Time  Nick              Message
00:00 sekjal            ah, interesting... BackgroundJob fails if your DB isn't up to date
00:00 sekjal            ... and so did VirtualShelves
00:00 sekjal            I've learned something
00:01 rangi             that'll be it
00:01 sekjal            okay, so only db_dependent test to fix is Acquisitions, and that's already written
00:02 * jcamins         wanders off.
00:03 rangi             DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha.virtualshelfshares' (errno: 150) at ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4984.
00:03 rangi             that'll be the issue
00:05 rangi             foreign key
00:11 sekjal            hmmm, should t/db_dependent/Ratings.t depend on the test DB... none of the other tests seem to
00:14 rangi             !jenkins buld Koha_master now
00:14 jenkins_koha      rangi did you mean me? Unknown command 'buld'
00:14 jenkins_koha      Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
00:14 rangi             !jenkins build Koha_master now
00:14 jenkins_koha      rangi: job Koha_master build scheduled now
00:14 jenkins_koha      Starting build #671 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #668 9 h 58 mn ago)
00:32 rangi             sekjal: thats on a patch right?
00:32 rangi             found it
00:32 sekjal            k
00:33 rangi             hmm
00:35 rangi             yeah
00:35 rangi             it does depend on a biblio existing
00:35 rangi             and a borrower .. the sample db has borrowers but no biblio's
00:35 rangi             heh biblios
00:36 rangi             so yeah that test will fail on the sample db that ships with koha
00:36 rangi             was that what you were asking?
00:47 Oak               kia ora #koha
00:47 rangi             hi Oak
00:47 Oak               hello rangi
00:58 rangi             sup libsysguy
00:59 jenkins_koha      Yippie, build fixed!
00:59 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #671: FIXED in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/671/
00:59 libsysguy         sup rangi
01:00 sekjal            rangi: sorry, distracted.  I was curious about whether we should require a specific db installed in order to make db_dependent tests work
01:01 rangi             the plan was to make them work with the sample files that come with koha .. but im not sure thats feasible .. however having some sample biblio and circ rules would mean that if you did install the sample files you would have a koha that you could actually evaluate a bit better
01:01 rangi             so getting the stuff in the sample db .. does have a positive side effect
01:02 rangi             install sample records and items
01:02 rangi             install sample circulation rules
01:02 rangi             etc
01:02 sekjal            so should I add a SKIP wrapper to the Ratings.t, so the tests won't fail outright if the data isn't there to do the test?
01:03 rangi             actually thats a darn good idea, for 5549 too
01:03 Oak               sekjal++
01:04 Judit             has anyone using  chinese zebra in a library with 2(or more) branches- chinese and english
01:04 rangi             not me, but anthony mao might have
01:05 rangi             there's a whole koha-taiwan user group
01:07 Judit             we started to use chinese zebra, but is also modified our english seraches- no surprice there
01:07 Judit             just want to understand a bit more
02:40 Brooke            O/
02:40 rangi             hi Brooke
02:41 Brooke            howdy
02:44 Space_Librarian   \o
02:45 Brooke            :)
02:47 Space_Librarian   ;)
02:47 Judit             :D
02:51 Brooke            smiles all round
03:54 rangi             go to sleep paul_p !
03:54 paul_p            ;-)
03:55 paul_p            can't sleep anymore (5AM)
03:55 rangi             gonna be a long day then :)
03:55 paul_p            some count sheeps to sleep, I will push some patches instead :D
03:55 rangi             heh
03:55 Judit             :)
03:55 Brooke            paul_p++
03:56 paul_p            count sheeps => is it a frenchism ?
03:56 rangi             no -s
03:56 Brooke            non
03:56 rangi             sheep is plural and singular
03:56 Judit             it is a humanism
03:56 Brooke            or possibly the Kiwi way to aessess one's prospects.
03:56 * Brooke          ducks.
03:56 rangi             87 bugs/enh pushed to master so far in march
03:56 Judit             :D
03:57 rangi             104 passed qa
03:57 rangi             and 146 signed off
03:57 kmkale            OMG!! Looks like the meeting is still on! Lay off ppl..
03:58 rangi             lol
03:58 Brooke            hehehe
03:58 Brooke            NEVAR
03:58 * Brooke          sat a 17.5 hr. meeting once.
03:58 kmkale            yikes
03:58 kmkale            poor chair
03:58 kmkale            ;)
03:58 Brooke            thankfully I wasn't chair.
03:58 kmkale            no I meant the furniture :)
03:59 Brooke            went straight to lobbying from there, though
04:00 Brooke            you might find this hard to believe, deary, but I was Ash's figure back then :P
04:01 Brooke            rachel maddow!
04:01 kmkale            Gotta go. BBL. /finds no problems with any figure
04:03 jenkins_koha      Starting build #672 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
04:04 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7310 follow-up DBVersion was wrong <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b86b5a29799493014d475e181802861738df7ec4>
04:12 eythian_          anyone have a guesstimate as to how many people are going to be at kohacon?
04:15 rangi             not me
04:15 rangi             total guess would be 80-100
04:15 rangi             going on previous ones
04:15 eythian_          ok, cool
04:34 gcc               hI
04:47 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #672: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/672/
04:47 jenkins_koha      paul.poulain: bug 7310 follow-up DBVersion was wrong
04:48 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
04:50 skk               we upgraded our koha installation from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 then to 3.6.4 while running upgrade we had also ran command ./remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl and then we ran rebuild_Zebra command. We are unable to see all bound volumes data  after doing the upgrade. Can someone help us to know what has gone wrong.
04:51 skk               when we checked in phpMyAdmin all these items are there in koha database. why are they not available in koha then neither from kohaadmin nor from OPAC. pl. help.
05:06 Judit1            you might one to do a full zebra rebuild
05:06 Judit1            i would start with that
05:06 skk               yes i did that with ./rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v
05:07 Judit1            try this:
05:07 Judit1            " /etc/init.d/zebra.sh stop"
05:07 Judit1            su koha
05:07 Judit1            export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
05:07 Judit1            export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
05:07 Judit1            export KOHA_CRON_PATH= /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs
05:07 Judit1            $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/http://rebuild_zebra.pl/ -a -r
05:07 Judit1            $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migration_tools/http://rebuild_zebra.pl/ -b -x -r -v
05:07 Judit1            /etc/init.d/zebra.sh start
05:07 Judit1            adjust the path!
05:08 skk               ok let me try and get back to u i had started running ./batchRepairMissingBiblionumbers.pl this to check if these biblios are missing by chance
05:08 ago43             skk: try running rebuild_zebra first with authorities: -r -w -v -v -a
05:09 ago43             then, separately biblios: -r -w -v -v -b -x
05:22 anitsirk          rangi, are you about?
05:33 jenkins_koha      Starting build #673 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
05:36 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7771: "Notices" changed to "Notices & Slips" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd1f39b483ef397bafa05e993a505178c8b53ac1> / Bug 7745: Wrong service name for CAS authentification <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=28bb1a3ed01e89588b8f95d9ad4a53c700df862a> / Bug 7753: serials-home displays library name instead of code <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha
05:52 Oak               kia ora #koha
06:02 anitsirk          hello Oak and Irma
06:02 Irma              hi aitsirk and Oak
06:02 Irma              how r u anitsirk?
06:02 anitsirk          how's the fall weather in sydney, irma :-)
06:03 Irma              sad sad indeed ... we have not really had a good summer :-(
06:03 Irma              had to fetch a jumper this afternoon
06:04 Oak               :)
06:04 anitsirk          :-( it's been on and off drizzly for the last 3 days here.
06:04 anitsirk          Irma: do you happen to know if there is a list of sample notices? i am attempting to test a bug but the sandboxes do not have the routling list notice configured. :-(
06:04 Irma              where are you located Oak?
06:04 marcelr           morning
06:04 Oak               Pakistan
06:04 anitsirk          i couldn't find a link on the manual
06:04 anitsirk          evening marcelr
06:04 marcelr           :-)
06:04 anitsirk          ;-)
06:05 Irma              thanks Oak
06:05 Oak               thanks Irma
06:05 Oak               :)
06:05 Oak               why thanks Irma ?
06:05 Irma              anitsirk in the demo sites you will find some notices
06:05 anitsirk          ah true. thanks. i'll check there.
06:06 Irma              let me check our demo site
06:06 Irma              which notice in particular r u looking for or does any do?
06:07 Irma              Oak thanks for your reply ...
06:08 Oak               got it.
06:08 Oak               just messing with you.
06:08 Oak               hello cait.
06:08 Oak               :) Guten Morgen
06:08 anitsirk          Irma: i found the routing list notice.
06:08 anitsirk          hello cait. you are up early. :-)
06:09 anitsirk          cait: i'm getting started with bug 5841 that you suggested to rangi for me to test
06:09 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Routing slip not displaying publication date
06:09 Irma              anitsirk Overdue notice https://demo-admin.calyx.net.au/cgi-bin/koha/tools/letter.pl?op=add_form&module=circulation&code=ODUE
06:10 Irma              login anne pw koha
06:10 cait              anitsirk: thank you :)
06:11 cait              and hi Oak, Irma and anitsirk :)
06:12 anitsirk          Irma: thank you. i needed the rlist. had a brain freeze for not thinking of a demo site.
06:12 Irma              Bonjour cait
06:12 Irma              Ca va a Marseilles?
06:12 Irma              anitsirk ++
06:15 Irma              Cait isn't it great to be with other Koha hackers and achieving real progress ...
06:17 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #673: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/673/
06:17 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7700: Cart's more details view shows identity numbers
06:17 jenkins_koha      * matthias.meusburger: Bug 7300 : Show working branch suggestions by default
06:17 jenkins_koha      * adrien.saurat: Bug 7753: serials-home displays library name instead of code
06:17 jenkins_koha      * julian.maurice: Bug 7745: Wrong service name for CAS authentification
06:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers
06:17 jenkins_koha      * adrien.saurat: Bug 7771: "Notices" changed to "Notices & Slips"
06:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , display suggestions from librarian library only by default
06:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7753 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , when displaying serials, library name should be showed and not code
06:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7745 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Using OPACBaseURL for CAS Authentication
06:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7771 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Different texts in the Notices & Slips page
06:17 anitsirk          cait: are you already up for a question?
06:17 cait              hm I think so
06:17 cait              I am commenting about gst....
06:17 cait              so it can't be worse :)
06:18 anitsirk          hehe. nope i don't think so. ;-)
06:18 cait              Irma: it is great :) and going over too fast - only today and tomorrow now :(
06:18 anitsirk          on bug 5841 it says that the "publication date" should be printed. is that the date the issue was published or the date that the routing list was published?
06:18 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Routing slip not displaying publication date
06:19 Irma              cait I know ;-( sorry for you ...
06:20 cait              Irma: it's ok :)
06:20 cait              anitsirk: I thin it refers to the issue
06:21 cait              anitsirk: yep, the publication date of the issue  -it was on one slip but not on the other
06:21 cait              anitsirk: so i made them the same
06:21 cait              anitsirk: did you already add a subscription and a routing list to your test database?
06:21 anitsirk          cait: ah ok. then i'll see that i change the date when the issue was received so i don't get confused
06:21 cait              :)
06:22 anitsirk          cait: yes. i'm on http://pro.test4.biblibre.com
06:22 cait              ok
06:22 anitsirk          if you want to join me there :-)
06:22 cait              there are 2 ways to print the slips
06:22 cait              that is basically the problem ,and one was missing a parameter
06:23 cait              anitsirk: does my comment on bug 2865 make sense to you?
06:23 * cait            is still waking up
06:23 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2865 major, P3, ---, chrish, Failed QA , Acquisitions: GST not calculating correctly.
06:24 cait              huginn too it seems
06:24 huginn            cait: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
06:24 cait              !huginn botsnack cookie
06:24 cait              huginn botsnack cookie
06:24 huginn            cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
06:24 cait              hm.
06:25 anitsirk          cait: makes sense to me.
06:25 cait              ok :)
06:25 anitsirk          cait: let me check way number 1 before getting to way number 2. still slow in finding my way around.
06:26 cait              I get easily confused by all the calculatoins in acq
06:27 anitsirk          every country is different...
06:27 cait              yes, makes it even more fun
06:27 anitsirk          cait: i see the publication date at http://pro.test4.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/serials/routing-preview.pl?subscriptionid=3&issue=Supplement%20%2821%2F03%2F2012%29 and also in the preview of the routing slip.
06:27 cait              and correct calculations are important in acq... so. arg.
06:28 cait              what is the login for the sandbox?
06:28 anitsirk          test / test
06:29 skk               can someone help. I am struggling to see if my bound volumes records are visible in kohaadmin and OPAC. I ran upgrade from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 and after reindexing zebra the bound volumes data is not visible. When i create a report of barcode and titles all the records are available but they are not available in search
06:29 anitsirk          cait: with " Links in the table of issues on the serial collection page" do you mean http://pro.test4.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/serials/subscription-detail.pl?subscriptionid=3 ?
06:29 cait              hm
06:29 cait              the links don't work too well I think
06:30 cait              on the left sidebar
06:30 cait              the link serial collection
06:30 anitsirk          :-(
06:30 anitsirk          cait: i always seem to see the arrival date
06:31 cait              we will figure it out
06:31 cait              click on the name of your subscription
06:31 cait              the tabbed view
06:31 cait              of all subscription information
06:31 cait              are you there?
06:31 cait              I think that is right then
06:31 cait              I took the same infomration
06:31 cait              from the slip where it showed
06:31 cait              I used the same field - so it should be right
06:31 cait              the complaint was it showed only on one
06:32 cait              http://pro.test4.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/serials/serials-collection.pl?subscriptionid=3
06:32 cait              if you are there
06:32 cait              you can preview the slip following the steps from Edit routing list
06:32 anitsirk          cait: https://skitch.com/anitsirk/8c8f1/serial
06:32 cait              or you can click print list
06:32 cait              and both should show the same date in ()
06:34 anitsirk          yes. both have the same date, cait. does it matter that it is the arrival date of the issue and not the publication date of the issue?
06:34 cait              I am not sure really
06:34 cait              you could note it
06:34 cait              and sign off saying it makes them the same but you are not sure if it should show another date?
06:34 cait              and leave that for qa
06:34 cait              i did this when I was searching for bugs I could solve
06:35 cait              hm
06:35 cait              from the code
06:35 cait              it's the serialplanneddate
06:36 cait              weird.
06:36 anitsirk          yep sounds like it because that's the date you put into it. i'll add the note you suggested.
06:36 cait              ok
06:36 anitsirk          vielen dank, cait.
06:36 cait              sorry, I think this is confusing
06:36 anitsirk          yep, will say so.
06:36 cait              no thanks to you :)
06:37 cait              and perhaps we need to  hange it - but at least both slips will behave the same way now
06:37 cait              I think there is a small typo on your testing report for 5354
06:37 cait              For aqbooksellerid and aqbooksellerid, ... :)
06:39 cait              only saying because perhaps they will ask about the second field
06:41 anitsirk          ah thanks. will add a note once i'm done with this report.
