Time Nick Message
23:07 eythian_bucklame (for exactly that reason)
23:07 eythian_bucklame never use commit --all :)
23:04 eternalsword shouldn't have used --all. lesson learned.
23:02 eternalsword okay, so I'm getting diffs of my current work and repatching in fresh clone from upstream. If it works, I'll overwrite my github repo with that. I remember I did do some history modifications cause I added a file to github that I didn't want public. Didn't realize that would change the hashes on the master branch too.
22:59 Shane-S freaking works in MySQL...so somewhere is all this OO stuff it gets lost or broken
22:59 wizzyrea :)
22:59 Shane-S bye until tomorrow @ work...I am determined to get branchname working
22:58 wizzyrea you'll be fine :P
22:58 wizzyrea uhyea
22:58 Shane-S I onyl have 12Gb of ram in my computer so I should be fine giving it 2Gb ;)
22:57 wizzyrea :) we're always around. Well, some one is
22:57 Shane-S Its running in a Virtual Box VM
22:57 Shane-S as this system will be my "code" system
22:57 * Shane-S would like to do that as well...I might need help
22:56 * wizzyrea too
22:56 eythian_bucklame that way I can edit and hit refresh and see it straight away
22:56 eythian_bucklame I actually just run from the git directory, with some apache config to make it work
22:56 Shane-S thanks guys/gals...hopefully I will get there to help contribute.
22:56 Shane-S Guess I should have said 7 not 6 for pizza
22:55 Shane-S GF wants me there now for dinner...blowing up my phone :D
22:55 Shane-S okay have to try that another night :P
22:55 wizzyrea yea, it's in install.(os)
22:54 Shane-S and since I have all the files I take it I can build a working koha from there? (I have a document printed and remember seeing "git" in there
22:54 Shane-S oh okay
22:54 eythian_bucklame yep
22:54 Shane-S so in the kohaclone folder
22:54 eythian_bucklame git knows that you've changed things, so if you run 'git status' it'll tell you
22:53 eythian_bucklame Shane-S: you edit it in place
22:53 Shane-S does it make a folder or something?
22:53 Shane-S so where do I edit my "branch"?
22:49 * wizzyrea always appreciates eythian's git-fu
22:49 wizzyrea yup, any editor will work
22:49 eythian_bucklame you can use any editor
22:48 Shane-S can I at least use a gui editor...I hate vim and pine, and I like pico but its ctrl key crap sucks
22:47 eythian_bucklame eternalsword: or if any part of its history is different
22:47 eythian_bucklame eternalsword: if you applied it with a rebase, that might happen, maybe.
22:47 eythian_bucklame Shane-S: not until you understand it from the command line :)
22:47 Shane-S can I don't know the command line at all
22:47 wizzyrea I never have used them.
22:47 Shane-S there are some git gui's should I use those?
22:47 wizzyrea view remotes right?
22:47 eternalsword that's weird, the commit hash is different for the commit made Fri Feb 17 15:03:52 2012 +0100 between my master and upstream/master. How is that possible?
22:46 eythian_bucklame Shane-S: yeah, normal text editor
22:46 eythian_bucklame oh hey, 'git remote -v' is useful
22:46 eythian_bucklame I'd always say 'origin/master' then
22:46 wizzyrea yup
22:46 eythian_bucklame because there probably isn't a branch named 'origin'
22:46 Shane-S so how do I mod stuff? normal text editor?
22:45 eythian_bucklame wizzyrea: does that base off master?
22:45 wizzyrea ++ win!
22:45 Shane-S says Switched to a new branch 'my-koha'
22:45 eythian_bucklame but I always include the branch name, to make it a little less magic
22:45 Shane-S wizzyrea: worked
22:45 * wizzyrea is a creature of habit
22:45 * wizzyrea wonders where she is
22:45 eythian_bucklame the order isn't importent
22:44 wizzyrea whoa, I just realized we haven't heard a thing from kf/cait today
22:44 wizzyrea gnite magnuse
22:44 magnuse g'night #koha
22:44 wizzyrea that will check out a new branch called my-koha based on origin
22:44 wizzyrea I think you want git checkout -b my-koha origin
22:44 eythian_bucklame ?
22:44 eythian_bucklame Shane-S: do you have a remote repo that you called "upstream"
22:43 Shane-S git checkout upstream/master -b my-koha what I issued
22:43 Shane-S for upstream/master
22:43 Shane-S ...which can not be resolved as commit..... any help
22:41 wizzyrea (these days I could probably get myself out of it, but a year ago? yea not so much.)
22:41 eternalsword That's why I don't pull upstream until origin has been pushed.
22:40 wizzyrea with bad git maneuvering
22:40 wizzyrea i mean, I think I have messed up at least 15 koha clones
22:40 wizzyrea worst case? re-clone
22:39 * Shane-S just issues the dman command and see's what happens :P
22:39 eythian_bucklame The names can be anything you like though, e.g. "upstream"
22:39 eythian_bucklame Shane-S: your git repo can point to a number of others. e.g. at catalyst we have our internal one (which I call origin) and the public one (which I call kc.) If I do git checkout kc/master, I have the upstream master.
22:39 * wizzyrea goes for rivers, since trees aren't your thing
22:39 Shane-S where are the birds and bees...we have water and trees ;P
22:38 * magnuse has make on his list of things to learn
22:38 wizzyrea if the koha git were a river, your local clone is like a tributary
22:38 wizzyrea "upstream" is the main repo, or git.koha-community.org
22:38 Shane-S in an example
22:37 Shane-S its not on the wiki
22:37 eythian_bucklame (it's also a lesson to use makefiles)
22:37 magnuse ouch
22:37 Shane-S what does upstream do?
22:37 eythian_bucklame especially for a university assignment, and an all-nighter of work :)
22:37 eythian_bucklame not really, decompilers aren't all that great.
22:37 eternalsword at least in that case, a decompiler should work.
22:37 eythian_bucklame magnuse: yeah
22:36 magnuse i assume that would overwrite the source code with the compiled program or something?
22:36 eternalsword lol
22:36 eythian_bucklame watching a friend of mine do 'cc -o program.c program.c' made me start commiting to version control regularly
22:36 * Space_Librarian agrees with wizzyrea
22:36 magnuse well, a little
22:35 Shane-S <-- is very guilty of live updates...hits save...then edit undo = broken...and cries
22:35 * wizzyrea suspects magnuse spent a lot of time screaming.
22:35 * magnuse didn't evenb used to do that
22:35 eternalsword stupid me. I forgot to run git fetch upstream after adding it as a remote
22:35 * Space_Librarian ponders the magic 8-ball to answer these questions...
