Time Nick Message 23:58 rangi http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-03-11#i_916523 23:58 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right 23:58 jcamins Change the |...| to {...} 23:58 jcamins Oh. 23:58 jcamins Should be RoutingList not RoutlingList. 23:58 jcamins Also, there's a typo. 23:57 cait still does not work! 23:57 cait I did 23:56 cait lol 23:56 pastebot "jcamins" at 74.73.59.41 pasted "cait: change it like so and go to sleep!" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/308 23:56 eythian yep, I'll never tell anyone that the Library of Elbonia is switching to Unicorn 23:56 mtj bah, monday brain :/ 23:55 * BobB humbly apologises 23:54 * cait forgot it already 23:54 BobB Thanks Chris. 23:54 BobB So I just announced it. Bugger. 23:54 jcamins rangi: yeah, you'd better. 23:54 cait BobB: congrats :) 23:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7557 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference 23:53 jcamins bug 7557 23:53 rangi w00t!!! 23:52 mtj we need to sort out a plan for the eesi stuff... 23:52 mtj yep, sure do 23:51 BobB Do you have a couple of minutes? 23:51 BobB mtj I've a couple of things to mention. 23:50 BobB Tokyo and Yokohama have 35 million people - more than Au plus NZ combined. 23:50 BobB I've heard about the indoor surf but didn't come across it. Nothing they do would surprise me. The place is awesome. 23:49 mtj yep, all good over here 23:49 mtj indoor snow and surf 23:49 mtj i have heard about the indoor snow places in japan 23:49 BobB How are you, OK? 23:48 BobB Only one day on the snow unfortunately. We were going to have more but the weather caved in. But it was great nonetheless. We have nothing like it in Oz. 23:47 BobB We went to Happo One - one big mountain with lots of steeps. I was so proud of Irma - she cruised it! 23:46 BobB Yes, we went up to see friends who live in Tokyo. So we also went out to Hakuba and had a ski. It was great. 23:46 mtj just a holiday? 23:46 mtj what was the occasion? 23:46 mtj wow 23:45 mtj have you really been to japan? 23:45 BobB we had a week in Japan - VERY cool. 23:45 mtj heya 23:45 BobB Hi Mason 23:44 mtj BobB: about now :) 23:35 eythian hello 23:30 BobB hi eythian 23:12 eythian ah right 23:11 jcamins eythian: you're welcome. I just didn't have a chance to sign off on it when I initially responded to Sophie. 23:10 wahanui OK, eythian. 23:10 eythian wahanui: \I love the bot is <reply>BAD TOUCH! 23:10 Space_Librarian I love all the bots 23:10 huginn Space_Librarian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 23:10 Space_Librarian @botsnack cookie 23:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Signed Off , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items 23:10 eythian jcamins: thanks for getting bug 6199 sorted :) 23:09 Space_Librarian lol. I love the bot 23:09 wahanui I know. That's why I said it. 23:09 jcamins Very true. 23:09 cait right wahanui 23:08 wahanui mediawiki is not fun 23:08 cait mediawiki? 23:08 jcamins Who thought that three apostrophes was a good idea to use for *bold*? 23:07 Space_Librarian :D 23:07 Space_Librarian thank you! that's fantastic. will play with it this arvo 23:06 jcamins Well, very. 23:06 jcamins Sorry, got a bit distracted. 23:05 jcamins Space_Librarian: $('.no-image').css('background-image','url(bookplate.jpg)'); 22:50 jcamins Let me just find the script. 22:50 Space_Librarian *awesome* 22:50 jcamins I got the original idea from bag, I think. 22:49 wahanui jquery library is, like, found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 22:49 jcamins jquery library? 22:49 Space_Librarian lol 22:49 jcamins Very easy. 22:49 jcamins I had forgotten until cait pointed it out. 22:49 jcamins Actually, that wasn't intended to remind you it was me. 22:49 * Space_Librarian wants to do the same thing 22:49 Space_Librarian Is it difficult? 22:49 Space_Librarian And it looked awesome 22:49 Space_Librarian yes, I thought it may have been you. I wasn't sure. 22:48 jcamins *someone 22:48 jcamins Space_Librarian: some did something like that. 22:48 * Space_Librarian is pondering 22:48 Space_Librarian Didn't somebody do awesome stuffs with a default pic for items without a cover in their opac? 22:40 cait yay :) 22:40 rangi oh i got kohagit tweeting again in the weekend too 22:40 cait yeah 22:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode 22:39 jcamins I'd try bug 7421, but I don't really know that much about UNIMARC. 22:37 cait thx jcamins :) 22:36 jcamins git_so++ 22:36 jcamins Yup. 22:35 jcamins Wait... maybe I figured it out. 22:34 jcamins Where does $0 show up? 22:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers 22:34 jcamins cait: I'm looking at bug 7700. 22:15 wahanui unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation 22:15 jcamins unimarc? 22:03 jcamins cjh: don't forget when doing updatedatabase patches that you shouldn't put an actual number in the version string. 21:58 jcamins Of course, I still haven't worked out how to get certificates into the web browser. 21:58 * eythian -> (hopefully short) meeting. 21:58 eythian cool :) it's a bit of a learning hurdle, but once you've worked it out, it's pretty neat. 21:57 jcamins Now that I understand what it does, I'm pretty jazzed about switching to PKI for my authentication. 21:57 * jcamins looks forward to a new patch. 21:56 eythian I don't know where that thing went, I guess I incorrectly merged the patches or something. 21:56 cait :) 21:56 jcamins Thanks. 21:56 jcamins eythian: yeah, I know it requires a rebase. What I want is my git so macro to automatically go through *all* the patches. 21:56 eythian You're right. 