Time Nick Message 23:59 rangi not me 23:58 ky Hi All, Does anyone here have any experience with Koha + Vufind ? 23:56 rangi not using the keywords method 23:55 rangi it could if you made the xslt display the 490 23:55 rangi but you might like the icons etc that you get in xslt 23:55 Space_Librarian the thing is... could it display on the next line... 23:55 rangi that would fix the amp issue, so you could use normal view in the results page 23:54 Space_Librarian orly... 23:07 rangi yep or tht 23:07 * wizzyrea cackles 23:07 wizzyrea or you can go up to 3.6 4 and get that tiny patch >.> 23:06 Space_Librarian I need lunch, and I will think on it. 23:06 Space_Librarian Okay. 23:06 rangi at the moment 23:06 rangi or the 490a 23:06 rangi like i said you can have xslt 23:06 rangi yes 23:06 Space_Librarian you turned it back on, and we lost the 490a lol 23:06 wizzyrea *nod* 23:06 rangi so probably what you want is the 490(all subfields) to display in the xslt 23:06 Space_Librarian rofl 23:05 wizzyrea fixed now though 23:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7535 minor, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Master , OPAC displays ampersands incorrectly. 23:05 Space_Librarian awesome. 23:05 wizzyrea bug 7535 23:05 Space_Librarian rangi++ 23:05 rangi back how it was 23:05 Space_Librarian wizzyrea++ 23:05 rangi oh wait i just did 23:05 rangi just switch back to xslt 23:04 Space_Librarian Our cataloguer is having a heart attack. This is hilarious. 23:04 wizzyrea that was a bug 23:04 Space_Librarian Yet the & are displaying as & in the titles on the opac. 23:03 wizzyrea ha 23:03 wizzyrea oh it's 5. 23:03 rangi not yet we dont 23:03 Space_Librarian it* 23:03 Space_Librarian Our reference librarian loves 23:02 wizzyrea so you can make your own and get rid of it if you don't like it :P 23:02 wizzyrea don't we? 23:02 Space_Librarian it is mad. 23:02 wizzyrea well we have "link to custom xslt" now 23:02 * wizzyrea sighs 23:02 wizzyrea but there is that. 23:02 Space_Librarian gotit. Ta! :) 23:02 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 23:02 wizzyrea @quote get 123 23:01 wizzyrea I simply cannot imagine that people would *not* want to see the subtitles in results 23:01 rangi Space_Librarian: that link was for you 23:01 rangi but it has to be something everyone wants to upstream it 23:01 rangi yep you can of course make the xslt show them 23:01 wizzyrea and series info 23:01 wizzyrea + volume stuff 23:01 wizzyrea not so keen on intranetxslt then bc our librarians lurve the subtitles 23:01 rangi to display 490 23:00 rangi MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl 23:00 rangi so there are 2 options, go with normal 23:00 wizzyrea hrm 23:00 rangi thats normal results display in the opac, and now, we have subtitles 22:59 rangi http://library.nzica.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=emar2012 22:59 rangi so it uses normal, which does keywords xslt doesnt, and never has 22:59 rangi (there is no results xslt for intranet) 22:59 wizzyrea moar keywords :) 22:58 rangi lemme try something 22:58 rangi because results in intranet ... doesnt use xslt :) 22:58 Space_Librarian it's fine in the full record 22:58 Space_Librarian yeah, we sorta need it in the results page. 22:58 rangi xslt is different there 22:58 rangi yeah 22:58 rangi not mad, just way less puzzled 22:58 wizzyrea but it does in the intranet :) 22:57 rangi hehe 22:57 wizzyrea ok don't be mad - the v doesn't show in the opac 22:57 rangi http://library.nzica.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=34847 <-- Space_Librarian i can see the 490a here .. so its just the results page you want it? 22:55 wizzyrea sorry, lol, takes a sec to find one I had to ask ^.^ 22:53 wizzyrea k sec 22:53 rangi but if you can find one with a 490v showing i can find out how its oding it 22:53 rangi cos looking at the code, nothing in here looks for keywords 22:53 wizzyrea and nothing special afaik 22:52 wizzyrea yep 22:52 rangi do you have xslt on liz? 22:52 wizzyrea sec 22:52 wizzyrea like so 22:51 rangi can you show me one of that has 490 showing in your result list? 22:51 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/Bmc9rmebYlNK 22:51 wizzyrea we have those all mapped in keyword -> marc mapping, they didn't show before, and now they do? THis seems odd to me based on what you're saying 22:51 Space_Librarian coolio 22:50 rangi the xslt has no idea about that 22:50 rangi nothing to do with keywords tho 22:50 Space_Librarian :s so confuzzed 22:50 rangi yep 22:50 wizzyrea and afaict they all show... or maybe they don't. 22:50 wizzyrea we show the p and n and 490v as well 22:50 rangi because the xsl is telling it to 22:50 rangi its showing the 245b 22:50 Space_Librarian ah-ha. 22:49 rangi </xsl:if> 22:49 rangi </xsl:call-template> 22:49 rangi <xsl:with-param name="codes">b</xsl:with-param> 22:49 rangi <xsl:call-template name="subfieldSelect"> 22:49 rangi <xsl:text> </xsl:text> 22:49 rangi <xsl:if test="marc:subfield[@code='b']"> 22:49 rangi is this 22:49 rangi the reason it shows up for liz 22:49 rangi and its not 22:48 rangi no not you, is in the xsl im just seeing where the subtitle bit is referenced in the xsl 22:48 Space_Librarian I thought I'd changed that 22:48 * Space_Librarian looks blankly at rangi 22:47 rangi the only Other Title in the xsl for the opac is for 246 22:46 Space_Librarian that's never a good sign. 22:46 rangi interesting 22:44 Space_Librarian 490a 22:44 Space_Librarian yup. 22:43 rangi so 490 is the series statement right? 22:41 Space_Librarian all the articles we're about to promote 22:41 Space_Librarian emar2012 22:41 rangi whats a good search to test with Space_Librarian ? 22:40 Space_Librarian more keywords. yes 22:40 wizzyrea :P 22:40 Space_Librarian and that looks good 22:40 wizzyrea also: we should make more keywords. 22:40 wizzyrea as far as I've been told you can stick any marc field in those mappings and it'll show up where the subtitle goes 22:39 wizzyrea this is what ours looks like with the subtitle/volume keywords on 22:39 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=naruto&limit= 22:38 Space_Librarian oh geez. this just keeps getting better. 22:38 wizzyrea results either 22:38 rangi then nope no idea, theres no caching of detail pages at this end 22:38 Space_Librarian yup. Checked that 22:38 wizzyrea yep 22:38 * Space_Librarian looks at wizzyrea 22:38 rangi do you xslt display switched on for both ? 22:37 * Space_Librarian nods 22:37 rangi you did it with keyword to marc mappings? 22:37 wizzyrea (in practice) 22:37 * Space_Librarian doesn't either 22:37 * wizzyrea doesn't know how it works 22:37 wizzyrea memcache wouldn't affect it? 22:37 Space_Librarian There are many things, Horatio... that work in the staff client and don't quite do it on the opac 22:37 rangi well theres not at our end 22:36 Space_Librarian you would know better than I. 22:36 rangi hmm it should show pretty much instaneously .. is there some kinda proxy between you and the catalogue? 22:36 rangi ah yep 22:36 Space_Librarian but it's not showing in the opac yet 22:35 Space_Librarian it should work 22:35 Space_Librarian seeing if we can get the 490a to display as a subtitle in the short form records of the articles... 22:34 rangi your catalogue caches? 22:34 mveron The Zen of gauge... (or something like this...) 22:34 Space_Librarian :) 22:34 mveron Oh, my fvorite movie: Some gauge running through, waiting until it is finished 22:33 * Space_Librarian and the awesome wizzyrea have been hacking subfields 22:32 Space_Librarian my catalogue caches, and I have to wait for the hour to see how it looks. 22:32 mveron ? 22:31 * Space_Librarian eyes her catalogue warily 22:05 mveron I would need such patch for CHF (Swiss Francs). 22:04 maximep hmmm and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ? 22:02 mveron IMHO the sub could be renamed / refactored not only to put a currency Indicator, but do the formatting as well 22:02 mveron Aleksa did a lot of work to find where in the code such function would apply (an dadded to patch). 