Time  Nick              Message
23:29 mle               even
23:29 mle               /away zzZZzz
23:07 eythian           it'll never catch on
23:02 mtj               well, first i make a nice espresso...  :)
22:59 eythian           mtj: you program _without_ beer sometimes? How does that work?
22:59 eythian           hello Judit1
22:58 rangi             sup NateC
22:58 rangi             hi Judit1
22:58 mtj               wow, beer and programming -> https://www.linux.com/images/stories/brewtarget.png
22:57 Judit1            hi knitta, mtj
22:57 mtj               morning Judit
22:54 Space_Librarian   morning
22:53 Judit             morning
22:40 rangi             :)
22:40 jcamins           Though, I don't think I'd provide much support for 3.2.x either.
22:39 rangi             yours was more diplomatic than mine ;)
22:39 jcamins           Makes sense.
22:38 rangi             explaining patches should be written for master not specific branches
22:38 jcamins           My response was even diplomatic, I think.
22:38 rangi             oh ill reply too
22:37 jcamins           rangi: I replied already.
22:37 rangi             im replying jcamins
22:36 jcamins           [off] I didn't say "support," I said "maintained." Based on the fact that 3.2.x hasn't had a release in... 8 months, I would've thought that this was reasonably apparent.
22:35 jcamins           [off] Was that unclear?
22:33 mtj               the spacing looks ok on the kohacon-12 logo, to me
21:55 wizzyrea          hm, that came out wrong-ish.
21:55 wizzyrea          that's what they all say.
21:54 * wizzyrea        nods sagely
21:52 Space_Librarian   lol
21:51 mbalmer           scotsman: "nothing is worn, it's all in perfect order!"
21:51 mbalmer           "oh, btw, what is worn underneath your kilt?"
21:51 mbalmer           reminds me of a joke
21:50 * mbalmer         buys a kilt
21:47 mle               (I think)
21:47 mle               the venue itself
21:47 mle               the castle is actually Teviot
21:47 mle               /s/thining/thinking even
21:47 Space_Librarian   mle - I love the castle. It looks awesome.
21:47 mle               well your re-enactment comment got me thining
21:46 mbalmer           am looking forward to the event.
21:46 mbalmer           great logo.
21:46 mle               ; )
21:46 mle               ty.  well the first was a draft anyhow
21:45 mbalmer           mle, way betterer
21:45 mle               mbalmer: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/images/Koha-logo12.png  better? (good enough?)
21:39 mib_e754xo        allrighty then. Thanks for the help!
21:39 * jcamins         runs his own servers.
21:39 jcamins           mib_e754xo: I don't know, sorry.
21:38 mib_e754xo        can I have a link that forwards to it and disguises the url?
21:38 jcamins           That's a little outside the scope of what we can help you with, I think.
21:37 mib_e754xo        It does, but we are not hosting the library online, as we host our website through a GoDaddy server
21:37 jcamins           Oh, your college doesn't have a website?
21:36 jcamins           mib_e754xo: you either have IT set it up on the DNS server (better), or you edit /etc/hosts on every single client.
21:36 mib_e754xo        I think we use Google's
21:36 mib_e754xo        we don't serve our own DNS.
21:36 mib_e754xo        I see.
21:36 mib_e754xo        I can do it server side? or do I have to individual fix the hosts file client-side?
21:36 jcamins           mib_e754xo: you have campus IT set up the DNS for you.
21:35 jcamins           mib_e754xo: you don't do it at the router.
21:35 mib_e754xo        how do I configure the DNS, at the router?
21:34 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7418 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Add heading flipper script
21:34 jcamins           I guess a heading flipper script a la bug 7418 should probably come before handling see-from references in searches.
21:32 jcamins           virtual hosts are http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
21:32 jcamins           In Apache.
21:32 mib_e754xo        virtual hosts?
21:32 jcamins           mib_e754xo: you use DNS and virtual hosts.
21:31 mib_e754xo        I am building a library system for my college, and have it deployed on Ubuntu 10.10
21:31 mib_e754xo        right now it is 192.168.1.66/opac or something
21:31 mib_e754xo        ?
21:31 mib_e754xo        How can I doll up the url for the intranet
21:30 jcamins           eythian: I rest my case.
21:30 Space_Librarian   l337 5p34k
21:29 eythian           if you parse it as leet speak
21:29 eythian           jcamins: eetesazho
21:29 wizzyrea          I do my best.
21:29 jcamins_away      mib_e754xo: you should change your nick. I can't pronounce it in my mind. ;)
21:29 eythian           wizzyrea: nice understatement there :)
21:29 jcamins_away      You need a VPS.
21:29 jcamins_away      mib_e754xo: I don't think it can be done, sorry.
21:29 wizzyrea          I think that would not go well.
21:28 mib_e754xo        Has anyone ever deployed koha on a GoDaddy server?
21:28 jcamins_away      mib_e754xo: Debian, Ubuntu, something apt-based.
21:28 mib_e754xo        what's the best system, debian?
21:28 jcamins_away      mib_e754xo: if you spend enough time, you can make it work, but it'll be very unpleasant.
21:28 Space_Librarian   got it. Right, the reason for this people keep emailing us .iso lists from the cart, and it comes up as anonymous - we don't know who they are, and can't follow up with them - is there a way around this?
21:27 jcamins_away      mib_e754xo: not easily.
21:27 wizzyrea          doable? yes. Advisable? probably not.
21:27 mib_e754xo        Is koha deployable on CentOs 5?
21:27 mib_e754xo        that didn't do it.
21:22 cait              lists is virtualshelves i think
21:22 wizzyrea          opacbookbag
21:21 * Space_Librarian looks for bookbag
21:21 wizzyrea          yep
21:21 Space_Librarian   turn off bookbag?
21:21 mbalmer           we should do a tossing the caber session at kohacon12
21:21 mle               http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/images/Koha-logo12.png try that then
21:21 * wizzyrea        didn't get any
21:21 mib_e754xo        Can you turn off lists?
21:21 mle               me too
21:21 mbalmer           I get ons of errors on that page
21:21 mib_e754xo        turn of bookbag
21:20 jcamins_away      Space_Librarian: you can, yes.
21:20 mib_e754xo        go to admin page for opac
21:20 * wizzyrea        looks in the prefs.
21:20 mib_e754xo        yes
21:20 wizzyrea          I thought so
21:20 mle               mbalmer is the kerning better?
21:20 Space_Librarian   while you lovely people are making me envious. I really want to go to kohacon... riddle me this. Can one turn the cart option off in the OPAC (silly, I know, but can it be done?)
21:20 * wizzyrea        is not an expert
21:20 * wizzyrea        thinks it's better
21:20 mbalmer           mle, I could re-enact as librarian ;)
21:20 mle               pls check for kerning
21:19 mle               but re-kerned
21:19 mle               wiki errors
21:19 mle               re-kerned and mroe errors
21:19 mle               http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Koha-logo12.png
21:19 * mle             wonders if there is any re-enacting going on
21:19 wizzyrea          that would be so awesome.
21:18 cait              more amazing
21:18 mbalmer           do we have to wear kilts during kohacon2012?
21:18 wizzyrea          sounds terrifying.
21:18 mbalmer           koha highland games..
21:15 cait              hey eythian
21:15 wizzyrea          http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=lrLNqw0UWQA
21:15 wahanui           niihau, eythian
21:15 eythian           hi wahanui
21:15 mbalmer           tossing the caber is fun.
21:14 wizzyrea          oooh, definitely popcorn-worthy
21:14 * wizzyrea        looks on youtube for this
21:13 mbalmer           rangi, I want to see the loha dev that really tosses the caber 180 degrees...
