Time Nick Message 23:35 * Space_Librarian breaks the admin area again... 23:34 huginn Space_Librarian: 5 23:34 Space_Librarian @dice 1d20 23:11 * Space_Librarian re-fixes the tools area again 23:07 Space_Librarian (before I break something again?) 23:06 Space_Librarian dearest wise and venerable denziens of koha. riddle me this: Where do I switch on the holds placed email? 22:56 wizzyrea hm no, gonna have to revisit that tomorrow 22:50 wizzyrea no I don't think that worked 22:43 wizzyrea let me check 22:43 * wizzyrea was waiting for it to run 22:43 jcamins_away Did the report work with the revised join? 22:40 wizzyrea O.o that's a bit extreme 22:39 jcamins_away And this problem goes back at least 1.5 years. 22:39 jcamins_away Android version 2.3.4. 22:39 jcamins_away We're talking about a phone that shuts off and then takes fifteen minutes to turn on very happily. 22:39 jcamins_away But we're not talking about a locked up phone. 22:38 jcamins_away You have a point there. 22:38 jcamins_away lol 22:38 * wizzyrea argues 22:38 wizzyrea but it doesn't always :) 22:38 jcamins_away wizzyrea: but when I choose "shut down" on my computer, I expect it to do that. 22:37 jcamins_away Why don't you just, I don't know, *turn off* when I choose the "turn off" button. 22:37 wizzyrea a PC in your pocket. 22:37 wizzyrea dunno, you'd reboot a PC, which is basically what you've got 22:37 * Space_Librarian is still waiting for hers to upgrade to ice cream sandwich 22:37 jcamins_away Pull the battery for a software error. 22:37 jcamins_away That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. 22:37 wizzyrea but I had to replace the UI, samsung's UI made me feel itchy. 22:37 Space_Librarian which may be ice cream sandwich and it is a little buggy 22:37 jcamins_away That did fix it, BTW. 22:37 wizzyrea mine runs gingerbread and it's alright 22:36 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: I don't know, it's running whatever version of Android it updated to. 22:36 jcamins_away wizzyrea: I'd expect it from an iPhone. 22:35 Space_Librarian Wait - is it running ice cream sandwich or gingerbread? 22:35 wizzyrea also, even iphones do nonsense like that 22:35 jcamins_away That's what I've been told. 22:35 Space_Librarian HTC's are usually pretty good 22:34 jcamins_away Let's see... did that fix it? 22:34 jcamins_away HTC Incredible. 22:34 Space_Librarian Which smartphone is giving you grief? 22:34 wizzyrea oh, on your smart phone. 22:34 Space_Librarian lol. 22:34 wizzyrea ?! 22:34 jcamins_away Software error? Remove and replace the battery! 22:33 jcamins_away Why didn't I think of that... 22:31 wizzyrea see I knew I was doing something dumb. 22:30 jcamins_away Join accountlines to borrowernumber. 22:29 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "my stumper, my stumper, my lovely lady stumper" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/288 22:27 wizzyrea I get those. 22:27 wizzyrea but they didn't lose it, another patron did 22:27 wizzyrea so say, this person checked out jane eyre 22:27 wizzyrea but I keep getting every item that is lost that the patron has checked out 22:27 wizzyrea this sounds easy 22:27 wizzyrea right, a report that lists patron name + all of their lost items + what they owe 22:26 wizzyrea oh. 22:26 wizzyrea hahaha 22:26 wizzyrea so I'm looking to get a report 22:26 jcamins_away wizzyrea: what was your stumper? 22:26 wizzyrea I just realized that I never finished my stumper 22:26 wizzyrea hah 22:26 Space_Librarian that is one of life's big mysteries 22:26 jcamins_away wth was wrong with "dumb" phones that worked, that we needed to switch to "smart" phones that don't? 22:25 * jcamins_away has one too. 22:00 wizzyrea I have a bit of a stumper. Well, it's a stumper for me 22:00 wizzyrea ok 21:56 sekjal night, all 21:55 * wizzyrea giggles at skyrim jokes 21:55 cait lol 21:55 sekjal trying to keep the students out of the bars on Thursday night 21:55 rangi i used to get my game on, but then i took an arrow to the knee 21:55 rangi ahh 21:55 wizzyrea oh, so "work" ;) 21:55 sekjal library's Get Your Game On! event 21:54 wizzyrea syschange? 21:54 wizzyrea ewww 21:54 sekjal wizzyrea: yeah, 10pm to 2am 21:54 wizzyrea later sekjal 21:54 wizzyrea you're working at 10pm tonight?! 21:54 sekjal good <<localtime>>, #koha! 21:52 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:52 rangi @later tell ebegin http://accessconference.ca/2012/03/01/access-2012-dates-announced/ 21:52 sekjal now it's time for me to wrap up my day here and trundle on over to the bus. got to get some food and caffeine going on before coming back to work at 10pm tonight 21:52 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 21:52 rangi @later tell maximep http://accessconference.ca/2012/03/01/access-2012-dates-announced/ 21:51 sekjal notes made. 21:40 eythian_bucklame hmm, that's still something that could grow problematically. 21:37 wizzyrea "perl cubbies" 21:36 sekjal it may be... it looks like it could be a hash of a hash of a hash that stores everything in it's own little cubby 21:31 eythian_bucklame that's the only reason I could think of off the top of my head. 21:31 eythian_bucklame it's possible, I'm not sure. Could it be something that doesn't change? 21:31 sekjal but from what I know, that set up is problematic 21:31 sekjal eythian_bucklame: perhaps he's got more up-to-date information than I. 21:30 wizzyrea :) 21:30 eythian_bucklame huh, srdjan should know better: the other big perl project he works on is mod_perl 21:30 sekjal yes, always! 21:30 sekjal in other news, love the variable name $want_librarian in GetPreparedLetter(). 21:29 wizzyrea i've no doubt that he'll fix it post haste if he can. :) 21:28 sekjal I'll write it up in the bug report, and maybe Srdjan can explain what that particular bit of code is doing. It may be worth the trouble down the line for the immediate gains, if reimplementing it would be hard 21:27 bag yeah no I'm just saying - that mod_perl would be sweet 21:27 wizzyrea boo. 21:27 sekjal introduced by 21:27 sekjal no 21:27 wizzyrea does it pre-exist 7001? 21:27 sekjal mod_perl, or any tool other speedup that precompiles entire scripts as subroutines are going to run into a problem with this 21:26 bag but that would be sweet 21:26 bag I missed that memo 21:26 bag huh? mod_perl standards 21:25 wizzyrea :/ 21:25 sekjal there's no in-line documentation around it, either, so I'm not entirely sure why it's doing this 21:23 sekjal sub getletter modifies a variable declared outside itself 21:23 wizzyrea gurg. 21:23 sekjal it's not mod_perl (and thus presumably Plack) compliant 21:23 wizzyrea noooo 21:23 sekjal uhoh. found a problem with 7001 21:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7246 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , rebuild_zebra.pl --limit option to allow partial re-indexing 21:21 wizzyrea Bug 7246 21:20 rangi helps do mass changes less disruptively 21:19 rangi then then just reindex those, rinse and repeat 21:19 rangi run an update query limit 1000 21:19 rangi itw ould be super helpful in situations like this 21:19 rangi you might want to find and test it 21:19 wizzyrea oh yea 21:19 rangi ie you can give it a range of biblionumbers 21:19 rangi libsysguy: there is a bug that im not sure what status its in, that allows partial reindexes 21:16 wizzyrea gl jcamins_away 21:15 eythian_bucklame cya 21:15 jcamins_away Wish me luck with the contractor tomorrow. 21:14 jcamins_away #koha 21:14 jcamins_away Good night, #koh. 21:14 jcamins_away And, with that thought, I think it's time to call it a day. 21:14 libsysguy thanks :) 21:14 libsysguy set to null and indexed 21:14 libsysguy fixed 21:14 jcamins_away ^^ that's what I'd do. 21:14 wizzyrea more or less. 21:14 wizzyrea which would do the same thing 21:14 wizzyrea or check it out and back in 21:13 wizzyrea wait for the zebraqueue 21:13 wizzyrea save it 21:13 wizzyrea edit the record 21:13 libsysguy it take sooo longgg :p 21:13 wizzyrea just go in 21:13 wizzyrea no 21:13 wizzyrea what you should d 21:13 libsysguy but I don't wanna do a full index :'( 21:13 wizzyrea but 21:13 wizzyrea items.onloan 21:13 wizzyrea eythian probably has it, it should be null 21:13 libsysguy hmm 21:13 wizzyrea yea, it still sounds like an index issue to me 21:13 libsysguy if I go to look at the item in the checkout status i see "not checked out" 21:13 eythian_bucklame sounds like a zebra reindex needing issue 21:13 wizzyrea and on the detail? 