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23:02 mtj ok, back to it peeps...
23:01 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
23:01 rangi rangi?
23:01 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!!
23:01 mtj mtj?
23:01 * mtj pours rangi a beer, hands jcamins some nutzzZ
22:59 rangi cos running it makes it easier to spot db errors
22:58 jcamins mtj: don't worry, I was feeling that about you too, so it's not all in your head. :P
22:58 mtj i was feeling a bit nutty back there :p
22:58 rangi handy tho
22:58 mtj ok, well im very happy i got to the bottom of that stupidness :/
22:56 mtj rangi: FIXED! :)
22:55 rangi ahhh
22:55 ronald rangi: I'm still at SICHE but moved to another division.
22:54 rangi try toggling that and see if that makes it go away
22:54 mtj jebus, good spotting!
22:54 mtj aaah, i bet i do tooo!
22:53 rangi it will die on error
22:53 rangi if you have debug
22:53 rangi i bet you have debug on
22:53 rangi $db_user, $db_passwd, {'RaiseError' => $ENV{DEBUG}?1:0 }) or die $DBI::errstr;
22:53 rangi yeah that might be it
22:53 mtj hmm, i have recently moved my dev mysql-server to a different xen... i wonder if thats causing the new weird updatedb behaviuor!?
22:52 rangi mtj: do you have dbh set to die on errors?
22:51 rangi and im back where i was
22:51 jcamins Nice!
22:51 jcamins Oh, wow.
22:51 rangi git checkout -
22:51 rangi then i type
22:51 mtj aah, yep - got it :)
22:51 rangi i look
22:51 rangi gets me a detached head checkout of the upstream master
22:51 rangi git checkout kc/master
22:51 rangi i want to check this thing of mason
22:51 rangi im working in hlt-packaging
22:50 rangi so use case
22:50 rangi checks out the branch you checked out before
22:50 rangi yeah without the ?
22:50 jcamins git checkout -?
22:49 mtj $DBversion = '3.07.00.008';
22:49 rangi try it
22:49 rangi is COOL AS HELL
22:49 rangi git checkout -
22:49 mtj yep
22:49 mtj yeah, thats seems to be whats happening, its dying just before the SetVersion gets set
22:49 jcamins 3.7.008?
22:49 rangi oh and
22:48 rangi lemme just eyeball the code
22:48 rangi yep if its throwing a full on perl error not just a dbh one, then the perl will be dying before i does the SetVersion
22:47 mtj ... and the updatedb.pl script gets to the end, and success , yay!
22:47 mtj wrapping the problem update block in an eval seems to stop the updatedb.pl from dying
22:46 rangi if there is a weird issue, mtj will find it .. guaranteed :)
22:45 mtj wow, even more weirdness with my updatedb problem
22:40 rangi ronald: you are not at SICHE anymore?
22:37 ronald Heya Mason :)
22:35 mtj heya ronald ( mason here)
22:34 ronald Hey hi rangi :D
22:31 rangi hi ronald :)
22:28 ronald Hi :)
22:16 mtj and yet... if i run the updatebase.pl script from the shell, the upgrade works
22:12 mtj i'm completely stump as to whats causing it
22:11 mtj i can replicate this bug every time, on my setup?!
22:10 mtj then the web-upgrade just keeps looping back to 'We are upgrading from Koha 3.07.00.007 to 3.07.00.041, you must update your database'
22:09 mtj Duplicate entry '545' for key 'PRIMARY' at /home/mason/git/head/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4614.
22:08 mtj actually the 3.6.4 db upgrade on master barfs on $DBversion = '3.07.00.008';
22:08 mbalmer heh, thanks! ;=
22:08 mtj mbalmer: yep, sure thing
22:05 mbalmer thanks.
22:05 mbalmer no backquotes.
22:05 mbalmer no.
22:04 mtj ALTER TABLE `suggestions` ADD `patronreason`
22:04 mtj ... only to have it fail and loop on update $DBversion = "3.07.00.004";
22:03 mtj 'We are upgrading from Koha 3.06.06.004 to 3.07.00.041', etc......
22:03 mtj ie: loaded a clean 3.6.4 db into a master repo, been prompted for an upgrade...
22:02 mtj and even weirder... ive tested the bug on a fresh 3.6.4 db
22:02 mtj yet, other folk dont seem to be experiencing the same problem
22:01 mtj and loop, as its doing now
22:00 mtj and, as you both stated, previously those errors caused a warning during the upgrade, but the upgrade didnt fail
21:59 mtj basically, any type of db error causes the upgrade to loop on that specific failed update step
21:58 mtj its really got me puzzled
21:58 mtj i have bumped into this behaviour on my dev koha, a few time in the last week
21:54 mtj its hung on this update -> 'We are upgrading from Koha 3.07.00.003 to 3.07.00.041'
21:53 wizzyrea yea, weird.
21:53 mtj which kinda indicates that that harmless error, is causing my upgrade to loop?
21:53 wizzyrea or a missing something?
21:53 wizzyrea is the number wrong on it?
21:52 mtj ... and, if i simply comment that 'patronreason' block from updatedatabase.pl, then the upgarde succeeds
21:51 wizzyrea hmm
21:51 mtj but this time it seems to be causing my upgrade to loop endlessly
21:50 wizzyrea that*
21:50 wizzyrea but of course you knew tht
21:50 wizzyrea :)
21:50 mtj yep... that error type is not usually a big deal...
21:50 wizzyrea mtj that one can be safely ignored.
21:49 jcamins Good night, #koha.
21:49 * jcamins goes to eat dinner.
21:49 jcamins mtj: ah. That's because it's something you already had. Ignore it.
21:49 mtj i get a 'db do failed: Duplicate column name 'patronreason' at ...' error
21:49 jcamins :)
21:49 jcamins Then updatedatabase will work and you'll have items again.
21:49 jcamins If so, change it to 30700032.
21:48 jcamins mtj: is your Version set to 30799032?
21:48 mtj has anyone else been having problems when upgrading their db on master, lately?
20:52 cait bye #koha
20:52 cait and time to sleep here
20:51 rangi bbl
20:51 wahanui rumour has it meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
20:51 rangi meeting time
20:47 mbalmer goog evening
20:47 rangi :)
20:46 wizzyrea you can just untick the box.
20:45 wizzyrea because again
20:45 wizzyrea but, not really
20:45 wizzyrea :P
20:45 wizzyrea that might be a worthy development.
20:45 wizzyrea now a "batch edit these account permissions tool"
20:44 wizzyrea :P
20:44 wizzyrea I'm not sure it needs a solution. we were just going to untick the box.
20:44 rangi nope
20:44 gmcharlt doesn't scale well, though
20:44 rangi or you could just not tick the box :)
20:44 wizzyrea i might be for that
20:43 rangi would mean only superlibrarians could set permissions
20:43 wizzyrea was "do we give our tech accounts set user permission ... permission"
20:43 rangi as a syspref
20:43 rangi maybe being able to disable the set user permissions
20:43 wizzyrea my dilemma, the thing that brought it up
20:43 rangi and go on a rampage
20:43 wizzyrea no I think it's ok
20:43 wizzyrea we can't have that
20:43 nengard LOL
20:43 rangi and then ill go insane
20:43 nengard yep
20:43 rangi and then every library will want different
20:42 rangi you have to pick exactly what permissions someone isnt allowed to set
20:42 rangi exactly
20:42 wizzyrea naw, because you can just tick all of the boxes
20:42 rangi like i said, they could just tick all the other permissions
20:42 rangi its not that easy
20:42 nengard i would agree with wizzy though that only super librarians can make other superlibrarians
20:42 rangi wizzyrea: so delete the user permissions permission?