06:44 anitsirk          thanks for checking, cait. the second vendor id should have been the biblionumber
06:44 cait              I have subscribed to the bugs list
06:44 cait              which is going crazy these days :)
06:45 anitsirk          oh i bet.
06:46 Irma              **back in a while**
06:48 anitsirk          have a great day / afternoon / evening.
07:08 skk               'can someone help. I am struggling to see if my bound volumes records are visible in kohaadmin and OPAC. I ran upgrade from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 and after reindexing zebra some records are missing in kohaadmin and opac but when a report with barcode and title is printed those records are added in the report. why these records are not available in search
07:10 cait              skk: did you run the script to remove the itmes from the records after updating from 3.2 to 3.4?
07:10 cait              it's probably that or an indexing problem I think
07:10 skk               yes i had done running script to remove items
07:10 cait              sorry, I have to run, more people will be here later
07:11 skk               ok tx
07:39 mtj               hmm, i seem to be hitting a stupid install/upgrade bug, of late....
07:41 mtj               the problem seems to be, any minor db error in the upgrade causes the upgrade to loop, forever
07:43 mtj               previously, these 'warning' type errors, would just print a warning in red, but the upgrade would succeed
07:44 mtj               now, the upgrade seems to keep looping back to the previous 'you use must upgrade from 3.6.x to 3.6.y'  step
07:48 alex_a            hello #koha
07:48 Oak               hi to hide subfields, i need to put -1 in hidden field?
07:52 mtj               Oak: i cant remember,  its in the manual
07:52 mtj               manual?
07:52 wahanui           manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
07:53 Oak               yes yes found it :)
07:53 Oak               cool
07:55 Oak               and if I hide all the subfields of a tag, then during cataloging i am left with just the Tag of the field.
07:55 Oak               Can I hide the Tag or do I have to delete it?
07:55 oleonard          Hi #koha
07:55 Oak               hi oleonard
07:55 paul_p            hi oleonard ;-) & all !
07:56 rangi             morning marseille
07:56 Oak               :)
07:56 paul_p            new motto : "a good day is a day where the RM pushes at least 10 patches"
07:56 paul_p            3 already pushed today ;-)
07:57 mtj               Oak: hide it, dont delete it
07:58 mtj               (is the rule for frameworks)
07:59 Oak               how can I hide the main Tag? I see no option to do that. Let me see again...
08:00 rangi             it owont show if you hide all the subfields
08:01 Oak               hm, cait said the same thing. i hid all the subfields, but i still see the main tag (246), and is clickable, and when clicked shows the hidden field.
08:01 reiveune          hello
08:01 wahanui           hello, reiveune
08:01 Oak               or is it because i am logged as admin?
08:02 rangi             that shouldn't matter
08:02 Oak               hmm
08:03 rangi             i use the dropdown to hide it
08:03 rangi             not the values (usually)
08:03 asaurat           hi!
08:03 Oak               here: /cgi-bin/koha/admin/marc_subfields_structure.pl?tagfield=246&frameworkcode=MIN i see "hidden" for all fields in "constraints" column
08:05 rangi             hmm
08:05 Oak               rangi, the dropdown?
08:08 rangi             yeah you can choose which tab it shows on
08:08 Oak               i put ah
08:09 Oak               you choose "ignore"?
08:09 rangi             yeah
08:09 rangi             try that
08:09 Oak               okay
08:10 Oak               coool
08:10 Oak               worked
08:10 Oak               thank you rangi!
08:11 rangi             1no worries
08:11 rangi             hmm bad typing tonight
08:12 Oak               no worries :)
08:23 oleonard          Is there still a problem with translating <optgroup> ?
08:23 Joubu             hello
08:23 wahanui           hola, Joubu
08:24 oleonard          Oh, I guess not (Bug 3672)
08:24 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3672 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, labels of <optgroups> not translatable
08:29 marcelr           hi oleonard! up for a small question on lists?
08:29 oleonard          Yes
08:30 marcelr           what about this: Permissions on lists: Do not allow anyone to remove his own contributed entries. Is that line understandable?
08:30 marcelr           (working on showing the permissions for a list_
08:31 marcelr           )
08:31 skk               help pl. i am not getting bound volumes of few serials after upgrade from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4. these records are there in the database but they are not retrieved in search and when i run rebuildzebra it gives an error asMARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest 13:56:37-22/03 zebraidx(29706) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number
08:32 rangi             did you run it -b -x -r -v ?
08:32 skk               yes did it several times
08:33 rangi             definitely with the -x tho eh?
08:33 rangi             that is the important bit
08:36 marcelr           oleonard: added a screenshot on 7310 to show what I meant
08:38 marcelr           hi magnuse
08:39 magnuse           hiya marcelr and #koha
08:41 oleonard          Sorry marcelr, got pulled away
08:41 marcelr           added a screenshot
08:42 marcelr           at bug 7310 to illustratie
08:42 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
08:42 skk               no luck yet even after doing rebuild_zebra -b -x -r -v
08:43 rangi             you might like to do a select marcxml from biblioitems where biblionumber=a number that you having problems with
08:43 rangi             and check if it looks ok
08:43 oleonard          marcelr, I'm confused about the first one actually. "[ Do not allow ] adding entries to this list" means do not allow /others/ to add entries?
08:44 marcelr           no it includes owner too
08:44 skk               how to do that i have no clue
08:44 rangi             you did the upgrade on your test db eh?
08:44 skk               no live
08:44 marcelr           oleonard: include: anyone including yourself?
08:44 skk               but i have backup of old one which i can restore
08:45 oleonard          marcelr, so the owner can create the list, add items to it, and then prevent himself from adding new entries?
08:45 marcelr           if he wants so, yes
08:45 marcelr           kind of closed list in the past
08:46 rangi             skk: i suspect that at least one of yuour records has invalid xml in the marcxml column you need to find that one
08:46 skk               can u tell me hw to check that
08:46 rangi             you need to run that sql
08:47 skk               if i am guided with command wil try that
08:47 rangi             but if you don't know how to do that, you probably want to get someone who does to do it for you
08:47 rangi             because you dont want to make it worse
08:47 cait              slef: around?
08:47 skk               i knw linux and have knowledge of executing commands only thing is which command to try
08:48 oleonard          marcelr, I think it might be more clear to say "[ Do not allow ] anyone, including the owner, to add entries to this list"
08:48 oleonard          ...but I'm concerned about the flexibility of these constructions with regard to translation.
08:49 marcelr           it is just like the prefs
08:49 oleonard          True
08:50 marcelr           contributed entries sounds good to you?
08:51 oleonard          It sounds a little bit awkward to me, but I don't have a better suggestion
08:51 oleonard          Easy to change if someone thinks of a better way to say it
08:52 marcelr           ok, thanks
08:53 francharb         0/ all
08:53 oleonard          Bonjour francharb
08:55 francharb         0/ oleonard ;)
08:56 francharb         the funny thing is that we are 3 m away from each other... ;)
08:57 oleonard          I'm hardly ever 3m away from ANY Koha developer! It's a nice change
08:59 skk               can u tell me the query i can even run it from phpmyadmin
08:59 skk               by copy pasting
09:07 Oak               in setting subfield constraints, in "hidden", what does -4 means? manual says: OPAC !Intranet !Editor !Collapsed whereas "! means 'not visible' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'"
09:11 Oak               should not ! mean not hidden? and -4 should mean hidden in OPAC, not hidden in Intranet, not hidden in Editor, and Not collapsed?
09:11 Oak               http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/catadmin.html
09:12 Judit             yes
09:12 Oak               why does it say "! means 'not visible' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'"
09:12 Judit             what do you see
09:13 Oak               when I set -4, i see "hidden" in "Constraints" column, but the field is visible in admin area.
09:13 Judit             yes
09:13 Judit             not hidden in Intranet,
09:13 Judit             not hidden ergo visible in admin
09:14 Oak               cool, then the wording in manual that says: "! means 'not visible' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'" should be changed to ""! means 'not hidden' or in the case of Collapsed 'not Collapsed'"
09:14 Judit             ehm
09:14 Judit             hang on
09:15 Judit             no
09:15 Judit             ! means not
09:15 Judit             not in opac n
09:15 Judit             not visible
09:15 Oak               but the setting name is "hidden"
09:16 Judit             well
09:16 Judit             yes!
09:16 Oak               so if we put ! it read ! hidden in whatever we put it after.
09:16 Judit             i know what you mean
09:16 Judit             it the the state of hidden
09:17 Judit             hidden has these states: like the numbers : −9 to 9
09:17 Oak               yes
09:17 Judit             the word 'hidden' is confusing
09:17 Judit             yes
09:17 Oak               and if we put ! in front it mean "not" hidden
09:17 Oak               not "not visible"
09:18 Judit             no, that means it is not visible which is a state of "hidden"
09:18 Oak               wait. listen.
09:18 Oak               the field name is "hidden" right.
09:18 Judit             yes
09:19 Oak               the value "0 " says the manual: 0 => OPAC Intranet Editor !Collapsed
09:19 Oak               it reads to me as:
09:20 Oak               hidden: yes hidden in OPAC, yes hidden in Intranet, yes hidden in Editor, but NOT collapsed.
09:20 Judit             i know what you mean, it is very confusing
09:20 Oak               hmm
09:20 Judit             but i would change the hidden  word
09:21 Judit             the problem is caused by the word not by the !
09:21 Oak               hmm
09:21 Oak               what should be the word?
09:21 Oak               in place of hidden?
09:21 Judit             i have no idea
09:21 Oak               hm
09:21 Judit             status? visibility?
09:21 Oak               visibility sounds right.
09:21 Judit             yeah
09:21 Oak               let me read the rules with that in mind
09:22 Judit             visibility: 0
09:22 Judit             OPAC Intranet Editor !Collapsed
09:22 Judit             visible in opac, visible in intranet visible in editor not colapsed
09:22 Oak               that would read as: visible in OPAC, visible in Intranet, visible in Editr, and...
09:23 Oak               oh yes you wrote same
09:23 Oak               let me see how it works then
09:23 skk               can some one help! one of my bound volumes all records are not visible in OPAC/kohaadmin. I have opened the database in phpmyAdmin and have browsed items where i could locate that record. Now i need a small help what change i have to do here so ththat this record is visible in OPAC/kohaadmin with all its bound volume detatails.
09:24 Judit             in the sql: you have a zebraqueue table
09:24 skk               yes
09:24 Judit             do you have 0 or 1 next to the biblio
09:25 Judit             or is it the biblio you cannot see, or theitem?
09:25 skk               both biblio and items attached to a biblio
09:25 Judit             ok
09:25 Judit             chechk the zebraqueue
09:25 skk               i am there
09:26 Judit             did you find the biblionumber you are missing from opac?
09:26 skk               yes
09:27 skk               i see in zebraque at few times there
09:27 Judit             i dont remember the column name, maybe it is called done
09:27 Judit             do yousee 0 or 1
09:27 Judit             ?
09:28 skk               yes i can see a column as done where it is 1
09:28 Judit             and you have already rebuilt zebra, right
09:28 Judit             i remmeber you from this mornig
09:29 skk               yes i am sitting since morning but no answer yet
09:29 skk               zebra is rebuilt thousand times
09:29 Judit             do you see some of your records
09:29 Judit             or non at all
09:29 Judit             in opac
09:30 skk               only for that biblio and items related to that biblio are not visible in either opac or in kohaadmin but if i take a report with barcode and title all those barcodes and titles are listed
09:30 Judit             yeah, still zebra
09:31 Judit             reports are just sql queries, but in search that is zebra
09:31 Judit             so you are missing only one biblio?
09:31 Judit             or several
09:31 Oak               Judit, I want 021 c to be not visible in OPAC, visible in intranet, visible in editor, and not collapsed, I choose 4. but the c field disappears from admin area cataloging page. but if i put -4, it appears.
09:32 skk               at the moment looks to be only one where it has around 700 items attached to a biblio. its a bould volumes record
09:32 Oak               sorry, typo. 020 c
09:32 Oak               first deal with skk 's issue
09:32 Judit             gee, Oak you dont know how much i hate marc:D let me have a look
09:33 oleonard          cait: Bug 7789
09:33 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7789 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Add translations of item type and authorized value descriptions
09:34 cait              :)
09:35 mveron            Hi #koha
09:35 mveron            Adrien submitted resolving patch to already signed-off Bug 7737
09:36 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7737 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Signed Off , Use of date filters on bookseller pages
09:36 mveron            Should this bug be signed off again?
09:36 oleonard          Usually no, if the resubmission is to resolved conflicts only it does not require another signoff
09:37 Judit             skk you have 1 biblio with 700 items attached to it?
09:37 skk               yes
09:37 * oleonard        is happy to submit a patch for Bug 6209
09:37 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Standardize on one javascript library for client-side form validation
09:37 * oleonard        hopes it is the first of many
09:38 cait              :)
09:40 Judit             oak, you re right
09:40 Oak               so what's going on then?
09:41 Judit             i choose 4, but then it is not viisble in the edit
09:41 Judit             well, time to ask someone who is good in it
09:41 Oak               then try -4 and it will appear
09:41 Judit             yeah
09:41 Judit             i did
09:41 Oak               but in "Constraints" column it says "hidden" right?
09:41 Judit             it does
09:42 Oak               weird is it not?
09:42 Judit             it says hidden in both cases: 4 and -4
09:42 Oak               yes yes
09:43 mbalmer           good morning.
09:43 Oak               right
09:43 Judit             well i guess this is one of the resons why i dont like marc
09:43 Oak               but it should not
09:43 Judit             id ont know, what  hidden in Constraints refers to
09:44 cait              it's in the help file
09:44 cait              click on the ? on the page
09:44 skk               when i had ran rebuild_zebra here is the error it gave "Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)"
09:45 Judit             skk, i am sorry but my knowledge ends here
09:45 Oak               cait, when editing subfields, there is no ? in there
09:45 cait              no, but there is one on the top left of each page
09:45 cait              offering context help :)
09:46 Oak               top-right... yes
09:46 Oak               looking at it now
09:46 Judit             the same as themanual
09:46 Oak               yup. same as manual.
09:47 mbalmer           SIP is so much easier to handle on the client side when the server does not close the connecton unexpectedly...
09:50 alex_a1           skk: your record has lot of items ?
09:50 Judit             700 items
09:50 Judit             he has
09:50 Judit             for one bibli
09:50 alex_a            ouch
09:50 Judit             o
09:50 Judit             yeah
09:50 skk               is that the issue then
09:51 alex_a            skk: this could happen when the biblionumber (field 001) has been saved at the end of marcxml iirc
09:51 alex_a            can you check that ?
09:52 Judit             i need to go
09:53 skk               i am in biblioitem and i am in marcxml in phpmyadmin <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <record     xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"     xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/schema/MARC21slim.xsd"     xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim">    <leader>109323casa22087971  45000</leader
09:53 Judit             if you figured out something oak, let me know
09:53 Oak               okay Judit
09:53 Judit             good night
09:53 Oak               good night :)
09:53 skk               <controlfield tag="001">11137031</controlfield> this field u mean is it
09:53 alex_a            skk: can you pastbin the marcxml ?