21:12 jcamins_away *? 21:12 jcamins_away And it displays properly on the staff client 21:12 libsysguy just the results 21:11 jcamins_away libsysguy: it shows up as checked out on detail and results, or just results? 21:11 eythian_bucklame make onloan set to null? 21:11 libsysguy im not sure what im missing 21:11 libsysguy ok si its not in issues, old_issues, onloan is set to 0 date...i ran an index after adding something to the public not...still says its checked out 21:10 eythian_bucklame hi cait 21:10 cait hi eythian :) 21:09 jcamins_away Possibly all-day. 21:09 jcamins_away Meeting with a contractor tomorrow. 21:09 eythian_bucklame fly back home this evening. 21:09 eythian_bucklame weekend tomorrow! 21:09 oleonard Bye #koha. All-day meeting tomorrow, so, uh, weep for me. 21:09 eythian_bucklame quitter 21:08 oleonard Oooh, quitting time! 21:08 * jcamins_away is sure there is a "take me to your leader" joke in here, but can't quite find it. 21:08 eythian_bucklame far, far too much time 21:07 jcamins_away eythian_bucklame: we spend too much time around MARC. I was thinking that, too. 21:07 eythian_bucklame *leader 21:07 libsysguy or perhaps that should have read "omg is that an authority header in my bed" 21:06 libsysguy omg is that a headless authority in my bed 21:06 libsysguy ^^ LOL 21:05 jcamins_away "That's a real nice authority record you got there. Real nice. Would be a shame if something happened to it." 21:05 libsysguy jcamins_away is in the authority mafia 21:04 * wizzyrea waits for the shakedown 21:04 jcamins_away oleonard: as soon as it's pushed, I'll start searching couch cushions for funding for the other authority-related projects I proposed. 21:04 wizzyrea oh cool. 21:04 sekjal so I think it's a non-issue 21:03 sekjal wizzyrea: it looks like it's not actually the content of the slip, just the page header, which likely wouldn't show on most receipt printers. 21:03 libsysguy hehe 21:03 wahanui libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck 21:03 wizzyrea libsysguy? 21:03 libsysguy onloan** 21:03 oleonard jcamins_away: You need a new hobby now! 21:03 libsysguy so onload should be set to a 0-ed out timestamp? 21:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Authority matching algorithm improvements 21:02 jcamins_away schuster: I don't know if you saw, but sekjal passed the patch for bug 7284. :) 21:02 wizzyrea and then it's all happy again 21:02 libsysguy hmm ok ill give that a shot 21:02 wizzyrea usually updating the record in some small way (i like putting a space in the public note) and saving it triggers another zebraqueue index process 21:02 schuster give it the interval for rebuild to catch up. 21:02 jcamins_away Or there's data in the onloan from migration. 21:02 cait ^^ 21:01 wizzyrea and you'll see somethign in the results that's checked out, when it's really available 21:01 wizzyrea sometimes the indexes get out of whack 21:01 cait and gets indexed by zebra for availability 21:01 cait items.onloan - it always was :) used to be boolean, now is a date 21:01 cait the duedate is set in items 21:01 libsysguy ?? 21:01 libsysguy it can get set in items 21:00 cait in items 21:00 wahanui hmmm... the opac is for patrons 21:00 libsysguy the opac 21:00 cait libsysguy: onloan 21:00 wizzyrea on the results or on the detail 21:00 wizzyrea and where is it showing as checked out 21:00 wizzyrea (maybe it's indexing?) 21:00 libsysguy where else could that info get putted from? 21:00 wizzyrea old_issues? 21:00 libsysguy but its not in the issues table 21:00 libsysguy so I have an ebook that is showing up as checked out 21:00 wizzyrea hey 21:00 libsysguy yo 20:59 wizzyrea via followup 20:59 wizzyrea have to add transitslip anyway 20:59 wizzyrea I can do a followup? 20:59 wizzyrea to be how it is now 20:59 wizzyrea should probably change that eh 20:59 wizzyrea *nod* 20:59 sekjal (checkout receipts, anyway) 20:59 sekjal but just doing a straight upgrade, no customization, that's the only significant difference in how slips render 20:58 wizzyrea but no, not strictly intentional afaik 20:58 sekjal right 20:58 wizzyrea you can have it do either I think 20:58 wizzyrea it's configurable 20:58 sekjal wizzyrea: was it intentional that the print checkout slip should now show borrowernumber instead of barcode in the "Print Receipt for.." line? 20:57 wizzyrea hee 20:57 rangi [off] i went there, yes i did 20:57 rangi [off] speaking of which 20:52 rangi if you cant beat the capitalist scum, join them 20:52 oleonard Looks like some fun stuff: http://www.jeanshin.com/images.htm 20:52 wizzyrea niiice 20:52 rangi so she can now go to things like this, as tax writeoffs 20:52 rangi laurel is now a sole trader, so a registered company essentially, and does her teaching on contract 20:52 wizzyrea i don't know how hipsters do it! 20:52 rangi it does take a lot of effort to be up to date 20:51 oleonard I don't have much patience for it anymore. 20:51 oleonard I'm so out of touch with the art world. My art school self would be sorely disappointed in me. 20:50 rangi my wife is an art conf in nyc and was all excited about her 20:50 rangi oleonard: ahh good its not just me then :) 20:50 rangi oleonard++ # i agree 20:49 oleonard No 20:49 rangi oleonard: heard of jean shin? 20:48 cait oleonard++ 20:47 oleonard updatedatabase conflicts are usually easy to fix. I don't think anyone should have to resubmit for that kind of conflict 20:46 * wizzyrea hopes and hopes there hasn't been shifting sand underneath that one 20:45 wizzyrea woot! 20:40 sekjal yup, easy fix 20:38 jcamins_away Ah well. 20:38 sekjal I'll see if I can resolve it myself 20:38 sekjal jcamins_away: it did not 20:38 jcamins_away If you use git am -3iu /tmp/${WHATEVER} it might fix itself. 20:37 wizzyrea want me to fix it and resub or... 20:37 wizzyrea yea, that happens every time 20:37 sekjal wizzyrea: 7001 no longer applies... but it looks like it's just a DB update issue 20:24 Shane-S well down to 8% battery time to go home :P 20:24 Shane-S Okay, I was just going through and saw homebranch but didn't understand the scope 20:23 rangi ibeardslee: *nod* i figured catalyst would had to have done something for it :) 20:23 jcamins_away Oh, yeah, that's you. :) 20:23 oleonard and 1219 is old and should be WONTFIX 20:23 Shane-S okay, as I saw homebranch in there 20:22 ibeardslee rangi: we threw a couple of retired PCs at them 20:22 jcamins_away Shane-S: the two don't have anything to do with each other, no 20:22 rangi http://souphub.org.nz/ 20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1219 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New plugin for MARC21 branch 20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Signed Off , Give option to use description for homebranch/holding branch in label creator instead of the branchcode 20:22 Shane-S does my bug 7615 fix bug 1219 ? 20:22 rangi this is due to be launched today 20:14 cait it can all be done by using the existing system preferences 20:14 cait for a project 20:14 cait I have done it 20:14 cait most of them can be switched off separately 20:14 oleonard Where do you see the option to place holds with opacuserlogin disabled? 20:13 nengard add to that list: add to private list, place holds 20:12 nengard lots of things shouldn't show up if you can't log in 20:12 nengard oleonard you are right 20:10 oleonard Bam! 20:04 oleonard This is why we need sub-preferences. Turning off opacuserlogin could disable a bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense with it turned off (comments, tagging, etc) 20:02 oleonard [% IF ( opacuserlogin && reviewson && OpacShowRecentComments ) %] 20:01 oleonard You can't add comments from the staff client 20:01 jcamins_away Never mind then. 20:01 jcamins_away Ah. 20:01 jcamins_away You could add comments from the staff client, no? 19:59 cait but woulnd't you just turn off the comments view then? 19:59 oleonard ...that seems a fairly unlikely scenario 19:59 oleonard The only way it would work is if opacuserlogin was on for a while, then turned off 19:58 wizzyrea this is for sites with opacuserlogin is never allowed though, right 19:58 cait hm but you can look at the comments form others? 