22:02 mveron Patch by Aleksa Vujicic. Paul Poulin commented: "I think it's the *perfect* candidate for Template::Toolkit plugins." 22:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4078 trivial, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, In Discussion , Display active currency symbol on currency output and input 22:02 mveron rangi: I found Bug 4078 - Display active currency symbol on currency output and input 21:19 cait :) 21:18 wizzyrea gnite cait 21:18 mveron Good night, cait 21:17 cait tired - night all! 21:16 * mveron Should put his glasses 21:15 mveron Ok, Rangi, will seachr & file... 21:15 mveron And then look to find a very tiny, little bug/enhancement, because I would like to walk through the whole process... Just for learning... 21:15 rangi yeah have a search, and file one 21:13 mveron I propose to file a bug / enhancementfor the currency thing (maybe there is alredy one?) 21:12 mveron ...and add Euro in the same step. I dont'think they want t use CHF in Germany :-) CHF is to heigh :-) (Which is a problem for us). 21:11 mveron rangi: I agree. 21:10 rangi consilidate code first, then change it 21:10 rangi else you are doing it the hardway 21:10 rangi my first step would be get it in a plugin, and just add CHF to the list koha can format, next step would be to allow arbitrary formats 21:10 sekjal so, a set of formats, and then each currency can be associated with one 21:09 sekjal would need to be able to indicate the formatting style for manually added currencies 21:08 mveron So you need to be able to properly format all currencies. 21:07 mveron rangi: I think 2 prefs would be OK, one to do the formats and one to choose. Anyway, there could be situations where you need e.g. CHF and EURO 21:07 cait mveron: that does not look right 21:06 cait how it formats and where it's used 21:06 mveron You would have to extract tohe format string form "EURO: 360,000,00... 21:06 cait talking about the other pref 21:05 rangi simple as that 21:05 rangi you can move it by just changin what .pref file its in 21:04 cait not sure how that works really 21:04 rangi id just move it 21:04 cait no, get rid of the other 21:04 rangi that might get messy really fast 21:04 rangi hmmm 2 prefs for currency? 21:04 cait but might be cleaner to add a new pref in i18n? 21:04 rangi you can move it 21:04 cait not sure if we should reuse the existing pref 21:03 rangi ill turn that into a plugin for you 21:03 rangi well if you add the syspref and write the logic to format it 21:02 * mveron Just wanted to have some small thing to get used to git / patch / etc... 21:02 cait could be a good time perhaps to step through lots of templates in a group 21:02 rangi the way the eurozone is going, who knows how long we will have the euro :) 21:01 cait ew could try to insert it into the templates in marseille perhaps 21:01 mveron But you are rigt, it should be done à fond. 21:01 cait if we get the plugin right 21:01 mveron Oh... I see. I just wanted to make a little joke about Euro :-) 21:01 * cait nods 21:00 rangi :) 21:00 rangi yep, i just want us to fix it properly so we dont have to redo this all again for the next currency 21:00 cait 7 in germany, but it's wrong here too 20:59 cait but it's true, it would be nice if Koha could do it better :( 20:59 mveron cait: How many Koha-Installations in Switzerland? 20:59 cait mveron: we never got any complaints if that helps :) 20:58 mveron me/ I just want prevent potential Koha-Users in Switzerland to say: "They not even can display our currency". 20:58 cait and very easy to add more formats later on :) 20:57 rangi much easier 20:57 wizzyrea that really would be top notch. 20:57 rangi then it would just be touching .tt files 20:57 rangi if we had a plugin, that used the syspref 20:57 cait mveron: I think I use FR in our installations, similar enough. but as I said, it's hardly used anywhere for display - that system preference, only a few places in acq 20:56 rangi you have to go touch .pl files 20:56 rangi yeah mveron what im saying is currently we do it badly, and if you want formatted currency in the opac, or somewhere else 20:56 cait mveron: i doubt it will be enough 20:56 cait but it's hardly used anywhere, only on a few screens I think 20:56 mveron cait: Because there are choices like US: 360'000.00 (US) , for Euro as well, so I added CH: 360'000.00 (CHF) as additional choice... 20:56 cait rangi: sorry, just started reading back. there is a currency formatting thing in acq 20:55 cait what you want to do as a first step is insert it into administration > currencies, set it to 1 and make it active :) 20:55 rangi be better the i18n tab? 20:55 cait the format therer eis hardly used anywhere 20:55 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Displaying_dates 20:54 cait mveron: why in acq.ref? 20:53 rangi you will see a file KohaDates.pm 20:53 rangi if you look in Koha/Template/Plugin/ 20:53 rangi then the templats can just format the number in the appropriate format, without having to muck around in the .pl files 20:52 wizzyrea specifically http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Doing_work_on_Koha_with_Git 20:51 wahanui version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 20:51 wizzyrea version control using git 20:51 rangi is build a TT plugin, like we have for Dates, for currencies 20:51 rangi what you really want to do 20:51 rangi oh 20:50 mveron We need Swiss Francs (CHF) as Currency Format, so I branched out, inserted the code in ascquisitions.pref. Works. What would be the next step? 20:49 cait :) 20:48 cait mveron: branches are your friend 20:48 mveron So I'm keen (ungeduldig) to do my first little step with git. 20:47 cait mveron++ :) 20:47 mveron Thanks! I must say I'm a little bit proud.... 20:47 rangi nice work mveron 20:47 jcamins mveron++ 20:47 jcamins Woohoo! 20:46 jcamins lol 20:46 mveron I heard you all, my dev / git installation is ready... It finally runs paralel to the package installation, listens to port 81 and 8081 20:46 Shane-S 49x don't fit our printers, need 49a 20:46 cait bye jcamins 20:46 jcamins I'll be back later... much. 20:46 Shane-S lol jcamins yep 20:46 jcamins Similar tasks for similar times. 20:46 jcamins Heh. 20:46 jcamins Okay, time to run off to the printers'. 20:46 Shane-S I have to go exchange toners :P 20:46 Shane-S alright all I have to split, thanks for the help 20:45 * oleonard dusts off git bisect 20:45 * Shane-S is paid to know everything, do everything, and then explain....I am just a single human in the IT field 20:44 wizzyrea worth every penny of your salaried time to learn it. 20:44 wizzyrea not just great. Fabulous. 20:44 wizzyrea it will be great to know git. 20:44 wizzyrea if you do any kind of coding at all in your job 20:43 * Shane-S has a Pinky & the Brain moment...are you pondering what I am pondering...how this can pay my salary so I can have the time to learn this... 20:43 jcamins Shane-S: PM me your e-mail address? 20:43 * jcamins doesn't have time to send the e-mail to the list now, so... 20:43 wizzyrea (that's not even a lie) 20:43 jcamins Actually, I never sent that e-mail to the list. 20:43 wizzyrea also we're here to help, and we like talking about git because every time we talk about it we learn something new 20:42 jcamins Shane-S: see my e-mail to the list about git resources. 20:42 jcamins hdl reported it, I think, but I didn't have time to test to see if it was still an issue. 20:42 * Shane-S walks away head down, hands in pockets, kicking dirt :P 20:42 wizzyrea Shane-S: it's really a lot... easier... than you think 20:42 rangi your life will be a million times easier Shane-S :) 20:42 Shane-S okay...I will come back to this when I learn git... 20:42 wizzyrea (being a dumb english speaker and all) 20:42 rangi oleonard: i was complaining about that the other day also 20:42 maximep of course there is :/ 20:41 jcamins There's an old bug for that. 20:41 rangi oh, good catch maximep 20:41 wizzyrea i assumed I did something wrong with translations. 