Time Nick Message 00:21 Space_Librarian mmm.... chocolate truffles 00:22 jcamins Fudge. :) 00:22 Space_Librarian Yeah. But, in a pinch... 00:22 jcamins Chocolate truffles are good too. 00:22 jcamins I was just enjoying the fudge, since I don't have truffles. 00:23 bag bug 7144 00:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Floating collection 00:26 Space_Librarian jcamins I'll have a truffle for you, you have some fudge for me. 00:26 jcamins Space_Librarian: sounds good. :) 00:26 Space_Librarian deal 00:30 Space_Librarian Oh yes, this is quite funny... until it's taken down. http://nowhiring.com.au/424936+job+Prime+Minister+of+Australia+ACT.aspx 00:44 troublemaker hey guys 00:44 troublemaker sup 00:44 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6467114/Heavy-rains-wind-pound-country <-- Space_Librarian, the second photo 00:45 troublemaker is there anyway to modify the size of the login form in koha, (staff interface) 00:45 troublemaker ? 00:45 eythian troublemaker: you might be able to add some css rules to do it. 00:45 troublemaker okidoks 00:45 troublemaker where i should edit those? 00:45 troublemaker whats the path man 00:46 troublemaker im trying to edit this login box http://universidadinsurgentesdemo.bibliomethods.com:666/ 00:46 troublemaker i need to see the full image... 00:46 eythian troublemaker: you can change stuff like that in the "staff client" sysprefs. 00:47 eythian Lets you add all kinds of bits of styling 00:47 eythian and js etc. 00:47 jcamins oleonard's blog? 00:47 wahanui oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha 00:47 jcamins troublemaker: take a look at that. 01:02 Space_Librarian eythian: I miss the days of the Leith flooding the Arts building. 01:02 eythian heh yeah 01:06 troublemaker yeahhh 01:07 troublemaker thanx for your helo again got it! :) 01:07 troublemaker help* 01:24 eythian cool 02:03 Penggu thanks all for help, and for saving me from liblime 02:04 Space_Librarian Another one saved. Awesome. :D 02:26 troublemaker yeah this blog is amazing 02:26 troublemaker im editing my opac. im newbie to koha, i installed on last debian server 02:26 troublemaker http://universidadinsurgentesdemo.bibliomethods.com/ 02:30 eythian that certainly is one gigantic logo 02:31 jcamins There don't seem to be any records in the catalog. 02:32 Space_Librarian O.o 02:33 troublemaker ahhaa 03:22 * jcamins waves to wizzyrea. 03:22 wizzyrea hey 03:25 jcamins How's it going? 03:30 Amit_Gupta heya bag 03:30 Amit_Gupta how r u 03:50 bag heya Amit_Gupta 04:06 Space_Librarian Whew. That was a hard sell 04:07 jcamins Space_Librarian: ? 04:08 Space_Librarian Have a library thinking about Koha, on DB Textworks, they came to visit 04:08 jcamins Ah. 04:08 Space_Librarian And are scared of MARC, and do a great deal of article cataloguing 04:09 * jcamins dealt with a library like that. 04:10 Space_Librarian I came into a library like that. 04:10 Space_Librarian 3 weeks ago. 04:11 Space_Librarian It's interesting to deal with. 04:15 Space_Librarian And now, I need to go be zombie-like for a while. Good night/morning all. See you on the other side. 04:15 rangi I think we need profiles when installing 04:16 jcamins rangi: That seems like a good idea. 04:17 rangi So hide all the marc we can simple frameworks etc 04:18 eythian Make a bunch of really easy to import frameworks for things. 04:18 rangi Yup 04:30 wizzyrea i'm still working on my little developer data package 04:30 * druthb sits down next to wizzyrea. 04:30 rangi Ohhh sweet 04:30 rangi Hey druthb 04:30 druthb hi, rangi. 04:37 druthb hey, rangi, I've got a question... a couple of people have suggested that the migration toolbox I've been curating oughta be hosted on git.koha-community.org... No big deal to *me* where it's hosted...but what do you think? 04:37 druthb It's still pretty messy, but one of my goals for this year is to tidy things up a bunchabuncha. 04:37 rangi Can't hurt 04:38 rangi It could go in the newly made contribs repo 04:39 druthb whom do I kiss to get my ssh key registered? 04:40 rangi Probably Galen is easiest 04:40 eythian we should put a gitorious setup on there some time 04:40 * druthb wiggles her eyebrows. 04:41 druthb Okay, I'll talk to him about it next time I see 'im. Probably wont dump the whole unorganized mess in there, just the really solid-gold stuff, as I get it tidied up. 04:42 rangi It's gitolite which is cool I just forgot how to do it 04:44 druthb I've been tinkering for about the last two months on a very-generic biblio masher and patron masher script. The biblio one has been used against several different ILSes so far--uhm...III, Symphony, Voyager, Horizon, Athena, Infocentre, couple of others, I think. Patron is in less use, but it's coming along nicely. 04:44 druthb It's all done with command-line params, like eythian's csvtomarc script. :) 04:44 rangi Excellent 04:47 druthb My Symphony migration kit is just about to the "solid gold" state now. No more surprises. 04:48 wizzyrea a community gitorious would be oso cool 04:59 rangi Yup 05:06 Amit_Gupta heya ranig 05:19 cait good morning #koha 05:20 eythian hi cait 05:20 cait hi eythian :) 05:36 eythian wahanui: linux mint is where they make all the linux money 05:36 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, eythian 05:36 eythian wahanui: linux mint is \where they make all the linux money 05:36 wahanui OK, eythian. 05:36 eythian wahanui: linux mint 05:36 wahanui hmmm... linux mint is where they make all the linux money 05:37 cait germs? 05:37 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 05:37 cait :) 05:37 cait eythian: why are you still here? 05:37 eythian cait: don't ask. It'll become a rant. 05:38 * wizzyrea frowns 05:38 cait if it helps, rant :) 05:38 cait wizzyrea: shouldn't you be sleeping? 05:38 * jcamins observes that this has not been a great day for a lot of people. :( 05:38 wizzyrea technically yes 05:38 * wizzyrea observes the same 05:38 * jcamins too 05:39 eythian It won't be constructive. I've been once again sucked onto another project for two weeks. 05:39 eythian (not a koha project, that'd be fun at least) 05:40 wizzyrea blurg. 05:42 cait eew 05:42 cait away from wellington again too? 05:42 eythian [off] yeah. It's causing our Koha team some issues keeping up with stuff we need to do. 05:42 eythian yep. Next week in Auckland again. 05:43 cait double eew 05:47 wizzyrea arg. 05:50 cait hm 05:51 * cait tries to find out how to pick all issns from a marc record 05:51 wizzyrea report library? 05:51 wahanui i guess report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library 05:54 cait wizzyrea: nope, using perl :) 05:54 cait reports were to easy :P 05:54 cait bug 7576 05:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn 06:05 Amit_Gupta heya cait 06:05 cait hi Amit_Gupta 06:13 jcamins Good night/morning, #koha. 06:35 cait night jcamins_away 06:53 cait hi magnus_afk :) 07:27 alex_a bonjour ! 07:46 magnuse kia ora #koha cait mbalmer alex_a 07:50 reiveune hello 07:50 wahanui salut, reiveune 08:07 gaetan_B hello! 08:08 Amit_Gupta heya gaetan_B 09:00 magnuse that's just wizzyrea sleep-irc'ing, right? 09:08 paul_p good morning magnuse 09:08 paul_p (& others) 09:08 magnuse kia ora paul_p 09:09 magnuse wow, google and baidu sure love koha... 09:17 kf morning paul_p and magnuse 09:18 magnuse so far in february: baidu = 215161 hits, google = 169407 hits - on a catalogue with ~13k records 09:19 magnuse have fun, kf_mtg :-) 09:24 kf_mtg second meeting today 09:31 magnuse ooh, nice 09:31 magnuse @wunder boo 09:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (10:20 AM CET on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady). 09:31 magnuse @wunder marseille 09:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 6.0°C (10:00 AM CET on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling). 09:33 kf_mtg @wunder Konstanz 09:33 huginn kf_mtg: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.8°C (10:29 AM CET on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029.3 hPa (Rising). 10:31 * paul_p doing a migration from 2.2 to 3.6 today ... 10:32 paul_p oldies but goodies ;-) 11:15 * magnuse wishes paul_p good luck 11:15 magnuse paul_p: are you actually migrating the database, or pulling out data and importing them in 3.6 as if they were from another system? 11:16 paul_p magnuse migrating, with http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2 11:16 * magnuse wishes paul_p good luck ;-) 11:17 magnuse (tried it once but chose the other route quickly...) 11:23 magnuse gah, what happened to æøå in the .po files? the files i have uploaded look ok 11:27 kf_mtg fredericd: around? 11:28 kf_mtg magnuse: that sounds like I should worry? 11:28 magnuse kf_mtg: don't worry, be happy 11:29 magnuse there's lots of norwegian words showing as fuzzy, cause the original string has weird characters, but the old translation is still good 11:29 kf_mtg hm ok 11:29 kf_mtg but that's backwards 11:29 kf_mtg because we had that fixed 11:30 kf_mtg and it will not only be norwegian I guess.... 11:30 magnuse hm, i'm only seing the norwegian ones 11:30 kf_mtg shoudl we have a file named lateorders-excel? 11:30 kf_mtg I find that troubling 11:30 kf_mtg kind of 11:30 magnuse sounds like something more generic would be better 11:31 kf_mtg yeah 11:31 kf_mtg perhaps lateorders-csv 11:31 kf_mtg or lateorders-export? 