Time Nick Message 00:23 lculber We have a serious problem with our production server 3.4. We tried to reindex using zebra -b -x -r -v (lots of long records which is why we use xml) and we get nothing. 00:23 lculber never any problem before 00:24 lculber A search of the database shows all of the bibliorecords are there. 00:25 eythian what do you mean by "get nothing"? 00:25 lculber A search for keywords "test" gets no results. A search for Mississippi which should give thousands gives nothing. and so on 00:26 lculber No results in the searches 00:26 lculber Using -v made everything look fine. There were no signs of trouble. 00:28 lculber We get "no results found" 00:30 lculber We've run the rebuild_zebra twice and are about to run it again our of pure desperation 00:31 lculber our/out 00:36 jcamins_away stadf 00:37 jcamins_away staff client too? 00:37 lculber Yes, both the staff client and the opac 00:38 lculber All types of searches 00:38 eythian lculber: what happens when you run rebuild_zebra? does it do anything? 00:38 eythian does it stop with an error? 00:39 jcamins_away rrestart zebrasrv 00:39 lculber Zebra runs wilth with no errors. We were using -v and it runs looking normal 00:39 eythian and is zebrasrv running? 00:39 eythian (either way, restart it) 00:40 lculber We tried starting zebrasrv just before restarting this last rebuild 00:40 jcamins_away house open. time for show 00:40 eythian did you check that it is running? permission errors can prevent it from starting sometimes. 00:41 lculber zebrasrv was running, but we restarted it, right before restarting rebuilding the index for the third time 00:42 eythian run it manually in the foreground and it'll tell you what queries it's getting from Koha when you search. 00:42 lculber It is running slower and taking a lot longer this time. I had worried about it running so fast the last too times. 00:42 lculber too/two 00:43 lculber eythian: How do I run it in the foreround to see the queries? 00:44 lculber sorry, I'm getting tired, I meant foreground. How do I run zebrasrv in the foreground? 00:45 eythian have a look at the script you're using to launch it, and do the same thing it does, except don't redirect the output elsewhere. 00:45 eythian and add '-v all' 00:45 lculber Okay, Right. Makes sense 00:56 lculber We finished the reindexing after restarting zebrasrv and still have no results for searches in either the opac or staff 01:02 eythian what happened when you ran zebrasrv in the foreground so you could see what it was doing? 01:06 lculber We can't zebrasrv to run in the foreground. It says failed to listen 01:18 lculber Okay we got zebrasrv to run in the foreground. One of the things it says is result set not immediately available 01:19 lculber Another is search bilbios error 109 01:20 eythian does it say anything about why? Although you've pretty much reached the end of my zebra knowledge. 01:24 slef replace the ZEBRAOPTIONS="-v none,fatal,warn" with ZEBRAOPTIONS="-v all" in the koha-zebra-ctl.sh or /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon and restart it, then look at the log files, but remember to put them back afterwards 01:24 lculber We don't really see any errors. It just says returning no log bits for search sets 01:25 slef now I'm really asleep else I'll fall asleep in tomorrow's meeting 01:26 lculber slef: Should we do that and then reindex? 01:26 lculber Or just do that and then search? 01:26 eythian I think you've reindexed enough for now. If it was going to help, it would have done so. 01:26 lculber Okay 01:27 eythian I's suggest putting the whole output from zebrasrv into paste and seeing if anyone spots something. 01:30 eythian anyone know why amazon reviews won't be showing up in the OPAC? 01:35 pastebot "lculber" at 22.214.171.124 pasted "zebrasrv" (58 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/247 01:36 libsysguy @later tell jcamins hit me up when you get a chance I have a question about your linker patch 01:36 huginn` libsysguy: The operation succeeded. 01:37 lculber Looks like the error is Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @not @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 test @attr 1=9011 1 01:37 lculber whatever that means 01:40 eythian lculber: it seems to be a not unknown problem, but I can't find a real solution for it. 01:41 eythian maybe re-initialise your zebra index from scratch. 01:41 eythian (I'm not sure how to do that, it might be as simple as deleting it and doing a reindex, but I'm not sure) 01:51 lculber eythian: we are redoing the index again with the -r option yet again - this is for the fourth time. Hopefully, this time it will work. The zebrasrv isn't showing anything 01:53 eythian I don't think just doing a rebuild is likely to help if it didn't the previous three times. It's not a magical solution, unfortuntately. 01:54 lculber We could use some magic. 01:54 lculber I've been at work 13 hours and counting. 01:56 Brooke howdy 01:56 wahanui hi, Brooke 01:57 eythian I think what you should do is to reinitialise the whole zebra database from scratch. Rebuild doesn't do that. 01:57 eythian But you'll have to find someone who knows how, I don't. 01:57 Space_Librarian o/ Brooke 01:57 * Brooke hugs space_librarian 01:58 * Space_Librarian hugs Brooke :) 01:58 lculber Who knows how to reinitialise the whole zebra database from scratch without rebuilding the database? 02:01 eythian http://koha-community.org/faq/double-ups-search-results-clear-index-start-again/ <-- lculber, the bit after "if this doesn't work" is what I was thinking. 02:01 Brooke #startmeeting 02:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Feb 8 02:00:14 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 02:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 02:01 Brooke #topic Welcome 02:01 Brooke please introduce yourselves using #info 02:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 02:02 jwagner #info Jane Wagner LibLime/PTFS 02:02 Space_Librarian #info Shelley Gurney, NZICA, Wellington 02:02 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, Wellington 02:03 RA #info rafael antonio, Portugal 02:03 paul_p hello #koha 02:04 Brooke Anything to announce? 02:05 paul_p #info paul P, current Release Manager, BibLibre, France 02:05 Brooke 3.4 news anyone? 02:06 paul_p chris_n not here, I fear there won't be any 02:06 Brooke prolly the same thing but who knows 02:07 Brooke #info if you have stuff that you missed mentioning for 3.4 or 3.6 send it to the list or stick it in the newsletter or on the wiki 02:07 paul_p this one is for me probably... 02:08 Brooke yep 02:08 paul_p still trying to finish opening my eyes... 02:08 paul_p well, as usual, I made a gave all infos on my RM newsletter. 02:09 paul_p I sent a request for testing sandboxes on koha-devel a few days ago, and got no feedback 02:09 Brooke perhaps try duplicating that to the main list 02:09 Brooke I was going to suggest that for your Patch Discussion as well 02:10 paul_p I'd really liked to have feedback before deploying the sandboxes on the 10 servers. 02:10 Brooke #help test out the sandboxes 02:11 paul_p oleonard tested once, I know wizzyrea gave a try as well (but she didn't send me any feedback) 02:11 paul_p I'm really hoping it will help having more tester. I'm even thinking about organizing some training session for french libraries about that. 02:12 paul_p (ie : what's the workflow, how it works, how to use sandboxes) 02:12 thd If I would have time in a fully awake state, I would be happy to test and give some feedback. 02:12 paul_p to attract more ppl 02:12 paul_p thd don't hesitate ;-) 02:12 thd paul_p: If you can buy me some sleep I will have more. 02:13 * oleonard apologizes for his lateness 02:13 paul_p hi oleonard 02:13 thd I like Brooke's idea of asking on the main list where more people are giving attention. 02:13 RA I will be interested to participate on testing 02:13 Brooke RA++ 02:14 Brooke anything else for 3.8? 02:14 paul_p Brooke RA ??? 02:15 paul_p ah, OK sorry 02:15 Brooke he said he'd test. This is good :) 02:15 paul_p hi RA, I don't remember speaking with you here before 02:15 RA Paul can i send you my email? We live in europe so we are very near... 02:15 paul_p well about 3.8 nothing more I think 02:15 paul_p RA of course you can 02:16 RA Rafael.antonio at sapo.pt 02:16 Brooke K 02:16 paul_p RA = Rafael, PT, (seenn in the minutes) 02:16 Brooke Slef is asleep 02:16 Brooke but 02:16 Brooke #info Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June 02:16 Brooke Deposit has been placed for the venue. 02:16 Brooke hooray :D 02:17 Brooke uhh looks like he wants us to spread the word 02:17 Brooke so I'd say 02:17 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Announcements 02:17 Brooke look there and either edit or just plain gossip :) 02:17 paul_p (what does it mean -the frenchy don't understand- ?) 