09:53 skk               it is with start in marcxml
09:53 Oak               so cait, let me know when you are free to be annoyed.
09:56 alex_a            skk: do you get errors with others record (all?) or only this one ?
09:56 skk               only this record
09:57 skk               i have pasted in pastebin
09:57 skk               can u check
09:58 alex_a            ?
09:58 alex_a            where ?
09:58 skk               here there is a PasteBin option when i click that i pasted my marcxml there what else i need to do for u to see it
10:06 skk               alex_a are u there
11:05 paul_p            who can rewind the clock, so it shows "9AM" instead of "12AM" ?
11:06 Oak               is it a wall clock?
11:06 Oak               you won't even need a chair i think :)
11:07 Amit_Gupta        heya paul_p
11:07 Amit_Gupta        paul_p: C4::Search::SimpleSearch
11:07 Amit_Gupta        can you please explain me what this subroutine do?
11:09 jcamins_away      Amit_Gupta: it searches Zebra.
11:13 jcamins           paul_p: I changed that line on bug 7444 because sekjal's original patch just did what you requested, and it had side effects.
11:13 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus
11:13 jcamins           It broke the display in a bunch of places.
11:13 jcamins           I think it's better to not cause regressions.
11:14 oleonard          Hi jcamins
11:14 jcamins           Good morning.
11:27 cait              lunch break at the hackfest - today we have pizza :)
11:28 Oak               and ketchup
11:32 slef              I'm perplexed by bug 7365 and mbalmer signing off his own work
11:32 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, Signed Off , Koha uses MySQL
11:32 slef              has that approach been discussed on koha-devel? Maybe I missed it.
11:33 jcamins           slef: no.
11:37 jcamins           mbalmer and Stephen Delauney decided that this was a better method than actually fixing the problems in the Koha codebase.
11:37 mbalmer           slef, we are a team of three folks working on that
11:37 jcamins           And someone else.
11:37 wahanui           someone else is going to have to look at acquisitions
11:37 mbalmer           so technically, I did not signoff my own work.
11:37 jcamins           Sorry, I didn't realize that there was a third person.
11:40 mbalmer           actually the design was discussed in a group of six people.
11:45 slef              mbalmer: that's nice. What about giving the other 173 developers a chance?
11:46 mbalmer           sure, we discuss the issue to death or accept that there is now a path to move forward with PostgreSQL support.
11:46 mbalmer           we can, even...
11:50 jcamins           Well, you know my feeling on the matter. I think it's a bad idea, but as long as the code is written in such a way as to be easily removable when it becomes unmaintainable, I don't much care.
11:52 jcamins           Though I think a sign-off from someone else would be a good idea.
11:52 * jcamins         leaves for the new apartment.
12:18 slef              mbalmer: I'm not asking you to "discuss the issue to death". I'm asking for it to be discussed AT ALL and not just have 6 devs unilaterally overturn what I thought was previously agreed.
12:39 sekjal            morning, #koha
12:53 marcelr           hi sekjal
12:53 sekjal            hi, marcelr!
12:53 oleonard          I agree, re: another signoff for the new DB stuff
12:53 mbalmer           slef, it was agreed to add PostgreSQL support.
12:54 marcelr           slef: i think you are still right; my only exception still would be a trivial very trivail self-signed patch for something very very tiny
12:54 mbalmer           it is _not_ self signed-off.  stephane did the diff, and tested it.  I tested on a separate machine and signed it off.
12:55 marcelr           mbalmer: if it is not trivial, someone else must sign
12:55 mbalmer           I _am_ someone else than stephan.
12:55 marcelr           if someone tested, let him sign off
12:55 marcelr           in qa you would hear that too
12:55 mbalmer           that is what we did.
12:56 marcelr           but this discussion seems to show otherwise?
12:56 mbalmer           stephan did prepare the diff, I signed off.  Is it hard to see that stephane and I are not the same person.
12:57 reiveune          I am stephane
12:57 marcelr           well it may be just bureaucratic but the patch must show that
12:57 marcelr           hi reiveune
12:57 reiveune          hi
12:57 reiveune          ... the patch show uit
12:58 reiveune          line 7 : Signed-off-by: Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch>
12:58 marcelr           and who is the author?
12:58 wahanui           i guess the author is linked to authorities by default
12:58 oleonard          wahanui, forget the author
12:58 wahanui           oleonard: I forgot author
12:58 reiveune          marcelr: it's me
12:58 marcelr           what does the patch say?
12:59 reiveune          read the diff
12:59 reiveune          and you'll see
12:59 reiveune          :)
12:59 marcelr           :-)
12:59 reiveune          (my english is too bad to explain it easyly)
13:00 mbalmer           btw, is code written in other languages than Perl accepted?
13:01 sekjal            mbalmer:  if you count Javascript or XSLT as a language, then yes
13:01 mbalmer           and other than that?
13:01 sekjal            but I'm pretty sure we're not going to add other scripting languages like PHP or Python
13:01 slef              stephane's patch looked similar to mbalmer's earlier patch
13:02 sekjal            mbalmer: do you have one in mind?
13:02 mbalmer           yes, I was wonderling about libraries is C that come with Lua bindings.
13:02 slef              mbalmer: I agree with adding postgresql support, but I am not sure a bespoke code-generator is sustainable.
13:03 mbalmer           but I am just asking.
13:04 mbalmer           slef, it is the very minimum that needs be done.
13:04 slef              mbalmer: might be minimum today, but almost definitely not the minimum in the long-term.
13:06 mbalmer           yes, but running on PostgreSQL is not a long-term goal either.  So we need a solution that works without changing to much stuff.  That does not mean that it will stay that way forever.  Maybe one day we get a better database layer that obsoletes all this.
13:15 paul_p            slef & mbalmer : I jump in the discussion...
13:52 sekjal            paul_p:  confirmation on the string freeze procedures.  After this week, no new feature of any size is going to be accepted for 3.8
13:52 sekjal            are features awaiting QA still game?  how about waiting Signoff?
13:59 marcelr           sekjal: i asked the same on the list some time ago
14:00 libsysguy         sekjal did you see the new notes on 5549
14:01 libsysguy         is that something that we need to look into or something that we should just consider in follow up
14:02 sekjal            libsysguy:  I'd like to know why their renewals fail and everyone else's work
14:02 sekjal            is it a setting or a setup thing?
14:02 libsysguy         I don't suppose we could have access to that sand box
14:02 sekjal            as for hardduedate-time and suspension in days, those can be followups
14:03 sekjal            suspension in days works
14:03 libsysguy         thats the only way I can really thing of to see the error
14:03 sekjal            but only for hourly loans that are days late
14:03 wizzyrea          libsysguy: I bet it's one of the biblibre one
14:03 wizzyrea          public ones
14:03 sekjal            I should probably fix that
14:03 wizzyrea          sandboxes?
14:03 wahanui           sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
14:04 libsysguy         hmm interesting concept
14:10 sekjal            libsysguy:  commented on 5549
14:11 libsysguy         i just read that
14:11 libsysguy         well said imo :)
14:11 sekjal            I like the new code
14:11 sekjal            using DateTime and DateTime::Duration makes sense to me
14:11 libsysguy         me too
14:12 sekjal            once I learned some of the basics, I was able to do the suspension in days reimplementation, and it was pretty straight forward
14:12 libsysguy         so does this mean that all C4::Dates will need to be changed over eventually
14:12 sekjal            I believe so, yes
14:12 libsysguy         sweet
14:12 libsysguy         which will also allow more of a conversion to the Koha namespace
14:13 sekjal            I'd also like to increase support for this, once we've beaten down the trail a bit more, for loans in minutes
14:13 sekjal            in case someone wants to do an hour and a half loan
14:13 libsysguy         I agree, i plan to do quite a few follow up patches/enhancements with this
14:14 sekjal            getting the library calendars to contain opening/closing hours is a biggie
14:14 sekjal            as laid out in the original spec
14:15 libsysguy         yeah there is a lot that got left out of that original spec
14:15 libsysguy         which is dissappointing
14:19 sekjal            very
14:20 sekjal            but, it's not like we're done here... all these things can be implemented
14:20 sekjal            Holds Rewrite, too
14:20 libsysguy         notifications rewrite....
14:20 libsysguy         im still gunning for that one
14:20 wizzyrea          libsysguy: did you see bug 7001
14:20 libsysguy         my script can't hold out forever
14:20 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
14:20 sekjal            it's a lot better after 7001
14:21 wizzyrea          you'll want to build on top of that instead of what's already there
14:21 sekjal            ... how bad would it be to just use Template Toolkit for templating the notices?
14:21 sekjal            I mean, sure there is plenty to learn
14:21 sekjal            and we'd need to filter it for security
14:21 sekjal            but, really, is it any harder to learn than anything else?
14:21 libsysguy         wizzyrea I hadn't seen that
14:22 libsysguy         sekjal drag and drop fields :)
14:22 wizzyrea          if you could do it similarly to what it does now - click the thing, click >>
14:22 wizzyrea          to add it
14:22 wizzyrea          it would be simple
14:22 wizzyrea          for people
14:22 wizzyrea          sekjal: also, that sounds kind of like a appinventor or scratch-type notice generation engine thinger
14:22 wizzyrea          well in my mind anyway
14:22 wizzyrea          where you drag and drop chunks of stuff
14:23 libsysguy         ^^
14:23 sekjal            at the very least, we need loops
14:23 sekjal            would be nice to have if/then, but I haven't seem a demand for it yet
14:25 wizzyrea          I don't think the way it works now is so limiting.
14:25 wizzyrea          I mean, it's a little limiting.
14:25 sekjal            a solid T:T editor, though, would allow us to actually edit the Koha templates themselves...
14:25 jcamins_away      Four of seven faceplates installed.
14:26 sekjal            though the first blocker to that is getting a standardized set of params for each page
14:26 jcamins_away      The other three are rather problematic.
14:26 sekjal            and not changing that between major versions
14:26 wizzyrea          uh oh
14:26 jcamins_away      But this is a start.
14:27 jcamins_away      I may end up needing to reterminate for two, alas. Stupid studs.
14:28 sekjal            okay, all, I've got to check out of my hotel, then cruise the exhibit hall
14:28 sekjal            [off] anyone have anything they want me to say to LibLime for them?
14:30 libsysguy         [off] *silence from all*
14:30 jcamins_away      [off] it gets very... bah, libsysguy beat me to it.
14:31 wizzyrea          you might remind them of this problem: http://valparaiso.pioneer.kohalibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl?viewshelf=2410&sortfield=author
14:31 wizzyrea          at least it doesn't show the server internals anymore.
14:31 wizzyrea          that's a step up.
14:31 sekjal            indeed
14:31 sekjal            only took what, 6 months?
14:32 wizzyrea          something like that, it's been that way since go-live
14:32 sekjal            [off] perhaps I could get a comment on the NZ trademark status...
14:33 wizzyrea          [off] ooh yes, you should ask about that
14:33 sekjal            k, gtg
14:33 wizzyrea          gl, have fun
14:33 jcamins_away      I don't want to reterminate. :(
14:33 sekjal            hopefully my train home tonight will have WiFi
14:33 sekjal            cheers, #koha
14:34 libsysguy         I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud
14:39 * wizzyrea        considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie.
14:44 cait              libsysguy: i think you could get access to that sandbox - at least to the interface
14:44 wizzyrea          cait - do you know which one they are using?
14:45 wizzyrea          (could you ask) :) <3 pretty please
14:47 cait              oh yes
14:47 cait              sorry
14:47 cait              was just reading back; I will ask paul
14:47 cait              sec
14:47 wizzyrea          no worries :)
14:49 libsysguy         cait was was actually thinking more along the lines of the log output
14:54 cait              not sure you need tht
14:54 cait              and wizzyrea will help you ;)
14:54 cait              wizzyrea: it's textbox 6
14:55 cait              wizzyrea: from looking at the screens I suspect it could be using record level itypes - could you check?
14:55 cait              perhaps if that makes a difference?
14:55 cait              she is going to show me an example now; I am going to write it down
14:56 slef              @quote add <libsysguy> I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud // * wizzyrea considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie.
14:56 huginn            slef: The operation succeeded.  Quote #193 added.
14:57 slef              @quote random
14:57 huginn            slef: Quote #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are librarians involved :P" (added by wizzyrea at 03:30 PM, February 28, 2012)
14:57 slef              wow, love that coincidence
14:59 mtj               is it just me, or are Paul's 'coding guidlines' examples identical, here...
14:59 mtj               http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-4-2012-02/
15:00 mtj               aah, whitespace :p
15:05 libsysguy         back -- in regards to that quote I was actaully poking fun at jcamins
15:08 wizzyrea          hm says 6 is bug 7291?
15:08 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7291 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , claims management improvement
15:09 wizzyrea          but, that one *is* unimarc
15:09 cait              yeah
15:09 cait              they are testing on unimarc :)
15:09 cait              are you scared now?
15:09 cait              :)
15:09 cait              so
15:09 wizzyrea          well no.
15:09 cait              ok
15:09 cait              it seems
15:09 cait              renewalperiodbase is broken generally
15:09 cait              what we did was
15:09 wizzyrea          libsysguy
15:09 wahanui           i think libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
15:09 cait              set renewalperiodbase to renew from the old due date
15:10 * wizzyrea        giggles
15:10 cait              so on renewal it should do old due date + loan period
15:10 cait              and it doesn't work
15:10 wizzyrea          OH
15:10 cait              neither on nr 6
15:10 wizzyrea          it's a syspref!
15:10 cait              nor on one wihtout hourly loans
15:10 cait              but it's abad
15:10 cait              it's bad
15:10 cait              and we need to fix it
15:10 wizzyrea          yes
15:10 wizzyrea          yes it is
15:10 cait              they are opening a bug
15:10 wizzyrea          so renewals are broken
15:10 wizzyrea          that's not-good
15:10 cait              wizzyrea: do you have a sec to check in marc21?
15:10 wizzyrea          sure
15:10 cait              that would be great
15:10 wizzyrea          i'm checking renewal?
15:11 cait              yes
15:11 wizzyrea          on master?
15:11 wizzyrea          check. on it.
15:11 cait              with different settings for renewalperiodbase
15:11 wizzyrea          *nod*
15:11 cait              great :)
15:11 cait              it might be related to item-level itypes... or even unimarc... but we should get that fixed
15:12 cait              textbox 3 I think is without hourly loans
15:13 cait              sandbox...
15:15 wizzyrea          so what is the bug?
15:16 cait              7803
15:16 cait              or do you mean what is not working about it?
15:17 wizzyrea          right - how exactly is it broken
15:17 wizzyrea          or I could just read the bug
15:17 wizzyrea          bug 7802
15:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7802 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , A MySQLism is used to get the current date.
