Time  Nick             Message
23:59 rangi            after i eat my sushi
23:59 rangi            ill check the db on jenkins
23:59 jcamins          All tests in virtualshelves.t pass for me.
23:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , late order management
23:58 sekjal           I've fixed the Acquistions error.. patch is on bug 5347
23:58 rangi            http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/%28root%29/t_db_dependent_VirtualShelves_t/failed_to_add_to_list_when_we_should__73_/
23:57 sekjal           rangi:  no, not running sample db... using wizzyrea's
23:57 rangi            it could be db on jenkins
23:57 jcamins          Granted, that was a month ago.
23:57 jcamins          I wonder why... when I signed off, all the tests passed.
23:56 jcamins          Ouch!
23:55 rangi            http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
23:55 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
23:55 rangi            bug 7310
23:55 rangi            7310
23:55 rangi            yeah
23:55 rangi            ouch
23:54 rangi            you have the sample db installed ?
23:54 sekjal           wow, lots of t/db_dependent failures on current master
23:43 magnuse          oops, my nightly cronjobs are kicking in - time to bid you all a good night!
23:41 magnuse          sekjal: then linked data/RDF is your friend
23:40 sekjal           I want to compile information about my library objects from multiple sources, since some places do some things better than others
23:39 magnuse          sekjal: feel free ;-)
23:39 sekjal           magnuse++  this looks like something I'd like to play with
23:39 rangi            magnuse++
23:34 magnuse          yay :-)
23:33 jcamins          magnuse++
23:33 jcamins          Woohoo!
23:30 * magnuse        finally got around to writing the README for his little project at https://github.com/MagnusEnger/semantikoha
23:29 jcamins          Mmm.
23:28 Judit            aand, april is chestnut picking month here: quince and chestnut soup…..
23:27 jcamins          Ah, that makes sense.
23:27 Judit            and the butter and almond makes it pretty oily too
23:27 Judit            well i used one of those silicon "papers"
23:26 jcamins          Judit: no? I'd think it'd stick something awful.
23:25 Judit            and vanilla is not for quince
23:25 Judit            it is not
23:25 jcamins          Hm. Doing that without a spring form pan would be rather difficult.
23:24 jcamins          Like this: http://staging.leapdesign.com:8047/food-health/quince-rosemary-frangipane-cake-with-lightly-whipped-cream-1222/ ?
23:23 Judit            and delicious
23:23 Judit            very interesting
23:23 jcamins          That sounds delicious.
23:23 jcamins          Rosemary quince cake?
23:23 Judit            i have just amde a rosemary quince cake th eother day
23:22 jcamins          Judit: yay!
23:22 Judit            until then, you can start collecting recipes
23:21 Judit            :)
23:21 jcamins          It'll just be another week or so.
23:21 * jcamins        taps his foot impatiently waiting for his new scale to arrive.
23:16 Judit            ah
23:15 jcamins          Yup.
23:15 jcamins          http://www.amazon.com/My-Weigh-KD-8000-Weighing-Tabletop/dp/B001NE0FU2
23:15 Judit            the baker percentage scale?
23:15 wahanui          it has been said that which one is it
23:15 Judit            which one?
23:15 jcamins          Kitchen scale ordered.
23:15 Judit            eythian :D
23:14 jcamins          (the gram, that is)
23:13 eythian_bucklame and the gold cup
23:13 jcamins          Judit: and with my new kitchen scale, I will be able to use it!
23:13 eythian_bucklame and the liquid cup, and the fluffy cup, and the Elbonian cup...
23:13 Judit            unfortunately most of the population thinks otherwise
23:13 Judit            gram is the only sensible way
23:13 jcamins          Judit: exactly!
23:12 Judit            and there is australian cup and US cup
23:12 cjh              but guessing is fun :p
23:12 Judit            so unclear
23:12 Judit            i hate the cup
23:12 cjh              heh
23:12 eythian_bucklame *flour
23:12 eythian_bucklame just so long as the flours isn't measured in furlongs, or whatever you people use :)
23:12 jcamins          cjh: and given that I bake... a lot... when I'm baking, that's useful.
23:10 jcamins          cjh: right.
23:10 cjh              and by units, i mean percentages.
23:10 cjh              bakers units make scaling the recipe easy :o
23:09 sekjal           oh, actually, 6... Auth_with_ldap uses that in it's docs, not the code
23:09 mbalmer          gn8 all!
23:09 sekjal           goodnight, mbalmer
23:09 mbalmer          so.  midnight here, need to catch some zzz .  cu tomorrow.
23:08 sekjal           oh, nix that, 7 C4 modules... C4/Letters.pm has that area commented out
23:08 cjh              jcamins: if im reading this right it uses the quantity of flour as the base unit and then gives everything else relatively?
23:08 jcamins          cjh: baker's percentages are awesome. Much easier than anything else.
23:08 mbalmer          and it's part of our patch, btw.
23:07 mbalmer          ack.
23:07 jcamins          mbalmer: those are bugs. They need fixing, regardless of postgres/mysql use.
23:07 mbalmer          even worse, in one place DESCRIBE is used, discarding all results, then SHOW COLUMNS FROM.  Some of the SQL code is really funky.
23:07 rangi            ahhh
23:07 * cjh            runs off to google
23:07 jcamins          rangi: not until we've moved, but the kitchen scale isn't moving with us, so I need a new one.
23:07 cjh              bakers percentages?
23:07 Judit            please
23:07 Judit            can i have one
23:07 Judit            u
23:06 jcamins          Apparently there are kitchen scales that support baker's percentages directly!
23:06 rangi            baking jcamins ?
23:06 * jcamins        has found a kitchen scale. :D
23:06 rangi            so if tableNames used column_info to do that .. could junk all of those ?
23:05 rangi            they all seem to want an array of column names
23:05 sekjal           most of them are on-offs, except ImportExportFramework.pm
23:05 sekjal           I'm seeing 8 C4 modules that have some kind of "show columns from" call
23:04 mbalmer          even if we make the database layer DB independent, the upper layers of Koha still often expect MySQL results, that is part of the problem (or fun…)
23:02 mbalmer          it's incomplete, of course.
23:01 sekjal           mbalmer:  reading...
23:01 mbalmer          we really wanted to be minimally invasive.  just do the very basic changes needed.
23:00 mbalmer          magnuse, we think yes.
23:00 mbalmer          sekjal, yes. and also look at the wiki page.
23:00 magnuse          mbalmer: would "proper DBI usage" be much harder to implement than C4::DBQ?
22:59 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha uses MySQL
22:59 * sekjal         is catching up... so this is all in regards to the work for bug 7365?
22:59 mbalmer          In the long term, C4::DBQ has no business in Koha.  It is really a transition vehicle, imo.
22:59 * rangi          goes to get coffee
22:58 mbalmer          stephane and I wanted to make the bare minimum to make it DB indepdendent.  of course you are right that in the end proper DBI usage is what we want.
22:56 rangi            and that we could just make your tableNames a wrapper to that
22:56 mbalmer          rangi, yes, in the end that is what needs to be done.  DBQ just enables us to use PostgreSQL right now without to many changes.  In the end, the DB layer has to be reworked a bit.
22:56 rangi            but i think that DBI has a routine to get column names that is db independent
22:56 rangi            but I use postgres at work on a daily basis, and I like it better than mysql
22:56 rangi            and then the postgres ssupport got broken
22:55 rangi            fwiw when i first wrote koha, it was written on postgres mysql support came later
22:55 mbalmer          so we made the PostgreSQL part return that information like it came from MySQL, as 'Field'
22:55 rangi            thats why i propose making it use DBI->table_info and DBI->column_info
22:55 rangi            i understand that
22:54 mbalmer          rangi, even if the SQL statements are DB independent, Koha still expects MySQL results.  Which is wrong on so many levels.  E.g. it expects a column 'Field' as result of 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM'.  That is non-portable, to say the least.
22:53 magnuse          yeah man, like totally
22:53 bag              it's better than drugs, MAN
22:53 bag              awesome!
22:53 bag              sekjal++
22:53 sekjal           can't stay away from #koha!
22:52 sekjal           rangi, bag:  yes, I'm back
22:52 bag              heya sekjal
22:52 rangi            sekjal: you back again?
22:52 rangi            i gave you code snippets .. but whatever im done
22:51 rangi            *sigh*
22:51 mbalmer          it makes no sense to discuss with you.  whenever you are ready to enter a technical discussion, please tell me.
22:50 rangi            youve told me that before
22:50 rangi            yes im stupid
22:50 mbalmer          you don't see the real problem.
22:50 rangi            im just pointing out a 3 line change would make your patch now be able to show columns for 16 databases not just 2
22:49 rangi            go for it
22:49 rangi            if you want to reimplement DBI.pm
22:49 rangi            ok i give up
22:49 mbalmer          Koha is MySQL only.
22:49 mbalmer          unrealistic.
22:49 rangi            you'd have 16
22:49 * oleonard       heads for bed... luckily in this room it's not far!
22:48 rangi            if you just use column_info
22:48 rangi            look
22:48 mbalmer          we just provide two implementations, more can be added.
22:48 rangi            only if your db is postgres or mysql
22:48 mbalmer          it is DB independent.
22:48 Judit            thanks
22:47 rangi            now why not have tableColumns work in a Database independent manner, instead of just for 2 db's ?
22:47 rangi            +            my $sth = $dbh->prepare($dbq->tableColumns($table));
22:47 rangi            +            my $dbq = C4::DBQ->dbq;
22:47 rangi            -            my $sth = $dbh->prepare($query);
22:47 rangi            -            my $query = 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM ' . $table;
22:47 rangi            oh look you do
22:47 rangi            else whats the point
22:47 mbalmer          and we just make sure the SQL works.  No other changes.
22:46 rangi            you must be changing somehting to call tableColumns
22:46 rangi            we already have a DBI handle
22:46 mbalmer          we just change the SQL, nothing more.
22:46 rangi            how is that more invasive?
22:46 oleonard         Judit, And any modern browser for the OPAC
22:46 jcamins          Judit: there is not, but basically any recent browsers that aren't IE should work. :)
22:46 mbalmer          as we said many times, we want a minimal invasive solution.
22:46 oleonard         Judit, Any modern browser other than Internet Explorer (for the staff client)
22:45 rangi            just do it one way .. using DBI
22:45 Judit            is there a list somewhere with the official supported browsesr for koha
22:45 rangi            in 2 ways 1 for postgres and one for mysql
22:45 rangi            in DBQ
22:45 rangi            well how about instead of doing tableColumns
22:44 mbalmer          if only it was used that way in Koha
22:44 rangi            for a list of table names
22:44 rangi            has tables() too
22:44 rangi            so thats show columns done for all RDBMS supported by DBI
22:43 rangi            and DBI has column_info
22:43 rangi            so Koha uses DBI already right
22:42 mbalmer          what _are_ you using ...
22:41 mbalmer          what you using as self checkout hardware? and what os?
22:39 magnuse          hiya Judit
22:36 wahanui          hey, Judit
22:36 Judit            hi
22:36 oleonard         ?
22:30 bag              oh yeah oleonard - back up :)
22:30 mbalmer          been here, done that, tried andouillette ;)
22:29 mbalmer          I needed a strong Cognac after it ;)
22:29 mbalmer          yeah, it is.
22:29 oleonard         Wow, it really sounds horrible!
22:28 * oleonard       Googles Andouillette, and finds the second result refer to it as "French Pig-Colon Sausage"
22:28 mbalmer          tomorrow I plan to work on the SIP server
22:27 mbalmer          that was a local marseille announcement only ;)
22:27 mbalmer          oleanard, just make sure noone never orders Andouillette in a restaurant, it's horrible...
22:26 oleonard         ...not that I have anything to bring to your discussion
22:26 oleonard         mbalmer, I'm around for a moment
22:25 eythian_bucklame of course, we had subtropical type rains yesterday. Quite nice now though.
22:25 bag              .5 ahead
22:25 bag              oh eythian_bucklame with the close win
22:24 huginn           eythian_bucklame: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 21.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
22:24 eythian_bucklame @wunder auckland,nz
22:24 huginn           rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
22:24 bag              ouch 20C
22:24 rangi            @wunder nzwn
22:24 huginn           bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 20.5°C (3:23 PM PDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
22:24 rangi            highly likely
22:24 bag              @wunder 93109
22:24 eythian_bucklame it's 11.25pm there, so probably not so much
22:24 bag              rangi I think I got you beat with weather today
22:23 mbalmer          any of the Marseille guys around?
22:21 mbalmer          jokes aside, it even comes with a unit test
22:21 mbalmer          sorry, we can't accomplish that, since it has to be written in Perl ;P
22:18 jcamins          Oh, one other requirement from me: it has to be not horrible to maintain.
22:18 mbalmer          and it's really a baby-steps approach
22:17 mbalmer          it does not break existing stuff.  that was one of the prerequisites.
22:17 jcamins          mbalmer: provided the work doesn't break existing functionality, I don't suppose I really care that much.