11:33 magnuse looks better 11:59 slef morning all 12:00 kf_mtg morning slef 12:01 slef I'm bored with this cold. 12:01 slef How's everyone else? 12:09 magnuse slef: grateful not to have a cold... 12:09 kf_mtg I agree with magnuse 12:09 kf_mtg slef: hope you get better soon 12:10 slef kf_mtg: I think this one was imported from Germany, so it may be near you soon. 12:10 slef thanks and me too :) 12:10 magnuse germs? 12:10 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 12:12 kf eek 12:12 kf hope not! 12:12 mbalmer hello 12:12 kf magnuse: no, that's not a proof of eythian's theory! 12:12 kf hi mbalmer 12:12 mbalmer thursday = swiss koha day ;) 12:13 magnuse kf: :-) 12:13 mbalmer today I upgrade our koha server from a pentium 4 3 Ghz 768 MB RAM to a dual core Xeon 2.4 GHz with at least 1 GB RAM. should be a bit faster, I hope 12:16 kf more ram is probably good 12:16 * kf looks around for fredericd again 12:25 kf ok 12:37 kf bbl 12:46 * magnuse too 12:55 * chris_n three 13:08 oleonard Hi #koha 13:17 jcamins_away kf: whoops, the misnamed table is definitely a bug. 13:17 jcamins_away I will fix it when I can (though it probably won't be for a bit). 13:26 marcelr hi oleonard; thx for testing, submitted some adjustments some mins ago 13:26 marcelr for 7310 13:29 oleonard Thanks marcelr, I'll have time later today to test again 13:29 oleonard I appreciate your work on it, it's a much-needed update 13:29 marcelr i also put another note on a followup on wiki 13:32 magnus_afk bug 7310 13:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) 13:43 kf back 13:43 kf :) 13:44 kf jcamins_away: remind me to file a bug? or file one? 13:45 jcamins_away @later tell cait Please file a bug for the image table names. 13:45 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. 13:45 jcamins_away Done. :) 13:46 * oleonard will be back later 13:53 tcohen hi #koha 13:53 marcelr hi tcohen 13:53 tcohen i've been away from koha working on an alfresco implementation 13:53 tcohen but looking forward to be back soon 13:54 * jcamins_away waves to tcohen, marcelr, and schuster 13:54 marcelr hi jcamins away.. 13:55 kf hi marcelr 13:55 kf probably going to regret the question - but any opinions about the filename in bug 7298? 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7298 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , export late orders, with # of claims and claim dates 14:31 schuster does anyone else in their Koha database have a table called browser? I see that on my "testing" system and it is empty just curious. 14:31 marcelr kf: will look at it later; please send me mail 14:31 marcelr bye koha 14:33 magnuse schuster: yeah, i have same thing, an empty table called browser 14:35 magnuse (on current master) 14:40 kf schuster: I think it's related to an older feature to make classifications browsable 14:40 kf schuster: but I might be wrong :) 14:41 * wizzyrea waves 14:42 schuster Just thought it was strange so when I went to look at it and there wasn't anything there just curious. 14:42 schuster schuster smiles :) 14:42 * kf waves at wizzyrea 14:42 collsk12 Good morning all! Quick question: I am looking to set up notices at several elementary and secondary schools. I have set up all of the students with their homeroom teacher's email as their primary email. Is there any way to send one notice to each teacher for all of their students? 14:42 * magnuse waves too 14:43 kf collsk12: I don't think you can 14:44 chris_n so what would cause the marc editor to not permit adding chars 7-10 in 008? 14:44 chris_n I can add 6 or edit any of the autogenerated chars 14:44 collsk12 Is there any special functionality to the guarantors that I should be looking at? 14:44 chris_n thursday weirdness perhaps? 14:45 chris_n I can create the entire field in a line editor and paste it in, however 14:47 jcamins_away chris_n: are you using the plugin or trying to enter directly? 14:48 schuster collsk12 - in Plano (67) schools we load the homeroom "description" into the Address field of the borrower record so it shows under the students picture. We also load the "code" into extended attributes so we can pull up a list of everyone from that homeroom with overdues. 14:49 schuster Unfortunately there isn't great overdue reporting how schools would want to do it yet... Pondering it though... 14:49 kf schuster: I think you could perhaps use sql reports 14:50 kf and export those ... run some program to make letters 14:51 schuster That's what we do now but it is a little cumbersome with mailmerge etc... so I'm pondering a way to do it through some template magic. 14:52 kf I think perhaps using the guarantor functionality 14:52 kf and some way to say that for 'child' records you want a notice for the 'parent' 14:53 collsk12 schuster: I did a similar thing over here with extended attributes. I created an HR code for homerooms. It really helps with reporting, but not so much for notices. 14:53 collsk12 kf: That's exactly what I was thinking. 14:53 schuster That might work, unfortunately we don't have emails in Koha "yet" for our teachers or students. I'm also a little hesitant right now to attach emails to teachers and send overdues out as there isn't a "clean" way to set end of year duedates throughout the year ... 14:54 jcamins_away schuster: hard due date? 14:54 kf yes 14:54 kf there is a clean way 14:54 schuster Librarians would be flooded with upset teachers about the curriculum items they have checked out. 14:54 kf schuster: I think there is a lot of functionality to do what you want 14:54 jcamins_away schuster: that's completely doable. 14:55 jcamins_away schuster: you're going to like being on Koha. :) 14:55 kf have you checked the circulation rules for 3.6? :) 14:55 kf new functionality 14:56 schuster yes and that is part of why I am trying to get an upgrade and move back to community... Sorry I'll go back and sit in my corner. 14:57 jcamins schuster: no problem. We like being able to brag to people about how much Koha has improved in the last year. 14:57 kf jcamins: meany ;) 14:58 jcamins kf: it's true! 14:59 kf yes, koha is absoutely great:) 14:59 chris_n jcamins: direct entry after the plug-in has auto generated the field 14:59 chris_n while creating a new record from scratch 15:01 jcamins chris_n: and you backspaced the spaces that are in there before trying to change it? 15:01 schuster jcamins - discovered I ran the linker in "test" mode but here is the output at the end of the file - runtime 889536 ms, checked 27524 bibs, modified 0, errors 13985, linked 2223, unlinked 63634, fuzzy 0 15:01 jcamins schuster: right, that part of the test was to confirm that nothing was modified. 15:01 chris_n jcamins: let me ask :-) 15:02 jcamins schuster: I erred on the side of "good grief why are you testing that too?!?" 15:02 jcamins ;) 15:02 schuster I think the 13985 are the bibs I loaded with the batch load tool... Wonders why it doesn't like them...?? Thoughts? they are searchable. 15:03 jcamins schuster: Could you e-mail me one? 15:03 jcamins [off] jcamins@cpbibliography.com 15:03 schuster eyp 15:04 jcamins I was ultra-conservative with error handling. 15:06 jcamins schuster: thanks. Taking a look. 15:06 chris_n jcamins++ 15:07 schuster should I remove the test and run again? I can understand the conservative part since that is the data we depend on! 15:07 Shane-S anyone ever migrated from the ancient Follett Circ/Cat system? 15:07 Shane-S I found docs saying to use MarcEdit to more 852 to 952 records 15:07 schuster wizzyrea's office! possibly someone from MassCat... 15:08 schuster Shane-S that can be done - we use MarcEdit quite a bit actually in our office to modify records. 15:08 jcamins schuster: let me check what the story is with that record, and then you can continue the testing regimen. 15:08 chris_n seems that koha's autogenerated 008 field should have an 'b' in 06 by default rather than a 't' since no date is provided by default 15:09 mbalmer is there an OpenGrok for Koah somewehre? 15:09 chris_n that way if one failed to enter a date, 008 would still be correct 15:09 jcamins chris_n: I have often thought that. 15:09 mbalmer aka sth like nxr.netbsd.org, but not for the NetBSD sourcs, but the Koha sources? 15:09 chris_n jcamins: I'll open a bug and fix it then 15:10 schuster seconds the 008 discussion. 15:10 jcamins Hrm. No problem with that record for me. 15:11 jcamins schuster: how many records do you have in your database? 15:11 jcamins (the test database) 15:12 schuster 27524 bibs 15:12 jcamins Okay. 15:12 jcamins It worked properly. 15:12 schuster some I loaded and then the "default test" batch. 15:13 jcamins Yeah, so those errors are due to stale data. 15:13 schuster ok we'll see what happens! 15:13 jcamins :) 15:13 jcamins You'll get the same number of "errors" every time you run it. 15:14 jcamins Well, every time you run it on the whole database. 15:14 jcamins But it's harmless. 15:14 schuster K just moving along with my testing... 15:14 jcamins Probably a bulkmarcimport run failed, and rather than silently ignoring the bibs that weren't actually loaded, the linker tells you. 15:14 jcamins :) 15:15 collsk12 Has anyone migrated from Winnebago/Spectrum? 15:15 wizzyrea we have done that, or had it done for us. 15:16 collsk12 wizzyrea: Do you konw if there were any problems with the barcodes? 