Time  Nick              Message
00:23 lculber           We have a serious problem with our production server 3.4. We tried to reindex using zebra -b -x -r -v (lots of long records which is why we use xml) and we get nothing.
00:23 lculber           never any problem before
00:24 lculber           A search of the database shows all of the bibliorecords are there.
00:25 eythian           what do you mean by "get nothing"?
00:25 lculber           A search for keywords "test" gets no results. A search for Mississippi which should give thousands gives nothing. and so on
00:26 lculber           No results in the searches
00:26 lculber           Using -v made everything look fine. There were no signs of trouble.
00:28 lculber           We get "no results found"
00:30 lculber           We've run the rebuild_zebra twice and are about to run it again our of pure desperation
00:31 lculber           our/out
00:36 jcamins_away      stadf
00:37 jcamins_away      staff client too?
00:37 lculber           Yes, both the staff client and the opac
00:38 lculber           All types of searches
00:38 eythian           lculber: what happens when you run rebuild_zebra? does it do anything?
00:38 eythian           does it stop with an error?
00:39 jcamins_away      rrestart  zebrasrv
00:39 lculber           Zebra runs wilth with no errors.  We were using -v and it runs looking normal
00:39 eythian           and is zebrasrv running?
00:39 eythian           (either way, restart it)
00:40 lculber           We  tried starting zebrasrv just before restarting this last rebuild
00:40 jcamins_away      house open. time for show
00:40 eythian           did you check that it is running? permission errors can prevent it from starting sometimes.
00:41 lculber           zebrasrv was running, but we restarted it, right before restarting rebuilding the index for the third time
00:42 eythian           run it manually in the foreground and it'll tell you what queries it's getting from Koha when you search.
00:42 lculber           It is running slower and taking a lot longer this time. I had worried about it running so fast the last too times.
00:42 lculber           too/two
00:43 lculber           eythian: How do I run it in the foreround to see the queries?
00:44 lculber           sorry, I'm getting tired,  I meant foreground.  How do I run zebrasrv in the foreground?
00:45 eythian           have a look at the script you're using to launch it, and do the same thing it does, except don't redirect the output elsewhere.
00:45 eythian           and add '-v all'
00:45 lculber           Okay, Right. Makes sense
00:56 lculber           We finished the reindexing after restarting zebrasrv and still have no results for searches in either the opac or staff
01:02 eythian           what happened when you ran zebrasrv in the foreground so you could see what it was doing?
01:06 lculber           We can't zebrasrv to run in the foreground. It says failed to listen
01:18 lculber           Okay we got zebrasrv to run in the foreground. One of the things it says is result set not immediately available
01:19 lculber           Another is search bilbios error 109
01:20 eythian           does it say anything about why? Although you've pretty much reached the end of my zebra knowledge.
01:24 slef              replace the ZEBRAOPTIONS="-v none,fatal,warn" with ZEBRAOPTIONS="-v all" in the koha-zebra-ctl.sh or /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon and restart it, then look at the log files, but remember to put them back afterwards
01:24 lculber           We don't really see any errors. It just says returning no log bits for search sets
01:25 slef              now I'm really asleep else I'll fall asleep in tomorrow's meeting
01:26 lculber           slef:  Should we do that and then reindex?
01:26 lculber           Or just do that and then search?
01:26 eythian           I think you've reindexed enough for now. If it was going to help, it would have done so.
01:26 lculber           Okay
01:27 eythian           I's suggest putting the whole output from zebrasrv into paste and seeing if anyone spots something.
01:30 eythian           anyone know why amazon reviews won't be showing up in the OPAC?
01:35 pastebot          "lculber" at pasted "zebrasrv" (58 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/247
01:36 libsysguy         @later tell jcamins hit me up when you get a chance I have a question about your linker patch
01:36 huginn`           libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
01:37 lculber           Looks like the error is Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @not @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 test @attr 1=9011 1
01:37 lculber           whatever that means
01:40 eythian           lculber: it seems to be a not unknown problem, but I can't find a real solution for it.
01:41 eythian           maybe re-initialise your zebra index from scratch.
01:41 eythian           (I'm not sure how to do that, it might be as simple as deleting it and doing a reindex, but I'm not sure)
01:51 lculber           eythian:  we are redoing the index again with the -r option yet again - this is for the fourth time. Hopefully, this time it will work. The zebrasrv isn't showing anything
01:53 eythian           I don't think just doing a rebuild is likely to help if it didn't the previous three times. It's not a magical solution, unfortuntately.
01:54 lculber           We could use some magic.
01:54 lculber           I've been at work 13 hours and counting.
01:56 Brooke            howdy
01:56 wahanui           hi, Brooke
01:57 eythian           I think what you should do is to reinitialise the whole zebra database from scratch. Rebuild doesn't do that.
01:57 eythian           But you'll have to find someone who knows how, I don't.
01:57 Space_Librarian   o/ Brooke
01:57 * Brooke          hugs space_librarian
01:58 * Space_Librarian hugs Brooke :)
01:58 lculber           Who knows how to reinitialise the whole zebra database from scratch without rebuilding the database?
02:01 eythian           http://koha-community.org/faq/double-ups-search-results-clear-index-start-again/ <-- lculber, the bit after "if this doesn't work" is what I was thinking.
02:01 Brooke            #startmeeting
02:01 huginn`           Meeting started Wed Feb  8 02:00:14 2012 UTC.  The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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02:01 Brooke            #topic Welcome
02:01 Brooke            please introduce yourselves using #info
02:02 thd               #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
02:02 jwagner           #info Jane Wagner LibLime/PTFS
02:02 Space_Librarian   #info Shelley Gurney, NZICA, Wellington
02:02 eythian           #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, Wellington
02:03 RA                #info rafael antonio, Portugal
02:03 paul_p            hello #koha
02:04 Brooke            Anything to announce?
02:05 paul_p            #info paul P, current Release Manager, BibLibre, France
02:05 Brooke            3.4 news anyone?
02:06 paul_p            chris_n not here, I fear there won't be any
02:06 Brooke            prolly the same thing but who knows
02:07 Brooke            #info if you have stuff that you missed mentioning for 3.4 or 3.6 send it to the list or stick it in the newsletter or on the wiki
02:07 paul_p            this one is for me probably...
02:08 Brooke            yep
02:08 paul_p            still trying to finish opening my eyes...
02:08 paul_p            well, as usual, I made a gave all infos on my RM newsletter.
02:09 paul_p            I sent a request for testing sandboxes on koha-devel a few days ago, and got no feedback
02:09 Brooke            perhaps try duplicating that to the main list
02:09 Brooke            I was going to suggest that for your Patch Discussion as well
02:10 paul_p            I'd really liked to have feedback before deploying the sandboxes on the 10 servers.
02:10 Brooke            #help test out the sandboxes
02:11 paul_p            oleonard tested once, I know wizzyrea gave a try as well (but she didn't send me any feedback)
02:11 paul_p            I'm really hoping it will help having more tester. I'm even thinking about organizing some training session for french libraries about that.
02:12 paul_p            (ie : what's the workflow, how it works, how to use sandboxes)
02:12 thd               If I would have time in a fully awake state, I would be happy to test and give some feedback.
02:12 paul_p            to attract more ppl
02:12 paul_p            thd don't hesitate ;-)
02:12 thd               paul_p: If you can buy me some sleep I will have more.
02:13 * oleonard        apologizes for his lateness
02:13 paul_p            hi oleonard
02:13 thd               I like Brooke's idea of asking on the main list where more people are giving attention.
02:13 RA                I will be interested to participate on testing
02:13 Brooke            RA++
02:14 Brooke            anything else for 3.8?
02:14 paul_p            Brooke RA ???
02:15 paul_p            ah, OK sorry
02:15 Brooke            he said he'd test. This is good :)
02:15 paul_p            hi RA, I don't remember speaking with you here before
02:15 RA                Paul can i send you my email? We live in europe so we are very near...
02:15 paul_p            well about 3.8 nothing more I think
02:15 paul_p            RA of course you can
02:16 RA                Rafael.antonio at sapo.pt
02:16 Brooke            K
02:16 paul_p            RA = Rafael, PT, (seenn in the minutes)
02:16 Brooke            Slef is asleep
02:16 Brooke            but
02:16 Brooke            #info Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June
02:16 Brooke            Deposit has been placed for the venue.
02:16 Brooke            hooray :D
02:17 Brooke            uhh looks like he wants us to spread the word
02:17 Brooke            so I'd say
02:17 Brooke            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Announcements
02:17 Brooke            look there and either edit or just plain gossip :)
02:17 paul_p            (what does it mean -the frenchy don't understand- ?)
02:17 Brooke            preferably if you send it out mark it with (I already bugged these people ; date )
02:17 paul_p            (Deposit has been placed for the venue)
02:18 Brooke            it means we have a place to go :)
02:18 Brooke            d'argent has been le paid :)
02:18 Brooke            or at least some
02:18 Space_Librarian   :)
02:18 paul_p            OK, got it
02:18 * oleonard        groans
02:18 Brooke            msg slef your email address to join the volunteers mailing list and he'll get back to you before the end of the week.
