Time Nick Message
22:03 maximep just feels weird :S
22:03 maximep I feel old when I see people born in 1995
22:00 maximep :P
21:58 * wizzyrea glares at maximep
21:58 wizzyrea omg I feel old now.
21:55 rangi hehe
21:55 maximep when I was 12, haha
21:55 maximep brings back memories from 1997 -_-
21:53 cait night all :)
21:53 maximep aaaaaaaaaaaaaah lara fabian
21:52 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-fmvxmh1E
21:52 rangi hdl: have you heard of lara fabian?
21:47 bag heya hdl
21:47 hdl rangi: yep
21:44 wizzyrea golly, no lie.
21:44 rangi working late?
21:44 rangi heya hdl
21:44 hdl hi rangi
21:41 rangi :)
21:41 rangi 'hacked'
21:41 rangi yeah
21:40 maximep one of our big craglist style website in qc still has them... so people get their account hacked all the time
21:39 maximep and having 45 people connected to the same session
21:39 maximep I remember having them in an old cms and someone sharing a link to my website
21:38 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZFtjRycPDs <--- wrt SIDs
21:36 maximep ah, 9/22. Not bad
21:36 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover-reverse.pl?Year=2012
21:35 wahanui i guess that work is pretty complete now, i hope eythian and srdjan will get around to submitting a patch
21:35 rangi that work?
21:35 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/libraries.pl?ILS=Koha%20--%20Sys-Tech
21:35 cait :)
21:35 rangi sweet
21:35 maximep http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=62034
21:34 rangi but true
21:34 rangi crazy
21:34 rangi most ILS still have them
21:34 rangi but
21:34 rangi totally
21:34 maximep 1980s
21:34 maximep how 198s ot have SIDs
21:34 rangi there should be a permalink url on the page?
21:34 maximep wow
21:34 rangi cos of the SID
21:34 rangi that link wont work
21:34 cait :)
21:34 maximep found http://www.librarytechnology.org/diglib-fulldisplay.pl?SID=20120306224273681&code=lwc&RC=62034&Row=2
21:34 rangi 1567 libs with koha on libwebcats currently
21:33 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=63888 <-- one of ours
21:32 rangi whats the name of one of your libraries?
21:32 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/
21:32 rangi ah
21:32 maximep probably not, because I have no idea what that is
21:32 maximep only 1 with 3.6 in that list ?
21:31 rangi maximep: are they on libwebcats?
21:31 rangi yes, you should :)
21:31 cait yep
21:31 wizzyrea you should ;)
21:31 maximep maybe I should add our 22 installs
21:31 wizzyrea they really are
21:31 rangi yup
21:31 maximep :S
21:30 maximep they really are ?
21:30 rangi but it works for them
21:30 wizzyrea no, that's probably true
21:30 rangi oh sadly no they are all using 2.2.9
21:30 rangi ?
21:30 maximep probably not one version number still valid
21:30 cait only sad it's such an old version :(
21:30 rangi then break ti down into countries
21:30 rangi i think a page per continent might be good
21:29 cait we shouldl reorganise the page a bit
21:29 rangi thats only a fraction of them too
21:29 cait wow
21:28 wizzyrea whoa
21:28 rangi check out all the libraries in the philippines
21:28 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users_Worldwide#Southeast_Asia
21:06 wizzyrea bye
21:06 rangi cya oleonard
21:05 oleonard I'm off too. Bye all
21:04 rangi http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20120306-00
21:00 Shane-S well I am off for the night, thanks all cya another day :)
20:56 Shane-S if only i COULD fix it
20:56 Shane-S in what now..2 weeks I have gone from I can't install it...to I need to fix it :P
20:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7657 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Google and OpenLibrary image conflict
20:55 Shane-S bug 7657 if you want to patch it oleonard
20:51 wizzyrea you go ahead. :)
20:51 Shane-S did you guys do the whole bug process or should I start it?
20:51 Shane-S well thanks for the help, too bad I didn't "solve" that bug, thanks for oleonard being smart :P
20:48 Shane-S okay...now can we make them bigger ...serious....but kidding for today :P
20:47 Shane-S not here no...only at home
20:47 Shane-S doh I know why...css class :P
20:46 wizzyrea would reset it
20:46 wizzyrea git checkout google-jackets.js
20:45 wizzyrea using git?
20:45 Shane-S damn...I'll just copy yours...mine is broken
20:43 Shane-S i see left bibkey
20:43 wizzyrea its*
20:43 wizzyrea you just told it to only look at it's id instead of all of them?
20:43 pastebot "Shane-S" at 68.36.8.202 pasted "my google-jackets.js" (75 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/296
20:43 pastebot "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Modified google-jackets.js" (75 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/295
20:42 Shane-S what did you do to the google one?
20:41 wizzyrea oleonard++
20:41 wizzyrea oleonard is a magician like that
20:40 oleonard No. No changes to the template.
20:40 Shane-S in the template/
20:40 Shane-S did you have to change the class?
20:36 wizzyrea mine looks like oleonard's
20:36 oleonard My version doesn't touch that section
20:35 oleonard Not in my version Shane-S
20:35 pastebot "Shane-S" at 68.36.8.202 pasted "This right for GBS?" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/294
20:34 pastebot "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Modified openlibrary.js" (70 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/293
20:32 oleonard Whoops, sorry, wrong paste
20:32 wizzyrea just what owen suggested
20:32 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/5uWEID4zQk5n
20:32 Shane-S what did you do wizz?
20:32 pastebot "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Modified openlibrary.js" (70 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/292
20:31 wizzyrea and open library jackets
20:31 * wizzyrea has not-broken google jackets now
20:31 Shane-S oleonard: the lines you told me to edit, was what you entered the line? because those are 22 and in both files for me
20:30 oleonard uh... maybe.
20:29 oleonard I see what fredericd was recommending now, and why it didn't work for me.
20:28 Shane-S yeah...lets see...I added 3 lines...so that puts me at var a = document.createElement("a");
20:27 oleonard Have you modified it?
20:27 Shane-S oleonard: umm..line 48 for me is a } in google-jackets.js
20:26 oleonard But we could make the search specific rather than changing the class
20:25 oleonard The problem is that in the callback the script is looping over *all* elements with that class, not just (google or open library) divs
20:25 oleonard ...and line 45 of openlibrary.js: $("div [id^=openlibrary-thumbnail]."+isbn).each(function() {
20:24 oleonard Shane-S: Try changing line 48 of google-jackets.js: $("div [id^=gbs-thumbnail]."+book.bib_key).each(function() {
20:23 Shane-S so it broke google, but the OL is pulling google & OL because I didn't change the CSS class
20:23 Shane-S nope you are both right...
20:19 Shane-S I just put my CSS in and it broke it
20:19 Shane-S well I have no duplication....but the OL images don't like my div changes
20:19 wizzyrea me either
20:17 Shane-S works for me
20:16 oleonard Either way I get no covers
20:16 Shane-S but for testing
20:16 Shane-S they don't overlap if one is the same, obviously I will for future proofing
20:16 Shane-S what if I don't change the OL class?