15:16 wizzyrea oh yes 15:16 wizzyrea lots 15:16 collsk12 LOL! 15:16 wizzyrea checksums, iirc 15:16 wizzyrea or checkdigits 15:16 wizzyrea i mean 15:16 jcamins Ooh, Winnebago/Spectrum is the one that has its own barcode scheme that allows for duplicate barcodes, isn't it? 15:16 wizzyrea i think that's right yea 15:17 kf how horrible 15:17 collsk12 I just can't figure out what the checkdigit is. It looks like an arbitrary code 39,mod 10 situation. 15:17 * jcamins uses that ILS for scary campfire stories. :) 15:17 collsk12 jcamins: LOL!! 15:18 collsk12 I'll probably end up loading a database with the original, code 39, and mod 10 variations and inventorying the system against that table. Good times! 15:20 bshum collsk12: Spectrum was one of our first libs migrated and it turned out their 14 digit barcodes had their first digit lopped off and the check digit calculated on the fly. Which was fun for the "legitimate" 12 digit barcodes floating throughout their collection too. 15:21 bshum Course our lib was probably just weird, hope you have better luck. 15:22 collsk12 bshum: Thanks! So I might need some more columns on that table, eh? 15:22 * jcamins watches collsk12 run screaming off into the sunset. 15:22 schuster scan a barcode into notepad and see what really comes up and then try and figure out if you can manipulate the data to match before it goes into Koha. 15:22 collsk12 jcamins: Uh huh... 15:23 bshum collsk12: Potentially, if you find out that the lib wasn't consistently saving barcode components, or were doing so with different sized barcodes (our lib ended up with 5+ barcode variations, and we never got them figured out) 15:23 schuster ooo hears rebarcode ... 15:24 collsk12 For our situation, it looks like the last digit is the wildcard. They were "pretty" consistent with the 14-digit type, but there are a few 6-digit barcodes I have to find. 15:25 schuster Then there is always the "I'm bringing 6 libraries together" did they all have unique barcodes? 15:25 collsk12 We had a similar 5+ barcode variation issue at our high school and middle school libraries, but luckily we were able to hack the Follett database to give us the conversion table. 15:25 Shane-S just some quick marc questions (I do IT not Library stuff fyi) =LDR ... is that a new biblio record? 15:25 * jcamins pictures collsk12 holding a machete and standing over a pile of MARC tags. 15:25 jcamins Shane-S: basically. 15:25 jcamins That's the "Leader" 15:25 jcamins @marc leader 15:25 huginn jcamins: unknown tag leader 15:25 jcamins @marc ldr 15:26 huginn jcamins: unknown tag ldr 15:26 jcamins @marc 000 15:26 huginn jcamins: unknown tag 000 15:26 jcamins Oh, for crying out loud... 15:26 Shane-S bot = fail 15:26 schuster Likes the image of collsk12 over a follett system with the machete... 15:26 collsk12 schuster: Same barcodes, we are running separate instances for each library, until we can rebarcode. Which might be sooner than I thought :/ 15:26 jcamins marc21? 15:26 wahanui marc21 is probably at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html 15:26 jcamins Shane-S: see the first link. 15:26 schuster @marc LDR 15:26 huginn schuster: unknown tag LDR 15:27 Shane-S I tax it $* where * = letters are subsets in the series? 15:27 Shane-S tax/take 15:27 collsk12 The LDR tells you about the following details of the marc record 15:27 collsk12 I've used MARCEdit to delete these fields and rebuild them. 15:27 Shane-S okay, I am just editing the record in MarcEditor and trying to make sense of what I see 15:28 jcamins $[a-z0-9] are subfield markers. 15:28 schuster Shane-S - $ is the delimiter indicating a new "subfield" within the TAG (numbered line) 15:28 schuster Library cataloging jargon 101... 15:29 schuster ok back to testing!! 15:30 jcamins schuster++ 15:31 Shane-S I read on a page for converting follett to koha the 852 record needs to become 952, and that seems true, but there two @ in 852$x it looks like this (typing manually, as I am on a Mac, not the windows system running MarcEdit) 15:31 chris_n low-hanging fruit alert: bug 7585 15:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7585 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Correct MARC 008 Value Builder Char 06 Default 15:31 Shane-S $xFSC@aR@c20031029 15:32 Shane-S That looks like it needs to be broken up 15:32 Shane-S obviously the c is copyright 15:32 schuster or purchase or? 15:32 Shane-S any idea what values should replace the @ or is it just duplicated $x fields? 15:33 schuster Since that would be item specific information... Depends on how Follett used that data. 15:33 collsk12 Shane-S: See http://legacyhelp.fsc.follett.com/content/library/cataloging/import_and_export/importing_holdings_information.htm 15:33 schuster oh... collsk12 beat me too it! 15:33 collsk12 @aR is a "Regular" circulation type, @c is the acquisition date 15:34 huginn collsk12: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 15:34 Shane-S collsk12: Thanks, I never would have guess that...now to learn how to use MARCEditor 15:35 collsk12 Shane-S: Learning experience for me as well :) 15:35 * jcamins curses real estate. 15:37 mveron Hi #koha 15:37 mveron We stumbled over a problem with search + languages in the Opac. 15:37 * mveron 'We' = 4 developers and librarians exploring Koha in weekly sessions 15:38 mveron The dropdown "Languages" does not work. For example, if German is selected I do not get the expected results. 15:38 * mbalmer greets mveron 15:38 mveron If I enter the language code directly into the keyword field, e.g. "Glauser ger", i get the expected results. 15:38 mveron Is this related to Bug 2559? 15:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ... 15:39 mveron mbalmer: greets 15:40 schuster oooh jcamins sending good vibes... 15:40 schuster MarcEdit - freeware tool... There are youtube videos out there and I use it on a regular basis. 15:42 kf mbalmer: probably related to your data 15:42 kf I am not sure, but one of the controlled fields might be involved here 15:43 kf ah sorry, meant mveron 15:43 kf [off] https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&op=and&idx=kw&limit=ln%2Crtrn%3Aheb&sort_by=relevance&do=Suche 15:43 mveron kf: No problem, mbalmer stands at my desk :-) 15:44 kf i did a search for hebrew and the results look sound to me 15:44 mbalmer kf, no problem, we ar in the same office, we can literally yell at each other ;) 15:44 kf I can't recommend yelling at each other 15:44 moodaepo @marc 001 15:44 huginn moodaepo: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). [] 15:44 schuster is it pulling the language code from the 008? Check the marc record and that tag to see the language selection. 15:45 schuster @marc 008 15:45 huginn schuster: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. [] 15:45 kf schuster: that's what I suspect 15:45 mbalmer kf, we usually don't do that, we work in a nice a constructive athmosphere here 15:45 kf only always confusing 007,008 and LDR :) 15:45 mveron kf: We defined de language in 008 15:45 schuster yes 007 gets in there with more of the AV items and confuses me too. 15:45 kf well 15:45 kf that's wrong 15:45 kf ger 15:45 * jcamins will yell enough for everyone. 15:46 kf see langage code list from loc :) 15:46 mveron kf: We have ger in 008 15:46 kf hmmm 15:46 kf ok, well guess that was too easy then 15:46 kf not sure 15:46 kf and records with ger do not all show up 15:46 kf or wrong results show up? 15:47 schuster so you select language German and do the search with glauser - that record doesn't show up? 15:47 mveron They dont show up if we select "German" in the language drop down. 15:47 jcamins Try the following search: 15:47 jcamins (one moment) 15:47 mveron If we put ger in the field 041 they are found 15:48 jcamins ln:ger 15:48 schuster @marc 041 15:48 huginn schuster: Codes for languages associated with an item when the language code in field 008/35-37 of the record is insufficient to convey full information. This includes records for multilingual items, items that involve translation, and items where the medium of communication is a sign language. The sources of the codes are: MARC Code List for Languages or other code lists such as ISO 639-1 (Codes for the (1 more message) 15:48 jcamins mveron: that was for you. 15:49 vfernandes hi guys 15:49 kf mveron: oh 15:49 kf mveron: well it makes sense... kind of. not sure if I am happy with that though 15:50 mveron with ln:ger we get just a couple of German records, only the 041 ones, not the 008 ones 15:50 vfernandes one little question :) using bulkmarcimport to import is possible to set the biblionumber? my client wants to maintain the ids of the old system so i need to migrate the id in the field 001 right? 15:50 kf mveron: ok, I was wrong then :) not sure it's something that was changed since we started with Koha 15:51 jcamins mveron: I have a theory that you'll have to check since I'm busy. 15:51 kf perhaps it should also take the 008 field into account? 15:51 jcamins mveron: open up etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblio/record.abs 15:51 jcamins Look for the 008 line. 15:51 jcamins You should see ln somewhere on it. 15:51 jcamins I theorize that it's back to a numeric index. 15:51 mveron jcamins: mbalmer takes over 15:52 jcamins It'll look something like ln(xx,yy):n if I'm right. 15:52 jcamins If I'm wrong, there will be a :w instead of :n 15:52 schuster Yes in looking at the bug noted above it does look like it was never fully "resolved" and the language codes are not matching. 