Time Nick Message 00:10 * slef falls asleep, but thanks rangi 00:52 rangi w00t 00:52 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/lastBuild/console 00:55 druthb o/ 00:56 rangi hey druthb 00:56 druthb hi, rangi! *hug* 00:58 rangi hows the choir going? 00:58 druthb wonderfully! I had something really amazing happen monday before last during our tea break. 00:59 rangi oh? 00:59 druthb They announced that board elections are coming up, and they need at least five, and up to eleven, to join the board. So I was thinking over throwing my hat in the ring, and two current board members came up and asked me if I'd accept a nomination from them. 01:00 rangi excellent :) 01:00 druthb To the kid who always got picked last, and who has *never* been the go-to, this was just huge. Took all I had not to cry like a lil girl. 01:00 rangi heh :) 01:01 druthb Kind of emboldend me a lil, I guess...today, I joined PerlMonks, and am one point away from no longer being an Initiate. 01:01 rangi oohh well done 01:01 druthb answered a couple of questions, helped on one...and racked up 19 XP. 01:02 rangi sweet 01:02 rangi we should start kohamonks.org 01:02 rangi we already have actual monks :) 01:02 * druthb puts on her robes. 01:03 druthb The only thing is, there, they've decided against having gender-centric terms for us fems. All the titles are masculine forms. 01:03 * druthb would be a Koha nun. ;-) 01:06 * druthb chants "pie jesu domine", and whacks herself on the forehead with a flat board. 01:08 rangi heh 01:08 ibeardslee harder 01:09 druthb :P 01:10 rangi http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/gbsd/gbsd10/hourlystatus-gbsd10.txt 02:04 ibeardslee rangi: would you have anyone in mind to back you up for those sessions? 02:05 rangi maybe chrish .. maybe kristina .. dont want to volunteer ppl without checking tho 02:05 ibeardslee eg in the event asking for hot chips on the Friday night goes wrong ;) 02:06 rangi heh, i think chrish or robin 02:09 ibeardslee I think eythian would probably usually be out on the Saturday. 02:09 rangi yup 02:10 ibeardslee anyway email inbound 02:10 rangi ta 02:11 rangi !jenkins build Master_Packages now 02:11 jenkins_koha rangi: job Master_Packages build scheduled now 02:17 cjh_ rangi: is this regarding the minion training? 02:18 cjh_ rangi: I was going to volunteer but assumed you wouldnt need help, id be more than happy to come in on a saturday. 02:18 rangi its more for backup 02:18 rangi if you could cover saturdays if i was sick etc .. and eythian_ cover tuesday evening .. 02:18 rangi then that would work 02:19 cjh_ im also available tues evening after 4:30, but whatever works :) 02:19 cjh_ although eythian would be in office anyway. 02:19 rangi cool yep 02:19 rangi sweet 02:20 eythian_ what am I volunteering for? 02:20 rangi heh 02:20 ibeardslee Nick Smith's portfolios 02:20 eythian_ eh? 02:20 rangi some of the academy kids expressed an interest in doing some ongoing work .. so a couple of hours every tuesday 02:20 eythian_ ah right 02:21 rangi we picked tuesday, cos thast when perlmongers is 02:21 rangi so if they want on those nights they can stay on for that too 02:21 eythian_bucklame makes sense. I'm also able to be free on Tuesdays if need be (unlike last year when training was that night so I took off a bit earlier) 02:21 rangi sweet 02:22 ibeardslee sounds like we have something happening .. now to get people interested 03:09 rangi https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/529734_325297727532001_106589126069530_934380_1980896496_n.jpg 05:07 Oak kia ora #koha 05:07 Oak i need help setting up Koha 05:07 Oak on Debian, I have followed this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze and now I am at the login prompt of the web installer, and it is asking for username password 05:08 Oak what username and password? 05:08 wahanui i heard username and password was correct 05:28 Oak found it 05:36 Oak anyone around? 05:54 Oak cait! 05:54 Oak i need bit of help 05:54 cait Happy birthday! 05:54 Oak oh well. thanks. 05:55 cait wrong day again? 05:55 Oak nope 05:55 cait you don't like birthdays? 05:55 Oak nope 05:55 Oak well, not mine. 05:56 Oak anyway, the help part. 05:57 Oak Koha on Debian is installed and http://10.16.18.71:8080/ works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in my local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server." 05:58 Oak_ did you get the help question? or was I disconnected? 05:58 Oak_ Koha on Debian is installed and http://10.16.18.71:8080/ works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in my local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server." 05:58 cait hm 05:58 cait I thin kyou have to deactivate sth 05:59 cait I am trying to remember 05:59 cait which manual did you use for installation? 05:59 Oak_ here is my /etc/apache2/sites-available/... file: http://pastebin.com/TsMtSkmP 05:59 Oak_ http://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.koha-community.org%2Fwiki%2FKoha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze&ei=Sm5pT5v6FIOnrAf_zaT_Bw&usg=AFQjCNFTcwJkOEz592oW0zjh190VuH5OkQ&sig2=DD4nvjeJCai01Ulq_XZWNg 06:00 Oak_ crap 06:00 Oak_ this one: wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze 06:00 Oak_ what's "sth"? 06:09 cait something 06:09 cait :) 06:09 cait oh 06:09 cait let me check 06:10 cait ah you used the packages 06:10 Oak yes 06:11 Oak all i did is this: http://pastebin.com/KSSGy9Yd 06:12 cait hm 06:12 cait I am perhaps the wrong person to ask 06:12 cait I think you have to deactivate the standard page from apache perhaps 06:12 cait but I don't see in the manuals how to do that 06:12 Oak sudo a2dissite default ? http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/FIXED-I-can-access-de-staff-client-but-not-the-OPAC-td4513503.html 06:14 Oak should I run that command and see what happens? 06:14 cait http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/FIXED-I-can-access-de-staff-client-but-not-the-OPAC-td4513503.html 06:14 cait ah 06:14 cait you found the same :) 06:14 cait I think what liz wrote ther 06:14 Oak cool, let me try 06:15 Oak \o/ 06:15 Oak worke 06:15 Oak d 06:15 Oak thank you cait! :) 06:18 Oak now me go. 06:49 skk i have a quick question we have koha 3.04.07 can we straight upgrade to 3.06.02 with cofigure make and make upgrade commands or we need to do anything else 06:52 cait 3.4 to 3.6 should not reqiure running any additional scripts or something, if you meant that 06:52 cait there might be some new dependencies noted in the release notes 06:53 skk those if it ask i will download but my worry was with regular upgrade commands anything else as well need to be done hence before doing this i wanted to verify 06:56 cait it's recommended to dump your database and keep it safe somewhere before doing an update 06:56 rangi why 3.6.2 not 3.6.4 ? 06:56 cait and ideally run through the process on a test server first 06:57 skk i was thinking i should go from 3.6.2 then to 3.6.4 but if i can go straight and if it wont create any problems then will use 3.6.4 06:58 rangi well 3.6.2 was the 3rd 3.6.x release, theres nothing special about it .. no reason to go to it first 06:59 skk thanks a lot! 06:59 skk will try straight upgrade from 3.04.07 to 3.06.04 07:00 cait have fun :) 07:04 skk we were getting error while running reports in 3.4.7 undefined subroutine &C4::Reports::Guided::themelanguage called at /usr/share/ko ha/lib/C4/Reports/Guided.pm line 714 . hence we wanted to check if this error can be rectified in new version 07:14 rangi dorkland in the house 07:21 magnuse kia ora eythian_bucklame, rangi and #koha! 07:28 alex_a bonjour 07:28 magnuse bonjour l'hackfest! 07:30 mveron Bonjour, #koha @ Marseille and worldwide 07:31 magnuse hiya mveron 07:35 mveron magnuse: I saw in the newsletter the note about Kohaat the Oslo and Akershus University College of Applied Sciences 07:35 mveron It is a good story to tell 07:35 magnuse yeah, they rock! :-) 07:35 mveron Do yo have more information about? - Would like to write something on our (future) Website 07:37 magnuse depends on what you want to know 07:37 mveron Just "soft news", something I could use in a blog or in an article 07:38 magnuse well, i don't really have that much more detail than what was in the newsletter 07:40 magnuse yay for 5549 passing qa! 07:43 mveron magnuse: OK, thanks. Will take the info as is. 07:57 map hi 07:57 wahanui bonjour, map 07:57 rangi hmm cait kicked out the plug at biblibre 07:58 map how can i create bard code for koha 07:58 map ? 07:58 map while am trying to create am not getting proper bar codes for my books 07:58 map can anyone help me ? 08:00 map i am new in koha 08:12 mveron map: I'm quite new as well. Maybe: Administration->System Preferences->Cataloging preferences->Record Structure->autoBarcode 08:12 mveron and: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/administration.html#catprefs 1.4.3.2 autoBarcode 08:21 rangi http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2012/03/21/squashing-bugs/ 08:22 eythian_bucklame rangi: nightline at 10.30 is apparently having a look inside the Chch library. 08:23 rangi oh, ill keep an eye out 08:34 sophie_m hi #koha 08:34 cait hi sophie_m :) 08:35 sophie_m :-) 08:50 Joubu hi all 08:52 cait hi Joubu 08:53 map hai any one there 08:53 map sorry 08:53 map i was not here 09:04 paul_p hello #koha 09:06 cait hello paul_p :) 09:06 map hai 09:07 map i am new in koha 09:07 wahanui i already had it that way, map. 09:07 cait hi map 09:07 cait welcome to #koha 09:07 map i hai cati 09:07 map sorry 09:07 map cait 09:07 map how r u 09:07 map ? 09:07 map actually i am trying to do the barcode field for my koha 09:08 map but am not able to do it properly 09:08 map can u help me for that 09:08 cait I am sorry, not sure i understand your questions 09:08 cait what are you trying to do? exactly? 09:08 cait you have a working koha installation? 09:08 map yah 09:08 cait which version of koha did you install? 09:08 map koha is working 09:09 map and now we are doing data entry for adding books 09:09 map 3.6 09:09 map i think not sure 09:10 map only bar coding is the problem for me now 09:10 cait ok 09:10 cait so do you want to use preprinted barcodes? or print barcodes with koha? 09:10 map i want to print barcode with koha 09:11 map i like to get accession number as my barcode 09:11 cait I think first ting you want to do 09:11 map so it is easy for us to detect 09:11 cait is make koha assign barcodes numbers automatically 09:11 cait there is a setting in the system preferences: autobarcode 09:11 cait administration > system preferences 09:11 cait and search there for autobarcode 09:11 map okay 09:11 cait manual? 09:11 wahanui manual is, like, at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 09:12 cait and for the barcode printing 09:12 cait you might want to take a look at the manual 09:12 cait and the video toturials from nicole 09:12 cait video tutorials? 09:12 wahanui video tutorials are http://bywatersolutions.com/section/tutorial-videos/ 09:12 map is it possible we can use our accession nuber as barcodes 09:12 map ? 09:13 map are u therew? 09:13 map *there 09:13 map ? 09:13 cait you have to store it in the barcode field then 09:13 cait there is a barcode scheme using the year 09:13 cait perhaps this will fit your needs 09:14 cait you can also use independent numbes, there is a seaparate field for inventory numbers 09:14 map okay 09:14 map okay 09:14 map let me check 09:14 cait perhaps try and get a look at the forms and item fields and options 09:14 map okay 09:14 cait so you get a better idea about what you can do 09:14 map if u dont mind can i get ur facebook id or gmail id 09:15 map so that i can contact u later 09:16 cait I think #koha is the best place to ask questons 09:16 cait there is always someone around 09:16 cait and we have the mailing lists 09:16 cait mailing lists? 09:16 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 09:16 cait so lots of people can help you 09:17 map thank you so much 09:17 map dear 09:17 cait you are welcome 09:17 cait where are you from map? 09:17 map INDIA 09:17 map where u from 09:17 map ? 09:18 cait germany, but currently at the koha hackfest in marseille, france 09:18 map okay 09:18 rangi @wunder marseille 09:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (10:00 AM CET on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 09:18 rangi @wunder nzwn 09:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling). 09:19 map and you are an IT professional 09:19 map ? 09:19 cait mostly a librarian 09:19 map okay 09:20 cait hey juan_laptop 09:20 map now am in the field of record structure field in koha 09:20 map cal u explaing me how can i modified ? 