Time Nick Message
23:57 jcamins Put "-v all" in those quotes.
23:57 lculber okay
23:56 jcamins (I'm still deciding what to put in there.
23:55 jcamins Should be around line 100.
23:55 jcamins Open up rebuild_zebra.pl and find the "$zebraidx_log_opt = ''" line.
23:55 jcamins Okay, let's try a different modification.
23:53 jcamins zebraidx--
23:51 jcamins Okay... is it possible that the change to rebuild_zebra didn't do what we wanted?
23:49 * jcamins was hoping.
23:49 jcamins There's not even an error message back in the export.
23:48 jcamins That's *really* weird.
23:48 * jcamins is looking.
23:48 jcamins Hrm.
23:48 lculber yes. I just emailed it to you
23:47 jcamins Well, at least the word had the right number of 'a's and 's's.
23:46 jcamins *address
23:46 jcamins You have my e-mail message. :)
23:46 jcamins lculber: sure.
23:46 lculber Could I send it to you and you do it?
23:45 YoungPublicLibrarian Thanks, we will acutally move to the new system in march. Right now we have a test site up and are looking at it for training...we're both excited and nervous!
23:45 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: congratulations!
23:45 jcamins lculber: can you share it via a public dropbox or the like?
23:44 YoungPublicLibrarian my library is just getting ready to convert to Koha...We are currently using Voyager/ExLibris.
23:44 lculber the rebuild log is 109K
23:43 eythian all of it is best
23:42 lculber he/the/
23:42 lculber The whole thing or just he last part? The rest is just the numbers of biblios.
23:41 eythian lculber: can you post the output somewhere?
23:41 jcamins Hm.
23:41 lculber nothing. and our indexes have been empty
23:41 jcamins That's not even as much as you got before
23:41 jcamins *nothing*?
23:40 lculber Before it has Records exported: 1048688. REINDEXING zebra Cleaning Then nothing else
23:40 jcamins There's going to be a lot.
23:40 jcamins lculber: I'm interested in the part under REINDEXING zebra.
23:39 lculber jcamins: at the end of the the it shows CLEANING and then nothing. Just like before.
23:38 jcamins lculber: yup.
23:38 wahanui jcamins there are lots of tools - i use screenflow
23:38 lculber jcamins there?
23:16 jcamins lculber: okay, good.
23:15 jcamins eythian: thanks. That's what I thought.
23:15 lculber jcamins: Okay. Now I am getting the biblio numbers just like I do in a normal rebuild in the rebuild.log
23:15 eythian jcamins: fwiw, with the default zebra config in koha, quotes don't break things
23:15 jcamins Is there anything in ~/rebuild.log now?
23:14 jcamins Exactly.
23:14 lculber jcamins: So /usr/share/catalog/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -r -v > ~/rebuild.log
23:14 eythian I'm almost done with updating/rebuilding my zebra stuff
23:13 melia okey doke
23:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , searches with quotation marks don't work
23:13 jcamins melia: well, I'm going to assume you are since all reports point to bug 7518 applying only to ICU-enabled installations.
23:12 melia not sure jcamins. sorry
23:12 jcamins melia: do you know if you're using ICU on your VM?
23:12 jcamins So if you Ctrl-C it, we'll start over with the -v.
23:11 jcamins lculber: yeah, but we need the output.
23:11 lculber jcamins: I think it is still running. It looks like it is
23:11 jcamins >.>
23:11 jcamins <.<
23:11 eythian oh, of course
23:11 jcamins Or it's possible that I've been doing my zebra testing with a hacked up version.
23:11 * jcamins looks embarrassed.
23:11 jcamins Add "-v" to the command I gave you earlier.
23:10 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.6�C (12:09 AM CET on February 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035.1 hPa (Steady).
23:10 cait @wunder Konstanz
23:10 jcamins Yeah, it was required for any output at all.
23:10 eythian I don't recall it doing anything different
23:10 eythian it did?
23:10 jcamins The -v switch did something different.
23:10 jcamins This is 3.4.
23:10 jcamins Hit Ctrl-C.
23:10 jcamins I know what it is.
23:10 jcamins Wait...
23:10 jcamins That's very weird.
23:10 eythian that's weird
23:10 jcamins Hm.
23:09 lculber eythian: the screen on the rebuild just shows the command
23:08 jcamins eythian: ooh, could be.
23:08 eythian maybe everything goes to stderr
23:08 eythian what's on the screen of the rebuild?
23:08 jcamins Entirely?
23:07 jcamins It's empty?
23:07 lculber jcamins: so far rebuild log is empty
23:07 jcamins Agreed.
23:07 eythian it should just add the 'log' part back in. Then -v -v -v for having all
23:06 jcamins eythian: ya think?!?
23:06 eythian hmm, -v -v is a bit over the top, you're right
23:04 jcamins No, better to do rebuild_zebra in situ.
23:04 eythian this'll give you research data at the least
23:04 eythian probably not
23:03 lculber should I try to do the move or any of the other scripts first?
23:03 jcamins (so you can see what it's doing)
23:03 jcamins Then in a different window run tail -f ~/rebuild.log
23:02 eythian odd, it doesn't know what happened
23:02 jcamins lculber: okay, now we want to run: misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -r > ~/rebuild.log
23:02 eythian [12306] connected.
23:02 eythian [12305] Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.oftc.net (173.225.186.74)...
23:02 eythian [12305] </#koha> jcamins: that doesn't look right
23:02 eythian [12304] exchange got response(that doesn't look right)
23:02 cait bad jcamins, no cookie for you ;)
23:01 jcamins eythian: I did.
23:01 lculber Okay done
23:01 eythian jcamins: did you just crash wahanui?
23:00 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right
23:00 jcamins Change that to "-v none,fatal,warn,all"
23:00 jcamins Yes.
23:00 lculber my $zebraidx_log_opt = " -v none,fatal,warn ";
22:59 jcamins Somewhere in rebuild_zebra.pl is a line that looks something like "-v none,warn" -- do you see that?
22:56 jcamins Lemme identify the change.
22:56 jcamins Okay, we're going to make a small change to rebuild_zebra and then try a rebuild.
22:55 lculber 6 minutes
22:55 lculber At 5PM CST
22:55 * jcamins likes to check, just to be sure.
22:55 lculber right. Not a space issue. Its a weirdness issue
22:55 jcamins When will you be able to do a rebuild?
22:55 jcamins There's something we're missing here.
22:54 jcamins Okay, it's not a disk space issue.
22:54 lculber we have space 80GB hard drive in there that is empty
22:54 maximep but then again, I need a bit of energy to rant agains the translating system
22:54 eythian ah right
22:54 eythian jcamins: well, it's a bit early in the morning for me, but I can try :)
22:54 jcamins Drawing it out helped.
22:54 jcamins Never mind.
22:54 jcamins eythian: are you awake enough to help me with a truth table?
22:53 maximep i'm so tired i'm doing koha translations
22:53 jcamins Didn't they?
22:53 jcamins maximep: someone added that.
22:53 jcamins I'm so tired I apparently can't handle truth tables.
22:53 maximep id like something that shows the biblionumber when one fails to rebuild
22:53 jcamins Ugh.
22:53 jcamins maximep: agreed.