15:53 jcamins Time to go. 15:53 mbalmer ijcamins, is that the "melm 008 .." line? 15:53 vfernandes no one can helps me? 15:53 jcamins_away mbalmer: yes. 15:54 schuster vfernandes - why? when we migrated we moved the original bib number to 999 for future reference but let the system assign a new bib number. 15:54 mbalmer lm:n:range(data,35,3) 15:54 kf vfernandes: I think there is a bug for that - I think currently it's not yet possible 15:54 jcamins_away Yeah, that's wrong. 15:54 jcamins_away Needs to be ln:w:range(data,35,3) 15:54 mbalmer ok. 15:54 kf vfernandes: I am sure it's in bugzilla - not sure about the status. and it will only work for numeric values 15:54 vfernandes schuster because the client wants to maintain their id's 15:54 jcamins_away Change it, reindex, see if it fixes it, then submit a patch. 15:54 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right 15:55 vfernandes it's only numeric values 15:55 mbalmer how do I reindex? 15:55 kf vfernandes: I don't think it's a good idea though, there are other ways to store their ids 15:55 jcamins_away mbalmer: rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r [-x] 15:55 jcamins_away Wish me luck! 15:55 jcamins_away And patience. 15:55 jcamins_away Lots of patience. 15:55 schuster Oh sooo much... 15:55 wizzyrea good luck jcamins_away 15:56 jcamins_away Thanks. 15:56 vfernandes it's a demand from the client :/ 15:57 vfernandes if the marcxml as the 001 filled shouldn't be the record number? 15:58 Shane-S so is there a way to make Koha import 852 -> 952 as that seems to be my main import issue, or must I do my replace with MARCedit? 15:59 mbalmer how do I run that revbuild_zebra.pl script? I get tons of error messages 16:00 Shane-S mbalmer use git or packages? 16:00 mbalmer packages 16:00 wahanui package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze 16:01 Shane-S it should run every 5 minutes, but you can do koha-rebuild-zebra <sitenamehere> 16:01 Shane-S I am on Ubuntu so I have to do sudo koha-rebuild-zebra npslibrary 16:02 mbalmer ok, let's see... 16:03 jcamins_away mbalmer: koha-rebuild-zebra --full 16:03 * jcamins_away comes back for a few minutes. 16:04 jcamins_away Shane-S: you'll need to use MarcEdit. 16:04 mbalmer my colleagues are verifying... 16:04 mbalmer seems they find more now 16:04 kf mbalmer: there is documentation on the commands I think 16:04 mbalmer they say it's ok now. 16:04 jcamins_away vfernandes: bug 6113 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6113 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , enhancement to keep previous ids 16:04 jcamins_away mbalmer: okay, so you should submit a bug and patch for that. 16:04 mbalmer so our thursday afternoon session found a bug, nice. 16:05 mbalmer sure 16:05 Shane-S mbalmer: if they need books/changes to appear sooner, have them adjust the cron job's time 16:06 kf Shane-S: different problem here 16:06 kf Shane-S: mbalmer wants to reindex because he changed something in the indexing rules :) 16:06 Shane-S oh :p 16:07 vfernandes thank you jcamins :) 16:08 Shane-S I try to help even if I am a total nub 16:09 Shane-S <-- off to play with MARCedit 16:09 kf Shane-S++ .) 16:09 reiveune à demain 16:09 wizzyrea Shane-S++ we were all nubs once 16:09 wizzyrea bye! 16:09 wizzyrea hey something other than "bye" 16:11 chris_n hi wizzyrea 16:12 wizzyrea heya 16:16 oleonard Anyone ever set up two VirtualBox VMs so that one could access the webserver on the other? 16:16 * jcamins_away has. 16:16 jcamins_away I use two NICs. 16:16 jcamins_away One set to NAT, one set to Host-only. 16:16 oleonard jcamins_away: Did you follow some instructions somewhere? 16:16 jcamins_away druthb does it differently. 16:17 jcamins_away oleonard: no, I think I made it up as I went along. 16:18 jcamins_away It was pretty easy, I think. 16:18 jcamins_away Finally, the seller's lawyer told us who to make the checks out to. 16:19 chris_n sortta hard to buy real-estate w/o knowing who to pay ;-) 16:19 jcamins_away You're telling me! 16:19 kf yay :) 16:19 chris_n @seen sekjal 16:19 huginn chris_n: sekjal was last seen in #koha 6 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <sekjal> okay, folks, I'm out for the night. been a blast. 16:19 kf time to leave :) 16:19 kf bye all 16:19 chris_n bye 16:20 chris_n long night sekjal 16:21 nengard heh 16:25 wizzyrea oh wow speak of the devil :) 16:26 sekjal ... 16:26 wizzyrea :) 16:26 wizzyrea is not a bad thing. 16:26 sekjal morning, #koha 16:28 mveron jcamins: We filed a for the language / search problem: Bug 7586 16:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7586 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Search: Language restriction does show expected results (no items shown) 16:29 mveron jcamins, kf and others: Wow, that was a fast solution! We appreciate! 16:35 mveron I mistaked with the title of bug 7586, does NOT show expected results :-/ 16:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7586 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Search: Language restriction does NOT show expected results (no items shown) 16:35 schuster mveron - well you know what the problem is now to get someone to "fix it"... Looks to be simple, but someone has to take the time... 16:35 schuster sekjal was conjured when called? 16:35 mveron schuster: mbalmer will take care of it 16:36 * mbalmer is mveron's code-slave ;) 16:37 schuster jcamins_away - let me know when you are back in there is a small tweak on LinkerModule 16:37 schuster in 45 and 48 of the test it did the reverse. 16:37 oleonard Oh man I want a code-slave! 16:38 schuster I have a code friend, but he doesn't understand library speak... or Koha. 16:38 mbalmer neither do I (at least the library speak part) 16:38 * mveron mbalmer will get a beer. After coding. 16:41 oleonard Oh man I want a beer after coding! 16:41 * wizzyrea offers to buy oleonard beers 16:41 sekjal try a beer during: http://xkcd.com/323/ 16:42 wizzyrea except I'm in kansas and we have weird laws about beer crossing state lines. 16:42 wizzyrea they did actually prove that creativity was greatest when you are groggy or slightly tipsy. 16:42 wizzyrea that's a scientific fact :P 16:42 wizzyrea which is why you have your best ideas in the shower. 16:43 * oleonard cheers science and selectively doesn't hear the groggy part 16:43 * mbalmer turns beer into code 16:46 mveron mveron: One more question to the language thing: Where can we change the list of languages in teh drop down? 16:46 mveron We need to insert e.g. "Swiss German" and remove other, unused languages 16:48 Shane-S what field does dewy decimal generally go in Koha? 16:48 Shane-S my marc record has 3 field with what looks like a dewy 16:49 wizzyrea wait wait 16:49 wizzyrea that xkcd cites "the Ballmer peak" 16:49 wizzyrea I find this amusing 16:52 mbalmer http://xkcd.com/323/ 16:58 * oleonard thinks he's going to need something stronger than beer after testing in IE today... 17:02 mbalmer see you on the other side.. 17:02 gaetan_B bye #koha! 17:12 oleonard I've attached a preliminary patch to Bug 7584 if anyone is interested in testing. I haven't tested any browsers on Mac, IE7, or IE9 17:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features 17:12 wizzyrea ooo 17:12 wizzyrea oleonard++ 17:12 wizzyrea :D 17:13 oleonard You know me, always looking for ways to break libraries' CSS customizations :P 17:13 wizzyrea hehe 17:14 wizzyrea you'd probably break mine but it would be ok because I imagine yours are prettier than mine :P 17:14 oleonard The update keeps the same look, just updates the underlying CSS and markup 17:15 wizzyrea actually you probably just did what I did in my overrides + new styling. 17:15 wizzyrea or something very similar. 17:15 oleonard Here's the before and after (or after and before?) http://www.screencast.com/t/1jshtzrGk9x 17:15 wizzyrea nice! 17:15 wizzyrea I think the display is even a little nicer with the CSS. 17:16 sekjal now we we could just replace that cart icon with something a little more generic.... a fancy UTF-8 character, perhaps 17:17 oleonard sekjal: With my update the icon and color are both in CSS at least 17:18 sekjal wehoo! oleonard++ 17:18 oleonard IE gets no icon because it lacks support for multiple backgrounds 17:19 wizzyrea bad IE, no icon for you! 17:20 Shane-S oleonard: layer a div or span over it for the background perhaps? 17:21 oleonard Not important enough to me Shane-S. Maybe someone else will demand it, I dunno. 17:21 Shane-S can I see it so I can tell what your talking about? 17:22 oleonard The patch is attached to Bug 7584. The look of the buttons hasn't changed at all though. 17:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Update cart and lists buttons style using CSS3 features 17:23 wizzyrea you could even sign off on that if you wanted. 17:23 wizzyrea :) 17:23 wizzyrea easy one 17:23 oleonard For example: background: url("../../images/cart.gif"),-moz-linear-gradient(top, #e5f1d4 0%, #cbe4aa 50%, #c0de98 100%); 17:23 oleonard That sets the background image and a background gradient at the same time. 17:23 oleonard (in Firefox syntax) 17:23 wizzyrea love those linear gradients. so hot. 17:23 oleonard http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/ FTW 17:29 wizzyrea still no batch patron delete, right? 