09:20 cait the frameworks are a big topic 09:21 map k 09:21 cait I think I would try to figure out the other parts of koha first 09:21 cait there are lots of options, but going with the defualt frameworks at the beginning is a bit easier 09:21 cait I suggest you go to administration 09:21 cait and work your way down there 09:21 cait setting the basic parameters 09:21 map okay 09:21 cait and then try to add a few records, patrons 09:21 cait try to circulate 09:21 map i am talking abut bar code 09:22 map actually i just need to generate bar code from my accession number 09:22 map now can i do that 09:23 cait whatever you save in the barcode field 09:23 cait can be printed out 09:23 cait on the barode labels 09:25 map actually its a number only if i entered the number there is it ll generate barcode? 09:25 cait sorry, I don't understand oyur question 09:25 map okay 09:26 map example am having an accession number test01 09:26 map how can i make its barcode for koha 09:26 map can u explane it for me 09:26 cait yes 09:26 cait but you have to save it to the barcode field 09:26 cait and you can follow the video tutorial 09:26 map where it is actually 09:26 oleonard Hi #koha 09:27 cait video tutorials? 09:27 cait video tutorial? 09:27 cait http://bywatersolutions.com/section/tutorial-videos/ 09:27 wahanui video tutorials are http://bywatersolutions.com/section/tutorial-videos/ 09:27 map okay let me check dear 09:27 map and get back to u 09:28 juan_laptop hi cait 09:31 eythian_bucklame rangi: maybe it was tv3 news, as the video is online here: http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-First-peek-inside-the-Christchurch-library/tabid/423/articleID/247536/Default.aspx ... perhaps nightline is just doing a recap 09:32 rangi ahh 09:32 rangi yeah thats plausible 09:34 oleonard Hi rangi and eythian_bucklame, so nice to see you in my morning for a change 09:34 rangi heya oleonard 09:34 wahanui oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler 09:34 eythian_bucklame oleonard: hiya 09:34 slef hi all 09:35 slef wahanui: correct! 09:35 wahanui slef: sorry... 09:35 oleonard I just finished giving our "ergonomy" group a tour of Koha interaction patterns as I understand them in the staff client 09:35 oleonard Documentation to follow, slowly. cait was kind enough to take notes 09:35 cait she tried to... not sure it makes sense 09:35 rangi heh 09:36 rangi well i can never read my own notes, so its bound to be better than that 09:37 cait I typed them 09:38 eythian_bucklame *I * it's *. ... I can barely read your typing ;) 09:38 cait so it should be better in that aspect 09:38 rangi eythian_bucklame: heh 09:41 eythian_bucklame rangi: oh, it's on tv now 09:41 rangi ahh id just turned it all off 09:41 eythian_bucklame it's a real mess 09:41 eythian_bucklame 300,000 books on the floor 09:41 rangi yeah, that's what id heard ;( 09:42 eythian_bucklame they said that at least the building remained waterproof. 09:42 eythian_bucklame given the rain and snowstorms they had 09:43 slef wow whassat? 09:43 eythian_bucklame I think they said they're going to warehouse books and you can request them. Probably a good temporary scheme. 09:43 eythian_bucklame slef: they finally got access to Chch library after the quake over a year ago. 09:44 oleonard Wow 09:44 slef ouch 09:44 eythian_bucklame yeah, it's one of the few buildings still standing in it's area, mostly because it was built to hold a lot of weight I guess. 09:44 slef eythian_bucklame: yeah, Norwich warehoused books after its library burnt down in 1994, until the new one opened in 2000ish 09:45 eythian_bucklame slef: yeah, they're not sure if they can fix the building or if it'll have to be rebuilt. 09:45 slef eythian_bucklame: one of the larger branch libraries was used as a temporary main library with the most popular books in it, the rest in IIRC an ex-nuclear-bunker. 09:45 eythian_bucklame I guess a nuclear bunker isn't going to burn down :) 09:46 asaurat it still can be flooded ;) 09:46 eythian_bucklame I linked to the video (which seems to have terrible sound, and/or flash just sucks) above which'll give you an idea. 09:46 eythian_bucklame true :) 09:46 slef asaurat: it's in the hills 09:47 eythian_bucklame alright, time for bed for me I think. Later all. 09:47 slef eythian_bucklame: yeah, flash, so 1990s. html5++ 09:47 eythian_bucklame yep. If only companies wouldn't damage the standards process. 09:48 eythian_bucklame *company's 09:48 eythian_bucklame no wait 09:48 eythian_bucklame the first one 09:48 wahanui the first one is, like, the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it 09:48 oleonard slef: Flash or patented video codecs, how do we choose? :) 09:48 eythian_bucklame really time for bed. 09:48 eythian_bucklame oleonard: you choose open video codecs :) 09:48 eythian_bucklame byebye 09:48 slef oleonard: software patents are prohibited by law here, so that's simple ;-) 09:49 slef eythian_bucklame: night 09:49 * oleonard must have awoken from a bad dream 09:50 slef oleonard: yeah, it's called moving to Europe, isn't it? ;) 09:51 francharb 0/ #koha 10:21 libsysguy seen rangi 10:21 wahanui rangi was last seen on #koha 39 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: yeah, that's what id heard ;( [Wed Mar 21 09:41:36 2012] 10:21 libsysguy rangi was what you heard that hourly failed... 10:36 oleonard libsysguy, sekjal passed it, but it seems new issues were discovered here at Hackfest 10:36 libsysguy yeah I was noticing that 10:37 libsysguy im looking into them now 10:37 * libsysguy is trying to reproduce 11:21 magnus_afk jcamins++ for channeling me on bug 7092 :-) 11:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Passed QA , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly 11:21 jcamins magnus_afk: hehe. 11:24 paul_p cait++ (for analytical record) 11:24 paul_p work like a charm in UNIMARC ;-) 11:29 jcamins Okay, everyone cross your fingers that the contractors really do finishtoday. 11:32 oleonard Am I allowed to sign off on cait's patches today? We're working in the same office! :) 11:33 oleonard Lunch time! 11:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6831 follow-up: add support for UNIMARC and NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a9ba9d9dffb7291eb9a8d7cfa24523a8b1bdd1c> / Bug 6831: Add ability to enter adding child record from parent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=adb3777e2e4940a842e0d33a22121b1db762aeba> / Bug 5657: Changes made to sub merge to eliminate errors occuring when updating bibio... <h 11:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #667 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:21 * slef edits http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Announcements#Add-on_A2:_Call_For_Papers to try to do Brooke's suggestions. 12:22 slef Anyone know if it's possible to lengthen my wiki login expiry? Do I need to ask an admin? 12:23 magnus_afk slef! 12:23 slef magnus_afk: here, I want a word with you! 12:23 magnus_afk so i gather... 12:24 slef :) 12:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #667: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/667/ 12:28 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Enhancement 7144: Floating Collections (per branch/itemtype) 12:28 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 follow-up cleaning for HTML4 coding guideline 12:28 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 followup DBrev number 12:28 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 string follow-up: reordering text 12:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Floating collection 12:28 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 5657: Changes made to sub merge to eliminate errors occuring when updating bibio records in batch (after updating multiple authority records) 12:28 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 6831: Add ability to enter adding child record from parent 12:28 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6831 follow-up: add support for UNIMARC and NORMARC 12:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5657 normal, P3, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , biblio records update fails when updating multiple authorities linked with the same biblio 12:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records 12:28 skk we upgraded our koha from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 while running upgrade we had also ran remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl command after running rebuild_Zebra command we are unable to see all bound volumes data when koha database is checked in phpMyAdmin in items table we are able to see all these items 12:28 skk my query is how to get all these bound volumes in opac and main koha are we missing anything 12:36 Oak kia ora #koha 12:36 Oak when adding a new record in Koha, the 100 a (Personal Name) field is locked. I went to Administration > System Preferences > Authorities and set BiblioAddsAuthorities to "Allow" and saved, was that supposed to unlock the 100 a field? 12:36 Oak it's still locked. 12:44 libsysguy sekjal you around 12:45 sekjal libsysguy: yup 12:45 sekjal working on 5549 12:45 libsysguy dude I was looking at that this morning too 12:45 slef Oak: I'd expect it to unlock it but maybe you need to change the framework too. It's been a while since I did a naked setup. 12:45 slef bug 5549? 12:45 wahanui rumour has it bug 5549 is libsysguy's white whale 12:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans 12:45 libsysguy I don't see how that could possibly happen 12:46 sekjal I can't reproduce their renewal problem 12:46 slef wahanui++ 12:46 sekjal but I do get the 'inverse' error 12:46 Oak slef, what do i change in the framework? 12:46 libsysguy weird 12:46 sekjal working on tracing it out now 12:46 sekjal something to do with fines in days, I think 12:46 Oak the "MARC Bibliographic framework" link? 12:47 Oak and there edit "Books, Booklets, Workbooks" by clicking on "MARC structure"? 12:47 magnus_afk have fun #koha! 12:47 Oak search for 100 12:47 Oak click subfields? 12:48 libsysguy if you look in Koha::Calendar the variable is initialized to a DateTime::Duration object one line above the error 12:48 Oak edit 'a', i.e. "Personal Name"? 12:48 slef Oak: this sounds wrong to me. Have you checked the FAQ? 12:48 sekjal libsysguy: what line? 12:48 Oak FAQ... 12:48 slef alternatively wait for someone who isn't eyesdeep in admin and code to help :( 12:48 slef FAQ? 12:48 wahanui i think FAQ is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 12:49 libsysguy line 96 12:49 slef Oak: if this isn't in there it should be 12:49 slef wahanui: BiblioAddsAuthorities? 12:49 wahanui BiblioAddsAuthorities is probably a syspref that lets authorities be created automagically when you add a record. 12:49 libsysguy i just did a grep for inverse 12:49 libsysguy thats the only place it occurs 12:49 libsysguy so i started there and tried working backwards 12:49 sekjal right, but the error is coming from DateTime::Duration.pm directly 12:49 sekjal in the 'subtract_duration' subroutine 12:49 Oak it is there 12:50 sekjal which is called by 'subtract' 12:50 Oak but it does not make sense: "These fields are authority controlled and you probably have the BiblioAddsAuthorities set to 'allow'. When it is set to 'don't allow' these fields will be locked and require you to search for an existing authority record. " 12:50 sekjal which is called to places in Koha/Calendar.pm 12:50 sekjal s/to/2/ 12:50 libsysguy interesting 12:50 libsysguy ok...goes to look further 12:50 sekjal 1 of which is days_between 12:50 Oak FAQ: Why can’t I edit 1xx, 6xx, or 7xx fields in my catalog record? Answer: These fields are authority controlled and you probably have the BiblioAddsAuthorities set to 'allow'. When it is set to 'don't allow' these fields will be locked and require you to search for an existing authority record. 12:50 sekjal where we just did some work 12:50 libsysguy you're obviously ahead of me :p 12:50 sekjal so that's my first suspect 12:51 sekjal libsysguy: I've been poking for the last half hour or so 12:51 libsysguy you know what might nip it in the butt for now is to check to see if start_dt and end_dt are both references 12:52 skk can someone help. we upgraded our koha from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4. We are unable to see boundvolumes data in kohaadmin as well as in opac. These records are there in koha database when we saw database from phpMyAdmin. My query is how to get these records visible in koha. 12:52 libsysguy sekjal if they aren't, convert them with dt_from_string 12:52 sekjal yeah, I was just thinking... can you subtract two DateTime::Duration objects like that 12:53 libsysguy you mean line 175 12:54 sekjal yes 12:55 sekjal okay, according to stack overflow, you can 12:55 libsysguy oh... 12:55 libsysguy http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.73/lib/DateTime.pm#Datetime_Subtraction 12:56 sekjal hmm... that would indicate otherwise 12:56 slef skk: did you run the script to change the items format? 