21:56 eythian and I saw your comment on the bug. 21:56 cait oh eythian 21:55 eythian jcamins: I think a signoff will require a rebase as you're changing history, however it would be nice to have a "signoff" option in rebase -i 21:53 cait jcamins++ 21:44 cait you could write a script - and share :) 21:44 jcamins This whole git rebase -i kc/master && commit --amend -s && rebase --continue, etc., is too much work. ;) 21:43 jcamins I need git so to sign off and attach *all* patches. 21:43 jcamins You know what I need? 21:42 cait more an enh... and that is probably debatable 21:42 rangi no 21:42 cait and not really a bug 21:42 cait yeah 21:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7648 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , staff can make themselves superlibrarians 21:42 rangi wow bug 7648 is totally a 123 21:41 jcamins There are some subfield ordering issues, but this is pretty nice! 21:39 rangi fair enough :) 21:39 jcamins So I settled on "if it ain't broke, I'm not fixing it." 21:39 jcamins Right, but I wasn't sure how to do it. 21:38 rangi much more robust 21:38 rangi as part of an init or new would be great for that too 21:38 ibeardslee sounds like Space_Librarian is planning on heading to space 21:38 rangi *nod* 21:38 jcamins Arguably we should have C4::Heading::MARC21 be using the database too 21:38 rangi makes sense 21:38 * Space_Librarian hunts down a quad-shot 21:37 rangi ahhh 21:37 jcamins I think the reason it is not is that I was trying to imitate the way C4::Heading::MARC21 worked. 21:36 rangi which catches any errors that break that 21:36 cait woot 21:36 rangi for master and 3.6.x 21:36 rangi i now have jenkins building packages too 21:36 rangi scroll to the bottom 21:36 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/2/console 21:36 rangi sweet :) 21:36 jcamins I don't see any reason why the DB access couldn't be moved to the new. 21:36 rangi in the init or new sub would make sense .. and would be nicer when we move to plack too 21:35 jcamins Hmmm... no I do not. 21:35 rangi that would be most excellent 21:34 jcamins I think I may have a follow up patch to remove the DB access entirely. 21:33 jcamins But, wait. 21:33 jcamins rangi: it probably could be moved, yes. 21:33 rangi when installing 21:33 rangi which means make test fails 21:33 cait you scared me! 21:33 rangi now 21:33 rangi cause it means you cant do a simple use test (which 00-load.t) does without a db 21:33 cait jcamins: sure? 21:32 jcamins rangi: lemme check. 21:32 jcamins cait: works fine with UNIMARC. 21:32 rangi could it do it in the new ? 21:32 rangi does it have to do the db handle in the begin? 21:32 rangi C4::Heading::UNIMARC 21:32 rangi oh hey jcamins 21:31 rangi hmm 21:31 jcamins rangi: I have absolutely no idea. I always thought that was an unfortunate side effect of something else. 21:31 rangi jcamins: do you know where the js to disable the back button lives? 21:31 jcamins Ignore me. 21:31 jcamins Oh, I get it. 21:31 jcamins This is *really* weird. 21:30 jcamins No... 21:30 cait pehraps there is one marc21 thing left somewhere 21:30 cait oh! 21:30 jcamins The entire 461 field. 21:30 cait what disappears? 21:29 jcamins I see it in the cataloging client, but it disappears when I save. 21:28 jcamins This is quite peculiar. 21:27 cait did I forget something? :( 21:27 cait hm i does 21:26 jcamins cait: doesn't your followup add UNIMARC? 21:26 jcamins Hm. 21:26 cait cool :) 21:25 Space_Librarian cait: we're there now. 21:24 cait heh :) 21:23 * jcamins gets the hint. :P 21:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records 21:22 cait bug 6831 - waiting for testers! 21:22 cait nice and shiny rebased analytics thingy 21:22 cait ok 21:20 Space_Librarian I dunno if my predecessor set it up 21:19 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Oceania 21:18 cait Space_Librarian: is your library on the user's page in the wiki? 21:13 rangi yeah you could do some js to disable the back button 21:12 jcamins (just on IE, for the login page only) 21:12 jcamins rangi: what about using whatever technique the old MARC view used to break the back button? 21:11 Space_Librarian I'm not looking forward to dealing with this when we have 11k people looking at the bulletin and wanting to login. 21:11 Space_Librarian here's hoping. 21:09 rangi and a long time out, ppl should have to login less, and the problem should manifest less 21:08 rangi with the links being consistent 21:08 rangi however 21:07 Space_Librarian I'll explain that again 21:07 Space_Librarian gtk 21:05 rangi yep, theres no way to stop it .. its a function of IE + requiring login 21:05 mbalmer I took a note. 21:05 mbalmer cait, I will eventually. 21:04 Space_Librarian I've tried to explain that, but IE is the preferred browser of 80% of our users 21:04 cait mbalmer: you could send a patch to make it do that :) 21:04 mbalmer should set autocomplete to off 21:04 mbalmer the new patron web page has a form to query username and password, and that shouls 21:04 rangi especially those ones :) 21:03 ibeardslee starting with the ones on L2? 21:03 jcamins Hehe. 21:03 rangi we could make the login a get, but then we'd get hacked in 2 minutes and stabbed by every sysadmin in the world 21:02 jcamins Ah. 21:02 rangi its ie does not remember post data 21:02 rangi that page never expires 21:02 rangi its not the page expiry 21:01 jcamins rangi: can you make pages expire a little further in the future? 21:01 rangi thats the browser doing that, there really is no way to stop that im afraid :( 21:01 jcamins Space_Librarian: not much you can do about that. 21:00 Brooke it's like fruitcake 21:00 rangi yes, IE is crap 21:00 Brooke ahhh that's the worst kind 21:00 Space_Librarian and what Brooke said! 21:00 jcamins Yeah, this was a gift. 21:00 Space_Librarian Okay. so the cgi-bin seems to be working, but we're still getting this, if we push the back button in IE navigation... http://screencast.com/t/z7Kfi0KSlO8 21:00 Brooke Bailey's or naught! 