17:29 moodaepo oleonard++ 17:29 wizzyrea oh yea that gradient maker thing is so flippin great 17:29 * moodaepo has used that quite a bit among others 17:30 schuster wizzyrea - not that I have seen on the patron delete. 17:35 wizzyrea and no batch patron mod either. 17:35 wizzyrea schuster, how do you handle your kids? 17:35 wizzyrea a full reload? 17:35 wizzyrea *NEKLS thinks of adding a school 17:36 * oleonard guesses lots of paddling 17:36 wizzyrea to nexpress 17:36 * wizzyrea gives oleonard the stink eye 17:36 wizzyrea j/k :) 17:36 oleonard Stinkeye... That's a paddlin' 17:36 wizzyrea owie 17:37 schuster Yes we reload all borrowers 2 times a week. Monday and Thursdays - the gradebook program provides a csv file(our database manager "appends" the header) and we have a cron job that goes out and picks it up and process the file. 17:37 wizzyrea oh mah lord. 17:37 schuster I'm working on submitting our process to community. 17:37 schuster it loads about 55,000 students in 45 minutes. 17:37 schuster That doesn't get rid of those that are not updated though. 17:37 wizzyrea does it "dump" - yea, that's what I was wondering 17:38 wizzyrea does it dump the old ones. 17:38 oleonard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgR0m-9FmM btw) 17:39 cait what I do for one of our libraries is 17:39 cait debar all patrons, then reload 17:39 schuster Someone pointed out that they set their expiration date to June 20 of the year they graduate. That way they can at least look at those to determine who has not gotten an update and then delete them manually. 17:39 cait so those who ar enot in the file will still be debarred after reimporting 17:40 schuster ah yep . 17:40 wizzyrea hmm 17:40 collsk12 schuster: Do you know what cron job you run? I've been doing the same thing manually every week. 17:41 * wizzyrea suspects it's custom 17:41 schuster There is no datetime stamp on the borrower record to track update unless you load it as part of the borrower load. 17:42 schuster collsk12 - that's a cron I'm working to get submitted to community it was something LibLime did for us 4 years ago and I never realized it wasn't out for public consumption until last month. 17:42 collsk12 Gotcha....well fine then ;) 17:42 * oleonard suppresses a snort 17:42 schuster i tried the manual thing but our files are so large it would time out... 17:43 schuster I'll get back on that patch submission hopefully this afternoon. I'm close to submission. 17:43 schuster I also have one for batch loading student pictures that I'm working on getting submitted 17:43 collsk12 sounds awesome! 17:43 * wizzyrea is just glad schuster actually owns his code. 17:43 wizzyrea and thus can share it :) 17:44 schuster :) 17:44 schuster Another reason we are not going down the rabbit hole. 17:47 schuster I'm looking for an sql of borrowers that owe money and/or have overdue books - suggestions? 17:47 schuster I don't see anything in the SQL report library 17:48 wizzyrea really? 17:48 wizzyrea that seems... odd 17:49 wizzyrea report library? 17:49 wahanui report library is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library 17:49 oleonard So who's got a favorite responsive, fluid CSS grid system? 17:49 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library#Overdue_materials 17:49 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/3.2_SQL_Reports_Library#Total_Fines_Owed 17:49 wizzyrea either of those? 17:50 sekjal the two could possibly be joined into one output with a UNION statement 17:50 wizzyrea ^^ 17:53 * wizzyrea is now annoyed by unix programs that use single - for longopts. 17:54 liw wizzyrea, yes, that's annoying (also proof that I won't be inventing a time machine or I would've fixed it in the past) 17:54 wizzyrea before I worked on koha, I would have just accepted that as "how it is" and not known the difference. 17:54 wizzyrea :) 17:54 * wizzyrea contributes to the liw time machine fund 17:55 schuster Ok that's a start I guess. I found - http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Patrons_w.2F_Fines which is close... need to explore more. 17:56 liw wizzyrea, http://liw.fi/time-machine/ :) 17:57 wizzyrea hahaha! 17:59 * chris_n wonders what about changing sysprefs, etc. on koha requires a cold boot 17:59 chris_n heya sekjal! 17:59 cait memcache 17:59 cait or caching 17:59 chris_n wb to the day 17:59 cait and hi chris_n 17:59 cait :) 17:59 chris_n hey cait 17:59 cait I tihnk paul said before he did work on caching - so that would make sense to me 18:00 chris_n changing authorized values? 18:00 chris_n are they cached? 18:01 cait no idea 18:02 Shane-S so follet uses Marc21, what does Koha use (for when I order books) 18:02 wizzyrea Marc21 :) 18:02 wizzyrea MARC21 18:02 wizzyrea same thing 18:03 * wizzyrea is still giggling over liw's time machine. 18:03 sekjal hey, chris_n 18:03 tcohen chris_n: authorized values do not seem to be cached 18:04 Shane-S then I take it follets software moves 952 to 852? 18:04 wizzyrea 952 is where koha keeps items 18:04 wizzyrea bc item records, and someone correct me if I'm wrong here, they aren't "standard" MARC 18:05 Shane-S oh okay so that is local data gotcha! 18:05 wizzyrea 900's are local use fields that koha uses to store items 18:05 wizzyrea exactly :) 18:05 cait chris_n: no idea what exactly is going on there, but http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2012-February/031967.html 18:06 tcohen mmm, memoize('GetAuthorisedValues') in C4/Koha.pm 18:06 cait only if we can flush them on change please 18:07 cait it's so confusing if you change something but nothing changes 18:07 cait even waiting 10 minutes is not good really :( 18:07 tcohen cait: I agree 18:07 chris_n exactly 18:07 chris_n hence the caching "trap" :-) 18:08 tcohen cache invalidation, i hope next week I can provide a demo of a solution 18:08 chris_n but the whole caching thing is still in the works and so an "unstable" feature 18:08 tcohen i've just became co-maintainer of memoize::memcached 18:08 chris_n in general, changes to koha should note require a cold boot I think 18:09 tcohen a memcached service cold boot 18:09 chris_n yes, a relaod or restart 18:09 chris_n reload, even :) 18:10 tcohen reloading is not an option as sessions might be stored there too! 18:11 cait and not everyone has command line access 18:11 chris_n I'm assuming that once caching is fully implemented there will be cache-flushing routines to avoid cli access requirements 18:11 * chris_n tries to imagine training his librarians to do such admin tasks each time they update/add an authorized value 18:13 schuster schuster shudders at the thought. 18:13 chris_n tcohen: great news on the co-maintainership btw 18:14 tcohen i'll try to change the memoize API so we pass an array of 'invalidator functions' 18:14 schuster anyone use the Overdue and Fines on the circ page? it isn't even documented in the 3.6 manual... 18:15 cait they are reports :) 18:15 Shane-S crap...seems follet or the book company added a "T" to the barcode number, but the actual barcode does not pull in the "T" as it means "text" on my phone scanner. Can I batch remove all the T's from barcode numbers? 18:15 cait not so much to document I think, one shows overdues ,one overdues with fines :) 18:16 schuster I can't even get it to provide me a anything for the Overdue and Fines report so that's why I was asking. 18:16 schuster Shane-S - is the T actually scanned as part of the barcode? 18:17 Shane-S No scanned (via my phone, I will try with the handheld later) it comes up 0054190, but in the imported data Koha has it as T0054190 18:17 schuster Shane-S - sounds like a job for Marcedit! - you would think I was a sales person but I'm not. 18:17 collsk12 Shane-S: Follett is a nightmare to export. Pull a few books and scan the barcodes in notepad. It will give you an indication of how bad the situation is. 18:17 collsk12 Do you have access to the Follett database, by chance? 18:18 cait schuster: laast time I worked with it was 3.2.2 18:18 Shane-S No clue how to use it, but I already MarcEdit the export and imported 9,000 records into Koha :( 18:18 cait schuster: what do you mean it does not you a anything? 18:18 Shane-S Now I found the barcode issue...this will be "FUN" 18:19 collsk12 Yup 18:19 Shane-S Can I purge Koha's data easily? 18:19 collsk12 Barcodes seem to be a very common way to "keep" your customers. 18:19 wizzyrea Shane-S: http://koha-community.org/?qa_faqs=added-books-testing-im-testing-delete-test-items-bibs-start-fresh-it 18:20 collsk12 Shane-S: Might not be necessary. Do you have access to the database? 18:20 Shane-S its just a test system I can do anything to it, or do you mean Follett? 18:20 collsk12 I mean follett 18:21 wizzyrea do see that link though, Shane-S 18:21 Shane-S wizzyrea: yes thank you 18:22 wizzyrea and the command is missing there, but it's a misc/migration_tools/rebuild-zebra.pl -b -r -v 18:22 wizzyrea or you're on packages, just use the koha-rebuild 18:22 collsk12 Long story short. I migrated from a follett system. The T seems to be applied to every "title" in follet and i think it was a "P" added to every patron; however, follett also built in some padding, which was pretty arbitrary. 18:22 wizzyrea or whatever it is :P 18:22 Shane-S kk :P 18:22 Shane-S collsk12: MARCEdit will probably help me out there :D 18:23 collsk12 I was able to get into the follett database a export a table that had the "T 123456" next to the "T00123456", or whatever the case may be. 18:23 Shane-S Don't feel like stressing my 60+ year librarian out, she gets worried when I come in...charge = heart failure :P 18:23 collsk12 MARCEdit couldn't help me, because there was no rule to the number of zeros follett added. 