22:17 jcamins          So when next-cool-RDMS comes along, *I* don't have to do the work to support it.
22:17 jcamins          And if I'm abstracting things, I want something truly abstract.
22:16 mbalmer          and it does not need us to changed the DB stuff to much or apply a complete new paradigm.
22:16 bag              looks to be OOM...
22:16 bag              been watching it for a bit now ;)
22:15 oleonard         Gotcha, thanx
22:15 bag              :D
22:15 mbalmer          jcamins, well we can wait forever to support postgresql.  here is a solution that works, that is clean and easy to understand, and which does the job right.
22:15 bag              we are on it oleonard
22:15 oleonard         bag around?
22:14 jcamins          mbalmer: that's probably why I look at it and don't think it's a good idea while you look at it and think it is. Having read through the code, I would consider it a special-purpose abstraction layer.
22:14 mbalmer          rangi, it's only louder, not truer ;)
22:13 mbalmer          It is not even a layer of abstraction imo.
22:13 mbalmer          comeon, you know exactly what this is about.  generating SQL fragment for the DB in use, not more, not less.
22:12 rangi            if its in capitals it must be true
22:12 mbalmer          and it is not a DBI layer.
22:12 mbalmer          I see A LOT OF BENEFIT in this solution.
22:12 mbalmer          you have stock in MySQL ? ;)
22:12 jcamins          Not categorically, I just don't see enough benefit to justify writing our own special-purpose DBI layer.
22:11 mbalmer          and, you are against it?
22:11 jcamins          mbalmer: I did.
22:11 mbalmer          did you actually look at what we proposed?
22:10 jcamins          Minimally invasive is good, but then we end up with things like SQL Helper.
22:10 mbalmer          yeah, long term goals...
22:10 mbalmer          minimally invasive.
22:10 jcamins          With the long term goal being stability, sustainability, and general good quality, that would seem preferable.
22:09 mbalmer          dunno.  we provide a solution.
22:09 jcamins          mbalmer: okay, so why don't we fix the code?
22:08 mbalmer          bad code...
22:08 mbalmer          It totally ecpects a MySQL result.
22:08 mbalmer          jcamins, just look how "SHOW COLUMS FROM" in C4/ImportExport…. is being used.
22:08 jcamins          mbalmer: wouldn't it be better to work to actually eliminate MySQLisms?
22:07 mbalmer          so it's not enough for other DBs to create a functional equivalent, it has to be functional equivalent and mimick MySQL (which is wrong on son many levels, of course)
22:06 jcamins          mbalmer: why won't a generic solution work?
22:06 mbalmer          Koha as is, is deeply MySQLified.
22:05 mbalmer          in short, it's teh least invasice approach and a generic solution (aka sth from CPAN) won't work.
22:04 mbalmer          my hotel wifi is shaky, to say the least...
22:04 jcamins          mbalmer: I don't think your reply attached.
22:01 mbalmer          jcamins, replied to your worries.
22:00 mbalmer          heh, shift change ;)
21:59 cait             good night #koha
21:57 mbalmer          evening, koha..
21:55 rangi            cool
21:53 slef             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Summary#Travel_Tips updated
21:43 jcamins          I sure was, though.
21:43 jcamins          Other people may not be so confused if they go out the first door.
21:43 jcamins          slef: sure, go ahead.
21:41 slef             jcamins: OK if I post that to the wiki?
21:41 jcamins          cait: because I flew so often!
21:41 rangi            cya wizzyrea
21:41 cait             later wizzyrea :)
21:41 cait             ?
21:41 wizzyrea         later peeps
21:41 jcamins          cait: did I mention that the flight attendents between AMS and EDI knew me?
21:40 cait             you have an amazing memory
21:40 cait             wow
21:40 jcamins          The bus page is http://www.flybybus.com/
21:40 jcamins          So, I guess it's been a while, at this point.
21:40 jcamins          slef: 2009.
21:39 slef             jcamins: when do these details date from?
21:39 jcamins          (under the big sign that said "Fly by bus")
21:39 jcamins          Actually, I think the last time I was there they even had a kiosk selling tickets.
21:39 jcamins          slef: you're welcome.
21:38 slef             jcamins: cool, thanks.
21:38 jcamins          slef: yeah.
21:38 slef             jcamins: that the one that drops you at Waverley Bridge?
21:38 jcamins          Go up to the bus.
21:38 jcamins          There's also a sign that says "Fly by bus."
21:37 jcamins          You should see the big blue Airlink buses.
21:37 jcamins          Eventually you reach a bank of doors. I think there are three. Go out.
21:36 jcamins          (inside the terminal)
21:36 jcamins          It's not a very long walk, but you do want to walk up a bit.
21:36 jcamins          Walk straight by it, between the car rental stand and the exchange place.
21:35 jcamins          If you go out that door, you will get hopelessly lost and confused.
21:35 jcamins          Ignore it.
21:35 jcamins          When you come through customs, there is a clearly marked exit on your right.
21:35 jcamins          slef: these are the directions from the international arrivals area. Domestic arrivals are slightly closer, I think.
21:34 slef             jcamins: how does one reach the city from Edinburgh Airport then?
21:33 slef             it's rather irritating going afk for an hour, then having to log in again
21:33 slef             anyone know if I can lengthen my login timeout on the wiki, or if a sysadmin (gmcharlt? thd?) can?
21:32 bag              no not really - but hi gmcharlt
21:32 jcamins          gmcharlt: bag was looking for you.
21:31 slef             rangi: no problem. I'm in that bit of the code this weekk.
21:29 rangi            hehe
21:29 gmcharlt         heh, wrong window - ignore any discussion of harmful kitties ;)
21:29 gmcharlt         but in this case, I have to prove to the customer that it is
21:29 cait             this part of the world does :)
21:28 cait             hey eythian in bucklame
21:28 gmcharlt         oh, I'm quite sure it's harmless
21:28 jransom          wonders if the rst of the world knows about bucklame
21:27 wizzyrea         ^.^
21:27 wizzyrea         take a screenshot!
21:27 jransom          lol - poor cjh and its about time you lot learnt to read librarisn minds and not rely on what we write
21:27 wahanui          privet, gmcharlt
21:27 gmcharlt         howdy
21:27 wizzyrea         hi gmcharlt
21:27 cait             heya gmcharlt :)
21:27 * wizzyrea       does a doubletake
21:26 gmcharlt         programmers: we sometimes mistake ourselves for being the computers ;)
21:23 * cjh            is enjoying not being a *complete* idiot
21:23 rangi            not what you mean :)
21:23 rangi            we do what you say
21:23 rangi            programmers
21:23 rangi            hehe :)
21:20 jransom          rangi: discoverd the root of a bad bug fix was me giving giving bad instructions ... having to apologise profusely now to cjh
21:20 huginn           magnuse: The current temperature in Stavanger, Norway is 8.0°C (9:50 PM CET on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady).
21:20 magnuse          @wunder stavanger
21:20 * magnuse        is on the 20th floor of a hotel in stavanger :-)
21:20 magnuse          hiya rangi
21:20 jransom          magnus :)
21:19 rangi            hey magnuse :)
21:19 magnuse          kia ora jransom!!!
21:19 jcamins          Mmm. Pizza. I look forward to pizza Friday in nine days.
21:18 jransom          heya all
21:18 magnuse          hiya bag
21:18 magnuse          hehe
21:18 bag              heh
21:18 wahanui          it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
21:18 bag              heya magnuse
21:18 * magnuse        waves
21:14 cait             :)
21:13 rangi            awesome
21:12 cait             there has been some work done by gaetan and asaurat on the start page today
21:11 cait             lol
21:11 rangi            yay for styling the intranet!
21:11 cait             circ is next
21:07 cait             k
21:06 rangi            i think so
21:05 cait             same for link item?
21:05 rangi            yeah
21:05 rangi            hmm
21:02 cait             moveitem lives in cataloguing... but for styling... perhaps more catalog?
21:02 cait             hm
21:00 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , OCLC Connexion Gateway
21:00 rangi            slef: thanks for testing bug 7613
20:54 cait             hi jransom :)
20:52 rangi            heya jransom
20:45 sekjal           later, all
20:43 sekjal           I'm going to take a break.  hopefully I'll be back on later this evening to clean out more of the QAQ
20:40 jcamins          cait++
20:40 wizzyrea         hehe
20:40 rangi            heh
20:40 cait             because we need more cats in koha ;)
20:40 wizzyrea         conference fatigue
20:40 cait             and I have decided that the class will be named cat
20:40 wizzyrea         wait
20:40 jcamins          :)
20:40 wizzyrea         oy there is nothing worse than conference caffiene
20:40 cait             putting in ids and classes into cataloguing
20:40 cait             jcamins: I am
20:40 * sekjal         needs some caffeine.... serious conference fatigue setting in
20:40 jcamins          lol
20:40 wizzyrea         THISISYOURCODEONCAFFIENE
20:40 jcamins          "This is your code on caffeine."
20:40 jcamins          "This is your code."
20:39 wizzyrea         3x days of hackfest... it's prolly time for a break. :)
20:39 wizzyrea         no.
20:39 wizzyrea         wait.
20:39 rangi            excellent
20:39 wizzyrea         get more caffiene!
20:39 sekjal           looks good
20:39 jcamins          You should be doing relaxing hacking!
20:39 sekjal           rangi: pulled
20:39 libsysguy        Koha never sleeps
20:39 jcamins          There's no sleep during the hackfest!
20:39 jcamins          Sleep?
20:39 cait             lasts until friday
20:39 cait             only sleeping :)
20:39 cait             no not yet
20:39 libsysguy        is the hackfest over
20:38 libsysguy_afk    yayy
20:37 cait             yay :)
20:37 rangi            pushed
20:37 rangi            ok
20:31 rangi            pushed .. now im gonna merge master in .. and push again
20:26 rangi            right applying patches now
20:25 sekjal           I had it so well under control!
20:25 sekjal           oh, geeze, 34 bugs in the QAQ
20:22 sekjal           or a beer
20:22 libsysguy        brb
20:22 sekjal           I think I need a nap
20:22 libsysguy        sweet!
20:21 rangi            right ill do both then :)
20:21 sekjal           so we'll conflict on [% USE KohaDates %], but otherwise, both patches should be necessary
20:20 sekjal           mine fixed debar date
20:20 sekjal           libsysguy's patch fixed dropboxmode
20:20 sekjal           rangi:  actually, hang on
20:17 rangi            brb getting coffee
20:17 rangi            sweet as
20:16 sekjal           will show up as attached patch file
20:16 sekjal           rangi: sent another way
20:16 rangi            if thats easier
20:16 rangi            sekjal: can you push it somewhere and ill cherry-pick ?
20:16 wahanui          somebody said logs was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
20:16 mtj              logs?
20:15 wahanui          logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/
20:15 mtj              logs?
20:15 jcamins          *earlier
20:15 sekjal           rangi:  blast, my laptop is not set up right
20:15 jcamins          rangi: I didn't notice that wahanui had responded, but early I saw him not respond to "chat log," only to "logs."
20:14 libsysguy        yes rangi ignore mine
20:14 rangi            my computer at home :)
20:14 rangi            just in case you were wondering
20:14 rangi            same site
20:13 wahanui          logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/
20:13 jcamins          logs?
20:13 rangi            sekjal: the patch from libsysguy guy arrived .. which i ignore right? but no sign of yours yet
20:12 wahanui          chat log is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
20:12 mtj              chat log?
20:12 sekjal           erk, 7310
20:12 sekjal           there is also a DB rev number issue in the code pushed for 7301
20:11 rangi            so ill just merge master in and fix conflicts and push it
20:11 libsysguy        it might have been, I checked out and was testing
20:11 rangi            rebasing breaks history, and will make it a mess for anyone who has pulled that branch
20:11 sekjal           sorry, libsysguy, I thought it was a bug I'd made
20:11 libsysguy        sekjals skill is far superior to mine
20:11 rangi            ill merge from master
20:11 rangi            actually no i wont
20:10 libsysguy        rangi ignore my email
20:10 libsysguy        dang it sekjal
20:10 rangi            ill rebase it too and push it
20:10 sekjal           libsysguy:  I fixed that!
20:10 sekjal           a small one in catalogue/moredetail.pl, and updatedatabase.pl (of course)
20:10 libsysguy        returns.pl didn't know where the format_date function was
20:10 libsysguy        I found an error in circ/returns.pl during dropbox mode
20:09 sekjal           one in smart-rules.tt
20:09 sekjal           there are going to be some merge conflicts rebasing this branch for latest master
20:09 rangi            whats your patch for libsysguy ?
20:09 rangi            you better!
20:08 libsysguy        eek i better send rangi my patch as well
20:07 sekjal           fixes suspension in days, and that 'inverse' bug
20:07 sekjal           libsysguy:  I just sent rangi my patch
20:06 libsysguy        sekjal i've been gone most of the day...did I miss anything in regards to 5549?
