Time  Nick              Message
23:41 huginn`           rangi: The operation succeeded.
23:41 rangi             @later tell paul_p please look at bug 7432
23:38 rangi             we were setting it in the wrong place, everything was being cached forever
23:38 rangi             http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=7426
23:36 rangi             thats a nasty one
23:33 rangi             i will send patches
23:33 rangi             yep thats got it
23:33 wahanui           -583
23:33 rangi             1328225520 - 1328226103
23:30 rangi             solved
23:29 rangi             ah ha!
23:14 rangi             hmmm
23:10 wizzyrea          oooo
23:10 rangi             and you change your framework, changes wont show
23:10 rangi             if you have memcached on
23:10 wizzyrea          lol what problem are you working on
23:09 wizzyrea          and bless em
23:09 wizzyrea          ba dum bum. :)
23:09 rangi             heh
23:09 wizzyrea          this explains catalogers. They have infinite time to be anal.
23:08 rangi             so yeah, the caching of frameworks, its setting an infinite time
23:08 rangi             uptime 756
23:08 rangi             If the timestamp is equal to stats(time - uptime) then the item have got an infinite expiration
23:08 rangi             ah ha
23:07 wizzyrea          pardon?
23:07 wahanui           -756
23:07 rangi             wizzyrea: 1328223203 - 1328223959
22:35 Space_Librarian   hey BobB
22:29 wizzyrea          :)
22:29 rangi             lol
22:29 wizzyrea          not on twitter.
22:29 wizzyrea          wait
22:29 wizzyrea          oh
22:29 wizzyrea          hey what about me!
22:29 rangi             cya fredpierre
22:28 fredpierre        I'm following Guillaume, Jesse,kathryn and mib. Have a great day!
22:26 fredpierre        Bravo!
21:39 jcamins_away      so long.
21:39 jcamins_away      Okay, time to turn into a pumpkin.
21:38 wizzyrea          yippee!
21:38 rangi             at least i got one thing done this week
21:38 rangi             yay
21:38 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #612: FIXED in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/612/
21:38 jenkins_koha      Yippie, build fixed!
21:34 wizzyrea          oy!
21:34 magnus_afk        g'night #koha
21:34 magnus_afk        yikes!
21:33 jcamins_away      The Grolier Club. They use Virtua, I think.
21:33 rangi             yup
21:33 jcamins_away      That's a lot of downtime for a hosted system.
21:33 rangi             what library is that?
21:33 jcamins_away      "The library's online catalog will be unavailable from 1:00 pm on Friday, February 3 until Sunday, February 5 due to a system upgrade."
21:32 jcamins_away      Wow!
21:20 drojf1            i see :)
21:19 rangi             drojf1: by speaking german and a german song coming into my playlist? :-)
21:18 drojf1            rangi: how do i deserve a song? :)
21:17 rangi             drojf1: this one is for you http://soundcloud.com/officialcasperxo/casper-x-cro-nie-auf
21:16 nengard           alone
21:16 nengard           i can't figure out how to save the current webpage i'm on in the stand along version
21:16 jcamins_away      nengard: at least it works, though, right?
21:16 nengard           but it's not as nice
21:16 nengard           i do have it
21:15 jcamins_away      nengard: time for the standalone version, I guess.
21:15 nengard           i can't get zotero to work with FF 10
21:14 rangi             can anyone catch her?
21:14 rangi             5 sign offs in feb already
21:14 rangi             wizzyrea takes an early lead
21:13 Space_Librarian   lol
21:11 jcamins_away      I think so.
21:11 wizzyrea          I think he intentionally waits a few seconds now :)
21:11 rangi             wow 3 ppl got in ;)
21:11 jcamins_away      Bye.
21:11 rangi             cya oleonard
21:11 wizzyrea          byee!
21:11 * oleonard        waves goodbye to #koha
21:09 rangi             http://soundcloud.com/prettylights/we-must-go-on
21:09 rangi             yup
21:08 Space_Librarian   yeah - interesting times.
21:08 Space_Librarian   always fun times.
21:08 rangi             bad timing all round
21:08 rangi             :)
21:08 rangi             including check we actually have a working koha on a laptop
21:07 Space_Librarian   *fingers crossed* Hope she's feeling better.
21:07 rangi             so i have until around 2pm to do all the stuff i was gonna do to get ready for VALA next week
21:07 wizzyrea          getting_well++
21:07 rangi             getting better, 1 kid with my parents, one at school, hopefully laurel out of hospital today
21:07 nengard           OOOO
21:06 Space_Librarian   morning rangi - all fine on the home front?
21:06 wizzyrea          nengard should be pleased :)
21:06 wizzyrea          oooh
21:06 rangi             http://www.zotero.org/blog/zotero-3-0-is-here/ <-- very cool
20:57 jcamins_away      Yeah, RFID for those makes sense.
20:56 chris_n           ie CD/DVD/VHS/etc
20:56 chris_n           some are physical
20:56 jcamins_away      chris_n: right, so RFID wouldn't work for that.
20:56 chris_n           the vast majority are
20:56 jcamins_away      chris_n: but you said they're digital recordings.
20:55 chris_n           I had suggested using RFID to handle circulation
20:55 Brooke            bah, back to the drawing board for me.
20:55 jcamins_away      That's kind of a good idea.
20:55 jcamins_away      Actually...
20:54 chris_n           there's a thought
20:54 jcamins_away      chris_n: have your media server use SIP to record circulations?
20:53 chris_n           but the ability to track specific usage is probably best done as a function of circulation
20:53 chris_n           the mp3 tag "thingy" could simply be a separate app which slurps data from koha's db
20:52 chris_n           using key words, topics, etc
20:51 chris_n           well, with a large audio library of, say, class lectures, using Koha to index and provide search capabilities makes a powerful resource
20:50 * oleonard        hands SevenofNine her official jumpsuit
20:50 chris_n           lol
20:50 cjh               Koha OS ?
20:49 * Brooke          won't be happy until everything is rolled into Koha
20:49 chris_n           plug up your mp3 player to your local koha and "check out" a playlist
20:49 oleonard          Good idea, let's build OpenOffice into Koha so that we can write books as we catalog ;)
20:49 chris_n           imagine
20:49 chris_n           hmm
20:49 Brooke            just don't make it sort and search like my mp3 player ;)
20:49 * chris_n         is trying to keep from having to support a completely separate in-house application
20:47 chris_n           sorta like your mp3 player does
20:47 chris_n           also having koha retrieve mp3 headers for new audio media publicly available would be nice as well
20:47 chris_n           single-point data entry
20:47 Brooke            interessante
20:46 chris_n           so generating mp3 tags from the data entered would be very handy and time reducing
20:46 jcamins_away      chris_n: ah.
20:46 chris_n           jcamins_away: we catalog in-house recordings in Koha
20:45 chris_n           but its about to catch me :)
20:45 jcamins_away      Not sure what the use is, but it sounds cool.
20:45 * chris_n         has been running from this for a looong time
20:45 jcamins_away      That's kind of cool.
20:45 chris_n           we have a huge A/V library and they are wanting me to code up a crosswalk so that Koha can write mp3 tags and such
20:44 chris_n           so... I think I'll have to code up such a feature
20:44 chris_n           no-go
20:44 jenkins_koha      Starting build #612 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 22 h ago)
20:43 chris_n           I've suggested the google doc
20:43 jenkins_koha      rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
20:43 rangi             !jenkins build koha_master now
20:43 chris_n           they write it down
20:43 chris_n           sorry, phone
20:43 chris_n           yes
20:41 oleonard          Google Doc? :P
20:41 jcamins_away      So they ask, and write it down?
20:41 chris_n           right now, its a... paper log... :-/
20:40 jcamins_away      But, how do they know with the notes, either?
20:40 chris_n           that's the problem exactly
20:40 jcamins_away      chris_n: how would they know which class it was for at all?
20:40 chris_n           jcamins_away: that might work except person_a might have used the material for class_a, class_b, etc.
20:39 jcamins_away      What about a report that shows items that have been checked out more than N times in a certain time period by a single person?
20:38 * chris_n         wonders if there would be any larger interest in such a feature
20:38 chris_n           sort of an academic thing
20:38 jcamins_away      So, no, not at all what I was envisioning.
20:38 jcamins_away      Ah.
20:38 chris_n           but more than time/date stamps
20:38 chris_n           so there needs to be a "history" of sorts of usage
20:37 chris_n           this is to be used for the circulation of A/V materials by faculty with a view toward avoiding repeat showings/listenings in too close time proximity
20:37 chris_n           lemme give a usage case and we'll see
20:36 jcamins_away      chris_n: you can't use private notes?