20:41 nengard this is why i can't be a public servies librarian or a director :)
20:41 nengard rangi i'm on your side on this - but it's something that comes up a lot and i do say if you can't trust them fire them - but they don't like that answer
20:41 wizzyrea and give perms
20:41 wizzyrea I think it's ok to have to ask a superlibrarian to create an account.
20:41 rangi staff that are not trustworthy
20:40 nengard well not me ;) a library
20:40 rangi create a crazy unmantainable tech solution to a human problem
20:40 cait nengard: and I really don't think it's worth the trouble
20:40 cait nengard: I think then you are looking for a total rewirte of our permission system
20:40 nengard and that gets complicated
20:40 nengard cait i guess not - they would only be able to create more circ librarians
20:40 cait I think it's ok as it works now
20:40 rangi which exact permissions shouldnt someone be allowed
20:39 rangi oh wait .. same thing
20:39 cait yep
20:39 rangi except superlibrarian
20:39 rangi what if i go turn them all on
20:39 rangi so how many permissions can you change
20:39 cait nengard: so a circ librian who can't go into acq or serials could give that right to a new student user he/she created
20:39 rangi right
20:39 nengard right
20:39 wizzyrea only superlibrarians should be able to create superlibrarians
20:39 cait nengard: but that's even more complicated
20:39 wizzyrea right
20:38 cait and that ismostly what a superlibrairan is
20:38 nengard but we don't want them touching admin pages
20:38 cait is probably someone with all permissions
20:38 nengard for example a circ librarian might need to give students rights
20:38 cait I think someone who can give acq and other permissions
20:38 wizzyrea cool, that clears up my dilemma. :)
20:38 wizzyrea right
20:38 nengard LOL
20:38 cait hehe
20:38 gmcharlt no cape for you!
20:38 nengard and i said that's not how it works :)
20:38 rangi if they cant be trusted
20:38 rangi and i said, dont give them modify user permissions
20:37 rangi yeah nengard did
20:37 jcamins Maybe.
20:37 jcamins I think.
20:37 jcamins wizzyrea: no, someone reported that.
20:37 wizzyrea with "modify user permissions"
20:37 wizzyrea do we restrict non superlibrarians from creating superlibrarian accounts?
20:34 jcamins Okay, I'll give that a whirl, then.
20:33 gmcharlt jcamins: to that extent that it works equivalent during my initial testing
20:33 jcamins gmcharlt: did you fix XML-mode indexing with DOM?
20:31 jcamins maximep: good move. ;)
20:30 maximep jcamins: I just totally ignored your translation because I don't understand it :p
20:30 wizzyrea "been there a while" is a good enough explanation
20:30 wizzyrea no no, that's fine I just hadn't noticed it
20:30 jcamins wizzyrea: could be wrong, though.
20:30 jcamins wizzyrea: I think it's been there since at least 3.4.
20:30 jcamins Well, and people who studied the Middle Ages.
20:29 wizzyrea or was it there before and I just didn't notice it
20:29 wizzyrea is "set user permissions" permission new to koha 3.6?
20:29 jcamins Mine only made sense to devotees of the Name of the Rose.
20:29 jcamins maximep: your translation was correct.
20:28 maximep heh, missed that jcamins already translated =)
20:28 jcamins [off] If you love open source, you are made of wood.
20:28 rangi cool
20:28 maximep they chose koha and biblibre =)
20:27 rangi [off] heretics love open source
20:27 jcamins [off] Yes, I know that Albigeois != Albigensis, but what non-French speaker can resist?
20:27 jcamins [off] the heretical library has chosen Koha and given the project to BibLibre?
20:26 rangi maximep: https://twitter.com/#!/BibLibre/statuses/185001273228132354 <-- translation please :)
20:26 jcamins What about 1564-1616?
20:26 sekjal time for me to go. have a good night, #koha!
20:26 jcamins It does, cool.
20:25 jcamins Ooh, what about "1986" as a key word?
20:25 * jcamins thinks he might be the only person who finds that charming.
20:23 jcamins Hehe. This search works with DOM indexing: au:3495.
20:22 rangi cya oleonard
20:22 wizzyrea bye
20:22 oleonard Bye #koha
20:21 maximep haha
20:21 wizzyrea the shark
20:21 wizzyrea you jump
20:21 wizzyrea or
20:20 wizzyrea :)
20:20 wizzyrea j/k, that was funny
20:20 rangi heh
20:20 jcamins lol
20:20 wizzyrea ------------------- < theline
20:20 wizzyrea you
20:20 maximep that would be cool
20:20 maximep well the book's title could be the isbn of another book
20:19 wizzyrea that's awesome.
20:19 jcamins gmcharlt: does that comment make sense?
20:19 wizzyrea rofl.
20:19 jcamins Oh. That's pretty good, too.
20:19 rangi 'The And A'
20:18 jcamins wizzyrea: I think that was a space.
20:18 wizzyrea ?
20:18 wizzyrea "I'm kind of awesome, in a catalog-crushing kind of way"
20:18 rangi my autobiography is going to be
20:17 jcamins That's kind of awesome, in a catalog-crushing way.
20:17 gmcharlt jes' saying
20:17 jcamins lol
20:16 gmcharlt 11/22/63 is *not* a nice thing to name a book
20:16 gmcharlt as well as shake their heads at authors like Stephen King
20:16 * jcamins ponders what an interface to relevancy ranking would look like.
20:16 gmcharlt IMO, it's also something that libraries have to be prepared to tweak on an ongoing basis
20:16 jcamins This is why it should be user-configurable.
20:15 jcamins cait: I suspect they've come to the conclusion that they don't agree on anything. ;)
20:15 cait and probably differnet for different collections
20:15 gmcharlt there are lots of examples of what people want in specific cases, of course
20:15 cait it's hard
20:15 cait thought so
20:15 gmcharlt cait: in the global sense? not really
20:14 cait gmcharlt: have people come up with a definition how it hsould work?
20:14 gmcharlt cait: indeed
20:14 cait gmcharlt: hm I think I saw relevancy ranking discussed on the evergreen mailing list
20:13 jcamins sekjal: that's one of the things I'd want to know.
20:13 sekjal hmmm, can you define your relevancy algorithm in Solr? I bet you can
20:12 * jcamins sings songs from Fiddler on the Roof.
20:12 cait hm pretend
20:12 jcamins sekjal: yes, that's what I'd like.
20:12 sekjal but provide that order by default, since it will probably work best for the most folks
20:12 cait or finally kill them and don't prevent it works
20:11 cait I am all for fixing features we advertise that don't actually work
20:11 sekjal jcamins: absolutely yes
20:11 jcamins sekjal: even better, let the user decide the order for those.
20:11 gmcharlt as should adjacency
20:11 sekjal 'starts-with' would get slightly less, but also pretty high, ranking
20:11 jcamins sekjal: right.
20:11 jcamins Actually the whole "I could fix it" was only tangentially related.
20:11 sekjal jcamins: exact title would get really, really high relevancy. so would exact author or exact subject
20:10 jcamins gmcharlt: yup.
20:10 gmcharlt just to double-check, you'll be updating 7818 with your findings re relvance and DOM?
20:10 jcamins gmcharlt: yup.