20:14 fredericd and you have to do it for openlibrary js also
20:14 Shane-S okay I will try that
20:14 fredericd it should work
20:13 fredericd bibkeys.push(isbn);
20:13 fredericd isbn = isbn.substring(3);
20:13 fredericd var isbn = $(this).attr("class");
20:13 fredericd replace with:
20:13 fredericd that the isbn array sent to google
20:13 fredericd bibkeys.push($(this).attr("class"))
20:12 fredericd You have that in google js:
20:12 fredericd Shane-S: just a second, I'm lookg at the js code...
20:11 cait morning :)
20:10 Shane-S so I have to make the JS strip it, but I don't understand what part of the JS is getting that
20:10 wizzyrea mornin
20:10 rangi morning
20:10 Shane-S oleonard: I understand, but class="gbs[...]" <> normalized ISBN anymore
20:09 oleonard class="[% SEARCH_RESULT.normalized_isbn %]
20:09 oleonard Shane-S: It happens in opac-results.tt
20:08 Shane-S fredericd: the JS is my issue...what line specifies the class name?
20:08 fredericd you also have to modify JS
20:08 fredericd Modify it to: class="gbs[% SEARCH_RESULT.normalized_isbn %]"
20:07 Shane-S so I added "o" to the class="" line for the open biblio and it broke both
20:07 fredericd You have a line containing: class="[% SEARCH_RESULT.normalized_isbn %]"
20:06 Shane-S I just don't understand the JS is my issue
20:06 wizzyrea oh oh I seeit fredericd
20:06 Shane-S how would it get the ISBN if we prepend the ISBN?
20:05 Shane-S 23...but I tried "title" instead of "class" but it didn't work
20:05 fredericd you don't need to modify the .js files, just modify opac-results.tt
20:05 wizzyrea as likely of a suspect as any
20:04 wizzyrea look at line 22 in openlibrary.js
20:03 fredericd and then google/openlibrary JS search its specific div
20:02 fredericd It could be solved by prefixing the class name.
20:02 fredericd Then google and openlibrary JavaScript, identify the div by its class name. That's where there is a conflict.
20:02 fredericd <div style="block" title="3291" class="0688802311" id="openlibrary-thumbnail2"></div>
20:02 fredericd <div style="block" title="3291" class="0688802311" id="gbs-thumbnail2"></div>
20:02 wizzyrea fredericd: you would know better than me ;)
20:02 fredericd If you have activated both cover sources, you have two lines like that:
20:02 Shane-S I wonder...*goes to try something*
20:01 fredericd I think it's in koha code...
20:01 Shane-S what about the "name" field
20:01 Shane-S hmmm....
20:01 * wizzyrea doesn't know
20:00 wizzyrea it may not even be in our code.
20:00 wizzyrea it may be in the reply from OpenLibrary or Google
20:00 Shane-S I think switching them to an ID that is unique would fix it, but since the code is entered via JS, I have no idea where to is done
19:59 Shane-S fredericd: why can't I have them both? It appears they use similar code, can we track down the population, both use the "div" code, others don't seem to.
19:59 * wizzyrea appreciates that jcamins thinks about analytics
19:59 druthb >.>
19:59 oleonard Shane-S: Be sure to test it with Novelist, LibraryThing, Syndetics, Babelthèque, and Baker and Taylor enabled too
19:59 druthb <.<
19:58 * jcamins_away leaves for a meeting.
19:58 jcamins_away Shane-S: because I was thinking about analytics. :P
19:58 oleonard Turning off Open Library will make it work
19:58 wizzyrea naw
19:58 jcamins_away So everyone else knew five minutes before I did.
19:58 Shane-S Why not?
19:58 wizzyrea it's ok :)
19:58 jcamins_away wizzyrea: ah, I didn't see that.
19:58 wizzyrea I would pick, either OL or Google
19:57 Shane-S let me tunr off OL and see if I can break it more :P
19:57 wizzyrea ^.^ see 1:51
19:57 jcamins_away I was assuming it was a bug in OL until fredericd told us just now that this is apparently by design.
19:57 wizzyrea <.<
19:57 wizzyrea <.,
19:57 wizzyrea >.>
19:57 jcamins_away wizzyrea: did you say it was about OL+Google?
19:57 jcamins_away That should be noted in a syspref.
19:57 * wizzyrea looks around
19:56 jcamins_away wizzyrea: but now we know specifically the problem is OL+Google.
19:56 wizzyrea ^.^
19:56 jcamins_away wizzyrea: yes you did.
19:56 wizzyrea lol, didn't I say that?
19:56 jcamins_away Ah, there's the problem. I didn't try it with Openlibrary.
19:55 Shane-S oleonard: Yes, I would like to have 2-3, as some books have varied covers
19:55 fredericd you can't have both together
19:55 fredericd Shane-S: google and openlibrary covers are conflicting
19:55 oleonard Shane-S: Your goal is to be able to display covers from multiple sources at once?
19:54 wahanui i already had it that way, wizzyrea.
19:54 wizzyrea assuming a unique isbn is a little dangerous
19:54 Shane-S wizzyrea: unique to that book opac result, if its duplicated in the system the image script won't work correctly anyway
19:53 Shane-S in the way they handle the images
19:53 jcamins_away wizzyrea: bahahahaha!
19:53 Shane-S openbiblo and the google .js looked nearly identical when I checked them
19:53 jcamins_away cait: really they just need to be collapsed into a single serial record. :(
19:53 wizzyrea assuming a unique isbn is a little dangerous
19:53 Shane-S so that is why I wanted to swap from class to ID, as each book has a unique ISBN, and appending a letter like "g" and "o" makes it unique 100% and thus should be an id
19:53 cait jcamins_away: if they don't have individual titless?
19:53 wizzyrea openbiblio + google
19:52 cait jcamins_away: hm but what can he do?
19:52 wizzyrea since that's the newest.
19:52 wizzyrea must have to do with openbiblio
19:52 jcamins_away fredericd: I would agree.
19:52 jcamins_away *intentionally
19:52 fredericd jcamins_away: that's what I think also. I think that I have invalid UNIMARC biblios, and no way to convert them to proper MARC21 records
19:52 jcamins_away wizzyrea: I have displayed images from multiple sources before intentionall, and it was never a problem.
19:51 jcamins_away Those are issues not parts.
19:51 jcamins_away fredericd: that's really not correct in this case.
19:51 wizzyrea but, principle of least surprise, I guess it shouldn't do that
19:51 Shane-S yeah, because I believe it applies to the class (only thing carrying through)
19:51 jcamins_away wizzyrea: well, it should show all the images at once, no?
19:51 wizzyrea but that's not really a supported configuration?
19:51 jcamins_away wizzyrea: oh, three. But still, there should be three images showing up, not seven.
19:51 cait fredericd: let me check if I can find one for you
19:50 cait fredericd: I think I have seen that too - but jcamins knows marc21 better
19:50 oleonard Looks like if you enable multiple sources they compound each other somehow
19:50 huginn cait: Number of part/section of a work (Repeatable)
19:50 wizzyrea it looks to me like he's got amazon, google, openlibrary
19:50 cait @marc 245 n
19:50 Shane-S I have them all on
19:50 huginn cait: unknown field/subfield combination (245/$n)
19:50 cait @marc 245 $n
19:50 jcamins_away wizzyrea: but there are only two sources!
19:50 cait fredericd: hmm
19:49 jcamins_away On Shane-S's installation, not on mine.