20:41 maximep looks like a bug to me :S 20:41 maximep just fyi, QueryAutoTruncate didn't work because QueryWeightFields was turned on 20:41 rangi you make your changes test them on a staging/test system, build and deploy packages to production 20:41 jcamins Shane-S: there are two important corollaries: don't make code changes on a production system, and don't make code changes on a system run off packages. 20:41 wizzyrea oleonard: I thought it was me >.< but it hasn't for a while 20:40 * Space_Librarian agrees 20:40 wizzyrea listen to the sages. 20:40 oleonard Since when does the language chooser not reflect the currently-chosen of multiple language variants? (fr-FR, fr-CA) 20:40 * wizzyrea nods 20:40 rangi what jcamins said 20:40 jcamins Shane-S: don't *ever* make code changes on a production system run off packages. 20:40 * wizzyrea nibbles 20:40 * Space_Librarian shares the popcorn with wizzyrea as they watch rangi be clownish 20:40 wizzyrea ^^ smart 20:39 Shane-S I only ask that because I won't be making many changes on the server if it is a production system 20:39 * wizzyrea giggles at Space_Librarian 20:39 Shane-S I can't* 20:39 * Space_Librarian pulls out the popcorn 20:38 * Shane-S bear in mind I can even make a install.php file for a basic "hello world" script 20:38 Shane-S rangi...let me ask this....say I have my server from packages (easier install), but I use a home system with git to publish my changes, can my server be tied to my packages? 20:38 rangi to build your own packages 20:38 rangi use debian/build-git-snapshot 20:38 wizzyrea from git. 20:37 wizzyrea roll your own package 20:37 wizzyrea ^^^^ 20:37 rangi the 2nd best way 20:37 rangi get your changes into master, then they will come out in the next package 20:37 wizzyrea silly 20:37 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot best way 20:37 wizzyrea forget the best way 20:37 wahanui the best way is to make the local sendmail server relay via my google mail service 20:37 rangi the best way 20:37 Shane-S how does git go to a package...aren't they seperate? 20:37 wizzyrea a *brilliant* clown. 20:37 wizzyrea :) 20:37 rangi that guys a clown 20:37 cait :) 20:37 rangi i dont 20:36 cait ^^^^^ 20:36 wizzyrea trust rangi, we all do. 20:36 rangi then deploy to production with packages 20:36 wizzyrea ^^^^^ 20:36 rangi if you want to do dev 20:36 rangi im pretty sure 50,000 people have said this already, but use git 20:36 wizzyrea do your dev on a git install, submit, qa, then get it back when it makes it in ;) 20:36 rangi wether you upgrade with packages or the tarball 20:36 wizzyrea *nod* don't do code changes on a package install. 20:36 Shane-S yeah I did 20:35 rangi then it will 20:35 rangi it will, if you locall modified files 20:35 Shane-S I just want to test if it works and/or breaks my print change 20:34 rangi there is 3.6.3 tho, you could upgrade to that if you wanted to or just wait for 3.6.4 20:34 rangi there isnt a package for 3.6.4 yet, it was only released yesterday, wait a couple of days 20:33 Shane-S I used packages 20:33 Shane-S how do I make it update to 3.06.04? 20:33 Shane-S damn...3.06.02 20:33 wizzyrea more -> about koha 20:32 Shane-S any quick way to check my version? 20:29 Shane-S wait I think apt-get update just updates the file listings right? 20:27 * Shane-S wonders if files changed on me 20:27 Shane-S oh no....gut check time...apt-get just updated Koha... 20:26 wizzyrea no, your best bet is going to be either convert it from docbook yourself to get a monolith, or wait a bit on me :P 20:25 Shane-S I will just print out what she asks for 20:25 Shane-S oh well, thanks for looking, I can't print the whole thing anyway 20:25 maximep wget mirror style :p 20:25 maximep I guess you could download all the html pages hehe 20:25 wizzyrea (and is a bit ugly anyway) 20:24 wizzyrea there's a pdf, but it looks to be out of date. 20:24 wizzyrea Shane-S: I'll just tell you now, a monolith html doesn't exist on manual.k-c.org 20:24 cait oleonard: what are you trying to do? 20:24 oleonard Man, testing template changes in multiple translations is a pain in the butt 20:23 Shane-S jcamins: I tried manual.html, full.html, man.html, complete.html (no luck) 20:23 * kathryn waves back 20:23 * cait waves 20:22 maximep yeah, probably a difference in some other pref because same zebra and doesn't work on one 20:22 * Shane-S notes that .pdf says 3.4 20:21 wizzyrea hi kathryn 20:21 kathryn good morning! 20:21 * Shane-S wonders if wizzyrea toe hurts yet 20:21 jcamins wizzyrea: there's no manual.html? 20:21 wizzyrea Shane-S: that's probably the link he was thinking of 20:20 Shane-S wizzyrea: thanks, but did jcamins ever jog his memory? 20:20 cait maximep: and I don't rmember the problem clearly :( could be in twas in combination with one of the other search prefs 20:20 cait maximep: if you have not actiaved it manually, you are not using it 20:17 maximep -_- 20:17 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/manual.pdf 20:17 wizzyrea try 20:17 maximep zebraisx -V = using ICU 20:17 maximep ah 20:16 maximep how do I find out if i'm using icu 20:16 maximep -_- 20:16 cait with icu I think 20:16 maximep set to only if * is added and it shows the same results with or without * 20:16 cait hm yes 20:16 maximep anyone remember having problems with the syspref QueryAutoTruncate not working correctly ? 20:14 wizzyrea sorry to be sweary today 20:14 wizzyrea ! 20:14 wizzyrea oh hell I'm in. 20:13 wizzyrea k ty, I coudln't remember 20:13 rangi wizzyrea: naw, jenkins isnt doing it anymore 20:12 wizzyrea we could just convert it 20:12 wizzyrea mhm 20:12 jcamins wizzyrea: I used to have shell access. :P 20:12 wizzyrea oh, in that case take your time >.> 20:11 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm trying to remember. 20:11 Shane-S so uh...http://koha-community.org/koha-3-6-1/ seems <pre> should be replaced with something that will wrap :P 20:11 * wizzyrea taps her toe impatiently 20:11 * wizzyrea scolds jcamins for holding out 20:11 * wizzyrea will put a link to it if you provide it :P 20:11 wizzyrea well shit, dawg. 20:11 wizzyrea where? 20:11 wizzyrea ! lol, uh, there is? 20:11 jcamins No link to it, though... 20:10 Shane-S I meant online :P 20:10 jcamins There's also a page with the entire manual. 20:10 wizzyrea it's in docbook format 20:10 wizzyrea it's a git repo, you can just download the source ;) 20:10 Shane-S yeah how do you view it in whole? 20:10 wizzyrea or section by section I guess. 20:10 wizzyrea oh you mean page by page? 20:09 wahanui rumour has it the website is http://www.koha-community.org 20:09 jcamins wizzyrea: the website. 20:09 wizzyrea your docbook viewer? 20:09 wizzyrea from what, jcamins? 20:09 wizzyrea or that 20:08 jcamins You can also just print to PDF if you're lazy like me. 20:08 wizzyrea that script converts it to html, adds the stuff to each page for pagenumber, tidies, then converts it into pdf 20:08 Shane-S ah okay thanks wizzyrea 20:07 wizzyrea but that's the basic gist. 20:07 Shane-S I might just print the key pages we need instead :D 20:07 wizzyrea and xhtml2pdf 20:07 wizzyrea docbook2html 20:07 wizzyrea you need 20:07 wizzyrea https://github.com/wizzyrea/Scripts-and-Things/blob/master/PDF-convert.sh 20:07 Shane-S OMG...nearly 400 pages...Add duplexing...200 sheets of paper...hmm...not sure I can bind that :P 20:06 Shane-S wizzyrea: So how would one go about making a PDF w/ Linux? 20:05 wizzyrea sure, pop back anytime 20:05 gmasters thanks all 20:04 * wizzyrea didn't know he did arithmetic 20:04 oleonard Heh. 20:04 wizzyrea thanks wahanui :P 20:04 wahanui -1 20:04 wizzyrea 2005-2006? 20:04 jcamins gmasters: I am a cataloger, but I get a lot of grief about catalogers not liking Koha. 20:03 gmasters A few months ago. My wife works for the Sunnyvale Public Library and their cataloger is into OSS even though they use Millenium 20:03 wizzyrea s/than/then/ 20:03 * Shane-S had the same experience in 2008/2009 20:03 wizzyrea OB was a lot easier to use then Koha pre-3.0 20:03 wizzyrea i remember I looked at koha and it was a lot more confusing than openbiblio 20:03 wizzyrea let's see, way pre-3.0 20:02 oleonard When was that wizzyrea? 