15:17 wizzyrea          bug 7803
15:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7803 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Renewal : syspref RenewalPeriodBase "old due date of the checkout" doesn't work
15:21 cait              if you set it to renew from the old due date
15:21 cait              it should do : due date + loan period
15:21 cait              so even if you checked out something today
15:21 cait              it will push the date back another loan period
15:21 cait              but this seems not to be working any longer
15:21 cait              it stays on the same date
15:24 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7154 follow-up DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8705e18aa5d9fe3f59625d84ee6360645c28c1c4> / Bug 7154: Modification in borrower attributes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb35b608282e670e1bb07bf4cea324fc16b6ec90> / bug 7264: follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=13f553020ca8f032ee83d87d8cb780f13febadb9
15:24 * wizzyrea        tests again
15:26 wizzyrea          ok, mine updated
15:26 wizzyrea          was originally due
15:27 wizzyrea          3/23/2012
15:27 wahanui           6.48284207796698e-05
15:27 mbalmer           who knows tha C4:Aquisition.pm module and could test a patch?
15:27 wizzyrea          loan period is one day
15:27 wizzyrea          renewed with renewalbase set to old due date
15:27 wizzyrea          new due date is 3/24/2012
15:28 cait              yeah
15:28 cait              she showed me
15:28 cait              it IS broken on that database
15:28 cait              but where is the difference?
15:28 cait              :(
15:28 cait              it works for me too
15:28 cait              I just testd with biblio level itypes too
15:28 wizzyrea          no different?
15:29 wizzyrea          usedaysmode?
15:29 wizzyrea          maybe it has to do with holidays
15:29 wizzyrea          or weekends
15:29 wahanui           weekends are very silent
15:30 wizzyrea          let me make sure i'm using the very latest master
15:30 * wizzyrea        was not
15:31 wizzyrea          i mean, only 10 hours out of date or so
15:31 wizzyrea          but stille
15:31 wizzyrea          oh bless writeoffall
15:32 wizzyrea          OH!
15:32 wizzyrea          I did have it not work
15:32 wizzyrea          only on the very latest master
15:32 wizzyrea          something in the last day broke it
15:33 wizzyrea          cait
15:33 cait              here
15:33 jenkins_koha      Starting build #674 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:33 wizzyrea          I just replicated the problem
15:33 cait              !!!
15:33 cait              really?
15:33 wizzyrea          yes
15:33 cait              I can't :(
15:33 wizzyrea          I last pulled sometime yesterday afternoon
15:33 cait              so it must be very very recent?
15:33 wizzyrea          and just did a checkout, yea
15:34 wizzyrea          1s, I can show what was pulled
15:34 pastebot          "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "Already on 'master' remote: Co" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/316
15:36 cait              that update was weird
15:37 cait              ok
15:37 cait              I am latest latest master now
15:37 cait              which settings were broken for you?
15:38 wizzyrea          try them both
15:38 wizzyrea          wait.
15:38 wizzyrea          I wonder if this is a misunderstanding
15:38 wizzyrea          if you renew an item
15:38 wizzyrea          on the same day
15:39 wizzyrea          with it set to "the current date"
15:39 cait              nothing happens
15:39 wizzyrea          and if you renew an item
15:39 wizzyrea          on the same day
15:39 cait              because today + loan period is still the same loan period it was checked out with
15:39 wizzyrea          with it set to the old due date, it should hop forward
15:39 wizzyrea          no.
15:39 cait              that was what I thought
15:40 wizzyrea          old due date is *still the same day*
15:40 * wizzyrea        has to ponder
15:40 cait              draw it
15:40 cait              helped me :P
15:40 wizzyrea          brain's in knots
15:41 cait              I think: old due date - so tomorrow + 1 is ... day after tomorrow
15:41 cait              current date today... +1 is still tomorrow
15:41 cait              make sense?
15:41 cait              but I can't break it
15:41 wizzyrea          right, ok
15:42 wizzyrea          I can't break it either - because you're right
15:42 cait              :(
15:42 wizzyrea          checked out today + 1 day = 3/24
15:42 cait              that's bad
15:42 cait              I will ask paul
15:42 cait              perhaps there is something in the logs
15:42 oleonard          Okay... we broke display of holdings in the OPAC :(
15:42 cait              because I see it's wrong for her
15:42 wizzyrea          oh no!
15:42 cait              a day full of good news! ;)
15:44 wizzyrea          something in her rules?
15:44 wizzyrea          fine in days?
15:44 wizzyrea          no, that wouldn't have anything to do with it.
15:44 wizzyrea          what do her rules look like?
15:45 slef              @query svc
15:45 huginn            slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , svc API should allow creation and deletion of items
15:45 huginn            slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client
15:52 oleonard          Attention everyone, there was an error in something recently pushed
15:52 wizzyrea          yea?
15:52 wahanui           yea is probably better to not get attached to a specific koha version >.>
15:52 oleonard          paul_p will push a follow-up which will correct updatedatabase.pl
15:53 jcamins_away      libsysguy: they put the box directly over a stud so a coupler doesn't fit.
15:53 oleonard          We'll have to manually set back our KohaVersion preference after it is pushed so the database can catch up
15:53 wizzyrea          oki
15:53 wizzyrea          just say when the fix is pushed
15:55 wizzyrea          brr. I'm cold.
15:55 wizzyrea          @wunder 66049
15:55 huginn            wizzyrea: The current temperature in Near Free State High, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.7°C (10:54 AM CDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
15:55 wizzyrea          bit chilly.
15:56 wizzyrea          omg, love bug 7804
15:56 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add Koha Plugin System
15:56 wizzyrea          love love love
15:56 paul_p            follow-up for bug 7310 pushed
15:56 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
15:56 wizzyrea          ty paul
16:00 oleonard          And database fix pushed too
16:00 wizzyrea          so all we do
16:00 wizzyrea          is set it back to... 33?
16:00 wizzyrea          or 32?
16:01 oleonard          31 at least I think
16:01 slef              "Consequently, ModBiblio() is not to be used to try to modify item records." That's nice, perldoc. Please can someone remind me what is?
16:01 wizzyrea          moditem?
16:02 slef              looks like ModItemFromMarc
16:02 slef              so partial credit, wizzyrea ;)
16:02 wizzyrea          :)
16:03 wizzyrea          oleonard what's the symptom of the problem?
16:03 oleonard          The symptom I noticed: display of holdings disappeared from opac-detail.pl
16:04 oleonard          wizzyrea, did you notice your KohaVersion pref had a strange number?
16:04 slef              hrmph, ModItemFromMarc wants itemnumber. So where do I get that from?
16:04 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7310 follow-up : typo fix lt instead of < in DB version comparison <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6751749a68c3d7dfc31259ea4fe2e0b7a13df2a> / Bug 7769 - members/pay.pl: $template scoping for plack <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4eeb14c52b44ea431aa23c736d8450a023b78faf> / Bug 5841: Routing slip not displaying publication date <http://git.koha-community.o
16:05 slef              @marc 952
16:05 wahanui           The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
16:05 huginn            slef: unknown tag 952
16:05 slef              yay, 952$9
16:09 mbalmer           bug 7806
16:09 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7806 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Illegal dates are used to signal non existing dates.
16:10 * slef            sighs as svc/bib doesn't send 952 tags
16:10 * slef            kicks it about a bit
16:11 mbalmer           DBQ changed to use a more obvious example, while there we changed SHOW COLUMNS FROM to use $dbh->column_info.
16:17 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #674: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/674/
16:17 jenkins_koha      * adrien.saurat: Bug 7778: fixes creation of a new server
16:17 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7746: "No Public Lists." not translatable.
16:17 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7738: "Display more constraints' in subfield configuraiton is not properly translatable
16:17 jenkins_koha      * m.de.rooy: Bug 7732: Restoring "More lists" in the Add-to combo of OPAC Search Results
16:17 jenkins_koha      * jonathan.druart: Bug 5180: FIX autocomplete on overdues report
16:17 jenkins_koha      * oleonard: Bug 5482 - Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names
16:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7778 blocker, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Not possible to add new z39.50 servers
16:17 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5482: Update colums.def file
16:17 jenkins_koha      * oleonard: Bug 5482 [Follow up] Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names
16:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7746 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , In staff 'No public lists.' is not translatable
16:17 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 7714 translating letters in fr-FR to french
16:17 jenkins_koha      * srdjan: bug_7264: [SIGNED-OFF] Branch popup on OPAC detail.Added opac_info field to branches table.
16:17 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: bug 7264: follow-up DBRev number
16:17 jenkins_koha      * jonathan.druart: Bug 7154: Modification in borrower attributes
16:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7738 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, "Display more constraints" in subfield configuraton is not properly translatable
16:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7732 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Restoring "More lists" in the Add-to combo of OPAC Search Results
16:17 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 7154 follow-up DBRev
16:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5180 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Autocomplete broken on overdues report
16:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5482 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names
16:17 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7714 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , sample_notices.sql translated to french
16:18 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Display information about library on OPAC detail
16:18 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7154 enhancement, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Group borrower attributes and link between patron category and attribute
16:18 jenkins_koha      Starting build #675 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:22 paul_p            i'm about to push bug 5549 ;-)
16:22 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Passed QA , Hourly Loans
16:22 jcamins_away      paul_p: you waited until *after* libsysguy left? That's just cruel!
16:23 * slef            cheers as he squashes the bug
16:24 cait              lol
16:24 cait              woohoo
16:24 cait              :)
16:24 cait              I belive paul wants to qa 7760 next
16:25 cait              right, paul_p? :)
16:25 jcamins_away      bug 7760
16:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton
16:25 paul_p            cait = if you promize to vote "yes" to the icon-ed mainpage :D :D
16:25 cait              I can't
16:25 cait              I don't like any icons
16:26 cait              it's not only those icons - I am against any icons
16:26 cait              :)
16:26 cait              but I can stay silent... maybe
16:26 cait              I still think doing a small change with some colors and things will be enough
16:26 * slef            sulks as the more complex test fails
16:26 cait              everything else is breaking too much with the existing layout
16:26 cait              even if it's shiny
16:26 mbalmer           icons are great if you use touchscreens, think of selfcheckouts e.g.
16:27 cait              yeah, but not in this context
16:27 cait              I mean, it#s not about touchscreens here
16:27 cait              and big buttons work too
16:27 jcamins_away      Okay, I have found a way around reterminating any Cat6a jacks at this time.
16:31 slef              Terminator 3
16:31 slef              wahanui: coding guidelines?
16:31 wahanui           coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
17:01 chris_n           so what do ya'll think about having a branch-local category of sysprefs?
17:01 chris_n           hourly++
17:01 * wizzyrea        thinks it could be handy
17:01 * chris_n         assumes that also means hourly fines?
17:01 kmkale            its eaten with hot "Tup" which is clarified butter
17:01 wizzyrea          yummmm
17:02 kmkale            yup
17:03 chris_n           sounds good
17:03 sean              in order for zebra functionality to work, does there need to be any type of service running?  trying to figure out why i can't get any search results from the webpage.  i already ran rebuild
17:03 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #675: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/675/
17:03 jenkins_koha      * adrien.saurat: Bug 6125: repairs dateaccessioned plugin
17:03 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5841: Routing slip not displaying publication date
17:03 jenkins_koha      * dpavlin: Bug 7769 - members/pay.pl: $template scoping for plack
17:03 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 7310 follow-up : typo fix lt instead of < in DB version comparison
17:03 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6125 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Plugin for date acquired does not work on ACQ framework
17:03 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Routing slip not displaying publication date
17:03 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7769 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , members/pay.pl: $template scoping for plack
17:03 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
17:03 jenkins_koha      Starting build #676 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:04 kmkale            sean run rebuild_zebra.pl with a cronjob
17:05 wizzyrea          searching faq?
17:05 wahanui           i guess searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
17:05 wizzyrea          sean, see &&
17:05 wizzyrea          ^^*
17:06 wizzyrea          are you using the packages or a tarball install?
17:06 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #676: FAILURE in 2 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/676/
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Allow hourly loans to be indicated in the loan rules
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add a timezone object to C4::Context
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add DateUtils Module
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Due Date calculation in issue needs to be HH:MM aware
17:06 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Hourly Loans
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Koha::Calendar allow negative offset to addDate
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Pass time_zone correctly
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Get basic 24 Hr loan working
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : GetPendingIssues now returns duedate as a DateTime object
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Need a testscript for rolling loans
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Tests For Koha::DateUtils
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Koha directory to testcritic
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Merge old and new DateUtils tests
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : DateUtils handling odd cases
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Handle datetimes on return
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Only use DateTime for issues table
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : GetPendingIssues now returns DateTime objects
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : overdues display should be hours mins aware
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Cannot use CUR_DATE on date_due column
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Format date with hh:mm in branchoverdues
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : DateUtils add subroutine format_sqldatetime
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549: Formatting duedates in catalogue scripts
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Duedate formatting : reserves and opac
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Format Date in ILSDI::Services to include hhmm
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add days_between method to Koha::Calendar
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix calculation of duedates in fines.pl and advance_notices.pl
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : replace curdate with now in a couple of sql lines
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Let Timestamp do the right thing if passed a DateTime
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Sip scripts should handle dt due dates
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Overdues : Handle some date comparison and display issues
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add script to convert issue_dates
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Extra Perl Dependencies
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix a couple of date issues from testing
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Add Returned, checkout out time to Patron Circ History
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Show time due in opac-detail
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix typo in renewscript
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Make Koha::Calendar testable
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Koha::Calendar needs to accept scalar add_durations
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Calendar needed a change array_ref to hash_ref
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : move rollingloans.t to db_dependent tests
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Don't confuse the users with an irrelevant time
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Format due dates in opac
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 Fix a couple of comparisons in C4::Circulation
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : circ/returns needs to import DateUtils
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Daily loans should be due at 23:59
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : returns calling wrong format routine on date
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Fix 'specify due date'
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Koha::Calendar::addDate should not loop on -1
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : use DateUtils routine for formatting sql date
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : Refactor fines.pl
17:06 jenkins_koha      * colin.campbell: Bug 5549 : CalcFine was corrupting due date
17:06 jenkins_koha      * Chris Cormack: Bug 6430 - DB changes needed to support hourly circ
17:06 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6430 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED WONTFIX, DB changes needed for Hourly Circulation
17:06 jenkins_koha      * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 - Hourly Loans - Fixing a typo
17:07 jenkins_koha      * tdavis: Bug 5549 : Fixed bracketing error
17:07 jenkins_koha      * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 - Another typo fix
17:07 jenkins_koha      * tdavis: Bug 5549 : added select option in circ rules for unit
17:07 jenkins_koha      * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed typo
17:07 jenkins_koha      * tdavis: Bug 5549 : added dropdown for new rule
17:07 jenkins_koha      * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed save in smart-rules
17:07 jenkins_koha      * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed clone issue in moremember
17:07 jenkins_koha      * tdavis: Bug 5549 : Fixing the opac-pref
17:07 jenkins_koha      * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 : Fixing link to calendar
17:07 jenkins_koha      * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed datetime issue so time is shown in output for circulation.pl and moremember.pl
17:07 jenkins_koha      * tdavis: Bug 5549 : fixed non-cloned date object in Add date for calendar, also removed erounous dumper in moremember.pl that dumped entire issue
17:07 jenkins_koha      * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 : Fixing typo in C4/Circulation.pm
17:07 jenkins_koha      * Chris Cormack: Bug 5549 :  _FixFineDaysOnReturn was using C4::Dates in calling
17:07 jenkins_koha      * root: Bug 5549 : fixed undefined subroutine format_date in circ/returns.pl by adding full path of C4::Dates::format_date()
17:07 jenkins_koha      * koha.sekjal: Bug 5549 Followup: fix suspension in days
17:07 jenkins_koha      * adrien.saurat: Bug 7737: applies date filters on vendor pages
17:07 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7737 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Use of date filters on bookseller pages
17:07 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: bug 5549: follow-up DBRev number
17:08 sean              yeah, i checked all the faq stuff.  i have the correct env variables and no zebra processes are running.  zebra is installed.  yet, nothing comes up in the search
17:08 libsysguy         uh oh
17:08 chris_n           sean: do 'ps -ef | grep zebra'
17:08 libsysguy         hourly killed jenkins
17:08 chris_n           opps
17:08 chris_n           should have read first... :P
17:09 sean              no zebra processes at all.  is there supposed to be one?