19:49 wizzyrea they are additive.
19:49 wizzyrea right, because they don't cascade
19:49 jcamins_away wizzyrea: I'm seeing 7 images for each record.
19:49 wizzyrea why are they all on in the first place?
19:49 fredericd cait: thanks. And thanks jcamins_away. But it's not exactly what I have. I have biblio record, one for each serial issue, but in the title field I have the serial title, and volume, but not a specific title for the issue
19:49 * wizzyrea still doesn't get it
19:49 Shane-S let me clear my CSS on p1.div
19:48 jcamins_away I can't look now, since I'm just about to leave for a meeting, but I don't think it does that on my install.
19:48 Shane-S I had them all float:left at a point, but the openbiblio and google are duplicating and all that is the same is the <div class=""
19:48 jcamins_away Okay, that's weird.
19:48 oleonard Shane-S: She's asking because we don't understand what the problem is yet
19:47 Shane-S wizzyrea: I know that :P
19:47 wizzyrea you can't turn on all of the free sources of cover art and only get one cover image.
19:47 Shane-S here got to http://68.36.8.202:8082 (should be the opac) search for Seuss
19:47 wizzyrea you know that cover images don't cascade, at the moment right?
19:46 oleonard Shane-S: How do they break each other?
19:46 jcamins_away Shane-S: no idea. But it's worth a try. Because if the fix is to add , that's a lot easier than rewriting the entire thing.
19:45 Shane-S think IE or Safari will?
19:45 jcamins_away Shane-S: are you sure this isn't due to Firefox not being able to handle tags with no content?
19:44 oleonard How do they break each other?
19:44 oleonard Can you explain what you mean by that?
19:44 Shane-S fredericd: not so much, but they shouldn't break each other, they use the same class modification apparently
19:43 cait [off] fredericd: similar to the traced series here perhaps https://seminar-stuttgart.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=5597
19:43 fredericd covers together?
19:43 fredericd Shane-S: You goal is to have google and openLibrary cover
19:43 Shane-S http://pastebin.com/iiMrUp3Y .. lines 6 and 7
19:42 Shane-S I'll paste some code from the source...brb
19:42 oleonard Then I guess I don't understand what you're trying to do
19:42 Shane-S around*
19:42 Shane-S oleonard: Adding a class doesn't fix it, its a work arounf
19:41 fredericd Those records are converted from UNIMAR, that's why it's pretty complex
19:41 Shane-S oleonard: I am trying to fix it anyone using google and openlibrary for covers, when used together you get 2 divs, with 2 images in them
19:41 jcamins_away fredericd: no that's not.
19:41 cait let me find one for you
19:41 cait it's basically a traced series
19:41 fredericd So this is not valid: 245 10 $a ShisÅ. $n Num. 1023, 2009.7.
19:41 cait hmm
19:40 fredericd cait: could you show me such a MARC21 somewhere?
19:40 oleonard Shane-S: Why not add a class in the template where I showed you?
19:39 Shane-S so somewhere, that needs to be changed to ID, and make them each unique, say id=isbn+g and id=isbn+o
19:39 jcamins_away Well, you could include the $v in the 830.
19:38 Shane-S so, when I view my page, I get 2 google images, and 2 openlibrary images, because the 2 generated <div's> have the same exact class
19:38 cait yep, that sounds like ours look like :)
19:38 jcamins_away Ind1=1, and add an 830 with the $a only.
19:38 Shane-S okay so here is the issue with <div class... in the .tt file they both use the standarized ISBN, thus they both pull the same styling, which from what I can tell is the image
19:37 cait jcamins_away: I think setting the first to indicate it's a traced series perhaps? but always forget
19:37 jcamins_away Sure.
19:37 jcamins_away cait: ehhhh...
19:37 cait jcamins_away: indicator?
19:37 cait not 440 - don't use that
19:37 cait yep
19:37 jcamins_away So the volume information goes in 490$v.
19:37 jcamins_away fredericd: they're treating it as a monographic series.
19:37 jcamins_away fredericd: oh, there's why.
19:36 fredericd cait: yes but here this is for converting data, and I can't produce correct biblio records
19:35 fredericd I refer to something like that: http://www.maine.gov/infonet/minerva/cataloging/serials.htm#acceptable
19:35 oleonard <div style="block"> doesn't make any sense.
19:35 cait fredericd: what we would do here is have a record for the serial, and a record for the issue and link both to each other using a set/volume relationship
19:35 jcamins_away fredericd: however, the direct answer to your question is, 773.
19:35 jcamins_away fredericd: right, I'm saying that I don't like cataloging whole issues with serial records, I'd rather use volume and monographic series records.
19:35 cait fredericd: is it the only isseu the library has?
19:34 jcamins_away Maybe better.
19:34 fredericd it's a not an article, it's the whole issue
19:34 jcamins_away cait: yeah, that would be a good option.
19:34 cait jcamins_away: you could also treat it as a volume perhaps
19:34 jcamins_away Right. Personally, I prefer serial+article records.
19:34 cait yeah, like analytics?
19:34 jcamins_away 773$g, to be precise.
19:34 cait hmm
19:33 * jcamins_away doesn't like doing that. But, since you ask, I'd go with a 773.
19:33 jcamins_away fredericd: a serial *issue*?
19:32 fredericd jcamins_away: How would catalog a serial issue as a monograph in MARC21. Where would you store volume/issue number info?
19:32 jcamins_away oleonard: heh.
19:32 * oleonard whispers to jcamins_away: We need to keep that bug intact in case wahanui becomes sentient and threatens to kill all humans
19:32 oleonard Stop, you're hurting his brain jcamins_away!
19:31 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
19:31 jcamins_away wahanui: change your behavior so you don't crash when someone says something like this.
19:31 fredericd you have now '<div style=', you could have: <div class=
19:30 Shane-S one second helping someone
19:30 * oleonard consoles wahanui
19:30 wahanui oleonard: that doesn't look right
19:30 oleonard Change how? You can add a class.
19:29 Shane-S but if you change that div class it breaks the images
19:29 fredericd the styling is done in the callback method
19:29 oleonard Shane-S: Starting at line 542
19:29 oleonard Shane-S: The class on the surrounding <div> is set by opac-result.tt
19:29 fredericd for the record, I've added google jacket support into Koha a while back, so I may help...
19:28 Shane-S because the "class" is the ISBN, enabaling Google and OpenLibrary you get duplicated results, 2 images in each div because the class is the smae number
19:28 jcamins_away wizzyrea: it doesn't have APL, though, so I don't think I can use it. :P
19:27 jcamins_away Interesting.
19:27 Shane-S haven't file it yet
19:27 Shane-S fredericd: well I also found a related bug...
19:26 wizzyrea huh, interesting https://www.stypi.com/
19:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Google Cover CSS suggestions
19:26 oleonard fredericd: Bug 7594
19:25 fredericd Shane-S: what do you want to do exactly?
19:22 Shane-S yes...I don't understand where it is specifing anything to CSS, but I know it relates to the class.. line 23 looks like it, but I tried "id" versu "class" and swapped the value in the opac-results.tt with no luck
19:18 fredericd Shane-S: Have you take a look at google-jackets.js file?
19:08 jcamins_away cait: yes.
