Time Nick Message 00:20 drojf woohoo! 00:22 rangi http://library-matters.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/update-2-on-nz-koha-trademark.html 00:29 * drojf can't believe ptfs is continuing with that bullshit :( 00:44 rangi yeah its pretty lame 00:45 drojf didn't they say something like "we just inherited that claim and we won't continue" or did i dream that? 00:50 rangi they did say that 00:50 rangi they said lots of things 00:50 rangi like we dont have a fork 00:50 rangi and we participate in teh community 00:56 drojf they are pretty trustworthy 00:58 Space_Librarian :) 01:06 * drojf eliminated a huge problem for our data import and not even ptfs will ruin my mood 01:13 Space_Librarian eythian ++ for a great explanation. 01:13 eythian cool :) 01:14 pgriffith We're looking for solid, inexpensive software for our fledgling Church library. I've found "Koha" via a search, but so far it seems quite difficult to get going. We're using a Windows 7 PC, nothing noteworthy about the hardware, I've downloaded the latest Koha software, but am stymied by: Linux (must I use it? If so, I probably should drop out right now...) 01:14 pgriffith Apache (where, exactly, do I get the right package), MySQL and Perl (haven't gotten far enough yet on these to know what to ask). 01:15 eythian pgriffith: Koha is a server-based application, designed to be used from other computers through a webbrowser. Servers tend to run Linux, so Koha runs on Linux. 01:15 rangi you can run it in a vm (under vmware for example) 01:15 eythian The computer used to access it can run anything you like however, so long as it has a web browser. 01:16 mtj drojf: many of liblime's *clients* can't believe ptfs is continuing with that bullshit , too ;P 01:16 pgriffith I found a YouTube Link which seems to detail installation on a Windows machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou7WgoeSmOc 01:16 mtj according to this -> http://www.librarytechnology.org/perceptions2011.pl 01:17 eythian pgriffith: that's koha version 2.2.8 01:17 eythian it's very old. 01:17 eythian like, 3 or 4 years old 01:17 rangi i think 5 or 6 01:17 rangi 3.0 was 2008 01:17 eythian ah right. very, very old then. 01:18 pgriffith eythian: Thanks for the quick explanation. Is it not possible to set this up on a Windows machine, access it from the same machine, as well as eventually add access to "the outside"? 01:19 eythian It is, you could install Linux inside a virtual machine. 01:19 drojf mtj: a solid last place for satisfaction with the company. well earned i would say 01:19 eythian And Koha on that. 01:22 pgriffith rangi: Do you mean "VMware Server"? 01:22 rangi possibly 01:23 mtj pgriffith: for the win, there's been a mighty *43* releases - since Koha 2.x ! :) 01:23 mtj mason@xen1:~/g/head$ git tag|grep 'v3'|wc -l 01:23 pgriffith OK, I see a "Free Copy" download for VMware Server. After that, how do I locate the correct versions of Apache, MySQL and Perl? Is there info on the Koha site? Couldn't find it... 01:24 mtj 43 01:24 eythian pgriffith: where do you see that? 01:25 eythian oh 01:25 eythian wait 01:25 eythian I misread 01:25 pgriffith (The Koha version I downloaded is called 3.06.03) 01:25 drojf pgriffith: if you install debian gnu/linux in your virtual machine and use the koha debian packages, you will get everything else automatically. but you need the operating system first 01:25 eythian Keep in mind, if you don't know Linux, you're either going to have a lot of learning to do, or perhaps better finding someone who does know it to help you. 01:27 pgriffith Right, I think this is over my head... Any alternatives, or is this pretty much the only way to proceed with Koha? 01:28 eythian there is a live CD setup out there. I don't know how well it works, but you could install that into a vm. 01:29 eythian In theory it should be just install-and-go. 01:29 pgriffith Can you point me to it? 01:31 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Virtual_Appliances <-- not quite what I was thinking, but might be worth a look 01:32 pgriffith I'll work on this angle -- thanks for the info and the link. Good night! 01:39 drojf good night #koha 01:41 rangi Right off to pick up kahu 02:31 bencahill hey guys, how fast would an i5 or athlon x4 be (roughly) in comparison to a p4 2.5? I'm getting ~6-8 sec pageloads right now 02:33 eythian I think you're best working out where the slowdown is coming from first. 02:33 eythian 6-8 seconds is a lot for any modern computer. 02:44 bencahill eythian: I profiled it a while back, and got it a bit faster, but after that, there wasn't any one thing that was slow, it just all contributed a little :( (note that I know very little about perl in general) 02:44 eythian have you checked to see if it's the database, or zebra, or apache, or ...? 02:45 bencahill I know it uses 100% cpu the whole time it's loading 02:45 bencahill ...and that's mysql, iirc...wait a min, lemme test some 02:47 * bencahill waits for windows to start responding :( 02:51 eythian if it's mysql, maybe you are missing an index on an important query, or haven't given it enough memory to cache what it needs. 02:52 wizzyrea has the eerie feeling? 02:52 wizzyrea has the eerie feeling she? 02:52 wahanui has the eerie feeling she is being conspired against. 02:52 * wizzyrea giggles 02:53 * bencahill can't do proper testing here because the internet at server is apparently using snail mail right now... 02:53 bencahill but I can do local profiling... 02:53 * bencahill reads up on it again 02:53 wizzyrea also nifty? 02:53 wahanui also nifty is the fact that they now offer a memcached server. 03:00 bencahill argh, so slow! 03:01 wizzyrea chocolate? 03:01 wahanui i guess chocolate is finite, we ate it all :) 03:05 Space_Librarian mmm.... chocolate. I could do with some. 03:05 bencahill eythian: it's too slow (internet) to debug right now...but should I be able to get decent (e.g. < 3sec) pageloads on a p4 2.5? 03:06 eythian I should think so 03:07 bencahill cool...I'll pop back on sometime when I'm physically at the server...maybe Sun. night 03:10 wizzyrea favorite quotes? 03:10 wahanui 23: how to identify with huginn, 123: mad schemes, 158: test all the things 03:11 wizzyrea real proper answer? 03:11 wahanui real proper answer is, like, "why aren't there naked flight attendants" 03:11 wizzyrea rofl 03:11 * wizzyrea dies laughing 03:23 Amit_Gupta heya bag 03:23 Amit_Gupta good morning #koha :) 03:26 bencahill good night #koha, I must get some sleep to see if I can get over this congestion :( 03:26 wizzyrea sweet dreams 03:35 * Space_Librarian really wants chocolate now. Only half an hour to go. 03:45 eythian http://chronicle.com/article/As-Journal-Boycott-Grows/130600/ 03:57 Space_Librarian Alright #koha. Have a good evening/morning. :) 04:08 Amit_Gupta heya robin 04:09 eythian hello Amit_Gupta 04:14 Oak kia ora #koha 04:18 wizzyrea well that is odd 04:18 wizzyrea has anyone else noticed the circulation buttons don't seem to work right in translations? 04:19 wizzyrea on circulation.pl and moremember.pl, specifically, and even more specifically, in en-NZ 04:19 wizzyrea behaviour also exists in de-de 04:19 eythian are there js errors? That's often what causes that sort of thing 04:20 wizzyrea must be OH i wonder if ... i bet I know why this is. 04:20 wizzyrea or... not. 04:20 wizzyrea but yes, there probably are js errors. 04:25 wizzyrea I wonder if it has to do with the patch for 7327 - these translations were generated with those modifications 04:26 wizzyrea will have to look into that tomorrow 05:12 cait hi #koha 05:13 eythian hi cait 05:13 cait hi eythian :) 05:38 jurgens Maybe someone can help: I've truncated all the tables in my mysql koha database, but still my staff client is able to search the catalogue and provide me with results. Clicking on one of these results gives me an error page with this line: Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 1164. 05:39 eythian jurgens: you need to reindex zebra 05:40 eythian searching happens through zebra, and the database is used to get all the extra data. 05:40 jurgens How do I do this? I can't figure out were to do this - I am new to Linux and Koha, but learning fast. 05:40 jurgens Thanks eythian, a starting point! 05:41 eythian jurgens: how did you install koha? From packages or from a tar.gz? 05:41 eythian (or some other method) 05:41 jurgens I did it from a LiveCD 05:41 eythian ah. hmm. 05:42 jurgens I uploaded a lot of bibs, but decided to include barcodes in the 952 fiels, and also added the ISBN-10 to the ISBN-13 fields, hence i decided to do this by deleting the previous uploaded ones. 05:42 eythian hmm. What's the output of running 'locate rebuild_zebra'? 