17:09 wizzyrea          jcamins: http://video.about.com/indianfood/How-to-Make-Coconut-Barfi--Coconut-Fudge-.htm
17:09 sean              that fudge looks good
17:09 gmcharlt          sean: zebrasrv, at least
17:09 kmkale            sean: you must rin zebra server first
17:10 sean              that's my original problem: i can't get the zebra server to run
17:10 wizzyrea          sorry sean I think I misunderstood your problem
17:10 sean              not even from the command line
17:10 wizzyrea          I thought you weren't getting *updates*
17:10 wizzyrea          that's my bad sorry >.<
17:10 sean              it stops short of giving it a pid, when i run from the command line
17:10 sean              np :)
17:10 kmkale            I run it like this :
17:10 kmkale            KOHA_CONF=/home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/kk/kohaclone /home/kk/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh start
17:10 kmkale            KOHA_CONF=/home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/kk/kohaclone /home/kk/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z
17:11 sekjal            hey, all.  got my ducks in a nice row, and can squeeze in most of one more session at CiL before heading home
17:11 sekjal            open source trends and migrations
17:11 sekjal            should be fun
17:11 kmkale            go sekjal :)
17:12 sean              kmkale: when i run koha-zebra-ctl.sh like that, nothing happens... just get a prompt again
17:12 sekjal            given that one of the presenters just migrated to faux-pen source, I figured it might be handy to have another perspective in the room
17:13 kmkale            yah but the ps aux|grep zebra should show a zebra server running
17:13 wizzyrea          sekjal: who's that
17:13 wahanui           that is failed qa
17:13 sean              checking...
17:13 kmkale            sean have you installed zebraserv ?
17:13 wizzyrea          forget that
17:13 wahanui           wizzyrea: I forgot that
17:13 sean              not running
17:13 kmkale            have you installed the pkg?
17:13 sekjal            librarian from Crowell Public in CA
17:13 sean              i'm pretty sure i installed it... what's the package name?
17:13 sekjal            (california, not canada)
17:14 bag               @wunder 93109
17:14 huginn            bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.9°C (10:13 AM PDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
17:14 kmkale            ii  idzebra-2.0                              2.0.44-3                                   IDZebra metapackage (the works)
17:14 sean              indexdata, right?
17:15 maximep           @wunder cyqb
17:15 huginn            maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is 15.0°C (1:00 PM EDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
17:15 maximep           o_O
17:15 sean              kmkale: definitely installed that
17:15 kmkale            if yes then check the location of where zebrasrv lives mine is at ZEBRASRV=/usr/bin/zebrasrv
17:15 sean              checking...
17:15 kmkale            and check if its correct in koha-zebra-ctl.sh
17:16 paul_p            noone should worry of jenkins build failed, it's because of a missing package rangi will probably add very soon (DateTime/Format/DateParse.pm)
17:18 sekjal            paul_p:  ah, I had installed that earlier while testing something I later scraped... that's why it slipped through on my machine
17:18 sean              kmkale: hell, the shell file says ZEBRASRV=/zebrasrv.  doh
17:18 kmkale            hah thats your problem right there :)
17:18 * slef            is unreasonably happy with bug 7729
17:18 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , svc API should allow modification of items
17:18 Morthland         Howdy,
17:18 slef              hi Morthland
17:19 Morthland         My kohaadmin wont let me add items to batches anymore
17:19 Morthland         It is set to single-branch mode
17:19 Morthland         I'm sure I changed some setting
17:19 Morthland         how do I fix?
17:19 wizzyrea          add items to what kind of batches?
17:20 wizzyrea          the first question?
17:20 wahanui           i think the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:20 wizzyrea          the second question?
17:20 wahanui           somebody said the second question was "What is the exact error message?"
17:20 Morthland         label creater
17:20 Morthland         let me reprodduce
17:20 chris_n           the third question?
17:20 wahanui           the third question is, like, "What version of Koha are you using?"
17:20 Morthland         An error was encountered and items(s) not added, the error was: Branch is not set, you please set your branch before adding items to a batch Please have your system administrator check the error log for details.
17:20 Morthland         I go to set branch
17:20 wizzyrea          ok, do you have another superlibrarian
17:21 wizzyrea          because you can't do that kind of stuff with your kohaadmin
17:21 Morthland         Single Branch mode is ON.
17:21 wizzyrea          you should NEVER use that
17:21 wizzyrea          account.
17:21 wahanui           account is not debarred
17:21 wizzyrea          forget account.
17:21 wahanui           wizzyrea: I forgot account
17:21 Morthland         what?
17:21 wizzyrea          morthland
17:21 wahanui           i guess morthland is reading the history
17:22 kmkale            I am really happy with bug 7698. Is there any chance it can pich the default locale and put it in the xml file?
17:22 wizzyrea          you should never ever use the kohaadmin account to do stuff
17:22 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7698 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Add ICU option to Koha out of the box
17:22 sean              kmkale: should i use zebrasrv or zebrasrv-2.0?
17:22 kmkale            I always had to apply that by hand to all my installs
17:22 Morthland         what account shoul I use?
17:22 bag               dpavlin++  I'm loving seeing all those plack bugs/enh  :)  w00t
17:22 kmkale            sean: that should be a symlink
17:22 wizzyrea          you should always create another user, give that user the  home branch and superlibrarian permissions
17:22 wizzyrea          and use that account
17:22 wizzyrea          you add another account by adding a patron, then going to more -> permissions
17:22 wizzyrea          and checking "superlibrarian"
17:23 sean              the symlink is zebrasrv.  i noticed a file called zebrasrv-2.0 in there, though
17:23 kmkale            I think its setup through /etc/alternatives/ during pkg installation
17:24 kmkale            use zebrasrv. should work
17:24 sean              cool.  trying it out...
17:27 sean              success :)  thanks ya'll
17:27 sekjal            yes, dpavlin++ indeed
17:27 sekjal            I'll try running my home library under mod_perl, and see if I can flush a few more of the bugs out
17:27 Morthland         I don't see more>>permissions on my patron
17:27 Morthland         running 3.2.5
17:28 bag               yeah sekjal that would great!
17:29 bag               let me know if you don't have time.  I think I can set up two installs on mybox and have one plack and one mod_perl
17:29 sekjal            bag:  I've already got the configs in my koha-httpd.conf; just need to turn them on
17:29 bag               I'll give you the keys to the mod_perl one and maybe we can spend sometime together looking for mod_perl issues
17:29 sekjal            oh, right, and populate my install....
17:29 sekjal            bag: that'd be sweet
17:29 bag               heh..  send me the configs - and I can throw some sample data at it
17:30 bag               shouldn't be crazy amounts - but it would be fix to get some little tweaks for mod_perl completed :)
17:30 bag               SPEED!!!
17:30 wahanui           speed is important however.
17:31 sean              huh.  i ran the command to start zebrasrv, it said starting server... but there is no process
17:31 sekjal            even if you could just get the OPAC running on it, that'd be boss
17:31 kmkale            sean run it manually then
17:31 kmkale            not with daemon
17:31 sekjal            okay, session is getting started
17:31 sekjal            lessee how this goes
17:31 kmkale            it will show you where its getting errors
17:33 jenkins_koha      Starting build #677 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #675 1 hr 14 min ago)
17:33 sean              same thing as before... the last thing it prints to the screen is authoritysocket id=2.  it stops short of giving it a pid
17:34 paul_p            OK guys, I think i've pushed maybe 30 patches today, time for my family now ;-)
17:34 sekjal            have a great night, paul_p!
17:34 kmkale            sean: /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
17:35 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6140 follow-up: DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=35279926b3865b003c6bd01d5c5378addfa903a9> / Bug 6140 - Set a timeout to z3950 servers that could have network problems occasionally <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=21b3f8a7bfe149925a0dc9331ca1935593a4b6e5> / Bug 7779 - tools/letter.pl: scope vars for plack <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?
17:35 rangi             !jenkins build Koha_master now
17:35 jenkins_koha      rangi: job Koha_master build scheduled now
17:36 sean              12:35:10-22/03 [server] Adding dynamic listener on none,fatal,warn id=0
17:36 sean              12:35:10-22/03 [fatal] Failed to listen on none,fatal,warn
17:37 kmkale            huh. try /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v  -f /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
17:37 sean              12:37:22-22/03 [server] Adding dynamic listener on /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml id=0
17:38 sean              12:37:22-22/03 [fatal] Failed to listen on /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
17:38 sekjal            hey, ByWater is on one of Marshall's slides as part of the competitive landscape of the US library industry
17:38 bag               cool :)
17:38 bag               about time :)
17:39 sekjal            liblime koha and liblime academic koha are broken out as separate software, at last
17:39 rangi             yay!
17:40 sekjal            "numbers are respectable, it's a piece of the industy, a growing part of how libraries do automation"
17:40 rangi             wow thats an about face
17:41 rangi             from there is no trend
17:42 sekjal            he's willing to be swayed by the data he collects
17:42 sekjal            "koha as supported by ByWater Solutions is doing very well"
17:43 rangi             so is koha independent, i hope he mentions that .. because thats the real success of a project .. the ppl who can do it themselves .. imho
17:43 slef              and the people who do it with a mix of service providers
17:43 slef              which we're doing more and more
17:43 rangi             yeah thats cool
17:43 slef              (including internal+external)
17:43 slef              Marshall's numbers remain unverifiable.
17:44 slef              Unless something's changed?
17:44 sekjal            points out the migration from LibLime to ByWater and Independent
17:44 sekjal            but as for independent Koha, he's says most US libraries get help from a company, so he doesn't mention it very prominently
17:44 bag               nothing has changed slef
17:44 rangi             yeah we now have a public library who does their own upgrades via packages
17:44 rangi             which is pretty cool
17:44 bag               hey that's cool
17:44 slef              I'm a statistician, so I don't trust secret datasets or methodologies much.
17:45 bag               :)
17:45 rangi             im a mathematician so i dont trust statisticians much *grin*
17:46 sekjal            talking about satisfaction:  "koha from liblime is pretty low"
17:46 rangi             actually i lie, i actually did about as many stats as pure math papers at  uni
17:46 bag               is nengard there?
17:47 sekjal            bag: she didn't want to come
17:47 sekjal            slef: haven't seen marshall's raw data, no, but I haven't looked in depth
17:48 rangi             @wunder nzwn
17:48 huginn            rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (6:00 AM NZDT on March 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
17:49 rangi             go away humidity
17:49 chris_n           @wunder 28334
17:49 huginn            chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 25.0°C (1:35 PM EDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
17:49 slef              sekjal: now you're not at a vendor, maybe marshall would let you see the data. I don't know.
17:49 rangi             nz are sposta be losing to south africa at cricket in wellington today
17:50 sekjal            slef: could be worth asking.  do it as an academic librarian... could work
17:53 * rangi           is very happy about bug 7760
17:53 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton
17:54 sekjal            marshall is estimating from 15-30 full time (equivalent) developers in the Koha sphere
17:55 rangi             i think thats about right
17:55 sekjal            seems reasonable... only real way to do the comparison with proprietary companies, i think
17:56 slef              rangi: you reckon? Seems low to me. I think up to half of any LMS's development effort is site-specific integration work.
17:57 rangi             fulltime devs? yeah i think round 20 is about right in a given month
17:58 slef              rangi: yeah, but that's in the community code, not the whole sphere
17:58 rangi             but if you want to count ppl doing implementation probbaly 40ish
18:00 rangi             i mean you dont get 256 migrations in a year in the philippines
18:00 rangi             without a few ppl working on
18:00 rangi             it
18:00 sean              i have searched everywhere and tried many things, but i can't figure this out.  when i try to start zebrasrv, is " Failed to listen on..."  does anybody have any insight?
18:00 rangi             when i was asked about it, i was asked how many would i estimate were committing code to the git repo on a full time basis
18:01 rangi             so thats how i answered
18:01 slef              sean: second question
18:01 wahanui           somebody said second question was "What is the exact error message?"
18:01 rangi             it specifically didnt count implementers
18:01 sean              oh.  i posted it earlier.  one sec
18:02 slef              sean: "netstat -apn" as root may show something else listening on one of the zebrasrv ports
18:02 slef              sean: oh I'll look back
18:02 slef              "Failed to listen on /home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml"
18:02 slef              that's odd
18:03 slef              koha-conf.xml is a config file, not a port
18:03 * slef            looks at his server
18:03 sean              yup.  and i ran it with just -v -f
18:03 slef              sean: why aren't you using koha-zebra-ctl.sh ?
18:03 sekjal            .... LL customer speaking now is confusing "Koha" and "LibLime" unconsciously in her speech
18:04 sekjal            but does recognize that it is proprietary, not open source
18:04 slef              sekjal: :(
18:04 sean              because the shell was crashing with nothing to show
18:04 slef              sean: then try: sh -x koha-zebra-ctl.sh start # and put the output into http://paste.koha-community.org
18:04 sean              when i ran the shell script, it would say "starting server" but there would be no process
18:05 sean              will do
18:05 rangi             sekjal: can you heckle? :)
18:05 slef              although actually zebrasrv -f should work OK :-/
18:05 * slef            rereads back
18:05 sekjal            quesitons at the end... I have to catch a train soon
18:05 rangi             oe at least say :You are only talking about liblime eh?"
18:05 sekjal            now she's badmouthing the system
18:05 sean              slef: right
18:05 rangi             yeah, thats where it needs to be clear its not koha
18:06 jcamins_away      wizzyrea: coconut barfi is amazing.
18:06 kmkale            sean try with your  env vars on the same line like : KOHA_CONF=/home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/home/kk/kohaclone /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /home/kk/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml
18:07 slef              jcamins_away: coconut barf???
18:07 kmkale            thats working for me
18:07 jcamins_away      *barfi*
18:07 slef              kmkale: zebrasrv ignores the env vars doesn't it?
18:07 kmkale            it will either show you the error or run the zebra server
18:07 jcamins_away      Very big difference.
