Time  Nick              Message
23:58 rangi             http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-03-11#i_916523
23:58 wahanui           jcamins: that doesn't look right
23:58 jcamins           Change the |...| to {...}
23:58 jcamins           Oh.
23:58 jcamins           Should be RoutingList not RoutlingList.
23:58 jcamins           Also, there's a typo.
23:57 cait              still does not work!
23:57 cait              I did
23:56 cait              lol
23:56 pastebot          "jcamins" at pasted "cait: change it like so and go to sleep!" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/308
23:56 eythian           yep, I'll never tell anyone that the Library of Elbonia is switching to Unicorn
23:56 mtj               bah, monday brain :/
23:55 * BobB            humbly apologises
23:54 * cait            forgot it already
23:54 BobB              Thanks Chris.
23:54 BobB              So I just announced it.  Bugger.
23:54 jcamins           rangi: yeah, you'd better.
23:54 cait              BobB: congrats :)
23:53 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7557 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference
23:53 jcamins           bug 7557
23:53 rangi             w00t!!!
23:52 mtj               we need to sort out a plan for the eesi stuff...
23:52 mtj               yep, sure do
23:51 BobB              Do you have a couple of minutes?
23:51 BobB              mtj I've a couple of things to mention.
23:50 BobB              Tokyo and Yokohama have 35 million people - more than Au plus NZ combined.
23:50 BobB              I've heard about the indoor surf but didn't come across it.  Nothing they do would surprise me.  The place is awesome.
23:49 mtj               yep, all good over here
23:49 mtj               indoor snow and surf
23:49 mtj               i have heard about the indoor snow places in japan
23:49 BobB              How are you, OK?
23:48 BobB              Only one day on the snow unfortunately.  We were going to have more but the weather caved in.  But it was great nonetheless.  We have nothing like it in Oz.
23:47 BobB              We went to Happo One - one big mountain with lots of steeps.  I was so proud of Irma - she cruised it!
23:46 BobB              Yes, we went up to see friends who live in Tokyo.  So we also went out to Hakuba and had a ski.  It was great.
23:46 mtj               just a holiday?
23:46 mtj               what was the occasion?
23:46 mtj               wow
23:45 mtj               have you really been to japan?
23:45 BobB              we had a week in Japan - VERY cool.
23:45 mtj               heya
23:45 BobB              Hi Mason
23:44 mtj               BobB:  about now :)
23:35 eythian           hello
23:30 BobB              hi eythian
23:12 eythian           ah right
23:11 jcamins           eythian: you're welcome. I just didn't have a chance to sign off on it when I initially responded to Sophie.
23:10 wahanui           OK, eythian.
23:10 eythian           wahanui: \I love the bot is <reply>BAD TOUCH!
23:10 Space_Librarian   I love all the bots
23:10 huginn            Space_Librarian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
23:10 Space_Librarian   @botsnack cookie
23:10 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Signed Off , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items
23:10 eythian           jcamins: thanks for getting bug 6199 sorted :)
23:09 Space_Librarian   lol. I love the bot
23:09 wahanui           I know. That's why I said it.
23:09 jcamins           Very true.
23:09 cait              right wahanui
23:08 wahanui           mediawiki is not fun
23:08 cait              mediawiki?
23:08 jcamins           Who thought that three apostrophes was a good idea to use for *bold*?
23:07 Space_Librarian   :D
23:07 Space_Librarian   thank you! that's fantastic. will play with it this arvo
23:06 jcamins           Well, very.
23:06 jcamins           Sorry, got a bit distracted.
23:05 jcamins           Space_Librarian: $('.no-image').css('background-image','url(bookplate.jpg)');
22:50 jcamins           Let me just find the script.
22:50 Space_Librarian   *awesome*
22:50 jcamins           I got the original idea from bag, I think.
22:49 wahanui           jquery library is, like, found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library
22:49 jcamins           jquery library?
22:49 Space_Librarian   lol
22:49 jcamins           Very easy.
22:49 jcamins           I had forgotten until cait pointed it out.
22:49 jcamins           Actually, that wasn't intended to remind you it was me.
22:49 * Space_Librarian wants to do the same thing
22:49 Space_Librarian   Is it difficult?
22:49 Space_Librarian   And it looked awesome
22:49 Space_Librarian   yes, I thought it may have been you. I wasn't sure.
22:48 jcamins           *someone
22:48 jcamins           Space_Librarian: some did something like that.
22:48 * Space_Librarian is pondering
22:48 Space_Librarian   Didn't somebody do awesome stuffs with a default pic for items without a cover in their opac?
22:40 cait              yay :)
22:40 rangi             oh i got kohagit tweeting again in the weekend too
22:40 cait              yeah
22:39 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode
22:39 jcamins           I'd try bug 7421, but I don't really know that much about UNIMARC.
22:37 cait              thx jcamins :)
22:36 jcamins           git_so++
22:36 jcamins           Yup.
22:35 jcamins           Wait... maybe I figured it out.
22:34 jcamins           Where does $0 show up?
22:34 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers
22:34 jcamins           cait: I'm looking at bug 7700.
22:15 wahanui           unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation
22:15 jcamins           unimarc?
22:03 jcamins           cjh: don't forget when doing updatedatabase patches that you shouldn't put an actual number in the version string.
21:58 jcamins           Of course, I still haven't worked out how to get certificates into the web browser.
21:58 * eythian         -> (hopefully short) meeting.
21:58 eythian           cool :) it's a bit of a learning hurdle, but once you've worked it out, it's pretty neat.
21:57 jcamins           Now that I understand what it does, I'm pretty jazzed about switching to PKI for my authentication.
21:57 * jcamins         looks forward to a new patch.
21:56 eythian           I don't know where that thing went, I guess I incorrectly merged the patches or something.
21:56 cait              :)
21:56 jcamins           Thanks.
21:56 jcamins           eythian: yeah, I know it requires a rebase. What I want is my git so macro to automatically go through *all* the patches.
21:56 eythian           You're right.
21:56 eythian           and I saw your comment on the bug.