05:43 jurgens This sort of worked ( i did it through koha) but then decided to truncate the tables as i was getting this error. 05:43 eythian (I don't know how the livecd is laid out, so this is to establish that) 05:43 eythian don't worry, the error is perfectly normal for what you did, and rebuilding zebra indices is a pretty standard process. 05:44 jurgens I ran that in terminal [locate rebuild_zebra].. nothing happens 05:44 eythian when you say 'nothing happens', what sort of nothing? 05:45 jurgens it appears to execute, but no output, just a new command line 05:45 eythian OK cool 05:45 eythian run 'sudo updatedb' 05:45 eythian this may take several minutes to complete 05:46 jurgens its thinking.. 05:46 jurgens ok.. nothing 05:46 eythian that's fine. Try the locate again 05:46 jurgens Hi 5! 05:47 cait eythian++ :) 05:47 eythian so what's it say? 05:47 jurgens ok sorry, can't paste it here for some reason.. but 05:48 eythian hmm, well that doesn't matter too much, so long as it works 05:48 eythian now try 'locate koha-conf.xml' 05:48 jurgens ... ok i typed it out but didn't print it here.. 05:48 jurgens there are two locations basically. 05:48 eythian because it started with a '/' 05:48 jurgens one in migration tools 05:48 eythian put a space in the front 05:48 jurgens /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl 05:48 eythian before the '/', which will make IRC not see it as a command 05:49 eythian liblime? Where did you find the livecd? 05:49 eythian but anyway, it's probably the second one we want. 05:49 eythian now do the locate koha-conf.xml 05:50 jurgens oops.. sorry i accidentally closed the widnow 05:50 jurgens what did you say eythian 05:50 eythian run 'locate koha-conf.xml' 05:51 jurgens /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl koha@koha:~$ locate koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml_koha_3_02_00_004 /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/etc/koha-conf.xml 05:51 jurgens sorry .. here 05:52 jurgens /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml_koha_3_02_00_004 /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/etc/koha-conf.xml 05:52 eythian OK cool. Now one more: grep koha /etc/passwd 05:52 jurgens koha:x:1000:1000:koha,,,:/home/koha:/bin/bash 05:53 eythian sweet. OK, now: KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -v -r -a -b 05:53 eythian no wait 05:53 eythian first do 'whoami' 05:54 jurgens it says koha 05:54 eythian oh sweet 05:54 eythian then do that command just above 05:54 jurgens it did a few things 05:54 eythian it should have put a lot of output 05:54 jurgens Yup 05:54 eythian things like 'exporting 0 records' and so forth 05:55 jurgens yup 05:55 eythian anyway, try your searching again 05:55 jurgens yeah.. came up with results again 05:55 eythian that's unexpected 05:56 eythian wait, when you truncated stuff in your database, what tables did you do that to? 05:56 jurgens i think the problem could be the liblime thing, because i did try to see how the update process work.. it didn't work exactly 05:56 jurgens all of them. 05:56 eythian hmm. did the rebuild_zebra thing give anything that looked like an error? 05:57 jurgens so this is the error when clicking on a search result: Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 1164. 05:57 eythian where does the liblime thing come from? You might be right that it's confusing matters. 05:57 eythian yeah, it's trying to load a record but failing most likely 05:58 jurgens eythian, if i have say items and bib records in koha that I want to keep, and i ran the commands you just showed, will it just reindex those items or if it all worked delete them too? 05:58 jurgens just a question for future reference 05:58 eythian that command makes sure that the search index is in sync with what's in the database. 05:58 eythian It's always safe to do 05:59 jurgens ok, good. I think I will reinstall this live cd.. and load up a few items, truncate the tables and try your commands again. Hopefully this will all work then! 06:00 eythian OK. I'd also recommend installing from the debian packages, they provide tools to make things like that easier. 06:00 eythian It's just a bit more work to set it up in the first place. 06:00 jurgens I have tried before, from the debian packages.. but I couldn't get it to install correctly. 06:01 jurgens but I will definitly try again! thanks for your help eythian 06:01 eythian It's time someone (probably me) wrote a nice howto for that... 06:01 eythian np 06:05 wizzyrea eythian - I just updated the faq's on the website 06:05 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 06:06 wizzyrea specifically: http://koha-community.org/?qa_faqs=deleting-biblios-biblioitems-deleted-items-whats-wrong 06:07 wizzyrea probably need to add in some infos about the packages too :) 06:08 wizzyrea oh a faq under "installing/upgrading" -- Should I use the packages or the tarball? 06:08 * wizzyrea puts it on the list 06:10 cait wizzyrea: why are you not sleeping? 06:10 eythian wizzyrea: I'd put both, the package only applies to people who've used them. To rebuild using the packages you do: sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full `/usr/sbin/koha-list` 06:10 eythian where ` are backquotes. 06:11 eythian hang on, I misread 06:11 eythian well, I'd also put both for installing :) 06:12 eythian packages only work if you're on debian or ubuntu 06:14 wizzyrea right :) 06:14 wizzyrea do you agree: http://koha-community.org/faq/debian-packages-tarball-install-koha/ 06:15 eythian yep 06:15 eythian that sounds quite correct. 06:15 eythian Advanced users may also build their own packages :) 06:16 eythian (which is what we do, and I think magnus_away does also. Probably some others.) 06:17 wizzyrea right - i'm not sure that's the place for suggesting that? 06:17 wizzyrea maybe it is, maybe I"m being small minded. 06:17 eythian No, I expect not. 06:18 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze <-- these are the canonical package instructions, and they note that you can do it there. 06:20 wizzyrea I think that's probably a fine place 06:20 wizzyrea to suggest that 06:20 wizzyrea oh what's the question we always get about apache 06:21 wizzyrea i've just installed koha but I only get the "it works!" page 06:21 wizzyrea or I get nothing 06:21 wizzyrea speaking of that 06:21 eythian really that means you haven't got virtual hosts set up right 06:24 eythian hey nice, someone I don't recognise has been adding docs about using the packages to the wiki. That's always a good sign. 06:25 wizzyrea is it intentional or a typo that the koha site file contains 127.0.1.1 instead of 127.0.0.1 - sometihng to do with proper debian configuration? 06:25 eythian it's correct, and there's a reason for it. 06:25 eythian I'm not 100% sure what that reason is. 06:25 wizzyrea ha, okies 06:26 eythian 127.0.0.0/8 is all localhost 06:27 wizzyrea right but... oh never mind. I accept on faith that it's intentional and there's a reason for it. 06:27 wizzyrea someday someone will explain it I'm sure. 06:27 eythian I think it prevents some things being confused when they see more than just 'localhost' on 127.0.0.1 06:27 wizzyrea oh that could be 06:27 eythian I've never noticed anything being confused, but I just take it on faith they may exist. 06:29 wizzyrea me either - but I can attest that it is occasionally unnerving to see the 1.1. instead of 0.1 - habit I suppose. 06:30 eythian yeah 06:30 eythian I found it strange too. 06:35 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:35 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -9.3�C (7:34 AM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -13.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Rising). 06:35 cait ooh 06:35 wizzyrea holy brr. 06:36 eythian hopefully it's warmer in summer time :) 06:36 cait it is 06:36 cait :) 06:36 cait summers are especially nice even 06:37 eythian cait: you'll be happy to know I'm currently drafting up a scheming plan. 06:37 cait yay :) 06:38 eythian I don't currently have many schemes or plans, but I'm going to work on it over the next week or so and get some more detail in it. 06:39 cait :) 06:40 cait [off] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G6KtUCZFuM < summer impressions from Konstanz 06:43 cait lots of tourists... but apart from that nice 06:47 eythian it does look quite nice :) 06:48 * eythian goes home 06:48 eythian 4 day weekend yay :) 06:48 cait oh 06:48 cait happy weekend :) 06:49 eythian see y'all 06:55 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:55 cait morning magnuse 06:56 magnuse guten morgen cait 07:29 alex_a morning koha ! 