18:23 collsk12 Feel your pain, buddy. 18:24 Shane-S zeros scan fine, letters don't 18:24 Shane-S I have to test some barcodes first, so I will see 18:24 Shane-S if I HAD to get on Circ/Cat I can, but I have no idea what the DB run under in OS9 18:24 collsk12 The letters will scan. I would test a random selection of barcode before you go hack up the export in MARCedit. 18:26 collsk12 MARCEdit will work wonders if every single barcode follows the same pattern. I will keep my fingers crossed for you. 18:26 Shane-S this book I have is old, so I have to get in there an scan away with my phone and the scanner and see if it varies and what I get 18:27 collsk12 You could even just fix it on the database using some mysql magic 18:27 Shane-S it doesn't have a T in the number (nor the padded zeros) but my phone isn't scanning a T 18:27 collsk12 That's fine. Just make sure that ALL of your books follow the same pattern. 18:27 collsk12 Or you will have a very stressed out librarian. 18:27 Shane-S yeah, luckily I am not afraid of MySQL, just trying to make it import data easily, so I can do it if we move to production 18:29 Shane-S might just right a little .php script and do an if or case statement on the field 18:30 Shane-S as most have T00, but just found an odd ball X88888004 18:31 Shane-S I am sure an SQL pro can make fetch first 3 character of a field, find all that match, update with removing...just seems easier to script it to me :P 18:32 Shane-S actually...MARCEdit... Find $pT00 replace $p00...pending barcodes 18:32 schuster Shane-S yep 18:32 collsk12 You could do it either way, I just found it easier to do the update on the table rather than reimport. 18:33 collsk12 But your odd ball will cause issues. 18:33 schuster Not sure how the indexing works when you manually edit the tables that's what makes me nervous. 18:33 collsk12 Works like a charm. 18:33 Shane-S where does/is an items location stored/set, I noticed all imports are in "holdings" until I edit and save and it adds shelving and location data 18:34 schuster 952 a and b 18:34 schuster Shelving and location are what I call collection codes - NF, E, FIC etc... those are 952 8 and c 18:34 schuster 952 a and b are what I call the branches 18:36 Shane-S okay I see the side codes, didn't know the number, I guess it is always 952 18:36 Shane-S what is 942c, Koha Item Type right? 18:36 Shane-S thought it has y next to it 18:37 cait c is shelving location i think 18:37 cait itemtype is y 18:37 cait items? 18:37 cait 952? 18:37 wahanui 952 is the field used for items in Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 18:37 rangi Morning 18:37 cait morning rangi 18:38 Shane-S bah sorry 942c was old data...I see my MarcEdit put it in $y for 952 18:38 Shane-S sorry I am still catching on :P 18:46 oleonard rangi: Does Catalyst have a favorite CSS grid framework? 18:47 rangi You're asking the wrong guy 18:47 rangi I'll ask the design team :) 18:48 oleonard I would appreciate it. I think it's time to move the OPAC forward in that regard. 18:48 wizzyrea down with YUI! 18:48 * oleonard has been looking at Bootstrap today (http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/) 18:49 oleonard ...although just for the grid system, not for the JS widgets 18:49 alaquerre Hi all, is there a way to display more information in the search result page in OPAC. We would like to be able to show the Authorized Values value from NOT_FOR_LOAN instead of Available / Not Available. 18:52 libsysguy While we are on the subject of the opac I have a random question 18:52 libsysguy it seems like parts of the opac have been geared toward a landing page for libraries 18:52 libsysguy would that be a correct assessment? 18:52 cait down with yui! :) 18:53 oleonard I don't understand your question libsysguy 18:53 libsysguy well, we have several things we can put on the landing page for koha 18:53 libsysguy news, logins etc 18:53 sekjal libsysguy: do you mean that Koha is set up to serve as the library's website, not just it's catalog? 18:53 libsysguy basically 18:53 wizzyrea it certainly *could* do that 18:54 cait alaquerre: i think it used to be like that 18:54 cait ah result page 18:54 cait not detail page 18:54 libsysguy I was thinking about a cool way for it to be more tightly integrated with a libraries website 18:55 wizzyrea have you looked at SOPAC 18:55 libsysguy yes, it failed miserably 18:55 wizzyrea ew 18:55 libsysguy or at least I wasn't a fan 18:55 wizzyrea ok then. 18:55 sekjal libsysguy: that'd rock. one of the things I'm facing now is that my library website and my catalog(s) are completely separate systems jurisdictions, but users don't make those distinctions 18:55 libsysguy but there is a drupal integration module for pazpar2 18:55 * wizzyrea always just kipes the search form and plonks it on websites. 18:56 libsysguy so how cool would it be to integrate the catalog into drupal and use that as a front end engine 18:56 * libsysguy is going out on a limb here 18:56 libsysguy so please nobody break out the saws :p 18:57 libsysguy sekjal I have the same issue here 18:57 oleonard Isn't that the idea of SOPAC libsysguy? 18:57 libsysguy its the idea 18:57 alaquerre cait: Yes exactly in the result page. We use to set some value in the not for loan. Ex : "At the front desk". Right now, we display that there is not item available. If we can show instead :"Availability : At the front desk(1)" It would be so much better :-) 18:57 libsysguy but i feel its not very well executed 18:57 alaquerre cait : And right now... User think there is no document available. 18:58 cait alaquerre: i think the problem is it will get too big 18:59 cait alaquerre: if you are a library with lots of different items, branches, values 18:59 cait the availability informatoin in the result list will get too long 18:59 alaquerre Agreee, maybe I asked the wrong question.. How do you guys deal with document you dont want to let out of the library and still show the document available ? 19:00 rangi My stop 19:00 rangi Bbiab 19:00 sekjal libsysguy: so, would it be more practical to work to improve what SOPAC does, or to just scrap it and start afresh with a whole new module? 19:01 libsysguy well I've been looking at this module /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/exim-gencert 19:01 libsysguy oops 19:02 * libsysguy is also working on emal :p 19:02 libsysguy http://www.indexdata.com/masterkey 19:02 libsysguy sekjal I think it depends on what you want to do...SOPAC and MasterKey have two very different aproaches to integration 19:03 * sekjal wants to get his library on Koha. and Drupal. but that'll take a long time 19:04 * libsysguy feels sekjal's pain 19:04 libsysguy its a long road 19:07 sekjal I got a good plug in for open source systems at a webinar about Linked Data the other day 19:07 * libsysguy kind of geeked out at the thought of Drupal/Koha harmony 19:07 * magnus_afk perks up at the mention of linked data 19:07 rangi back 19:08 sekjal magnus_afk: I think it wouldn't be too hard to write a set of scripts to translate MARC records into a bunch of RDF statements. 19:09 magnus_afk sekjal: here's one, written in ruby: https://github.com/digibib/marc2rdf 19:09 libsysguy I thought rangi said RDF was dead in the water for now 19:09 magnus_afk bug 7236 19:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Add "Save as RDF" option to the OPAC 19:09 sekjal magnus_afk: well there we go! 19:11 * magnus_afk wonders what rangi meant if he said that 19:11 magnus_afk i only wish i had more time to tinker with it 19:11 libsysguy maybe I just misread 19:13 rangi RDA 19:13 rangi not rdf 19:13 sekjal it's going to take some kind of critical mass to get the library world moving forward with RDF. but having open source tools and an easy way for hackers to quickly throw up a proof-of-concept RDF implementation will help speed that along 19:13 rangi rdf is just spinning round in circles on the water 19:13 magnus_afk ah, there's a difference there ;-) 19:13 rangi yelling im not dead yet 19:15 magnus_afk sekjal: i'm sort of trying to get together a small poc of koha's opac "enhanced" by linked data... 19:17 magnus_afk LOC were being quite explicit about replacing marc with rdf/linked data not too long ago 19:17 rangi yup, for RDA in fact 19:18 magnus_afk links at the top here, for those who have not seen it: http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Main_Page ;-) 19:32 * oleonard cuts out early 19:32 oleonard See ya #koha 19:49 * chris_n finds a bug in the syspref editor whilst investigating the post on 3.6.2 19:49 chris_n if I change a setting and save it 19:49 chris_n then, without reloading the page, change it again 19:49 chris_n it will not save 19:51 librarygeekadam good day, I am running a test to use Koha, Dspace, and VuFind all on the same LAMP server. Could some one possibly tell me how I can get the local host to have more than one address? Right now both Dspace and Koha are fighting to use 127.0.1.1:8080 and 127.0.1.1:80. Dspace has a / after the 8080 and 80 but that doesn't seem to matter as Koha still comes up 19:51 librarygeekadam I appreciate any advice anyone can give me 19:52 librarygeekadam I should say dspace is 127.0.1.1:8080/xumli 19:54 librarygeekadam any ideas on how i can direct koha to a different local host address so I can use both dspace and Koha? 19:55 druthb All of those address/port combos should be being handled through Apache configs...so you should be able to just tinker with those to use different ports. 