Time  Nick              Message
00:05 Penggu            hi all.
00:05 rangi             hi Penggu
00:07 Penggu            question- mainpage.pl seems to be lacking a stylesheet, whereas all other pages are fine. I don't see any 404s. any ideas?
00:07 rangi             hmm havent seenthat
00:10 eythian           http://www.architizer.com/en_us/blog/dyn/39208/phonebooth-library-nyc/
00:23 Penggu            hmm. fix for zebra issues after multiple reinstalls. chown -R koha-koha.koha-koha /var/lib/koha/koha; chown -R koha-koha.koha-koha /var/lock/koha/koha; koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full `koha-list`
00:24 Penggu            i found those files owned by some unknown user
00:24 Penggu            /etc/init.d/koha-common stop beforehand and start afterwards
00:25 eythian           malkovitch malkovitch
00:25 Penggu            still no results, though.
00:33 bag               hey eythian did you see bug 7589 ?
00:33 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7589 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Package sites unable to display the wysiwig News Editor
00:33 eythian           bag: yep
00:33 bag               you're the package god right?
00:33 eythian           rumour has it, yeah
00:33 bag               awesome
00:34 bag               ;)
00:34 eythian           unfortunately it may be a while before I can look at it, I'm overloaded with non-koha work at the moment,.
00:34 eythian           Perhaps I'll poke at it in an evening if I'm alive enough.
00:34 * bag             sends a bottle of laphriog your way
00:35 eythian           well, if we're talking bribery...
00:36 * ibeardslee      must learn packaging
00:37 eythian           http://youtu.be/iapECJKx4k0 <-- this is how I do it
00:38 bag               nice
00:42 bag               @karma rangi
00:42 huginn            bag: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 520 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 515.
00:42 bag               just showing karma to melia
00:43 bag               @karma brendan
00:43 huginn            bag: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 27 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 27.
00:43 bag               noice 27 rocks
00:43 bag               I wish I was still 27
00:44 bag               oh sweet since my nick isn't brendan anymore - I can increase karma for brendan as much as I want
00:44 bag               Or is that cheating
00:44 bag               hah
00:44 bag               brendan++
00:57 Culiforge         Where might I look or how do I go about opening up koha for access from outside my local network (i.e. I want to log into my home server from work)
01:04 eythian           Culiforge: Koha does that fine, it's up to you to configure your network to make it possible
01:05 Culiforge         eythian: right, I was just hoping someone could point me somwhere
01:06 eythian           probably not without knowing how you have koha and your network set up at the moment. e.g. are you behind NAT? In which case you'll need to port forward, and set up a DNS entry that points to your home IP address.
01:09 Culiforge         eythian: right now I access koha over my loopback and my router NAT setting is unchecked and says open
01:09 eythian           so, your server has a real-world IP address? Do you have a firewall in the way, if so you'll need to open the ports on that.
01:13 Culiforge         eythian: I have a dynamic IP but it hasn't changed in 6 months.. I can always check it before I leave for work.. I opened :8080 to my system running koha and apache so unless xubuntu 11.10 has some firewall business I'm not aware of then I need to check with work to make sure I'm able to get through the proxy.. yes?
01:13 eythian           that sounds like the guts of it, yeah.
01:14 eythian           basically, if you know what a dynamic IP is and how often it changes, you shouldn't have any real problems making it work :)
01:14 Culiforge         eythian: sweet, that's pretty much what I wanted to know. thanks.
01:15 Culiforge         eythian:  could you tap 68.60.84.10:8080 for me and see if you get my sign-in screen?
01:16 Culiforge         eythian: that'll tell me for sure if it's the proxy at work or not
01:16 eythian           Culiforge: yeah, works. Pretty sluggish, but I can see it.
01:17 eythian           > De verbinding met de server werd geherinitialiseerd tijdens het laden van de pagina.
01:17 eythian           it just timed out for me when I tried to do something
01:17 eythian           but I did see the login screen
01:17 Culiforge         eythian: there's really nothing set up on it to speak of
01:18 Culiforge         eythian: whereabouts are you coming from?
01:18 eythian           .nz
01:18 Culiforge         eythian: yeah, that's half the planet from me... :)
01:18 eythian           the ping almost all the way to your network is reasonably consistent, so I assume that the slowness is at your end.
01:19 Culiforge         eythian: interesting.. things are peppy here for what I need
01:20 eythian           cool. Could be some random weirdness.
01:20 Culiforge         not blazing.. but I get things done with minimal frustration anyway
01:20 eythian           that's the important bit really
01:21 Culiforge         if I remember I've got a 12M line in and 768K out I think
01:21 eythian           that should be fine for basic use
01:21 Culiforge         so serving out would be a bit slow
01:23 Culiforge         anywho. thanks for the quickie... back to work....
01:24 eythian           np
02:27 bag               @wunder 93109
02:27 huginn            bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.7°C (6:25 PM PST on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
02:28 bag               I thought something was going on with the pressure - my wrirst is hurting
02:28 bag               or maybe I'm typing in a weird position
02:33 Culiforge         @wunder 49037
02:33 huginn            Culiforge: The current temperature in Battle Creek, Michigan is 1.0°C (8:53 PM EST on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1002 hPa (Rising).  Winter Storm Warning in effect from 7 PM this evening to noon EST Friday...
02:34 libsysguy1        ok so a question about the calendar
02:34 libsysguy1        if we have  a block of dates that we are closed
02:34 libsysguy1        should books automatically be set to be back before or after those dates
02:34 libsysguy1        or does koha still set them due back during the close times?
02:36 rangi             depends on what you set in your syspref for usedaysmode
02:36 rangi             http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/administration.html#useDaysMode
02:36 rangi             section 1.5.1.21
02:37 libsysguy1        thanks rangi
02:37 libsysguy1        rangi++
02:38 bag               heya librarygeekadam
02:38 wahanui           librarygeekadam is testing that theory now to see if it fixes it
02:38 bag               whoops heya libsysguy1
02:38 bag               fail on tabbing there
02:40 libsysguy1        haha
02:40 libsysguy1        its all good
02:40 libsysguy1        it looks like 2 of the values in that syspref are the same
02:40 rangi             ?