18:07 rangi             sekjal: *sigh* hopefully the people listening understand the distinction
18:07 slef              Barfi or burfi (Hindi: बर्फ़ी, Urdu: برفی), is a sweet from the Indian subcontinent. Plain barfi is made from condensed milk, cooked with sugar until it solidifies. Other varieties include besan barfi, made with besan (gram flour), and pista barfi, which is a milk barfi containing ground pistachio nuts. The name is derived from Persian barf which means ice since burfi is... http://a.vu/w:Barfi
18:07 kmkale            slef: I just tried that command. without the env it gives exact same error as sean got
18:08 kmkale            with the env it runs
18:08 slef              kmkale: something wicked this way comes!
18:08 pastebot          "sean" at 68.100.195.65 pasted "zebra server: failed to listen on" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/317
18:08 kmkale            hey barfi, puranpoli
18:08 kmkale            today #koha is full of our sweets!!
18:09 sekjal            did my corrections
18:09 sekjal            got to pack up and go
18:09 rangi             thank you sekjal
18:09 slef              sekjal thanks!
18:09 rangi             safe travels
18:09 sean              kmkale: giving it a shot
18:09 bag               safe travels sekjal
18:10 jcamins_away      Mmmm. Puranpoli looks tasty.
18:10 sekjal            okay, now we're on to "what's Koha"
18:10 sekjal            oh geeze
18:10 kmkale            jcamins_away: come over. its on my menu tomorrow :)
18:10 rangi             yikes
18:10 rangi             that doesnt sound good
18:10 sekjal            LL rep said that it's all open, but that you can't download LibLime Academic Koha
18:10 sekjal            so... little cognitive dissonance there
18:11 sekjal            ugh.  gtg.  train
18:11 jcamins_away      kmkale: oooh, wish I could.
18:11 sean              kmkale: got a permission denied.  huh
18:11 sean              13:11:00-22/03 [fatal] lock file /home/koha/koha-dev/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [Permission denied]
18:12 chris_n           search?
18:12 wahanui           search is for the patrons not the librarians
18:12 chris_n           zebra?
18:12 wahanui           zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
18:12 chris_n           zebra faq?
18:12 chris_n           search faq?
18:12 wahanui           search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
18:12 kmkale            sean: check perms on the full path upto /home/koha/koha-dev/var/lock/zebradb/biblios
18:12 kmkale            and hope you are running the command as koha user?
18:12 data_doctor       zebra has poor documentation
18:12 sean              yup, just starting.  odd.  i did the whole installation from the koha super user
18:13 data_doctor       on its site
18:13 kmkale            as super user?
18:13 kmkale            then the perms might be for root. check
18:13 sean              a user called "koha" with sudo
18:13 sean              haven't logged in as root since i first installed the server
18:14 kmkale            did you do install with sudo <command>?
18:14 sean              yup, from the koha user
18:14 kmkale            aah check the ownership of the above path
18:15 slef              chris_n: enjoying groping wahanui?
18:15 sean              bah.  root owns koha-dev
18:15 kmkale            :)
18:15 kmkale            sean for a dev install no need to use sudo
18:15 rangi             ok time to feed the kids, back from the bus in a bit
18:15 sean              i feel like i missed a "check the damn cables" step in troubleshooting
18:16 * jcamins_away    eats some regular bitter orange fudge as a consolation for not having coconut barfi.
18:16 sean              off the top of your head, before i ask allmighty google, can i recursively change the ownership of koha-dev?
18:17 jcamins_away      Yes.
18:17 kmkale            sean: yup
18:17 sean              been away from linux for a while
18:17 kmkale            chown -R
18:17 jcamins_away      chown -R sean:sean ~/koha-dev
18:17 slef              chown -R user:group ~/koha-dev
18:17 kmkale            aahh I think he is using the koha user?
18:17 sean              rog.  thanks
18:18 jcamins_away      sean: right, whichever user you are running Koha as.
18:19 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #677: NOW UNSTABLE in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/677/
18:19 jenkins_koha      * dpavlin: Bug 7768 - acqui/z3950_search.pl: remove sub displayresults to fix plack scoping
18:19 jenkins_koha      * dpavlin: Bug 7767 - acqui/basketgroup.pl: our $template scoping for plack
18:19 jenkins_koha      * dpavlin: Bug 7765 - labels/label-edit-layout.pl: plack $layout scoping
18:19 jenkins_koha      * f.demians: SIGNED-OFF Bug 7590 Cataloging authorities search result page is broken
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all acquisitions pages
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all authorities pages
18:19 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7768 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , acqui/z3950_search.pl: remove sub displayresults to fix scoping
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all administration pages
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (cart)
18:19 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7767 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , acqui/basketgroup.pl: our $template scoping
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (batch, error)
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (catalog)
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (cataloguing)
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (circulation)
18:19 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7765 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , label-edit-layout.pl $layout scoping for plack #20
18:19 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7590 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Cataloging authorities search result page is broken
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (lists, suggestion, z39.50)
18:19 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (patrons)
18:19 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton
18:20 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (serials)
18:20 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (tools)
18:20 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (patroncard, labels)
18:20 jenkins_koha      * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (reports, ...)
18:20 jenkins_koha      * dpavlin: Bug 7779 - tools/letter.pl: scope vars for plack
18:20 jenkins_koha      * juan.sieira: Bug 6140 - Set a timeout to z3950 servers that could have network problems occasionally
18:20 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: bug 6140 follow-up: DBRev number
18:20 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , tools/letter.pl: scope vars for plack
18:20 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6140 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, juan.sieira, Pushed to Master , Set a timeout to z3950 servers that could have network problems occasionally
18:20 jenkins_koha      Starting build #678 for job Koha_master (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #675 2 hr 1 min ago)
18:22 sean              kmkale: the process showed up.  sigh.  looks like it was a permission issue the whole time.  i suppose this is a good issue to have when getting back into linux.  i checked everything BUT that
18:24 kmkale            sean: heh. perms get you many times
18:24 kmkale            even if you work on linux full time
18:24 kmkale            but you had the zebrasrb path prob in the sh file too
18:24 kmkale            anyway glad its solved for you :)
18:25 jcamins_away      sean: I have probably installed Koha in dev mode several dozen times now.
18:25 jcamins_away      Can you guess how many times I've been tripped up by that?
18:26 jcamins_away      (hint: not quite as many times as I've installed Koha in dev mode, but pretty close)
18:26 jcamins_away      :)
18:27 kmkale            :)
18:27 sean              hmmm.  my librarian still says that searching is not working.  guess i'm still in troubleshooting mode
18:27 jcamins_away      sean: now you have to reindex.
18:27 kmkale            sean: now run the rebuild_zebra.pl
18:28 jcamins_away      misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v
18:28 sean              i already did before the servgice was running.  should i do it again?
18:28 kmkale            whith your env of koha_conf and perl5lib exported :)
18:28 jcamins_away      sean: if the permissions were wrong, the reindex probably didn't actually work successfully.
18:28 sean              i also still need to do the cronjob
18:28 kmkale            sean: yes
18:28 sean              ah, jcamins, good point
18:32 sean              no success, after rebuild.  i wonder if i jacked up the perms on the zebra db as well
18:32 sean              is that where the index is stored?
18:33 jcamins_away      sean: it should be in ~/koha-dev/var/lib
18:33 kmkale            sean: for a dev install the db is also under koha-dev
18:35 sean              then that shouldn't be a problem, since i changed the ownership of the whole directory
18:35 jcamins_away      Right.
18:39 sean              nothing is coming up in the "search catalog".  strange.  i'm still poking around
18:39 sean              i do have some stuff popping up in the error log, though...
18:40 jcamins_away      sean: what's in the error log?
18:40 sean              [Thu Mar 22 13:37:15 2012] [error] [client 68.100.195.65] [Thu Mar 22 13:37:15 2012] Context.pm: could not find ParserDetails.ini in /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/XML/SAX, referer: http://108.166.82.181:8080/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=pagan
18:41 jcamins_away      Okay, you're missing some dependencies.
18:41 jcamins_away      Run...
18:41 jcamins_away      koha_perl_deps.pl -m
18:41 sean              i tried to load all the sax packages i could, earlier
18:41 sean              k. running...
18:41 wizzyrea          or more -> about koha -> perl modules
18:42 jcamins_away      wizzyrea: oh, good thought.
18:42 wizzyrea          sometimes it happens :)
18:43 sean              where is that perl script?
18:43 jcamins_away      kohaclone.
18:43 wizzyrea          just do it through the web interface: more -> about koha -> perl modules
18:43 jcamins_away      But wizzyrea's suggestion is probably better.
18:43 wizzyrea          should show you what you're missing
18:43 wizzyrea          less worrying about env that way :P
18:44 sekjal            made my train
18:44 jcamins_away      sekjal: yay!
18:44 jcamins_away      And there's wifi!
18:44 sean              oh.  you said that, but i wasn't following.  i'm just a computer guy.  i know very little about koha :)
18:44 sekjal            indeed... though kind of spotty wifi
18:44 wizzyrea          ah we were all there once :)
18:44 jcamins_away      Except me. I was there twice.
18:44 jcamins_away      :)
18:44 wizzyrea          well, you're the exception.
18:45 wizzyrea          kekeke
18:45 jcamins_away      Yes. I learned to use Koha 3.0 way back, then forgot everything, and had to start over with 3.2.
18:45 wizzyrea          oh that doesn't count really.
18:45 rangi             Back
18:45 wizzyrea          wb
18:46 * wizzyrea        ponders the cinnamon sweet rolls in the kitchen
18:46 jcamins_away      Oooh.
18:46 jcamins_away      I want cinnamon sweet rolls.
18:46 kmkale            wizzyrea: you are really on food today :)
18:46 wizzyrea          every day!
18:46 wahanui           somebody said every day was a koha hackfest here at Catalyst :D
18:46 wizzyrea          more or less :)
18:46 wizzyrea          sorry, that should read *coconut* sweet rolls
18:46 jcamins_away      wahanui: every day is also a good day to talk about food
18:46 wahanui           okay, jcamins_away.
18:47 sean              it says i have all the sax modules
18:47 jcamins_away      wizzyrea: ooooooooooooooohhhhh!
18:47 wizzyrea          did you edit your parserdetails.ini to put the right sax parser at the bottom?
18:47 rangi             Ohh anitsirk did another sign off
18:47 sean              probably not :)  i found a post about that, but i'm not certain at all if i did the correct edit
18:47 wizzyrea          it's in the install.debian
18:48 wizzyrea          have we established if you were doing a package install or a regular one/
18:48 * wizzyrea        was at lunch didn't see all of it
18:48 sean              git
18:48 wizzyrea          kk
18:48 rangi             I did a patch to make that not necessary
18:48 wizzyrea          http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=c423473e3738410b02d144ff3d07ce8d429a0ec2;hb=HEAD#l130
18:48 wizzyrea          oooo
18:48 wizzyrea          we should update the instructions then.
18:49 wizzyrea          rangi- we don't need to do that parserdetails.ini edit *at all* anymore?
18:49 libsysguy         man bug 5339 went out of date again
18:49 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Parcel closing in acq
18:49 wizzyrea          instructions regarding that can go away
18:50 wizzyrea          (just making sure I understand)
18:50 rangi             I don't think it was pushed I remember some trolly egg who works for a,logs competitor being an egg
18:50 sean              i edited parser earlier.  i put expatxs at the bottom, not knowing any better
18:50 wizzyrea          no, that's wrong
18:50 rangi             Koha competitor
18:50 sean              in retrospect, i probably jacked up the entire file
18:50 wizzyrea          naw
18:50 wizzyrea          sean - see that link?
18:51 rangi             And I gave up arguing
18:51 wizzyrea          it tells you exactly what the end of the file should look like
18:51 sean              yup, saw it.  about to implement :)
18:51 wizzyrea          great :)
18:51 jcamins_away      What do eggs have to do with anything?
18:51 * jcamins_away    totally failed at following that conversation.
18:51 rangi             Ill see if I can resurrect
18:51 wizzyrea          I think rangi is replacing swearwords with eggs
18:51 * wizzyrea        uses shampoo.
18:51 jcamins_away      Ohhh.
18:51 wizzyrea          trolly shampoo sounds like a godsend
18:51 jcamins_away      That makes sense. :)
18:52 rangi             Hehe no its an nz thing
18:52 wizzyrea          lol or that
18:52 rangi             Watch the movie boy
18:52 * wizzyrea        keeps meaning to do that
18:52 rangi             Ull learn the slang I grew up with
18:52 wizzyrea          that's a pretty good incentive.
18:52 wizzyrea          replacing swearwords with egg is pretty fun too though, you have to admit
18:53 rangi             Spoon is another one
18:54 sekjal            spoon?
18:54 wahanui           There is no spoon.
18:54 rangi             You egg could be you spoon
18:54 rangi             That guys such a spoon
18:55 rangi             I think they use spoon in the ghost chips advert
18:55 rangi             I'd look but YouTube on 3g gets expensive
18:58 sean              still no results.  should i restart zebrasrv?
18:58 jcamins_away      faq?
18:58 wahanui           faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
19:00 jcamins_away      ^^ it might be a good idea to take a look through that.
19:00 sean              been over the faq numerous times in the past 24 hours :)
19:01 jcamins_away      Oh.
19:01 wizzyrea          do you know if your initial index was successful?
19:01 wizzyrea          perhaps start there.
19:01 sean              "Records exported: 0"  is that a bad thing?
19:02 rangi             Yes means u have none
19:02 sean              well then :)  good to know
19:02 rangi             That was -b -v -x -r eh?
19:02 wizzyrea          ok, do you *have* any records?
19:03 sean              i have just over 2k records
19:03 wizzyrea          because we don't include any in the sample data.
19:03 wizzyrea          ok good.
19:03 sean              -b -a -r -v
19:03 * wizzyrea        just had to make sure
19:03 sean              i migrated an existing db to a new server
19:03 wizzyrea          ah cool
19:04 rangi             Try without -a
19:04 rangi             Just do biblio first
19:05 sean              0 again.  however, i noticed an error message, but it scrolled by too fast.  going to dump that output and read it
19:06 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #678: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/678/
19:08 sean              the screen output is different from the dumped output.  the stuff on the screen is xml, while the file has the normal index output.  which means i didn't catch that error
19:09 wizzyrea          the third question?
19:09 wahanui           the third question is "What version of Koha are you using?"
19:09 sean              oh, missed it.  3.6.x git
19:09 wizzyrea          k
19:09 wizzyrea          the git I caught :)
19:10 sean              now that i think about it.  i didn't used to see a bunch of xml spit out when i ran rebuild before
19:12 jcamins_away      sean: that means you have some record corruption. What version are you upgrading from?
19:13 sean              i think the old server was also 3.6.x, but i used the package installation on that one.  i just changed servers.
19:13 sean              i did the mysqldump this morning from the old, and then copied it over
19:14 sean              regarding ParserDetails.ini, should i remove XML::SAX::ExpatXS?
19:14 sean              libxml::sax is at the bottom
19:14 wizzyrea          as long as the right thing is at the end, you don't need to
19:14 sean              k
19:17 sean              ah.  sax_parser_print said i was a bad boy
19:17 sean              it's picking up the pureperl entry, even though the correct entry is at the bottom
19:18 wizzyrea          ok, is pureperl at the *top*
19:18 wizzyrea          ?