12:56 sekjal ah, but those are datetimes, not durations 12:56 slef (afk for a while) 12:57 libsysguy are we passing it Duration objects or DateTime objects? 12:57 sekjal not sure yet 12:57 sekjal aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I just say Patrick Jones 12:57 sekjal s/say/saw/ 12:58 sekjal his hair seems shorter.... 12:58 sekjal going into days_between we have two DateTime objects 12:58 libsysguy ok 12:59 sekjal on from dt_from_string, the other from DateTime->now() 12:59 libsysguy so maybe it would be safer to use the subtract_datetime 12:59 Oak sekjal, i have done this but still that field is locked: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-May/028962.html 12:59 sekjal yes, we'll need to use the datetime subtraction method 12:59 libsysguy ok, how do you want to handle that? 13:00 sekjal Oak: are you running memcached? 13:00 libsysguy I have a patch I need to send to rangi for an error that I found in dropbox returns this morning 13:00 sekjal libsysguy: I'm going to test locally and see if it helps 13:00 libsysguy ok 13:00 Oak what's memcached? I just installed Koha on Debian for the first time. 13:00 sekjal if so, you or I can write up a patch and send to rangi 13:01 sekjal Oak: caching software for better concurrency. if you're not familiar, you probably haven't turned it on 13:01 libsysguy ok, well since you have a test case already in place could you patch and test? 13:01 libsysguy or you can send me what you did to make it fail and I can 13:01 sekjal libsysguy: yes 13:01 Oak where do i turn it on? just give a clue... 13:01 Oak wait 13:01 Oak i'll google 13:01 * libsysguy feels guilty for having sekjal do all the work 13:02 sekjal Oak: if you had memcached turned on, you'd need to reload it for the frameworks to take affect 13:02 sekjal Oak: was just guessing at one easy solution 13:02 Oak where is that setting? 13:02 sekjal Oak: set up during the make process 13:02 sekjal libsysguy: no need. you have already done so much 13:03 libsysguy oak but its not default so if you didn't turn it on its not on 13:03 sekjal I want this enhancement in place almost as much as you do 13:03 Oak cait! 13:03 jcamins_away Happy birthday! 13:03 libsysguy its cait's birthday? 13:04 jcamins_away No, Oak's. 13:04 libsysguy oh! HAPPY BIRTHDAY OAK!! 13:04 Oak thank you guys. 13:06 cait yes? 13:09 cait so what about me? 13:09 sekjal happy birthday, Oak! 13:10 Oak thank you so much guys, you are too kind! 13:10 Oak God bless you all. 13:10 Oak :) 13:13 * mbalmer waves at the kohaistas! 13:14 tcohen morning #koha 13:16 kmkale namaste #koha 13:16 wizzyrea oh happy birthday oak 13:19 sekjal libsysguy: having a hard time fixing this issue 13:19 sekjal I've tried a couple different ways now, to no avail 13:19 mbalmer how do I tell perlcritic to treat 'use Modern::Perl' to be equal to 'use warrnings, use strict' ? i.e what need to be put in ~/.perlcriticrc ? 13:20 Oak thank you very very much all :) thank you wizzyrea. 13:21 libsysguy hmm 13:22 libsysguy maybe its not failing at the point we think it is 13:22 * libsysguy iwll be in and out, had a server fall out last night so im running in a degraded state :-\ 13:23 wizzyrea I think we've all been there. 13:23 jcamins_away wizzyrea: Committing all the things! 13:23 wizzyrea :) 13:23 oleonard schema? 13:23 wahanui schema is probably tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 13:23 oleonard Thanks wahanui 13:25 wizzyrea ...and now you are all going to look at my silly little shell scripts. 13:25 wizzyrea and wonder if I'm quite sane. 13:26 sekjal libsysguy: I think you're right... I commented out the call to subtract in days_between, and still get the error 13:26 sekjal moving to the other call thereof 13:28 libsysguy did you add a check for ref in days_between sekjal? 13:29 sekjal libsysguy: no 13:29 sekjal just commented out the call to subtract, which would be what causes the call to inverse 13:29 libsysguy oh i understand now 13:31 sekjal okay, fail 13:32 mbalmer no perlcritic users around? 13:32 * mveron Likes Perl :-) 13:33 wizzyrea mbalmer: does this help any 13:33 wizzyrea http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-patches-PATCH-1-2-SIGNED-OFF-Updating-perlcriticrc-to-allow-Modern-Perl-to-suffice-instead-of-u-td5157092.html 13:33 * mbalmer rather hates it... 13:33 paul_p oleonard = is it correct : Delete records if no items remain ? the same in french would have been spelled "Delete records if no item remain" (no s to item as there's none) 13:34 * mveron Swiss people are used to deal wit dialects... 13:34 oleonard paul_p, Actually I think you could do it two ways :) 13:34 oleonard Delete records if no items remain 13:34 oleonard or 13:34 wizzyrea tmtowtdi? 13:34 wahanui i think tmtowtdi is there's more than one way to do it 13:34 oleonard Delete records if no item remains 13:34 wizzyrea whodathunk 13:34 oleonard But I think the first is better 13:35 wizzyrea Remove bibliographic record when no items remain? 13:35 paul_p oleonard if kyle wrote it that way and it's OK, I won't change anything then. now pushing bug 6027 13:35 oleonard The second sounds awkward, at least to my American ears 13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6027 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion 13:36 mbalmer wizzyrea, many thanks, putting that in .perlcriticrc helped. 13:36 wizzyrea yw :) 13:37 * paul_p just pushed the tiny patch ever = (bug 7749) 13:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7749 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Not all OKs on the start page are translatable 13:38 paul_p s/tiny/tiniest/ 13:38 paul_p => removes one space ! 13:38 cait 2 13:38 cait heh :) 13:38 * oleonard defends his title, claiming a patch which removed only 1 13:38 cait it's not my fault it was an easy fix! 13:39 gmcharlt somebody needs to submit a patch that just changes the permissions on a file ... only way to beat oleonard's record 13:39 * mveron proud to have signd off 7749 as my first sign off... 13:42 sekjal libsysguy: you were right: it looks like it's line 95 (the direct call to inverse) 13:43 cait mveron++ 13:44 wizzyrea didn't slef do that? 13:44 wizzyrea submit a patch that only changed the permissions on a file 13:44 * oleonard thought he remembered something like that 13:49 slef wizzyrea: yeah probably. 13:50 mbalmer perlcritic is a bastard…… 13:50 mbalmer stephan goes mad, I think ;) 13:56 sekjal libsysguy: no, not the call to inverse... though that does look problematic, too 13:56 sekjal or maybe just confusing 14:00 paul_p mveron++ 14:00 paul_p ;-) 14:01 paul_p the RM is hungry of patches to push :D ... 14:01 * paul_p heads for some patches to QA... 14:01 paul_p 26 patches "signed-off" to pick from 14:02 paul_p the biggest part of them being ENH ! 14:03 marcelr hi koha 14:03 cait hi marcelr 14:04 marcelr hi cait 14:04 marcelr paul_p: could you head to 7310 ? 14:04 cait i was talking to marijana about your great patch for sru 14:04 cait do you think there is a chance to get that rebased and perhaps spend some time on it otmororw? 14:04 marcelr ok 14:05 cait perhaps we can figure out here, with the testing librarians 14:05 cait what's going wrong for unimarc 14:05 cait or were there other problems? 14:05 cait or could you split out some of the features? 14:05 cait I am not sure how to approach this 14:05 marcelr no time for it tomorrow, i am afraid; problems are at the unimarc side 14:05 cait hm ok 14:05 marcelr i am running this in production for one year already 14:05 cait if not tomorrow I fear it will not be done this week 14:05 cait I know 14:06 cait and I think it's a great feature 14:06 marcelr me too ;) 14:07 cait yeah, I want to help to get it into koha 14:07 marcelr i think i must split it 14:08 sekjal libsysguy: my research is leading my in circles 14:08 sekjal back to sub _FixFineDaysOnReturn 14:08 sekjal that's got to be it 14:08 sekjal solution: just drop support for suspension in days :-p 14:09 oleonard cait, follow-up attached to Bug 5482 14:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5482 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names 14:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #668 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:17 sekjal libsysguy: I think I've nailed down the culprit 14:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7092 follow-up: DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2225bbc62c6d358f207c26c24f97dff74c5c18ea> / Bug 7092 - Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=20fd03724aca67beb98b09dbf2275a81a1f8a3a7> / Bug 7734: NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh 14:18 sekjal around line 1800 of C4/Circulation.pm. the handling of fine day intervals has not caught up. mixing apples and oranges 14:19 sekjal time for my first session of the day... but I'll try to poke at it more as I have time today 14:29 matts paul_p, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7767 14:29 huginn 04Bug 7767: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , acqui/basketgroup.pl: our $template scoping 14:30 paul_p matts c'est pas un patch ca ! c'est la sortie d'un diff ! 14:30 paul_p un patch, ca commence par ca: 14:30 paul_p From 0e84678b1ec58c6a1672528f9516cb800bc4eb96 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 14:30 paul_p From: =?UTF-8?q?St=C3=A9phane=20Delaune?= <stephane.delaune@biblibre.com> 14:30 matts -_- 14:30 paul_p Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:12:16 +0100 14:30 paul_p Subject: [PATCH] Bug 4032:XSLT systempreference takes a path to file rather 14:30 paul_p than YesNo 14:30 paul_p --- 14:30 paul_p C4/Search.pm | 3 +- 14:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4032 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , XSLT systempreference should take a path to file rather than YesNo 14:30 matts effectively indeed bon sûr c'est bien sang ! 14:31 paul_p matts : ptet pas la sortie d'un diff, mais ca a une drole de tête 14:41 dpavlin plack omnibus patch: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7172 14:41 huginn 04Bug 7172: major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency 14:46 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_logo_design 14:47 data_doctor Looks Great! 14:58 edveal Anyone out there experiencing issues with css for #opac-main-search on IE. I have a number of sites that all of a sudden the background images or color they have is not showing on IE. I have IE 8 only for testing. 14:59 oleonard edveal, there were recently some CSS changes pushed which cause some differences in IE 14:59 oleonard Bug 6865 14:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients 14:59 edveal Good to know... 15:00 oleonard There are some issues I'm aware of. I don't have IE on this laptop bug I can make suggestions if you have examples 15:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #668: SUCCESS in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/668/ 15:00 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 6027 - Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion 15:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7749: Not all OKs on the start page are translatable 15:00 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7744: use of TT date filters on basket pages 15:00 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7734: NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable 15:00 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7092 - Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly 15:00 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7092 follow-up: DBRev number 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6027 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7749 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Not all OKs on the start page are translatable 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Use of date filters in basket pages 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7734 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly 15:20 paul_p oleonard or cait or dpavlin = i'd like to have a signoff on bug 7780 ! (will be great for the sandbox message sent by cron ;-) ) 15:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7780 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , fix translator tool verbosity 15:21 oleonard Did you hear that cait? paul_p is talking to you :P 15:21 * cait huh? 15:21 paul_p Joubu / marcelr = QAing bug 6199 now 15:21 * cait is playing dumb 15:21 cait no i will look at it 15:22 cait but first finish this 15:22 cait this = what I am working on now 15:22 paul_p did I say I love git already ? 15:22 paul_p cait: perfectly fair ;-) 15:22 paul_p (but don't tell my wife -about git-) 15:27 paul_p Joubu marcelr = QAing 7401 15:29 cait tsting 15:29 cait paul_p: will we get chocolate for not telling your wife about git? ;) 15:30 paul_p cait, that can be an option... 