22:35 wizzyrea and I am happy.
22:35 eythian_bucklame Shane-S: hmm. You should learn git for your own sake then :)
22:35 wizzyrea now I use git
22:35 * wizzyrea used to do that
22:34 Shane-S eythian_bucklame: NO...I have a file, I back it up with .old instead of .php and make changes :D
22:34 wizzyrea "it gets better"
22:34 magnuse agrees with wizzyrea
22:34 wizzyrea <run around screaming>
22:34 wizzyrea which is "OMGWTFBBQ"
22:34 wizzyrea (with git)
22:34 wizzyrea Shane-S: every. single. one. of. us. started out where you are
22:34 eythian_bucklame well, if you're writing stuff in php, you're using version control, right?
22:33 magnuse great minds... :-)
22:33 Shane-S I can setup a windows server, install AD/DHCP/DNS/File Share, install a webserver on Ubunut (wait it does that for me now) make a site in HTML/PHP/MySQL that is about it though :D
22:33 wizzyrea I read it and was like "quote add!"
22:33 wizzyrea lol, I hadn't seen your statement
22:33 magnuse thanks wizzyrea
22:33 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #191 added.
22:33 wizzyrea @quote add Eythian: git is easy in essence, but it takes a lot of messing around and being confused before you really get what's going on :)
22:33 eythian_bucklame my suggestion is to learn that git reset is your friend, and git reflog can give you the information to recover from almost any screwup.
22:32 eythian_bucklame haha
22:32 Shane-S tree theory...I think I am gonna leave...and find a new career..I know none of this
22:31 eythian_bucklame it's easier to think of in terms of tree theory, if that's your thing :)
22:31 Shane-S okay this is going to take more then an hour huh :P
22:31 magnuse ooh, that sounds like a quote :-)
22:30 eythian_bucklame git is easy in essence, but it takes a lot of messing around and being confused before you really get what's going on :)
22:30 eythian_bucklame creates a new branch from master
22:30 Shane-S I know how to use a text edit, backup files, and make changes...that is it
22:30 eythian_bucklame git checkout upstream/master -B bug1234-fix-the-widget
22:30 Shane-S and the wiki is kinda assuming I know WTF git is/does and how it basically works
22:29 Shane-S I have no clue how this git stuff works
22:29 eythian_bucklame I never ever modify master on any of my repos
22:29 Shane-S that just confused me more :)
22:29 eythian_bucklame *off
22:29 eythian_bucklame but, base that branch of master
22:29 eythian_bucklame always use a branch
22:28 Shane-S wizzyrea: like the label and OPAC results changes I would like to contribute those, but I am not sure if I should do that on the master, or should I use a branch?
22:27 eythian_bucklame that's the best way to do it.
22:27 * wizzyrea is not sure
22:27 eternalsword I keep the master branch the same as upstream. I do all my work on different branches, even when pushing to github.
22:26 eythian_bucklame *git
22:26 wizzyrea is this the branch with your changes for f1?
22:26 eythian_bucklame I'd do a got log and see how it compares to git log upstream/master
22:26 eternalsword thus my confusion
22:26 eythian_bucklame if that were the case, then you wouldn't be seeing conflicts
22:26 Shane-S wizzyrea: no no...I mean the system at work is for testing...so I am not "locked" to a version I am using yet
22:25 eternalsword eythian_bucklame my master has no changes from upstream, so that shouldn't be the issue
22:25 wizzyrea don't worry about the terminology of production
22:25 wizzyrea you mean "doing work on koha"
22:24 eythian_bucklame I think it's taking a long time because what you have is perhaps a hugely different branch, or something like that
22:24 eythian_bucklame I don't think it's freezing.
22:24 Shane-S wizzyrea: I am on that wiki, and I am down to the checkout section...and I am not sure what I should contribute/use any suggestions as I don't have a "production" system in place yet?
22:24 eternalsword I've tried git pull --rebase upstream master and it freezes. I'll see if running the separate commands makes a difference.
22:23 wizzyrea pull = merge, rebase, well, rebases.
22:23 wizzyrea I've had better luck with it than "git pull"
22:23 wizzyrea but you might try a git fetch && git rebase origin
22:22 wizzyrea eternalsword: I'm not sure exactly what your issue is
22:22 wizzyrea really most every question is answered there
22:22 wahanui somebody said version control using git was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
22:22 wizzyrea version control using git?
22:22 wizzyrea sure you can, it's a bit of a different process though
22:21 Shane-S Also since I am running 3.6 at work, how would I go about modifying or checking out for that version?
22:20 Shane-S I am @ home trying this git thing, can I make a working version from it as well? I just did git clone
22:18 eternalsword so I cloned from git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git, created a repo on github with a couple of branches. origin now points to github. I added a remote called upstream for git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git. I am now pulling updates from upstream master. git pull upstream master merges with conflicts. Why are there conflicts as I made no changes from upstream. shouldn't the merge apply cleanly?
22:16 wizzyrea no matter how many times you tell people how holds get this way, they never get it
22:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6645 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , attaching items loses hold
22:16 * wizzyrea hates bug 6645
22:02 libsysguy i love that
22:02 libsysguy LOL
22:01 wizzyrea so, don't waste your microseconds.
22:01 wizzyrea distance light can go in a microsecond = 900some feet
22:01 wizzyrea basic gist: distance light can go in a nanosecond = 11ish inches
22:01 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpsKnWZrJ8
21:33 schuster here
21:31 jcamins schuster: around?
21:30 wizzyrea could probably print $data tho
21:30 eythian_bucklame it's an object that does stuff with the prepared statement, you can't really just print it out.
21:29 eythian_bucklame sth is a statement handle
21:26 Shane-S oh well...time to leave...gotta let me dog out, can't be at work all day :P
21:26 Shane-S $sth= $dbh->prepare(MYSQL Here), was the line i made the SQL change to, but I have no idea what is going on with the sth stuff :(
21:24 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.3°C (1:22 PM PST on February 28, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Falling).
21:24 bag @wunder 93109
21:24 huginn bag: rangi was last seen in #koha 4 days, 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <rangi> bbl
21:24 bag @seen rangi
21:24 jcamins Shane-S: that's because you printed out the statement handle.
21:23 Shane-S okay its way beyond me...gave me DBI::st=HASH(0x9ff49d8) after $sth->execute($item_number); which is the line after the MYSQL I changed
21:19 eythian_bucklame no, php is like perl, not the other way around ;)
21:18 Shane-S ah okay like php :P
21:18 eythian_bucklame so "something: ".$val
21:18 eythian_bucklame -;
21:18 eythian_bucklame Shane-S: '.';
21:17 Shane-S so like "Shane's Error" + $sth
21:17 Shane-S is . or + used to concatinate variables and strings?