20:02 jcamins [off] A *cataloger* recommended it? Wow! 20:02 gmasters Our local public library cataloger also recommended it to me highly. 20:02 wizzyrea it was years and years ago 20:02 wizzyrea in all truth, koha and openbiblio were about equivalent in terms of function at the time. Not anymore though. 20:01 wizzyrea Koha will be a *much* better fit for you 20:01 wizzyrea *nod* openbiblio was the first open source ILS we tried here at NEKLS too (for one small, poor library) 20:00 gmasters Good point. I'll use the CSV and repull. I'll also try to document the procedure I used so that others will have it. OpenBiblio is very inactive. It was fine when I took over the library, but we have been growing exponentially and want to start a consortium of member libraries. 19:59 jcamins gmasters: just be glad it's five hundred fifty and not fifty-five hundred or fifty-five thousand. ;) 19:58 bag yeah it's been hot here lately 19:57 gmasters I do have that. Am I going to have to use my CSV listing from OpenBiblio and re-pull all my records (I have over 550 volumes in this rapidly growing library!) 19:57 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.6°C (11:55 AM PST on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). 19:57 bag @wunder 93109 19:56 wizzyrea marcedit, you will need it :/ 19:56 wizzyrea we had a library go from openbiblio -> koha, but we didn't do the migration ourselves. 19:56 wizzyrea oh wow. 19:56 gmasters I just installed koha 3.06.04 and want to migrate my OPAC from OpenBiblio 0.6.1. The CSV report doesn't give full MARC records just my in-house accession numbers, call numbers, titles and collection names. Is there are a well-documented procedure that will help me complete the migration 19:55 wizzyrea i might even be nice and make one for you if you ask nicely ;) 19:55 wizzyrea Shane-S: it's not tooooo difficult to make your own pdf if you use linux 19:54 wizzyrea or did we stop doing that? 19:54 wizzyrea ping rangi - is jenkins still generating the pdf's for the manual? 19:54 wizzyrea and "I thought they were generating pdf's for that" 19:54 oleonard Shane-S: It will apply where they are the same. It won't apply where they are different. 19:53 Shane-S apparently I lost wifi...I missed the response 19:53 wizzyrea I thought they were generating pdf's for that 19:52 oleonard It will apply where they are the same. It won't apply where they are different. 19:51 Shane-S Would the 3.2 Manual apply to 3.6, I need the PDF to print out for my Librarian so we can earmark and notate things we need, have done, or will do. 19:40 * magnus_afk wanders off 19:37 huginn magnus_afk: I suck 19:37 jcamins magnus_afk: I thought Shane-S might not have been able to translate that into a quote. ;) 19:37 magnus_afk @dunno 19:37 magnus_afk thanks jcamins 19:36 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 19:36 jcamins @quote get 123 19:36 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 19:36 huginn magnus_afk: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". 19:36 magnus_afk @get quote 123 19:36 cait every ILS is I think 19:34 wizzyrea Koha *is* massive. 19:32 Shane-S Just start that after I learn more first ;) 19:31 Shane-S Thanks guys...FYI Koha is massive, you should have Koha Certification classes to pay yourselves and make the project $$ :P 19:30 Shane-S sweet that is awesome! 19:28 Shane-S nm that is for drop downs 19:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add ability to suspend reserves. 19:28 sekjal ah, that reminds me, bag was asking me to look at bug 7641 on Frida 19:27 Shane-S magnus_afk / jcamins : Says it is limited to branches, itemtypes, and categorycode, I need borrowers sort1 sort2 19:25 wizzyrea (bless his patient heart. I keep saying it because it's true) 19:25 wizzyrea or srdjan did 19:25 wizzyrea went for monolith. 19:25 wizzyrea yea, that's a huge feature. We did the same with 7001 19:24 jcamins Easier to say "okay, create a new branch and apply this one patch" than "okay, create a new branch and apply thirty patches." 19:23 jcamins Also, I kept on rewriting history. 19:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Authority matching algorithm improvements 19:23 jcamins I went with monolothic for bug 7284 because people were starting to get annoyed at the number of patches. 19:23 sekjal not always possible, but nice when it is 19:23 sekjal I'm a big fan of small, easy to test patches 19:22 wizzyrea sort of thing. 19:22 wizzyrea yea, idk how best to handle that 19:20 sekjal though if I'm going to get that fine-grained, I suppose I should just file separate reports 19:20 sekjal and perhaps parallel patches could be [Step 1a], [Step 1b], etc 19:19 sekjal I've thought about labeling my multiple patches on a bug with [Step 1], [Step 2], etc 19:19 wizzyrea but I deal :P 19:19 wizzyrea I hate it when you can't test a patch without another one applied first. 19:19 wizzyrea ^^ 19:19 sekjal patches that can be tested separately should be kept separate. If multiple patches depend on each other to work, then I can squashing them 19:17 wizzyrea lol - laziness to rival my own no doubt. 19:17 jcamins Remember, I am *very* lazy. 19:17 * jcamins either, but often you'll be testing a patch by one person, and a follow-up by someone else. 19:17 wizzyrea or I have permission from the followupper. 19:17 * wizzyrea doesn't care so much as long as I've authored them all 19:17 jcamins Use git ri if you are sure you want them squashed. 19:16 * jcamins prefers preserving multiple patches. 19:16 wizzyrea that would probably be something like "git squash" 19:16 wizzyrea as part of it 19:16 wizzyrea or squash them 19:14 jcamins If it were really clever, it would do a git status to get the number of patches, and then loop through them. 19:14 jcamins oleonard: not so well. 19:14 wizzyrea hm probably doesn't 19:13 * oleonard wonders how the git so alias handles bugs with multiple patches 19:08 jcamins Where you use double angle brackets. 19:07 jcamins Shane-S: I think that's already done. 19:07 magnus_afk Shane-S: have you seen http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/reports.html#reportfromsql ? 19:05 Shane-S how involved would it be to add an input field to a saved report box. I know I can do it via SQL, I just need a variable passed through. I would add it to the WHERE clause 18:59 Shane-S So hopefully when I get git on my VM at home I can apply a git change 18:59 Shane-S well it is trackable, so I am good I documented my change well enough for me to make it again if the template does change 18:55 jcamins You'll now get an e-mail every time someone modifies that report. 18:55 Shane-S If so when I get around to setting up my home system I will use git 18:55 jcamins And if the template changes, git will help resolve the conflicts, whereas diff/patch will not (as I understand it). 18:55 Shane-S I can track my bugs right? 18:54 jcamins git patch would be much better, because if you just supply a diff, you're gambling that someone else will be interested enough to reformat it into a git patch. 18:54 jcamins maximep: right, I wasn't answering that question. 18:54 maximep but a git patch would be btter 18:54 maximep or just a diff file1 file2 > diff.patch 18:53 jcamins ^^ see that document for an introduction. :) 18:53 wahanui well, version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 18:53 jcamins version control using git? 18:53 jcamins Shane-S: git is easy. 18:53 Shane-S how would I do that? 18:52 maximep the template could change before someone can take a look at your patch, so attaching a diff would be good 18:50 Shane-S I feel kinda happy I have hopefully helped add a little to the project, tiny things I wanted...but hopefully others like and can use it :D 18:49 maximep maybe just a diff between the original and your modification would be a start 18:47 Shane-S It looks pretty on my print preview :) 18:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Printing w/o the SQL Code showing 18:47 Shane-S okay okay...sometime I have to learn git....but bug 7646 (I submitted my code change) 18:32 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.4°C (10:30 AM PST on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady). 