Time Nick Message
23:43 rangi its pretty much drop in replacement afaict
23:39 rangi nope, but chris_n has i think
23:39 jcamins rangi: have you done any further testing with MariaDB?
23:20 * jcamins runs out of RAM.
23:19 * jcamins installs Ubuntu so that he doesn't sully anything but a VM with Java.
23:17 eythian though I use pdebuild for that kind of thing these days, it makes the magic work.
23:17 jcamins No, but I never learned.
23:16 eythian they're not so hard.
23:16 jcamins eythian: but I never learned how to use chroots.
23:15 eythian chroots all the way!
23:14 * jcamins can't imagine how he did anything before virtualization was practical.
21:40 rangi heh
21:39 eythian http://blog.makezine.com/2012/03/07/russian-cyclo-innovation/
21:39 eythian I see you haven't actually read it yet, it's become quite monstrous ;)
21:38 druthb thanks for an amazing piece of code, eythian. :)
21:36 druthb Okay; I'll take another swing at things with the newer code shortly.
21:35 eythian I wouldn't expect the '%' to affect anything other than itself...
21:35 rangi back
21:34 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/nzei_import <-- this branch has (I think) the latest version, it might work better.
21:33 druthb From the way I'd seen it behave, I had things in that order, and I've tried all sorts of wierd combinations of ? and % and ! to get there, but it either put everything on the first 600, or in separate tags. that second 600 never got any of it's subs other than _a
21:32 eythian e.g. put all the ones that go together in a sequence first, and then the one on its own with a '%'
21:32 eythian it runs all the mappings through in the order they're defined on the command
21:32 eythian you might be able to mess around with ordering and whether to put '%' signs in to make it work
21:30 druthb crapola. I was hopin' to avoid a custom script, as this particular CSV has 75 columns.
21:30 eythian (all the non-C ones)
21:30 eythian druthb: I don't think it can do that reliably. I'd actually expect it to be adding all the other ones to the first 600
21:29 eythian wizzyrea: it's not too bad, warming up
21:29 eythian druthb: hmm
21:28 wizzyrea rather chilly for AUTUMN, then.
21:27 wizzyrea :)
21:27 wizzyrea eythian: you are cheeky.
21:27 druthb eythian...I have four columns, A, B, C, D, in a spreadsheet, and I want to create two 600 fields out of them-- I tried --mapping=A=marc:600_a --mapping=B=marc_600_e --mapping=C=600_a% --mapping=D=600_e, but that didn't fly. Got the first one right, but all entries after C created a new tag, not added to the second 600.
21:27 eythian wizzyrea: autumn
21:27 wahanui i guess winter is almost gone! I already need the fan on
21:27 wizzyrea winter?
21:27 wahanui hmmm... winteR is almost gone! I already need the fan on
21:27 wizzyrea winteR?
21:27 wizzyrea what do you call the chilly-ish time between summer and winter?
21:27 eythian later jcamins_away
21:26 jcamins_away (I'll probably be back in an hour or two)
21:26 jcamins_away Time to head home. So long, #koha.
21:26 eythian We don't have fall here
21:26 wizzyrea late summer, I guess
21:26 wizzyrea rather chilly for fall eh
21:25 bag oh rangi that's a win ;)
21:25 huginn bag: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
21:25 bag @wunder wellington nz
21:25 * Space_Librarian really needs coffee.
21:25 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 21.9°C (12:38 PM PST on March 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Falling).
21:25 bag @wunder 93109
21:25 bag no worries it's still Thursday ;)
21:25 huginn Space_Librarian: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides>
21:24 Space_Librarian @dice d20
21:24 Space_Librarian (apologies for a impending segue into Friday madness)
21:24 eythian druthb: what's up?
21:03 Shane-S I will be fixing a mistake in a patch, hopefully tonight, so I might be on if you are still here and/or have questions
21:03 Shane-S no problem, I just saw your comment to the bug and didn't know if you tried, wanted to check before I left work :)
21:02 wizzyrea sorry
21:02 wizzyrea you know I haven't even looked at it yet >.<
21:02 Shane-S wizzyrea: were you able to get the style sheets working without breaking the paid book covers?
20:41 rangi My stop
20:37 rangi Man this bus is slow
20:26 wahanui kf is probably cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
20:26 druthb kf?
20:25 cait hmpf
20:25 Space_Librarian hahaha :D
20:25 druthb lulz
20:25 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :)
20:25 druthb cait?
20:24 * Space_Librarian snerks
20:24 * cait shakes her head
20:24 wahanui Space_Librarian is, like, a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know
20:24 Space_Librarian wahanui: Space_Librarian?
20:24 * druthb nods.
20:24 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
20:24 druthb wahanui: druthb?
20:24 druthb thanx, Space_Librarian.
20:23 sturmtruppen hi everyone
20:23 Space_Librarian druthb, I think it's big mouth or something, yeah
20:22 mbalmer and is near to the old harbour, which is nice.
20:22 mbalmer it has very good ratings and is nearby
20:22 druthb isn't "wahanui" the Maori word for "loudmouth" or something like? or "obnoxious mother-in-law", or... I don't remember
20:22 mbalmer no, Newhotel Vieux Port.
20:21 cait mbalmer: so are not staying at hotel moderne?
20:21 rangi On the bus
20:21 mbalmer it has a strange name, though.
20:20 oleonard wahanui is asking for a date I think
20:20 mbalmer booked my hotel in Marseille, 20 minutes by foot from the hackroom.
20:20 huginn Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on March 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Steady).
20:20 Space_Librarian @wunder wellington, nz
20:20 druthb hi, mbalmer. :)
20:20 Space_Librarian evening
20:20 cait evening
20:20 wahanui i guess evening is better for me - but not too late
20:20 mbalmer evening.
20:20 Space_Librarian druthb++
20:20 * druthb ducks
20:20 * cait giggles
20:20 druthb oleonard: I used to bulls-eye womp-rats in my T-16 back home; they're not much bigger than two meters.
20:20 cait oleonard++
20:19 oleonard It's harder to find the reload button in IE9 than it is to hit an exhaust port on the Death Star with a proton torpedo.
20:16 Space_Librarian i <3 you guys. :D
20:16 * cait feels converted
20:16 cait hm cookies
20:15 * wizzyrea pays indulgence
20:15 * Space_Librarian passes around cookies
20:15 * druthb worships.
20:15 * oleonard grovels
20:15 jcamins_away Librarians... innnnn... spaaaaace!!!!
20:15 wizzyrea :)
20:15 * druthb hails Space_Librarian!
20:15 wizzyrea if you were any other user you wouldn't see them :0
20:15 Space_Librarian :D
20:15 jcamins_away :D
20:15 wizzyrea ah that's why you see the edit and delete links
20:15 jcamins_away All hail Space_Librarian!
20:14 wahanui superlibrarian is one of the permissions
20:14 Space_Librarian and superlibrarian
20:14 Space_Librarian I am the creator
20:11 wahanui well, superlibrarian is one of the permissions
20:11 cait superlibrarian?
20:09 wizzyrea (you might try looking with a different user)
20:09 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: are you the creator of all of those lists?
20:09 oleonard Space_Librarian: Back to your question about lists, I don't see where someone other than the creator sees a delete or edit link
20:02 Space_Librarian But, we all know how broken IE is.
20:02 Space_Librarian it also works in Firefox
20:00 oleonard Space_Librarian: So in this case the question is why the custom CSS works in Chrome and not IE
19:59 Space_Librarian for comparison: same list in chrome. http://screencast.com/t/ILpP94u61
19:58 oleonard The lists background gradient goes from color 1 to color 2 to color 3. IE only understands 2
19:58 oleonard wizzyrea: Because IE doesn't support multiple "stops" in gradients
19:57 Space_Librarian I dunno, it's whatever they've just upgraded the work search engine to. I use chrome, so it doesn't bother me. But yeah, weird.
19:56 * wizzyrea ponders
19:56 wizzyrea wow why a horizontal gradient?
19:52 oleonard Must be a version before IE9?
19:52 Space_Librarian and re: the gradient - http://screencast.com/t/9AbDw4Dio5ik - only an issue in IE
19:50 Space_Librarian oleonard: opac
19:50 Space_Librarian the background gradients in the lists drop down has been a great cause for complaint by the IE9 users here.
19:50 oleonard Space_Librarian: OPAC or staff client?
19:49 oleonard border-radius in IE9? Fine. Background-gradients in IE9? No problem. border-radius AND background-gradients? Hah.
19:48 Space_Librarian So if somebody other than the creator clicks delete or edit on the list, nothing happens?
19:48 oleonard Cart and Lists buttons in IE9: http://screencast.com/t/tDWYJfx2O
19:48 Space_Librarian oh good.
19:47 wizzyrea ^^
19:47 oleonard Public lists are not supposed to be editable by anyone but the creator
19:47 * Space_Librarian waves around cookies to tempt answers
19:46 Space_Librarian quick question. Is there any way to lock a public list so that only librarians can edit them?
19:46 oleonard Hah, IE9 finally gives us support for border-radius and even then it's broken.
19:05 jcamins_away My inclination, if that's the case, is to say that the bug fix is only available in 3.6.5+
19:02 jcamins_away chris_n: I haven't tried yet, but I suspect backporting it to 3.4.x is going to be problematic.
19:01 jcamins_away chris_n: okay, I will attach the 3.6.x patches when I can.
19:01 chris_n jcamins_away: that'll be fine
18:56 rangi using Test::WWW::Mechanize
18:56 jcamins_away Makes sense.