02:40 rangi             which 2?
02:40 libsysguy1        or they both do the same thing
02:40 rangi             nope
02:40 libsysguy1        •	the calendar to push the due date to the next open day.
02:40 libsysguy1        •	the calendar to skip all days the library is closed.
02:41 rangi             nope not the same
02:41 libsysguy1        in the example from the manual they both have the same result
02:41 bag               yeah totally not the same
02:41 rangi             say im closed 24,25
02:41 libsysguy1        ok
02:41 rangi             then book due 26 if i chose push
02:41 rangi             due 27th if chose skip
02:41 bag               skip all days will add 2 two the circ loan period
02:41 rangi             exactly
02:41 libsysguy1        ohhh gotcha
02:42 libsysguy1        in the example from the manual it says they would both be due the 26th
02:42 bag               it's probably a french idea ;)
02:42 libsysguy1        so that confused me lol
02:42 libsysguy1        heh
02:45 bag               keep em coming libsysguy1
02:45 bag               rangi and I probably have more of that manual in our heads ;)
02:46 libsysguy1        haha manual pro's
02:46 libsysguy1        or manual bros...
02:46 rangi             heh
02:46 bag               oh too much time straing at the code and being like WTF
02:46 libsysguy1        LOL
02:46 * Space_Librarian is pondering skulking up to BoC to steal meringues...
02:46 libsysguy1        sadly i generally go to look at the code before i ever think about the manual
02:47 Space_Librarian   the manual is my friend...
02:47 bag               yup
02:52 Space_Librarian   TGIF guys - have a brilliant weekend. :)
02:54 bag               oh man it's stil thursday here
02:54 wizzyrea          this week can go straight to hell.
02:55 wizzyrea          just sayin.
02:55 luisb             wizzyrea++
02:55 bag               hey wizzyrea
02:55 wahanui           I LIKE SCIENCE!
02:56 bag               ya no kidding..  just a week of bad news :(
02:59 libsysguy1        ok so if you assign a manual due date do you know if the push for closed dates still applies?
02:59 rangi             i doubt it
03:00 * libsysguy1      goes to dive through code
03:00 bag               or just test it
03:00 rangi             thats basically saying i want to override all the circ rules and use this date
03:00 libsysguy1        yeah that is what I was thinking
03:00 rangi             wouldnt make sense to obey the calendar
03:00 bag               but it would be nice to say - Are you sure?  you're closed that day?
03:00 libsysguy1        good, then I can prove my point to one of our angry librarians :p
03:01 rangi             but yeah, give it a test
03:01 wizzyrea          the first question?
03:01 wahanui           hmmm... the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
03:01 wizzyrea          i mean, what is her contention
03:01 libsysguy1        she wants the calendar to have precedence
03:01 wizzyrea          that if you set a hard due date, it should push off the date due based on the calendar?
03:01 libsysguy1        yup
03:01 libsysguy1        thats what she wants
03:01 wizzyrea          @quote get 123
03:01 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
03:02 bag               hah - a bit assinine
03:02 libsysguy1        because she uses the hard due date to set the due date of ILL's
03:02 wizzyrea          that, is possibly the maddest scheme of all possible mad schemes.
03:02 libsysguy1        agreed…but…nevermind i forget this is logged
03:02 wizzyrea          so, she should look at the calendar, and add on a few days
03:02 wizzyrea          it's ILL processing
03:02 bag               right LOOK at your own calendar :P
03:03 rangi             but what if i dont have eyes?
03:03 libsysguy1        oh i agree with you…especially since ILLiad has its own loan module
03:03 * wizzyrea        slaps rangi with a trout
03:03 rangi             heh
03:03 wizzyrea          teasing.
03:03 bag               a trout?
03:03 wizzyrea          hm, something smaller?
03:03 wizzyrea          perhaps a trout is too big.
03:03 libsysguy1        dude…she literally sent me an email one time and all it said was "TOO MANY CLICKS!?!?!?!?!?!"
03:03 bag               ouch
03:03 bag               wizzyrea: how about a gummybear
03:03 libsysguy1        hows that for trouble shooting
03:03 wizzyrea          a chocolate fish?
03:04 libsysguy1        I really should have put that on my resume
03:04 bag               yup
03:04 wizzyrea          "good with people and figuring out problems - Once solved a problem based only on an email that read "TOO MANY CLICKS!!?!??!?!?!?""
03:04 rangi             heh
03:04 bag               HA - you are hired
03:05 bag               and I quit
03:05 wizzyrea          lulz
03:05 bag               #koha is a little more fun right now - than project runway
03:06 libsysguy1        trouble shooting skills include troubleshooting without visual, verbal, or nonverbal clues.  Ability to read minds
03:06 wizzyrea          bag - you retire as world champion?
03:07 bag               world champion of?
03:07 bag               being awesome
03:07 wizzyrea          i don't know - yes that
03:07 bag               I am the most interesting man in the world - to my doggie Aloo
03:07 wizzyrea          stupid guest.
03:07 wizzyrea          lol libsysguy1 - ability to read minds.
03:09 wizzyrea          sorry, if there si going to be fish slapping
03:09 bag               libsysguy1: you're hired again
03:09 wizzyrea          we should do it with chocolate fish.
03:09 bag               clone yourself
03:10 libsysguy1        I wish I could…the programming world would be a better place
03:10 libsysguy1        maybe I should have called no egotist before I said that
03:10 rangi             i think its time for this
03:10 rangi             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4J836eVV_o
03:11 rangi             its always time to watch australia be smashed
03:11 cjh               heh
03:12 wizzyrea          haha KICK IN THE FACE
03:12 rangi             hehe
03:12 libsysguy1        IN THE FACE!!
03:12 bag               ha
03:13 rangi             and now beer oclock
03:13 libsysguy1        man I miss you guys when I don't get to hang out on the irc
03:13 wizzyrea          ow my brain.