19:18 wizzyrea          when in doubt
19:18 wizzyrea          get rid of everything except the thing that is supposed to be there.
19:18 rangi             ahh rollingloans.t
19:18 * wizzyrea        proposes the nuclear approach
19:19 sean              lol "that is supposed to be there"
19:19 rangi             ill submit a patch doing the db thing like we did for ratings
19:19 * jcamins_away    tries to decide which parts of the table to take off of which other parts.
19:19 wizzyrea          [XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser]
19:19 wizzyrea          147         http://xml.org/sax/features/namespaces = 1
19:19 wizzyrea          only that
19:19 wizzyrea          (without the 147
19:19 wizzyrea          )
19:19 sean              giving it a shot :)
19:22 sean              weird.  deleted everything but the correct entry and sax_parser_print STILL says it sees pureperl.  interesting
19:22 sean              maybe just remove that package entirely?
19:22 sean              does anything else need it?
19:22 wizzyrea          you are looking at /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini
19:22 wizzyrea          ?
19:22 sean              oh.  just noticed the path it was referring to
19:23 sean              i was looking at etc, but this script is looking at /usr/local
19:23 wizzyrea          you installed as standard or as dev?
19:24 sean              dev
19:25 sean              it's looking for the file at the usr location, but the file resides in etc
19:25 sean              maybe just a symlink?
19:25 wizzyrea          no one else has this problem that I'm aware of.
19:25 sean              ysy
19:25 sean              yay
19:26 sean              where should parserdetails.ini normally reside?
19:26 wizzyrea          /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini
19:26 sean              yup, that's where it's at
19:26 jcamins_away      Why aren't you just using packages, BTW?
19:27 sean              i read that it was a little easier, in some ways, to upgrade with a git installation
19:27 jcamins_away      sean: no, it's a lot harder.
19:27 sean              thought i would give it a shot
19:27 sean              :'(
19:27 jcamins_away      If you're not planning on doing development, packages are the best choice.
19:27 sean              should i just nuke then?
19:28 rangi             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIYvD9DI1ZA  <-- how to use the word spoon .. at 29 seconds
19:29 jcamins_away      sean: up to you.
19:29 sean              i think i'll nuke and do the package
19:31 jcamins_away      Good choice.
19:31 sean              virtual servers ftw
19:32 jcamins_away      rangi: having watched that, I'm not entirely clear on what spoon means.
19:34 rangi             it means the same as egg!
19:34 rangi             :)
19:36 rangi             and really that was all just a ploy to paste this again
19:36 rangi             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsFlVWqWHlA
19:37 wizzyrea          you know I can't eat ur ghost chups.
19:38 chris_n           what is the proper "name" for the "database" on a z3950 server running sirsi?
19:38 * bag             loves playing with plackup
19:38 rangi             egg ?
19:38 rangi             crap?
19:39 wizzyrea          UNICORN
19:39 wizzyrea          I think.
19:39 rangi             thisdoesn'twork!
19:39 rangi             :)
19:39 chris_n           lol rangi
19:39 * rangi           is totally in friday mood
19:39 wizzyrea          YOURMOM
19:40 jcamins_away      youmaynothaveyourdata
19:53 wizzyrea          goodluckgettingyourstuffsuckers
19:55 sean              in a new install of debian, is /etc/apt supposed to exist?
19:59 ibeardslee        as a directory, yes it should
20:00 sean              it doesn't.  i wonder wy
20:00 sean              why
20:01 ibeardslee        what happens if you do an 'apt-get update' ?
20:02 sean              command not found
20:02 sean              i just installed this server on rackspace wtf
20:03 rangi             yeah i dont think you got debian :)
20:04 sean              i must have clicked too quickly.  obviously, i need more margarita
20:04 rangi             yes
20:04 rangi             that is pretty much the fix for everything :)
20:05 sean              i've been in project management for the past 6 years.  haven't touched a server in all that time.  relearning everying
20:06 rangi             http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5158#c4
20:06 huginn            04Bug 5158: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors
20:07 sekjal            blog post summarizing the session I was just in: http://hurstassociates.blogspot.com/2012/03/cil2012-open-source-trends-and.html
20:07 * rangi           looks
20:08 sekjal            not much about the question/answer portion at the end
20:08 rangi             hmm
20:09 rangi             about what i expected, sad that the LL customers believe the FUD from LL
20:09 sekjal            yeah... her library didn't want Koha, they wanted Polaris
20:09 sekjal            were forced to go with LibLime's quote by those doing the budget
20:10 rangi             yeah thats never going to go well
20:10 wizzyrea          what's the thing about the koha fight?
20:10 rangi             ppl who chose free software on price
20:10 rangi             not good for koha .. or them
20:10 sekjal            me v. LL
20:10 wizzyrea          OH
20:10 sekjal            there were some... ambiguities I wanted to help clear up
20:11 eythian_bucklame  > Koha in general is being developed by volunteers.
20:11 eythian_bucklame  Not convinced that's true at all
20:11 * wizzyrea        either
20:11 sekjal            the librarian was ripping on feature-based quirks that are not actually a problem in Koha
20:11 sekjal            depends how you measure
20:11 wizzyrea          last I checked most of you got paid to do work on koha :P
20:11 * wizzyrea        does
20:11 sekjal            if it's by number of individuals who have contributed code, perhaps
20:11 sekjal            we have lots of volunteers contributing one or two patches
20:12 eythian_bucklame  sekjal: that's likely true, but by number of patches or something, I think it's not true.
20:12 sekjal            but if you go by number of commits, or SLOC contributed, it's mostly from a few groups
20:13 rangi             i think its a very healthy mix
20:13 eythian_bucklame  > Wow...we nearly had a Koha fight!
20:13 eythian_bucklame  what's that mean?
20:14 sekjal            eythian_bucklame: after I spoke, a rep from LL spoke saying they don't have any proprietary code
20:14 wizzyrea          sekjal was defending our honor ;)
20:14 rangi             sekjal clarified, and i expect a liblime employee spread lies to counter .. its pretty much their MO
20:14 wizzyrea          did you ask them about the trademark
20:14 sekjal            I asked where we can download LibLime Academic Koha, and they said it's not available because it hasn't been signed off by it's sponsors
20:14 sekjal            trademark didn't come up
20:15 eythian_bucklame  rangi: that's quite true, however it's often a marketing thing that's used to make free software look "bad" because everyone knows a big company doing everything is clearly the best model *cough*
20:15 sekjal            well, no, it did
20:15 rangi             eythian_bucklame: yup
20:15 sekjal            mbreeding brought it up as he attempted to cool everyone down
20:15 sekjal            I was packing up to leave at that point
20:15 rangi             lol
20:15 rangi             here let me throw some oil on the fire to calm it down
20:15 wizzyrea          whoa sounds contentious
20:16 sekjal            didn't mention NZ trademark, just that LL owns "the trademark" (true only for US, but wasn't worth me continuing the fight over, since the whole talk was very US-centric)
20:16 wizzyrea          well, and I don't care if you don't allow download because waldo hasn't signed off
20:16 wizzyrea          it's not open until you do
20:16 sekjal            exactly.  "will be released" and "is released" are two entirely different things
20:17 rangi             yup
20:17 rangi             how many ppl in the room?
20:17 rangi             hopefully being librarians they can do some research themselves
20:17 rangi             :)
20:17 wizzyrea          the whole thing probably has license terms on it "GPL! GPL!" except... it's not open until it's released to the public. So moot.
20:17 sekjal            rangi:  50-70, I'd guess
20:17 eythian_bucklame  *grumble*grumble*AGPL*grumble* ;)
20:17 wizzyrea          hehe
20:18 wizzyrea          man that whole thing kinda died didn't it
20:18 wizzyrea          we got busy with things like HOURLY LOANS
20:18 * wizzyrea        throws confetti
20:18 * wizzyrea        rents the disco ball
20:18 rangi             ok bug 5549 and 6679
20:19 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans
20:19 rangi             have trivially easy patches to sign off
20:19 eythian_bucklame  wizzyrea: don't forget the smoke machine!
20:19 rangi             and they will make jenkins happy
20:20 wizzyrea          rangi - just run the db dependent tests?
20:20 rangi             yep for one of them, and the other run
20:20 rangi             TEST_QA=1 perl t/00-testcritic.t
20:20 wizzyrea          check.
20:21 wizzyrea          hm I must be missing some test data. Is ok, rollingloans.t still works.
20:22 rangi             sorry?
20:22 rangi             without the patch?
20:22 rangi             if it works without the patch, it must be the opposite, you must have the test data :)
20:23 wizzyrea          no no, I have other things that are failing
20:23 wizzyrea          i suspect I do not have a serial in this data, for example
20:23 rangi             perl t/db_dependent/rollingloans.t
20:23 rangi             id do
20:23 wizzyrea          it works
20:23 wizzyrea          :)
20:23 rangi             after the patch?
20:23 rangi             or before?
20:23 wizzyrea          yes, after
20:24 rangi             phew :) ok :)
20:24 wizzyrea          sorry! didn't mean to alarm you
20:24 rangi             not alarmed just confused :)
20:32 rangi             this weather is pants
20:34 sekjal            looking at around 15% packet loss here...
20:35 sean              stupid question, but i'm running out of time.  after the package install, where is debian.packages located>
20:37 * rangi           goes to investigate bug 7729
20:37 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , svc API should allow modification of items
20:50 wizzyrea          can someone confirm for me - add a child patron on 3.6.4
20:51 wizzyrea          mine has failed with a "this user does not exist"
20:51 wizzyrea          but i'm trying it again
20:51 rangi             works on master tho?
20:51 wizzyrea          yes, apparently
20:51 rangi             hmmm
20:51 wizzyrea          however, I did change the category from a non-guarantor allowed category (staff) to a guarantor allowed category.
20:51 wizzyrea          maybe that did it.
20:52 rangi             could be
20:52 rangi             but a better error message would be nice
20:52 rangi             Space_Librarian: going to the cricket?
20:52 Space_Librarian   When it's on, I'll be there.
20:53 Space_Librarian   Hoping for a decent spell with the weather tomorrow and Sunday.
20:54 wizzyrea          nope I can't do it at all... when I try to save it just does "this patron does not exist" and redirects to borrowernumber 0
20:55 wizzyrea          ooo
20:55 wizzyrea          get this
20:55 wizzyrea          I put "NEKLSTESTPATRON11111" in the cardnumber
20:55 wizzyrea          and that's when it wouldn't sae.
20:55 wizzyrea          save.
20:57 wizzyrea          whoa
20:57 wizzyrea          testing_protocols++
20:57 rangi             Space_Librarian: yeah i was planning to go down today ... if play starts
20:57 rangi             ohh koha user group meeting at the treasury dept .. cool ;)
20:59 Space_Librarian   orly? (on both counts)
21:00 rangi             yup, you'll see the email on nz-libs .. and yes i have my beige in my bag
21:00 Space_Librarian   I'm short staffed, or I would be there for the arvo session (if play starts)
21:03 wizzyrea          so one can only put 16 digit cardnumbers in borrower?
21:03 rangi             yes
21:04 rangi             cardnumber varchar(16) default NULL,
21:04 wizzyrea          okies well that explains my problem then
21:04 wizzyrea          moving on, nothing to see here
21:04 wizzyrea          :)
21:04 Space_Librarian   ;)
21:05 * wizzyrea        consulted the schema
21:05 wizzyrea          I love the schema.
21:06 rangi             i should regen that
21:06 rangi             2 secs
21:06 wizzyrea          yes, you should :)
21:06 wizzyrea          (and thanks)
21:06 rangi             http://grooveshark.com/s/Girl+In+The+Fire/z7ZEt?src=5
21:07 rangi             listen to that while you wait
21:07 rangi             :)
21:07 wizzyrea          ah that's nice.
21:08 wizzyrea          thumbs up to that one.
21:10 kathryn           hi wizzyrea and Space_Librarian : )
21:11 Space_Librarian   hey kathryn
21:11 rangi             your call is important to us, please continue to hold
21:11 rangi             http://grooveshark.com/s/Maori+Songs+Tarakihi+The+Locust/2woQNK?src=5
21:12 rangi             its scping up now
21:14 rangi             you are next in the priority queue, one of our trained operators is standing by to take your call
21:14 rangi             http://grooveshark.com/s/Creator/2J2Irm?src=5
21:14 Space_Librarian   lol.
21:14 Space_Librarian   Right. Need my quad shot. bbiab
21:17 wizzyrea          lol i love you guys.
21:20 rangi             ok its all updated
21:25 data_doctor       g'nite!
21:30 wizzyrea          wot ty
21:30 wizzyrea          woot
21:30 wizzyrea          even.
21:32 wizzyrea          batch modifying frameworks - something to consider?
21:33 rangi             hmmm
21:33 wizzyrea          and what i mean is
21:33 rangi             could be hella messy
21:33 rangi             and what i mean is
21:33 rangi             NOT ME
21:33 rangi             :)
21:33 wizzyrea          take a bunch of bibs and modify them from their current framework to a new framework
21:33 rangi             oh
21:33 rangi             i thought you meant modifying the frameworks
21:33 wizzyrea          no no
21:33 wizzyrea          we already have import
21:34 wizzyrea          that's how I would do a batch change of frameworks :P
21:34 rangi             why not add that as an option to the batch biblio modification
21:34 wizzyrea          eff ya
21:34 wizzyrea          boyee
21:35 wizzyrea          do we have batch bib modification?
21:35 rangi             not signed off
21:35 wizzyrea          OH
21:35 wizzyrea          derp.
21:35 wizzyrea          and probably way out of date
21:35 wizzyrea          oyyyy
21:35 rangi             yeah will need a tidy up
21:36 rangi             bug 5725
21:36 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, laurence.lefaucheur, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios
21:36 rangi             october last year
21:36 rangi             so TT
21:36 rangi             so not as bad
21:36 wizzyrea          not SO bad.
21:38 rangi             still on the train sekjal ?
21:38 sekjal            rangi:  yup, 4.5 hrs more to go
21:38 sekjal            internet seems a little better now
21:39 rangi             thats a long ride
21:39 sekjal            got my followup for 5549 suspension in days attached to bug report
21:39 sekjal            yeah, 7hrs total
21:39 sekjal            DC to Springfield, mA
21:39 rangi             sweet i did a follow for the test
21:39 sekjal            it's getting put together
21:40 sekjal            very encouraging stuff
21:40 wizzyrea          also - the sort on the items screen
21:40 wizzyrea          edit items*
21:40 wizzyrea          it should be by home branch
21:40 wizzyrea          not holding branch.
21:40 * wizzyrea        grumps about it.
21:41 sekjal            I think bug 5668 is almost ready, too
21:41 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Signed Off , Star ratings in the opac
21:45 rangi             yay
21:45 rangi             wizzyrea: wasnt someone wanting the opposite for teh detail page?