19:06 * Shane-S walks away for a breather
19:06 Shane-S I know what is happening...I just can't find what script is doing it...because it is so Object Oriented
19:06 Shane-S they duplicate right now, as it seems somewhere JS is writing into the memory of the files via DOM
19:05 Shane-S I need to make it so Google and Open Library do not use a "class", but instead an ID!
19:04 Shane-S grrr...I can't figure out how the book covers are generate...
18:50 slef jcamins_away: close to several libraries ;)
18:47 jcamins_away Bye again.
18:47 jcamins_away And go to a meeting.
18:47 * jcamins_away leaves to pick up the printing.
18:46 jcamins_away Also close to the library.
18:46 jcamins_away Good location for visiting the departmental secretaries who took care of everything for me while I was on exchange. :)
18:45 jcamins_away slef: thanks.
18:45 jcamins_away slef: ooh, I know Bristo Square.
18:44 slef fredericd: thanks
18:43 fredericd message sent to the list
18:38 slef cait: yes
18:38 slef http://osm.org/go/evfLiytXT-
18:37 cait slef: near university?
18:37 slef I'll get a map
18:37 slef fredericd: errrrrrrrrrrrm, blank page
18:35 fredericd Is it that: http://g.co/maps/8sgsj
18:33 fredericd Any information about accomodation will be welcomed, I suppose...
18:33 slef hi cait
18:32 slef fredericd: pretty much. Anything else you think we should say?
18:32 cait hi slef :)
18:31 fredericd slef: just saying that kohacon12 will be located in Edinburg central?
18:31 slef I think it's Bristo Square Edinburgh EH8 9AJ
18:30 slef jcamins_away: fredericd: could one of you reply to the list? I'll find the street address
18:27 fredericd slef: thanks. It can help
18:25 slef jcamins_away: central
18:23 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
18:23 jcamins_away @later tell slef What part of Edinburgh is KohaCon in?
18:16 wahanui kohacon12 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June
18:16 jcamins kohacon12
17:57 oleonard Surely there is better information to display on the acquisitions home page? Open baskets? Recently-used vendors? Something?
17:54 druthb I haven't decided which is worse, living out on the prairie, where you can't escape the wind, or living in a city, where you can hide in the lee of a building, then get smacked the face when you go around a corner.
17:54 * oleonard looks forward to when wizzyrea's weather blows over here
17:54 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 9.0°C (12:50 PM EST on March 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
17:54 oleonard @wunder 45701
17:53 jcamins Plenty cold enough for me, thanks.
17:52 wizzyrea range
17:52 wizzyrea 2 is pretty cold, but I dont really consider it cold until it's in the -5
17:48 druthb colder than a mother-in-law's kiss, in NY. Brr.
17:48 wizzyrea brr
17:48 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 2.2°C (12:12 PM EST on March 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036.1 hPa.
17:48 * wizzyrea gloats
17:48 jcamins @wunder 11375
17:48 kf but I choose my jacket - going home now :)
17:48 druthb warmer here than in sunny southern california, wizzyrea.
17:48 wizzyrea that's so warm.
17:47 kf thx
17:47 wizzyrea 20!
17:47 * druthb hands kf a blanket.
17:47 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.4°C (6:44 PM CET on March 06, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa (Steady).
17:47 kf @wunder Konstanz
17:47 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.2°C (11:45 AM CST on March 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from 8 am this morning to 7 PM CST this evening...
17:47 druthb @wunder 66046
17:45 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.5°C (9:43 AM PST on March 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 4 am PST Wednesday...
17:45 bag @wunder 93109
17:33 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, that doesn't seem quite right, does it?
17:27 wizzyrea but then again I've never used syndetics either.
17:27 * wizzyrea never heard about that with koha
17:27 wizzyrea I guess for iii you have to send in ISBN numbers to syndetics to get the info to appear in the catalog?
17:26 jcamins For me, too!
17:26 jcamins Indeed.
17:26 wizzyrea (for users)
17:26 wizzyrea how impossibly confusing.
17:25 jcamins If there are items, and all are hidden, you don't have to suppress it.
17:25 jcamins If there are no items and you want it hidden, you have to suppress it.
17:25 wizzyrea it's entirely possible
17:25 wizzyrea I thought you had to suppress the bib if there were no items. I dunno, I could be misunderstanding
17:24 jcamins Right, now there's no bug, and it just works.
17:24 wizzyrea does it?
17:24 wizzyrea well not anymore it doesn't do that
17:24 wizzyrea do you have to "report out new ISBN's and send them in to syndetics"
17:24 kf aah nice
17:24 jcamins That's why there was that horrible bug where ebooks didn't show up.
17:24 jcamins Yeah, if there's at least one item, and all items are hidden, it hides the record.
17:24 kf jcamins vs. wizzyrea hmmm
17:23 wizzyrea anybody here use syndetics with koha?
17:23 kf so why did it effect the numbering in the result list then?
17:23 jcamins kf: yes, I think so.
17:23 kf oh
17:23 wizzyrea no, I don't think so
17:22 Shane-S I was messing with it more last night...freaking hate it...it is so hard to use a mouse and keyboard
17:22 kf wizzyrea: does opachiddenitems suppress the title too? if all items match what I want to hide?
17:22 wizzyrea i tried it for five minutes, I wanted to smash it with a hammer.
17:22 Shane-S Anyone tried Win8 yet?
17:22 jcamins Considering that I'm accustomed to *really nice* barcode scanners, I guess this nixes the CueCat plan.
17:21 Shane-S Aside from the fact the Apple and to an extent Google limit you and contain you...at least (more so Apple) their stuff actually works well (Google...well their core is amazing...other stuff is kinda like M$)
17:20 oleonard "Investors in CueCat lost their $185 million" Karma.
17:19 oleonard Nice.
17:19 Shane-S yeah we were scanning her book ISBNs into excel
17:19 kf but thought it was probably only my cuecat (after I used the sharp knife on it...)
17:19 oleonard "The company's response to these hacks was to assert that users did not own the devices and had no right to modify or reverse engineer them"
17:19 kf but it's no fun if you ever had a real barcode reader
17:19 kf yes.. it works
17:18 jcamins Good to know.
17:18 Shane-S was quicker to type
17:18 Shane-S okay then I have "used" one at a friends...I wanted to throw it at the wall :P
17:18 oleonard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat
17:17 jcamins Shane-S: yes.
17:17 Shane-S isnt a QuCat just a crappy barcode reader you drag across the barcode?
17:16 * oleonard has resisted throwing his away hoping it might be of use to someone
17:16 jcamins kf: oh, I never actually used one. Given how impatient I am, maybe I should consider that, then.
17:15 kf jcamins: the scanning is slow - I think a cheap normal barcode scanner would perhaps work better
17:15 jcamins oleonard: yeah, they're super-cheap options for providing barcode scanners to clients.
17:15 wizzyrea i had a cue cat a while back.
17:15 oleonard jcamins: really? I'll send you one if you like
17:14 kf but it worked :)
17:14 kf jcamins: which means using a sharp knife on really small things inside
17:14 jcamins kf: that's the correct word.
17:14 kf jcamins: you have to declaw (?) them
17:14 wizzyrea which is reason enough to never ever scan one.