02:17 Brooke preferably if you send it out mark it with (I already bugged these people ; date ) 02:17 paul_p (Deposit has been placed for the venue) 02:18 Brooke it means we have a place to go :) 02:18 Brooke d'argent has been le paid :) 02:18 Brooke or at least some 02:18 Space_Librarian :) 02:18 paul_p OK, got it 02:18 * oleonard groans 02:18 Brooke msg slef your email address to join the volunteers mailing list and he'll get back to you before the end of the week. 02:18 paul_p (and in fact I understood, but thought I hadn't) 02:18 thd paul_p: non-refundable payment as security against changing one's mind. 02:19 Brooke so I'ma say questions to slef. 02:19 paul_p this one is for me too ;-) 02:20 paul_p We've recently added a "in discussion" bug status 02:20 paul_p so me must organize how to deal with "in discussion" to avoid having bugs staying in discussion but no discussion... 02:20 paul_p I made a proposal on the wiki agenda 02:21 paul_p have a wiki page "in discussion" pointing to all pending discussion. announce all discussion to koha-devel 02:21 paul_p each discussion will have a timeline for everyone to argue (2 weeks ? maybe depending on the complexity of the discussion, but should never be more than 1 month) 02:21 paul_p at the end of the timeline, if no clear agreement reached on the wiki discussion, open a vote, that would be made on the wiki page, announced on koha-devel mailing list, open for one week 02:21 paul_p depending on the result of the vote, change the status of the bug to "exit" in discussion 02:21 paul_p there are something like 10 discussions to start already 02:21 Brooke okay 02:22 Brooke so 02:22 Brooke first thing 02:22 paul_p I'm OK to write the wiki page explaining the problems 02:22 RA Sorry but i am quiting. Bye 02:22 paul_p bye RA. sweet dreams 02:22 Brooke I'd like a wiki page to be called summat better than "In discussion" cause that's not terribly descriptive 02:22 * oleonard thinks the term "summat" is confusing to English and non-English speakers alike 02:23 Brooke this is true 02:23 Brooke I'm thinking "Bug and Enhancement Discussion" Is that amenable? 02:23 paul_p Brooke of course. Your english is rumored to be better than mine 02:24 Brooke then we can have subcategories for bugs and enhancements 02:24 Brooke perhaps further subdivided by severity 02:24 Brooke so that folks get to talking about stuff that's more important first 02:24 Brooke it's just a rumour, paul 02:24 Brooke I think you're prolly easier to understand than me at most times 02:25 paul_p I was thinking that this page would be an entry, listing all discussions. This listing would, you're right have a column "severity" 02:25 paul_p Brooke not false ;-) 02:25 Brooke k 02:25 thd paul_p: Is discussion not useful for all bugs? What is the special distinction which you are proposing? 02:25 oleonard Not all bugs raise issues which don't have a clear consensus 02:26 Brooke I agree owen 02:26 paul_p thd : look at 7387, 7248 and 6193 02:26 jransom Apologies for lateness (Jo Ransom - HLT) 02:26 Brooke you wouldn't want to go discussing history.txt changes, yes? 02:26 paul_p they try to add caching, with different methods, and introduce some change over existing caching 02:27 paul_p what do we want to do ? we need to be consistent, so this must be discussed 02:27 paul_p then a decision, then we all know where we're going 02:28 Brooke I don't think we've fleshed this out quite enough for a vote just yet 02:28 Brooke I think the wiki component is done, but I could be wrong 02:28 oleonard I worry that a wiki page will not get noticed. Is a thread on the devel list not more amenable to discussions? 02:28 paul_p bug 7075 is a little bit different = seems it can't be reproduced anymore. Maybe it's not worth discussing a lot for this one. but it will at least highlight the problem 02:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7075 trivial, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, In Discussion , Fine in days values are returned for patrons with past overdues when fine in days is set to 0 02:28 paul_p oleonard in y proposition, there will be both 02:28 Brooke there's going to be a thread on devel according to the proposal 02:28 paul_p do a page / send a mail to koha-devel 02:28 Brooke but I'd add the main list 02:29 Brooke I want to avoid programming in a vacuum at all costs. 02:29 paul_p Brooke agreed for some discussions, but I feel that sometimes it would just confuse 02:29 paul_p for example, the "how to manage caching" discussion is a technical one 02:29 Brooke I think the folks that are confused would either not take part or perhaps might learn summat 02:30 oleonard I think already folks on the Koha list thing it's too technically-oriented 02:30 oleonard ...hence calls for a separate user list 02:31 paul_p I won't argue a lot against the idea to send mail to koha main list if you think it's a good idea. 02:31 Brooke I think it's worth it for a lot of the things that would change functionality 02:32 paul_p maybe there should be a specific title header, like [DISCUSSION TECH] or [DISCUSSION FEATURE] 02:32 paul_p Brooke definetly ! 02:32 Brooke that would probably help folks sort their mail and hit their delete keys sooner :) 02:32 Brooke okay so timelines 02:32 Brooke we have meetings monthly 02:33 Brooke but you want this to be a 2 week span 02:33 Brooke also, GBSD is theoretically monthly too, yes? 02:33 thd paul_p: Librarians should probably be alerted where library science issues are at stake but those questions are generally different from what I think you are intending. 02:33 SpaceLibrarian agree with thd 02:33 paul_p thd probably 02:34 paul_p Brooke would you suggest something like : "open the discussion until next IRC -but no less than 1 week- and validate the decision here" ? 02:34 thd paul_p: Nothing should ever preclude subsequent discussion after some time period if there is a serious issue to be discussed. 02:35 paul_p (validate or vote) 02:35 Brooke #idea discussion mails will be flagged [Discussion Tech] [Discussion Feature] so folks that don't wish to follow a thread can easily delete 02:35 Brooke I think we need to separate that a bit 02:35 paul_p #idea discussion mails will be sent to both koha-devel and koha main mailing list 02:36 Brooke is there anyone here that thinks discussion should last LESS than a week? 02:36 thd Brooke: Your flagging idea is even better for alerting people to pay attention as opposed to ignoring. 02:36 Brooke not my idea, pauls :D 02:36 thd :0 02:36 Brooke going once 02:36 paul_p my main concern is to have everybody able to say what they think, not everybody is at the IRC meeting 02:36 Brooke going twice 02:37 Brooke I agree paul 02:37 Brooke going gone 02:37 paul_p Brooke sometimes the discussion will quickly reach an agreement 02:37 Brooke one hopes 02:37 SpaceLibrarian indeed 02:37 paul_p but less than a week seems really short 02:37 Brooke right 02:37 Brooke which everyone agreed with 02:37 thd the 2 UTC hour seems about the worst for IRC participation. 02:38 paul_p seems... 02:38 SpaceLibrarian possibly because a good chunk from our side are actually in the middle of a library conference this time. 02:38 Brooke seems that Kiwis make their plum time 02:38 eythian Yeah, everyone's at Vala 02:38 Brooke anyhow 02:39 paul_p Brooke also seems that rangi & bob/irma are at a conf 02:39 oleonard No excuses for the Americans :P 02:39 Brooke moving to vote 02:39 Brooke question will be 02:39 Brooke Discussion will be opened over the listserv and closed at the IRC meeting but never less than a week's time for input 02:40 Brooke all in favour +1 02:40 Brooke if that doesn't make sense, say so and I'll try a rephrase 02:40 oleonard +1 02:40 paul_p +1 02:40 SpaceLibrarian +1 02:40 thd Brooke: Discussion of what? 02:41 thd Brooke: I am confused about the question being put to a vote. 02:41 Brooke Bugs and Patchs as per paul's prior discussion 02:41 Brooke patches even 02:42 thd +1 02:42 Brooke okay 02:42 Brooke hopefully this will work 02:42 Brooke it carries 02:42 Brooke hey, guess what 02:42 Brooke it's global bug squashing day 02:43 Brooke :) 02:43 paul_p the pile of bugs pending QA has grown to 14 today. It was something like 8 yesterday. 02:43 Brooke I think we've got a lot done thanks to that 02:43 paul_p the pile of "need signoff" has moved from 94 to 66 02:44 Brooke hooray 02:44 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-02-08_Global_bug_squashing_day 02:44 Brooke #info thanks bug squashers :D 02:44 paul_p #info more bug testers needed 02:45 paul_p really. 02:45 paul_p cait noticed a few days ago that some bugs stay "need signoff" probably because they are hard to test. 02:45 Brooke Did we need to review anything from last meeting? 