21:56 cait              oh eythian
21:55 eythian           jcamins: I think a signoff will require a rebase as you're changing history, however it would be nice to have a "signoff" option in rebase -i
21:53 cait              jcamins++
21:44 cait              you could write a script - and share :)
21:44 jcamins           This whole git rebase -i kc/master && commit --amend -s && rebase --continue, etc., is too much work. ;)
21:43 jcamins           I need git so to sign off and attach *all* patches.
21:43 jcamins           You know what I need?
21:42 cait              more an enh... and that is probably debatable
21:42 rangi             no
21:42 cait              and not really a bug
21:42 cait              yeah
21:42 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7648 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , staff can make themselves superlibrarians
21:42 rangi             wow bug 7648 is totally a 123
21:41 jcamins           There are some subfield ordering issues, but this is pretty nice!
21:39 rangi             fair enough :)
21:39 jcamins           So I settled on "if it ain't broke, I'm not fixing it."
21:39 jcamins           Right, but I wasn't sure how to do it.
21:38 rangi             much more robust
21:38 rangi             as part of an init or new would be great for that too
21:38 ibeardslee        sounds like Space_Librarian is planning on heading to space
21:38 rangi             *nod*
21:38 jcamins           Arguably we should have C4::Heading::MARC21 be using the database too
21:38 rangi             makes sense
21:38 * Space_Librarian hunts down a quad-shot
21:37 rangi             ahhh
21:37 jcamins           I think the reason it is not is that I was trying to imitate the way C4::Heading::MARC21 worked.
21:36 rangi             which catches any errors that break that
21:36 cait              woot
21:36 rangi             for master and 3.6.x
21:36 rangi             i now have jenkins building packages too
21:36 rangi             scroll to the bottom
21:36 rangi             http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/2/console
21:36 rangi             sweet :)
21:36 jcamins           I don't see any reason why the DB access couldn't be moved to the new.
21:36 rangi             in the init or new sub would make sense .. and would be nicer when we move to plack too
21:35 jcamins           Hmmm... no I do not.
21:35 rangi             that would be most excellent
21:34 jcamins           I think I may have a follow up patch to remove the DB access entirely.
21:33 jcamins           But, wait.
21:33 jcamins           rangi: it probably could be moved, yes.
21:33 rangi             when installing
21:33 rangi             which means make test fails
21:33 cait              you scared me!
21:33 rangi             now
21:33 rangi             cause it means you cant do a simple use test (which 00-load.t) does without a db
21:33 cait              jcamins: sure?
21:32 jcamins           rangi: lemme check.
21:32 jcamins           cait: works fine with UNIMARC.
21:32 rangi             could it do it in the new ?
21:32 rangi             does it have to do the db handle in the begin?
21:32 rangi             C4::Heading::UNIMARC
21:32 rangi             oh hey jcamins
21:31 rangi             hmm
21:31 jcamins           rangi: I have absolutely no idea. I always thought that was an unfortunate side effect of something else.
21:31 rangi             jcamins: do you know where the js to disable the back button lives?
21:31 jcamins           Ignore me.
21:31 jcamins           Oh, I get it.
21:31 jcamins           This is *really* weird.
21:30 jcamins           No...
21:30 cait              pehraps there is one marc21 thing left somewhere
21:30 cait              oh!
21:30 jcamins           The entire 461 field.
21:30 cait              what disappears?
21:29 jcamins           I see it in the cataloging client, but it disappears when I save.
21:28 jcamins           This is quite peculiar.
21:27 cait              did I forget something? :(
21:27 cait              hm i does
21:26 jcamins           cait: doesn't your followup add UNIMARC?
21:26 jcamins           Hm.
21:26 cait              cool :)
21:25 Space_Librarian   cait: we're there now.
21:24 cait              heh :)
21:23 * jcamins         gets the hint. :P
21:22 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records
21:22 cait              bug 6831 - waiting for testers!
21:22 cait              nice and shiny rebased analytics thingy
21:22 cait              ok
21:20 Space_Librarian   I dunno if my predecessor set it up
21:19 cait              http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Oceania
21:18 cait              Space_Librarian: is your library on the user's page in the wiki?
21:13 rangi             yeah you could do some js to disable the back button
21:12 jcamins           (just on IE, for the login page only)
21:12 jcamins           rangi: what about using whatever technique the old MARC view used to break the back button?
21:11 Space_Librarian   I'm not looking forward to dealing with this when we have 11k people looking at the bulletin and wanting to login.
21:11 Space_Librarian   here's hoping.
21:09 rangi             and a long time out, ppl should have to login less, and the problem should manifest less
21:08 rangi             with the links being consistent
21:08 rangi             however
21:07 Space_Librarian   I'll explain that again
21:07 Space_Librarian   gtk
21:05 rangi             yep, theres no way to stop it .. its a function of IE + requiring login
21:05 mbalmer           I took a note.
21:05 mbalmer           cait, I will eventually.
21:04 Space_Librarian   I've tried to explain that, but IE is the preferred browser of 80% of our users
21:04 cait              mbalmer: you could send a patch to make it do that :)
21:04 mbalmer           should set autocomplete to off
21:04 mbalmer           the new patron web page has a form to query username and password, and that shouls
21:04 rangi             especially those ones :)
21:03 ibeardslee        starting with the ones on L2?
21:03 jcamins           Hehe.
21:03 rangi             we could make the login a get, but then we'd get hacked in 2 minutes and stabbed by every sysadmin in the world
21:02 jcamins           Ah.
21:02 rangi             its ie does not remember post data
21:02 rangi             that page never expires
21:02 rangi             its not the page expiry
21:01 jcamins           rangi: can you make pages expire a little further in the future?
21:01 rangi             thats the browser doing that, there really is no way to stop that im afraid :(
21:01 jcamins           Space_Librarian: not much you can do about that.
21:00 Brooke            it's like fruitcake
21:00 rangi             yes, IE is crap
21:00 Brooke            ahhh that's the worst kind
21:00 Space_Librarian   and what Brooke said!
21:00 jcamins           Yeah, this was a gift.
