Time Nick Message 03:42 Amit_Gupta heya bag 05:34 cait_______ morning koha 05:44 cait t 05:49 Amit_Gupta heya cait 05:51 cait hi Amit 07:30 marcelr hi koha 07:32 paul_p_ good morning #koha 07:38 alex_a morning koha 07:40 marcelr hi paul_p & alex_a 07:45 alex_a hi marcelr 07:45 alex_a marcelr: do you know about koha and ldap ? 07:45 marcelr not that much 07:45 alex_a :s 07:50 magnuse kia ora #koha 07:50 magnuse @wunder boo 07:50 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -11.0�C (8:20 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -21.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 07:50 marcelr hi magnuse 07:51 marcelr @wunder amsterdam 07:51 magnuse hiya marcelr 07:51 huginn` marcelr: Error: No such location could be found. 07:51 marcelr ? 07:51 magnuse @wunder amsterdam, netherlands 07:51 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is -9.0�C (8:25 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Steady). 07:51 magnuse ooh, that's cold! 07:51 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:51 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -4.0�C (8:30 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 07:51 marcelr not as in norway 07:51 magnuse marcelr: true 07:52 magnuse still cold in marseille too! 07:52 marcelr for them unusual 07:52 magnuse yeah 08:00 reiveune hello 08:00 marcelr hi reiveune 08:01 reiveune hi :) 08:02 kf good morning #koha 08:02 marcelr hi kf 08:07 gaetan_B hello 08:07 wahanui privet, gaetan_B 08:08 marcelr hi gaetan_B 08:20 asaurat hi! 08:21 kf hi marcelr 08:21 marcelr hi kf 08:21 paul_p good morning Europe ! 08:21 paul_p (marcelr & kf mainly) 08:21 marcelr kf: could you check on bug 3264 shortly? 08:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3264 major, P2, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Uncloning a dropdown list in MARC authorities/biblio editor may clear all subfields (see comment 17) 08:22 marcelr hi paul_p 08:22 kf marcelr: sorry not today 08:22 marcelr oops 08:22 kf my glasses are broken, I have a hard time reading my mails 08:22 * mtj waves to europe 08:22 marcelr ok 08:22 marcelr hi mtj 08:26 magnuse bonjour paul_p 08:27 * magnuse waves to mtj 08:27 mtj kia ora magnuse , hi all 08:29 magnuse ff 10, eh? moving fast! 08:30 Amit_Gupta heya magnuse 08:30 Amit_Gupta mtj around? 08:31 magnuse hi Amit_Gupta 08:31 mtj i think i have discovered an interesting bug with a Koha.2.2 upgrade , to a Koha-3.4 08:32 mtj .... the bug happens when running the post-upgrade '/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl' script 08:32 mtj heya amit 08:34 mtj for some Koha bibs with mismatching bib and bib-item numbers, the script does some bib corruption ?!? :/ 08:35 mtj hmm, i do need to re-confirm this.... and make sure its not some glitchy bib data - thats the problem 08:37 mtj i wonder if there might be a s/bib/bibitem/ typo, in the C4::Biblio.pm file, thats causing this even? 08:39 mtj ....i'll keep poking till i get to the bottom of it :) 08:40 magnuse happy hunting mtj! 08:42 mtj thanks magnuse, ill report my findings - when finished 08:43 magnuse yay 08:45 francharb hello 09:42 mtj well, good news.... :) its buggy bib-data causing my problem, not Koha 09:43 magnuse good news for the rest of us, that is... ;-) 11:10 drojf1 hi #koha 11:10 kf hi drojf1 11:10 drojf1 hi kf :) 11:10 kf :) 11:10 drojf1 @wunder berlin, germany 11:10 huginn` drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -13.4�C (11:42 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -20.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.72 in 1040.2 hPa (Falling). 11:11 kf @wunder Konstanz 11:11 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -9.0�C (12:00 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1034 hPa (Rising). 11:11 drojf1 coldest night in 25 years last night 11:11 kf eew 11:11 drojf1 yup 11:12 asaurat so now you're warm for 25 more years 11:13 drojf1 heh 11:14 drojf1 they say i's going to stay that cold for a while 11:14 drojf1 not sure how much i like that 11:16 drojf1 @marc 942 11:16 huginn` drojf1: unknown tag 942 11:16 drojf1 hm 11:16 drojf1 is there a wikip gae for 942 like this one for 952 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29#MARC21_Holding_field.2C_3.0.x.2C_3.2.x_and_3.4.x_default_-_field_952? 11:16 drojf1 *wiki page 11:16 drojf1 i can only fint it in the indexing part of the deocumentation 11:16 drojf1 find 11:17 drojf1 frozen fingers ;) 11:17 magnuse @wunder boo 11:17 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0�C (11:50 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 11:17 magnuse @wunder kautokeino 11:17 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -30.0�C (7:00 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -33.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 11:17 drojf1 omg 11:18 magnuse they had -37 or something last night 11:18 kf drojf1: only 3 fields I think that are important there 11:19 kf or one 11:19 kf 942$c itemtype 11:19 kf is used when you work with recod level itemtypes and as a default for adding new items 11:19 drojf1 yeah that is the ine i am wondering about especially. is it the same as 952y? 11:19 kf item-level_itypes is the pref I think 11:19 kf it's similar 11:20 drojf1 i'm not sure if i understand what that means. what is the difference? 