Time Nick Message 23:59 Space_Librarian does it work? 23:59 wizzyrea it was a gift 23:59 * wizzyrea has an "edge brownie pan" 23:58 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: we will have to fix that 23:58 wizzyrea regarding brownies 23:58 wizzyrea you know, I don't actually have a preference 23:58 Space_Librarian which I always find entertaining. :) 23:53 * jcamins_away probably shouldn't be allowed around #koha evenings when he's home alone. No work is done, and the entire world is inflicted with a stream-of-consciousness view of his kitchen. 23:52 jcamins_away Yayyy!!!! I found a dish I could bake brownies in! :D 23:51 Space_Librarian Personally, I like middle brownies. But then, I've never actually had genuine American brownies. 23:50 jcamins_away wizzyrea: what is your stance on middle brownies vs. edge brownies? 23:48 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: but aren't the middle brownies tastier? 23:48 jcamins_away lol! 23:48 Space_Librarian jcamins_away http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/a1aa/ 23:47 Space_Librarian the cake is a lie! 23:47 jcamins_away Aaugh! 23:47 * jcamins_away realizes that he doesn't have a pan suitable for baking brownies in. 23:46 jcamins_away Mmmm. Brownies. 23:46 jcamins_away My grandmother's oven isn't defective! 23:46 jcamins_away I could make brownies! 23:46 wahanui brownies are a lie. 23:46 jcamins_away Or brownies! 23:46 jcamins_away I'm making cookies today. 23:46 jcamins_away Mmmm. Chocolate. 23:45 Space_Librarian right. chocolate... 23:42 wizzyrea pheh 23:40 jcamins_away Pizzas? 23:40 Space_Librarian boil 'em, mash 'em, put 'em in a stew... 23:39 jcamins_away Alas, I don't have enough tomato sauce for pizza. 23:36 wizzyrea nice! 23:36 jcamins_away Woohoo! My professor really is using Koha in his rare book cataloging course! 23:35 wizzyrea what's taters precious 23:33 Space_Librarian now if only we had taters... 23:32 jcamins_away Myshkin says yum! 23:32 jcamins_away Rabbits? Did someone say rabbits? 23:19 * Space_Librarian zips her lips and sits vewwy still 23:17 wizzyrea shhhh 23:09 Space_Librarian awe yuw hunting wabbits? wizzyrea? 23:04 wizzyrea is vewwy quiet 22:38 wizzyrea lulz 22:37 eythian http://cclblog.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/librarians-get-crabby/ 22:18 smeagol aha..thanks, rangi...i thought someone was doing it. i will check. 22:04 rangi smeagol: i think its is part of the holds rewrite, so id check the bugs related to that 22:03 smeagol I just thought maybe it was in the works.. 21:55 sekjal okay, folks, I'm out for the night. been a blast. 21:54 Space_Librarian ibeardslee all mine do - but yeah, think of things that have stuck with you for the last couple of decades, and probably won't change in the next... 21:50 ibeardslee trying to find something that has a meaning, and will still have meaning in 10, 20, 30, 40 years time 21:49 Space_Librarian That is just... yeah. wow. 21:49 eythian (that photo is from when it was just done, it probably looks a bit better now) 21:49 ibeardslee nice 21:49 eythian It's the: "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost." thing 21:48 Space_Librarian *gasp* - now that is something I could live with for the rest of my life... 21:48 eythian https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/389181_2519435421500_1121711827_32952541_939130816_n.jpg <-- this may work better 21:47 eythian (don't know if you can see the photo, but you might be able to) 21:47 eythian https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2519435421500&l=368788dbe9 <-- Space_Librarian, a friend of mine got this done recently 21:47 Space_Librarian ooooh! Now there's one that could be awesome. 21:46 rangi how about "Go away or i will eat your face" in black speech ? 21:45 rangi heh 21:44 Space_Librarian maybe I need in in Sindarin that says "stop bothering me" as well... ;) 21:43 Space_Librarian it's my name in Quenyan - okay?! Damnit. :p 21:43 Space_Librarian everybody who passes my desk stops and asks. 21:43 * wizzyrea waits 21:43 wizzyrea so Space_Librarian, tell us about your tattoo 21:43 wizzyrea endless? 21:43 rangi heh 21:43 * Space_Librarian is getting endless queries about her elvish tattoo at work again. 21:42 Space_Librarian my precioussssssss. lol 21:41 smeagol haha..me wants it...me neeeeeeeeds it.....!!! 21:40 rangi if you stop chasing rings all the time and write a patch to do it, then yes :) 21:39 smeagol Is 'reservenumber' ever going to be added to reserves table? 21:35 rangi thanks sekjal 21:34 sekjal scanned the opac for other security risks like 7551; no others detected 21:31 rangi cya oleonard 21:31 oleonard Until then, bye #koha 21:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Display picture of patrons in OPAC 21:31 * oleonard will submit a patch for Bug 3516 after crossing some T's tomorrow morning 21:26 oleonard Thanks sekjal 21:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7551 blocker, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Any logged-in OPAC user can renew items for others using a properly constructed URL 21:25 sekjal bug 7551 passed QA 21:19 jcamins Yeah, probably. 21:19 oleonard Maybe someone thought that the "XXX" required the #FIXME comment? 21:19 rangi after my time :) 21:19 rangi no idea about that one 21:18 * jcamins wondered that as well. 21:18 * oleonard wonders why line 4673 of updatedatabase.pl says "$DBversion = "3.07.00.013"; #FIXME" 21:16 rangi but thats harder 21:16 rangi yup, eventually i will kill all template->param too 21:16 jcamins Hm. Maybe we should make a mass change, because that does confuse people. 21:15 rangi (it meant you could togggle between C4/Output and .tmpl and C4/Templates and .tt without having to change every single script) 21:13 rangi now the change is all complete that should be safe 21:12 rangi on any scripts you touch 21:12 rangi but feel free to change it to .tt 21:12 rangi things not explode in a huge heap 21:12 rangi it allowed use to migrate and have 21:12 oleonard Okay, so it really does mean something to Koha 21:12 rangi it gets changed to .tt by the C4::Templates 21:12 * jcamins has often wondered that. 21:11 oleonard Another basic question: Why do we still have scripts say stuff like 'template_name => "opac-user.tmpl",' when that obviously doesn't mean anything anymore? 21:11 jcamins oleonard: right. 21:10 rangi to find them 21:10 rangi so you can grep "Bug 2505" 21:10 rangi he added that 21:10 rangi but lots more to do 21:10 rangi then fixed a few too, and uncommented 21:10 rangi and added that 21:10 rangi that didnt have use warnings 21:10 rangi went through every file 21:09 rangi donovan from work 21:09 oleonard So "use warnings" is correct, the comment was added to remind people to fix that file 21:08 rangi that suddenly start occuring 21:08 jcamins That should have been fixed but weren't. 21:08 rangi and fix all the use of initialized variables 21:08 jcamins oleonard: no, there are warnings in the scripts where the line *is* commented out. 21:08 rangi it means someone needs to uncomment use warnings 21:07 oleonard jcamins: You mean there are warning in the scripts where the line isn't commented out? 21:07 sekjal back 21:07 jcamins oleonard: 'cause there are warnings in those scripts. 21:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts 21:06 oleonard Why do some scripts have "use warnings;" and others have "#use warnings; FIXME - Bug 2505" ? 21:04 Space_Librarian ;) 21:02 * wizzyrea waves her arms "Just kidding! Really!" 21:02 Space_Librarian wizzyrea, you're evil. I like it 21:02 rangi heh 21:01 oleonard There goes our alternate business model of turning Koha into OKCupid 21:01 wizzyrea just once. 21:01 * wizzyrea just wanted to see rangi squirm 21:01 * wizzyrea giggles 21:01 rangi hells no! 21:00 wizzyrea should we offer to let them upload their own :P 21:00 oleonard If we show the patron image in the OPAC next they'll ask us to update their image for them :) 20:57 Space_Librarian :( I'm sure it will be 20:57 rangi atarau is getting his biopsy on wednesday, so nope, but im sure it will be fun :) 20:57 Space_Librarian oleonard - that is fantastic! 20:56 Space_Librarian rangi, I am - and I'm dragging my staff with me - not quite kicking and screaming. Are you? 20:56 rangi Space_Librarian: going to the slis event on wed night? 20:55 jcamins You have the greatest patron image ever. 20:55 jcamins LOL! 20:55 rangi heh 20:55 * wizzyrea giggles. 20:55 oleonard Now that that distraction is taken care of: http://screencast.com/t/mhE6zh9IgnWx 20:44 jcamins Well, he'll have lots of highlights when he gets back. 20:44 wizzyrea fumble lol 20:44 jcamins Oh. 20:44 rangi hes at a meeeting 20:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7551 blocker, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Any logged-in OPAC user can renew items for others using a properly constructed URL 20:44 jcamins sekjal: QA bug 7551? 