21:13 * rangi           just wants to see caber tossing
21:13 * wizzyrea        gets the popcorn
21:12 rangi             i vote we toss a caber at ppl who say that
21:12 mbalmer           and when we meet in edinburgh, I will tell you that the kerning was bad ;P
21:11 mle               : P
21:10 mbalmer           one pixel less to the left ;)
21:10 * mle             giggles
21:10 mbalmer           err, kerning
21:10 mbalmer           sure, lerning means life ;)
21:10 * wizzyrea        giggles
21:09 mle               ; )
21:09 mle               dammit kerning is improtant
21:09 mbalmer           mle, you know what?  in the end this logo is just nice.  there is always details to make better, but the software itself is not perfect either ;)
21:09 cait              :)
21:09 * mle             also wishes that mediawiki woudl accept svg so that others could sort the kerning. : )
21:08 wizzyrea          sec
21:08 * mle             tries kerning
21:08 wizzyrea          oh gee, i used to know
21:08 mle               meh
21:08 mle               s/it/is
21:08 mle               and we don't seem to know what the original font it
21:08 mle               the 'k' is too curly
21:07 mle               and the new one now looks wrong
21:07 mle               i can't replace the 'koha' since the font isnt exact, and i cant find the font
21:07 mle               argh
21:07 wizzyrea          mbalmer may be more of an expert at it than me though
21:07 mle               ty wizzyrea
21:06 wizzyrea          well koha is spaced, and it looks like con maybe isn't
21:06 mle               i was workign with what i was given
21:06 mle               ok
21:06 * mle             has been looking at the text for a while now
21:06 mbalmer           the distance between the first o and h is to large imo
21:05 mle               the 12 or the koha / con?
21:05 mle               whcih bit of the text
21:05 * wizzyrea        too
21:05 * mle             <3 xkcd
21:05 mbalmer           mle, well look at the text
21:04 mle               : )
21:04 mle               i got it
21:04 wizzyrea          http://www.xkcd.com/1015/
21:03 * wizzyrea        will find it for you
21:03 * mle             googles for the xkcd
21:02 mle               i dont want bad kerning
21:02 mle               can you describe how it could be better?
21:01 mle               ok. lets sort it
21:01 mle               20:40 < mbalmer> the kerning is really bad, actually
21:01 mle               mbalmer> hmm, the kerning on that logo is wrong.
20:40 mbalmer           the kerning is really bad, actually
20:39 * wizzyrea        recalls the xkcd
20:39 wizzyrea          oh god, bad kerning.
20:39 mbalmer           hmm, the kerning on that logo is wrong.
20:39 wizzyrea          then there are not enough dollars -> GBP in the budget
20:38 mbalmer           wizzyrea, they take GBP, not $$
20:38 * Space_Librarian can't - too far away for work to justify sending me. :(
20:38 * wizzyrea        can't, no $$ in the budget :(
20:37 * mbalmer         will go
20:37 Space_Librarian   bag, me too
20:37 bag               I wanna go :(
20:37 mbalmer           the kohacon12 logo?  definitely deserves a "++"
20:36 wizzyrea          mle++
20:36 rangi             that logo he made
20:35 mbalmer           err, should I also mle++?  what's it about?
20:31 Space_Librarian   mle++
20:30 Space_Librarian   *sighs*
20:28 mbalmer           edinburgh rules
20:17 cait              mle++
20:17 wizzyrea          preeeetttyyyy
20:17 rangi             mle++
20:17 rangi             http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/images/thumb/Koha-logo12.png/800px-Koha-logo12.png
20:16 rangi             ohhh
20:16 * cait            is already there
20:15 oleonard          pretty soon you all are going to have to admit it's a day
20:15 cait              have a nice evening oleonard
20:15 * oleonard        calls it a day too
20:14 * libsysguy       just wrote my first perl crawler :)
20:11 cait              :)
20:10 * oleonard        suspects now catalogers will complain about how bright red the field labels are :P
20:10 wizzyrea          than the old way.
20:10 wizzyrea          I like that better, actually
20:08 * wizzyrea        signs off
20:08 wizzyrea          oleonard: I like it
20:07 oleonard          Bye jcamins
20:07 cait              you deserve it :)
20:07 jcamins           So long, #koha.
20:07 * jcamins         decides to call it a day.
20:07 cait              oleonard++
20:07 rangi             oleonard++
20:05 wizzyrea          cool
20:05 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7670 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , make required fields red in additem.pl
20:05 wizzyrea          more signoff.
20:05 oleonard          Fixed it in an update to Bug 7670
20:05 * wizzyrea        will qa/signoff right now
20:05 oleonard          Yes
20:04 wahanui           well, bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet.
20:04 wizzyrea          bug?
20:04 oleonard          Okay, additem validation should now work
19:41 oleonard          Hmm... maybe that's not it after all...
19:30 oleonard          jquery's each() function seems to hit elements which are display:none, but jquery's eq() function does not :P
19:27 sekjal            oleonard:  good question
19:25 * oleonard        is wondering why we output them at all even if they are display:none
19:25 oleonard          Are lines in the add item form for things like "total checkouts" there because the script require that they be submitted even if they are not displayed?
19:22 jcamins           Agreed.
19:20 cait              or not :)
19:20 jcamins           Then you probably did.
19:20 cait              i thought i did
19:20 cait              me niether
19:20 jcamins           I don't recall.
19:20 wizzyrea          maybe not
19:20 wizzyrea          i thought cait added it
19:20 jcamins           wizzyrea: does intranet use results_summary?
19:20 edveal            It is Monday. I was trying to make it much harder than it is... LOL
19:19 wizzyrea          :)
19:19 edveal            Thanks...LOL
19:19 edveal            Duuuu
19:19 wizzyrea          in your opac or intranet usercss
19:19 jcamins           .online_resources { background-color:yellow; } ?
19:18 edveal            I am looking to yellow highlight the background of a single line in the detailed display.  Specifically the class="results_summary online_resources" Any suggestions?
19:03 wizzyrea          yea, mine's doing that too
19:03 wizzyrea          oh I SEE
19:03 oleonard          In my system, for instance, the script thinks 952 a is at index [0]. It is output to the page at index[8]. so instead of warning me that 952a is empty, it warns me that 952 0 is empty
19:01 * wizzyrea        marks more fields required
19:01 wizzyrea          mine seems alright...
19:00 wizzyrea          you probably don't have jquery customizations on your test server
19:00 oleonard          I think because the order in which the fields are generated differs from the order in which they are output in the template
19:00 oleonard          It completely misidentifies which fields are mandatory
19:00 wizzyrea          define completely broken
18:59 wizzyrea          seems like I just looked at a patch for that recently
18:59 wizzyrea          !
18:59 cait              :(
18:59 oleonard          Client side validation of the add item form is completely broken.
18:53 jwagner           /quit
18:27 cait              oh
18:27 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7577 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Suggestion show page
18:27 jenkins_koha      * srdjan: bug_7458: Correct existing existing call numbers retrieval
18:27 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 7577 follow-up
18:27 jenkins_koha      * jonathan.druart: Bug 7577: Adds a display page for suggestions
18:27 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #652: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/652/
18:26 oleonard          We don't use acquisitions at all. No vendor data in our database.
18:26 cait              that can happen quite easily by accident
18:26 cait              that looked like an order to them?
18:26 cait              and sent a claim instead of an order?
18:26 cait              could it be someone was testing
18:26 * oleonard        doesn't want to live in a future in which we were ordering extra copies of Sarah Palin's biography!!
18:25 cait              lol
18:25 oleonard          Baker & Taylor received an order from us from the future?
18:24 cait              and we can't do that even
18:24 cait              I think emailing ordersis much more common
18:24 jcamins           oleonard: that's my understanding.
18:24 cait              oleonard: but means the vendor also has to support edi
18:24 oleonard          Wouldn't Koha require EDI support to submit an order directly to a vendor? Is that what EDI does?
18:24 jcamins           That is beautiful.
18:23 sekjal            jcamins:  true enough.   though I think this would be more charts and diagrams than code
18:23 oleonard          an example of responsive web design: http://stephencaver.com/ Shink your browser window to see it change
18:23 jcamins           Well, yes, but without actual code, agreeing on things wouldn't actually help much. ;)
18:22 sekjal            we'd have to have a policy in place; no new params within a stable release
18:22 sekjal            but agreeing to it, and policing it, would be a community-wide job
18:22 sekjal            I can identify what we're currently using, and perhaps what could be added/removed
18:21 jcamins           And I think you're just the person to do that!
18:21 huginn            bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 13.1°C (11:20 AM PDT on March 12, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady).
18:21 huginn            bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 13.1°C (11:20 AM PDT on March 12, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady).
18:21 sekjal            then we'd be able to make as many templates as we like
18:21 bag               hmmm
18:21 bag               @wunder 93109
18:21 bag               @wunder 93109
18:21 jcamins           sekjal: agreed.
18:21 sekjal            the big thing I think we need is a consistent set of input and output params on each page
18:20 cait              no only for calims
18:20 cait              hm
18:20 sekjal            jcamins: I've been looking at it, yes
18:20 cait              email
18:19 oleonard          In what world would Koha submit an order directly to Baker & Taylor?