18:32 bag @wunder 93109 18:31 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is -10.0°C (1:00 PM EST on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -20.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 18:31 maximep @wunder cyqb 18:31 huginn maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is -7.2°C (1:29 PM EST on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Rising). 18:31 maximep @wunder yqb 18:15 jcamins Maybe I should try that out, see if it is helpful. 18:12 maximep oh, that git prompt is cooler than mine 18:08 Shane-S ah okay thanks 18:08 sekjal Shane-S: they're .tt now, and located in koha-tmpl 18:07 Shane-S where are template files? using locate .tmpl didn't return anything 18:05 sekjal http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Tips_and_tricks#Git_aliases_to_simplify_command_tasks 17:50 Shane-S For me...no problem...for a person who can't login to email....would like to keep it at "Print" 17:49 wahanui it has been said that the first question is "What are you trying to do?" 17:49 wizzyrea the first question 17:49 wizzyrea most people just do that if they want to print them 17:49 wizzyrea Shane-S: you know that you can just download the results as CSV or TAB right? 17:48 sekjal we may need to reevaluate it in a git-bz based workflow 17:48 wizzyrea so make one :P 17:48 Shane-S yeah...problem is there is no "print media" CSS section through Admin area 17:48 sekjal prepending [SIGNED-OFF] to the first line of the commit message was a convention we used larger for the patches list, as I recall 17:47 jcamins Shane-S: no, you'll have to use javascript or CSS. 17:45 wizzyrea that will make hooks a lot less annoying. Grammar. geez. 17:45 wizzyrea that makes hooks a lot less annoying. 17:45 * wizzyrea learns something about git commit -- the -n flag for "no-verify" or "skip hooks" 17:44 wizzyrea not that I'm aware of 17:43 Shane-S is there a URL value I can pass to NOT show SQL statements in the guided_reports.pl w/ phase = Run this Report, I tried &showsql=0 17:43 wizzyrea which was the original reason for this alias adventure. 17:43 wizzyrea now, how to get it to prepend the first line with [Signed Off] 17:42 wizzyrea yep, exactly 17:42 sekjal so = !sh -c 'prove t xt && git commit --amend -s && git bz attach -e $1 HEAD' - 17:38 wizzyrea *nod* that works, sticking a prove t xt in front of git commit --amend 17:37 wizzyrea at least the template ones. 17:37 wizzyrea oh, I should add tests in there. 17:37 wizzyrea (same thing) 17:37 wizzyrea (could add prove t in there if you wanted) 17:37 wizzyrea (ruby guy, apparently) 17:36 wizzyrea done = !git fetch && git rebase origin/master && git checkout master && git merge @{-1} && rake && git push 17:36 wizzyrea lol 17:36 wizzyrea oh and a done 17:36 sekjal nice 17:36 wizzyrea close to git r 17:36 wizzyrea which is git ir 17:36 wizzyrea hey, sekjal, they have one for interactive rebase 17:35 wizzyrea this is what I was looking at mostly: http://robots.thoughtbot.com/post/4747482956/streamline-your-git-workflow-with-aliases 17:35 wizzyrea :D sekjal++ 17:35 magnus_afk sekjal: yay :-) 17:35 * wizzyrea bets you can do it with aliases. 17:35 sekjal I am 17:34 magnus_afk who's putting this on the wiki? 17:34 wizzyrea LOLOL 17:34 * sekjal still wants git -r done to be an official command 17:34 jcamins lol 17:34 wizzyrea yee haw, so to speak. 17:34 wizzyrea and it does it 17:34 wizzyrea so I say "git up" 17:34 wizzyrea up = !git fetch origin && git rebase origin/master 17:34 wizzyrea i also added 17:33 wizzyrea life is too short to have non-working pens on your desk. 17:33 sekjal wizzyrea++ 17:32 wizzyrea thatis*&$$@)$%amazing 17:32 wizzyrea i just did a git so 6473, it amended my commit, let me obsolete the old patches and sent it 17:32 Shane-S <-- is thinking of creating a "print" button the reports page that takes off the SQL statement...by using JS to dynamically add some CSS...hmmm 17:31 wizzyrea o.m.g. 17:31 wizzyrea omg it's brilliant. 17:30 wizzyrea for signoff. 17:30 * wizzyrea wants to do one on the bz test bug 17:30 sekjal aliases++ 17:30 wizzyrea *nod* 17:30 sekjal since we don't yet have the auto-emailer in place that mtj was working on 17:29 sekjal could even add the git send-email phase, too 17:29 wizzyrea great idea. 17:29 wizzyrea hdl++ 17:29 * wizzyrea cackles maniacally 17:27 * wizzyrea just took what you did 17:27 sekjal I makea lot of twists and turns trying to nail that one-liner down 17:27 wizzyrea well, it's in the 2nd command... hm idk. 17:27 sekjal or I could be mistaken 17:27 wizzyrea oh, twice. 17:27 wizzyrea ? 17:27 wizzyrea if you want the $1 I think you do 17:27 sekjal I had to use that to use the $1 variable twice 17:27 sekjal you may not need to the !sh -c wrapper 17:26 wizzyrea so = !sh -c 'git commit --amend -s && git bz attach -e $1 HEAD' - 17:26 wizzyrea something like 17:25 sekjal by abstracting the process, the usage becomes more consistent 17:24 jcamins Yeah... more keypresses saved! 17:24 sekjal could probably do an 'so' alias for signoffs, too 17:23 wizzyrea that is awesome 17:23 wizzyrea oh sekjal <3 17:22 maximep oh, looks like it's 082 in marc21 Not sure about the subfield :/ 17:22 sekjal can be adapted as needed to change how the checkouts work, or the branch is named 17:22 jcamins sekjal: nice! 17:22 sekjal jcamins: qa = !sh -c 'git checkout master && git pull && git checkout -b bug$1-qa && git bz apply $1' - 17:21 wizzyrea oleonard: very cool on the tags. 17:21 wizzyrea bye paul_p 17:21 * paul_p wife call me. family time now. See you tomorrow #koha ! 17:13 maximep let's see if that does anything 17:13 maximep docs says 676a in UNIMARC for dewey for example 17:13 jcamins maximep: I have no idea, sorry. 17:08 maximep anyone using misc/cronjobs/build_browser_and_cloud.pl with marc21 ? I have no idea what to pass to -t and -f 17:07 kf oleonard: pretty cool :) 17:07 kf time to leave - bye all! 17:02 gaetan_B bye! 16:53 oleonard Something I'm working on: http://screencast.com/t/Rh7hOc21Z9 16:53 paul_p (I think the 1st point is sincere, i'm sure the 2nd point is ;-) ) 16:53 jcamins paul_p: yeah, I was pretty impressed! 16:52 Shane-S kf: Ah okay, was odd seeing it different between screens 16:52 paul_p wow ! impressive ! 16:52 jcamins Heh. 16:52 jcamins Now it takes six hours, thanks to the addition of the destroy(). 16:51 paul_p (you know, we're having our annual meeting one-to-one with all BibLibre staff. 2 things are shared by all = "i'm happy to work at BibLibre, it's a cool company" and "well, i need more info on zebra, because it's un-understandable" ) 16:51 jcamins paul_p: it used to be a run of the linker took three days for 110k records. 16:51 kf which means Child 16:50 kf C is probably the category type 16:50 Shane-S okay...I'm confused...searched for a Patron and the results of more then one showed, in the category it showed Student (C) when I go to view then it has Student (KID) .... (KID) I expect, it is my code, where does the (C) come from? Perhaps I bug I need to report? 16:49 jcamins paul_p: ;) 16:49 paul_p (yes, *I* am kidding ;-) ) 16:49 jcamins Even though they are invalid as soon as you leave scope. 16:49 paul_p jcamins really ? no... you must be kidding... zebra/zoom are so handy to deal with 16:49 jcamins You have to destroy *each* resultset. 16:49 jcamins paul_p: ZOOM has a really weird API. 16:49 jcamins paul_p: no, we're not destroying the connection. 16:48 paul_p because opening a connection is costly) 16:48 paul_p jcamins doesn't the destroy result in a big lowering of performances ?( 16:48 jcamins paul_p: yeah, that was due to this bug. 16:48 * paul_p think he remembers hdl speaking of something like that (leaking memory when linking authorities & biblio automatically). 