20:44 wizzyrea sekjal! halp! :) 20:43 rangi 9.40 signed off 20:43 rangi 9.24 patch 20:43 rangi 9.21am report 20:43 cait qa and push missing 20:43 cait report, fix, sign-off? 20:43 rangi we may have broken the record 20:42 rangi excellent 20:42 oleonard Signed off. 20:42 wizzyrea flaming fireballs! 20:41 cait hah rangi++ :) 20:41 wizzyrea rangi++ 20:41 rangi oleonard: yay! 20:38 Shane-S Thank you all for the help :P 20:38 Shane-S okay well at least I am in...leave it for another day I am stressed. 20:37 wizzyrea yep 20:37 Shane-S is a user called a Patron even if the admin? 20:35 Shane-S Thanks 20:35 Shane-S can't remember that gibberish :P 20:34 oleonard ...and I can renew for myself. Looks like it's working as it should 20:34 Shane-S in now thanks 20:34 Shane-S clipboard must have copied wrong 20:34 cait and first thing you do is create a real user 20:34 cait Shane-S: you run the webinstaller and then log in again with the same user 20:34 schuster ok so I have 3 branches in my git that I have been working on. I just realized that I crossed one of the branches as I was editing some of the code did work in branch1 then went to branch2 and did some work and also edited the file from branch1.. is this salvageable or do I start over? 20:33 * chris_n gets out the fire extinguisher 20:33 Shane-S grr...got through the setup and now I can't login, I see biblio and authoritative in the xml, but that isn't working, nor did the inital one...do I have to make a login somewhere? 20:33 oleonard Okay, with the patch I can't renew for others. Now let's see if I can renew for myself... 20:27 rangi could go either way 20:27 rangi or it might explode in a ball of flame 20:27 rangi it should ignore the borrowernumber param 20:26 cait rangi++ 20:26 rangi i whacked a patch up 20:26 oleonard Sure 20:26 rangi oleonard: if you have a sec 20:25 jcamins Shane-S: nope, just gibberish. 20:25 Shane-S looked like was salted :D 20:25 * cait seconds that 20:25 jcamins Never ever _ever_. 20:25 Shane-S okay :P 20:24 rangi once you create a real user you should never ever log into koha with that user and password again 20:24 rangi its not, look at the username and password at the bottom 20:23 jcamins Shane-S: it's that gibberish you see in koha-conf.xml. 20:23 Shane-S So I have the installer (web) up, but I need a username and password. The XML password looks encrypted, what is the default for kohauser? 20:21 * rangi looks now 20:21 rangi thanks oleonard 20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7551 blocker, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, NEW , Any logged-in OPAC user can renew items for others using a properly constructed URL 20:21 oleonard Bug 7551 20:19 chris_n perhaps using the built-in webcam 20:19 bag like once you click on the place hold button… 20:19 * chris_n figures retinal scans might fix that issue 20:18 wizzyrea I think so 20:18 bag before the hold is place 20:18 bag sorry 20:18 bag wizzyrea: yup 20:18 bag I want to add some html on that screen 20:18 wizzyrea before or after the hold is submitted? 20:18 bag through JQuery maybe? 20:18 bag Has anyone added a message to the cgi-bin/koha/opac-reserve.pl (on the OPAC) when a patron is placing a hold? 20:18 wizzyrea chris_n: the power of prayer. 20:18 jcamins And it was just rebased this morning, too. 20:17 jcamins Space_Librarian: I know. All it needs is a sign off... hint hint... 20:16 Space_Librarian jcamins - *swoon* - that is going to be awesome! 20:16 chris_n but I suppose that is an exercise for the library using self-co 20:15 * chris_n still wonders what keeps a person from running a self-checkout on someone else's card 20:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements 20:14 jcamins Space_Librarian: you may want to look at bug 7284 for your subject linking needs. :D 20:14 wizzyrea nom 20:14 rangi discard the param passed in, and use the borrowernumber from the userenv 20:14 jcamins Space_Librarian: very good idea. 20:14 Space_Librarian jcamins, wizzyrea ina pinch it does work. There's a Belgian chocolate place that will be visited at lunch though... 20:14 rangi most likely an easy fix 20:13 jcamins At least for places that do circulation. 20:13 * jcamins can't look at it, but that's kind of a huge problem. 20:13 * oleonard will do so 20:13 rangi yeah 20:13 rangi right that definitely needs to be fixed fast 20:13 jcamins oleonard: you should report that as a blocker. 20:13 oleonard Tested with a non-admin user 20:12 oleonard rangi: In my test, as long as I'm logged in as a valid user in the OPAC I can renew items for someone else using a properly constructed URL 20:10 wizzyrea but in a pinch, it could work. 20:10 jcamins wizzyrea: there we go. One could want real chocolate. ;) 20:10 wizzyrea chocolate flavored syrup stuff 20:09 wizzyrea well no. 20:09 jcamins wizzyrea: pop tarts don't generally have real chocolate, do they? 20:09 wizzyrea so much better than cow milk ones. 20:09 * wizzyrea was going to make almond milk swedish pancakes this week but just never got to it 20:09 cait heh 20:09 * jcamins doesn't either, but it sounds like a great idea. 20:09 wahanui no is, like, failing unit tests 20:09 wizzyrea no? 20:08 wizzyrea ! 20:08 jcamins wizzyrea: you don't put peanut butter on s'mores?!? 20:08 * wizzyrea makes smores in the microwave with marshmallows and nutella 20:08 Space_Librarian thanks wizzyrea! :p 20:08 wizzyrea peanut butter, I guess. 20:08 wizzyrea it's marshmallow, chocolate, and graham, what more could anyone want 20:07 Shane-S peanut butter on them might help ;) 20:07 Space_Librarian I'll rectify the situation when it's not 9am. :) 20:07 Space_Librarian they all I have here for now 20:07 Shane-S yeah that was done from the other tutorial I followed for Ubuntu 20:06 jcamins Space_Librarian: s'mores pop tarts aren't goign to cut it. 20:06 rangi youve done the a2enmod rewrite etc? 20:06 Space_Librarian (dealing with subject headings today) 20:06 * Space_Librarian breaks out the s'mores pop tarts 20:06 Shane-S rangi: thanks, I assume using koha-create --create-db mylibrary is safe once that is done? 20:06 rangi thats definitely a blocker bug if so 20:06 rangi it doesnt use the borrowernumber that you are logged in as? 20:05 ibeardslee I ended up pigging out on a box of chocolates last night 20:05 oleonard Hmm... I see you can renew an item for anyone via the OPAC if you know their borrowernumber and the itemnumber... 20:05 Space_Librarian mmmm. Chocolate. 20:05 jcamins You could generalize the C4::Images class I did. 20:05 jcamins Ah, yeah. 20:05 jcamins Mmmm. Chocolate. 20:05 chris_n actually, the storage and retrieval of images 20:04 Space_Librarian did somebody say chocolate?! 20:04 chris_n :) 20:04 chris_n jcamins_away: fine chocolates maybe? 20:04 Space_Librarian tgif indeed rangi :) 20:04 ibeardslee I can never understand that sentiment .. it's like it should be 'tgim' .. back at work, awesome! 20:04 jcamins_away chris_n: what were we discussing? 20:03 rangi tgif 20:03 rangi hi Space_Librarian 20:02 Space_Librarian o/ 20:01 rangi leave out the DEFAULTSQL bit 20:01 rangi that looks very similair to that snippet 20:01 Shane-S ah okay :P 20:01 rangi yep, make one 20:01 Shane-S rangi yep... and "After install, edit /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf with details about your site." I have koha-conf-sites.xml.ini, but not that 20:01 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 20:01 rangi heya chris_n 20:00 chris_n heya rangi 20:00 * chris_n removes items from bibs 20:00 rangi you have done the apt-get install koha-common eh? 20:00 chris_n 29k bibs and counting... :P 19:59 rangi i bet you are up to that bit 19:59 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Quick_Start 19:59 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 19:59 Shane-S I did install it via .deb packages 19:59 rangi if you installed via packages 19:59 rangi you wont 19:59 Shane-S I don't have a koha-httpd.conf file 19:58 rangi and if you installed it using packages, not the Makefile.PL if you did it using the tarball then yes you have to run perl Makefile.PL 19:58 Shane-S I just dont know where http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages has left me 19:58 rangi Shane-S: uses a web based one as well 19:58 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=summary yay 19:57 Shane-S *sigh* does Koha use a web-based setup at all or is it all via perl Makefile.PL? 19:51 Shane-S is there a way to tell if Koha is installed...because http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;hb=HEAD has way more to do thenhttp://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages 19:48 sekjal I know it can be done, but it was a pain to fight with 19:48 sekjal so at a per-listener end, then, but I don't believe that bit of config code is accessible during the authentication subroutine 19:47 sekjal I'd argue against globally, since you may want one SIP machine to be barcode-only, but other services like Overdrive or EnvisionWare to require passwords 19:47 sekjal like, at what level should the config be set? 19:46 sekjal I was working on a way to configure that, but ran into some problems 19:46 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good 19:46 cait interesting 19:46 sekjal it will only allow the barcode-only auth if no password is defined in the database for that user 19:45 sekjal but Koha is not as forgiving with that 19:45 sekjal some libraries set their SIP-enabled SCO machines to only require barcode, as well 19:41 rangi like corporate libraries 19:41 rangi some places do trust 19:41 rangi yup 19:41 oleonard Ah, I see: either barcode or username/password. 