02:46 paul_p she said something like "easy or small bugs are usually fast to be signed off, but hardest ones are not" 02:46 paul_p (still on previous topic) 02:46 Brooke it's a sticky problem 02:46 paul_p agreed 02:46 Brooke just like attracting people that are not professional developers associated with the project is 02:47 Brooke if we could work on either 02:47 Brooke it'd be a damn fine day 02:47 Brooke any other stuff? 02:47 thd paul_p: What we do not want and apparently do not have for these is people signing off without really taking the time to test properly. 02:48 paul_p thd ??? 02:48 wahanui thd is concerned that CCL, Pazpar2, and Zebra support should not be an either that or Solr/Lucene option. We need CCL and Pazpar2 for metasearch and we currently need Zebra for a Z39.50/SRU server. or concerned that indentation styles which do not collapse in vim lead to overly long lines which cannot always be broken across multiple lines. 02:48 thd old news wahanui 02:48 paul_p (well, I think I understand and agree) 02:49 thd paul_p: Send reminders about testing patches to the mailing list with catchy subject lines. 02:50 Brooke which was settled earlier under the discussion tag thing :) 02:50 thd :) 02:50 paul_p that could be a good plan with sandboxes = it will be easier to do. will do that frequently, thx thd 02:50 Brooke I'm suggesting 14 March 18.00 UTC 02:51 Brooke good? +1 02:51 paul_p -1 02:51 thd [Test this bug for the great warm bug tester glow] 02:51 Brooke problem with the day paul? 02:51 paul_p could it be the next week ? because it's the hackfest in europe 02:51 Brooke ah crap 02:51 Brooke of course 02:52 paul_p 21th could be fun = we could stay and have dinner while IRCing 02:52 Brooke 21 March 18.00 UTC 02:52 paul_p (will be 7PM for us) 02:52 thd +1 02:52 paul_p +1 02:52 jwagner Why the move away from the first week in March? 02:52 Brooke cause I'm going to the opera 02:53 paul_p lol (be it true or not ;-) ) 02:53 Brooke if someone else wants to chair, fine by me 02:53 jwagner For the entire week? 02:53 thd jwagner: A fine reason. 02:53 thd jwagner: I think that the issue is also that Wednesday is favoured. 02:53 Brooke do you have an issue with 21 March jane? 02:54 paul_p wed++ for me 02:54 jwagner Just wondering -- the meeting is normally first week, and this will be a six-week gap 02:54 thd s/Wednesday/Wednesday UTC/ # actual day varies with time zone 02:54 Brooke might be a good thing 02:55 Brooke any other feedback? 02:55 oleonard 21st is fine with me 02:55 thd jwagner: People might have to actually use the mailing list and non-meeting IRC a bit more to communicate during the interval :) 02:55 Brooke #agreed Next meeting 21 March 18.00 UTC 02:55 Brooke #endmeeting 02:55 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Feb 8 02:54:44 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 02:55 huginn` Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-02-08-02.00.html 02:55 huginn` Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-02-08-02.00.txt 02:55 huginn` Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-02-08-02.00.log.html 02:56 oleonard That meeting was...shall we say...intimate in scale. 02:56 paul_p yeah ! thx for this short meeting. Going to bed again ! 02:56 oleonard Thanks for being here paul_p 02:56 Brooke the kiwi ones generally are 02:56 Brooke but I <3 them any way :) 02:56 Brooke also less than an hour is a happy thing 02:56 paul_p oleonard yep, was intimate and efficient. 02:57 paul_p is the later because of the former ? 02:57 Brooke mebbe 02:57 Brooke but there wasn't anything on the agenda that was cagematchy 02:57 Brooke which helps 02:57 paul_p I think it's also because we hadn't too many decisions to discuss 02:57 Brooke Aedunno, I think your patch thing was substantive 02:57 paul_p I think we should not *start* discussions during the IRC. We should *close* them 02:57 thd oleonard: This hour generally guarantees shorter meetings but unfortunately also less participation. 02:58 Brooke I'm fine with them starting and closing 02:58 Brooke I'm not fine with never voting 02:58 Brooke which I think I'm dragging people into kicking and screaming 02:58 Brooke I'd rather know that no one likes summat than not know where anyone is 02:58 lculber Is there anyone still up who knows how to reinitialise the whole zebra database from scratch without rebuilding the database? 02:58 paul_p at BibLibre, clrh help us using timeboxing 02:59 lculber We've reindexed 5 times now 02:59 paul_p that was new to me, and I see it's really efficient. 02:59 Brooke paul is that a trick you kow? 02:59 paul_p Brooke ? 02:59 wahanui I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag. 02:59 Brooke heh 02:59 Brooke can you help linda? 03:00 paul_p not now, i want my bed again ... 03:00 paul_p bye #koha (4AM for me) 03:00 oleonard Yes, let paul_p go to bed! 03:00 lculber Yeah, me too. I've been at work 15 hours now. 03:00 Brooke mebbe mail paul and he'll get back to ye 03:00 eythian lculber: what happened when you tried the info in that link I sent you? 03:00 thd paul_p: I think what Brooke had meant to ask is whether there is a timeboxing trick we could use more generally. 03:00 Brooke no that's not what I meant thd 03:00 thd never mind 03:01 Brooke the meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe 03:01 Brooke the only equitable thing to do is rotate the time 03:01 oleonard lculber, you'll certainly be able to get advice tomorrow 03:01 * oleonard is zebra-ignorant 03:01 lculber We've still been working on it. What we've come up with is copying over from last night, and losing today. That's the best we can do 03:01 Brooke I still don't mind the kiwi plum time because it's very seldom that we don't get lots of kiwis at their time 03:01 thd Brooke: what had you meant? 03:01 Brooke I had meant that Paul should help Linda XD 03:02 thd I took those as separate 03:02 eythian lculber: what did you do that caused it to start happening? 03:03 oleonard See you in 10 hours #koha 03:04 lculber We had made a change to the index in the test database that worked, Then did in another instance, and it worked, and then did the exact same thing in this one, and boom!! 03:05 thd perhaps eythian will help. Zebra indexing seems a little too much like a black box for which an expedient method of killing phantom records from a previous indexing run is a mystery too me. 03:05 thd s/too/to/ 03:05 eythian lculber: what change did you make? 03:06 lculber It was to make the call number index. Kyle had shown us how to do it and it worked on the test server and in two instances on the production server. 03:06 thd s/to/too/ ; s/too me/to me/ ; 03:06 eythian you didn't happen to make an error when making the change on the third? 03:07 lculber I ran a diff and it showed nothing. And, since I'm paranoid, I had made a backup and changed it back. It didn't help. Still broken. 03:07 libsysguy seen bag 03:07 wahanui bag was last seen on #koha 9 hours, 37 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: bug 7458 [Tue Feb 7 17:28:48 2012] 03:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7458 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , New call number allocation plugin 03:07 bag hey 03:07 libsysguy sup 03:07 bag wassup 03:08 libsysguy nm just working on some koha patches for my class project 03:08 libsysguy wondering if you still wanted my code for hourly 03:08 eythian lculber: did you try the thing in the link I sent? 03:09 lculber Yes. I've tried that, and pasted the error to the irc but it was right before the meeting. 03:10 eythian the only thing before the meeting was me sending you that link :) 03:11 Brooke thanks for coming back again after the meeting :) 03:11 lculber Right. And we ran that which you sent during the meeting - twice. 03:11 lculber I actually lurked during the meeting. 03:12 eythian can you send the output from the last rebuild_zebra? 03:12 eythian (using paste) 03:13 pastebot "lculber" at 126.96.36.199 pasted "output from index" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/248 03:14 eythian uhm that's fishy 03:14 eythian it shouldn't take <1 second to process 100,000 records. 03:14 lculber What we discovered was that it wasn't writing to the the zebradb at all and the permissions are fine. So we copied over from another instance that has the same data 03:15 lculber Well - not the same data - we are missing today 03:15 eythian does /etc/catalog/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg exist? 03:15 eythian that's an unusal path 03:16 lculber let me check 03:16 eythian and, if so, does it match what's on the machines that worked? 03:16 lculber what we found was that running rebuild -b -r empties it out but doen't rebuild it. 03:17 eythian hmm 03:17 lculber The match is a day off. The machine that is broken is the machine that the catalogers add to. 03:17 eythian well, it's more a case of "does the file exist"? 