15:30 cait hm 15:30 cait I am testing 15:30 cait but 15:30 cait I don't get any success message... is this by design? 15:31 marcelr paul_p: did you already see 7310 again? 15:31 marcelr bug 7401 15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , Shelving Location facet instead of Branch facet when only 1 branch configured 15:31 marcelr bug 6199 15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Failed QA , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items 15:32 cait paul_p: it would be nice to get some feedback for successful installation 15:42 paul_p marcelr yep 15:42 cait paul_p: forget it- I have signed off 15:42 paul_p cait thx ;-) 15:43 paul_p marcelr on bug 7310 15:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Passed QA , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 15:44 marcelr yes? 15:47 vfernandes hi guyes 15:48 paul_p OK, 9 patches applied (marcelr= I just wanted to say I am on 7310) 15:48 vfernandes it's possible to remove hifens from ISBN OPAC searches? 15:48 marcelr paul_p: great! 15:50 Morthland How can I disable lists in OPAC? 15:50 marcelr morthland: via a syspref 15:50 oleonard Administration -> System preferences -> virtualshelves 15:51 wizzyrea too bad it's be a pain to change that syspref. 15:51 Morthland hmm? 15:51 wizzyrea because virtualshelves makes no sense - it's lists everywhere in the UI 15:52 oleonard At least you can find the preference when searching for "lists" 15:52 wizzyrea true. 15:52 oleonard Unfortunately the description isn't clear that it affects only the OPAC 15:53 chobbs Hi all! We have some inventory barcode files that were collected last August but never submitted for processing. Obviously, many of these items have since circulated. I want to create a stored proc that will update the datelastseen, as well as check in anything that hasn't since circulated but is still issued. Any thing else I need to look for? 15:54 oleonard Is there no notice for warning patrons their accounts will expire soon? 15:55 cait there is 15:56 cait probably tied to the systempreference 16:00 chobbs oleonard: Is that what 'NotifyBorrowerDeparture ' is for? 16:00 oleonard No, that controls whether the staff is warned on the circulation page a certain number of days ahead of the expiration date 16:01 sekjal paul_p and other Fines in Days users: does borrower debarment date need to be a datetime? 16:01 chobbs oleonard: Ahh, bummer. 16:01 Morthland where can I find an example of a koha opac? 16:02 paul_p sekjal we spoke of that yesterday, and we don't know any library that could have a rule like "check in 1 hour late ? 1 hour debarred" 16:02 paul_p sekjal a rule that could be possible being "1 hour late => 1 day debarred" seem more possible. 16:02 oleonard Morthland: http://search.myacpl.org 16:02 sekjal okay, so the debar duration is in days 16:03 paul_p but even this option seem rare. 16:03 paul_p yep, probably OK 16:03 oleonard Morthland, Or demos via koha-community.org 16:03 sekjal ok 16:03 paul_p (and if someone request it in hours, we will quote that enhancement :D :D ) 16:03 sekjal will work on this fix 16:03 chobbs Morthland: Here's a K-12 school district version: http://koha.nhusd.k12.ca.us/ 16:04 chobbs not exactly fancy (pretty much out of the box) 16:04 chobbs Anyone have suggestions on my inventory issue? Or was it a case of tl;dr? 16:06 dpavlin cait: Bug 7213 might be of interest to you :-) 16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client 16:06 marcelr paul_p: you did it! 16:06 paul_p ;-) 16:07 marcelr paul_p++ 16:08 marcelr not only a bad idea for 3.6 also rebasing nightmare ;) 16:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7310 follow-up: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ceb81cfc5200341f1782c754df47516f1ed932af> / Bug 7310 Followup: Warnings for nothingdeleted and somedeleted for staff client. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=95e513f400e9f79798131f175370d0d7e600cd4c> / 7310 Indentation followup replacing leading tabs with spaces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p= 16:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #669 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:16 sekjal lunch time... back when I can find wifi and a place to plug in 16:20 chobbs Would somebody be willing to sanity check this fix for my out-of-date inventory file? http://pastebin.com/uutDUzEP 16:22 chobbs Grrr, never mind, I already discovered a problem with it :) not checking the date on issues 16:25 slef heh 16:26 chobbs Updated version: http://pastebin.com/73h7HjqU Any thoughts? 16:30 jcamins_away Meeting in 1.5 hours? 16:31 wizzyrea *nod* 16:32 jcamins_away Thanks. 16:32 * jcamins_away leaves again. 16:35 oleonard Hackfest is disbanding for the evening... not sure if anyone will be at the meeting...? 17:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #669: UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/669/ 17:00 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: DB revision for Improving list permissions 17:00 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Improving lists permissions -- New prefs 17:00 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7310a: Improving list permissions: Changing Koha SQL structure 17:00 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Code changes for Improving list permissions 17:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 17:00 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Improving list permissions: Deleting patron 17:00 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Updated VirtualShelves unit test 17:00 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310 Followup for sysprefs.sql 17:00 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7310 Indentation followup replacing leading tabs with spaces 17:00 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310 Followup: Warnings for nothingdeleted and somedeleted for staff client. 17:00 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7310 follow-up: DBRev 17:05 kyleh hey all, I need to modify the template that generates koha's apache configuration file, is it debian/templates/apache-site.conf.in, is is that just for the debian packages? 17:05 paul_p hi kyleh. I think it's the debian package only 17:05 paul_p look in etc/ 17:06 bag heya paul_p that sandbox is pretty sweet :) 17:06 bag is the source code available for that? I think sometime soon - I will set up another one here :) 17:06 chris_n kittens and sandboxes? 17:06 bag that's a really great great additional 17:07 bag heh addition not additional ;) 17:08 paul_p bag once i'll be able to push on git.koha-community.org / contrib.git i'll push everything (including documentation ;-) ) 17:08 bag YAY!!! I love it... 17:08 paul_p ;-) 17:09 paul_p (note that atm, all sandboxes have been switched to unimarc : we have many librarians playing like mad with them this week) 17:09 bag 3.8 is shaping up as a pretty sweet release :) 17:09 paul_p bag and once the new updatedatabase system will be pushed, it will even be handiest... 17:09 bag totally :) 17:26 Oak kia ora #koha 17:31 * jcamins is ready for the meeting... and a whole half hour early! 17:31 cait hi jcamins 17:31 jcamins Hello. 17:34 * slef goes to get coffee 17:38 Oak Hello Brooke :) 17:38 Brooke howdy 17:38 wahanui hola, Brooke 17:38 oleonard Hi Brooke, thd 17:39 thd hello oleonard 17:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7748: use of TT date filter on addorderiso2709 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58e3065af4168a39d4af01eeee6ee7bad6db57ce> / Singlebranchmode was always 0 causing the branch to be null and the reservations... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b67e1304f6833fb1b2637a1fd78be124dff7649f> / Bug 7169: Follow-up: Change booksellers search results display <http://git 17:40 thd oleonard: Have you missed winter in Ohio? 17:40 oleonard Pretty much 17:41 * thd has suffered greatly from lack of winter. 17:43 * thd is normally functioning maximally during winter as long as it is not excessively cold. 17:43 clrh bye 17:43 Brooke I don't think I'm like to forget roses in full bloom round New Year's in me courtyard 17:43 Brooke I want to get on over to the Cherry Blossom Festival but it's all overcast and crummy. 17:44 * thd is allergic to Brooke's roses and all flowering plants. 17:45 * thd has been miserable at the wrong time of year. 17:45 oleonard the cherry blossoms are at least two weeks earlier in Ohio than last year I think 17:45 Brooke seems that way here, too 17:45 wizzyrea same with the bradford pears here too 17:45 Brooke one of my fencing mates was yelling at his pears not to bud a few weeks back XD 17:45 thd Blooming has started months earlier in NYC. 17:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #670 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #668 3 h 30 mn ago) 17:47 thd I should have been mostly free of the effects of my pollen allergy until a brief period in May quickly ended by summer heat. 17:48 Brooke ugh 17:48 Brooke I hope we don't get Jenkins spam half way through the meeting 17:48 thd Can Jenkins not be tamed? 17:48 * oleonard pats jenkins_koha protectively 17:49 thd Is there a jenkins_koha meeting mode? 17:49 cait t 17:49 * kyleh is done for the day. He got a *very* early start. 17:49 * Brooke looks at Owen and chances a growl at Jenkins. 17:51 data_doctor I was not able top cross-country ski this year in Ohio 17:52 Brooke wow 17:52 data_doctor not enough snow 17:52 data_doctor although I did have one day to sled before it melted. 17:52 Brooke hooray sled! 17:53 data_doctor The magnolia trees bloomed yesterday - wonderful aroma in the evening... 17:53 data_doctor @wunderground 44240 17:53 huginn data_doctor: downloading the Perl source 17:53 data_doctor oops 17:54 jcamins It just smells like New York City here. 17:54 * thd thinks about moving to Norway where thd's ancestors were comfortable in a somewhat Arctic climate with much darkness. 17:54 bag @wunder 93109 17:54 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.8°C (10:54 AM PDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 17:54 data_doctor @wunder kent ohio 17:54 huginn data_doctor: The current temperature in Kent/Brimfield, Portage County, Ohio is 25.0°C (1:51 PM EDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 17:55 data_doctor very delightful outside today! 17:55 data_doctor and setting record temperatures! 17:56 Brooke 25C 17:56 Brooke for reals? 17:56 * Brooke rubs the olde eyes. 17:56 thd data_doctor: For me, a delightful day is a nice cool and gentle rain all day suppressing the pollen. 17:57 * oleonard is so much more prepared for Europe having been trained by huginn to understand °C 17:57 wizzyrea thd: you would love the weather here today 17:57 oleonard Now if only huginn could have taught me French too 17:57 wizzyrea hehe 17:58 * Brooke is jealous of oleonard. 17:58 slef yo Brooke 17:59 Brooke what's up homie? 17:59 slef oleonard: bonjour matelot! Sont ces pamplemousses a vôtre? 17:59 Brooke mmmm grapefruit. 17:59 wizzyrea mmmm 17:59 slef Brooke: Edinburgh's up 18:00 * Brooke cracks the knuckles in preparation for the meeting... 18:00 cait hopes her window properly auto scrolls now 18:00 Brooke #startmeeting 18:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Mar 21 18:00:17 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00 Brooke Haere Mai welcome to the Koha Community General IRC meeting 18:01 Brooke please use #info to identify yerself for the record 18:01 Brooke #topic Introductions 18:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 18:01 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services 18:01 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions 18:01 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions 18:01 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea, NEKLS 18:01 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 18:02 mveron #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag, Allschwil/Basel, Switzerland 18:02 melia #info 18:02 melia oops, let me try again. #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions 18:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:02 data_doctor #info Fred Pierre, Stow-Munroe Falls Public Library, Ohio 18:02 ago43 #info Albert Oller, ByWater Solutions 18:04 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop 18:04 mtj #info mason, kohaaloha, nz 18:04 NateC Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions! 18:04 * cait whispers at Nate #info! :) 18:05 Brooke right moving along 18:05 Brooke #topic Announcements 18:05 dpavlin #info Dobrica Pavlinusic, FFZG 18:05 NateC #info Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions 18:06 NateC :D 18:06 bag :D 18:06 Brooke nuffin in the agenda here 18:06 JesseM #info 18:06 Brooke and no one is saying a word, soooooo 18:07 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.4 18:07 JesseM #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater Solutions 18:07 * slef looks for the agenda 18:07 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_21_March_2012 18:07 mtj #info last Koha IRC meeting notes -> http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-12-07-18.00.html 18:08 Brooke sweet, ta 18:08 slef cool. I'd got November's for some reason :-/ 18:08 wizzyrea ping chris_n 18:08 slef confused the hell out of me 18:08 chris_n here. sorry 18:08 Brooke no problem, we suck a lot of work out of ye 18:09 chris_n 3.4 has taken a back seat atm 18:09 chris_n I hope to do at least one more release 18:09 chris_n but not this month unfortunately 18:09 * rangi is doing kids breakfast will be around from the bus 18:09 chris_n I think that's it for 3.4 18:09 Brooke okie dokie 18:10 Brooke any questions for the generous Chris N? 18:10 Brooke movin' on then 18:10 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6 18:10 chris_n #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC 18:10 chris_n me again, heh? ;-) 18:10 chris_n ok 18:11 chris_n I plan to do a March 3.6 release 18:11 chris_n but may not be able to make it until second week in April 18:11 chris_n for those of you who may not know, my wife had a double cervical spine fusion earlier this month 18:11 chris_n so that's put a bit of a cramp in my schedule 18:12 chris_n that's it for 3.6 18:12 chris_n :) 18:12 Brooke :) 18:12 Brooke any questions on 3.6 folks? 