20:09 gmcharlt a relatively easy thing to start would be to make the query expression for "relevance searching" a syspref
20:09 jcamins If relevancy was better, it's because the database was smaller.
20:09 jcamins sekjal: that's a start, but you still wouldn't find "It."
20:09 rangi exactly
20:08 jcamins rangi: yeah... this relevancy stuff has been unchanged for half a decade.
20:08 sekjal so, perhaps 'keyword' and 'full record'
20:08 sekjal two levels of keyword: keyword in important fields, and keywords in 'junk' fields
20:07 * wizzyrea wants to see popularity fixed
20:07 rangi same code
20:07 rangi it wasnt
20:06 jcamins Brooke says relevancy ranking was better in 3.0, but I don't see how.
20:06 sekjal rangi: thanks, it seemed relevant to the thread :)
20:04 rangi oleonard: not really no
20:04 jcamins And we could make r3 not-broken.
20:04 rangi yes it would
20:04 jcamins Even just allowing someone to choose an order for commonly-ranked indexes would be nice.
20:04 oleonard Did we have specific module-maintainers last time around?
20:04 rangi sekjal: nice whakatauki on your email :)
20:03 * wizzyrea would love that too
20:03 jcamins rangi: Yeah, it should be user-configurable.
20:02 rangi i have librarians who would love that!
20:02 rangi oh?
20:02 jcamins I could fix relevancy.
20:02 jcamins Hey...
20:01 rangi yay!
20:01 aarkerio ok, I will!!
20:01 rangi aarkerio: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Kohacon2013 :)
19:58 jcamins Relevancy.
19:57 cait r3?
19:57 rangi aarkerio: you just need to suggest it :)
19:57 jcamins rangi: yep.
19:57 jcamins gmcharlt: then maybe we should've used Title-color!
19:57 rangi it was alaquerre in quebec i bet
19:57 cait oleonard++
19:56 gmcharlt jcamins: but I want that red book! ;)
19:56 jcamins I'm the only person who has ever been annoyed with CCL?
19:56 jcamins That's it?
19:56 huginn jcamins: Karma for "ccl" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
19:56 jcamins @karma ccl
19:56 jcamins ccl--
19:56 jcamins Which is wrong when you have "two keywords"
19:56 jcamins Which translates into ti,wrdl,r3:keyword
19:56 aarkerio rangi: would be cool!
19:55 jcamins It's ti,phr,r3:keyword.
19:55 rangi aarkerio: ok then .. kohacon13 in mexico city? :-)
19:55 rangi ahhhh thats right i remember now
19:55 jcamins Hey, fun fact... did anyone ever notice before that r3 doesn't do what we want it to?
19:54 aarkerio nope, Mexico City!!
19:54 rangi aarkerio: you are in quebec?
19:53 wizzyrea oooh
19:52 aarkerio ok, I think I get it now, thanks pals!
19:51 rangi http://www.toolness.com/wp/2012/03/coffee-machines-and-community/
19:51 cait we don't use them
19:51 cait i am not sure totally sure how they work actually
19:51 cait contracts don#t do much I think
19:51 cait no
19:49 aarkerio ok, so contracts and basket are not related?
19:48 jcamins aarkerio++ # for using "id est"
19:47 cait but one order line can be a lot of books - if oyu order more than one for a title
19:47 cait yes
19:47 aarkerio order lines are the physicall materials? id est, the books?
19:44 cait and then add order lines to the basket
19:44 cait and then create a basket for the vendor
19:44 cait you create a vendor
19:44 cait you don't need a contract
19:44 cait baskets are orders
19:43 jcamins lol
19:43 aarkerio hi! I am trying to set up an Acquisition Order for first time but I am no getting the process: need a contract in order to add a basket? BTW, what is the basket "definition"?
19:43 rangi [off] id be insider trading if i took that bet
19:41 jcamins [off] Do I have any bets on who came up with that?
19:41 jcamins Other than, say, "Title-color," which refers to the color of the text.
19:40 jcamins BTW, Title-cover is the stupidest index for 245$a ever.
19:39 rangi alaquerre: http://koha-community.org/about/release-schedule/ <-- is good too
19:39 jcamins We have a pound of delicious dark chocolate.
19:39 jcamins Ooh.
19:39 jcamins I need chocolate.
19:39 wizzyrea :P
19:39 jcamins Chocolate. Yes.
19:38 wizzyrea also, reboot.
19:38 wizzyrea try chocolate.
19:38 * wizzyrea agrees
19:38 cait oleonard: try chocolate?
19:38 alaquerre Thanks wizzerea!
19:38 wizzyrea alaquerre: that link was for you
19:38 alaquerre I am trying to straight everything up now.
19:38 * oleonard is looking for this VM's face so he can punch it
19:38 jcamins gmcharlt: actually, my suggestion is problematic.
19:38 alaquerre Not yet... too much patch right now. We did a big migration last year and we need to act fast because we were in production with tons of problems.
19:37 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
19:37 oleonard alaquerre: You might also get volunteers for rebasing patches if people know they want the feature
19:37 oleonard alaquerre: There should be. That gives everyone knowledge about what you're working on and prevents duplication of efforts
19:36 oleonard alaquerre: Are there bug reports for the contributions you plan to make?
19:36 alaquerre Again thanks for all answers you should see stuff comming out from us (CCSR/Libeo) pretty soon.
19:36 rangi so thats good
19:35 rangi ahh they know how to rebase on master too, they have been doing that
19:35 alaquerre I have "political" rules here and I need to take couple of month before releasing stuff. ( our programmers are people from libeo and they do use git)
19:35 jcamins (P.S. You might want a stiff drink before reading the suggestion)
19:35 jcamins I'll post it on the bug.
19:35 jcamins Wait, yes I do.
19:34 jcamins gmcharlt: sadly, I don't have a solution to the relevancy ranking issue.
19:34 oleonard alaquerre: And I hope your programmer is using git!
19:34 rangi alaquerre: commit soon commmit often :-)
19:34 rangi alaquerre: thats the salient point
19:33 jcamins (because probably that'd actually look more like "write the code for 3.6," "rewrite the code for 3.8," "rewrite the code for 3.10," "finally be able to provide a patch against master, to go into 3.12(!)"
19:33 alaquerre I am not the programmer here that's why I need a bit of presision :-) but I understand the flow know. Bottom line : Dont wait too much or i'll have hard time coming back.
19:33 cait and wait a little longer
19:33 wizzyrea ^^^^
19:33 cait less painful to develop for master from the beginning
19:33 jcamins Going in the other direction, developing first for 3.6, then 3.8, then master, is almost guaranteed to be too painful for you to complete.
19:32 jcamins And from there, it'll be easier to take the patch you submitted, and put it onto 3.8 when you upgrade.
19:32 * wizzyrea has seen people get hung up on version numbers before.
19:32 wizzyrea always develop on master. Once 3.8 is released (it's 3.7 right now), you'll develop on 3.9
19:32 jcamins alaquerre: then, if they're well-written and won't break anything, they'll make it into 3.10. If they're for fixing bugs, they'll also make it into 3.8.
19:31 wizzyrea yes, don't confuse the two
19:31 jcamins alaquerre: you need to port your patches to master, not 3.8.
19:31 alaquerre The problem I am facing right now is that I dont have time/ressource to put those patch out. You guy will be on 3.8 but we will still be on 3.6. So to send out our changes, we will need to port them on 3.8 even if we wont be on 3.8. I'm sure everyone is facing this at least once...Now my turn .. :-)
19:30 jcamins You're on Windows, right? :P
19:30 jcamins oleonard: I was thinking maybe you had the old VM running prior to this one, and you ended up with this one in swap or something.