11:20 kf record level itemtypes mean you don't have an itemtype on item level 11:20 kf so all items of the record, have the itemtype of 942$c 11:21 drojf1 ah! 11:21 kf if you use title level itemtypes you can have 1 item for referecne, others avaulable for loan 11:21 drojf1 tool a while 11:21 drojf1 :) 11:21 drojf1 wook. damn keyboard 11:21 drojf1 narf 11:21 drojf1 took 11:21 kf heh 11:21 kf I blame all typos today on my missing glasses 11:21 drojf1 thanks. i understand it now 11:21 kf + my grumpiness 11:21 drojf1 what happened to your glasses? 11:22 kf they broke into 2 pieces 11:22 drojf1 ouch 11:22 kf yeah 11:22 drojf1 tape them together ;) 11:22 kf they are trying to build a replacement using a reamless frame... hopefully it works 11:23 kf I tried taping, but didn't work 11:23 drojf1 i had a crazy flatmate once that taped his glasses. for a few days until he has a new pair people thought. but he kept wearing them for weeks or months, fixed with blue tape. looked crazy :) 11:24 kf heh 11:24 drojf1 but he could see ;) 11:24 drojf1 @wunder tromso 11:24 huginn` drojf1: Error: No such location could be found. 11:25 drojf1 @wunder tromsø, norway 11:25 huginn` drojf1: Error: No such location could be found. 11:25 drojf1 :( 11:25 drojf1 where does he get the info from? 11:26 magnuse @wunder tromso, norway 11:26 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 11:26 drojf1 no love for tromsø 11:26 magnuse @wunder tos 11:26 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Tromso, Norway is -16.0�C (11:50 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: -24.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 11:26 drojf1 ah! 11:26 drojf1 seems not worse than berlin :) 11:26 drojf1 thanks 11:27 drojf1 oj, the windchill does look worse 11:27 magnuse brr 11:33 drojf1 i've seen people riding bikes on the canal near my home yesterday :D 11:33 kf brrr 12:13 kf bye all 12:25 marcelr bye 13:26 clrh hello 13:26 wahanui que tal, clrh 13:26 clrh I have a vocabulary question 13:28 clrh in frensh it is called "communication sur place" or "demande en magasin" 13:29 clrh bookstack 13:33 cait clrh: perhaps closed stacks? 13:33 cait not sure, I don't know french :) 13:35 cait clrh: perhaps when you describe people will have an idea? 13:35 francharb cait, is "book stack" the word commonly used for the room closed to public where a library keep books 13:36 francharb because they can't be issues like "normal" bool 13:36 francharb book 13:36 oleonard "closed stacks" sounds like a good phrase for that 13:36 francharb oleonard, is it the word you used in your library? 13:37 francharb it could be just to store books 13:37 francharb because the library doesnt have enought room to display them 13:37 oleonard If I recall correctly it's the term we used when I worked in a library with that kind of setup 13:37 francharb oki 13:37 francharb thanks! 13:43 cait francharb: closed stacks is what we were told to call it 13:43 cait german libraries do that too - and you have to order available books :) 13:43 francharb thanks cait ! 13:43 cait so someone can go and get them for you, in difference to a holds - which here will only be allowed on checked out books 13:43 cait to a hold 13:45 francharb that's exactly what we are taking about 13:45 francharb talking 13:46 cait francharb: I think french and german libraries are similar - well except for the fine in days thing perhps :) 13:46 cait ok, have to go, bbl 13:47 francharb see ya 13:47 francharb ;) 14:00 oleonard So, to recap: Fix for Bug 7493 would be to add foreign key constraints on biblio and borrowers, but trying to do so when deleted biblios or borrowers are referenced in reviews table causes error 14:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7493 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Deleting a record with comments breaks "Recent Comments" 14:01 oleonard I'm thinking running an update on reviews before doing the update is in order 14:01 oleonard DELETE FROM reviews WHERE biblionumber IN (SELECT biblionumber from deletedbiblio); 14:01 oleonard UPDATE reviews SET borrowernumber = NULL WHERE borrowernumber IN (SELECT borrowernumber FROM deletedborrowers); 14:01 oleonard I am seeking opinions. 14:05 * oleonard taps experimentally on the microphone 14:17 hdl oleonard: how do you call the place where you stock documents in a library ? 14:17 hdl in libraries in france it is called "magasin" 14:18 oleonard Stock documents? I don't understand. 14:18 collum Vertical file? 14:18 hdl you know a room where only librarians can access and bring documents to users ? 14:19 oleonard Is this the same question francharb just asked? I think "closed stacks" is correct 14:19 lculber hello koha. francharb still around? 14:19 hdl oh yeas. 14:19 hdl francharb: beat me. 14:19 francharb ? 14:20 oleonard "documents" made me think you meant something other than books. 14:20 hdl francharb: thanks. 14:20 hdl oleonard: could be. 14:20 francharb oleonard, i think that the same question 14:20 oleonard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_closed_stack_libraries 14:20 lculber francharb: we use closed stacks in archives. Could we help maybe? 