19:55 cait             lol
19:54 jcamins          cait: I suggest you hold up a sign that says "WELCOME TO [SOMEWHERE-NOT-EDINBURGH]"
19:54 cait             I think she said something like I looked most tired and glad to be finally there
19:54 cait             I asked her later how she recognized me
19:54 cait             and was soooo glad to see her
19:54 cait             I had jo picking me up from the airport in wellington
19:54 kathryn          hi cait - he he good luck with that!
19:54 cait             to help
19:54 cait             I will be glad
19:54 cait             :)
19:53 rangi            so someone awake would be helpful
19:53 rangi            so will probably be zombies
19:53 rangi            we'll have been travelling for 40+ hours
19:51 cait             can't remember, but will probably be well rested and wait for the 2 tired nzers
19:51 cait             or 1?
19:51 rangi            so we will probably travel from the airport together
19:51 cait             yep about 2 hours later than me
19:51 rangi            same day as cait
19:51 rangi            eythian and I are coming in on singapore (then i guess BA)
19:50 jcamins          KLM is great for EDI-NYC.
19:49 cait             was ok
19:49 cait             I flew to marseille with them last year
19:49 slef             cool, not used them for years
19:48 cait             yes
19:48 cait             from zürich
19:48 slef             KLM?
19:48 cait             via amsterdam
19:48 cait             yes
19:48 slef             cait: to EDI?
19:48 cait             all booked
19:48 cait             also flying in
19:48 slef             mle: "Tickets are now available for travel up to and including Friday 08 June 2012, Click below to get ticket alerts" on http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/ so I guess it's not quite time to book if you want to return after hackfest.
19:48 cait             :)
19:47 * slef           did this for a prepaid internet dongle just before Christmas.
19:47 rangi            yay!
19:46 jcamins          rangi: getting from EDI airport to the city is very easy.
19:46 rangi            cool
19:46 slef             rangi: yes, walk into shops. Good to check for best deals closer to the time.
19:46 rangi            thanks mle
19:46 mle              rangi we can check that
19:46 rangi            they are able to be bought easily?
19:46 slef             mle: I'm guessing booking at http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/ is the cheapest trains London-Edinburgh? Web-only fares, collect at King's Cross departure gates.
19:45 rangi            also, pre paid sim cards .. with data plans
19:45 mle              slef just reminding folk that the cheap train tickets need to be booked asap
19:45 rangi            so any tips from getting from the airport into the general conf vicinity would be handy
19:45 rangi            mle: im flying in
19:45 slef             mle: I'm thinking that travel info and an "ask us" form on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ might be worthwhile.
19:44 slef             see if you can spot where the mail text came from :)
19:44 mle              anyone want travel help from london to edinburgh?  I can help you book tickets. if we book in the next few days some cheap ones may still be available.
19:43 wahanui          log is at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/
19:43 libsysguy        log?
19:43 libsysguy        chat log
19:41 rangi            slef++
19:41 rangi            thanks
19:41 slef             mail sent
19:39 kathryn          hi brooke : )
19:39 rangi            fixed
19:39 rangi            close enough
19:39 rangi            h
19:39 Brooke           hi kathryn
19:39 rangi            he
19:37 slef             rangi: 1-:00 UTC, really? ;-)
19:36 cait             slef++
19:35 Brooke           yes thanks slef
19:33 rangi            yay slef :)
19:33 rangi            so someone can do that email now
19:33 slef             shall I mail out about Roles?
19:33 rangi            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_4_April_2012
19:33 rangi            minutes updated, and next meeting page made
19:29 slef             coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
19:29 wahanui          slef: huh?
19:29 slef             wahanui: you swine
19:29 wahanui          slef: wish i knew
19:29 slef             wahanui: guidelines?
19:29 * druthb         pauses to try to parse thd's statement, then agrees with him.
19:29 slef             coding guidelines?
19:28 thd              Brooke only does a less than good job when absent.
19:28 data_doctor      talkulater!
19:28 druthb           Brooke++
19:28 Brooke           ta
19:28 mtj              cheers Brooke, very smooth !
19:28 * Brooke         blushes.
19:28 anitsirk         you did a good job from what i saw, Brooke :-)
19:27 Brooke           hooray I'm free. :D
19:27 huginn           Log:            http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-03-21-18.00.log.html
19:27 huginn           Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-03-21-18.00.txt
19:27 huginn           Minutes:        http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-03-21-18.00.html
19:27 huginn           Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 19:26:49 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:27 Brooke           #endmeeting
19:27 Brooke           #agreed Time and Date of Next General Meeting is 4 April 10.00 UTC
19:26 cait             +1
19:26 mtj              +1
19:25 thd              +1
19:25 wizzyrea         +1
19:25 * thd            exempts himself from email writing as he departs the city for a few days in search of cold weather.
19:25 rangi            +1
19:25 slef             +1
19:25 Brooke           +1 for this is good with you
19:25 wahanui          slef: I forgot next meeting
19:25 slef             wahanui: forget next meeting
19:25 Brooke           4 April 10 UTC
19:24 wahanui          next meeting is 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0
19:24 Brooke           next meeting
19:24 Brooke           so proper vote please
19:24 Brooke           #help someone send a reminder like yesterday about roles to be filled for next meeting
19:23 Brooke           cause if not, we need someone to
19:23 rangi            no
19:23 Brooke           rangi are you volunteering to do that?
19:23 Brooke           next one is meant to be 10.00 UTC
19:23 slef             NAFAIK. 10am UTC?
19:23 rangi            to give time for ppl to talk to husbands, wives, bosses etc
19:23 tajoli           for me +1
19:23 rangi            email about roles needs to go out asap then
19:23 sekjal           sound workable to me
19:22 cait             should work for me
19:22 Brooke           conflicts on that?
19:22 Brooke           4 April is the first Wednesday
19:22 cait             not sure
19:22 Brooke           whatevs.
19:22 Brooke           or not
19:22 Brooke           so we can have one for nominations and one for actual voting
19:22 Brooke           we might even have 2 in april if folks feel the need
19:22 Brooke           which I think we can do
19:21 Brooke           so the request was for before 23 april
19:21 Brooke           #topic Time and Date of Next General Meeting
19:20 * mle            chuckles
19:20 Brooke           any general stuff?
19:20 Brooke           #topic Miscellaneous
19:20 Brooke           any other old business apart from me?
19:20 thd              :)
19:19 Brooke           because there definitely seems like there was less minutia in this meeting, which is also happy
19:19 Brooke           there were a few things discussed over the lists, which I think is good
19:18 Brooke           there's not much meat there
19:18 Brooke           #topic Actions from Last Meeting
19:18 tajoli           just arrive
19:18 tajoli           yes
19:18 Brooke           so moving on
19:18 cait             hi zeno - back home?
19:18 anitsirk         hi cait
19:18 cait             hi anitsirk :)
19:17 tajoli           hi all
19:17 anitsirk         .. and all others
19:17 anitsirk         hi Brooke. :-)
19:16 cait             or something else being different?
19:16 cait             not sure
19:16 cait             itemlevel itypes?
19:16 cait             hm
19:16 sekjal           rangi: nor I
19:16 Brooke           speak of the devil :D
19:16 rangi            sweet, i still cant replicate the renewal issue
19:16 sekjal           I've got a patch ready to test that should fix the suspension in days issues found at hackfest
19:16 cait             and tested... and so on
19:15 cait             please don't only focus on ne features (I know we all love them) - but also look out for bugs to be fixed!
19:15 rangi            yay!
19:15 sekjal           hourly loans is nearly ready
19:15 rangi            yep
19:15 cait             there is lots of work to do!
19:15 cait             I started looking through the list of critical bugs soome days ago
19:14 cait             and bugs to be squashed
19:14 cait             there are sitll a lot of things to be tested
19:14 cait             even with all the hackfest librarians
19:14 cait             yes
19:14 rangi            http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2012/03/21/squashing-bugs/
19:13 slef             why do my sandboxes always fill with quicksand and eat me?
19:13 Brooke           if you don't link it, it doesn't exist ;)
19:13 sekjal           more to come
19:13 sekjal           lots of signoffs and QA passings so far this week
19:13 rangi            kristina did a nice post about it
19:13 Brooke           squash things.
19:13 Brooke           grab a sandbox
19:13 Brooke           It's Global Bug Squashing Week
19:13 Brooke           #topic GBSW
19:12 rangi            nengard++
19:12 rangi            sweet
19:12 mle              thd: kohacon12ATsoftwareDOTcoop should be operational now.  numbers, questions etc.
19:12 Brooke           eggsellent.
19:12 sekjal           btw, nengard says she accepts 3.10 Doc Manager
19:11 rangi            which is good
19:11 rangi            that is i think 7am thursday for me
19:11 slef             Not unless anyone has more questions?
19:11 slef             ok any more suggestions? I expect wed 19:00 UTC to be popular here, as it's roughly when we're all here.
19:11 Brooke           ?
19:11 Brooke           anything else on KohaCon
19:11 Brooke           #info KohaCon meetings Wednesdays at 18.00 mebbe
19:10 mle              great
19:10 cait             will be travelling until tuesday
19:10 cait             wednesday is fine for me
19:10 cait             heh
19:10 mle              BST ; )
19:10 slef             mle: UTC, BST or what? ;)
19:09 mle              wednesdays at 18:00
19:09 slef             OK, I'll pull 5 out of my nose
19:08 slef             Any first suggestions for a time/date? Give me 5 and I'll run a poll.
19:08 * Brooke         nods.
19:07 slef             Brooke: you might be right now, or at least there will be soon.
19:07 slef             I'm 90% sure there will be a Gold Sponsor package where you get everything we're offering in exchange for amounts > N, so if any organisations would like to suggest numbers, please do.
19:07 rangi            back
19:06 Brooke           could be wrong, though
19:06 Brooke           seems like there's enough material to at least warrant a meeting
19:06 thd              mle: a separate channel, really?
19:06 Brooke           dunno
19:06 mle              Brooke we shoudl have an IRC chan for KohaCon12
19:05 slef             We'll be posting a call for sponsors soon, but we've had a small setback with our first choice on that.
19:05 Brooke           will there be an IRC meeting about KohaCon?
19:04 slef             (at the volunteer side, not ours)
19:04 slef             ah, never mind, it just got stuck in some filters.
19:03 slef             did any known volunteers not get yesterday's or today's emails?
19:03 mle              thd good question.
19:03 slef             sorry about that
19:03 slef             ok, I just got confused
19:03 slef             help
19:03 thd              mle: Where is the place in which you are acquiring information about numbers?
19:02 mle              #Info if you are a looking for a sofa space ask me ASAP so that I can see what can be done. : )
19:01 rangi            Ok bus stop brb
19:01 mle              we are looking to pledgebank the excursion day, so we must get on with that. But I would be keen to get numbers/interest for a fishing trip.
19:01 Brooke           #Info If you want to crash and have no dough, please talk to mle about sofa spaces
19:00 mle              so I need numbers but if there is ineterest I can ask for sofa spaces
19:00 slef             wizzyrea: The next things to open are papers and general registrations
19:00 wizzyrea         and/or repeating yourself :)
19:00 slef             :)
19:00 slef             as I'm clearly so overloaded I've not time to type full words, clearly
18:59 slef             help by volunteering
18:59 slef             If you'd like to help volunteer, msg me for the email address.
18:59 rangi            Yep on that page is good I think
18:59 wizzyrea         so, slef++
18:59 wizzyrea         ! you're welcome but you really did it :P
18:59 Brooke           yes MLE
18:59 jcamins          mle: only the locals know where to get good haggis.
18:59 slef             Thanks to wizzyrea for help setting that page up.
18:58 mle              ther are lots of cheap hostels though ; /
18:58 slef             The next things to open are papers and general registrations, I think, which will be on that same web page.
18:58 mle              one question i have for this meeting is whether it would be handy to ask our Edinburgh friends for sofa spaces?
18:58 slef             for sponsors or visas or that sort of thing.
18:58 slef             #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/
18:57 slef             I've posted a form so people can request invitations at
18:57 * oleonard       waves, leaving for dinner
18:57 slef             we've got some great volunteers already, but could do with more
18:57 slef             goof ;)
18:57 slef             mle, say whatever you want, plus correct me when I good
18:56 slef             mle is leading on all things Edinburgh, I'm going to lead the schedule
18:56 talljoy          #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions
18:56 Brooke           cait yep I agree, we'll sort that later, though
18:56 mle              k
18:56 slef             ok
18:55 Brooke           #topic KohaCon2012
18:55 cait             I thnk we should have the next meeting before release then - only noting for later
18:55 Brooke           take it away MJ
18:55 Brooke           #topic KohaCon201`2
18:55 Brooke           beards--
18:55 bag              beards++
18:55 thd              We can discuss the problem of an empty main role further if it actually happens.
18:54 mtj              hmm, well sekjal has a beard... does that not give him more QA authority?
18:54 Brooke           so think about volunteering
18:54 jcamins          Makes sense.
18:54 wizzyrea         yes, lets do that.
18:54 Brooke           yeah thd prolly discussed this to death
18:54 rangi            And see who applies
18:54 wizzyrea         if he feels able.