19:29 oleonard I didn't think I gave it less RAM than before, but I could be wrong
19:29 * oleonard can't think what he might have done differently this time
19:29 jcamins oleonard: lack of RAM?
19:29 oleonard anyone have any ideas why connections to my VM (running locally on my machine) would be so slow?
19:27 rangi makes upgrading way less of a nightmare :)
19:27 rangi cool
19:27 jcamins If you do your development on 3.4.x, or even 3.6.x, it'll probably be a dead end.
19:26 alaquerre Understand now...
19:26 wizzyrea "always develop on master"
19:26 rangi it goes the other way
19:26 wizzyrea ^^
19:26 rangi but there should never ever be a patch in 3.4.x that isnt in master
19:26 alaquerre ok got it.
19:26 jcamins alaquerre: most likely that will not happen.
19:26 wizzyrea but to guarantee it you'd have to port it forward
19:26 rangi that might happen
19:26 rangi nope
19:25 alaquerre So if I understand correctly, what's happening right now is if a patch in 3.4.8. The patch is interresting, someone from the community will take it and make it work on 3.8
19:25 jcamins Or, rather, it should, but it shouldn't be treated as r3.
19:25 jcamins That's getting included in the Title index, and it shouldn't.
19:25 huginn slef: Statement of responsibility, etc.
19:25 slef @marc 245 c
19:24 jcamins It's 245$c.
19:24 jcamins gmcharlt: figured it out.
19:24 * slef fills wahanui with cherry-picks
19:23 slef cherry-pick is different to cherry coke
19:23 rangi just before the release of 3.8.0 paul will branch 3.8.x and master will keep on going, but always base them on master
19:23 alaquerre ok.
19:23 wizzyrea except substitute "master" for 3.8
19:22 wizzyrea so, the answer to your question is "yes"
19:22 rangi if they are suitable
19:22 rangi and the release maintainers can cherry-pick them back into 3.6.x or 3.8.x
19:22 rangi if you want them in koha, you should always base your patches off master
19:22 cait or it already is in freeze actually
19:21 cait but 3.8 is near feature freeze
19:21 cait alaquerre: I am not sure I understand your question
19:21 alaquerre Hi everyone. Technical question. Linked with the new release of Koha 3.8. We have some patchs we would like to submit but they are not ready yet. Question : When we will release them do we need to re-write them in 3.8 even if we are still using 3.6.X ?
19:19 rangi back
19:18 wizzyrea mtj, that's quite funny
19:17 wizzyrea lol.
19:17 wahanui the koha community is an amazing thing
19:17 slef wahanui: the koha community?
19:17 wizzyrea oleonard++
19:17 jcamins gmcharlt: I'm still trying to track down exactly what the problem is.
19:17 wahanui LLEK is being released just as soon as RDA is ready
19:17 mtj LLEK?
19:17 wahanui :) is ok
19:17 slef :)?
19:17 wahanui slef: huh?
19:17 slef wahanui: :)
19:17 wahanui rumour has it fines on return is a local modification
19:17 slef fines on return?
19:16 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
19:16 cait germs?
19:15 cait slef: and that's not easy
19:15 cait slef: you get worse than robin
19:15 gmcharlt jcamins: ok, let me know the details -- if you can send me your bibset, that will also lallow for direct comparison
19:15 cait lol
19:15 wahanui slef: i'm not following you...
19:15 slef wahanui: !stats
19:14 wahanui kf's next chapter is about changing the background color of the header - but it's ok :) I will figure it out
19:14 slef wahanui: kf's next chapter?
19:14 jcamins gmcharlt: there are some issues with relevance ranking.
19:13 wahanui the cat is http://www.nyan.cat/
19:13 slef wahanui: the cat?
19:13 wahanui hmmm... progress is good
19:13 slef wahanui: progress?
19:13 wahanui the vm host is now overcommitted
19:13 slef wahanui: the VM host?
19:13 jcamins Yay!
19:13 jcamins Ah.
19:13 rangi my stop back soon
19:12 cait rofl
19:12 wahanui thanks slef :)
19:12 slef wahanui: have a poisoned botsnack
19:12 cait slef!
19:12 cait check wiki :)
19:12 slef oleonard: yeah, wahanui doesn't know I've been poisoning it
19:12 jcamins What are we giving him karma for?
19:12 jcamins sekjal++
19:11 cait sekjal++
19:09 * jcamins consults the configuration files to see which option is doing what it's supposed to.
19:08 rangi sekjal++
19:08 jcamins Huh.
19:08 jcamins *?
19:08 jcamins gmcharlt: really
19:08 gmcharlt jcamins: no, I left them alone
19:08 jcamins (not saying the new weightings are a problem, just wondering)
19:07 jcamins gmcharlt: did you adjust the CCL weightings as part of your patch?
19:06 rangi Heh
19:06 oleonard This must be what my VM is running on: http://hackaday.com/2012/03/28/building-the-worst-linux-pc-ever/
19:02 cait lol
19:01 gmcharlt must have been a very *good* botsnack
18:57 oleonard Whoa, slef did wahanui just hit on you?
18:57 jcamins Remember, I only moved two days ago.
18:57 jcamins Gotcha.
18:57 jcamins Oh, you meant refspec. I thought you meant "reference specification." ;)
18:57 bag got it thanks
18:56 bag right isn't that in a branch ?
18:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
18:56 jcamins bag: bug 7818?
18:56 bag whoops jcamins
18:56 bag what's the ref spec again jcaimins?
18:54 wahanui I like *your* figure
18:54 slef wahanui: figures
18:54 wahanui slef: i haven't a clue
18:54 slef wahanui: are you insane?
18:53 wahanui a state of mind is a beautiful thing to waste OH YEAH YEAH
18:53 slef wahanui: a state of mind?
18:53 bag haven't pulled yet… actually I'll do it now.. let's see
18:52 * jcamins has finally gotten it up and running.
18:52 jcamins bag: how's your testing of the DOM indexing going?
18:52 cait morning rangi
18:52 wahanui it has been said that morning is a state of mind.
18:52 jcamins Morning.
18:51 wizzyrea mornin
18:51 rangi Morning
18:50 bag heh
18:49 * oleonard never gets it right the first time
18:49 oleonard Oh probably not
18:48 jcamins oleonard: is Zebra running?
18:48 oleonard "Records exported: 5496" ...so where are my search results?
18:47 * oleonard sings "Imagine there's no items..."
18:47 jcamins oleonard: item-less.
18:46 jcamins Yay! I have items again!
18:46 oleonard jcamins: How did you get back from the future and how was it?
18:46 jcamins Okay.
18:46 sekjal instead of 3.07.00.032
18:46 sekjal jcamins: ah, right, there were a couple days where a DB update set it to 3.07.99.032
18:45 jcamins Version = 3.0799032
18:45 jcamins Okay, that's weird.
18:45 cait and run from there again
18:44 cait I remember that we did that
18:44 cait perhaps if you go back to 35
18:44 jcamins I'll run updatedatabase manually.
18:44 jcamins Like, was it a syspref-y thing?
18:44 cait oleonard: wasn't it something with updatedatabase gone wrong?
18:44 cait oleonard: me neither :(
18:43 jcamins oleonard: any hints where I might look?
18:43 oleonard I was testing something that made my items disappear from the detail view, but I can't remember what it was...