03:18 * thd must eat 03:18 lculber yes I see /etc/catalog/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg 03:19 lculber and it is owned by koha 03:20 eythian OK 03:21 eythian something has changed recently that seems to cause a reindex to not put out as much information as it should, previously it gave a summary of what it had done. 03:21 eythian THis change makes things harder to fix. 03:22 lculber The only thing different in the cfg files is the name of the instance name 03:23 Amit_Gupta heya bag 03:23 bag hey Amit_Gupta 03:25 eythian lculber: I'm kinda stumped really. It's tedious and tricky, but you could try doing the reindexing part by hand to see what's happening. Turning all the debug options you can find on. 03:25 Amit_Gupta heya Robin 03:25 eythian hi there Amit_Gupta 03:27 lculber We're giving up for tonight and going to try again tomorrow. We think something happened today that we need to figure out and need some sleep. Thanks all. 03:42 BobB @seen mtj 03:42 huginn` BobB: mtj was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 12 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: * mtj waves to all 03:44 eythian wahanui: amazon reviews 03:44 wahanui eythian: excuse me? 03:44 eythian wahanui: amazon reviews is <reply>they won't work until bug 5568 is fixed 03:44 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5568 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Upgrade Amazon module to support Product Advertising API 03:50 Amit_Gupta @seen Amit_gupta 03:50 huginn` Amit_Gupta: Amit_gupta was last seen in #koha 24 minutes and 39 seconds ago: <Amit_Gupta> heya Robin 03:50 Amit_Gupta @seen mtj 03:50 huginn` Amit_Gupta: mtj was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 19 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: * mtj waves to all 04:15 libsysguy anybody have a good idea of how receiving a new shipment works? 04:16 libsysguy I am trying to add some fields and it just occurred to me that I have no idea how it actually functions 05:33 libsysguy hi cait 05:33 libsysguy i just saw your comment 05:34 cait :) 05:34 libsysguy I was reading through that bug report 05:34 cait I wanted to test it 05:34 cait but had no time yet 05:34 libsysguy is that ready to go or is it still waiting on table modifications 05:34 cait it sure looks very interesting 05:34 libsysguy I am not very familiar with that section of Koha 05:34 cait the table name is only a small bit, it waits still for testing mostly 05:35 cait but I think having a separate table is a good idea 05:35 libsysguy ok 05:35 libsysguy I was actaully almost done with the bug that I submitted 05:35 cait paul_p asked me to test the functionality but I had no time, so he suggested to move to in discussion for the table name 05:35 cait yeah I thought so 05:35 cait that's why you should file the bug first ;) 05:35 libsysguy lol yeah you know I work quick :p 05:36 libsysguy oh I did 05:36 cait and search bugzilla 05:36 libsysguy i filed then started working 05:36 cait alll I did was a search for invoices 05:36 libsysguy yeah…I didn't think to look for parcel 05:37 libsysguy i did a search for shipment date and invoice date 05:37 libsysguy I should probably just get better at searching for bugs 05:37 libsysguy :-\ 05:37 cait broader terms are better in my experiecne :( 05:37 libsysguy its ok…what i've done didn't take much time 05:37 cait bugzilla is not really like koha 05:37 cait in terms of search *sigh* 05:37 cait I knew it was there 05:38 libsysguy i can just revert my work 05:39 libsysguy ill keep an eye on that bug so I can see when it gets pushed 05:39 libsysguy I just have to have this patch done for a project in one of my classes 05:39 cait oh 05:39 cait not sure it has both dates you wanted 05:39 cait you could test and perhaps built on it 05:39 libsysguy yeah that is what I was thinking about 05:40 libsysguy and just adding bug 5339 as a block 05:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Parcel closing in acq 05:42 libsysguy ok guys im out for the night…gnight #Koha 05:57 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:57 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -10.2�C (6:54 AM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Rising). 06:03 Amit_Gupta @wunder Bangalore 06:03 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 19.0�C (8:30 AM IST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. 06:03 Amit_Gupta heya cait :) 06:04 Amit_Gupta @wunder Dehradun 06:04 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 10.0�C (8:30 AM IST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa. 06:04 Amit_Gupta @wunder New Delhi 06:04 huginn` Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 14.0�C (10:30 AM IST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 07:38 alex_a hello 07:38 wahanui privet, alex_a 07:38 alex_a privet, wahanui 07:38 wahanui alex_a: huh? 07:38 reiveune hello 07:38 wahanui hello, reiveune 07:44 cait hi alex_a and reiveune :) 07:44 cait brb 07:46 sophie_m hello #koha 07:51 sheikh303 need a good tutorial on System Preferences configuration of koha!! 07:52 julian_m hello 07:52 wahanui salut, julian_m 07:58 Suzzane Hi everyone 07:59 Suzzane am trying to configure the systems preferences and am stuck at OPAC 07:59 Suzzane it looks so technical 07:59 Suzzane kindly advice 08:02 Suzzane anybody home..... 08:05 Amit_Gupta heya Suzzane, asaurat 08:05 asaurat hi!! 08:09 francharb morning #koha 08:09 Suzzane Hi Amit... 08:10 Suzzane kindly advice on my above stated issue 08:11 sheikh303 need the same assistance here too!! 08:11 Suzzane somebody, anybody....help 08:14 gaetan_B hello #koha! 08:39 Suzzane hi Paul 08:42 Amit_Gupta heya gaten_B 09:15 kf good morning #koha 09:22 drojf1 good day #koha 09:23 drojf1 moin kf :) 09:23 drojf1 seems we missed a rather small and short meeting 09:36 kf no surprise 09:36 kf haven't read the logs yet 10:12 mib_63rhkq Anyone around that might know how to set debug on LDAP authentication? I have tried setting the C4::Debug::debug=1 but isn't working! 10:27 alex_a mib_63rhkq: you can add a setenv directive in apache virtualhost i think ? 10:29 alex_a otherwise you change $debug and warn 'xxxx' by warn 'xxxx' :) 10:30 mib_63rhkq alex_a: Thanks, I have tried both! Not even sure where it should be logging. I tried running opac-user.pl from command line after setting DEBUG but still nothing related to LDAP appears! 10:32 alex_a mib_63rhkq: take a look at ErrorLog direction from apache virtualhost. Usualy logs message go in site_dir/var/log/koha-error_log or koha-opac-error_log 10:32 alex_a s/direction/directive/ 10:34 alex_a else could be written in /var/log/apache2/error.log 10:36 alex_a and opac-user.pl from command line is too verbose because writing all html ouput :) 10:38 mib_63rhkq yeah - nothing in either logs and the screen! 10:47 alex_a mib_63rhkq: nothing in /var/log/apache2 ? 11:16 mib_63rhkq Nope, nothing at all - strange 11:26 kf hi paul_p 11:26 kf gbsd is still on!! :) 11:39 * jcamins_away looks in from the bus. 11:41 jcamins @later tell libsysguy Do you have something against normal business hours? :P I should be around today 10/10:30-4 EST and then 6/7-late EST. 11:41 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 11:57 jcamins And the bus broke down. 12:01 kf oh 12:01 kf hi jcamins_away 12:07 drojf1 he's probably push-starting the bus right now ;) 12:07 * kf giggles at the image 12:08 jcamins_away lol 12:10 jcamins_away I am now on a different bus. 12:10 drojf1 should have pushed harder :P 12:11 drojf1 kf: do you know anything about getting authorities from dnb? 12:11 kf hmm no 12:11 kf but I can ask my coworker 12:11 kf what do you want to do? 12:12 drojf1 [off] i think we have an account now, but unfortunately my colleague has better things to do than talking to me 12:12 kf [off] if you have an account, you can perhaps download them - but Koha can't download authorities via 239.50 12:12 kf only bibliographic records 12:13 kf our libraries are partcipating in the union catalog, so we get the authorities from there 12:13 drojf1 guess i will call my boss to get some details acout the account and then have a look 12:13 drojf1 *about 12:13 drojf1 and work from home 12:13 kf jcamins_away: sorry, it took me too long this morning to finish my notes on the distance study course - but will continue testng your linker tonight 12:13 jcamins_away kf: I look forward to hearing what you find. 12:13 drojf1 less distractions. well s/less distractions/nicer distractions :D 12:14 kf jcamins_away: I am curious too :) 12:14 kf nicer distractions like #koha? ;) 12:14 jcamins_away Hm. 12:14 jcamins_away Testing bug 7432 is really hard on a bus. 12:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 critical, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Changing frameworks should refresh cache 12:14 kf ah 12:14 kf I can imagine 12:14 kf and you have to wait 12:14 drojf1 i could have #koha there too, i would take my notebook. but yes, less rl distractions ;) 12:15 jcamins_away kf: exactly. I might have to leave it for someone else to test. 12:15 jcamins_away Or do it tonight. 