07:30 cait hi alex_a 07:30 cait :) 07:33 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:33 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -9.6�C (8:29 AM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Rising). 08:00 reiveune hello 08:00 wahanui que tal, reiveune 08:04 francharb hello 08:04 wahanui hello, francharb 08:05 paul_p good morning world 08:09 asaurat hi 08:14 gaetan_B hello 08:23 magnuse yay for bug 6913 getting pushed! 08:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Improving koha-list and koha-create 09:31 Judit hi 09:33 Judit just a quicky: is the biblionumber and biblioitemnumber supposed to be the same number? 09:34 paul_p Judit yes, but they can differ if there has been a problem with 1 (or a few) biblios 09:34 paul_p I mean = 09:34 Judit hm 09:34 paul_p if there is a difference of 1 or 2, don't worry, it may mean a biblio had been improperly saved, for an unknown reason 09:35 paul_p ( and only this biblio has a problem ) 09:35 Judit thanks 09:35 paul_p Judit in very old versions of Koha (1.x), when there was no MARC, it was possible to have 1 biblio and X biblioitems 09:35 paul_p but since 2.x, it should not happend 09:36 Judit so it is generaly a bad sign if they differ 09:57 hdl Judit: it may happen. and koha Should NOT be broken then. 09:58 Judit thnk 10:09 gaetan_B bye ! 10:12 slef it's only the 2nd and the patches2bugs mailer has finished... is koha-patches volume lower last month, or are bugs getting pushed quicker? 10:36 vfernandes hi Koha community :) 10:37 vfernandes there is some problem with my Koha (3.2.6) in the batchMod.pl.... i can't use accent characters like: ç, ã, á, etc.... 10:37 vfernandes how i can solve it? 10:46 hdl vfernandes: can you try and detail ? 10:48 vfernandes i want to edit some items notes. I have 8 items that i need to change the itemnotes to: "Exemplar em exposição (disponível a partir de 16 Fevereiro)". If I use the expression like that the script don't move from 14%, if i remove the ç,ã and í the script works fine 10:52 vfernandes there is some problem with the script when dealing with encoding 11:05 kf hi #koha 11:09 vfernandes any idea hdl? 11:30 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7005 follow-up fix coding guidelines broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=abdef00248903539ea9836bb43b7edcf28fabd02> / Bug 7005: Writeoff all now has a confirmation dialog. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbfdfa2cc74ecec0255288977aea3ad66100d786> / Bug 6964 - 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRel... <http://git.koha- 11:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #608 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 13 h ago) 11:42 kf hi Irma :) 12:06 hdl vfernandes: can you screencast what you do ? 12:06 hdl And what you see as a problem 12:07 hdl please. 12:11 vfernandes hdl the problem is that the batchMod.pl don't finish the job if there is some "special" characters 12:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #608: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/608/ 12:25 jenkins_koha * kmkale: Renew membership from expiry date or from current date based on a syspref 12:25 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6843 follow-up DBrev 12:25 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Adding Jorgia Kelsey and Peter Lorimer as contributors 12:25 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6913 - change how ports are handled by koha-create 12:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, P3, ---, kmkale, Pushed to Master , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date 12:25 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 6913: More options for koha-create and koha-remove 12:25 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 6933 [REVISED] Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client 12:25 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6933 follow-up, perltyding new script list.pl 12:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Improving koha-list and koha-create 12:25 jenkins_koha * aleksa: Bug 6964 - 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' 12:25 jenkins_koha * aleksa: Bug 7005: Writeoff all now has a confirmation dialog. 12:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client 12:25 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7005 follow-up fix coding guidelines broken 12:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' 12:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7005 major, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , no confirmation for write off all 13:17 hdl vfernandes: special char in the biblio record ? Or in the strings to set ? 13:19 libsysguy o/ 13:31 oleonard Hi #koha 14:24 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6488' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=522a7a3255c38047e6c68269c695e6e03f8baa12> / Bug 6488 adding a 2nd \n to silence logs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f66e9fa691f9cfd705375450a21c623e0155f52> / Fix for Bug 7148 - Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match... <http://git.koha-community.org 14:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #609 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 16 h ago) 14:35 * oleonard is happy to see Bug 6933 get pushed 14:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client 14:35 oleonard Thanks for the follow-up corrections paul_p 14:35 paul_p oleonard the one for 6210 will arrive in a few seconds ! 14:36 paul_p pushed 14:39 vfernandes hdl sory only to answer now... i've gone to lunch :).... the problem is the special characters in same phrase/sentence that I want to add to itemnotes 14:41 oleonard gitorious picked a strange time of day for planned down time 14:45 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6210' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f799c32307be124f461e2e02e4a2668fcc13cade> / Bug 6210 follow-up, removing warn <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1637af349e4976c146d1ae5e1fb5b49aaaef288d> 14:50 oleonard ByWater++ # http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/02/02/six-libraries-partner-to-bring-dom-biblio-indexing-to-koha 14:51 oleonard I love seeing this cooperation, and seeing it out in the open. 15:04 hdl hi oleonard 15:04 hdl vfernandes: mmm might be because it is a regular expression which is done. 15:05 hdl vfernandes: there is a special modifier which does enable utf8 characters in regular expressions. 15:11 hdl vfernandes: could you file a bug, attach a record you want to edit and what you ask as edition... In order to debug that ? 15:20 moodaepo ptfs-- # sigh. again. 15:21 moodaepo bywater++ 15:21 mbalmer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPj0qgvfIs 15:21 wizzyrea moodaepo: what'd I miss. 15:21 moodaepo Partner_Libraries++ 15:22 moodaepo wizzyrea: rangi posted an update to the copyright fiasco http://library-matters.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/update-2-on-nz-koha-trademark.html 15:22 wizzyrea ohh 15:22 * wizzyrea reads 15:23 mbalmer great technology, and fun, even if you don't know spanish well ;) 15:23 oleonard http://koha-community.org/update-2-nz-koha-trademark-situation/#comments 15:23 wizzyrea gotcha 15:24 paul_p and another patch pushed with a mistake... phew... not my day today... 15:24 oleonard Did PTFS need to be shamed into responding, or are they just bad with deadlines? :P 15:24 wizzyrea which? 15:24 moodaepo oleonard++ 15:25 * chris_n loves being spam'd by git.kc.org :-) 15:25 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6964' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c24b7653ba6d54ba54b592f70f9b79f633aef3af> / Bug 6964 follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e4cd0ada310532d3a9365429433711a7b3abd10> 15:25 paul_p bug 7190 had a syntax error in paycollect, seems noone tested it ! 15:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7190 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , written off fines being refunded 15:25 mbalmer what/who is PTFS? 15:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #609: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/609/ 15:25 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7148 - Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match Cataloging's 15:25 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6488 adding a 2nd \n to silence logs 15:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7148 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match Cataloging's 15:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , opachiddenitems not working in master 15:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #610 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 17 h ago) 15:26 chris_n paul_p: all the more reason to run the complete test suite before pushing up ;-) 15:26 wizzyrea mbalmer - they are a US company that supports a fork of Koha 15:26 * chris_n runs away 15:26 mbalmer ah, thos guys owning the koha.org domain name? 15:26 wizzyrea yep 15:26 oleonard mbalmer: And seeking a trademark on "Koha" in New Zealand. 