18:56 rangi but i wanted something biggish so when i get time i can get jenkins to load test too
18:55 rangi anonymised, and with the sample data added
18:55 rangi (the db was originally hlt's)
18:55 jcamins_away Wow!
18:55 rangi im up to 27k
18:55 cait rangi++ jcamins++ :)
18:55 jcamins_away rangi: how many?
18:54 rangi t
18:54 rangi holy crap, there are way more authorities in here than i though
18:48 jcamins_away chris_n: for the rebase of 7284 on 3.6.x, do you want me to squash the four patches together?
18:47 rangi indexing now
18:42 rangi ta
18:41 jcamins_away rangi: yes. Here's the list: http://paste.koha-community.org/304
18:40 rangi jcamins_away: do i need to copy some files from git for the zebra stuff?
18:40 rangi just the reindexing i think
18:39 cait ok
18:39 rangi ignore that cait
18:39 rangi oh yes down to 2 fails
18:39 rangi jcamins_away: if you can let me know what i have to change for zebra ill have a go at that
18:39 rangi lemme look
18:38 rangi oh maybe
18:38 * jcamins_away just remembered seeing something about that.
18:38 jcamins_away But didn't paul_p already push that?
18:37 rangi easy :)
18:37 rangi so run a test, apply patch, run test
18:37 rangi its a pod fix
18:37 rangi yeah that one
18:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
18:37 wahanui well, Bug 7284 is the first step to making that happen.
18:37 jcamins_away Bug 7284
18:35 cait bug number?
18:35 rangi its an easy peasy signoff if someone wants to try?
18:34 cait yes, it also mailed me
18:34 rangi there is a patch that fixes some of those tests on 7284
18:33 rangi hmm
18:16 cait I love the red of jenkin's messages
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6086 minor, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , adding a dynamic filter to pending holds
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7631 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Self checkout renewal fails because of reference to non-existent subroutine in sco-main.pl
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 critical, P2, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , opachiddenitems not working in master
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Change description of 952$3 in German frameworks to reflect new functionality
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7629 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file.
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7271 normal, P3, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Master , Revert getitems default sort to homebranch instead of holding branch
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gcollum, Pushed to Master , Patron category types not appearing as an <optgroup> when editing or creating a patron.
18:15 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6086 follow-up Uppercase initial coding guideline fix
18:15 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 6086: Followup: Replace \t characters with 4 spaces
18:15 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: Bug 6086 - adding a dynamic filter to pending holds
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7493 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Deleting a record with comments breaks "Recent Comments"
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Give option to use description for homebranch/holding branch in label creator instead of the branchcode
18:15 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7631 - Self checkout renewal fails because of reference to non-existent subroutine in sco-main.pl
18:15 jenkins_koha * srdjan: Bug 6488: Display OPAC search result count conditional to OpacHiddenItems syspref
18:15 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7603: Change description of 952$3 in German frameworks to reflect new functionality
18:15 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7629 - Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file
18:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7616 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused template markup for css_libs, css_module, js_libs, etc.
18:15 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 7271 - change sort in items.pm to sort by home library instead of holding branch
18:15 jenkins_koha * gcollum: Bug 7517: Revised Patch. Patron category types not displaying <optgroup> in dropdown.
18:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features
18:14 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7493 follow-up DBRev number
18:14 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7493 [REVISED] Deleting a record with comments breaks "Recent Comments"
18:14 jenkins_koha * cnighswonger: Bug 7615 - Give option to use description for homebranch/holding branch in label creator instead of the branchcode
18:14 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7616 - Remove unused template markup for css_libs, css_module, js_libs, etc.
18:14 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7584 - Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features
18:14 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #647: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/647/
17:58 slef biab dinner
17:58 cait hi slef :)
17:58 slef hi cait
17:48 cait hi #koha
17:44 jcamins_away No idea.
17:43 oleonard ...but nothing developed?
17:42 jcamins_away oleonard, yes they have.
17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1698 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, NEW , Undebar patron if all items are returned
17:42 oleonard druthb or other ByWater folks, have you had anyone ask for something like Bug 1698?
17:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #647 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 1 j 1 h ago)
17:30 druthb hi, oleonard! :D
17:30 * oleonard waves to druthb
17:29 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
17:29 druthb @later tell eythian I have a question about your csvtomarc script--trying to coax it to do something, and probably not telling it how to correctly...
17:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6086 follow-up Uppercase initial coding guideline fix <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e32e3ba66269186729be6a4eda319a9f7c84072d> / Bug 6086: Followup: Replace \t characters with 4 spaces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45ad4037c216b3b361fd96ee33f5701693f8fbb9> / Bug 6086 - adding a dynamic filter to pending holds <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko
17:18 kf bye all
17:18 kf time to leave for me too
17:15 paul_p it's time to leave for me, but i'll take care tomorrow
17:14 wizzyrea branchoverdues.pl is broken without it
17:14 wizzyrea i signed off - okk great
17:14 paul_p wizzyrea yes, i've seen you've signed off it
17:14 wizzyrea your fix for members.pm
17:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6875 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Signed Off , de-nesting C4 packages
17:14 wizzyrea bug 6875
17:14 wizzyrea 6875
17:14 paul_p sekjal feel free ;-)
17:14 wizzyrea bug .... grr the denesting one
17:14 sekjal paul_p: I'll get on making more work for you :)
17:13 wizzyrea oh, paul_p
17:13 paul_p OK, passed QA pile emptied (except for 2 that i'm waiting for some feedback/a squashed patch)
16:50 sekjal lots of Koha emails to catch up on today
16:49 sekjal hi, oleonard. going pretty well
16:48 oleonard Hi sekjal how's it going?
16:31 sturmtruppen nothing to do... no index anyway
16:29 wizzyrea lol, no.
16:28 oleonard Eating thin mints
16:28 * wizzyrea tries to remember what she was doing before she went down that rabbit hole
16:27 oleonard Cool.
16:27 wizzyrea ok, you can put that branchoverdues issue out of your mind oleonard, once paul_p or QA sees the sign off for his patch to fix it.
16:23 kf sturmtruppen: not sure how it applies to packages
16:23 wizzyrea yup, it's golden, will sign off on it.
16:23 sturmtruppen i have no feedback. now i'm reading the faq, as suggested by oleonard
16:23 kf koha-rebuild-zebra - because your record didn't get indexed
16:22 kf sturmtruppen: you might perhaps also want to run the rebuild thing
16:22 kf sturmtruppen: hmm. did you run the command and did it give you feedback?
16:20 deiv i just installed italian language on koha 3.6.4!
16:20 wizzyrea i'm about to see if it works
16:20 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea
16:19 wizzyrea at least, I think so
16:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6875 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , de-nesting C4 packages
16:19 wizzyrea oleonard: there's a patch for branchoverdues already on bug 6875
16:15 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot translations
16:15 wizzyrea forget translations
16:15 wizzyrea hm no
16:15 wahanui translations are there... And might help stoping the warnings.
16:15 wizzyrea translations?
16:15 wizzyrea deiv - yes
16:13 sturmtruppen bad things... she doesn't work... ops, I don't found the book I just allocate in the db
16:12 kf hope she doesn't have a hangover
16:12 kf lol
16:12 sturmtruppen zebra was at party yesterday night, she's still sleeping...
16:11 kf but perhaps try koha-start-zebra
16:11 kf sturmtruppen: not sure if it should autostart
16:11 deiv is it possible in 3.6.4 version to install a post installation new language?
16:11 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
16:11 sturmtruppen oh, i read about, i have to restart every time i turn off the machine, right?
16:10 sturmtruppen hi deiv
16:10 kf I think there is a command for the packages to activate zebra indexing
16:10 kf hmm
16:10 deiv hi everybody
16:10 sturmtruppen yes, i installed from packages in debian squeeze
16:09 kf heh
16:09 sturmtruppen this summer, while i'm going to legoland, i'll bring you your chocolate!
16:08 kf still waiting for my chocolate!
16:08 sturmtruppen yeap
16:08 kf (cait from Konstanz again ;) )
16:08 sturmtruppen i started yesterday with koha
16:08 kf sturmtruppen: I forgot, did you install from the packages?
16:08 oleonard http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
16:08 sturmtruppen ?
16:07 oleonard Did you look at the searching faq link?
16:07 sturmtruppen i know, you're a genius, i'm the man with problem in english ... hihihihihi!
16:07 oleonard don't worry about your spelling sturmtruppen we understand
16:06 sturmtruppen author...I just forgot my bad english...
16:05 sturmtruppen book
16:05 sturmtruppen ok, i'm very newbie
16:05 sturmtruppen koha doesn't found the bokk, but i have just inserted in te db
16:04 sturmtruppen i'll explain better... without a log in in the opac, i search a book by autor.
16:04 wizzyrea see the last one
16:04 wahanui somebody said searching faq was at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
16:04 wizzyrea searching faq?
16:03 sturmtruppen i have aproblem with the research of a record inserted in the database
16:03 wizzyrea waves*
16:03 * wizzyrea wave
16:03 sturmtruppen hi again.
16:03 reiveune bye
15:53 * wizzyrea will look at that
15:52 wizzyrea oof yea
15:52 kf denesting
15:52 kf oh
15:52 oleonard Undefined subroutine &C4::Members::checkoverdues
15:52 kf oh
15:52 wizzyrea !
15:52 oleonard Oh look, circ/branchoverdues.pl is broken.