21:00 jcamins This is a different kind of irish cream than I'm used to. 20:59 Brooke doh 20:59 jcamins Space_Librarian: I'm thinking that might be it... it still tastes good, but I did notice that there was a lot more boiling going on than there usually is. 20:59 Brooke stick with the chambord or grand marnier son 20:58 Space_Librarian jcamins: you curdled the irish cream? 20:58 jcamins I should have let it cool down some. 20:58 * Space_Librarian has done what the elders have suggested 20:58 jcamins I added the irish cream too early. 20:58 * cait likes toffee 20:57 * jcamins bets he knows what went wrong with the fudge... 20:55 cait make the link start with /cgi.... 20:55 cait Space_Librarian: follow jcamin's suggestion 20:55 rangi what by? 20:55 * Space_Librarian very, very confused 20:54 rangi because if you ever change url .. you dont have to go changing all links 20:54 rangi in general relative links (without the http://site/) are better 20:53 Space_Librarian yep 20:52 rangi and the main one 20:52 Space_Librarian yep 20:52 rangi opacnav 20:52 rangi in the sysprefs 20:52 Space_Librarian rangi, what should I be doing to fix it? 20:52 rangi yep 20:52 jcamins rangi: shouldn't changing all the links to /cgi-bin/koha/... fix that issue? 20:51 rangi cookies are domain based 20:51 rangi then hit a link to the other, you will get prompted to login again 20:51 rangi if you login to one 20:51 rangi what im saying is 20:51 rangi opacpublic is off 20:51 rangi they will 20:50 Brooke both prompt logins for me 20:49 rangi it all depends what url you want ppl to use .. pick one .... :-) 20:48 rangi then the cookie is set to that, not nzica.mykoha.co.nz so that would prompt a new login 20:48 rangi if they logged in to that 20:48 rangi oh library.nzica.com 20:47 jcamins Space_Librarian: just for fun, try changing the links to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl 20:47 mbalmer edinburgh will be fun. cheap flights from .ch 20:44 pastebot "Space_Librarian" at 202.27.78.250 pasted "OpacUserMain and OpacNav" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/307 20:44 jcamins :) 20:44 jcamins Heh. 20:44 * cait would still prefer jcamins to fudge 20:44 cait heh 20:44 * Brooke is jealous of Owen. 20:44 cait seal it 20:44 cait hmmm 20:44 jcamins Who doesn't know yet. 20:44 jcamins cait: by way of oleonard. 20:44 cait really? 20:44 cait you are planning to send that toffee to marseille? 20:43 mbalmer I look forward to Koha and fish in marseille.. 20:43 cait ! 20:43 jcamins cait: yes... I heard there's a hackfest there. 20:43 wahanui Marseille is a very contrasted city, some parts are gorgeous, other parts are... well... not so 20:43 cait Marseille? 20:43 jcamins I mean, I don't think that's quite how toffee is supposed to be made, but it works. 20:43 Brooke XD 20:43 jcamins Looks like Marseille is getting toffee. 20:42 jcamins Now that it's cooled down, it is remarkably toffee-like. 20:42 Brooke cooking > baking 20:42 jcamins Well, this is toffee. 20:40 Space_Librarian mmmm fudge 20:40 Brooke fudge is srs buisnass 20:40 Brooke now you're just leading tech support on, jcamins :P 20:40 jcamins I came back and reported it was seized after I'd spent a while trying to save it. ;) 20:40 jcamins Brooke: too late! 20:39 Brooke bringing us back to don't try to save seized choc or you're gonna wanna tear yer hair out :P 20:38 jcamins Space_Librarian: yup. 20:38 jcamins Brooke: I tried that because it had seized. It was already seized when I tried that, and I figured I couldn't make it worse. ;) 20:38 Brooke that's retarded. 20:38 jcamins Space_Librarian: what's the link that requires a new login look like? 20:38 Space_Librarian We have it in a nav box on the left, and in the centre box - it's identical. The left one doesn't cause mass destruction, whereas the centre one does. And it's exactly the same url 20:37 Space_Librarian It's one. 20:37 Brooke is it just one URL or many? 20:36 Space_Librarian cait: the url causing the problems? 20:36 Brooke because you basically treated the sugar crystalisation like you were making toffee or salt water candy 20:36 Brooke yeah if you beat the dickens out of it, there's your problem 20:36 cait Space_Librarian: what does your link look like? 20:36 cait Space_Librarian: sorry misunderstood 20:35 jcamins Brooke: I tried, after it had hit softball stage, but it was kind of... unwilling to be beaten. 20:35 Space_Librarian and they're not on the staff client 20:35 cait Space_Librarian: oh 20:35 Brooke did you beat the dickens out of it (I assume not since this woulda happened before...) 20:35 Space_Librarian cait: it's not an issue for me, it's an issue for the patrons 20:35 jcamins Space_Librarian: nothing particularly out of the ordinary. 20:35 Space_Librarian what did you do? 20:35 jcamins Weird. 20:35 Space_Librarian that is weird 20:35 Brooke yes I do now 20:35 jcamins You see? 20:34 jcamins Yeah. 20:34 Space_Librarian that is weird 20:34 Brooke that's like air got into the sugar 20:34 Space_Librarian so it's almost like a toffee 20:34 Brooke oh that's weird 20:34 Brooke which is like a ridiculous combo 20:34 jcamins Space_Librarian: it's stiff, but there is no setting going on. It's very chewy, and generally peculiar. 20:34 Brooke I <3 guittard because it's wonderful on the tastebuds and incredibly forgiving 20:33 jcamins Brooke: must've been the pan. 20:33 Brooke or the pan? 20:33 Brooke did the humidity in the area do summat weird? 20:33 jcamins Brooke: I guess so, but it's really weird. 20:33 mbalmer sip is quite fast to my surprise 20:33 cait Space_Librarian: that's like it is then. if you are logged in for staff, you are not automatically also logged in into the opac 20:32 Space_Librarian how did your fudge seize? 