Time  Nick         Message
22:55 huginn`      chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 14.1�C (5:50 PM EST on February 04, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Steady).
22:55 chris_n      @wunder 28334
20:41 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -11.3�C (9:40 PM CET on February 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036.1 hPa (Steady).
20:41 cait         @wunder Konstanz
19:38 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -11.2�C (8:34 PM CET on February 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036.1 hPa (Falling).
19:38 cait         @wunder Konstanz
15:55 libsysguy    similar to mobile tools
15:55 * libsysguy  ponders the idea of a drupal module that switches the theme based on browser
15:52 cait         been there, done that, want to stay away
15:52 cait         what libsysguy said...
15:50 libsysguy    scumbag IE
15:50 libsysguy    thats probably the most frustrating part…you get it working in all the "other" browsers then try and fix it in IE, and break all the other browsers
15:50 jcamins      No "other" about it.
15:50 jcamins      Well, every intelligent browser.
15:49 libsysguy    haha
15:49 jcamins      Well, I'll fiddle with IE more after I've gotten it looking nice in every other intelligent browser.
15:49 libsysguy    c.r.a.p.
15:49 jcamins      No luck.
15:48 jcamins      Hm.
15:48 libsysguy    like a reset...
15:48 libsysguy    can you do a background:none; then background:black;?
15:47 libsysguy    0_0
15:47 jcamins      Right.
15:47 libsysguy    so the background:black comes after the gradient and its still applying
15:47 jcamins      No, I'm thinking of adding a gradient because apparently gradients take precedence over non-gradient backgrounds.
15:47 libsysguy    oops
15:47 libsysguy    oh…I thought thats what you were doing
15:46 jcamins      Well, I don't want any gradient at all.
15:46 libsysguy    at least we don't have to support 6 anymore
15:46 libsysguy    hmm…it was 7 that generally had the gradient issues
15:46 jcamins      8.
15:46 jcamins      Maybe I should do a gradient.
15:46 libsysguy    what version?
15:45 jcamins      And apparently order of loading has no relevance to IE.
15:45 libsysguy    ahh
15:45 jcamins      There's an ms-linear-gradient in the stylesheet.
15:45 jcamins      Here's the problem.
15:45 * libsysguy  has battled with IE before
15:45 jcamins      background: black;
15:44 libsysguy    what does your CSS look like to set it?
15:44 jcamins      The background is *black*.
15:44 libsysguy    well IE rarely does anything correctly
15:44 jcamins      This shouldn't be that hard.
15:44 jcamins      It doesn't even do the background properly.
15:44 jcamins      Hm.
15:43 libsysguy    but I don't think it does them there either
15:42 libsysguy    not sure about 9
15:42 libsysguy    in 7 or 8
15:42 libsysguy    it just doesn't do them
15:42 * jcamins    decides to see what it looks like in IE.
15:42 * libsysguy  wishes I didn't have to
15:42 * jcamins    doesn't, really.
15:42 * jcamins    probably should care about IE users.
15:42 * libsysguy  comes back from his…*ehem* morning activities
15:41 libsysguy    then by all means…ROUND ALL THE CORNERS
15:41 libsysguy    unless you don't care about IE users
15:41 libsysguy    noooo don't round the corners with CSS
15:37 cait         I didn't sneak away!
15:37 cait         :)
15:32 * jcamins    considers colors.
15:30 chris_n      that's generally a good attitude to take toward IE
15:29 * jcamins    has decided to not care about IE for right now.
15:28 chris_n      yup, I like the "sculpted" look
15:27 jcamins      chris_n: are you rounding all the corners now, too?
15:25 jcamins      This is tricky.
15:25 jcamins      Hm.
15:21 jcamins      :)
15:20 chris_n      :)
15:20 * chris_n    welcoms jcamins to the club
15:17 * jcamins    watches cait, libsysguy, and drojf1 sneak away quietly.
15:17 jcamins      Bwahahahahaha!!!
15:17 * jcamins    rounds ALL THE CORNERS!!!
15:17 * jcamins    learns about rounded corners in CSS.
15:12 jcamins      Over and over and over.
15:12 jcamins      Yup.
15:12 cait         logout
15:12 cait         heh
15:11 jcamins      While testing CSS.
15:10 jcamins      I've been refreshing this page:
15:10 * jcamins    finally realizes why he keeps on getting logged out.
14:55 jcamins      libsysguy++
14:55 jcamins      Thanks!
14:55 jcamins      Sounds like a good idea. :)
14:55 libsysguy    maybe I should create it and put it there
14:54 jcamins      There should be, though.