18:19 jcamins           oleonard: wasn't me, because I didn't use Baker and Taylor to ship the fudge. ;)
18:18 sturmtruppen      thanks for the info. very nice
18:18 oleonard          Very strange mystery here. We got a shipment from Baker & Talor which we didn't order. When we asked why they said that our Koha acquisitions module submitted the order!
18:18 mle               http://media.debconf.org/dc7/logo-banner-split1.png
18:18 mle               and ripped off from debconf7
18:18 mle               inkscape and gimp and some allegedly open source font
18:17 sturmtruppen      mle: made with?
18:16 cait              no errors for me
18:16 sturmtruppen      me too
18:16 cait              make a note of the font!
18:16 oleonard          I see the errors at the top of the page but the page loads
18:15 sturmtruppen      very nice
18:15 mle               aww ty
18:15 cait              and it's beautiful!
18:15 mle               cool
18:15 cait              it works for me
18:15 cait              ooh
18:15 mle               maybe because it is over 50kb? image?
18:15 mle               http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/File:Koha-logo12.png
18:15 cait              where?
18:15 cait              oh
18:14 mle               Warning: wfMkdirParents: failed to mkdir "/home/wiki/web/w/images/thumb/archive/20120312180712!Koha-logo12.png" mode 511 in /home/wiki/web/w/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 2179
18:14 mle               I broke the wiki. Warning: mkdir() [function.mkdir]: Permission denied in /home/wiki/web/w/includes/GlobalFunctions.php on line 2176
18:14 mle               I broke the wiki.
18:12 jcamins           sekjal: working on the mobile interface? :)
18:09 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1918 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Minify JavaScript and CSS
18:09 oleonard          Thinking about load times reminds me of Bug 1918
17:45 jenkins_koha      Starting build #652 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 5 j 1 h ago)
17:45 jcamins           sekjal: testing with NYTProf, retrieving a single image only takes a few hundred milliseconds, so it's probably not anything about the database.
17:43 jcamins           Ah. Right. Foreign keys create indexes.
17:42 oleonard          bibliocoverimage_fk1
17:42 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7458' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7f7aeb138b8275448937102cb7a46cf49530aef> / bug_7458: Correct existing existing call numbers retrieval <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b79faad5ba3bfadf31320cf9ba865a1d4fe5fb1> / Bug 7577 follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0115a8f43ea9b9
17:42 jcamins           Hm. You may be right about it not being indexed.
17:41 sekjal            but i manually renamed from bibliocoverimage to biblioimages
17:41 sekjal            jcamins:  it's indexed on mine
17:41 jcamins           sekjal: ooh, did I forget to put an index on that?
17:40 sekjal            oleonard: do you have indexes on biblioimages.biblionumber in your database?
17:39 jcamins           [off] http://lurye.cplibraries.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?&limit=mc-itype,phr:BOOK <-- there's a live server with local covers enabled. oleonard saw 1-3 second download times.
17:39 oleonard          sekjal: http://www.screencast.com/t/W6GJEtAIG
17:38 jcamins           sekjal: oh, you only have two results?
17:38 sekjal            oleonard:  it's all purple on both search results I retrieved
17:36 oleonard          If I'm not mistaken, sekjal, firebug is taking that into account. The grey part of the graph represents the delay caused by waiting for an available connection, the purple represents time spent processing
17:35 sekjal            Windows Host, Ubuntu guest
17:35 jcamins           Hm.
17:35 sekjal            jcamins: VirtualBox, yes
17:35 jcamins           sekjal: are you using VirtualBox or something else?
17:34 sekjal            ?
17:34 sekjal            oleonard: could it be a limit on the number of images downloadable from a single server at once
17:32 oleonard          Hmm... a symptom of a low-resource VM?
17:28 sekjal            oleonard:  yes
17:28 oleonard          sekjal: Are you using Firebug to track the time?
17:28 wizzyrea          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ4Iwoo0Kdo
17:27 jcamins           I had the same issue as oleonard.
17:27 jcamins           That's odd.
17:27 jcamins           I mean, that it's only 630ms.
17:27 jcamins           sekjal: really?
17:27 sekjal            oddly enough, no image found takes just as long as downloading an actual file
17:26 sekjal            oleonard:  getting about 630ms per search result for image retrieval
17:25 sekjal            this test box is wicked clunky..
17:25 sekjal            it wasn't running, because my permissions were wrong in koha-dev
17:25 sekjal            ah ha
17:24 jcamins           sekjal: the solution that I've taken to using when I break my Zebra config is to just rerun make install.
17:24 jcamins           And the Zebra server is running?
17:24 mbalmer           that's not a lot.
17:24 sekjal            not sure why
17:24 sekjal            just won't return any results
17:24 jcamins           sekjal: how so?
17:23 sekjal            ::sigh:: my Zebra search is fried
17:17 sekjal            need to reindex, then I'll try a search
17:17 sekjal            k
17:17 oleonard          It's on the results page that I'm seeing the long delays
17:16 sekjal            details
17:15 oleonard          sekjal are you testing the search results page?
17:15 sekjal            jcamins oleonard:  just tried the local images on my test machine.  it's loading the image twice, at about 530ms each (entirely on localhost)
17:06 * jcamins         has all sorts of projects he'd like to work on like that. ;)
17:04 sekjal            true enough...
17:04 jcamins           sekjal: that'd be great, but I don't see anyone being interested in funding that.
17:03 sekjal            jcamins:  arbitrary biblio relationships!
17:00 jcamins           I'd kind of like to see the see-from references searched (optionally), so possibly that.
17:00 libsysguy         :P
17:00 libsysguy         haha…hmm libsysguy is interested in hourly
16:59 jcamins           libsysguy: I guess it depends what other people are most interested in.
16:59 jcamins           libsysguy: I'm not sure. I have a bunch of enhancements filed in Bugzilla.
16:58 libsysguy         what is the next jcamins project?
16:58 libsysguy         w00t
16:58 jcamins           Pushed.
16:58 libsysguy         P
16:58 jcamins           Yup. :)
16:58 libsysguy         or at least passed
16:58 libsysguy         i thought I saw where that got pushed
16:57 jcamins           You'll be glad to know that I am not going to be bugging you to test 7284.
16:57 libsysguy         hehe
16:57 jcamins           Well, welcome back to fun-ness.
16:57 libsysguy         thanks jcamins
16:57 libsysguy         haha no just a lot of work outside of koha sadly
16:56 jcamins           And, welcome back, libsysguy.
16:56 jcamins           I thought it had been a while. Vacation?
16:55 huginn            jcamins: libsysguy was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 42 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <libsysguy> thanks :)
16:55 jcamins           @seen libsysguy
16:53 jcamins           oleonard: hard to see how, though.
16:53 jcamins           oleonard: I guess it's possible.
16:53 * oleonard        tried loading a single image with a biblionumber URL parameter to make sure it wasn't cached, those loaded fine
16:52 oleonard          jcamins: Could there be some kind of overhead in repeatedly calling the opac-images script which wouldn't be noticeable in a single call?
16:49 mbalmer           it is strange that SIP defines a field CG, fee identifier, but now way to list open fees.  I wonder if I oversee sth, but I doubt not.
16:48 jcamins           That's *really* bizarre. I was going to say "maybe it's an Apache transferring thing, not that there should be any such issue."
16:48 oleonard          If I point my browser to the image URL it doesn't take 5 seconds
16:47 jcamins           When I ran it with NYTProf, it took 300ms.
16:47 jcamins           That's bizarre.
16:47 kf                ouch
16:47 oleonard          I stripped out all the JavaScript and have the template displaying the image (no JS loading), and the load time is still 5 seconds each
16:46 kf                witht he package :)
16:46 jcamins           oleonard: yeah, that's really weird.
16:46 kf                oleonard: stay away from reiveune !
16:46 oleonard          jcamins: I'm still perplexed about the local image load time
16:45 jcamins           :)
16:45 * oleonard        solemnly swears to share
16:44 jcamins           oleonard: you should be receiving a package on Wednesday or Thursday.
16:44 jcamins_away      sturmtruppen: if you don't figure out how ISBD works, I don't think you'll be missing out on much. As I said, I don't think it really has any use at this point.
16:22 reiveune          bye
15:56 mbalmer           extending the protocol was a misnomer.  adding a new message and response would be correct.
15:55 mbalmer           so it should be safe to add extensions all the more as the ACS only responds to the SC messages, it can not break exisitng installs.