19:41 cait there is a system preference 19:41 cait hm I think we require login? 19:41 oleonard Do we make this assumption because the SCO station supposedly has no keyboard? 19:40 oleonard So... we really do simply *trust* that a self checkout user is who they say they are? 19:40 Syneran Thanks everyone so much for your help! bye now 19:39 nengard PMed cause it was a bit long for paste 19:38 rangi nengard: what is the error you are getting when you do a git pull? 19:37 Shane-S Syneran: subpage here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Installation ?? 19:36 Shane-S can't* 19:36 Shane-S is the apache-shared.conf = koha-httpd.conf ? I can find this apache-shared.conf in an install guide 19:35 rangi i wont try to stop you, but proprietary software holds no interest for me, so probably wont be much help either 19:35 Syneran Alright shane-s. Just need to have some idea where such a document would go 19:34 Syneran e.g., the Schedule::At module doesn't work at all for any windows platform (I hope to remedy that in the near future...already in discussion with the author) 19:33 Shane-S I suck at Linux too :P 19:33 Shane-S *raises hand* I love linux...but I run all Windows Server / 7 here at work 19:32 Syneran while I'm here, is there any interest (in a general way) about the problems faced when installing to windows 7? I'd be glad to document what I've had to do and post it some where for others 19:32 Shane-S grr...I dont have a koha-https.conf in /etc/koha I see apache-shared.conf (few more with dis-,intra-,opac) is it somewhere else? 19:31 Syneran at least i couldn't find one :) 19:30 Syneran perhaps shane-s but i don't think apache for windows has a sites-available directory 19:30 Shane-S WIndows...yeah...think 7 have a symlink feature now though 19:29 Shane-S Syneran: I was told that is so Apache 1 by someone in #Apache on irc.freenode.net so I havelearned to symlink :P 19:29 Syneran well...that's what I had to do on windows cuz there's no equivalant to the a2 cmds 19:28 Syneran add the line Include {pathTo}/koha-httpd.conf into apache httpd.conf (at the end) 19:28 nengard need some git help - i can't push to the 3.6 manual - i tried doing a reset to HEAD, that didn't work, how do i pull an updated branch? 19:28 sekjal Shane-S: ah, so you'll need to symlink the koha-httpd.conf from your install directory to /etc/apache2/sites-available 19:28 Shane-S well i guess symlink versus copy 19:27 Shane-S is there a koha conf I cna copy or do I manually make it 19:27 Shane-S sekjal: Site koha doesn't exist, and etc/apache2/sites-available is now empty (no default files) 19:27 Syneran erm, so, things seem to be working for me (now that I modified biblio.pm)...thanks everyone 19:26 Shane-S kk let me give that a try, ty 19:25 sekjal and then restart apache to reload these modified configurations 19:25 Shane-S sekjal: AH! that second line is missing from the tutorial 19:25 sekjal also be sure your apache2/ports.conf has a Listen 8080 line 19:25 Shane-S I followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages for the most part (change the sources.list to use squeeze versus squeeeze-dev 19:24 sekjal Shane-S: usually you need "sudo a2dissite default" then "sudo a2ensite koha" 19:23 Shane-S I got Koha installed, but nothing it showing up at localhost:8080 and localhost just has the default "It Works!" How do I get Koha as a recognized Apache site? 19:23 Syneran lemme change it to "". 19:23 Syneran interestingly, post query that field looks nothing like the default value i gave it. 19:23 sekjal this would just be a crutch get to Win 7 (and perhaps other OS's) to get to that point 19:23 cait ok 19:23 sekjal cait: I think marcxml gets populated later in the AddBiblio subroutine 19:22 sekjal since it's not NULL 19:22 sekjal I think empty string would be acceptable 19:22 sekjal better to use "" 19:22 cait all the important information goes into that field.... I highly doubt it will work 19:22 cait that will not work 19:22 Syneran what I don't know, is <x></x> a really bad idea as a default value? 19:21 Syneran in other words, I added $biblioitem->{'marcxml'} = "<x></x>" unless defined( $biblioitem->{'marcxml'} ); then added the marcxml field to the query 19:21 Syneran so, I "fixed" the query in _koha_add_biblioitem to set a default value to the marcxml field if that field is undef on the $biblioitem object, and the request worked. 19:20 sekjal Syneran: being installed on Win 7 is a big enough difference that issues like this could easily crop up. Perhaps the way MySQL works on Win 7 is just different enough to cause problems like this 19:19 Syneran why i am getting an error? 19:19 sekjal almost everyone here is installed on Linux (the vast majority being Debian, I believe) 19:19 sekjal that would explain why 19:19 sekjal Syneran: very interesting 19:18 Syneran <ducks> am i gonna get egged now ;) 19:18 Syneran ok. well...that is certainly fair cait :) this installation is unusual in that it's on windows 7 19:16 cait more a problem with your installation 19:16 cait I don't think it#s a bug 19:16 rangi yeah i have libraries in production with 3.6.3 and they havent run into this 19:15 cait still wondering what's going wrong in your installation 19:15 cait Syneran: not sure about the code 19:14 Syneran cait: any idea how that field gets populated? the _koha_add_biblioitem doesn't make any reference to that field in it's query (that I can tell, anyway) 19:12 cait Syneran: a record needs a marcxml field 19:10 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 19:09 janPasi ok, thanks :) 19:09 liw janPasi, yeah, the latest stable version is almost certainly the best for your purposes 19:08 janPasi the latest stable? 19:08 janPasi which version should I choose? 19:08 janPasi I was wondering about this debian stuff... 19:08 Syneran i don't see how that execute() function could ever work if it doesn't provide some value for the marcxml field. the database does't seem to allow it 19:05 Syneran Graphics::Magick, Net::Server, Gravatar::URL, DBD::SQLite2 19:03 Syneran there are four that are not installed, though it was my understanding from koha_perl_deps that they were optional 19:03 cait something red there? 19:02 Syneran more > koha has a perl modules tab. It has a table of dependencies. 19:02 sekjal wizzyrea: done 19:01 nengard heh 19:01 wizzyrea it would not be the first time the two were confused. 19:01 nengard I'll put it in the manual, but it says self checkout - that could be assumed to be Koha's self check 19:01 wizzyrea go right ahead 19:01 nengard we might want to make that clearer 19:01 wizzyrea only for SIP 19:01 nengard the new AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout preference - is that only for self checkouts? 19:00 cait Syneran: you can find a table showing some of the dependencies under more > about koha 19:00 wizzyrea maybe you're missing a dependency? 18:59 cait we are using 3.6.3 in production and adding items and records works nicely there 18:59 wizzyrea sekjal should we change 3916 to "in disscussion" 18:59 rangi My stop bbiab 18:59 cait I wonder what's going wrong for you :( 18:58 Syneran I'm wondering if the execute() should handle the marcxml field somehow? 18:56 Syneran thanks rangi 18:56 rangi It won't it needs biblioitems too 18:56 sekjal Syneran: what fields are you filling in when cataloging the new material? 18:56 Syneran If I use the search feature, nothing shows up, though 18:54 Syneran biblio DOES have the item in it! 18:54 nengard how do i pull a branch in git? the manual says it's out of date on my 3.6 branch, but every command i try failes 18:54 rangi What about biblio? 18:54 sekjal hmmm 18:53 Syneran Yes, sekjal. Using the mysql client, that table is completely empty (the biblioitems table) 18:52 sekjal Syneran: you can confirm the information isn't getting saved in the database 18:52 Syneran i was "cataloging"...so is that trying to enter a bibliographic record? 