Time  Nick            Message
01:02 wizzyrea        oh hi there.
01:02 jcamins_away    Saltine toffee candy?
01:02 jcamins_away    What do you think, wizzyrea?
01:02 jcamins_away    Good idea?
01:03 wizzyrea        i think it would be amazing.
01:03 wizzyrea        reminds me of the xmas trick of buying pretzels, then stacking a rolo candy and a pecan then baking for 3 minutes
01:03 wizzyrea        but less work.
01:05 jcamins_away    :)
01:05 * jcamins_away  shall make some then.
01:05 jcamins_away    To go with the cookies currently in the oven and the two batches of fudge in the fridge.
01:10 jcamins_away    wizzyrea: this is what I'm making: http://candy.about.com/od/toffeerecipes/r/saltine_toffee.htm
01:11 wizzyrea        spud and I just wow'd at this: http://youtu.be/BVsIAa2XNKc
01:22 dani            How goes?
01:41 wizzyrea        ah well enuf
01:42 dani            :)
01:44 jcamins_away    There aren't enough saltines!! :'(
01:47 dani            Doh!
01:47 dani            Thought I'd drop in. I'm rarely around much these days.
01:50 dani            New job is great but *busy* and I'm a university student as well.
05:46 cait            good morning #koha
10:20 mbalmer         salvate!
13:26 cait            silent
15:10 mbalmer         (psssst!)
15:33 jcamins_away    Bug 5843.
15:33 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5843 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , semicolon preceded by space in 490 subfield a (Series statement) causes search to time out
15:33 jcamins_away    Think I can reproduce it?
15:33 jcamins_away    It was quite a big problem back in 3.2.
15:34 jcamins_away    But I haven't noticed it in a while.
15:36 cait            hmm
15:36 cait            let me see the report
15:37 * jcamins       is testing.
15:37 cait            hm
15:37 cait            I don't think we use $v in the link
15:37 jcamins         No, of course not.
15:37 cait            a
15:37 cait            h
15:37 jcamins         That's correct.
15:38 cait            I think I understand now
15:38 cait            $a ends with ;
15:38 jcamins         C4::Search--
15:38 jcamins         Right.
15:38 jcamins         C4::Search--
15:39 jcamins         C4::Search--
15:40 cait            C4::Search--
15:40 cait            @karma
15:40 huginn          cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (511), "oleonard" (440), and "wizzyrea" (293).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-71), and "-" (-41).  You (cait) are ranked 6 out of 1962.
15:40 jcamins         @karma C4::Search
15:40 huginn          jcamins: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 16 times for a total karma of -16.
15:40 cait            hm still not lowest karma
15:40 cait            @karma Search.pm
15:40 huginn          cait: Karma for "Search.pm" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
15:44 jcamins         cait: could you try 5328?
15:44 cait            bug 5328
15:44 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5328 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Patron Messaging Preferences Table Is Missing Checkboxes
15:44 cait            oh
15:44 cait            I thought that was fixe
15:44 cait            d
15:45 cait            give me a sec, I will look at it after 6735
15:45 jcamins         cait: it works for me.
15:45 jcamins         cait: but I want a second opinion, since I don't use that area much.
15:49 cait            ok
15:49 cait            i wil take a look :)
15:49 cait            we should get some numbers
15:50 jcamins         Numbers for what?
15:53 cait            uhoh
15:53 cait            like total bugs
15:53 cait            before we sart
15:53 cait            can you check something?
15:53 cait            I activated enhancedmessaging
15:53 cait            searched for a patron
15:54 cait            and clicked on the edit link for the enh messaging table
15:54 cait            and I see the heading, but not the table, nothing
15:55 jcamins         Uh-oh.
15:55 jcamins         Yikes!
15:55 jcamins         Same thing here.
15:55 cait            ok
15:55 cait            hey, it can be reproduced
15:55 cait            that's good at least
15:55 jcamins         :/
15:55 cait            it works from the detail page with all fields for me
15:55 cait            so what's going wrong here hm
15:57 cait            I see no errors in the log or in javascript
16:02 cait            jcamins: any ideas?
16:02 wahanui         any ideas are welcome :)
16:03 jcamins         cait: none. :(
16:04 cait            ok
16:04 cait            I have filed 7558
16:04 cait            now going to look at the messaging problem
16:06 jcamins         FTR, it's a miracle memberentry.pl works at all.
16:06 jcamins         I can't follow the code at all.
16:09 cait            yeah
16:09 cait            it needs a rewrite
16:09 cait            it#s also horrible to translate
16:09 cait            lots of combined strings
16:09 cait            does not make any sense at all with different grammar
16:10 cait            I am checking git for recent changes
16:14 cait            I am not spotting it
16:18 cait            jcamins: have you figured out what opadd is?