03:13 wizzyrea          have fun :)
03:13 wizzyrea          and we miss you ;)
03:13 bag               YAY beer time
03:13 bag               it's softball time for me
03:13 libsysguy1        well hopefully soon you'll be seeing a lot more of me
03:14 libsysguy1        w00t Softball
03:14 libsysguy1        don't fall on the bat
03:14 bag               ok
03:14 bag               :P
03:15 bag               yeah soon it will be -- libsysguy1 if you are on a computer you're signed into channel ;)
03:18 libsysguy1        heh
03:18 libsysguy1        oh gawd I'm always attached to a computer
03:39 * jcamins_away    pops in to report that after the walkthrough was cancelled and uncancelled, it looks like we actually will close at 10am tomorrow.
03:39 * jcamins_away    goes to pretend that he is that rarest of people who can sleep the night before a closing.
03:42 libsysguy1        congrats jcamins_away
03:46 Amit_Gupta        heya bag
04:02 wizzyrea          yay!
05:01 Penggu            pfft. permissions errors all over the place with zebra
05:01 Penggu            log files, lock files, dbs, etc
05:01 Penggu            finally working
05:09 bag               heya Amit_Gupta
05:34 Penggu            bye all
05:44 cait              morning #koha
05:45 cjh               evening cait :)
05:45 cait              hi :)
05:54 libsysguy1        morning cait
05:54 cait              morning libsysguy1 :)
06:02 rangi             sup
06:04 cait              evening rangi
06:04 Amit_Gupta        heya cait rangi
06:30 libsysguy1        night #Koha
07:25 alex_a            hello #koha
07:25 Amit_Gupta        heya cait
07:40 magnuse           kia ora #koha!
07:49 julian_m          hello
08:09 gaetan_B          hello!
08:17 paul_p            hello #koha
08:26 kf                good morning #koha
08:39 clrh              hello all
08:49 kf                hi clrh :)
08:55 magnuse           bonjour france
08:55 magnuse           @wunder marseille
08:55 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (9:30 AM CET on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
08:55 magnuse           @wunder boo
08:55 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (9:20 AM CET on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Steady).
08:57 kf                god morgen magnuse :)
08:58 magnuse           guten morgen kf
09:00 kf                magnuse: I have a patch waitng for sign-off that fixes a normarc problem...
09:00 kf                and it has a test plan and unit tests...
09:00 kf                tempted? :)
09:00 magnuse           kf: wow, sure!
09:01 kf                bug 7576
09:01 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn
09:01 magnuse           i'll have a look!
09:05 kf                yay :)
09:25 Amit_Gupta        bug 7576
09:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn
09:38 kf                hi Amit_Gupta
09:40 Amit_Gupta        heya kf
12:37 kf                oh no paul_p
12:50 hdl               paul_p coming soon
12:52 kf                hdl: pehaps you know too - sip server dying after looking up patron information?
13:19 oleonard          Hi #koha
13:25 kf                hi oleonard
13:25 kf                :)
14:00 jcamins_away      Half an hour until we meet the broker to drive to closing...
14:00 * jcamins_away    fidgets
14:00 oleonard          jcamins_away: Soothe your nerves with some light testing?
14:01 oleonard          jcamins_away: Or maybe do some debugging in Search.pm to take your mind off things?
14:01 jcamins_away      oleonard, I don't have my laptop or I would.
14:01 jcamins_away      lol. It's not _quite_ that bad.
14:08 kf                lol
14:40 hdl               kf sorry was afk
14:43 oleonard          hdl: Does Biblibre do any non-Koha work using a CSS grid system? I'm investigating possible replacements for YUI Grids
14:51 * Guest3746       waves
14:53 kf                hi wizzyrea and asaurat
14:53 asaurat           hi =)
15:02 fALSO_            Hi
15:03 fALSO_            Im trying to install Koha
15:03 fALSO_            I followed the instructions on INSTALL
15:03 fALSO_            but still when i try to access localhost
15:03 fALSO_            on the browser
15:03 fALSO_            I get Internal Server Error
15:04 fALSO_            and when looking at error_log of apache
15:04 fALSO_            it is stating that Cant locate Koha.pm
15:05 fALSO_            its some kind of INCLUDE problem
15:06 fALSO_            because from what i SEE that file is in /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/
15:06 fALSO_            but PERL5LIB is defined to be /usr/share/koha/lib
15:06 fALSO_            i tried to change the PERL5LIB to /usr/share/koha/lib/C4
15:07 fALSO_            but then it fails trying to include C4/Auth.pl
15:07 fALSO_            but then it fails trying to include C4/Auth.pm
15:07 fALSO_            any help ?
15:08 oleonard          kyleh around?
15:08 kyleh             indeed!
15:08 fALSO_            so, something is wrong with the instructions explained on the INSTALL file
15:09 fALSO_            any hints on what to try next?
15:09 kf                you have to export your environment variables probably
15:09 oleonard          The patch you just added to Bug 7031, does that replace the one from sekjal?
15:09 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7031 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Needs Signoff , More options for AdvancedSearchTypes
15:10 * oleonard        wants to be sure to apply them in the correct order
15:10 kf                fALSO_: actually I have no idea sorry
15:10 kyleh             on 7031, I don't see any patches from sekjal.
15:11 kyleh             I submitted a rebase copy if Ian's patch, then added a followup patch to address the issue that caused it to fail qa
15:11 kyleh             wow, I can't type the morning!
15:11 kyleh             s/the/this
15:12 kyleh             so all three patches need to be used.
15:12 kyleh             yours applied cleanly, so no update was needed.
15:20 kf                ok, picking the global koha mind
15:21 kf                we have a sip server dying when looking up patrons but only sometimes
15:21 kf                any ideas about that?
15:21 sekjal            kf: diacritical markers in the patron name or other info?
15:22 kf                it's the sip server, not the self checkout
15:22 kf                and the checksum was fixed...
15:22 kf                not sure
15:22 kf                it's a new problem after updating from 3.2.2 to 3.6.3
15:24 hdl               oleonard: I haven't seen any.