15:27 paul_p mbalmer => http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2011-February/027657.html 15:27 mbalmer I found that situation quite strange, was first on their site 15:27 * paul_p should bookmark this mail... 15:27 mbalmer oh, that is really bad taste 15:27 wizzyrea *nod* 15:27 mbalmer I am sitting in a Koha workshop right now ;) 15:27 wizzyrea :) 15:28 paul_p chris_n = the test suite doesn't complain for any of the 3 patches that resulted in a follow-up today 15:28 paul_p http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastUnstableBuild/testReport/ 15:29 * paul_p not that wrong ;-) 15:29 wizzyrea paul_p: i got your mail re: password - gimme just a min 15:29 * mbalmer rushes to register biblibre as a trademark in .ch 15:29 paul_p wizzyrea thanks ! 15:29 * mbalmer likes that name so much! 15:30 chris_n paul_p: who QA'd? 15:30 * mbalmer ;) 15:30 paul_p chris_n me 15:31 wizzyrea mbalmer: statements like that are especially raw-nerve - lest someone think you are serious (even though I'm sure you're not) 15:31 mbalmer I am swiss and usually cynical when making such comments. you should see the smile on my face right now ;) 15:31 wizzyrea :) 15:31 mbalmer of course I am not serious about that. 15:32 mbalmer you should know that I am a 100% open source person.. 15:32 wizzyrea not mad, just sayin. 15:35 hdl chris_n: and when you have a 45 minutes testing plan... You are not really keen on running it on every merge. 15:35 chris_n hdl: we've had that discussion; koha's test plan takes less than 5 min to run 15:35 paul_p chris_n ??? 15:35 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. 15:35 * chris_n runs it before *every* push to the main repo 15:36 chris_n t, t/db_dependent, and xt 15:36 wizzyrea I've been running it before (most, at the moment) of my recent signoffs 15:36 kf it's fast on my laptop too 15:36 wizzyrea and comparing it to jenkins 15:36 wizzyrea takes, maybe a couple of minutes? 15:36 wizzyrea t, t/db_dependent, and xt 15:36 chris_n time tells it all 15:37 paul_p chris_n which command do you run exactly ? (/me will try it on my laptop) 15:37 chris_n om 15:37 wizzyrea I run prove t t/db_dependent xt 15:38 * chris_n does the same 15:38 chris_n timing it now 15:38 * paul_p timing it as well 15:38 hdl chris_n: i can't remember discussing that with you. 15:38 kf hdl: I think it was discussed on a meeting 15:38 kf iirc 15:38 chris_n hdl: sorry; "we" meaning us on irc :) 15:41 chris_n real 2m46.855s 15:41 chris_n user 0m55.140s 15:41 chris_n sys 0m10.412s 15:41 chris_n cnighs@erasmus:~/koha.3.2.test (3.6.x)$ 15:41 * wizzyrea gets similar results 15:42 wizzyrea Files=124, Tests=4599, 73 wallclock secs ( 2.80 usr 0.51 sys + 66.22 cusr 5.57 csys = 75.10 CPU) 15:42 * oleonard gets "Bailout called. Further testing stopped: ***** PROBLEMS LOADING FILE 'C4::Labels'" 15:42 wizzyrea oh you need modern-perl-perl 15:42 paul_p Files=125, Tests=6536, 126 wallclock secs ( 2.53 usr 1.42 sys + 79.08 cusr 5.57 csys = 88.60 CPU) 15:42 paul_p Result: FAIL 15:42 paul_p real 2m6.092s 15:42 paul_p user 1m21.749s 15:42 paul_p sys 0m7.024s 15:43 kf wizzyrea: do you run the db dependant tests on your test database? 15:43 wizzyrea yep 15:43 wizzyrea I have a special db that I use when I refresh my test DB 15:43 chris_n kf: running on live data is not recommended ;-) 15:43 kf meh 15:43 wizzyrea that has all of the stuff in it for tests 15:43 kf you know what I meant :) 15:43 kf wizzyrea: was that the one you had attached to the bug? 15:44 chris_n kf: it should pass over the sample data now 15:44 kf or simpler question - can I download it somewhere? :) 15:44 wizzyrea yes - and I actually have one with real bibs in it thanks to magnuse (I borrowed his bibs) 15:44 wizzyrea yes, you can 15:44 wizzyrea it may be on the bug, sec 15:44 wizzyrea but yea, they should pass on the sample data 15:44 wizzyrea well 15:44 wizzyrea no 15:44 wizzyrea that's not true 15:44 wizzyrea you have to have 15:44 wizzyrea and these are in the bug 15:44 wizzyrea let me just find it 15:44 kf i have to have? 15:45 * chris_n thinks that the db_dependent tests should always pass over the sample data 15:45 wizzyrea im just going to find the bug, I made notes 15:45 chris_n this allows for a common standard 15:45 wizzyrea they should, but the sample data doesn't, for example, come with a serial subscription 15:45 chris_n we should patch the sample data 15:45 wizzyrea because it comes with no bibs 15:45 wizzyrea chris_n: I think 15:45 wizzyrea what we really should do 15:45 wizzyrea is add a sub-section of sample data 15:45 * chris_n holds his breath 15:46 kf yep 15:46 wizzyrea "developer test data" 15:46 chris_n good idea 15:46 kf patrons and libraries would go in there too 15:46 paul_p wizzyrea it seems you haven't tested my sandbox system yet (I recieve a mail everytime someone request something) 15:46 chris_n or "data to run db_dep tests over" 15:46 chris_n but yes 15:46 chris_n very good idea 15:46 wizzyrea paul_p: I couldn't find the page to request the instance? 15:46 paul_p sample database++ 15:46 chris_n and a "one-click" install option for it 15:46 kf paul_p: same here - no link on the wiki page :) 15:47 paul_p wizzyrea i've rewritten the wiki page, it should be more clear now 15:47 wizzyrea ohhhh 15:47 paul_p kf same thing ;-) 15:47 wizzyrea cool! 15:47 wizzyrea i will check it again :D 15:47 chris_n instead of having to click lots of tiny square check boxes 15:47 wizzyrea yes, that 15:47 kf I don't get a mail when someon changes the wiki page ;) 15:47 paul_p kf you don't have a RSS feed on it ? 15:47 wizzyrea paul_p: thanks for following up, i was looking for a project 15:47 kf paul_p: nope 15:48 kf I killed my feed reader some time ago...and found it frees up a lot of time 15:48 wizzyrea ok right, finding bug 15:48 * chris_n has plans to fixup his release-rolling script to refuse to roll a release if the test suite fails 15:49 chris_n ok, back to fixing a few backup issues 15:50 wizzyrea bug 7333 15:50 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Master , Cleaning up tests to use sample data 15:50 kf thx liz :) 15:50 wizzyrea now, however. 15:50 wizzyrea one caveat 15:50 wizzyrea I think that particular db has some strange settings in it 15:51 wizzyrea which don't matter for testing 15:51 wizzyrea but do matter for, say, functional testing 15:51 kf but I don't want to use it for testing? 15:51 kf I think I get what you mean :) 15:52 mbalmer what again is the (technical) reason that Koha does not use mod_perl? 15:52 wizzyrea I have one in my git repo, as well, that I'm trying to keep up to date with what I'm currently using (and current master) 15:52 kf I think something about circular dependencies 15:52 wizzyrea keyword - trying 15:52 paul_p mbalmer = no-one ever proved it worked well 15:52 wizzyrea but it has less stupid settings. 15:52 mbalmer paul_p, so that could be an experiment, too. 15:53 mbalmer are you aware of any problems with mod_perl? 15:53 paul_p mbalmer yep. And during the hackfest there will be a group working on Plack as well. Plack and mod_perl should have the same kind of problem 15:53 kf wizzyrea: git repo for sql dump... that is an interesting idea 15:53 mbalmer what is Plack? 15:53 wahanui somebody said Plack was working quite nice. 15:53 paul_p mbalmer we have Lyon 3 university running OPAC under plack. So it works 15:54 paul_p mbalmer http://plackperl.org/ 15:56 mbalmer cool, never heard of that before. that should give a nice performance boost (the librarians here claim that Koha is quite slow, but then we run on a slow machine atm) 15:56 hdl mbalmer: problems of memory consumption... 15:57 hdl mbalmer: and also because zebra is sometimes not responsive to requests because of ZOOM implementation... 16:02 mbalmer ok, thanks. 16:07 wizzyrea who here likes jing/screencast? 16:07 reiveune bye 16:07 wizzyrea and another question, those of you on linux, what's your favorite screen capture tool 16:07 wizzyrea i'm going nuts without my jing on linux. 16:07 hdl wizzyrea: I like screencasting... but in that domain I am a believer, and not practitioner 16:07 kf I think mine is shatter 16:08 kf shutter? 