22:52 maximep :p
22:52 maximep so maybe we need a -v, a -v -v and a -v -v -v
22:52 eythian (I just did a rebuild of 40,000 records with 863MB free :)
22:52 jcamins How much space on /var?
22:51 lculber We wanted room to grow and that' where it sits
22:51 jcamins That's a lot of space.
22:51 jcamins lculber: definitely enough space!
22:51 eythian that's a very huge /tmp
22:50 lculber jcamins: my bad. 312G in /tmp
22:50 cait ...
22:50 jcamins cait: what time is it?
22:50 * cait waves
22:50 jcamins What about on /var?
22:49 jcamins Actually, you don't need that much space on /tmp.
22:49 * jcamins looks closer.
22:49 jcamins Hm. That should be enough for it to at least get part of the way through.
22:49 lculber jcamins: we have about 12G in tmp
22:48 jcamins That will fail completely silently.
22:48 eythian t
22:48 eythian ohh, good though
22:48 jcamins lculber: how much disk space do you have left on /tmp?
22:47 eythian rename it to "biblios_broken" or something
22:47 jcamins Agreed.
22:47 eythian lculber: exactly, yeah
22:47 eythian -v gives some output for me, but not as much as I'd like
22:47 lculber eythian: moving it out of the way. - you mean maybe renaming so it will go to a different place on the drive or what?
22:47 jcamins I mean, it provides the super-brief output.
22:47 wahanui rebuild_zebra is already there but only every 10 mins....
22:47 jcamins rebuild_zebra.
22:47 eythian on what command?
22:47 jcamins On the other hand, -v doesn't provide any output at all.
22:46 eythian heh
22:46 jcamins Remind me never to use -v -v again.
22:46 eythian perhaps try moving the whole zebra database out of the way and creating a new one
22:45 lculber I could try that zebraidx -c /path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg drop biblios again too maybe
22:45 jcamins lculber: it's worth a try.
22:44 eythian lculber: it might help, hard to say. It probably won't make things worse.
22:44 eythian it's very tedious, but was helpful.
22:44 lculber I found zebraidx -c /etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg -g iso2709 -d biblios init on http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/resetzebra.html would that help?
22:44 eythian In order to solve a similar problem
22:44 eythian Some time long in the past, I edit rebuild zebra to output the commands it was running, and did it all by hand.
22:43 lculber Right
22:43 eythian http://paste.koha-community.org/248 <-- that was the output
22:43 jcamins I can't think of *any* explanation for this.
22:42 eythian oh right
22:42 lculber Yes this is 3.4
22:42 jcamins This is 3.4, right?
22:42 jcamins eythian: but this is on 3.4.
22:42 eythian Some recent change to rebuild_zebra has stopped it outputting a lot of useful diagnostics I think.
22:42 lculber We've run a diff on the scripts and they appear to be the same
22:42 jcamins (not what you wanted to hear, I know)
22:42 jcamins That's an original.
22:42 jcamins Wow.
22:41 lculber It has been doing the records as they have been cataloged, yes. But when we do the -r, it cleans the database, and then stops. It never rebuilds the index
22:40 jcamins Oh, so it even works with -z?
22:40 lculber We also have been cataloging all day, so the permissions in zebra itself work. Its the rebuild that is broken
22:40 * jcamins doesn't know why, but if /dev/null isn't world writable, Zebra does weird things.
22:39 jcamins So it's not permissions on /dev/null
22:39 jcamins That rules out a systemic Zebra problem.
22:39 jcamins Okay.
22:38 lculber 2 instances on the same machine with the same data reindexed successfully
22:38 jcamins Oh, but is there another instance on this machine that successfully reindexed?
22:37 lculber 3.6 is on another machine than the 3.4 instances
22:37 jcamins To clarify, I meant Zebra database.
22:37 jcamins 3.6 running in parallel on the same machine?
22:37 lculber We copied the database over to the other instances and reindexed them there - no problem. So I don't think it is the database. Also did it in 3.6 with no problem
22:37 jcamins Did anything change between when it worked and when it didn't?
22:36 jcamins I'd be curious to know whether the problem is the database or Zebra.
22:36 jcamins Hm.
22:36 lculber we haven't tried to reindex authorities, only biblios. since we use -x we do them separately
22:35 lculber and only on the one instance
22:35 lculber zebrsrv works as far as we can tell, but the rebuild empties the index and doesn't rebuild
22:35 jcamins Can you reindex authorities without a problem?
22:34 lculber yes and the permissions are okay. We restored the indexes from backup and are up for the day and cataloging normally but need to do a reindex tonight if possible
22:33 jcamins lculber: and you checked permissions?
22:33 jcamins Oh, wait, no, some of them are my brothers.
22:33 lculber We are still having problems rebuilding zebra on our production server for biblios using -b -x -v -r on one instance only. All other instances work
22:33 jcamins Wow. I've contributed to 19 books in my test catalog. I think it may be about time to use someone else's name for testing authority-related things.
22:32 lculber waves back at jcamins
22:32 * jcamins waves to lculber.
22:31 jcamins Thanks!
22:31 eythian I'll update the config, reindex, and see what happens
22:31 jcamins Okay.
22:31 eythian no, this is an old config
22:31 jcamins eythian: that is.
22:31 eythian (assuming that's what you were asking for)
22:31 jcamins eythian: is that with updated zebra config?
22:31 collum thought so
22:31 jcamins collum: ah, that was the question.
22:31 eythian jcamins: �kw,wrdl: health � returned 951 results.
22:30 collum yep
22:30 eythian jcamins: �kw,wrdl: "health" � returned 951 results.
22:30 collum jcamins: The koha instance I am working on is about a month old. I have not updated Zebra since the installation.
22:30 jcamins collum: around?
22:29 jcamins I'm wondering if there isn't a problem in the latest Zebra config.
22:28 eythian OK, booting it up now.
22:28 jcamins Another data point.
22:28 eythian I should probably update it.
22:28 jcamins Actually, you might as well try searching for a single word in quotes.
22:28 jcamins Okay, never mind.
22:28 eythian jcamins: I do, although its zebra config is a bit out of date.
22:28 jcamins eythian: do you have a master install handy?
22:24 jcamins I disabled ICU and "smith" (with quotes) still doesn't return any results.
22:24 eythian We started on testing and switched to squeeze when it came out, to avoid the need of doing a real upgrade.
22:23 jcamins Okay, that's weird.
22:23 jcamins The lack of MySQL 5.1 was a pretty big issue for me with Lenny.
22:23 * jcamins switched to Squeeze immediately.
22:23 eythian There has been talk of long-term support for some releases, but I don't think it's in place yet.
22:23 jcamins Huh.
22:22 eythian a year after the release of the next one is their general policy.
22:22 jcamins That seems awfully fast.
22:21 eythian http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 <-- in case anyone is still running it, security support for lenny is no longer available
22:01 jcamins tcohen++ # because I think he's responsible for the useful warning about corrupt records.
22:01 jcamins I have a corrupt record.
22:01 jcamins Hm.
21:59 * jcamins rebuilds his Zebra indexes without ICU.
21:58 melia I'm hoping it was broken but has already been magically fixed again :)
21:58 * jcamins is using ICU on his VM.