14:54 jcamins      Not yet.
14:54 libsysguy    is there a theme secion in the wiki
14:54 jcamins      Thanks. :)
14:54 libsysguy    sorry jcamins
14:53 libsysguy    will do
14:53 jcamins      Please!
14:53 libsysguy    would you like me to?
14:53 jcamins      Ah.
14:53 libsysguy    ohhh no I didn't
14:53 jcamins      No, I thought I recalled you posting it on a wiki somewhere.
14:53 libsysguy    did I hide it?
14:52 jcamins      On catalog.uttyler.edu.
14:52 libsysguy    what CSS and jQuery
14:52 jcamins      You shouldn't have reminded me. :P
14:52 * jcamins    is now thinking about you for two reasons.
14:52 libsysguy    well if you were also thinking about your patch I didn't get a chance to finish
14:52 jcamins      I was just thinking "where did libsysguy put all the CSS and jQuery he did?"
14:51 libsysguy    hehe
14:51 jcamins      I was just thinking of you, actually.
14:51 jcamins      o/
14:51 libsysguy    o/
13:11 cait         feels a lot colder
13:11 cait         so... 2 pieces... and can not be repaired
13:11 jcamins      Yup. That's pretty cold.
13:11 cait         the old frame broke at the nose
13:11 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -7.0�C (2:00 PM CET on February 04, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.56 in 1035 hPa (Falling).
13:11 cait         @wunder Konstanz
13:11 cait         and it's still freezing
13:11 jcamins      :(
13:10 cait         had to pick out new glasses today
13:10 cait         not such a good morning, but better than last night
13:10 cait         hi jcamins :)
13:10 jcamins      Good morning, cait.
10:20 chintu       please help
10:20 chintu       please provide some solution
10:20 chintu       hello sir
10:16 chintu       The library system given below seem to be meant for commercial library purpose –  while Our other client  is intending to cater to departmental needs of technical reference from any where any time.  This would mean books will be converted to PDF – non saving, non printing at client side.  Pl check whether this is similar requirement at MPID as well
10:16 chintu       Could you please do let me know answer of below query regarding KOHA ?
10:16 wahanui      privet, chintu
10:16 chintu       hello
10:14 Pratyush     hello
10:14 Pratyush     hwllo
10:14 Pratyush     The library system given below seem to be meant for commercial library purpose –  while Our other client  is intending to cater to departmental needs of technical reference from any where any time.  This would mean books will be converted to PDF – non saving, non printing at client side.  Pl check whether this is similar requirement at MPID as well.
10:14 Pratyush     Could you please do let me know answer of below query regarding KOHA ?
10:12 Pratyush     please tell me how to attach pdf in koha
10:11 Pratyush     please help me
10:11 wahanui      hola, Pratyush
10:11 Pratyush     hi
06:23 bencahill    hullo
06:22 cait         hi #koha
03:26 bencahill    jcamins: cya
03:26 jcamins      Good night, #koha.
03:26 * jcamins    calls it a night.
03:17 jcamins      That should be plenty.
03:15 bencahill    I think the computer we built here is something like that...and it has three hdd's and a graphics card :P
03:13 jcamins      I would think.
03:12 bencahill    jcamins: I suppuse for something like this, a 400W psu would be plenty, right?
03:08 bencahill    my brother in server/db administration mentioned it last year, said they had tripled in price
03:08 bencahill    yeah, I think due to flooding in japan this past summer/fall
03:07 jcamins      Might be a good idea.
03:07 jcamins      Yikes.
03:07 bencahill    whoa, hdd prices really have skyrocketed, though...got a couple of tb drives last year for $50-60 each, now cheapest 250GB on newegg is $80 o.0 ...may skip the raid :P
03:05 bencahill    actually looking at more like $25 for 4GB ram...and not looking at off-brands, more like crucial,kingston
03:01 bencahill    newegg doesn't really have anything in the way of amd dual-core :-/
03:00 * bencahill  sits on his old athlon64 single-core 1.8, purring along happily :)
03:00 bencahill    jcamins: and nice :)
03:00 bencahill    it seems like the amd cpu's are still cheaper for the same performance...
02:59 jcamins      Amazing, isn't it?
02:58 bencahill    and yeah, stuff is cheap :P
02:58 bencahill    although just looking at parts right now...
02:58 * bencahill  has 6 newegg tabs open currently :P
02:57 jcamins      newegg?
02:55 bencahill    I'll look around and see if I see anything I like
02:55 bencahill    ...not that building is a problem, I quite enjoy it...but yeah, if I could get one prebuilt, that would be faster
02:54 bencahill    hehe
02:54 * jcamins    doesn't even know anymore.