20:36 chris_n           and searchable
20:36 fredpierre        thanks jcamins!
20:36 chris_n           said notes should be entered on checkout
20:35 chris_n           I'm having requests for the capability to track item usage notes
20:35 jcamins_away      It needs to be <<Enter barcode like %90028110%>>
20:35 jcamins_away      Yes, you can't do that.
20:35 fredpierre        Of course I am putting it into the string comparison '%<<Enter partial barcode>>%' maybe that's the problem
20:34 fredpierre        it's when I add the <<Enter partial barcode>> that i run into problems
20:32 fredpierre        guess I had a typo or something...
20:32 * chris_n         likes those sort of problems :)
20:32 fredpierre        Oh, now it is working.
20:31 fredpierre        SELECT biblio.title FROM biblio LEFT JOIN items ON items.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber WHERE items.barcode LIKE '%90028110%' ORDER BY items.location LIMIT 0,10;
20:31 fredpierre        I still can't get this partial barcode search working from custom reports. Any ideas?
20:21 * oleonard        laments that he is more 'Day the Earth Stood Still' Keanu than 'Matrix' Keanu
20:20 * Brooke          pictures Owen as Keanu Reeves.
20:20 oleonard          Whoa.
20:20 wizzyrea          that is nuts.
20:20 huginn`           wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 16.7�C (2:19 PM CST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
20:20 wizzyrea          @wunder lawrence ks
20:20 huginn`           jcamins_away: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 6.1�C (3:02 PM EST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa.
20:20 jcamins_away      @wunder 11375
20:19 cait              and I would trade with you :)
20:19 wahanui           well, friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
20:19 Brooke            wahanui friday?
20:19 * chris_n         would trade with cait
20:19 cait              :)
20:19 wizzyrea          gnite cait
20:19 chris_n           g'night
20:19 wizzyrea          pff that isn't winter
20:19 Brooke            night
20:19 cait              good night #koha
20:19 chris_n           and they call that "winter"
20:19 huginn`           chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 20.0�C (3:15 PM EST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
20:19 chris_n           @wunder 28334
20:19 cait              yeah :(
20:18 oleonard          Brrr.
20:17 huginn`           cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -8.0�C (9:00 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
20:17 cait              @wunder Konstanz
20:14 kathryn           oh yeah! he he bit of schoolboy error there
20:10 oleonard          Right, some of us may still not make it!
20:10 cait              kathryn: still thursday evening here :)
20:09 Space_Librarian   let me know when eythian is in - I need to check something with him. But otherwise all good.
20:09 Space_Librarian   just ironing out wrinkles now.
20:09 kathryn           phew!
20:09 kathryn           hi cait, happy friday!
20:09 Space_Librarian   'tis
20:08 * kathryn         hopes it's a happy wave!
20:08 cait              good morning kathryn :)
20:08 kathryn           and a good morning to all!
20:08 * Space_Librarian waves
20:08 kathryn           Space_Librarian and wizzyrea good morning!
20:08 Brooke            morena, madame
20:07 wizzyrea          that should help explain
20:07 wizzyrea          fredpierre: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/reports.html#customreport
20:07 wizzyrea          hi kathryn :)
20:07 Space_Librarian   morning Brooke
20:07 Space_Librarian   Morning kathryn
20:06 jcamins_away      I think.
20:06 Brooke            hi Kathryn
20:06 wizzyrea          and quotes
20:06 jcamins_away      fredpierre: it adds spaces.
20:06 wizzyrea          LIKE <<Enter barcode, example: %partial%>>
20:06 fredpierre        I am pasting it into the Koha interface under Reports tool
20:06 fredpierre        For partial barcode search - it works when I use SQLYog
20:05 fredpierre        SELECT * FROM biblio a INNER JOIN items b ON b.biblionumber = a.biblionumber AND b.barcode LIKE '%<<Enter barcode>>%' ORDER BY b.location LIMIT 0,10;
20:05 fredpierre        Can anybody tell me why this is not working when I paste it into SQL reports?
20:04 * Space_Librarian waves to cait  and wizzyrea
20:04 cait              morning Space_Librarian
20:04 wizzyrea          hi!
20:03 Space_Librarian   morning #koha
20:00 wizzyrea          mhm
19:59 * oleonard        did not in fact just stagger in from a three-martini lunch
19:59 oleonard          Whoops, forgot to /back
19:48 wizzyrea          ...that I should add.
19:48 wizzyrea          which makes me think of a FAQ
19:47 fredpierre        Thanks!
19:47 wizzyrea          should do it
19:47 wizzyrea          <<Enter barcode>>
19:47 wizzyrea          sure
19:47 fredpierre        I know we can input to the reports generator using code like <<input | authority>> but could we input a barcode?
19:45 fredpierre        SELECT * FROM biblio a INNER JOIN items b WHERE b.biblionumber = a.biblionumber AND b.barcode LIKE '%9002811064%';
19:26 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7494 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Use partial barcode or callnumber as a fallback for the barcode search in checkout
19:26 slef              Bug 7494 Submitted
19:23 wahanui           ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
19:23 huginn`           wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:23 wahanui           @quote get 123
19:23 slef              123 thing?
19:23 slef              123 thing is <reply> @quote get 123
19:22 huginn`           jcamins_away: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:22 jcamins_away      @quote get 123
19:22 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1081 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW , Checkout should fall back on patron card search if item barcode not found
19:22 jcamins_away      bug 1081
19:22 slef              123 thing?
19:22 cait              another 123 thing
19:22 jcamins_away      cait: oh, that might be it.
19:22 cait              not sure about chekcing out without item barcodes
19:22 cait              I think he did some work on checking out withoug cardnumbers
19:21 cait              hm
19:21 wahanui           logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/
19:21 slef              logs?
19:21 slef              jcamins_away: ooh any idea where?
19:19 jcamins_away      I think he did recently.
19:19 jcamins_away      slef: wait, didn't eythian do a patch for this?
19:18 nengard           the way it would have to work in Koha is that you can search by title on the checkout page and then maybe Koha lets you enter a barcode for that item before you check it out - cause barcode is required for checking out
19:13 jcamins_away      That makes sense.
19:13 jcamins_away      Got it.
19:13 slef              can we have this, if not can we have that
19:12 slef              oh I think it was either/or
19:12 jcamins_away      (using both)
19:12 jcamins_away      Okay, that seems a bit excessive.
19:12 slef              this library asked for title as another fallback!
19:11 jcamins_away      slef: it's usually done by historic libraries.
19:10 nengard           I have had libraries ask to be able to do it by title though
19:10 nengard           if so - no
19:10 nengard           slef is the shelfmark the call number?
19:09 jcamins_away      Since the alternative is generally paying to have the feature developed, most libraries decide to do that.
19:08 jcamins_away      I usually just push for putting the shelfmark in the barcode field, and assign new shelfmarks to duplicates.
19:08 oleonard-away     What is it with people and video tutorials? I would much rather read instructions.
19:08 jcamins_away      slef: not enough toits. ;)
19:07 slef              or just lack of time?
19:07 slef              jcamins_away: so any reason it's not in koha yet?
19:07 jcamins_away      slef: that's very common, actualy.
19:07 jcamins_away      slef: I have.
19:07 jcamins_away      [off] 'Cause we all *totally* have time to do a video tutorial outlining the Koha installation.
19:07 slef              nengard: you ever seen a library wanting to checkout by shelfmark?
18:57 nengard           howdy
18:57 slef              hi nengard!
18:53 wahanui           marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html
18:53 slef              marc21?
18:49 slef              living with the legacy! yeah, rock on!
18:49 huginn`           magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
18:49 magnuse           @quote get 123
18:48 jcamins_away      Oh, I love libraries like that.
18:48 cait              yes
18:48 slef              barcodes must be unique, musn't they?
18:47 cait              or use the nice new fast add feature :)
18:47 slef              multiple copies of some
18:47 cait              why not just move the shelf marks into the barcode fields?
18:47 slef              enteredBarcode% or shelfmark or title-stem
18:47 cait              fall back on th eshelf mark?
18:47 cait              ah
18:47 slef              and only checkout if it uniquely identifies the book
18:47 * jcamins_away    looks in to see if he's missed anything.
18:47 cait              and what would you fall back on?
18:46 cait              hm
18:46 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1081 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW , Checkout should fall back on patron card search if item barcode not found
18:46 slef              the other option is to provide it as a fallback search like in bug 1081
18:46 slef              they are where they are... many books, shelfmarks labelled on them but not barcoded
18:45 cait              what's so bad about having barcodes?