12:15 kf it's on my list too - but happy if you beat me to it 12:15 kf finding time is a bit hard at the moment :( 12:17 jcamins_away :( 12:24 jcamins_away Only a few minutes late to get to the city. 12:24 jcamins_away I'll be back from uptown in a few hours. 12:24 jcamins_away Bye. 13:23 oleonard Hi #koha 13:24 magnuse g'day #koha 13:27 tcohen hi #koha 13:28 tcohen i missed the irc meeting, hope you reached a procedure for desition making on discussed topic 13:29 oleonard We did. 13:29 tcohen hi oleonard 13:30 magnuse the meetbot minutes say: "discussion mails will be flagged [Discussion Tech] [Discussion Feature] so folks that don't wish to follow a thread can easily delete" 13:30 magnuse and "discussion mails will be sent to both koha-devel and koha main mailing list" 13:30 magnuse http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2012/koha.2012-02-08-02.00.html 13:34 tcohen thanks magnuse 13:34 magnuse np tcohen 13:39 drojf1 @wunder berlin, germany 13:39 huginn` drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -3.7�C (2:12 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.75 in 1041.2 hPa (Falling). 13:40 drojf1 warmish :) 13:42 magnuse @wunder boo 13:42 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0�C (2:20 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.69 in 1039 hPa (Steady). 13:42 magnuse heh, that's better 13:42 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 13:42 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 19.0�C (10:21 AM ART on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 13:42 magnuse even better! 13:43 magnuse @wunder marseille 13:43 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 0.0�C (2:30 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 13:43 magnuse warmer in bod� than in marseille! 13:44 magnuse and the sun is shining again - life is good! 13:45 oleonard @wunder 45701 13:45 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 2.0�C (8:40 AM EST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady). 13:45 drojf1 we have sun too. i wonder if i should go out a little 13:47 magnuse sounds like a good idea! 13:47 drojf1 getting awake a little would definitely help with learning git 13:50 magnuse probably won't hurt ;-) 13:54 mib_63rhkq Anyone know if the Auth_with_ldap module minds if the LDAP server is Novell? 13:55 oleonard Maybe we should have a list on the wiki of "who uses X obscure feature of Koha" for question referrals. 13:55 * oleonard doesn't know anything about Koha's LDAP 13:55 magnuse yeah, that would be very cool! 13:55 * oleonard ...beyond unfulfilled promises of a certain former vendor CEO who shall not be named 13:56 mib_63rhkq I've had no problem with AD, but Novell isn't playing nice 13:57 drojf1 that's novell ;) 13:58 * magnuse thinks all the twitter feeds from gbsd should be restored now 13:59 oleonard magnuse++ 13:59 magnuse yay ;-) 13:59 magnuse and here are the hourly stats for gbsd#9 so far: http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/gbsd/gbsd9/hourlystatus-gbsd9.txt 14:06 kf magnuse++ 14:06 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:06 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -6.6�C (3:04 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 30.52 in 1033.4 hPa (Falling). 14:07 magnuse almost 10 degrees warmer here :-) 14:07 kf :P 14:31 tcohen git-email broken on precise 14:33 magnuse "broken on precise"? 14:35 gmcharlt precise pangolin 14:36 * oleonard can't get his pangolin to even color inside the lines 14:36 kf pangolin? 14:36 drojf1 lol 14:36 kf oh 14:36 kf ubuntu 14:36 magnuse https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin 14:36 tcohen precise pangolin, the next ubuntu 15:08 * oleonard is preparing a follow-up for Bug 6919 for MARC21 15:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6919 major, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Implementing XSLTResultsDisplay 15:15 * wizzyrea waves 15:15 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 15:15 oleonard I wonder if people like having numbers on the staff client search results 15:16 wizzyrea I get a lot of "why is x result number 10 on the list" 15:16 wizzyrea without the numbers, they'd have to count 15:16 oleonard If we took out the numbers you could say "It's not, it's number 9" and they turn back to count and you'd run away. 15:16 wizzyrea not sure if that's necessarily a reason to keep them 15:17 wizzyrea hehe that's what I was thinking too... might cut down on support calls >.> 15:17 wizzyrea but that's almost certainly not a reason to remove them. Heh. 15:17 oleonard It's not a question of removing them but adding them to the XSLT results display 15:17 wizzyrea ohhh 15:17 wizzyrea then yes, I'd probably add them 15:18 * wizzyrea tries to figure out why this db update won't fire. 15:19 * oleonard grumbles that now he has to go figure out how to do that :) 15:35 jcamins_away libsysguy: I am here. 15:36 libsysguy heyyy 15:36 libsysguy yes I do have something against normal business hours...my job never lets me work on KOha during them 15:36 libsysguy so I was testing out the linker script 15:36 jcamins lol 15:37 jcamins Tell them to fix that. 15:37 libsysguy and I kept getting this weird unable to connect to database error 15:37 jcamins Uh-oh. 15:37 jcamins Unable to connect to database? 15:37 jcamins Are you sure you have KOHA_CONF set properly? 15:37 libsysguy let me verify taht is what it said 15:38 libsysguy i know it was something to that effect 15:40 libsysguy oAuth error: Database unavailable (109) authorities Bib-1 15:40 jcamins Ah. 15:40 libsysguy it just overflows the screen with that 15:40 jcamins And are you able to search for authorities in the web client? 15:41 libsysguy well I suppose I can search...nothing that I have searched for has turned up any results 15:42 jcamins Did you follow the instructions that said "be sure to install such-and-such files in etc/zebradb"? 15:43 libsysguy instructions! 15:43 wahanui instructions are coming right now to the wiki near you 15:43 libsysguy NEVER!! 15:43 libsysguy so no...really i missed that 15:43 libsysguy was it in the ticket? 15:43 jcamins wahanui: lol! 15:43 wahanui jcamins: i'm not following you... 15:43 jcamins Yup. 15:43 jcamins Also mentioned in the commit message, I think. 15:43 libsysguy and now I feel retarded 15:43 tcohen here we go 15:44 jcamins Which, granted, is the length of a Tolstoy novel. 15:44 kf I almost missed them too :) 15:44 libsysguy haha, yeah maybe you should have considered a tl;dr section 15:44 jcamins It's a big feature. What can I say? 15:45 libsysguy i did run the atomic update :p 15:45 jcamins Good, so now you just have to install the Zebra configs and reindex 15:46 libsysguy oh god...WHYYY 15:46 libsysguy i should just delete all my bibs except for like 10 15:46 jcamins Just the authorities. 15:46 libsysguy all harry potter 15:46 jcamins No, the bibs are fine. 15:46 jcamins Leave the bibs! 15:46 jcamins Don't reindex the bibs. 15:46 libsysguy ok not reindexing the bibs 15:46 * jcamins hopes he said that before you started the reindex. 15:46 jcamins Right. Just the authorities. 15:47 libsysguy oh I never just hit the nuke button on a reindex 15:47 libsysguy that kills a good 6 hours 15:48 tcohen email@example.com 15:48 tcohen is it ok? 15:48 jcamins Please tell me that you aren't doing this on production, libsysguy. 15:49 jcamins tcohen: yeah, just looking at your e-mail now. 15:49 libsysguy oh heck no 15:49 jcamins tcohen: FWIW, I think the memoization modification that you proposed sounds brilliant, but I'm not an expert in memoization. 15:49 libsysguy I just moved the database over from prod 15:49 tcohen Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14). 15:50 jcamins tcohen: that's weird. On your message about caching? 15:50 tcohen koha-devel@lists.. didnt reject 15:51 kf tcohen: you are subscribed with this email? 15:52 paul_p tcohen you sent the mail to firstname.lastname@example.org 15:52 paul_p this ML does not exist !!! 15:52 tcohen exactly :-D 15:52 paul_p it's email@example.com 15:52 kf ah right 15:52 tcohen I should have let gmail choose the right address instead of typing it 15:52 tcohen :-P 16:06 mib_63rhkq Hi, I have a 3.06.02 site that uses LDAP for account creation. The account is auto creating fine but the user gets a HTTP 500 screen on first login? 16:06 mib_63rhkq The second login works fine. The error logs shows "Bad header :--------------------------------" opac-user.pl 16:06 mib_63rhkq and ideas? 16:06 * jcamins has never used LDAP with Koha, sorry. 16:07 jcamins Has anyone ever tried parallelizing rebuild_zebra? 