15:54 mbalmer           kf, standard does not cover what we need, but standard says "unknown messages must be ignored to be compatible with future extensions"
15:54 huginn            kf: ColinC was last seen in #koha 9 weeks, 5 days, 3 hours, 16 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <ColinC> And look at their technical stuff I found I knew less after I read it
15:54 kf                @seen ColinC
15:53 huginn            oleonard: colin was last seen in #koha 1 year, 9 weeks, 3 days, 17 hours, 51 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Colin> Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd
15:53 oleonard          @seen colin
15:53 kf                mbalmer: extending the format sounds a bit dangerous - perhaps I would go for standard compliant first
15:53 mbalmer           I think I got his email.  at least one to try.
15:53 sekjal            mbalmer:  I don't think so... I don't see his nick
15:52 mbalmer           so is colin campbell hanging around here?
15:51 kf                mbalmer: ptfs europe
15:48 sekjal            mbalmer: colin campbell
15:48 mbalmer           to share infos and code?
15:47 mbalmer           sekjal, do you know the folks at PTFS or any folks I should contact?
15:47 sekjal            it was in the works when I left ByWater... they may have more up to date info
15:47 sturmtruppen      For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webmaster@koha), giving this error message and the time and date of the error
15:47 sturmtruppen      Syck parser (line 300, column -1): syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/YAML/Syck.pm line 76, <$fh> line 1.
15:47 sekjal            mbalmer:  no, I didn't get as far as talking to the 3M people
15:47 sekjal            the bulk of the code was written by PTFS-Europe; I tested it, and added some followup modifications based on my client's feedback
15:46 mbalmer           do you know any folks at 3M?  It looks like I will need to extend the protocol a bit wrt to fee payment.
15:46 sekjal            mbalmer: yes
15:45 mbalmer           sekjal, you seem to have been involved with the fee paid SIP message, correct?
15:45 matthewboh        Thanks so much for the quick answer.
15:45 mbalmer           matthewboh, very easy to run them both on the same port (with different hostnames, of cours)
15:45 sekjal            you can adjust that however you wish, of course
15:44 sekjal            matthewboh:  by default, yes, port :80 for OPAC and port :8080 for staff client
15:44 mbalmer           when I started this, it ws not my intend to hack the SIP server.  But at least, unlike with Sunrise, here it's possible to extend the protocol/server.
15:44 matthewboh        Quick question about Koha install - it used to use different ports for OPAC and Staff interface. Is that still the case?
15:43 kf                check the manual :) is has instructions
15:43 Shane-S           ah okay :P
15:43 schuster          self checkout
15:43 schuster          Shane-S - yes that sounds like what you need.
15:42 kf                Shane-S: web based self check that is
15:42 kf                Shane-S: you could look at the self check
15:42 kf                Shane-S: changing the timeout is not a good idea - it's the same for staff and opac
15:41 Shane-S           is it easy to change the timeout? I want to make a room here where teacher can "checkout" books, and have a kiosk logged in all the time for them to easily scan an ID and checkout all the books/movies they need, would that be hard?
15:38 * mveron          Waves back to mbalmer.
15:38 mveron            Hi #koha
15:38 * mbalmer         waves at mveron
15:37 mbalmer           and lba, sekjal seem to have been involved in the Fee paid support in the SIP server
15:36 mbalmer           a cool self payment machine would list all individual fees a patron has, and let them select which ones to pay now, and which ones to leave open.
15:34 mbalmer           ok, cool, tnx
15:34 oleonard          Lori not very often. sekjal often.
15:34 wizzyrea          ping lba
15:34 wizzyrea          ping sekjal
15:34 mbalmer           does Lori Bowen Ayre or Ian Walls hang out in this channel?
15:26 mbalmer           that will be some fun
15:26 mbalmer           so I need to extend SIP to provide fee detail information and feedback which fees have been paid, which have been canceled etc.
15:21 sturmtruppen      jcamins: thanks for the tip! This is a work for the school where i teach but i want to learn to how koha works!
15:20 * jcamins         leaves for the post office and Manhattan.
15:19 sturmtruppen      because italian opac.sbn.it support unimarc
15:19 jcamins           sturmtruppen: you'll probably have to modify the ISBD syspref if you don't like the way it shows up. As I said, though, I'd recommend simply disabling it since it doesn't really have any use as far as I can tell.
15:19 kf                and where did you download the record from?
15:19 sturmtruppen      unimarc
15:19 kf                did you use marc21 or unimarc?
15:19 kf                oh
15:19 kf                sturmtruppen: perhaps something in your data
15:19 sturmtruppen      oleonard: ?
15:18 oleonard          sturmtruppen: I don't find that to be the case with the default ISBD configuration
15:18 sturmtruppen      "LCCN" display the right isbn
15:17 sturmtruppen      the field: "ISBN" display "Milano" instead of "8840813241"
15:17 jcamins           sturmtruppen: I recommend simply disabling the ISBD view.
15:17 sturmtruppen      after the search, i i choose the label "ISBD"
15:16 kf                ?
15:15 sturmtruppen      how can i see if is it right?
15:15 sturmtruppen      i suppose there is an error in the query
15:15 sturmtruppen      in the athoer label, it's right
15:14 sturmtruppen      in the ISBD format, the ISBN is wrong,
15:14 oleonard          I'm impressed that wahanui knows the exact spelling of "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEs"
15:14 sturmtruppen      another problem for my hero...
15:13 sturmtruppen      solved
15:13 sturmtruppen      permission problem
15:13 mbalmer           the fee paid message has field CG, to identify a specific fee
15:13 kf                congratulations :)
15:13 sturmtruppen      again: yes
15:13 kf                it works?
15:12 sturmtruppen      yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
15:12 sturmtruppen      sorry....
15:12 wahanui           i heard YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEs was the long answer
15:12 sturmtruppen      YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEs
15:12 mbalmer           s/The/Then/
15:12 mbalmer           crap.  The I think I need to extend the protocol and inform 3M of that extension
15:10 wizzyrea          I believe that's right
15:10 mbalmer           hmm, it seem like it is not possible to get fee details via SIP, only the sum of all fees.  Is that so?
15:04 maximep           he would really like feedback from anyone btw
15:04 sturmtruppen      doh'...
15:03 wizzyrea          maximep++ thx
15:03 maximep           http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg02887.html
15:03 sturmtruppen      http://www.galileo.aur.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=104
15:03 maximep           pretty sure marc boivin from libeo talked about it on the ML
15:03 wizzyrea          what's the URL again?
15:02 maximep           wizzyrea: css + 2 lines in the header
14:57 sturmtruppen      :)
14:57 sturmtruppen      i'm suer i'll write here agian fo my failure in it...
14:57 sturmtruppen      ok, i'll try.
14:57 kf                make your koha user the owner of the zebra files
14:57 kf                yeah permissions again
14:55 sturmtruppen      my suppose was right, as you suggest, kf
14:55 sturmtruppen      zebraidx(23158) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/home/koha/koha-dev/var/lock/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]
14:55 wizzyrea          if you're about.
14:55 wizzyrea          maximep - did you say your mobile solution was CSS only?
14:54 sturmtruppen      how can i see who is the user of zebra?
14:54 kf                what is your current problem sturmtruppen?
14:53 sturmtruppen      nothing for me?
14:52 kf                wizzyrea: perhaps we need a configuration option
14:52 kf                wizzyrea: I think we should not change it back
14:49 * jcamins         hums Fiddler on the Roof.
14:48 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7619 blocker, P2, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , 3M self checkout don't work in France
14:48 wizzyrea          bug 7619
14:47 mbalmer           but it's nice to test SIP against it.
14:47 mbalmer           yes.
14:47 jcamins           mbalmer: better rename it to Sunset.
14:46 mbalmer           crap, Sunrise does not respond to a SIP login message, but closes the connection
14:46 francharb         ;)
14:46 francharb         jcamins++
14:46 francharb         paul_p++
14:46 francharb         paul_++
14:46 francharb         \0/
14:46 jcamins           francharb: paul_p tested it on UNIMARC, so it's okay. :)
14:46 mbalmer           NEITHERNORMARC
14:46 francharb         I should have done it weeks ago
14:45 kf                NORMARC
14:45 francharb         by the way, jcamins, I still have in mind that you ask me to test your patch
14:45 kf                CANMARC
14:45 jcamins           Don't forget RUSMARC.