18:42 jcamins lol
18:42 wahanui you are an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or against all things wine.
18:42 jcamins Me?
18:42 gmcharlt *sigh*
18:42 gmcharlt do you have a question in to B&T?
18:42 jcamins oleonard: did all your items disappear during the hackfest? How did you get them back?
18:42 jcamins cait: no, it happens even when I'm on master using GRS-1.
18:41 cait I am not sure what it was
18:41 cait owen had a problem like this during the hackfest I think
18:41 gmcharlt presumably not because the ebook revolution has overtaken us
18:41 wahanui somebody said indexing was done by Zebra.
18:41 cait indexing?
18:41 cait does it work without the dom?
18:41 cait might be a bug?
18:41 cait hmmm
18:41 jcamins Not even on master.
18:41 jcamins Not in detail view either.
18:41 cait hmm
18:40 jcamins No, they don't show up anywhere.
18:40 cait so only missing form the index somehow?
18:40 cait that's good
18:40 cait oh
18:40 cait I mean from search
18:40 jcamins cait: no, there are 50k records in the items table.
18:40 cait um
18:40 cait or from marcxml too?
18:40 jcamins I will.
18:40 cait jcamins: empty items table?
18:39 cait jcamins: pat myshkin from me please?
18:38 jcamins Has anyone had this problem before recently?
18:38 gmcharlt wow
18:37 jcamins They show up in the database, but not in Koha.
18:37 jcamins They're just gone.
18:36 jcamins Not due to Zebra.
18:36 jcamins The items are all missing.
18:36 jcamins So, I have a bit of an issue...
18:35 jcamins Oh boy.
18:35 jcamins oleonard:oleonard
18:35 oleonard If not, what should the ownership of koha-dev be?
18:35 jcamins Not.
18:35 oleonard For a dev install is it recommended or not to run zebra under its own user?
18:34 jcamins No.
18:34 jcamins Wait.
18:34 jcamins Working now.
18:34 jcamins Okay, there was the problem.
18:33 jcamins I'll try killing Zebra and restarting.
18:33 gmcharlt jcamins: could you point yaz-client at it?
18:33 jcamins Hm. That clearly worked.
18:32 gmcharlt jcamins: ok, so I'm not losing my mind (yet) - http://galen.esilibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=a
18:28 pastebot "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "gmcharlt: bib configuration" (79 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/327
18:26 gmcharlt jcamins: hmm - let me see your koha-conf.xml again
18:22 jcamins http://screencast.com/t/6ksqSIB6X
18:21 jcamins Taking a screencap now.
18:21 jcamins Don't suppose that's familiar at all?
18:21 jcamins Like... nothing displays at all.
18:21 jcamins gmcharlt: still some issues on display.
18:20 oleonard Sounds scary
18:20 jcamins nengard ran into it.
18:20 jcamins It was a 32-bit/64-bit incompatibility thing to do with using the wrong kind of kernel.
18:20 jcamins oleonard: yes.
18:19 oleonard jcamins: Some kind of Mac-specific performance issue you know of?
18:19 jcamins gmcharlt: not quite yet. It looks like a hurricane.
18:19 gmcharlt jcamins: we can haz new pics?
18:19 jcamins oleonard: then I don't know.
18:19 oleonard I'm on my PC at work
18:18 jcamins oleonard: do you have a Mac?
18:18 jcamins_away My cat has returned!
18:13 oleonard (really no idea how I managed to do that)
18:13 oleonard It's Virtualbox running on my machine, but it's a new VM because I somehow nuked my old one
18:12 gmcharlt also, to add to my first comment - ?
18:12 * gmcharlt finds straws, grasps
18:12 oleonard ah, dishes and laundry. That's why no one ever sees me during my evenings ;)
18:12 gmcharlt oleonard: the VM host is now overcommitted
18:08 cait I am only trying to avoid taking care of dishes and laundry right now
18:08 oleonard It's all the same as far as I know
18:08 cait don't listen to me
18:07 cait slower virtual hardware?
18:07 cait hm
18:07 * oleonard wonders why everything is running so slow off of this new VM
18:04 oleonard It's a start.
18:03 cait oleonard++
18:03 cait a new blog post!
18:03 cait oooh
18:01 cait hm only a short note about menu
17:57 oleonard-away Progress is good
17:56 cait that's good, right?
17:56 cait oh
17:54 oleonard-away New jQueryUI 1.9 milestone (7 months after the last one!) http://blog.jqueryui.com/2012/03/jquery-ui-1-9-milestone-7-accordion/
17:46 nengard user configurable slips documentation question - if you set up overdue notices at each branch will they all show on the notice triggers? or will only the notices for your branch show?
17:23 sekjal hi, cait!
17:23 cait hi sekjal :)
17:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Adds staticfines.pl for static fines processing
17:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items
17:19 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 6858 follow-up indenting with spaces
17:19 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 6858: Adds staticfines.pl for static fines processing
17:19 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6199 - allow bulkmarkimport.pl to remove duplicate barcodes
17:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #686: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/686/
17:18 wahanui gmcharlt: i don't know
17:18 gmcharlt wahanui: tuna?
17:17 * sekjal wishes wahanui would do feline interior monologues
17:02 wahanui myshkin is more than articulate enough without me performing his interior monologue.
17:02 cait myshkin!!
17:01 jcamins Back later.
17:01 jcamins Okay, now the cat is here.
17:01 gmcharlt jcamins: saw that too; though at moment just appears to be noise
17:00 jcamins It doesn't say what type.
17:00 jcamins Hm. Got an unknown register type error.
16:58 jcamins (looks like I have a few more minutes)
16:57 jcamins Didn't look at it.
16:57 jcamins Ah.
16:56 oleonard Doesn't look like the feature attempts to build a full URL, so presumably all share options are broken
16:56 oleonard jcamins: new SocialNetworks pref
16:56 jcamins Share via e-mail?
16:55 oleonard OPAC URLs broken in the new share via email feature.
16:53 cait just got home, now dinner and house chores... and dom indexing later
16:52 cait ;)
16:52 cait :(
16:52 cait now I missed all the testing?
16:51 gmcharlt jcamins: the cat is welcome to test too! ;)
16:51 jcamins Okay, my father should be arriving with my cat shortly, so I will report back later.
16:48 gmcharlt jcamins: ok, I've pushed a fix - please pull and try again
16:44 gmcharlt one sec
16:44 gmcharlt evidently
16:43 jcamins Missing a commit, maybe?
16:43 jcamins It's not in kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml either.
16:42 jcamins That line is still missing.
16:39 jcamins I always forget to clear out blib.
16:39 jcamins Running make now.
16:38 gmcharlt if it still doesn't work, I'll be curious to see what your blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml looks like
16:37 jcamins Yeah, I bet that's what the problem was.
16:37 gmcharlt jcamins: rm -Rf blib, perhaps
16:37 jcamins I'll try again.
16:36 jcamins It's possible there were stale files in the koha-dev, though.
16:36 jcamins New koha-dev, copy of an existing SQL database.
16:35 gmcharlt so to clarify, are you installing a new DB or working in an existing one?
16:35 gmcharlt ah, well it is, if you're installing from scratch
16:34 jcamins We should make it so that update_zebra_conf is run as part of the make install step.
16:34 jcamins I just ran perl Makefile.PL && make && make install
16:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6858 follow-up indenting with spaces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfa444d583e93b880ee4eaa4311524de2c24b963> / Bug 6858: Adds staticfines.pl for static fines processing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15c8a453fc938410c66e3c0074f55da22395c560> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6199' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitd
16:33 jcamins Oh, I didn't realize that.