14:21 oleonard "A closed stack library contains books and other items that are not available for viewing or browsing by the general public" 14:21 francharb oleonard, that's funny, i checked on wikipedia and found the same page 14:21 hdl k tahnks. 14:22 lculber Most of our collections are circulated through closed stacks. 14:22 collum We store our old newspapers and magazines in closed stacks. Mainly because of space limitations. 14:23 lculber Ours are one of a kind and rare. 14:24 hdl collum: lculber and oleonard thanks 14:25 francharb lculber, collum, one of the libraries we are working with ask us to develop a something to manage the access to the closed stacks 14:25 francharb lculber, collum, but i'm not in charge of this development 14:25 lculber francharb: We allow items to be checked out only for a day and only in a certain room (with a guard) 14:26 francharb so i won't know how it will work 14:26 hdl lculber: hourly loans... is the stuff we are to look and work on 14:26 francharb lculber, and before that? the patron ask for the access? 14:27 lculber francharb: Yes, They do a hold request. 14:27 francharb so you allow hold on available items, tight? 14:27 francharb right? 14:27 lculber francharb: right 14:28 collum If the item we retrieve cannot be checked-out, we just ask the patron to bring it back to the reference desk. Otherwise, our closed stacks have normal circulation periods. 14:28 francharb ok 14:29 lculber francharb: we have some items that are so rare they have to ask for special permission and sign papers, but those are few. 14:30 lculber They still have to do hold request though. Just jump through more hoops. 14:30 francharb lculber, do you only have "special access" books in you library? 14:30 francharb is the archive part of the library? 14:30 lculber francharb: yes. There are books, manuscripts, maps, photos, and audio-visuals 14:31 lculber francharb: if they are rare or fragile or "special" 14:32 lculber francharb: or if the law says they are restricted for some reason there are more hoops to go through 14:33 francharb for the library we are working with, it looks like a little bit more complex since they dont want the patron to be able to place hold on the available books + they have "regular" stacks and 1 day loan is not enought for their needs 14:34 lculber francharb: we have regular books too and files. Those have holds too. But we only allow one day on everything except for staff. 14:36 francharb ok 14:37 francharb i'm going to tell the developer that they can find advices here! ;) 14:37 lculber francharb: So rarely can I contribute anything, I'm very glad to help. 14:38 francharb :) 14:38 lculber Bye, koha! 14:58 clrh thantks cait oleonard francharb for vocab answer (I was afk one hour, sorry) 15:09 * drojf1 wonders if he will understand zebra before koha has solr 15:14 * wizzyrea waves 15:17 hdl drojf1: which zebra ? the zebra before dom or after dom :D 15:27 * druthb waves to wizzyrea. :) 15:27 wizzyrea heya 15:28 wizzyrea i'm getting ready to test bug 5166 15:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several rebuild_zebra.pl functions a lib 15:28 oleonard wizzyrea++ 15:34 * jcamins waves to everyone. 15:34 jcamins wizzyrea++ 15:34 wizzyrea heya 15:35 wizzyrea pft, you can give me karma if I actually get the testing done :P 15:35 wizzyrea (it's still installing!) 15:35 druthb wizzyrea++ 15:36 * jcamins tried testing it but after finding that it seemed to work realized that he hadn't been around long enough to know what exactly zebraqueuedaemon was supposed to do. 15:36 * druthb has reasons of her own for giving wizzyrea extra karma. 15:36 tcohen wizzyrea++ 15:36 wizzyrea whoa whoa whoa. 15:37 * druthb snickers. 15:38 druthb @most increased 15:38 huginn` druthb: "rangi": 511, "oleonard": 429, "wizzyrea": 288, "gmcharlt": 284, "chris_n": 262, "cait": 228, "nengard": 206, "sekjal": 196, "jcamins": 171, "paul_p": 166, "kf": 149, "druthb": 140, "magnuse": 129, "slef": 124, "eythian": 79, "hdl": 62, "hdl_laptop": 60, "biblibre": 57, "jwagner": 54, "fredericd": 54, "thd": 45, "kmkale": 44, "atz": 44, "pianohacker": 39, and "larsw": 37 15:38 jcamins oleonard++ # for his insightful blog that helped with the redesign of http://demo.cplibraries.com/ 15:38 druthb @karma 15:38 huginn` druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (506), "oleonard" (425), and "wizzyrea" (288). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-41). You (druthb) are ranked 12 out of 1935. 15:38 jcamins @karma 15:38 huginn` jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (506), "oleonard" (425), and "wizzyrea" (288). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-41). You (jcamins) are ranked 9 out of 1935. 15:39 * druthb is gonna have to get back to work on some good ideas--I used to be 9th! 15:39 oleonard Nice work jcamins, that's really snazzy 15:40 jcamins oleonard: thanks. 15:40 jcamins Any further suggestions are welcome! 15:40 * jcamins is particularly proud of the various "Actions" menus. :) 15:42 tcohen is there anyone here that wants to talk about a proposal I have around memoization? 