14:45 kf                mbalmer: you know, that would be really realyl scary
14:45 jcamins           francharb: it's okay, paul_p is going to send me the UNIMARC data from the sandbox later. :)
14:44 francharb         jcamins, i'm here but not available
14:44 paul_p            ok, meeting time, will be back soon !
14:44 mbalmer           USMARC, UNIMARC, MARC21, MARCBALMER, and MARCVERON
14:44 * paul_p          wanted to put it on contrib.git repo, but can't do it for now.
14:43 paul_p            kf really ? the company is called "MARCs rule the world" ? :D
14:43 kf                paul_p: please send it to me too or put it up for download somehwere?
14:43 kf                veron
14:43 kf                oops
14:43 jcamins           paul_p: yes please!
14:43 kf                paul_p: marc version works with mbalmer :)
14:42 paul_p            jcamins = I can send you the database I use on the sandbox.
14:42 jcamins           unimarc data is http://git.biblibre.com/?p=data;a=tree;f=sql/unimarc
14:42 kf                oh nice!
14:42 sturmtruppen      how can i verify mi idea?
14:42 paul_p            kf fortunately, our neibourgh is a NPO, that has a lot of place, and we will have a room here !
14:42 jcamins           unimarc data?
14:42 jcamins           (for testing)
14:42 sturmtruppen      kf... i suppose the problem is the user that own zebra.
14:42 jcamins           paul_p: since you're here, do you have more UNIMARC records?
14:42 mbalmer           should I bring my friends ? ;)
14:42 kf                paul_p: were you able to get another room? :)
14:41 paul_p            kf yep ;-)
14:41 wizzyrea          holy smokes
14:41 kf                35?
14:41 paul_p            a new french librarian coming to the hackfest...
14:41 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7590 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Cataloging authorities search result page is broken
14:41 jcamins           I will not be signing off on bug 7590. I can't figure out how to reproduce it.
14:38 oleonard          Yes, that's datatables wizzyrea
14:37 jcamins           francharb: around?
14:36 wizzyrea          this is what I mean
14:36 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/5ihsYvNQ
14:36 wizzyrea          it is super cool
14:36 wizzyrea          is that the datatables stufF?
14:36 wizzyrea          hi kf
14:35 kf                hi wizzyrea :)
14:35 wizzyrea          and even if you have one that is in both, if you set that filter it doesn't work
14:35 wizzyrea          it's coming across as "CPLMPL"
14:35 wizzyrea          question though, the libraries filter
14:34 wizzyrea          Is neat.
14:34 wizzyrea          I like that.
14:34 wizzyrea          oo, the filtering on holds to pull
14:32 * magnuse         waves back too
14:32 * jcamins         waves back.
14:28 * wizzyrea        waves
14:24 kf                oleonard: yep
14:23 oleonard          jcamins: Besides the QR code I just see stuff that could have been changed using CSS
14:23 sturmtruppen      wait... i till have to start zebra....
14:23 kf                sturmtruppen: yay :)
14:22 sturmtruppen      he says ok
14:22 sturmtruppen      i just run the web installer
14:20 jcamins           How as in "what did they change?" not as in "what technique did they use."
14:18 jcamins           oleonard: how did they customize the template, though? It looks entirely vanilla.
14:18 magnuse           koha needs more <font>s - we all do!
14:17 magnuse           woohoo!
14:17 magnuse           yeah and i forgot i have a barcode reader on my mobile too :-)
14:17 oleonard          Customized templates... I see a <FONT> :P
14:17 * kf              was too slow
14:17 kf                it's a link
14:17 kf                yep
14:17 oleonard          ...to that same page :|
14:16 jcamins           It's a link to the OPAC.
14:16 kf                i can try
14:16 jcamins           magnuse: I shall photograph my screen and find out.
14:16 jcamins           magnuse: no idea.
14:15 magnuse           s/+/?/
14:15 magnuse           what happens if you read the code? are you taken to that page in the opac? or something else+
14:14 magnuse           ah, thanks - i deleted the email...
14:13 jcamins           http://www.galileo.aur.it/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=104
14:13 wahanui           magnuse: I forgot link
14:13 magnuse           wahanui: forget link
14:13 wahanui           i heard link was wrong.
14:13 magnuse           link?
14:13 jcamins           Ah, interesting.
14:13 kf                last tab
14:13 kf                items
14:12 magnuse           where?
14:11 kf                they have qr codes
14:11 magnuse           "we changed how it looks"? :-)
14:11 kf                but
14:11 kf                perhaps that :)
14:11 jcamins           As far as I can tell, ther OPAC is almost completely standard.
14:11 kf                it looks like css mostly
14:11 jcamins           Does anyone have any idea what Paolo means by "the graphical aspect of the Koha OPAC has been reshaped"?
14:08 sturmtruppen      ok. i move on
14:08 kf                failing the test, ignore it
14:08 sturmtruppen      make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
14:08 sturmtruppen      Failed 1/89 test programs. 0/7498 subtests failed.
14:08 sturmtruppen      but the "make test" tell me Result: FAIL
14:07 sturmtruppen      all ok?
14:07 kf                sturmtruppen: all ok then :)
14:07 jcamins_away      kf: it can be.
14:06 kf                jcamins_away: thought you might now if that is something that can be safely ignored
14:05 Shane-S           poop! I wanted SQL to make a Dynamic Title for a report...but alas you can not CONCAT in an AS statement *cries*
14:02 jcamins_away      oleonard++
14:02 jcamins_away      kf: if you're referring to the Heading_MARC21.t test, I have a bug, and a patch.
14:01 jcamins_away      kf: yes.
13:58 Oak               ah cool. thanks.
13:58 oleonard          But I haven't tried it
13:58 oleonard          Oak: This was announced the other day: https://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivedvd/
13:56 Oak               uh oh, electricity will go in few minutes...
13:55 Oak               guys, you know any good Koha Live cd? I mean the link?
13:49 sturmtruppen      sorry, wrong monitor
13:48 sturmtruppen      locate mysql_config
13:48 sturmtruppen      dev installation, and following the instructions in INSTALL.debian
13:44 sturmtruppen      git
13:44 kf                jcamins_away: around?
13:44 kf                which version?
13:44 kf                hmm
13:43 sturmtruppen      make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
13:43 sturmtruppen      Failed 1/89 test programs. 0/7498 subtests failed.
13:43 sturmtruppen      Result: FAIL
13:43 sturmtruppen      Files=89, Tests=7498, 99 wallclock secs ( 4.30 usr  1.74 sys + 61.61 cusr 11.99 csys = 79.64 CPU)
13:43 sturmtruppen      Parse errors: Bad plan.  You planned 3 tests but ran 1.
13:43 sturmtruppen      Non-zero exit status: 255
13:43 sturmtruppen      t/Heading_MARC21.t                (Wstat: 65280 Tests: 1 Failed: 0)
13:43 sturmtruppen      -------------------
13:43 sturmtruppen      Test Summary Report
13:42 sturmtruppen      not make test or make install
13:41 sturmtruppen      but i run only make
13:41 kf                before running the webinstaller
13:41 kf                you can't have tables
13:41 kf                yes
13:40 sturmtruppen      is this the same kind of error?
13:40 sturmtruppen      DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha.marc_subfield_structure' doesn't exist at /home/koha/kohaclone/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Heading/UNIMARC.pm line 69.
13:39 sturmtruppen      oh,...
13:39 sturmtruppen      yes
13:39 kf                because you don't have a populated database
13:39 kf                running the db dependent test suite will fail
13:39 kf                ah
13:39 sturmtruppen      this is one part... make test fails!
13:39 kf                have you run the webinstaller?
13:38 sturmtruppen      now my problem is DBD::mysql::db selectrow_array failed: Table 'koha.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /home/koha/kohaclone/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 542.
13:38 kf                new problem?
13:37 sturmtruppen      i changed my problem...
13:37 sturmtruppen      hi kf
13:37 kf                hi sturmtruppen
13:37 kf                the italian library has qr codes
13:37 kf                hmm
13:37 sturmtruppen      hi #koha
13:02 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7703 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Don't block bulk hold action on search results if some items can't be placed on hold
13:02 oleonard          Bug 7703: New bug report, old pet peeve.
12:36 magnuse           yeah jcamins++
12:34 oleonard          jcamins_away was a bug-testing machine this weekend.