20:32 Brooke trust me. 20:32 Brooke it's the chocolate passing blame to the fudge dude 20:32 Brooke Sur La Table has guittard 20:32 jcamins It's not set, it's seized. 20:32 Space_Librarian yep. I did all the lists in the opac though 20:32 jcamins It's the fudge. 20:32 jcamins Brooke: this is the weird thing... it's not the *chocolate* that's seized up. 20:32 cait you have to log in once for staff once for opac probably 20:32 cait Space_Librarian: separate url's for staff and opac right? 20:32 jcamins Hehe. 20:31 wahanui hmmm... the link is wrong. 20:31 jcamins Space_Librarian: what's the link? 20:31 jcamins Space_Librarian: the link is wrong. 20:31 Brooke summat ye'd wanna drink 20:31 Brooke or grand marnier 20:31 Brooke like chambord 20:31 Brooke or a wee bit of alcohol 20:31 Space_Librarian sounds good right about now 20:31 Brooke sometimes warm milk will let you get away with redrum 20:31 Space_Librarian mmmm. chocolate 20:31 Space_Librarian So. Once you login to the opac, there's a url to take you to the public lists (don't ask, this is just they way the want it). So you click on this link, and it askes you to login again. You do, and it takes you to the lists. That's cool. But everytime you want to go backto that url. It asks you to login. Not a timeout issue. What's with that? 20:31 Brooke if you absolutely must 20:31 Brooke don't try and rescue seized chocolate, you're prolly gonna wanna just rip your hair out 20:30 Brooke way to go mbalmer 20:30 Brooke you have to seduce wood into doing what you want, and when you succeed, naught beats it 20:30 mbalmer today was a cool day. got really far with sip. 20:30 Brooke wood is AWESOME but it is so freggin picky 20:29 * Brooke cheats with chocolate and uses the microwave 20:29 jcamins Gas or wood is the way to go. 20:29 jcamins Always an absolute disaster. 20:29 jcamins I tried making fudge on electric a few times. 20:29 jcamins Brooke: yeah, electric is awful. 20:29 Brooke (good because Electric is proprietary bs.) 20:29 jcamins I've made lots of fudge here before. 20:29 Space_Librarian not cool 20:29 jcamins Gas. 20:29 jcamins cait: it's seized up. 20:29 Brooke is your platform gas or electric? 20:28 jcamins cait: no, but it's kind of peculiar. 20:28 Brooke we need specifics. 20:28 Brooke what version of fudge are you on 20:28 cait jcamins_away: my irish cream fudge? 20:28 Space_Librarian :p 20:28 cait jcamins_away: you ate it all? 20:28 Space_Librarian ? 20:28 Space_Librarian It was replaced with a couple of strong porters 20:28 * jcamins_away has *no* idea. 20:27 jcamins_away What happened to this batch of fudge? 20:27 Space_Librarian so. riddle me this, you fine people. 20:21 * Space_Librarian goes to tinker. 20:19 Brooke pretty soon you have dancing staff. 20:19 Brooke you get Pippa to call by with 3 slices of cheese and a clicker. 20:19 jcamins_away How one teaches that without a weapon I'm not entirely sure. :( 20:18 jcamins_away If you teach them to log in first thing, then open a new window to do all their work in (and close the first one), that problem will go away. 20:18 * Brooke gets back in the rocking chair on the porch. 20:18 Brooke because we've a boatload of preferences now 20:18 Brooke took me a sec to find it 20:18 jcamins_away ^^ that will help a bit, though. 20:18 Brooke Login>Administration>System Preferences > Login Options > Timeout 20:18 jcamins_away There's nothing you can do to avoid that. If they hit back to go back past the login page, they'll lose their session. 20:17 jcamins_away Got it. 20:17 Space_Librarian if you're using the browser buttons things fall off 20:17 jcamins_away Oh. 20:17 Space_Librarian using the buttons in koha 20:16 jcamins_away Heh. 20:15 Brooke because it's never going to be perfect. 20:15 Brooke jcamins: as long as your half arsed jorb is better than the last half arsed jorb, things are marginally better 20:15 jcamins_away Internal nav? 20:15 Space_Librarian it's fine with internal nav, but people don't use the internal nav 20:14 jcamins_away Brooke: If you can do a bad job, do it, then the next owners will have to redo it? 20:14 Space_Librarian Brooke: how do you set the timeout? 20:14 * Brooke applies the Home Repair Rule to cataloguing. 20:14 cait but we don't use that subfields 20:14 Brooke half of MARC and cataloguing is close enough 20:14 cait there are additional subfields for language and country cods 20:13 cait I think it is quite close 20:13 cait ok 20:13 jcamins_away When I asked magnuse, he said it was close enough. 20:09 cait but does all content come from the same fields? was not sure about that 20:09 cait I checked the 773 documentation 20:09 jcamins_away cait: it does. 20:09 Brooke hey cait :D 20:09 cait hi Brooke 20:09 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 20:09 cait @later tell magnuse - I need your help :) can you tell me if 773 is using the same fields subfields than marc21 does? :) 20:04 Brooke so whip yer coworkers until they cooperate 20:04 Brooke and I find Koha on anything but firefox pretty durn frustrating 20:04 Brooke it was annoying 20:04 Brooke because before I set that to like a jillion 20:04 Brooke is it the timeout jiggermawhatsit 20:04 * Space_Librarian is still bemused by muppets 20:03 Space_Librarian jcamins_away: yes, expiring links/return to loging page, etc - depends on whether you're using IE/Chrome/Firefox 20:03 huginn Brooke: The operation succeeded. 20:03 Brooke @later tell druthb remind me to tell you my macho gym story 19:58 Brooke have fun moving 19:58 Brooke oh sweet 19:58 jcamins_away Or it might be a week before. 