15:42 jcamins tcohen: I'd like to hear about the proposal. :) 15:42 jcamins I probably don't know enough to respond. :( 15:42 tcohen I'd like to propose a modification of memoize::memcached so 15:43 tcohen we add a list of references to funcionts that invalidate cache for a specific memoized function 15:43 tcohen and create wrapper functions for those 'writers that invalidate cache' 15:43 tcohen the same way it is done for memoizing functions 15:44 jcamins That sounds very logical to me. 15:44 tcohen we now have memoize_memcached(func_name,...) 15:44 tcohen i propose memoize_memcached(func_name,...,%functions_that_invalidate_cache) 15:45 jcamins This makes sense to me. 15:45 tcohen the memoize::memcached dev told me to take over the lib 15:46 tcohen i'll do some tests and come back 15:46 tcohen just needed a confirmation of anyone that it was worth giving it a try 15:48 jcamins It sounds like a good idea to *me*. 15:51 jcamins But I'm very big on caching. 15:52 * jcamins would cache the results of the XSLT processing if he could. 15:54 * jcamins has been calling for an option for an out-of-band rendering daemon so that he could cache more aggressively without causing any problems for other Koha-ians. 15:55 jcamins Since I'm not writing such an interface yet, I'm not particularly vigorous in my calls. 15:55 jcamins :) 15:56 hdl tcohen: it would be something to consider. 15:56 hdl Consider also caching the results for pages. 15:57 tcohen hdl: I think once we have a proper method for invalidating cached data 15:57 tcohen that would be as easy as memoizing everything we consider can be cached 15:59 jcamins Ooh, this I like. 16:02 wizzyrea so far so good on 5166 :D 16:02 wizzyrea sub-minute zebraqueue processing is pretty great. 16:02 tcohen That's what my librarians think :-D 16:02 wizzyrea would need to put it under load, though. 16:03 wizzyrea you run it in production? 16:03 tcohen it's been year and a half in production here 16:03 wizzyrea holy cannoli. 16:04 wizzyrea I'd love to try it out on NExpress, but I can certainly confirm that it works as described 16:04 tcohen well, it was fixed for master and such.... 16:04 wizzyrea sure sure. 16:06 reiveune bye 16:06 sekjal wizzyrea: do a batch item edit on 10,000 materials... that should load it up pretty good 16:06 wizzyrea sekjal: that's a great idea. 16:07 drojf i have some zebra questions. in record.abs i find :p, :w, :s, :n, for example 16:07 drojf melm 245$a […] Title:w,Title:p,Title:s 16:07 drojf i understand :p is phrase, :w is word and :s is sort index. i guess :n (not in this example) is number. i can guess the difference between word and phrase indexing. 16:07 drojf 1. i suppose sort index is for all fields that i would like to sort my results by. is that correct? 16:07 drojf 2. what is the difference between :w and no : at all? for example 16:07 drojf melm 730 Title,Title:p,Title-uniform 16:07 drojf what is the difference between "Title" here and "Title:w" for melm 245$a? 16:07 drojf would be glad if someone could enlighten me. the indexdata doc did not really help or i'm too blind to find much on that matter there. 16:07 druthb trea++ 16:07 drojf sorry for the flood :) 16:08 wizzyrea tcohen: do you have any experience with batch-mod + the daemon? How does it work? 16:08 tcohen wizzyrea: as it works sequentialy, it wont start a new run until it wont finish the 10000 items edit queue 16:08 tcohen i've never used batch-mod 16:08 wizzyrea cool, that's what I was wondering 16:08 * wizzyrea goes to verify that claim :) 16:08 tcohen ooops 16:08 tcohen i hope I was right :$ 16:11 jcamins drojf: in principle without a type is the same as :w. 16:11 jcamins In practice, it goes somewhere else. 16:12 hdl jcamins: and with abs2dom, it is even worse. 16:13 drojf jcamins: what do you mean by "it goes somewhere else"? 16:15 wizzyrea tcohen: so far so good :) 16:15 * wizzyrea needs MOAR RECORDS 16:16 tcohen wizzyrea++ :-D :-D 16:16 jcamins drojf: exactly what it sounds like. The data ends up in an index, but it doesn't appear to be commingle with the :w-indexed data, and therefore doesn't work with CCL. 16:18 drojf ah, i see. thanks for clarifying! 16:18 slef does anyone else get confused between rel_3_6 and 3.6.x or is it just me? 16:19 jcamins slef: huh? What's the difference? 16:19 slef jcamins: rel_3_6 in bugzilla, 3.6.x in git IIRC 16:19 drojf jcamins++ # just learned that you actually count here :) 16:19 jcamins slef: that's confusing. 16:19 slef jcamins: ask git for rel_3_6 and it checks out master instead, which is a pig to fix 16:20 slef maybe another bugzilla change to suggest on list 16:23 slef hi cait 16:24 slef other random fun things to check: how does koha end up pulling in libgtk2.0-common 16:24 slef on debian squeeze. 16:24 cait hi slef :) 16:24 cait hm no ida? 16:24 jcamins slef: imagemagick? 16:24 cait oh 16:24 cait good idea 16:24 slef jcamins: I suspect so. 16:24 cait hi jcamins :) 16:25 * cait has new glasses :) 16:25 slef cait: ever get confused between rel_3_6 and 3.6.x? 16:25 jcamins cait: yay! 16:25 * slef has old eyes 16:25 cait slef: um - where are those? bugzilla? 16:25 slef rel_3_6 is bugzilla, 3.6.x is git 16:25 cait hm no 16:25 slef the difference gets me sometimes 16:25 cait not getting confused 16:26 cait but the tags are not consistent on git anyway 16:26 * tcohen never thought I would find a 'goto' on a modern library 16:27 jcamins tcohen: really? 