15:26 kf                sekjal: ok, it's always the same user and sometimes it happens and sometiemsnot
15:28 sekjal            kf: when you say 'dying', is it that the one process stops responding, or it's killed by the server, or all the SIP processes are killed?
15:29 kf                sekjal: pm and thank your for your help :)
15:32 sekjal            hmmm...
15:34 wizzyrea          you know we've seen "dying" sip processes too
15:34 wizzyrea          3M machines?
15:34 wizzyrea          or is this the place with the german machines?
15:35 kf                not the 3m one :)
15:36 wizzyrea          kf, just to be sure - did the library change their network at all?
15:36 kf                no, we updated
15:36 kf                now it started to happen
15:37 wizzyrea          k
15:37 wizzyrea          and it has to do with patrons?
15:37 wizzyrea          is there a patron note with special characters in it?
15:41 kf                wizzyrea: it's always the same patron
15:41 kf                no special characters
15:42 kf                the self check asks for the patron to check if koha is still alive
15:42 kf                every x ... something
15:42 kf                and sometimes it dies, sometimes not
15:42 wizzyrea          oh like a heartbeat thing
15:43 kf                yes
16:08 reiveune          bye
16:13 wizzyrea          kf - wonder if your thing is related to bug 6620?
16:13 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6620 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Sip Server Output may be buffered
16:15 wizzyrea          or bug 5586
16:15 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5586 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP line-endings should use proper SPEC-compliant \r
16:16 chris_n           @wunder 28334
16:16 huginn            chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 24.7°C (11:14 AM EST on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.32 in 992.8 hPa (Steady).
16:16 chris_n           hmm... they must have canceled winter early
16:17 wizzyrea          24!!!!!
16:17 wizzyrea          seriously?
16:18 kf                wizzyrea: no idea
16:18 kf                I will send uli the link
16:22 fALSO_            a quick question
16:22 fALSO_            https://github.com/liblime/LibLime-Koha/blob/4_08/INSTALL
16:22 fALSO_            1. perl Makefile.PL
16:22 fALSO_            (you will be prompted to answer a number of questions)
16:22 fALSO_            2. (Install any missing dependencies indicated by make.)
16:22 fALSO_            3. make
16:22 kf                is that what you are trying to install?
16:22 wizzyrea          sorry I don't think we can help you with that, no idea how it works.
16:22 fALSO_            indicated by make... you mean by "perl Makefile.Pl"
16:22 kf                fALSO_: I fear you will not gethelp for that here
16:22 fALSO_            right ?
16:22 wizzyrea          that's not the koha we support :(
16:22 kf                check here: koha-community.org
16:22 fALSO_            AHHH
16:23 fALSO_            this is another koha ?
16:23 kf                and download.koha-community.org and debian.koha-community.org
16:23 kf                a fork
16:23 wizzyrea          this is the first koha ;)
16:23 kf                from one company
16:23 wizzyrea          (ours is)
16:23 fALSO_            OH
16:23 kf                where are you located fALSO_?
16:23 wizzyrea          that is to say: what you will get from koha-community.org is the first koha, and the one you are looking at is one company's fork
16:24 fALSO_            Portugal
16:24 kf                ok
16:24 kf                you don't want that then- no translations
16:24 wizzyrea          oh yea you want our koha
16:24 fALSO_            thats no problem
16:24 wizzyrea          no translations on LLEK
16:24 fALSO_            im going to try out this one : http://download.koha-community.org/
16:24 fALSO_            thank you
16:24 wizzyrea          yes, anytime
16:24 fALSO_            sorry for the misimpertation
16:24 wizzyrea          and we can help all day with that :)
16:24 wizzyrea          it's easy to do, no worries. :)
16:24 kf                it's happenign quite often
16:24 kf                if you are on debian you might want to look at the packages
16:24 kf                debian?
16:24 wahanui           debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
16:24 fALSO_            a colegue of mine...
16:24 kf                packages?
16:24 wahanui           package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
16:25 fALSO_            when to a meeting
16:25 fALSO_            and the guys there talked about using KOHA for some sort of managing a library
16:25 fALSO_            then i searched koha on google
16:25 fALSO_            and the other one was the first i found
16:25 fALSO_            :-P
16:25 kf                and landed on koha.org :(
16:25 wizzyrea          It's a long, sad story
16:25 wizzyrea          how we lost koha.org
16:25 fALSO_            ok :)
16:25 wizzyrea          (that used to be the official website)
16:25 fALSO_            now i know:)
16:26 wizzyrea          now we use koha-community.org :)
16:26 kf                and lots of resources and help to be found :)
16:26 wizzyrea          but 10 years of SEO on the other one... it's difficult to overcome
16:26 fALSO_            yap
16:26 fALSO_            i understand
16:26 fALSO_            i work with the web too
16:26 wizzyrea          glad you found us tho :)
16:26 kf                there is also the wiki: wiki.koha-community.org
16:26 kf                with a list of pages
16:27 fALSO_            im using debian 6
16:27 fALSO_            you guys recomend to use the source, or the packages ?
16:27 kf                it depends on what you want to do
16:27 fALSO_            (im just trying it out)
16:27 fALSO_            testing it, for now
16:28 kf                if you want to develop koha an installation from git is helpful
16:28 oleonard          Liblime-Koha--
16:28 fALSO_            nah, just need to see if i can get it running
16:28 oleonard          deliberate_marketplace_confusion--
16:28 kf                then I think packages
16:28 fALSO_            ok
16:28 fALSO_            thanks :)
16:48 * oleonard        wonders how many other potential Koha users have been scared off after installing Liblime Koha
16:59 fALSO_            hi again!
16:59 fALSO_            followed all the instructions
17:00 fALSO_            I now open : http://koha.local:8080
17:00 fALSO_            and get a form asking for a user and password
17:00 wizzyrea          great!
17:00 fALSO_            when to check -> /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
17:00 fALSO_            to see which user and pass was
17:00 fALSO_            user koha
17:00 fALSO_            pass zebrastripes
17:00 wizzyrea          ah,
17:00 wizzyrea          keep looking down in the file
17:00 fALSO_            but... i use those credentials there
17:00 fALSO_            and theres no error
17:00 wizzyrea          there are several, the right one is the last one
17:00 fALSO_            i submit. and it shows the form again
17:01 fALSO_            AH OK
17:01 wizzyrea          that one's for zebra
17:01 wizzyrea          :)
17:01 fALSO_            the same that i used for mysql ?