21:57 collum yep
21:57 jcamins collum: I'm still hoping it's ICU.
21:57 * collum just tried it on latest master and it works fine. Very odd.
21:56 jcamins Yeah, it works in 3.6.3.
21:55 melia I think it works on stable 3.6. here's a public OPAC running stable 3.6 that seems to work fine: http://catalog.shasta.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%22health%22
21:55 jcamins Orr... not.
21:54 jcamins Almost certainly ICU.
21:54 jcamins And is bad.
21:54 jcamins It doesn't work on my VM, so that simplifies testing.
21:54 jcamins Well, what's foolish is that I didn't think to try it on master first. ;)
21:53 melia ok here is a public OPAC on the latest master where it definitely doesn't work: http://booksearch.americanalpineclub.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%22health%22
21:51 melia don't feel foolish! this is only the first or second bug I've ever reported, and I wasn't sure if it was just me doing something wrong, or if it was really a bug.
21:51 jcamins I was so busy working on something else in my VM that I just tested that on a production server, which, of course, worked fine.
21:51 * jcamins feels foolish.
21:50 melia darn
21:50 jcamins No.
21:50 melia is it working for you?
21:50 jcamins Huh.
21:50 * jcamins tries.
21:50 melia yes I did this morning. but let me do a bit more checking to make sure.
21:50 jcamins So you're seeing this on latest master?
21:49 melia ok. that helps. I tested on my test system (which is master). but let me test on a few more public opacs and see what happens.
21:49 jcamins It's almost certainly an ICU misconfiguration or -- much less likely -- a typo in ccl.properties.
21:48 jcamins melia: so, the short answer is that the behavior you're describing is not normal for Koha.
21:47 jcamins I mean, the one with the problem.
21:46 melia yes. I think so.
21:46 jcamins Is this a public OPAC?
21:45 melia but when I try searching with "health" I get no results
21:45 melia which returns results even if "health" is inside of quotation marks
21:45 melia one library pointed me at this: http://hslcat.med.nyu.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%22health%22
21:44 melia yes. like "arts" or "health"
21:44 jcamins Like, if you put a single word in quotation marks?
21:44 jcamins (disclaimer: without a complete rewrite of C4::Search, the behavior can't be changed, but I'm curious)
21:44 melia is that normal?
21:44 melia but no matter what I put in quotation marks, I get no results
21:44 melia maybe I don't understand how the quotation marks are supposed to work
21:44 jcamins So I'm wondering what you would want it to do.
21:43 jcamins I mean, if it entirely ignored.
21:43 jcamins melia: what were you getting at with bug 7518? If Koha ignored quotation marks, it would break the principle of least surprise- Google (and other search engines) uses quotation marks to mark phrases.
21:42 melia yep
21:42 jcamins melia: around?
21:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7518 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , searches with quotation marks don't work
21:41 * jcamins ponders bug 7518.
21:34 * chris_n heads out too
21:32 jcamins oleonard++
21:32 * oleonard is off to retrieve children
21:32 jcamins Thanks for looking at it.
21:32 jcamins That's okay.
21:32 oleonard gotta pick this up again tomorrow, sorry.
21:31 jcamins Okay, that should do it.
21:31 oleonard misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra -z -b -a
21:31 jcamins oleonard: you have rebuild_zebra running with -a in your crontab, right?
21:30 jcamins oleonard: I just tried and it worked.
21:29 chris_n well, fwiw I now have a script that will walk through the entire catalog, checking every subfield of every bib and item validating UTF-8
21:25 jcamins (downloading now)
21:21 oleonard http://lccn.loc.gov/n50049786
21:21 jcamins What's the exact heading? (I'll create an authority record and try linking that same heading)
21:20 oleonard Yes, still working with an author entry
21:20 jcamins In step 7 you modified a heading in the bib record.
21:19 oleonard What do you mean by what is the heading I'm testing with?
21:18 jcamins Yes, that looks correct to me.
21:18 jcamins Ah.
21:18 oleonard Sorry, that wasn't in answer to your questions, just wanted to make sure that looked correct
21:17 jcamins I mean, in the bib record.
21:17 oleonard misc/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl --link-report --verbose --bib-limit="biblionumber=3748"
21:17 jcamins What is the heading you're testing it with?
21:17 jcamins That would be a sign that there's a problem.
21:17 jcamins Hm.
21:16 oleonard I did step 8, but at step 9 I found that the record was not linked
21:16 jcamins It didn't link?
21:16 oleonard Started with a new bib record too
21:16 jcamins Okay.
21:15 oleonard I got rid of the extra one
21:15 jcamins Is this still the guy with two authority records?
21:15 oleonard I did step 7, "Change the modified heading back to whatever it was, but don't use the authority control plugin to populate $9"
21:15 jcamins oleonard: uh-oh!
21:15 oleonard jcamins: Problem at step 9 I think
21:14 jcamins maximep: yep.
21:07 oleonard Yay, step 5!
20:57 maximep -_-
20:57 maximep and then walks
20:55 * jcamins_away exits bus
20:55 jcamins_away Woohoo!
20:51 huginn` libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
20:51 libsysguy @later tell jcamins_away the script worked after a full reindex. everything appears to be showing up
20:51 jcamins_away Back in a few.
20:51 jcamins_away Okay, better put my jacket on since we're about to get to my stop.
20:50 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
20:50 jcamins_away Thanks for the testing of bug 7284!
20:50 jcamins_away You're welcome.
20:49 oleonard Thanks for the signoff on 6919
20:49 jcamins_away Ooh, I could even make what it does in that situation configurable!
20:48 jcamins_away (half an hour)
20:48 jcamins_away I'll do the follow-up when I get home.
20:48 jcamins_away Yeah, but it's easy to fix with the framework I've set up with the initial patch.
20:47 oleonard (from 7284)
20:47 jcamins_away I'll do a follow-up patch.
20:47 oleonard So... separate issue?
20:46 jcamins_away I am right now trying to figure out how to fix it.
20:46 jcamins_away I would consider this a bug.
20:46 jcamins_away It probably should, yes.
20:46 oleonard But if I edit my record and explicitly choose one of those two similar authorities, shouldn't it save with the one I chose, not with the other one?
20:45 jcamins_away If you change LinkerModule to LastMatch or FirstMatch, it'll match one or the other.
20:45 jcamins_away The display issue is that they look like they're not identical.
20:45 jcamins_away Yeah, that's possible.
20:44 oleonard But there really are two different authority records in my database
20:44 jcamins_away Those are identical authority headings. The "Default" linker refuses to match things when there are more than one exact heading matches.
20:43 jcamins_away Oh, that's a display issue.
20:43 oleonard I have what I think is an auto-generated authority for "Leonard, A. Byron 1904- (Arthur Byron)," and an 'official' authority, "Leonard, A. Byron (Arthur Byron), 1904-"
20:41 jcamins_away What are the authors that work/don't work?
20:41 jcamins_away Hrm.
20:41 oleonard Sounds like some kind of matching problem, because if I choose to replace the author with a very different one (instead of a slightly different one) it works
20:41 jcamins_away And to confirm, you're looking at the details page, right?
20:40 jcamins_away After I finish signing off on 6919 I'll see if I can replicate.
20:40 jcamins_away Odd I never encountered it.