21:16 jcamins It'll break your HTTP headers.
21:16 jcamins stdout goes to the browser.
21:15 eythian_bucklame probably still error...
21:15 eythian_bucklame some log somewhere I think
21:15 eythian_bucklame I forget where stdout goes
21:15 eythian_bucklame actually, perhaps do 'print STDERR "this is a message\n";' which I know will show in the error log.
21:14 Shane-S ah okay
21:14 eythian_bucklame it'll show up in the apache logs
21:14 Shane-S where will it go, HTML head?
21:14 eythian_bucklame Shane-S: print "this is my message!\n";
21:13 Shane-S <-- does not know how to get a message out using Perl...only PHP and this portion is OO...so I am even more lost
21:12 jcamins Shane-S: I'd recommend using debug code.
21:12 Shane-S bye
21:12 wizzyrea byee
21:12 * oleonard unsquints his eyes and waves bye to #koha
21:12 * oleonard wonders why he would think he could work on tags code so soon before time to leave
21:10 Shane-S perhaps if I move the order that table is merged in...
21:09 Shane-S I am thinking it might be table position...perhaps after the biblio info it drops the fields
21:08 eythian_bucklame I like to chuck some debug code in mine to make sure my changes are being picked up, or introduce an error for a one-off check.
21:07 Shane-S if it works in mysql, and that line is what fetches all the table data and lets you use database table field name...it should work
21:06 Shane-S I will try another browser after my system restarts...Im doing it just to make sure...
21:05 Shane-S no...that can't be cached, as it generates a PDF
21:05 wizzyrea oh, I htought maybe you were facedesking because you flushed the cache and now it works.
21:05 Shane-S but in the code, it hasn't broken anything...but branchname isn't coming out
21:04 Shane-S I am, in MySQL perfectly
21:04 wizzyrea >.>
21:04 wizzyrea did it work?
21:04 jcamins Ah.
21:04 wizzyrea i think he's looking at labels.pm
21:04 * Shane-S beats head on desk
21:04 jcamins What did you change?
21:04 wizzyrea no, not like that.
21:04 eythian_bucklame that's often the issue
21:04 eythian_bucklame flush your browser cache
21:04 eythian_bucklame Shane-S: no, it doesn't.
21:03 Shane-S I made a change, but have seen no effect, and thus it occured to me maybe I should restart apache or the whole systme
21:03 wizzyrea it can use memcached
21:03 Shane-S just a thought does Koha cache files in memory, like the /usr/share/lib files?
20:53 jcamins wizzyrea: hehe.
20:49 wizzyrea the most I have to complain about them is that the guy who does their twitter is a bit of a knob.
20:49 Space_Librarian eythian_bucklame: agreed
20:49 wizzyrea even outage reports (from my phone)
20:49 jcamins wizzyrea: I think I could've done it online if I'd ever had an account with them before.
20:48 eythian_bucklame Oh, I just start drinking before I call them. Softens the blow that way
20:48 * wizzyrea has never called. I do it all online.
20:48 Space_Librarian there's always a catch
20:48 eythian_bucklame they're lulling you into a false sense of security
20:48 jcamins When was the last time you called a utility company and were not driven to drink?
20:48 eythian_bucklame jcamins: just wait
20:48 wizzyrea which is nice
20:48 wizzyrea we can do it online here
20:48 jcamins I called the power company to set up service, and it was painless!
20:48 wizzyrea ?
20:48 jcamins Wow. That was really weird.
20:41 Space_Librarian Oh woe indeed.
20:40 eythian_bucklame it's still here. alas.
20:33 Space_Librarian hey eythian_bucklame - how's Aucks?
20:33 wahanui hello, eythian_bucklame
20:33 eythian_bucklame hi
20:31 Space_Librarian morning wizzyrea
20:31 wizzyrea morning Space_Librarian
20:30 Shane-S I added a comment to the bug, hopefully I can figure it out or someone can comment further on it
20:29 Space_Librarian morning all from chilly Wellington
20:24 Shane-S That is about as far as I can take it, should I append that to my bug?
20:19 Shane-S However, using branchname in the label layout isn't working :(
20:18 Shane-S That is line 81 of C4/Labels/Label.pm it works if I take the SQL and put it in MySQL command line replacing the ? with 25317 (itemnumber of one of my books)
20:17 Shane-S pastebin.com/ccJMk89G
20:09 Shane-S must be more to it...
20:06 Shane-S hmm worked in MYSQL...so it is joined...I can see the data...perhaps wrong name...checking schema
20:05 patric It's not so much dedicated and occupied
20:04 patric BSD, you know that little group that brought us tcp/ip
20:03 Shane-S have to copy the code to MYSQL and see what it does :P
20:03 Shane-S I did :P
20:02 wizzyrea Shane-S: that's probably because you'd have to join items on branches
20:02 Shane-S I just added the branches table to the MYSQL
20:02 Shane-S I am a backup of the original...hmm it didn't work...didn't break...but using branchname didn't do anything
20:01 jcamins Shane-S: well, if you did, you can use git to go back to the way it was prior to your change easily. :)
20:00 Shane-S okay I changed line 81...gonna try it *prays he did not break it*
19:55 jcamins I didn't realize it was still active. I heard a bunch about it in 2006, and then it just fell off my radar.
19:54 slef Box Shifters Direct!
19:53 jcamins PC-BSD? Wow. It's been a long time since I heard about PC-BSD.
19:52 jcamins patric: you have a Starcraft box? Now that is dedication!
19:52 wizzyrea but it's not open.
19:52 * wizzyrea is totally aware that osx is unix. It's why I started using it in the first place.
19:52 patric My starcraft box runs pc-bsd, which is very nice for perfomance, but I still love my macs
19:51 oleonard Not that I'm aware of
19:51 jcamins oleonard: have there been any interesting comments recently?
19:51 wizzyrea hah.
19:51 wizzyrea and I actually think I like it better than osx
19:51 * oleonard wonders if Computerworld checked for comments on library-related blogs for official PTFS statements
19:51 * wizzyrea uses ubuntu at home now
19:50 oleonard "Computerworld has not yet found a spokesperson for PTFS/Liblime to give its side of the story." Typical.
19:50 patric OSX is unix these days, one of the very few certified
19:50 jcamins [off] Wait... I thought Kotui was a Sirsi project?
19:49 Shane-S OSX is built on Unix though :D
19:48 Shane-S <--loved PCs until he became a build IT admin and finds it annoying that a Mac can have apps "dropped" to them but with M$ you have to use a GPU get or make an MSI and WAIT at login/startup
19:48 wizzyrea i expected... dunno, more open source open hardware open-etc from him I guess.