16:07 libsysguy shudders at the thought 16:07 drojf no idea of ldap, but if you can't fox it make a nice custom http 500 screen. sorry for not being more helpful 16:07 libsysguy mib_63rhkq: so you're using update and replicate? 16:07 drojf *fix 16:07 mib_63rhkq jcamins: 2 indexing running together? 16:07 maximep mib_63rhkq: is there an error in your koha opac error log? 16:07 libsysguy ^^ 16:08 jcamins mib_63rhkq: I meant having Zebra indexing on two (or more) cores. 16:08 mib_63rhkq yes, the error is " Malformed header, Bad header :--------------------------------" opac-user.pl 16:09 mib_63rhkq malformed header from script. Bad header=------------------------------: opac-user.pl, referer: 16:09 maximep oh wow, misread that you already told us 16:09 mib_63rhkq ^^ is the exact error 16:10 mib_63rhkq libsysguy: I am just using replicate 16:13 libsysguy and are you using ADLDAP or openLDAP? 16:14 mib_63rhkq So, editing the opac-user.pl script to add a "print Content-type: text/html\n" makes this work - the screen looks terrible though as it dumps session info to the header 16:14 mib_63rhkq I am using Novell LDAP 16:14 mib_63rhkq I am happy the LDAP part is working as the account is acutally created and if you click "Log In" again it will log in correctly 16:15 mib_63rhkq It's just the first time an account is created it fails. 16:15 tcohen jcamins: do u mean processing different chunks with different processes? 16:15 jcamins tcohen: right. 16:16 tcohen never tried it 16:17 jcamins Nor have I. 16:18 oleonard Anyone know if there's a reason why OPAC built-in author searches end in 'q=au:"Author name"' and intranet ones end in '?idx=au&q=Author name' ? 16:18 oleonard Are they functionally identical? 16:18 jcamins oleonard: 'cause we hate the OPAC? 16:18 tcohen jcamins: I think it should be possible, taking care of using shadow registers 16:18 jcamins tcohen: yeah, that was my thought. 16:18 hdl jcamins: i would not advise to run parallel indexing. 16:18 jcamins It was more idle curiosity than anything else, though. 16:18 tcohen but no record overlap 16:19 oleonard jcamins: ? 16:19 tcohen because of the way shadow registers are commited 16:19 jcamins oleonard: the version in the intranet is unambiguous and avoids CCL (which sucks). 16:19 jcamins The version in the OPAC is potentially ambiguous and uses CCL (which sucks). 16:20 hdl in fact, it works, since we acidentally have had some rebuild_zebra runing in // 16:20 oleonard Okay, so the the intranet version is preferred. That's what I needed to know jcamins 16:20 tcohen i mean, the chunks have empty intersection of records between 16:20 jcamins oleonard: right. 16:20 jcamins hdl: I was thinking for a complete rebuild. 16:20 hdl But problem is that zebraidx is really proc consuming 16:20 jcamins hdl: if you have sixteen idle processors, might as well use 'em all, though. ;) 16:20 hdl you would have to use cgroups imho 16:21 jcamins oleonard: right. We use CCL in the OPAC because it's easier, but it's probably not a good idea. 16:23 jcamins What would be a really good idea is using some sort of query parsing liberary. 16:23 jcamins *library 16:23 jcamins hdl: does BibLibre have a preferred query parsing library? 16:24 * jcamins won't be rewriting C4::Search anytime soon, but it's nice to imagine. 16:25 libsysguy haha aww jcamins I think your're the perfect guy to rewite C$::Search 16:25 jcamins libsysguy: that may be, but who is going to sponsor it? 16:25 libsysguy while you're at it you can just move it over to the Koha:: namespace 16:26 jcamins libsysguy: that's the plan. 16:26 libsysguy how much would it cost (jw not offering lol) 16:27 jcamins libsysguy: a lot. 16:27 jcamins Depending on exactly what the parameters were, probably 20k+. 16:27 oleonard Many an adventurer have eyed that lofty peak, but none have dared challenge it. 16:28 jcamins oleonard: for good reason! 16:28 sekjal moving to Koha:: would be a lot like rewriting the whole software package 16:28 jcamins sekjal: it would indeed. 16:28 sekjal s/a lot like//; 16:28 jcamins But keeping the community. 16:29 sekjal yes 16:29 sekjal that's the important part 16:29 jcamins sekjal: but that was just for moving C4::Search to Koha::Search. 16:29 jcamins And rewriting C4::Search to not suck 16:29 sekjal I think we need, as a group, to plan out some of the larger structural choices around the new Koha:: namespace 16:30 kf sekjal: I think overplanning it will make it never happen 16:30 sekjal like having two layers: DB access modules, and functional modules 16:30 kf sekjal: there have already been some points made 16:30 * jcamins is perfectly happy to accept any clear guidelines that are offered, but doesn't care enough. 16:30 jcamins (to spend time planning) 16:30 kf one could always add to these - they are on the bug or open discussion to incorporate another idea into the coding guidelines 16:31 jcamins "Maintain strict MVC separation" pretty much covers it. 16:31 jcamins (IMHO) 16:32 jcamins Kaizen. 16:34 * kf finally looked up kaizen 16:34 jcamins kf: it's my mantra. Stolen from rangi. 16:34 * oleonard has signed off on Bug 6919 but proposed a follow-up too which needs signoff 16:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6919 major, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Implementing XSLTResultsDisplay 16:35 jcamins Ooooh. 16:35 jcamins oleonard++ 16:35 kf oleonard++ 16:35 kf jcamins: I might steal it from you :) 16:35 jcamins It's a good mantra. 16:39 maximep the authorities search would output $ in front of results in 3.2, but doesn't seem to do it in 3.6. Any idea of why or how I could find out what changed ? 16:40 kf ? 16:40 kf maximep: authority search in opac or staff? 16:40 jcamins maximep: are you sure that it's not a difference in the data? 16:40 jcamins $9 at the beginning versus at the end? 16:40 maximep staff 16:41 maximep C4::AuthorieisMarc::SearchAuthorities is the same from what I see 16:41 maximep might be something in my data 16:42 * jcamins is pretty sure it's your data. 16:42 jcamins maximep: but, while we're on the subject of authorities... 16:42 jcamins Don't you want to test bug 7284? 16:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements 16:42 jcamins You do?!? 16:42 jcamins Excellent!!!! 16:42 jcamins :D 16:42 jcamins I knew it. 16:42 maximep nope, not my data 16:43 jcamins maximep: hm. 16:43 maximep just switched my symlink from 3.6 to 3.2 16:43 jcamins Bug 7284 won't fix that, but is still worth trying again. :P 16:43 maximep so should be using all the same stuff 16:43 jcamins maximep: if there's a change, it wouldn't be in SearchAuthorities. 16:43 jcamins It would be in BuildSummary. 16:44 maximep ok, will look at it 16:46 gaetan_B bye #koha! 16:49 maximep aaaaaaaah found it 16:50 jcamins What is it? 16:50 reiveune bye 16:50 maximep in 3.2 $heading.= $field->as_formatted(); 16:50 maximep in 3.6 $heading.= $field->as_string('abvxyz68'); 16:50 jcamins Ah. 16:50 jcamins Hm. 16:51 maximep now to look at who/when/why changed it 16:52 jcamins maximep: was I right about where it would be? 16:52 maximep yes 16:52 * jcamins isn't sure whether he should be glad or not. 16:53 maximep bug 4433 16:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4433 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, $a displayed in front of topical subjects in authority search 16:53 maximep haha 16:53 maximep for some reason your client wants it like is was :S 16:54 jcamins maximep: for some reason? 16:54 jcamins @quote get 123 16:54 huginn` jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 16:56 wizzyrea ^^ is always the reason 16:56 wizzyrea :) 16:56 wizzyrea it's not good or bad, it just is. 16:58 kf bye all :) 16:59 jcamins wizzyrea: how goes your testing of bug 7284? 16:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements 17:00 wizzyrea it would be going better if I could get 5 minutes in a row to look at it 17:00 oleonard jcamins: Ask again in 4 minutes 17:00 jcamins Hm, yes, that would help. 17:01 jcamins oleonard: good idea. 17:09 * jcamins signs off on bug 6299, again. 17:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms 17:13 jcamins wizzyrea: how's it going? :P 17:13 wizzyrea lol 17:14 jcamins See, hdl's report on bug 6713 is a perfect example of something that would be fixed by a rewrite of C4::Search. 17:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6713 critical, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , marc import not matching 17:37 jcamins March 21? Isn't it usually the second Wednesday? 17:37 oleonard You could have objected if you'd been there :P 17:38 * jcamins doesn't care. 17:38 jcamins And, for the record, I rearranged my schedule to make the meeting. 17:38 oleonard The meeting chair proposed it for mysterious reasons. 17:38 jcamins Unfortunately, I rearranged my schedule to make the meeting on the wrong day. 17:38 jcamins I am available at 9pm tonight. 