17:01 wizzyrea          exactly
17:01 fALSO_            ah ok!
17:01 fALSO_            it should say that on the form
17:01 wizzyrea          which instructions were you looking at?
17:01 wizzyrea          (so I can fix it)
17:02 fALSO_            Welcome to the Koha Web Installer
17:02 fALSO_            Before we begin, please verify you have the correct credentials to continue. Please log in with the username and password given to you by your systems administrator and located in your koha-conf.xml configuration file.
17:02 fALSO_            Please enter your username and password:
17:02 wizzyrea          well, we dont actually want to tell people that :P
17:02 fALSO_            ok
17:02 fALSO_            its a bit hard to understand
17:02 fALSO_            i went to check that file... and the first user that i found was that zebrastripes hehe
17:02 wizzyrea          yea, *that* could be improved I thin
17:02 wizzyrea          think*
17:03 wizzyrea          afk just a min
17:07 wizzyrea          fALSO_: did you do your install with packages
17:07 fALSO_            all the deps yes
17:07 fALSO_            and downloaded the tar.gz
17:07 fALSO_            of koha
17:07 wizzyrea          oooo okies
17:07 wizzyrea          that's not the usual way but it seems to have worked for you :)
17:07 wizzyrea          oh, wait
17:08 wizzyrea          sorry, understanding fail
17:08 wizzyrea          you mean you installed your dependencies using the packages, and used the tarball to install. Gotya.
17:08 wizzyrea          which is exactly what you said but not what I read.
17:09 gaetan_B          bye #koha have a nice week end!
17:10 fALSO_            :)
17:11 * jcamins_away    is a homeowner!
17:11 * wizzyrea        cheers
17:11 wizzyrea          YAY!
17:12 kf                YAY
17:12 kf                time for the weekend :)
17:12 kf                bye #koha
17:12 jcamins_away      I am OHSOGLAD to be done with that.
17:12 jcamins_away      Bye kf.
17:15 oleonard          Congratulations jcamins_away
17:15 wizzyrea          that really is so exciting.
17:15 fALSO_            well
17:15 fALSO_            got it working!!!!
17:15 wizzyrea          YAY!
17:15 fALSO_            just to tell you guys
17:15 jcamins_away      It is exciting. And totally anticlimactic.
17:15 fALSO_            i work at a university
17:15 fALSO_            and the library is thinking about using koha
17:16 wizzyrea          very cool :)
17:16 wizzyrea          jcamins: I suspect it's just not real yet
17:16 fALSO_            i was just testing out the EASYNESS of installing/getting it to work
17:16 fALSO_            and it was pretty easy
17:16 fALSO_            once i found the "CORRECT SITE" :)
17:16 wizzyrea          hehe
17:16 jcamins_away      wizzyrea: yeah, but the closing was just... blah. Sit in a room for an hour and sign papers.
17:17 fALSO_            thanks for the help
17:17 jcamins_away      Then they through a large pile of keys at you, two pounds of paper, and you're done.
17:17 fALSO_            im going to stick around for a while
17:17 wizzyrea          but now you get to go to your new house, walk in and say "this is mine"
17:17 jcamins_away      True.
17:17 jcamins_away      After I've told everyone I know online, I'm going to do just that. ;)
17:17 wizzyrea          reminds me of the day I paid off my car
17:18 jcamins_away      Probably exactly the same.
17:18 jcamins_away      All that anticipation, and all they're doing is giving you a bunch of papers to sign?
17:18 oleonard          Does signing your own name feel weird now, like saying a word too many times?
17:19 jcamins           oleonard: lol.
17:19 jcamins           oleonard: we'll find out when I go to the bank and sign my name to get into our safety deposit box.
17:23 eternalsword      my changes to get Fellowship One integrated with koha is up at https://github.com/eternalsword/koha/tree/f1  I am still waiting on a production-level API key from Fellowship One, so we'll see what they say.
17:27 wizzyrea          eternalsword: that is awesome. Is F1a proprietary solution?
17:28 wizzyrea          I was just wondering about whether there *were* church membership applications that are opensource.
17:28 wizzyrea          because in some ways, the values of open source would coincide with the values of religious institutions.
17:29 jcamins           wizzyrea: how's that?
17:30 wizzyrea          depending on your religion of course, sharing, openness
17:30 wizzyrea          doing good for others
17:30 * jcamins         saw "wouldn't"
17:30 wizzyrea          oh. :)
17:30 wizzyrea          no, not what I meant
17:31 jcamins           :)
17:31 jcamins           My wife uses a transparent background on her terminal.
17:31 jcamins           When positioned over a white window, the white text is kind of hard to read.
17:32 jcamins           Shari rarely uses the terminal.
17:36 eternalsword      F1 is proprietary.  It's difficult to find one that isn't proprietary, which I think is quite odd.
17:37 eternalsword      I'm just glad they at least have an API
17:47 wizzyrea          *nod*
17:48 wizzyrea          other values that might be relevant, community, cooperation
17:54 chris_n           here we are moving toward kuali for our financial, etc. backend
17:54 chris_n           having messed with civicrm a bit
17:55 chris_n           but kuali fits the higher ed paradigm better
17:55 chris_n           civicrm has potential, though as a strictly membership app
18:08 trea              o/
18:08 wizzyrea          \o
18:10 trea              so when a community ticket is marked as "RESOLVED FIXED" which branch is that getting applied to?
18:10 trea              as compared to the "Pushed to Stable/Master" statuses
18:11 trea              perhaps cait will know ;)
18:11 jcamins           trea: whichever the last version listed in the bug is.
18:12 jcamins           trea: and RESOLVED-FIXED means that it's been tested.
18:12 trea              but not applied to a branch?
18:12 trea              or pushed i guess i should say
18:12 cait              huh?