18:44 slef              they claim not to care tracking copies between circulations (I know I know)
18:44 slef              they have the book in front of them
18:43 cait              or have a book to checkout on the desk at all
18:43 cait              and have the right item...
18:43 cait              well... no check then that you are really on the right page
18:43 cait              ah
18:43 cait              slef: a checkout button sounds dangerous to me
18:43 slef              cait: books without barcodes *sigh*
18:42 wahanui           magnuse: I forgot use case
18:42 magnuse           wahanui: forget the use case
18:42 cait              not sure I understand
18:42 wahanui           somebody said the use case was multiple callnumbers sequences (implemented in table) which should trigger increment on save to prevent gaps in ranges
18:42 cait              what is the use case?
18:40 slef              I think it needs some intense refactoring in circ/circulation.pl though.
18:39 slef              what would people think to a checkout button under where it says "Available" on the item table in catalogue/detail.pl ?
18:39 magnuse           slef: that's epic!
18:37 slef              http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/11/welsh-road-sign/
18:35 magnuse           that would be too easy!
18:34 cait              and I can even think of some good reasons for that
18:33 cait              magnuse: I would think you could just have a staff and a normal account
18:33 cait              lol
18:30 * magnuse         grumbles about staff who want to have it all...
18:29 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6922 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , staff should be able to have children
18:29 slef              bug 6922
18:28 slef              wrong
18:28 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=922 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, koha.upgrade produces password error when upgrading MARC tables
18:28 slef              I love the title on bug 922
18:25 jenkins_koha      srdjan: bug_7190: Do not reverse writeoffs when item is returned
18:25 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #611: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/611/
18:10 chris_n           that's getting there :)
18:10 slef              chris_n: dirty rats?
18:08 oleonard          Needs some sample biblio data eh?
18:07 wizzyrea          for that particular bug.
18:07 wizzyrea          catalogue.test5.biblibre.com
18:06 wizzyrea          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
18:04 wizzyrea          http://pro.test5.biblibre.com/ test:test
18:04 wizzyrea          sec
18:04 wizzyrea          yea
18:03 oleonard          tester thingie?
18:01 wizzyrea          paul_p++ that tester thingie is neato
17:59 huginn`           oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 7.0�C (12:50 PM EST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady).
17:59 oleonard          @wunder 45701
17:59 chris_n           and I have my opinion of rodents
17:58 collum            That's what I was about to say.
17:58 * chris_n         has yet to see winter in the USA
17:57 slef              the USA will have 6 more weeks of winter. A rodent told them.
17:53 cait              same here
17:53 drojf1            "hot"
17:53 cait              yeah
17:52 drojf1            i like winter. in general. but after the hot christmas last year i was already in spring mood :(
17:51 drojf1            i actually ordered a buff after that walk and it just arrived
17:51 cait              winter has arrived finally
17:50 * cait            nods
17:50 drojf1            yeah, we had windchill around that here the last days. i took a walk for half an hour a few days ago and my face almost fell off afterwards. no fun
17:47 magnuse           drojf1: the windchill makes it colder than it looks...
17:47 drojf1            *again
17:47 cait              apart from that it should be no problem I think
17:47 drojf1            so i never have to do them egain
17:47 drojf1            and really learn git
17:47 drojf1            and redo our changes in tt
17:46 drojf1            i dont even remember what version is on my test install. have to upgrade before the import
17:46 cait              so many good reasons to love koha :)
17:46 drojf1            cait: that's good to hear
17:46 cait              :)
17:46 drojf1            magnuse: bodø is warmer than i remember it :D
17:45 cait              all we got so far was: yes, turn that feature on plz! and 'we love the new fast add workflow!'
17:45 cait              totally smooth
17:45 cait              ouch
17:45 drojf1            how did the upgrade go?
17:45 drojf1            great! major step forward yesterday. after ~13h of work, until 1:30 in the morning :D
17:45 magnuse           windchill--
17:44 huginn`           magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (6:20 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa (Steady).
17:44 magnuse           @wunder boo
17:44 cait              how is your import script doing?
17:44 cait              I am still thawing from my walk home
17:43 drojf1            nice weather you got there ;)
17:43 drojf1            hi cait :)
17:43 cait              hi drojf1 :)
17:43 drojf1            kde says -8° though
17:42 drojf1            omg its warmer :)
17:42 huginn`           drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -6.6�C (6:13 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037.1 hPa (Steady).
17:42 drojf1            @wunder berlin, germany
17:41 huginn`           cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.8�C (6:39 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Steady).
17:41 cait              @wunder Konstanz
17:37 huginn`           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7190' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dc85214be45b760e62b95169f67068f213e2d68> / bug_7190: Do not reverse writeoffs when item is returned <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b092f0e2784c3ea82f48fe8a6660d54a3fe6119>
17:31 jenkins_koha      Starting build #611 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 19 h ago)
17:28 * collum          was on the phone.  Not suffix, prefix.  Doh!  The prefix for borrower barcode and item barcode is defined in the admin parameters.
17:28 paul_p            time to leave for me...
17:28 hdl               http://sourceforge.net/projects/koha-plus/
17:27 hdl               koha extra reminds me of kohaplus...
17:25 wizzyrea          oh sheesh. no where near as great as most of you, but thank you
17:25 cait              we should tell you more often
17:25 cait              you are great :)
17:25 cait              wizzyrea++
17:24 wizzyrea          will do right after this one I'm doing right now
17:24 wizzyrea          ooo
17:22 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , It would be nice if "Add to Cart" changed to "Remove from Cart"
17:22 oleonard          wizzyrea: If you love test plans then try Bug 3215
17:20 cait              hi #koha
17:19 slef              collum: that might explain how they've got away without fixing the barcode workflow long enough for their collection to get so big.
17:17 collum            NP
17:16 wizzyrea          makes it soooo easy
17:16 wizzyrea          collum: love those test plans <3
17:16 fredpierre        order by items.location , items.itemcallnumber limit 0,100";
17:16 fredpierre        where items.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber and items.barcode LIKE '%".$barcode."%'
17:16 fredpierre        $query = "select * from biblio, items
17:15 collum            Thanks for signing them off. :-)
17:15 wizzyrea          collum: I've been enjoying signing off on your patches :)
17:15 collum            All of our barcodes start with the same 5 numbers, have padded 0s, and then a unique identifier.
17:14 collum            Partial barcodes are done with a barcode suffix.
17:14 collum            Checkout being one of them.
17:13 collum            for a list of options in which to send the barcode.
17:13 fredpierre        oops sorry its actually the kohabarcode.php script that does it
17:13 collum            When you are at a bib in Horizon you can press F10
17:13 collum            The checkout functionality and partial barcodes sound like a library that came over from Horizon.
17:12 fredpierre        It's the kohabib.php - could be translated to create a custom report?
17:12 fredpierre        http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohastowextras/
17:11 fredpierre        there has to be a way to do this using our custom reports function, then add it in as a tool for circ
17:09 fredpierre        that's true - we actually run it on a separate server, but could run on the koha server
17:09 slef              ah right... php won't integrate easily
17:08 fredpierre        by title, author, or isbn number
17:08 fredpierre        the specific kohaextra script we use is kohabib.php - does a biblio search
17:08 slef              ok sorry where on sourceforge?
17:07 slef              thank you fredpierre
17:07 slef              :)
17:07 wahanui           kohaextras are up on sourceforge as an addition to koha - you have to create links to the various functions
17:07 slef              kohaextras?
17:07 fredpierre        kohaextras are up on sourceforge as an addition to koha - you have to create links to the various functions
17:07 slef              oic
17:06 oleonard          what I mean is that if you wanted a link on the search results page that said "check out to this patron" like there is "hold for this patron" you'd have a problem
17:06 fredpierre        you could hold it, but it won't come up in checkout if you don't scan it
17:06 slef              kohaextras?
17:06 fredpierre        otherwise you would have to copy the barcode over hmmm
17:06 slef              oleonard: I thought you could hold a particular item?
17:05 oleonard          Whether it's the basket or the search to hold the problem is still that it's biblio-level
17:05 fredpierre        we do a partial barcode search - I think it is kohaextras
17:04 slef              but then the button would need a label of "Hold/Checkout" which may also be cumbersome
17:04 slef              a checkout-now button on koha/reserve/request.pl might work
17:03 wizzyrea          at least on the staff side, not so much on the opac.
17:03 wizzyrea          that kind of makes sense to me
17:03 wizzyrea          could the cart be modified to hold items?