02:18 paul_p            (and in fact I understood, but thought I hadn't)
02:18 thd               paul_p: non-refundable payment as security against changing one's mind.
02:19 Brooke            so I'ma say questions to slef.
02:19 paul_p            this one is for me too ;-)
02:20 paul_p            We've recently added a "in discussion" bug status
02:20 paul_p            so me must organize how to deal with "in discussion" to avoid having bugs staying in discussion but no discussion...
02:20 paul_p            I made a proposal on the wiki agenda
02:21 paul_p            have a wiki page "in discussion" pointing to all pending discussion. announce all discussion to koha-devel
02:21 paul_p            each discussion will have a timeline for everyone to argue (2 weeks ? maybe depending on the complexity of the discussion, but should never be more than 1 month)
02:21 paul_p            at the end of the timeline, if no clear agreement reached on the wiki discussion, open a vote, that would be made on the wiki page, announced on koha-devel mailing list, open for one week
02:21 paul_p            depending on the result of the vote, change the status of the bug to "exit" in discussion
02:21 paul_p            there are something like 10 discussions to start already
02:21 Brooke            okay
02:22 Brooke            so
02:22 Brooke            first thing
02:22 paul_p            I'm OK to write the wiki page explaining the problems
02:22 RA                Sorry but i am quiting. Bye
02:22 paul_p            bye RA. sweet dreams
02:22 Brooke            I'd like a wiki page to be called summat better than "In discussion" cause that's not terribly descriptive
02:22 * oleonard        thinks the term "summat" is confusing to English and non-English speakers alike
02:23 Brooke            this is true
02:23 Brooke            I'm thinking "Bug and Enhancement Discussion" Is that amenable?
02:23 paul_p            Brooke of course. Your english is rumored to be better than mine
02:24 Brooke            then we can have subcategories for bugs and enhancements
02:24 Brooke            perhaps further subdivided by severity
02:24 Brooke            so that folks get to talking about stuff that's more important first
02:24 Brooke            it's just a rumour, paul
02:24 Brooke            I think you're prolly easier to understand than me at most times
02:25 paul_p            I was thinking that this page would be an entry, listing all discussions. This listing would, you're right have a column "severity"
02:25 paul_p            Brooke not false ;-)
02:25 Brooke            k
02:25 thd               paul_p: Is discussion not useful for all bugs?  What is the special distinction which you are proposing?
02:25 oleonard          Not all bugs raise issues which don't have a clear consensus
02:26 Brooke            I agree owen
02:26 paul_p            thd : look at 7387, 7248 and 6193
02:26 jransom           Apologies for lateness (Jo Ransom - HLT)
02:26 Brooke            you wouldn't want to go discussing history.txt changes, yes?
02:26 paul_p            they try to add caching, with different methods, and introduce some change over existing caching
02:27 paul_p            what do we want to do ? we need to be consistent, so this must be discussed
02:27 paul_p            then a decision, then we all know where we're going
02:28 Brooke            I don't think we've fleshed this out quite enough for a vote just yet
02:28 Brooke            I think the wiki component is done, but I could be wrong
02:28 oleonard          I worry that a wiki page will not get noticed. Is a thread on the devel list not more amenable to discussions?
02:28 paul_p            bug 7075 is a little bit different = seems it can't be reproduced anymore. Maybe it's not worth discussing a lot for this one. but it will at least highlight the problem
02:28 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7075 trivial, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, In Discussion , Fine in days values are returned for patrons with past overdues when fine in days is set to 0
02:28 paul_p            oleonard in y proposition, there will be both
02:28 Brooke            there's going to be a thread on devel according to the proposal
02:28 paul_p            do a page / send a mail to koha-devel
02:28 Brooke            but I'd add the main list
02:29 Brooke            I want to avoid programming in a vacuum at all costs.
02:29 paul_p            Brooke agreed for some discussions, but I feel that sometimes it would just confuse
02:29 paul_p            for example, the "how to manage caching" discussion is a technical one
02:29 Brooke            I think the folks that are confused would either not take part or perhaps might learn summat
02:30 oleonard          I think already folks on the Koha list thing it's too technically-oriented
02:30 oleonard          ...hence calls for a separate user list
02:31 paul_p            I won't argue a lot against the idea to send mail to koha main list if you think it's a good idea.
02:31 Brooke            I think it's worth it for a lot of the things that would change functionality
02:32 paul_p            maybe there should be a specific title header, like [DISCUSSION TECH] or [DISCUSSION FEATURE]
02:32 paul_p            Brooke definetly !
02:32 Brooke            that would probably help folks sort their mail and hit their delete keys sooner :)
02:32 Brooke            okay so timelines
02:32 Brooke            we have meetings monthly
02:33 Brooke            but you want this to be a 2 week span
02:33 Brooke            also, GBSD is theoretically monthly too, yes?
02:33 thd               paul_p: Librarians should probably be alerted where library science issues are at stake but those questions are generally different from what I think you are intending.
02:33 SpaceLibrarian    agree with thd
02:33 paul_p            thd probably
02:34 paul_p            Brooke would you suggest something like : "open the discussion until next IRC -but no less than 1 week- and validate the decision here" ?
02:34 thd               paul_p: Nothing should ever preclude subsequent discussion after some time period if there is a serious issue to be discussed.
02:35 paul_p            (validate or vote)
02:35 Brooke            #idea discussion mails will be flagged [Discussion Tech] [Discussion Feature] so folks that don't wish to follow a thread can easily delete
02:35 Brooke            I think we need to separate that a bit
02:35 paul_p            #idea discussion mails will be sent to both koha-devel and koha main mailing list
02:36 Brooke            is there anyone here that thinks discussion should last LESS than a week?
02:36 thd               Brooke: Your flagging idea is even better for alerting people to pay attention as opposed to ignoring.
02:36 Brooke            not my idea, pauls :D
02:36 thd               :0
02:36 Brooke            going once
02:36 paul_p            my main concern is to have everybody able to say what they think, not everybody is at the IRC meeting
02:36 Brooke            going twice
02:37 Brooke            I agree paul
02:37 Brooke            going gone
02:37 paul_p            Brooke sometimes the discussion will quickly reach an agreement
02:37 Brooke            one hopes
02:37 SpaceLibrarian    indeed
02:37 paul_p            but less than a week seems really short
02:37 Brooke            right
02:37 Brooke            which everyone agreed with
02:37 thd               the 2 UTC hour seems about the worst for IRC participation.
02:38 paul_p            seems...
02:38 SpaceLibrarian    possibly because a good chunk from our side are actually in the middle of a library conference this time.
02:38 Brooke            seems that Kiwis make their plum time
02:38 eythian           Yeah, everyone's at Vala
02:38 Brooke            anyhow
02:39 paul_p            Brooke also seems that rangi & bob/irma are at a conf
02:39 oleonard          No excuses for the Americans :P
02:39 Brooke            moving to vote
02:39 Brooke            question will be
02:39 Brooke            Discussion will be opened over the listserv and closed at the IRC meeting but never less than a week's time for input
02:40 Brooke            all in favour +1
02:40 Brooke            if that doesn't make sense, say so and I'll try a rephrase
02:40 oleonard          +1
02:40 paul_p            +1
02:40 SpaceLibrarian    +1
02:40 thd               Brooke: Discussion of what?
02:41 thd               Brooke: I am confused about the question being put to a vote.
02:41 Brooke            Bugs and Patchs as per paul's prior discussion
02:41 Brooke            patches even
02:42 thd               +1
02:42 Brooke            okay
02:42 Brooke            hopefully this will work
02:42 Brooke            it carries
02:42 Brooke            hey, guess what
02:42 Brooke            it's global bug squashing day
02:43 Brooke            :)
02:43 paul_p            the pile of bugs pending QA has grown to 14 today. It was something like 8 yesterday.
02:43 Brooke            I think we've got a lot done thanks to that
02:43 paul_p            the pile of "need signoff" has moved from 94 to 66
02:44 Brooke            hooray
02:44 oleonard          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-02-08_Global_bug_squashing_day
02:44 Brooke            #info thanks bug squashers :D
02:44 paul_p            #info more bug testers needed
02:45 paul_p            really.
02:45 paul_p            cait noticed a few days ago that some bugs stay "need signoff" probably because they are hard to test.
02:45 Brooke            Did we need to review anything from last meeting?
02:46 paul_p            she said something like "easy or small bugs are usually fast to be signed off, but hardest ones are not"
02:46 paul_p            (still on previous topic)
02:46 Brooke            it's a sticky problem
02:46 paul_p            agreed
02:46 Brooke            just like attracting people that are not professional developers associated with the project is
02:47 Brooke            if we could work on either
02:47 Brooke            it'd be a damn fine day
02:47 Brooke            any other stuff?
02:47 thd               paul_p: What we do not want and apparently do not have for these is people signing off without really taking the time to test properly.
02:48 paul_p            thd ???