16:21 cait            :(
16:22 cait            even if I set all the if to 1 it's still not showing up
16:22 janPasi         translating koha is really... hmm... interesting
16:23 janPasi         though i haven't actually traslated anything in 3.x series
16:23 cait            what is your problem janPasi?
16:23 janPasi         it was the older koha with nelsonville templates
16:23 janPasi         numerous :D
16:23 cait            start withone?
16:23 janPasi         english really doesn't translate well to finnish
16:23 janPasi         from and to
16:24 janPasi         we express it completely differently
16:24 janPasi         we don't have anything that even close resembles the words from and to
16:24 janPasi         because we use cases for that
16:24 janPasi         which means suffixing words (or rather word-bodies) with the suffix on the case in question
16:25 janPasi         but that's not specifically a problem with koha
16:25 janPasi         it's a problem with any software translation
16:27 janPasi         so the way you would even begin translating words like that would depend highly on the context
16:27 janPasi         which isn't always clear in koha or other software
16:27 cait            i understand
16:27 cait            not sure how to resolve this .(
16:28 janPasi         me neither :D
16:28 janPasi         don't worry, it's not your fault ;D
16:28 cait            you could start with a bug, explainign the problem and perhaps suggesting how it shoudl be built to make it easier
16:28 mbalmer         perkileinen!
16:28 janPasi         mbalmer: that doesn't really mean anything ;D
16:28 janPasi         perkeleinen would mean a small perkele
16:28 mbalmer         but it sounds finnish, you must admit that ;)
16:29 janPasi         a diminutive swearword
16:29 mbalmer         yes.
16:29 janPasi         it's cute really :D
16:29 mbalmer         it's used in the BSD community, or at least some
16:29 janPasi         perkeleellinen would mean something like hellish
16:31 janPasi         well, like i said
16:31 janPasi         i haven't tried translating 3.x koha versions
16:31 janPasi         so i can't really tell much about the problems with that
16:33 mbalmer         janPasi, the words comes from Elaekeleiset, iirc
16:33 janPasi         that's also wrong ;)
16:33 janPasi         you can't substitute ä with ae in finnish
16:33 mbalmer         Eläkeleiset, then ;)
16:33 janPasi         yeah, that's correct :)
16:34 janPasi         well almost, it's Eläkeläiset
16:34 mbalmer         perfectionist ;)
16:34 janPasi         :D
16:34 janPasi         well can and cat are two different things, aren't they ;)
16:35 janPasi         as are cat and cut
16:36 janPasi         in the same way same way hänkö? = (s)he?
16:36 janPasi         hanko = pitchfork
16:36 janPasi         haenko? = shall i get?
16:37 mbalmer         haenko hanko?, shall I get a pitchfork?
16:38 janPasi         almost, haenko hangon
16:38 janPasi         would be correct :D
16:38 janPasi         hangon = the whole pitchfork
16:40 janPasi         the case in that is genitive
16:40 janPasi         that's why it becomes hangon, instead of hanko
16:41 janPasi         we have 13 cases
16:42 janPasi         and then some that are limited
16:44 cait            hah, take this you bug!
16:44 cait            13!
16:44 cait            and I thought russian was bad with
16:44 cait            6
16:45 jcamins         cait++
16:47 janPasi         well, hungarian and estonian have more ;D
16:47 janPasi         and if you use the wrong case, then the meaning changes (of course)
16:48 janPasi         haenko hankoa? = am i searching for a pitchfork?
16:48 janPasi         that would be partitive case
16:49 janPasi         you sort of wish to see a part of the pirchfork in question ;D
16:50 janPasi         pitchfork even
16:53 cait            glad I never tried to learn finnish :)
16:53 cait            jcamins: patch is ready for testing ;)
16:53 cait            if you actually have time to take a look, plz check I didn't break the passwort thingy
16:54 jcamins         bug 7559?
16:54 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7559 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Edit links for patron attributes and messaging preferences are broken
16:54 cait            gonna look at 7558 next
16:54 cait            bug 7558
16:54 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7558 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Serial issue note doubled up in full history
16:55 jcamins         You mean the new default password thing, right?
16:57 janPasi         cait: well... it's slightly different, that's for sure :D
16:58 cait            jcamins: right :)
16:59 cait            janPasi: I already thought everyone trying to learn german is insane... now I think perhpas learning finnish is worse :)
16:59 janPasi         that probably depends where you originally come from
16:59 janPasi         and what is your native language
17:00 janPasi         but yeah, finnish is notoriously difficult for most europeans
17:00 janPasi         italians pick up the pronunciation immediately, though
17:00 janPasi         they produce flawless finnish in no time at all
17:01 janPasi         but i think the case-system is just as difficult for them as it is to other europeans
17:01 janPasi         in addition, there are other things you need to worry about
17:01 janPasi         like the vowel-harmony
17:02 jcamins         That's what scared me off Hungarian.