21:00 Space_Librarian   Okay. so the cgi-bin seems to be working, but we're still getting this, if we push the back button in IE navigation... http://screencast.com/t/z7Kfi0KSlO8
21:00 Brooke            Bailey's or naught!
21:00 jcamins           This is a different kind of irish cream than I'm used to.
20:59 Brooke            doh
20:59 jcamins           Space_Librarian: I'm thinking that might be it... it still tastes good, but I did notice that there was a lot more boiling going on than there usually is.
20:59 Brooke            stick with the chambord or grand marnier son
20:58 Space_Librarian   jcamins: you curdled the irish cream?
20:58 jcamins           I should have let it cool down some.
20:58 * Space_Librarian has done what the elders have suggested
20:58 jcamins           I added the irish cream too early.
20:58 * cait            likes toffee
20:57 * jcamins         bets he knows what went wrong with the fudge...
20:55 cait              make the link start with /cgi....
20:55 cait              Space_Librarian: follow jcamin's suggestion
20:55 rangi             what by?
20:55 * Space_Librarian very, very confused
20:54 rangi             because if you ever change url .. you dont have to go changing all links
20:54 rangi             in general relative links (without the http://site/) are better
20:53 Space_Librarian   yep
20:52 rangi             and the main one
20:52 Space_Librarian   yep
20:52 rangi             opacnav
20:52 rangi             in the sysprefs
20:52 Space_Librarian   rangi, what should I be doing to fix it?
20:52 rangi             yep
20:52 jcamins           rangi: shouldn't changing all the links to /cgi-bin/koha/... fix that issue?
20:51 rangi             cookies are domain based
20:51 rangi             then hit a link to the other, you will get prompted to login again
20:51 rangi             if you login to one
20:51 rangi             what im saying is
20:51 rangi             opacpublic is off
20:51 rangi             they will
20:50 Brooke            both prompt logins for me
20:49 rangi             it all depends what url you want ppl to use .. pick one .... :-)
20:48 rangi             then the cookie is set to that, not nzica.mykoha.co.nz so that would prompt a new login
20:48 rangi             if they logged in to that
20:48 rangi             oh library.nzica.com
20:47 jcamins           Space_Librarian: just for fun, try changing the links to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl
20:47 mbalmer           edinburgh will be fun.  cheap flights from .ch
20:44 pastebot          "Space_Librarian" at pasted "OpacUserMain and OpacNav" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/307
20:44 jcamins           :)
20:44 jcamins           Heh.
20:44 * cait            would still prefer jcamins to fudge
20:44 cait              heh
20:44 * Brooke          is jealous of Owen.
20:44 cait              seal it
20:44 cait              hmmm
20:44 jcamins           Who doesn't know yet.
20:44 jcamins           cait: by way of oleonard.
20:44 cait              really?
20:44 cait              you are planning to send that toffee to marseille?
20:43 mbalmer           I look forward to Koha and fish in marseille..
20:43 cait              !
20:43 jcamins           cait: yes... I heard there's a hackfest there.
20:43 wahanui           Marseille is a very contrasted city, some parts are gorgeous, other parts are... well... not so
20:43 cait              Marseille?
20:43 jcamins           I mean, I don't think that's quite how toffee is supposed to be made, but it works.
20:43 Brooke            XD
20:43 jcamins           Looks like Marseille is getting toffee.
20:42 jcamins           Now that it's cooled down, it is remarkably toffee-like.
20:42 Brooke            cooking > baking
20:42 jcamins           Well, this is toffee.
20:40 Space_Librarian   mmmm fudge
20:40 Brooke            fudge is srs buisnass
20:40 Brooke            now you're just leading tech support on, jcamins :P
20:40 jcamins           I came back and reported it was seized after I'd spent a while trying to save it. ;)
20:40 jcamins           Brooke: too late!
20:39 Brooke            bringing us back to don't try to save seized choc or you're gonna wanna tear yer hair out :P
20:38 jcamins           Space_Librarian: yup.
20:38 jcamins           Brooke: I tried that because it had seized. It was already seized when I tried that, and I figured I couldn't make it worse. ;)
20:38 Brooke            that's retarded.
20:38 jcamins           Space_Librarian: what's the link that requires a new login look like?
20:38 Space_Librarian   We have it in a nav box on the left, and in the centre box - it's identical. The left one doesn't cause mass destruction, whereas the centre one does. And it's exactly the same url
20:37 Space_Librarian   It's one.
20:37 Brooke            is it just one URL or many?
20:36 Space_Librarian   cait: the url causing the problems?
20:36 Brooke            because you basically treated the sugar crystalisation like you were making toffee or salt water candy
20:36 Brooke            yeah if you beat the dickens out of it, there's your problem
20:36 cait              Space_Librarian: what does your link look like?
20:36 cait              Space_Librarian: sorry misunderstood
20:35 jcamins           Brooke: I tried, after it had hit softball stage, but it was kind of... unwilling to be beaten.
20:35 Space_Librarian   and they're not on the staff client
20:35 cait              Space_Librarian: oh
20:35 Brooke            did you beat the dickens out of it (I assume not since this woulda happened before...)
20:35 Space_Librarian   cait: it's not an issue for me, it's an issue for the patrons
20:35 jcamins           Space_Librarian: nothing particularly out of the ordinary.
20:35 Space_Librarian   what did you do?
20:35 jcamins           Weird.
20:35 Space_Librarian   that is weird
20:35 Brooke            yes I do now
20:35 jcamins           You see?
20:34 jcamins           Yeah.
20:34 Space_Librarian   that is weird
20:34 Brooke            that's like air got into the sugar
20:34 Space_Librarian   so it's almost like a toffee
20:34 Brooke            oh that's weird
20:34 Brooke            which is like a ridiculous combo
20:34 jcamins           Space_Librarian: it's stiff, but there is no setting going on. It's very chewy, and generally peculiar.
20:34 Brooke            I <3 guittard because it's wonderful on the tastebuds and incredibly forgiving
20:33 jcamins           Brooke: must've been the pan.
20:33 Brooke            or the pan?
20:33 Brooke            did the humidity in the area do summat weird?