16:28 * oleonard remembers the kerfuffle when they added it to PHP not too long ago 16:28 tcohen yeap, its a wrapper library 16:28 tcohen and it has stuff like 16:29 tcohen goto &lib::function if condition_not_valid 16:29 jcamins tcohen: I meant "you're surprised?" 16:29 tcohen jcamins: hahaha 16:29 tcohen yes, I confess i was suprised 16:33 * jcamins isn't. 16:34 jcamins Actually, in Perl that's necessary for certain types of dispatching, isn't it? 16:48 druthb @wunder 66049 16:48 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 3.3�C (10:47 AM CST on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Steady). 16:49 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET 16:49 huginn` slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 5.9�C (4:45 PM GMT on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.46 in 1031.4 hPa (Steady). 16:49 slef surprisingly mild today 16:49 druthb @wunder konstanz 16:49 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -10.6�C (5:44 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1033.7 hPa (Steady). 16:49 * druthb shivers 16:49 slef @wunder Bad Salzuflen 16:49 huginn` slef: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Bad Oeynhausen DE, Bad Salzuflen, Germany is -8.3�C (5:33 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -13.0�C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035.1 hPa. 16:50 slef [off] I don't even Sarah 16:50 slef [off] envy, even 16:58 cait oh 16:58 cait is she travelling 17:06 gaetan_B by koha ! 17:06 gaetan_B err bye #koha, actually ! 17:12 francharb see ya 17:12 francharb @wunder lyon, france 17:12 huginn` francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is -3.0�C (6:00 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 17:12 francharb grrrr 17:40 jcamins wizzyrea: did you see my test plan for bug 7284? 17:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements 17:40 jcamins You asked, I answered. :) 17:40 wizzyrea i was going to look at it today :) 17:40 jcamins You ran screaming away in horror, I looked on disappointedly. ;) 17:41 wizzyrea lol 17:41 oleonard Oh no no no, you need a much simpler, more restful bug to test. Something nice and quiet like the follow-up on Bug 6865. 17:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients 17:41 wizzyrea :) 17:41 wizzyrea you may get your wish on that one. 17:41 wizzyrea too. 17:42 jcamins Oh, there was another patch oleonard did that I wanted to sign off on. 17:42 jcamins (but didn't have time for) 17:45 * chris_n wonders how one would go about "restarting" a web app? 17:45 sekjal oleonard: I just git-bz'ed 6865! 17:45 jcamins chris_n: yeah, I've been wondering. 17:46 * oleonard wonders how you modify every page in Koha to eliminate scrolling 17:46 wizzyrea O.O 17:46 jcamins oleonard: lol 17:46 chris_n yeah, I was too 17:46 jcamins oleonard: change it so that you only display one result per page. 17:46 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right 17:46 * chris_n thinks if you don't like the way Koha is, do it better 17:46 chris_n and then submit it for inclusion ;-) 17:46 wizzyrea (then submit the patch) 17:46 chris_n snap 17:47 * wizzyrea highfives chris_n 17:47 slef oleonard: put overflow: hide or whatever it is in the CSS? ;-) 17:48 oleonard Ignorance is bliss! 17:48 slef I like wahanui's reaction to jcamins's suggestion. 17:48 slef dinner 17:48 * chris_n has to go play with his new TI-nspire 17:48 cait mmh dinner 17:48 wizzyrea hmm lunch. 17:48 cait heh 17:48 cait :) 17:49 chris_n lunch... been there, done that :) 17:49 wizzyrea well I did a bib import of 30k records - the daemon seemed to work a treat - I set it to poll every 5 seconds 17:49 jcamins Nifty! 17:50 wizzyrea it did somewhere between 80-200 a go 17:50 wizzyrea never got overwhelmed 17:50 wizzyrea now, this was fdemains cpan version 17:50 wizzyrea I suppose I could test tcohen's too 17:52 cait I did test fredericd's too 17:52 cait it worked nicely 17:52 cait can't say much about the way it's done 17:52 wizzyrea well i'm inclined to comment and say "this works, we should include it" 17:52 wizzyrea since there's not really something to "sign off on" for that particular thing 17:57 jcamins Any BibLibrans around? 17:57 jcamins Or anyone from France at all, for that matter? 18:01 * jcamins watches all the French people leave. 18:01 jcamins Alas. 18:01 Guillaume I'm french and still here ! 18:02 jcamins Yay! 18:02 Guillaume But not for long ;-) 18:02 jcamins I have a very quick question for you. 18:02 Guillaume ok 18:02 jcamins Guillaume: is "BDIC" the correct abbreviation for the Bibliotheque de documentation internationale contemporaine? 18:03 Guillaume yes, I think 18:03 jcamins Yay! 18:03 jcamins Thanks! 18:03 Guillaume see http://www.bdic.fr/ 18:03 drojf fr.wikipedia.org agrees ;) 18:03 jcamins Heh. Guess I should've thought of that earlier. 18:03 jcamins Thanks. 18:04 * jcamins has only had two cups of tea today. 18:04 Guillaume Koha interest in BDIC ? 18:04 jcamins Nope. 18:04 Guillaume Great news ! 18:04 druthb /me makes jcamins another cup of tea. 18:04 druthb wait...why didn't.. *boggle* 18:04 Guillaume :'( 18:04 * druthb tries again. 18:04 druthb hm. 18:04 jcamins I'm writing about a book that BDIC owns a copy of, and I wanted to make sure I was listing the right library. 18:04 Guillaume ok 18:05 Guillaume No more french needed here ? 