19:58 jcamins_away That might be the day that we move. 19:57 ibeardslee as the short segment 19:57 ibeardslee no, it was Pigs in Space 19:55 Brooke I just remember Pigs in Space, but it could easily be a misremembrance 19:54 ibeardslee http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158811/ 19:54 ibeardslee Muppets in Space was the short segment 19:54 ibeardslee .. actually Muppet From Space 19:53 jcamins_away Told you there was a movie by that title! :D 19:53 ibeardslee Space_Librarian: I have it at home, shall bring it in for next time you pop in to BoC 19:53 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: neither do I. 19:53 jcamins_away Expiring links? 19:50 * Space_Librarian is fighting some serious fires with Koha, lists, and expiring links. 19:49 Space_Librarian don't know the movie... 19:48 Brooke kia ora 19:48 * cait waves 19:48 cait :) 19:46 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: yes, isn't that the name of the movie? "Muppets in space"? 19:46 Space_Librarian muppets?! 19:46 * jcamins_away also pictures muppets in space suits carrying books. :) 19:46 * Space_Librarian looks at wizzyrea_away, making sure she's nowhere near the time machine. 19:45 * Space_Librarian walks out of her TARDIS and locks it. 19:43 * jcamins_away thinks "Liiibraariaaaaaannnnnnnssss iiiiiiiinnnnn spaaaaaaaace" every time you sign in. 19:08 cait :( 19:08 jcamins Ticket prices are outrageous... last time I was there, I could buy *two* round-trip tickets for the price of one ticket for the summer. 19:08 mbalmer I think we already booked flights for edinburgh 19:08 cait hmf :( 19:08 jcamins :( 19:08 jcamins cait: me too, though it's hard to see how. 19:07 * cait still hopes he will be in scotland 19:07 mbalmer ok 19:07 jcamins mbalmer: nope. 19:07 mbalmer jcamins, will you be in marseillle? 19:06 cait thx jcamins :) 19:05 wahanui well, unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation 19:05 jcamins unimarc? 19:02 mbalmer so maybe, oneday, who knows, it will be opensource ;) 19:00 jcamins Right. 19:00 mbalmer I know, and if that leads to a better SIP server, I also profit. 18:59 jcamins mbalmer: it's not that it's needed, it's that making it open source means that others might be able to make use of your work. 18:58 mbalmer and if absolutely needed, I think I can make my C SIP library open source under the GPL. 18:57 * mbalmer tamed SIP 18:56 mbalmer today was a good day 18:56 mbalmer re 18:33 cait don't deserve karma 18:33 * cait is a lazy cait 18:33 druthb n meanie cait won't tell me *why*... 18:33 * druthb got hmpfed, and doesn't know why. 18:31 druthb what? 18:31 cait hmpf 18:31 druthb cait++ 18:31 druthb jcamins++ 18:31 cait jcamins++ 18:30 jcamins o/ 18:30 cait hiya ruth :) 18:28 druthb o/ 18:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records 18:25 jcamins bug 6831 17:25 jcamins Though bug 7671 *is* a good one. 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7617 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Authority search results should optionally be sorted by system order 17:25 jcamins *Bug 7617 17:24 jcamins But 7617, sorry. 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7671 major, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, ASSIGNED , add a real primary key "id" in accountlines 17:24 cait bug 7671 17:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers 17:21 jcamins bug 7700 16:46 cait yay! 16:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3216 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , UNIMARC author facets 16:46 jcamins I can sign off on bug 3216! 16:45 jcamins Yay! git.biblibre.com is back! 16:20 * jcamins thinks pundits are always wrong. 16:20 Oak hmm. 16:20 jcamins They also claimed it was the end of the manuscript, and the century after the introduction of the printing press was the high point in manuscript production. 16:19 jcamins Oak: doomsayers claimed that people stopped thinking for themselves. 16:19 * jcamins didn't read the article just now, but I think that I read it before. 16:14 Oak how? :) 16:13 jcamins Yup. 16:12 Oak what do you mean? they said printing press will make us stupid? 16:09 jcamins They said that about the printing press, too. 16:08 Oak http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/07/is-google-making-us-stupid/6868/ 15:37 seneca Thanks for everyone's help! 15:37 mbalmer but the code is still very young, I only started today. 15:36 mbalmer A SIP library is not competitive advantage for our product, it's how we use SIP that makes it unique, I guess. 15:36 mbalmer I have no objections. 15:35 jcamins You should consider it. 15:35 mbalmer s/linsip/libsip/ 15:34 mbalmer it's a Unix library, linsip, and a lua module 'sip'. and maybe a command line tool 'sipctl'. 15:33 mbalmer no plans for opensource yet. but the C client and Lua interface could possibly be released as opensource. 15:33 jcamins It seems like a C client like this would greatly simplify testing SIP. 15:33 jcamins Are you planning on releasing this as open source? 15:32 jcamins Ah. 15:32 mbalmer but Koha is my SIP testbed, that is how I came to Koha in the first place. By sheer accident we are now promoting Koha itself in Switzerland ;) 15:32 mbalmer that will not be part of Koha, obviously. 15:30 mbalmer our point of sale and self check systems are largely written in Lua(or rather, are scriptable in Lua) 15:30 jcamins What exactly will be the use of a lua interface? 15:29 jcamins Yup. 15:29 mbalmer that's a bot, right? 15:29 mbalmer byte fiddling in C. and in the end I will have a nice Lua interface to SIP and Koha 15:29 jcamins mbalmer: I was trying to get wahanui to chime in. 15:29 mbalmer exactly ;) 15:28 jcamins interesting? 