20:40 jcamins_away That would be a bug.
20:40 jcamins_away Hm.
20:39 oleonard It appears to work fine but after I save the old data is there
20:39 jcamins_away Hm. And it won't let you save, or won't let you select?
20:39 oleonard BiblioAddsAuthorities is set to "allow," and I am using the selector plugin
20:38 jcamins_away oleonard: if you have BiblioAddsAuthorities set to off, you have to find one using the selector plugin, though.
20:37 jcamins_away oleonard: no I cannot.
20:37 oleonard ...because I can't seem to do so.
20:37 oleonard jcamins_away: Can you think of any reason why I should be prevented from updating a bib record to use a different authority in 100a?
20:29 jcamins_away Right.
20:29 jcamins_away (I had two test plans, and made the complete test plan by combining them)
20:29 oleonard Step 1 turn LinkerKeepStale on, step 2 edit bib, step 2a turn it off, step 3 run the linking script?
20:28 jcamins_away You do that after step 2, because I copied the wrong step into this test plan.
20:28 jcamins_away Right, there isn't one.
20:28 oleonard Step 2a?
20:28 jcamins_away Sorry!
20:27 jcamins_away Step 2a should read turn LinkerKeepStale *off*.
20:27 jcamins_away Step 1 should read turn LinkerKeepStale *on*.
20:27 jcamins_away I think there may have been a copy and paste error on my part.
20:26 jcamins_away No.
20:26 * jcamins_away checks.
20:26 oleonard When I save the record, then go back and open it for editing again, should there still be data in $9?
20:26 jcamins_away Okay.
20:25 oleonard Step 1 is done, doing step 2
20:25 wahanui i guess Step 1 is done. :)
20:25 jcamins_away Step 1?
20:25 oleonard I'm at the step === Testing link_bibs_to_authorities.pl ===
20:24 jcamins_away :)
20:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
20:24 jcamins_away It took a bit for the mention of bug 7284 to penetrate my brain, but when I did, I came!
20:23 jcamins_away I do indeed.
20:23 oleonard No, do you have a moment?
20:23 jcamins_away oleonard: did you figure it out?
20:09 Space_Librarian unless he's back from Melbourne...
20:09 Space_Librarian It's pretty early where rangi is...
20:06 * chris_n wonders if it is still going good for rangi
20:06 huginn` chris_n: rangi was last seen in #koha 2 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <rangi> so far so good
20:06 chris_n @seen rangi
20:01 libsysguy im not sure, I'm still working throught a different set of linking issues :-\
20:01 oleonard Step 4, "to check this, look at the bib record you edited earlier, and check that the authid in the field you edited hasn't changed"
20:01 cait night #koha
20:00 libsysguy hmm
20:00 Space_Librarian o/
19:59 oleonard Okay, that seems to be the case. I wonder if that is how it's supposed to be...
19:58 oleonard Or does the link only happen if AutoCreateAuthorities is on?
19:57 oleonard ...and adding an author from an authority record is not giving me the expected link
19:57 libsysguy ok just step 1?
19:56 oleonard I'm under === Testing link_bibs_to_authorities.pl ===
19:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
19:56 wahanui hmmm... bug 7284 is the first step to making that happen.
19:56 libsysguy bug 7284
19:56 libsysguy where are you lost at
19:56 libsysguy is testing that too oleonard
19:53 * oleonard could use jcamins_away's advice
19:53 chris_n lol
19:52 oleonard I expected a minotaur at the end chris_n, so I brought string
19:51 chris_n did you leave a trail of bread crumbs?
19:51 * oleonard thinks he got lost somewhere in the 7284 test plan...
19:47 * chris_n wonders if it would be enough to know the record is not UTF-8
19:45 * oleonard goes back to testing after meetings, lunch, etc.
19:18 * chris_n goes off to find a record with extended chars in it
19:18 chris_n in practice, it does not
19:18 jcamins chris_n: well, if there are no extended characters, it doesn't matter.
19:17 chris_n but it serves to point out how challenging the task of verification might be
19:17 chris_n no, as you might expect
19:16 jcamins chris_n: are there extended characters?
19:16 chris_n doing a hex comparison of the same marc record retrieved from loc in utf-8 and then in marc-8 shows zero difference
19:15 chris_n not in this case wahanui
19:15 wahanui interesting is good
19:15 chris_n interesting
18:58 chris_n non-homogeneous at that
18:58 chris_n ie.. a mixture
18:58 chris_n ...
18:58 chris_n and if the encoding happens to be mixed up
18:58 jcamins Right.
18:58 chris_n you'd have to make an assumption somewhere
18:57 chris_n I wondered about that
18:57 jcamins Right.
18:57 chris_n right
18:57 chris_n if it was that simple it would be done already
18:57 jcamins It was a good thought, but how do we know which character the accent is supposed to be applied to?
18:57 jcamins Actually, it wouldn't work, never mind.
18:56 jcamins chris_n: ooh, that's clever.
18:55 * chris_n feels like he is sinking beneath the waves :-/
18:55 chris_n maybe the difference in order of space and non-space chars would provide an clear indication?
18:54 jcamins Otherwise, UTF-8.
18:54 jcamins If the input matches the output, it's MARC-8.
18:53 jcamins If so, try converting to Unicode and back.
18:53 jcamins Here's a thought: does MARC-8 have only one canonical way to represent any given glyph?
18:48 chris_n maybe there is a significant enough difference to "filter" on
18:48 jcamins Oh god... I just said that without looking up the common value of the first byte.
18:47 * chris_n hates working with encoding foo :P
18:46 jcamins And maybe if we're lucky two byte characters with \xe8 as their first byte are all unusable in UTF-8.
18:44 jcamins chris_n: I guess real world MARC-8 actually uses a fairly limited space, so I guess one thing you could test for is characters outside that range, and identify the record as UTF-8.
18:43 chris_n sounds like a line for "how to win friends"
18:42 chris_n nice idea!
18:42 chris_n the problem is that different records break in different places iirc
18:42 jcamins chris_n++ # validating encoding even while planning an upgrade to master!
18:42 jcamins chris_n: that makes sense.
18:42 chris_n or through some tests fashioned after those portions of code
18:42 * oleonard inquired about details
18:42 chris_n jcamins: running it thorough several "problem" sections of koha's code might turn up common "wide char" type errors
18:41 jcamins chris_n: a pity there isn't actually a way to recognize UTF-8 versus MARC-8.
18:40 hdl edveal: my best bet would be to try and ask oleonard.... but he might be busy.
18:40 jcamins chris_n: that would be really useful.
18:39 * chris_n momentarily wonders about a function to be called on all imported records during import to validate encoding and warn of potential errors/pitfalls/etc
18:38 cait heh
18:37 * jcamins is always looking on the bright side.
18:37 jcamins :)
18:37 jcamins cait: at least the testing can now resume.
18:36 jcamins Yeah, I hate those too.
18:35 cait normally means I only did something different
18:35 cait I hate bugs that appear and disappear like that
18:35 cait hmpf
18:31 jcamins_away cait: well, at least it's working now.