17:02 janPasi         i love the sound of hungarian
17:02 janPasi         it's one of my favourite languages, definitely
17:02 janPasi         though i don't speak a word of it :D
17:04 jcamins         How does the auto-password thing work?
17:04 cait            jcamins: not sure :P
17:04 jcamins         cait: I can't figure it out.
17:04 cait            hm
17:04 cait            let me see
17:04 cait            janPasi: :)
17:05 cait            jcamins: the link looks a bit weird to me
17:05 cait            I am looking at th eform that you reach from the toolbar
17:05 jcamins         Ah.
17:06 * jcamins       didn't expect it to be there.
17:06 cait            it doesn't look right I think
17:06 cait            and my entry is not masked?
17:06 jcamins         It's not supposed to be masked.
17:06 cait            ah ok
17:06 jcamins         I think it works "properly."
17:06 cait            but why have 2 field sthen?
17:06 cait            I think it works nicely in the patron edit form
17:06 cait            but the change password screen from the toolbar looks kinda wrong
17:07 cait            hm should make a mental note to ask owen about it
17:07 jcamins         cait: because you can also specify a password yourself.
17:07 cait            yes, but the link still looks wrong
17:08 jcamins         It does, but it looks like that with or without the patch.
17:09 cait            yep
17:09 cait            didn't touch that part
17:09 janPasi         how many tables are there in koha database?
17:09 cait            hm around 130 I think
17:10 jcamins         janPasi: 134.
17:10 cait            :)
17:10 janPasi         that's a lot :D
17:10 cait            it could be worse :)
17:11 cait            do you have a specific question?
17:11 jcamins         Why aren't I making biscuits right now?
17:11 cait            because we distracted you
17:11 jcamins         So you did.
17:11 jcamins         Shame on you.
17:14 janPasi         specific question, me?
17:14 janPasi         errm... no, not really
17:14 janPasi         not at the moment anyway
17:14 jcamins         Also, why isn't the cinnamon bread done? :(
17:15 janPasi         i just thought i'd comment the translation thingy
17:15 janPasi         since i've been doing something with it
17:21 cait            not even the cinnamon bread!
17:21 jcamins         cait: no!
17:23 cait            scandalous!
17:26 jcamins         Now it's done.
17:26 jcamins         And delicious.
17:27 cait            yum
17:30 janPasi         hmm
17:30 janPasi         what kind of bread is cinnamon bread?
17:30 janPasi         it it sweet?
17:30 janPasi         is it, even
17:30 janPasi         or salty bread with cinnamon?
17:33 jcamins         Sweet.
17:33 jcamins         I made...
17:33 janPasi         ok, i see :)
17:33 jcamins         This: http://budgetbytes.blogspot.com/2011/01/cinnamon-raisin-bread-124-recipe-10.html
17:34 jcamins         Well, except no raisins.
17:34 janPasi         i see
17:34 jcamins         And a mixture of flours.
17:34 janPasi         looks nice
17:34 jcamins         And some milk to replace some of the water.
17:35 janPasi         so it's like that, but nothing at all like that :D
17:35 jcamins         Now you got it. :)
17:35 jcamins         Biscuit time.
17:35 * jcamins       goes forth to make mozzarella-hot pepper biscuits.
17:38 cait            mmh
18:50 rangi           Morning
18:50 cait            morning rangi
18:56 * jcamins       waits impatiently for the biscuits to be done.
18:57 jcamins         Morning, rangi.
18:57 rangi           Hi cait and jcamins
18:58 * cait          waits impatiently for the biscuits too ;)
19:01 jcamins         Almost done. :)
19:02 jcamins         What else should I bake?
19:02 cait            hmmm
19:02 jcamins         I have brownies, sandtarts, two varieties of fudge, club cracker chocolate toffee candies, beer bread, cinnamon bread, mozzarella-hot pepper biscuits...
19:02 jcamins         Actually, I think that's about it.
19:02 cait            oooh
19:02 cait            I so want to taste all that
19:10 jcamins         These biscuits are weird.
19:10 cait            I can take care of them for you...
19:11 jcamins         :)
19:43 jcamins         Hehe.
19:43 * jcamins       likes the description of bug 4321.
19:44 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4321 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , C4::Biblio::GetBiblio is badly coded
19:44 cait            badly coded?
19:44 cait            :)
19:44 jcamins         Yup. That's the entire description of the problem.
19:46 jcamins         Has anyone used bulkmarcimport recently?