20:33 jcamins           Brooke: I guess so, but it's really weird.
20:33 mbalmer           sip is quite fast to my surprise
20:33 cait              Space_Librarian: that's like it is then. if you are logged in for staff, you are not automatically also logged in into the opac
20:32 Space_Librarian   how did your fudge seize?
20:32 Brooke            trust me.
20:32 Brooke            it's the chocolate passing blame to the fudge dude
20:32 Brooke            Sur La Table has guittard
20:32 jcamins           It's not set, it's seized.
20:32 Space_Librarian   yep. I did all the lists in the opac though
20:32 jcamins           It's the fudge.
20:32 jcamins           Brooke: this is the weird thing... it's not the *chocolate* that's seized up.
20:32 cait              you have to log in once for staff once for opac probably
20:32 cait              Space_Librarian: separate url's for staff and opac right?
20:32 jcamins           Hehe.
20:31 wahanui           hmmm... the link is wrong.
20:31 jcamins           Space_Librarian: what's the link?
20:31 jcamins           Space_Librarian: the link is wrong.
20:31 Brooke            summat ye'd wanna drink
20:31 Brooke            or grand marnier
20:31 Brooke            like chambord
20:31 Brooke            or a wee bit of alcohol
20:31 Space_Librarian   sounds good right about now
20:31 Brooke            sometimes warm milk will let you get away with redrum
20:31 Space_Librarian   mmmm. chocolate
20:31 Space_Librarian   So. Once you login to the opac, there's a url to take you to the public lists (don't ask, this is just they way the want it). So you click on this link, and it askes you to login again. You do, and it takes you to the lists. That's cool. But everytime you want to go backto that url. It asks you to login. Not a timeout issue. What's with that?
20:31 Brooke            if you absolutely must
20:31 Brooke            don't try and rescue seized chocolate, you're prolly gonna wanna just rip your hair out
20:30 Brooke            way to go mbalmer
20:30 Brooke            you have to seduce wood into doing what you want, and when you succeed, naught beats it
20:30 mbalmer           today was a cool day.  got really far with sip.
20:30 Brooke            wood is AWESOME but it is so freggin picky
20:29 * Brooke          cheats with chocolate and uses the microwave
20:29 jcamins           Gas or wood is the way to go.
20:29 jcamins           Always an absolute disaster.
20:29 jcamins           I tried making fudge on electric a few times.
20:29 jcamins           Brooke: yeah, electric is awful.
20:29 Brooke            (good because Electric is proprietary bs.)
20:29 jcamins           I've made lots of fudge here before.
20:29 Space_Librarian   not cool
20:29 jcamins           Gas.
20:29 jcamins           cait: it's seized up.
20:29 Brooke            is your platform gas or electric?
20:28 jcamins           cait: no, but it's kind of peculiar.
20:28 Brooke            we need specifics.
20:28 Brooke            what version of fudge are  you on
20:28 cait              jcamins_away: my irish cream fudge?
20:28 Space_Librarian   :p
20:28 cait              jcamins_away: you ate it all?
20:28 Space_Librarian   ?
20:28 Space_Librarian   It was replaced with a couple of strong porters
20:28 * jcamins_away    has *no* idea.
20:27 jcamins_away      What happened to this batch of fudge?
20:27 Space_Librarian   so. riddle me this, you fine people.
20:21 * Space_Librarian goes to tinker.
20:19 Brooke            pretty soon you have dancing staff.
20:19 Brooke            you get Pippa to call by with 3 slices of cheese and a clicker.
20:19 jcamins_away      How one teaches that without a weapon I'm not entirely sure. :(
20:18 jcamins_away      If you teach them to log in first thing, then open a new window to do all their work in (and close the first one), that problem will go away.
20:18 * Brooke          gets back in the rocking chair on the porch.
20:18 Brooke            because we've a boatload of preferences now
20:18 Brooke            took me a sec to find it
20:18 jcamins_away      ^^ that will help a bit, though.
20:18 Brooke            Login>Administration>System Preferences > Login Options > Timeout
20:18 jcamins_away      There's nothing you can do to avoid that. If they hit back to go back past the login page, they'll lose their session.
20:17 jcamins_away      Got it.
20:17 Space_Librarian   if you're using the browser buttons things fall off
20:17 jcamins_away      Oh.
20:17 Space_Librarian   using the buttons in koha
20:16 jcamins_away      Heh.
20:15 Brooke            because it's never going to be perfect.
20:15 Brooke            jcamins: as long as your half arsed jorb is better than the last half arsed jorb, things are marginally better
20:15 jcamins_away      Internal nav?
20:15 Space_Librarian   it's fine with internal nav, but people don't use the internal nav
20:14 jcamins_away      Brooke: If you can do a bad job, do it, then the next owners will have to redo it?
20:14 Space_Librarian   Brooke: how do you set the timeout?
20:14 * Brooke          applies the Home Repair Rule to cataloguing.
20:14 cait              but we don't use that subfields
20:14 Brooke            half of MARC and cataloguing is close enough
20:14 cait              there are additional subfields for language and country cods
20:13 cait              I think it is quite close
20:13 cait              ok
20:13 jcamins_away      When I asked magnuse, he said it was close enough.
20:09 cait              but does all content come from the same fields? was not sure about that
20:09 cait              I checked the 773 documentation
20:09 jcamins_away      cait: it does.
20:09 Brooke            hey cait :D
20:09 cait              hi Brooke
20:09 huginn            cait: The operation succeeded.
20:09 cait              @later tell magnuse - I need your help :) can you tell me if 773 is using the same fields subfields than marc21 does? :)
20:04 Brooke            so whip yer coworkers until they cooperate
20:04 Brooke            and I find Koha on anything but firefox pretty durn frustrating
20:04 Brooke            it was annoying
20:04 Brooke            because before I set that to like a jillion
20:04 Brooke            is it the timeout jiggermawhatsit
20:04 * Space_Librarian is still bemused by muppets
20:03 Space_Librarian   jcamins_away: yes, expiring links/return to loging page, etc - depends on whether you're using IE/Chrome/Firefox
20:03 huginn            Brooke: The operation succeeded.