02:48 wahanui           thd is concerned that CCL, Pazpar2, and Zebra support should not be an either that or Solr/Lucene option.  We need CCL and Pazpar2 for metasearch and we currently need Zebra for a Z39.50/SRU server. or concerned that indentation styles which do not collapse in vim lead to overly long lines which cannot always be broken across multiple lines.
02:48 thd               old news wahanui
02:48 paul_p            (well, I think I understand and agree)
02:49 thd               paul_p: Send reminders about testing patches to the mailing list with catchy subject lines.
02:50 Brooke            which was settled earlier under the discussion tag thing :)
02:50 thd               :)
02:50 paul_p            that could be a good plan with sandboxes = it will be easier to do. will do that frequently, thx thd
02:50 Brooke            I'm suggesting 14 March 18.00 UTC
02:51 Brooke            good? +1
02:51 paul_p            -1
02:51 thd               [Test this bug for the great warm bug tester glow]
02:51 Brooke            problem with the day paul?
02:51 paul_p            could it be the next week ? because it's the hackfest in europe
02:51 Brooke            ah crap
02:51 Brooke            of course
02:52 paul_p            21th could be fun = we could stay and have dinner while IRCing
02:52 Brooke            21 March 18.00 UTC
02:52 paul_p            (will be 7PM for us)
02:52 thd               +1
02:52 paul_p            +1
02:52 jwagner           Why the move away from the first week in March?
02:52 Brooke            cause I'm going to the opera
02:53 paul_p            lol (be it true or not ;-) )
02:53 Brooke            if someone else wants to chair, fine by me
02:53 jwagner           For the entire week?
02:53 thd               jwagner: A fine reason.
02:53 thd               jwagner: I think that the issue is also that Wednesday is favoured.
02:53 Brooke            do you have an issue with 21 March jane?
02:54 paul_p            wed++ for me
02:54 jwagner           Just wondering -- the meeting is normally first week, and this will be a six-week gap
02:54 thd               s/Wednesday/Wednesday UTC/  # actual day varies with time zone
02:54 Brooke            might be a good thing
02:55 Brooke            any other feedback?
02:55 oleonard          21st is fine with me
02:55 thd               jwagner: People might have to actually use the mailing list and non-meeting IRC a bit more to communicate during the interval :)
02:55 Brooke            #agreed Next meeting 21 March 18.00 UTC
02:55 Brooke            #endmeeting
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02:56 oleonard          That meeting was...shall we say...intimate in scale.
02:56 paul_p            yeah ! thx for this short meeting. Going to bed again !
02:56 oleonard          Thanks for being here paul_p
02:56 Brooke            the kiwi ones generally are
02:56 Brooke            but I <3 them any way :)
02:56 Brooke            also less than an hour is a happy thing
02:56 paul_p            oleonard yep, was intimate and efficient.
02:57 paul_p            is the later because of the former ?
02:57 Brooke            mebbe
02:57 Brooke            but there wasn't anything on the agenda that was cagematchy
02:57 Brooke            which helps
02:57 paul_p            I think it's also because we hadn't too many decisions to discuss
02:57 Brooke            Aedunno, I think your patch thing was substantive
02:57 paul_p            I think we should not *start* discussions during the IRC. We should *close* them
02:57 thd               oleonard: This hour generally guarantees shorter meetings but unfortunately also less participation.
02:58 Brooke            I'm fine with them starting and closing
02:58 Brooke            I'm not fine with never voting
02:58 Brooke            which I think I'm dragging people into kicking and screaming
02:58 Brooke            I'd rather know that no one likes summat than not know where anyone is
02:58 lculber           Is there anyone still up who knows how to reinitialise the whole zebra database from scratch without rebuilding the database?
02:58 paul_p            at BibLibre, clrh help us using timeboxing
02:59 lculber           We've reindexed 5 times now
02:59 paul_p            that was new to me, and I see it's really efficient.
02:59 Brooke            paul is that a trick you kow?
02:59 paul_p            Brooke ?
02:59 wahanui           I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag.
02:59 Brooke            heh
02:59 Brooke            can you help linda?
03:00 paul_p            not now, i want my bed again ...
03:00 paul_p            bye #koha (4AM for me)
03:00 oleonard          Yes, let paul_p go to bed!
03:00 lculber           Yeah, me too. I've been at work 15 hours now.
03:00 Brooke            mebbe mail paul and he'll get back to ye
03:00 eythian           lculber: what happened when you tried the info in that link I sent you?
03:00 thd               paul_p: I think what Brooke had meant to ask is whether there is a timeboxing trick we could use more generally.
03:00 Brooke            no that's not what I meant thd
03:00 thd               never mind
03:01 Brooke            the meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe
03:01 Brooke            the only equitable thing to do is rotate the time
03:01 oleonard          lculber, you'll certainly be able to get advice tomorrow
03:01 * oleonard        is zebra-ignorant
03:01 lculber           We've still been working on it. What we've come up with is copying over from last night, and losing today.  That's the best we can do
03:01 Brooke            I still don't mind the kiwi plum time because it's very seldom that we don't get lots of kiwis at their time
03:01 thd               Brooke: what had you meant?
03:01 Brooke            I had meant that Paul should help Linda XD
03:02 thd               I took those as separate
03:02 eythian           lculber: what did you do that caused it to start happening?
03:03 oleonard          See you in 10 hours #koha
03:04 lculber           We had made a change to the index in the test database that worked, Then did in another instance, and it worked, and then did the exact same thing in this one, and boom!!
03:05 thd               perhaps eythian will help.  Zebra indexing seems a little too much like a black box for which an expedient method of killing phantom records from a previous indexing run is a mystery too me.
03:05 thd               s/too/to/
03:05 eythian           lculber: what change did you make?
03:06 lculber           It was to make the call number index.  Kyle had shown us how to do it and it worked on the test server and in two instances on the production server.
03:06 thd               s/to/too/ ; s/too me/to me/ ;
03:06 eythian           you didn't happen to make an error when making the change on the third?
03:07 lculber           I ran a diff and it showed nothing. And, since I'm paranoid, I had made a backup and changed it back. It didn't help.  Still broken.
03:07 libsysguy         seen bag
03:07 wahanui           bag was last seen on #koha 9 hours, 37 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: bug 7458 [Tue Feb  7 17:28:48 2012]
03:07 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7458 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , New call number allocation plugin
03:07 bag               hey
03:07 libsysguy         sup
03:07 bag               wassup
03:08 libsysguy         nm just working on some koha patches for my class project
03:08 libsysguy         wondering if you still wanted my code for hourly
03:08 eythian           lculber: did you try the thing in the link I sent?
03:09 lculber           Yes.  I've tried that, and pasted the error to the irc but it was right before the meeting.
03:10 eythian           the only thing before the meeting was me sending you that link :)
03:11 Brooke            thanks for coming back again after the meeting :)
03:11 lculber           Right. And we ran that which you sent during the meeting - twice.
03:11 lculber           I actually lurked during the meeting.
03:12 eythian           can you send the output from the last rebuild_zebra?
03:12 eythian           (using paste)
03:13 pastebot          "lculber" at pasted "output from index" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/248
03:14 eythian           uhm that's fishy
03:14 eythian           it shouldn't take <1 second to process 100,000 records.
03:14 lculber           What we discovered was that it wasn't writing to the the zebradb at all and the permissions are fine. So we copied over from another instance that has the same data
03:15 lculber           Well - not the same data - we are missing today
03:15 eythian           does /etc/catalog/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg exist?
03:15 eythian           that's an unusal path
03:16 lculber           let me check
03:16 eythian           and, if so, does it match what's on the machines that worked?
03:16 lculber           what we found was that running rebuild -b -r  empties it out but doen't rebuild it.
03:17 eythian           hmm
03:17 lculber           The match is a day off.  The machine that is broken is the machine that the catalogers add to.
03:17 eythian           well, it's more a case of "does the file exist"?
03:18 * thd             must eat
03:18 lculber           yes I see /etc/catalog/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg
03:19 lculber           and it is owned by koha
03:20 eythian           OK
03:21 eythian           something has changed recently that seems to cause a reindex to not put out as much information as it should, previously it gave a summary of what it had done.
03:21 eythian           THis change makes things harder to fix.
03:22 lculber           The only thing different in the cfg files is the name of the instance name
03:23 Amit_Gupta        heya bag
03:23 bag               hey Amit_Gupta
03:25 eythian           lculber: I'm kinda stumped really. It's tedious and tricky, but you could try doing the reindexing part by hand to see what's happening. Turning all the debug options you can find on.
03:25 Amit_Gupta        heya Robin
03:25 eythian           hi there Amit_Gupta
03:27 lculber           We're giving up for tonight and going to try again tomorrow.  We think something happened today that we need to figure out and need some sleep. Thanks all.
03:42 BobB              @seen mtj
03:42 huginn`           BobB: mtj was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 12 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: * mtj waves to all
03:44 eythian           wahanui: amazon reviews
03:44 wahanui           eythian: excuse me?