19:57 oleonard The "recent comments" link should be hidden too, right? Since comments cant be added if you're not logged in? 19:47 oleonard I think you're quite right 19:46 nengard i would think 19:46 nengard that's the easiest thing to do 19:46 nengard i say just hide the email button if that preference is set to don't allow 19:46 nengard sorry oleonard :) 19:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7636 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , error when trying to email cart when opacuserlogin set to don't allow 19:43 oleonard Oh, Bug 7636 looks like fun 19:36 sekjal okay, brb, getting coffee 19:32 sekjal jcamins++ schuster++ 19:32 jcamins_away Even just a syspref would be an improvement. 19:32 jcamins_away Ooh, I like the idea of having the "Machine generated authority record" be translatable. 19:32 cait sekjal++ 19:31 jcamins_away sekjal++ # for a herculean QA effort 19:31 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:31 sekjal but getting those two knocked off the list would go a long way towards making me feel productive 19:31 jcamins_away Yippee! 19:30 wizzyrea :) 19:30 sekjal wizzyrea: going to need a short break before tackling QA on a second large feature 19:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , User Configurable Slips 19:30 * wizzyrea pokes bug 7001 19:30 wizzyrea woot! 19:30 cait woot! 19:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Authority matching algorithm improvements 19:29 rangi Woot bug 7284 19:29 wizzyrea we are talking about the location that's in the item record, the one defined by authorized values. 19:29 wizzyrea no 19:29 wizzyrea ccode might make sense for the principal's collection. 19:28 Shane-S isn't libraries.branches, locations that same screen? 19:28 cait easier :) 19:28 wizzyrea jinx :) 19:28 wizzyrea or locations 19:28 cait perhaps usevlocations? 19:28 wizzyrea well you can do that with itypes or ccodes as well 19:28 Shane-S then I got to thinking, we could do that with DVDs as well, and each room can be a branch and people could search and know who has what DVD and "hold" it 19:27 Shane-S I wasn't even thinking of branches till the principal asked if her books could be stored and checked out with it as well 19:26 Shane-S so basically they just see all the books, and it just shows that branch having availability? 19:26 wizzyrea ooh, I knew I had done a lot but didn't realize it was *that* many 19:25 jcamins_away Shane-S: not easily. 19:24 Shane-S An administrator here loans out books, and she thought it would be great to have her own branch for "Staff" Patrons to reserve and checkout books 19:24 Shane-S Can I make a branch that can only see its own books and not the main libraries? 19:21 Shane-S I remember that somewhere..and wasn't sure what it was for...but now I see that is what you do as a normal patron...put items on hold so they are available for you when you arrive to check them out 19:20 Shane-S probably 19:20 jcamins_away Shane-S: if you meant "can't place a hold," the problem might be that you don't have circ rules configured. 19:18 Shane-S And though I have available item I can place a hold...so I am looking for that setting now 19:18 Shane-S Didn't look yet, my ADD kicked in and I wanted to populate my cart and see what I can do :P 19:17 oleonard Shane-S: Did you find it? The preference is called OpacPasswordChange 19:15 jcamins_away Well, except for the parts at the top of the island, which don't really count. 19:15 rangi My wife is at the Hilton somewhere near there too 19:15 jcamins_away oleonard: lol. Except that Manhattan really is tiny. 19:15 oleonard Just like everyone in NZ knows everyone else, right? 19:14 rangi Cool 19:14 jcamins_away Yeah, everthing in Manhattan is nearby, basicall. 19:13 jcamins_away Oh, there's the address. 19:13 rangi Showing an nz film tomorrow 19:12 rangi Near u? 19:12 rangi Jcamins: http://www.angelikafilmcenter.com/ 19:11 rangi Heya chris_n 19:10 chris_n heya rangi 19:07 * jcamins_away suspects the number of sign-offs from him will be directly proportional to the amount of frustration the contractors cause.. 19:06 sekjal I wonder how busy March and April will be... 19:06 * jcamins_away signed off more than twice as many bugs in February as in January. 19:06 rangi so thats all good 19:06 rangi actually total numbers are up too 19:05 rangi 2 days less in the month too 19:05 sekjal rangi: interesting 19:05 rangi 37 in jan, 47 in feb .. a good trend :) 19:03 rangi sekjal: yep, you actually did more in feb than jan 19:03 Shane-S Can I disable change your password for Patrons? Also, it was MS Excel that broke the CSV, OpenOffice healed it :P 19:02 sekjal rangi: glad to see I'm still doing a significant amount of the QA work 19:00 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/03/02/bug-statistics-for-february/ 18:58 rangi III was the last one left 18:58 rangi they got sold to equity firms too 18:47 sekjal but we're Aleph now 18:47 sekjal well, my library's consortium *is* looking at looking at a new ILS in the next few years.... maybe 18:46 jcamins_away sekjal++ # that sounded like volunteering to me! 18:46 sekjal but ugh 18:46 sekjal it's doable 18:46 sekjal and librarians do all kinds of work arounds in III, so even a canonical mapping needs to be double-checked or completely redone if their workflows are adapted 18:45 sekjal jcamins_away: we'll need to do a lot of work on Koha Acquisitions first... the two structures just don't match up 18:44 jcamins_away :) 18:44 jcamins_away sekjal: we'll get it down to a science. 18:44 sekjal huzzah the bell tolls for III, but is that going to mean more III to Koha migrations? those are a bear 18:43 Shane-S hmm using the original template...and import_borrowers.pl isn't reading the header file of the .csv, anywhere I can look for more then the feedback? 18:40 rangi http://www.alatechsource.org/blog/2012/03/breaking-news-innovative-interfaces-joins-the-private-equity-club.html 18:40 rangi III just got sold to vulture capitalists 18:40 jcamins_away rangi: what?!? 18:39 rangi when you are bought by an equity company, thats your death warrant signed 18:39 rangi awesome III is dead 18:35 jcamins_away It was not any more broken for the last option than the current functionality. 18:34 jcamins_away :) 18:34 jcamins_away A mixture of LC, SZB-SW, local, other, and what-the-heck-do-you-call-that-oh-my-god-my-eyes. 18:34 sekjal I'll keep reading though the code, looking for possible edge cases and such 18:34 sekjal jcamins_away: cool 18:33 jcamins_away five different datasets. 18:33 jcamins_away sekjal: schuster tested it with a pretty large database, and I tested it with... 18:29 sekjal scanning the Perl for any obvious code-level issues 18:29 sekjal jcamins_away: if I was further along with my home cataloging project, I'd be able to put your code through much more of a wringer. Right now, though, I'm bib-less and auth-less 18:28 jcamins_away sekjal: my pleasure. 18:18 huginn bag: rhcl was last seen in #koha 5 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <rhcl> I guess I'm not very territorial, and don't see a problem with occasional collaboration or comparison between projects. 18:18 bag @seen rhcl 18:08 * chris_n head off for a cold boot 18:05 sekjal jcamins: thanks for writing detailed documentation. it's daunting to take on, but once one is in it, it's nice to have a full and clear picture 17:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority matching algorithm improvements 17:58 * jcamins_away should be back from there, but regardless, don't let my absence stop you from having fun with authorities and bug 7284. :) 17:57 jcamins Okay, time to head to my next client's. 17:54 * sekjal would love to see some happy academic librarians... 17:54 oleonard Hah, Marshall Breeding just retweeted a tweet that was quoting himself. Classy. 