18:52 Syneran i'm not sure...by that, I mean I'm not certain of the terminology (forgive me!) 18:51 cait Syneran: you added a bibliographic record first? 18:51 Syneran the item is not being added to the biblioitems table 18:51 sekjal Syneran: are you finding that the item doesn't get a cataloged at all, or just that you're getting errors in your log 18:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3264 major, P2, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Uncloning a dropdown list in MARC authorities/biblio editor may clear all subfields (see comment 17) 18:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6718 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , No manager_id saved for writeoff of fines 18:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7018 critical, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, Pushed to Master , need all acq permissions to search 18:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7545 blocker, P1 - high, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , can't edit items 18:50 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 3264 UnCloneField() / minus button in MARC editor can clear all subfields (authorities AND biblio) 18:50 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Bug 6718 No manager_id saved for writeoff fines. 18:50 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7018 - need all acq permissions to search 18:50 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7545: Can't edit items 18:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #630: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/630/ 18:49 Syneran does the marcxml get automagically generated at some point in the processing of an add item request? 18:49 Syneran the schema for biblioitems seems to require something for the marcxml column...otherwise adding a row gets rejected 18:48 wizzyrea oh never mind, it's the same one for additems. 18:48 wizzyrea in master. 18:48 wizzyrea though I just found another bareword error >< 18:47 sekjal just into biblioitems.marc 18:47 sekjal that subroutine doesn't insert anything into biblioitems.marcxml 18:47 Syneran that's what it seems like to me, as well, sekjal 18:46 sekjal this is taking place in _koha_add_biblioitem, which is a private subroutine for AddBiblio 18:46 Syneran since it's a toy, and not something marc records are accustomed too...are there any steps i should take to account for a non-standard item? 18:46 sekjal reading the code, it doesn't seem like a frameworks error 18:46 Syneran ok...i'll give it a try 18:45 wizzyrea maybe it's a prblem in the kits framework 18:45 wizzyrea hm try wit hthe default framework? 18:45 Syneran then followed "Kits" in framework drop-down 18:44 Syneran from mainpage.pl, i went to followed link for "add marc record" 18:43 Syneran and it's a toy, hehe...so I'm trying to add as a "kit" 18:43 Syneran i'm actually trying to add first item into catalog 18:43 Syneran so i may have messed it up 18:42 Syneran and i don't know much about marc records 18:42 Syneran no, i haven't edited frameworks 18:42 wizzyrea have you edited your frameworks? 18:42 wizzyrea perhaps you nuked a field you shouldn't have out of your framework 18:42 cait what steps? 18:42 cait Syneran: and how are you trying to catalog the item? 18:41 wizzyrea hey rangi :) 18:41 wizzyrea oh poo, opendns is canceling "Free" usage for all but home users 18:41 Syneran 3.06.03 18:41 cait oh 18:41 sekjal cait: jinx 18:41 cait which verison did you install? 18:41 sekjal Syneran: what version of Koha? 18:40 Syneran catalog an item 18:40 cait Syneran: what are you trying to do when that error shows up? 18:40 Syneran method executing [sql] not xml :/ 18:40 mbalmer re koha 18:40 Syneran The method that is executing the xml doesn't seem to include a value for marcxml, yet, it's specified as not null (with no allowed default value) in kohastructure.sql 18:39 cait morning rangi 18:39 rangi Sup crackalackas 18:39 Syneran Field 'marcxml' doesn't have a default value at Biblio.pm line 3454 18:38 Syneran Thanks! my error log is producing this error: 18:38 wizzyrea ;) 18:38 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) 18:38 wizzyrea @quote get 145 18:38 huginn wizzyrea: 7 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to..." 18:38 wizzyrea @quote search ask 18:37 wizzyrea :) 18:37 wizzyrea go ahead Syneran 18:37 Syneran I'm having a problem with install. Would this be the right place to bring it up? or should I post some where else? 18:37 Syneran Heya all. I'm new to IRC, in general, and this chat in particular. 18:37 cait wizzyrea++ 18:34 * cait thinks community Koha is very fancy :) 18:33 sekjal schuster: no they're on straight community Koha 18:32 wizzyrea schuster: I suspect they created those lists by hand with the name Reserve: Profname 18:32 francharb see ya 18:32 schuster OK so it isn't anything new and fancy... 18:32 francharb no more work for today! 18:32 sekjal and then create a News entry (manually) each semester to highlight them as shown 18:32 oleonard sekjal: Is that hard-coded into opacmainuserblock? 18:32 sekjal schuster: they use Lists 18:31 cait and hide all routing list things when the system preference is deactivated 18:31 cait I think it would make sense to be able to print, but not change them 18:31 cait serials: if I don't have routing permission, should i still be able to print routing lists? 18:31 cait I have a permission quesiton 18:31 cait oh 18:30 schuster so how did marlboro get the reserves lists setup? interesting... 18:30 oleonard edveal: http://www.screencast.com/t/9YoJiZUPc 18:30 wizzyrea there might be more i'm still looking :P 18:30 wizzyrea that went into opacusercss 18:30 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 99.109.57.55 pasted "for edveal" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/261 18:28 wizzyrea let me see if I can find what I did 18:28 wizzyrea edveal - I was able to restyle the buttons with css3 by hiding the images 18:28 sekjal oleonard++ (CSS3 is a great idea for those buttons. checkout catalog.marlboro.edu for an example, if you need) 18:27 edveal I like the idea of the patch! Would make my life much easier! :) 18:25 * oleonard inadvertently joins IRC channel #E3DB71 18:25 oleonard Or maybe I should spend the afternoon on a patch to style those buttons with CSS3... :P 18:24 edveal oleonard: that would be great. Here is the color code for the background #E3DB71. 18:23 oleonard ...and send it to you. 18:23 oleonard edveal: I can easily modify the cart/list button background image to make the corners match the color you want 18:22 edveal oleonard: darn. 18:22 oleonard edveal: I'm not a Gimp expert, but I think it may not be able to export the right kind of PNG image... 18:21 edveal oleonard: I also want to remove the blue outline from the Koha image. I know how to switch the image but not how to edit it. 18:20 Syneran Anyone have any experience with "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Field 'marcxml' doesn't have a default value" from biblio.pm (when cataloging an item)? 18:18 edveal Yes, I have opened the photoshop file and it when right to gimp. 18:17 oleonard edveal: Did you try opening the Photoshop file from my blog post? 18:16 chris_n bbl 18:15 chris_n ? 18:15 chris_n and then they pay 18:14 chris_n keep them 18:14 chris_n does it also follow that I can put anyone's card number in and check books out to them 18:14 * oleonard fires up Gimp 18:14 chris_n oleonard: sounds buggy to me 18:14 chris_n gmcharlt: lol 18:12 edveal I have a different background color and it looks funny? 18:12 edveal I am working on fixing the blue border. 18:11 oleonard edveal: Certainly. What are you trying to do? 18:11 * gmcharlt suffers a brief moment of existential crisis 18:11 edveal oleonard: I don't have much experience with graphic programs and only have access to Gimp and was wanting to work on the cart/list buttons. I read your blog but don't quite get what I need to do. Might you provide me some assistance? 18:11 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21, MARC21 STARES BACK INTO YOU!