02:54 jcamins      Hm.
02:53 bencahill    jcamins: what companies do stuff like that (without junk like monitor, video card, etc.)?
02:53 jcamins      Right.
02:53 bencahill    jcamins: good point, I hadn't thought of that...would save time :-P
02:52 jcamins      Heck, you could probably get a prebuilt system in that range that would do what you need.
02:52 jcamins      $300-400 seems perfectly reasonable.
02:52 jcamins      That's what I'd do.
02:52 jcamins      Right.
02:50 bencahill    jcamins: yeah, so like a modern athlon or i3 dual-core...
02:50 jcamins      Go with a dual-core system, so that MySQL and Apache each have their own core.
02:50 bencahill    jcamins: okay...(this is for our church, so right now I need to get a ballpark figure for upgrading...I'm thinking 300-400 USD)
02:49 jcamins      bencahill: right, I'd probably just save the money.
02:49 bencahill    jcamins: right, but neither would cores if your application is not multithreaded :-/
02:48 jcamins      I think as ballpark estimates, cpubenchmark.net probably offers value.
02:48 jcamins      I mean, it does, but I think you need really big changes for it to make a difference.
02:48 jcamins      I don't think clock/bus/cache makes that much of a difference, really.
02:48 bencahill    jcamins: do you trust those generally? I like that as well for having a nice spreadsheet :P
02:47 jcamins      Well, according to cpubenchmark.net, the P4 has a score of 304, and the Athlon a score of 1344.
02:46 bencahill    jcamins: oh, so if I was going for more speed on single-user loads, I'd want to get higher clock/bus/cache than cores?
02:45 bencahill    jcamins: how much faster do you think an athlon64 x2 5000+ (dual-core 2.8) would be than a p4 2.5?
02:45 jcamins      (though I suppose MySQL could use one core and Apache the other)
02:45 jcamins      If you only have one request, there's nothing particularly multithreaded.
02:45 jcamins      Since it's CGI, if you have multiple requests at once, they'll run on different cores.
02:45 jcamins      Well, kind of.
02:45 jcamins      I easily run much heavier systems on a VM on my Intel Core 2 Duo laptop.
02:44 jcamins      Just a modern one.
02:44 jcamins      I don't think it even needs to be a *fast* CPU.
02:44 jcamins      Heh.
02:43 bencahill    I'm assuming koha can utilize multi-core processors well?
02:42 bencahill    jcamins: right, so a small raid1, and 4GB of ram, and then spend the rest on a fast cpu?
02:42 bencahill    right now backup sql.gz's are 6.2M
02:42 jcamins      Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You can get 4GB for $50 or something like that. It's a small investment for a great deal of room for expansion.
02:41 bencahill    jcamins: considering ram is pretty cheap though...
02:41 bencahill    jcamins: yeah, that's kinda what I thought :P
02:41 jcamins      Mind you, 4GB would be a heck of a lot better.
02:41 jcamins      Oh, 1GB would actually be enough for that.
02:40 bencahill    ~2k biblios and items
02:40 bencahill    jcamins: as time goes on, more people may use the OPAC, but I doubt it would be any more than 2 or 3 at a time
02:40 jcamins      How many records?
02:40 bencahill    jcamins: only one person at a time in the library, checking in and out books
02:40 jcamins      Depends on the size of your library.
02:40 jcamins      And anticipate.
02:40 bencahill    jcamins: would 4GB of RAM be plenty, or might I want more?
02:39 jcamins      What sort of load do you have?
02:39 jcamins      A modern CPU should fix that.
02:39 bencahill    jcamins_away: yeah, right now pageloads are on the order of 4-8 seconds, mostly 100% cpu
02:39 jcamins_away bencahill: I would think so.
02:38 jcamins_away Usually it's RAM, but P4 2.5 is kinda old.
02:38 bencahill    jcamins_away: so I could probably just get a pair of 250GB 7200RPM drives and put them in a raid1, and that would be plenty for my disk needs?
02:38 bencahill    jcamins_away: my thoughts as well...
02:38 jcamins_away bencahill: faster HDD + RAID would be a good idea, but chances are your bottleneck is CPU and RAM.
02:37 jcamins_away bencahill: CPU and RAM.
02:37 bencahill    hey guys...currently my server is a p4 2.5 with 1GB ram and a 40GB ide drive, running koha with ~2k biblios/items. What should I be looking for upgrading..mainly a fast cpu, or fast hdd (or ssd) raid..etc?