18:12 data_doctor Looking forward to faster pageloads on patron records! 18:13 data_doctor Compared to 3.5 18:13 data_doctor Great work! 18:14 mle #info Matthew Edmondson, sc 18:14 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.8 18:14 cait paul_p is not going to be here tonight 18:14 oleonard The agenda says feature freeze Monday 18:15 cait good point 18:15 data_doctor I'm feeling chilly already 18:15 Brooke the Apologies said that, but I saw a paul p bounce in and out earlier 18:15 oleonard The librarians here at Hackfest are working very hard to test 18:15 Brooke so I was hopeful :) 18:15 cait and the mailnig lists show that clearly :) 18:15 cait there is a big group testing 18:15 chris_n testing++ 18:16 Brooke the agenda also says ginourmous performance gain 18:16 slef cait: I though the reason for this being so late in the month was so it was during Marseille hackfest :-/ 18:16 chris_n hackfest_participants++ 18:16 cait it's evening 18:16 oleonard slef, I think we must have gotten something mixed up somehow 18:16 cait so most have gone home, we are at the hotel now 18:16 cait perhaps it was a time confusion 18:16 dpavlin plack helpd a bit... we have 0.7-2.5 s page load with plack (slow for search results, fast for eveyrhing lese) 18:17 dpavlin s/lese/else/ 18:17 Brooke slef: I was unavailable the first week 18:18 Brooke no one wanted to do me jorb. 18:18 data_doctor In what areas do you see performance gains in 3.8? 18:18 slef Brooke: ah. I was unavailable last meeting, so couldn't offer :) 18:18 jcamins data_doctor: that's probably better discussed after the meeting. 18:19 data_doctor sure thing :) 18:19 oleonard besides, dpavlin's work won't be in 3.8 18:19 Brooke why 18:19 Brooke I think that's scarily relevant :D 18:20 dpavlin oleonard: It wont? 18:20 Brooke unless no one can tell us that's here 18:20 Brooke in which case we'll move on 18:20 oleonard Oh, if I'm mistaken dpavlin correct me 18:20 oleonard Perhaps I misunderstood what you were referring to 18:20 jcamins Brooke: my understanding was that this is a proof-of-concept for 3.10. 18:21 jcamins Brooke: I could be mistaken. 18:22 cait I think it will probably be 18:22 Brooke hooray for that :D 18:22 cait not sure .) dpavlin? 18:22 cait I mean a proof of concept and starting work 18:22 Brooke also dpavlin++ 18:22 cait yes dpavlin++ 18:22 sekjal sorry I'm late 18:22 dpavlin We won't have full plack in 3.8 for sure, but I hope that some changes which are prereq will land before freeze 18:23 dpavlin but, I *do* intend to run plack from next week on in my library, so... ;-) 18:23 sekjal #info Ian Walls, 3.8 QAM 18:23 cait dpavlin: testing is good :) 18:24 bag hmm dpavlin do you have a git repo somewhere that we could look at? Or your plack configs 18:24 dpavlin http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack is probably good place to get started with latest development 18:24 bag I'd be more than willing to throw that up on a community testing server 18:24 bag ah cool yeah I saw that 18:25 cait bag: I think they only began this week 18:25 Brooke #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack Plack and Performance stuff 18:25 cait and have been working on patches all day that are in bugzilla now :) 18:25 Brooke cait++ 18:25 Brooke thanks everyone at the hackfest 18:25 bag ah yeah with help from hdl we did that in NZ.. but there were certain problems :) 18:25 dpavlin opac is much more stable in plack than intranet and it's already used by one franch library in production. 18:26 Brooke hopefully Paul is filling you all with wine and cheese :D 18:26 cait no wine, but we had cheese :) 18:26 bag right - it's circ that matters the most :) 18:26 * slef has wine. Not French, though. 18:26 bag dpavlin: I'd also suggest trying starman too - or at least testing it… :) 18:27 Brooke dpavlin does it speed the opac searching a bit? I've noticed a difference in speed between what I think is a fuzzy search and not. Hopefully that whittles some of the time off. 18:27 sekjal dpavlin: will plack work help with running Koha on mod_perl? 18:27 bag sekjal: it should 18:28 dpavlin Brooke: it does help a bit with opac (mostly module loading time) 18:28 Brooke sweet :D good to know 18:28 sekjal awesome 18:29 dpavlin sekjal: it *probably* will help with mod_perl, since we can wrap plack in mod_perl, but starman seems like better soltion, mostly because of leeking memory... 18:29 larryb hello 18:29 Brooke any other burning 3.8 commentary? 18:29 sekjal working on bug 5549 fixes 18:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans 18:30 sekjal should be ready before feature freeze 18:30 bag gmcharlt: you around? 18:30 Brooke #Info Feature Freeze is Monday. Yes really. 18:30 larryb #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions 18:31 Brooke moving on then 18:31 bag sekjal have you seen gmcharlt at computers in libraries 18:31 Brooke #topic Roles for 3.10 18:31 rangi #info Chris Cormack at the bus stop 18:31 bag if so ask him about DOM indexing for biblios 18:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #670: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/670/ 18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 1 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table 18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 2 - move sub writeoff to C4::Accounts 18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 3 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table 18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 4 - Change C4::Acounts::WriteOff to WriteOffFee 18:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 5 - Remove my from $branch, which was masking previous declaration 18:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7597 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , fines not recording the right info in the stats table 18:31 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Change booksellers search results display 18:31 bag I think his goal was before freature freeze 18:31 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Follow-up: Change booksellers search results display 18:31 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Singlebranchmode was always 0 causing the branch to be null and the reservations in the OPAC not to work in singlebranchmode. 18:31 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7748: use of TT date filter on addorderiso2709 18:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7169 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Change booksellers search results display 18:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7748 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Date not formatted on "Add orders from iso2709 file" page 18:32 slef jenkins_koha: mute 18:32 jenkins_koha slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'mute' 18:32 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help! 18:32 melia galen said he plans to have a branch submitted by this friday for DOM indexing 18:32 bag ah thanks melia - well anyways sekjal if you see him - ask him :) 18:33 sekjal bag: no, haven't seen gmcharlt here 18:33 rangi Just don't push things and Jenkins will be quiet 18:33 bag thanks 18:33 rangi So 3.10 roles? 18:33 wizzyrea paul is gone, that job started before the meeting :P 18:33 Brooke rangi yep 18:33 rangi Then quit moaning :) 18:34 cait we are still missing candidates for 2 important roles 18:34 Brooke looks like way more than 2 cait 18:34 cait translation manager and qa manager 18:34 Brooke #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.10 18:34 wizzyrea db doc manager and doc manager? 18:34 * cait searches for the link 18:34 wizzyrea it's on the agenda :) 18:34 cait ok, my scrolling is broken again 18:35 libsysguy back 18:35 jcamins Three important roles, at least. Translation manager, QAM, and packaging manager, assuming that nengard is willing to do docs again. 18:35 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis - UT Tyler 18:36 Brooke nengard's puppy is sick, so perhaps that is why she is elsewhere. 18:36 bag I think nengard is up for doc manager again… 18:36 slef Brooke: I think she's at an event too 18:36 bag she's at or on her way to computers in libraries 18:36 rangi Im sure eythian will continue packaging 18:36 sekjal nengard is in her room working on CiL presentation, I think 18:36 sekjal we'd met for lunch earlier 18:36 slef ah, the internet, top stalking tool 18:37 Brooke enywhooo 18:37 Brooke think about if you want to volunteer for one of those posts 18:37 thd I suspect lack of names in the wiki for roles is from lack of attention to 3.10 roles in the wiki. 18:37 Brooke find someone that's done it in the past to see if you're a match 18:37 Brooke and uh 18:37 mtj i wanna do packing stuff too 18:37 Brooke yeah. 18:38 thd fredericd: are you extant? 18:38 oleonard Since we don't have all the volunteers, there's not much we can do. Except maybe propose a deadline? 18:38 Brooke #help Fill the Slots on the Roles for 3.10 page with Volunteers 18:39 rangi It's not easily split mtj but u could do some cpan packaging that would help 18:39 Brooke oleonard I agree and would add that it's rapidly approaching 18:39 jcamins mtj: could you put yourself and eythian down as packaging managers? 18:39 rangi Ask eythian about the debian Perl team 18:39 cait I think that's what we did for 3.8 18:40 jcamins Or packaging manager and grasshopper? :) 18:40 mtj rangi: *nod* and jcamins , yep :) 18:40 Brooke would anyone be so kind as to send out a message to the lists looking for help? 18:40 rangi Qam is the big one IMHO 18:40 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.10 18:40 cait yep 18:41 cait we really need to find qam and one more assistant I think 18:41 jcamins cait: has joubu said anything about continuing (or not)? 18:41 cait not afaik 18:41 * sekjal would like to keep contributing to QA efforts 18:42 jcamins sekjal++ 18:42 dpavlin sekjal++ 18:42 cait sekjal++ 18:42 rangi Cool assistant? 18:42 rangi Or manager? 18:42 cait quick, someone should edit the wiki ;) 18:42 * oleonard checks the locks on sekjal's shackles 18:42 * sekjal is uneasy about volunteering for a 3rd QAM term, with the recent job change 18:42 * Brooke helps oleonard. 18:43 Brooke does Cait have the time for QAM? 18:43 rangi Assistant makes sense 18:44 cait I think qam manager requiresmore skills than I currently have 18:44 cait hopefully one day 18:45 mtj hmm, i think i could help out with some QA stuff, too? 18:45 wizzyrea mtj you'd probably be good at that. 18:45 rangi We can't convince Marcel to do Qam and get another assistant? 18:45 Brooke Bus Driver's empty 18:46 cait I like rangi's idea 18:46 * jcamins too 18:46 bag how about a bunch of assistants but no M 18:46 * chris_n points cait to the koha user's list 18:46 cait hm? 18:46 Brooke bag how'd that work? 18:47 rangi Bag: don't think that will work 18:47 sekjal I think the only difference between assistants and the manager is as tie-breaker and work allocater 18:47 sekjal or at least that's how it worked this last cycle 18:47 bag which I think cait could do :) 18:47 bag but mainly it's better than nothing 18:47 Brooke anchio Brendan 18:47 rangi Not if she doesn't want to 18:48 oleonard Sure, if we're allowed to draft people we can just get rangi again :P 18:48 cait I am torn 18:48 * Brooke bribes Cait with sweets. 