03:44 eythian           wahanui: amazon reviews is <reply>they won't work until bug 5568 is fixed
03:44 wahanui           OK, eythian.
03:44 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5568 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Upgrade Amazon module to support Product Advertising API
03:50 Amit_Gupta        @seen Amit_gupta
03:50 huginn`           Amit_Gupta: Amit_gupta was last seen in #koha 24 minutes and 39 seconds ago: <Amit_Gupta> heya Robin
03:50 Amit_Gupta        @seen mtj
03:50 huginn`           Amit_Gupta: mtj was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 19 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: * mtj waves to all
04:15 libsysguy         anybody have a good idea of how receiving a new shipment works?
04:16 libsysguy         I am trying to add some fields and it just occurred to me that I have no idea how it actually functions
05:33 libsysguy         hi cait
05:33 libsysguy         i just saw your comment
05:34 cait              :)
05:34 libsysguy         I was reading through that bug report
05:34 cait              I wanted to test it
05:34 cait              but had no time yet
05:34 libsysguy         is that ready to go or is it still waiting on table modifications
05:34 cait              it sure looks very interesting
05:34 libsysguy         I am not very familiar with that section of Koha
05:34 cait              the table name is only a small bit, it waits still for testing mostly
05:35 cait              but I think having a separate table is a good idea
05:35 libsysguy         ok
05:35 libsysguy         I was actaully almost done with the bug that I submitted
05:35 cait              paul_p asked me to test the functionality but I had no time, so he suggested to move to in discussion for the table name
05:35 cait              yeah I thought so
05:35 cait              that's why you should file the bug first ;)
05:35 libsysguy         lol yeah you know I work quick :p
05:36 libsysguy         oh I did
05:36 cait              and search bugzilla
05:36 libsysguy         i filed then started working
05:36 cait              alll I did was a search for invoices
05:36 libsysguy         yeah…I didn't think to look for parcel
05:37 libsysguy         i did a search for shipment date and invoice date
05:37 libsysguy         I should probably just get better at searching for bugs
05:37 libsysguy         :-\
05:37 cait              broader terms are better in my experiecne :(
05:37 libsysguy         its ok…what i've done didn't take much time
05:37 cait              bugzilla is not really like koha
05:37 cait              in terms of search *sigh*
05:37 cait              I knew it was there
05:38 libsysguy         i can just revert my work
05:39 libsysguy         ill keep an eye on that bug so I can see when it gets pushed
05:39 libsysguy         I just have to have this patch done for a project in one of my classes
05:39 cait              oh
05:39 cait              not sure it has both dates you wanted
05:39 cait              you could test and perhaps built on it
05:39 libsysguy         yeah that is what I was thinking about
05:40 libsysguy         and just adding bug 5339 as a block
05:40 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Parcel closing in acq
05:42 libsysguy         ok guys im out for the night…gnight #Koha
05:57 cait              @wunder Konstanz
05:57 huginn`           cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -10.2�C (6:54 AM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Rising).
06:03 Amit_Gupta        @wunder Bangalore
06:03 huginn`           Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 19.0�C (8:30 AM IST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 17.0�C.
06:03 Amit_Gupta        heya cait :)
06:04 Amit_Gupta        @wunder Dehradun
06:04 huginn`           Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 10.0�C (8:30 AM IST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa.
06:04 Amit_Gupta        @wunder New Delhi
06:04 huginn`           Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 14.0�C (10:30 AM IST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
07:38 alex_a            hello
07:38 wahanui           privet, alex_a
07:38 alex_a            privet, wahanui
07:38 wahanui           alex_a: huh?
07:38 reiveune          hello
07:38 wahanui           hello, reiveune
07:44 cait              hi alex_a and reiveune :)
07:44 cait              brb
07:46 sophie_m          hello #koha
07:51 sheikh303         need a good tutorial on System Preferences configuration of koha!!
07:52 julian_m          hello
07:52 wahanui           salut, julian_m
07:58 Suzzane           Hi everyone
07:59 Suzzane           am trying to configure the systems preferences and am stuck at OPAC
07:59 Suzzane           it looks so technical
07:59 Suzzane           kindly advice
08:02 Suzzane           anybody home.....
08:05 Amit_Gupta        heya Suzzane, asaurat
08:05 asaurat           hi!!
08:09 francharb         morning #koha
08:09 Suzzane           Hi Amit...
08:10 Suzzane           kindly advice on my above stated issue
08:11 sheikh303         need the same assistance here too!!
08:11 Suzzane           somebody, anybody....help
08:14 gaetan_B          hello #koha!
08:39 Suzzane           hi Paul
08:42 Amit_Gupta        heya gaten_B
09:15 kf                good morning #koha
09:22 drojf1            good day #koha
09:23 drojf1            moin kf :)
09:23 drojf1            seems we missed a rather small and short meeting
09:36 kf                no surprise
09:36 kf                haven't read the logs yet
10:12 mib_63rhkq        Anyone around that might know how to set debug on LDAP authentication? I have tried setting the C4::Debug::debug=1 but isn't working!
10:27 alex_a            mib_63rhkq: you can add a setenv directive in apache virtualhost i think ?
10:29 alex_a            otherwise you change $debug and warn 'xxxx' by warn 'xxxx' :)
10:30 mib_63rhkq        alex_a: Thanks, I have tried both! Not even sure where it should be logging. I tried running opac-user.pl from command line after setting DEBUG but still nothing related to LDAP appears!
10:32 alex_a            mib_63rhkq: take a look at ErrorLog direction from apache virtualhost. Usualy logs message go in site_dir/var/log/koha-error_log or koha-opac-error_log
10:32 alex_a            s/direction/directive/
10:34 alex_a            else could be written in /var/log/apache2/error.log
10:36 alex_a            and opac-user.pl from command line is too verbose because writing all html ouput :)
10:38 mib_63rhkq        yeah - nothing in either logs and the screen!
10:47 alex_a            mib_63rhkq: nothing in /var/log/apache2 ?
11:16 mib_63rhkq        Nope, nothing at all - strange
11:26 kf                hi paul_p
11:26 kf                gbsd is still on!! :)
11:39 * jcamins_away    looks in from the bus.
11:41 jcamins           @later tell libsysguy Do you have something against normal business hours? :P I should be around today 10/10:30-4 EST and then 6/7-late EST.
11:41 huginn`           jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:57 jcamins           And the bus broke down.
12:01 kf                oh
12:01 kf                hi jcamins_away
12:07 drojf1            he's probably push-starting the bus right now ;)
12:07 * kf              giggles at the image
12:08 jcamins_away      lol
12:10 jcamins_away      I am now on a different bus.
12:10 drojf1            should have pushed harder :P
12:11 drojf1            kf: do you know anything about getting authorities from dnb?
12:11 kf                hmm no
12:11 kf                but I can ask my coworker
12:11 kf                what do you want to do?
12:12 drojf1            [off] i think we have an account now, but unfortunately my colleague has better things to do than talking to me
12:12 kf                [off] if you have an account, you can perhaps download them - but Koha can't download authorities via 239.50
12:12 kf                only bibliographic records
12:13 kf                our libraries are partcipating in the union catalog, so we get the authorities from there
12:13 drojf1            guess i will call my boss to get some details acout the account and then have a look
12:13 drojf1            *about
12:13 drojf1            and work from home
12:13 kf                jcamins_away: sorry, it took me too long this morning to finish my notes on the distance study course - but will continue testng your linker tonight
12:13 jcamins_away      kf: I look forward to hearing what you find.
12:13 drojf1            less distractions. well s/less distractions/nicer distractions :D
12:14 kf                jcamins_away: I am curious too :)
12:14 kf                nicer distractions like #koha? ;)
12:14 jcamins_away      Hm.
12:14 jcamins_away      Testing bug 7432 is really hard on a bus.
12:14 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 critical, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Changing frameworks should refresh cache
12:14 kf                ah
12:14 kf                I can imagine
12:14 kf                and you have to wait
12:14 drojf1            i could have #koha there too, i would take my notebook. but yes, less rl distractions ;)
12:15 jcamins_away      kf: exactly. I might have to leave it for someone else to test.
12:15 jcamins_away      Or do it tonight.
12:15 kf                it's on my list too - but happy if you beat me to it
12:15 kf                finding time is a bit hard at the moment :(
12:17 jcamins_away      :(
12:24 jcamins_away      Only a few minutes late to get to the city.
12:24 jcamins_away      I'll be back from uptown in a few hours.
12:24 jcamins_away      Bye.
13:23 oleonard          Hi #koha
13:24 magnuse           g'day #koha
13:27 tcohen            hi #koha
13:28 tcohen            i missed the irc meeting, hope you reached a procedure for desition making on discussed topic
13:29 oleonard          We did.
13:29 tcohen            hi oleonard
13:30 magnuse           the meetbot minutes say: "discussion mails will be flagged [Discussion Tech] [Discussion Feature] so folks that don't wish to follow a thread can easily delete"
13:30 magnuse           and "discussion mails will be sent to both koha-devel and koha main mailing list"
13:30 magnuse           http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-02-08-02.00.html
13:34 tcohen            thanks magnuse
13:34 magnuse           np tcohen
13:39 drojf1            @wunder berlin, germany
13:39 huginn`           drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -3.7�C (2:12 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.75 in 1041.2 hPa (Falling).