19:48 oleonard http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/library-trademark-battle-heats-up
19:48 wizzyrea but! it's *linus torvalds*
19:48 jcamins As do I.
19:47 wizzyrea i'm using a mac right now ;)
19:47 jcamins wizzyrea uses a Mac. :)
19:47 Shane-S what are you one?
19:47 wizzyrea don't get me wrong, macs are lovely.
19:47 Shane-S I am on a MacBook Pro why is an Air an issue?
19:46 wizzyrea my illusions, they burn.
19:46 wizzyrea this seems all kinds of wrong to me.
19:46 Shane-S hmm let me try modifying that :P
19:46 wizzyrea ...linus uses a macbook air.
19:40 chris_n probably if that is fixed life would be good again in label land
19:39 chris_n the exact SQL used for retrieval is at line 81
19:34 chris_n it happens in the draw_label_text method of C4::Labels::Label iirc
19:32 Shane-S Label*
19:31 Shane-S chris_n where does it take the table structure names and extract them, ie. title, itemcallnumber, etc. is that in Labels.pm
19:31 chris_n in short, labels will work, but some fields will not be available as advertised
19:29 Shane-S <-- is clueless to that, just started using Koha
19:28 * chris_n cringes
19:28 chris_n but yes, labels was never brought up to speed when items were removed from bibs
19:27 chris_n lol
19:27 jcamins :)
19:27 jcamins caffeine?
19:27 chris_n caffine even
19:27 * chris_n hands jcamins lots of motrin/tylenol and caffien
19:27 Shane-S jcamins tried a drill? back in ancient times they use to bore holes for that :D
19:26 * wizzyrea cringes
19:26 * jcamins bangs his head against the desk in an effort to equalize the pressure inside and outside his head.
19:26 wizzyrea go lie down
19:26 Shane-S I did homebranch,952a,title,itemcallnumber and all worked less 952a
19:26 jcamins Ooh, headache came back.
19:26 wizzyrea good call.
19:26 wizzyrea yes, that's exactly why.
19:25 wizzyrea this
19:25 wizzyrea ^^^^^^^^^
19:25 jcamins Maybe because it's not in biblioitems anymore?
19:25 Shane-S yeah same here (I installed from packages though)
19:25 wizzyrea homebranch definitely does though
19:24 wizzyrea yea 952a doesn't seem to work for me
19:24 chris_n its an attempt at OO style
19:24 Shane-S chris_n: I will do my best...but I can just do php/mysql and very basic at that :(
19:23 chris_n C4::Labels::Label does the grunt work of label creation
19:23 Shane-S I will double check now
19:23 Shane-S I swear I typed 952a, :)
19:23 patric ... "replace when "
19:22 * wizzyrea will check, I took Shane-S at his word.
19:22 patric Hey all, I'm having a horrendous time with duplicate records ... reimported, with a barcodes, could've sworn I unimported the old ones first, had dupes, unimported the new stuff, and am now wishing for a wipe out the old one's button, since a clean button isn't showing up, feel free to advise, but for the next few minutes I'm going to read the docs on ...
19:22 chris_n so maybe it's broken beyond 3.2.x
19:22 wizzyrea weird!
19:22 chris_n 952a works here for branchcode
19:22 wizzyrea :)
19:22 chris_n its been a looong time since I looked at labels
19:22 wizzyrea actually 952a didn't - homebranch did though
19:21 chris_n I'd have to look
19:21 chris_n hmm
19:21 chris_n oh
19:21 chris_n 952a give the branch code
19:21 Shane-S yeah...haven't opened it yet, have to find the one that takes the usercode, related to the database fields, and see if I can add in a "new" code and add some SQL
19:21 wizzyrea which seems reasonable.
19:20 wizzyrea Shane-S would like to have the branchname available in addition to the branchcode
19:20 jcamins Yeah, probably C4::Labels::Label.
19:20 wizzyrea we were looking at the label creator ;)
19:20 * chris_n perks up
19:19 jcamins Labels.pm is *more* succinct.
19:19 jcamins Whoah.
19:19 * wizzyrea is amazed by chris_n sometimes
19:19 wizzyrea Label.pm may be what you're looking for
19:19 jcamins Whoah.
19:18 wizzyrea wow layout.pm is uh, pretty succinct.
19:17 oleonard Shane-S: The path I take is often: 1) Identify the variable name in the template 2) Search for the variable name in the .pl file 3) Find the subroutine which is creating the data in the variable 4) Examine the subroutine in the .pm file to find out where the information came from
19:17 Shane-S ah okay I will have a look
19:16 wizzyrea possibly
19:16 wizzyrea C4/Labels/Layout.pm
19:16 jcamins Or C4/Labels/Something
19:16 wizzyrea (just a guess)
19:16 wizzyrea you probably want to look in C4/Labels
19:15 Shane-S man I can not figure out label-edit-layout.pl trying to figure out where the user-input fields like "branchcode" are processed so I can find the variables and query to the DB...so I can contribute code to my bug
19:02 wizzyrea that too.
19:02 oleonard Plus it's counter to their goal of promoting their version to the exclusion of Koha
19:02 jcamins PTFS Europe contributes, but they're a different company that shares a name with PTFS, apparently.
19:02 wizzyrea to participate.
19:01 wizzyrea it's not the same software, it would be hard for them
19:01 wizzyrea not in the last couple of years. Occasionally you'll see someone answer a question here or on the list, but that hasn't happened in a while.
19:01 oleonard Not at all anymore.
19:01 Shane-S Ah, do they contribute to the community at all?
19:00 jcamins Or 3.1.
19:00 oleonard So yeah, marketing.
19:00 oleonard Liblime Koha is based on an older version of Koha, but with a higher version number.
19:00 jcamins They made up a new versioning scheme after they forked off of 3.0.
19:00 wizzyrea they version like firefox does, or something.
18:59 jcamins Shane-S: no, LibLime's software is very different.
18:59 Shane-S or is it just a marketing number
18:59 Shane-S oh so I was on LibLime and notice version 4...I thought LibLime Koha and Koha-community were close in version
18:57 wizzyrea just don't go rewriting search.pm and you'll be fine.
18:54 * oleonard is better at PHP too, but manages to get small stuff done
18:54 oleonard Shane-S: You'll find places where your PHP knowledge will give you enough to go on to puzzle stuff out
18:52 Shane-S I suck at perl...only got anywhere with php (maybe a good decision to keep rookies like me out of the code) :)
18:51 jcamins lol
18:51 oleonard No, slef forbid
18:51 Shane-S does Koha use PHP anywhere?