15:51 oleonard I think here it means they can keep private what kind of information they collect and sell
15:51 * wizzyrea nods shamefully
15:51 oleonard Being an American I can only imagine what you mean by "privacy laws" :P
15:50 wizzyrea sure
15:50 kf you can demand that, as a patron
15:50 kf privacy laws
15:50 wizzyrea *nod*
15:50 kf wizzyrea: so I think it's a really good idea
15:50 kf wizzyrea: we need a way to print out all information that is stored about a patron...
15:47 wizzyrea or we need a link to print it that says "print patron summary" or somesuch
15:47 wizzyrea not when there's a giant "print" button up there.
15:46 wizzyrea because I would never ever have thought to print that detail page.
15:46 clrh gmcharlt: I have a question about a contrib repository (written in pv)
15:45 wizzyrea well we should make "print page" do that
15:43 kf wizzyrea: when you want to print out all holds, fines, detail about the patron, it's all on one page
15:43 kf wizzyrea: it's handy for printing
15:43 wizzyrea because they're "identical" (except for the fines/charges tab
15:42 wizzyrea oleonard, it occurs to me that we should make that table an include and use the same one on both the check out and detail tab
15:42 wizzyrea just click the fines tab :P
15:41 * wizzyrea still hates the "fines and charges" tab on the patron detail
15:40 wizzyrea than circulation
15:40 wizzyrea so check out would definitely be better.
15:40 wizzyrea on circ home, in the header
15:40 wizzyrea out"
15:40 wizzyrea in fact, everywhere it's called "check otu"
15:39 oleonard Good call
15:39 wizzyrea yes, exactly
15:39 wizzyrea Links to patron records point to (check out | details)
15:39 oleonard Oh, you mean "check out" instead of "circulation"
15:38 wizzyrea right, i just meant in your syspref
15:38 oleonard Sure, links which are explicitly meant for one or the other will not be changed
15:38 wizzyrea but otherwise, yes
15:38 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/allRYIakIpdE
15:37 wizzyrea it's labeled "check out"
15:37 wizzyrea well on the patron screen
15:37 oleonard Does that make sense?
15:36 oleonard "PatronDefaultView : Links to patron records point to ( circulation | patron details )"
15:30 * oleonard swoons
15:30 wizzyrea I also have the shortbread ones with chocolate on the bottom
15:29 wizzyrea ^.^
15:29 oleonard 4 tubes in one serving? Sounds right to me.
15:29 wizzyrea oh, 4 left in the tube... 4 in a serving. Coincidence?
15:28 * wizzyrea reaches for the thin mints
15:28 wizzyrea mysteries of the universe I guess.
15:28 wizzyrea is the mint in the cookie, or the chocolate I wonder.
15:28 oleonard wizzyrea: You must be a stronger person than I
15:28 kf wish it was that easy to solve the chocolate shortage
15:28 wizzyrea how i've resisted not eating every single one of them yet is beyond me
15:27 * wizzyrea has thin mints on her desk
15:27 wizzyrea ok you're forgiven.
15:27 wahanui OK, oleonard.
15:27 oleonard wahanui: chocolate is finite, but there is still some left for you
15:27 wizzyrea blasphemer!
15:27 wahanui oleonard: I forgot chocolate
15:27 oleonard wahanui: Forget chocolate
15:26 wizzyrea *nod*
15:26 wahanui i heard chocolate was finite, we ate it all :)
15:26 kf and chocolate
15:26 kf yep she does :)
15:26 wizzyrea iirc.
15:26 wizzyrea kf also loves consistency
15:26 wizzyrea will be nice to make that consistent
15:26 * kf loves system preferences ;)
15:25 wizzyrea fine by me
15:25 wizzyrea :)
15:25 oleonard I...uh...hope that's okay with everybody...
15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7680 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Create a PatronDefaultView preference to control whether patron links go to circ or patron details
15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6905 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow selecting a patron from circulation history to take you to their circ page
15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6670 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Link patron name on returns screen to circulation page instead of patron detail page
15:22 oleonard I marked Bug 6670 and Bug 6905 as dependent on a new bug, Bug 7680
15:22 oleonard That's what I'm doing now
15:21 wizzyrea ditched in favor of the unified patron view preference I guess?
15:20 wizzyrea wonder what happened with that bug.
15:17 wizzyrea thanks :)
15:17 * wizzyrea sees it now
15:17 oleonard :)
15:17 wizzyrea next to modified?
15:17 oleonard I click the "History" link next to the modified date
15:17 wizzyrea oh, History?
15:17 * wizzyrea is especially dense, must have used up all of my brilliance for the day before it even began
15:16 wizzyrea "show activity"
15:16 wizzyrea where do you get the link for that?
15:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
15:16 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7284: Fix unit test broken by erroneous POD
15:16 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7284 follow-up: removing html tags <b> and <a href=> as they're displayed not as HTML
15:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #646: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/646/
15:15 wizzyrea nvm, must have been sekjal :)
15:15 wizzyrea ah thanks
15:15 oleonard http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_activity.cgi?id=6905
15:15 wizzyrea also does bugzilla have a history?
15:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6905 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow selecting a patron from circulation history to take you to their circ page
15:14 wizzyrea oleonard: bug 6905 - was your concern the one that changed it to failed QA?
15:06 oleonard My jQuery version will be better if it ever sees the light of day
15:06 wizzyrea :)
15:06 * oleonard is happy to blame YUI
15:06 oleonard It's the way the YUI interaction is designed.
15:06 wizzyrea just... humans.
15:05 wizzyrea I don't think the algorithm is bad
15:05 oleonard Yeah, that seems to be the complaint here too.
15:05 wizzyrea because people were consistently picking the wrong patron
15:05 wizzyrea we don't use it
15:05 oleonard wizzyrea: Do you libraries complain about how the patron search autocomplete works?
15:04 kf hi wizzyrea
15:03 * wizzyrea waves
14:44 jcamins_away Bye!
14:44 jcamins_away And, with that thought, I'm off to a meeting.
14:44 jcamins_away The conclusion was "we'll decide via mailing list.
14:43 jcamins_away Oh, sorry, I didn't finish reading.
14:43 * jcamins_away laughs at the 4 v 8 spaces thing.
14:42 jcamins_away http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2012-01-04#i_857956
14:42 kf jcamins_away: I think we postponed deciding about a big change
14:42 kf jcamins_away: I agree
14:41 jcamins_away paul_p: hm, you're right.
14:40 paul_p jcamins_away well, it's *really* worth finding the logs then :D
14:39 jcamins_away paul_p: I thought the concensus was to perltidy existing code only when patches are touching it.
14:38 kf and have to finish wirting a protocol
14:38 kf paul_p: I have problems finding it too
14:37 jcamins_away I believe rangi said he'd reindex it tomorrow.
14:37 paul_p kf you're right, it's not oct meeting, but I can't find which one it is...
14:37 jcamins_away paul_p: I provided all the tools necessary for fixing it. ;)
14:36 paul_p jcamins_away I know (and in fact, it's your fault. Because it's your patch :D )
14:36 jcamins_away paul_p: yeah, I was just warning you that the new failure isn't my fault. ;)
14:36 paul_p jcamins_away probably yes, but less test failing is always better ;-)
14:35 kf e
14:35 kf about the stly
14:35 kf after we decided
14:35 jcamins_away paul_p: jenkins may still be unstable if rangi didn't get a chance to reindex.
14:35 kf we talked about it again
14:35 kf hm think it was a later meeting
14:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #646 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 22 h ago)
14:35 paul_p kf = http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-10-05-10.00.log.html (/me reading it now)
14:33 kf but this will not work
14:33 kf I think some peopel assumed you can tell git blame to ignore whitespace changes
14:33 kf for history there is
14:33 kf for history there iw
14:33 paul_p (that also changes {} position)
14:33 paul_p yes, but there's no consequences
14:32 kf yeah I know it does not change the code, but line breaking I think?
14:32 paul_p (fortunatly misplaced ;-) )
14:32 paul_p kf perltidy, fortunatly, changes more than whitespaces, but there's no consequences on the executed code
14:31 kf I think it was to be talked about on the mailing list - but might remember wrong
14:31 kf really looking at the consequences
14:31 paul_p we should find the discussion, because iirc, we said that was worth it.
14:31 kf and I thik it's not only whitespace changes - it will change the line breaking too. I think at least we need to test it before we go through with it
14:30 kf yes, but git blame will not be identifying it
14:30 paul_p (kf: we don't loose the history, we just have one commit, that will be easily identified on git history)
14:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7284: Fix unit test broken by erroneous POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa0eb5afd555102890f9b47c83e16f3cf796745a> / bug 7284 follow-up: removing html tags and as they're displayed not... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=906aff23cad65bffe15b3901657a845757b47d08>
14:30 kf afaik
14:30 kf we need to update them in order to get into debian properly
14:29 paul_p what do you mean by "update the @ statements" ?
14:29 kf and we still have to pudate the copyright statements... I fear losing the history might not be woth it
14:29 kf paul_p: I thik there were some strong objections
14:26 paul_p I remember we agreed that there was no "good" option, this one being the "less wrong" one
14:26 kf paul_p: I am a bit worried about the perltidy idea - not sure we finally decided about it. I think we said we woudl start discussion and gather pro/cons
14:25 jcamins_away schuster: no, it's a bit confusing when I change it to "Needs Signoff" immediately after it's pushed.
14:24 jcamins_away Thanks.
14:24 jcamins_away :)
14:23 paul_p (i already have fixed the <a> and <b> issue as well)
14:22 paul_p almost done with my answer to marcelr on koha-devel, and I take care of it ;-)
14:22 schuster OK just confused on the flow ;)
14:22 paul_p hi jcamins_away, yes i've seen.
14:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
14:22 jcamins_away paul_p: a patch to fix jenkins' build is attached to bug 7284.
14:21 jcamins_away The "Needs Signoff" is for a follow-up to fix a test.
14:21 jcamins_away schuster: it's pushed! :D
14:20 schuster jcamins_away - so where does 7284 stand now? I see it is back to needs signoff.
14:20 schuster appreciates oleonard being nice to schuster :)
14:14 wizzyrea bbiab
14:12 oleonard kyleh: Around?
14:11 * oleonard would never really tell schuster to RTFM
14:10 hdl this is quite an old timer : RTFM or ggl is your friend
14:06 * oleonard founds a new startup, lmgtitkmfy.com: Let me Google that in the Koha manual for you ;)
14:03 schuster OK so that is now just a piece of Extended attributes... Just surprised me to see that. thanks
14:01 oleonard http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/faqs.html#opacbarcodesfaq
14:00 schuster I turned on extended attributes on my system and one of the items listed there as "default" is SHOW_BCODE - which is a system pref with a yes no.
14:00 oleonard Whoops, I submitted a patch.
13:59 oleonard Hi schuster
13:58 schuster Howdy all
13:57 wizzyrea for you
13:57 wizzyrea but it should work
13:52 wizzyrea actually I need to rebuild that I think.
13:52 wizzyrea should have items consistent with the sample data
13:52 wizzyrea https://github.com/wizzyrea/Scripts-and-Things/blob/master/MARC21.mrc
13:45 deiv *enough
13:44 deiv another question: do you know a place where to download a marc bibliography, enaugh big to be consistent, enaugh little to let me run on a netbook?
13:36 oleonard :P
13:35 * wizzyrea grins evilly at oleonard
13:34 jcamins_away Yay! Time to discuss ethernet!
13:34 jcamins_away lol
13:33 wizzyrea also, how awesome is the word "lewd"
13:33 * wizzyrea refrains from making a lewd joke
13:33 wizzyrea O.o
13:33 jcamins_away Including a room full of hideous mirrors!
13:33 wizzyrea later :)
13:32 dgl_library sorry, that wow was about all the programmers here — thanks #koha, bye for now
13:32 wizzyrea 180 contributors now?
13:32 dgl_library wow
13:32 jcamins_away Wow. The devastation is incredible. In one day they managed to remove almost all the junk on the walls from the previous owners.
13:32 wizzyrea oleonard having at least as many, if not more, than most ;)
13:31 * oleonard waves
13:31 wizzyrea but pretty much everybody here does :)
13:31 wizzyrea I have patches in Koha, ya
13:31 dgl_library wizzyrea, thanks very much for the help today — signing off & will check in again after doing the new setup. btw, are you one of the programmers on the koha project?
13:31 wizzyrea lol
13:30 wizzyrea magnuse++ for writing the backup documentation
13:30 magnuse wizzyrea++ for helping people
13:26 wizzyrea it might work with one, but I never put one in
13:26 dgl_library ok
13:26 wizzyrea nop
13:26 dgl_library thanks. there's suppose to be a space after the -u in -ukohaadmin, right?
13:25 wizzyrea basically the same as this
13:25 wahanui back up koha is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha
13:25 wizzyrea back up koha?
13:25 wizzyrea mysqldump -ukohaadmin -p koha > koha-dump.sql
13:25 wizzyrea to export the whole db
13:25 dgl_library thank you
13:24 dgl_library or is there a way to export the whole db at once?
13:24 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
13:24 wizzyrea schema?
13:24 wizzyrea schema
13:24 dgl_library ok, I did it for branches. where can I find a list of table names?
13:24 wizzyrea or select * from authorised_values
13:24 wizzyrea example, select * from categories
13:23 wizzyrea substituting your table names for branches
13:23 wizzyrea to what you just did
13:23 wizzyrea you just do something similar
13:23 wizzyrea if you want info out of other tables (they're all listed in the schema at schema.koha-community.org)
13:23 wizzyrea so now, dgl
13:23 dgl_library wizzyrea: thanks
13:22 wizzyrea charming?
13:22 deiv if it doesn't work i will pay a hacker to lock your WC, so you will need to ask peeing to your next-door :D
13:21 wizzyrea sorry if I wasn't clear
13:21 wizzyrea well you have to use the name of *your* database
13:21 dgl_library I think my database is just called koha
13:20 dgl_library wizzyrea: I tried mysql -ukohaadmin -p kohadb -e "select * from branches" > branches.sql and the result was: "ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'kohaadmin' @ 'localhost' to database 'kohadb'
13:19 wizzyrea sure :)
13:19 deiv thank you!
13:19 deiv i try
13:19 deiv i don't know, could be it exist a flag file or something similar
13:18 wizzyrea koha wants to propagate it, so it launches the web installer.
13:18 wizzyrea koha finds a database, but it has nothing in it
13:18 wizzyrea what are the conditions by which the web installer fires?
13:18 wizzyrea deiv: think of it this way
13:17 deiv wizzyrea: are you sure webinstaller will works when i will drop db? i need the 3 steps first installer
13:16 deiv sturmtruppen: give me five :)
13:16 sturmtruppen second day in koha...
13:16 sturmtruppen me too
13:16 deiv i'm an hyper beginner
13:15 deiv sturmtruppen: me not
13:15 sturmtruppen for me, any ideas? anyone?
13:12 wizzyrea drop the db and create a new one, then go to the url for your staff client
13:12 deiv wizzyrea: a simple question: how to re execute first web installer step?
13:08 wizzyrea ok back
13:05 sturmtruppen a newbie question for you: how can I obtainabout 2000 records starting from ISBN and automatically?
13:05 wizzyrea afk just a min
13:05 wizzyrea yep
13:05 dgl_library wizzyrea: should I replace kohadb with the db name, which is koha in my case?
13:04 sturmtruppen hi to everyone
13:03 deiv and i need to re create entire structure
13:03 deiv i would drop koha db
13:03 deiv slef: i need to re create structure
13:02 slef deiv: use a new database
13:00 deiv a question: how can i re execute first web installation step? i need to rebuild db structure
12:58 dgl_library be right back…
12:56 wizzyrea later jcamins_away
12:56 jcamins_away So long, #koha.
12:56 jcamins_away Thankfully, we have a while before that's necessary.
12:56 wizzyrea :/
12:56 * jcamins_away sighs. I am not looking forward to redoing the kitchen and bathroom.
12:56 wizzyrea mysql -ukohaadmin -p kohadb -e "select * from branches" > branches.sql
12:55 wizzyrea and do
12:55 dgl_library done
12:55 wizzyrea to exit mysql
12:55 wizzyrea you can type exit
12:55 wizzyrea and we are looking at the right db
12:55 deiv this way seems more stable...how to re execute first installation? sorry, but i'm a real beginner
12:55 wizzyrea so, now that we know we can get in
12:55 wizzyrea ok
12:55 dgl_library right
12:55 wizzyrea right?
12:55 wizzyrea perfect, you only have 1 branch
12:55 jcamins_away Ooh, you know what I get to do now? Meet the contractor at the new apartment... again!
12:54 dgl_library 1 row in set
12:54 wizzyrea cool
12:54 dgl_library it spat out the library info, address etc
12:54 dgl_library did that
12:54 wizzyrea deiv: that would clean it out, sure
12:54 jcamins_away deiv: you could do that, too.
12:54 wizzyrea ^^ just as it appears up there, punctuation and all
12:53 deiv jcamins: could i have a clean db doing a drop and a new web first setup?
12:53 wizzyrea no, at your mysql prompt
12:53 dgl_library back in the web interface, you mean?
12:53 wizzyrea you see your data?
12:52 wizzyrea select * from branches;
12:52 wizzyrea ok so, just for fun
12:52 wizzyrea there won't be much in them likely
12:52 dgl_library wizzyrea: well, I ran that command and am now at a mysql> prompt. however, since this is all happening within virtualbox, I'm not sure where the file is or how to get it out to my host OS
12:51 deiv jcamins: great
12:50 jcamins_away Yes.
12:50 deiv jcamins: a new import and rebuild will delete older and unuseful indexes?
12:50 wizzyrea password will be the same as your staff client login
12:49 wizzyrea you can try mysql -ukohaadmin -p nameofkohadb
12:49 dgl_library hmm. wish I could just fix the permissions!
12:49 wizzyrea well
12:49 dgl_library wizzyrea: I do have root access on the command line, though… if there's a way to do the export that way
12:49 wizzyrea yea, it looks like your whole problem is that your super librarian doesn't have superlibrarian permissions
12:49 jcamins_away deiv: when you import new records, you will reindex using rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r
12:48 dgl_library yep.
12:48 wizzyrea stinky poo
12:48 deiv jcamins: how to delete already created indexes?
12:48 dgl_library http://mibpaste.com/xCPkkZ
12:48 wizzyrea perhaps your user doesn't have permissions
12:48 wizzyrea well you do have those weird permission problems
12:48 wizzyrea ?
12:48 wizzyrea not under "guided reports"
12:47 deiv jcamins: that's ok
12:47 dgl_library wizzyrea: more --> reports …… there's no "create from sql" option.
12:47 jcamins_away deiv: in that case, you'll need to delete all the records in SQL, doing something like "DELETE FROM biblio; DELETE FROM biblioitems;"
12:46 deiv i used misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -file /path/to/marc.iso2709
12:46 jcamins_away deiv: if you used the batch import functionality, you can just reverse the import. If you used the command line, you'll have to delete all the records via the database.