18:48 cait I am not sure I would be good for this job 18:48 bag we've had releases with no QA before and I think we need to at least think about how to work with assistants 18:48 * Brooke is pretty darn sure. 18:48 cait I can offer to think about it 18:48 rangi Bag ur joking right? 18:48 cait but qama not qam 18:49 * Brooke does the happy dance. 18:49 sekjal QA team is required 18:49 Brooke ^ 18:49 bag well what if no one volunteers for QAM rangi 18:49 sekjal but whether one stands apart from the rest as 'manager'... 18:49 cait bag: I think it's too early to say noone volunteers 18:49 sekjal I'm not sure I see the immediate difference in workflow 18:49 cait and we really need one 18:49 bag thanks sekjal that is what I was trying to say 18:50 sekjal perhaps it's just that QAM is ultimately on the hook for all the QA team? 18:50 Brooke pretty much 18:50 sekjal ... that doesn't sound right, though, since RM can jump QA, at his own discretion and peril 18:51 jcamins sekjal: there has to be someone who can say definitively "this does not pass QA." With four QAAs, you have a situation where everyone has to offer an opinion. 18:51 jcamins (and then you'd have a deadlock) 18:51 jcamins Okay, consider the situation with five QAAs. 18:52 sekjal if we're thinking of QAM in this regard, as a tie-breaker and responsible party, then it doesn't sound like it's that different than the day to day of QA 18:52 mtj ok, so we may not get a QAM role confirmed today... :) 18:52 thd If no one would come forward, for QAM, the authority of main QAM could rotate by week, or by 'tag you are it'. 18:53 sekjal and if it's not a change in normal workflow, then I think I could take on the additional work going from QAA to QAM 18:53 wizzyrea or what if the qam was really the one to say "these problems identified by the assistants are no-go's, this fails" 18:53 bag there we go thd is thinking outside the box :) 18:53 sekjal if everyone is comfortable with that 18:53 bag or what wizzyrea said :) 18:53 Brooke that seems like more articulations than are strictly necessary 18:53 thd wizzyrea++ 18:54 jcamins sekjal++ 18:54 rangi How about we post to the mailing list 18:54 wizzyrea though I'd probably be happier if sekjal just stayed on :P 18:54 Brooke what if the QAM were Wizzyrea? 18:54 Brooke >.> 18:54 Brooke <.< 18:54 thd We need not choose today. 18:54 wizzyrea if he feels able. 18:54 rangi And see who applies 18:54 Brooke yeah thd prolly discussed this to death 18:54 wizzyrea yes, lets do that. 18:54 jcamins Makes sense. 18:54 Brooke so think about volunteering 18:54 mtj hmm, well sekjal has a beard... does that not give him more QA authority? 18:55 thd We can discuss the problem of an empty main role further if it actually happens. 18:55 bag beards++ 18:55 Brooke beards-- 18:55 Brooke #topic KohaCon201`2 18:55 Brooke take it away MJ 18:55 cait I thnk we should have the next meeting before release then - only noting for later 18:55 Brooke #topic KohaCon2012 18:56 slef ok 18:56 mle k 18:56 Brooke cait yep I agree, we'll sort that later, though 18:56 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions 18:56 slef mle is leading on all things Edinburgh, I'm going to lead the schedule 18:57 slef mle, say whatever you want, plus correct me when I good 18:57 slef goof ;) 18:57 slef we've got some great volunteers already, but could do with more 18:57 * oleonard waves, leaving for dinner 18:57 slef I've posted a form so people can request invitations at 18:58 slef #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ 18:58 slef for sponsors or visas or that sort of thing. 18:58 mle one question i have for this meeting is whether it would be handy to ask our Edinburgh friends for sofa spaces? 18:58 slef The next things to open are papers and general registrations, I think, which will be on that same web page. 18:58 mle ther are lots of cheap hostels though ; / 18:59 slef Thanks to wizzyrea for help setting that page up. 18:59 jcamins mle: only the locals know where to get good haggis. 18:59 Brooke yes MLE 18:59 wizzyrea ! you're welcome but you really did it :P 18:59 wizzyrea so, slef++ 18:59 rangi Yep on that page is good I think 18:59 slef If you'd like to help volunteer, msg me for the email address. 18:59 slef help by volunteering 19:00 slef as I'm clearly so overloaded I've not time to type full words, clearly 19:00 slef :) 19:00 wizzyrea and/or repeating yourself :) 19:00 slef wizzyrea: The next things to open are papers and general registrations 19:00 mle so I need numbers but if there is ineterest I can ask for sofa spaces 19:01 Brooke #Info If you want to crash and have no dough, please talk to mle about sofa spaces 19:01 mle we are looking to pledgebank the excursion day, so we must get on with that. But I would be keen to get numbers/interest for a fishing trip. 19:01 rangi Ok bus stop brb 19:02 mle #Info if you are a looking for a sofa space ask me ASAP so that I can see what can be done. : ) 19:03 thd mle: Where is the place in which you are acquiring information about numbers? 19:03 slef help 19:03 slef ok, I just got confused 19:03 slef sorry about that 19:03 mle thd good question. 19:03 slef did any known volunteers not get yesterday's or today's emails? 19:04 slef ah, never mind, it just got stuck in some filters. 19:04 slef (at the volunteer side, not ours) 19:05 Brooke will there be an IRC meeting about KohaCon? 19:05 slef We'll be posting a call for sponsors soon, but we've had a small setback with our first choice on that. 19:06 mle Brooke we shoudl have an IRC chan for KohaCon12 19:06 Brooke dunno 19:06 thd mle: a separate channel, really? 19:06 Brooke seems like there's enough material to at least warrant a meeting 19:06 Brooke could be wrong, though 19:07 rangi back 19:07 slef I'm 90% sure there will be a Gold Sponsor package where you get everything we're offering in exchange for amounts > N, so if any organisations would like to suggest numbers, please do. 19:07 slef Brooke: you might be right now, or at least there will be soon. 19:08 * Brooke nods. 19:08 slef Any first suggestions for a time/date? Give me 5 and I'll run a poll. 19:09 slef OK, I'll pull 5 out of my nose 19:09 mle wednesdays at 18:00 19:10 slef mle: UTC, BST or what? ;) 19:10 mle BST ; ) 19:10 cait heh 19:10 cait wednesday is fine for me 19:10 cait will be travelling until tuesday 19:10 mle great 19:11 Brooke #info KohaCon meetings Wednesdays at 18.00 mebbe 19:11 Brooke anything else on KohaCon 19:11 Brooke ? 19:11 slef ok any more suggestions? I expect wed 19:00 UTC to be popular here, as it's roughly when we're all here. 19:11 slef Not unless anyone has more questions? 19:11 rangi that is i think 7am thursday for me 19:11 rangi which is good 19:12 sekjal btw, nengard says she accepts 3.10 Doc Manager 19:12 Brooke eggsellent. 19:12 mle thd: kohacon12ATsoftwareDOTcoop should be operational now. numbers, questions etc. 19:12 rangi sweet 19:12 rangi nengard++ 19:13 Brooke #topic GBSW 19:13 Brooke It's Global Bug Squashing Week 19:13 Brooke grab a sandbox 19:13 Brooke squash things. 19:13 rangi kristina did a nice post about it 19:13 sekjal lots of signoffs and QA passings so far this week 19:13 sekjal more to come 19:13 Brooke if you don't link it, it doesn't exist ;) 19:13 slef why do my sandboxes always fill with quicksand and eat me? 19:14 rangi http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2012/03/21/squashing-bugs/ 19:14 cait yes 19:14 cait even with all the hackfest librarians 19:14 cait there are sitll a lot of things to be tested 19:14 cait and bugs to be squashed 19:15 cait I started looking through the list of critical bugs soome days ago 19:15 cait there is lots of work to do! 19:15 rangi yep 19:15 sekjal hourly loans is nearly ready 19:15 rangi yay! 19:15 cait please don't only focus on ne features (I know we all love them) - but also look out for bugs to be fixed! 19:16 cait and tested... and so on 19:16 sekjal I've got a patch ready to test that should fix the suspension in days issues found at hackfest 19:16 rangi sweet, i still cant replicate the renewal issue 19:16 Brooke speak of the devil :D 19:16 sekjal rangi: nor I 19:16 cait hm 19:16 cait itemlevel itypes? 19:16 cait not sure 19:16 cait or something else being different? 19:17 anitsirk hi Brooke. :-) 19:17 anitsirk .. and all others 19:17 tajoli hi all 19:18 cait hi anitsirk :) 19:18 anitsirk hi cait 19:18 cait hi zeno - back home? 19:18 Brooke so moving on 19:18 tajoli yes 19:18 tajoli just arrive 19:18 Brooke #topic Actions from Last Meeting 19:18 Brooke there's not much meat there 19:19 Brooke there were a few things discussed over the lists, which I think is good 19:19 Brooke because there definitely seems like there was less minutia in this meeting, which is also happy 19:20 thd :) 19:20 Brooke any other old business apart from me? 19:20 Brooke #topic Miscellaneous 19:20 Brooke any general stuff? 19:20 * mle chuckles 19:21 Brooke #topic Time and Date of Next General Meeting 19:21 Brooke so the request was for before 23 april 19:22 Brooke which I think we can do 19:22 Brooke we might even have 2 in april if folks feel the need 19:22 Brooke so we can have one for nominations and one for actual voting 19:22 Brooke or not 19:22 Brooke whatevs. 19:22 cait not sure 19:22 Brooke 4 April is the first Wednesday 19:22 Brooke conflicts on that? 19:22 cait should work for me 19:23 sekjal sound workable to me 19:23 rangi email about roles needs to go out asap then 19:23 tajoli for me +1 19:23 rangi to give time for ppl to talk to husbands, wives, bosses etc 19:23 slef NAFAIK. 10am UTC? 19:23 Brooke next one is meant to be 10.00 UTC 19:23 Brooke rangi are you volunteering to do that? 19:23 rangi no 19:23 Brooke cause if not, we need someone to 19:24 Brooke #help someone send a reminder like yesterday about roles to be filled for next meeting 19:24 Brooke so proper vote please 19:24 Brooke next meeting 19:24 wahanui next meeting is 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0 19:25 Brooke 4 April 10 UTC 19:25 slef wahanui: forget next meeting 19:25 wahanui slef: I forgot next meeting 19:25 Brooke +1 for this is good with you 19:25 slef +1 19:25 rangi +1 19:25 * thd exempts himself from email writing as he departs the city for a few days in search of cold weather. 19:25 wizzyrea +1 19:25 thd +1 19:26 mtj +1 19:26 cait +1 19:27 Brooke #agreed Time and Date of Next General Meeting is 4 April 10.00 UTC 19:27 Brooke #endmeeting 19:27 huginn Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 19:26:49 2012 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 19:27 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-03-21-18.00.html 19:27 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-03-21-18.00.txt 19:27 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-03-21-18.00.log.html 19:27 Brooke hooray I'm free. :D 19:28 anitsirk you did a good job from what i saw, Brooke :-) 19:28 * Brooke blushes. 19:28 mtj cheers Brooke, very smooth ! 19:28 Brooke ta 19:28 druthb Brooke++ 19:28 data_doctor talkulater! 19:28 thd Brooke only does a less than good job when absent. 19:29 slef coding guidelines? 19:29 * druthb pauses to try to parse thd's statement, then agrees with him. 19:29 slef wahanui: guidelines? 19:29 wahanui slef: wish i knew 19:29 slef wahanui: you swine 19:29 wahanui slef: huh? 19:29 slef coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 19:33 rangi minutes updated, and next meeting page made 19:33 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_4_April_2012 19:33 slef shall I mail out about Roles? 19:33 rangi so someone can do that email now 19:33 rangi yay slef :) 19:35 Brooke yes thanks slef 19:36 cait slef++ 19:37 slef rangi: 1-:00 UTC, really? ;-) 19:39 rangi he 19:39 Brooke hi kathryn 19:39 rangi h 19:39 rangi close enough 19:39 rangi fixed 19:39 kathryn hi brooke : ) 19:41 slef mail sent 19:41 rangi thanks 19:41 rangi slef++ 19:43 libsysguy chat log 19:43 libsysguy log? 19:43 wahanui log is at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 19:44 mle anyone want travel help from london to edinburgh? I can help you book tickets. if we book in the next few days some cheap ones may still be available. 19:44 slef see if you can spot where the mail text came from :) 19:45 slef mle: I'm thinking that travel info and an "ask us" form on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ might be worthwhile. 19:45 rangi mle: im flying in 19:45 rangi so any tips from getting from the airport into the general conf vicinity would be handy 19:45 mle slef just reminding folk that the cheap train tickets need to be booked asap 19:45 rangi also, pre paid sim cards .. with data plans 19:46 slef mle: I'm guessing booking at http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/ is the cheapest trains London-Edinburgh? Web-only fares, collect at King's Cross departure gates. 