18:05 jcamins Guillaume: no, you can go home now. :) 18:05 Guillaume Ah, cool ! 18:05 Guillaume So long 18:07 sekjal lunch time! 18:13 * chris_n wonders if Quiznos realizes that cookies are always free on the internet 18:14 jcamins lol 18:25 drojf jcamins: another zebra question if you don't mind. i need 18:25 drojf melm 653$a ln-class:w,ln-class:s 18:25 drojf in record.abs. there is already 18:25 drojf melm 653 Subject,Subject:p 18:25 drojf if i understand the wiki correctly i have to use 18:25 drojf melm 653$a ln-class:w,ln-class:s,Subject,Subject:p 18:25 drojf so i don't screw up the following 653 "Subject" indexing, is that correct? 18:25 jcamins Right. 18:25 drojf woohoo 18:26 drojf thanks 18:26 jcamins But that addition has to go before the melm 653. 18:26 drojf yes 18:26 drojf before i knew zebra i thought marc21 was crazy 18:27 drojf but i will get it eventually 18:28 jcamins lol 18:40 cait drojf++ :) 18:40 cait and hi! 18:40 drojf hi cait 18:40 drojf can you see again? :) 18:40 cait yep 18:40 drojf hooray 18:40 cait :) 18:41 cait no longer grumpy ;) 18:42 drojf that's good :) 18:44 drojf does lex:n strictly mean "numeric value" in the sense of "digits"? 18:50 jcamins drojf: in principle. 18:54 cait @ 18:54 drojf i was wondering because i thought that it worked for me when i tried it some time ago. our lexile numbers are something like "A1", "A2" etc. and not strictly numeric. but it turns out that in my older file it is "melm 521$a lex,lex:n" and in master "lex" is missing and only "melm 521$a lex:n" is left so either i added that here when i was fiddling around with it (i doubt that) or somebody else deleted it. 18:54 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:54 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -11.5�C (7:49 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1033.7 hPa (Falling). 18:57 cait brr 19:01 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 19:01 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -11.0�C (7:42 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.72 in 1040.2 hPa (Steady). 19:03 cait I win 19:03 cait :( 19:03 drojf right ;) 19:04 drojf maybe i dont have to go for a walk… 19:04 cait heh 19:04 cait why would you want to do that? 19:04 cait it's cold and it's dark 19:04 cait perfect conditions to hide inside 19:05 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks 19:05 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 9.1�C (1:04 PM CST on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Falling). 19:06 wizzyrea crazy weather. 19:06 jcamins @wunder 07649 19:06 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Oradell, New Jersey is 10.7�C (2:01 PM EST on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Falling). 19:06 jcamins You want crazy? _That_ is crazy. 19:06 wizzyrea yea, that's pretty crazy 19:06 jcamins Last night it was well below freezing. 19:07 tcohen bye #koha 19:07 cait bye tcohen 19:07 drojf cait: because i spent all day sitting in front of my computer. i heard oxygen and some activity is good ;) 19:08 cait hmm rumors 19:08 drojf heh 19:31 jcamins sekjal: if you ever get a hankering to hunt down memory leaks in the core of C4, you could write a script to slurp an entire database using opac-export.pl under mod_perl+NYTProf. 19:31 jcamins :D 19:32 sekjal jcamins: sounds like fu 19:32 sekjal ~fun 19:32 sekjal though there might be a bit of fu involved 19:32 * jcamins hasn't tried it, but it seems like a better initial test than opac-detail. 19:33 sekjal I'm pretty sure I could set up NYT::Prof in the Apache conf 19:33 sekjal so EVERYTHING runs under it, and reports are generated as appropriate 19:33 jcamins Makes sense to me. 19:33 jcamins Just make sure you have a lot of disk space on /var 19:34 jcamins You should put the instructions for doing that on the wiki. 19:34 sekjal though getting the output converted to HTML reports with unique names would be mildly tricky 19:34 sekjal I was actually just thinking of writing up a guide on how to do NYT::Prof profiling, and have the reports appear on a web-accessible directory automatically 19:34 jcamins I'd leave that running on my VM all the time. 19:35 jcamins Whenever I'm bored take a look at the cumulative report. 19:35 sekjal I just ran Koha's OPAC main page through a WCAG accessibility validator (since I just installed one locally) 19:35 sekjal did VERY well 19:35 * jcamins doesn't know what that means, but it sounds cool. 19:35 sekjal only one small change to make 19:36 jcamins Ah. 19:36 jcamins accessibility++ 19:36 sekjal jcamins: HTML coding for the blind/visually impaired 19:36 sekjal WCAG 2.0 AA is an international standard (one of several) 19:36 sekjal an out-of-the-box Koha OPAC main page only has one failure on that test, and it's very easy to fix 19:37 sekjal of course, if you use the opacheader, OpacNav, opaccredits, etc, you can quickly lose validity 19:37 sekjal but that's not Koha's problem :) 19:37 * jcamins wonders how badly he destroyed accessibility with his new layout. 19:37 cait pretty much i think :P 19:38 sekjal run it through this: http://achecker.ca/checker/index.php 19:38 oleonard Next we'll build in a validator so that you can't make invalid or inaccessible customizations 19:38 * jcamins is doing so. 19:38 jcamins Yeah, pretty much ruined. 