17:14 wizzyrea wait. No I wont. Now there's word that people are putting links to phone malware on qr codes
17:14 jcamins kf: I've been thinking of getting some CueCats.
17:13 wizzyrea they put that stuff in my contacts and I'll be on board.
17:13 wizzyrea I told you I was lazy right?
17:13 Shane-S I can't say I have ever scanned one myself...but 90% I come across are commercial
17:13 oleonard wizzyrea is on board as soon as her retinal implant is installed.
17:13 wizzyrea plus half the time there's not enough light
17:13 wizzyrea truthfully? I can't be arsed to pull my phone out.
17:12 kf oleonard: I have a CueCat :)
17:12 Shane-S It's not showing anything for me
17:12 jcamins Shane-S: there's a tumblr showing how heavily they're used. ;)
17:11 Shane-S wait why would they go away I thought they were just catching on?
17:11 jcamins oleonard++ # because I should at least give him karma if I'm stealing that from him
17:10 oleonard Oh yeah, everyone old enough to remember the CueCat.
17:10 oleonard Who would have thought that QRcodes might go the way of the CueCat...
17:02 jcamins Oh, BTW... everyone will probably appreciate this: http://picturesofpeoplescanningqrcodes.tumblr.com/
17:01 oleonard Not until that latest post wizzyrea. Her tweet showed up in my Twitter search
17:00 wizzyrea seen* http://katelomax.tumblr.com/
17:00 wizzyrea oleonard had you see
16:56 wizzyrea also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_Patch_Acceptance/Rejection
16:55 kf jcamins++
16:55 jcamins paul_p: aww. I'm sorry. At least you have tomorrow to look forward to. :)
16:55 paul_p jcamins nope, only a very long BibLibre monthly meeting. Now dealing with some mails. Will be back to your bug tomorrow -my- morning
16:54 Shane-S wow just forget I type...*needs Dragon*
16:54 jcamins paul_p: lots of fun today? :)
16:54 Shane-S s/mode/code
16:53 jcamins ^^
16:53 Shane-S so I can see if I feel I can mode a new "optional" tage
16:53 wahanui i guess git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
16:53 jcamins git?
16:53 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
16:53 Shane-S what file handles the reports tag <<>>
16:53 wizzyrea git checkout -b name-of-branch
16:53 wizzyrea git checkout master
16:53 * paul_p do what ?
16:53 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
16:52 Shane-S <-- does not understand the make a branch part...
16:52 hdl Shane-S: paul_p does
16:52 wizzyrea (File a bug! Make a branch!)
16:52 Shane-S if not...my hunt begins to see if I can do it!
16:51 Shane-S anyone know what file handles the <<>> tag?
16:51 wizzyrea depends on the day really :P
16:50 wizzyrea placeholders in reports are also my friends.
16:50 jcamins 11:44 <@wizzyrea> oh batch modification, you're my only friend.
16:50 wizzyrea hehe
16:50 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm talking about your friends.
16:50 wizzyrea right, but you have to put in % if it's optional
16:50 jcamins << >>
16:50 jcamins Runtime arguments? I don't remember what we call them.
16:49 jcamins wizzyrea: those used to be your friends too.
16:49 wizzyrea to
16:49 wizzyrea not sure what you're referring ot
16:49 wizzyrea ?
16:49 jcamins wizzyrea: what about placeholders in reports?
16:49 wizzyrea enhancements to reports are always welcome.
16:49 wizzyrea that would be cool.
16:49 Shane-S hmm..ponders making a <{}> reports tag for "optional" fields so users don't have to put % in the text box
16:46 wizzyrea oh batch modification, you're my only friend.
16:44 oleonard ...and then copy-paste :)
16:42 Shane-S okay that was it :P
16:42 jcamins git status
16:41 Shane-S someone said you can do a results or something to get paths
16:40 wizzyrea hm yea
16:40 Shane-S and considering the pathing for template files....hand cramps :P
16:40 Shane-S because you need the path for every file
16:40 Shane-S the hard part is git add
16:39 Shane-S I thought there was more to it then the few simple commands
16:39 wizzyrea very cool
16:38 Shane-S I just made the code changes based on what I did here at work
16:38 wizzyrea takes some getting used to, for sure
16:38 Shane-S no it wasn't, but I need to get my home system to "work"
16:38 wizzyrea :)
16:38 wizzyrea not so bad eh
16:38 wizzyrea very cool
16:38 wizzyrea :D yay!
16:38 Shane-S wizzyrea: I made my first patch last night with jcamins help
16:37 Shane-S morning
16:27 wizzyrea no, but you are!
16:27 oleonard and now you're listening to the 10-hour Pikachu song right?
16:23 wizzyrea which logically leads directly to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVLOVpwXYGY
16:22 wizzyrea www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw
16:21 oleonard :D
16:21 wizzyrea OR DO I
16:21 oleonard too bad you don't get to pick which one
16:21 wizzyrea ok I just made myself laugh.
16:20 wizzyrea if that involves getting to smooch on the doctor, I'd be ok with that.
16:20 jcamins :)
16:20 * oleonard thinks that would require wizzyrea to stare into the heart of the TARDIS
16:20 kf wizzyrea++ :)
16:20 wizzyrea (yea yea, i'm a blasphemer.)
16:19 * wizzyrea gesticulates wildly
16:19 wizzyrea :P
16:19 wizzyrea because naturally, I'd take over as ruler of cataloging and make the stupid rules go away in favor of gathering information that actually matters.
16:18 * kf had a coworker introduce her to rda recently
16:18 * wizzyrea is not a proper cataloger. It would be much more sane if I were.
16:18 jcamins kf: but if you have special requirements that you don't want the authors to show up, you are completely allowed to do that.
16:18 * wizzyrea doesn't really care
16:18 kf only saying...
16:18 jcamins kf_mtg: yeah, and that's intelligent.
16:18 wizzyrea lol
16:18 kf_mtg rda has all
16:18 * oleonard has his "too many" bugs mixed up
16:18 jcamins It's a dumb rule.
16:18 wizzyrea you should comment that
16:17 jcamins AACR2 says "enter only three authors."
16:17 wizzyrea or enter them somewhere else ;P
16:17 wizzyrea "there are many items for this record - click to see them"
16:17 jcamins If you don't want all the authors to show up... DON'T ENTER THEM.
16:17 * jcamins was talking about number of authors.
16:17 jcamins oleonard: you're shown *none*? That seems weird.
16:17 wizzyrea we could show only the most highly circ'd 10 items or something.
16:17 wizzyrea if we were collecting populariity info correctly
16:16 jcamins Right.
16:16 oleonard jcamins: I do think it's weird that if you have more than 50 items you're shown *none*
16:16 wizzyrea wish there was a "we wont fix, you are welcome to" status :P
16:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5364 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , Limit the number of author displayed on OPAC
16:16 * jcamins would probably mark bug 5364 WONTFIX.
16:07 kf_mtg weird
16:07 kf_mtg oh
16:07 wizzyrea it stayed logged into IRC even though pidgin wasn't running? Very odd.
16:07 kf_mtg what has the laptop done?
16:07 wizzyrea hm. Ought to set up my bip again I guess.
16:06 * wizzyrea pokes her laptop
16:06 wizzyrea that seems odd.