18:12 wizzyrea          I think she means the last testing
18:12 wizzyrea          the post-apply testing
18:12 wizzyrea          "yes, this is fixed"
18:13 wizzyrea          "and it's everywhere it needs to be"
18:13 wizzyrea          s/everywhere/applied everywhere/
18:13 jcamins           trea: no, pushed to whichever relevant branches.
18:13 * jcamins         prefers "he"
18:13 Shane-S           who wrote the /opac-tmpl/prog/en/js/google-jackets.js I am trying to understand what it is doing
18:13 trea              okay so bug 5358:
18:13 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5358 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, keep track of cancelled orders
18:14 trea              means it's pushed to 3.8?
18:14 wizzyrea          right
18:14 trea              and has been tested since it was pushed?
18:14 wizzyrea          yes
18:14 trea              okay
18:14 trea              that makes a certain sense
18:14 magnus_afk        Shane-S: you can see the history of that file here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=history;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/js/google-jackets.js;h=70b1b84337c4c3807cd8e1997a2fda6cd9563004;hb=HEAD
18:14 rangi             trea: it used to mean it had gone out in a release
18:15 rangi             not sure if it still does
18:15 trea              i guess ultimately that's what i need to be able to divine from this rangi
18:15 rangi             the way i do that
18:15 jcamins           rangi: I don't think so. The release manager says "this patch has been pushed. Please test and close."
18:15 jcamins           But Master is only released every six months.
18:15 rangi             cd misc/release_notes/
18:16 rangi             grep "bugnumber" *
18:16 wizzyrea          think of it like bug report -> patch -> signoff -> QA -> master inclusion -> consideration for inclusion in prior releases -> inclusion in prior release -> testing of both -> close bug
18:16 magnus_afk        i think some things are marked resolved fixed shortly after they are pushed, when someone has chekced it works in master
18:16 rangi             chris_n is very good about putting all the bug numbers he has released
18:16 jcamins           magnus_afk: that's what I meant.
18:16 rangi             so you can find if its in a stable release
18:17 nengard           question: what's the table where the authority records and the bib records are matched up together?
18:17 trea              agreed rangi -  i was actually just grepping against his git logs to verify inclusion for whatever version of stable
18:17 nengard           or how are bibs and authorities linked?
18:18 wizzyrea          the release notes are a good place to look for that
18:18 jcamins           nengard: there is no table.
18:18 jcamins           nengard: it's all in MARC.
18:18 jcamins           nengard: consider testing bug 7284 if you want the linking to work.
18:18 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
18:18 nengard           oh okay
18:19 cait              um
18:19 cait              waht is the question abou tthe acq bug?
18:20 jcamins           cait: trea was using it as an example.
18:21 trea              i was?
18:21 trea              oh that
18:21 trea              yea
18:21 trea              we were discussing ticket statuses
18:21 trea              the original question cait was "so when a community ticket is marked as "RESOLVED FIXED" which branch is that getting applied to?"
18:21 cait              aah
18:21 cait              nowadays
18:21 cait              that is hard to tell
18:22 trea              since we need to be able to track bugs that are pushed to stable AND pushed to master
18:23 trea              i'd really love to be able to produce a hitlist that says, "these bugs are fixed in stable, any customers thusly affected can now be upgraded to latest stable."
18:23 jcamins           My rule of thumb is that it's in every version from master back to the version specified on the bug.
18:23 jcamins           trea: release notes?
18:23 wahanui           release notes are in misc/release_notes
18:23 trea              that's one way to skin it
18:23 trea              sure
18:24 trea              but are there release notes for master?
18:24 trea              why would there be - it's not done cooking
18:24 jcamins           trea: if the bug is marked resolved, if it existed in master, it's been fixed.
18:24 trea              so, it seems like grepping directly against the git logs is probably the best bet perhaps
18:24 jcamins           trea: well, yeah, that's what I do, but I was looking for other options for you.
18:24 * chris_n         has a script which will parse the git log for any branch and produce a list of bugs applied there
18:24 wizzyrea          ^^^^
18:24 trea              <3
18:24 trea              i love you
18:25 trea              *crickets*
18:25 wizzyrea          o/*\o HIGHFIVE
18:25 chris_n           its "hidden" in here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=get_bugs.pl;h=82cd3fae1cd74e1eb31191014e6dbbdcd6fe703b;hb=HEAD
18:25 chris_n           you'll have to modify it to taste
18:26 * chris_n         will have to look to see if that is the current rev he is using to produce release notes
18:26 * jcamins         heads out to run errands and stuff.
18:26 jcamins           Homeowner-y errands!
18:27 chris_n           be aware that greping bug numbers from commit messages is an art and not a science
18:27 chris_n           since the commit messages are human generated
18:27 Shane-S           http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/js/google-jackets.js;h=70b1b84337c4c3807cd8e1997a2fda6cd9563004;hb=HEAD   I don't understand why line 58-63 are not in the source code, where is that code "appended" (I don't know JS much)
18:28 wizzyrea          stupid humans
18:28 wizzyrea          ;)
18:28 wizzyrea          er, inconsistent humans!~
18:28 Shane-S           source code of the Html i should say
18:28 chris_n           lol
18:29 chris_n           so that looks to be a current version of what I use for release notes trae
18:29 chris_n           trea rather
18:29 trea              right o
18:29 chris_n           you could easily hack it up to produce a simple list of bugs contained in branch foo
18:41 rangi             http://medialinepakistan.com/25977.htm
18:43 oleonard          Neat
18:44 Shane-S           can I submit proposed changes to somewhere without git? I don't know enough of the code to really make code changes, just suggestions
18:45 Shane-S           so like I notice there is no unique class that is consistent for images, I would assume this can be changed in the JS...but I don't understand the JS so I can't make code changes
18:46 Shane-S           reason being, when an image is not working, I have to view the HTML source to tell if it is Amazon, Google, OpenLibrary, etc. I would like to customize each to have a background image and specific height (maybe border color too) so I and user can know where the cover is from
18:47 Shane-S           Then concern 2 is the Google "No Image Available" has its own element level styling, which is not good, that should be in the main CSS so a user can over-ride it with the document level CSS from the admin screen
18:49 oleonard          Shane-S: If you can't bring yourself to use git, perhaps you can investigate ways to create patches some other way?