18:54 thd              We need not choose today.
18:54 Brooke           <.<
18:54 Brooke           >.>
18:54 Brooke           what if the QAM were Wizzyrea?
18:54 wizzyrea         though I'd probably be happier if sekjal just stayed on :P
18:54 rangi            How about we post to the mailing list
18:54 jcamins          sekjal++
18:53 thd              wizzyrea++
18:53 Brooke           that seems like more articulations than are strictly necessary
18:53 bag              or what wizzyrea said :)
18:53 sekjal           if everyone is comfortable with that
18:53 bag              there we go thd is thinking outside the box :)
18:53 wizzyrea         or what if the qam was really the one to say "these problems identified by the assistants are no-go's, this fails"
18:53 sekjal           and if it's not a change in normal workflow, then I think I could take on the additional work going from QAA to QAM
18:52 thd              If no one would come forward, for QAM, the authority of main QAM could rotate by week, or by 'tag you are it'.
18:52 mtj              ok, so we may not get a QAM role confirmed today... :)
18:52 sekjal           if we're thinking of QAM in this regard, as a tie-breaker and responsible party, then it doesn't sound like it's that different than the day to day of QA
18:51 jcamins          Okay, consider the situation with five QAAs.
18:51 jcamins          (and then you'd have a deadlock)
18:51 jcamins          sekjal: there has to be someone who can say definitively "this does not pass QA." With four QAAs, you have a situation where everyone has to offer an opinion.
18:50 sekjal           ... that doesn't sound right, though, since RM can jump QA, at his own discretion and peril
18:50 Brooke           pretty much
18:50 sekjal           perhaps it's just that QAM is ultimately on the hook for all the QA team?
18:49 bag              thanks sekjal that is what I was trying to say
18:49 cait             and we really need one
18:49 sekjal           I'm not sure I see the immediate difference in workflow
18:49 cait             bag: I think it's too early to say noone volunteers
18:49 sekjal           but whether one stands apart from the rest as 'manager'...
18:49 bag              well what if no one volunteers for QAM rangi
18:49 Brooke           ^
18:49 sekjal           QA team is required
18:49 * Brooke         does the happy dance.
18:48 cait             but qama not qam
18:48 rangi            Bag ur joking right?
18:48 cait             I can offer to think about it
18:48 * Brooke         is pretty darn sure.
18:48 bag              we've had releases with no QA before and I think we need to at least think about how to work with assistants
18:48 cait             I am not sure I would be good for this job
18:48 * Brooke         bribes Cait with sweets.
18:48 cait             I am torn
18:48 oleonard         Sure, if we're allowed to draft people we can just get rangi again :P
18:47 rangi            Not if she doesn't want to
18:47 Brooke           anchio Brendan
18:47 bag              but mainly it's better than nothing
18:47 bag              which I think cait could do :)
18:47 sekjal           or at least that's how it worked this last cycle
18:47 sekjal           I think the only difference between assistants and the manager is as tie-breaker and work allocater
18:47 rangi            Bag: don't think that will work
18:46 Brooke           bag how'd that work?
18:46 cait             hm?
18:46 * chris_n        points cait to the koha user's list
18:46 bag              how about a bunch of assistants but no M
18:46 * jcamins        too
18:46 cait             I like rangi's idea
18:45 Brooke           Bus Driver's empty
18:45 rangi            We can't convince Marcel to do Qam and get another assistant?
18:45 wizzyrea         mtj you'd probably be good at that.
18:45 mtj              hmm, i think i could help out with some QA stuff, too?
18:44 cait             hopefully one day
18:44 cait             I think qam manager requiresmore skills than I currently have
18:43 rangi            Assistant makes sense
18:43 Brooke           does Cait have the time for QAM?
18:42 * Brooke         helps oleonard.
18:42 * sekjal         is uneasy about volunteering for a 3rd QAM term, with the recent job change
18:42 * oleonard       checks the locks on sekjal's shackles
18:42 cait             quick, someone should edit the wiki ;)
18:42 rangi            Or manager?
18:42 rangi            Cool assistant?
18:42 cait             sekjal++
18:42 dpavlin          sekjal++
18:42 jcamins          sekjal++
18:41 * sekjal         would like to keep contributing to QA efforts
18:41 cait             not afaik
18:41 jcamins          cait: has joubu said anything about continuing (or not)?
18:41 cait             we really need to find qam and one more assistant I think
18:40 cait             yep
18:40 slef             #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.10
18:40 rangi            Qam is the big one IMHO
18:40 Brooke           would anyone be so kind as to send out a message to the lists looking for help?
18:40 mtj              rangi:  *nod* and jcamins , yep :)
18:40 jcamins          Or packaging manager and grasshopper? :)
18:39 cait             I think that's what we did for 3.8
18:39 rangi            Ask eythian about the debian Perl team
18:39 jcamins          mtj: could you put yourself and eythian down as packaging managers?
18:39 Brooke           oleonard I agree and would add that it's rapidly approaching
18:39 rangi            It's not easily split mtj but u could do some cpan packaging that would help
18:38 Brooke           #help Fill the Slots on the Roles for 3.10 page with Volunteers
18:38 oleonard         Since we don't have all the volunteers, there's not much we can do. Except maybe propose a deadline?
18:38 thd              fredericd: are you extant?
18:37 Brooke           yeah.
18:37 mtj              i wanna do packing stuff too
18:37 Brooke           and uh
18:37 Brooke           find someone that's done it in the past to see if you're a match
18:37 thd              I suspect lack of names in the wiki for roles is from lack of attention to 3.10 roles in the wiki.
18:37 Brooke           think about if you want to volunteer for one of those posts
18:37 Brooke           enywhooo
18:36 slef             ah, the internet, top stalking tool
18:36 sekjal           we'd met for lunch earlier
18:36 sekjal           nengard is in her room working on CiL presentation, I think
18:36 rangi            Im sure eythian will continue packaging
18:36 bag              she's at or on her way to computers in libraries
18:36 slef             Brooke: I think she's at an event too
18:36 bag              I think nengard is up for doc manager again…
18:36 Brooke           nengard's puppy is sick, so perhaps that is why she is elsewhere.
18:35 libsysguy        #info Elliott Davis - UT Tyler
18:35 jcamins          Three important roles, at least. Translation manager, QAM, and packaging manager, assuming that nengard is willing to do docs again.
18:35 libsysguy        back
18:34 cait             ok, my scrolling is broken again
18:34 wizzyrea         it's on the agenda :)
18:34 * cait           searches for the link
18:34 wizzyrea         db doc manager and doc manager?
18:34 Brooke           #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.10
18:34 cait             translation manager and qa manager
18:34 Brooke           looks like way more than 2 cait
18:34 cait             we are still missing candidates for 2 important roles
18:33 rangi            Then quit moaning :)
18:33 Brooke           rangi yep
18:33 wizzyrea         paul is gone, that job started before the meeting :P
18:33 rangi            So 3.10 roles?
18:33 bag              thanks
18:33 rangi            Just don't push things and Jenkins will be quiet
18:33 sekjal           bag:   no, haven't seen gmcharlt here
18:32 bag              ah thanks melia  - well anyways sekjal if you see him - ask him :)
18:32 melia            galen said he plans to have a branch submitted by this friday for DOM indexing
18:32 jenkins_koha     Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
18:32 jenkins_koha     slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'mute'
18:32 slef             jenkins_koha: mute
18:31 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7748 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Date not formatted on "Add orders from iso2709 file" page
18:31 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7169 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Change booksellers search results display
18:31 jenkins_koha     * adrien.saurat: Bug 7748: use of TT date filter on addorderiso2709
18:31 jenkins_koha     * maxime.pelletier: Singlebranchmode was always 0 causing the branch to be null and the reservations in the OPAC not to work in singlebranchmode.
18:31 jenkins_koha     * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Follow-up: Change booksellers search results display
18:31 bag              I think his goal was before freature freeze
18:31 jenkins_koha     * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Change booksellers search results display
18:31 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7597 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , fines not recording the right info in the stats table
18:31 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 5 - Remove my from $branch, which was masking previous declaration
18:31 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 4 - Change C4::Acounts::WriteOff to WriteOffFee
18:31 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 3 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table
18:31 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 2 - move sub writeoff to C4::Accounts
18:31 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 1 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table
18:31 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #670: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/670/
18:31 bag              if so ask him about DOM indexing for biblios
18:31 rangi            #info Chris Cormack at the bus stop
18:31 Brooke           #topic Roles for 3.10
18:31 bag              sekjal have you seen gmcharlt at computers in libraries
18:31 Brooke           moving on then
18:30 larryb           #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions
18:30 Brooke           #Info Feature Freeze is Monday. Yes really.
18:30 bag              gmcharlt: you around?
18:30 sekjal           should be ready before feature freeze
18:29 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
18:29 sekjal           working on bug 5549 fixes
18:29 Brooke           any other burning 3.8 commentary?
18:29 larryb           hello
18:29 dpavlin          sekjal: it *probably* will help with mod_perl, since we can wrap plack in mod_perl, but starman seems like better soltion, mostly because of leeking memory...
18:28 sekjal           awesome
18:28 Brooke           sweet :D good to know
18:28 dpavlin          Brooke: it does help a bit with opac (mostly module loading time)
18:27 bag              sekjal: it should
18:27 sekjal           dpavlin:  will plack work help with running Koha on mod_perl?
18:27 Brooke           dpavlin does it speed the opac searching a bit? I've noticed a difference in speed between what I think is a fuzzy search and not. Hopefully that whittles some of the time off.
18:26 bag              dpavlin: I'd also suggest trying starman too - or at least testing it…  :)
18:26 * slef           has wine. Not French, though.
18:26 bag              right - it's circ that matters the most :)
18:26 cait             no wine, but we had cheese :)
18:26 Brooke           hopefully Paul is filling you all with wine and cheese :D
18:25 dpavlin          opac is much more stable in plack than intranet and it's already used by one franch library in production.
18:25 bag              ah yeah with help from hdl we did that in NZ..  but there were certain problems :)
18:25 Brooke           thanks everyone at the hackfest
18:25 Brooke           cait++
18:25 cait             and have been working on patches all day that are in bugzilla now :)
18:25 Brooke           #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack Plack and Performance stuff
18:25 cait             bag: I think they only began this week
18:24 bag              ah cool yeah I saw that
18:24 bag              I'd be more than willing to throw that up on a community testing server
18:24 dpavlin          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack is probably good place to get started with latest development
18:24 bag              hmm dpavlin do you have a git repo somewhere that we could look at?  Or your plack configs
18:23 cait             dpavlin: testing is good :)
18:23 sekjal           #info Ian Walls, 3.8 QAM
18:23 dpavlin          but, I *do* intend to run plack from next week on in my library, so... ;-)
18:22 dpavlin          We won't have full plack in 3.8 for sure, but I hope that some changes which are prereq will land before freeze
18:22 sekjal           sorry I'm late
18:22 cait             yes dpavlin++
18:22 Brooke           also dpavlin++
18:22 cait             I mean a proof of concept and starting work
18:22 cait             not sure .) dpavlin?
18:22 Brooke           hooray for that :D
18:22 cait             I think it will probably be
18:21 jcamins          Brooke: I could be mistaken.
18:20 jcamins          Brooke: my understanding was that this is a proof-of-concept for 3.10.
18:20 oleonard         Perhaps I misunderstood what you were referring to
18:20 oleonard         Oh, if I'm mistaken dpavlin correct me
18:20 Brooke           in which case we'll move on
18:20 Brooke           unless no one can tell us that's here
18:20 dpavlin          oleonard: It wont?
18:19 Brooke           I think that's scarily relevant :D
18:19 Brooke           why
18:19 oleonard         besides, dpavlin's work won't be in 3.8
18:19 data_doctor      sure thing :)
18:18 jcamins          data_doctor: that's probably better discussed after the meeting.
18:18 slef             Brooke: ah. I was unavailable last meeting, so couldn't offer :)
18:18 data_doctor      In what areas do you see performance gains in 3.8?
18:18 Brooke           no one wanted to do me jorb.
18:17 Brooke           slef: I was unavailable the first week
18:17 dpavlin          s/lese/else/
18:16 dpavlin          plack helpd a bit... we have 0.7-2.5 s page load with plack (slow for search results, fast for eveyrhing lese)
18:16 cait             perhaps it was a time confusion
18:16 cait             so most have gone home, we are at the hotel now
18:16 oleonard         slef, I think we must have gotten something mixed up somehow
18:16 cait             it's evening
18:16 chris_n          hackfest_participants++
18:16 slef             cait: I though the reason for this being so late in the month was so it was during Marseille hackfest :-/
18:16 Brooke           the agenda also says ginourmous performance gain
18:15 chris_n          testing++
18:15 cait             there is a big group testing
18:15 cait             and the mailnig lists show that clearly :)
18:15 Brooke           so I was hopeful :)
18:15 oleonard         The librarians here at Hackfest are working very hard to test
18:15 Brooke           the Apologies said that, but I saw a paul p bounce in and out earlier
18:15 data_doctor      I'm feeling chilly already
18:15 cait             good point
18:14 oleonard         The agenda says feature freeze Monday
18:14 cait             paul_p is not going to be here tonight
18:14 Brooke           #topic Roadmap to 3.8
18:14 mle              #info Matthew Edmondson, sc
18:13 data_doctor      Great work!