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:58 PM, January 30, 2012) 18:11 gmcharlt @quote random 18:10 oleonard That sound like a bug to anyone else? 18:10 oleonard Hmmmm... You can put in anyone's cardnumber and view their patron image in self-checkout 18:09 chris_n gmcharlt: we miss huginn 18:08 chris_n I think jcamins and I had a similar discussion recently 18:08 chris_n then it could be called from anywhere 18:08 chris_n really the functionality needs to be moved off to a pm 18:07 * chris_n seems to recall having this discussion long ago 18:07 chris_n ahh, yup, to avoid permissions issues 18:06 oleonard Instead it looks like we need to adapt sco-patron-image.pl for the opac 18:05 oleonard The patch attached to that bug (which was written by nengard) calls patronimage.pl in the staff client 18:04 chris_n am I missing what you're getting at? 18:04 chris_n rangi's patch does it right 18:04 chris_n nm 18:04 chris_n oh 18:04 chris_n oleonard: so what is that bug for? 18:03 chris_n in this case I'm not sure 18:03 chris_n exactly 18:03 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good 18:03 chris_n interesting 18:02 chris_n oleonard: looking 18:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #630 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:02 chris_n descriptive var names are another nice thought 18:01 sekjal and we can then correspondingly move to an HTML5-based template to take advantage of new data 18:01 oleonard chris_n: I assumed from the comments on Bug 3516 that it didn't (then), but I think that was a misunderstanding 18:00 sekjal part of our move to the Koha:: namespace could be consistent data objects with well-defined fields 18:00 chris_n it avoided a nasty file system permission issue which the general consensus stated was needful to avoid at the time I wrote the feature 17:59 chris_n oleonard: yes 17:59 chris_n and the marc editor is particularly gnarly iirc 17:59 oleonard Did the patron images feature always store images in the database? 17:58 slef sort of dirty work I did a little of ages ago that no-one ever wants to pay for and disrupts all outstanding patches 17:58 wizzyrea some of that is caused by the automated translation from htp to tt 17:58 chris_n consistent naming... now there's a novel idea 17:58 slef when your right hand is not off-by-one 17:58 slef refactoring even 17:58 slef refactirubg work 17:57 wizzyrea nice 17:57 wizzyrea yes, holy wow yes that would be so nie 17:57 oleonard that would require that we be consistent with regard to variable names :P 17:56 chris_n something to map vars from templates all the way back to db fields, etc. 17:56 chris_n re paul's email to the list 17:56 wizzyrea what do you mean 17:56 wizzyrea nomenclature cheat sheet? 17:56 cait ! 17:56 * cait misses a whole day 17:55 * chris_n wishes there were such a thing as a nomenclature cheat-sheet for koha 17:53 oleonard Myshkin is asleep on it 17:53 chris_n must be where ever mine is 17:53 * chris_n looks around for it 17:52 schuster where did my morning go... drat 17:52 wizzyrea (and it may be that the tests are broken now, too) 17:52 schuster made me nervous there for a minute.. That was an "enhancement" we put forward 3+ years ago1 17:52 wizzyrea or at least, it did in mine, but it might be due to my data possibly 17:51 wizzyrea paul_p: that patch causes some problems in the tests for serials 17:51 * chris_n can believe that some may need such assurance 17:51 cait sorry, i missed the questoin :( 17:51 schuster great in schools... That is you right... 17:51 * cait concentrates on her dinner again 17:51 cait oh 17:51 chris_n photo-id maybe? 17:51 * chris_n wonders why patrons would want to look at a picture of themselves while executing a self-checkout 17:51 * oleonard wonders how that relates to Bug 3516 17:51 oleonard You're right schuster, thanks 17:50 cait I think so the patron will see if he is himself? not sure :) 17:50 cait you can show them in the self check 17:50 cait if oyu use patron images 17:50 schuster ShowPatronImageInWebBasedSelfCheck ? 17:49 cait or it will probably have to be rebased again :( 17:49 sekjal paul_p: going to have to come back to this after lunch, though... getting too hungry to think straight 17:49 cait 7113 would be nice... 17:49 schuster I think there is a second one... just a sec 17:49 oleonard schuster: For the staff client. As far as I know it doesn't apply to self checkout 17:48 schuster oleonard - isn't there a syspref? 17:48 paul_p wizzyrea no problem 17:47 wizzyrea paul_p: I"m going to squash 7545 if that's ok 17:46 sekjal paul_p: that sounds reasonable 17:45 oleonard Is there a patch or bug for adding patron images to self checkout? 17:45 paul_p sekjal if you could concentrate on QAing biblibre patches, I think i and/or joubu will be able to deal with others tomorrow 17:45 paul_p fortunatly, tomorrow i'll be available for all the day. 17:44 paul_p and it's almost 7PM... 17:44 paul_p well, now i've 20 patches to test & push... 17:44 paul_p wizzyrea++ 17:44 paul_p sekjal++ 17:44 wizzyrea paul_p: i'm working on that right now 17:43 paul_p if you pass QA the 24 that are still waiting today i'll accept your apologizes :o) 17:43 sekjal I'm finally getting settled at my new job, so I had some time today to throw at QA work 17:43 sekjal paul_p: sorry for letting such a backlog build. 17:41 paul_p good job sekjal & marcelr & joubu 17:40 paul_p (18 today) 17:40 paul_p wow... 20 bugs passed QA recently... 17:40 chris_n is a bug that has been around too long 17:40 chris_n DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Data too long for column 'isbn' at row 1 at /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.3.2.labels//C4/Biblio.pm line 3378. 17:40 chris_n this: 17:40 paul_p if someone could signoff bug 7545, Koha would thank you : atm, serials module is badly broken... 17:39 * oleonard isn't sure my pony would be up to a 10-mile gallop each way 17:38 chris_n just think of the gas you'd save getting to work 17:38 chris_n yup; and food and hay 17:38 * wizzyrea thinks that the pony would also need a saddle 17:38 chris_n I suppose then that oleonard cannot be expected to pony-up? 17:37 * wizzyrea recognizes that one is a 123 17:37 wizzyrea hehe 17:36 chris_n or is that specie 17:36 chris_n oleonard: that's in the horse family rather than the bug family 17:36 * wizzyrea thinks that it is a definite bugfix to get oleonard a pony 17:36 * chris_n is trying to find time to get 3.6.4 cherry-picked :-P 17:36 oleonard What if I think it's a problem that I don't have a pony? 17:35 chris_n imho 17:35 chris_n but if it fixes a problem it is a bug even if it is an enh 17:35 chris_n having what is really a bug labeled as enh 17:35 * chris_n finds that is a not-so-uncommon occurrence 17:34 wizzyrea but it's labeled as enhancement 17:34 wizzyrea certainly it fixes a perceived "bug" 17:34 * sekjal has QA'ed up a storm. time for lunch 17:33 wizzyrea well NEKLS would like it to, but I don't know if it's a feature or a bugfix. 17:32 chris_n should it go into 3.6.4? 17:32 chris_n where's huginn when you need it? 17:31 chris_n wizzyrea: I don't recall.. I can't remember... 17:29 oleonard http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7090 17:29 wizzyrea chris_n did I already ask you about bug 7090 and 3.6.4? 17:28 oleonard An oversight, or just the way that library's policy worked? 17:28 francharb they may have open up a bugzilla tix 17:28 cait the reneals 17:28 cait I think it's out of scope 17:28 francharb and patched it 17:28 cait oleonard: they block circulation of new books instaff 17:28 francharb one of our library complain about it 17:28 francharb apparently not 17:28 francharb humm 17:28 oleonard I would think that OverduesBlockCirc should be blocking opac renewals already 17:26 francharb something like : OverduesBlockCirc but for the opac renewals 17:26 francharb but I think there should be a syspref to block patron from renewal on overdue books too 17:25 francharb renewalls limit 17:25 francharb to overide 17:25 francharb a syspref 17:25 francharb there is an option 17:25 cait but not sure 17:25 francharb I think so too 17:25 cait I think we have an option for 'over amount x can't renew' 17:25 cait and should be an option 17:25 cait I think it can't 17:24 oleonard I don't know that Koha can do that... 17:23 francharb yes 17:23 oleonard francharb: You think that if it's overdue one should not be able to renew? 17:23 francharb but thanks oleonard for the answer! 17:23 francharb it seems strange to me, that even if you allow renewals and set up rules, a patron can renew a book with overdues 17:22 * wizzyrea suspects that oleonard v2 is already done with production, and undergoing a growth cycle at the moment. They changed the name though. 17:22 oleonard You can set renewal limits (only renew X number of times) 17:21 francharb depends on what? if you allow renewals or not and if there are renewals rules, right? 17:20 oleonard Depends on a few things, but generally yes francharb 17:20 francharb can a patron renew a book if it's an overdue book? 17:19 wahanui niihau, francharb 17:19 francharb hi 17:15 wizzyrea hehe 17:15 oleonard Good, because I don't have another upgrade due for a while 17:14 * wizzyrea is annoyed at chrome, not at oleonard 17:13 wizzyrea oh passwords, that makes so much sense. <eyeroll> 17:13 wizzyrea I suspect you're right 17:12 oleonard s/be/bet 17:12 oleonard I'll be Chrome isn't clever enough to tell the difference between the Koha login form and the patron entry form 17:11 oleonard wizzyrea: Did you find it? Preferences -> Personal stuff -> Passwords. 