20:03 Brooke            @later tell druthb remind me to tell you my macho gym story
19:58 Brooke            have fun moving
19:58 Brooke            oh sweet
19:58 jcamins_away      Or it might be a week before.
19:58 jcamins_away      That might be the day that we move.
19:57 ibeardslee        as the short segment
19:57 ibeardslee        no, it was Pigs in Space
19:55 Brooke            I just remember Pigs in Space, but it could easily be a misremembrance
19:54 ibeardslee        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158811/
19:54 ibeardslee        Muppets in Space was the short segment
19:54 ibeardslee        .. actually Muppet From Space
19:53 jcamins_away      Told you there was a movie by that title! :D
19:53 ibeardslee        Space_Librarian: I have it at home, shall bring it in for next time you pop in to BoC
19:53 jcamins_away      Space_Librarian: neither do I.
19:53 jcamins_away      Expiring links?
19:50 * Space_Librarian is fighting some serious fires with Koha, lists, and expiring links.
19:49 Space_Librarian   don't know the movie...
19:48 Brooke            kia ora
19:48 * cait            waves
19:48 cait              :)
19:46 jcamins_away      Space_Librarian: yes, isn't that the name of the movie? "Muppets in space"?
19:46 Space_Librarian   muppets?!
19:46 * jcamins_away    also pictures muppets in space suits carrying books. :)
19:46 * Space_Librarian looks at wizzyrea_away, making sure she's nowhere near the time machine.
19:45 * Space_Librarian walks out of her TARDIS and locks it.
19:43 * jcamins_away    thinks "Liiibraariaaaaaannnnnnnssss iiiiiiiinnnnn spaaaaaaaace" every time you sign in.
19:08 cait              :(
19:08 jcamins           Ticket prices are outrageous... last time I was there, I could buy *two* round-trip tickets for the price of one ticket for the summer.
19:08 mbalmer           I think we already booked flights for edinburgh
19:08 cait              hmf :(
19:08 jcamins           :(
19:08 jcamins           cait: me too, though it's hard to see how.
19:07 * cait            still hopes he will be in scotland
19:07 mbalmer           ok
19:07 jcamins           mbalmer: nope.
19:07 mbalmer           jcamins, will you be in marseillle?
19:06 cait              thx jcamins :)
19:05 wahanui           well, unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation
19:05 jcamins           unimarc?
19:02 mbalmer           so maybe, oneday, who knows, it will be opensource ;)
19:00 jcamins           Right.
19:00 mbalmer           I know, and if that leads to a better SIP server, I also profit.
18:59 jcamins           mbalmer: it's not that it's needed, it's that making it open source means that others might be able to make use of your work.
18:58 mbalmer           and if absolutely needed, I think I can make my C SIP library open source under the GPL.
18:57 * mbalmer         tamed SIP
18:56 mbalmer           today was a good day
18:56 mbalmer           re
18:33 cait              don't deserve karma
18:33 * cait            is a lazy cait
18:33 druthb            n meanie cait won't tell me *why*...
18:33 * druthb          got hmpfed, and doesn't know why.
18:31 druthb            what?
18:31 cait              hmpf
18:31 druthb            cait++
18:31 druthb            jcamins++
18:31 cait              jcamins++
18:30 jcamins           o/
18:30 cait              hiya ruth :)
18:28 druthb            o/
18:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records
18:25 jcamins           bug 6831
17:25 jcamins           Though bug 7671 *is* a good one.
17:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7617 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Authority search results should optionally be sorted by system order
17:25 jcamins           *Bug 7617
17:24 jcamins           But 7617, sorry.
17:24 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7671 major, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, ASSIGNED , add a real primary key "id" in accountlines
17:24 cait              bug 7671
17:21 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers
17:21 jcamins           bug 7700
16:46 cait              yay!
16:46 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3216 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , UNIMARC author facets
16:46 jcamins           I can sign off on bug 3216!
16:45 jcamins           Yay! git.biblibre.com is back!
16:20 * jcamins         thinks pundits are always wrong.
16:20 Oak               hmm.
16:20 jcamins           They also claimed it was the end of the manuscript, and the century after the introduction of the printing press was the high point in manuscript production.
16:19 jcamins           Oak: doomsayers claimed that people stopped thinking for themselves.
16:19 * jcamins         didn't read the article just now, but I think that I read it before.
16:14 Oak               how? :)
16:13 jcamins           Yup.
16:12 Oak               what do you mean? they said printing press will make us stupid?
16:09 jcamins           They said that about the printing press, too.
16:08 Oak               http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/is-google-making-us-stupid/6868/
15:37 seneca            Thanks for everyone's help!
15:37 mbalmer           but the code is still very young, I only started today.
15:36 mbalmer           A SIP library is not competitive advantage for our product, it's how we use SIP that makes it unique, I guess.
15:36 mbalmer           I have no objections.
15:35 jcamins           You should consider it.
15:35 mbalmer           s/linsip/libsip/
15:34 mbalmer           it's a Unix library, linsip, and a lua module 'sip'.  and maybe a command line tool 'sipctl'.
15:33 mbalmer           no plans for opensource yet.  but the C client and Lua interface could possibly be released as opensource.
15:33 jcamins           It seems like a C client like this would greatly simplify testing SIP.
15:33 jcamins           Are you planning on releasing this as open source?
15:32 jcamins           Ah.
15:32 mbalmer           but Koha is my SIP testbed, that is how I came to Koha in the first place.  By sheer accident we are now promoting Koha itself in Switzerland ;)
15:32 mbalmer           that will not be part of Koha, obviously.
15:30 mbalmer           our point of sale and self check systems are largely written in Lua(or rather, are scriptable in Lua)
15:30 jcamins           What exactly will be the use of a lua interface?
15:29 jcamins           Yup.
15:29 mbalmer           that's a bot, right?
15:29 mbalmer           byte fiddling in C.  and in the end I will have a nice Lua interface to SIP and Koha
15:29 jcamins           mbalmer: I was trying to get wahanui to chime in.
15:29 mbalmer           exactly ;)
15:28 jcamins           interesting?