16:06 wizzyrea !
16:04 Guest5264 bye :)
16:04 reiveune bye
16:01 wizzyrea to that bib.
16:01 wizzyrea perhaps all he really needs is a solution
16:01 wizzyrea a way to do it with jquery?
16:01 wizzyrea that is a 123 if I ever saw one.
16:01 wizzyrea hmm
15:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5364 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , Limit the number of author displayed on OPAC
15:57 oleonard Bug 5364 doesn't exactly have a following...
15:18 wizzyrea )
15:18 wizzyrea (I'm looking at that guy's email to the list re: git and non-standard perl
15:18 wizzyrea oh, and good morning.
15:18 wizzyrea i've never had to do it
15:18 wizzyrea am I right in thinking that you just need to add an additional path to perl5lib to use a non-standard perl with koha?
14:42 koha_database_helpme I haven't attached the barcode reader yet!
14:41 koha_database_helpme I would repeat the installation once more tomorrow. Have to prepara a new virtual machine then
14:40 tcohen and then run cpan on them
14:40 tcohen to check for missing deps
14:40 tcohen in debian's it is mentioned that you should run perl koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u
14:40 tcohen follow the debian instructions, as ubuntu's seem outdated
14:35 koha_database_helpme yes, they are not mentioned in the cpan section
14:34 koha_database_helpme nah, they are mentioned after running perl Makefile.PL
14:24 tcohen koha_database_helpme: do the instructions ommit those modules install ? in the cpan ... line?
14:06 jcamins magnuse++
14:04 koha_database_helpme http://pastebin.com/FPPgvyjZ
14:03 koha_database_helpme BTW, I took note of other perl prerequisites the installer told me about that can be added in the initial installer
13:56 koha_database_helpme thanks its up
13:53 koha_database_helpme and another one in itemstatus.sql
13:52 koha_database_helpme auth_val.sql ERROR 1054 (42S22) at line 4: Unknown column 'prefix' in 'field list'
13:52 koha_database_helpme just in case, there are two errors
13:50 oleonard git bisect is cool when it works. When it doesn't, not so much.
13:48 jcamins That's correct.
13:48 koha_database_helpme hmmm, the user name and password asked for is of the database!
13:46 koha_database_helpme ok thx, i am on it
13:44 jcamins Right.
13:44 koha_database_helpme ok, so you mean after I make sure its up on apache to actually go through the 8080 and set it up?
13:43 jcamins At this point, it will be the same for Ubuntu as for Debian.
13:43 jcamins I'd suggest using those instructions, because I know they're right. :)
13:43 jcamins I always use INSTALL.debian.
13:43 jcamins koha_database_helpme: rebuild_zebra shouldn't be run until you've actually finished setting up Koha.
13:43 koha_database_helpme 3.06.03
13:42 koha_database_helpme i am following the instructions on install.UBUNTU haven't reached the installer yet
13:42 oleonard koha_database_helpme: What version are you installing, and what instructions are you following?
13:42 jcamins Go through the web installer, etc.
13:42 jcamins koha_database_helpme: you need to follow the instructions to install Koha.
13:42 koha_database_helpme When I checked the database its empty with no tables and hence that's why I get the errors
13:41 koha_database_helpme http://pastebin.com/htSfxbdE
13:41 koha_database_helpme when I do the rebuild_zebra i get the error here in pastebin
13:41 jcamins Heh.
13:40 oleonard Poor Olivier Leonard is not getting CC'ed on those job recommendations he asked for. Nor his he getting his mom's emails.
13:40 jcamins koha_database_helpme: what is your problem? And what version of Koha are you installing?
13:39 jcamins oleonard: yeah, gmail ignores periods.
13:39 koha_database_helpme I have a problem installing koha
13:38 koha_database_helpme Hello All
13:36 oleonard Interesting... I'm getting mail at my oleonard gmail account which is addressed to o.leonard
13:31 oleonard Hi #koha
12:48 tcohen hi #koha
10:58 Culiforge kf_mtg: thx
10:58 kf_mtg Culiforge: sorry have to go - hope you can figure it out :)
10:57 kf_mtg hm but different file name
10:57 kf_mtg Quick Start
10:57 Culiforge looking....
10:57 magnuse Culiforge: you might have to create that file
10:56 kf_mtg yes, I think you will information about the file there
10:56 Culiforge kf_mtg: deb package, like wahanui just said
10:53 wahanui package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
10:53 kf_mtg Culiforge: packages?
10:53 kf_mtg mveron_lunch: :)
10:53 Culiforge installed koha-common from deb package on 10.04 but can't create-db. Error says koha-common.cnf not found...
10:38 mveron IMHO would be save to use it like this.
10:37 mveron So the new column would just come along with it, something like $active_currency->{format};
10:37 mveron kf: It is just the result set of the query, it is used like this: my $active_currency = GetCurrency(); Then something like var = $active_currency->{currency};
10:36 magnuse pod++
10:34 kf mveron: not sure how save it is to change the return value and where it is used
10:33 kf mveron: was wondering if it should have POD like the other subs :)
10:32 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Budgets.pm;h=7c867e0aabdea5a5a3170845bfd3b4635e1c71d2;hb=5716b69d16023544ca87ac88343716b2105ab047
10:32 kf yep I see it
10:32 mveron Just below GetCurrencies,but no =head ... =cut between
10:32 kf but probably should be?
10:32 kf looks to me like it's not documented
10:32 kf hm
10:31 mveron It is a sub
10:31 kf or it's not in there
10:30 kf http://perldoc.koha-community.org/C4/Budgets.html
10:30 kf perhaps looking at old perldoc
10:30 kf hm
10:30 mveron I did not apply the patch. Found it in the file Budgets.pm
10:29 kf that got me confused .)
10:28 kf I didn't find it in the perldoc
10:28 kf it's part of aleksa's patch
10:28 kf ah
10:28 mveron kf: But GetCurrency() always returns active currency (SELECT * FROM currency where active = '1' )
10:24 kf foreign currency != active currency
10:24 kf and displaying foreign currencies in acquisition
10:24 kf displaying the active currency in the right formatting
10:24 kf I think pehraps we need 2 different things
10:23 kf :)
10:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4078 trivial, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, In Discussion , Display active currency symbol on currency output and input
10:21 mveron I found Bug 4078 and commented it
10:20 mveron Yesterday we had a discussion about Preference->CurrencyFormat
10:19 magnuse yay! ;-)
10:18 mveron Oh... Glad that vinterne does not kommer tilbake in Switzerland .-)
10:17 magnuse little bit of snow here...
10:16 kf sunny here :)
10:16 magnuse http://www.yr.no/ :-)
10:15 mveron http://meteo.search.ch/prognosis
10:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 10.0°C (11:00 AM CET on March 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
10:15 magnuse @wunder marseille
10:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (10:50 AM CET on March 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
10:14 magnuse @wunder boo
10:14 magnuse hiya mveron
10:13 mveron Hi #koha
09:07 kf yep
09:05 magnuse it's a start
09:05 magnuse :-)
09:02 kf not helping me now - but perhaps later :)
09:02 kf filed abug
09:02 kf yeah
09:00 magnuse might need a currency permission?
08:42 kf whichmeans you have the permission to change all and everything in administration? :(
08:42 kf it seems you can only change the currency rates when you have parameters permission
08:42 kf ew.