18:13 data_doctor      Compared to 3.5
18:12 data_doctor      Looking forward to faster pageloads on patron records!
18:12 Brooke           any questions on 3.6 folks?
18:12 Brooke           :)
18:12 chris_n          :)
18:12 chris_n          that's it for 3.6
18:11 chris_n          so that's put a bit of a cramp in my schedule
18:11 chris_n          for those of you who may not know, my wife had a double cervical spine fusion earlier this month
18:11 chris_n          but may not be able to make it until second week in April
18:11 chris_n          I plan to do a March 3.6 release
18:10 chris_n          ok
18:10 chris_n          me again, heh? ;-)
18:10 chris_n          #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC
18:10 Brooke           #topic Roadmap to 3.6
18:10 Brooke           movin' on then
18:10 Brooke           any questions for the generous Chris N?
18:09 Brooke           okie dokie
18:09 chris_n          I think that's it for 3.4
18:09 * rangi          is doing kids breakfast will be around from the bus
18:09 chris_n          but not this month unfortunately
18:09 chris_n          I hope to do at least one  more release
18:09 chris_n          3.4 has taken a back seat atm
18:08 Brooke           no problem, we suck a lot of work out of ye
18:08 chris_n          here. sorry
18:08 slef             confused the hell out of me
18:08 wizzyrea         ping chris_n
18:08 slef             cool. I'd got November's for some reason :-/
18:08 Brooke           sweet, ta
18:07 mtj              #info last Koha IRC meeting notes -> http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-12-07-18.00.html
18:07 Brooke           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_21_March_2012
18:07 * slef           looks for the agenda
18:07 JesseM           #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater Solutions
18:07 Brooke           #topic Roadmap to 3.4
18:06 Brooke           and no one is saying a word, soooooo
18:06 JesseM           #info
18:06 Brooke           nuffin in the agenda here
18:06 bag              :D
18:06 NateC            :D
18:05 NateC            #info Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions
18:05 dpavlin          #info Dobrica Pavlinusic, FFZG
18:05 Brooke           #topic Announcements
18:05 Brooke           right moving along
18:04 * cait           whispers at Nate #info! :)
18:04 NateC            Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions!
18:04 mtj              #info mason, kohaaloha, nz
18:04 slef             #info MJ Ray, software.coop
18:02 ago43            #info Albert Oller, ByWater Solutions
18:02 data_doctor      #info Fred Pierre, Stow-Munroe Falls Public Library, Ohio
18:02 thd              #info Thomas  Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:02 melia            oops, let me try again. #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions
18:02 melia            #info
18:02 mveron           #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag, Allschwil/Basel, Switzerland
18:01 cait             #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
18:01 wizzyrea         #info Liz Rea, NEKLS
18:01 druthb           #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions
18:01 bag              #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions
18:01 jcamins          #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
18:01 oleonard         #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
18:01 Brooke           #topic Introductions
18:01 Brooke           please use #info to identify yerself for the record
18:00 Brooke           Haere Mai welcome to the Koha Community General IRC meeting
18:00 huginn           Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00 huginn           Meeting started Wed Mar 21 18:00:17 2012 UTC.  The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00 Brooke           #startmeeting
18:00 cait             hopes her window properly auto scrolls now
18:00 * Brooke         cracks the knuckles in preparation for the meeting...
17:59 slef             Brooke: Edinburgh's up
17:59 wizzyrea         mmmm
17:59 Brooke           mmmm grapefruit.
17:59 slef             oleonard: bonjour matelot! Sont ces pamplemousses a vôtre?
17:59 Brooke           what's up homie?
17:58 slef             yo Brooke
17:58 * Brooke         is jealous of oleonard.
17:57 wizzyrea         hehe
17:57 oleonard         Now if only huginn could have taught me French too
17:57 wizzyrea         thd: you would love the weather here today
17:57 * oleonard       is so much more prepared for Europe having been trained by huginn to understand °C
17:56 thd              data_doctor: For me, a delightful day is a nice cool and gentle rain all day suppressing the pollen.
17:56 * Brooke         rubs the olde eyes.
17:56 Brooke           for reals?
17:56 Brooke           25C
17:55 data_doctor      and setting record temperatures!
17:55 data_doctor      very delightful outside today!
17:54 huginn           data_doctor: The current temperature in Kent/Brimfield, Portage County, Ohio is 25.0°C (1:51 PM EDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
17:54 data_doctor      @wunder kent ohio
17:54 huginn           bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.8°C (10:54 AM PDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
17:54 bag              @wunder 93109
17:54 * thd            thinks about moving to Norway where thd's ancestors were comfortable in a somewhat Arctic climate with much darkness.
17:54 jcamins          It just smells like New York City here.
17:53 data_doctor      oops
17:53 huginn           data_doctor: downloading the Perl source
17:53 data_doctor      @wunderground 44240
17:53 data_doctor      The magnolia trees bloomed yesterday - wonderful aroma in the evening...
17:52 Brooke           hooray sled!
17:52 data_doctor      although I did have one day to sled before it melted.
17:52 data_doctor      not enough snow
17:52 Brooke           wow
17:51 data_doctor      I was not able top cross-country ski this year in Ohio
17:49 * Brooke         looks at Owen and chances a growl at Jenkins.
17:49 * kyleh          is done for the day. He got a *very* early start.
17:49 cait             t
17:49 thd              Is there a jenkins_koha meeting mode?
17:48 * oleonard       pats jenkins_koha protectively
17:48 thd              Can Jenkins not be tamed?
17:48 Brooke           I hope we don't get Jenkins spam half way through the meeting
17:48 Brooke           ugh
17:47 thd              I should have been mostly free of the effects of my pollen allergy until a brief period in May quickly ended by summer heat.
17:46 jenkins_koha     Starting build #670 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #668 3 h 30 mn ago)
17:45 thd              Blooming has started months earlier in NYC.
17:45 Brooke           one of my fencing mates was yelling at his pears not to bud a few weeks back XD
17:45 wizzyrea         same with the bradford pears here too
17:45 Brooke           seems that way here, too
17:45 oleonard         the cherry blossoms are at least two weeks earlier in Ohio than last year I think
17:45 * thd            has been miserable at the wrong time of year.
17:44 * thd            is allergic to Brooke's roses and all flowering plants.
17:43 Brooke           I want to get on over to the Cherry Blossom Festival but it's all overcast and crummy.
17:43 Brooke           I don't think I'm like to forget roses in full bloom round New Year's in me courtyard
17:43 clrh             bye
17:43 * thd            is normally functioning maximally during winter as long as it is not excessively cold.
17:41 * thd            has suffered greatly from lack of winter.
17:40 oleonard         Pretty much
17:40 thd              oleonard: Have you missed winter in Ohio?
17:39 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7748: use of TT date filter on addorderiso2709 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58e3065af4168a39d4af01eeee6ee7bad6db57ce> / Singlebranchmode was always 0 causing the branch to be null and the reservations... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b67e1304f6833fb1b2637a1fd78be124dff7649f> / Bug 7169: Follow-up: Change booksellers search results display <http://git
17:39 thd              hello oleonard
17:38 oleonard         Hi Brooke, thd
17:38 wahanui          hola, Brooke
17:38 Brooke           howdy
17:38 Oak              Hello Brooke :)
17:34 * slef           goes to get coffee
17:31 jcamins          Hello.
17:31 cait             hi jcamins
17:31 * jcamins        is ready for the meeting... and a whole half hour early!
17:26 Oak              kia ora #koha
17:09 bag              totally :)
17:09 paul_p           bag and once the new updatedatabase system will be pushed, it will even be handiest...
17:09 bag              3.8 is shaping up as a pretty sweet release :)
17:09 paul_p           (note that atm, all sandboxes have been switched to unimarc : we have many librarians playing like mad with them this week)
17:08 paul_p           ;-)
17:08 bag              YAY!!!  I love it...
17:08 paul_p           bag once i'll be able to push on git.koha-community.org / contrib.git i'll push everything (including documentation ;-) )
17:07 bag              heh addition not additional ;)
17:06 bag              that's a really great great additional
17:06 chris_n          kittens and sandboxes?
17:06 bag              is the source code available for that?  I think sometime soon - I will set up another one here :)
17:06 bag              heya paul_p that sandbox is pretty sweet :)
17:05 paul_p           look in etc/
17:05 paul_p           hi kyleh. I think it's the debian package only
17:05 kyleh            hey all, I need to modify the template that generates koha's apache configuration file, is it debian/templates/apache-site.conf.in, is is that just for the debian packages?
17:00 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: Bug 7310 follow-up: DBRev
17:00 jenkins_koha     * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310 Followup: Warnings for nothingdeleted and somedeleted for staff client.
17:00 jenkins_koha     * m.de.rooy: 7310 Indentation followup replacing leading tabs with spaces
17:00 jenkins_koha     * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310 Followup for sysprefs.sql
17:00 jenkins_koha     * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Updated VirtualShelves unit test
17:00 jenkins_koha     * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Improving list permissions: Deleting patron
17:00 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
17:00 jenkins_koha     * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Code changes for Improving list permissions
17:00 jenkins_koha     * m.de.rooy: 7310a: Improving list permissions: Changing Koha SQL structure
17:00 jenkins_koha     * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Improving lists permissions -- New prefs
17:00 jenkins_koha     * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: DB revision for Improving list permissions
17:00 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #669: UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/669/
16:35 oleonard         Hackfest is disbanding for the evening... not sure if anyone will be at the meeting...?
16:32 * jcamins_away   leaves again.
16:32 jcamins_away     Thanks.
16:31 wizzyrea         *nod*
16:30 jcamins_away     Meeting in 1.5 hours?
16:26 chobbs           Updated version: http://pastebin.com/73h7HjqU Any thoughts?
16:25 slef             heh
16:22 chobbs           Grrr, never mind, I already discovered a problem with it :) not checking the date on issues
16:20 chobbs           Would somebody be willing to sanity check this fix for my out-of-date inventory file? http://pastebin.com/uutDUzEP
16:16 sekjal           lunch time... back when I can find wifi and a place to plug in
16:16 jenkins_koha     Starting build #669 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:09 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7310 follow-up: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ceb81cfc5200341f1782c754df47516f1ed932af> / Bug 7310 Followup: Warnings for nothingdeleted and somedeleted for staff client. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95e513f400e9f79798131f175370d0d7e600cd4c> / 7310 Indentation followup replacing leading tabs with spaces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=
16:08 marcelr          not only a bad idea for 3.6 also rebasing nightmare ;)
16:07 marcelr          paul_p++
16:06 paul_p           ;-)
16:06 marcelr          paul_p: you did it!
16:06 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client
16:06 dpavlin          cait: Bug 7213 might be of interest to you :-)
16:04 chobbs           Anyone have suggestions on my inventory issue? Or was it a case of tl;dr?
16:04 chobbs           not exactly fancy (pretty much out of the box)
16:03 chobbs           Morthland:  Here's a K-12 school district version: http://koha.nhusd.k12.ca.us/
16:03 sekjal           will work on this fix
16:03 paul_p           (and if someone request it in hours, we will quote that enhancement :D :D )
16:03 sekjal           ok
16:03 oleonard         Morthland, Or demos via koha-community.org
16:03 paul_p           yep, probably OK
16:03 paul_p           but even this option seem rare.
16:02 sekjal           okay, so the debar duration is in days
16:02 oleonard         Morthland: http://search.myacpl.org
16:02 paul_p           sekjal a rule that could be possible being "1 hour late => 1 day debarred" seem more possible.
16:02 paul_p           sekjal we spoke of that yesterday, and we don't know any library that could have a rule like "check in 1 hour late ? 1 hour debarred"
16:01 Morthland        where can I find an example of a koha opac?
16:01 chobbs           oleonard:  Ahh, bummer.
16:01 sekjal           paul_p and other Fines in Days users:  does borrower debarment date need to be a datetime?
16:00 oleonard         No, that controls whether the staff is warned on the circulation page a certain number of days ahead of the expiration date
16:00 chobbs           oleonard:  Is that what 'NotifyBorrowerDeparture ' is for?
15:56 cait             probably tied to the systempreference
15:55 cait             there is
15:54 oleonard         Is there no notice for warning patrons their accounts will expire soon?
15:53 chobbs           Hi all! We have some inventory barcode files that were collected last August but never submitted for processing. Obviously, many of these items have since circulated. I want to create a stored proc that will update the datelastseen, as well as check in anything that hasn't since circulated but is still issued. Any thing else I need to look for?
15:52 oleonard         Unfortunately the description isn't clear that it affects only the OPAC
15:52 wizzyrea         true.