12:45 wizzyrea select * from branches
12:45 wizzyrea dgl_library: an example of a query that would get you, say, your library definitions
12:45 dgl_library oh, great :)
12:44 jcamins_away deiv: how did you import it?
12:44 wizzyrea create from sql
12:44 wizzyrea more -> reports
12:44 wizzyrea oh, you can do it through the web interface
12:44 deiv i would like to undo the data import and reset indexing and try with a marc21 smaller sample
12:44 dgl_library wizzyrea & jcamins: I'm not terribly command-line savvy. can you point me to a page or something that gives the commands to craft a sql report in koha that would let me download in TAB or CSV?
12:44 deiv well
12:43 deiv eheh great
12:43 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
12:43 jcamins_away @quote get 145
12:43 huginn jcamins_away: 8 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: (1 more message)
12:43 jcamins_away @quote search ask
12:43 deiv translated: a question
12:43 deiv community support :P
12:42 wahanui please see http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ for a list of paid Koha support vendors.
12:42 jcamins_away paid support?
12:42 deiv i think i need support
12:39 wahanui schema is probably tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
12:39 wizzyrea schema?
12:38 wizzyrea you can craft a sql report in koha that would let you download in TAB or CSV
12:38 wizzyrea dgl_library: schema.koha-community.org may help you, if you really want to get the rules and stuff you've put in out
12:37 dgl_library thanks wizzyrea and everybody — I'll go and take some screenshots of the info I've already put in, and then start from scratch. have a good day/morning/evening/night…
12:37 wizzyrea also, please feel free to suggest edits to those faq's
12:36 deiv well, maybe it's better to drop that data and trying with something thinner
12:36 jcamins_away wizzyrea: awesome!
12:36 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/?qa_faqs=zebra-indexing-wont-work-fix-it-aka-search-stuff-up-help
12:35 jcamins_away (if you want to use that dataset)
12:35 jcamins_away deiv: you need about... 80gb.
12:35 deiv 4gb
12:35 deiv not so much
12:35 jcamins_away deiv: how much disk space do you have?
12:35 wizzyrea yep, you need to index
12:34 deiv jcamins_away: the importing process needed 5 hours
12:33 jcamins_away deiv: yes, it does. I imagine it'll take about... 20?
12:33 deiv it needs lot of hours
12:33 mbalmer swiss thursday starts
12:33 deiv i'm doing it
12:33 deiv i wanted to be sure
12:33 deiv i thought
12:33 jcamins_away You need to reindex.
12:32 wahanui searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
12:32 jcamins_away searching faq?
12:32 deiv well, my question is: why i cannot see the imported bibliography on the opac?
12:32 deiv exactly
12:31 deiv exctly
12:31 wizzyrea i don't think you've told us your problem yet :P
12:31 wizzyrea no no that was for dgl_library
12:31 deiv i will do a drop
12:31 deiv well wizzyrea, good idea
12:30 wizzyrea i follow now.
12:30 jcamins_away (that it's on the wiki)
12:30 jcamins_away deiv: that is not any sort of endorsement.
12:30 wizzyrea do a mysqldump -uroot -p kohadb > backup.sql
12:30 deiv jcamins_away: yes, i got wrong :)
12:30 wizzyrea you can, before that
12:29 wizzyrea now, don't go doing that if you want anything in there.
12:29 wizzyrea I usually do mysqladmin -uroot -p drop <name of your koha db>
12:29 deiv i found this link on the koha-community wiki
12:29 deiv http://www.lib.umich.edu/files/umich_bib.marc.gz
12:28 jcamins_away wizzyrea: it's available on UMich's site. It's much to large to use on anything less than a dedicated server.
12:28 deiv wizzyrea: wait, i search
12:28 wizzyrea please link
12:28 dgl_library I'm going to download the debian+gnome install, which will take all night (1.1gb) to download, but if I did want to just try dropping the current db in Koha and then starting over and importing sample data etc, how would I go about it? Where's the Drop DB command?
12:28 * wizzyrea has not looked at it, where did we procure it from?
12:27 jcamins_away The UMich dataset.
12:27 wizzyrea what did you download exactly (meaning, from what URL?)
12:27 wizzyrea slef: true
12:26 deiv i imported yesterday, in 3.6.4 version, a marc21 example bibliography 650mb big. i downloaded it from the koha-community site
12:26 jcamins_away Fair enough.
12:26 dgl_library jcamins: that's ok, as long as I still have a mouse and desktop, which will make it easier to copy and paste stuff if I run into problems (like error logs)
12:26 slef jcamins_away: wizzyrea: maybe they know the gnome user admin tools and so on
12:26 wizzyrea ish.
12:25 wizzyrea well, yes. 6:30
12:25 jcamins_away dgl_library: you can install GNOME, you'll just have to open up a terminal to do things on the command line.
12:25 wizzyrea but most instructions will have you doing most everything on the command line
12:25 wizzyrea sure it's ok to install gnome.
12:25 dgl_library it's the crack of early in flyover country, usa, though, isn't it?
12:25 wizzyrea hm, not so strange. :)
12:25 dgl_library 5:53pm
12:24 dgl_library by the way, is it ok to install the Gnome environment, or should I just stick to the Debian command-line (which I'd prefer not to do… very limiting to have to do every single thing via the command line)
12:24 wizzyrea isn't it some strange hour there?
12:24 deiv great
12:24 slef deiv: everyone but trust no-one :)
12:24 dgl_library wizzyrea: in the Himalayas
12:24 dgl_library slef: takes a while to get here
12:24 * wizzyrea looks around
12:23 deiv i need koha support, who are the person i can talk to?
12:23 * wizzyrea lives in flyover country, USA
12:23 slef dgl_library: I'm on a road to nowhere. Maybe I'll see you there?
12:23 wizzyrea ;)
12:23 wizzyrea define "middle of nowhere"
12:23 slef oh ok, speak for me too
12:23 dgl_library haha. well I'm in the middle of nowhere.
12:23 slef jcamins_away: speak for yourself ;)
12:23 jcamins_away slef: we're all over the place in most senses, I think.
12:22 dgl_library the far side!
12:22 slef dgl_library: which side? we're all over the place... at least in the geographic sense
12:22 deiv hi everybody
12:22 dgl_library thank you — it's so kind of you to help a confused and frustrated small-library volunteer on the other side of the planet :)
12:21 wizzyrea yw, pop back if you get stuck. :)
12:21 dgl_library thanks
12:20 dgl_library right
12:20 dgl_library can you please point me to the most reliable and current instructions on how to install koha from packages
12:20 wahanui package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
12:20 wizzyrea packages?
12:20 dgl_library anyway, I would install debian+gnome in virtualbox, and then…
12:20 dgl_library but I have to download it again because there was a file error
12:19 dgl_library ok, so I've got virtualbox here and the 64-bit debian squeeze gnome install DVD
12:19 wizzyrea ^.^
12:19 wizzyrea <.<
12:19 wizzyrea >.>
12:19 dgl_library aren't you clever……
12:19 dgl_library right!
12:19 dgl_library aha! I hadn't thought of setting up everything from scratch *within virtualbox*
12:19 wizzyrea i mean, not running a pre-configured koha in a virtualbox
12:18 wizzyrea there's always virtualbox.
12:18 dgl_library really, help with debian? :)
12:18 dgl_library by using a virtual appliance, we can run any OS on the machine, and have Debian just for Koha
12:18 wizzyrea ah we can help with that :)
12:18 dgl_library the only thing is Debian…
12:18 dgl_library yes, I think you may be right
12:17 wizzyrea I think you'll be happier in the long run
12:17 dgl_library perhaps I'll start from scratch on the new server then
12:17 dgl_library didn't realize it was a technical outlier…
12:17 dgl_library I see, the thing is that I was that we ordered a dedicated server, which I was going to install debian on, but it won't arrive til tomorrow, so I've been working on the Koha VA and figured I'd just move the file later to the server
12:16 wizzyrea the VM was contributed by someone in the community, and really only they know properly how it works.
12:16 wizzyrea (most people use packages)
12:16 dgl_library ……searching for the drop db option……
12:16 wizzyrea i've not ever used the VM, it's not a vehicle that we normally spend a lot of time supporting here
12:15 wizzyrea it's still koha :P
12:15 wizzyrea it stands to reason that it might work in the VM
12:15 wizzyrea well in standard koha (installed from packages or from the tarball) it does that
12:14 dgl_library I didn't realize that!
12:14 dgl_library oh really?
12:14 wizzyrea what sample data you want
12:14 wizzyrea where you can pick
12:14 wizzyrea yea, if you just drop the db (and create a new one) in the VM, it should run you through the installer
12:13 dgl_library the Configured version of the KVA works right out of the box — sample libraries, sample everything. without any setup, I can add books from Z39.50 servers, which are also predefined.
12:13 wizzyrea sample holidays
12:13 wizzyrea the z39.50 servers wouldn't hurt.
12:13 wizzyrea sample libraries, mmm that's up to you.
12:13 wizzyrea make sure you get the authorized values, sample patron categories
12:12 wizzyrea than to try and fix this, I have a sense.
12:12 wizzyrea it would be faster to start over with a few of the sample options defined
12:12 dgl_library (sinking feeling in stomach)
12:12 wizzyrea you're in a bit of a sunk cost moment
12:11 dgl_library right, that's what you just said
12:11 wizzyrea what I would probably do
12:11 wizzyrea yep
12:11 dgl_library of course if the problem is in the way I've configured Koha, backup and restore would most likely get me the same errors, right?
12:11 wizzyrea but, all of the config is in the DB
12:10 dgl_library backup koha?