12:24 paul_p            good morning oleonard & jcamins_away
12:20 kf                ah cool
12:20 mbalmer           we will have a booth as "Koha Support Schweiz"
12:19 kf                I think someone from BSZ will probably be there
12:18 mbalmer           kf, yes
12:18 kf                next week... this time!
12:18 kf                morning oleonard :)
12:18 oleonard          Hi #koha
12:17 kf                will you be there?
12:16 kf                hm leaving for a presentation near berlin on 14th
12:15 mbalmer           12.-15. Sept. yes, in the Konzil
12:12 kf                do you have a date?
12:12 kf                I think it's at the Konzil?
12:12 kf                mbalmer: hm I don't hink I will
12:08 mbalmer           kf, will you be at the swiss BIS conference in Konstanz?
12:04 sekjal            time to head to work.  cheers, #koha
12:01 * jcamins         heads over to the new apartment to meet the contractors.
11:58 jcamins           I should adjust my watch before I go out today.
11:58 jcamins           sekjal: oh yeah.
11:57 sekjal            jcamins:  could be the time-shift
11:56 jcamins           Hrm. Doesn't oleonard usually show up on #koha around now?
11:56 * magnuse         waves
11:54 jcamins           Good morning.
11:54 jcamins           (which is for 3.2)
11:54 kf                and good morning jared :)
11:54 jcamins           kf_lunch: yeah, this question was inspired by the patch I just failed.
11:53 kf_lunch          so 3.2 probably
11:53 kf_lunch          itseems they also use the old editor for systempreferences
11:53 mbalmer           bastards ;)
11:53 kf_lunch          yeah
11:53 kf_lunch          SearchGlobalBranch.
11:52 kf_lunch          Koha:IndependantSuggestions
11:52 mbalmer           oh.
11:52 jcamins           mbalmer: their FAQ discusses sysprefs that don't exist.
11:50 mbalmer           what they do seems perfectly fine to me.
11:50 mbalmer           http://www.prosentient.com.au/index.php/intersearch-koha
11:49 mbalmer           ;)
11:49 mbalmer           then they are in violation of the license and must be sued….
11:48 jcamins           They don't appear to.
11:48 mtj               afaik... no
11:48 mbalmer           do they make the source code available?
11:48 sekjal            that's believable
11:47 jcamins           sekjal: they seem to have forked Koha 3.2?
11:47 sekjal            but I could be wrong; I'm not fully educated on the details
11:47 sekjal            my understanding is that they have a fork of Koha they're offering, but they're not being clear that it's a fork
11:46 sekjal            jcamins:  Australian company, I believe
11:46 jcamins           Does anyone know who Prosentient is?
11:44 mbalmer           774 lines of code ;)
11:44 mbalmer           swig is a generator
11:43 jcamins           There's another option called SWIG, apparently.
11:43 mtj               http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XS_(Perl)
11:43 jcamins           eXternal Subroutine.
11:43 jcamins           I have no idea what XS stands for, but it seems to be pretty consistent.
11:42 mbalmer           What does XS stand for?
11:42 jcamins           At least, that's my understanding.
11:42 jcamins           Right.
11:42 mbalmer           Blafoo_XS ?
11:42 mbalmer           A Perl module written in C, I mean
11:42 jcamins           Pretty common. You just append _XS to the package name.
11:41 sekjal            I don't think that it's unheard of
11:41 mbalmer           like is done all the time in the Lua community
11:41 sekjal            mbalmer:  I don't know
11:41 mbalmer           is it common in perl to use libraries written in C?  i.e. to interface C stuff from Perl?
11:40 jcamins           However, it is an intriguing idea. :)
11:40 sekjal            morning, jcamins!
11:40 jcamins           Good morning, #koha.
11:40 jcamins_away      Well, maybe not.
11:40 * jcamins_away    was just thinking what he really wanted was a Koha ad-hoc lending network. :P
11:39 sekjal            a Perl library for SIP clientry would also allow us to create easy Koha ad-hoc lending networks.
11:38 mbalmer           well, my client is written in C (robust/fast) and I have a Lua binding.
11:37 mbalmer           For now, I just check if the remote end closed the connection, and if so, I reconnect
11:37 sekjal            what I'd like is a clean set of Perl scripts to act as a SIP client, so I can create a web front end for testing and using a SIP connection to Koha
11:36 sekjal            there are still some areas of the SIP2 Spec that aren't fully implemented yet, and better exception/error handling would be welcome, but yes, it works pretty well
11:35 mbalmer           I managed to connect our POS system to Koha (to pay fees etc.), it is surprisingly stable (unless you send illegal messages)
11:34 mbalmer           ok, I see.
11:34 sekjal            I worked with it a bit when I was with ByWater, but not since
11:34 sekjal            mbalmer:  not anymore
11:33 juan_sieira       thank Claire
11:33 mbalmer           sekjal, are you using SIP?
11:32 clrh              juan_sieira: good news for hackfest :)
11:17 mbalmer           codifying the while SIP standard is boring.
11:08 mbalmer           having a SIP client library surely helps
11:07 sekjal            mbalmer:  yes please!
11:07 mbalmer           I guess it needs some love during the hackfest
11:07 mbalmer           our SIP server is not very robust.  You send it an illegal message (I did on purpose) and it goes down the abyss.
11:01 sekjal            ah ha!
11:01 paul_p            sekjal just 12:00 here !
11:00 sekjal            (or afternoon... not sure now, since we just time-shifted here in the US)
11:00 sekjal            (and good morning to you, as well)
11:00 sekjal            not only the new job, but also a conference in Washington DC
11:00 paul_p            (good morning)
11:00 sekjal            very much so, but circumstances prevent
10:59 paul_p            sekjal you want to come ? ;-)
10:59 paul_p            sekjal yep
10:59 sekjal            paul_p:  just to confirm, hackfest is next week?
10:54 paul_p            wow... good lunch kf_lunch
10:54 kf                and had no breakfast
10:54 kf                talking about food... time for lunch here
10:54 kf                ;)
10:53 paul_p            kf you'll also enjoy the "french cheese" lunch & the lebanon lunch I hope ;-)
10:49 * mbalmer         is happy
10:49 mbalmer           my SIP C client now is really decoding anything.
10:48 kf                you kept the susi and pizza - I am happy
10:48 paul_p            now it's 2012 ;-)
10:48 paul_p            kf = it was last year menu !
10:47 kf                paul_p: you changed the menu :)
10:47 kf                that I want to look at / work on
10:46 kf                I want to compile a list of things... bugs and patches... hopefully before next week
10:46 kf                I think I will see how things work out when there
10:44 paul_p            (if you want to)
10:44 paul_p            kf I think we will have a lot of ppl for testing/sign-offing. So you can go to the "ergonomy" group for all the week imo.
10:42 mtj               mle: my logo is here... -> http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=misc/.git;a=commit;h=1db39909af70c03a2e8998d5ddec02d4cd28e674
10:42 kf                oh
10:41 paul_p            kf yes, i'm very happy... I hope so, that's why we're looking for an alternate room now.
10:40 kf                but hope not too crowded to get work done
10:40 kf                which is good
10:40 kf                paul_p: wow - getting more every day
10:40 paul_p            kf one more coming to the hackfest ( juan_sieira ). We will be 34 (and will try to find a solution to have everybody sitted...)
10:37 * mle             cant type this morning
10:34 * sekjal          follows mle, only to his own kitchen
10:33 kf                ?
10:33 mle               ahem
10:33 * mle             goes for more coffee
10:33 mle               kf. ; )
10:33 mle               ack!
10:33 mle               i got it ky. ; )
10:33 kf                can't find the chat protocol with the link
10:33 kf                sorry mle
10:31 mle               tyvm for looking
10:30 mtj               not the orig. one
10:30 mtj               meh, i can only find my vector-from-bitmap version of the logo
10:30 mle               tyvm
10:29 kf                http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=misc/interface_customization;h=eb21da4676b03c8e21780e36fd74bf4982ebacbd;hb=497e0054b7ac958ca2e70de7a12148671fa1dddd
10:29 mle               not yet. first font finder failed
10:29 kf                mle: have you checked misc/interface_customization
10:24 mtj               wow, i have so many dirs of backup svg files on my lappy
10:23 mle               tyvm
10:23 mtj               yep, its a pretty generic-ish font :)
10:22 kf                not sure... where in the logs... you might want to search around some
10:22 kf                and we found one that was similar enough
10:22 kf                which helps you find fonts
10:22 kf                there is a website
10:22 kf                mle: I think it's in the logs
10:22 mle               well thats easy then - i get to choose ; )
10:22 mle               : ) even
10:21 mle               i asked he a while ago too. : 0
10:21 mle               hehe
10:21 mtj               i asked rach from katipo, she couldn't remember :)
10:21 mtj               ive always been curious, myself
10:20 mtj               hmm, pass!