16:33 gmcharlt that is, of course, if you're using an existing database
16:33 gmcharlt make update_zebra_conf
16:33 gmcharlt make test
16:33 gmcharlt make
16:33 gmcharlt so something like perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log foo
16:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #686 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:32 gmcharlt jcamins: right, it can't just be dropped in unmodified
16:31 jcamins Hmmm... I think I just used the default koha-conf.xml.
16:30 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 65.15.86.218 pasted "jcamins: looks like you're missing the include of retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/326
16:21 pastebot "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "gmcharlt: my koha-conf.xml" (181 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/325
16:16 oleonard Thanks paul_p
16:16 gmcharlt could you paste your koha-conf.xml ?
16:16 gmcharlt jcamins: yes, I do
16:16 paul_p pushed some patches today, but now i'm tired. leaving, see you tomorrow morning for more QA & push...
16:15 jcamins I mean, I have lots of results, but they're all blank.
16:14 jcamins gmcharlt: you get search results when DOM indexing is enabled, yes?
16:14 jcamins Well, this might be an issue.
16:13 jcamins Wrong...
16:12 jcamins Hmmm... Zebra appears to be running...
16:10 wizzyrea hope he's ok :/
16:09 wizzyrea double the time, actually
16:09 wizzyrea and hasn't been there for even longer than he's been missing from #koha
16:09 jcamins It's not that important.
16:09 wizzyrea (it's on freenode)
16:09 wizzyrea hm, not there either.
16:08 jcamins Ah, good idea.
16:08 wizzyrea try #evergreen maybe?
16:08 jcamins That's why I was glancing around for rhcl. :)
16:08 * jcamins either.
16:07 wizzyrea maybe, I don't know much about it.
16:07 jcamins Looks to be a bit larger than just MO?
16:06 wizzyrea about the missouri thing?
16:06 jcamins Not about RHCL specifically.
16:06 wizzyrea !
16:06 jcamins Yeah, I know. I just got an e-mail about it.
16:04 sekjal :)
16:04 wizzyrea jinx :P
16:04 wizzyrea I suspect his system may be going to evergreen in a MO state consortium.
16:04 sekjal I believe he's been working a lot with Evergreen recently
16:03 oleonard Long time ago.
16:03 huginn oleonard: rhcl was last seen in #koha 9 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 22 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <rhcl> I guess I'm not very territorial, and don't see a problem with occasional collaboration or comparison between projects.
16:03 oleonard @seen rhcl
16:01 jcamins Hm. rhcl isn't around, is he?
15:48 ago43 thanks, jcamins. I'll check that.
15:46 jcamins ago43: not off the top of my head, but the matching rule used by WashU worked.
15:46 ago43 Hi, I'm looking into a possible bug regarding Record Matching Rules and OCLC Numbers. Does anyone have a working Matching Rule for OCLC using 035?
15:44 Joubu goodbye
15:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , reports/ remove all exit(1) for plack
15:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7823 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , "New" should be "New patron"
15:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7695 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Boolean operator AND in XSLT gets translated
15:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7837 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , nb-NO z3950servers.sql misses column names
15:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7727 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , NORMARC XSLT OPAC detail view shows double tabs
15:35 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7829 - reports/ remove all exit(1) for plack
15:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7823: [SIGNED-OFF] Ergonomy improvements: Rename button to "New patron"
15:35 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7695 - Change boolean operator from "and" to "AND"
15:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5354 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Partial duplication of a subscription
15:35 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7837 - nb-NO z3950servers.sql misses column names
15:35 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7727 - NORMARC XSLT OPAC detail view shows double tabs
15:35 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 5354 follow-up : dealing with a wrong regexp
15:35 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 5354 follow-up DBRev number
15:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7786 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Adding More Lists to the Add-to combo of staff search results
15:35 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5354: Followup. Change separator
15:35 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5354: Partial duplication of a subscription
15:35 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7786 Adding More Lists-option to the Add-to combo of staff search results
15:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #685: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/685/
15:21 slef they know everything as long as they have time to look it up
15:20 slef sounds like a professor
15:20 kf hey, I am a librarian - I only have to know where to look it up!
15:20 jcamins lol
15:20 kf I would need less tiem, but only when I can access my dokuwiki :P
15:20 kf hm
15:19 jcamins kf: it took me almost a half hour to remember how to set up a git remote.
15:19 gmcharlt wrong window
15:19 gmcharlt not yet - I'll squeeze it in today
15:19 jcamins kf: with the speed my brain is working today, I'll be lucky if I've managed to figure out how to set it up by then.
15:19 kf jcamins: means you have to help me set up my test environment later :P
15:18 kf jcamins: you start without me!
15:18 gmcharlt jcamins: sock it to me
15:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
15:18 jcamins Hrm. I'm having some issues getting my brain to work on the whole "testing bug 7818" thing.
15:17 reiveune bye
15:12 wizzyrea no, actually that's right, but the status isn't "needs signoff" weird.
15:12 slef wizzyrea: that happens to me often!
15:09 wizzyrea hm that's not what I intended
15:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7090] Add "AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout" syspref to allow issue to the patron regardless of hold status <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7090>
14:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7829 - reports/ remove all exit(1) for plack <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95bf6fb012609f9e8a757759e6bf78b7a295b6e7> / Bug 7823: [SIGNED-OFF] Ergonomy improvements: Rename button to "New patron" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8136a31f543a2bf6204f8164fe3a0a04a24bc471> / Bug 7695 - Change boolean operator from "and" to "AND" <http://git.koha-community.or
14:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #685 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
14:48 jcamins Okay, just wondering if I was nuts. ;)
14:46 oleonard I agree
14:45 jcamins I feel like it's more detrimental to have users randomly ending up at a screen that they can't get to otherwise, than it would be to have an "Advanced search" link.
14:44 oleonard I don't believe users need to have advanced options hidden from them if the simple options are emphasized
14:44 jcamins oleonard: does "simplifying" the OPAC by hiding the advanced search link make sense to you?
14:36 jcamins never mind.
14:36 jcamins Morthland: I don't think hiding the advanced search button is going to simplify...
14:36 Morthland Thanks a lot!
14:36 jcamins clrh: that might be a good idea, yeah. Others would know much more about it than me.
14:35 hdl clrh: could do.
14:34 clrh hm berk - "does it make sense"
14:34 clrh hdl jcamins so did it do sense to just begin a new koha-devel discussion on this archi: 2 diffrents servers one mysql and one koha, just to know more about this?
14:32 Morthland We are just trying to simplify the interface as much as possible
14:32 Morthland ?
14:32 Morthland just match the colors
14:32 oleonard Morthland: You can turn off the tags link by turning off the "TagsEnabled" system preference
14:32 Morthland Should I do it in CSS?
14:32 oleonard Morthland: I don't recommend editing the templates since that creates problems during upgrade
14:32 hdl even on a much more powerful system, you have to tune mysql so that it manages much more connections. and initiate tcp connexions very fast.
14:31 Morthland ?
14:31 Morthland just comment it out
14:31 Morthland you mean,
14:31 Morthland So,
14:31 oleonard Morthland: You could hide the link, but I don't think you could prevent users from accidentally finding the page (without custom Apache configuration or something)
14:30 jcamins I had the MySQL server on a much more powerful system.