15:28 cait you mean it makes it more... interesting 15:26 mbalmer ok, fields can come in any order, that complicates bits a bit. 15:26 seneca as I'm still registering about 23 sessions per minute 15:26 seneca and I'm going to look into that cronjob that truncates the sessions table every night 15:25 seneca I've got a really restrictive robots.txt in place now, so I hope that will save some space/bandwidth 15:25 jcamins seneca: a good idea. 15:25 seneca to ensure that if it happens again, I only need to deal with one table, not the entire db 15:25 cait Sorry, 'JEDI' may be misspelled or may be a proper noun! !!! 15:25 seneca and I even did this: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/innodb-multiple-tablespaces.html 15:24 seneca worked great 15:24 seneca however, the steps here: http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?35,121880,121886 15:24 seneca I was able to truncate the sessions table, but - as is expected, I guess - the db didn't shrink to a smaller size 15:24 mbalmer well, I _have_ a working SIP client now. 15:23 mbalmer took a note of those bug numbers 15:23 cait mbalmer: the problem with sip patches is that it's hard to find someone testing them 15:23 jcamins mbalmer: yeah, so you'll have a working testbed. 15:23 seneca my super-huge db was due to the sessions table 15:23 seneca b/c I know you're dying to find out ;) 15:23 mbalmer I am working on a C client implememtation, fwiw, jcamins 15:22 seneca OK, update for everyone 15:22 jcamins mbalmer: you should sign off on bugs 3638 and 6273, since you're working on SIP. 15:20 mbalmer ah crap, the SIP response to "patron status" sent by Koha is in the wrong order (violates SIP spec imo) 15:00 jcamins Better, anyway. 15:00 huginn jcamins: Karma for "ssl" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. 15:00 jcamins @karma ssl 15:00 jcamins SSL-- 15:00 huginn jcamins: Karma for "ssl" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 15:00 jcamins @karma ssl 15:00 jcamins SSL-- 15:00 jcamins Oh, BTW... 15:00 jcamins Thanks. 14:59 * cait sends cookies 14:59 jcamins I think eythian attached the wrong patch. :( 14:57 jcamins cait: that's the plan. 14:57 cait make robin fix it? 14:57 jcamins (and, yes, it deserves a "finally managed to figure out how to test";) 14:57 cait ouch 14:56 jcamins I *finally* managed to figure out how to test it, and it doesn't work! 14:56 jcamins That's the one. 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Failed QA , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates 14:56 jcamins Bug 6296 14:56 jcamins No. 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6926 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , overdue_notices don't send itemcount to notification 14:56 jcamins mbalmer: I've been trying to test bug 6926 for the last 24 hours. 14:56 cait didn't gt it working? 14:56 mbalmer ?? 14:56 jcamins That was just depressing. 14:55 * jcamins sighs. 14:53 mbalmer s/that/than/ 14:53 mbalmer anyway, got further with my C SIP implementation that I thought. 14:53 jcamins mbalmer: unpleasant. 14:52 mbalmer that would be like operating a library over SIP insteaf of using the staff client….. 14:50 cait hm 14:44 * jcamins prefers not to do his web browsing by reading HTML source. 14:44 jcamins Fancier, but it's still a command line tool for retrieving things over HTTP. 14:44 jcamins cait: it's like wget. 14:44 wahanui i think curl is pretty slick :-) 14:44 cait what is curl? 14:44 cait hm 14:43 jcamins Koha is not particularly curl-friendly. 14:43 jcamins When it doesn't work, your only option is to use curl. 14:43 jcamins Basically all the instructions come down to "and then everything will work." 14:42 jcamins You know, SSL is possibly the worst-designed technology I have ever had the misfortune of using. 14:41 cait :) 14:33 mbalmer I can now scan a patron card at the _point of sale terminal_ and it retrieves patron information using SIP. that's a great start. 14:32 mbalmer friendly Koha ;) 14:32 cait seems to be no problem, the machines ignore it 14:32 cait mbalmer: I think it always did that 14:25 mbalmer when requesting patron information over SIP, Koha sets field AF to "Greetings from Koha". 14:25 seneca another db question while I work on blocking the google bot: I've truncated the sessions table but didn't get any filesystem space back. Is there a way to do get it back from the db? 14:25 mbalmer ahah... 14:24 seneca hehe 14:23 jcamins seneca: Scrabble has taken #koha by storm. ;) 14:23 seneca oh...:) 14:21 cait sorry :) 14:21 cait wrong window :) 14:18 seneca I'm not sure what you mean 14:17 cait did you play clean? 14:17 cait I don't think yo have 14:17 cait no 14:16 seneca Those crawlers that will pay attention to it will just start paying attention to it, I think... 14:16 seneca Am I thinking correctly: I don't have to do anything to "activate" a robots.txt file, right? 14:15 seneca probably ;) 14:15 cait or kick it out? 14:15 cait can you block it? 14:15 cait hm 14:15 seneca 113 sessions in about 4 minutes 14:15 seneca still am connected to that google bot, and the sessions are still growing... 14:15 cait did it help? 14:14 seneca just to test 14:14 seneca OK, went for the sample robots.txt that blocks everything 14:03 cait in the main directory I think 14:03 cait there is a sample file 14:03 cait hm 14:03 seneca where should the robots.txt go? 14:03 seneca that explains it 14:03 seneca ah 14:03 jcamins Nope. 14:03 jcamins seneca: every connection creates a session. 14:03 seneca I was thinking sessions were only logins 14:02 seneca should that be generating sessions? 14:02 seneca that ip seems to be a google bot 14:02 seneca ha! 14:01 seneca hmm... 14:00 cait I wonder if activating a robots.txt would help? 14:00 cait paul_p mentioned they had massive problems with bots the last few weeks 13:59 jcamins I have no idea what it could be, but that's a big problem. 