13:40 drojf1            warmish :)
13:42 magnuse           @wunder boo
13:42 huginn`           magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0�C (2:20 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.69 in 1039 hPa (Steady).
13:42 magnuse           heh, that's better
13:42 tcohen            @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:42 huginn`           tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 19.0�C (10:21 AM ART on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
13:42 magnuse           even better!
13:43 magnuse           @wunder marseille
13:43 huginn`           magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 0.0�C (2:30 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
13:43 magnuse           warmer in bod� than in marseille!
13:44 magnuse           and the sun is shining again - life is good!
13:45 oleonard          @wunder 45701
13:45 huginn`           oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 2.0�C (8:40 AM EST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
13:45 drojf1            we have sun too. i wonder if i should go out a little
13:47 magnuse           sounds like a good idea!
13:47 drojf1            getting awake a little would definitely help with learning git
13:50 magnuse           probably won't hurt ;-)
13:54 mib_63rhkq        Anyone know if the Auth_with_ldap module minds if the LDAP server is Novell?
13:55 oleonard          Maybe we should have a list on the wiki of "who uses X obscure feature of Koha" for question referrals.
13:55 * oleonard        doesn't know anything about Koha's LDAP
13:55 magnuse           yeah, that would be very cool!
13:55 * oleonard        ...beyond unfulfilled promises of a certain former vendor CEO who shall not be named
13:56 mib_63rhkq        I've had no problem with AD, but Novell isn't playing nice
13:57 drojf1            that's novell ;)
13:58 * magnuse         thinks all the twitter feeds from gbsd should be restored now
13:59 oleonard          magnuse++
13:59 magnuse           yay ;-)
13:59 magnuse           and here are the hourly stats for gbsd#9 so far: http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/gbsd/gbsd9/hourlystatus-gbsd9.txt
14:06 kf                magnuse++
14:06 kf                @wunder Konstanz
14:06 huginn`           kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -6.6�C (3:04 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 30.52 in 1033.4 hPa (Falling).
14:07 magnuse           almost 10 degrees warmer here :-)
14:07 kf                :P
14:31 tcohen            git-email broken on precise
14:33 magnuse           "broken on precise"?
14:35 gmcharlt          precise pangolin
14:36 * oleonard        can't get his pangolin to even color inside the lines
14:36 kf                pangolin?
14:36 drojf1            lol
14:36 kf                oh
14:36 kf                ubuntu
14:36 magnuse           https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin
14:36 tcohen            precise pangolin, the next ubuntu
15:08 * oleonard        is preparing a follow-up for Bug 6919 for MARC21
15:08 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6919 major, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Implementing XSLTResultsDisplay
15:15 * wizzyrea        waves
15:15 oleonard          Hi wizzyrea
15:15 oleonard          I wonder if people like having numbers on the staff client search results
15:16 wizzyrea          I get a lot of "why is x result number 10 on the list"
15:16 wizzyrea          without the numbers, they'd have to count
15:16 oleonard          If we took out the numbers you could say "It's not, it's number 9" and they turn back to count and you'd run away.
15:16 wizzyrea          not sure if that's necessarily a reason to keep them
15:17 wizzyrea          hehe that's what I was thinking too... might cut down on support calls >.>
15:17 wizzyrea          but that's almost certainly not a reason to remove them. Heh.
15:17 oleonard          It's not a question of removing them but adding them to the XSLT results display
15:17 wizzyrea          ohhh
15:17 wizzyrea          then yes, I'd probably add them
15:18 * wizzyrea        tries to figure out why this db update won't fire.
15:19 * oleonard        grumbles that now he has to go figure out how to do that :)
15:35 jcamins_away      libsysguy: I am here.
15:36 libsysguy         heyyy
15:36 libsysguy         yes I do have something against normal business hours...my job never lets me work on KOha during them
15:36 libsysguy         so I was testing out the linker script
15:36 jcamins           lol
15:37 jcamins           Tell them to fix that.
15:37 libsysguy         and I kept getting this weird unable to connect to database error
15:37 jcamins           Uh-oh.
15:37 jcamins           Unable to connect to database?
15:37 jcamins           Are you sure you have KOHA_CONF set properly?
15:37 libsysguy         let me verify taht is what it said
15:38 libsysguy         i know it was something to that effect
15:40 libsysguy         oAuth error: Database unavailable (109) authorities Bib-1
15:40 jcamins           Ah.
15:40 libsysguy         it just overflows the screen with that
15:40 jcamins           And are you able to search for authorities in the web client?
15:41 libsysguy         well I suppose I can search...nothing that I have searched for has turned up any results
15:42 jcamins           Did you follow the instructions that said "be sure to install such-and-such files in etc/zebradb"?
15:43 libsysguy         instructions!
15:43 wahanui           instructions are coming right now to the wiki near you
15:43 libsysguy         NEVER!!
15:43 libsysguy         so no...really i missed that
15:43 libsysguy         was it in the ticket?
15:43 jcamins           wahanui: lol!
15:43 wahanui           jcamins: i'm not following you...
15:43 jcamins           Yup.
15:43 jcamins           Also mentioned in the commit message, I think.
15:43 libsysguy         and now I feel retarded
15:43 tcohen            here we go
15:44 jcamins           Which, granted, is the length of a Tolstoy novel.
15:44 kf                I almost missed them too :)
15:44 libsysguy         haha, yeah maybe you should have considered a tl;dr section
15:44 jcamins           It's a big feature. What can I say?
15:45 libsysguy         i did run the atomic update :p
15:45 jcamins           Good, so now you just have to install the Zebra configs and reindex
15:46 libsysguy         oh god...WHYYY
15:46 libsysguy         i should just delete all my bibs except for like 10
15:46 jcamins           Just the authorities.
15:46 libsysguy         all harry potter
15:46 jcamins           No, the bibs are fine.
15:46 jcamins           Leave the bibs!
15:46 jcamins           Don't reindex the bibs.
15:46 libsysguy         ok not reindexing the bibs
15:46 * jcamins         hopes he said that before you started the reindex.
15:46 jcamins           Right. Just the authorities.
15:47 libsysguy         oh I never just hit the nuke button on a reindex
15:47 libsysguy         that kills a good 6 hours
15:48 tcohen            koha@lists.koha-community.org
15:48 tcohen            is it ok?
15:48 jcamins           Please tell me that you aren't doing this on production, libsysguy.
15:49 jcamins           tcohen: yeah, just looking at your e-mail now.
15:49 libsysguy         oh heck no
15:49 jcamins           tcohen: FWIW, I think the memoization modification that you proposed sounds brilliant, but I'm not an expert in memoization.
15:49 libsysguy         I just moved the database over from prod
15:49 tcohen            Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14).
15:50 jcamins           tcohen: that's weird. On your message about caching?
15:50 tcohen            koha-devel@lists.. didnt reject
15:51 kf                tcohen: you are subscribed with this email?
15:52 paul_p            tcohen you sent the mail to koha@lists.koha-community.org
15:52 paul_p            this ML does not exist !!!
15:52 tcohen            exactly :-D
15:52 paul_p            it's koha@lists.katipo.co.nz
15:52 kf                ah right
15:52 tcohen            I should have let gmail choose the right address instead of typing it
15:52 tcohen            :-P
16:06 mib_63rhkq        Hi, I have a 3.06.02 site that uses LDAP for account creation. The account is auto creating fine but the user gets a HTTP 500 screen on first login?
16:06 mib_63rhkq        The second login works fine. The error logs shows "Bad header :--------------------------------" opac-user.pl
16:06 mib_63rhkq        and ideas?
16:06 * jcamins         has never used LDAP with Koha, sorry.
16:07 jcamins           Has anyone ever tried parallelizing rebuild_zebra?
16:07 libsysguy         shudders at the thought
16:07 drojf             no idea of ldap, but if you can't fox it make a nice custom http 500 screen. sorry for not being more helpful
16:07 libsysguy         mib_63rhkq: so you're using update and replicate?
16:07 drojf             *fix
16:07 mib_63rhkq        jcamins: 2 indexing running together?
16:07 maximep           mib_63rhkq: is there an error in your koha opac error log?
16:07 libsysguy         ^^
16:08 jcamins           mib_63rhkq: I meant having Zebra indexing on two (or more) cores.
16:08 mib_63rhkq        yes, the error is " Malformed header, Bad header :--------------------------------" opac-user.pl
16:09 mib_63rhkq        malformed header from script. Bad header=------------------------------: opac-user.pl, referer:
16:09 maximep           oh wow, misread that you already told us
16:09 mib_63rhkq        ^^ is the exact error
16:10 mib_63rhkq        libsysguy: I am just using replicate
16:13 libsysguy         and are you using ADLDAP or openLDAP?
