Time  Nick                  Message
01:52 jcamins               Hello kmkale.
01:52 kmkale                Namaste jcamins :)
01:53 jcamins               1633 was pushed today. :)
01:53 jcamins               Well, yesterday for you.
01:54 kmkale                YAY!!!
01:54 kmkale                Thanks jcamins
01:55 * jcamins             is very pleased about this.
01:57 kmkale                too
02:00 kmkale                status still shows siigned-off, not ppushed?
02:01 jcamins               That's the follow-up.
02:05 kmkale                wow. That was *SOME* work from you jcamins
02:05 kmkale                jcamins++
02:05 jcamins               :) I do my best.
02:05 kmkale                jcamins is the best
02:05 kmkale                jcamins?
02:05 wahanui               jcamins is an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or against all things wine.
02:05 kmkale                heh
02:06 kmkale                kmkale?
02:06 wahanui               kmkale may be psychic.
02:06 kmkale                :-D
02:06 jcamins               :)
03:13 kmkale                bbl
03:30 AmitG                 heya bag
03:30 bag                   yo AMit
03:30 bag                   AmitG:
03:34 libsysguy             hey somebody told me bywater was working on a project with serials
03:35 libsysguy             or maybe acquisitions
03:35 libsysguy             anybody know what the story is on that?
03:35 jcamins               libsysguy: BibLibre has a big acquisitions and serials project.
03:36 libsysguy             hmm
03:36 libsysguy             do you know if there is an RFC for it or a ticket?
03:36 jcamins               Don't know if ByWater has anything going on with those modules, but bag would know.
03:36 bag                   hmm… what project?
03:36 libsysguy             Margo was saying something about it...
03:36 AmitG                 heya jcamins
03:37 jcamins               Hi AmitG.
03:37 libsysguy             I am working on my senior project and there are some modifications or E-Resources librarian would like implemented
03:37 AmitG                 heya libsysguy
03:37 wahanui               i heard libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
03:37 libsysguy             hey AmitG!
03:37 bag                   go libsysguy++
03:38 libsysguy             and I just wanted to make sure what I was about to start working on wouldn't overlap
03:38 AmitG                 heya kmkale
03:39 kmkale                Namaste AmitG
03:39 bag                   libsysguy: is there a particular aspect that you are thinking of?
03:40 bag                   major developments that we've got working or hourly loans, print-slips, course reserves, and oclc connexion gateway
03:40 libsysguy             yeah: Ability to edit invoices, add an invoice date field, add invoice notes field, add functionality to batch receive items
03:40 libsysguy             those are listed as top priority for her
03:41 libsysguy             she has a document typed up
03:41 bag                   I don't think we are working on those…  IRC
03:42 libsysguy             ok cool, ill see if I can stalk some of the biblibre guys and make sure they aren't either
03:43 jcamins               Bug 7163.
03:43 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7163 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , BibLibre acquisitions omnibus
03:43 libsysguy             wow that is quite a ticket
03:43 libsysguy             thanks for finding that jcamins++
03:52 kmkale                Namaste bag :)
03:52 bag                   hey kmkale
03:52 bag                   :)
03:58 kmkale                getting a 'Can't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at  /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/SAX.pm
03:58 kmkale                any clue?
03:58 kmkale                happens while updating a item
03:59 kmkale                sorry adding an item
04:00 bag                   try about 13 more times and it works :)
04:00 bag                   no seriously - that happened to us today
04:14 kmkale                whaaaaa?
04:14 jcamins               kmkale: corrupted record.
04:14 jcamins               Probably an unclosed tag.
04:15 jcamins               Or a self-closing tag.
04:15 kmkale                jcamins: resolution? delete record from biblio and biblioitems?
04:15 jcamins               kmkale: that's the easy solution.
04:16 jcamins               The other option is fixing the record.
04:16 jcamins               The problem is in biblioitems.marcxml.
04:16 kmkale                ok. If it allows editing, will try ficing esle its easier to delete and recreate
04:17 kmkale                cold fingers. bad typing :(
04:17 libsysguy             @wunder 75707
04:17 huginn`               libsysguy: The current temperature in Lake Tyler -D3895, Tyler, Texas is 11.4�C (10:16 PM CST on January 24, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
04:17 jcamins               kmkale: in order to fix the record, you'll probably have to extract the XML from biblioitems, find the problem, fix it in a text editor, than update the field.
04:18 kmkale                jcamins: yay!!. Be easier to delete and recreate..
04:18 libsysguy             is there no edit option for the marcxml field
04:18 jcamins               Probably.