12:10 wizzyrea back up koha is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha
12:10 wizzyrea I hoped wahanui had the link for that . :)
12:09 wizzyrea boo
12:09 wizzyrea back up koha?
12:09 dgl_library but yes, I suppose I could. I haven't entered any books yet.
12:09 dgl_library I mean, I've already invested a few days into inputting the settings… I'd at least like to be able to print them out somehow, if I can't export-import them
12:08 dgl_library well, here's a question from an alternative approach: can I export all my current settings, and then import them into a setup of Koha that works properly (i.e. the Configured version of the Koha Virtual Appliance)?
12:08 wizzyrea do you have the option to drop this db and install fresh?
12:07 wizzyrea it has to be that something somewhere is unconfigured.
12:07 wizzyrea hm, that wouldn't cause this problem.
12:07 dgl_library that should be Modern:: Perl
12:07 dgl_library Modern::Perl and DateTime::Format::ICal
12:06 dgl_library ah, I see... just a sec
12:06 wizzyrea click the perl modules tab
12:06 dgl_library there's the About info
12:06 dgl_library http://mibpaste.com/SlBQGd
12:05 wizzyrea any missing?
12:05 wizzyrea click on the Perl Modules tab
12:05 dgl_library no error, and no options
12:05 wizzyrea ok, go to more -> about koha
12:05 dgl_library I click it and am returned to the Patron's details screen
12:05 wizzyrea it doesn't have an error, it just doesn't show?
12:05 dgl_library More > Set Permissions shows a button that says "Set Flags" and nothing else
12:04 dgl_library I did try to create a standard Staff account for myself, but as I mentioned, one of the problems is that …… yes, exactly.
12:04 wizzyrea you said you could create patrons - but you can't set permissions on them?
12:04 dgl_library I see.
12:04 dgl_library also as I mentioned there are no Add Items options in any menu, but if I manually navigate to http://x.x.x.x:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl I can see it
12:04 wizzyrea well yea, kohaadmin is the super-superlibrarian
12:03 dgl_library yes, one. but every time I log in, I have to select it manually.
12:03 wizzyrea or a library defined
12:03 wizzyrea do you have libraries defined?
12:02 dgl_library in fact I followed an implementation checklist I found on the website. still nothing.
12:02 dgl_library no, I set all that days ago
12:02 wizzyrea anything working better?
12:02 dgl_library I have tested the Marc frameworks
12:01 dgl_library Patron types and categories as well
12:01 dgl_library I have defined a few item types
12:01 dgl_library sorry, back now
11:56 dgl_library brb
11:56 wizzyrea no no, not necessary
11:56 dgl_library and I can't really fully understand what they are, so a bit lost there. but do I need to set up Authorities before I can get the other bits working?
11:56 dgl_library in fact, the only link under Cataloging is Authorities
11:55 dgl_library haven't done anything about Authorities
11:55 wizzyrea yep, seems likely
11:55 wizzyrea are you trying to use authorities? flipped the pref for "biblio adds authorities"
11:55 dgl_library I figured it would be easier to use the unconfigured Koha Virtual Appliance rather than go in and change all the preconfigured settings in the Configured version, but none of these problems exist in the Configured version (same user — kohaadmin) so I must be missing some key step in the setup
11:55 dgl_library item types… let me check
11:55 dgl_library uh, one sec
11:54 dgl_library yes
11:54 dgl_library yes
11:54 wizzyrea and item types?
11:54 wizzyrea oh, have you defined patron categories?
11:54 dgl_library and create patrons and all sorts of things
11:54 * wizzyrea can't sleep, might as well help.
11:54 dgl_library definitely am, I can change all kinds of system preferences
11:54 wizzyrea ?
11:54 wizzyrea just to make sure, you are logging into the staff side and not the OPAC
11:54 dgl_library hmm
11:53 wizzyrea sounds like you have staff permissions, but no rights to do anything else
11:53 wahanui i guess kohaadmin is the db user
11:53 dgl_library kohaadmin
11:53 wizzyrea what user are you logged in as?
11:53 magnuse and pastebot, i think
11:53 dgl_library no link to Add Items, and no options to Set Privileges under Patrons (Staff)
11:52 wizzyrea he's not a bot. Only wahanui, huginn, and jenkins are bots
11:52 dgl_library wizzyrea (I'll take magnus's word you're not a bot if you'll vouch for him as well): the original problem is that I'm trying to set up Koha, using the Koha Virtual Appliance. the problems listed in the link above started before I ever updated — the update was an attempt to rectify the problems
11:51 wizzyrea ah yea, I go back to my original thesis that something must have gone funny during the db update
11:50 magnuse wizzyrea: http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2012-03-08#i_912572
11:50 wizzyrea :) define "strange"
11:49 magnus_afk wizzyrea is definitely not a bot :-)
11:49 dgl_library the original problem: strange behavior in our koha admin panel. (hope I'm not answering a bot here)
11:45 wizzyrea :)
11:45 slef yay tenses!
11:44 wahanui OK, slef.
11:44 slef wahanui: the original problem is that something created the universe and it's all gone downhill from there.
11:44 wahanui slef: what?
11:44 slef wahanui: the original problem was that something created the universe and it's all gone downhill from there.
11:44 slef the original problem?
11:44 wahanui i heard the first question was "What are you trying to do?"
11:44 wizzyrea the first question?
11:43 wizzyrea what was the original problem?
11:39 dgl_library that's the relevant code from authorities.pl
11:39 dgl_library http://mibpaste.com/GBB2jt
11:38 dgl_library sorry, connectivity problems -- we're in the middle of nowhere
11:24 * wizzyrea reads the log
11:24 wizzyrea dgl sounds like perhaps your database has something gone funky
11:24 slef wizzyrea: the original problem was that something created the universe. It's all gone downhill from there.
11:23 sturmtruppen q
11:22 hdl dgl_library: use pastebin.koha-community.org
11:22 dgl_library can I paste code here?
11:21 wizzyrea what was the original problem?
11:20 wizzyrea http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;h=aad0e675fec38d5b2b272950a79ea98abd48d0bc;hb=441b98cea41ed7d99354195b79d5b4f44b194913
11:20 slef dgl_library: the skill is figuring out which error is breaking you :-/
11:20 slef wizzyrea: but he's using 3.6.4
11:19 slef wizzyrea: good assumption
11:19 wizzyrea ah I made a bad assumption, I assumed they went to git.koha-community.org and couldn't find the files
11:19 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6090] empty mails in message_queue are sent <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6090>
11:19 slef wizzyrea: but first you need the right version, I think.
11:18 wizzyrea it looks just like the file system under there.
11:18 wizzyrea in git you look for "tree"
11:17 dgl_library went to git but can't seem to locate the actual files, so will try in debian here
11:15 dgl_library several more errors
11:15 dgl_library the log file is huge
11:12 slef ah, but have you looked at the end of the log file (press > if you used less)
11:12 slef or you could maybe find the version on git.koha-community.org and find authorities.pl in it and then give us a link to the line
11:11 slef well, locate authorities.pl might tell you where it is, then cd to its folder and less +263 authorities.pl will open it to the right line. I don't recognise that error but my memory is bad.
11:09 dgl_library same with Argument "68b"
11:09 dgl_library ok, looking at the log now. not sure there's a way to copy and paste from the virtual machine, but I'm seeing one error repeated a lot: authorities.pl: Argument "68a" in numeric ge …… blah blah ...... in authorities.pl line 263
11:06 dgl_library slef: no problem at all, thanks so much for taking the time. trying that now.
11:06 slef (please excuse delays, I am at work)
11:06 slef dgl_library: I think the works-on-all-debian-way is: sensible-pager error.log # but that's a lot of typing
11:05 slef dgl_library: or instead of less, you can use more or pg or view or ... there's more than one way to do it
11:05 slef dgl_library: less error.log # or similar
10:56 dgl_library sorry for the noob question, but I've accessed the folder. now how do I view the error log?
10:54 slef dgl_library: sudo -i, then you will be the superuser and have all permissions, but tread carefully
10:54 dgl_library slef: it says "-bash: cd: /var/log/apache2/: Permission denied"
10:54 slef dgl_library: login prompt, or whatever we're doing on it.
10:50 dgl_library slef: at this end it looks like DOS or SSH terminal program… just text. it shows the IP address of Koha.
10:50 dgl_library slef: hmm, what do you see on your server when koha is running?
10:49 slef dgl_library: not sure what a koha management console is :)
10:47 dgl_library got a command line by quitting koha, I suppose that's a start
10:47 dgl_library aha…
10:46 dgl_library hdl and slef: here's the thing… in the virtual debian in the virtual appliance, I'm not sure how to do anything outside koha, because there's no desktop such as gnome. the entire window is taken up by the koha management console.
10:44 magnuse ah, ok
10:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
10:44 paul_p magnuse yep, kf noticed that in the bug 7284
10:43 magnuse paul_p: i just triggered a dtabase update, and the html codes in the 7284 show: i'm seeing the <b> and <a> in the web installer (not viewing source, but on the page)
10:43 hdl or your vhost koha apache logs.
10:43 slef dgl_library: look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ for a koha file that will have various Log locations. Or try the default that hdl just mentioned :)
10:43 hdl look at /var/log/apache2/error.log
10:42 dgl_library hdl: where can I find the related process/log info?
10:42 slef dgl_library: live+learn
10:42 dgl_library slef: oops.
10:42 slef dgl_library: you put @ in front of hdl, huginn thinks any @s are for it.
10:42 hdl dgl_library: can't help much, unless you really try and spot more detailed process and log information. try and file a bug.