19:55 druthb Koha's apache config is *very* easy to fix like that, at least. 19:55 librarygeekadam ok 19:55 librarygeekadam I am new to the whole thing so Its been a steep learning curve 19:55 druthb DSpace (is it still using Tomcat?) would be harder to tinker with, so I'd say move Koha. 19:56 librarygeekadam do you by chance know a good website for configuring Apache like that? 19:56 librarygeekadam Dspace is using tomcat 19:56 druthb http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/bind.html 19:56 librarygeekadam then I would just open the file where i put in Listen 8080 and configure there correct? or is there another file I should configure? 19:57 druthb Particularly the section on "How This Works With Virtual Hosts"...as the default Koha config uses VHosts. 19:57 druthb You'll need to modify ports.conf, to listen on the port, then the vhost configs for staff and opac. :) 19:57 druthb (then restart Apache.) 19:57 librarygeekadam cool 19:58 druthb Glad I could help. Good luck. 19:58 librarygeekadam i appreciate the help on this! 19:58 librarygeekadam thanks 20:04 Shane-S okay...tried...http://koha-community.org/?qa_faqs=added-books-testing-im-testing-delete-test-items-bibs-start-fresh-it and then did http://koha-community.org/faq/double-ups-search-results-clear-index-start-again/ yet OPAC and Admin still show results 20:04 * druthb presses the "easy" button. 20:05 Shane-S db tb biblio is empty when I do select * from biblio I get empty set 20:06 Shane-S wonder if it doesn't work with the packages 20:13 * druthb squees, and hugs Space_Librarian. 20:15 Shane-S where else would zebra report errors I check in /var/log/koha/mysite zebra-error.log 20:15 cait if biblio is empt 20:15 cait y 20:15 cait you have no records in your database 20:15 cait ah 20:16 cait you still see results with now data? 20:16 cait no data 20:16 Shane-S but Zebra ins't re-indexing, searches are coming back with catalog data 20:16 cait hmm 20:17 Shane-S I have done sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full npslibrary, without --full, and without the the site name 20:17 Shane-S zebra-error.log is empty, and output just has warns 20:17 rangi it wont 20:17 rangi add 1 item and it will 20:17 rangi its because -full dumps the biblios and then creates a new shadow file and copies it over 20:17 rangi no biblios to dump, it doesnt happen 20:18 Shane-S ah okay :P 20:18 rangi soon as you add 1 record, it will get rid of the rest 20:18 Shane-S I will work on my new marc import 20:18 Shane-S thanks 20:35 * Space_Librarian is headdesking holds on ebooks. 20:35 wizzyrea O.o 20:35 * wizzyrea asks an obvious question 20:35 wizzyrea what about digital media requires that an *ebook* have a *hold* 20:36 Shane-S okay I appended $2 $a $b to my 952 with MarcEdit, and now the import did bring in an items in for holding, when i click add/edit item, it comes up with no books available, any idea why? 20:37 rangi wizzyrea: its just internal business rules 20:37 Shane-S didn't bring in any items* 20:37 wizzyrea hmm 20:37 rangi tracking who has had what 20:37 cait did you $y too? 20:37 Space_Librarian wizzyrea, not in our library. Physical copies can have a hold, ebooks have an external link, so *technically not for loan* but we want them to be searchable and "available" and saying "not for loan" confuses people. *sigh* 20:37 wizzyrea do you ahve libraries defined Shane-S 20:37 cait and what did you put in $2? 20:37 cait oh, and what wizzyrea asks 20:37 wizzyrea Ohhh I see Space_Librarian 20:38 rangi except for the ones that dont 20:38 cait and make your all your $a and $b are capitals 20:38 rangi where they deliver an electronic document to the person 20:38 rangi it made my head hurt at training 20:38 Space_Librarian wizzyrea, so I've set holdings to 0 and reserve to 0, and they're still coming up in the holds. 20:38 rangi :) 20:38 Shane-S $y was in there I think...lemme check and $a & $b I made match how i see it for the drop downs 20:38 Space_Librarian it's doing my head in now. 20:38 cait Space_Librarian: ouch .( 20:38 wizzyrea hm. so people can put holds on them, and you *don't* want that? 20:38 Space_Librarian rangi, those were the articles, not the ebooks. They check those out and in again. 20:39 Space_Librarian wizzyrea, yes. 20:39 wizzyrea how about 20:39 cait Shane-S: must be the code from your branches table, not the drop down description 20:39 wizzyrea make a rule "no holds" for the itype of your ebook 20:39 cait look at administration > branches and groups (or similar) 20:39 cait and same for $y itemtypes 20:39 rangi have you seen my bag of money? 20:39 * rangi wanders off on a tangent 20:39 bag bag 20:39 Shane-S $y was in included previously, it is set to "BK" which isn't valid, but that did affect the first import 20:40 Space_Librarian wizzyrea, done that 20:40 wizzyrea and it's still letting people place holds? 20:40 wizzyrea multi branches? 20:40 Space_Librarian still coming up in the holds to pull report 20:40 Space_Librarian single branch 20:40 wahanui single branch is a single branch in both opac and intranet 20:40 wizzyrea using the default rules or the ones for a specific library 20:40 wizzyrea perhaps you need to create the rule for no holds on the library specific rules 20:40 wizzyrea there's something about those holdability rules 20:40 * Space_Librarian wanders off to have a look 20:41 wizzyrea sometimes they don't cascade correctly 20:41 * wizzyrea bounces along with koha radio 20:41 cait Shane-S: for $y I think it will work defining the codes later, butnot for branches 20:41 * Shane-S goes to fix $a $b to be NPSD 20:42 wizzyrea ^^ good idea :) 20:42 * Space_Librarian goes to tinker 20:44 schuster Shane-S - it is a good idea to setup the "Basic parameters" on the Administration page before trying to play too much. 20:44 wizzyrea ^^^^^^^^ this 20:45 wizzyrea make sure you've stepped through the config 20:45 wizzyrea at least the 1st section. 20:45 Shane-S schuster: I don't know what item types we want or need yet, it appears from Follet my librian only used "BK" or Book 20:45 schuster Then you'll want to circ ... and you will have to remember to come back and do Patrons circulation, and then you will want to place holds... and you will have to oh better stop. 20:45 schuster Sounds like you might need to team with your Librarian... 20:45 wizzyrea Shane-S: then it would probably be advisable to install some sample data. 20:46 eternalsword managed to get my external authentication method working via sysprefs instead of koha-conf.xml. might tackle ldap at some point, but the difference is ldap has this idea of mapping, that I'm not sure will translate well to the sysprefs system. something to think about. 20:46 wizzyrea which would help 20:47 Shane-S schuster: wizzyrea for now I am just doing a proof of concept basically, but showing that I can import our data 20:47 wizzyrea yea, but wow having that stuff set up will make that a lot easier 20:47 Shane-S that was the one sticking point...not having the man hour to re-enter all the books 20:47 Space_Librarian *sigh* 20:47 wizzyrea ? 20:47 Shane-S as per the librarian....she doesn't know about this...for fear of literally scaring her to death 20:48 wizzyrea migration is certainly possible :) 20:48 wizzyrea many, many libraries have migrated from follett 20:48 schuster Data migration from one automation system to another can always be done... Depending on the Man hours you have available... 20:48 Space_Librarian migration is always possible. And I am naming ebooks my nemesis. 20:49 Shane-S I just want to be able to sit down an be like yep, I did it all, here is the working demo, with all our crap migrated to play with so you aren't scared and can ask me any questions and I don't stare blankly :D 20:49 wizzyrea no luck, Space_Librarian? 20:50 schuster Shane-S - the Bib and Item data will move fairly easily it will be the patron info - probably best to start fresh at the beginning of next school year so you don't have to move over checkouts/fines etc... 20:50 schuster That makes the data migration easier. 20:50 Space_Librarian they're still coming up in the holds queue 20:50 wizzyrea have you rerun the holds queue? 20:50 * wizzyrea states the (sort of) obvious 20:50 Shane-S Patrons will be easy, I can export from out Student System for that :P 20:50 Space_Librarian yup a couple of times now. 20:51 wizzyrea okies, just checking :) 20:51 wizzyrea hmmm 20:51 rangi do they have acutual holds on them? when you look at the records themselves? 20:51 cait the cronjobs or reloading the page? 20:51 wizzyrea ^^ 20:51 wizzyrea what cait said 20:51 wizzyrea reloading the page won't "rerun" the hold queue 20:52 schuster You deleted the holds and then placed a new hold? 20:52 schuster stating the obvious to me... Just because you changed the rule doesn't make it retrospective. 20:52 rangi you dangled the whositwhatsit with the thingamybobba? 