17:02 slef              so that's probably a non-starter
17:02 slef              but of course, the cart holds biblios not items
17:02 slef              the other way I was just looking was if I could check out the cart
17:02 slef              similar to hold I think
17:02 slef              it depends if they want a particular item, or just any
17:01 oleonard          ..although "Search to hold or check out" is a little cumbersome :|
17:01 oleonard          Right, you could try to lump those two functions together somehow
17:01 wizzyrea          already knows it
17:00 wizzyrea          one thing that is cool, owen's search to hold thing already has the last borrower
17:00 wizzyrea          well it would have to be per item, right?
17:00 slef              so what would we prefer: a button alongside place hold, or on the item detail screen, or something else?
16:59 wizzyrea          I definitely can see usefulness for that feature
16:59 * magnuse         was looking for that the other day too
16:58 wizzyrea          I don't think that there is a way to do that
16:58 oleonard          You're right slef, there's not a way to do that
16:58 slef              I can place hold but not checkout.
16:57 slef              I really can't see how to go from a search result to a checkout. Am I being dense?
16:56 wizzyrea          oic
16:56 slef              Joys of libraries originally set up by volunteers.
16:55 wizzyrea          Ahhh
16:55 slef              I think part of their stock has shelfmark barcodes instead of callnumbers.
16:55 wizzyrea          "somewhere in the middle there was a 234"
16:55 wizzyrea          "I remember it had a 1 at the end?"
16:55 wizzyrea          what situation are we trying to accommodate for/
16:54 slef              oleonard: that would be one way, yes
16:54 oleonard          Load a list of matches and let you choose?
16:54 slef              I think that would be equivalent to going from "Search the catalogue" to checking out an item from that screen.
16:54 oleonard          How would it do that?
16:54 slef              Ooh this is a fun question. Can Koha checkout by partial barcode?
16:47 slef              and back to books http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/epic-win-photos-win-serving-all-customers-win.jpg
16:44 trea              point taken
16:44 trea              lol
16:44 slef              trea: well, I know what kung fu means and that didn't stop you ;)
16:44 trea              suffice to say they are at polar ends of the spectrum
16:44 trea              i know what the terms mean slef
16:44 slef              trea: yeah, now look up what snafu and fubar translate as... I prefer English acronyms over foreign language islands in English but maybe that's just how my brain works and no-one else will think it is a bad thing.
16:40 fredpierre        I have used FreeMind for project organization - don't know if it would apply here - it makes very cool flowcharts.
16:39 trea              :P
16:39 trea              thanks wikipedia
16:39 trea              The term t'ai chi ch'uan translates as "supreme ultimate fist", "boundless fist", "great extremes boxing", or simply "the ultimate".
16:39 oleonard          slow motion dancing in the park.
16:38 fredpierre        what does Tai Chi mean?
16:38 fredpierre        trea++!
16:38 trea              that's my non sequitur for the day. enjoy.
16:37 wizzyrea          fredpierre: I'm sure it did :)
16:37 fredpierre        Hope I got it all up there
16:37 fredpierre        I did manage to post my repository of koha mobile to gitorious - http://gitorious.org/koha-mobile-web#more
16:37 trea              just saying
16:36 trea              fyi slef kungfu literally translates as "human achievement" so in this context it's entirely appropriate - the term itself doesn't imply a martial context.
16:36 wizzyrea          also fredpierre I was going to have a look at your mobile stuff today - or maybe tomorrow
16:36 fredpierre        thanks - I will look at that! :)
16:36 wahanui           git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
16:36 wizzyrea          git bz?
16:36 wahanui           i guess version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
16:36 wizzyrea          version control using git?
16:36 wizzyrea          fredpierre: did you see our lovely git info?
16:35 paul_p            maybe git_faq is the best
16:35 fredpierre        always worried a pull might destroy my development/production build
16:35 paul_p            or git_faq ...
16:35 fredpierre        i would benefit a lot from more git info - im reading pro git
16:35 paul_p            will go for git_howto unless someone object
16:34 paul_p            git_QA ?
16:34 paul_p            maybe a git_howto then ?
16:34 paul_p            that's not a workflow, that's a how to avoid doint commits that does not compile !
16:34 fredpierre        then you get the flowcharts built in
16:34 fredpierre        another approach might be a mind-mapping interface
16:33 fredpierre        i worked with project open for a while - the interface allows you to create teams for projects, with timelines and flowcharts
16:33 wizzyrea          hehe slef, you're probably right
16:33 wizzyrea          or "common workflows"
16:33 paul_p            we have http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git, maybe a chapter about "git tip & tricks" ?
16:33 slef              I suspect the other sort is about as common with git ;-)
16:32 wizzyrea          not this particular usage, no
16:32 slef              as in fubar, snafu, ...
16:32 slef              errr that isn't what fu often means
16:32 wizzyrea          i suspect it would be funnier to people who had an interest in chinese martial arts films.
16:31 wizzyrea          hdl: it's a funny
16:31 wizzyrea          fred - elaborate
16:31 hdl               wizzyrea: ?
16:30 huginn`           wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #186 added.
16:30 wizzyrea          @quote add trea: git-fu --tiger style /whooosh
16:30 fredpierre        like project open or
16:30 fredpierre        what about a project management interface
16:30 trea              git -fu - tiger style! /whooosh
16:30 wizzyrea          isn't that always the hardest part for new people though?
16:30 wizzyrea          ya
16:30 hdl               where ppl could share vim templates.
16:29 hdl               Dev environment...
16:29 hdl               mmm... this should be in developer's corner.
16:29 wizzyrea          only with git
16:29 wizzyrea          like kung fu
16:29 wizzyrea          where xxx is release manager, developer, tester
16:29 wizzyrea          I'm a XXX - I do it this way:
16:29 paul_p            git-fu ?
16:28 wizzyrea          to share varying types of workflows
16:28 wizzyrea          we should start a "git-fu" wiki page
16:28 paul_p            (mail to koha-devel on the way ;-) )
16:28 paul_p            did I say I LOVE git ?
16:28 paul_p            Patch left in /tmp/SIGNED-OFF-Bug-6964---Add-child-function-should-be-B23185.patch
16:28 paul_p            You can commit with the --no-verify argument
16:28 paul_p            Are you sure you want to commit ?
16:28 paul_p            members/readingrec.pl syntax OK
16:28 paul_p            members/paycollect.pl had compilation errors.
16:28 paul_p            activeBorrowerRelationship"
16:28 paul_p            syntax error at members/paycollect.pl line 141, near "$total_due
16:28 paul_p            members/pay.pl syntax OK
16:28 wizzyrea          :D
16:27 paul_p            members/notices.pl syntax OK
16:27 paul_p            members/moremember.pl syntax OK
16:27 paul_p            "my" variable @issuedata masks earlier declaration in same scope at members/moremember.pl line 260.
16:27 paul_p            members/member-password.pl syntax OK
16:27 paul_p            members/member-flags.pl syntax OK
16:27 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship'
16:27 paul_p            members/maninvoice.pl syntax OK
16:27 paul_p            members/mancredit.pl syntax OK
16:27 paul_p            members/deletemem.pl syntax OK
16:27 paul_p            members/boraccount.pl syntax OK
16:27 paul_p            circ/circulation.pl syntax OK
16:27 paul_p            Applying: Bug 6964 - 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship'
16:27 paul_p            yeahhh !!!!
16:25 * paul_p          checking immediatly !
16:25 paul_p            I LOVE git = there's always a solution = pre-applypatch
16:24 wizzyrea          that seems right - a pre-commit would only catch something when you type "commit whatever.bla"
16:23 paul_p            so you can git bz a bug that doesn't compile, a pre-commit checking that won't complain :'((((
16:23 paul_p            bad news = pre-commit & git-am / git-bz are not friends...
16:22 paul_p            FYI all = jenkins is unstable because of something wrong in the sample dataset. rangi sent me a mail saying he will fix the DB
16:22 chris_n           paul_p++ # for lots of hard work :)
16:19 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Choose framework on Merge
16:19 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 6964 follow-up
16:19 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 6210 follow-up, removing warn
16:19 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #610: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/610/
16:18 * paul_p          does some tests again...
16:18 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship'
16:18 * paul_p          discover that my pre-commit hook was wrong, otherwise the bug 6964 wouldn't have been pushed.
16:18 wizzyrea          hdl: i'd go for about anything at the moment :)
16:17 hdl               wizzyrea: if you search a commercial solution :http://www.qarbon.com/
16:16 kf                bye all :)
16:16 hdl               thanks clrh
16:15 clrh              yep I use recordmydesktop simpe and efficient
16:15 edveal            Anyone have any ideas as to why the "Location" column in the OPAC would be empty for all items when the "Location" column is fine in the staff client?
16:12 hdl               But maybe screencast.com works.
16:11 hdl               there was screentoaster.