16:14 mib_63rhkq        So, editing the opac-user.pl script to add a "print Content-type: text/html\n" makes this work - the screen looks terrible though as it dumps session info to the header
16:14 mib_63rhkq        I am using Novell LDAP
16:14 mib_63rhkq        I am happy the LDAP part is working as the account is acutally created and if you click "Log In" again it will log in correctly
16:15 mib_63rhkq        It's just the first time an account is created it fails.
16:15 tcohen            jcamins: do u mean processing different chunks with different processes?
16:15 jcamins           tcohen: right.
16:16 tcohen            never tried it
16:17 jcamins           Nor have I.
16:18 oleonard          Anyone know if there's a reason why OPAC built-in author searches end in 'q=au:"Author name"' and intranet ones end in '?idx=au&q=Author name' ?
16:18 oleonard          Are they functionally identical?
16:18 jcamins           oleonard: 'cause we hate the OPAC?
16:18 tcohen            jcamins: I think it should be possible, taking care of using shadow registers
16:18 jcamins           tcohen: yeah, that was my thought.
16:18 hdl               jcamins: i would not advise to run parallel indexing.
16:18 jcamins           It was more idle curiosity than anything else, though.
16:18 tcohen            but no record overlap
16:19 oleonard          jcamins: ?
16:19 tcohen            because of the way shadow registers are commited
16:19 jcamins           oleonard: the version in the intranet is unambiguous and avoids CCL (which sucks).
16:19 jcamins           The version in the OPAC is potentially ambiguous and uses CCL (which sucks).
16:20 hdl               in fact, it works, since we acidentally have had some rebuild_zebra runing in //
16:20 oleonard          Okay, so the the intranet version is preferred. That's what I needed to know jcamins
16:20 tcohen            i mean, the chunks have empty intersection of records between
16:20 jcamins           oleonard: right.
16:20 jcamins           hdl: I was thinking for a complete rebuild.
16:20 hdl               But problem is that zebraidx is really proc consuming
16:20 jcamins           hdl: if you have sixteen idle processors, might as well use 'em all, though. ;)
16:20 hdl               you would have to use cgroups imho
16:21 jcamins           oleonard: right. We use CCL in the OPAC because it's easier, but it's probably not a good idea.
16:23 jcamins           What would be a really good idea is using some sort of query parsing liberary.
16:23 jcamins           *library
16:23 jcamins           hdl: does BibLibre have a preferred query parsing library?
16:24 * jcamins         won't be rewriting C4::Search anytime soon, but it's nice to imagine.
16:25 libsysguy         haha aww jcamins I think your're the perfect guy to rewite C$::Search
16:25 jcamins           libsysguy: that may be, but who is going to sponsor it?
16:25 libsysguy         while you're at it you can just move it over to the Koha:: namespace
16:26 jcamins           libsysguy: that's the plan.
16:26 libsysguy         how much would it cost (jw not offering lol)
16:27 jcamins           libsysguy: a lot.
16:27 jcamins           Depending on exactly what the parameters were, probably 20k+.
16:27 oleonard          Many an adventurer have eyed that lofty peak, but none have dared challenge it.
16:28 jcamins           oleonard: for good reason!
16:28 sekjal            moving to Koha:: would be a lot like rewriting the whole software package
16:28 jcamins           sekjal: it would indeed.
16:28 sekjal            s/a lot like//;
16:28 jcamins           But keeping the community.
16:29 sekjal            yes
16:29 sekjal            that's the important part
16:29 jcamins           sekjal: but that was just for moving C4::Search to Koha::Search.
16:29 jcamins           And rewriting C4::Search to not suck
16:29 sekjal            I think we need, as a group, to plan out some of the larger structural choices around the new Koha:: namespace
16:30 kf                sekjal: I think overplanning it will make it never happen
16:30 sekjal            like having two layers:  DB access modules, and functional modules
16:30 kf                sekjal: there have already been some points made
16:30 * jcamins         is perfectly happy to accept any clear guidelines that are offered, but doesn't care enough.
16:30 jcamins           (to spend time planning)
16:30 kf                one could always add to these - they are on the bug or open discussion to incorporate another idea into the coding guidelines
16:31 jcamins           "Maintain strict MVC separation" pretty much covers it.
16:31 jcamins           (IMHO)
16:32 jcamins           Kaizen.
16:34 * kf              finally looked up kaizen
16:34 jcamins           kf: it's my mantra. Stolen from rangi.
16:34 * oleonard        has signed off on Bug 6919 but proposed a follow-up too which needs signoff
16:34 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6919 major, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Implementing XSLTResultsDisplay
16:35 jcamins           Ooooh.
16:35 jcamins           oleonard++
16:35 kf                oleonard++
16:35 kf                jcamins: I might steal it from you :)
16:35 jcamins           It's a good mantra.
16:39 maximep           the authorities search would output $ in front of results in 3.2, but doesn't seem to do it in 3.6. Any idea of why or how I could find out what changed ?
16:40 kf                ?
16:40 kf                maximep: authority search in opac or staff?
16:40 jcamins           maximep: are you sure that it's not a difference in the data?
16:40 jcamins           $9 at the beginning versus at the end?
16:40 maximep           staff
16:41 maximep           C4::AuthorieisMarc::SearchAuthorities is the same from what I see
16:41 maximep           might be something in my data
16:42 * jcamins         is pretty sure it's your data.
16:42 jcamins           maximep: but, while we're on the subject of authorities...
16:42 jcamins           Don't you want to test bug 7284?
16:42 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
16:42 jcamins           You do?!?
16:42 jcamins           Excellent!!!!
16:42 jcamins           :D
16:42 jcamins           I knew it.
16:42 maximep           nope, not my data
16:43 jcamins           maximep: hm.
16:43 maximep           just switched my symlink from 3.6 to 3.2
16:43 jcamins           Bug 7284 won't fix that, but is still worth trying again. :P
16:43 maximep           so should be using all the same stuff
16:43 jcamins           maximep: if there's a change, it wouldn't be in SearchAuthorities.
16:43 jcamins           It would be in BuildSummary.
16:44 maximep           ok, will look at it
16:46 gaetan_B          bye #koha!
16:49 maximep           aaaaaaaah found it
16:50 jcamins           What is it?
16:50 reiveune          bye
16:50 maximep           in 3.2           $heading.= $field->as_formatted();
16:50 maximep           in 3.6 $heading.= $field->as_string('abvxyz68');
16:50 jcamins           Ah.
16:50 jcamins           Hm.
16:51 maximep           now to look at who/when/why changed it
16:52 jcamins           maximep: was I right about where it would be?
16:52 maximep           yes
16:52 * jcamins         isn't sure whether he should be glad or not.
16:53 maximep           bug 4433
16:53 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4433 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, $a displayed in front of topical subjects in authority search
16:53 maximep           haha
16:53 maximep           for some reason your client wants it like is was :S
16:54 jcamins           maximep: for some reason?
16:54 jcamins           @quote get 123
16:54 huginn`           jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
16:56 wizzyrea          ^^ is always the reason
16:56 wizzyrea          :)
16:56 wizzyrea          it's not good or bad, it just is.
16:58 kf                bye all :)
16:59 jcamins           wizzyrea: how goes your testing of bug 7284?
16:59 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:00 wizzyrea          it would be going better if I could get 5 minutes in a row to look at it
17:00 oleonard          jcamins: Ask again in 4 minutes
17:00 jcamins           Hm, yes, that would help.
17:01 jcamins           oleonard: good idea.
17:09 * jcamins         signs off on bug 6299, again.
17:09 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms
17:13 jcamins           wizzyrea: how's it going? :P
17:13 wizzyrea          lol
17:14 jcamins           See, hdl's report on bug 6713 is a perfect example of something that would be fixed by a rewrite of C4::Search.
17:14 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6713 critical, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , marc import not matching
17:37 jcamins           March 21? Isn't it usually the second Wednesday?
17:37 oleonard          You could have objected if you'd been there :P
17:38 * jcamins         doesn't care.
17:38 jcamins           And, for the record, I rearranged my schedule to make the meeting.
17:38 oleonard          The meeting chair proposed it for mysterious reasons.
17:38 jcamins           Unfortunately, I rearranged my schedule to make the meeting on the wrong day.
17:38 jcamins           I am available at 9pm tonight.
17:38 jcamins           ;)
17:38 * oleonard        almost did the same thing
17:43 * oleonard        has worked all morning on Koha and has only increased the number of 'needs signoff' bugs...
17:44 wizzyrea          well it is bug squashing day, sometimes squashing bugs happens *before* it gets into koha
17:44 wizzyrea          I consider it good that we're doing our best to keep bugs out
17:45 * jcamins         signed off on stuff.
17:45 wizzyrea          quality > quantity?
17:45 * wizzyrea        tried to but ended up fixing the patch instead
18:11 slef              boom
18:11 wizzyrea          boom?
18:12 slef              feels a bit like it :)
18:12 slef              today started at something like 0811 and I've only just sat down to read email
18:12 jcamins           wizzyrea: that was the sound of everyone rushing to look at cute cat pictures. :)
18:12 slef              (10h ago, for those of you not in +0000)
18:13 slef              jcamins: http://invisiblecats.com/ ?