16:08 kf I have it set up so it uploads to my ftp account 16:08 kf and gives me the url to paste 16:08 kf only does screenshots I think 16:09 hdl ask clrh. iirc last time we screencasted something, was recordMyDesktop or xvidcap 16:09 kf @wunder Konstanz 16:09 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -8.0�C (5:00 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 16:10 hdl http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ 16:11 hdl there was screentoaster. 16:12 hdl But maybe screencast.com works. 16:15 edveal Anyone have any ideas as to why the "Location" column in the OPAC would be empty for all items when the "Location" column is fine in the staff client? 16:15 clrh yep I use recordmydesktop simpe and efficient 16:16 hdl thanks clrh 16:16 kf bye all :) 16:17 hdl wizzyrea: if you search a commercial solution :http://www.qarbon.com/ 16:18 wizzyrea hdl: i'd go for about anything at the moment :) 16:18 * paul_p discover that my pre-commit hook was wrong, otherwise the bug 6964 wouldn't have been pushed. 16:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' 16:18 * paul_p does some tests again... 16:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #610: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/610/ 16:19 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6210 follow-up, removing warn 16:19 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6964 follow-up 16:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Choose framework on Merge 16:22 chris_n paul_p++ # for lots of hard work :) 16:22 paul_p FYI all = jenkins is unstable because of something wrong in the sample dataset. rangi sent me a mail saying he will fix the DB 16:23 paul_p bad news = pre-commit & git-am / git-bz are not friends... 16:23 paul_p so you can git bz a bug that doesn't compile, a pre-commit checking that won't complain :'(((( 16:24 wizzyrea that seems right - a pre-commit would only catch something when you type "commit whatever.bla" 16:25 paul_p I LOVE git = there's always a solution = pre-applypatch 16:25 * paul_p checking immediatly ! 16:27 paul_p yeahhh !!!! 16:27 paul_p Applying: Bug 6964 - 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' 16:27 paul_p circ/circulation.pl syntax OK 16:27 paul_p members/boraccount.pl syntax OK 16:27 paul_p members/deletemem.pl syntax OK 16:27 paul_p members/mancredit.pl syntax OK 16:27 paul_p members/maninvoice.pl syntax OK 16:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' 16:27 paul_p members/member-flags.pl syntax OK 16:27 paul_p members/member-password.pl syntax OK 16:27 paul_p "my" variable @issuedata masks earlier declaration in same scope at members/moremember.pl line 260. 16:27 paul_p members/moremember.pl syntax OK 16:27 paul_p members/notices.pl syntax OK 16:28 wizzyrea :D 16:28 paul_p members/pay.pl syntax OK 16:28 paul_p syntax error at members/paycollect.pl line 141, near "$total_due 16:28 paul_p activeBorrowerRelationship" 16:28 paul_p members/paycollect.pl had compilation errors. 16:28 paul_p members/readingrec.pl syntax OK 16:28 paul_p Are you sure you want to commit ? 16:28 paul_p You can commit with the --no-verify argument 16:28 paul_p Patch left in /tmp/SIGNED-OFF-Bug-6964---Add-child-function-should-be-B23185.patch 16:28 paul_p did I say I LOVE git ? 16:28 paul_p (mail to koha-devel on the way ;-) ) 16:28 wizzyrea we should start a "git-fu" wiki page 16:28 wizzyrea to share varying types of workflows 16:29 paul_p git-fu ? 16:29 wizzyrea I'm a XXX - I do it this way: 16:29 wizzyrea where xxx is release manager, developer, tester 16:29 wizzyrea like kung fu 16:29 wizzyrea only with git 16:29 hdl mmm... this should be in developer's corner. 16:29 hdl Dev environment... 16:30 hdl where ppl could share vim templates. 16:30 wizzyrea ya 16:30 wizzyrea isn't that always the hardest part for new people though? 16:30 trea git -fu - tiger style! /whooosh 16:30 fredpierre what about a project management interface 16:30 fredpierre like project open or 16:30 wizzyrea @quote add trea: git-fu --tiger style /whooosh 16:30 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #186 added. 16:31 hdl wizzyrea: ? 16:31 wizzyrea fred - elaborate 16:31 wizzyrea hdl: it's a funny 16:32 wizzyrea i suspect it would be funnier to people who had an interest in chinese martial arts films. 16:32 slef errr that isn't what fu often means 16:32 slef as in fubar, snafu, ... 16:32 wizzyrea not this particular usage, no 16:33 slef I suspect the other sort is about as common with git ;-) 16:33 paul_p we have http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git, maybe a chapter about "git tip & tricks" ? 16:33 wizzyrea or "common workflows" 16:33 wizzyrea hehe slef, you're probably right 16:33 fredpierre i worked with project open for a while - the interface allows you to create teams for projects, with timelines and flowcharts 16:34 fredpierre another approach might be a mind-mapping interface 16:34 fredpierre then you get the flowcharts built in 16:34 paul_p that's not a workflow, that's a how to avoid doint commits that does not compile ! 16:34 paul_p maybe a git_howto then ? 16:34 paul_p git_QA ? 16:35 paul_p will go for git_howto unless someone object 16:35 fredpierre i would benefit a lot from more git info - im reading pro git 16:35 paul_p or git_faq ... 16:35 fredpierre always worried a pull might destroy my development/production build 16:35 paul_p maybe git_faq is the best 16:36 wizzyrea fredpierre: did you see our lovely git info? 16:36 wizzyrea version control using git? 16:36 wahanui i guess version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 16:36 wizzyrea git bz? 16:36 wahanui git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 16:36 fredpierre thanks - I will look at that! :) 16:36 wizzyrea also fredpierre I was going to have a look at your mobile stuff today - or maybe tomorrow 16:36 trea fyi slef kungfu literally translates as "human achievement" so in this context it's entirely appropriate - the term itself doesn't imply a martial context. 16:37 trea just saying 16:37 fredpierre I did manage to post my repository of koha mobile to gitorious - http://gitorious.org/koha-mobile-web#more 16:37 fredpierre Hope I got it all up there 16:37 wizzyrea fredpierre: I'm sure it did :) 16:38 trea that's my non sequitur for the day. enjoy. 16:38 fredpierre trea++! 16:38 fredpierre what does Tai Chi mean? 16:39 oleonard slow motion dancing in the park. 16:39 trea The term t'ai chi ch'uan translates as "supreme ultimate fist", "boundless fist", "great extremes boxing", or simply "the ultimate". 16:39 trea thanks wikipedia 16:39 trea :P 16:40 fredpierre I have used FreeMind for project organization - don't know if it would apply here - it makes very cool flowcharts. 16:44 slef trea: yeah, now look up what snafu and fubar translate as... I prefer English acronyms over foreign language islands in English but maybe that's just how my brain works and no-one else will think it is a bad thing. 16:44 trea i know what the terms mean slef 16:44 trea suffice to say they are at polar ends of the spectrum 16:44 slef trea: well, I know what kung fu means and that didn't stop you ;) 16:44 trea lol 16:44 trea point taken 16:47 slef and back to books http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/epic-win-photos-win-serving-all-customers-win.jpg 16:54 slef Ooh this is a fun question. Can Koha checkout by partial barcode? 16:54 oleonard How would it do that? 16:54 slef I think that would be equivalent to going from "Search the catalogue" to checking out an item from that screen. 16:54 oleonard Load a list of matches and let you choose? 16:54 slef oleonard: that would be one way, yes 16:55 wizzyrea what situation are we trying to accommodate for/ 16:55 wizzyrea "I remember it had a 1 at the end?" 16:55 wizzyrea "somewhere in the middle there was a 234" 16:55 slef I think part of their stock has shelfmark barcodes instead of callnumbers. 16:55 wizzyrea Ahhh 16:56 slef Joys of libraries originally set up by volunteers. 16:56 wizzyrea oic 16:57 slef I really can't see how to go from a search result to a checkout. Am I being dense? 16:58 slef I can place hold but not checkout. 16:58 oleonard You're right slef, there's not a way to do that 16:58 wizzyrea I don't think that there is a way to do that 16:59 * magnuse was looking for that the other day too 16:59 wizzyrea I definitely can see usefulness for that feature 17:00 slef so what would we prefer: a button alongside place hold, or on the item detail screen, or something else? 17:00 wizzyrea well it would have to be per item, right? 