18:50 jcamins A new cataloging interface, probably.
18:49 oleonard I can't imagine what a solution might be. Changing tabindex would be a nightmare
18:43 wizzyrea (but yes, that's what I was looking at)
18:42 wizzyrea fair enough :)
18:42 wahanui addbiblio.pl is a tangled mess, and every time we touch it we break something.
18:42 oleonard addbiblio.pl?
18:42 wizzyrea i was just putzing about in cataloging, I imagine that catalogers get annoyed that they have to tab through all of those links
18:42 * oleonard is here now
18:38 wizzyrea every time I use it i'm so thankful.
18:38 wizzyrea also, loving the way you did search to hold. Really brilliant
18:35 wizzyrea oleonard, about?
18:04 huginn Shane-S: downloading the Perl source
18:04 Shane-S @ -> @home
18:04 Shane-S my laptop here doesn't have half the drivers and was just for testing, so I am just figuring out how to make it work for us
18:04 Shane-S yeah I am making a VMmachine @ to do a git based install so I can easily edit the files
18:04 jcamins This is very relevant.
18:03 huginn jcamins: Quote #129: "jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git." (added by wizzyrea at 07:01 PM, April 27, 2011)
18:03 jcamins @quote get 129
18:03 huginn jcamins: 6 found: #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum,...", #129: "jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't...", #139: "library_systems_guy: I guess I could put (git-...", #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me...", #186: "trea: git-fu --tiger style /whooosh", and #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each..."
18:03 jcamins @quote search git
18:03 wizzyrea well there you have it
18:03 jcamins_away Shane-S: but if you're doing development, use git.
18:03 jcamins_away (based on master)
18:03 jcamins_away There's a version from February 13.
18:02 wizzyrea but I could be wrong. I'm wrong a lot.
18:02 wizzyrea I had only observed the stable ones
18:02 * jcamins_away rolls his own either way.
18:02 jcamins_away Are you sure? I thought eythian was doing packages off of Master as well.
18:01 wizzyrea stable release. You have to roll your own if you want packages based on master.
18:01 Shane-S are the packages updated from the master or current release only?
18:00 Shane-S that helps thanks :)
17:59 wizzyrea if that puts you on the right track. ;)
17:59 wizzyrea branches.branchname, to be exact.
17:59 wahanui rumour has it schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
17:59 wizzyrea schema?
17:59 wizzyrea schema/
17:59 wizzyrea the descriptions are held in the table "branches"
17:57 wizzyrea fwiw,
17:57 wizzyrea :)
17:57 Shane-S no wait..18
17:57 Shane-S I used to be proficient with mysql back in the day I wrote my own CMS (16yrs old...now 30) been awhile :D
17:56 Shane-S I will check my MYSQL DB and append the SQL statement if I can figure it out :P
17:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , homebranch
17:55 Shane-S bug 7615
17:53 wizzyrea there we go.
17:53 wahanui one can report bugs at http://bugs.koha-community.org/. It's nice to report them, it's great to fix them, and you'll make someone's day if you sign off on them.
17:53 wizzyrea report it?
17:52 maximep making someone's day sounds good
17:52 * wizzyrea makes the marge simpson noise
17:52 wahanui one can report wahanui's bugs at http://bugs.koha-community.org/. It's nice to report them, it's great to fix them, and you'll make someone's day if you sign off on them.
17:52 wizzyrea report it
17:51 wizzyrea let's try that again.
17:51 * wizzyrea giggles
17:51 wizzyrea !
17:51 wahanui you can report wahanui's bugs at http://bugs.koha-community.org. It's nice to report them, it's great to fix them, and you'll make someone's day if you sign off on them.
17:51 wizzyrea report it?
17:49 wizzyrea awesome
17:49 Shane-S I am
17:49 wizzyrea ;)
17:49 wizzyrea reporting it would be the first step.
17:49 Shane-S once I learn git I may help :P
17:49 wahanui i think bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
17:49 wizzyrea bugs?
17:48 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
17:48 wizzyrea bugs is also reporting them is helpful, too.
17:48 wahanui bugs is, like, found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :)
17:48 wizzyrea bugs?
17:48 wizzyrea ^^ so file a bug
17:48 sekjal not at this time, no. though it would make a good enhancement to let users pick whether they want the code or the authorised value
17:48 Shane-S Yeah, once it spit the code out...then I was like "darn" I need the "description"
17:47 wizzyrea which I'm not sure is possible
17:47 Shane-S I just wanted homebranch, and tried 952a versus keyword :P
17:47 wizzyrea the homebranch *description*
17:47 wizzyrea wants to print the homebranch on the labels
17:47 sekjal oh
17:47 wizzyrea label creator
17:47 sekjal but are you looking for an SQL report, or something in the MARC?
17:47 wizzyrea he wanted homebranch :)
17:47 sekjal Shane-S: I got in late, so I'm sure I missed a lot
17:47 wizzyrea if you want that, file a bug on it
17:46 * wizzyrea is not sure that is possible.
17:46 Shane-S NPSD I was hoping for the name NPSD has which is "National Park School"
17:46 wizzyrea oh, you want the description?
17:46 Shane-S I want its "ownership" location, which homebrand did...but in the code
17:46 wizzyrea kinda?
17:45 wahanui i guess the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:45 Shane-S hokebranch worked...kinda
17:45 wizzyrea the first question?
17:45 * wizzyrea didn't ask the first question
17:45 sekjal Shane-S: are you looking for the building to which the item belongs, the building in which it is currently housed, or the shelf/room within the building where the item is?
17:44 Shane-S thanks wizzy, ill try homebranch
17:44 wizzyrea but try homebranch first :P
17:43 Shane-S wahanui is a genius :)
17:43 wizzyrea or permanent_location
17:43 wahanui i heard homebranch was $a, as I recall.
17:43 wizzyrea homebranch
17:43 wizzyrea so try
17:43 Shane-S or current
17:43 wizzyrea you want the home branch then
17:43 Shane-S I want permanent
17:43 wizzyrea or just "location" in the db
17:43 wizzyrea 952c is "shelving location"
17:42 wizzyrea because 952a is "permanent_location"
17:42 wizzyrea or location = holding branch
17:42 wizzyrea or location = home branch
17:42 Shane-S um...one second...
17:42 wizzyrea is that what you're wanting
17:42 wizzyrea location = Shelving location
17:41 wizzyrea location worked for me
17:40 Shane-S ill try it :)
17:38 wizzyrea the field in the db is simply "location"
17:38 wizzyrea permanent_location maybe?