16:48 jcamins (the way we should be) 16:48 kf oh found it 16:48 kf I have suggestion on but no suggestions form shows up in my opac? :( 16:48 jcamins I think I checked and found that we were destroying the query. 16:47 kf hm 16:47 jcamins paul_p: uhhh... 16:47 paul_p don't we have the same problem with bib search ? 16:47 jcamins Therefore, we were leaking memory like mad. 16:47 jcamins paul_p: yeah, exactly what it sounds like. The ZOOM library has a destroy() function that the authority search wasn't calling. 16:46 paul_p undestroyed, efficiency appears to approach O(log n^n)" ? 16:46 paul_p jcamins could you give me some details about "* Correctly destroy ZOOM recordsets in SearchAuthorities when finished. If left 16:45 wizzyrea ^^ this 16:45 Shane-S Yes...it can vomit out all the books with the word ponies....then hand them a PERL book :) 16:44 wizzyrea "because that's really what I want" 16:44 wizzyrea "oh hey, we have some control here, can you make it vomit ponies?" 16:44 wizzyrea that's when it gets really fun. 16:44 wizzyrea just wait until they start inventing things they need it to do 16:43 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:43 wizzyrea @quote get 123 16:43 wizzyrea :) 16:43 Shane-S Every day I think I am nearing 100% to using Koha and I learn "one more thing" the library needs to have in place :P 16:42 Shane-S awesome, needed to add grade level and teacher for a fines report...now I can play :) 16:42 oleonard For any arbitrary purpose 16:41 Shane-S For a patron there is the "library management" section w/ Sort 1 and Sort 2 fields, are the just for the library to use in say reports, or do they have a more specific purpose? 16:31 jcamins Well, isn't it? 16:31 oleonard Better than what? A kick in the teeth? 16:30 wahanui i think Monday is better 16:30 jcamins wahanui: Monday? 16:30 wahanui i think morning is a state of mind. 16:30 jcamins Morning. 16:30 kf morning bag 16:27 bag hey ian 16:27 sekjal morning, bag 16:27 bag good morning 16:26 jcamins Certainly the high point of mine. :) 16:26 * jcamins is sure this is the high point of paul_p's day. :) 16:26 * wizzyrea throws confetti 16:26 jcamins I like the idea of `git qa 1234`=git fetch kc && git checkout -b bug_1234_qa kc/master && git-bz apply 1234 16:26 paul_p and now, ladies and gentlemen... pushing 7284 ... (or not, just to see jcamin angry ;-) ) 16:25 mveron Hi everybody #koha 16:24 wizzyrea or cob = checkout -b used like git cob qa-xxxx 16:24 wizzyrea up = !git fetch origin && git rebase origin/master 16:24 wizzyrea specifically 16:23 wizzyrea this looks promising. 16:23 wizzyrea http://robots.thoughtbot.com/post/4747482956/streamline-your-git-workflow-with-aliases 16:23 wizzyrea ooooo 16:22 wizzyrea also looks like you can do longish things with aliases as well: http://gitready.com/intermediate/2009/02/06/helpful-command-aliases.html 16:21 jcamins Maybe I should write a "qa nnnn" script. 16:21 wizzyrea http://cheat.errtheblog.com/s/git 16:21 * jcamins has been typing everything out. 16:20 * oleonard uses "ckm" for "git checkout master" 16:19 maximep lazy++. I have bash aliases to only do "gci" to do a "git commit" 16:18 wizzyrea hrmph. 16:18 wizzyrea boo except that kernel.org is still down where they keep all of the examples. 16:17 paul_p wizzyrea share if you are successfull ;-) 16:16 wizzyrea good one. :) 16:16 wizzyrea hdl++ 16:16 wizzyrea oh holy snaps. 16:16 hdl1 paul_p: wizzyrea investigate git-alias 16:15 wizzyrea style* even. 16:15 * wizzyrea is looking now, because that extra 5 seconds of typing stuff that i'm likely to forget is cramping my stlye. 16:15 * paul_p bet that, with a git config one achieve that. Or maybe a hook 16:14 wizzyrea it may be crap. 16:14 wizzyrea because, i couldn't resist that title. 16:14 wizzyrea also, http://spheredev.org/wiki/Git_for_the_lazy 16:13 * wizzyrea is so lazy. 16:13 jcamins paul_p: I know. :) 16:13 wizzyrea I wish git commit --amend -s would also add [Signed Off] to the first line of the commit. 16:13 paul_p your bug is 2nd on my list ;-) 16:12 jcamins paul_p: woohoo! Maybe you do get to have fun today! :D 16:12 wizzyrea \o/ 16:11 paul_p (from oldest to newest QA) 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Display picture of patrons in OPAC 16:10 paul_p bug 3516 first 16:10 * paul_p head for pushing some bugs... 16:06 reiveune bye 16:00 wizzyrea ah, that's nice. Down to 5. 15:59 * wizzyrea goes on a tab closing frenzy 15:56 sekjal hi, kf! 15:55 kf hi sekjal :) 15:54 sekjal hi, wizzyrea 15:54 wizzyrea hi :) 15:54 * wizzyrea waves at sekjal 15:53 wahanui possible is, like, everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here 15:53 kf jcamins: possible 15:53 jcamins UTF-8 in the call number? 15:52 * wizzyrea suspects a locked table or something where an update didn't happen when it was suppseed to 15:52 kf hm not really 15:52 wizzyrea busy library? 15:51 kf but had exmaples where it happened 15:50 kf yes, had problems reproducing it 15:50 wizzyrea that sounds... flukey 15:50 wizzyrea hmm no I hadn't heard about that 15:50 kf I will just assume that's also fixed 15:50 kf after reindexing 15:50 kf and the item appeared in both records... 15:50 kf we had one case... where the xml was not updated properly 15:49 kf I don't think there is a known problem right? 15:49 wizzyrea ! no? 15:49 kf are you aware of any problems with attaching items to other records? 15:49 kf yep 15:48 wizzyrea WIN :) 15:48 kf yep 15:48 wizzyrea because the problems are all fixed? 15:48 * kf loves 3.6.3 :) 15:48 * kf is closing oooooold acq tickets from our libraries 15:47 wizzyrea urgent* 15:47 wizzyrea but I wanted the response for test plan to be something a bit more... urgen than "test plans are nice" 15:46 wizzyrea really that wasn't directed at you :) 15:46 oleonard Both have instructions for testing :P 15:46 wizzyrea I can test those wihtout a test plan 15:46 wizzyrea j/k 15:45 wizzyrea kekekekeke 15:45 wahanui make me a test plan or I no test! 15:45 wizzyrea test plan? 15:45 wizzyrea also 15:45 wizzyrea check. :) 15:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move display of patron image in self checkout 15:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7629 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file. 15:45 oleonard But anyway, signoffs? Bug 7629, Bug 7633. Nice 'n' easy. 15:44 wizzyrea either way I was looking at that on friday 15:44 kf yes, there was swomeone asking abou tit 15:44 wizzyrea he came here first asking about it I think 15:44 oleonard ...because you could see into the future when someone would post that to the list? 15:44 * wizzyrea hunts around for signoffs to atone. 15:43 wizzyrea but thanks oleonard 15:43 wizzyrea sorry I meant to do that on friday >.< 15:40 kf oleonard++ 15:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7643 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Can't upload and import zipped file of patron images 15:38 * oleonard has filed Bug 7643 15:31 oleonard chris_n around? 15:21 kf better :) 15:21 wizzyrea :) 15:21 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE 15:21 kf wizzyrea? 15:21 kf wizzyrea is <reply> I LIKE SCIENCE 15:21 kf ! 15:21 kf wizzyrea? 15:15 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot wizzyrea 15:15 wizzyrea forget wizzyrea 15:15 wizzyrea ok, that's probably confusing for people 15:15 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE! or KOREAN 15:15 kf wizzyrea? 15:11 kf ikea :) 15:11 wizzyrea nice table tho. 15:11 wizzyrea that 15:11 wizzyrea http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/OmMalik/~3/jHXCUJg1YQk/ 15:11 wizzyrea lol 15:11 wizzyrea er no 15:11 wizzyrea http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/40134347/ 15:11 wizzyrea also, germany is awesome 15:10 * wizzyrea wonders if it's legal to ship them to germany 15:10 wizzyrea thin mints! 15:10 * wizzyrea has girlscout cookies 15:10 * kf saves some cookies for you 15:10 kf hi wizzyrea 15:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , User Configurable Slips 15:05 hdl1 bug 7001 15:03 wizzyrea 7001 too :) 14:30 * marcelr leaves the room quietly, waving 14:25 kf lol 14:24 drojf woohoo cookies 14:24 marcelr great 14:24 magnuse yay, monday cookies! 