08:27 kf hi francharb :)
08:26 francharb hi
08:26 kf hdl: really looking forward to it :)
08:25 kf I always have nightmares about confusing dates :)
08:25 kf for a second you really scared me!
08:25 hdl D-13 sorry :D
08:24 kf ?
08:24 hdl D-7 ?
08:23 hdl hi kf
08:20 kf hi hdl :)
08:15 kf hi asaurat :)
08:15 asaurat hi kf
08:14 kf hi again #koha
08:13 asaurat hi
07:54 julian_m hi
07:52 reiveune hi magnuse and everybody :)
07:51 magnuse hiya cait rangi reiveune & #koha
07:50 cait work time -bbiab
07:50 cait hi reiveune
07:46 reiveune hello
07:19 cait evening rangi
07:16 rangi evening
07:15 cait hi alex_a :)
07:06 wahanui que tal, alex_a
07:06 alex_a bonjour
06:47 cait god morgen magnuse :)
05:46 cait good morning #koha
04:48 * Space_Librarian waves goodnight to #koha
03:45 Space_Librarian night jcamins!
03:45 jcamins Good night, #koha.
03:45 jcamins Yeah, bed sounds like a good idea.
03:42 jcamins You're very welcome.
03:41 Shane-S Thank you for all the help
03:41 jcamins Chances are good. :)
03:41 Shane-S well jcamins I am heading to bed, I am sure I will see you tomorrow in the afternoon from work
03:41 jcamins You're off to a good start, though.
03:41 jcamins We hope so too. :)
03:41 jcamins :)
03:41 jcamins Isn't git great?
03:41 jcamins git checkout -b 3.6.x origin/3.6.x
03:41 jcamins No, you just have to check out the branch.
03:40 Shane-S I hope I can help contribute a little as I move towards using the system :P
03:40 Shane-S might have to work on my other bug some time :)
03:39 Shane-S ah, then I guess you have to pull down a 3.6 clone?
03:38 jcamins (unless you're patching a bug that exists only in 3.6 because it was fixed as part of an enhancement in master)
03:37 jcamins Yes, you should always do development against master.
03:37 Shane-S I think I pulled from the master and not the 3.06 branch anyway
03:36 jcamins The larger the patch, the more difficult.
03:36 jcamins So it's more like, keeping your patch current is theoretically difficult, but won't be a problem for you.
03:35 jcamins For a patch like this, you shouldn't run into any conflicts, though.
03:35 Shane-S I just know it works because I did it on my "package" system at work :D
03:35 jcamins Right.
03:35 Shane-S That and making a working version from this git so I can test it live at home :P
03:34 Shane-S I guess hard part is keeping it up to date
03:34 Shane-S ah okay :), well that wasn't so hard
03:34 jcamins Without providing a patch, you were at the mercy of someone else to think "gee, I want to be able to hide the SQL, too."
03:32 jcamins And now when someone (like me) is looking for things to patch, your bug will come up.
03:32 jcamins You now change the status to "Needs signoff."
03:32 jcamins Yes.
03:31 Shane-S does patching it speed that up at all?
03:31 jcamins Right.
03:31 Shane-S so then it has to get approval and be signed off on?
03:31 jcamins You attached it correctly, yes.
03:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Printing w/o the SQL Code showing
03:30 Shane-S bug 7646 did I do it right?
03:30 jcamins No idea, then.
03:29 eythian hmm, no, that doesn't match either.
03:29 jcamins This is obviously just speculation.
03:29 jcamins slash session?
03:29 jcamins Other things that were checked out to the person that day?
03:28 eythian it's issued
03:28 jcamins Maybe?
03:28 eythian nope
03:28 eythian I can't determine what makes something "previous"
03:28 jcamins old_issues?
03:28 eythian the list of checkouts is split and down the bottom are "previous checkouts"
03:28 eythian what is a "previous checkout"? when looking at the Check Out screen?
03:27 Amit_Gupta heya bag
03:26 Shane-S for patching...I guess I have to learn the report thingy
03:26 jcamins I do that all the time.
03:26 jcamins That you can certainly do.
03:26 Shane-S just so I can get to files quicker
03:26 Shane-S what if I make the symlinks outside the kohaclone?
03:25 jcamins If it doesn't, that won't work.
03:25 jcamins It depends if that changes the working directory to koha-tmpl...
03:25 jcamins I think that works, but I'm actually not entirely sure.
03:24 Shane-S insteading of going to koha-tmpl/intranet/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/reports/ a symlink that goes there called intranet_tt_files
03:23 jcamins You shouldn't add any symlinks, if that's what you're asking about.
03:22 jcamins Well, it depends what you're doing.
03:22 Shane-S won't mess git up?
03:22 jcamins Sure.
03:21 Shane-S can I use symlinks in the clone directory?
03:21 Shane-S I just ../ out like 10 times
03:21 eythian it tells you where it went
03:21 Shane-S doh!
03:21 eythian ./0001-....
03:21 jcamins Your current directory.
03:20 Shane-S where does it go?
03:20 Shane-S okay so made a patch...
03:19 jcamins Yes.
03:18 Shane-S so then just this? git format-patch origin/master (note: I made a branch last time I set this up)
03:18 Shane-S did my commit...moving on
03:16 jcamins Shane-S: those would be relative paths. :)
03:16 eythian I just copy-paste from a git status
03:16 Shane-S ie like git add ./my_file.tt
03:16 jcamins Well, use relative paths.
03:16 jcamins No.
03:15 Shane-S there a short hand way?
03:15 jcamins No, you need to do that.
03:15 Shane-S so I don't need to do git add /kohaclone/koha-tmpl/.../reports/file_i_just_edited.tt?
03:14 jcamins Then you commit your changes using git commit
03:13 jcamins You make changes to the file, then use git add to add your changes.
03:13 jcamins What do you mean?
03:13 Shane-S I am in the directory where it resides now
03:13 Shane-S okay so git add (files) how do I patch a single file?
03:11 Shane-S yeah...thanks always do it the wrong order :P
03:10 jcamins Shane-S: probably the same as C comments... /* comment */
03:09 Shane-S always get it backwards
03:09 Shane-S is it */ or /* for CSS comments?
03:09 jcamins Culiforge: well, this is progress. Now you just have to find someone who can tell you how to install Modern::Perl on Ubuntu Lucid.
03:09 Shane-S okay :P
03:09 Culiforge jcamins: command is right... cpan i Modern::Perl; many errors and fail
03:08 jcamins ^^ I added the reading list to that, as well. :)
03:08 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
03:08 jcamins git?
03:08 jcamins Then you can attach that file to the relevant bug.
03:08 jcamins You'll need to make the changes you're interested in, add them using git add, then create a patch using git format-patch -1
03:08 jcamins You're not going to be pushing anything.
03:07 Shane-S okay well I have a clone, so I attempting to edit a file...then I need to push/patch (I am following the quick guide on the git site)
03:07 jcamins Shane-S: and Space_Librarian is currently learning git too. :)
03:06 jcamins Shane-S: for a little bit, maybe.
03:06 Shane-S anyone around if I need help with git?
02:59 jcamins I'm just guessing here.
02:59 jcamins Culiforge: cpan i Modern::Perl?