18:30 chris_n encoding rather
18:30 chris_n I suspect the MARC records were imported and in a format other than that advertised
18:30 * chris_n removes the two offending records
18:25 cait spooky
18:25 cait spookiy
18:25 cait it seems the error just disappeared
18:25 cait never mind
18:24 cait chris_n: do you have an installation on latest master?
18:24 chris_n my catalogers picked up a bad record from somewhere and now i have to find it... <grumble>
18:23 * chris_n thinks his typing is a problem too
18:23 chris_n UTF8 rather
18:23 chris_n the real problem is UTF*
18:21 cait done
18:19 fredericd cait: yes, it works
18:19 fredericd chris_n: I know what you mean. I will finish crafting a specific XSL...
18:18 cait your email from bugzilla?
18:18 fredericd cait: yes. I would be grateful for that.
18:18 * chris_n talks bad about the labels code
18:18 cait fredericd: I could mail you my sample record?
18:16 fredericd I give up for tonight
18:16 fredericd thanks all for your help
18:16 cait I am still wondeirng why my opac is totally broken :(
18:16 cait fredericd: that seems right to me
18:15 cait does the open book icon show?
18:15 fredericd my biblio records have 'c' in leader position 19...
18:15 cait *sigh*
18:15 cait [Thu Feb 09 19:11:39 2012] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [Thu Feb 9 19:11:39 2012] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $biblionumber in concatenation (.) or string at /home/katrin/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 577., referer: http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=9809
18:14 jcamins Probably back in 30.
18:14 * jcamins has to run to get to his next client's.
18:13 cait checking the logs now
18:13 cait didn't switch back to master
18:13 cait i know
18:13 jcamins I didn't touch it.
18:13 jcamins cait: just after applying my patch?
18:12 cait any search link gives me a 404
18:12 jcamins fredericd: maybe git blame will tell you who did that?
18:12 cait ok
18:12 oleonard If a search leads to a 404, doesn't that imply that the search returned 1 record but that record wasn't found?
18:12 jcamins fredericd: that's definitely wrong.
18:12 fredericd 245$a is dislayed rather than 773$t
18:12 fredericd I don't understand how it works in the XSL
18:11 jcamins If it is my patch, though, definitely let me know, because that means an unrelated change crept in.
18:11 cait I hate finding bugs like this
18:11 jcamins cait: I didn't touch anything to do with bib searching.
18:10 wahanui 404 is better for opac
18:10 cait but 404?
18:10 cait I mean no results - yes
18:10 cait gives me a 404
18:10 cait http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=rcn:015151123
18:10 jcamins cait: no.
18:10 cait jcamins: should your indexing changes break rcn search?
18:10 jcamins I thought the 773 wasn't showing up?
18:10 wahanui the problem is its human beings doing it
18:10 jcamins What's the problem?
18:10 jcamins Oh, wait, I'm confused.
18:10 cait the oter fields?
18:09 cait but 773 shows?
18:09 jcamins fredericd: probably the 773 display was revised to match the standard again.
18:09 cait hm
18:09 fredericd Not for me, xslt enabled
18:07 cait with xslt view
18:07 cait 773$g shows for me in staff
18:07 oleonard edveal: What problem are you having?
18:06 fredericd Hope it's not my fault...
18:05 cait and my test data apperently
18:03 cait fredericd: sorry, I messed up my test installation :(
18:01 cait I had to load my sample file first
18:01 cait fredericd: hm it should show... if it didn't get messed up again
18:01 fredericd jcamins: thanks
18:00 jcamins fredericd: that looks right to me.
18:00 fredericd and I'm not sure it's valid MARC21
18:00 fredericd I have fields like that: 773 $t Kroeber Anthropologivcal Society Papers $g vol. 99-100, pp. 104-128
17:59 fredericd dev
17:59 cait which version are you on?
17:59 cait ?
17:59 fredericd $g subfield seems not to be displayed with HEAD MARC XSL
17:58 fredericd I try to figure out how to use it
17:58 cait hm let me find one
17:58 fredericd Do you have sample MARC21 biblio records containing 773 field propermy populated?
17:57 cait what is your question?
17:57 cait perhaps :)
17:57 cait hm
17:57 fredericd in MARC21?
17:57 fredericd cait: Your a specialist of 773 field in mAR
17:50 cait hi #koha
17:48 edveal Any hints?
17:48 edveal I am having a hard time getting one on of the jQuery scrips in the library two work properly. (http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Change_the_text_of_the_OPAC_login_link)
16:58 gaetan_B bye !
16:49 oleonard No, I'll need all that time to test this bug
16:46 kf good idea .)
16:46 kf heh
16:46 * oleonard quits 5 hours early
16:46 oleonard Me too!
16:45 kf I should go home
16:45 kf ignore me
16:45 kf I misread
16:45 kf oh
16:45 oleonard Sounds right to me
16:45 kf if branch a has that the item can be requested from all branches... shouldn't it be holdable?
16:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3142 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , standardize how OPAC and staff determine requestability
16:44 kf hmm bug 3142
16:35 jcamins Right.
16:29 oleonard So if BiblioAddsAuthorities is on you can either enter your own data or choose an existing authority
16:29 kf jcamins: I never understood how that worked until I got there in your test plan
16:28 jcamins I would like to change its name.
16:28 jcamins oleonard: BiblioAddsAuthorities is what allows you to edit an authority-controlled heading directly.
16:27 oleonard What is the difference between BiblioAddsAuthorities and AutoCreateAuthorities? Is it BiblioAddsAuthorities that enables Koha to automatically link to an existing authority record if the input matches one?
16:24 kf jcamins++ :)
16:11 reiveune bye
16:06 * oleonard reaches back to erase that errant '
16:06 jcamins :)
16:06 libsysguy jcamins++
16:06 libsysguy ditto
16:06 oleonard jcamins++
16:06 oleonard Actually jcamins the test plan is excellent for it's detail because it makes me feel much more comfortable that I'm testing something properly which I seldom use
15:58 jcamins wizzyrea: bugs 6919 and 7284 are both interesting. :)
15:57 jcamins wizzyrea: you can help with this!
15:55 trea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz3fWAtOMV4
15:55 wizzyrea lol we just can't get down past 67 can we
15:54 jcamins Is it that bad?
15:54 jcamins lol
15:53 wizzyrea you will be a hummingbird soon.
15:53 wizzyrea O.O
15:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
15:53 * oleonard sits down with a six-pack of Red Bull and a bowl of chocolate-covered espresso beans to read the test plan for bug 7284
15:49 jcamins Woohoo!
15:45 jcamins oleonard++
15:45 jcamins :)
15:44 oleonard Then I'll try 7284
15:44 oleonard That's exactly what I'm doing :)
15:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7501 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , OPAC authority browser should mark alternate rows as highlighted
15:44 jcamins oleonard: you could sign off on bug 7501 too, so you don't feel like you did all this for only one thing. :)
15:43 oleonard Maybe it'll be easier now :)
15:43 * oleonard is reminded why he doesn't like testing authorities
15:43 jcamins Good!
15:43 oleonard Thanks, that worked like a charm
15:41 jcamins Then reindex with rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r
15:39 pastebot "jcamins" at 69.201.176.180 pasted "oleonard: install Zebra authority config" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/249
15:37 jcamins I'll use paste.
15:37 jcamins Hm. That didn't quite work as hoped.