14:24 kf it's monday 14:24 kf cookies even 14:24 * kf hands out cookiews 14:21 magnuse hehe 14:20 drojf thanks magnuse you're right of course. some things are just too obvious 14:18 magnuse drojf: you can choose "or" between fields in advanced search 14:17 drojf *search string 14:17 drojf can i search for several things in one search sting in koha? like "give me all results with x in this field or y in some other field"? 14:16 kf yes, doesn't sound like one 14:16 drojf not real holidays i'm afraid 14:15 drojf well. holiday from my two jobs, working on things for university so i can finally write my thesis 14:15 kf real holiday? or only working on something else? 14:15 drojf i guess we will not care for authorities now, i want to have something running in april 14:14 kf :) 14:14 drojf so the ladies can check while i get some holiday 14:14 drojf want to have a test import before next monday 14:13 drojf slow 14:13 drojf downloading a file with 20k, impressive :D 14:13 kf drojf: talking to you :) 14:12 kf how is the migration? 14:11 drojf damn university wifi :/ 14:11 jcamins kf: what did I do? 14:11 kf wb drojf 14:10 kf jcamins++ 13:59 * paul_p afk for a meeting 13:55 magnuse lucky paul_p! :-) 13:55 jcamins paul_p: in that case you can do fun things tomorrow! :D 13:54 * paul_p fear that won't be for today, as I've other things I *must* do today, sorry jcamins 13:54 jcamins paul_p: you're so lucky... the second thing you have to push is a fun patch! :D 13:53 paul_p lol :D 13:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Authority matching algorithm improvements 13:53 wahanui hmmm... bug 7284 is the first step to making that happen. 13:53 magnuse bug 7284 13:53 jcamins :D 13:53 magnuse woohoo! 13:52 jcamins Ooh, you know what today is? Today is the day paul_p gets to push 7284! Lucky paul_p! 13:48 magnuse yay! 13:48 jcamins Yeah, I just did. 13:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly 13:48 magnuse jcamins: you might want to add signing off bug 7092 to the list ;-) 13:47 magnuse hehe, sounds like a good idea, though 13:45 jcamins This is on my todo list. Along with about a billion other things. 13:45 jcamins magnuse: I think we also should have <link>s specifying alternate representations. 13:41 slef [off] jcamins: nah, I only gratify nice beggars. Silly beggars can go away. 13:41 magnuse yay 13:41 jcamins magnuse++ 13:41 jcamins Woohoo! 13:41 magnuse hope to have a poc of enhancing the opac with the data this week 13:40 magnuse jcamins: i have made some progress on converting records to RDF with https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf , storing them in this triplestore: http://data.libriotech.no/semantikoha/ and enriching them with this script: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/semantikoha/blob/master/arc2-client.pl 13:38 jcamins magnuse: yes, that's what I meant. 13:37 jcamins [off] That's true, but they tend to be very loud. 13:37 slef [off] at least with beggars, you know where you stand. 13:36 magnuse jcamins_away: don'tt hink you have mentioned it, but definitely interesting! RDFa, i think? 13:36 slef [off] applies to some who pay too (but who try every trick to pay late and ideally for less than the price) 13:34 jcamins_away [off] slef: "supplicant" *is* the nice word. I tend to go with "d**n nuisance." :P 13:34 jcamins_away oleonard: was that suitable? :) 13:33 * oleonard listens for the sounds of jcamins_away's derisive laughter 13:32 slef (or at least this one does... can't speak for NYC housing co-ops ;-) ) 13:32 slef jcamins_away: be nice. Co-ops donate to charities ;) 13:30 drojf hi kf :) 13:30 drojf hi #koha 13:30 kf hi drojf :) 13:27 jcamins_away magnuse: have I mentioned to you that we should markup the OPAC details page to include semantic information about the record? Embedded RDF, perhaps. 13:26 * jcamins_away favors "supplicant." 13:24 kf hi slef morning jcamins_away 13:20 jcamins_away slef: "panhandler"? "mendicant"? "supplicant"? 13:19 slef jcamins_away: being able to search the indexed ones is good enough for them I think. 13:17 jcamins_away slef: you can't search arbitrary MARC tags at present. 13:14 slef what's a nicer word for someone requesting a donation than "beggar"? :) I'm having a tact fail this Monday morning (yeah, what's new, you say) 13:13 slef answered my own question I think. Asking beggar to test 13:11 slef http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/kohasearchindexes.html 13:09 slef morning #koha btw :) 13:09 slef or in the search box to search a MARC tag 13:08 slef in other words, what's the bit before the , in bulkmarcimport -match to match MARC tags :) 13:06 slef like kw is keywords IIRC 13:06 slef what's the zebra index containing marc data? 11:33 hdl1 hi Amit_Gupta 11:29 Amit_Gupta heya hdl1 10:28 kf halfie: have you set up your cronjobs to reindex regularly? 10:20 hdl1 yep 10:17 halfie I have deleted a book but it still appears in search results. Do I have to run the full zebra re-indexing process again? 09:58 kf styling the browse feature is quite annoying 09:53 kf or using the export options for frameworks 09:53 magnuse kf++ 09:53 kf easier to do in sql 09:53 kf yes 09:53 halfie kf: changing the tag for every sub-field is a PITA though. 09:53 kf :) 09:52 halfie kf: understood, I did what you said and it worked :) .. thanks. 09:49 kf there are 0-9 + 10(items) - don't change items 09:49 kf when you look at the subfields 09:49 kf the tab is under advanced otpions 09:48 kf you have to tell the system for each field on which tab it should show 09:48 halfie kf: I tried changing the Tag value (not the tab value) for fields but the GUI doesn't save my changes somehow. 09:48 kf by default the 0xx fields show up on 0 tab, the 1xx on 1 etc. to make it easier for the cataloger 09:48 kf if you want to change that, you have to go back and change the tab value for the field 09:48 kf but an attribute of the configuration of each field 09:47 kf It's not done by the number of fields 09:47 kf the tabs are configuration 09:46 halfie kf: now I have 5-6 fields in my newly created "Book" framework but still they are distributed among multiple tabs. How do I disable this tabbing behaviour on "add new MARC records" page? 09:46 kf morning marcelr 09:46 kf you can also jsut hide fields 09:46 kf halfie: ok, that's ok then, but check out the hidden field 09:46 kf that makes it easier to change in bulk 09:45 kf you can edit them in libreoffice calc for example 09:45 kf if you are more familiar with the right values the export options for frameworks are nice 09:45 halfie kf: I have created a new framework from which I have deleted those fields. 09:45 kf halfie: and yes, you can go to administration > bilbiographic frameworks > framework you want to change > marc structure > field you want to change > tab 09:44 kf better hide them if you don't want to use them or create your own frameworks 09:44 kf halfie: be careful - I don't recomment deleting fields from the default framework 09:44 halfie hi, I have deleted some fields shown while "adding MARC records". Now fewer fields are shown but they are still distributed among multiple tabs (0, 1, 2 etc). Is there a way to get a single screen showing all the required fields instead of those multiple tabs? 09:43 marcelr hi kf 09:42 kf hi #koha 08:43 marcelr good 08:43 magnuse marcelr: i find myself thinking that way every so often too, but i try not to ;-) 08:42 magnuse bonjour clrh 08:42 marcelr hi 08:42 clrh hello 08:42 marcelr :-) 08:42 marcelr sorry.. 08:42 rangi and that :) 08:42 magnuse marcelr: not "community version", just Koha ;-) 08:42 rangi just fighting the fud that it has no support 08:41 rangi getting there :) 08:41 marcelr he wants to deploy community version now ;) 08:40 rangi yep 08:40 rangi ahh mailing list paul, you'll see it :) 08:40 paul_p ok, I think I get it = archer thread 08:40 marcelr rangi++ 08:40 magnuse rangi++ 08:39 magnuse gah 08:39 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 08:39 paul_p rangi ??? 