15:28 cait              you mean it makes it more... interesting
15:26 mbalmer           ok, fields can come in any order, that complicates bits a bit.
15:26 seneca            as I'm still registering about 23 sessions per minute
15:26 seneca            and I'm going to look into that cronjob that truncates the sessions table every night
15:25 seneca            I've got a really restrictive robots.txt in place now, so I hope that will save some space/bandwidth
15:25 jcamins           seneca: a good idea.
15:25 seneca            to ensure that if it happens again, I only need to deal with one table, not the entire db
15:25 cait              Sorry, 'JEDI' may be misspelled or may be a proper noun! !!!
15:25 seneca            and I even did this: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/innodb-multiple-tablespaces.html
15:24 seneca            worked great
15:24 seneca            however, the steps here: http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?35,121880,121886
15:24 seneca            I was able to truncate the sessions table, but - as is expected, I guess - the db didn't shrink to a smaller size
15:24 mbalmer           well, I _have_ a working SIP client now.
15:23 mbalmer           took a note of those bug numbers
15:23 cait              mbalmer: the problem with sip patches is that it's hard to find someone testing them
15:23 jcamins           mbalmer: yeah, so you'll have a working testbed.
15:23 seneca            my super-huge db was due to the sessions table
15:23 seneca            b/c I know you're dying to find out ;)
15:23 mbalmer           I am working on a C client implememtation, fwiw, jcamins
15:22 seneca            OK, update for everyone
15:22 jcamins           mbalmer: you should sign off on bugs 3638 and 6273, since you're working on SIP.
15:20 mbalmer           ah crap, the SIP response to "patron status" sent by Koha is in the wrong order (violates SIP spec imo)
15:00 jcamins           Better, anyway.
15:00 huginn            jcamins: Karma for "ssl" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
15:00 jcamins           @karma ssl
15:00 jcamins           SSL--
15:00 huginn            jcamins: Karma for "ssl" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
15:00 jcamins           @karma ssl
15:00 jcamins           SSL--
15:00 jcamins           Oh, BTW...
15:00 jcamins           Thanks.
14:59 * cait            sends cookies
14:59 jcamins           I think eythian attached the wrong patch. :(
14:57 jcamins           cait: that's the plan.
14:57 cait              make robin fix it?
14:57 jcamins           (and, yes, it deserves a "finally managed to figure out how to test";)
14:57 cait              ouch
14:56 jcamins           I *finally* managed to figure out how to test it, and it doesn't work!
14:56 jcamins           That's the one.
14:56 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Failed QA , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates
14:56 jcamins           Bug 6296
14:56 jcamins           No.
14:56 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6926 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , overdue_notices don't send itemcount to notification
14:56 jcamins           mbalmer: I've been trying to test bug 6926 for the last 24 hours.
14:56 cait              didn't gt it working?
14:56 mbalmer           ??
14:56 jcamins           That was just depressing.
14:55 * jcamins         sighs.
14:53 mbalmer           s/that/than/
14:53 mbalmer           anyway, got further with my C SIP implementation that I thought.
14:53 jcamins           mbalmer: unpleasant.
14:52 mbalmer           that would be like operating a library over SIP insteaf of using the staff client…..
14:50 cait              hm
14:44 * jcamins         prefers not to do his web browsing by reading HTML source.
14:44 jcamins           Fancier, but it's still a command line tool for retrieving things over HTTP.
14:44 jcamins           cait: it's like wget.
14:44 wahanui           i think curl is pretty slick :-)
14:44 cait              what is curl?
14:44 cait              hm
14:43 jcamins           Koha is not particularly curl-friendly.
14:43 jcamins           When it doesn't work, your only option is to use curl.
14:43 jcamins           Basically all the instructions come down to "and then everything will work."
14:42 jcamins           You know, SSL is possibly the worst-designed technology I have ever had the misfortune of using.
14:41 cait              :)
14:33 mbalmer           I can now scan a patron card at the _point of sale terminal_ and it retrieves patron information using SIP.  that's a great start.
14:32 mbalmer           friendly Koha ;)
14:32 cait              seems to be no problem, the machines ignore it
14:32 cait              mbalmer: I think it always did that
14:25 mbalmer           when requesting patron information over SIP, Koha sets field AF to "Greetings from Koha".
14:25 seneca            another db question while I work on blocking the google bot: I've truncated the sessions table but didn't get any filesystem space back. Is there a way to do get it back from the db?
14:25 mbalmer           ahah...
14:24 seneca            hehe
14:23 jcamins           seneca: Scrabble has taken #koha by storm. ;)
14:23 seneca            oh...:)
14:21 cait              sorry :)
14:21 cait              wrong window :)
14:18 seneca            I'm not sure what you mean
14:17 cait              did you play clean?
14:17 cait              I don't think yo have
14:17 cait              no
14:16 seneca            Those crawlers that will pay attention to it will just start paying attention to it, I think...
14:16 seneca            Am I thinking correctly: I don't have to do anything to "activate" a robots.txt file, right?
14:15 seneca            probably ;)
14:15 cait              or kick it out?
14:15 cait              can you block it?
14:15 cait              hm
14:15 seneca            113 sessions in about 4 minutes
14:15 seneca            still am connected to that google bot, and the sessions are still growing...
14:15 cait              did it help?
14:14 seneca            just to test
14:14 seneca            OK, went for the sample robots.txt that blocks everything
14:03 cait              in the main directory I think
14:03 cait              there is a sample file
14:03 cait              hm
14:03 seneca            where should the robots.txt go?
14:03 seneca            that explains it
14:03 seneca            ah
14:03 jcamins           Nope.
14:03 jcamins           seneca: every connection creates a session.
14:03 seneca            I was thinking sessions were only logins
14:02 seneca            should that be generating sessions?
14:02 seneca            that ip seems to be a google bot
14:02 seneca            ha!
14:01 seneca            hmm...
14:00 cait              I wonder if activating a robots.txt would help?
14:00 cait              paul_p mentioned they had massive problems with bots the last few weeks
13:59 jcamins           I have no idea what it could be, but that's a big problem.