15:52 oleonard         At least you can find the preference when searching for "lists"
15:51 wizzyrea         because virtualshelves makes no sense - it's lists everywhere in the UI
15:51 Morthland        hmm?
15:51 wizzyrea         too bad it's be a pain to change that syspref.
15:50 oleonard         Administration -> System preferences -> virtualshelves
15:50 marcelr          morthland: via a syspref
15:50 Morthland        How can I disable lists in OPAC?
15:48 marcelr          paul_p: great!
15:48 vfernandes       it's possible to remove hifens from ISBN OPAC searches?
15:48 paul_p           OK, 9 patches applied (marcelr= I just wanted to say I am on 7310)
15:47 vfernandes       hi guyes
15:44 marcelr          yes?
15:43 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Passed QA , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
15:43 paul_p           marcelr on bug 7310
15:42 paul_p           cait thx ;-)
15:42 cait             paul_p: forget it- I have signed off
15:42 paul_p           marcelr yep
15:32 cait             paul_p: it would be nice to get some feedback for successful installation
15:31 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Failed QA , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items
15:31 marcelr          bug 6199
15:31 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , Shelving Location facet instead of Branch facet when only 1 branch configured
15:31 marcelr          bug 7401
15:31 marcelr          paul_p: did you already see 7310 again?
15:30 cait             I don't get any success message... is this by design?
15:30 cait             but
15:30 cait             I am testing
15:30 cait             hm
15:30 paul_p           cait, that can be an option...
15:29 cait             paul_p: will we get chocolate for not telling your wife about git? ;)
15:29 cait             tsting
15:27 paul_p           Joubu marcelr = QAing 7401
15:22 paul_p           (but don't tell my wife -about git-)
15:22 paul_p           cait: perfectly fair ;-)
15:22 paul_p           did I say I love git already ?
15:22 cait             this = what I am working on now
15:22 cait             but first finish this
15:21 cait             no i will look at it
15:21 * cait           is playing dumb
15:21 paul_p           Joubu / marcelr = QAing bug 6199 now
15:21 * cait           huh?
15:21 oleonard         Did you hear that cait? paul_p is talking to you :P
15:20 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7780 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , fix translator tool verbosity
15:20 paul_p           oleonard or cait or dpavlin = i'd like to have a signoff on bug 7780 ! (will be great for the sandbox message sent by cron ;-) )
15:00 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly
15:00 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7734 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable
15:00 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Use of date filters in basket pages
15:00 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7749 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Not all OKs on the start page are translatable
15:00 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6027 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion
15:00 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: bug 7092 follow-up: DBRev number
15:00 jenkins_koha     * magnus: Bug 7092 - Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly
15:00 jenkins_koha     * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7734: NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable
15:00 jenkins_koha     * adrien.saurat: Bug 7744: use of TT date filters on basket pages
15:00 jenkins_koha     * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7749: Not all OKs on the start page are translatable
15:00 jenkins_koha     * kyle: Bug 6027 - Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion
15:00 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #668: SUCCESS in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/668/
15:00 oleonard         There are some issues I'm aware of. I don't have IE on this laptop bug I can make suggestions if you have examples
14:59 edveal           Good to know...
14:59 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients
14:59 oleonard         Bug 6865
14:59 oleonard         edveal, there were recently some CSS changes pushed which cause some differences in IE
14:58 edveal           Anyone out there experiencing issues with css for #opac-main-search on IE. I have a number of sites that all of a sudden the background images or color they have is not showing on IE. I have IE 8 only for testing.
14:47 data_doctor      Looks Great!
14:46 cait             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_logo_design
14:41 huginn           04Bug 7172: major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency
14:41 dpavlin          plack omnibus patch: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7172
14:31 paul_p           matts : ptet pas la sortie d'un diff, mais ca a une drole de tête
14:30 matts            effectively indeed bon sûr c'est bien sang !
14:30 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4032 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , XSLT systempreference should take a path to file rather than YesNo
14:30 paul_p           C4/Search.pm                                       |    3 +-
14:30 paul_p           ---
14:30 paul_p           than YesNo
14:30 paul_p           Subject: [PATCH] Bug 4032:XSLT systempreference takes a path to file rather
14:30 paul_p           Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:12:16 +0100
14:30 matts            -_-
14:30 paul_p           From: =?UTF-8?q?St=C3=A9phane=20Delaune?= <stephane.delaune@biblibre.com>
14:30 paul_p           From 0e84678b1ec58c6a1672528f9516cb800bc4eb96 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
14:30 paul_p           un patch, ca commence par ca:
14:30 paul_p           matts c'est pas un patch ca ! c'est la sortie d'un diff !
14:29 huginn           04Bug 7767: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , acqui/basketgroup.pl: our $template scoping
14:29 matts            paul_p, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7767
14:19 sekjal           time for my first session of the day... but I'll try to poke at it more as I have time today
14:18 sekjal           around line 1800 of C4/Circulation.pm.  the handling of fine day intervals has not caught up.  mixing apples and oranges
14:17 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7092 follow-up: DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2225bbc62c6d358f207c26c24f97dff74c5c18ea> / Bug 7092 - Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=20fd03724aca67beb98b09dbf2275a81a1f8a3a7> / Bug 7734: NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh
14:17 sekjal           libsysguy:  I think I've nailed down the culprit
14:16 jenkins_koha     Starting build #668 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:09 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5482 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names
14:09 oleonard         cait, follow-up attached to Bug 5482
14:08 sekjal           solution:  just drop support for suspension in days :-p
14:08 sekjal           that's got to be it
14:08 sekjal           back to sub _FixFineDaysOnReturn
14:08 sekjal           libsysguy: my research is leading my in circles
14:07 marcelr          i think i must split it
14:07 cait             yeah, I want to help to get it into koha
14:06 marcelr          me too ;)
14:06 cait             and I think it's a great feature
14:05 cait             I know
14:05 cait             if not tomorrow I fear it will not be done this week
14:05 marcelr          i am running this in production for one year already
14:05 cait             hm ok
14:05 marcelr          no time for it tomorrow, i am afraid; problems are at the unimarc side
14:05 cait             I am not sure how to approach this
14:05 cait             or could you split out some of the features?
14:05 cait             or were there other problems?
14:05 cait             what's going wrong for unimarc
14:05 cait             perhaps we can figure out here, with the testing librarians
14:04 marcelr          ok
14:04 cait             do you think there is a chance to get that rebased and perhaps spend some time on it otmororw?
14:04 cait             i was talking to marijana about your great patch for sru
14:04 marcelr          paul_p: could you head to 7310 ?
14:04 marcelr          hi cait
14:03 cait             hi marcelr
14:03 marcelr          hi koha
14:02 paul_p           the biggest part of them being ENH !
14:01 paul_p           26 patches "signed-off" to pick from
14:01 * paul_p         heads for some patches to QA...
14:01 paul_p           the RM is hungry of patches to push :D ...
14:00 paul_p           ;-)
14:00 paul_p           mveron++
13:56 sekjal           or maybe just confusing
13:56 sekjal           libsysguy:  no, not the call to inverse... though that does look problematic, too
13:50 mbalmer          stephan goes mad, I think ;)
13:50 mbalmer          perlcritic is a bastard……
13:49 slef             wizzyrea: yeah probably.
13:44 * oleonard       thought he remembered something like that
13:44 wizzyrea         submit a patch that only changed the permissions on a file
13:44 wizzyrea         didn't slef do that?
13:43 cait             mveron++
13:42 sekjal           libsysguy:  you were right: it looks like it's line 95 (the direct call to inverse)
13:39 * mveron         proud to have signd off 7749 as my first sign off...
13:39 gmcharlt         somebody needs to submit a patch that just changes the permissions on a file ... only way to beat oleonard's record
13:38 cait             it's not my fault it was an easy fix!
13:38 * oleonard       defends his title, claiming a patch which removed only 1
13:38 cait             heh :)
13:38 cait                2
13:38 paul_p           => removes one space !
13:38 paul_p           s/tiny/tiniest/
13:37 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7749 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Not all OKs on the start page are translatable
13:37 * paul_p         just pushed the tiny patch ever = (bug 7749)
13:36 wizzyrea         yw :)
13:36 mbalmer          wizzyrea, many thanks, putting that in .perlcriticrc helped.
13:35 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6027 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion
13:35 oleonard         The second sounds awkward, at least to my American ears
13:35 paul_p           oleonard if kyle wrote it that way and it's OK, I won't change anything then. now pushing bug 6027
13:35 wizzyrea         Remove bibliographic record when no items remain?
13:34 oleonard         But I think the first is better
13:34 wizzyrea         whodathunk
13:34 oleonard         Delete records if no item remains
13:34 wahanui          i think tmtowtdi is there's more than one way to do it
13:34 wizzyrea         tmtowtdi?
13:34 oleonard         or
13:34 oleonard         Delete records if no items remain
13:34 oleonard         paul_p, Actually I think you could do it two ways :)
13:34 * mveron         Swiss people are used to deal wit dialects...
13:33 paul_p           oleonard = is it correct : Delete records if no items remain ? the same in french would have been spelled "Delete records if no item remain" (no s to item as there's none)
13:33 * mbalmer        rather hates it...
13:33 wizzyrea         http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-patches-PATCH-1-2-SIGNED-OFF-Updating-perlcriticrc-to-allow-Modern-Perl-to-suffice-instead-of-u-td5157092.html
13:33 wizzyrea         mbalmer: does this help any
13:32 * mveron         Likes Perl :-)
13:32 mbalmer          no perlcritic users around?
13:31 sekjal           okay, fail
13:29 libsysguy        oh i understand now
13:29 sekjal           just commented out the call to subtract, which would be what causes the call to inverse
13:29 sekjal           libsysguy: no
13:28 libsysguy        did you add a check for ref in days_between sekjal?
13:26 sekjal           moving to the other call thereof
13:26 sekjal           libsysguy: I think you're right... I commented out the call to subtract in days_between, and still get the error
13:25 wizzyrea         and wonder if I'm quite sane.
13:25 wizzyrea         ...and now you are all going to look at my silly little shell scripts.
13:23 oleonard         Thanks wahanui
13:23 wahanui          schema is probably tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
13:23 oleonard         schema?
13:23 wizzyrea         :)
13:23 jcamins_away     wizzyrea: Committing all the things!
13:23 wizzyrea         I think we've all been there.
13:22 * libsysguy      iwll be in and out, had a server fall out last night so im running in a degraded state :-\
13:22 libsysguy        maybe its not failing at the point we think it is
13:21 libsysguy        hmm
13:20 Oak              thank you very very much all :) thank you wizzyrea.
13:19 mbalmer          how do I tell perlcritic to treat 'use Modern::Perl' to be equal to 'use warrnings, use strict' ?  i.e what need to be put in ~/.perlcriticrc ?
13:19 sekjal           I've tried a couple different ways now, to no avail
13:19 sekjal           libsysguy:  having a hard time fixing this issue
13:16 wizzyrea         oh happy birthday oak
13:16 kmkale           namaste #koha
13:14 tcohen           morning #koha
13:13 * mbalmer        waves at the kohaistas!
13:10 Oak              :)
13:10 Oak              God bless you all.
13:10 Oak              thank you so much guys, you are too kind!
13:09 sekjal           happy birthday, Oak!
13:09 cait             so what about me?
13:06 cait             yes?
13:04 Oak              thank you guys.
13:04 libsysguy        oh! HAPPY BIRTHDAY OAK!!
13:04 jcamins_away     No, Oak's.
13:03 libsysguy        its cait's birthday?
13:03 jcamins_away     Happy birthday!
13:03 Oak              cait!
13:03 sekjal           I want this enhancement in place almost as much as you do
13:03 libsysguy        oak but its not default so if you didn't turn it on its not on
13:02 sekjal           libsysguy: no need.  you have already done so much
13:02 sekjal           Oak:  set up during the make process
13:02 Oak              where is that setting?
13:02 sekjal           Oak: was just guessing at one easy solution
13:02 sekjal           Oak: if you had memcached turned on, you'd need to reload it for the frameworks to take affect
13:01 * libsysguy      feels guilty for having sekjal do all the work
13:01 Oak              i'll google
13:01 Oak              wait
13:01 Oak              where do i turn it on? just give a clue...
13:01 sekjal           libsysguy:  yes
13:01 libsysguy        or you can send me what you did to make it fail and I can
13:01 libsysguy        ok, well since you have a test case already in place could you patch and test?
13:01 sekjal           Oak:  caching software for better concurrency.  if you're not familiar, you probably haven't turned it on
13:00 sekjal           if so, you or I can write up a patch and send to rangi
13:00 Oak              what's memcached? I just installed Koha on Debian for the first time.
13:00 libsysguy        ok
13:00 sekjal           libsysguy: I'm going to test locally and see if it helps
13:00 libsysguy        I have a patch I need to send to rangi for an error that I found in dropbox returns this morning
13:00 sekjal           Oak:  are you running memcached?
12:59 libsysguy        ok, how do you want to handle that?