15:37 oleonard Can you tell me how?
15:37 jcamins etc/zebradb/marc_defs/unimarc/authorities/record.abs
15:37 jcamins etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl, and
15:37 jcamins etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/authority-zebra-indexdefs.xsl,
15:37 jcamins etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authorities/authority-koha-indexdefs.xml,
15:37 jcamins etc/zeradb/authorities/etc/bib1.att,
15:36 jcamins You'll need to copy over the new Zebra authority configuration files then reindex.
15:36 jcamins I fixed that a few months ago.
15:36 jcamins Okay.
15:36 oleonard Never :P
15:35 jcamins When did you last update your koha-dev zebra configuration?
15:35 jcamins Oh, that's a very old bug.
15:35 oleonard I get results in the staff client if I use "search main heading."
15:34 oleonard ...in the OPAC this time
15:34 oleonard I have an authority record where 100a = "Leonard, A. Byron", but an OPAC search for Personal Name + contains + "leonard" doesn't return anything
15:34 jcamins It only searches 1xx.
15:32 jcamins And the "anywhere" doesn't actually search "anywhere."
15:32 jcamins No see-froms or see-alsos.
15:32 jcamins (that's authority 1xx, not bib 1xx)
15:31 jcamins 1xx.
15:31 oleonard What is "main entry?"
15:30 jcamins oleonard: no, you can get name authorities, you just can only search using the main entry.
15:30 oleonard Is it not possible to get name authority results from the OPAC without 7284 jcamins ?
15:21 jcamins (if you did, they probably don't show up because you didn't install the Zebra config files to koha-dev)
15:20 jcamins (if not, that's probably why)
15:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
15:19 jcamins oleonard: did you install the patch for bug 7284 yet?
15:19 oleonard (in the staff client)
15:18 oleonard Okay, that's what I needed. But why do I only get results when I search using "search main heading?"
15:17 hdl does the init on database ... only when one record exported.
15:17 jcamins "Start over from scratch." ;)
15:16 jcamins That's what I meant.
15:16 jcamins Reset.
15:16 hdl reset
15:16 jcamins Rebuild.
15:16 oleonard Whta is the -r jcamins ?
15:16 jcamins bulkmarcimport doesn't add things to zebraqueue.
15:15 hdl oleonard: dom or grs1 indexing ?
15:15 jcamins oleonard: did you reindex with rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r?
15:15 oleonard Alright, I think I've correctly imported a few authority records... I see data in auth_header... But no search results.
15:08 trea not sure yet jcamins. i'll check into it and report back
15:07 mbalmer hdl, thanks!
15:07 jcamins trea: good luck. What's the status of the zebrasrv process?
15:07 trea interesting. thanks jcamins i'll do some more digging
15:03 jcamins I mean, zebrasrv.
15:03 jcamins trea: at a guess, your server is crashed.
14:54 trea can anyone shed some light on what "[warn] yaz_poll [No child processes]" means in the koha-zebradaemon-output.log?
14:54 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, but it's not copyrighted.
14:54 hdl s
14:54 hdl See staticfines in misc/cronjob
14:53 hdl here you are.
14:53 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/clean/nimes/ft/MT5989
14:52 hdl kf mbalmer for wiw We have done a devlopment coping with "stacked" (can't find the correct word) fines
14:52 trea morning all o/
14:51 wizzyrea see: buy.
14:51 jcamins From whom you can buy a $10k hard drive with the public domain authority records on it.
14:50 jcamins wizzyrea: not in the US. Most authority data is from LC.
14:50 jcamins There should be.
14:50 wizzyrea it's probably all copyrighted
14:50 * wizzyrea gets all defeatist
14:50 jcamins oleonard: I don't think there is, actually.
14:49 Guest1988 interesting that you would ask that I had the same desire.
14:49 oleonard Is there authorities sample data available?
14:48 kf mbalmer: there is a field for restrictions in items - but I don't think there is a function tied to it atm - perhaps using this field + development might be an option for age restrictions?
14:47 kf and good morning jcamins :)
14:47 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
14:47 kf mbalmer: it's something we have in Germany too - increasing fines. At the moment it's not possible.
14:45 kf_mtg hdl + matts: I will test on latest master and file a bug :)
14:45 kf_mtg hdl + matts: thx!
14:11 * oleonard has lost, in his old age, the ability to stay up too late
14:05 * oleonard doesn't blame you for feeling that way
14:05 nengard brain not working right yet
14:05 nengard got home at midnight
14:04 nengard yuppers
14:04 oleonard nengard: Were you doing training?
14:03 oleonard I think the functionality is there, but I submitted a patch too so I don't feel I can sign off
14:03 nengard oleonard, i was away all week and am catching up today, i'll put it on the list but might not get to it today
14:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once
14:01 oleonard I wondered if you would be willing to test Bug 5877 again sometime?
14:01 nengard yes
14:00 oleonard nengard: You here for real?
13:57 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 0.0�C (8:50 AM EST on February 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Steady).
13:57 oleonard @wunder 45701
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13:57 JesseM @wunder 06614
13:47 mbalmer in switzerland, fines are not fixed, but increase over time. e.g. CHF 2 for the first reminder, CHF 4 for second reminder, CHF 9 for the third reminder to bring back a book.
13:40 druthb :) hi, Owen.
13:40 oleonard Hi Dr. B.
13:39 druthb o/
13:31 mbalmer ok, tnx.
13:31 mbalmer so that the age restriction is with the item, not the item type?
13:31 oleonard Not that I'm aware of.
13:31 mbalmer are there any plans to have age restrictions per title?
13:30 mbalmer ok
13:30 oleonard There is no hidden feature which you don't see on the Circulation and Fine rules page.
13:30 mbalmer so no third "category"?
13:29 * oleonard wonders why that is labeled "user category." We don't use that phrase anywhere else...
13:29 oleonard What you see is what you get: user category + item type
13:29 mbalmer e.g. dvds for childrens, books for juveniles etc.
13:28 mbalmer yes.
13:28 oleonard With regard to circulation rules mbalmer?
13:28 mbalmer do we have to create a media type for each age or is there a third criterion we can use, besides user group and media type?
13:27 mbalmer here is a question: we have user groups and media types. here we have rules to allow certain books for children, others for adults etc.
13:26 mbalmer ji from the weekly koha workshop ;)
13:20 asaurat looks like the file in prog/en is always used
13:19 asaurat is the translated columns.def working good for non english users ?
13:11 matts_ kf_mtg, with *, any of the serials permission will be enough for the template
13:07 Oak kia ora #koha
13:02 hdl kf_mtg: iirc, 1 should be changed into *
13:01 huginn` hdl: The operation succeeded.
13:01 hdl @later tell vfernandes we did. But would not like to do it again... It depends on the CentOS version. But the version we tried to install Koha on was much behind in PERL version
12:45 kf_mtg hm will find it out .)
12:37 kf_mtg and having all but not routing lists will not work?
12:37 kf_mtg does it mean that I have to give full serial permissions for the template?
12:37 kf_mtg if I have this: flagsrequired => { serials => 1 },
12:37 kf_mtg can someone here help with permissons?
12:37 kf_mtg hmm
12:30 vfernandes hi guys :) anyone has experienced to install Koha 3.2.X in CentOS?