10:42 dgl_library hdl: debug level was already set to show "lots of" info
10:40 dgl_library hdl: thanks for the tip.
10:40 hdl dgl_library: huggin is a bot
10:40 huginn dgl_library: I suck
10:40 dgl_library huginn: are you saying I should compile from source?
10:39 huginn dgl_library: downloading the Perl source
10:39 dgl_library @hdl: haven't looked at logs (where?), haven't set DebugLevel to 1. Configuration is Koha Virtual Appliance (Unconfigured version), which is Koha 3.6.04 running (inside a virtual OS) on Debian Squeeze
10:37 slef that's a new one on me
10:37 slef errr, tourist tax???
10:32 hdl never encountered the problem you spot.
10:32 hdl dgl_library: have you looked at logs ? have you tried setting DebugLevel to 1 ? What Configuration ?
10:26 magnuse :-)
10:26 julian_m magnuse, wow, I wasn't expecting a response as quickly as that :)
10:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets
10:25 magnuse julian_m: i'm looking at bug 6440 now! thanks for the followup!
10:21 dgl_library hi everyone, is there anyone here who might be able to shed some light on the Koha problem I'm having?
09:53 dgl_library however if I manually navigate to http://ip-address:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl I do get the Add Items dialogue.
09:53 slef paul_p: ASAP. Patches welcome.
09:52 dgl_library also, there are no options under Patrons > More > Set Privileges
09:52 dgl_library and there is no button for Add Items
09:52 dgl_library now updated to 3.6.04
09:52 dgl_library I'm using the Koha Virtual Appliance, "unconfigured version"
09:51 dgl_library I wonder if someone knows what's going on…
09:51 dgl_library I'm trying to set up Koha at a small school library and have found a couple of strange problems
09:51 dgl_library hello everyone!
09:50 hdl rangi: has something happened to : bywater/wr78012 branch ?
09:49 paul_p slef which is a little bit small. when do you plan to organize the schedule ? (Because it's only 3 month from now)
09:48 slef paul_p: nothing further than what's on the wiki.
09:37 paul_p good morning slef = any news about the KohaCon12 schedule ?
09:26 slef I'm not sure if I heard it, but yes, time to move if oracle-- are going to keep pulling cunning stunts like that
09:25 magnuse interview with monty widenius
09:24 magnuse this was quite interesting: http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/194 "MySQL And MariaDB"
09:23 slef oracle--
09:23 slef debian mysql "SECURITY UPDATE: Unspecified vulnerabilities identified by Oracle"
09:23 slef ah, automatic calendar fail :)
09:19 magnuse jcamins++ for signing off 7092
09:16 magnuse there is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_21_March_2012
09:16 magnuse not that i know of
09:15 slef wasn't it?
09:14 magnuse slef: ?
09:11 slef ah it was a meeting last night. Oops.
09:06 magnuse and ouch
09:06 magnuse :-)
09:06 paul_p (well, it was not for kf but for magnuse ;-) )
09:06 paul_p kf nope, it's not exactly about an invoice to send, it's about an invoice I'd like to send since 2010, and the library still tries to refuse/ask for waiting. It's a crazy project. Really crazy, i never saw a IT staff & managers so ... silly/stupid Really ! (the librarians are smart, but they don't have the money)
09:05 kf bbl
09:05 wahanui i think meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
09:05 kf meeting time
09:05 kf ok
09:03 kf paul_p: perhaps get some people involved that are not in marseille
09:03 kf paul_p: we were discussing collecting ideas for the bug sqashing week on the wiki
09:03 kf magnuse: oh he is very happy :)
08:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
08:59 magnuse i bet someone is happy now that bug 7284 is pushed :-)
08:55 magnuse sending it out? nice!
08:55 paul_p something about an invoice of 20k€ to do first though ;-)
08:55 magnuse yay :-)
08:55 paul_p yep. it's on the top of my todo list...
08:55 magnuse if you send your mail first i can send one about gbsw?
08:54 magnuse cool
08:54 paul_p magnuse very good idea because i've a mail to send about the timing for 3.8, and feature freeze will be short after the hackfest
08:53 magnuse yeah, you need lots of chairs and electrical outlets ;-)
08:53 magnuse i was thinking more a week to encourage people to sign off etc, than re-branding the hackfest
08:53 paul_p (32 we will be a little bit short on space...)
08:53 paul_p around 17 iirc
08:52 magnuse how many were we last year?
08:52 magnuse wow, very cool!
08:52 magnuse hehe
08:52 paul_p magnuse last number = we will be 32 for this hackfest :D :D
08:52 paul_p magnuse why not. As it was started by BibLibre and I didn't wanted to seem to overlap with KohaCon or "community meetings" I called it hackfest in Marseille, but it's not a trademark ;-)
08:51 magnuse hey hdl and paul_p and others - would it be an idea to call the hackfest-in-marseille-week a "global bug squashing week"?
08:35 kf hi paul_p
08:33 magnuse kia ora paul_p
08:27 kf lol
08:27 clrh erf
08:27 magnuse :-)
08:27 magnuse clrh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day
08:27 clrh about what?
08:27 clrh magnuse: hello but why?
08:26 kf :P
08:26 kf sophie_m fled
08:25 magnuse bonjour and congratulations, clrh!
08:25 kf magnuse: your next victim ;)
08:24 wahanui bonjour, clrh
08:24 clrh hello
08:24 kf well, guess you will be busy then today
08:22 magnuse kf: it's sort of a big thing here - everyone is supposed to congratulate all women :-)
08:18 kf thank you?
08:18 kf um
08:18 kf oh
08:17 magnuse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day
08:17 kf for making it to work? :)
08:13 magnuse and congratulations!
08:13 magnuse wb kf
08:13 kf hi again #koha
08:12 wahanui bonjour, asaurat
08:12 asaurat hi
08:12 hdl eythian: rangi iirc, you did work on payment and fines refactoring code and so on. has it been pushed ? Or is it still ongoing ?
08:11 hdl1 hi
08:06 francharb morning #koha
08:04 reiveune eythian , rangi : Hi , I work to rebuild bug5905 (Partial fine payments and Means Of Payment). Henri-Damien Laurent told me that perhaps you were working on a similar development that will make obsolete the mine. is this true?
07:58 reiveune bonjour
07:55 julian_m hi
07:48 cait and bbiab
07:47 cait hi mbalmer
07:44 mbalmer m'rning
07:44 magnuse hiya mbalmer
07:30 cait t
07:28 magnuse guten morgen cait
07:28 cait morning magnuse :)
07:28 magnuse kia ora #koha!
07:01 sophie_m hello cait
06:57 laurence hi cait
06:57 cait hi laurence and sophie_m :)
06:30 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 18.0°C (11:00 AM PKT on March 08, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
06:30 Oak @wunder islamabad
06:29 Oak by the way, the library i am considering are not using any ILS at all. they have a website, but no online access to library resources, obviously...
06:26 Oak good :)
06:26 cait was around 0
06:26 cait hm warmer than yesterday
06:26 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 3.0°C (7:00 AM CET on March 08, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
06:26 Oak @wunder Konstanz
06:25 Oak yes, that should be done first
06:24 cait what they expect
06:24 cait perhaps talk to your advisor
06:24 cait hm
06:24 Oak yup
06:24 cait but you know how to install koha
06:23 Oak i don't know much
06:23 cait hard to tell for m
06:23 Oak yes
06:23 cait about Koha
06:23 Oak i guess it depends on the person's skill level
06:22 cait it perhaps depends on how much you know already
06:21 Oak too*
06:21 Oak is it doable? or am i being to optimistic in giving it 2 months?
06:19 Oak well, i'll be doing this in morning time... so i'll have all day to work on this for next 2 months... i think it is doable...
06:17 Oak hmm
06:17 cait but when you catalog, it#s good to know how they want to circulate the items later, so you catalog with the right itemtypes and such
06:16 cait will take longest
06:16 cait probably the cataloging
06:16 cait and telling them how to do it should not be much more
06:16 cait I think configuration is not so hard
06:16 Oak and can Koha + 2000 books + cataloging, circulation, opac be done in 2 months if I work all day on it (~8 hours), asked my boss that I'll work in night time...
06:14 Oak hmmm.
06:14 Oak also, i'm no Koha expert. but you are all here, and manuals Wikis are there. so. that's why i am considering it
06:14 cait cataloging + circulation + opac
06:14 cait hm perhaps circulation training
06:13 Oak but about the acquisitions module and other modules, plus the training of staff etc, i'm not clear about these things.
06:12 Oak if i can get a decent computer from the library (the one i'll get to start using Koha), and set up Koha in say one week (installed, tested), then I could start cataloging, and say I catalog 2000 books using copy catalog, *that* should count as a project... that's what I want to discuss.
06:10 cait cool idea :)
06:09 Oak i mean to discuss the possibilities
06:09 Oak I am meeting my project supervisor today and another management guy from university to discuss that
06:08 Oak i was thinking how about pick a small library and get them to start using Koha...
06:08 cait and do you have a project?
06:08 wahanui niihau, eythian
06:08 eythian Oak: howdy
06:08 cait oh
06:07 Oak now have to do a project, and it *must* be some practical work in a library
06:07 Oak exams!
06:07 cait where have you been hiding? :)
06:07 Oak what's new cait
06:06 cait hi mr Oak
06:06 Oak hello Mr. Robin
06:06 Oak Guten Morgen miss cait :)
06:05 eythian yep
06:05 cait still at work?