08:39 marcelr oops 08:38 * rangi is running out of patience, that will be my last email, someone else can take over 08:38 magnuse namaste Amit_Gupta 08:38 Amit_Gupta heya paul_p, magnuse 08:23 marcelr ;) 08:23 paul_p will try to work on it today, but I already have many patches to push 08:23 paul_p marcelr yes, i've seen 08:23 marcelr :-) 08:23 marcelr hi paul_p; bug 7310 welcomes your revisiting it 08:22 rangi hi paul_p 08:21 magnuse chris_n++ for 3.6.4 08:21 paul_p hello world 08:20 rangi might be easier for you to keep up to date? 08:20 rangi and just keep that up to date, and get ppl to do pull of it? 08:20 rangi you might want to publish a branch 08:20 magnuse rangi++ for being patient and polite 08:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 08:19 rangi marcelr: i wonder for bug 7310 08:15 marcelr s/]// 08:15 marcelr hi] 08:15 hdl1 hi 08:14 sophie_m hello #koha 08:14 rangi i know i downloaded the wrong version, but help me anyway 08:14 rangi wow, that guy is persistent, help me with this fork, help me 08:07 gaetan_B good morning #koha! 07:51 marcelr hello koha 07:50 cait hi nz 07:42 rangi hi europe 07:41 wahanui hey, reiveune 07:41 reiveune hello 07:38 cait oh, I don't have to count on it.. I know it. 07:37 magnuse nah, don't count on that 07:36 cait you will give an amazing presentation instead :) 07:35 magnuse you lucky people 07:35 wahanui hmmm... 2 weeks is good 07:35 magnuse 2 weeks! 07:35 cait soon! 07:35 cait :) 07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 07:34 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 07:34 magnuse @wunder boo 07:33 magnuse guten morgen cait 07:33 cait morning magnus :) 07:32 magnus_afk kia ora #koha 07:12 eythian hi alex_a, bye alex_a. 07:12 eythian see you 07:12 * eythian goes home 07:11 eythian I'm not sure why they're not linking up on tag_id 07:11 eythian I think the approval table and the _all table are canonical, and _index and tags_approval.weight_total are derived from that. 07:11 alex_a bonjour 07:10 cait aha 07:10 eythian if more than one person tags something the same, it increases the weight 07:10 eythian it's a reduction of tags_all 07:09 cait why does tags_index have the bilbionumber and the weigt? 07:09 cait yeah, they are weird 07:09 eythian yeah, it's a not-yet-live client who has just been messing about to see how they work 07:09 cait interesting tags :) 07:09 eythian that's what they look like with some test data in there. 07:08 pastebot "eythian" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "Weirdo tags tables" (79 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/291 07:08 cait ew 07:08 eythian which is generally considered bad form 07:07 eythian there's a tag_id which should be used but isn't, instead the term seems to be used as an ID. 07:07 eythian tags_all, tags_approval, and tags_index are all used 07:06 cait and all tags or something right? 07:06 cait we have approved and rejected 07:03 cait hm 07:03 eythian which is silly, unless its for something else. 07:03 cait only explanation is speed, because else it's really weird 07:02 cait I had the same thought 07:02 eythian also the "tags" table is empty 07:02 * cait nods 07:02 eythian they are. It looks like they're structured that way for speed, but I would suspect some well thought out indices would allow the same speed but with a better structure. 07:01 cait the tags tables are a bit weird 07:01 eythian damn, I was hoping it'd be an easy fix to provide the number of items, but it's surprisingly not. 06:46 eythian I had someone ask me why the numbers didn't match up, she expected the hover number to be the number of items tagged with that tag. 06:46 cait to highlight your own tags in the tag cloud 06:46 cait owen did work on something tag related 06:46 cait eythian: I haven't played aroudn with it really 06:45 eythian so when you hover over a tag in the tag cloud, it pops up a number. This number isn't the number of items (which is what I expected), it's the weight given to that tag, which is a function of the number of items. That's pretty odd. 06:32 eythian hello 06:32 eythian yep 06:31 cait heya eythian - you are back :) 06:30 eythian hrm, the data normalisation on the tags tables seems quite unusual to my eye. 06:24 cait hi Amit_Gupta 06:24 Amit_Gupta heya cait 05:37 stuartyeates rangi: know anyone who might be interested in http://vacancies.vuw.ac.nz/positiondetail.asp?p=6057 ? 04:50 wahanui sure thing eythian 04:50 eythian wahanui: thanks wahanui is <reply>You're very welcome, $who 04:50 mib_c56cpx thanks wahanui 04:49 eythian mib_c56cpx: ^^ 04:49 eythian ah, there we go. 04:49 wahanui i guess mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 04:49 eythian wahanui: mailing list 04:49 eythian one moment... 04:49 eythian oh 04:49 wahanui eythian: sorry... 04:49 eythian wahanui: email lists 04:49 eythian If there's a way to implement it, I'm sure you'd be able to find someone willing to do the development. 04:49 mib_c56cpx whr can i find that 04:48 eythian I'm pretty sure I'm right, that it's not currently possible. However if you want to be sure, best email the koha users mailing list. 04:48 mib_c56cpx i need this google apps koha integration 04:48 Oak kia ora #koha 04:48 mib_c56cpx do you have any idea who would be able to answer my question? 04:48 eythian I assume most bigger places do the reverse, and have google authenticating against some system of theirs, or some such. 04:47 mib_c56cpx ok.. 04:47 eythian I have no idea how one would go about authenticating against a google apps account. 04:47 eythian hmm. Not that I'm aware of. 04:47 mib_c56cpx is it possible? 04:47 mib_c56cpx i want my users to login using their google apps email id 04:47 eythian I don't know. Can they? 04:46 mib_c56cpx can anybody help me 04:46 wahanui bonjour, mib_c56cpx 04:46 mib_c56cpx hello 04:37 eythian I know the MARC item type shows up, but that's next to useless. 04:37 eythian is it possible to make item types show up in the search results? Insofar as this question makes sense... 04:02 Space_Librarian Adieu, until tomorrow! :) 03:33 * druthb updates two more, Just Because. 03:33 Amit_Gupta heya druthb 03:31 * druthb updates her first stable test server to 3.6.4. 03:30 * druthb waves to Amit_Gupta. 03:28 Amit_Gupta heya bag 03:25 druthb :D 03:23 Space_Librarian :D hey druthb! 03:22 * druthb squees and waves at Space_Librarian. 03:22 jcamins_away :) 03:22 Space_Librarian jcamins_away: I will - thanks so much! He was pretty impressed with the IRC - he'll be back. :) 03:12 jcamins_away Woohoo! Third most signoffs in 3.6.4! 03:11 jcamins_away I do it all the time. 03:11 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: tell miltsNZ that you can do that by setting the default value in the framework. 02:49 * druthb nods. 02:49 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 02:49 druthb wahanui: bag? 02:41 druthb how's the BEST BOSS EVAR doing tonight? 02:40 druthb hi, bag! 02:37 bag hi druthb 02:26 druthb o/ 02:20 miltsNZ a little beyond my purview atm 02:20 miltsNZ ah cheers 02:20 miltsNZ e.g. creating a framework for course papers, and wanting a specific entry in the 540 field to be added automatically 02:20 rangi using plugins yep, but you'd have to write the plugins 02:19 miltsNZ does anyone know if it's possible to set up a framework which will autopopulate certain fields with some pre-set information every time you create a record using that framework? 02:19 miltsNZ I'm actually just having my first real play in the Koha MARC frameworks and was curious about something I couldn't find documentation... 02:12 Space_Librarian not by much. :p 02:11 jcamins_away Welcome to #koha, miltsNZ. 02:11 miltsNZ hah cheers for the overstated intro :) 02:11 rangi hi miltsNZ 02:10 rangi :) 02:10 Space_Librarian hey all, I'd like to introduce one of my awesome staff to the channel - miltsNZ is going to set the library world on fire one of these days. So it's good to have him online. :)