17:05 cait that would have been to easy I guess? 17:04 cait oh :( 17:04 wizzyrea yea 17:04 oleonard I think auto-fill is different than auto-suggest 17:03 cait wizzyrea: perhaps there is something we can add to the field to prevent autofilling? like we did for the barcode fields? 17:03 gaetan_B bye! 17:03 wizzyrea where to clear that 17:03 wizzyrea is that I don't see, in chrome 17:03 wizzyrea but what *is* interesting 17:03 * oleonard swings, but the trout escapes 17:01 wizzyrea commence the trout slapping 17:01 wizzyrea it looks like my browser is autofilling it :( sorry 16:59 * oleonard readies a trout 16:59 wizzyrea ok, you may be able to slap me with a trout 16:58 oleonard Is it a javascript alert? 16:55 wizzyrea or intranetusercss 16:55 wizzyrea nothing in intranetuserjs 16:54 wizzyrea I don't think so but I will double check - seems odd that it would autopopulate with the generated cardnumber though 16:54 oleonard No custom javascript? Not browser-based auto-population? 16:54 wizzyrea right 16:53 oleonard wizzyrea: Before submission? In the otherwise blank entry form? 16:53 wizzyrea if anyone has an open solution suggestion I'm willing to take it (for that) 16:53 * wizzyrea curses at the lack of decent screencasting for linux. 16:52 chris_n ^^ for anyone interested in misc harmless errors during upgrade 16:52 wizzyrea and who knows what password 16:52 wizzyrea no, they are autopopulating with the generated cardnumber 16:52 pastebot "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted ""We are upgrading from Koha 3.03.00.003 to 3.06.03.000..." errors" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/260 16:51 oleonard wizzyrea: Sorry to ask, but you're sure there's nothing in the username/password fields before saving? 16:51 wizzyrea @quote add ***oleonard mutters, 'what do you mean there's already a Han Solo registered?' 16:50 * chris_n goes for another "We are upgrading from Koha 3.03.00.003 to 3.06.03.000..." run 16:50 * oleonard mutters, 'what do you mean there's already a Han Solo registered?' 16:48 wizzyrea later :) 16:48 mveron good bye everyone 16:47 wizzyrea ) 16:47 wizzyrea (bye 16:47 mbalmer bye folks, see you on the other side! 16:47 wizzyrea I can make it do it every time 16:47 wizzyrea it says "the following fields are mandatory: the passwords entered do not match" 16:46 * wizzyrea is using chrome on linux 16:46 wizzyrea maybe a chrome thing? 16:46 wizzyrea it appeared before 16:45 oleonard The *** in the password field appeared after you tried to save? 16:45 * oleonard still can't reproduce 16:44 wizzyrea so it shouldn't be anthing out of the ordinary 16:44 wizzyrea this DB came from the sample data + some bibs. 16:43 wizzyrea should be standard. 16:43 wizzyrea minpasswordlength set to 3... 16:42 wizzyrea required, I mean 16:42 wizzyrea this is my defaults: zipcode|surname|cardnumber 16:42 wizzyrea hmmm 16:41 oleonard Me too 16:41 wizzyrea DO 16:41 wizzyrea mine's set to                                                                                       Do 16:41 wizzyrea do you have automembernum set 16:41 wizzyrea ah oleonard 16:41 oleonard I have autoMemberNum set to "Do" 16:40 wizzyrea not sure... let me check my preferences 16:38 oleonard I wonder what's different 16:38 * oleonard is able to save just fine 16:36 wizzyrea letme double check that 16:36 wizzyrea just surname and zip 16:36 oleonard What required fields do you have defined? 16:36 wizzyrea when i clicked save, it told me my passwords didnt match 16:36 oleonard wizzyrea: And you were blocked from saving? 16:33 wizzyrea and ther were 4 stars in the 1st password box 16:33 wizzyrea the login, I mean 16:33 wizzyrea in my case it was populated with the auto generated card number? 16:33 wizzyrea ) 16:33 wizzyrea (or whatever the affirmative button says 16:33 chris_n interesting: http://www.unixmen.com/linuxmint-vs-ubuntu-a-growth-analysis/ 16:33 wizzyrea was create a new patron, put in the required fields, do nothing to the login/password, and click Save 16:32 wizzyrea well what I did 16:32 oleonard wizzyrea, if you're still around, any suggestions about testing Bug 7549? 16:31 jcamins cait: yes please. :) 16:31 cait jcamins: do you want a photo? :) 16:26 cait but the one I tasted didn't taste too different 16:26 cait ended up eating the normal potatoes 16:26 cait I didn't eat them yesterday 16:25 jcamins Do they taste like regular potatoes? 16:25 jcamins More violet potatoes? 16:25 * cait is peeling violet potatos 16:22 mbalmer cait, mveron learning about IRC ;) 16:22 jcamins cait: Myshkin fell asleep in my lapt, putting my legs to sleep, and making it difficult for me to eat lunch before I leave. 16:22 * mveron thanks mbalmer for IRC smiling instructions 16:22 wizzyrea can you reschedule? 16:22 wizzyrea hm that may not be long enough for myshkin's nap 16:22 cait what did I miss? :) 16:21 * mbalmer things, mveron should to be told about /me ... 16:21 jcamins I need to leave in forty minutes. Myshkin has climbed into my lap and fallen sound asleep. 16:20 wizzyrea (he's getting better) 16:20 * mbalmer and smiles 16:20 wizzyrea but ultimately conquered by the little man 16:20 * mbalmer looks at mveron.. 16:20 oleonard :( 16:20 wizzyrea possibly the most alarming influenza/pneumonia thing we've seen yet. 16:19 wizzyrea *nods* you know the drill :) 16:19 * oleonard sends Popsicles 16:19 wizzyrea er, s/day/week/ 16:19 * wizzyrea has been home with a sick kid all day 16:19 wizzyrea stupid guest. 16:18 wizzyrea hmm I'm not sure 16:16 oleonard mveron: You have to use some combination of item type and patron category. Koha doesn't have any circulation limitations based on age or rating 16:14 mveron How can we prevent under aged patrons to check out such media without using tons patron categories? 16:14 mveron We have media rated by different age, e.g. 12, 14, 15 years old. 16:11 oleonard A system pref I'm not aware of? 16:11 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm looking at Bug 7549 (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7549) but I don't know where the auto generated user name and passwords are coming from 16:10 * oleonard glares at Guest2198 16:10 * wizzyrea waves 16:07 reiveune bye 16:00 oleonard A system pref I'm not aware of? 16:00 oleonard I'm looking at Bug 7549 (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7549) but I don't know where the auto generated user name and passwords are coming from 15:58 jcamins So she doesn't feel like she wasted the effort. 15:58 * jcamins makes a snarky comment about her. 15:58 jcamins lol 15:57 oleonard She changes her nick to see if we talk about her behind her back 15:57 jcamins Yeah, probably is. 15:57 jcamins Ah. 15:56 oleonard I'm assuming it's wizzyrea 15:56 jcamins Who's Guest2198? 15:56 oleonard Guest2198 around? 15:55 jcamins Well, I don't know where he was, but he must've been pretty close to the closet where we keep his food. 15:54 oleonard When I had cats they would get a crazed look in their eyes around tuna 15:53 kf ok, leaving - bye all! 15:53 kf don't tell him 15:53 kf sssh 15:53 jcamins Or, at least, pretend he's feeding Myshkin more. 15:53 oleonard Or open a can of tuna? 15:53 * jcamins goes to feed Myshkin more. 15:53 jcamins I was actually just thinking I should do that. 15:52 jcamins kf: lol 15:52 kf jcamins: shake the package with the dried cat food? 15:51 jcamins But I'd like to know where he is. 15:50 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 7238 - make packages deal with SIP config 15:50 jenkins_koha * juan.sieira: Previous and next functions are not used, since this code was removed from mas_subfields_structure.pl 15:50 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7080 - Revised - Clean up interface on fine payment screens 15:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #629: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/629/ 15:49 jcamins (and gone into hiding so he wouldn't get in trouble for it) 15:49 jcamins (and when I came home, he had opened the basement door) 15:48 jcamins Oh, he's in hiding because he knows he isn't allowed into the basement. 15:48 kf where did you loose him? 15:48 kf myshkin is missing?? 15:48 jcamins What a nuisance. 15:47 jcamins Myshkin is missing. 15:47 kf for unimarc-to-marc21 15:46 kf but it seems to work well enough 15:46 kf I haven't looked at it - could be too traumatic :) 15:43 mbalmer yes. 15:43 kf I think the unimarc to marc21 is based on work from biblibre 15:43 mbalmer … file is crazy ;) 15:43 kf so we should fix it and make it go in 15:43 mbalmer he who wrote that XSLT fk 15:43 kf it is super-cool 15:43 slef cool, looks like facebook spam's been deleted already 15:42 mbalmer bug 6536 15:42 jcamins Isn't it super-cool? :) 15:42 mbalmer yes 15:42 jcamins Are we talking about marcelr's super-cool Z39.50/SRU processing patch? 