06:05 cait hi eythian
06:05 eythian hi cait
05:08 eythian the bottom of the koha-conf.xml
05:08 shakazu00 I do not see anything near the bottom. I am trying use the staff client login and not the supervisor when I install the system
05:06 eythian then look in koha-conf.xml
05:05 shakazu00 login kohaadmin password katikoha does not work for the staff client
05:05 eythian the username/password for the database will log you in to koha as a superuser
05:04 eythian it's in there, near the bottom
05:04 eythian well, have a look in your koha-conf.xml
05:03 shakazu00 okay I am going to try that.but I am I not sure that's that it
05:02 eythian I forget what the default is, but it might be that
05:01 eythian katikoha?
05:01 shakazu00 when it rebooted to login screen I tried kohaadmin and did not know the password
04:59 eythian probably kohaadmin is what you want
04:59 eythian shakazu00: depends how you installed it really
04:58 shakazu00 what is the staff username for koha 3.64
04:41 jcamins Good night -- again -- #koha.
04:27 Oak i'm good too.
04:25 druthb hi, Oak! I'm well. How are you?
04:19 Oak how are you druthb :)
04:19 Oak kia ora #koha
04:18 jcamins I can't get the language chooser to display.
04:18 jcamins Okay, I won't be testing oleonard's I18n patches.
04:18 eythian It's a bit of a strange system
04:18 eythian yep.
04:17 Space_Librarian lol. ouch
04:17 eythian .eLM
04:16 wizzyrea what it is
04:16 wizzyrea dare we ask
04:14 eythian This one is only in use in a handful of places that I know about.
04:11 druthb [off] I have a few different ILSes I'd like to eradicate from this country, but it's gonna take more than a wee while.
04:04 eythian I'm hoping that over the next wee while, we eradicate this software from the country.
04:04 eythian yeah.
04:03 * druthb shudders.
04:02 jcamins Oh, lovely.
04:02 eythian I'm going to be relinking items and biblios by using title/author/publication info as there's no unique ID to match them
04:01 eythian jcamins: no, it's quite horrible really. The only way we can get data out is by running a report that luckily has an option for XML.
03:55 jcamins :)
03:55 jcamins And that's with the "CSV" option?
03:55 wizzyrea lerd.
03:54 jcamins Well done!
03:54 eythian So as part of my series of rants titled "No proprietary library software can export unambiguously parsable CSV", I now introduce this one that exports as XML. _Invalid_ XML, mind you.
03:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly
03:54 jcamins bag: you might want to consider testing bug 7092. I use a different ICU configuration than ByWater.
03:37 Amit_Gupta hye bag
03:28 jcamins So, not really beneficial here.
03:27 jcamins It's slow, and displays incorrect information.
03:25 jcamins Prompt.
03:25 wizzyrea ps1?
03:25 jcamins I don't like it.
03:25 jcamins I have tried the fancy git PS1.
03:24 mtj pretty obv. really :)
03:24 mtj so, the js function just gets translated with everything e lse in the template
03:24 jcamins Yay!
03:23 mtj and you were on the right track too - define a JS function in the .tt file
03:23 jcamins Oh?
03:22 mtj was an easy solution, after a little thought
03:22 jcamins mtj: excellent!
03:22 mtj jcamins: ps: i sorted my ajax template/translate problems nicely :)
03:21 wizzyrea not as specific as I would like but the id's are slightly sparse there.
03:21 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: try $("h4:contains('Public Lists')").html("The Informed Professional");
03:09 Space_Librarian preferably both, but since nobody can see the private lists, lists would be informed professional
03:09 Space_Librarian wizzyrea: yes
03:07 wizzyrea or instead of "public lists" *under* lists
03:06 wizzyrea just making sure I understand
03:06 wizzyrea so they want it to say "the informed professional" instead of "lists"
03:06 Space_Librarian where'd that fire extinguisher go?
03:06 Space_Librarian sometimes the stupidity burns.
03:06 eythian ah I see
03:05 Space_Librarian And your argument, eythian, was my argument
03:05 Space_Librarian because there are several small public lists that comprise the Informed Professional.
03:05 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: gimme a sec
03:04 eythian (I assume that's how they're intending to use it, right?)
03:04 eythian Why don't they just call the list "Informed Professional - March 2012", that way public lists can be used for other things.
03:04 * Space_Librarian rolls eyes
03:04 Space_Librarian And I got into serious trouble for questioning the reasons for why this needs to be done anyway.
03:03 Space_Librarian Well, I need to know where to go first. Pretty pissed off that they're demanding this now, with no previous warning, an hour before releasing the bulletin.
03:03 * wizzyrea informs your potato
03:02 * jcamins giggles at the Informed Potato suggestion.
03:02 eythian you can just do $("#theidofthething").setText("Informed Potato"); in the opacuserjs
03:01 * wizzyrea imagines id's on bits. giggles.
03:01 wizzyrea and if there are no id's, we could add some for you :P
03:01 eythian assuming it's got the IDs on the bits that say 'public list'
03:00 eythian Space_Librarian: that should be easy to change with jquery
03:00 jcamins I just have no choice.
03:00 jcamins I mean, I'm not trying to leave them open.
03:00 jcamins I'm not trying!
03:00 wizzyrea actually, it has more to do with uh, leaving those triple word squares open :p
02:59 jcamins wizzyrea started out with twice my score, and she's maintained that... unfortunately, this means that she's now *way* ahead of me.
02:58 * jcamins has learned that he's not actually very good at Scrabble.
02:55 Space_Librarian And we've been live for a while.
02:55 Space_Librarian Just because I can read code, doesn't mean I can code.
02:55 jcamins Gotta love go-lives.
02:55 jcamins heh.
02:54 Space_Librarian And apparently I can make it all just so.
02:54 Space_Librarian This has been a day of stupidity.
02:54 Space_Librarian Yes. I know.
02:54 Space_Librarian The public list. They want it to be renamed "The Informed Professional"
02:54 jcamins Space_Librarian: that was a shocked "what?" not an "I didn't hear you" what.
02:53 jcamins Space_Librarian: what?
02:53 Space_Librarian They want it called "Informed Professional"
02:52 jcamins Oh, I can just do a sub that doesn't take any arguments.
02:51 jcamins What do they want them called?
02:51 jcamins Space_Librarian: it could be done using jQuery, but I don't know off the top of my head the jQuery that would be necessary.
02:51 Space_Librarian I need something quick and dirty for now. These people are being real pendants
02:50 wahanui a translation is done through the pref files
02:50 jcamins Or a translation.
02:50 jcamins Space_Librarian: you could use jQuery.
02:49 * Space_Librarian is going to go postal at people at work soon.
02:49 Space_Librarian And can we rename "public list" to something else?
02:48 jcamins I want to be able to have the following line work from scripts: print C4::Images->noimage;
02:46 jcamins Sorry, I didn't mean class constant. I meant package constant, apparently.
02:45 * jcamins is trying to centralize the single invisible pixel gif.
02:44 jcamins Is this a profoundly bad idea?
02:44 jcamins Does one do class constants in Perl?
02:44 jcamins How does one do a class constant in Perl?
02:43 Space_Librarian these are accountants
02:43 Space_Librarian heavens knows.
02:42 jcamins I'm still trying to figure out why on earth someone would want that.
02:42 Space_Librarian tis... :)
02:39 mtj try the Koha list first? , its possible someone has a workaround already
02:36 mtj its been a while since i looked at the email/notices stuff
02:36 mtj hmmm, i might have to pass on that Q the mo :/ i'm in the middle of something
02:33 Space_Librarian and how would be do that?
02:29 mtj or both emails (of course)
02:29 mtj but the trick is to use the patrons email, not the default library-admin one
02:28 mtj aaah, so the feature is there-ish...
02:27 Space_Librarian And hi!
02:27 Space_Librarian The patron wants a confirmation email. The library email was getting spammed.
02:27 mtj i think that may be a missing feature, currently....? :/ and hi! :)
02:26 mtj s/you/a person/ :)
02:25 mtj Space_Librarian: you want an email every time you place a hold?
01:58 Space_Librarian ping rangi - do you, oh oracle, know the answer?
01:58 jcamins_away I don't think about circ much.
01:58 Space_Librarian glad it ain't just me... :)
01:57 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: I'm not sure.
01:57 Space_Librarian seriously though. I've read the manual, and I've tweaked what I can. I know there's an email for holds to pick up, but is there one to confirm holds placed?
01:50 Space_Librarian that's the plan
01:50 ibeardslee extinguisher
01:50 ibeardslee use the gassy end of the fire estinguisher to fight the fire and the heavy blunt end to educate
01:49 Space_Librarian Trying to firefight and educate
01:49 Space_Librarian Apparently no notification/confirmation of hold placed really is a big issue.
01:48 jcamins_away I'm not sure.
01:48 ibeardslee I was going to say 'pumpkin soup'
01:48 Space_Librarian :)
01:48 Space_Librarian I blame Storm Troopers
01:48 jcamins_away ^^ silly answer
01:48 jcamins_away I blame the Oompa Loompas.
01:48 Space_Librarian what do our patrons need to select to be notified of holds placed?
01:47 Space_Librarian hello you lovely people - I've a silly question.
00:10 Shane-S and now system 2 :P bye all!
00:10 Shane-S_ I am off myself...time to relax...I spent my day off learning how to install...no wait... jcamins_away basically installed it...koha :)
00:06 jcamins_away Good night, #koha.
00:05 jcamins_away Time for dinner and Star Trek.
00:05 jcamins_away Okay, that's done.
00:00 rangi yeah
00:00 rangi obsoleting all the others
00:00 jcamins_away Obsolete the other two?
00:00 rangi i think swithc it back to needs signoff