13:59 seneca but that's it 13:58 seneca I have an established connection to a "66.249.71.147:47278" 13:58 jcamins Yes, I think so. 13:58 seneca guess I found a problem! 13:58 jcamins Run netstat. 13:58 jcamins Wow! 13:57 seneca now 29 13:57 seneca then 19 13:57 seneca but it's growing... first check after truncated shows 5 rows 13:57 cait seneca: bots 13:57 seneca truncated it... 13:57 seneca ok 13:56 jcamins Hopefully it will work. 13:56 jcamins Yeah. 13:56 seneca I should certainly truncate it, though 13:56 seneca odd 13:56 seneca We've only been running this install for a couple of years, and we're a school of about 500 users... 13:55 seneca I think that's more sessions than possible... 13:55 cait seneca: there is a cronjob you can use to clean it every night 13:54 seneca that seems ridiculously high 13:54 seneca yeah 13:54 seneca ha! 13:54 seneca 8353708 rows 13:53 seneca let me check the rows... 13:53 seneca I see 13:53 seneca hmmm 13:53 jcamins_away seneca: it will be every session ever, if you haven't been truncating regularly. 13:53 seneca I think I know how to check the number of rows...should there only be active logins in the sessions table? 13:52 jcamins_away Truncate it. 13:52 jcamins_away Almost certainly sessions table. 13:52 seneca we're a school and it's a weekend, so I'm not too worried about that. ;) 13:51 seneca at you installation? 13:51 cait you could just truncate it - but it will log out all current users 13:51 cait we clean the sessiont able every night 13:51 cait not sure about seeing sizes 13:50 seneca ...or a way to see the sizes of individual tables in a db? 13:49 seneca That's what I was thinking. Is there a way to clear the session table? 13:48 cait hm not so likely then 13:48 seneca there's only about 21k items... 13:48 seneca Maybe it just got that big naturally? 13:47 seneca I have to admit, though, that I wasn't really paying attention to how big it was before I left... 13:47 cait session table perhaps? 13:47 cait oh 13:47 seneca It seems my koha db is ~23GB - it has grown so much it has filled the filesystem and crashed mysqld. 13:46 seneca At least, I think that's what happened. 13:46 seneca anyone ever have their mysql db grow very large in a short time? 13:46 seneca <-- just got back from Italy. :) 13:46 cait hi seneca 13:45 seneca Buongiorno! 13:13 mbalmer two nice C functions help with SIP: sip_printf() and sip_scanf() 12:28 mbalmer I wonder if my SIP implementation will also work with a Sunrise system.. 12:19 cait :) 12:19 cait Oak: hello Oak 12:18 mbalmer hah! got the checksumming right, Koha responds properly to my SIP SC Status message 12:18 Oak hello cait. 11:31 cait sure :) 11:31 mbalmer tnx for the hint 11:30 cait mbalmer: perhaps look for feepaid in bugzilla - the fee payment support is rather new and might not support the whole standard 11:29 mbalmer now let's see if I can scan the patron card at the POS terminal and retrieve patron status and due fees from Koha .. 11:22 cait cool 11:19 mbalmer SIP login from C program to Koha already works.. 08:58 mbalmer found 3M Standard Interchange Protocol V2.00 08:57 cait 3m and sip2 08:57 cait it's in google 08:57 mbalmer hmm, aynone knows a URL to the SIP2 specification? 08:51 mbalmer I hope to get www.arcapos.de working with Koha one day. 08:50 cait yeah, obviously 08:49 mbalmer <institution> in SIPconfig.xml must match the branch code of the library 08:48 mbalmer Hah! Victory! : Login OK. Initiating SIP 08:47 cait it's always what you make of it 08:47 mbalmer now to set permissions on a patron. sigh, why is this sunday so brutal to me ;) 08:46 mbalmer aha, it get's betterer 08:43 mbalmer So I must create a stadd user apparently, so lets find out how to do that 08:40 cait jenkins 08:39 cait hm 08:29 cait I think without test data it's hard to tell if oyu can 08:29 cait and I can't find the page in the old manual about setting up the sip user 08:29 mbalmer and I don't want to checkout/checkin, but to pay fees (point of sales terminal for self service) 08:28 cait I am not sure what you are trying to do 08:28 mbalmer I have no real client yet. 08:27 cait could you check out? 08:27 cait I don't think it really worked 08:26 mbalmer so why did term1 work when I don't have a patron with that name? 08:26 cait so it needs permissions 08:26 cait it acts as a staff member 08:26 cait I do that too 08:26 cait yes 08:26 mbalmer wait, I am still talking about the machine's account. the one needed to get to the SIP server, not the account of the patron. 08:25 cait circulate and catalog? perhaps staff access? 08:25 cait does the user have circulation permissions? 08:25 cait what data did you enter? 08:24 mbalmer strange 08:23 cait or with the user 08:23 cait then there is something wrong in the data you entered 08:23 mbalmer that machine account, defined in SIPconfig.xml does not worl. 08:22 cait Ich denke wir reden aneinander vorbei 08:22 mbalmer s/too/to/ 08:22 cait yes 08:22 mbalmer it's that machine account that I was referring, too. 08:22 cait yeah, you put that data in the config file 08:21 cait I would just make it both the same - cardnumber and username 08:21 mbalmer yes, but that is in the SIP protocol. before I can use SIP, the machine has to authtnticate itself at the SIPserver 08:21 cait patrons authenticate with cardnumber + password, I am not totally sure about the sip user for the machine 08:20 cait or not sure 08:20 cait you need cardnumber and password 08:20 cait thinking about it 08:20 cait hm 08:20 mbalmer ah! 08:20 cait opac login 08:20 cait scroll down 08:20 cait you need username and password 08:20 cait no 08:20 cait and perhaps catalog 08:20 mbalmer an in the staff client (de-DE) "Nachname" is the patron name? 08:20 cait circulate I think 08:19 cait and your sip patron user needs some permissions 08:19 cait yes 08:19 mbalmer well, I create a patron 'arcapos' in the staff client, then I create that as an account in SIPconfig.xml? 08:18 cait ? 