17:38 jcamins ;) 17:38 * oleonard almost did the same thing 17:43 * oleonard has worked all morning on Koha and has only increased the number of 'needs signoff' bugs... 17:44 wizzyrea well it is bug squashing day, sometimes squashing bugs happens *before* it gets into koha 17:44 wizzyrea I consider it good that we're doing our best to keep bugs out 17:45 * jcamins signed off on stuff. 17:45 wizzyrea quality > quantity? 17:45 * wizzyrea tried to but ended up fixing the patch instead 18:11 slef boom 18:11 wizzyrea boom? 18:12 slef feels a bit like it :) 18:12 slef today started at something like 0811 and I've only just sat down to read email 18:12 jcamins wizzyrea: that was the sound of everyone rushing to look at cute cat pictures. :) 18:12 slef (10h ago, for those of you not in +0000) 18:13 slef jcamins: http://invisiblecats.com/ ? 18:13 jcamins Heh. 18:13 slef by the way, I tried a random image server last week 18:13 wizzyrea lol those are cute 18:13 jcamins A random image server? 18:13 slef serves a random image off the web 18:13 * jcamins needs a source of CC-licensed cute cat pictures. 18:13 jcamins Ah. 18:14 slef there's a lot more porn around than when I last used one in 1999 18:14 wizzyrea possibly the cutest thing I've ever seen: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwu94sgT4K1qiqo40o1_250.gif 18:14 jcamins I was going to say that doesn't seem like a good idea. 18:14 slef mah, I'm just an internet innocent 18:15 slef No next meeting set last night? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_8_February_2012 18:15 jcamins 21 March. 18:16 slef ah topic 18:16 slef just spotted it 18:16 * slef edits the wiki 18:16 * jcamins waits for slef to ask why it isn't the second Wednesday. 18:16 slef hackfest 18:16 wahanui hackfest is slowly seing hackers leaving... 18:16 slef hehha 18:16 jcamins Ah, there actually was a reason. 18:16 jcamins Cool. 18:17 slef I thought you were just niggling me :) 18:17 jcamins That's next month already? 18:17 jcamins Wow. 18:17 jcamins Nope. 18:17 * jcamins asked, and then noticed that at least one other person had asked during the meeting. 18:17 * jcamins didn't actually finish reading the notes, though, so he didn't see an answer. 18:22 slef ok I think I've added it to two places where it should be (today's meeting page, and the IRC Meetings page) 18:22 slef I guess I should check What Links Here on today's meeting page 18:22 slef yeah, just those 18:22 slef cool 18:28 wizzyrea gah I really need to get stupid marcedit working somewhere. 18:28 slef why? 18:29 * slef exports to marcxml and uses an xml editor 18:30 * jcamins too. 18:30 jcamins Well, vim. 18:30 jcamins It's like an XML editor, with less XML-y-ness. 18:30 libsysguy emacs 18:31 libsysguy its like an operating system 18:31 jcamins That's like an XML editor, but includes a kitchen sinnk. 18:31 wizzyrea meh. 18:31 * wizzyrea curses people who develop only using windows .net 18:32 libsysguy ^^ 18:32 libsysguy i have a lot of friends that only code in C# 18:32 * wizzyrea curses them 18:32 wizzyrea CURSE CURSE CURSE 18:33 wizzyrea ok lunch. 18:33 oleonard Back later. 18:35 slef emacs zen-coding 18:42 * jcamins tries to do the Twitter thing. 18:44 * maximep just installed zen-coding for his editor and is loving it 18:58 slef damn, I knew I shouldn't be sharing our secret sauce ;) 18:58 maximep now I can't wait until I have a use for it 18:58 slef I just cited Cuba as an example of democracy to someone in the US. I wonder what will happen next. 18:59 slef maximep: ah good! If you're like me, you'll have forgotten the syntax by then! 19:02 maximep well there's really nothing to remember 19:02 maximep it's css syntax 19:03 maximep but maybe I will forget it exists :p 19:03 slef except when it isn't, like producing lots of li items 19:03 slef or adding attributes to html tags 19:03 slef which if you write marcxml, you will need to do 19:03 slef at least I don't think they're css syntax 19:03 maximep something[attribute] u mean ? 19:04 slef but maybe I don't write as evil css as I could 19:04 maximep hmmm maybe it's xpath 19:04 slef hey I said I don't remember :) 19:04 slef nah, I use xpath more and it's deffo not that 19:05 maximep anyway, it looks a lot like jquery selectors, so I will probably remember it 19:05 maximep cool stuff 19:05 slef like: ul attr="value">li*10 19:06 slef very cool, but quite Swiss Army Chainsaw 19:06 slef wahanui: Swiss Army Chainsaw? 19:06 wahanui slef: bugger all, i dunno 19:06 slef wahanui: a Swiss Army Chainsaw is very useful but when you get it wrong, it will take your leg off. 19:06 wahanui OK, slef. 19:07 slef wahanui: public domain means if you break it, you get to keep both pieces. 19:07 wahanui slef: i'm not following you... 19:07 slef wahanui: public domain is if you break it, you get to keep both pieces. 19:07 wahanui OK, slef. 19:08 slef wahanui: C# is like making an octopus by nailing extra legs onto a dog - no-one is happy with the result and especially not the dog. 19:08 wahanui OK, slef. 19:08 jcamins C#? 19:08 wahanui rumour has it C# is like making an octopus by nailing extra legs onto a dog - no-one is happy with the result and especially not the dog 19:11 slef wahanui: a Dolly Parton business case is one that looks impressive at first sight but on closer inspection is incredible because it has insufficient support. 19:11 wahanui OK, slef. 19:11 slef wahanui: co-ops are the bomb found at http://www.ica.coop/ 19:11 wahanui OK, slef. 19:11 slef wahanui: 2012 is the International Year of Co-operatives http://www.2012.coop/ 19:11 wahanui OK, slef. 19:11 slef which is evil bad and wrong as a domain name but meh 19:12 slef I once called a server beef without realising that's a valid hex number. Which caused some fun. 19:13 * wizzyrea imagines your bovine inspired server, giggles 19:27 * jcamins waits for bag, trea, and ago43 to change their nicks. 19:27 wizzyrea ! 19:27 jcamins Oh, and JesseM and NateC are here too. 19:27 bag heh ;) 19:27 trea i refuse to participate. 19:27 * jcamins waits expectantly. 19:27 trea i'ts how i stay unique 19:27 wizzyrea whut 19:27 bag we are having THE fun 19:28 JesseM :P 19:28 wizzyrea oh. 19:30 slef wizzyrea: they were actually stew-inspired. 19:31 slef wizzyrea: we had beef, lamb, rabbit and veggie that I remember. 19:31 wizzyrea yum 19:31 wizzyrea i mean, the idea of stew in general 19:31 wizzyrea is appealing to me :P 19:31 jcamins wizzyrea: what about stone? I guess it's stone soup, though. 19:32 wizzyrea sure, why not 19:32 wizzyrea as long as it includes dumplings, we'll be cool. 19:32 slef rabbit was replaced with a cluster and they had names of particular rabbits. peter, brer, roger, tantumbunky and I'm sure there was one more. 19:32 wizzyrea hehe 19:32 jcamins Whoops, I meant that to be directed to slef. 19:32 jcamins Heh. 19:35 magnuse wow, "tantumbunky" has 5 hits on google? 19:36 slef magnuse: wow. Any of them me? 19:36 slef yes 19:37 slef three are mChicago, who I worked with; two are me 19:37 magnuse heh 19:37 magnuse a very particular rabbit, then 19:38 slef yes 19:38 slef It cracks me up 19:38 slef I must tell its former owner 19:40 slef hehe, the two that are me telling off another former colleague 19:40 slef drojf1: please summarise wiki edits 19:43 slef aha! THUMPER! 19:43 slef that was the other one 19:43 slef of course! 19:43 slef ahem 19:43 slef Nurse! 19:43 magnuse too many new patches, not enough signoffs ;-) http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/gbsd/gbsd9/hourlystatus-gbsd9.txt (and yes, i'm guilty too!) 19:44 * jcamins did a bunch! 19:44 magnuse jcamins++ 19:46 drojf1 slef: ah. will do that next time 19:51 slef drojf1: thanks. It makes the emails from the wiki more informative. 19:52 drojf1 makes sense. i didn't even see a field for that. not much wiki experience 19:56 slef it's just above the save and preview buttons? 19:58 Space_Librarian morning #koha 19:59 slef https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/dear-hollywood-open-letter-hardworking-men-and-women-entertainment-industries 20:00 slef and for those of you in the US, your government is doing fast+secret trade treaty negotiations again! https://action.eff.org/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=8229 20:00 wizzyrea YAY. 20:03 wizzyrea I mean, not yay. 20:03 wizzyrea ugh. 20:03 wizzyrea mornin Space_Librarian 20:06 wizzyrea didn't romania and czechoslovakia go in and then out of those negotiations? 20:06 wizzyrea I haven't read much about it today 20:08 Space_Librarian morning wizzyrea 20:17 jcamins Well I'll be. 20:17 jcamins Wait, what? 20:17 wahanui Wait, is it only in items? 20:18 jcamins There is a video tutorial for installing Koha. 20:18 jcamins On Windows. 20:18 Space_Librarian ?! 20:18 sekjal jcamins: how recent? 