18:13 jcamins           Heh.
18:13 slef              by the way, I tried a random image server last week
18:13 wizzyrea          lol those are cute
18:13 jcamins           A random image server?
18:13 slef              serves a random image off the web
18:13 * jcamins         needs a source of CC-licensed cute cat pictures.
18:13 jcamins           Ah.
18:14 slef              there's a lot more porn around than when I last used one in 1999
18:14 wizzyrea          possibly the cutest thing I've ever seen: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwu94sgT4K1qiqo40o1_250.gif
18:14 jcamins           I was going to say that doesn't seem like a good idea.
18:14 slef              mah, I'm just an internet innocent
18:15 slef              No next meeting set last night? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_8_February_2012
18:15 jcamins           21 March.
18:16 slef              ah topic
18:16 slef              just spotted it
18:16 * slef            edits the wiki
18:16 * jcamins         waits for slef to ask why it isn't the second Wednesday.
18:16 slef              hackfest
18:16 wahanui           hackfest is slowly seing hackers leaving...
18:16 slef              hehha
18:16 jcamins           Ah, there actually was a reason.
18:16 jcamins           Cool.
18:17 slef              I thought you were just niggling me :)
18:17 jcamins           That's next month already?
18:17 jcamins           Wow.
18:17 jcamins           Nope.
18:17 * jcamins         asked, and then noticed that at least one other person had asked during the meeting.
18:17 * jcamins         didn't actually finish reading the notes, though, so he didn't see an answer.
18:22 slef              ok I think I've added it to two places where it should be (today's meeting page, and the IRC Meetings page)
18:22 slef              I guess I should check What Links Here on today's meeting page
18:22 slef              yeah, just those
18:22 slef              cool
18:28 wizzyrea          gah I really need to get stupid marcedit working somewhere.
18:28 slef              why?
18:29 * slef            exports to marcxml and uses an xml editor
18:30 * jcamins         too.
18:30 jcamins           Well, vim.
18:30 jcamins           It's like an XML editor, with less XML-y-ness.
18:30 libsysguy         emacs
18:31 libsysguy         its like an operating system
18:31 jcamins           That's like an XML editor, but includes a kitchen sinnk.
18:31 wizzyrea          meh.
18:31 * wizzyrea        curses people who develop only using windows .net
18:32 libsysguy         ^^
18:32 libsysguy         i have a lot of friends that only code in C#
18:32 * wizzyrea        curses them
18:32 wizzyrea          CURSE CURSE CURSE
18:33 wizzyrea          ok lunch.
18:33 oleonard          Back later.
18:35 slef              emacs zen-coding
18:42 * jcamins         tries to do the Twitter thing.
18:44 * maximep         just installed zen-coding for his editor and is loving it
18:58 slef              damn, I knew I shouldn't be sharing our secret sauce ;)
18:58 maximep           now I can't wait until I have a use for it
18:58 slef              I just cited Cuba as an example of democracy to someone in the US. I wonder what will happen next.
18:59 slef              maximep: ah good! If you're like me, you'll have forgotten the syntax by then!
19:02 maximep           well there's really nothing to remember
19:02 maximep           it's css syntax
19:03 maximep           but maybe I will forget it exists :p
19:03 slef              except when it isn't, like producing lots of li items
19:03 slef              or adding attributes to html tags
19:03 slef              which if you write marcxml, you will need to do
19:03 slef              at least I don't think they're css syntax
19:03 maximep           something[attribute] u mean ?
19:04 slef              but maybe I don't write as evil css as I could
19:04 maximep           hmmm maybe it's xpath
19:04 slef              hey I said I don't remember :)
19:04 slef              nah, I use xpath more and it's deffo not that
19:05 maximep           anyway, it looks a lot like jquery selectors, so I will probably remember it
19:05 maximep           cool stuff
19:05 slef              like: ul attr="value">li*10
19:06 slef              very cool, but quite Swiss Army Chainsaw
19:06 slef              wahanui: Swiss Army Chainsaw?
19:06 wahanui           slef: bugger all, i dunno
19:06 slef              wahanui: a Swiss Army Chainsaw is very useful but when you get it wrong, it will take your leg off.
19:06 wahanui           OK, slef.
19:07 slef              wahanui: public domain means if you break it, you get to keep both pieces.
19:07 wahanui           slef: i'm not following you...
19:07 slef              wahanui: public domain is if you break it, you get to keep both pieces.
19:07 wahanui           OK, slef.
19:08 slef              wahanui: C# is like making an octopus by nailing extra legs onto a dog - no-one is happy with the result and especially not the dog.
19:08 wahanui           OK, slef.
19:08 jcamins           C#?
19:08 wahanui           rumour has it C# is like making an octopus by nailing extra legs onto a dog - no-one is happy with the result and especially not the dog
19:11 slef              wahanui: a Dolly Parton business case is one that looks impressive at first sight but on closer inspection is incredible because it has insufficient support.
19:11 wahanui           OK, slef.
19:11 slef              wahanui: co-ops are the bomb found at http://www.ica.coop/
19:11 wahanui           OK, slef.
19:11 slef              wahanui: 2012 is the International Year of Co-operatives http://www.2012.coop/
19:11 wahanui           OK, slef.
19:11 slef              which is evil bad and wrong as a domain name but meh
19:12 slef              I once called a server beef without realising that's a valid hex number. Which caused some fun.
19:13 * wizzyrea        imagines your bovine inspired server, giggles
19:27 * jcamins         waits for bag, trea, and ago43 to change their nicks.
19:27 wizzyrea          !
19:27 jcamins           Oh, and JesseM and NateC are here too.
19:27 bag               heh ;)
19:27 trea              i refuse to participate.
19:27 * jcamins         waits expectantly.
19:27 trea              i'ts how i stay unique
19:27 wizzyrea          whut
19:27 bag               we are having THE fun
19:28 JesseM            :P
19:28 wizzyrea          oh.
19:30 slef              wizzyrea: they were actually stew-inspired.
19:31 slef              wizzyrea: we had beef, lamb, rabbit and veggie that I remember.
19:31 wizzyrea          yum
19:31 wizzyrea          i mean, the idea of stew in general
19:31 wizzyrea          is appealing to me :P
19:31 jcamins           wizzyrea: what about stone? I guess it's stone soup, though.
19:32 wizzyrea          sure, why not
19:32 wizzyrea          as long as it includes dumplings, we'll be cool.
19:32 slef              rabbit was replaced with a cluster and they had names of particular rabbits. peter, brer, roger, tantumbunky and I'm sure there was one more.
19:32 wizzyrea          hehe
19:32 jcamins           Whoops, I meant that to be directed to slef.
19:32 jcamins           Heh.
19:35 magnuse           wow, "tantumbunky" has 5 hits on google?
19:36 slef              magnuse: wow. Any of them me?
19:36 slef              yes
19:37 slef              three are mChicago, who I worked with; two are me
19:37 magnuse           heh
19:37 magnuse           a very particular rabbit, then
19:38 slef              yes
19:38 slef              It cracks me up
19:38 slef              I must tell its former owner
19:40 slef              hehe, the two that are me telling off another former colleague
19:40 slef              drojf1: please summarise wiki edits
19:43 slef              aha! THUMPER!
19:43 slef              that was the other one
19:43 slef              of course!
19:43 slef              ahem
19:43 slef              Nurse!
19:43 magnuse           too many new patches, not enough signoffs ;-) http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/gbsd/gbsd9/hourlystatus-gbsd9.txt (and yes, i'm guilty too!)
19:44 * jcamins         did a bunch!
19:44 magnuse           jcamins++
19:46 drojf1            slef: ah. will do that next time
19:51 slef              drojf1: thanks. It makes the emails from the wiki more informative.
19:52 drojf1            makes sense. i didn't even see a field for that. not much wiki experience
19:56 slef              it's just above the save and preview buttons?
19:58 Space_Librarian   morning #koha
19:59 slef              https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/dear-hollywood-open-letter-hardworking-men-and-women-entertainment-industries
20:00 slef              and for those of you in the US, your government is doing fast+secret trade treaty negotiations again! https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8229
20:00 wizzyrea          YAY.
20:03 wizzyrea          I mean, not yay.
20:03 wizzyrea          ugh.
20:03 wizzyrea          mornin Space_Librarian
20:06 wizzyrea          didn't romania and czechoslovakia go in and then out of those negotiations?
20:06 wizzyrea          I haven't read much about it today
20:08 Space_Librarian   morning wizzyrea
20:17 jcamins           Well I'll be.
20:17 jcamins           Wait, what?
20:17 wahanui           Wait, is it only in items?
20:18 jcamins           There is a video tutorial for installing Koha.
20:18 jcamins           On Windows.
20:18 Space_Librarian   ?!
20:18 sekjal            jcamins: how recent?