20:06 cait            nope
20:07 cait            jcamins++
20:10 jcamins         What did I do?
20:13 cait            bug work :)
20:19 jcamins         Ah. :)
20:22 rangi           hmm corporate author .. thats 110 .. so authority is 410 right?
20:22 jcamins         rangi: 110.
20:23 jcamins         410 would be see-from.
20:23 rangi           ah ta
20:24 Space_Librarian o/ Morning all!
20:25 rangi           hi Space_Librarian
20:26 Space_Librarian hey Rangi
20:29 cait            morning Space_Librarian
20:29 rangi           jcamins: and publisher?
20:30 jcamins         rangi: you just use corporate headings for authors: 110/410/510 in authorities.
20:30 rangi           ahh for publisher too? sweet as
20:30 rangi           cool thanks
20:30 rangi           and last one, is series
20:31 jcamins         Series is trickier.
20:32 jcamins         Probably 130/430/530, but it's also possible to have a series under x00 or x10.
20:32 rangi           hmm yeah
20:32 rangi           ill go for the 130 ones
20:32 rangi           the nice thing is, no sees (from or also in these ones)
20:33 jcamins         Yeah, that's good.
21:05 rangi           Space_Librarian: are you on the nz-libs mailing list?
21:07 Space_Librarian I am
21:07 rangi           did my rant come through?
21:07 * jcamins       is sorry he missed rangi's rant.
21:07 rangi           heh
21:08 Space_Librarian I'll get it at midday with the digest. You're ranting? Can't wait!
21:08 rangi           i did on saturday
21:08 cait            lol
21:08 rangi           but i fear it never made it through
21:08 cait            no archives?
21:09 rangi           no public ones
21:10 rangi           hmm nope it didnt weird
21:10 * rangi         will paste it for posterity
21:10 Space_Librarian no, it didn't. Just checked...
21:12 pastebot        "rangi" at 202.78.240.7 pasted "words have meaning rant" (45 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/263
21:13 ibeardslee      nice
21:15 rangi           maybe it doesnt like it when you only cc the list .. who knows
21:16 rangi           i feel better for having written it anyway :)
21:21 Space_Librarian nicely put!
21:21 jcamins         :)
21:21 jcamins         Very nice.
21:30 mbalmer         evening.  or should I say "night" ;)
21:40 eythian         I just got a spam that I think was a stock pumping one under the guise of someone looking for a job. It was quite odd.
21:43 Space_Librarian sounds odd indeed
21:44 jcamins         "If you give me a job I'll give you a can't-miss stock tip"?
21:45 eythian         No, "I'm looking for a job. As well as being a web designer, I also look at the stock market and recently bought shares in XXXX at $1/share. [snip a paragraph about why that's a good investment] I also like to cook, and my favourite dish is...."
21:46 jcamins         lol
21:48 Space_Librarian inventive
21:48 cjh             heh
21:49 jcamins         cjh: how goes the testing of 7284? Did you see I rebased?
22:03 eythian         http://www.debian.org/legal/patent <-- interesting
22:04 eythian         especially point 3, which is an aspect I'd never thought of but makes a lot of sense
22:04 jcamins         YUP.
22:04 jcamins         Sorry about the caps.
22:04 eythian         I just thought you were excited about it.
22:05 jcamins         lol
22:07 rangi           speaking of which
22:08 jcamins         Exciting things like bug 7284? :)
22:08 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
22:08 rangi           we should really upgrade our distribution to gpl v3 or later
22:09 cjh             jcamins: havent looked at your new rebase, after dealing with the zebra reindexing issue it seemed atleast as good as the old script for the data i was using, will test some more a little later
22:09 jcamins         :)
22:09 rangi           all the debain/scripts/* already are so technically we need to either strip them
22:09 rangi           or release as gplv3
22:09 jcamins         cjh: if you wanted to note that on the bug, that'd be great.
22:10 jcamins         Sign off also much-appreciated. :)
22:10 eythian         rangi: well, it basically means that the distribution is GPL3 unless you strip out those scripts, as the GPL2 stuff will auto-upgrade.
22:10 rangi           thats what i mean
22:10 eythian         oh OK
22:11 rangi           but our LICENSE file is gpl2
22:11 rangi           ie, we are doing it wrong :)
22:11 rangi           or at least confusingly
22:11 rangi           maybe ill put it on the agenda for next irc meeting
22:58 eythian         http://i.imgur.com/aRMcz.png
22:59 jcamins         eythian: lol
22:59 * jcamins       needed that.
23:08 Space_Librarian rangi, I see your rant didn't even make it to today's digest
23:08 rangi           yeah it must be in moderation queue
23:08 rangi           or just thrown on the floor