17:00 wizzyrea one thing that is cool, owen's search to hold thing already has the last borrower 17:01 wizzyrea already knows it 17:01 oleonard Right, you could try to lump those two functions together somehow 17:01 oleonard ..although "Search to hold or check out" is a little cumbersome :| 17:02 slef it depends if they want a particular item, or just any 17:02 slef similar to hold I think 17:02 slef the other way I was just looking was if I could check out the cart 17:02 slef but of course, the cart holds biblios not items 17:02 slef so that's probably a non-starter 17:03 wizzyrea could the cart be modified to hold items? 17:03 wizzyrea that kind of makes sense to me 17:03 wizzyrea at least on the staff side, not so much on the opac. 17:04 slef a checkout-now button on koha/reserve/request.pl might work 17:04 slef but then the button would need a label of "Hold/Checkout" which may also be cumbersome 17:05 fredpierre we do a partial barcode search - I think it is kohaextras 17:05 oleonard Whether it's the basket or the search to hold the problem is still that it's biblio-level 17:06 slef oleonard: I thought you could hold a particular item? 17:06 fredpierre otherwise you would have to copy the barcode over hmmm 17:06 slef kohaextras? 17:06 fredpierre you could hold it, but it won't come up in checkout if you don't scan it 17:06 oleonard what I mean is that if you wanted a link on the search results page that said "check out to this patron" like there is "hold for this patron" you'd have a problem 17:07 slef oic 17:07 fredpierre kohaextras are up on sourceforge as an addition to koha - you have to create links to the various functions 17:07 slef kohaextras? 17:07 wahanui kohaextras are up on sourceforge as an addition to koha - you have to create links to the various functions 17:07 slef :) 17:07 slef thank you fredpierre 17:08 slef ok sorry where on sourceforge? 17:08 fredpierre the specific kohaextra script we use is kohabib.php - does a biblio search 17:08 fredpierre by title, author, or isbn number 17:09 slef ah right... php won't integrate easily 17:09 fredpierre that's true - we actually run it on a separate server, but could run on the koha server 17:11 fredpierre there has to be a way to do this using our custom reports function, then add it in as a tool for circ 17:12 fredpierre http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohastowextras/ 17:12 fredpierre It's the kohabib.php - could be translated to create a custom report? 17:13 collum The checkout functionality and partial barcodes sound like a library that came over from Horizon. 17:13 collum When you are at a bib in Horizon you can press F10 17:13 fredpierre oops sorry its actually the kohabarcode.php script that does it 17:13 collum for a list of options in which to send the barcode. 17:14 collum Checkout being one of them. 17:14 collum Partial barcodes are done with a barcode suffix. 17:15 collum All of our barcodes start with the same 5 numbers, have padded 0s, and then a unique identifier. 17:15 wizzyrea collum: I've been enjoying signing off on your patches :) 17:15 collum Thanks for signing them off. :-) 17:16 fredpierre $query = "select * from biblio, items 17:16 fredpierre where items.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber and items.barcode LIKE '%".$barcode."%' 17:16 fredpierre order by items.location , items.itemcallnumber limit 0,100"; 17:16 wizzyrea collum: love those test plans <3 17:16 wizzyrea makes it soooo easy 17:17 collum NP 17:19 slef collum: that might explain how they've got away without fixing the barcode workflow long enough for their collection to get so big. 17:20 cait hi #koha 17:22 oleonard wizzyrea: If you love test plans then try Bug 3215 17:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , It would be nice if "Add to Cart" changed to "Remove from Cart" 17:24 wizzyrea ooo 17:24 wizzyrea will do right after this one I'm doing right now 17:25 cait wizzyrea++ 17:25 cait you are great :) 17:25 cait we should tell you more often 17:25 wizzyrea oh sheesh. no where near as great as most of you, but thank you 17:27 hdl koha extra reminds me of kohaplus... 17:28 hdl http://sourceforge.net/projects/koha-plus/ 17:28 paul_p time to leave for me... 17:28 * collum was on the phone. Not suffix, prefix. Doh! The prefix for borrower barcode and item barcode is defined in the admin parameters. 17:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #611 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 19 h ago) 17:37 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7190' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8dc85214be45b760e62b95169f67068f213e2d68> / bug_7190: Do not reverse writeoffs when item is returned <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b092f0e2784c3ea82f48fe8a6660d54a3fe6119> 17:41 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:41 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.8�C (6:39 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Steady). 17:42 drojf1 @wunder berlin, germany 17:42 huginn` drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -6.6�C (6:13 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037.1 hPa (Steady). 17:42 drojf1 omg its warmer :) 17:43 drojf1 kde says -8° though 17:43 cait hi drojf1 :) 17:43 drojf1 hi cait :) 17:43 drojf1 nice weather you got there ;) 17:44 cait I am still thawing from my walk home 17:44 cait how is your import script doing? 17:44 magnuse @wunder boo 17:44 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0�C (6:20 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa (Steady). 17:45 magnuse windchill-- 17:45 drojf1 great! major step forward yesterday. after ~13h of work, until 1:30 in the morning :D 17:45 drojf1 how did the upgrade go? 17:45 cait ouch 17:45 cait totally smooth 17:45 cait all we got so far was: yes, turn that feature on plz! and 'we love the new fast add workflow!' 17:46 drojf1 magnuse: bodø is warmer than i remember it :D 17:46 cait :) 17:46 drojf1 cait: that's good to hear 17:46 cait so many good reasons to love koha :) 17:46 drojf1 i dont even remember what version is on my test install. have to upgrade before the import 17:47 drojf1 and redo our changes in tt 17:47 drojf1 and really learn git 17:47 drojf1 so i never have to do them egain 17:47 cait apart from that it should be no problem I think 17:47 drojf1 *again 17:47 magnuse drojf1: the windchill makes it colder than it looks... 17:50 drojf1 yeah, we had windchill around that here the last days. i took a walk for half an hour a few days ago and my face almost fell off afterwards. no fun 17:50 * cait nods 17:51 cait winter has arrived finally 17:51 drojf1 i actually ordered a buff after that walk and it just arrived 17:52 drojf1 i like winter. in general. but after the hot christmas last year i was already in spring mood :( 17:53 cait yeah 17:53 drojf1 "hot" 17:53 cait same here 17:57 slef the USA will have 6 more weeks of winter. A rodent told them. 17:58 * chris_n has yet to see winter in the USA 17:58 collum That's what I was about to say. 17:59 chris_n and I have my opinion of rodents 17:59 oleonard @wunder 45701 17:59 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 7.0�C (12:50 PM EST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady). 18:01 wizzyrea paul_p++ that tester thingie is neato 18:03 oleonard tester thingie? 18:04 wizzyrea yea 18:04 wizzyrea sec 18:04 wizzyrea http://pro.test5.biblibre.com/ test:test 18:06 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes 18:07 wizzyrea catalogue.test5.biblibre.com 18:07 wizzyrea for that particular bug. 18:08 oleonard Needs some sample biblio data eh? 18:10 slef chris_n: dirty rats? 18:10 chris_n that's getting there :) 18:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #611: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/611/ 18:25 jenkins_koha srdjan: bug_7190: Do not reverse writeoffs when item is returned 18:28 slef I love the title on bug 922 18:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=922 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, koha.upgrade produces password error when upgrading MARC tables 18:28 slef wrong 18:29 slef bug 6922 18:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6922 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , staff should be able to have children 18:30 * magnuse grumbles about staff who want to have it all... 18:33 cait lol 18:33 cait magnuse: I would think you could just have a staff and a normal account 18:34 cait and I can even think of some good reasons for that 18:35 magnuse that would be too easy! 18:37 slef http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/11/welsh-road-sign/ 18:39 magnuse slef: that's epic! 18:39 slef what would people think to a checkout button under where it says "Available" on the item table in catalogue/detail.pl ? 