10:16 mle               mtj what is the font?
10:13 kf                mtj++ :)
10:11 mtj               i'll take a quick look :)
10:11 mtj               the catch is - it's probably traced from a hi-res gif
10:10 mtj               mle:  i have a koha vector files about somewhere....
09:56 mle               ty
09:54 kf                I think someone did an svg
09:54 kf                mle: I think perhaps ask mtj
09:53 mle               so still no joy with finding original koha logo art.  I have the jpg. but was hoping for vector art to hack on. last call.
09:24 mbalmer           ok, my SIP client decodes all fields, regardless of their order
08:55 mle               : )
08:54 kf                but htx for offering mle! mle++
08:54 kf                not exactly what I did :)
08:54 rangi             hmmm
08:54 mle               kf has reminded me, if there is anythign I can do here to help your planning let me know and I will see what I can do.
08:53 kf                magnus_away: say hi to the little enger baby from us :)
08:46 mle               : )
08:46 rangi             ohhh
08:46 magnuse           and now i gotta run - we're going to do an ultrasound! :-)
08:46 magnuse           yup
08:46 mle               is it your first baby?
08:45 magnuse           nope
08:44 mle               yes not a great time to be away!
08:44 magnuse           mle: long story short: we're having a baby that is due June 26. ;-)
08:43 wahanui           i heard magnuse was afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
08:43 mle               magnuse?
08:43 mle               are you busy during Kohacon12?
08:43 magnuse           :-)
08:43 rangi             sorry magnuse
08:42 * magnuse         tries telling himself over and over again "there is no such thing as kohacon12"
08:42 rangi             hmm not sure, it might be, its certainly a good price
08:42 mle               Is it worth trying to get a group booking for that hotel?
08:41 rangi             tea coffee and shortcake .. im sold :)
08:40 rangi             oh
08:40 mle               Cairn hotel just North of Calton hill.  Wonderful place. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Calton_Hill
08:37 kf                ah cool
08:37 mle               hackfest same venue.
08:37 mle               number 5 even
08:37 kf                how far from hackfest?
08:37 mle               yes the number, caught that yesterday
08:37 rangi             or you can catch the number5 bus apparently
08:36 rangi             *nod*
08:36 mle               22 minute walk from Teviot/Bristow Sq - Kohacon
08:36 rangi             i dont plan to do much more than sleep in it :)
08:36 rangi             safe and clean .. thats all i care about
08:35 rangi             ohh cool
08:35 mle               mixed reviews.  only 5 minutes from my new flat. not bad location. i can check it out this week
08:35 mle               http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g186525-d192452-Reviews-Cairn_Hotel-Edinburgh_Scotland.html
08:31 rangi             it seems not bad, and is only a short bus ride away
08:31 * mle             googles
08:31 mle               hey kf
08:31 mle               nothing off the top of my head rangi
08:31 kf                hi mle :)
08:30 rangi             what if anything do you know about Cairn Edinburgh Hotel?
08:30 mle               : )
08:30 mle               hey rangi
08:30 rangi             just the person :)
08:30 rangi             hi mle
08:29 kf                asaurat: I trust you to stop him
08:29 kf                lol
08:24 asaurat           loll
08:24 wahanui           reiveune ate them all
08:24 rangi             chocolate?
08:24 reiveune          others may be lost during transport :)
08:24 reiveune          I see only one
08:23 asaurat           haha
08:23 rangi             hi clrh
08:23 rangi             its in the public log there are 3 bags.... :-)
08:22 clrh              hello
08:22 asaurat           ok, I won't tell anything ;)
08:22 reiveune          asaurat: do not denounce myself immediately please
08:21 rangi             heh
08:21 asaurat           what's full ? the bag or your stomach ? :D
08:20 reiveune          full... for the moment
08:19 kf                reiveune: what is the chocolate status?
08:19 kf                hi again #koha
08:18 rangi             well that mail makes zero sense
08:10 paul_p            kf++ (for more 7001 testings)
08:08 gaetan_B          good morning !
08:05 wahanui           privet, francharb
08:05 francharb         hello
08:05 mbalmer           I will have to leave on the 11th already
08:04 rangi             yup
08:04 mbalmer           rangi, speaking about kohacon?
08:01 * rangi           has his flights sorted, arrive the 4th, leave on 13th, just hotel to sort out now
08:01 rangi             slef: about?
07:54 sophie_m          hi #koha
07:53 reiveune          bye :)
07:53 cait              bbiab
07:53 cait              time for work
07:53 cait              ok
07:53 cait              reiveune: want to fight over chocolate? you are going to loose! heh
07:53 * magnuse         shudders at the thought of the wrath of cait
07:52 reiveune          me too :-p
07:52 cait              reiveune: no lie, I can!
07:51 reiveune          cait: ;-)
07:50 cait              paul_p: will try to check again later
07:50 paul_p            (maybe show it in bold ;-)
07:50 cait              reiveune: you better not - I can get really mean!
07:50 paul_p            default config, login with test/test, superlibrarian, 1 biblio with 10 items (barcode 1 to 10)
07:50 paul_p            cait = [edit] marc21 tiny dataset (1)
07:49 reiveune          paul_p: I have yet one week to try to eat them
07:49 magnuse           rangi: way to go! ;-)
07:49 magnuse           paul_p: yay!
07:49 cait              it states that passwords logins will be different for each
07:49 cait              paul_p: I didn't find it
07:49 paul_p            the good news being that we succedeed to prevent reiveune from eating all of them immediatly ;-)
07:48 paul_p            magnuse on, so everything is OK ;-)
07:48 magnuse           paul_p: yup: 3 bags
07:48 rangi             google ... you're doing it wrong
07:48 rangi             screw you and your patches!
07:47 rangi             https://plus.google.com/113026104107031516488/posts/ZRdtjTL1MpM  <--- thats how you run an opensource project
07:47 paul_p            magnuse well, I think it has been open, because it was in a very bad state. Do you confirm there were 3 inside ?
07:46 magnuse           paul_p: good to hear it arrived, i was a bit afraid it might get eaten in customs... :-)
07:45 magnuse           :-)
07:45 reiveune          hi magnuse cait and everybody
07:45 paul_p            and thanks for your gift we recieved on friday
07:45 paul_p            hi magnuse !
07:45 magnuse           bonjour reiveune and paul_p
07:45 paul_p            the login is test/test, it should be written on the wiki page
07:44 paul_p            cait, just seen your later talk.
07:44 cait              good morning paul_p
07:44 paul_p            good morning #koha
07:44 reiveune          hello
07:37 magnuse           Oak
07:36 Oak               magnuse
07:31 mbalmer           plan for today: finish my SIP library and make the Lua binding.
07:30 alex_a            bonjour magnuse
07:30 magnuse           hiya alex_a and mbalmer
07:30 magnuse           it's mostly the same too, but marc21 hsa some more fields
07:30 mbalmer           kohaistas!
07:30 magnuse           cait: probably a good idea
07:26 cait              and just made it work like for marc21
07:26 cait              I trusted jared
07:26 cait              nope
07:26 magnuse           cait: still wondering about 773 and normarc?
07:25 magnuse           guten morgen cait
07:24 cait              morning magnuse
07:23 magnuse           kia ora #koha!
06:29 eythian           and assuming I was looking at the right record, it's pretty boring.
06:29 eythian           no, the XML itself is valid.
06:27 cait              invalid xml?
06:24 eythian           that's good to know.
06:24 eythian           hmm, that error seems to only occur if you use marcxml, usmarc works OK.
06:01 cait              oh ouch
05:59 eythian           So I have zebra saying: "18:54:42-12/03 zebraidx(12254) d016f9b5 [warn] d1: 1: Malformed tag" and bailing out. Anyone know how to deal with that?
05:47 cait              heh, ok
05:47 Oak               yes you are, if you don't have a headache :)
05:46 cait              am I allowed to be awake now? ;)
05:46 cait              hi Oak :)
05:46 Oak               kia ora #koha
05:46 Oak               hello miss cait.
05:44 cait              hi eythian :)
05:44 eythian           hi cait
05:44 cait              goog morning #koha
05:15 eythian           (their actual item counts are pretty small though.)