17:54 wizzyrea but 7001 is... oh bother. 17:54 jcamins wizzyrea: that's true, but 7284 is more fun. 17:53 wizzyrea there's also 7001 :P 17:53 nengard_lunch need report help with finding patrons without a specific attribute filed in ... anyone around to help? at http://paste.koha-community.org/286 17:52 jcamins You should totally do it. Just think how many happy academic libraries there will be. :) 17:50 jcamins Good news! You can! :D 17:50 sekjal jcamins: well, my afternoon meeting *was* cancelled 17:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority matching algorithm improvements 17:49 jcamins sekjal! I bet you would *love* to QA bug 7284. :D 17:48 wahanui hey, sekjal 17:48 sekjal hi, wahanui 17:48 wahanui i think oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler 17:48 sekjal hey, oleonard 17:47 oleonard Hi sekjal 17:45 oleonard ? 17:45 mib_qsx0jn !list 17:39 jcamins Shane-S: I was under the impression it didn't work. You could try. 17:37 Shane-S I think it is already smart by that line 17:36 Shane-S hmmm... "OR choose which fields you want to supply from the following list:" 17:36 cait bye paul_p 17:35 paul_p bye #koha 17:34 paul_p another very busy week ! 17:34 jcamins Shane-S: of course you *can* do it, but a script might be less trouble. 17:34 paul_p RM newsletter writen, will publish it tomorrow 17:34 Shane-S I might have to look at the import script, maybe I can modify it to be more "smart" and if a non-required column isn't included it NULLS the value for you. 17:34 * paul_p almost finished deploying the 10 sandboxes (7 done...) 17:33 Shane-S nah, I can do it. Just more time then sorting it down to the columns we will actually use 17:32 jcamins Shane-S: a script might be your best option. 17:32 Shane-S have to do it column by column 17:31 Shane-S hmm..that is a pain to "paste" data into 17:30 jcamins Shane-S: the format has to be *exactly* the same. 17:30 jcamins Shane-S: you cannot remove columns. 17:27 * oleonard remembers he was working on some tags stuff yesterday and wonders whether he should strap on the ole power loader... 17:24 Shane-S I will find out my answer the hard way then :P 17:23 * oleonard hasn't played around with it much 17:23 Shane-S I did, but I am cutting fields out, hoping it goes by the header "name" not the order 17:23 oleonard I assume so Shane-S. Did you download the starter CSV? 17:22 Shane-S does order matter for batch patron upload, ie, if I put "sex" on say column 2, versus 20 would it matter? 17:21 * oleonard wonders why Bugzilla doesn't have a theme that's all peach and teal 17:20 Shane-S okay, I will skip those then :P . Trying a batch patron upload, and working on the template 17:20 oleonard it doesn't work very well with American-style address output 17:19 oleonard I think it's mostly a French library thing Shane-S 17:19 Shane-S What are Street Number and Street Type for...I am not familiar with breaking them out of the "Address" field, but still having them present as well 17:17 jcamins lol 17:15 * wizzyrea laughs 17:15 oleonard And working with tags requires this: http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/9/95/Powerloader.jpg 17:10 wizzyrea truf. 17:06 jcamins wizzyrea: Search.pm requires a hazmat suit. 17:05 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "need report help with finding patrons without a specific attribute filed in ... anyone around to help?" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/286 17:03 wizzyrea and coffee. 17:03 wizzyrea doing anything in items.pm requires hipwaders. 17:03 wizzyrea I was just getting ready to look at items.pm, walked away for coffee and poof you have the answer. :) 17:02 wizzyrea oleonard++ thanks 17:01 wizzyrea aha. 17:00 * wizzyrea does not want any 16:59 * oleonard looks around for who else wants some 16:59 * oleonard gives Overdrive the finger for making him use IE in the first place 16:58 * oleonard give IE9 the finger for being a hot mess of usability nightmares 16:57 oleonard Must have been one of those late night unattended "urgent updates" 16:56 * oleonard gives Windows the finger...again 16:56 oleonard Oh crap, when did Windows update me to IE9 without asking? 16:54 oleonard wizzyrea: See line 1310 of Items.pm. It queries old_issues. 16:53 schuster Brooke - yes Tejas is getting warm! supposed to get up to 85 today! 16:49 wizzyrea hm, question, where is "previous borrower" kept in the db? Items? comes from old_issues? 16:41 kf ok, bye #koha 16:41 kf it was Brooke :) 16:41 wizzyrea that sounded like secret mafia talk. 16:39 huginn Brooke: The operation succeeded. 16:39 Brooke @later tell Oak drop me a line, it's getting hot in Tejas. 16:23 kf bye gaetan_B 16:23 gaetan_B bye ! 16:23 reiveune bye 16:08 wizzyrea you should have rights to do that with your openid account 16:07 wizzyrea give it a try, and if you don't, I will give you that :) 16:07 slef Do I have power to just Add Page? 16:07 slef thanks! 16:07 wizzyrea sure, of course 16:06 slef wizzyrea: can I have a kohacon12 page on k-c.o that I can edit as needed? We'll set something else up later. 16:04 wizzyrea there are... 6-7 connectors that are being initially developed? 16:03 * wizzyrea could be wrong about that 16:03 wizzyrea by fulfillment 16:03 wizzyrea I think symphony is one of the first systems to have a connector built for it 16:03 alaquerre The hard part is that we will still need to ask Symphony to somehow use this connector... :-) I can do it easily on Koha and try it... But not with Symphony. If at some point I have the same kind of situation with Evergreen it will be possible... Thanks again for your help. 15:59 jcamins magnuse: I don't know. It's probably the best option for a "local" ILL facility, though. 15:56 magnuse but it's not ready for use yet, i think? 15:53 wahanui okay, oleonard. 15:53 oleonard FulfILLment is also an open source project designed to link library catalogs no matter which integrated library system his or her library uses 15:53 alaquerre Thanks!! 15:53 alaquerre Interresting! I'll have a look 15:52 oleonard FulfILLment is http://fulfillment-ill.org/ 15:52 jcamins It's an open source ILL thing. 15:52 jcamins FulfILLment might be worth looking at. 15:52 jcamins Bah. wahanui doesn't know about fulfillment. 15:51 jcamins fulfillment? 15:51 alaquerre Exactly! 15:51 jcamins alaquerre: Inter-Library Loan. 15:51 alaquerre So that the city will be able to ask a document from the college. Just like site transfert in Koha but with another system. 15:50 alaquerre jcamins - Most important feature is PEB... dont know how to say that in english... "Custom Hold " 15:49 wahanui the first question is probably "What are you trying to do?" 15:49 wizzyrea the first question? 15:48 jcamins alaquerre: you could use Z39.50, possibly, but what is it you're trying to do? 15:47 kf only didn't want to go the wrong way 15:47 kf I have no problem with that 15:47 kf magnuse: yep, I think order_manage it is then :) 15:47 magnuse wizzyrea, kf: sounds like the safest thing is to restrict access then? 15:46 alaquerre Hi All, Is there a way to exchange information between Koha and Symphony ( SirsiDynix ). Basically, we have a city where the city Library is with Symphony and the college would like to implement Koha and still have access to the documents of the city and vice versa. Is there some kind of bridge for that ? 15:46 wizzyrea people get awfully weird when it comes to money 15:46 magnuse btw: looks like my problem with the line endings was caused by me setting core.autocrlf=true instead of core.autocrlf=input 15:46 wizzyrea kf I'm really torn about that one - I just don't know what people want in regards to letting less-privileged users view stuff about money. 15:45 magnuse lol 15:45 wizzyrea hehe 15:45 oleonard MY OPINION VALIDATED. VOTING CLOSED. 15:44 oleonard Great, that's what I thought too. 15:44 jcamins Third. 15:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7602 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Spent and Ordered pages require full acquisition permissions 15:44 wizzyrea MMFV35ZOC 15:44 kf quick poll for bug 7602 ? 