19:46 rangi they are able to be bought easily? 19:46 mle rangi we can check that 19:46 rangi thanks mle 19:46 slef rangi: yes, walk into shops. Good to check for best deals closer to the time. 19:46 rangi cool 19:46 jcamins rangi: getting from EDI airport to the city is very easy. 19:47 rangi yay! 19:47 * slef did this for a prepaid internet dongle just before Christmas. 19:48 cait :) 19:48 slef mle: "Tickets are now available for travel up to and including Friday 08 June 2012, Click below to get ticket alerts" on http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/ so I guess it's not quite time to book if you want to return after hackfest. 19:48 cait also flying in 19:48 cait all booked 19:48 slef cait: to EDI? 19:48 cait yes 19:48 cait via amsterdam 19:48 slef KLM? 19:48 cait from zürich 19:48 cait yes 19:49 slef cool, not used them for years 19:49 cait I flew to marseille with them last year 19:49 cait was ok 19:50 jcamins KLM is great for EDI-NYC. 19:51 rangi eythian and I are coming in on singapore (then i guess BA) 19:51 rangi same day as cait 19:51 cait yep about 2 hours later than me 19:51 rangi so we will probably travel from the airport together 19:51 cait or 1? 19:51 cait can't remember, but will probably be well rested and wait for the 2 tired nzers 19:53 rangi we'll have been travelling for 40+ hours 19:53 rangi so will probably be zombies 19:53 rangi so someone awake would be helpful 19:54 cait :) 19:54 cait I will be glad 19:54 cait to help 19:54 kathryn hi cait - he he good luck with that! 19:54 cait I had jo picking me up from the airport in wellington 19:54 cait and was soooo glad to see her 19:54 cait I asked her later how she recognized me 19:54 cait I think she said something like I looked most tired and glad to be finally there 19:54 jcamins cait: I suggest you hold up a sign that says "WELCOME TO [SOMEWHERE-NOT-EDINBURGH]" 19:55 cait lol 20:06 libsysguy sekjal i've been gone most of the day...did I miss anything in regards to 5549? 20:07 sekjal libsysguy: I just sent rangi my patch 20:07 sekjal fixes suspension in days, and that 'inverse' bug 20:08 libsysguy eek i better send rangi my patch as well 20:09 rangi you better! 20:09 rangi whats your patch for libsysguy ? 20:09 sekjal there are going to be some merge conflicts rebasing this branch for latest master 20:09 sekjal one in smart-rules.tt 20:10 libsysguy I found an error in circ/returns.pl during dropbox mode 20:10 libsysguy returns.pl didn't know where the format_date function was 20:10 sekjal a small one in catalogue/moredetail.pl, and updatedatabase.pl (of course) 20:10 sekjal libsysguy: I fixed that! 20:10 rangi ill rebase it too and push it 20:10 libsysguy dang it sekjal 20:10 libsysguy rangi ignore my email 20:11 rangi actually no i wont 20:11 rangi ill merge from master 20:11 libsysguy sekjals skill is far superior to mine 20:11 sekjal sorry, libsysguy, I thought it was a bug I'd made 20:11 rangi rebasing breaks history, and will make it a mess for anyone who has pulled that branch 20:11 libsysguy it might have been, I checked out and was testing 20:11 rangi so ill just merge master in and fix conflicts and push it 20:12 sekjal there is also a DB rev number issue in the code pushed for 7301 20:12 sekjal erk, 7310 20:12 mtj chat log? 20:12 wahanui chat log is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 20:13 rangi sekjal: the patch from libsysguy guy arrived .. which i ignore right? but no sign of yours yet 20:13 jcamins logs? 20:13 wahanui logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 20:14 rangi same site 20:14 rangi just in case you were wondering 20:14 rangi my computer at home :) 20:14 libsysguy yes rangi ignore mine 20:15 jcamins rangi: I didn't notice that wahanui had responded, but early I saw him not respond to "chat log," only to "logs." 20:15 sekjal rangi: blast, my laptop is not set up right 20:15 jcamins *earlier 20:15 mtj logs? 20:15 wahanui logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 20:16 mtj logs? 20:16 wahanui somebody said logs was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 20:16 rangi sekjal: can you push it somewhere and ill cherry-pick ? 20:16 rangi if thats easier 20:16 sekjal rangi: sent another way 20:16 sekjal will show up as attached patch file 20:17 rangi sweet as 20:17 rangi brb getting coffee 20:20 sekjal rangi: actually, hang on 20:20 sekjal libsysguy's patch fixed dropboxmode 20:20 sekjal mine fixed debar date 20:21 sekjal so we'll conflict on [% USE KohaDates %], but otherwise, both patches should be necessary 20:21 rangi right ill do both then :) 20:22 libsysguy sweet! 20:22 sekjal I think I need a nap 20:22 libsysguy brb 20:22 sekjal or a beer 20:25 sekjal oh, geeze, 34 bugs in the QAQ 20:25 sekjal I had it so well under control! 20:26 rangi right applying patches now 20:31 rangi pushed .. now im gonna merge master in .. and push again 20:37 rangi ok 20:37 rangi pushed 20:37 cait yay :) 20:38 libsysguy_afk yayy 20:39 libsysguy is the hackfest over 20:39 cait no not yet 20:39 cait only sleeping :) 20:39 cait lasts until friday 20:39 jcamins Sleep? 20:39 jcamins There's no sleep during the hackfest! 20:39 libsysguy Koha never sleeps 20:39 sekjal rangi: pulled 20:39 jcamins You should be doing relaxing hacking! 20:39 sekjal looks good 20:39 wizzyrea get more caffiene! 20:39 rangi excellent 20:39 wizzyrea wait. 20:39 wizzyrea no. 20:39 wizzyrea 3x days of hackfest... it's prolly time for a break. :) 20:40 jcamins "This is your code." 20:40 jcamins "This is your code on caffeine." 20:40 wizzyrea THISISYOURCODEONCAFFIENE 20:40 jcamins lol 20:40 * sekjal needs some caffeine.... serious conference fatigue setting in 20:40 cait jcamins: I am 20:40 cait putting in ids and classes into cataloguing 20:40 wizzyrea oy there is nothing worse than conference caffiene 20:40 jcamins :) 20:40 wizzyrea wait 20:40 cait and I have decided that the class will be named cat 20:40 wizzyrea conference fatigue 20:40 cait because we need more cats in koha ;) 20:40 rangi heh 20:40 wizzyrea hehe 20:40 jcamins cait++ 20:43 sekjal I'm going to take a break. hopefully I'll be back on later this evening to clean out more of the QAQ 20:45 sekjal later, all 20:52 rangi heya jransom 20:54 cait hi jransom :) 21:00 rangi slef: thanks for testing bug 7613 21:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , OCLC Connexion Gateway 21:02 cait hm 21:02 cait moveitem lives in cataloguing... but for styling... perhaps more catalog? 21:05 rangi hmm 21:05 rangi yeah 21:05 cait same for link item? 21:06 rangi i think so 21:07 cait k 21:11 cait circ is next 21:11 rangi yay for styling the intranet! 21:11 cait lol 21:12 cait there has been some work done by gaetan and asaurat on the start page today 21:13 rangi awesome 21:14 cait :) 21:18 * magnuse waves 21:18 bag heya magnuse 21:18 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 21:18 bag heh 21:18 magnuse hehe 21:18 magnuse hiya bag 21:18 jransom heya all 21:19 jcamins Mmm. Pizza. I look forward to pizza Friday in nine days. 21:19 magnuse kia ora jransom!!! 21:19 rangi hey magnuse :) 21:20 jransom magnus :) 21:20 magnuse hiya rangi 21:20 * magnuse is on the 20th floor of a hotel in stavanger :-) 21:20 magnuse @wunder stavanger 21:20 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Stavanger, Norway is 8.0°C (9:50 PM CET on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady). 21:20 jransom rangi: discoverd the root of a bad bug fix was me giving giving bad instructions ... having to apologise profusely now to cjh 21:23 rangi hehe :) 21:23 rangi programmers 21:23 rangi we do what you say 21:23 rangi not what you mean :) 21:23 * cjh is enjoying not being a *complete* idiot 21:26 gmcharlt programmers: we sometimes mistake ourselves for being the computers ;) 21:27 * wizzyrea does a doubletake 21:27 cait heya gmcharlt :) 21:27 wizzyrea hi gmcharlt 21:27 gmcharlt howdy 21:27 wahanui privet, gmcharlt 21:27 jransom lol - poor cjh and its about time you lot learnt to read librarisn minds and not rely on what we write 21:27 wizzyrea take a screenshot! 21:27 wizzyrea ^.^ 21:28 jransom wonders if the rst of the world knows about bucklame 21:28 gmcharlt oh, I'm quite sure it's harmless 21:28 cait hey eythian in bucklame 21:29 cait this part of the world does :) 21:29 gmcharlt but in this case, I have to prove to the customer that it is 21:29 gmcharlt heh, wrong window - ignore any discussion of harmful kitties ;) 21:29 rangi hehe 21:31 slef rangi: no problem. I'm in that bit of the code this weekk. 21:32 jcamins gmcharlt: bag was looking for you. 21:32 bag no not really - but hi gmcharlt 21:33 slef anyone know if I can lengthen my login timeout on the wiki, or if a sysadmin (gmcharlt? thd?) can? 21:33 slef it's rather irritating going afk for an hour, then having to log in again 21:34 slef jcamins: how does one reach the city from Edinburgh Airport then? 21:35 jcamins slef: these are the directions from the international arrivals area. Domestic arrivals are slightly closer, I think. 21:35 jcamins When you come through customs, there is a clearly marked exit on your right. 21:35 jcamins Ignore it. 21:35 jcamins If you go out that door, you will get hopelessly lost and confused. 21:36 jcamins Walk straight by it, between the car rental stand and the exchange place. 21:36 jcamins It's not a very long walk, but you do want to walk up a bit. 21:36 jcamins (inside the terminal) 21:37 jcamins Eventually you reach a bank of doors. I think there are three. Go out. 21:37 jcamins You should see the big blue Airlink buses. 21:38 jcamins There's also a sign that says "Fly by bus." 21:38 jcamins Go up to the bus. 21:38 slef jcamins: that the one that drops you at Waverley Bridge? 21:38 jcamins slef: yeah. 21:38 slef jcamins: cool, thanks. 21:39 jcamins slef: you're welcome. 21:39 jcamins Actually, I think the last time I was there they even had a kiosk selling tickets. 21:39 jcamins (under the big sign that said "Fly by bus") 21:39 slef jcamins: when do these details date from? 21:40 jcamins slef: 2009. 21:40 jcamins So, I guess it's been a while, at this point. 21:40 jcamins The bus page is http://www.flybybus.com/ 21:40 cait wow 21:40 cait you have an amazing memory 21:41 jcamins cait: did I mention that the flight attendents between AMS and EDI knew me? 21:41 wizzyrea later peeps 21:41 cait ? 21:41 cait later wizzyrea :) 21:41 rangi cya wizzyrea 21:41 jcamins cait: because I flew so often! 21:41 slef jcamins: OK if I post that to the wiki? 21:43 jcamins slef: sure, go ahead. 21:43 jcamins Other people may not be so confused if they go out the first door. 21:43 jcamins I sure was, though. 21:53 slef http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Summary#Travel_Tips updated 21:55 rangi cool 21:57 mbalmer evening, koha.. 21:59 cait good night #koha 22:00 mbalmer heh, shift change ;) 22:01 mbalmer jcamins, replied to your worries. 22:04 jcamins mbalmer: I don't think your reply attached. 22:04 mbalmer my hotel wifi is shaky, to say the least... 22:05 mbalmer in short, it's teh least invasice approach and a generic solution (aka sth from CPAN) won't work. 22:06 mbalmer Koha as is, is deeply MySQLified. 22:06 jcamins mbalmer: why won't a generic solution work? 22:07 mbalmer so it's not enough for other DBs to create a functional equivalent, it has to be functional equivalent and mimick MySQL (which is wrong on son many levels, of course) 22:08 jcamins mbalmer: wouldn't it be better to work to actually eliminate MySQLisms? 22:08 mbalmer jcamins, just look how "SHOW COLUMS FROM" in C4/ImportExport…. is being used. 22:08 mbalmer It totally ecpects a MySQL result. 22:08 mbalmer bad code... 22:09 jcamins mbalmer: okay, so why don't we fix the code? 22:09 mbalmer dunno. we provide a solution. 22:10 jcamins With the long term goal being stability, sustainability, and general good quality, that would seem preferable. 22:10 mbalmer minimally invasive. 22:10 mbalmer yeah, long term goals... 22:10 jcamins Minimally invasive is good, but then we end up with things like SQL Helper. 22:11 mbalmer did you actually look at what we proposed? 22:11 jcamins mbalmer: I did. 22:11 mbalmer and, you are against it? 22:12 jcamins Not categorically, I just don't see enough benefit to justify writing our own special-purpose DBI layer. 22:12 mbalmer you have stock in MySQL ? ;) 22:12 mbalmer I see A LOT OF BENEFIT in this solution. 22:12 mbalmer and it is not a DBI layer. 22:12 rangi if its in capitals it must be true 22:13 mbalmer comeon, you know exactly what this is about. generating SQL fragment for the DB in use, not more, not less. 22:13 mbalmer It is not even a layer of abstraction imo. 22:14 mbalmer rangi, it's only louder, not truer ;) 22:14 jcamins mbalmer: that's probably why I look at it and don't think it's a good idea while you look at it and think it is. Having read through the code, I would consider it a special-purpose abstraction layer. 