17:37 wizzyrea if you can do that
17:37 wizzyrea chris_n would know for sure
17:37 Shane-S there is nothing in the MARC/Biblio
17:37 Shane-S on the item page the fields with location have a&b in bold in fromt of them, so it was a guess
17:37 wizzyrea oh I guess it is, sorry
17:37 wizzyrea a isn't location though, is it?
17:36 wizzyrea with all of it's subfields
17:36 wizzyrea is
17:36 wizzyrea er 952
17:36 wizzyrea that's a bit fuzzy really - 952a is the marc field where koha keeps its item info
17:36 Shane-S 952a = biblio not item I am guess that is why it came out blank?
17:35 wizzyrea ping chris_n
17:35 wizzyrea hmm no
17:34 Shane-S let me try
17:34 Shane-S location = blank, itemlocation maybe
17:34 wizzyrea *but I haven't tried it*
17:34 wizzyrea so it would seem to follow that it would work.
17:34 wizzyrea Shane-S: I'm not *sure* that location will work, but it is the name of the field in the db where the location is kept
17:33 wizzyrea because we are often funny :)
17:33 wizzyrea yea, the bot is often funny
17:33 Shane-S lol, bot is funny, thank you
17:32 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot location
17:32 wizzyrea forget location
17:32 wahanui location is the Landman Library, right?
17:32 wizzyrea location
17:32 wizzyrea I think you can try just
17:31 wizzyrea there might be a special name for that, sec
17:31 Shane-S quick question using the barcode layout and I want the location which is in a&b of an items 952, so I put 952a, it comes out empty, but title and itemcallnumber did come out. Anyone know what I can use to get location?
17:12 wizzyrea ^^
17:12 oleonard Too bad we keep our bug fixes super secret
17:11 wizzyrea :)
17:11 schuster Looking forward to the new features and software!!!
17:10 schuster Oh glad to see the bug I just uncovered in my Live system is resolved in community!
17:04 jcamins Lunch time!
17:00 wizzyrea Patron is probably a better one to test with
17:00 schuster " to Board member ...
17:00 schuster Yes - There it is I changed it from "Library
17:00 wizzyrea schuster, did you install the test patron categories?
16:59 schuster AH so Library - "Category" is an institution?... oleonard is a quick one!
16:59 oleonard Are you registering an institutional patron?
16:58 schuster But when I register patrons First name doesn't show at all in the display so how will making it mandatory do me any good.
16:53 wizzyrea pipe separated
16:53 wizzyrea yea, BorrowerMandatoryField
16:52 wizzyrea under patrons, I think
16:52 wizzyrea it's in the sysprefs
16:51 schuster Question - I just registered a user on my "clean" test system and discovered it didn't ask for "First" name just other name. So how do I get that back?
16:40 edveal Thanks oleonard that did it.
16:39 wizzyrea (different divs, of course)
16:39 oleonard Try: $('#holdingst td:nth-child(6),#holdingst th:nth-child(6)').hide();
16:38 edveal I have tried using to lines one for thead and one for tbody and that didn't work either.
16:38 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Remove_Return_All_functionality_from_check_out_screen.2FPatron_Detail_page
16:38 wizzyrea it's gonna be something like this
16:38 wizzyrea k, sec
16:37 edveal I found "Remove the textual item type description from the OPAC holdings table" But it is not the same. I have tried changing it around to try to get it to work but because the column is multiple <tr> I can't get it to do anything but remove the text.
16:36 wahanui i think which one is it
16:36 wizzyrea which one?
16:36 wizzyrea that is similar
16:36 wizzyrea yea, I was thinking of one there
16:36 edveal Yes, I found something there that is close but can't get it to work.
16:35 wahanui jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library
16:35 wizzyrea jquery library
16:35 edveal Yes, they don't circulate items so they want the Due Date column hidden.
16:34 oleonard edveal: In the OPAC?
16:34 edveal hints?
16:34 edveal I need to hide a column in the holdingst but am having a hard time figuring it out. Can someone give me some hits?
16:32 * wizzyrea gives jcamins the eye
16:32 * jcamins votes for adding a third.
16:32 wizzyrea I'd kind of be "for" that
16:31 wizzyrea what do you think?
16:31 wizzyrea well I don't know
16:31 oleonard Time to get rid of the "old" kind?
16:31 wizzyrea there's the "messaging system" and then there is the standard edit patron -> opac/intranet note
16:31 wizzyrea which I think is a bit confusing?
16:31 wizzyrea also, we have 2 kinds of patron notes
16:30 wizzyrea hm I wonder if it would be possible to show the patron notes onthe patron detail page as well as on the checkout page
16:28 jcamins schuster: I sent you a PM when you get a chance. :)
16:28 jcamins Yeah, she brought some to class once.
16:25 wizzyrea *nod* it is
16:25 schuster ooo kettlecorn is great!
16:22 * jcamins thinks that's very cool.
16:22 jcamins wizzyrea: I met someone who started a kettlecorn store in New York.
16:22 * wizzyrea goes for a refresh on the popcorn
16:22 * oleonard tries to calm jcamins before he hulks out
16:20 reiveune bye
16:18 jcamins Grr. marcelr isn't around.
16:16 jcamins Okay.
16:16 schuster I won't be able to do anything with it until tonight so no rush.
16:15 jcamins Sorry it took so long... I've been incoherent all weekend.
16:15 jcamins schuster: I should have a revised patch for you in about ten minutes.
16:15 schuster OK then I will go back to work on the "enhancements" in command line scripts that I am trying to get packaged for submission...
16:14 jcamins schuster: the decongestants are finally taking effect, so I'm sitting down to trace out the problem you reported. :)
16:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
16:14 wahanui rumour has it bug 7284 is the first step to making that happen
16:14 schuster bug 7284
16:13 schuster jcamins - where are we with the authority patch?
16:12 jcamins No, I think they're owned by different people. Just managed by the same company.
16:11 schuster but librarything has more user related info doesn't it? we use B&T for jackets a LOT cheaper not as cheap as Amazon or Google, but we're ok ...
16:08 oleonard Wait... Syndetics and LibraryThing are owned by the same people?
16:06 wizzyrea this makes *perfect* sense
16:06 wizzyrea so they do the same thing, in a different way, and are run by the same company
16:06 * wizzyrea sighs
16:06 jcamins I believe.
16:06 jcamins Different APIs and data.
16:06 wizzyrea this is why I am confused.
16:06 libsysguy yes we use Syndetics
16:06 jcamins LTFL provides covers, reviews, and related items, I believe.
16:06 wizzyrea but they are different, but both run by bowker?