15:43 kf third :) 15:43 oleonard or this? http://screencast.com/t/MMfV35ZOC 15:43 kf yes 15:43 oleonard Better like this? http://screencast.com/t/6nIjESEl 15:43 oleonard I have a poll for you all. Here's where the patron image on self checkout is now: http://screencast.com/t/4qbm3F84HvC 15:43 wizzyrea for transferslip 15:43 wizzyrea oh there's a followup 15:42 jcamins Wasn't it signed off on already? 15:42 wizzyrea needs signoff! blarg. 15:42 wizzyrea as people are adding things right and left to notices >.< 15:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , User Configurable Slips 15:42 * wizzyrea hopes and hopes for bug 7001 to go through qa soon 15:41 wizzyrea yea 15:41 magnuse wassat? the voice message thing? 15:41 wizzyrea oy wow that's gonna be fun to test. 15:40 wizzyrea ooo proper iTiva support 15:30 kf :( 15:28 wizzyrea and then it stops working altogether 15:28 wizzyrea and obsessively tries to reconnect until you run out of spare servers 15:27 wizzyrea it hangs up it's connection with the server, afaict 15:27 kf thought you said the self check died 15:27 kf ah 15:27 wizzyrea "the self check doesn't work right" because "the sip server is dying" 15:27 wizzyrea oh, but the symptom of the two things is essentially the same 15:19 kf see if others had similar problems 15:19 kf I think documenting would be good 15:18 kf perhaps file a bug report? 15:18 kf for us it was the sipserver dying - not the self check 15:16 wizzyrea because there is always a sipserver to (re)connect to 15:16 wizzyrea we don't see the actual *problem* 15:16 wizzyrea but I think because we have a high min spare and/or because we have a cron that checks for too many SIP processes and restarts the sipserver when it reaches a threshold 15:15 wizzyrea with the new ones, we see this weird behavior 15:15 wizzyrea we just got an update to our 3M machines, and an update to our Koha - with the old ones, it was no problem 15:14 wizzyrea traced it back to the \r 15:14 wizzyrea we changed it -> colin started having trouble with timeouts 15:13 wizzyrea info's in the comments 15:13 wizzyrea yep 15:13 kf hm right number? 15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5586 normal, P3, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP line-endings should use proper SPEC-compliant \r 15:13 wizzyrea that colin was talking about on bug 5586 15:12 wizzyrea I think what you're seeing is the timeout problem. 15:11 kf last library we have to update 15:11 kf paul_p: this library is using a german vendor - but we have another with 3m that is waitin gfor the update 15:11 paul_p kf we looked at 3M parameters, and haven't found anything about that. But the library said they'll ask 3M 15:11 wizzyrea because it doesn't reach the limit of sip servers 15:11 kf but seems stable now 15:11 kf we want to change it back sometime, testing if that really was the problem 15:10 wizzyrea right, and you know what I bet that helped 15:10 kf or whatever this is called, I told uli and he did... and now it's still alive 15:10 kf rangi recommended changing the settings for min spare 15:10 paul_p yes, very weird. And not specific to this customer, as frederic told me he had the same problem 15:10 kf yes 15:10 wizzyrea kf weren't you talking about something like that a week or so ago? 15:10 kf we had problems with the sip server (it died sometimes) but now it seems ok 15:10 kf it seems to work 15:10 kf weird! 15:10 kf uh 15:10 paul_p with the patch : present borrower card / immediate OK / present book 1 / OK, checked out / present book / OK checked out 15:09 wizzyrea ! that's alarming. 15:09 paul_p wizzyrea without the patch = present a borrower card / wait 10 seconds minimum / message OK / present book 1 / "can't be checked-out" / present book 1 / message "ok, checked out / present book 2 / "can't be checked-out" / present book 2 / message "ok, checked out" /... 15:09 wizzyrea ending up with a zillion hung SIP processes. 15:09 wizzyrea they connect then time out then reconnect and time out and the SIP services never terminate at the server side. 15:08 kf we updated a library last week :) 15:08 kf wizzyrea: what is the behaviour? 15:08 wizzyrea we have a site that just upgraded their self check machines, and have noticed rather odd behaviour out of them, but they are not *broken* 15:08 * oleonard notices Bug 7629 needs signoff, how interesting... 15:07 wizzyrea there 15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7619 blocker, P2, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , 3M self checkout don't work in France 15:07 wizzyrea bug 7619 15:07 wizzyrea sec 15:07 wizzyrea no, wrong lol 15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7629 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file. 15:07 wizzyrea re: bug 7629, what was your symptom? 15:07 paul_p wizzyrea yep (writing RM newsletter #4) 15:07 wizzyrea paul_p - about? 15:04 magnuse kf++ 15:04 kf I really not sure what's best, but will make it work like people suggest it shoudl :) 15:04 magnuse wizzyrea: :-) 15:04 kf only not limiting to a special permission one of them is enough 15:03 kf it still assumes you have general access to the module 15:03 kf so looking for opinions 15:03 wizzyrea and I know people are titchy about money 15:03 wizzyrea we don't use acquisitions 15:03 kf I am torn 15:03 wizzyrea but then again 15:02 wizzyrea kf: I think I'm with you - if you can't change it, what's the harm in viewing it? 15:01 wizzyrea I guessed for the website 15:01 wizzyrea is there a page you wanted to have be the landing page for kohacon2012 15:01 kf wizzyrea: please *smiles nicely* 15:01 wizzyrea oh, slef 15:00 wizzyrea :) 15:00 wizzyrea just kidding 15:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7602 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Spent and Ordered pages require full acquisition permissions 15:00 kf can I get some opinions on bug 7602? 15:00 * wizzyrea scolds magnuse for using unclean windows tools 15:00 kf hi all 14:43 slef magnus_afk broke his own vm somehow 14:43 magnus_afk i did a git pull, but that said i was already uptodate, so the changes did not come from there 14:43 slef oleonard: thanks. All's OK then :) 14:42 oleonard I get opac/opac-search.pl: a /usr/bin/perl script text executable 14:42 oleonard slef: file opac/opac-search.pl ? 14:41 slef magnus_afk: can you check a current clone of the head? I'd hate it if that's come from git.k-c.o 14:40 * marcelr leaves the room 14:39 marcelr mostly reindentation :-) 14:39 oleonard Seems to be. I get the correct response now 14:38 wahanui looks like it is a replicate of /usr/share/koha/misc 14:38 marcelr looks like it 14:37 oleonard I wonder if it's a typo for CanBookBeIssued? 14:37 oleonard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2041f2c973ad7782b6ebbc0fe215c7b3036c166d#patch6 14:36 marcelr me too 14:35 oleonard I find no other references to "CanBookBeIssuedCheckout" other than that one in sco-main.pl 14:35 marcelr kf++ for being faster 14:34 marcelr oleonard: please check if it is moved by the Denesting packages report? 14:34 kf denesting strikes again? 14:34 kf oh 14:33 oleonard Undefined subroutine &main::CanBookBeIssuedCheckout called at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/opac/sco/sco-main.pl line 135. 14:32 kf marcelr++ slef++ koha++ 14:32 magnus_afk :-) 14:28 marcelr keep doing so ! 14:28 magnus_afk as far as i can remember i just started it up and did normal things 14:28 magnus_afk as to why it happened, i have no clue! it's on a vm that only i use 14:27 marcelr great 14:26 magnus_afk it would have taken me the rest of the day to figure that out! 14:26 magnus_afk marcelr++ 14:26 magnus_afk slef++ 14:26 magnus_afk dos2unix opac/opac-search.pl fixed it! 14:25 marcelr ;) 14:24 slef palliative care FTL! 14:24 slef I had one site, years ago, where someone kept breaking scripts and refused to fix or change their tools, so I actually made a "perl\015" symlink to perl :-/ 14:23 marcelr ? 14:23 slef marcelr: I was thinking tofrodos 14:23 * magnus_afk shudders at the thought of unclean windows-tools 14:23 marcelr dos2unix? 14:22 slef or use fromdos if you have it installed 14:22 slef open it in an editor that handles both DOS and Unix encodings and change it back to Unix 14:22 slef probably someone been editing it from Windows with an unclean tool? 14:22 marcelr magnus: save changes and git reset? 