12:59 sekjal           yes, we'll need to use the datetime subtraction method
12:59 Oak              sekjal, i have done this but still that field is locked: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-May/028962.html
12:59 libsysguy        so maybe it would be safer to use the subtract_datetime
12:59 sekjal           on from dt_from_string, the other from DateTime->now()
12:58 libsysguy        ok
12:58 sekjal           going into days_between we have two DateTime objects
12:58 sekjal           his hair seems shorter....
12:57 sekjal           s/say/saw/
12:57 sekjal           aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I just say Patrick Jones
12:57 sekjal           not sure yet
12:57 libsysguy        are we passing it Duration objects or DateTime objects?
12:56 slef             (afk for a while)
12:56 sekjal           ah, but those are datetimes, not durations
12:56 slef             skk: did you run the script to change the items format?
12:56 sekjal           hmm... that would indicate otherwise
12:55 libsysguy        http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.73/lib/DateTime.pm#Datetime_Subtraction
12:55 libsysguy        oh...
12:55 sekjal           okay, according to stack overflow, you can
12:54 sekjal           yes
12:53 libsysguy        you mean line 175
12:52 sekjal           yeah, I was just thinking... can you subtract two DateTime::Duration objects like that
12:52 libsysguy        sekjal if they aren't, convert them with dt_from_string
12:52 skk              can someone help. we upgraded our koha from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4. We are unable to see boundvolumes data in kohaadmin as well as in opac. These records are there in koha database when we saw database from phpMyAdmin. My query is how to get these records visible in koha.
12:51 libsysguy        you know what might nip it in the butt for now is to check to see if start_dt and end_dt are both references
12:51 sekjal           libsysguy:  I've been poking for the last half hour or so
12:50 sekjal           so that's my first suspect
12:50 libsysguy        you're obviously ahead of me :p
12:50 sekjal           where we just did some work
12:50 Oak              FAQ: Why can’t I edit 1xx, 6xx, or 7xx fields in my catalog record? Answer: These fields are authority controlled and you probably have the BiblioAddsAuthorities set to 'allow'. When it is set to 'don't allow' these fields will be locked and require you to search for an existing authority record.
12:50 sekjal           1 of which is days_between
12:50 libsysguy        ok...goes to look further
12:50 libsysguy        interesting
12:50 sekjal           s/to/2/
12:50 sekjal           which is called to places in Koha/Calendar.pm
12:50 Oak              but it does not make sense: "These fields are authority controlled and you probably have the BiblioAddsAuthorities set to 'allow'. When it is set to 'don't allow' these fields will be locked and require you to search for an existing authority record. "
12:50 sekjal           which is called by 'subtract'
12:49 Oak              it is there
12:49 sekjal           in the 'subtract_duration' subroutine
12:49 sekjal           right, but the error is coming from DateTime::Duration.pm directly
12:49 libsysguy        so i started there and tried working backwards
12:49 libsysguy        thats the only place it occurs
12:49 libsysguy        i just did a grep for inverse
12:49 wahanui          BiblioAddsAuthorities is probably a syspref that lets authorities be created automagically when you add a record.
12:49 slef             wahanui: BiblioAddsAuthorities?
12:49 slef             Oak: if this isn't in there it should be
12:49 libsysguy        line 96
12:48 wahanui          i think FAQ is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
12:48 slef             FAQ?
12:48 slef             alternatively wait for someone who isn't eyesdeep in admin and code to help :(
12:48 Oak              FAQ...
12:48 sekjal           libsysguy:  what line?
12:48 slef             Oak: this sounds wrong to me. Have you checked the FAQ?
12:48 Oak              edit 'a', i.e. "Personal Name"?
12:48 libsysguy        if you look in Koha::Calendar the variable is initialized to a DateTime::Duration object one line above the error
12:47 Oak              click subfields?
12:47 Oak              search for 100
12:47 magnus_afk       have fun #koha!
12:47 Oak              and there edit "Books, Booklets, Workbooks" by clicking on "MARC structure"?
12:46 Oak              the "MARC Bibliographic framework" link?
12:46 sekjal           something to do with fines in days, I think
12:46 sekjal           working on tracing it out now
12:46 libsysguy        weird
12:46 Oak              slef, what do i change in the framework?
12:46 sekjal           but I do get the 'inverse' error
12:46 slef             wahanui++
12:46 sekjal           I can't reproduce their renewal problem
12:45 libsysguy        I don't see how that could possibly happen
12:45 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans
12:45 wahanui          rumour has it bug 5549 is libsysguy's white whale
12:45 slef             bug 5549?
12:45 slef             Oak: I'd expect it to unlock it but maybe you need to change the framework too. It's been a while since I did a naked setup.
12:45 libsysguy        dude I was looking at that this morning too
12:45 sekjal           working on 5549
12:45 sekjal           libsysguy:  yup
12:44 libsysguy        sekjal you around
12:36 Oak              it's still locked.
12:36 Oak              when adding a new record in Koha, the 100 a (Personal Name) field is locked. I went to Administration > System Preferences > Authorities and set BiblioAddsAuthorities to "Allow" and saved, was that supposed to unlock the 100 a field?
12:36 Oak              kia ora #koha
12:28 skk              my query is how to get all these bound volumes in opac and main koha are we missing anything
12:28 skk              we upgraded our koha from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 while running upgrade we had also ran remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl command after running rebuild_Zebra command we are unable to see all bound volumes data  when koha database is checked in phpMyAdmin in items table we are able to see all these items
12:28 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records
12:28 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5657 normal, P3, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , biblio records update fails when updating multiple authorities linked with the same biblio
12:28 jenkins_koha     * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6831 follow-up: add support for UNIMARC and NORMARC
12:28 jenkins_koha     * colin.campbell: Bug 6831: Add ability to enter adding child record from parent
12:28 jenkins_koha     * januszop: Bug 5657: Changes made to sub merge to eliminate errors occuring when updating bibio records in batch (after updating multiple authority records)
12:28 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Floating collection
12:28 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 string follow-up: reordering text
12:28 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 followup DBrev number
12:28 jenkins_koha     * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 follow-up cleaning for HTML4 coding guideline
12:28 jenkins_koha     * ian.walls: Enhancement 7144: Floating Collections (per branch/itemtype)
12:28 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_master build #667: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/667/
12:24 slef             :)
12:23 magnus_afk       so i gather...
12:23 slef             magnus_afk: here, I want a word with you!
12:23 magnus_afk       slef!
12:22 slef             Anyone know if it's possible to lengthen my wiki login expiry?  Do I need to ask an admin?
12:21 * slef           edits http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Announcements#Add-on_A2:_Call_For_Papers to try to do Brooke's suggestions.
11:46 jenkins_koha     Starting build #667 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
11:35 huginn           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6831 follow-up: add support for UNIMARC and NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a9ba9d9dffb7291eb9a8d7cfa24523a8b1bdd1c> / Bug 6831: Add ability to enter adding child record from parent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=adb3777e2e4940a842e0d33a22121b1db762aeba> / Bug 5657: Changes made to sub merge to eliminate errors occuring when updating bibio... <h
11:33 oleonard         Lunch time!
11:32 oleonard         Am I allowed to sign off on cait's patches today? We're working in the same office! :)
11:29 jcamins          Okay, everyone cross your fingers that the contractors really do finishtoday.
11:24 paul_p           work like a charm in UNIMARC ;-)
11:24 paul_p           cait++ (for analytical record)
11:21 jcamins          magnus_afk: hehe.
11:21 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Passed QA , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly
11:21 magnus_afk       jcamins++ for channeling me on bug 7092 :-)
10:37 * libsysguy      is trying to reproduce
10:37 libsysguy        im looking into them now
10:36 libsysguy        yeah I was noticing that
10:36 oleonard         libsysguy, sekjal passed it, but it seems new issues were discovered here at Hackfest
10:21 libsysguy        rangi was what you heard that hourly failed...
10:21 wahanui          rangi was last seen on #koha 39 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: yeah, that's what id heard ;( [Wed Mar 21 09:41:36 2012]
10:21 libsysguy        seen rangi
09:51 francharb        0/ #koha
09:50 slef             oleonard: yeah, it's called moving to Europe, isn't it? ;)
09:49 * oleonard       must have awoken from a bad dream
09:49 slef             eythian_bucklame: night
09:48 slef             oleonard: software patents are prohibited by law here, so that's simple ;-)
09:48 eythian_bucklame byebye
09:48 eythian_bucklame oleonard: you choose open video codecs :)
09:48 eythian_bucklame really time for bed.
09:48 oleonard         slef: Flash or patented video codecs, how do we choose? :)
09:48 wahanui          the first one is, like, the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it
09:48 eythian_bucklame the first one
09:48 eythian_bucklame no wait
09:48 eythian_bucklame *company's
09:47 eythian_bucklame yep. If only companies wouldn't damage the standards process.
09:47 slef             eythian_bucklame: yeah, flash, so 1990s. html5++
09:47 eythian_bucklame alright, time for bed for me I think. Later all.
09:46 slef             asaurat: it's in the hills
09:46 eythian_bucklame true :)
09:46 eythian_bucklame I linked to the video (which seems to have terrible sound, and/or flash just sucks) above which'll give you an idea.
09:46 asaurat          it still can be flooded ;)
09:45 eythian_bucklame I guess a nuclear bunker isn't going to burn down :)
09:45 slef             eythian_bucklame: one of the larger branch libraries was used as a temporary main library with the most popular books in it, the rest in IIRC an ex-nuclear-bunker.
09:45 eythian_bucklame slef: yeah, they're not sure if they can fix the building or if it'll have to be rebuilt.
09:44 slef             eythian_bucklame: yeah, Norwich warehoused books after its library burnt down in 1994, until the new one opened in 2000ish
09:44 eythian_bucklame yeah, it's one of the few buildings still standing in it's area, mostly because it was built to hold a lot of weight I guess.
09:44 slef             ouch
09:44 oleonard         Wow
09:43 eythian_bucklame slef: they finally got access to Chch library after the quake over a year ago.
09:43 eythian_bucklame I think they said they're going to warehouse books and you can request them. Probably a good temporary scheme.
09:43 slef             wow whassat?
09:42 eythian_bucklame given the rain and snowstorms they had
09:42 eythian_bucklame they said that at least the building remained waterproof.
09:41 rangi            yeah, that's what id heard ;(
09:41 eythian_bucklame 300,000 books on the floor
09:41 eythian_bucklame it's a real mess
09:41 rangi            ahh id just turned it all off
09:41 eythian_bucklame rangi: oh, it's on tv now
09:38 rangi            eythian_bucklame: heh
09:38 cait             so it should be better in that aspect
09:38 eythian_bucklame *I * it's *. ... I can barely read your typing ;)
09:37 cait             I typed them
09:36 rangi            well i can never read my own notes, so its bound to be better than that
09:35 rangi            heh
09:35 cait             she tried to... not sure it makes sense
09:35 oleonard         Documentation to follow, slowly. cait was kind enough to take notes
09:35 oleonard         I just finished giving our "ergonomy" group a tour of Koha interaction patterns as I understand them in the staff client
09:35 wahanui          slef: sorry...
09:35 slef             wahanui: correct!
09:34 slef             hi all
09:34 eythian_bucklame oleonard: hiya
09:34 wahanui          oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
09:34 rangi            heya oleonard
09:34 oleonard         Hi rangi and eythian_bucklame, so nice to see you in my morning for a change
09:32 rangi            yeah thats plausible
09:32 rangi            ahh
09:31 eythian_bucklame rangi: maybe it was tv3 news, as the video is online here: http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-First-peek-inside-the-Christchurch-library/tabid/423/articleID/247536/Default.aspx ... perhaps nightline is just doing a recap
09:28 juan_laptop      hi cait
09:27 map              and get back to u
09:27 map              okay let me check dear
09:27 wahanui          video tutorials are http://bywatersolutions.com/section/tutorial-videos/
09:27 cait             http://bywatersolutions.com/section/tutorial-videos/
09:27 cait             video tutorial?
09:27 cait             video tutorials?
09:26 oleonard         Hi #koha
09:26 map              where it is actually
09:26 cait             and you can follow the video tutorial
09:26 cait             but you have to save it to the barcode field
09:26 cait             yes
09:26 map              can u explane it for me
09:26 map              how can i make its barcode for koha
09:26 map              example am having an accession number test01
09:25 map              okay
09:25 cait             sorry, I don't understand oyur question
09:25 map              actually its a number only if i entered the number there is it ll generate barcode?
09:23 cait             on the barode labels
09:23 cait             can be printed out
09:23 cait             whatever you save in the barcode field
09:22 map              now can i do that
09:22 map              actually i just need to generate bar code from my accession number
09:21 map              i am talking abut bar code
09:21 cait             try to circulate
09:21 cait             and then try to add a few records, patrons
09:21 map              okay
09:21 cait             setting the basic parameters
09:21 cait             and work your way down there
09:21 cait             I suggest you go to administration
09:21 cait             there are lots of options, but going with the defualt frameworks at the beginning is a bit easier
09:21 cait             I think I would try to figure out the other parts of koha first
09:21 map              k
09:20 cait             the frameworks are a big topic
09:20 map              cal u explaing me how can i modified ?