16:05 wizzyrea ltfl provides.... covers and reviews?
16:05 jcamins Syndetics provides covers and reviews, I think.
16:05 jcamins wizzyrea: they're different services.
16:02 libsysguy she said she would basically be happy is she could set a defined pattern from one year to the next
16:01 wizzyrea question - syndetics & librarything... the same thing? or different?
16:01 libsysguy yeah im not entirely sure how to handle that
16:00 jcamins libsysguy: ah. Yeah, I hate combined issues.
16:00 libsysguy and accout for combined issues etc
15:59 libsysguy jcamins: I think i figured out what the issue was (no pun intended). She wants the next issue publication date changed so she can set a loosely defined date
15:47 huginn slef: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010)
15:47 slef @quote random
15:47 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #190 added.
15:47 slef @quote add <jcamins> Hehe. "Guillotine: the revolutionary card game you win by getting a head" <asaurat> lol <asaurat> I mean "mdr"
15:47 asaurat not bad =)
15:46 asaurat I played this game I think
15:46 asaurat I mean "mdr"
15:46 asaurat lol
15:45 jcamins Hehe. "Guillotine: the revolutionary card game you win by getting a head"
15:44 * slef returns to get sru working
15:44 slef morning #koha
15:43 jcamins Pretty heavy, though.
15:42 jcamins And it's not even that full yet.
15:42 jcamins All of our CDs and DVDs fit in one suitcase.
15:41 * tcohen is a big fan of that spirit
15:39 tcohen someone said vodka?
15:38 asaurat bye kivilahtio
15:38 asaurat who's sick ?!
15:37 jcamins And maladies! (like Search.pm;)
15:37 kivilahtio cheerios gents and mladies!
15:37 kivilahtio but its time for me to go home
15:36 jcamins Heh. That's the response of all intelligent individuals.
15:36 kivilahtio I never went back there
15:36 kivilahtio I have a feeling I someday took a look at it
15:36 jcamins Exactly.
15:35 kivilahtio vodka to numb the pain
15:35 kivilahtio :D
15:35 * jcamins gets the vodka for kivilahtio.
15:35 * wizzyrea gets the popcorn
15:35 wizzyrea you're hired. Now get to it.
15:35 jcamins kivilahtio: you have no idea.
15:34 jcamins lol
15:34 wizzyrea ok that was really funny :)
15:34 kivilahtio sounds like someone/or something is in a need for rewrite
15:34 * oleonard finds wizzyrea hiding behind "# FIXME: WHY?"
15:33 wizzyrea y'all better get your machetes, it's gonna be a trek to get me outta here.
15:33 * wizzyrea hides in search.pm
15:33 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
15:33 jcamins Very true.
15:32 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #103: "<cait>: Nobody can find you hiding in Search.pm ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 09:18 PM, November 13, 2010)
15:32 wizzyrea @quote random
15:32 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #189 added.
15:32 wizzyrea @quote add libsysguy: one need not ask "why" where there are librarians involved :P
15:32 wizzyrea oh right
15:31 wizzyrea now I can't remember what the quote was I was trying to add
15:29 oleonard Ha... "record store." You know, like where you get 78s for your gramophone.
15:29 jcamins oleonard: hm. I guess that could be it. I don't know whether she got the CD new.
15:29 oleonard I've seen used CD cases notched or with holes in them before... some kind of record store secret code
15:29 wizzyrea did I not give you enough cookies?
15:29 * wizzyrea pokes huginn
15:29 wizzyrea is huginn ignoring me?!
15:28 jcamins And I can't really see how one could hang the case in a useful fashion.
15:28 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
15:28 wizzyrea @quote get 23
15:28 wizzyrea O.o
15:28 jcamins The CD is. Not the hole.
15:28 oleonard Is it used?
15:28 jcamins (there's no hole in the CD, just the case)
15:28 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
15:28 wizzyrea @quote add libsysguy: one is not to ask why where there are librarians involved :P
15:27 jcamins libsysguy: granted, but this is my wife's CD.
15:27 libsysguy exactly
15:27 wizzyrea ^^ this
15:27 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
15:27 wizzyrea @quote get 123
15:27 libsysguy jcamins, one is not to ask why where there are librarians involved :p
15:27 wizzyrea you're welcome.
15:27 jcamins Thanks for sharing. :P
15:27 libsysguy grozz wizzyrea
15:27 wizzyrea *almost*
15:26 * wizzyrea almost ralphed in the parking lot of spud's daycare.
15:26 wizzyrea duly noted one should *not* take certain antibiotics on an empty stomach
15:26 jcamins What I'm wondering is "why?"
15:26 libsysguy monsters
15:26 jcamins Someone drilled a hole in this CD case.
15:25 libsysguy wants manip back lol
15:25 libsysguy I wish there was a better way :'(
15:25 wizzyrea june 21 :P
15:25 jcamins Or October 1 if the Fall issue is first.
15:24 jcamins Ah. I use July 1.
15:24 wizzyrea so say, start it on the 1st day of that season
15:24 libsysguy there is, but a subscription start date is required
15:24 wizzyrea tangentially related problem that may or may not be really related but that is sure to spark contentious debate
15:24 libsysguy I think so lol
15:23 jcamins Isn't there a 1/quarter option?
15:23 libsysguy oh jcamins you have outwitted me this time
15:23 jcamins You mean in planning?
15:23 libsysguy how would you go about denoting that with a timestamp
15:23 jcamins Witty comeback!
15:23 libsysguy I a serial comes in say spring, winter, summer, and fall
15:23 jcamins ^^ Random answer
15:23 jcamins Never!
15:22 libsysguy random question
14:25 kivilahtio ok
14:25 jcamins But if you're outsourcing the development, it's something you want to keep in mind.
14:25 jcamins Right.
14:24 kivilahtio jcamins: It's some extra work but it wont take more than days.
14:24 jcamins Generally speaking, it's pretty easy.
14:24 kivilahtio jcamins: ok, but that wont be a major issue, right?
14:22 jcamins However, keep in mind that it can take a while for features to get into Koha, so you'll need to maintain the code, rebasing it to work with the latest master, until it gets in.
14:21 jcamins Yes, that seems reasonable.
14:20 kivilahtio I mean 1 man/month of work
14:20 kivilahtio I am not looking for hard dates, just some general idea about how demanding it might be
14:20 kivilahtio jcamins: what I wanted to hear is that, how large a task you feel this added functionality would be? I have come to think we could do it in 1 month
14:19 jcamins You'll need to think very hard about how "most specific to least specific" would work in this case.
14:18 jcamins I think the method you proposed makes sense, but I foresee problems with the circulation rules.