14:22 slef you've got a file encoding problem 14:21 magnus_afk \015 ? 14:21 slef yay! 14:21 magnus_afk opac/opac-search.pl: a /usr/bin/perl\015 script text executable 14:21 magnus_afk $ file opac/opac-search.pl 14:21 slef try: file opac-search.pl 14:21 magnus_afk nope 14:20 slef git diff doesn't suggest anything unusual changed about it? 14:20 magnus_afk but not opac-authorities-home.pl 14:20 magnus_afk opac-search.pl and opac-user.pl give errors 14:19 magnus_afk other pages in the opac work fine 14:19 magnus_afk me too ;-) 14:19 slef I'm curious as to what the problem is :) 14:19 slef If yes to both, can it run a simple helloworld.pl from /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/ ? 14:18 slef well, that's an odd one. Can it run any CGI scripts? Any perl CGI scripts? 14:17 slef that was looking for a fourth possibility: could be missing o+rx on a parent folder, most likely /home/magnus 14:17 magnus_afk yup: -rwxr-xr-x 1 magnus magnus 32144 1 mars 14:58 /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl 14:17 slef can you: sudo -u www-data ls -l /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl ? 14:16 slef ah I knpw 14:16 slef possible third problem is that the apache configuration is misdirecting it somehow (handlers, suexec, or something else) but the error seems a bit confusing 14:16 magnus_afk /usr/bin/perl 14:16 magnus_afk $ which perl 14:15 slef I'm thinking of two possibilities: whatever fs that is on is mounted noexec, or the perl isn't where the first line of opac-search.pl says 14:15 magnus_afk no output? 14:14 slef magnus_afk: mount | grep home ? 14:13 magnus_afk -rwxr-xr-x 1 magnus magnus 32144 1 mars 14:58 /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl 14:13 magnus_afk but $ ls -l /home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl 14:13 magnus_afk /var/log/apache2/error.log says No such file or directory: exec of '/home/magnus/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl' failed 14:12 kf magnus_afk: ouch! 14:10 marcelr ay 14:07 magnus_afk huh, suddenly my dev install gives a 500 error and the logs say "Premature end of script headers". weirdness! 14:04 kivilahtio with no way to control how many eBooks can be concurrently loaned, we will run out of budget in a flash 14:04 oleonard I don't know the numbers because I don't handle the money. We're part of a consortium of libraries and we are obligated to spend a certain amount of money each year 14:04 kivilahtio oleonard: the eBook services for us are ridiculously expensive 14:03 kivilahtio oleonard: out of curiosity? how much does this service cost? 14:03 kivilahtio oleonard: makes our job much easier 14:03 kivilahtio oleonard: ok, that's good to hear 14:02 oleonard kivilahtio: We don't. the DRM is handled by the service we subscribe to. 14:02 kivilahtio how do you control that patrons delete eMaterial after the loan period expires? 14:00 kf kivilahtio: you will have to ask oleonard how he did that :) 13:59 kf nice links :) 13:59 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&idx=kw&idx=kw&limit=mc-ccode%3ADNLD&sort_by=relevance&do=Search 13:58 oleonard kivilahtio: We have MARC records for ebooks and use the 856u field to point to the URL 13:58 kivilahtio how does Koha deal with eBooks for ex.? 13:57 kivilahtio do you have electronic material? 13:47 marcelr :s 13:47 marcelr :o 13:46 marcelr forget the smilies 13:46 marcelr ? 13:46 julian_m ok 13:46 marcelr unconfined_u:object_r:httpd_sys_script_exec_t:s0 13:46 marcelr script in a new folder did not have the right label for a perl script 13:45 julian_m just by curiosity marcelr, why selinux was 'blocking' this script? 13:44 * marcelr thinks that security is a great thing, except when forgetting your keys 13:44 marcelr julian_m: we found it; the item box is doing something now; will look at it again; thx 13:39 marcelr yes 13:39 kf marcelr: in the koha logs? 13:39 marcelr from selinux 13:39 marcelr security stuff 13:39 marcelr yes i was looking already 13:36 julian_m [HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error 1279ms]" itemrecorddisplay.pl is the script that retrieves the item form. If something fails here, there should be something in logs. Could you check when you have a moment? 13:36 julian_m marcelr, at the end of your error messages, i see this "http://libdevelop.rijksmuseum.nl:8009/cgi-bin/koha/services/itemrecorddisplay.pl?frameworkcode=ACQ 13:36 mbalmer that's mveron and brigitte bruederlin 13:35 * magnus_afk waves at the swiss meeting 13:35 kf hi mbalmer and members of the swiss meeting 13:35 marcelr hi mbalmer 13:35 mbalmer good afternoon from the swiss meeting ;) 13:35 kf phew 13:35 marcelr :-) 13:34 marcelr in this case good 13:34 kf is boom good or bad? 13:34 marcelr boom 13:33 kf marcelr: reading my own comment it does not make much sense.. glad you understood anyway :) 13:32 kf very cool - thank you :) 13:32 marcelr kf: will let it pass qa 13:30 kf :) 13:30 * marcelr starts to understand it ;) 13:29 kf and if they want, they can add an individual note too (that's already there), like: CD is in the office of ... 13:29 kf like: please keep the issue only for 2 days max before giving it to the next person on list 13:28 kf no, but each library can have a default note 13:28 marcelr kf: would you be changing the note regularly then? 13:27 kf I meant hope my comment on 7557 makes sense :) 13:27 marcelr reading it 13:27 kf hm? 13:26 marcelr understood that? 13:26 marcelr hi kf 13:26 kf hope you can follow 13:26 marcelr selinux 13:26 kf marcelr: :) 13:26 marcelr julian_m: got another idea, checking some security things on linux now 13:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7557 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference 13:26 kf marcelr: commented bug 7557 13:24 marcelr submitting nice comment on 7178 :-) 13:22 jcamins I think other people are using Windows 7 too, though, so I have no idea what the problem could be. 13:22 magnus_afk hehe 13:22 marcelr yes 13:22 jcamins lol 13:22 wahanui windows 7 is starting to tick me off 13:22 marcelr windows 7 13:20 jcamins What OS are you on? 13:19 marcelr yeah 13:19 jcamins Well, browser-related problems. 13:19 jcamins marcelr: oh, no, I guess it wasn't javascript. 13:18 marcelr 9.0.1 13:18 marcelr was that javascript? 13:18 jcamins What version of FF are you using? 13:18 jcamins There was that bug in cataloging that I couldn't duplicate. 13:18 jcamins marcelr: you've had other instances of javascript problems. 13:18 marcelr in both cases lots of warnings 13:17 marcelr not all message are the same 13:17 julian_m marcelr, firefox 10 (french) 13:17 julian_m marcelr, without the patch do you get the same error messages? 13:16 marcelr or another browser? 13:15 marcelr julian: do you test with english or french firefox? 13:14 marcelr dutch firefox though?? 13:13 marcelr no special yui too 13:12 * jcamins is out of ideas, then. 13:12 julian_m marcelr, any special version of yui libraries maybe? :) 13:12 marcelr no 13:12 jcamins marcelr: do you have any custom javascript in intranetuserjs? 13:12 julian_m marcelr, ok, it seems that some javascript fails and so the piece of js that should load the item form is not executed. don't know what to do since i do not reproduce 13:12 marcelr julian_m: if i repeat on current master, i also have lots of warnings but they are not all the same (!) 13:09 marcelr from skin and staff-global mostly 13:09 marcelr yes one refresh there generates tens of warnings 13:08 julian_m marcelr, still talking about neworderempty o_ô ? I never seen these messages before... :-/ 13:06 marcelr all coming from yui/skin 13:06 marcelr all coming from yui/skon 13:06 marcelr same for Xposition 13:05 marcelr Unknown property zoom 13:05 marcelr oops dutch 13:05 marcelr Waarschuwing: Onbekende eigenschap ‘zoom’. Declaratie genegeerd. 13:05 marcelr lots of errors there 13:03 marcelr no but will look 13:03 julian_m marcelr, yes, that is the problem, did you see any javascript errors (with firebug or other) ? 