18:50 Shane-S           oleonard: I would use git...if I had a spare system to try and mess with it, but then my coding skills suck...I can't make sense of that JS file very well
18:50 Shane-S           so, aside from what comes through in the HTML I am at a loss
18:53 oleonard          So perhaps you can investigate ways to create patches some other way?
18:54 oleonard          for instance, the Windows program WinMerge can create a patch based on two different version of a file. That might go some way towards making it easier for someone to test your changes
18:56 Shane-S           oleonard: I guess what I am saying is I don't know "where" to make the correct changes, I am taking guesses based on my VERY limited knowledge of JS, I basically know HTML/CSS (some PHP/MYSQL), JS I can fumble through basics.
18:56 oleonard          Ah, well then at this point maybe the best you can do is file a bug with suggested changes
18:58 wizzyrea          ^^
18:58 wizzyrea          bugzilla?
18:58 wahanui           somebody said bugzilla was found at http://bugs.koha-community.org
19:00 Shane-S           I am pretty sure it is line 58 in the JS file should be moved to the CSS main file to allow a user over-ride, what stops me..is that no where do I see that output in the HTML (assuming in memory as it is a JS file). I will add a bug, but wish I wasn't adding to someone else's job
19:01 Shane-S           ie ... I wanna fix it, but it like a junior pilot asking to fly an spaceship....just not a smart idea :P
19:01 Shane-S           I will have to see if I can get a VM setup at home and try and use git and play
19:10 wizzyrea          meh, lol, we were all junior pilots once.
19:10 wizzyrea          version control using git?
19:10 wahanui           version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
19:10 wizzyrea          for you, Shane-S
19:13 * sekjal          just lost a good hour of his life to IE
19:15 oleonard          What kind of requirements are you working under sekjal?
19:16 sekjal            librarian here was trying to embed a flash object in a page,and it won't load in IE
19:16 sekjal            traced it out to a problem with the way IE handles the <object> tag
19:16 oleonard          IE + Flash, double trouble
19:16 sekjal            yet, oddly enough, if it's 64-bit IE9, the problem goes away.  32-bit IE9 fails
19:17 sekjal            the answer, in the end, is not to use this Flash object
19:17 sekjal            since in the end, it's just a link
19:17 oleonard          64-bit IE9, for when you want to surf the web in a *powerfully* bad browser
19:17 sekjal            literally, there is no media in the object, it just contains a link to another page
19:19 wizzyrea          @quote add oleonard: 64-bit IE9, for when you want to surf the web in a *powerfully* bad browser.
19:19 huginn            wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
19:19 sekjal            @quote add oleonard: 64-bit IE9, for when you want to surf the web in a *powerfully* bad browser.
19:19 huginn            sekjal: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
19:19 wizzyrea          @quote get 23
19:19 sekjal            I thought I *was*....
19:19 huginn            wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
19:20 moodaepo          bag: Just read the scroll back and your dog's name is Aloo? That is hilarious && awesome!
19:20 wizzyrea          hmmm huginn isn't answering
19:21 sekjal            wizzyrea:  huginn knows what you're trying to do, and will have none of it
19:21 wizzyrea          he likes IE
19:21 * wizzyrea        glares at huginn.
19:22 sekjal            perhaps that case sensitive string is on a black-list
19:22 wizzyrea          sekjal: can you register with him? I can't get him to answer at all.
19:22 wizzyrea          ping gmcharlt - I think huginn has had a stroke
19:24 sekjal            @quote add oleonard: 64-bit IE9, for when you want to surf the web in a *powerfully* bad browser.
19:24 huginn            sekjal: The operation succeeded.  Quote #188 added.
19:24 sekjal            yup, I can haz registration
19:24 wizzyrea          awesome :)
19:25 Shane-S           Bug 7594
19:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Google Cover CSS suggestions
19:25 Shane-S           Explained as best I could
19:27 cait              Shane-S++
19:28 Shane-S           what does that do?
19:28 cait              giving you good karma
19:28 cait              for filing your first bug :)
19:28 oleonard          @karma Shane-S
19:28 huginn            oleonard: Karma for "Shane-S" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
19:29 cait              @karma
19:29 huginn            cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (516), "oleonard" (443), and "wizzyrea" (301).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-73), and "-" (-43).  You (cait) are ranked 6 out of 1970.
19:29 Shane-S           lol thanks :) , question I see the highlighting JS, but again weak with it, when does highlighting occur for the OPAC search?
19:29 oleonard          What do you mean by when?
19:30 cait              I think on loading the page probably?
19:30 wizzyrea          it's CSS isn't it?
19:30 Shane-S           well when I hover, no-highlighting, what makes it happen
19:30 cait              wizzyrea: js mostly I think
19:30 wizzyrea          wait, which highlighting
19:30 cait              your search terms in the search
19:30 cait              it looks for htat
19:30 cait              and hightlights them (makes them stand out) on the search results
19:31 cait              it's not like marking text manually, automatic highlighting the words from the search
19:31 Shane-S           ah, okay, I thought it highlighed the row
19:31 Shane-S           as I want to play with making the results (not details ...yet) page tableless and CSS based
19:32 Shane-S           and someone mentioned (think it was oleonard ) that the JS might be an issue
19:32 Shane-S           it is isn't doing the row, then hopefully it shouldn't break it..I have to see if I can read it better
19:33 oleonard          Shane-S: Doesn't sound to me like JS would be an issue for that.
19:34 Shane-S           okay I will play with it, I have it semi-mapped out, I just have to mess with the CSS ideas next :P
19:35 Shane-S           might allow for a simple right/left switch of the images just via float:right/left
19:36 Shane-S           if my evil CSS plan works anyway :D
19:36 wizzyrea          :)
20:13 rangi             ok, off to take the kids to the carnival
20:13 rangi             bbl
20:13 wizzyrea          have fun :)
20:13 cait              have fun :)
20:13 jcamins_away      Enjoy.