16:10 hdl               http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/
16:09 huginn`           kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -8.0�C (5:00 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
16:09 kf                @wunder Konstanz
16:09 hdl               ask clrh. iirc last time we screencasted something, was recordMyDesktop or xvidcap
16:08 kf                only does screenshots I think
16:08 kf                and gives me the url to paste
16:08 kf                I have it set up so it uploads to my ftp account
16:08 kf                shutter?
16:07 kf                I think mine is shatter
16:07 hdl               wizzyrea: I like screencasting... but in that domain I am a believer, and not practitioner
16:07 wizzyrea          i'm going nuts without my jing on linux.
16:07 wizzyrea          and another question, those of you on linux, what's your favorite screen capture tool
16:07 reiveune          bye
16:07 wizzyrea          who here likes jing/screencast?
16:02 mbalmer           ok, thanks.
15:57 hdl               mbalmer: and also because zebra is sometimes not responsive to requests because of ZOOM implementation...
15:56 hdl               mbalmer: problems of memory consumption...
15:56 mbalmer           cool, never heard of that before.  that should give a nice performance boost (the librarians here claim that Koha is quite slow, but then we run on a slow machine atm)
15:54 paul_p            mbalmer http://plackperl.org/
15:53 paul_p            mbalmer we have Lyon 3 university running OPAC under plack. So it works
15:53 wahanui           somebody said Plack was working quite nice.
15:53 mbalmer           what is Plack?
15:53 kf                wizzyrea: git repo for sql dump... that is an interesting idea
15:53 paul_p            mbalmer yep. And during the hackfest there will be a group working on Plack as well. Plack and mod_perl should have the same kind of problem
15:53 mbalmer           are you aware of any problems with mod_perl?
15:52 mbalmer           paul_p, so that could be an experiment, too.
15:52 wizzyrea          but it has less stupid settings.
15:52 paul_p            mbalmer = no-one ever proved it worked well
15:52 wizzyrea          keyword - trying
15:52 kf                I think something about circular dependencies
15:52 wizzyrea          I have one in my git repo, as well, that I'm trying to keep up to date with what I'm currently using (and current master)
15:52 mbalmer           what again is the (technical) reason that Koha does not use mod_perl?
15:51 kf                I think I get what you mean :)
15:51 kf                but I don't want to use it for testing?
15:51 wizzyrea          but do matter for, say, functional testing
15:51 wizzyrea          which don't matter for testing
15:50 wizzyrea          I think that particular db has some strange settings in it
15:50 wizzyrea          one caveat
15:50 wizzyrea          now, however.
15:50 kf                thx liz :)
15:50 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Master , Cleaning up tests to use sample data
15:50 wizzyrea          bug 7333
15:49 chris_n           ok, back to fixing a few backup issues
15:48 * chris_n         has plans to fixup his release-rolling script to refuse to roll a release if the test suite fails
15:48 wizzyrea          ok right, finding bug
15:48 kf                I killed my feed reader some time ago...and found it frees up a lot of time
15:47 kf                paul_p: nope
15:47 wizzyrea          paul_p: thanks for following up, i was looking for a project
15:47 paul_p            kf you don't have a RSS feed on it ?
15:47 kf                I don't get a mail when someon changes the wiki page ;)
15:47 wizzyrea          yes, that
15:47 chris_n           instead of having to click lots of tiny square check boxes
15:47 wizzyrea          i will check it again :D
15:47 wizzyrea          cool!
15:47 paul_p            kf same thing ;-)
15:47 wizzyrea          ohhhh
15:47 paul_p            wizzyrea i've rewritten the wiki page, it should be more clear now
15:46 kf                paul_p: same here - no link on the wiki page :)
15:46 chris_n           and a "one-click" install option for it
15:46 paul_p            sample database++
15:46 wizzyrea          paul_p: I couldn't find the page to request the instance?
15:46 chris_n           very good idea
15:46 chris_n           but yes
15:46 chris_n           or "data to run db_dep tests over"
15:46 paul_p            wizzyrea it seems you haven't tested my sandbox system yet (I recieve a mail everytime someone request something)
15:46 kf                patrons and libraries would go in there too
15:46 chris_n           good idea
15:46 wizzyrea          "developer test data"
15:46 kf                yep
15:45 * chris_n         holds his breath
15:45 wizzyrea          is add a sub-section of sample data
15:45 wizzyrea          what we really should do
15:45 wizzyrea          chris_n: I think
15:45 wizzyrea          because it comes with no bibs
15:45 chris_n           we should patch the sample data
15:45 wizzyrea          they should, but the sample data doesn't, for example, come with a serial subscription
15:45 chris_n           this allows for a common standard
15:45 wizzyrea          im just going to find the bug, I made notes
15:45 * chris_n         thinks that the db_dependent tests should always pass over the sample data
15:44 kf                i have to have?
15:44 wizzyrea          let me just find it
15:44 wizzyrea          and these are in the bug
15:44 wizzyrea          you have to have
15:44 wizzyrea          that's not true
15:44 wizzyrea          no
15:44 wizzyrea          well
15:44 wizzyrea          but yea, they should pass on the sample data
15:44 wizzyrea          it may be on the bug, sec
15:44 wizzyrea          yes, you can
15:44 wizzyrea          yes - and I actually have one with real bibs in it thanks to magnuse (I borrowed his bibs)
15:44 kf                or simpler question - can I download it somewhere? :)
15:44 chris_n           kf: it should pass over the sample data now
15:43 kf                wizzyrea: was that the one you had attached to the bug?
15:43 kf                you know what I meant :)
15:43 wizzyrea          that has all of the stuff in it for tests
15:43 kf                meh
15:43 chris_n           kf: running on live data is not recommended ;-)
15:43 wizzyrea          I have a special db that I use when I refresh my test DB
15:43 wizzyrea          yep
15:43 kf                wizzyrea: do you run the db dependant tests on your test database?
15:42 paul_p            sys	0m7.024s
15:42 paul_p            user	1m21.749s
15:42 paul_p            real	2m6.092s
15:42 paul_p            Result: FAIL
15:42 paul_p            Files=125, Tests=6536, 126 wallclock secs ( 2.53 usr  1.42 sys + 79.08 cusr  5.57 csys = 88.60 CPU)
15:42 wizzyrea          oh you need modern-perl-perl
15:42 * oleonard        gets "Bailout called.  Further testing stopped:  ***** PROBLEMS LOADING FILE 'C4::Labels'"
15:42 wizzyrea          Files=124, Tests=4599, 73 wallclock secs ( 2.80 usr  0.51 sys + 66.22 cusr  5.57 csys = 75.10 CPU)
15:41 * wizzyrea        gets similar results
15:41 chris_n           cnighs@erasmus:~/koha.3.2.test (3.6.x)$
15:41 chris_n           sys	0m10.412s
15:41 chris_n           user	0m55.140s
15:41 chris_n           real	2m46.855s
15:38 chris_n           hdl: sorry; "we" meaning us on irc :)
15:38 kf                iirc
15:38 kf                hdl: I think it was discussed on a meeting
15:38 hdl               chris_n: i can't remember discussing that with you.
15:38 * paul_p          timing it as well
15:38 chris_n           timing it now
15:38 * chris_n         does the same
15:37 wizzyrea          I run prove t t/db_dependent xt
15:37 chris_n           om
15:37 paul_p            chris_n which command do you run exactly ? (/me will try it on my laptop)
15:36 chris_n           time tells it all
15:36 wizzyrea          t, t/db_dependent, and xt
15:36 wizzyrea          takes, maybe a couple of minutes?
15:36 wizzyrea          and comparing it to jenkins
15:36 kf                it's fast on my laptop too
15:36 wizzyrea          I've been running it before (most, at the moment) of my recent signoffs
15:36 chris_n           t, t/db_dependent, and xt
15:35 * chris_n         runs it before *every* push to the main repo
15:35 wahanui           release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6.
15:35 paul_p            chris_n ???
15:35 chris_n           hdl: we've had that discussion; koha's test plan takes less than 5 min to run
15:35 hdl               chris_n: and when you have a 45 minutes testing plan... You are not really keen on running it on every merge.
15:32 wizzyrea          not mad, just sayin.
15:32 mbalmer           you should know that I am a 100% open source person..
15:31 mbalmer           of course I am not serious about that.
15:31 wizzyrea          :)
15:31 mbalmer           I am swiss and usually cynical when making such comments.  you should see the smile on my face right now ;)
15:31 wizzyrea          mbalmer: statements like that are especially raw-nerve - lest someone think you are serious (even though I'm sure you're not)
15:30 paul_p            chris_n me
15:30 * mbalmer         ;)
15:30 chris_n           paul_p: who QA'd?