13:01 marcelr see jpg 13:01 marcelr julian_m: but cannot add items too 13:00 slef kf: nice one 13:00 slef jcamins: it'll do as an example 13:00 julian_m marcelr, the quantity is automatically incremented as you add items. This behaviour is not different from master, right? (the difference is that on master quantity start at 1 instead of 0) 12:59 kf hfjs.bsz-bw.de ? 12:59 jcamins Well, this one is... not awful, maybe: http://donum.numismatics.org/ 12:58 jcamins Ah. 12:58 slef I'm looking for a nice logo in the usual logo position (sorry for not qualifying it) 12:58 kf slef: I think most libraries use prog, others don't work well, it's all css and js 12:57 slef ACPL bust their logo out of the usual logo position (opacCss maybe) 12:57 jcamins slef: I think I'm missing something about what you're looking for. 12:57 jcamins oleonard uses prog. 12:57 kf julian_m, marcelr: I think that is right 12:57 slef I'd like one that is using prog templates if possible, to give a small library an idea 12:57 marcelr julian: it is the combination of 0 + readonly? 12:56 jcamins slef: right. 12:56 jcamins ACPL is Athens County Public library. 12:56 slef jcamins: myacpl.org ? 12:56 julian_m marcelr, I don't think readonly is your problem, this is the normal behaviour. The problem is that you don't see the form and therefore can't add items 12:56 wahanui slef: no idea 12:56 slef wahanui: ACPL? 12:56 jcamins It's very popular in India. 12:56 kf ^^ 12:56 jcamins slef: ACPL? 12:56 slef any suggestions for who's got a nice library logo on their koha? 12:54 marcelr julian: your patch introduces that line 12:54 kf sure it can be fixed and then it will be awesome 12:54 kf successful qa - found what I missed :) 12:53 kf marcelr++ 12:53 marcelr that is the problem 12:53 marcelr about template neworderempty 12:53 marcelr julian: added a comment 12:52 julian_m marcelr, tested just now, freshly rebased on master, I reproduce your problem, but when I hit ctrl-F5, the form appears :-/ 12:52 kf jcamins: that is a good idea 12:51 marcelr it does not work 12:51 marcelr well working.. 12:51 marcelr 7178 currently 12:51 marcelr not now 12:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7609 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Improving links to find analytics and volumes when using UseControlnumber 12:51 jcamins marcelr: are you working on bug 7609? 12:50 jcamins 7609. 12:50 * jcamins looks to see if there's anything to sign off on this morning as he tries to wake up. 12:48 marcelr see 7178 uploaded a screenshot 12:48 julian_m marcelr, i want to be sure to understand, does the item form show up once, and disappear after clicking on save, or just never shows up? 12:46 kf I thought it was because of that, so didn't note as a bug 12:46 kf and after that it worked 12:46 marcelr did some refreshes just now 12:46 kf that the item form didn't showup 12:46 kf marcelr: did you just start testing? I had it happen to me once while testing, but after F5+ctrl it worked 12:46 marcelr no item block to see 12:46 marcelr cannot do it 12:46 kf you have always to add at least 1 item 12:46 kf misunderstood the question then 12:46 kf sorry 12:46 kf oh 12:46 marcelr it is 0 and readonly 12:45 kf marcelr: you can never order less than 1 12:45 julian_m marcelr, ok.. :( 12:45 marcelr no change. 12:44 marcelr try 12:44 julian_m marcelr, be sure to refresh entirely the page (.js included), with firefox I had some problems until I press <Ctrl>-F5 12:43 marcelr yes 12:43 julian_m marcelr, with acqcreateitem='ordering' ? 12:43 marcelr the item block is completely empty 12:42 marcelr julian_m: with your patch, i cannot edit quantity while it is zero; so i cannot save and i am stuck at neworderempty.. 12:37 marcelr well ok 12:35 kf on the receive 12:35 kf marcelr: yes, when creating on receive, it's like that too :) 12:35 kf marcelr: it's a request from big libraries to change it - but it's like that now and after the patch, so I think it should not fail qa for not fixing another bug 12:35 marcelr though that it also was so with receiving? will check that 12:35 kf marcelr: you can only fill in quantity manually when creating items in cataloging or on receive 12:35 marcelr so can only order one there now 12:35 julian_m marcelr, not sure of what you are talking about, when acqcreateitem='ordering' you create items in neworderempty.pl so quantity is automatically increased when you create new items 12:34 kf only staying the same 12:34 kf but it's not regressing 12:34 kf marcelr: there is an enh request 12:34 kf marcelr: yes,when you have it on order it is 12:34 marcelr julian_m: understand my problem? 12:33 marcelr see the problem report.. 12:33 marcelr hi kf 12:33 marcelr we normally use cateloging there 12:32 kf marcelr: sorry, was at lunch 12:32 marcelr with acqcreateitem=ordering 12:32 marcelr seems to be so in current master too 12:32 marcelr my quantity on neworderempty is always readonly? 12:31 marcelr hi julian: question about 7178 12:31 julian_m marcelr, yes 12:31 marcelr julian_m around ? 12:23 jcamins Ooh! I can get auto insurance for $12/month! What a deal! Until you consider that it costs an infinite amount per car, anyway. 12:18 * mveron Has to leave for the weekly Koha meeting 12:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7628 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories 12:15 mveron bug 7628 11:54 mveron Thanks, magnus :-) 11:51 magnus_afk mveron++ 11:51 mveron kf: Patron categores: I changed the JavaScript, it first makes a trim, then if not empty checks for allowed characters. Works. Will file a bug. 11:50 jcamins Sounds about right. 11:50 jcamins lol 11:49 marcelr Huge Problems 11:47 jcamins Platform... HP? 11:46 jcamins :) 11:45 marcelr :-) 11:45 marcelr yes finally 11:45 jcamins marcelr: it was a little confusing, but I think you were saying you like the description "Authority matching algorithm improvements"? 11:43 marcelr hope so 11:43 marcelr was that english? 11:43 jcamins Good morning, magnus_afk. 11:42 marcelr jcamins++ for the name of 7284 at first only 11:41 magnus_afk good morning jcamins_away :-) 11:41 marcelr yes that is the problem.. 11:40 jcamins_away marcelr: you know you want to. :) 11:40 marcelr :-) i guess so 11:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority matching algorithm improvements 11:39 jcamins_away marcelr: you know what would be fun to QA? bug 7284! 11:38 Amit_Gupta http://box2dflash.sourceforge.net/ 11:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Improve order item creation 11:29 marcelr QAing bug 7178 11:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets 11:21 * magnus_afk tries to sign off bug 6440 11:14 marcelr we'll see 11:14 paul_p to do before. Then back to QA/pushing 11:14 paul_p but I've the RM monthly newsletter to write and some mail for inviting more ppl to the hackfest (some french librarians) 11:14 marcelr fine 11:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 11:14 paul_p yep, it's on my list 11:14 marcelr bug 7310 11:13 marcelr paul_p: could you take a look at 7310 again too? 11:13 paul_p right, perfect then ! 11:13 marcelr paul_p: 7379 is such 11:13 paul_p (there should be 4 or 5) 11:13 paul_p marcelr could you favor biblibre patches for QA, because I plan to QA non-biblibre patches this afternoon (or more probable, tomorrow) 11:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 normal, P3, ---, adrien.saurat, Signed Off , copynumber is displayed 'as is' when linked to autorised values 11:12 marcelr Qaing bug 7379 11:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Passed QA , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once 11:12 paul_p marcelr++ (for QAed bug 5877) 11:05 marcelr no kf? 11:04 marcelr ;) 11:04 wahanui peachy 11:04 marcelr how are you, wahanui? 