20:13 cait              wizzyrea++ you know what for
20:13 * cait            bounces
20:13 wizzyrea          I do?
20:14 wizzyrea          OH
20:14 wizzyrea          LOL
20:14 wizzyrea          yes.
20:14 wizzyrea          you're welcome.
20:14 * jcamins_away    doesn't know.
20:15 chris_n           maybe because your supposed to be away ;-)
20:16 oleonard          Hm, git-bz didn't like that patch
20:16 chris_n           why do I think "git bug-zapper" when I see git-bz?
20:16 wizzyrea          yea I thought you were supposed to be doing homeowner things.
20:17 wizzyrea          which patch?
20:17 wahanui           which patch are we talking about?
20:17 chris_n           the one with pink and purple polka-dots
20:18 oleonard          Ah, because my patch is 15MB :D That'll teach me to try to move js and css directories around.
20:18 wizzyrea          ohh yea
20:18 wizzyrea          bz doesn't like big ones like that
20:18 oleonard          I think it's Bugzilla that is doing the complaining actually.
20:18 wizzyrea          that's what I meant
20:18 * oleonard        got Bugzilla HTML spat back at him
20:19 jcamins_away      I am on the bus.
20:20 cait              jcamins_away: nap? :)
20:24 jcamins_away      There's an irate rider on this bus. Like, dangerously irate.
20:24 wizzyrea          :(
20:24 wizzyrea          get off?
20:24 wizzyrea          probably not practical
20:24 jcamins_away      Express bus.
20:24 wizzyrea          oof
20:26 jcamins_away      And a commuter bus, so there won't be another for a while.
20:26 wizzyrea          yikes.
20:27 jcamins_away      I should have taken the other bus.
20:27 oleonard          If someone wants to grab it from Gitorious a fresh attempt at Bug 4048 is available for testing
20:27 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
20:28 jcamins_away      Thank goodness. He stormed off.
20:34 sekjal            cait++
20:35 cait              huh?
20:37 sekjal            for bug 7576
20:37 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn
20:37 cait              rangi helped :)
20:37 sekjal            rangi++, too
20:38 sekjal            and magnuse++ for signoff
20:38 cait              yep
20:38 cait              magnuse++ and rangi++
20:39 cait              so do I pass qa? :)
20:39 cait              oh i do! yay!
20:40 jcamins_away      cait++
20:50 chris_n           HP's sales reps stink
20:50 * wizzyrea        revises
20:50 wizzyrea          sales reps stink.
20:58 oleonard          Seriously, non-English-speaking Koha users, you guys should be complaining more :P
20:58 cait              ll
20:58 cait              lol
20:58 cait              it got a lot better
20:58 cait              why should we be complaining this time?
20:59 oleonard          English in JavaScript
20:59 oleonard          If Koha were speaking a foreign language to American librarians they would be howling about it
20:59 cait              yeah
20:59 wizzyrea          ^^
21:00 cait              :)
21:01 cait              I always amazed at the libraries
21:01 cait              they hardly complain about anything - not even real stupid typos
21:02 wizzyrea          you know why that is
21:02 wizzyrea          because they've never felt that they can change the software
21:02 wizzyrea          the software is how it is, and there's nothing they can do
21:02 cait              hm
21:03 wizzyrea          i.e. it's a big black box
21:03 cait              in a sad way
21:03 cait              that makes sense
21:03 wizzyrea          of course it drives us nuts because we can fix it
21:03 wizzyrea          :)
21:04 wizzyrea          (my librarians are pretty awesome... they point stuff like that out when they see it)
21:04 wizzyrea          (because they know they can change it, because I act for them)
21:04 cait              hm
21:05 wizzyrea          (and then show them that it has been done, by update or whatever)
21:05 cait              yeah, perhaps we will get there :)
21:05 cait              perhaps takes a while
21:05 wizzyrea          i.e. "here are the things relevant to you that were fixed by this update"
21:05 wizzyrea          it does
21:05 wizzyrea          librarians aren't used to their ILS being responsive
21:06 cait              wizzyrea++
21:06 wizzyrea          "I wish it did..." "hey, it does... now"
21:06 wizzyrea          not "i wish it did..." <wait a long time> "I wish it did..."
21:07 cait              :)
21:07 wizzyrea          cait++ for many things unacknowledged
21:17 cait              hi talljoy
21:17 talljoy           hi cait!
21:17 cait              :)
21:17 talljoy           i'm bouncing all over today.
21:18 oleonard          jcamins_away: Away?
21:35 oleonard          Bye #koha
21:35 wizzyrea          later!
21:39 sekjal            interesting... I wonder where they pull in their stats... http://www.webstatsdomain.com/domains/koha-community.org/
21:39 sekjal            compare to to http://www.webstatsdomain.com/domains/koha.org/
21:42 wizzyrea          hmmmm
21:44 sekjal            alrighty, time for weekendery.  night, #koha
21:44 wizzyrea          later ;)
21:59 aarkerio          hi! if I get " utf8 \xC3 does not map to Unicode " when I am using bulkmarcimport.pl
22:00 aarkerio          still the record is saved in the database?
22:04 wizzyrea          whoa, no clue.
22:04 wizzyrea          and it's friday, only us US mid-and-westerners left
22:06 jcamins_away      aarkerio: you have a MARC-8 encoded record.
22:06 wizzyrea          and... jcamins, apparently ;)
22:07 jcamins_away      _away!
22:07 jcamins_away      :)
22:07 aarkerio          I created the records my $record = MARC::Record->new();
22:08 jcamins_away      aarkerio: the encoding was apparently MARC-8.
22:09 aarkerio          I will add: $record->encoding( 'UTF-8' );
22:09 aarkerio          and rerun my script
22:09 aarkerio          thx!
22:11 jcamins_away      aarkerio: or just import as MARC-8.
22:11 jcamins_away      aarkerio: wait, you're using bulkmarcimport. Never mind.
22:13 cait              night all
22:13 wizzyrea          good night
22:14 jcamins_away      Good night.