13:59 seneca            but that's it
13:58 seneca            I have an established connection to a ""
13:58 jcamins           Yes, I think so.
13:58 seneca            guess I found a problem!
13:58 jcamins           Run netstat.
13:58 jcamins           Wow!
13:57 seneca            now 29
13:57 seneca            then 19
13:57 seneca            but it's growing... first check after truncated shows 5 rows
13:57 cait              seneca: bots
13:57 seneca            truncated it...
13:57 seneca            ok
13:56 jcamins           Hopefully it will work.
13:56 jcamins           Yeah.
13:56 seneca            I should certainly truncate it, though
13:56 seneca            odd
13:56 seneca            We've only been running this install for a couple of years, and we're a school of about 500 users...
13:55 seneca            I think that's more sessions than possible...
13:55 cait              seneca: there is a cronjob you can use to clean it every night
13:54 seneca            that seems ridiculously high
13:54 seneca            yeah
13:54 seneca            ha!
13:54 seneca            8353708 rows
13:53 seneca            let me check the rows...
13:53 seneca            I see
13:53 seneca            hmmm
13:53 jcamins_away      seneca: it will be every session ever, if you haven't been truncating regularly.
13:53 seneca            I think I know how to check the number of rows...should there only be active logins in the sessions table?
13:52 jcamins_away      Truncate it.
13:52 jcamins_away      Almost certainly sessions table.
13:52 seneca            we're a school and it's a weekend, so I'm not too worried about that. ;)
13:51 seneca            at you installation?
13:51 cait              you could just truncate it - but it will log out all current users
13:51 cait              we clean the sessiont able every night
13:51 cait              not sure about seeing sizes
13:50 seneca            ...or a way to see the sizes of individual tables in a db?
13:49 seneca            That's what I was thinking. Is there a way to clear the session table?
13:48 cait              hm not so likely then
13:48 seneca            there's only about 21k items...
13:48 seneca            Maybe it just got that big naturally?
13:47 seneca            I have to admit, though, that I wasn't really paying attention to how big it was before I left...
13:47 cait              session table perhaps?
13:47 cait              oh
13:47 seneca            It seems my koha db is ~23GB - it has grown so much it has filled the filesystem and crashed mysqld.
13:46 seneca            At least, I think that's what happened.
13:46 seneca            anyone ever have their mysql db grow very large in a short time?
13:46 seneca            <-- just got back from Italy. :)
13:46 cait              hi seneca
13:45 seneca            Buongiorno!
13:13 mbalmer           two nice C functions help with SIP:  sip_printf() and sip_scanf()
12:28 mbalmer           I wonder if my SIP implementation will also work with a Sunrise system..
12:19 cait              :)
12:19 cait              Oak: hello Oak
12:18 mbalmer           hah!  got the checksumming right, Koha responds properly to my SIP SC Status message
12:18 Oak               hello cait.
11:31 cait              sure :)
11:31 mbalmer           tnx for the hint
11:30 cait              mbalmer: perhaps look for feepaid in bugzilla - the fee payment support is rather new and might not support the whole standard
11:29 mbalmer           now let's see if I can scan the patron card at the POS terminal and retrieve patron status and due fees from Koha ..
11:22 cait              cool
11:19 mbalmer           SIP login from C program to Koha already works..
08:58 mbalmer           found 3M Standard Interchange Protocol V2.00
08:57 cait              3m and sip2
08:57 cait              it's in google
08:57 mbalmer           hmm, aynone knows a URL to the SIP2 specification?
08:51 mbalmer           I hope to get www.arcapos.de working with Koha one day.
08:50 cait              yeah, obviously
08:49 mbalmer           <institution> in SIPconfig.xml must match the branch code of the library
08:48 mbalmer           Hah!  Victory! : Login OK.  Initiating SIP
08:47 cait              it's always what you make of it
08:47 mbalmer           now to set permissions on a patron.  sigh, why is this sunday so brutal to me ;)
08:46 mbalmer           aha, it get's betterer
08:43 mbalmer           So I must create a stadd user apparently, so lets find out how to do that
08:40 cait              jenkins
08:39 cait              hm
08:29 cait              I think without test data it's hard to tell if oyu can
08:29 cait              and I can't find the page in the old manual about setting up the sip user
08:29 mbalmer           and I don't want to checkout/checkin, but to pay fees (point of sales terminal for self service)
08:28 cait              I am not sure what you are trying to do
08:28 mbalmer           I have no real client yet.
08:27 cait              could you check out?
08:27 cait              I don't think it really worked
08:26 mbalmer           so why did term1 work when I don't have a patron with that name?
08:26 cait              so it needs permissions
08:26 cait              it acts as a staff member
08:26 cait              I do that too
08:26 cait              yes
08:26 mbalmer           wait, I am still talking about the machine's account.  the one needed to get to the SIP server, not the account of the patron.
08:25 cait              circulate and catalog? perhaps staff access?
08:25 cait              does the user have circulation permissions?
08:25 cait              what data did you enter?
08:24 mbalmer           strange
08:23 cait              or with the user
08:23 cait              then there is something wrong in the data you entered
08:23 mbalmer           that machine account, defined in SIPconfig.xml does not worl.
08:22 cait              Ich denke wir reden aneinander vorbei
08:22 mbalmer           s/too/to/
08:22 cait              yes
08:22 mbalmer           it's that machine account that I was referring, too.
08:22 cait              yeah, you put that data in the config file
08:21 cait              I would just make it both the same - cardnumber and username
08:21 mbalmer           yes, but that is in the SIP protocol.  before I can use SIP, the machine has to authtnticate itself at the SIPserver
08:21 cait              patrons authenticate with cardnumber + password, I am not totally sure about the sip user for the machine
08:20 cait              or not sure
08:20 cait              you need cardnumber and password
08:20 cait              thinking about it
08:20 cait              hm
08:20 mbalmer           ah!
08:20 cait              opac login
08:20 cait              scroll down
08:20 cait              you need username and password
08:20 cait              no
08:20 cait              and perhaps catalog
08:20 mbalmer           an in the staff client (de-DE) "Nachname" is the patron name?