09:20 map              now am in the field of record structure field in koha
09:20 cait             hey juan_laptop
09:19 map              okay
09:19 cait             mostly a librarian
09:19 map              ?
09:19 map              and you are an IT professional
09:18 huginn           rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
09:18 rangi            @wunder nzwn
09:18 huginn           rangi: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (10:00 AM CET on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
09:18 rangi            @wunder marseille
09:18 map              okay
09:18 cait             germany, but currently at the koha hackfest in marseille, france
09:17 map              ?
09:17 map              where u from
09:17 map              INDIA
09:17 cait             where are you from map?
09:17 cait             you are welcome
09:17 map              dear
09:17 map              thank you so much
09:16 cait             so lots of people can help you
09:16 wahanui          mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
09:16 cait             mailing lists?
09:16 cait             and we have the mailing lists
09:16 cait             there is always someone around
09:16 cait             I think #koha is the best place to ask questons
09:15 map              so that i can contact u later
09:14 map              if u dont mind can i get ur facebook id or gmail id
09:14 cait             so you get a better idea about what you can do
09:14 map              okay
09:14 cait             perhaps try and get a look at the forms and item fields and options
09:14 map              let me check
09:14 map              okay
09:14 map              okay
09:14 cait             you can also use independent numbes, there is a seaparate field for inventory numbers
09:13 cait             perhaps this will fit your needs
09:13 cait             there is a barcode scheme using the year
09:13 cait             you have to store it in the barcode field then
09:13 map              ?
09:13 map              *there
09:13 map              are u therew?
09:12 map              ?
09:12 map              is it possible we can use our accession nuber as barcodes
09:12 wahanui          video tutorials are http://bywatersolutions.com/section/tutorial-videos/
09:12 cait             video tutorials?
09:12 cait             and the video toturials from nicole
09:12 cait             you might want to take a look at the manual
09:12 cait             and for the barcode printing
09:11 wahanui          manual is, like, at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
09:11 cait             manual?
09:11 map              okay
09:11 cait             and search there for autobarcode
09:11 cait             administration > system preferences
09:11 cait             there is a setting in the system preferences: autobarcode
09:11 cait             is make koha assign barcodes numbers automatically
09:11 map              so it is easy for us to detect
09:11 cait             I think first ting you want to do
09:11 map              i like to get accession number as my barcode
09:10 map              i want to print barcode with koha
09:10 cait             so do you want to use preprinted barcodes? or print barcodes with koha?
09:10 cait             ok
09:10 map              only bar coding is the problem for me now
09:09 map              i think not sure
09:09 map                 3.6
09:09 map              and now we are doing data entry for adding books
09:08 map              koha is working
09:08 cait             which version of koha did you install?
09:08 map              yah
09:08 cait             you have a working koha installation?
09:08 cait             what are you trying to do? exactly?
09:08 cait             I am sorry, not sure i understand your questions
09:08 map              can u help me for that
09:08 map              but am not able to do it properly
09:07 map              actually i am trying to do the barcode field for my koha
09:07 map              ?
09:07 map              how r u
09:07 map              cait
09:07 map              sorry
09:07 map              i hai cati
09:07 cait             welcome to #koha
09:07 cait             hi map
09:07 wahanui          i already had it that way, map.
09:07 map              i am new in koha
09:06 map              hai
09:06 cait             hello paul_p :)
09:04 paul_p           hello #koha
08:53 map              i was not here
08:53 map              sorry
08:53 map              hai any one there
08:52 cait             hi Joubu
08:50 Joubu            hi all
08:35 sophie_m         :-)
08:34 cait             hi sophie_m :)
08:34 sophie_m         hi #koha
08:23 rangi            oh, ill keep an eye out
08:22 eythian_bucklame rangi: nightline at 10.30 is apparently having a look inside the Chch library.
08:21 rangi            http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2012/03/21/squashing-bugs/
08:12 mveron           and: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/administration.html#catprefs  1.4.3.2 autoBarcode
08:12 mveron           map: I'm quite new as well. Maybe: Administration->System Preferences->Cataloging preferences->Record Structure->autoBarcode
08:00 map              i am new in koha
07:58 map              can anyone help me ?
07:58 map              while am trying to create am not getting proper bar codes for my books
07:58 map              ?
07:58 map              how can i create bard code for koha
07:57 rangi            hmm cait kicked out the plug at biblibre
07:57 wahanui          bonjour, map
07:57 map              hi
07:43 mveron           magnuse: OK, thanks. Will take the info as is.
07:40 magnuse          yay for 5549 passing qa!
07:38 magnuse          well, i don't really have that much more detail than what was in the newsletter
07:37 mveron           Just "soft news", something I could use in a blog or in an article
07:37 magnuse          depends on what you want to know
07:35 mveron           Do yo have more information about? - Would like to write something on our (future) Website
07:35 magnuse          yeah, they rock! :-)
07:35 mveron           It is a good story to tell
07:35 mveron           magnuse: I saw in the newsletter the note about Kohaat the Oslo and Akershus University College of Applied Sciences
07:31 magnuse          hiya mveron
07:30 mveron           Bonjour, #koha @ Marseille and worldwide
07:28 magnuse          bonjour l'hackfest!
07:28 alex_a           bonjour
07:21 magnuse          kia ora eythian_bucklame, rangi and #koha!
07:14 rangi            dorkland in the house
07:04 skk              we were getting error while running reports in 3.4.7 undefined subroutine &C4::Reports::Guided::themelanguage called at /usr/share/ko ha/lib/C4/Reports/Guided.pm line 714 . hence we wanted to check if this error can be rectified in new version
07:00 cait             have fun :)
06:59 skk              will try straight upgrade from 3.04.07 to 3.06.04
06:59 skk              thanks a lot!
06:58 rangi            well 3.6.2 was the 3rd 3.6.x release, theres nothing special about it .. no reason to go to it first
06:57 skk              i was thinking i should go from 3.6.2 then to 3.6.4 but if i can go straight and if it wont create any problems then will use 3.6.4
06:56 cait             and ideally run through the process on a test server first
06:56 rangi            why 3.6.2 not 3.6.4 ?
06:56 cait             it's recommended to dump your database and keep it safe somewhere before doing an update
06:53 skk              those if it ask i will download but my worry was with regular upgrade commands anything else as well need to be done hence before doing this i wanted to verify
06:52 cait             there might be some new dependencies noted in the release notes
06:52 cait             3.4 to 3.6 should not reqiure running any additional scripts or something, if you meant that
06:49 skk              i have a quick question we have koha 3.04.07 can we straight upgrade to 3.06.02 with cofigure make and make upgrade commands or we need to do anything else
06:18 Oak              now me go.
06:15 Oak              thank you cait! :)
06:15 Oak              d
06:15 Oak              worke
06:15 Oak              \o/
06:14 Oak              cool, let me try
06:14 cait             I think what liz wrote ther
06:14 cait             you found the same :)
06:14 cait             ah
06:14 cait             http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/FIXED-I-can-access-de-staff-client-but-not-the-OPAC-td4513503.html
06:14 Oak              should I run that command and see what happens?
06:12 Oak              sudo a2dissite default  ? http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/FIXED-I-can-access-de-staff-client-but-not-the-OPAC-td4513503.html
06:12 cait             but I don't see in the manuals how to do that
06:12 cait             I think you have to deactivate the standard page from apache perhaps
06:12 cait             I am perhaps the wrong person to ask
06:12 cait             hm
06:11 Oak              all i did is this: http://pastebin.com/KSSGy9Yd
06:10 Oak              yes
06:10 cait             ah you used the packages
06:09 cait             let me check
06:09 cait             oh
06:09 cait             :)
06:09 cait             something
06:00 Oak_             what's "sth"?
06:00 Oak_             this one: wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze
06:00 Oak_             crap
05:59 Oak_             http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.koha-community.org%2Fwiki%2FKoha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze&ei=Sm5pT5v6FIOnrAf_zaT_Bw&usg=AFQjCNFTcwJkOEz592oW0zjh190VuH5OkQ&sig2=DD4nvjeJCai01Ulq_XZWNg
05:59 Oak_             here is my /etc/apache2/sites-available/... file: http://pastebin.com/TsMtSkmP
05:59 cait             which manual did you use for installation?
05:59 cait             I am trying to remember
05:58 cait             I thin kyou have to deactivate sth
05:58 cait             hm
05:58 Oak_             Koha on Debian is installed and http://10.16.18.71:8080/ works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in my local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server."
05:58 Oak_             did you get the help question? or was I disconnected?
05:57 Oak              Koha on Debian is installed and http://10.16.18.71:8080/ works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in my local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server."
05:56 Oak              anyway, the help part.
05:55 Oak              well, not mine.
05:55 Oak              nope
05:55 cait             you don't like birthdays?
05:55 Oak              nope
05:55 cait             wrong day again?
05:54 Oak              oh well. thanks.
05:54 cait             Happy birthday!
05:54 Oak              i need bit of help
05:54 Oak              cait!
05:36 Oak              anyone around?
05:28 Oak              found it
05:08 wahanui          i heard username and password was correct
05:08 Oak              what username and password?
05:07 Oak              on Debian, I have followed this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze and now I am at the login prompt of the web installer, and it is asking for username password
05:07 Oak              i need help setting up Koha
05:07 Oak              kia ora #koha
03:09 rangi            https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/529734_325297727532001_106589126069530_934380_1980896496_n.jpg
02:22 ibeardslee       sounds like we have something happening .. now to get people interested
02:21 rangi            sweet
02:21 eythian_bucklame makes sense. I'm also able to be free on Tuesdays if need be (unlike last year when training was that night so I took off a bit earlier)
02:21 rangi            so if they want on those nights they can stay on for that too
02:21 rangi            we picked tuesday, cos thast when perlmongers is
02:20 eythian_         ah right
02:20 rangi            some of the academy kids expressed an interest in doing some ongoing work .. so a couple of hours every tuesday
02:20 eythian_         eh?
02:20 ibeardslee       Nick Smith's portfolios
02:20 rangi            heh
02:20 eythian_         what am I volunteering for?
02:19 rangi            sweet
02:19 rangi            cool yep
02:19 cjh_             although eythian would be in office anyway.
02:19 cjh_             im also available tues evening after 4:30, but whatever works :)
02:18 rangi            then that would work
02:18 rangi            if you could cover saturdays if i was sick etc .. and eythian_ cover tuesday evening ..
02:18 rangi            its more for backup
02:18 cjh_             rangi: I was going to volunteer but assumed you wouldnt need help, id be more than happy to come in on a saturday.
02:17 cjh_             rangi: is this regarding the minion training?
02:11 jenkins_koha     rangi: job Master_Packages build scheduled now
02:11 rangi            !jenkins build Master_Packages now
02:10 rangi            ta
02:10 ibeardslee       anyway email inbound
02:09 rangi            yup
02:09 ibeardslee       I think eythian would probably usually be out on the Saturday.
02:06 rangi            heh, i think chrish or robin
02:05 ibeardslee       eg in the event asking for hot chips on the Friday night goes wrong ;)
02:05 rangi            maybe chrish .. maybe kristina .. dont want to volunteer ppl without checking tho
02:04 ibeardslee       rangi: would you have anyone in mind to back you up for those sessions?
01:10 rangi            http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/gbsd/gbsd10/hourlystatus-gbsd10.txt
01:09 druthb           :P
01:08 ibeardslee       harder
01:08 rangi            heh
01:06 * druthb         chants "pie jesu domine", and whacks herself on the forehead with a flat board.
01:03 * druthb         would be a Koha nun.  ;-)
01:03 druthb           The only thing is, there, they've decided against having gender-centric terms for us fems.  All the titles are masculine forms.
01:02 * druthb         puts on her robes.
01:02 rangi            we already have actual monks :)
01:02 rangi            we should start kohamonks.org
01:02 rangi            sweet
01:01 druthb           answered a couple of questions, helped on one...and racked up 19 XP.
01:01 rangi            oohh well done
01:01 druthb           Kind of emboldend me a lil, I guess...today, I joined PerlMonks, and am one point away from no longer being an Initiate.
01:00 rangi            heh :)
01:00 druthb           To the kid who always got picked last, and who has *never* been the go-to, this was just huge.  Took all I had not to cry like a lil girl.
01:00 rangi            excellent :)
00:59 druthb           They announced that board elections are coming up, and they need at least five, and up to eleven, to join the board.  So I was thinking over throwing my hat in the ring, and two current board members came up and asked me if I'd accept a nomination from them.
00:59 rangi            oh?
00:58 druthb           wonderfully!  I had something really amazing happen monday before last during our tea break.
00:58 rangi            hows the choir going?
00:56 druthb           hi, rangi!  *hug*
00:56 rangi            hey druthb
00:55 druthb           o/
00:52 rangi            http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/lastBuild/console
00:52 rangi            w00t
00:10 * slef           falls asleep, but thanks rangi