08:18 mbalmer and with the same name as the patron? 08:18 cait and enter the login data for that patron into your sip config 08:18 cait you have to add a patron account with some permissions 08:18 mbalmer oh, btw, yes I have a patron. 08:18 cait a staffmember 08:18 cait ys 08:17 mbalmer but isn't the login I define in <accounts> in SIPconfig.xml for the machine? 08:17 cait ok, that's a bug perhaps, but it can't work 08:17 mbalmer but it should not output "invalid login" then Login OK. 08:17 cait the sip acts as a staff member 08:17 cait for the sip 08:17 cait you need one 08:17 cait ah 08:16 mbalmer no patrons yet on my development system 08:16 cait do you have a patron in koha with permissions for circulating? 08:16 cait we use it in 2 libraries 08:16 cait it works 08:16 cait no 08:16 cait hm 08:16 mbalmer I guess it has bugs.. 08:16 mbalmer Login OK. Initiating SIP 08:16 mbalmer Invalid login 08:16 mbalmer password: term1 08:16 mbalmer login: term1 08:12 mbalmer I found the config file. The docs on the wiki are abit wrong, but still useful 08:11 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_SIP2_server_setup 08:11 cait I think 08:11 cait mbalmer: yes, in themanuasl 08:04 mbalmer are there any docs how to configure and activate the SIP2 server? 07:52 wahanui morning is a state of mind. 07:52 mbalmer morning! 07:52 cait morning mbalmer 07:52 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 07:51 cait @later tell paul_p I tried using the sanboxes to verify a bug - but don't know how to login? 07:45 * cait hands jenkins the duct tape 07:45 cait hm 07:11 cait hi dgl-library 07:05 dgl-library hi cait 07:03 cait hi #koha 06:10 ibeardslee I think I might spend a wee bit of time working out how to tune those ubuntu install instructions 05:48 dgl-library Do I need to set up a field for (koha's) Item Type in the Marc frameworks? 04:53 dgl-library afk 04:53 dgl-library I've been telling everyone here that I'm getting help from other koha users elsewhere in the world and they're amazed 04:52 dgl-library ok thanks 04:51 bag yes 04:50 dgl-library as for barcode scanners, I've been reading the reviews on amazon, and I'm looking at one that's rated well, but when it sends the barcode number, by default it sends [ENTER KEY] at the end. is that the preferred koha behavior? 04:49 dgl-library fantastic. that makes things easier. 04:48 bag nope you can use preprinted - then print your own - then go back to preprinted 04:48 dgl-library also can we start out buying preprinted barcodes, and then move to printing our own? or do we basically have to use one method forever? 04:48 dgl-library that sounds good 04:47 bag yup it's called alternating 04:46 dgl-library bag: on the same sheet, a bunch at a time? 04:46 bag one barcode and then one biblio 04:46 jcamins dgl-library: right. 04:46 jcamins bag: really? I was under the impression you couldn't. 04:46 dgl-library jcamins: you buy preprinted barcodes and only print spine labels yourself 04:45 bag wait you can do alternating 04:45 jcamins I buy preprinted. 04:45 jcamins That's pretty much all I know about them. 04:45 jcamins You configure the size of the labels. 04:45 jcamins dgl-library: no they are not. They're separate. 04:45 dgl-library jcamins: Are barcodes and spine labels printed on the same sheet? And can I set the label size in Koha, or do only certain sizes (i.e. certain Avery label sheets) work properly? 04:05 jcamins I'll attach my revised patch, still unsigned-off-on, but at least Koha will function with it applied. :) 04:04 jcamins Also, there are a few bugs in it. 04:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates 04:04 jcamins I don't think I'm signing off on bug 6296, sorry. 04:04 * jcamins looks at the number of steps. 04:04 eythian yeah, that's very strange 04:04 jcamins I just think the whole thing is a little too brittle, if I can run "sudo apache2ctl restart" twice in a row, and have it work one time but not the other. 04:03 jcamins Oh, I'm sure it *works*. 04:03 eythian we have had it in production for a while now with no issues 04:03 jcamins Yeah. 04:03 eythian that's weird 04:03 jcamins 0% of the time when I enable StdEnvVars. 04:02 jcamins Apache will only start ~50% of the time with SSL enabled. 04:02 jcamins I have to tell you, I have reconsidered my consideration of using PKI/X.509 for authentication. 04:01 eythian http://www.garex.net/apache/ <-- also useful 04:01 eythian you will need to make a CA cert, and then sign the client certs using that 04:01 eythian http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/apache-2-ssltls-step-step-part-3 <-- I think I used this 04:01 jcamins Do I really have to set up my own CA? 04:00 jcamins This is the part where I get most confused. 04:00 jcamins eythian: what about the client certificate? 04:00 jcamins_away Which I haven't. 04:00 jcamins_away eythian: right. 03:59 eythian jcamins_away: it's fairly simple, at least once you've done it once :) 03:59 jcamins_away eythian: you make it sound so simple. 03:57 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 03:57 eythian @later tell jcamins it's pretty easy, you just set it up like any SSL cert for apache. 02:52 * jcamins leaves again. 02:52 jcamins All barcodes/spine labels on a sheet have to be the same size. 02:51 jcamins dgl-library: I'm not here, but you can use any barcode scanner you want, as they just act like a keyboard. 02:37 dgl-library And a question about printing spine labels and barcodes 02:31 dgl-library Is there anyone here who can answer a question about barcode scanners? 02:31 dgl-library Good morning #koha