19:39 jcamins Wait, no. Good news! The problem is the a:hover color. 19:39 jcamins I can change that. :D 19:40 sekjal jcamins: yeah, all the reported issues look very fixable 19:42 jcamins sekjal: I am totally blaming you when Shari asks why I'm restyling my OPAC. 19:42 sekjal oleonard: if we wrapped the user-editable HTML parts in TinyMCE, there is a validator plugin for it 19:43 sekjal jcamins: :) 19:53 jcamins We should get rid of the extra <i>s in the cart icon. 19:53 cait brb 19:56 drojf jcamins: i was just wondering what reason there would be to have <i></i><span><i></i><span></span>Lists </span> after i checked our test install ;) 19:56 jcamins drojf: I have no idea. 19:57 jcamins It seems wasteful, though, doesn't it? 19:57 drojf kind of, yes 19:57 oleonard The extra markup is necessary to style the buttons the way they are 19:58 oleonard Now that CSS3 is better supported we can probably get rid of it. 19:58 jcamins oleonard: oh, in that case, never mind. 19:58 drojf ah ok 19:58 * jcamins didn't realize they served any purpose. 19:58 oleonard http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=217 19:58 * drojf neither 20:00 * oleonard realizes the link to the original technique quoted in that post is redirected now 20:01 * jcamins decided he didn't care about older browsers and is just using border-radius. 20:02 * drojf thinks that's a good idea 20:03 drojf people using ie6 should not see anything on the internet but a warning that they won't be able to see anything on the internet 20:04 oleonard And don't forget background-gradient. That's required too if you want the same effect. 20:04 oleonard ...which we've now switched to. 20:04 oleonard ...anyway. 20:05 jcamins oleonard: I don't like gradients, apparently. 20:06 jcamins I think I successfully removed every single gradient from my OPAC. 20:06 oleonard :P 20:06 drojf lol 20:06 cait back 20:06 jcamins A much harder task than you would expect. 20:06 jcamins Especially for IE and Firefox. 20:07 oleonard Because of default browser styles? 20:07 sekjal thanks to a years worth of Google Analytics data, I can justify to my library dropping support for IE6 on our website 20:07 jcamins (where -whatever-: something seemingly *always* overrides -whatever-: 0) 20:07 sekjal less than .2% of traffic 20:07 jcamins Woohoo! 20:08 drojf still frightening though 20:09 * jcamins was thinking of testing his website in Netscape Navigator. 20:09 * drojf goes out for a walk. 9pm, -12°, yeah 20:11 oleonard Careful jcamins, Netscape hijacks every kind of file type it can find related to browsing. 20:12 sekjal what would be really fun is to write a mobile staff client webapp for Koha in HTML5/CSS3/JQuery 20:12 jcamins oleonard: what do you mean? 20:12 sekjal something that ties into the phone's camera for barcode scanning 20:12 oleonard jcamins: I mean assigning HTML file types to itself, etc. 20:12 jcamins oleonard: ah. 20:12 jcamins Yikes. 20:12 jcamins I will use a separate VM. 20:13 jcamins Well, I guess I'd have to, anyway... it probably won't run on a modern OS. 20:13 jcamins There's a Netscape *9*? 20:13 jcamins The last version I used was 4.something. 20:14 jcamins sekjal: doesn't Catalyst have a start on that? 20:14 sekjal jcamins: they have produced an Android client for Koha 20:14 jcamins Oh, that isn't a webapp? 20:14 jcamins I didn't realize that. 20:15 sekjal at this time, it only does search and possibly places holds 20:16 wizzyrea fredpierre had a mobile interface 20:16 sekjal I think having a staff client app where you can do inventory and rebarcoding in the stacks would be aces 20:16 wizzyrea ^^ that would be super cool 20:16 jcamins Yes, that would be very cool. 20:17 druthb "The amazing thing is not how well the bear waltzes, but that the bear waltzes at all." catalyst++ 20:20 cait ẞ 20:20 cait ? 20:23 * sekjal just found his library's trial subscription to Safari Tech Books Online 20:23 wizzyrea oooooo 20:24 sekjal best title so far: The Cult of LEGO 20:24 jcamins Lucky you. 20:24 * jcamins remembers that Shari's university may have Safari. 20:24 jcamins :D 20:25 jcamins Alas, no. 20:26 sekjal Koha 3 Library Management System is in here, too 20:27 jcamins You can learn how to use Koha! 20:29 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6943: Added ability to duplicate a budget tree (from the edit sub menu) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=deeefdeaec59ae2f041f78de221e950aa6c0cbdc> / Bug 6490 - Lost and paid not updated when book is checked out. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58c62f69c1cabf31840006531338f9362f0a1e0e> / Bug 7466 - Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when b 20:30 jcamins Time to head home. Early, today. 20:30 jcamins I'll be back from Oradell. 20:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #616 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #612 3 j 23 h ago) 20:32 wizzyrea oradell sounds like a 3rd rate elvish city. 20:32 wizzyrea or something elves use when their teeth hurt. 20:32 wizzyrea or a tiny computer for your mouth. 