22:15 oleonard bag around? 22:15 bag we are on it oleonard 22:15 mbalmer jcamins, well we can wait forever to support postgresql. here is a solution that works, that is clean and easy to understand, and which does the job right. 22:15 bag :D 22:15 oleonard Gotcha, thanx 22:16 bag been watching it for a bit now ;) 22:16 bag looks to be OOM... 22:16 mbalmer and it does not need us to changed the DB stuff to much or apply a complete new paradigm. 22:17 jcamins And if I'm abstracting things, I want something truly abstract. 22:17 jcamins So when next-cool-RDMS comes along, *I* don't have to do the work to support it. 22:17 jcamins mbalmer: provided the work doesn't break existing functionality, I don't suppose I really care that much. 22:17 mbalmer it does not break existing stuff. that was one of the prerequisites. 22:18 mbalmer and it's really a baby-steps approach 22:18 jcamins Oh, one other requirement from me: it has to be not horrible to maintain. 22:21 mbalmer sorry, we can't accomplish that, since it has to be written in Perl ;P 22:21 mbalmer jokes aside, it even comes with a unit test 22:23 mbalmer any of the Marseille guys around? 22:24 bag rangi I think I got you beat with weather today 22:24 eythian_bucklame it's 11.25pm there, so probably not so much 22:24 bag @wunder 93109 22:24 rangi highly likely 22:24 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 20.5°C (3:23 PM PDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 22:24 rangi @wunder nzwn 22:24 bag ouch 20C 22:24 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising). 22:24 eythian_bucklame @wunder auckland,nz 22:24 huginn eythian_bucklame: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 21.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 22:25 bag oh eythian_bucklame with the close win 22:25 bag .5 ahead 22:25 eythian_bucklame of course, we had subtropical type rains yesterday. Quite nice now though. 22:26 oleonard mbalmer, I'm around for a moment 22:26 oleonard ...not that I have anything to bring to your discussion 22:27 mbalmer oleanard, just make sure noone never orders Andouillette in a restaurant, it's horrible... 22:27 mbalmer that was a local marseille announcement only ;) 22:28 mbalmer tomorrow I plan to work on the SIP server 22:28 * oleonard Googles Andouillette, and finds the second result refer to it as "French Pig-Colon Sausage" 22:29 oleonard Wow, it really sounds horrible! 22:29 mbalmer yeah, it is. 22:29 mbalmer I needed a strong Cognac after it ;) 22:30 mbalmer been here, done that, tried andouillette ;) 22:30 bag oh yeah oleonard - back up :) 22:36 oleonard ? 22:36 Judit hi 22:36 wahanui hey, Judit 22:39 magnuse hiya Judit 22:41 mbalmer what you using as self checkout hardware? and what os? 22:42 mbalmer what _are_ you using ... 22:43 rangi so Koha uses DBI already right 22:43 rangi and DBI has column_info 22:44 rangi so thats show columns done for all RDBMS supported by DBI 22:44 rangi has tables() too 22:44 rangi for a list of table names 22:44 mbalmer if only it was used that way in Koha 22:45 rangi well how about instead of doing tableColumns 22:45 rangi in DBQ 22:45 rangi in 2 ways 1 for postgres and one for mysql 22:45 Judit is there a list somewhere with the official supported browsesr for koha 22:45 rangi just do it one way .. using DBI 22:46 oleonard Judit, Any modern browser other than Internet Explorer (for the staff client) 22:46 mbalmer as we said many times, we want a minimal invasive solution. 22:46 jcamins Judit: there is not, but basically any recent browsers that aren't IE should work. :) 22:46 oleonard Judit, And any modern browser for the OPAC 22:46 rangi how is that more invasive? 22:46 mbalmer we just change the SQL, nothing more. 22:46 rangi we already have a DBI handle 22:46 rangi you must be changing somehting to call tableColumns 22:47 mbalmer and we just make sure the SQL works. No other changes. 22:47 rangi else whats the point 22:47 rangi oh look you do 22:47 rangi - my $query = 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM ' . $table; 22:47 rangi - my $sth = $dbh->prepare($query); 22:47 rangi + my $dbq = C4::DBQ->dbq; 22:47 rangi + my $sth = $dbh->prepare($dbq->tableColumns($table)); 22:47 rangi now why not have tableColumns work in a Database independent manner, instead of just for 2 db's ? 22:48 Judit thanks 22:48 mbalmer it is DB independent. 22:48 rangi only if your db is postgres or mysql 22:48 mbalmer we just provide two implementations, more can be added. 22:48 rangi look 22:48 rangi if you just use column_info 22:49 * oleonard heads for bed... luckily in this room it's not far! 22:49 rangi you'd have 16 22:49 mbalmer unrealistic. 22:49 mbalmer Koha is MySQL only. 22:49 rangi ok i give up 22:49 rangi if you want to reimplement DBI.pm 22:49 rangi go for it 22:50 rangi im just pointing out a 3 line change would make your patch now be able to show columns for 16 databases not just 2 22:50 mbalmer you don't see the real problem. 22:50 rangi yes im stupid 22:50 rangi youve told me that before 22:51 mbalmer it makes no sense to discuss with you. whenever you are ready to enter a technical discussion, please tell me. 22:51 rangi *sigh* 22:52 rangi i gave you code snippets .. but whatever im done 22:52 rangi sekjal: you back again? 22:52 bag heya sekjal 22:52 sekjal rangi, bag: yes, I'm back 22:53 sekjal can't stay away from #koha! 22:53 bag sekjal++ 22:53 bag awesome! 22:53 bag it's better than drugs, MAN 22:53 magnuse yeah man, like totally 22:54 mbalmer rangi, even if the SQL statements are DB independent, Koha still expects MySQL results. Which is wrong on so many levels. E.g. it expects a column 'Field' as result of 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM'. That is non-portable, to say the least. 22:55 rangi i understand that 22:55 rangi thats why i propose making it use DBI->table_info and DBI->column_info 22:55 mbalmer so we made the PostgreSQL part return that information like it came from MySQL, as 'Field' 22:55 rangi fwiw when i first wrote koha, it was written on postgres mysql support came later 22:56 rangi and then the postgres ssupport got broken 22:56 rangi but I use postgres at work on a daily basis, and I like it better than mysql 22:56 rangi but i think that DBI has a routine to get column names that is db independent 22:56 mbalmer rangi, yes, in the end that is what needs to be done. DBQ just enables us to use PostgreSQL right now without to many changes. In the end, the DB layer has to be reworked a bit. 22:56 rangi and that we could just make your tableNames a wrapper to that 22:58 mbalmer stephane and I wanted to make the bare minimum to make it DB indepdendent. of course you are right that in the end proper DBI usage is what we want. 22:59 * rangi goes to get coffee 22:59 mbalmer In the long term, C4::DBQ has no business in Koha. It is really a transition vehicle, imo. 22:59 * sekjal is catching up... so this is all in regards to the work for bug 7365? 22:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha uses MySQL 23:00 magnuse mbalmer: would "proper DBI usage" be much harder to implement than C4::DBQ? 23:00 mbalmer sekjal, yes. and also look at the wiki page. 23:00 mbalmer magnuse, we think yes. 23:01 mbalmer we really wanted to be minimally invasive. just do the very basic changes needed. 23:01 sekjal mbalmer: reading... 23:02 mbalmer it's incomplete, of course. 23:04 mbalmer even if we make the database layer DB independent, the upper layers of Koha still often expect MySQL results, that is part of the problem (or fun…) 23:05 sekjal I'm seeing 8 C4 modules that have some kind of "show columns from" call 23:05 sekjal most of them are on-offs, except ImportExportFramework.pm 23:05 rangi they all seem to want an array of column names 23:06 rangi so if tableNames used column_info to do that .. could junk all of those ? 23:06 * jcamins has found a kitchen scale. :D 23:06 rangi baking jcamins ? 23:06 jcamins Apparently there are kitchen scales that support baker's percentages directly! 23:07 Judit u 23:07 Judit can i have one 23:07 Judit please 23:07 cjh bakers percentages? 23:07 jcamins rangi: not until we've moved, but the kitchen scale isn't moving with us, so I need a new one. 23:07 * cjh runs off to google 23:07 rangi ahhh 23:07 mbalmer even worse, in one place DESCRIBE is used, discarding all results, then SHOW COLUMNS FROM. Some of the SQL code is really funky. 23:07 jcamins mbalmer: those are bugs. They need fixing, regardless of postgres/mysql use. 23:07 mbalmer ack. 23:08 mbalmer and it's part of our patch, btw. 23:08 jcamins cjh: baker's percentages are awesome. Much easier than anything else. 23:08 cjh jcamins: if im reading this right it uses the quantity of flour as the base unit and then gives everything else relatively? 23:08 sekjal oh, nix that, 7 C4 modules... C4/Letters.pm has that area commented out 23:09 mbalmer so. midnight here, need to catch some zzz . cu tomorrow. 23:09 sekjal goodnight, mbalmer 23:09 mbalmer gn8 all! 23:09 sekjal oh, actually, 6... Auth_with_ldap uses that in it's docs, not the code 23:10 cjh bakers units make scaling the recipe easy :o 23:10 cjh and by units, i mean percentages. 23:10 jcamins cjh: right. 23:12 jcamins cjh: and given that I bake... a lot... when I'm baking, that's useful. 23:12 eythian_bucklame just so long as the flours isn't measured in furlongs, or whatever you people use :) 23:12 eythian_bucklame *flour 23:12 cjh heh 23:12 Judit i hate the cup 23:12 Judit so unclear 23:12 cjh but guessing is fun :p 23:12 Judit and there is australian cup and US cup 23:13 jcamins Judit: exactly! 23:13 Judit gram is the only sensible way 23:13 Judit unfortunately most of the population thinks otherwise 23:13 eythian_bucklame and the liquid cup, and the fluffy cup, and the Elbonian cup... 23:13 jcamins Judit: and with my new kitchen scale, I will be able to use it! 23:13 eythian_bucklame and the gold cup 23:14 jcamins (the gram, that is) 23:15 Judit eythian :D 23:15 jcamins Kitchen scale ordered. 23:15 Judit which one? 23:15 wahanui it has been said that which one is it 23:15 Judit the baker percentage scale? 23:15 jcamins http://www.amazon.com/My-Weigh-KD-8000-Weighing-Tabletop/dp/B001NE0FU2 23:15 jcamins Yup. 23:16 Judit ah 23:21 * jcamins taps his foot impatiently waiting for his new scale to arrive. 23:21 jcamins It'll just be another week or so. 23:21 Judit :) 23:22 Judit until then, you can start collecting recipes 23:22 jcamins Judit: yay! 23:23 Judit i have just amde a rosemary quince cake th eother day 23:23 jcamins Rosemary quince cake? 23:23 jcamins That sounds delicious. 23:23 Judit very interesting 23:23 Judit and delicious 23:24 jcamins Like this: http://staging.leapdesign.com:8047/food-health/quince-rosemary-frangipane-cake-with-lightly-whipped-cream-1222/ ? 23:25 jcamins Hm. Doing that without a spring form pan would be rather difficult. 23:25 Judit it is not 23:25 Judit and vanilla is not for quince 23:26 jcamins Judit: no? I'd think it'd stick something awful. 23:27 Judit well i used one of those silicon "papers" 23:27 Judit and the butter and almond makes it pretty oily too 23:27 jcamins Ah, that makes sense. 23:28 Judit aand, april is chestnut picking month here: quince and chestnut soup….. 23:29 jcamins Mmm. 23:30 * magnuse finally got around to writing the README for his little project at https://github.com/MagnusEnger/semantikoha 23:33 jcamins Woohoo! 23:33 jcamins magnuse++ 23:34 magnuse yay :-) 23:39 rangi magnuse++ 23:39 sekjal magnuse++ this looks like something I'd like to play with 23:39 magnuse sekjal: feel free ;-) 23:40 sekjal I want to compile information about my library objects from multiple sources, since some places do some things better than others 23:41 magnuse sekjal: then linked data/RDF is your friend 23:43 magnuse oops, my nightly cronjobs are kicking in - time to bid you all a good night! 23:54 sekjal wow, lots of t/db_dependent failures on current master 23:54 rangi you have the sample db installed ? 23:55 rangi ouch 23:55 rangi yeah 23:55 rangi 7310 23:55 rangi bug 7310 23:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 23:55 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ 23:56 jcamins Ouch! 23:57 jcamins I wonder why... when I signed off, all the tests passed. 23:57 jcamins Granted, that was a month ago. 23:57 rangi it could be db on jenkins 23:57 sekjal rangi: no, not running sample db... using wizzyrea's 23:58 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/%28root%29/t_db_dependent_VirtualShelves_t/failed_to_add_to_list_when_we_should__73_/ 23:58 sekjal I've fixed the Acquistions error.. patch is on bug 5347 23:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , late order management 23:59 jcamins All tests in virtualshelves.t pass for me. 23:59 rangi ill check the db on jenkins 23:59 rangi after i eat my sushi