18:40 slef I think it needs some intense refactoring in circ/circulation.pl though. 18:42 cait what is the use case? 18:42 wahanui somebody said the use case was multiple callnumbers sequences (implemented in table) which should trigger increment on save to prevent gaps in ranges 18:42 cait not sure I understand 18:42 magnuse wahanui: forget the use case 18:42 wahanui magnuse: I forgot use case 18:43 slef cait: books without barcodes *sigh* 18:43 cait slef: a checkout button sounds dangerous to me 18:43 cait ah 18:43 cait well... no check then that you are really on the right page 18:43 cait and have the right item... 18:43 cait or have a book to checkout on the desk at all 18:44 slef they have the book in front of them 18:44 slef they claim not to care tracking copies between circulations (I know I know) 18:45 cait what's so bad about having barcodes? 18:46 slef they are where they are... many books, shelfmarks labelled on them but not barcoded 18:46 slef the other option is to provide it as a fallback search like in bug 1081 18:46 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1081 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW , Checkout should fall back on patron card search if item barcode not found 18:46 cait hm 18:47 cait and what would you fall back on? 18:47 * jcamins_away looks in to see if he's missed anything. 18:47 slef and only checkout if it uniquely identifies the book 18:47 cait ah 18:47 cait fall back on th eshelf mark? 18:47 slef enteredBarcode% or shelfmark or title-stem 18:47 cait why not just move the shelf marks into the barcode fields? 18:47 slef multiple copies of some 18:47 cait or use the nice new fast add feature :) 18:48 slef barcodes must be unique, musn't they? 18:48 cait yes 18:48 jcamins_away Oh, I love libraries like that. 18:49 magnuse @quote get 123 18:49 huginn` magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 18:49 slef living with the legacy! yeah, rock on! 18:53 slef marc21? 18:53 wahanui marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html 18:57 slef hi nengard! 18:57 nengard howdy 19:07 slef nengard: you ever seen a library wanting to checkout by shelfmark? 19:07 jcamins_away [off] 'Cause we all *totally* have time to do a video tutorial outlining the Koha installation. 19:07 jcamins_away slef: I have. 19:07 jcamins_away slef: that's very common, actualy. 19:07 slef jcamins_away: so any reason it's not in koha yet? 19:07 slef or just lack of time? 19:08 jcamins_away slef: not enough toits. ;) 19:08 oleonard-away What is it with people and video tutorials? I would much rather read instructions. 19:08 jcamins_away I usually just push for putting the shelfmark in the barcode field, and assign new shelfmarks to duplicates. 19:09 jcamins_away Since the alternative is generally paying to have the feature developed, most libraries decide to do that. 19:10 nengard slef is the shelfmark the call number? 19:10 nengard if so - no 19:10 nengard I have had libraries ask to be able to do it by title though 19:11 jcamins_away slef: it's usually done by historic libraries. 19:12 slef this library asked for title as another fallback! 19:12 jcamins_away Okay, that seems a bit excessive. 19:12 jcamins_away (using both) 19:12 slef oh I think it was either/or 19:13 slef can we have this, if not can we have that 19:13 jcamins_away Got it. 19:13 jcamins_away That makes sense. 19:18 nengard the way it would have to work in Koha is that you can search by title on the checkout page and then maybe Koha lets you enter a barcode for that item before you check it out - cause barcode is required for checking out 19:19 jcamins_away slef: wait, didn't eythian do a patch for this? 19:19 jcamins_away I think he did recently. 19:21 slef jcamins_away: ooh any idea where? 19:21 slef logs? 19:21 wahanui logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 19:21 cait hm 19:22 cait I think he did some work on checking out withoug cardnumbers 19:22 cait not sure about chekcing out without item barcodes 19:22 jcamins_away cait: oh, that might be it. 19:22 cait another 123 thing 19:22 slef 123 thing? 19:22 jcamins_away bug 1081 19:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1081 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW , Checkout should fall back on patron card search if item barcode not found 19:22 jcamins_away @quote get 123 19:22 huginn` jcamins_away: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 19:23 slef 123 thing is <reply> @quote get 123 19:23 slef 123 thing? 19:23 wahanui @quote get 123 19:23 huginn` wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 19:23 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... 19:26 slef Bug 7494 Submitted 19:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7494 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Use partial barcode or callnumber as a fallback for the barcode search in checkout 19:45 fredpierre SELECT * FROM biblio a INNER JOIN items b WHERE b.biblionumber = a.biblionumber AND b.barcode LIKE '%9002811064%'; 19:47 fredpierre I know we can input to the reports generator using code like <<input | authority>> but could we input a barcode? 19:47 wizzyrea sure 19:47 wizzyrea <<Enter barcode>> 19:47 wizzyrea should do it 19:47 fredpierre Thanks! 19:48 wizzyrea which makes me think of a FAQ 19:48 wizzyrea ...that I should add. 19:59 oleonard Whoops, forgot to /back 19:59 * oleonard did not in fact just stagger in from a three-martini lunch 20:00 wizzyrea mhm 20:03 Space_Librarian morning #koha 20:04 wizzyrea hi! 20:04 cait morning Space_Librarian 20:04 * Space_Librarian waves to cait and wizzyrea 20:05 fredpierre Can anybody tell me why this is not working when I paste it into SQL reports? 20:05 fredpierre SELECT * FROM biblio a INNER JOIN items b ON b.biblionumber = a.biblionumber AND b.barcode LIKE '%<<Enter barcode>>%' ORDER BY b.location LIMIT 0,10; 20:06 fredpierre For partial barcode search - it works when I use SQLYog 20:06 fredpierre I am pasting it into the Koha interface under Reports tool 20:06 wizzyrea LIKE <<Enter barcode, example: %partial%>> 20:06 jcamins_away fredpierre: it adds spaces. 20:06 wizzyrea and quotes 20:06 Brooke hi Kathryn 20:06 jcamins_away I think. 20:07 Space_Librarian Morning kathryn 20:07 Space_Librarian morning Brooke 20:07 wizzyrea hi kathryn :) 20:07 wizzyrea fredpierre: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/reports.html#customreport 20:07 wizzyrea that should help explain 20:08 Brooke morena, madame 20:08 kathryn Space_Librarian and wizzyrea good morning! 20:08 * Space_Librarian waves 20:08 kathryn and a good morning to all! 20:08 cait good morning kathryn :) 20:08 * kathryn hopes it's a happy wave! 20:09 Space_Librarian 'tis 20:09 kathryn hi cait, happy friday! 20:09 kathryn phew! 20:09 Space_Librarian just ironing out wrinkles now. 20:09 Space_Librarian let me know when eythian is in - I need to check something with him. But otherwise all good. 20:10 cait kathryn: still thursday evening here :) 20:10 oleonard Right, some of us may still not make it! 20:14 kathryn oh yeah! he he bit of schoolboy error there 20:17 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:17 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -8.0�C (9:00 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). 20:18 oleonard Brrr. 20:19 cait yeah :( 20:19 chris_n @wunder 28334 20:19 huginn` chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 20.0�C (3:15 PM EST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 20:19 chris_n and they call that "winter" 20:19 cait good night #koha 20:19 Brooke night 20:19 wizzyrea pff that isn't winter 20:19 chris_n g'night 20:19 wizzyrea gnite cait 20:19 cait :) 20:19 * chris_n would trade with cait 20:19 Brooke wahanui friday? 20:19 wahanui well, friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday 20:19 cait and I would trade with you :) 20:20 jcamins_away @wunder 11375 20:20 huginn` jcamins_away: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 6.1�C (3:02 PM EST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa. 20:20 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks 20:20 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 16.7�C (2:19 PM CST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady). 20:20 wizzyrea that is nuts. 20:20 oleonard Whoa. 20:20 * Brooke pictures Owen as Keanu Reeves. 20:21 * oleonard laments that he is more 'Day the Earth Stood Still' Keanu than 'Matrix' Keanu 20:31 fredpierre I still can't get this partial barcode search working from custom reports. Any ideas? 20:31 fredpierre SELECT biblio.title FROM biblio LEFT JOIN items ON items.