11:41 wahanui documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
11:41 slef wahanui: documentation?
11:41 wahanui OK, slef.
11:41 slef wahanui: perldoc is at http://perldoc.koha-community.org for the C4 modules and more
10:16 kf_mtg fredericd++
10:04 drojf hdl: thanks, that looks very useful
09:58 hdl maybe adding a kind of order in the system preference language system would help.
09:57 hdl otherwise perldoc is your friend
09:57 hdl could be a place.
09:57 hdl drojf: perldoc.koha-community.org
09:35 fredericd it works
09:35 fredericd If you change opac-changelanguage.pl line 25 to: my $url = $query->referer() || '/';
09:34 drojf where is a good place to learn about all these magical C4-things?
09:33 slef probably moving some of that out to C4::Languages
09:33 fredericd with a redirection to the main page
09:32 fredericd cgi-bin/koha/opac-changelanguage.pl?language=de-DE
09:32 fredericd And modifying a little bit opac-changelanguage.pl?
09:32 drojf off to do non-koha work :/
09:30 slef and ppl are meant to translate into their native languages
09:29 slef nah it's serious... I wouldn't be able to write all this stuff in German without help ;)
09:29 kf_mtg I felt a bit teased :)
09:29 kf_mtg make it a smiley
09:29 slef I think it would be best in C4::Auth::get_template_and_user
09:29 kf_mtg :)
09:28 slef kf: why :P ???
09:28 kf staff meeting
09:28 kf updated
09:28 drojf :D
09:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7514 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Direct URL to OPAC in specified language
09:28 kf bug 7514
09:27 kf meh.
09:27 kf I already hit save
09:27 kf but
09:27 kf that is better
09:27 kf oh
09:27 drojf Choose OPAC language with URL parameter?
09:26 kf ?
09:26 kf Direct URL to OPAC in specified language
09:26 kf slef: :P
09:25 drojf :)
09:25 slef veilleich
09:24 slef ja, wir können übersetzen...
09:24 slef huh?
09:24 drojf what would it be in german? ;)
09:24 kf no idea how to call that bug
09:24 kf my english is broken
09:23 kf ok
09:23 slef if you really want it, I'll go look at the code and find out when that it ;-)
09:23 slef drojf: I think to do it Koha-side, you'd need to do it when $query is parsed, not at output time.
09:22 slef kf: fredericd is right, though. Probably simpler to do it in Apache.
09:22 kf and it seems confirmed that it's not possible right now?
09:21 kf because this might be something other libraries would find useful too
09:21 kf so perhapsI will go and file an enh request
09:21 fredericd it is
09:21 kf this sounds complicated
09:21 kf ok
09:20 fredericd kf: You could do it without changing Koha, by using Apache mod_rewrite. You can define a virtual host, with a rule appending a cookie forcing the language
09:20 kf hi gaetan_B
09:19 gaetan_B hello #koha
09:18 kf yep
09:16 drojf kf: who is "they"? one of your libraries?
09:13 kf I explained the language detection
09:13 kf collecting ideas today and waiting for feedback
09:12 kf drojf: if they insist, I will have to go there
09:12 kf heh
09:10 drojf *wrong
09:10 drojf kf: i don't know where output_html_with_http_headers (in opac_main.pl) is defined, but you could probably wrap it in an "if/else" looking for an url parameter similar "my $language = $query->param('language');" (in opac-changelanguage.pl), so that you use an url parameter if given and look for a cookie otherwise. you need to know how to pack that for the output_html_with_http_headers though. or maybe i'm completely wring. *throwing around gefährliches
08:49 drojf maybe there is some secret way to do so, i would be very interested to know that too
08:49 kf or if it's really not possible I can file a bug
08:49 kf still... going to repeat that question a bit today, perhaps someone has an idea
08:49 kf I feared it was not possible
08:49 kf yeah
08:48 drojf i think it won't work because the info is only in the cookie. you have KohaOpacLanguage and then the language code, like en-EN. it would be nice to be able to use ?KohaOpacLanguage=en-EN on every page of the opac but that would need a code change i guess
08:47 kf I have not managed to find one yet :(
08:47 kf circumventing the browser detection and the cookie
08:47 kf that opens the english opac version directly
08:47 kf just an url
08:44 drojf what do you mean? without the changelanguage perl script?
08:39 kf do you have an idea about constructing an url to the english opac?
08:39 kf hm
08:38 drojf hi kf :)
08:37 kf good morning drojf
08:37 drojf good morning #koha
08:33 kf is there a way to link to the english opac version? I was playing around with the url, but while the start page is correct, the templates aren't
08:33 kf hmm
08:29 kf hi #koha
08:16 francharb hi all
08:09 wahanui hola, asaurat
08:09 asaurat hello
07:44 cait work even... bbiab
07:44 * cait goes to wokr
07:33 reiveune hello
07:07 * eythian fails to build packages because some tests are still broken :/
07:03 Amit_Gupta slef around
06:53 * eythian builds packages
06:53 eythian shows you all the network traffic.
06:52 eythian cait: wireshark is a network sniffer tool
05:43 cait ?
05:42 eythian watch wireshark on a not busy network for a while, it'll help you understand the upper layers.
05:41 * cait starts reading about ethernet
05:39 libsysguy ok im out for the night…cya in the AM #Koha
05:36 libsysguy "but hun the community needs me :p"
05:36 libsysguy lol that is what I am going to tell my girlfriend when she says we have to hang out on the weekends
05:36 cait it's only I am missing a few days
05:36 libsysguy oh ok…so you can see
05:35 cait I have new glasses now
05:35 libsysguy oh no :'(
05:35 cait now it's even worse than before
05:35 libsysguy I am trying to test that and jcamins linker script
05:35 cait and then my glasses broke last friday... and that practically killed my weekend
05:35 libsysguy haha welcome to the club
05:35 cait really wanted to test that
05:35 cait I am way behind with my todo lists :(
05:35 cait yeah, it sure sounds like a nice feature
05:35 cait oh :)
05:35 libsysguy and the acquisitions librarian loves it
05:34 libsysguy for acquisitions
05:34 libsysguy cait I was going to tell you I installed that patch you recommended
05:32 eythian hello Amit_Gupta
05:31 cait hi Amit_Gupta
05:31 Amit_Gupta wheya eythian, cait
05:31 cait hi eythian, hi libsysguy :)
05:30 libsysguy hi cait
05:30 eythian hi cait
05:30 libsysguy now I just have to rebuild that system
05:30 eythian OK
05:30 libsysguy I created a second HDD, installed ubuntu to it, then mounted the old one
05:22 eythian how?
05:21 libsysguy for the record, it all got saved and transfered
04:47 libsysguy jesus !@#$$%#%@#$@$% christ
04:47 libsysguy except…I still don't have network
04:46 wizzyrea noice!
04:45 libsysguy sorry…I just had a moment
04:45 libsysguy HAHA! i got it!!
04:27 libsysguy that'll teach it…but it taught me
04:27 wizzyrea sorry, less talk, more fixing.