20:18 Space_Librarian I thought that was for an old version 20:19 Space_Librarian 3.2 or something 20:19 Space_Librarian or even earlier 20:19 jcamins Space_Librarian: the last version that works on Windows was 2.2.something. 20:19 jcamins sekjal: October. 20:19 jcamins On Windows 7. 20:19 sekjal jcamins: but what version of Koha? 20:19 * jcamins is waiting to find out. 20:20 jcamins Ah, there's an image of the Koha interface. 20:20 jcamins Pre-3, certainly. 20:20 Space_Librarian yes, it came up in conversation last week, methinks 20:21 jcamins I guess these are the people indradg was talking about- they've suddenly decided to start promoting Koha on Windows heavily. 20:25 drojf1 why would one want to run koha on windows? 20:26 jcamins Goodness only knows. 20:27 sekjal if Windows is all you're familiar with, then it may seem easier to force Koha to run on it rather than learn *Nix 20:27 jcamins True, but then you're all alone. 20:27 jcamins Though I guess whoever these people are they don't put much stock in sharing. 20:28 cait ? 20:28 cait hi all :) 20:28 sekjal less important than having the software installed and (hopefully) usable 20:28 drojf1 hi cait :) 20:28 jcamins Hi cait. 20:28 wizzyrea is this their way of "forcing" us to make a post 2 install available for windows? 20:28 wizzyrea that's more pain than I want to endure, but whatever. 20:28 cait hi drojf1, jcamins, sekjal and wizzyrea :) 20:28 sekjal hi, cait 20:28 jcamins sekjal: usable up until they hit a problem, at which point they have an unusable system that no one can help them with. 20:28 wizzyrea hi cait! 20:28 jcamins Hi cait. 20:29 sekjal jcamins: true enough 20:29 wizzyrea or a feature that they want that isn't compatible with 2.2 20:29 sekjal I don't see any good reason to make Koha run on Windows, myself. Nor Mac OS X. installing a Debian server really isn't that horrifically hard 20:29 drojf1 i dont see why you would want to run anything you want to be accessed from the internet on a windows machine 20:29 cait ^^ 20:30 cait what are you discussing? 20:30 * cait is still thawing from her little walk 20:30 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:30 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -10.3�C (9:25 PM CET on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035.1 hPa (Steady). 20:30 drojf1 but then, if you have not much knowledge of computers, but you have a running windows machine, that might sound like a good idea 20:31 drojf1 but its not :( 20:31 jcamins Definitely not. 20:32 drojf1 if you cant do it there are people to help you. if its too complicated for yourself or you have better things to do you can pay somebody. i think if neither of that is good then koha is the wrong system. 20:33 cait hm bug 7112 20:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7112 major, P3, ---, henridamien, Needs Signoff , Having two prices in 020$c causes basket creation to fail from staged marc import 20:33 cait it's always talking about decimal points... guess it will not work for decimal commas :( 20:33 Space_Librarian @wunder wellington, nz 20:33 huginn` Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 09, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 20:34 drojf1 cait: should that not be a variable of some kind? decimal thingy, and you choose it in the prefs? 20:34 cait drojf1: yeah, that too 20:34 cait but here it's about an acq feature 20:34 cait so if your data has euro prices... 20:34 cait I doubt it works 20:34 drojf1 oh 20:34 cait not totally sure 20:40 wizzyrea it is nice to have kyle back doing stuff all the time :) 20:40 wizzyrea on koha, that is. 20:41 Space_Librarian lol. More minions? 20:41 bag @wunder 93109 20:41 huginn` bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 24.3�C (12:39 PM PST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling). 20:44 drojf1 the map of anti acta demonstrations looks quite impressive. i wonder how many of these will end up as facebook protests without people actually going (sorry, google maps link) http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212120558776447282985.0004b7b33e16f13c710c7&msa=0&ie=UTF8&t=m&ll=48.748945,11.425781&spn=34.891447,57.128906&z=4&source=embed 20:50 drojf my internet is crazy :( 20:50 cait ooh 20:50 cait it's kicking you out? 20:51 drojf yes 20:52 cait ooh 20:52 * cait hands drojf the duct tape 20:52 drojf heh thanks 20:53 * Space_Librarian hands drojf a hammer (just in case) 20:53 drojf thanks. if i cant repair it, i'll smash it :D 20:54 Space_Librarian a la - http://ldsrr91.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/computer-duck.png 20:55 wizzyrea rofl 20:55 slef [off] drojf: I've been pushing it a bit but also quite careful not to say I'll go anywhere because I can't on the day of my nearest (which is still 100+ miles away) :( 20:55 slef drojf: it's because you're against ACTA, so you are being censored! 20:56 drojf i was actually thinking that for a second. "there he is, let's take his internet!" :/ 20:56 jcamins Huh? 20:58 jcamins Never mind. 20:58 jcamins I'm calling it a day. 20:58 wizzyrea you should. 20:58 wizzyrea too many kittens 20:58 Space_Librarian lol ginger ones? 21:08 drojf turns out i did not really learn much git today. shame 21:11 cait drojf: we could walk you through some things 21:11 cait there are also good notes on the wiki 21:12 cait git? 21:12 wahanui i guess git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 21:14 drojf duct tape did not work. now for the hammer… 21:15 drojf i give up. the internet does not like me tonight. good night #koha 21:16 cait good night drojf 21:18 maximep @wunder cyqb 21:18 huginn` maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is -5.0�C (4:00 PM EST on February 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling). 21:21 wizzyrea ok, i am totally digging fredericd's indexer daemon 21:21 wizzyrea hawt. 21:21 cait hi paul_p 21:22 wizzyrea hi ipaul 21:25 paul_p hi #koha 21:25 * paul_p about to go to bed 21:31 NCARMichael hey gang! 21:31 wizzyrea hiya 21:32 NCARMichael question regarding "hidden" fields and subfields 21:32 NCARMichael i went here http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/catadmin.html 21:32 NCARMichael and could not make sense of the coding system 21:32 NCARMichael what I want is for the 590 field(s) to appear. 21:32 NCARMichael currently, they're not. 21:33 oleonard Bye #koha 21:33 wizzyrea bye oleonard 21:33 wizzyrea you mean the hidden values? 21:33 wizzyrea did you click on the in-app help? 21:33 cait NCARMichael: where do you want them to appear? 21:34 cait it will only work for the marc views, not for the normal view 21:34 NCARMichael on tab 5 (for most frameworks) when i click on Edit Record 21:38 NCARMichael correction: "add MARC record" 21:38 sekjal okay, time for me to go. night, #koha! 21:38 NCARMichael 090 field and 590 fields do not show 21:39 cait what are the hidden fields set to? 21:41 NCARMichael when i go into subfields for 090, I have all of them set (in the "hidden" field) to 0 21:41 cait ok, that should work 21:41 cait are you using memcache? 21:42 NCARMichael um, dunno 21:42 NCARMichael what is that 21:42 wahanui that is failed qa 21:42 cait caching tomake your server faster 21:42 cait it will also makes changes to the frameworks not appear 21:42 NCARMichael how do i find that out 21:42 cait becuase there is a little bug 21:42 cait hmm 21:42 cait not sure, perhaps try /etc/inid.t/memcache restart ? :) 21:43 eythian *init.d 21:43 cait right 21:43 NCARMichael i'm guessing Galen would have to do that for me... 21:43 cait good morning eythian :) 21:43 cait ah 21:43 eythian hi 21:43 cait he will also know if you are using memcache 21:44 NCARMichael okay, i'll shoot him an email 21:46 NCARMichael thanks, bye. 21:46 cait NCARMichael: you can also check someting else - like changing a description 21:47 cait if that shows up, it's not memcache and some problemwith the hidden fields 22:06 * Space_Librarian wants to throttle z39.50 servers 22:06 wizzyrea O.O 22:06 wizzyrea whyfor 22:07 Space_Librarian they're just not working for me. I had 2 up this morning, and even they're down now. 22:07 Space_Librarian And LC is simply refusing to connect 22:24 wizzyrea i wonder if perhaps you have tons of stuff in your queue 22:25 eythian Space_Librarian: fixed. 22:25 wizzyrea :D noice. 22:29 * Space_Librarian blinks 22:29 cait night all 22:30 Space_Librarian gasp! happy dance :D 22:30 Space_Librarian eythian ++ 22:33 eythian <firstname.lastname@example.org>: host lists.koha-community.org[188.8.131.52] 22:33 eythian said: 550 5.1.1 <email@example.com>: Recipient address 22:33 eythian rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command) 22:34 eythian not ideal... 22:34 eythian oh wait 22:34 eythian Someone else got it wrong and I reply-all'ed. 22:53 jcamins_away Was there something else I wanted to sign off on tonight?