08:20 cait              circulate I think
08:19 cait              and your sip patron user needs some permissions
08:19 cait              yes
08:19 mbalmer           well, I create a patron 'arcapos' in the staff client, then I create that as an account in SIPconfig.xml?
08:18 cait              ?
08:18 mbalmer           and with the same name as the patron?
08:18 cait              and enter the login data for that patron into your sip config
08:18 cait              you have to add a patron account with some permissions
08:18 mbalmer           oh, btw, yes I have a patron.
08:18 cait              a staffmember
08:18 cait              ys
08:17 mbalmer           but isn't the login I define in <accounts> in SIPconfig.xml for the machine?
08:17 cait              ok, that's  a bug perhaps, but it can't work
08:17 mbalmer           but it should not output "invalid login" then Login OK.
08:17 cait              the sip acts as a staff member
08:17 cait              for the sip
08:17 cait              you need one
08:17 cait              ah
08:16 mbalmer           no patrons yet on my development system
08:16 cait              do you have a patron in koha with permissions for circulating?
08:16 cait              we use it in 2 libraries
08:16 cait              it works
08:16 cait              no
08:16 cait              hm
08:16 mbalmer           I guess it has bugs..
08:16 mbalmer           Login OK.  Initiating SIP
08:16 mbalmer           Invalid login
08:16 mbalmer           password: term1
08:16 mbalmer           login: term1
08:12 mbalmer           I found the config file.  The docs on the wiki are  abit wrong, but still useful
08:11 cait              http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_SIP2_server_setup
08:11 cait              I think
08:11 cait              mbalmer: yes, in themanuasl
08:04 mbalmer           are there any docs how to configure and activate the SIP2 server?
07:52 wahanui           morning is a state of mind.
07:52 mbalmer           morning!
07:52 cait              morning mbalmer
07:52 huginn            cait: The operation succeeded.
07:51 cait              @later tell paul_p I tried using the sanboxes to verify a bug - but don't know how to login?
07:45 * cait            hands jenkins the duct tape
07:45 cait              hm
07:11 cait              hi dgl-library
07:05 dgl-library       hi cait
07:03 cait              hi #koha
06:10 ibeardslee        I think I might spend a wee bit of time working out how to tune those ubuntu install instructions
05:48 dgl-library       Do I need to set up a field for (koha's) Item Type in the Marc frameworks?
04:53 dgl-library       afk
04:53 dgl-library       I've been telling everyone here that I'm getting help from other koha users elsewhere in the world and they're amazed
04:52 dgl-library       ok thanks
04:51 bag               yes
04:50 dgl-library       as for barcode scanners, I've been reading the reviews on amazon, and I'm looking at one that's rated well, but when it sends the barcode number, by default it sends [ENTER KEY] at the end. is that the preferred koha behavior?
04:49 dgl-library       fantastic. that makes things easier.
04:48 bag               nope you can use preprinted - then print your own - then go back to preprinted
04:48 dgl-library       also can we start out buying preprinted barcodes, and then move to printing our own? or do we basically have to use one method forever?
04:48 dgl-library       that sounds good
04:47 bag               yup it's called alternating
04:46 dgl-library       bag: on the same sheet, a bunch at a time?
04:46 bag               one barcode and then one biblio
04:46 jcamins           dgl-library: right.
04:46 jcamins           bag: really? I was under the impression you couldn't.
04:46 dgl-library       jcamins: you buy preprinted barcodes and only print spine labels yourself
04:45 bag               wait you can do alternating
04:45 jcamins           I buy preprinted.
04:45 jcamins           That's pretty much all I know about them.
04:45 jcamins           You configure the size of the labels.
04:45 jcamins           dgl-library: no they are not. They're separate.
04:45 dgl-library       jcamins: Are barcodes and spine labels printed on the same sheet? And can I set the label size in Koha, or do only certain sizes (i.e. certain Avery label sheets) work properly?
04:05 jcamins           I'll attach my revised patch, still unsigned-off-on, but at least Koha will function with it applied. :)
04:04 jcamins           Also, there are a few bugs in it.
04:04 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates
04:04 jcamins           I don't think I'm signing off on bug 6296, sorry.
04:04 * jcamins         looks at the number of steps.
04:04 eythian           yeah, that's very strange
04:04 jcamins           I just think the whole thing is a little too brittle, if I can run "sudo apache2ctl restart" twice in a row, and have it work one time but not the other.
04:03 jcamins           Oh, I'm sure it *works*.
04:03 eythian           we have had it in production for a while now with no issues
04:03 jcamins           Yeah.
04:03 eythian           that's weird
04:03 jcamins           0% of the time when I enable StdEnvVars.
04:02 jcamins           Apache will only start ~50% of the time with SSL enabled.
04:02 jcamins           I have to tell you, I have reconsidered my consideration of using PKI/X.509 for authentication.
04:01 eythian           http://www.garex.net/apache/ <-- also useful
04:01 eythian           you will need to make a CA cert, and then sign the client certs using that
04:01 eythian           http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/apache-2-ssltls-step-step-part-3 <-- I think I used this
04:01 jcamins           Do I really have to set up my own CA?
04:00 jcamins           This is the part where I get most confused.
04:00 jcamins           eythian: what about the client certificate?
04:00 jcamins_away      Which I haven't.
04:00 jcamins_away      eythian: right.
03:59 eythian           jcamins_away: it's fairly simple, at least once you've done it once :)
03:59 jcamins_away      eythian: you make it sound so simple.
03:57 huginn            eythian: The operation succeeded.
03:57 eythian           @later tell jcamins it's pretty easy, you just set it up like any SSL cert for apache.
02:52 * jcamins         leaves again.
02:52 jcamins           All barcodes/spine labels on a sheet have to be the same size.
02:51 jcamins           dgl-library: I'm not here, but you can use any barcode scanner you want, as they just act like a keyboard.
02:37 dgl-library       And a question about printing spine labels and barcodes
02:31 dgl-library       Is there anyone here who can answer a question about barcode scanners?
02:31 dgl-library       Good morning #koha