15:41 mbalmer a, found it. 15:41 mbalmer hmm, I don't find that xsl file.. 15:41 slef jcamins_away: said wise words 15:40 jcamins_away slef: what did I do? 15:40 slef jcamins_away++ 15:39 * slef goes to see if someone else has removed it 15:39 slef oh wow. Did someone really post a whitney scam link to koha's facebook page? 15:38 jcamins_away I loathe driving, bu it sure can be convenient to have a car at times. 15:37 kf it's all in the comments on the bug 15:37 kf mbalmer: a working unimarc to marc21 xslt is needed to make it move forward 15:37 mbalmer what is that problem? 15:37 kf mbalmer: it's only stuck because there is a problem with unimarc :( 15:37 oleonard Re-educating him on the new Bugzilla statuses 15:36 slef oleonard: lobotomy? 15:36 mbalmer perfect! 15:36 kf mbalmer: yes, you can define one for each z39.50 target 15:36 * oleonard hopes huginn is offline for re-education 15:35 slef gmcharlt: could you restart huginn please? 15:34 kf slef: on vacation? I hoped for gmcharlt to show up 15:34 wahanui huginn is a bot too veera, not a person 15:34 slef where's huginn? 15:34 kf yes 15:34 kf a description with test plan is on the wiki 15:34 kf it's included in the sru bug :) 15:34 mbalmer can the stylesheet be defined on a per server base? 15:33 kf bug 6536 15:33 kf slef,mveron: I tested with some easay transformations, it works great, there is only a problem with the unimarc stylesheet 15:33 mbalmer that sounds like what we are looking for. 15:33 slef kf: got link? 15:33 kf slef: also interesting for you too perhaps, allows applying a stylesheet to incoming marc21 records via z39.50 15:32 kf mveron: there is an enhancement waiting for some more tests 15:32 * oleonard finds it strange that the border and background don't wrap the same way the text does 15:28 slef but I guess they can just set 0 other-people's tags 15:28 slef but yours isn't bad... doesn't solve for screen readers though, you're right 15:28 slef lets you guess the clickable area more easily 15:28 slef no I meant as well on the blue on whites 15:27 oleonard You would prefer a border to the white-on-blue? 15:26 slef oleonard: are the blue-on-white ones the other tags? If so, dotted border would work. 15:24 slef oleonard: I think in the past we've resorted to having global/user/combined tag clouds, but that's not great. 15:24 slef oleonard: colour combined with dotted underline? 15:24 * oleonard considered this, but that doesn't help the user of a screen reader http://screencast.com/t/0PP8FXpiKF4I 15:23 oleonard The use of color as a distinguishing element seems not universally friendly to me 15:23 oleonard slef: I wonder if you have any opinion on the usability of tag clouds? I'm struggling with a way to present a tag cloud in a way that distinguishes the user's tags from others' tags. 15:22 mveron Finally it was done in a couple of minutes... I just had to find out how. Thanks fpr your support :-) 15:22 kf yay :) 15:22 mveron kf: Just wanted to tell that I scceeded with the update, including German language 15:21 * mbalmer waits for that, too .. 15:21 * slef waits for the howls telling him this was all fixed in 3.6 15:20 slef mveron: Last time I looked (3.0), that's a tricky one. I've pondered an enhancement to read the MARC over z39.50, convert to marcxml, run through a XSL Transformation, then use the transformed record. I don't think I've even got as far as an RFC for that yet. Got any funding? 15:19 kf mveron: in a bit 15:17 mveron Question about z39.50 import: how can we map fields from imported data to our custom framework, e.g. 003 to 040? 15:14 * mbalmer likes mveron's IP address ;) 15:13 mveron kf around? 15:13 mveron hello everybody 15:13 wahanui salut, mveron 15:13 mveron mbalmer: hello 15:12 mbalmer hallo mveron! 15:12 * oleonard is running out of time to dredge up his knowledge of French from high school... 15:03 mbalmer paul_p. tnx fer info! 15:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #629 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:47 janPasi hmm... maybe i'll go with debian afterall 14:36 kf paul_p: I have edited the google docs :) 14:36 janPasi all the servers that i maintain are still running slackware, though ;) 14:35 paul_p kf yep 14:35 janPasi i'm currently running ubuntu based mint lxde on my laptop, so i know ubuntu pretty well 14:34 janPasi i've been thinking of maybe switching to ubuntu 11.04 LTS 14:34 kf there are Debian packages... 14:33 kf I think Debian is probably the easiest, Ubuntu is easy too 14:33 janPasi they just don't seem to work well together :( 14:33 janPasi but i've been having massive problems with new slackware and new koha versions 14:32 janPasi i've been using slackware because i pefer it's simplicity 14:32 janPasi which distro would you guys recommend for running koha? 14:30 kf paul_p: around? :) 14:29 jcamins_away schuster++ 14:20 magnuse jcamins++ 14:13 nengard thanks jcamins 14:06 jcamins Isn't that convenient... makes it easy to test! 14:06 jcamins A detailed test plan, too. 14:04 jcamins nengard: I wrote a detailed commit message for bug 7284 so that it'll be easy to incorporate information about it into the manual. 13:30 slef @later tell Amit_Gupta please say what you want to say and I'll read it later, or email me. 13:25 paul_p hi back from lunch 13:12 magnuse Bug 7284 - Authority matching algorithm improvements http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 12:43 kf gmcharlt: around? 12:42 kf huginn missing? 12:42 wahanui i heard bug 7284 was the first step to making that happen. 12:42 kf bug 7284 12:42 jcamins I will also write an executive summary. 12:42 * jcamins is rebasing 7284 and squashing in the follow up this morning. 12:41 jcamins Hello. 12:41 kf hi jcamins_away 12:27 jcamins_away marcelr++ # lists permissions patches 12:27 jcamins_away Whoah! 12:03 kf :) 12:02 slef kf_mtg: wow I'd not noticed old_reserves before 12:01 kf_mtg using a runtime parameter for the cardnumber/borrowernumbr 12:01 kf_mtg slef: a report on old_reserves? 11:41 slef hdl: if it's not there, we might get funding to add the feature and do some related cleanup. We're bidding for all sorts of projects again. 11:40 hdl the whole hold Module amkes ppl run away. slef patches welcome 11:29 slef ah, now you see that's a harder question, so people run away ;) 11:22 slef trying again: hi all. Is there a way to see the past holds for a patron? 11:22 slef thanks hdl and sorry 11:22 slef my fault 11:22 slef wrong question 11:08 hdl page. 11:08 hdl circulation history 10:59 slef hi all. Is there a way to see the past loans for a patron? 10:43 gaetan_B hi Amit_Gupta ! i'm here :) 10:42 Amit_Gupta heya hdl 10:41 hdl hi Amit_Gupta 10:38 Amit_Gupta gaetan_B around??? 10:24 * kf nick kf_mtg 10:01 kf paul_p: and very easy to make mistakes when manually adding rules :( 10:01 kf paul_p: the main problem with the interface is, that if you have a lot of rules it's very hard to spot problems or missing combinations 09:56 kf hm sleepy bot? :) 09:56 kf bug 4530 09:55 kf not missing some combination by accident 09:55 kf paul_p: and there is a bug report about default rules not working correctly sometimes - I always do all combinations explicitly - makes it easier later to change them 09:54 kf what you can do is copy rules from one branch to another 09:54 kf no it doesnt :( 09:53 paul_p you're right, but that doesn't exist yet too ;-) 09:52 kf paul_p: perhaps some import/export as we have now for frameworks would make things easier 09:49 kf perhaps a csv import option 09:49 kf hm 09:48 kf calc > csv > some regex/search&replace > mysql 09:48 kf I do them in calc and load them with sql 09:48 kf sorry, but it is 09:48 kf yes, the interface is crap 09:48 paul_p that's true. But when you're a 55 branches library, with 8 itemtypes and 12 patron categories... 09:48 kf what we need is an option to edit rules 09:47 kf adding something like that would only make it more error prone and very confusing (in my eyes) 09:47 kf and you can configure every possilbe combination 09:47 kf you don't enter circulation rules every day 09:47 kf I think it works correctly 09:47 kf no 09:47 paul_p (and probably some space for an improvement that would say "if there is nothing entered, use a more generic rule". 