14:30 jcamins Oh, I bet I know what it was!
14:30 hdl unless you have some magic.
14:30 jcamins hdl: hmm.
14:30 hdl But on two different physical machines, it just cut performances by 0.6
14:29 Morthland yes
14:29 oleonard Morthland: You want to turn off advanced search?
14:29 hdl well. On two differnent vms, same physical server, improvement can come.
14:28 jcamins hdl: even with VMs, though, I found it was an improvement.
14:28 jcamins hdl: two different ones.
14:28 Morthland How can I turn off tag-clouds and advanced search
14:26 hdl jcamins: on the same physical machine or two different ones ?
14:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
14:25 jcamins Time to test bug 7818!
14:22 jcamins That's very odd, and I have no idea what it could be.
14:22 jcamins Hm.
14:22 clrh same configuration in both cases
14:21 jcamins clrh: could it be that the MySQL configuration on the new server is different?
14:20 clrh huge speed Oo ?
14:20 jcamins clrh: that's odd. My experience was that there was a huge speed-up when the MySQL server was moved to a separate system.
14:18 clrh I am investigating a koha/mysql architecture performance problem: if I put mysql on koha source server, an opac-search take 2 times less than if I separate mysql server and koha sources - do you know thinks about this? did you work or remember works from others?
14:13 kf but don't you feel inspired and motivated to do all those things at the same time?
14:13 kf but I know the problem
14:13 kf I dunno
14:11 oleonard How did I manage to spend a week working on nothing but Koha and come back with more work than ever? :)
14:11 kf yep :)
14:10 oleonard Oh you mean a follow-up describing how to use the new CSS features for customization?
14:10 kf oleonard: my next chapter is about changing the background color of the header - but it's ok :) I will figure it out
14:10 kf oleonard: and the wiki page :)
14:09 oleonard kf: ?
14:09 * oleonard has two or three half-finished posts, not to mention my imaginary hackfest-wrapup
14:09 kf oleonard: you don't happen to have a followup for the new css gradient in the header? :)
14:09 kf oleonard: I am writing instructions about how to customize the opac and it's a great help
14:09 oleonard Sorely neglected :(
14:09 kf oleonard++ for his great blog
14:07 wizzyrea and hello everybody
14:07 jcamins Hi kf. :)
14:07 wizzyrea hi kf :)
14:07 kf hi wizzyrea :)
14:07 kf hi jcamins :)
14:07 * kf waves
14:06 jcamins Hi there, wizzyrea.
14:05 * wizzyrea waves, too
14:05 wizzyrea /me waves
14:02 jcamins Koha doesn't do anything with that, though.
14:02 jcamins magnuse: 008/33
14:00 * jcamins_away is here.
13:58 paul_p gmcharlt => any news about our problem to push into http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=contrib/global.git;a=summary ?
13:58 paul_p gmcharlt are you about ?
13:40 slef probably won't be displayed directly, might be used elsewhere (zebra or icons or so on) as I think I've found 008 in bibliographic records being used that way
13:19 magnuse well, i couldn't see it when i searched for an authority, at least
13:18 slef magnuse: see wahanui's links for a field list. Not sure if 008/33 is displayed.
13:17 magnuse slef: yup
13:17 wahanui hmmm... marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html
13:17 slef magnuse: marc21?
13:17 huginn slef: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. []
13:17 slef @marc 008
13:01 magnuse that's my guess, but i will check with them
13:01 gmcharlt or does it just display somewhere but not affect indexing?
13:01 magnuse nope, i'm gonna ask them!
13:01 gmcharlt magnuse: did your contact say if candidate authorities behave differently in their current ILS?
13:00 kf gmcharlt++ :)
13:00 magnuse gah, where's jcamins_away when you need him ;-)
12:59 huginn kf: unknown field/subfield combination (008/33)
12:59 kf @marc 008 33
12:59 gmcharlt in principle Koha could use that to treat provisional and preliminary authorites as special
12:59 magnuse yeah, i just saw that, but i guess that info is not displayed anywhere useful?
12:59 gmcharlt magnuse: MARC21 defines the 008/33 as level of establishment
12:58 magnuse thanks kf, gmcharlt
12:58 kf hope to get a look at dom indexing tonight
12:58 kf hi gmcharlt :)
12:58 kf magnuse: perhaps they coudl use an 9xx field - and jcamins will know
12:58 gmcharlt magnuse: agree with kf
12:58 kf magnuse: I don't think it is
12:57 magnuse i have a library asking about authorities - in their current system they can mark authorities as "candidate", "authorized" etc - is that possible in koha?
12:54 nengard heh
12:53 jwagner Well, darn. I'm out of ideas :-(
12:53 nengard nope, same count if i only look at items and join on reserves
12:48 jwagner That might get a closer count
12:47 jwagner Select from items only those with the statuses, then count how many holds are on the biblionumber?
12:47 jwagner nengard, I think you're right. On the other hand, if these are on-order items, maybe you could start from the other direction?
12:44 wahanui bonjour, clrh
12:44 clrh hello
12:41 nengard jwagner, yes that's what i think is happening - i'm counting bib level holds since there are very few item level holds ? i'm thinking the answer is that an accurate count isn't possible
12:31 oleonard I mean #koha
12:31 oleonard Hi 3koha
12:31 jwagner Are you limiting to item-level holds? It's joining from reserves to biblio, then to items, and if you have multiple items that may account for the inflation in the count
12:26 nengard they want to see "on order' or 'in processing'
12:25 nengard it would show -1 or -2
12:25 nengard and seeing a code is not helpful
12:25 nengard they want to see the status
12:25 jwagner nengard, in your report, why are you joining to authorized values? Doesn't seem necessary.
12:11 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report help needed: this report should show items with a status of on order or processing (both are negative numbers) with holds on them." (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/324
10:34 Oak do many libraries use the Koha'a Acquisition module?
09:46 Oak :)
09:46 Oak that's why I always ask stupid questions to cait
09:42 Oak should I be working on Acquisitions module first, before doing cataloging for my MLIS project? What things we can do in Acquisition?
09:35 rangi as well
09:35 rangi you probably need to do export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml
09:35 rangi yep
09:35 macphisto i think i should do export PERL5LIB=<koha-root>, something like that?
09:34 macphisto ok
09:34 rangi s/have/havent/
09:33 rangi macphisto: sounds like you have exported PERL5LIB
09:28 Lea IDENTIFY
09:26 macphisto hi! i need help. I've the following error "Can't locate C4/Biblio.pm in @INC". What does it mean? (i try the sudoc loader, maybe frenchies on this chat may have an idea)
09:25 Oak http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/acqadmin.html
09:25 Oak the documentation on Acquisitions is rather short, no?
09:21 magnuse they had -39.7 on february 7th
09:21 rangi lucky
09:21 rangi ohh yeah
09:20 magnuse http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Finnmark/Kautokeino/Kautokeino~298383/statistics.html
09:19 magnuse coud be -30 there now
09:19 magnuse and lucky with the weather
09:19 magnuse nice location
09:18 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is 1.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on March 28, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling).
09:18 magnuse @wunder kautokeino
09:17 magnuse yay
09:17 rangi at http://www.nrk.no/witbc2012/
09:17 rangi magnuse: there are quite a few maori in norway at the moment
09:13 magnuse yay :-)
09:12 rangi http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2012/03/28/the-world-in-our-office/
09:11 rangi evening
08:50 magnuse wow, you learn something new every day... http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/SMIDSY
08:49 slef SMIDSY
08:49 slef didn't see you there
08:49 magnuse hehe
08:49 slef erm, hello moo
08:49 magnuse hm, is that good syntax? ;-)
08:49 slef bah, grammar fail, but moo
08:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7840 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Remove from manual Koha as a CMS (or add it to master)
08:48 slef huginn: bug 7840
08:48 huginn slef: downloading the Perl source
08:48 slef huginn: ?