20:52 * rangi doesnt want to be left out 20:53 Space_Librarian rangi the hard copies have holds on them, and the report is listing the next available item to pull 20:53 rangi ahh yeah 20:53 schuster LOL... tee hee... 20:53 chris_n whositwhatsit? 20:53 Space_Librarian cait, I'm rerunning the report. 20:53 rangi it might need to wait for the next cron run 20:53 rangi ill tell you when that is 20:53 wizzyrea yea, the hold queue isn't "dynamic" 20:54 wizzyrea and schuster has a point 20:54 wizzyrea the rule won't apply retroactively 20:54 cait ah makes sense 20:54 wizzyrea it won't un-list a hold that has already been picked. 20:54 rangi every hour 20:54 schuster schuster - not much help doesn't use hold que 20:54 rangi so give it 8 mins 20:54 rangi then check the report 20:54 Space_Librarian Yessir. 20:54 * rangi crosses his fingers 20:54 Space_Librarian Man, you guys are so awesome. I've missed you! :D 20:55 Shane-S well thanks for the help, out of time have non-work RL stuff to do...must leave. You have all helped me make great progress! 20:55 Shane-S Be back tomorrow to haunt the channel more :) 20:55 Space_Librarian cya Shane-S :) 20:55 schuster but if it is already on the hold que the cron will "relook" at the parameters when building the que again? 20:56 wizzyrea right 20:56 schuster shows his stupidity in holds. 20:56 wizzyrea nawwww 20:56 * Space_Librarian ponders BoC for this evening. 20:57 schuster Beer or Chardonay? 20:57 wizzyrea I just have questions about holds and circ more than anything else, so I know more about it 20:57 wizzyrea boards of canada? 20:58 cait beer and chocolate? 20:58 cait hm no o 20:58 cait best of chocolate? :) 20:59 cait lent- 20:59 cait lent-- 20:59 cait *sigh* 20:59 schuster yep... 21:01 Space_Librarian mmmm. chcoclate 21:04 eternalsword books or codexes 21:07 Space_Librarian dagnabit 21:07 sekjal Buckets of Cheese? 21:08 wizzyrea no luck? 21:08 Space_Librarian nope. 21:09 wizzyrea ok, well, *are* there holds already? Or it lets you place them in the first place? 21:10 rangi i think the problem as i understand it, is they cant place holds on the ebooks 21:10 rangi but they show up in the report as the next available 21:10 rangi is that it? 21:11 wizzyrea oh this is a record with mixed items? 21:11 * wizzyrea needs some context, got an opac link? 21:11 wizzyrea yea, did we ask the first question? 21:11 wizzyrea the first question? 21:11 wahanui i heard the first question was "What are you trying to do?" 21:11 rangi heh 21:15 druthb wahanui: wizzyrea? 21:15 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE! 21:15 druthb wahanui: druthb? 21:15 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 21:15 * druthb nods. 21:15 wizzyrea pfft 21:15 wizzyrea I do like science though. 21:16 rangi mtj? 21:16 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!! 21:16 Space_Librarian rangi yes: re: next available 21:16 rangi still the best 21:16 wahanui somebody said the best was to change from koha-to-marc-mapping so it changes back al frameworks 21:16 Space_Librarian wizzyrea: yes, mixed items 21:17 wizzyrea that *still* sounds familiar 21:17 wizzyrea to me 21:17 Space_Librarian Stand back! i'm going to attempt Science! 21:17 Space_Librarian (off tangent) 21:17 wizzyrea :D 21:17 rangi so the problem isnt that you can put holds on them, its that the holdsqueue is telling you there is a hold when there isnt? 21:17 Space_Librarian yes 21:17 Space_Librarian The holds are on the physical copies 21:17 wizzyrea i would have to see your rule setup 21:17 Space_Librarian but, it's telling us to pull the ebooks to fill them 21:18 wizzyrea the answer is in there 21:18 Space_Librarian i know it is. but damn it's elusive. 21:19 wizzyrea another thing that can trip you up 21:19 wizzyrea is the patron category of the holder 21:19 wizzyrea sometimes 21:19 wizzyrea (this is convoluted, bear with me) 21:19 wizzyrea if you have a rule for a library and you don't have a rule for default for a patron category 21:20 wizzyrea people in that category can place holds 21:21 Space_Librarian I have 10 categories... this could be interesting. 21:21 wizzyrea but that's one that I'd just have to see the rules and fluff it out 21:22 * Space_Librarian plots 21:37 * Space_Librarian rolls a d20 21:38 * druthb wonders.... 21:38 wahanui wonders is it is too early on Sunday for Koha db questions? lol 21:38 druthb wahanui: Space_Librarian? 21:38 wahanui rumour has it Space_Librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know 21:39 Space_Librarian aw shucks. Is wahanui still spreading those lies? :p 21:40 druthb truths. 21:40 druthb waha tells the truth! :) 21:40 druthb wahanui: druthb? 21:40 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would. 21:40 druthb see? 21:40 Space_Librarian good point. :) 21:48 sekjal @dice 1d20 21:48 huginn sekjal: 16 21:50 bag you've got 16 lives left 21:51 sekjal and I've still got to get through the Fire Swamp! 21:51 druthb I wonder... 21:51 druthb @dice 1d13 21:51 huginn druthb: 4 21:52 druthb it works, even if you give it something kind of irrational. Cool. 21:53 sekjal Koha: the RPG! 21:53 sekjal (probably a little more sustainable than Koha: the CCG) 21:53 bag @dice 1d3.1415926535897 21:53 huginn bag: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> 21:53 Space_Librarian @dice 1d20 21:53 huginn Space_Librarian: 5 21:53 Space_Librarian d'oh 21:53 bag @dice 1dpie 21:53 huginn bag: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides> 21:54 rangi you mean like this 21:54 rangi http://www.chorewars.com/badges/tipaul.png 21:54 * Space_Librarian runs from the fireys 21:56 sekjal time to catch my bus 21:56 sekjal later! 21:57 rangi cya sekjal 21:57 Space_Librarian ciao sekjal 22:08 Space_Librarian wizzyrea+++ 22:08 cait wizzyrea++ 22:08 cait sure she deserves it 22:13 magnus_afk g'night #koha 22:15 Space_Librarian she fixed my problem. :) 22:15 rangi yay! 22:15 rangi wizzyrea++ 22:16 cait documentation! heh 22:18 Space_Librarian now I've got to redo 39 more ebook records, but hey, at least it's only 39... :D 22:19 wizzyrea http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/halolz-dot-com-teamfortress2-pyro-imhelping.jpg 22:19 wizzyrea cait, that problem is documented on bug 7588 22:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7588 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , adding reserve restrictions after cataloging items can cause non-holdable items to be picked for holds 22:21 Space_Librarian wizzyrea: yus! 22:32 cait wizzyrea++ :) 22:51 Brooke ki aora 22:54 Brooke @later tell Oak Separation City, Welcome both 2009 22:54 huginn Brooke: The operation succeeded. 22:56 Space_Librarian Brooke :D 22:56 Space_Librarian you'l like this 22:57 Space_Librarian @dice 1d20 22:57 huginn Space_Librarian: 15 22:57 * Brooke is listening. 22:57 Space_Librarian yus! 22:57 Brooke @dice 1d6 22:57 huginn Brooke: 3 22:57 * Space_Librarian turns around and chases fireys back. 22:57 Brooke @dice 2d6 22:57 huginn Brooke: 3 and 3 22:57 Space_Librarian @dice 1d7 22:57 huginn Space_Librarian: 5 22:58 * Space_Librarian kills a firey with magic missile 22:58 Brooke "I'm shocked. Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here." 22:58 * Space_Librarian finds this hilarious 22:58 Brooke @dice 7d10 22:58 huginn Brooke: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice. 22:58 Brooke but, but mah fortitude pool!!! 22:59 Brooke so who's responsible for the timesink plugin? 22:59 * Brooke wonders about SmeckBot 22:59 Space_Librarian no idea, but it's cool. 22:59 Brooke @smeck space_librarian 22:59 huginn Brooke: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 23:00 Space_Librarian oooh. you mean when hell freezes over? 23:00 Space_Librarian love it. 23:01 Space_Librarian @smeck Brooke 23:01 huginn Space_Librarian: I've exhausted my database of quotes 23:02 Space_Librarian ah huginn I'm so disappointed in you. 23:02 Brooke he's just a boy bot. Clearly inferior in every fashion to Zoia. 23:02 Space_Librarian *nods* 23:08 Space_Librarian @wunder wellington,nz 23:08 huginn Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 23:09 cait nice new shiny feature waiting for sign-off 23:09 cait :P 23:09 cait and it includes unit tests! 23:10 cait bug 7576 23:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn 23:10 Space_Librarian yay cait! 23:11 cait rangi++ 23:11 cait for helping with the tests and because he is so awesome heh 23:12 Brooke rangi++ 23:14 cait good night all :) 23:32 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 23:35 bag hmmm rangi can you move brendan to bag? or bag to brendan? 23:35 bag I used to be pretty chatty in channel back in the day - but I'm not so much anymore 23:35 bag @wunder 93109 23:35 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.3°C (3:33 PM PST on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Steady). 23:35 rangi what do you prefer? 23:35 bag up to you - I miss brendan 23:36 rangi ill make it brendan then 23:36 bag @wunder wellington, nz 23:36 huginn bag: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling). 23:40 rangi done 23:40 rangi i like my new quote 23:41 bag rangi? 23:41 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 23:41 bag that quote rules!!! 23:41 bag Cause I know the almonds and the story 23:41 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ <-- on here 23:41 bag I know I'm being :P 23:41 rangi :) 23:41 bag oh mines not too bad 23:43 bag I like the one that says - Kados talks to himself a lot 23:45 rangi heh