0 NOT being "nothing" 09:47 kf paul_p: I think inheritance for single values would make it very very very confusing 09:46 wahanui bad news is that you're probably royally screwed 09:46 paul_p bad news... 09:44 * kf adds a big brown bear to the list of her new coworkers 09:43 kf when you leave max checkouts empty = unlimited, leaving maxreserves empty = no holds 09:43 kf but it's either none or unlimited 09:43 kf there are some inconsistencies about that (sadly) 09:43 kf if you leave it empty it will either mean unlimited or none 09:43 kf but none for dvds the general rule will work 09:42 kf and a general rule 09:42 kf so if you have a rule for books 09:42 kf but only for rules 09:42 kf there is 09:42 kf there are some inconsistencies here I am not so happy about, but no inheritance 09:42 paul_p so there is no inheritance at all ? 09:42 paul_p For example, issuinglength=21, qty=7, hold = nothing is entered for BOOKS 09:42 kf no 09:42 paul_p kf it's about issuingrules. When you enter nothing for a given value in issuingrules, shouldn't it mean "set null, so the usable value will be retrieved from the more general rule". 09:40 kf paul_p: what's your question? 09:40 kf [OFF] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Thursday 09:40 magnuse hm, something in the water, perhaps? ;-) 09:39 kf magnuse: my breakfast was ok... but the others are acting strange 09:39 * magnuse was wondering if kf had put something strange in her breakfast... 09:39 kf yes 09:38 paul_p kf a few minuts for a functionnal question ? 09:29 kf paul_p: red straw hat and colorful scarf now... my coworkers wouldn't let me escape :) 08:41 kf but the idea is good 08:40 kf things formthe bakery... 08:40 paul_p (could work if you've a colored shirt ;-) ) 08:40 paul_p kf put sweets on your ears, your hairs, and become a "sweet tree" or something like that ;-) 08:37 kf I brought sweets... hopefully that will keep me safe 08:37 kf like myself - I kinda forgot to take care of a costume 08:37 paul_p kf and you, what do you look like ? 08:37 francharb hi kf 08:37 kf hi francharb 08:37 kf and an escapee (from jail) 08:29 kf and a knight 08:29 kf oh 08:28 kf today is the day all Konstanz goes crazy 08:28 paul_p [OFF] well done PTFS. If HLT answer your letter positively, it means we consider your IPO as valid. Fortunatly, it was a little bit easy to spot... (http://koha-community.org/update-3-nz-koha-trademark/) 08:28 kf it is 08:28 hdl kf frightening. 08:27 Suzzane let me talk to the programmer 08:27 Suzzane ok.... 08:27 paul_p if yes, what's the difference between now (don't work) and the time it worked ? that can be a change in your configuration, or an invalid data added 08:26 kf my coworkers transformed over night... I amworking now with a cowboy, a carrot, a hairy monster, a rabbit and an alien 08:26 kf morning paul_p 08:26 paul_p Suzzane did it work ? 08:26 kf hi again #koha 08:23 Suzzane what might have happened coz the programmer has no idea 08:23 Suzzane ops!!!! 08:22 paul_p Suzzane that's where it's tricky = I have no concrete suggestion to do... 08:19 Suzzane sorry, what do i tell him to do? 08:18 Suzzane where do i tell out programmer to do? 08:16 Suzzane paul, i lost you..... 08:15 gaetan_B hello #koha :) 08:09 Suzzane is it possible to handle the error? 08:08 Suzzane ok... 08:08 Suzzane please guide me 08:08 Suzzane Paul, what do i do? 08:08 paul_p one of them being that your zebra database is not synched correctly with your SQL DB 08:08 paul_p Suzzane : it's one of the trickiest error you can get... can be caused by *many* things. 07:58 Suzzane Paul, what to do? 07:58 Suzzane This is the first error when you search all libraries:: Software error: Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 1488. The second error when you narrow the search to a specific library is still the same: Software error: Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 148 07:57 hdl shorter and shorter in NZ 07:57 hdl hi magnuse 07:57 Suzzane let me copy paste the error 07:57 Suzzane and error is cropping up 07:56 Suzzane we are trying to search in OPAC 07:56 magnuse paul_p: here too! and 3x yay for that! 07:56 paul_p Suzzane what's your problem ? 07:56 paul_p magnuse there's something new that is undoubtfull, at least here = the day is longer and longer ! 07:56 magnuse kia ora hdl! 07:55 Suzzane i need your help 07:55 magnuse hm, not much 07:55 Suzzane Hi Paul-p 07:55 paul_p hi magnuse. What's new ? 07:55 magnuse bonjour paul_p 07:53 paul_p good morning #koha 07:49 Suzzane Hi Julian 07:49 julian_m hi 07:45 wahanui what's up, alex_a 07:45 alex_a bonjour 07:44 mib_tt23k0 did you check your database? 07:42 Suzzane ops!!! cant be of much help here 07:42 mib_neg20l suzzane 07:39 mib_neg20l no one anwser my Qn 07:39 mib_neg20l my problem is No items available in opac 07:38 indradg morning #koha 07:37 magnuse kia ora #koha! 07:36 Suzzane am customizing koha for our library use 07:36 wahanui somebody said reiveune was working for biblibre 07:36 mib_neg20l reiveune 07:35 mib_neg20l you custemize koha 07:34 Suzzane hopefully will be a guru then that i will lender my advisory services 07:34 mib_neg20l hi 07:34 Suzzane am also a learner 07:34 Suzzane Hi Mib 07:34 wahanui bonjour, reiveune 07:34 reiveune hello 07:27 mib_neg20l Suzzane 07:26 mib_neg20l No items available in opac do you know my error 07:25 mib_neg20l hey 07:04 mib_tt23k0 can anyone help me with koha v3 marc_word thing. I am new to koha v3. My marc_word table seems to be corrupted, is it possible to rebuild it from other table? I googled but I only find scripts for koha v2.2 only. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Also welcome to reply me through mbsit@mbs.org.my 06:34 Suzzane Hi mib-owuink 06:24 Judit1 nks 06:24 Judit1 tha 06:22 eythian I don't think you can do that. Least, I've never heard of it. 06:21 Judit1 the email goes to the first available meail address, no 06:21 Judit1 if i have a child patron with a parent patron: can i set koha to send the first overdue warning to the child, and the second notice to do parent? 05:27 cait hi Amit_Gupta 05:27 Amit_Gupta heya cait 05:07 cait evening eythian 05:06 eythian hi cait 04:58 cait morning #koha 04:17 Schuster12 besides me to the nutty bin that is. 04:17 Schuster12 well that might be it for me tonight. Tomorrow i have great hopes of committing something! 04:10 wizzyrea and if you can't remember it, it's in koha-conf.xml 04:09 wizzyrea just log in with your koha db user/pass 04:09 wizzyrea you'd need to update the database 04:09 wizzyrea well yea 04:02 Schuster12 I just want to download and test 7284 to see how it works... but now I think I'm stuck again. I downloaded the patchs but there is installing stuff... 03:59 wizzyrea git bz enables my laziness. 03:59 wizzyrea it's totally worth the time to figure out why it's broken 03:59 wizzyrea oh but the git bz stuff will make your life so much better. 03:54 Schuster12 I guess... I'm going to try the manual process until I have a chance to work more on the git bz stuff - one step at a time. 03:53 eythian presumably you haven't symlinked it to somwhere in your path. 03:52 Schuster12 I tried that but I must have something botched up someplace 03:49 wahanui git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 03:49 eythian wahanui: git bz 03:48 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 03:48 eythian you need to install it first 03:46 Schuster12 So I have to do the "manual" process..?? 03:45 Schuster12 with I did git bz apply 7284 it told me bz is not a git command so i must not have something in BZ right. 03:43 Schuster12 so 7284 is the bug 03:36 Amit_Gupta hi bag 03:35 wahanui somebody said bug 7284 was the first step to making that happen. 03:35 schuster bug 7284 03:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements 03:35 schuster so I was looking at bug 7284 03:24 * wizzyrea forgot that 03:24 rangi yup 03:24 wizzyrea it does in fact go that granular, which is nice. 03:24 wizzyrea or "edit notice" permissions 03:23 schuster oops wrong window, 03:23 wizzyrea you *could* just take away their tools permissions :P 03:23 rangi i wont fire you, ill punish the entire world instead 03:23 schuster google.com 03:23 rangi exactly 03:23 wizzyrea and 03:23 wizzyrea someone will have a personnel problem they don't want to deal with 03:23 rangi yes 03:23 wizzyrea i'm sure it could come up someday 03:22 rangi cool :) 03:21 wizzyrea on the bug 03:21 wizzyrea yea, that's what I just said 03:11 rangi cos i think its fine, thats the current situation 03:10 rangi everyone who has permissions to edit notices that is? 03:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , User Configurable Slips 03:10 wizzyrea regarding bug 7001, does anyone have an opinion on that last comment (is it ok when we do not have independent brances that everyone can edit notices for all branches) 01:28 wizzyrea let me count the ways 01:28 wizzyrea how much better has my life gotten since git bz 01:03 jcamins_away Very. I don't use acq though. 01:00 wizzyrea also, jebus this is time consuming. 00:57 wizzyrea does anyone else find adding baskets in acquisitions kind of... awkward?