15:29 * mbalmer         likes that name so much!
15:29 paul_p            wizzyrea thanks !
15:29 * mbalmer         rushes to register biblibre as a trademark in .ch
15:29 wizzyrea          paul_p: i got your mail re: password - gimme just a min
15:29 * paul_p          not that wrong ;-)
15:28 paul_p            http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastUnstableBuild/testReport/
15:28 paul_p            chris_n = the test suite doesn't complain for any of the 3 patches that resulted in a follow-up today
15:27 wizzyrea          :)
15:27 mbalmer           I am sitting in a Koha workshop right now ;)
15:27 wizzyrea          *nod*
15:27 mbalmer           oh, that is really bad taste
15:27 * paul_p          should bookmark this mail...
15:27 mbalmer           I found that situation quite strange, was first on their site
15:27 paul_p            mbalmer => http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2011-February/027657.html
15:26 oleonard          mbalmer: And seeking a trademark on "Koha" in New Zealand.
15:26 wizzyrea          yep
15:26 mbalmer           ah, thos guys owning the koha.org domain name?
15:26 * chris_n         runs away
15:26 wizzyrea          mbalmer - they are a US company that supports a fork of Koha
15:26 chris_n           paul_p: all the more reason to run the complete test suite before pushing up ;-)
15:25 jenkins_koha      Starting build #610 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 17 h ago)
15:25 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , opachiddenitems not working in master
15:25 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7148 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match Cataloging's
15:25 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 6488 adding a 2nd \n to silence logs
15:25 jenkins_koha      * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7148 - Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match Cataloging's
15:25 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #609: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/609/
15:25 mbalmer           what/who is PTFS?
15:25 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7190 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , written off fines being refunded
15:25 paul_p            bug 7190 had a syntax error in paycollect, seems noone tested it !
15:25 huginn`           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6964' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c24b7653ba6d54ba54b592f70f9b79f633aef3af> / Bug 6964 follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e4cd0ada310532d3a9365429433711a7b3abd10>
15:25 * chris_n         loves being spam'd by git.kc.org :-)
15:24 moodaepo          oleonard++
15:24 wizzyrea          which?
15:24 oleonard          Did PTFS need to be shamed into responding, or are they just bad with deadlines? :P
15:24 paul_p            and another patch pushed with a mistake... phew... not my day today...
15:23 wizzyrea          gotcha
15:23 oleonard          http://koha-community.org/update-2-nz-koha-trademark-situation/#comments
15:23 mbalmer           great technology, and fun, even if you don't know spanish well ;)
15:22 * wizzyrea        reads
15:22 wizzyrea          ohh
15:22 moodaepo          wizzyrea: rangi posted an update to the copyright fiasco http://library-matters.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/update-2-on-nz-koha-trademark.html
15:21 moodaepo          Partner_Libraries++
15:21 wizzyrea          moodaepo: what'd I miss.
15:21 mbalmer           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPj0qgvfIs
15:21 moodaepo          bywater++
15:20 moodaepo          ptfs-- # sigh. again.
15:11 hdl               vfernandes: could you file a bug, attach a record you want to edit and what you ask as edition... In order to debug that ?
15:05 hdl               vfernandes: there is a special modifier which does enable utf8 characters in regular expressions.
15:04 hdl               vfernandes: mmm might be because it is a regular expression which is done.
15:04 hdl               hi oleonard
14:51 oleonard          I love seeing this cooperation, and seeing it out in the open.
14:50 oleonard          ByWater++ # http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/02/02/six-libraries-partner-to-bring-dom-biblio-indexing-to-koha
14:45 huginn`           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6210' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f799c32307be124f461e2e02e4a2668fcc13cade> / Bug 6210 follow-up, removing warn <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1637af349e4976c146d1ae5e1fb5b49aaaef288d>
14:41 oleonard          gitorious picked a strange time of day for planned down time
14:39 vfernandes        hdl sory only to answer now... i've gone to lunch :).... the problem is the special characters in same phrase/sentence that I want to add to itemnotes
14:36 paul_p            pushed
14:35 paul_p            oleonard the one for 6210 will arrive in a few seconds !
14:35 oleonard          Thanks for the follow-up corrections paul_p
14:35 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client
14:35 * oleonard        is happy to see Bug 6933 get pushed
14:31 jenkins_koha      Starting build #609 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 16 h ago)
14:24 huginn`           New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6488' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=522a7a3255c38047e6c68269c695e6e03f8baa12> / Bug 6488 adding a 2nd \n to silence logs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f66e9fa691f9cfd705375450a21c623e0155f52> / Fix for Bug 7148 - Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match... <http://git.koha-community.org
13:31 oleonard          Hi #koha
13:19 libsysguy         o/
13:17 hdl               vfernandes: special char in the biblio record ? Or in the strings to set ?
12:25 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7005 major, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , no confirmation for write off all
12:25 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship'
12:25 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 7005 follow-up fix coding guidelines broken
12:25 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client
12:25 jenkins_koha      * aleksa: Bug 7005: Writeoff all now has a confirmation dialog.
12:25 jenkins_koha      * aleksa: Bug 6964 - 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship'
12:25 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Improving koha-list and koha-create
12:25 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 6933 follow-up, perltyding new script list.pl
12:25 jenkins_koha      * oleonard: Bug 6933 [REVISED] Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client
12:25 jenkins_koha      * jcamins: Bug 6913: More options for koha-create and koha-remove
12:25 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, P3, ---, kmkale, Pushed to Master , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date
12:25 jenkins_koha      * robin: Bug 6913 - change how ports are handled by koha-create
12:25 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Adding Jorgia Kelsey and Peter Lorimer as contributors
12:25 jenkins_koha      * paul.poulain: Bug 6843 follow-up DBrev
12:25 jenkins_koha      * kmkale: Renew membership from expiry date or from current date based on a syspref
12:25 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #608: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/608/
12:11 vfernandes        hdl the problem is that the batchMod.pl don't finish the job if there is some "special" characters
12:07 hdl               please.
12:06 hdl               And what you see as a problem
12:06 hdl               vfernandes: can you screencast what you do ?
11:42 kf                hi Irma :)
11:31 jenkins_koha      Starting build #608 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 13 h ago)
11:30 huginn`           New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7005 follow-up fix coding guidelines broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=abdef00248903539ea9836bb43b7edcf28fabd02> / Bug 7005: Writeoff all now has a confirmation dialog. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbfdfa2cc74ecec0255288977aea3ad66100d786> / Bug 6964 - 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRel... <http://git.koha-
11:09 vfernandes        any idea hdl?
11:05 kf                hi #koha
10:52 vfernandes        there is some problem with the script when dealing with encoding
10:48 vfernandes        i want to edit some items notes. I have 8 items that i need to change the itemnotes to: "Exemplar em exposição (disponível a partir de 16 Fevereiro)". If I use the expression like that the script don't move from 14%, if i remove the ç,ã and í the script works fine
10:46 hdl               vfernandes: can you try and detail ?
10:37 vfernandes        how i can solve it?
10:37 vfernandes        there is some problem with my Koha (3.2.6) in the batchMod.pl.... i can't use accent characters like: ç, ã, á, etc....
10:36 vfernandes        hi Koha community :)
10:12 slef              it's only the 2nd and the patches2bugs mailer has finished... is koha-patches volume lower last month, or are bugs getting pushed quicker?
10:09 gaetan_B          bye !
09:58 Judit             thnk
09:57 hdl               Judit: it may happen. and koha Should NOT be broken then.
09:36 Judit             so it is generaly a bad sign if they differ
09:35 paul_p            but since 2.x, it should not happend
09:35 paul_p            Judit in very old versions of Koha (1.x), when there was no MARC, it was possible to have 1 biblio and X biblioitems
09:35 Judit             thanks
09:35 paul_p            ( and only this biblio has a problem )
09:34 paul_p            if there is a difference of 1 or 2, don't worry, it may mean a biblio had been improperly saved, for an unknown reason
09:34 Judit             hm
09:34 paul_p            I mean =
09:34 paul_p            Judit yes, but they can differ if there has been a problem with 1 (or a few) biblios
09:33 Judit             just a quicky: is the biblionumber and biblioitemnumber supposed to be the same number?
09:31 Judit             hi
08:23 huginn`           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Improving koha-list and koha-create
08:23 magnuse           yay for bug 6913 getting pushed!
08:14 gaetan_B          hello
08:09 asaurat           hi
08:05 paul_p            good morning world
08:04 wahanui           hello, francharb
08:04 francharb         hello
08:00 wahanui           que tal, reiveune
08:00 reiveune          hello
07:33 huginn`           cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -9.6�C (8:29 AM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Rising).