20:18 Space_Librarian   I thought that was for an old version
20:19 Space_Librarian   3.2 or something
20:19 Space_Librarian   or even earlier
20:19 jcamins           Space_Librarian: the last version that works on Windows was 2.2.something.
20:19 jcamins           sekjal: October.
20:19 jcamins           On Windows 7.
20:19 sekjal            jcamins: but what version of Koha?
20:19 * jcamins         is waiting to find out.
20:20 jcamins           Ah, there's an image of the Koha interface.
20:20 jcamins           Pre-3, certainly.
20:20 Space_Librarian   yes, it came up in conversation last week, methinks
20:21 jcamins           I guess these are the people indradg was talking about- they've suddenly decided to start promoting Koha on Windows heavily.
20:25 drojf1            why would one want to run koha on windows?
20:26 jcamins           Goodness only knows.
20:27 sekjal            if Windows is all you're familiar with, then it may seem easier to force Koha to run on it rather than learn *Nix
20:27 jcamins           True, but then you're all alone.
20:27 jcamins           Though I guess whoever these people are they don't put much stock in sharing.
20:28 cait              ?
20:28 cait              hi all :)
20:28 sekjal            less important than having the software installed and (hopefully) usable
20:28 drojf1            hi cait :)
20:28 jcamins           Hi cait.
20:28 wizzyrea          is this their way of "forcing" us to make a post 2 install available for windows?
20:28 wizzyrea          that's more pain than I want to endure, but whatever.
20:28 cait              hi drojf1, jcamins, sekjal and wizzyrea :)
20:28 sekjal            hi, cait
20:28 jcamins           sekjal: usable up until they hit a problem, at which point they have an unusable system that no one can help them with.
20:28 wizzyrea          hi cait!
20:28 jcamins           Hi cait.
20:29 sekjal            jcamins:  true enough
20:29 wizzyrea          or a feature that they want that isn't compatible with 2.2
20:29 sekjal            I don't see any good reason to make Koha run on Windows, myself.  Nor Mac OS X.  installing a Debian server really isn't that horrifically hard
20:29 drojf1            i dont see why you would want to run anything you want to be accessed from the internet on a windows machine
20:29 cait              ^^
20:30 cait              what are you discussing?
20:30 * cait            is still thawing from her little walk
20:30 cait              @wunder Konstanz
20:30 huginn`           cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -10.3�C (9:25 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035.1 hPa (Steady).
20:30 drojf1            but then, if you have not much knowledge of computers, but you have a running windows machine, that might sound like a good idea
20:31 drojf1            but its not :(
20:31 jcamins           Definitely not.
20:32 drojf1            if you cant do it there are people to help you. if its too complicated for yourself or you have better things to do you can pay somebody. i think if neither of that is good then koha is the wrong system.
20:33 cait              hm bug 7112
20:33 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7112 major, P3, ---, henridamien, Needs Signoff , Having two prices in 020$c causes basket creation to fail from staged marc import
20:33 cait              it's always talking about decimal points... guess it will not work for decimal commas :(
20:33 Space_Librarian   @wunder wellington, nz
20:33 huginn`           Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 09, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
20:34 drojf1            cait: should that not be a variable of some kind? decimal thingy, and you choose it in the prefs?
20:34 cait              drojf1: yeah, that too
20:34 cait              but here it's about an acq feature
20:34 cait              so if your data has euro prices...
20:34 cait              I doubt it works
20:34 drojf1            oh
20:34 cait              not totally sure
20:40 wizzyrea          it is nice to have kyle back doing stuff all the time :)
20:40 wizzyrea          on koha, that is.
20:41 Space_Librarian   lol. More minions?
20:41 bag               @wunder 93109
20:41 huginn`           bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 24.3�C (12:39 PM PST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
20:44 drojf1            the map of anti acta demonstrations looks quite impressive. i wonder how many of these will end up as facebook protests without people actually going (sorry, google maps link) http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212120558776447282985.0004b7b33e16f13c710c7&msa=0&ie=UTF8&t=m&ll=48.748945,11.425781&spn=34.891447,57.128906&z=4&source=embed
20:50 drojf             my internet is crazy :(
20:50 cait              ooh
20:50 cait              it's kicking you out?
20:51 drojf             yes
20:52 cait              ooh
20:52 * cait            hands drojf the duct tape
20:52 drojf             heh thanks
20:53 * Space_Librarian hands drojf a hammer (just in case)
20:53 drojf             thanks. if i cant repair it, i'll smash it :D
20:54 Space_Librarian   a la - http://ldsrr91.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/computer-duck.png
20:55 wizzyrea          rofl
20:55 slef              [off] drojf: I've been pushing it a bit but also quite careful not to say I'll go anywhere because I can't on the day of my nearest (which is still 100+ miles away) :(
20:55 slef              drojf: it's because you're against ACTA, so you are being censored!
20:56 drojf             i was actually thinking that for a second. "there he is, let's take his internet!" :/
20:56 jcamins           Huh?
20:58 jcamins           Never mind.
20:58 jcamins           I'm calling it a day.
20:58 wizzyrea          you should.
20:58 wizzyrea          too many kittens
20:58 Space_Librarian   lol ginger ones?
21:08 drojf             turns out i did not really learn much git today. shame
21:11 cait              drojf: we could walk you through some things
21:11 cait              there are also good notes on the wiki
21:12 cait              git?
21:12 wahanui           i guess git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
21:14 drojf             duct tape did not work. now for the hammer…
21:15 drojf             i give up. the internet does not like me tonight. good night #koha
21:16 cait              good night drojf
21:18 maximep           @wunder cyqb
21:18 huginn`           maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is -5.0�C (4:00 PM EST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
21:21 wizzyrea          ok, i am totally digging fredericd's indexer daemon
21:21 wizzyrea          hawt.
21:21 cait              hi paul_p
21:22 wizzyrea          hi ipaul
21:25 paul_p            hi #koha
21:25 * paul_p          about to go to bed
21:31 NCARMichael       hey gang!
21:31 wizzyrea          hiya
21:32 NCARMichael       question regarding "hidden" fields and subfields
21:32 NCARMichael       i went here http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/catadmin.html
21:32 NCARMichael       and could not make sense of the coding system
21:32 NCARMichael       what I want is for the 590 field(s) to appear.
21:32 NCARMichael       currently, they're not.
21:33 oleonard          Bye #koha
21:33 wizzyrea          bye oleonard
21:33 wizzyrea          you mean the hidden values?
21:33 wizzyrea          did you click on the in-app help?
21:33 cait              NCARMichael: where do you want them to appear?
21:34 cait              it will only work for the marc views, not for the normal view
21:34 NCARMichael       on tab 5 (for most frameworks) when i click on Edit Record
21:38 NCARMichael       correction: "add MARC record"
21:38 sekjal            okay, time for me to go.  night, #koha!
21:38 NCARMichael       090 field and 590 fields do not show
21:39 cait              what are the hidden fields set to?
21:41 NCARMichael       when i go into subfields for 090, I have all of them set (in the "hidden" field) to 0
21:41 cait              ok, that should work
21:41 cait              are you using memcache?
21:42 NCARMichael       um, dunno
21:42 NCARMichael       what is that
21:42 wahanui           that is failed qa
21:42 cait              caching tomake your server faster
21:42 cait              it will also makes changes to the frameworks not appear
21:42 NCARMichael       how do i find that out
21:42 cait              becuase there is a little bug
21:42 cait              hmm
21:42 cait              not sure, perhaps try /etc/inid.t/memcache restart ? :)
21:43 eythian           *init.d
21:43 cait              right
21:43 NCARMichael       i'm guessing Galen would have to do that for me...
21:43 cait              good morning eythian :)
21:43 cait              ah
21:43 eythian           hi
21:43 cait              he will also know if you are using memcache
21:44 NCARMichael       okay, i'll shoot him an email
21:46 NCARMichael       thanks, bye.
21:46 cait              NCARMichael: you can also check someting else - like changing a description
21:47 cait              if that shows up, it's not memcache and some problemwith the hidden fields
22:06 * Space_Librarian wants to throttle z39.50 servers
22:06 wizzyrea          O.O
22:06 wizzyrea          whyfor
22:07 Space_Librarian   they're just not working for me. I had 2 up this morning, and even they're down now.
22:07 Space_Librarian   And LC is simply refusing to connect
22:24 wizzyrea          i wonder if perhaps you have tons of stuff in your queue
22:25 eythian           Space_Librarian: fixed.
22:25 wizzyrea          :D noice.
22:29 * Space_Librarian blinks
22:29 cait              night all
22:30 Space_Librarian   gasp! happy dance :D
22:30 Space_Librarian   eythian ++
22:33 eythian           <koha@lists.koha-community.org>: host lists.koha-community.org[]
22:33 eythian           said: 550 5.1.1 <koha@lists.koha-community.org>: Recipient address
22:33 eythian           rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command)
22:34 eythian           not ideal...
22:34 eythian           oh wait
22:34 eythian           Someone else got it wrong and I reply-all'ed.
22:53 jcamins_away      Was there something else I wanted to sign off on tonight?