05:14 eythian           so one of the smaller libraries I'm converting has one of the largest biblio collections I've dealt with. It's quite strange.
03:55 Space_Librarian   good evening all you crazy kids - see ya'll tomorrow. :)
03:30 Amit_Gupta        heya bag
03:30 * mtj             sprinkles pixie-dust under jcamins pillow...
03:29 jcamins_away      Good night.
03:29 jcamins_away      Right, bed time
03:29 mtj               ah, cheers! :)
03:29 jcamins_away      ^^ like that
03:29 mtj               ah, thats the new way.. ok :)
03:28 huginn            jcamins_away: Quote #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} - without the typo" (added by cait at 07:30 PM, May 20, 2011)
03:28 jcamins_away      @quote get 135
03:28 huginn            jcamins_away: 2 found: #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} -..." and #82: "<pianohack> nengard: If you were using a..."
03:28 jcamins_away      @quote search typo
03:28 huginn            jcamins_away: No matching quotes were found.
03:28 jcamins_away      @quote search variable
03:28 huginn            jcamins_away: No matching quotes were found.
03:28 jcamins_away      @quote search template
03:28 jcamins_away      I think it's like this, though: $template->{VARS}->{'zzzzz'} = 'aaaaa';
03:28 jcamins_away      What I just described.
03:28 mtj               hmm, wot is that?
03:27 jcamins_away      mtj: did you switch to the new variable assignment method?
03:27 mtj               ah, ok - i was looking for that , but could'nt find an example :/
03:27 jcamins_away      mtj: really? It should just be a hash.
03:27 jcamins_away      In the template [% zzzzz %]
03:27 mtj               sheesh, even a warn seems to undef the variable :/
03:26 jcamins_away      my $foo = $template->{VARS}->{'zzzzz'}
03:26 jcamins_away      In Perl?
03:26 mtj               but, how do you get the result of variable  $template->param( 'zzzzzzzzz' ) ?
03:26 jcamins_away      I think it's like this, though: $template->{VARS}->{'zzzzz'} = 'aaaaa';
03:25 jcamins_away      Okay, I can't find the quote.
03:25 huginn            jcamins_away: I suck
03:25 jcamins_away      @quote more
03:25 jcamins_away      mtj: no, that's now how we set them anymore.
03:25 mtj               $template->param( 'zzzzzzzzz' => 'aaaaaaaaaaaaa');
03:25 huginn            jcamins_away: 23 found: #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current...", #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed...", #119: "<wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blaine...", #122: "<member:oleonard>Everyone is doin' the hot new...", #127: "Oracle now has little choice but to abandon its...", #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little...", #143: "rhcl: Blame the C coders; if (3 more messages)
03:25 jcamins_away      @quote search tt
03:25 mtj               so, heres how you set a template variable... pretty easy..
03:24 mtj               man, i have a really stupid template question, but here goes.....
03:10 ibeardslee        oh right .. sorted then
03:09 eythian           it's easy, if you can look out your window and see the Eiffel tower, you're in France.
03:07 * ibeardslee      checks
03:06 eythian           unless you're in france
03:06 eythian           ibeardslee: marc21
03:06 ibeardslee        fresh install .. marc21 or unimarc?
02:46 mtj               (there are plans to upgrade the 3.4 real-soon, i'm just going for a quick-fix here)
02:45 mtj               my 3.4 problem is def. related to that bug
02:45 rangi             (it currently wont be pushed either until its fixed)
02:44 mtj               ha, yeah good point... :/
02:44 rangi             so cant be what fixed it for 3.6
02:44 mtj               and many s/OPACBaseurl/OPACBaseURL/ typos in templete
02:44 rangi             thats never been pushed tho
02:43 mtj               'OPACBaseURL' not getting sent thru to ./opac-opensearch.tt correctly
02:43 huginn            04Bug 7307: normal, P3, ---, adrien.saurat, Failed QA , OPACBaseURL not used in opac-search.pl
02:43 mtj               http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7307
02:43 mtj               jcamins_away:  fyi  - looks like this was the bug....
02:15 rangi             and running 3.6.2
02:15 rangi             all self done too :)
02:14 rangi             http://41.139.158.198/ another kenyan library goes live with Koha
02:01 Space_Librarian   jcamins_away - yay for good fudge!
02:00 mtj               ok, a bug search didnt come up with anything obvious.. :/
01:59 jcamins_away      I don't remember anything about it, though.
01:59 jcamins_away      mtj: yes, I do.
01:58 mtj               looks to be busted on 3.4, but fixed on 3.6... ?!?
01:58 mtj               meh, anyone recall a weird RSS bug in Koha, where the base_url was not added to the RSS feeds?
01:57 jcamins_away      Yay!
01:57 jcamins_away      (and I found perfectly good fudge underneath)
01:57 jcamins_away      Space_Librarian: interestingly, the seized-up part of the fudge separated from the rest after I'd let it sit for a half hour, and I was able to peel it off.
01:55 * Space_Librarian tries that
01:55 Space_Librarian   orly...
01:55 jcamins_away      (that's to deal with FF having buggy XHTML handling)
01:55 jcamins_away      $('.no-image').html('&nbsp;');
01:55 jcamins_away      Wait, that won't work.
01:55 jcamins_away      $('.no-image').html('');
01:54 jcamins_away      Worst-case scenario, use jquery.
01:53 jcamins_away      I don't remember how I did that, though.
01:52 Space_Librarian   jcamins_away: that's my thought. I need to find it to do something about it
01:52 jcamins_away      Space_Librarian: I think you might need to do something so the text doesn't show up.
01:52 rangi             could be, i didnt do the css
01:51 Space_Librarian   rangi: is the no image text embedded in the css for our opac?
01:51 Space_Librarian   ah-ha!
01:50 Space_Librarian   delves, even
01:49 * Space_Librarian devkes into the css
01:48 jcamins_away      .no-image { width: 50px; height: 80px; }
01:48 jcamins_away      That's in the CSS.
01:48 jcamins_away      Space_Librarian: you need to change the size as well.
01:47 Space_Librarian   So, I've used jcamins_away excellent script to do something about the bookplates, and I'm getting this. http://screencast.com/t/jP4ZlI47 What have I missed?! That is a wee section of the logo in the background, but I can't for the life of me fins what's going wrong.
00:30 cjh               cait: thanks for that and good night :)
00:30 Space_Librarian   :)
00:30 Space_Librarian   night cait
00:30 cait              and now :) good night #koha
00:30 cait              cjh: it detects the XXX and will update, so you only have to make a little cange in kohaversion - quite easy
00:29 Space_Librarian   what? where my response?
00:29 Space_Librarian   I love the bot
00:29 Space_Librarian   hehehe.
00:29 cait              yep
00:27 cjh               really? hmm
00:27 cjh               sorry havent read the comments yet
00:27 cait              cjh: it will work :)
00:27 cait              cjh: just put in XXX and increase kohaversion by 1
00:27 cait              cjh: that's what I was trying to explain in one of the comments
00:26 cait              cjh: you don't need a numbe for local testing :)
00:26 cjh               jcamins_away: oops sorry, i often have a number in their for local testing and then forget to remove before making a patch *facepalm*
00:21 cait              and now I made a typo and really screwed up
00:21 rangi             git am --abort maybe
00:21 cait              *sigh*
00:21 cait              git am
00:20 rangi             halfway through a rebase, or halfway through an apply already?
00:20 cait              Dirty index: cannot apply patches..??
00:19 cait              that's not good
00:18 jcamins           Good night, #koha.
00:18 jcamins           And you to go to sleep.
00:18 jcamins           Time for me to eat dinner, though.
00:18 jcamins           Not sure.
00:18 cait              but git status will not show the changed files?
00:18 cait              why would my git diff show changes
00:18 cait              ok
00:15 eythian           *phew*
00:14 mtj               eythian: pssttt,  your elbonia scoop is safe with me ;)
00:13 cait              conspiracy
00:13 jcamins           See? Everyone agrees.
00:12 Oak               go to sleep.
00:11 Oak               :)
00:11 cait              lol
00:11 Oak               no sleep cait ?
00:09 jcamins           Whoops.
00:09 cait              *sigh*
00:09 cait              ( {... ) }...
00:09 cait              but looks good - I made a mistake
00:08 cait              tsting
00:08 jcamins           cait: did that work?
00:00 mtj               thx rangi  :)