14:16 jcamins Good for you! We get a lot of people who don't feel the same way, so I have a prepared speech about open source not meaning "someone else will do your work for free." :)
14:16 jcamins kivilahtio++
14:14 kivilahtio jcamins: reap the benefits and bear the burden
14:14 kivilahtio jcamins: If we go OS we definetely weant to be a part of the community
14:14 jcamins A lot of libraries don't think this through, and end up stuck on an old version of Koha permanently.
14:13 kivilahtio jcamins: To do the migration, code more functionality, make it more suitable to our standards, make localizations
14:13 jcamins Good, so you already thought about this.
14:13 kivilahtio jcamins: If we move to OS ILS, I already suggested we hire a project team of 4 persons for the duration of 1 year
14:12 kivilahtio jcamins: and in some cases we will run into trouble, not solvable by item types
14:12 jcamins kivilahtio: Provided you're aware that this is going to be more work, I strongly support you adding the new feature. :)
14:12 kivilahtio jcamins: but it would make things more streamlined
14:12 jcamins I'm sure there is.
14:12 kivilahtio It is
14:12 kivilahtio jcamins: Is there anybody else who would benefit for having departments?
14:12 jcamins It's just additional work.
14:11 jcamins_away kivilahtio: I'm sure you could.
14:11 kivilahtio jcamins_away: That is what I want to hear. Could we do it to match community standards?
14:10 jcamins_away Remember that any customizations you do have to either get into mainline Koha (which means that it can't break any existing functionality, and has to meet community standards), or you have to maintain the code.
14:10 kivilahtio jcamins_away: and not everyone of our libraries has the same department
14:10 kivilahtio jcamins_away: So we would have serials department serials vs adults department serials
14:09 kivilahtio jcamins_away: and about serials, we can have them in the serials departmant, as wel las in the adults department
14:09 jcamins_away kivilahtio: I come from the school of thought that says "if it's less work and gets the job done, it's the right way to do it."
14:09 kivilahtio jcamins_away: we can have sam item types in many departments
14:09 kivilahtio jcamins_away: It doesn't seem to be the right way to do it
14:08 jcamins_away That seems to me to be the way it works for all libraries: children's book, adult book, local history book, etc., etc.
14:07 kivilahtio jcamins_away: Book for childrens department, Book for adults department
14:07 jcamins_away kivilahtio: but you're going to have to define the same number of circulation rules in the end, so why not use the existing code?
14:06 kivilahtio jcamins_away: we would have to define item types for every department
14:02 jcamins_away kivilahtio: what's wrong with using item types?
14:01 kivilahtio but search groups area a keyword mess when you have 10+ libraries in it
14:00 kivilahtio And modify the search queries to include departments, or just use search groups
14:00 kivilahtio We would have to modify the OPAC-view to hide departments from libraries facet
14:00 kivilahtio loan rules etc.
14:00 kivilahtio This way the departments would be like libraries, when it comes to funds, and
14:00 kivilahtio define some libraries as departments.
14:00 kivilahtio modifying the branches-table, to contain a parent/sibling-relation. So we can
13:59 kivilahtio To alleviate this we are planning to extend the branches-functionality by
13:59 kivilahtio same material is different depending on the department.
13:59 kivilahtio department. Childrens area has no costs for returning late. Loan rules for the
13:59 kivilahtio like to define separate loan rules for the musics department than the serials
13:59 kivilahtio issue troubling us is tha lack of support for library departments. We would
13:59 kivilahtio We have been gathering our software requirements specification, and one large
13:44 oleonard What's up #koha?
13:44 tcohen hi #koha
13:22 magnuse doesn't seem too bad from here
13:04 jcamins_away So, yeah, pretty slow.
13:01 jcamins_away (waiting for bugs.k-c.org)
13:01 * jcamins_away falls asleep.
12:58 chris_n bugs.k-c.org slow for anyone else this morning?
11:43 cait :)
11:41 vfernandes do a script is not a problem :) I've already done many scripts for data migration to Koha from another systems like Aleph, Millenium, BiblioBase...
11:39 cait or generate records
11:39 cait I think there is no ready to use way to do it, you will have to script something
11:38 vfernandes this afternoon will see this better
11:37 vfernandes or maybe AddItemBatchFromMarc
11:36 vfernandes AddItems from C4::Items maybe is the correct method to use
11:34 cait_ So not sure
11:33 cait_ In the past we created brief marc records with the items (for migrations)
11:32 cait_ Rebuilding the xml
11:31 cait_ Reindexing should do it
11:31 vfernandes yes
11:31 cait_ Do you to which records they belong?
11:31 cait_ Hmm
11:30 vfernandes I know the biblionumber where the item will be added... maybe I can create the item directly in the database an then rebuild the marcxml of the record
11:28 vfernandes which is the easiest way to do this?
11:28 vfernandes the records are already in the database... then the client sent me some new items to add to some records
11:27 wahanui cait_: I forgot bulkmarcimport
11:27 cait_ Forget bulkmarcimport
11:27 wahanui i guess bulkmarcimport is different perhaps, than the staged marc import scripts we patched
11:27 cait_ bulkmarcimport
11:25 vfernandes ?
11:25 vfernandes there is any tool to do bulk item import
11:23 cait_ T
11:18 vfernandes it's possible to migrate only items (XML format) to one record?
11:17 * magnuse wonder briefly if DBIx::Class::Migration might be applied to our discussion of how to handle database upgrades etc, then forgets about it
11:00 vfernandes hi guys
10:36 wahanui hdl: I forgot interesting
10:36 hdl wahanui: forget interesting
10:33 cait there should be no ___ hmm.
10:33 cait that's cait from the mobile phone
10:33 wahanui interesting is good
10:33 cait interesting
10:31 magnuse hehe
10:30 cait but it's really not stable yet
10:30 cait working on it
10:30 cait heh
10:29 * magnuse wonders if cait has managed to figure the cloning bug
10:14 asaurat hi!
10:12 cait hi #koha
10:10 cait-m hi all
08:35 paul_p good morning everybody
08:24 ephazz i would like to delete all duplicate records, hw do i do that guys
08:10 asaurat hello
08:03 ephazz i would like to delete all duplicate records, hw do i do that guys
07:43 magnuse kia ora #koha!
07:41 reiveune hello
07:08 alex_a hello #koha
04:03 bag heya Amit_Gupta
03:40 Amit_Gupta heya bag
00:14 eythian_bucklame also, I'm in auckland, unfortunately.
00:13 Judit1 :)
00:13 Judit1 hmm, yeah that eythian was walking, not cycling
00:12 eythian_bucklame Judit1: I don't think that was me