11:03 wahanui rumour has it kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert 11:03 marcelr kf? 10:55 kf cool :) 10:54 julian_m kf the error message you wrote was sufficient to fix the warning ;) 10:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7557 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference 10:54 marcelr QAing bug 7557 10:52 kf julian_m: I was traveeling and forgot to retest - glad you were able to fix the warning and xhtml 10:52 julian_m :) 10:50 mveron kf: No, not a blocker, just a little bit nasty. JavaScript check would be fine. 10:48 * mveron Back from phone 10:48 kf mveron: hope that's nto a blocker ;) would say it's partly training. Codes are Codes - be careful with spaces too 10:47 kf julian_m++ 10:47 kf and the xhtml 10:47 kf :) 10:47 kf ah, and Julian fixed the warning 10:46 kf let's see :) 10:46 kf ooh 10:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7169 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Change booksellers search results display 10:45 paul_p julian_m++ (for bug 7169 follow-up, that will please kf ) 10:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7013 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, adrien.saurat, In Discussion , required format is not enforced for authorized values 10:39 kf bug 7013 10:39 kf mveron: for authorized values - I think you could look at that bug and code to figure something out 10:39 kf mveron: there was some discussion about a javascript check 10:38 * mveron Phone call 10:38 marcelr mveron: will you make a patch? 10:37 mveron kf: I know, but our librarians did not and comlained :-) 10:37 kf marcelr: guessing words - but not really reading :) 10:37 kf mveron: safe :) 10:37 kf mveron: we tend to use only capital letters and numbers 10:37 marcelr so be careful 10:37 mveron Leuk... 10:37 marcelr kf can read dutch too, i suppose 10:36 kf mveron: I would always be careful using alphanumeric values in codes 10:36 kf :) 10:35 marcelr ok 10:35 mveron Allschwil vlakbij Basel 10:35 marcelr en waar ben je nu? 10:34 mveron Ik studeerde Neerlandistiek in Utrecht, het is heel lang geleden... 10:34 marcelr jazeker 10:34 mveron Spreek jeNederlands? :-) 10:34 marcelr beijing 10:34 marcelr at least in dutch 10:33 marcelr peking is in china 10:33 mveron Speaking.. Should put my glasses :-) 10:33 marcelr talking 10:33 mveron peking.. 10:33 mveron marcelr: Seking about my little bug? 10:33 mveron Hello kf 10:33 marcelr sounds like a good catch! 10:33 mveron You have to emove it using sql 10:32 mveron If you use the + sign in the category code, like +TEST you can not edit or delete the category. 10:32 kf hello again 10:32 paul_p !!! 10:32 paul_p marcelr++ 10:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Signed Off , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once 10:32 paul_p bug 5877 10:31 mveron We stubled over a nasty little bug in Patron Categories. 10:30 marcelr hi mveron 10:30 mveron Hi everybody at #koha 10:30 marcelr QAing 5877 10:30 marcelr hi paul_p 10:29 paul_p hello everybody 09:12 magnus_afk hiya kf slef kivilahtio 09:08 kivilahtio guten morgen 09:08 slef morning kf and #koha 09:04 kf #koha 09:04 kf hi 08:05 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.1°C (8:59 AM CET on March 01, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady). 08:05 magnus_afk @wunder konstanz 08:05 magnus_afk heh! 08:05 magnus_afk gah 08:05 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 6.0°C (8:30 AM CET on March 01, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 08:05 magnus_afk @wunder marseille 08:05 marcelr @ 08:04 magnus_afk wunder marseille 08:04 magnus_afk yay!! 08:04 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 01, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady). 08:04 magnus_afk @wunder boo 08:04 magnus_afk s/amd/and/ 08:04 magnus_afk kia ora #koha amd marcelr 08:04 marcelr hi magnus_afk 08:04 marcelr hello gaetan_B 08:03 gaetan_B hello #koha! 07:57 halfie cait: do I need a cron job for sending an email when somebody puts a book on hold? 07:48 julian_m hi cait 07:48 cait halfie: and glad it worked :) 07:48 cait hi julian_m 07:48 cait halfie: I think it uses the time on your server/locale 07:47 julian_m hi marcelr 07:46 marcelr hi julian_m 07:44 wahanui privet, julian_m 07:44 julian_m hi 07:42 marcelr hi reiveune 07:41 reiveune hello 07:41 halfie Can I configure Koha to show local time instead of UTC? 07:41 halfie cait: after restarting postfix email notifcations are working :). thanks for all the help. 07:33 cait sounds good :) 07:33 halfie cait:I am checking the logs now. that fiels is already set to send. I am clearing the logs and creating a new user for debugging. 07:30 cait that should be set to send 07:30 cait AutoEmailOpacUser is the one to look at 07:30 cait running out of ideas :( 07:30 cait hm sorry 07:25 halfie cait: yes, I have set email in system preferences. I also crated a new user with username and password set but didn't receive an email. 07:24 cait halfie: I guess you have activated the system preference? 07:23 cait halfie: perhaps it was username and password... I remember it would not send out the mails when editing the patron after its first creation 07:23 halfie cait: yes 3.6.3 07:23 marcelr hi cait :-) 07:23 cait :) 07:23 cait good morning marcelr 07:23 cait halfie: I can try and test perhaps when at work 07:22 cait halfie: the latest version - 3.6.3? right? 07:22 marcelr hello koha 07:22 halfie cait: I created a user with email and password set but the new user still didn't receive an email. trying to debug .. 07:17 cait there is a sample notice that comes with Koha - but you have to select them during installation I think 07:16 cait the notice should be in module members and named ACCTDETAILS 07:16 halfie cait: cool, trying it out 07:15 cait I have tested that a while ago - hope it still behaves like that 07:15 cait the message will only be sent out, if you add a password on creation of the user 07:15 cait and also 07:15 cait do you have a notice set up under tools > notices? 07:15 cait no cronjobs required here 07:15 cait because they circumvent the message_queue 07:14 cait those are a special case 07:14 cait hmm 07:14 halfie cait: user (patron) creation mails. I was trying to inform users when their accounts are created. 07:14 cait and you said you already have postfix - so should not be hard :) 07:13 cait you only miss a little bit of configuration for the mails 07:13 cait having the rebuild_zebra is good 07:13 cait what kind of mails were you trying to send? 07:13 cait ah 07:12 halfie okay, I followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu and currently, I only have a single rebuild_zebra.pl job in cron. 07:11 wahanui documentation is probably at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 07:11 cait documentation? 07:11 cait it's in the documentation I think 07:11 cait for date due and reminder mails the advance_notices cronjob 07:11 cait for generating overdue mails you need the overdues cronjob 07:10 cait koha writes the mail into a database table message_queue and will send them out when the cronjob process_message_queue (might have a typo here) is run 07:10 cait for most mails 07:10 cait have you set up the cronjobs for koha? 07:10 cait there are debian packages and the koha-email-enable script is for those 07:09 cait then you are not using the packages 07:09 cait halfie: ah ok 07:09 halfie cait: I used source distribution and did "make install". source distribution implies koha-latest.tar.gz tarball distribution. 07:08 cait I am not sure what source distribution menas - did you use the koha-common packages? 07:08 cait and if you used the packages the instancename will be the name of the koha installation you want to activate mails for 07:08 halfie cait: I installed Koha from source distribution. I already have postfix working on the system. 07:08 cait you have to set up an mta on your system that koha can use 07:07 cait halfie: you have installed koha using the packages? 07:04 halfie hi, how do I enable sending emails in Koha? ./koha-email-enable script for an "instancename" which I don't know about. 06:33 cait hi Amit_Gupta 06:33 Amit_Gupta heya cait 05:55 cait hi #koha :) 05:36 bag heya Amit_Gupta 03:49 Amit_Gupta heya bag 03:49 Amit_Gupta heya bg 02:39 Judit1 http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/library-trademark-battle-heats-up 02:38 Judit1 hi- again 01:37 Space_Librarian hey 01:35 Judit2 hi 01:19 eternalsword recent changes to sco has caused a hiccup. see https://github.com/eternalsword/koha/compare/selfcheckout