21:45 rangi             sort by holding not home
21:46 rangi             123 :)
21:46 wizzyrea          no
21:46 wizzyrea          no no
21:46 wizzyrea          they always want to sort by home
21:47 rangi             oh i dont think they do
21:47 wizzyrea          lol
21:47 wizzyrea          we just fixed the detail to sort by home
21:47 wizzyrea          ^.^
21:47 rangi             yeah and someone already complained
21:47 rangi             :)
21:47 sekjal            ah, but what about floating collections?
21:47 wizzyrea          lol gfdi.
21:47 rangi             exacterly!
21:47 wizzyrea          who complained?
21:47 wizzyrea          just curious
21:47 rangi             ppl who use floating collections
21:47 rangi             i think katrin
21:47 wizzyrea          oh psh.
21:47 rangi             raised that
21:47 wizzyrea          well they are speshul
21:48 rangi             heh
21:48 wizzyrea          no seriously
21:48 wizzyrea          we'll have to figure something out for that
21:48 wizzyrea          for floating
21:48 rangi             yup
21:48 rangi             and then just random others who are weird
21:48 wizzyrea          that's a legitimate complaint. :)
21:48 wizzyrea          and now
21:48 wizzyrea          new*
21:48 wizzyrea          split out floating items into their own table?
21:48 wizzyrea          that is sorted by holding?
21:48 sekjal            NO!
21:48 sekjal            oh god no
21:48 wizzyrea          haha
21:49 sekjal            no more tables
21:49 sekjal            not for that, anyway
21:49 rangi             users dont care
21:49 rangi             they want to know where the book is
21:49 rangi             thats all
21:49 rangi             this whole owned by but here but sorted this way
21:50 rangi             is just obfusctication
21:50 sekjal            I think the issue is access
21:50 rangi             just tell me where the goddamned item is and if i can have it
21:50 sekjal            the item may be at a different holding branch, but can I get it from there?
21:50 sekjal            or does it have to go home first?
21:50 rangi             exactly
21:50 rangi             its here
21:50 wizzyrea          but people's definition of "where it is" is different.
21:51 sekjal            "that depends on what 'is' is"
21:51 sean              i'm so tired of errors.  has anyone seen this?
21:51 sean              Could not create file parser context for file "/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml": Permission denied at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/SAX.pm line 80  at /usr/share/perl5/XML/Simple.pm line 362
21:51 rangi             but availability should say, needs transger
21:51 rangi             fer even
21:51 wizzyrea          hmmm
21:51 wizzyrea          I'd have to think about that.
21:51 rangi             or not available at this branch
21:51 wizzyrea          for a not-logged-in user
21:51 rangi             or something
21:51 sean              i started fresh with a clean server and a package install
21:51 wizzyrea          we don't know where they are
21:51 wizzyrea          or who they belong to
21:52 sean              i get that error when i try to surf to the page
21:52 wizzyrea          i'm thinking opac
21:52 sekjal            it's not about loans or transfers; it's about fulfillment.  what's the quickest way for me to get X?
21:52 rangi             yep, its a tricky one, but i dont think another column listing who owns the book helps
21:52 wizzyrea          it helps staff.
21:52 rangi             yes
21:52 rangi             but keep that off the opac
21:52 wizzyrea          not necessarily patrons though
21:52 rangi             less is more
21:52 rangi             theres already too much on the opac
21:52 wizzyrea          marc = too much
21:52 rangi             tl;dr went to amazon instead
21:53 rangi             thats what most opacs are
21:53 wizzyrea          haha
21:56 sean              should the perl5 directory be more open?  i was so close to being done with this install, and now i can't even access the site
21:57 rangi             looks you you have messed up permissions again
21:57 sean              but on the perl5 directory?  does the koha user have to own that too?
21:57 sekjal            bug 5668
21:57 wahanui           bug 5668 is almost ready, too
21:57 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Passed QA , Star ratings in the opac
21:57 rangi             no
21:58 rangi             the error is saying
21:58 rangi             Could not create file parser context for file "/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml"
21:58 rangi             its that file
21:58 rangi             what user owns that? and the dir its in?
21:58 sean              koha owns every from /etc/koha on down
21:59 rangi             can you look at the apache config for it
21:59 rangi             its should be
21:59 rangi             /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha
22:00 rangi             what does it have on the line that starts
22:00 rangi             AssignUserID
22:00 rangi             you installed koha-common right
22:00 rangi             and then went
22:00 rangi             sudo koha-create --create-db koha
22:00 rangi             ?
22:01 sean              koha-common, yup
22:01 * sekjal          wishes he was in New Zealand right now and not New Jersey
22:01 sean              i have two entries for assignuserid, because i have a port 80 and a port 8080
22:01 sean              both have koha_koha koha_koha
22:01 rangi             thats the problem then
22:01 sean              sorry, dashes
22:02 sean              i should just edit the apache file, right?
22:02 rangi             koha-conf.xml should be owned by that user
22:02 rangi             no
22:02 rangi             you didnt do something like chown on /etc/koha or anything like that did you?
22:02 rangi             because out of the box
22:03 rangi             /etc/koha is owned by root
22:03 sean              i did do chown
22:03 rangi             yeah .. you didnt want to do that
22:03 sean              can i fix it with recursive ownership for root?
22:03 rangi             try this chown -R koha-koha /etc/koha/sites/koha
22:04 rangi             then try hitting the site again
22:04 sean              did the koha-create make another user?
22:04 sean              koha-koha?
22:04 rangi             yes
22:04 sean              oh
22:21 Space_Librarian   orly? this could be interesting...
22:21 rangi             http://www.lianza.org.nz/blog/2012/mar/23/marshall-breeding
22:22 rangi             hmm not sure about this
22:22 rangi             http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7787
22:22 huginn            04Bug 7787: normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , SIP server closes the TCP connection when it receives an invalid message
22:22 rangi             Note how the server closes the connection when you just hit enter 3 time or send any garbage.  With the patch applied, the server will not close the connection.
22:35 Space_Librarian   rangi: I see it's an early  lunch with play underway at 12:30-ish?
22:35 rangi             here's hoping
22:39 sekjal            aaaah, wifi is much better in this car
22:39 Space_Librarian   sekjal: that sounds wrong.
22:40 sekjal            Space_Librarian:  train car
22:41 sean              does koha mess with scp in any way?
22:42 rangi             no
22:43 sean              after loading up, i can no longer scp my db dump to the new server
22:43 rangi             it doesnt touch that at all, can you ssh to it?
22:44 rangi             if not, you might want to check it has an ssh server running
22:44 rangi             (which is what scp uses)
22:44 sean              i'm currently ssh'd in
22:44 sean              makes no sense
22:44 rangi             dont logout
22:44 rangi             but try another connection
22:45 sean              i can console in, if needed
22:45 sean              rackspace
22:45 rangi             no idea, but no koha doesnt touch that, .. you sure its not permissions again, try scping it to /tmp
22:47 Space_Librarian   re: cricket *throws hands up in despair*
22:47 rangi             heh
22:48 sean              ssh is running, but i can't scp to the server.  it's stupid
22:49 sean              i did nothing except load koha and change the root password
22:49 rangi             what user are you scping in as?
22:57 mbalmer           kohaistas!
22:58 Space_Librarian   ola!
22:59 sean              got the scp working
22:59 sean              now i'm trying to upload a previous db
22:59 sean              i figured it would be good to do that as user "koha-koha", but that isn't working
23:00 sean              can i restore the db as root?
23:00 rangi             sudo koha-mysql koha < db_dump.sql
23:01 sean              i'm already logged in as root
23:01 rangi             then just koha-mysql koha < yourfile
23:01 sean              mysql -u koha-koha -p koha_koha < stuff
23:01 sean              isn't working
23:01 rangi             no it wont
23:02 sean              thanks for your help, btw
23:02 rangi             no worries
23:03 mbalmer           marseille is crazy, they repair a street and there is endless honking..
23:04 mbalmer           as if the traffic moves faster...
23:06 * Space_Librarian can't wait to see Marseille
23:06 mbalmer           when will you be here?  it's a nice town.
23:06 Space_Librarian   September
23:06 wahanui           well, September is a good dead line
23:08 mbalmer           I hope they fixed the road until then, this honking is unbearable...
23:12 sean              rangi: when i ran koha-mysql it gave this...
23:12 sean              warning: failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/koha_koha/koha-conf.xml
23:12 sean              several times
23:12 sean              ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: N                                     O)
23:12 rangi             right
23:13 rangi             did you do this
23:13 rangi             koha-mysql koha < yourfile
23:13 rangi             or
23:13 rangi             koha-mysql koha_koha
23:13 rangi             because i suspect you did the second and thats wrong
23:13 sean              koha_koha, because that's the name of the db
23:14 rangi             yes
23:14 sean              when i do "koha", it doesn't seem to work
23:14 rangi             but thats not what you use
23:14 rangi             its the name of the site
23:14 rangi             which is koha
23:14 rangi             it will sit their quietly
23:14 rangi             until it finishes
23:15 rangi             when you did koha-create you called it koha
23:15 rangi             so you need to do koha-mysql koha
23:15 sean              done
23:16 rangi             it will take a while depending on how big your database is
23:16 sean              not big
23:16 sean              now i can't log via the admin site... i'm full of this stuff
23:17 rangi             has it finished loading the db?
23:17 rangi             login with the login details at the bottom of the koha-conf.xml files
23:17 sean              been trying
23:18 sean              i'm an idiot.  moving on
23:19 mbalmer           heh..  what was it?
23:19 sean              koha-koha vs koha_koha
23:19 mbalmer           ok, shit happens.
23:20 sean              i checked etc/passwd... and there is a koha-koha
23:20 sean              but the db wants koha_koha
23:20 sean              when i run the zebra_rebuild, who should i be logged in as?
23:21 sean              i don't know the password for koha-koha, and i'm afraid to change it
23:21 sean              koha_koha was in the conf file
23:21 rangi             you shouldnt run rebuild_zebra
23:21 rangi             not with the packages
23:21 sean              oh right.  use the system command
23:22 rangi             sudo koha-rebuild-zebra <instancename>
23:22 rangi             for you
23:22 rangi             sudo koha-rebuild-zebra koha
23:22 sean              i'm still logged in as root
23:22 sean              that's cool?
23:22 rangi             yes
23:22 rangi             well, being logged in as root isnt ever cool but apart from that yes :-)
23:23 sean              i know, i know "_
23:23 * Space_Librarian laughs
23:23 sean              :)
23:23 rangi             you might want to pass in -r as a switch
23:23 rangi             sorry
23:23 rangi             -f
23:23 mbalmer           at least being logged in as root gives you some power.  nothing wrong with that.
23:23 rangi             for full reindex
23:23 Space_Librarian   mbalmer: it also means if you do something wrong...
23:23 rangi             audit trails, sudo tells you who actually ran the command
23:24 mbalmer           you better not, Space_Librarian
23:24 mbalmer           power comes with responsability.
23:24 Space_Librarian   exactly
23:25 Space_Librarian   All power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
23:25 mbalmer           absolut vodka vodkas absolute
23:26 Space_Librarian   yes.
23:27 ibeardslee        no no no, all will be ok when you vote 'Ian for Dictator' in the next elections
23:27 ibeardslee        honest
23:27 ibeardslee        you can trust my smile
23:27 ibeardslee        :D
23:28 Space_Librarian   how are you going to convince us to vote for you? That smile doesn't work. Especially when it involves stealing meringues.
23:28 mbalmer           what is realistic for PostgreSQL support in Koha, 3, 6, or 12 months?  I'd envision 6 months or 12.
23:30 rangi             well it wont be in 3.8 .. so has to wait at least 6 months for the next .0 release
23:30 mbalmer           but that sounds like a realistic time frame, though 6 months might even be to short.
23:33 sekjal            I think the guy in the cafe car heard 'cheeseburger' when I said 'veggie burger'... oh well
23:33 mbalmer           if 3.9 comes after 3.8. maybe having full PG support in 4.0 would be a reasonable goal.
23:34 rangi             3.9 wont come after
23:34 rangi             3.10 will be after 3.8
23:34 rangi             we only do even second numbers .. odd ones are the dev branch
23:35 ibeardslee        Space_Librarian: It's not stealing them. They weren't getting the attention they deserved, so I looked after them.
23:35 rangi             master is current 3.7.x
23:35 mbalmer           ok, so maybe 3.12
23:35 Space_Librarian   ibeardslee: You see me coming and you steal them.
23:35 ibeardslee        it's like taking a poor homeless kitteh and giving it some love
23:36 Space_Librarian   you're not doing a good job of convincing us to vote for you...
23:36 ibeardslee        Space_Librarian: I moved them closer to the edge of the table for you so your didn't have to reach so far
23:36 ibeardslee        .. let's ignore that it was the further side of the table
23:37 ibeardslee        the closer side was too cluttered
23:37 sekjal            I think we should decide, as a community, what features are going to define Koha 4.0
23:37 Space_Librarian   sekjal: agreed
23:37 sekjal            I know Solr is one of them, but is it the only one?  any others we want to use to define the new number?
23:37 mbalmer           when will it be 4.0, I mean after which 3.X release?
23:38 sekjal            mbalmer:  undefined
23:38 sekjal            we'll continue on 3.X until there is a 'major structural change'
23:38 sekjal            Solr is one such change
23:38 mbalmer           I'd like to see full PostgreSQL support in 4.0
23:38 sekjal            but should it be "Solr and something else"
23:39 rangi             elasticsearch
23:39 sekjal            rangi:  what's that?
23:39 rangi             solr done right
23:39 rangi             http://www.elasticsearch.org/
23:40 rangi             its a schema free, restful indexing engine
23:40 rangi             seriously and i mean seriously outperforms solr
23:41 rangi             http://www.slideshare.net/peterVG999/access2011-van-garderensuhonospart2
23:41 mbalmer           4.0 is pbly at least a year from now, if not more, so PostgreSQL support in it seem reasonable and doable.
23:42 sekjal            I like their 404s
23:43 sekjal            oh, so what about 4.0 = ( new search engine && database independence )
23:44 rangi             seems ok to me
23:44 mbalmer           sekjal, lets be honest on this one:  database independence will probably only mean run on MySQL and PostgreSQL.
23:44 rangi             it better not
23:45 rangi             because thats a really weak definition of independence
23:45 rangi             call it run on 2 databases if thats what the goal is
23:45 mbalmer           That is why you should not advertise DB independence.
23:45 rangi             no thats why we should try and actually do that
23:46 mbalmer           it will not work.
23:46 mbalmer           imo.
23:46 mbalmer           and it makes not much sense, either, again imo.
23:47 rangi             Space_Librarian: 2pm apparently
23:48 Space_Librarian   yep. saw that
23:48 Space_Librarian   curious to see where they put Flynn.
23:50 rangi             yeah
23:50 mbalmer           zzz time here.
23:50 mbalmer           have a good koha night.
23:51 Space_Librarian   ciao
23:51 cait              night all :)
23:51 mbalmer           night kathrin!
23:52 cait              that's not me I fear
23:53 cait              no th
23:55 mbalmer           ah, those german nitpickers ;)