04:27 libsysguy the server was being all laggy running tomcat and I was like..i know ill just restart it
04:26 wizzyrea I believe you :)
04:26 libsysguy i swear this wasn't my fault
04:26 libsysguy wizzyrea i broke-ed it
04:26 wizzyrea I think perhaps you are even better at breaking things than I am
04:25 wizzyrea O.O libsysguy what did you DO
04:24 libsysguy now there is an idea…perhaps
04:23 eythian then throw away hyper-v and use virtualbox
04:23 eythian can you export the disk as a VM appliance thing, import it into virtualbox, which will give you a network.
04:23 libsysguy the other install is working and I think ill be able to see the other drive
04:23 libsysguy actually I think i have it
04:23 eythian s/xmodem/QR codes/
04:23 libsysguy haha
04:22 eythian or just stream all the data up the screen using xmodem, screenshot it regularly, reassemble.
04:22 eythian the addition to the kernel will be a .ko file somewhere, right? can you find it and just insmod it?
04:22 libsysguy that is what I was trying to do with the live cd
04:21 libsysguy I could…if i could get the source to the machine
04:21 stuartyeates can you compile a new kernel?
04:21 stuartyeates oh, i see
04:21 libsysguy and since the kernel is gone...
04:20 libsysguy and to get hyper-v to run the network you have to have an addition to the kernal on a debian based system
04:20 stuartyeates "ifup --all" will try bringing up the network
04:20 libsysguy yes it does, I did make a snapshot
04:20 eythian can't you bring up a network?
04:20 eythian why is there no network?
04:20 stuartyeates does hyper-v let you take a snaphot of the thing in case your next step looses data?
04:20 libsysguy which is great…let me tell you :-/
04:19 libsysguy the only connection I have is the console view from hyper-v
04:19 stuartyeates oh, of coruse
04:19 libsysguy no network
04:19 stuartyeates can you scp the data to another machine?
04:19 libsysguy i did reinstall grub
04:19 eythian could you just run grub-install?
04:19 libsysguy exactly
04:18 eythian 'cept it deletes your kernels?
04:18 libsysguy haha it is…actually its not terrible when it works :p
04:18 eythian (hyper-v, not your suggested recovery method)
04:18 ibeardslee heh
04:18 eythian Sounds like a terrible idea
04:18 eythian ah right.
04:18 libsysguy hyper-v is microsofts answer to VM-Ware
04:17 libsysguy but I think i can mount another HDD and install ubuntu to it, then mount its dead counterpar
04:17 eythian what is hyper-v?
04:17 libsysguy so there is no support for that :-\
04:17 libsysguy yeah that is exactly what I am doing…no the server is running Hyper-V
04:17 stuartyeates copy them to a USB key or simialr?
04:16 stuartyeates database dump + config files for important apps
04:16 libsysguy I am in the process of trying to get the data out
04:16 libsysguy that would be nice to have
04:16 stuartyeates or have you already done that?
04:16 ibeardslee true
04:16 stuartyeates the first thing you want to do is get a good backup...
04:16 ibeardslee sometimes the packages are cached on disk
04:16 libsysguy and the one on the live cd was a no-go as well
04:16 libsysguy i tried that…no network
04:15 ibeardslee it could be possible to chroot to the / partition and then apt-get install the kernel
04:15 libsysguy i even managed to dump the database
04:15 libsysguy and I have been plunking at the shell…the filesystem is fine
04:15 ibeardslee from there you can check to see the state of the filesystems themselves
04:14 libsysguy yeah I got that working
04:14 ibeardslee booting from a livecd would be the first start
04:14 libsysguy it couldn't find those either, or their recovery partitions
04:13 libsysguy well, I tried all the other kernel headers that existed in grub
04:13 ibeardslee it could just be that grub didn't deal to things properly, the kernel could be there but grub dones't know about it
04:12 libsysguy no, i seriously just restarted and there was magically no kernel
04:12 ibeardslee so was the kernel removed via apt-get or somesuch?
04:12 libsysguy yes and migrate that data when the network is back
04:11 ibeardslee with the goal to reinstall?
04:09 libsysguy ok lets say for the sake of saying that something nasty happened to a debian based server…like the kernel went awol and committed suicide…do you think my best option would be do launch a live cd, backup all the data, make a backup partition and push it all there…keeping in mind that I have no network connections since its on a VM...
04:09 Space_Librarian good evening all! :)
03:22 Amit_Gupta :)
03:22 Amit_Gupta heya bag
03:21 wizzyrea hiyas :)
03:21 * Space_Librarian waves at wizzyrea
03:15 Space_Librarian yep, I hear ya.
03:14 eythian there's often one of those people per migration.
03:11 Space_Librarian She's actually going to be the biggest problem about this migration. This is already very evident.
03:10 Space_Librarian nope.
03:10 ibeardslee I've come across those people before .. doesn't do the soul any good
02:58 Space_Librarian you have no idea. Everybody else is loving the system, she's dug her heels in and just won't budge. Does not like change at all.
02:57 jcamins Space_Librarian: that's a nuisance.
02:57 Space_Librarian very headache-inducing.
02:57 Space_Librarian jcamins this is very true. But, as I said my cataloguing librarian has never seen MARC before, she's actually refusing to catalogue anything at the moment.
02:56 Space_Librarian eythian absolutely. I've got to sort out the serials here first, but that analytics is definitely going to be used.
02:55 jcamins Since you can't add fields that aren't in the framework, using limited frameworks just doesn't make sense.
02:54 eythian Space_Librarian: when you've got a few of those analytics set up, can you let me know? I'd like to see it working in practice (I've really only done it the hard way before)
02:53 Space_Librarian That is just fantastic.
02:53 Space_Librarian cool. GTK. I have some very new to anything but DB Textworks and never encountered MARC before librarians that I need to soothe, but the analytics will totally help.
02:52 jcamins No, everyone I know uses Default.
02:52 Space_Librarian And it's awesome.
02:52 Space_Librarian But, still, do you have a framework for the individual articles that can be used with the analytics?
02:52 jcamins Nice, innit?
02:51 Space_Librarian Well I'll be...
02:51 jcamins :D
02:50 jcamins Go to the 7xx tab and be amazed at the populated 773.
02:50 Space_Librarian yup...
02:50 jcamins (that now shows up)
02:50 jcamins There's a "Create analytics" link.
02:49 jcamins Then click Analyze items.
02:49 Space_Librarian okay...
02:49 jcamins No, New button.
02:49 jcamins Click the Edit button.
02:49 jcamins (staff client)
02:48 jcamins Pull up the serial record in your catalogue.
02:48 Space_Librarian is that it? That's all? And that'll make life easier?
02:48 Space_Librarian found it!
02:48 jcamins tab.
02:47 jcamins In the cataloguing tag.
02:47 jcamins EasyAnalyticalRecords.
02:46 * Space_Librarian searches
02:46 jcamins Turn on EasyAnalytics.
02:46 Space_Librarian eythian mentioned it, but I need to know more.
02:45 jcamins The new analytics feature is awesome.
02:45 Space_Librarian yes, that's what we do.
02:45 jcamins They catalog articles individually, I mean.
02:45 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: the American Numismatic Society does, but they switched to using the new analytics code.
02:44 Space_Librarian Oh great and glorious community. Do we know of any library who catalogues articles individually who may have a framework to share...?
02:06 Space_Librarian Argh. Negative staff. Such a downer.