08:48 slef oi huginn
08:48 slef bug 7840
08:47 magnuse slef++
08:46 * slef fixes
08:46 magnuse feel free to fix it :-)
08:46 slef no verb in subject line
08:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7840 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Koha as a CMS
08:43 magnuse bug 7840
08:41 magnuse kf: yup :-)
08:41 * slef looks at his IRC client
08:41 slef magnus_away: go for it
08:41 kf can you fix the typos? :P
08:41 kf hm
08:38 magnuse kf, slef: mind if i copy our little conversation into the bug?
08:37 kf magnuse++
08:37 kf yay :)
08:37 magnuse i can do that
08:33 slef anyone like to open a bug suggesting dropping Appendix E from the manual, or integrate it properly, using extending news instead of using sysprefs?
08:32 magnuse and it made me think of a wordpress theme to match the default look of koha...
08:31 kf help page
08:31 kf slef: not full cms functionality, but perhaps things like a help age
08:31 magnuse slef: that's what i'm thinking too
08:31 kf slef: I agree, but an option to add a few pages is nice
08:30 slef we've used koha as a CMS before. Not sure if it was that hack or an earlier one. Basically: don't. Use a CMS.
08:26 kf magnuse: perhaps it could be an enhancement to work similar to the news?
08:26 kf on bugzilla for that
08:26 kf I have had some problems with editing localuse prefernces :( there is a bug
08:26 kf magnuse: I guess perhaps implementing the hack as a real featurew would be nice
08:25 Oak kia ora #koha
08:25 Oak magnuse
08:25 Oak hello kf :)
08:24 magnuse no plan on implementing that hack - feels like it should either be part of koha or removed from the manual?
08:24 magnuse http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS
08:24 magnuse http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/kohacms.html
08:24 * magnuse has a library asking about "Using Koha as a Content Management System"
08:23 asaurat hi!
08:23 kf :)
08:23 kf hi slef .)
08:23 slef hi all
08:21 kf :)
08:21 asaurat would still be fun to work together more often =)
08:21 kf only joking :)
08:20 kf so you won't miss me so much ;)
08:20 kf ah, that's good
08:19 asaurat I've got a german friend at home this week + a german intern hosted in our flat who will stay for a month =) germany week !!
08:18 * kf waves at asaurat and magnuse
08:18 kf :)
08:18 magnuse guten morgen kf
08:18 asaurat hi kf!
08:18 kf hi #koha :)
07:28 gaetan_B hello #koha!
07:28 magnuse kia ora #koha!
07:05 julian_m hello
07:03 asaurat hi
07:03 sam1975 hello, it's the first time i came to the irc of koha
07:02 sophie_m hello
07:00 paul_p good morning #koha
06:52 alex_a hello
06:52 cait bbiab
06:52 cait hi jonathan
06:51 Joubu hello
06:49 cait hi stephane :)
06:44 reiveune hello
06:15 Oak wait 5 minutes cait... on Skype with boss
06:14 cait Oak: how is your project?
06:14 cait Oak: yep
06:09 Oak good
06:05 cait yes :)
06:05 Oak back home cait ? :)
05:52 * cait waves
05:18 Oak kia ora #koha
05:17 Oak hello my hearties
04:40 bag hi there
04:40 bag yo Amit_Gupta :D
03:27 Amit_Gupta heya bag
02:48 Brooke ruh oh shaggy. Bots be quittin.
02:33 Brooke o/
02:10 libsysguy kk thanks rangi
02:10 rangi no idea
02:09 libsysguy off the top fo your head
02:09 libsysguy do you know if it has ADLDAP support?
02:09 druthb I use dokuwiki a lot for migrations stuff.
02:09 libsysguy ahhh
02:09 rangi http://ikiwiki.info/
02:09 rangi mostly cos i can interact with it entirely with git
02:09 libsysguy the university uses contribute and it just crashed on an upgrade and I lost like 50% of my data
02:08 rangi i like ikiwiki
02:08 * druthb has opinions, yes.
02:08 libsysguy does anybody have any opinions on wiki software here
02:05 * libsysguy is trying to move to austin where it is more liberal
02:05 druthb Lawrence has lots of advantages--liberal-ish town, very local-store friendly, trans-protective laws...and wizzyrea and trea are here (and teh Spud.)
02:04 libsysguy ohhh well then I guess I'll win the game ;)
02:04 druthb we've settled down in KS. :)
02:03 libsysguy you're in Kansas…geez im going to start playing where in the world is druthb again
02:02 * druthb has trouble finding tops and dresses in her size; Omar the Tentmaker is not a popular brand in Kansas.
02:01 * libsysguy is waiting on my favorite clothing brand to go on sale
02:00 libsysguy w00t sale prices
02:00 druthb just got back from dinner and a little shoppin'. Found a great summery skirt and some shorts, and a couple of new tunics, on sale! :D
02:00 libsysguy whatcha up to
01:59 libsysguy heya druthb
01:59 druthb hi, libsysguy!
01:59 libsysguy \o
01:59 druthb o/
00:53 Culiforge jcamins: right on, I thought it was like a dependency I had to fix before continuing.. thanks jcamins_away
00:53 * jcamins wanders off.
00:52 jcamins You're done. :)
00:52 jcamins Run make install
00:52 jcamins Run make.
00:52 jcamins Run Makefile.PL.
00:52 jcamins All Makefile.PL does is create a Makefile to run with make.
00:52 jcamins Culiforge: you just continue with the instructions.
00:49 Culiforge jcamins: please go on.. I'm intrigued...
00:48 jcamins Culiforge: it will.
00:48 Culiforge jcamins: but makefile.pl won't install koha without it.. ...or will it?
00:47 jcamins However, for the latter the problem is probably that you're missing MakeMaker or something like that.
00:47 jcamins As is PDF::API2::Simple.
00:47 jcamins Culiforge: G::M is unnecessary.
00:41 Culiforge Hey, it's me again with Fedora.. can't seem to get Graphics::Magick and PDF::API2::simple to install. cpan says G::M doesnt' exist and flat refuses to install PDF::API2::simple. any ideas?
00:12 jcamins My understanding is that datatables is generally vastly superior, so I'm not clear why we'd want to use tablesorter, anyway.
00:09 melia ok got it. thanks!
00:09 rangi im pretty sure thats the idea yes
00:09 melia so if we want to sort other tables, we just need to use datatables rather than tablesorter. right?
00:09 rangi if that makes sense
00:09 rangi but we shouldnt introduce new ones, and remove them if and when we get the chance
00:08 rangi we dont have to go removing them
00:08 rangi yes
00:08 melia so we want to use datatables for everywhere else in koha rather than using tablesorter?
00:08 rangi thats the idea yeah
00:08 melia that one is using datatables for all of the tables in acquisitions?
00:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , DataTables in Koha
00:07 melia Bug 5345
00:07 melia that one made it so that we can use datatables in Koha, right?
00:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6836 enhancement, P2, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, jQuery plugin Datatables integration http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DataTables_HowTo
00:07 melia Bug 6836
00:06 melia I am wondering about datatables