02:59 Culiforge jcamins: Warning: Cannot install Modern, don't know what it is
02:57 Space_Librarian awesome. thanks
02:57 jcamins misc/cronjobs/check-url.pl.
02:56 jcamins Space_Librarian: found it!
02:56 jcamins cpan i Modern, maybe?
02:56 jcamins Culiforge: use cpan.
02:56 Culiforge jcamins: np
02:56 Space_Librarian ^
02:56 Space_Librarian good. it's not just me.
02:56 jcamins Culiforge: that was not for you.
02:56 jcamins I can't find it.
02:55 Culiforge installing koha on another machine.. deb package koha-common wont install due to dependency of libmodern-perl-perl. Says it's not available. running 10.04 and after looking around can only find package as far back as Maverick. Any thoughts?
02:53 Space_Librarian yeah, I thought I'd seen it, but now that I'm looking... I can't find it
02:53 jcamins *know
02:52 jcamins Space_Librarian: I don't knwo where, though.
02:52 jcamins Space_Librarian: I believe so.
02:52 Space_Librarian quick query - we have a link checker in koha, don't we?
02:47 jcamins Well, just so long as I'm not the only who who doesn't get it, I'm happy.
02:46 rangi pass
02:46 rangi yeah
02:46 rangi hmm
02:45 jcamins I was perplexed about what exactly the proposal was.
02:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6418 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , display 590a
02:44 jcamins BTW, does anyone know what to make of Bug 6418?
02:21 Space_Librarian bulletin*
02:20 Space_Librarian I'll start tweaking again after this bulltin goes out
02:20 Space_Librarian okay.
02:19 jcamins It will display in the full record, and you need to patch the results display.
02:19 Space_Librarian So, if I were to change things to 773 now (from 490a) will it display in the short and full record?
02:16 jcamins :)
02:16 Space_Librarian Henceforth I shall do that.
02:16 jcamins Don't use 490 for analytics. I know that's the way it was in AACR1, but I maintain in this day and age it's a bad idea that can only lead to misery.
02:16 Space_Librarian okay.
02:16 jcamins Very strongly.
02:16 jcamins Space_Librarian: BTW, I strongly encourage you to use 773 not 490.
02:15 Space_Librarian ooooh....
02:15 jcamins Space_Librarian: once you get your git install set up, you have everything you need to get the system working the way you want.
02:14 Space_Librarian jcamins when I figure out how to do that, I will. :) Thanks though.
02:13 rangi heh
02:09 wizzyrea really I just like kicking myself.
02:09 wizzyrea silly guest. ;)
02:03 jcamins *that is
02:02 jcamins Space_Librarian: you'll want to combine the change that in my repo with the code for showing 773 in the details display.
02:00 * jcamins returns.
01:05 jcamins_away Back later.
01:05 jcamins_away https://github.com/jcamins/koha/commit/00ca3466c41c5a2423da13c5e5f0584666ff1d2f
01:04 jcamins_away Branch nnan2
01:04 jcamins_away There's an example.
01:04 jcamins_away See my GitHub repo.
01:04 Space_Librarian I will ponder the conundrum some more.
01:04 Space_Librarian go watch ST.
01:03 rangi in the details it does, but not results, yeah and it should
01:03 jcamins_away It should.
01:03 jcamins_away Wait, no, it doesn't.
01:03 Space_Librarian it does?
01:03 jcamins_away That shows up.
01:03 jcamins_away My wife is going to kill me if I don't go watch Star Trek soon, but, what's wrong with 773?
01:02 Space_Librarian so that the journal title will display in the short record on the opac
01:02 jcamins_away Errr...
01:02 Space_Librarian and it's more like putting 490a into the subtitles
01:02 Space_Librarian We're cataloging articles
01:02 jcamins_away Why are you putting the subtitle in 490?
01:01 Space_Librarian will go do some research.
01:01 Space_Librarian cool.
01:01 Space_Librarian ah. I see it.
01:00 jcamins_away It's that <xsl:choose><xsl:when ...>...</xsl:when>...<xsl:otherwise>...</xsl:otherwise></xsl:choose> bit
01:00 jcamins_away You don't have access to frameworks in XSLT.
01:00 jcamins_away That's NORMARC, but the concept stands.
00:59 jcamins_away http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/NORMARCslim2OPACDetail.xsl;h=19cee917ddbbfa3546459f6a1d2b4896acb3ef94;hb=HEAD#l26
00:59 Space_Librarian which ST ep?
00:59 Space_Librarian because if you could tweak it to an if/then for say, 490a displaying as a subtitle in a specific framework... but I need more coffee to think coherently.
00:59 rangi thanks
00:59 jcamins_away Yeah, I'll find an example real quick before going to watch a Star Trek episode.
00:58 rangi jcamins_away probably knows better than I about xslt
00:58 Space_Librarian I will look that up.
00:58 Space_Librarian okay.
00:58 rangi but not sure how
00:58 rangi im pretty sure you can
00:58 rangi ah yeah, thats the xsl
00:58 Space_Librarian just looking at the raw data.
00:58 jcamins_away Now I can stop telling people to PM me their e-mail address.
00:58 jcamins_away I added a Further Reading section to the git page.
00:57 rangi in xsl ?
00:57 wahanui i guess the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
00:57 jcamins_away the first question?
00:57 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: I think you might be confused.
00:57 Space_Librarian quick question, can you code in if/then statements in git?
00:52 jcamins_away Exactly.
00:52 Space_Librarian But no time like the present.
00:51 Space_Librarian It's been on my to-do list for a while.
00:51 Space_Librarian jcamins_away ;)
00:50 jcamins_away Space_Librarian++
00:50 Space_Librarian I really do need to learn git, don't i?
00:50 rangi :)
00:49 wahanui rumour has it git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
00:49 rangi git?
00:49 rangi in that case
00:49 Space_Librarian shorter is not always better...
00:47 * Space_Librarian grins like a maniac.
00:47 rangi the long term plan, would be to do a git clone and get your own local koha running for doing dev on, but for this we can do it the shorter way if you want
00:46 rangi and we can see how it looks
00:46 rangi if you wanted to change one, and send it to me, ill put it on your staging server
00:45 rangi to download the files
00:45 rangi at this page, you can click raw
00:45 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt
00:45 * rangi hopes he is actually being helpful not confusing
00:45 rangi we want to put that in the results one too
00:44 rangi the block that does the series stuff
00:44 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl#l160
00:44 rangi now see this
00:44 rangi is the detail bit
00:44 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl
00:44 rangi results too
00:44 rangi that is the xslt file for the restuls
00:43 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
00:42 rangi ill show you the file
00:41 Space_Librarian Where do I go, and what do I do.
00:41 * Space_Librarian rolls up her sleeves.
00:41 rangi exactly :)
00:39 Space_Librarian and I'll get my name added to contributers? *looks hopeful*
00:05 rangi but to do so in a way that would be accpted upstream, so we dont have to do it every upgrade :)
00:05 rangi to get the 490a displaying on a new line in the results, easiest way is to edit the xsl file
00:04 * Space_Librarian ponders
00:04 Space_Librarian d'oh
00:04 rangi no
00:03 Space_Librarian rangi can that be done in the koha to marc mapping?