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber WHERE items.barcode LIKE '%90028110%' ORDER BY items.location LIMIT 0,10; 20:32 fredpierre Oh, now it is working. 20:32 * chris_n likes those sort of problems :) 20:32 fredpierre guess I had a typo or something... 20:34 fredpierre it's when I add the <<Enter partial barcode>> that i run into problems 20:35 fredpierre Of course I am putting it into the string comparison '%<<Enter partial barcode>>%' maybe that's the problem 20:35 jcamins_away Yes, you can't do that. 20:35 jcamins_away It needs to be <<Enter barcode like %90028110%>> 20:35 chris_n I'm having requests for the capability to track item usage notes 20:36 chris_n said notes should be entered on checkout 20:36 fredpierre thanks jcamins! 20:36 chris_n and searchable 20:36 jcamins_away chris_n: you can't use private notes? 20:37 chris_n lemme give a usage case and we'll see 20:37 chris_n this is to be used for the circulation of A/V materials by faculty with a view toward avoiding repeat showings/listenings in too close time proximity 20:38 chris_n so there needs to be a "history" of sorts of usage 20:38 chris_n but more than time/date stamps 20:38 jcamins_away Ah. 20:38 jcamins_away So, no, not at all what I was envisioning. 20:38 chris_n sort of an academic thing 20:38 * chris_n wonders if there would be any larger interest in such a feature 20:39 jcamins_away What about a report that shows items that have been checked out more than N times in a certain time period by a single person? 20:40 chris_n jcamins_away: that might work except person_a might have used the material for class_a, class_b, etc. 20:40 jcamins_away chris_n: how would they know which class it was for at all? 20:40 chris_n that's the problem exactly 20:40 jcamins_away But, how do they know with the notes, either? 20:41 chris_n right now, its a... paper log... :-/ 20:41 jcamins_away So they ask, and write it down? 20:41 oleonard Google Doc? :P 20:43 chris_n yes 20:43 chris_n sorry, phone 20:43 chris_n they write it down 20:43 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now 20:43 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now 20:43 chris_n I've suggested the google doc 20:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #612 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 22 h ago) 20:44 chris_n no-go 20:44 chris_n so... I think I'll have to code up such a feature 20:45 chris_n we have a huge A/V library and they are wanting me to code up a crosswalk so that Koha can write mp3 tags and such 20:45 jcamins_away That's kind of cool. 20:45 * chris_n has been running from this for a looong time 20:45 jcamins_away Not sure what the use is, but it sounds cool. 20:45 chris_n but its about to catch me :) 20:46 chris_n jcamins_away: we catalog in-house recordings in Koha 20:46 jcamins_away chris_n: ah. 20:46 chris_n so generating mp3 tags from the data entered would be very handy and time reducing 20:47 Brooke interessante 20:47 chris_n single-point data entry 20:47 chris_n also having koha retrieve mp3 headers for new audio media publicly available would be nice as well 20:47 chris_n sorta like your mp3 player does 20:49 * chris_n is trying to keep from having to support a completely separate in-house application 20:49 Brooke just don't make it sort and search like my mp3 player ;) 20:49 chris_n hmm 20:49 chris_n imagine 20:49 oleonard Good idea, let's build OpenOffice into Koha so that we can write books as we catalog ;) 20:49 chris_n plug up your mp3 player to your local koha and "check out" a playlist 20:49 * Brooke won't be happy until everything is rolled into Koha 20:50 cjh Koha OS ? 20:50 chris_n lol 20:50 * oleonard hands SevenofNine her official jumpsuit 20:51 chris_n well, with a large audio library of, say, class lectures, using Koha to index and provide search capabilities makes a powerful resource 20:52 chris_n using key words, topics, etc 20:53 chris_n the mp3 tag "thingy" could simply be a separate app which slurps data from koha's db 20:53 chris_n but the ability to track specific usage is probably best done as a function of circulation 20:54 jcamins_away chris_n: have your media server use SIP to record circulations? 20:54 chris_n there's a thought 20:55 jcamins_away Actually... 20:55 jcamins_away That's kind of a good idea. 20:55 Brooke bah, back to the drawing board for me. 20:55 chris_n I had suggested using RFID to handle circulation 20:56 jcamins_away chris_n: but you said they're digital recordings. 20:56 chris_n the vast majority are 20:56 jcamins_away chris_n: right, so RFID wouldn't work for that. 20:56 chris_n some are physical 20:56 chris_n ie CD/DVD/VHS/etc 20:57 jcamins_away Yeah, RFID for those makes sense. 21:06 rangi http://www.zotero.org/blog/zotero-3-0-is-here/ <-- very cool 21:06 wizzyrea oooh 21:06 wizzyrea nengard should be pleased :) 21:06 Space_Librarian morning rangi - all fine on the home front? 21:07 nengard OOOO 21:07 rangi getting better, 1 kid with my parents, one at school, hopefully laurel out of hospital today 21:07 wizzyrea getting_well++ 21:07 rangi so i have until around 2pm to do all the stuff i was gonna do to get ready for VALA next week 21:07 Space_Librarian *fingers crossed* Hope she's feeling better. 21:08 rangi including check we actually have a working koha on a laptop 21:08 rangi :) 21:08 rangi bad timing all round 21:08 Space_Librarian always fun times. 21:08 Space_Librarian yeah - interesting times. 21:09 rangi yup 21:09 rangi http://soundcloud.com/prettylights/we-must-go-on 21:11 * oleonard waves goodbye to #koha 21:11 wizzyrea byee! 21:11 rangi cya oleonard 21:11 jcamins_away Bye. 21:11 rangi wow 3 ppl got in ;) 21:11 wizzyrea I think he intentionally waits a few seconds now :) 21:11 jcamins_away I think so. 21:13 Space_Librarian lol 21:14 rangi wizzyrea takes an early lead 21:14 rangi 5 sign offs in feb already 21:14 rangi can anyone catch her? 21:15 nengard i can't get zotero to work with FF 10 21:15 jcamins_away nengard: time for the standalone version, I guess. 21:16 nengard i do have it 21:16 nengard but it's not as nice 21:16 jcamins_away nengard: at least it works, though, right? 21:16 nengard i can't figure out how to save the current webpage i'm on in the stand along version 21:16 nengard alone 21:17 rangi drojf1: this one is for you http://soundcloud.com/officialcasperxo/casper-x-cro-nie-auf 21:18 drojf1 rangi: how do i deserve a song? :) 21:19 rangi drojf1: by speaking german and a german song coming into my playlist? :-) 21:20 drojf1 i see :) 21:32 jcamins_away Wow! 21:33 jcamins_away "The library's online catalog will be unavailable from 1:00 pm on Friday, February 3 until Sunday, February 5 due to a system upgrade." 21:33 rangi what library is that? 21:33 jcamins_away That's a lot of downtime for a hosted system. 21:33 rangi yup 21:33 jcamins_away The Grolier Club. They use Virtua, I think. 21:34 magnus_afk yikes! 21:34 magnus_afk g'night #koha 21:34 wizzyrea oy! 21:38 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 21:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #612: FIXED in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/612/ 21:38 rangi yay 21:38 rangi at least i got one thing done this week 21:38 wizzyrea yippee! 21:39 jcamins_away Okay, time to turn into a pumpkin. 21:39 jcamins_away so long. 22:26 fredpierre Bravo! 22:28 fredpierre I'm following Guillaume, Jesse,kathryn and mib. Have a great day! 22:29 rangi cya fredpierre 22:29 wizzyrea hey what about me! 22:29 wizzyrea oh 22:29 wizzyrea wait 22:29 wizzyrea not on twitter. 22:29 rangi lol 22:29 wizzyrea :) 22:35 Space_Librarian hey BobB 23:07 rangi wizzyrea: 1328223203 - 1328223959 23:07 wahanui -756 23:07 wizzyrea pardon? 23:08 rangi ah ha 23:08 rangi If the timestamp is equal to stats(time - uptime) then the item have got an infinite expiration 23:08 rangi uptime 756 23:08 rangi so yeah, the caching of frameworks, its setting an infinite time 23:09 wizzyrea this explains catalogers. They have infinite time to be anal. 23:09 rangi heh 23:09 wizzyrea ba dum bum. :) 23:09 wizzyrea and bless em 23:10 wizzyrea lol what problem are you working on 23:10 rangi if you have memcached on 23:10 rangi and you change your framework, changes wont show 23:10 wizzyrea oooo 23:14 rangi hmmm 23:29 rangi ah ha! 23:30 rangi solved 23:33 rangi 1328225520 - 1328226103 23:33 wahanui -583 23:33 rangi yep thats got it 23:33 rangi i will send patches 23:36 rangi thats a nasty one 23:38 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=7426 23:38 rangi we were setting it in the wrong place, everything was being cached forever 23:41 rangi @later tell paul_p please look at bug 7432 23:41 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.