07:33 cait              @wunder Konstanz
07:30 cait              :)
07:30 cait              hi alex_a
07:29 alex_a            morning koha !
06:56 magnuse           guten morgen cait
06:55 cait              morning magnuse
06:55 magnuse           kia ora #koha
06:49 eythian           see y'all
06:48 cait              happy weekend :)
06:48 cait              oh
06:48 eythian           4 day weekend yay :)
06:48 * eythian         goes home
06:47 eythian           it does look quite nice :)
06:43 cait              lots of tourists... but apart from that nice
06:40 cait              [off] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G6KtUCZFuM < summer impressions from Konstanz
06:39 cait              :)
06:38 eythian           I don't currently have many schemes or plans, but I'm going to work on it over the next week or so and get some more detail in it.
06:37 cait              yay :)
06:37 eythian           cait: you'll be happy to know I'm currently drafting up a scheming plan.
06:36 cait              summers are especially nice even
06:36 cait              :)
06:36 cait              it is
06:36 eythian           hopefully it's warmer in summer time :)
06:35 wizzyrea          holy brr.
06:35 cait              ooh
06:35 huginn`           cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -9.3�C (7:34 AM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -13.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Rising).
06:35 cait              @wunder Konstanz
06:30 eythian           I found it strange too.
06:30 eythian           yeah
06:29 wizzyrea          me either - but I can attest that it is occasionally unnerving to see the 1.1. instead of 0.1 - habit I suppose.
06:27 eythian           I've never noticed anything being confused, but I just take it on faith they may exist.
06:27 wizzyrea          oh that could be
06:27 eythian           I think it prevents some things being confused when they see more than just 'localhost' on
06:27 wizzyrea          someday someone will explain it I'm sure.
06:27 wizzyrea          right but... oh never mind. I accept on faith that it's intentional and there's a reason for it.
06:26 eythian  is all localhost
06:25 wizzyrea          ha, okies
06:25 eythian           I'm not 100% sure what that reason is.
06:25 eythian           it's correct, and there's a reason for it.
06:25 wizzyrea          is it intentional or a typo that the koha site file contains instead of - sometihng to do with proper debian configuration?
06:24 eythian           hey nice, someone I don't recognise has been adding docs about using the packages to the wiki. That's always a good sign.
06:21 eythian           really that means you haven't got virtual hosts set up right
06:21 wizzyrea          speaking of that
06:21 wizzyrea          or I get nothing
06:21 wizzyrea          i've just installed koha but I only get the "it works!" page
06:20 wizzyrea          oh what's the question we always get about apache
06:20 wizzyrea          to suggest that
06:20 wizzyrea          I think that's probably a fine place
06:18 eythian           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze <-- these are the canonical package instructions, and they note that you can do it there.
06:17 eythian           No, I expect not.
06:17 wizzyrea          maybe it is, maybe I"m being small minded.
06:17 wizzyrea          right - i'm not sure that's the place for suggesting that?
06:16 eythian           (which is what we do, and I think magnus_away does also. Probably some others.)
06:15 eythian           Advanced users may also build their own packages :)
06:15 eythian           that sounds quite correct.
06:15 eythian           yep
06:14 wizzyrea          do you agree: http://koha-community.org/faq/debian-packages-tarball-install-koha/
06:14 wizzyrea          right :)
06:12 eythian           packages only work if you're on debian or ubuntu
06:11 eythian           well, I'd also put both for installing :)
06:11 eythian           hang on, I misread
06:10 eythian           where ` are backquotes.
06:10 eythian           wizzyrea: I'd put both, the package only applies to people who've used them. To rebuild using the packages you do: sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full `/usr/sbin/koha-list`
06:10 cait              wizzyrea: why are you not sleeping?
06:08 * wizzyrea        puts it on the list
06:08 wizzyrea          oh a faq under "installing/upgrading" -- Should I use the packages or the tarball?
06:07 wizzyrea          probably need to add in some infos about the packages too :)
06:06 wizzyrea          specifically: http://koha-community.org/?qa_faqs=deleting-biblios-biblioitems-deleted-items-whats-wrong
06:05 wizzyrea          http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
06:05 wizzyrea          eythian - I just updated the faq's on the website
06:01 eythian           np
06:01 eythian           It's time someone (probably me) wrote a nice howto for that...
06:01 jurgens           but I will definitly try again! thanks for your help eythian
06:00 jurgens           I have tried before, from the debian packages.. but I couldn't get it to install correctly.
06:00 eythian           It's just a bit more work to set it up in the first place.
06:00 eythian           OK. I'd also recommend installing from the debian packages, they provide tools to make things like that easier.
05:59 jurgens           ok, good. I think I will reinstall this live cd.. and load up a few items, truncate the tables and try your commands again. Hopefully this will all work then!
05:58 eythian           It's always safe to do
05:58 eythian           that command makes sure that the search index is in sync with what's in the database.
05:58 jurgens           just a question for future reference
05:58 jurgens           eythian, if i have say items and bib records in koha that I want to keep, and i ran the commands you just showed, will it just reindex those items or if it all worked delete them too?
05:57 eythian           yeah, it's trying to load a record but failing most likely
05:57 eythian           where does the liblime thing come from? You might be right that it's confusing matters.
05:57 jurgens           so this is the error when clicking on a search result: Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 1164.
05:56 eythian           hmm. did the rebuild_zebra thing give anything that looked like an error?
05:56 jurgens           all of them.
05:56 jurgens           i think the problem could be the liblime thing, because i did try to see how the update process work.. it didn't work exactly
05:56 eythian           wait, when you truncated stuff in your database, what tables did you do that to?
05:55 eythian           that's unexpected
05:55 jurgens           yeah.. came up with results again
05:55 eythian           anyway, try your searching again
05:55 jurgens           yup
05:54 eythian           things like 'exporting 0 records' and so forth
05:54 jurgens           Yup
05:54 eythian           it should have put a lot of output
05:54 jurgens           it did a few things
05:54 eythian           then do that command just above
05:54 eythian           oh sweet
05:54 jurgens           it says koha
05:53 eythian           first do 'whoami'
05:53 eythian           no wait
05:53 eythian           sweet. OK, now: KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -v -r -a -b
05:52 jurgens           koha:x:1000:1000:koha,,,:/home/koha:/bin/bash
05:52 eythian           OK cool. Now one more: grep koha /etc/passwd
05:52 jurgens           /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml_koha_3_02_00_004 /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/etc/koha-conf.xml
05:51 jurgens           sorry .. here
05:51 jurgens           /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl koha@koha:~$ locate koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml_koha_3_02_00_004 /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/etc/koha-conf.xml
05:50 eythian           run 'locate koha-conf.xml'
05:50 jurgens           what did you say eythian
05:50 jurgens           oops.. sorry i accidentally closed the widnow
05:49 eythian           now do the locate koha-conf.xml
05:49 eythian           but anyway, it's probably the second one we want.
05:49 eythian           liblime? Where did you find the livecd?
05:48 eythian           before the '/', which will make IRC not see it as a command
05:48 jurgens           /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl
05:48 eythian           put a space in the front
05:48 jurgens           one in migration tools
05:48 eythian           because it started with a '/'
05:48 jurgens           there are two locations basically.
05:48 jurgens           ... ok i typed it out but didn't print it here..
05:48 eythian           now try 'locate koha-conf.xml'
05:48 eythian           hmm, well that doesn't matter too much, so long as it works
05:47 jurgens           ok sorry, can't paste it here for some reason.. but
05:47 eythian           so what's it say?
05:47 cait              eythian++ :)
05:46 jurgens           Hi 5!
05:46 eythian           that's fine. Try the locate again
05:46 jurgens           ok.. nothing
05:46 jurgens           its thinking..
05:45 eythian           this may take several minutes to complete
05:45 eythian           run 'sudo updatedb'
05:45 eythian           OK cool
05:45 jurgens           it appears to execute, but no output, just a new command line
05:44 eythian           when you say 'nothing happens', what sort of nothing?
05:44 jurgens           I ran that in terminal [locate rebuild_zebra].. nothing happens
05:43 eythian           don't worry, the error is perfectly normal for what you did, and rebuilding zebra indices is a pretty standard process.
05:43 eythian           (I don't know how the livecd is laid out, so this is to establish that)
05:43 jurgens           This sort of worked ( i did it through koha) but then decided to truncate the tables as i was getting this error.
05:42 eythian           hmm. What's the output of running 'locate rebuild_zebra'?
05:42 jurgens           I uploaded a lot of bibs, but decided to include barcodes in the 952 fiels, and also added the ISBN-10 to the ISBN-13 fields, hence i decided to do this by deleting the previous uploaded ones.