20:40 * druthb squees and waves at Space_Librarian 20:41 * Space_Librarian does a happy dance when she sees druthb 20:41 Space_Librarian Good morning/evening! :) 20:41 Space_Librarian @wunder wellington, nz 20:41 huginn` Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 20:50 cait wizzyrea: lol 20:53 cait night 21:06 wizzyrea chris_n: about? 21:07 wizzyrea @later tell chris_n will you be pulling bug 7160 into stable? 21:07 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 21:10 drojf brr 21:12 * Space_Librarian waves at wizzyrea 21:14 wizzyrea heya :) 21:15 Space_Librarian hello! :) 21:16 jcamins_away bug 7160 21:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7160 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , paying fines throws error 21:16 jcamins_away Ah. 21:16 oleonard See ya #koha 21:17 jcamins_away wizzyrea, now I will think that to 21:17 wizzyrea hehe 21:18 chris_n wizzyrea: yup 21:18 wizzyrea cool beans. 21:18 chris_n can't have that 21:18 chris_n going on 21:18 wizzyrea i assumed it would 21:19 wizzyrea but i was also compelled to ask 21:20 Space_Librarian Just throwing a quick question out there - was the 3.6 manual ever pdf'ed? Am I going crazy thinking it was? 21:20 schuster ok so I did a stupid thing in my git and am not sure how to fix it! I copied a file over an existing Koha file by accident. What is the best way to get the file from the git repo again to add the changes I was "fixing"? 21:21 wizzyrea git checkout file 21:21 wizzyrea more specifically, 21:21 wizzyrea git checkout path/to/your/file 21:22 schuster That will then get a copy from the repo? and replace the one I botched? 21:22 schuster I'm in a branch called test... 21:22 wizzyrea that will reset your changes 21:23 drojf Space_Librarian: haven't seen it as a PDF 21:23 wizzyrea on that one file 21:23 schuster Ah whew... 21:23 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: it probably is 21:23 Space_Librarian drojf maybe it was talk a wee while ago. I can't find it as a PDF... Will have to pull one together myself, methinks. 21:24 wizzyrea they were being generated automatically, last I heard 21:24 wizzyrea but I can't find them. 21:24 Space_Librarian so not just me then? 21:24 wizzyrea nope, not just you 21:24 wizzyrea re: the pdf 21:24 wizzyrea it should not be too difficult 21:25 Space_Librarian shouldn't be, I just have to try get it all in one go. 21:25 wizzyrea what you might do 21:25 wizzyrea would be to clone the documentation repo 21:25 wizzyrea and then... one min. 21:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #616: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/616/ 21:26 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7453: All patrons should have an expiry date 21:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7466 - Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when button isn't 21:26 jenkins_koha * kyle.m.hall: Bug 6490 - Lost and paid not updated when book is checked out. 21:26 jenkins_koha * chrish: Bug 6943: Added ability to duplicate a budget tree (from the edit sub menu) 21:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7453 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Borrower without expiry date breaks opac login 21:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7466 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when button is offscreen 21:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6490 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Lost and paid not updated when book is checked out without check-in 21:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6943 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, Pushed to Master , Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget 21:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #617 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #612 4 j 0 h ago) 21:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Error in records.abs for marc21/biblios <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1e47b9359a77b6812173b7b23934bbc154a88e4> / Bug 7127 - Follow-up - Templates must be valid XHTML <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1ebabf3ec488bc742b6926a64b758f7f6912989> / Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=311dbc8bc 21:39 eythian hi 21:41 Space_Librarian morning eythian 21:41 eythian how's it going? 21:42 Space_Librarian er... 21:43 eythian like that eh? :) 21:47 Space_Librarian I'm trying to find the words and failing. 21:47 Space_Librarian bbiab 21:48 eythian gone to find words? Maybe they're in the stationery cupboard. 21:48 eythian oh, too slow 22:06 sekjal night, #koha! 22:16 schuster wizzyrea after I stashed how do I get those back out of stash? 22:17 eythian schuster: git stash apply 22:17 schuster Ah thanks! 22:17 schuster The book I have doesn't talk about stash! 22:17 schuster by all 22:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #617: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/617/ 22:20 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML 22:20 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7127 - Follow-up - Templates must be valid XHTML 22:20 jenkins_koha * januszop: Error in records.abs for marc21/biblios 22:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7127 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Templates must be valid XHTML 23:15 * jcamins_away ponders cookie baking.