05:41 eythian           ah. hmm.
05:41 jurgens           I did it from a LiveCD
05:41 eythian           (or some other method)
05:41 eythian           jurgens: how did you install koha? From packages or from a tar.gz?
05:40 jurgens           Thanks eythian, a starting point!
05:40 jurgens           How do I do this? I can't figure out were to do this - I am new to Linux and Koha, but learning fast.
05:40 eythian           searching happens through zebra, and the database is used to get all the extra data.
05:39 eythian           jurgens: you need to reindex zebra
05:38 jurgens           Maybe someone can help: I've truncated all the tables in my mysql koha database, but still my staff client is able to search the catalogue and provide me with results. Clicking on one of these results gives me an error page with this line: Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 1164.
05:13 cait              hi eythian :)
05:13 eythian           hi cait
05:12 cait              hi #koha
04:26 wizzyrea          will have to look into that tomorrow
04:25 wizzyrea          I wonder if it has to do with the patch for 7327 - these translations were generated with those modifications
04:20 wizzyrea          but yes, there probably are js errors.
04:20 wizzyrea          or... not.
04:20 wizzyrea          must be OH i wonder if ... i bet I know why this is.
04:19 eythian           are there js errors? That's often what causes that sort of thing
04:19 wizzyrea          behaviour also exists in de-de
04:19 wizzyrea          on circulation.pl and moremember.pl, specifically, and even more specifically, in en-NZ
04:18 wizzyrea          has anyone else noticed the circulation buttons don't seem to work right in translations?
04:18 wizzyrea          well that is odd
04:14 Oak               kia ora #koha
04:09 eythian           hello Amit_Gupta
04:08 Amit_Gupta        heya robin
03:57 Space_Librarian   Alright #koha. Have a good evening/morning. :)
03:45 eythian           http://chronicle.com/article/As-Journal-Boycott-Grows/130600/
03:35 * Space_Librarian really wants chocolate now. Only half an hour to go.
03:26 wizzyrea          sweet dreams
03:26 bencahill         good night #koha, I must get some sleep to see if I can get over this congestion :(
03:23 Amit_Gupta        good morning #koha :)
03:23 Amit_Gupta        heya bag
03:11 * wizzyrea        dies laughing
03:11 wizzyrea          rofl
03:11 wahanui           real proper answer is, like, "why aren't there naked flight attendants"
03:11 wizzyrea          real proper answer?
03:10 wahanui           23: how to identify with huginn, 123: mad schemes, 158: test all the things
03:10 wizzyrea          favorite quotes?
03:07 bencahill         cool...I'll pop back on sometime when I'm physically at the server...maybe Sun. night
03:06 eythian           I should think so
03:05 bencahill         eythian: it's too slow (internet) to debug right now...but should I be able to get decent (e.g. < 3sec) pageloads on a p4 2.5?
03:05 Space_Librarian   mmm.... chocolate. I could do with some.
03:01 wahanui           i guess chocolate is finite, we ate it all :)
03:01 wizzyrea          chocolate?
03:00 bencahill         argh, so slow!
02:53 wahanui           also nifty is the fact that they now offer a memcached server.
02:53 wizzyrea          also nifty?
02:53 * bencahill       reads up on it again
02:53 bencahill         but I can do local profiling...
02:53 * bencahill       can't do proper testing here because the internet at server is apparently using snail mail right now...
02:52 * wizzyrea        giggles
02:52 wahanui           has the eerie feeling she is being conspired against.
02:52 wizzyrea          has the eerie feeling she?
02:52 wizzyrea          has the eerie feeling?
02:51 eythian           if it's mysql, maybe you are missing an index on an important query, or haven't given it enough memory to cache what it needs.
02:47 * bencahill       waits for windows to start responding :(
02:45 bencahill         ...and that's mysql, iirc...wait a min, lemme test some
02:45 bencahill         I know it uses 100% cpu the whole time it's loading
02:44 eythian           have you checked to see if it's the database, or zebra, or apache, or ...?
02:44 bencahill         eythian: I profiled it a while back, and got it a bit faster, but after that, there wasn't any one thing that was slow, it just all contributed a little :( (note that I know very little about perl in general)
02:33 eythian           6-8 seconds is a lot for any modern computer.
02:33 eythian           I think you're best working out where the slowdown is coming from first.
02:31 bencahill         hey guys, how fast would an i5 or athlon x4 be (roughly) in comparison to a p4 2.5? I'm getting ~6-8 sec pageloads right now
01:41 rangi             Right off to pick up kahu
01:39 drojf             good night #koha
01:32 pgriffith         I'll work on this angle -- thanks for the info and the link. Good night!
01:31 eythian           http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Virtual_Appliances <-- not quite what I was thinking, but might be worth a look
01:29 pgriffith         Can you point me to it?
01:29 eythian           In theory it should be just install-and-go.
01:28 eythian           there is a live CD setup out there. I don't know how well it works, but you could install that into a vm.
01:27 pgriffith         Right, I think this is over my head... Any alternatives, or is this pretty much the only way to proceed with Koha?
01:25 eythian           Keep in mind, if you don't know Linux, you're either going to have a lot of learning to do, or perhaps better finding someone who does know it to help you.
01:25 drojf             pgriffith: if you install debian gnu/linux in your virtual machine and use the koha debian packages, you will get everything else automatically. but you need the operating system first
01:25 pgriffith         (The Koha version I downloaded is called 3.06.03)
01:25 eythian           I misread
01:25 eythian           wait
01:25 eythian           oh
01:24 eythian           pgriffith: where do you see that?
01:24 mtj                 43
01:23 pgriffith         OK, I see a "Free Copy" download for VMware Server. After that, how do I locate the correct versions of Apache, MySQL and Perl? Is there info on the Koha site? Couldn't find it...
01:23 mtj               mason@xen1:~/g/head$ git tag|grep 'v3'|wc -l
01:23 mtj               pgriffith:  for the win, there's been a mighty *43* releases - since Koha 2.x ! :)
01:22 rangi             possibly
01:22 pgriffith         rangi: Do you mean "VMware Server"?
01:19 eythian           And Koha on that.
01:19 drojf             mtj: a solid last place for satisfaction with the company. well earned i would say
01:19 eythian           It is, you could install Linux inside a virtual machine.
01:18 pgriffith         eythian: Thanks for the quick explanation. Is it not possible to set this up on a Windows machine, access it from the same machine, as well as eventually add access to "the outside"?
01:17 eythian           ah right. very, very old then.
01:17 rangi             3.0 was 2008
01:17 rangi             i think 5 or 6
01:17 eythian           like, 3 or 4 years old
01:17 eythian           it's very old.
01:17 eythian           pgriffith: that's koha version 2.2.8
01:16 mtj               according to this -> http://www.librarytechnology.org/perceptions2011.pl
01:16 pgriffith         I found a YouTube Link which seems to detail installation on a Windows machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou7WgoeSmOc
01:16 mtj               drojf:  many of liblime's *clients* can't believe ptfs is continuing with that bullshit , too ;P
01:15 eythian           The computer used to access it can run anything you like however, so long as it has a web browser.
01:15 rangi             you can run it in a vm (under vmware for example)
01:15 eythian           pgriffith: Koha is a server-based application, designed to be used from other computers through a webbrowser. Servers tend to run Linux, so Koha runs on Linux.
01:14 pgriffith         Apache (where, exactly, do I get the right package), MySQL and Perl (haven't gotten far enough yet on these to know what to ask).
01:14 pgriffith         We're looking for solid, inexpensive software for our fledgling Church library. I've found "Koha" via a search, but so far it seems quite difficult to get going. We're using a Windows 7 PC, nothing noteworthy about the hardware, I've downloaded the latest Koha software, but am stymied by: Linux (must I use it? If so, I probably should drop out right now...)
01:13 eythian           cool :)
01:13 Space_Librarian   eythian ++ for a great explanation.
01:06 * drojf           eliminated a huge problem for our data import and not even ptfs will ruin my mood
00:58 Space_Librarian   :)
00:56 drojf             they are pretty trustworthy
00:50 rangi             and we participate in teh community
00:50 rangi             like we dont have a fork
00:50 rangi             they said lots of things
00:50 rangi             they did say that
00:45 drojf             didn't they say something like "we just inherited that claim and we won't continue" or did i dream that?
00:44 rangi             yeah its pretty lame
00:29 * drojf           can't believe ptfs is continuing with that bullshit :(
00:22 rangi             http://library-matters.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/update-2-on-nz-koha-trademark.html
00:20 drojf             woohoo!