04:18 libsysguy             i don't think i've ever seen on
04:18 libsysguy             one*
04:18 jcamins               libsysguy: not when it's corrupted.
04:19 jcamins               The cataloging module edits the MARCXML.
04:19 libsysguy             oh ok, I didn't know if there was a raw edit
04:20 jcamins               Nope.
04:20 libsysguy             sad day…for situations like this :p
04:20 jcamins               pianohacker did some work on a plain text interface.
04:20 rangi                 sled was working on a way to recover it from the marc column
04:21 libsysguy             yeah I didn't know if somebody had done any work to implement it in plain text and add some syntax highlighting
04:21 rangi                 slef even
04:21 libsysguy             lol I was like who is sled and does he live in the snow
04:21 * jcamins             thought he wouldn't be working on Koha much, too many hills.
04:22 libsysguy             hehe
04:22 jcamins               And, with that thought, bed time.
04:22 jcamins               Good night, #koha.
04:22 libsysguy             ngiht jcamins
04:43 cait                  good morning #koha
04:45 AmitG                 rangi around?
04:51 AmitG                 heya cait
04:51 cait                  hi AmitG :)
07:13 cait                  hi #koha
07:14 alex_a                morning
07:16 cait                  hi alex_a :)
07:20 alex_a                cait: bonjour :)
07:35 magnuse               kia ora #koha
07:35 cait                  good morning magnuse
07:36 magnuse               guten morgen cait
07:36 reiveune              hello
07:37 magnuse               bonjour!
08:05 asaurat               hallo!
08:05 francharb             hello
08:05 wahanui               hi, francharb
08:08 paul_p                good morning #koha
08:11 AmitG                 heya paul_p
08:19 kf                    hi again #koha
08:20 kf                    francharb++
08:20 francharb             ;)
08:43 paul_p                Lyon 3 university go live with Koha 3.6 today... I won't be available probably for the whole day !
08:47 kf                    it's koha
08:47 kf                    it will be all fine
08:47 kf                    :)
08:47 kf                    good luck and have fun paul_p
08:47 paul_p                I feel it won't be fun, but thx for the good luck !
08:50 kf                    optimism is key :)
08:58 alex_a                shrc
09:00 kf                    shrc?
09:01 alex_a                pfffff, i write on a chan, some letters goes in the right chan, others in an other chan :-/
09:03 alex_a                so you can enjoy a part of what i say somewhere else
09:03 * kf                  enjoys then
09:03 magnuse               fingers crossed for lyon3!
09:04 alex_a                kf: shrc is the end of "bashrc" :)
09:04 kf                    aha!
09:05 alex_a                an other game ?
09:05 kf                    heh
10:07 magnuse               anyone tried sending CHECKOUT messages by email in 3.6.x? i'm getting messages with the raw <<issues.issuingbranch>> and <<issues.date_due>> in them...
10:08 kf                    uhoh
10:09 kf                    hmm
10:09 kf                    I always use items.content in there I think
10:09 kf                    let me check
10:11 kf                    hmm
10:11 kf                    magnuse: I have only biblio tables available
10:11 kf                    not the issues table
10:11 kf                    in 3.2.2
10:11 kf                    and we use biblio.title
10:12 magnuse               ah, i'm on 3.6.2
10:12 kf                    magnuse: and the field list doesn't offer issues to me
10:12 kf                    so perhaps added later
10:12 magnuse               sound slike it
10:41 magnuse               the description of the "CataloguingLog" syspref says "[Log] any changes to bibliographic or item records. Since this occurs whenever a book is checked in or out as well, it is not advisable to turn this on." - is that still true after we items were removed from the MARCXML?
12:30 AmitG                 heya jwagner
12:30 jwagner               Hi AmitG
12:33 kf_lunch              magnus_afk: I think you are right - it can be changed
13:06 kf_lunch              silent day
13:25 kmkale_               some queries about the "Record Matching Rules"
13:26 kmkale_               Are the rules we set up used against records imported earlier in the same batch?
13:26 drojf                 good local time of the day #koha
13:27 kmkale_               I am importing a batch in a empty new Koha install and have set up a rule. I *KNOW* there are matching records in the batch, but the stage marc records page reported zero matches.
13:32 hdl                   kmkale_: if the previously imported biblios are not indexed then no.
13:34 hdl                   kf,  just received your pm on members page, and list.
13:34 druthb                o/
13:39 kmkale_               so would the proper way be that i import only the biblios first ignoring items, index them, then run the same batch with ingnore matching biblios and always add items?
13:58 kf_lunch              hdl: list?
13:59 kf_lunch              hdl: my test installation is at home - can only check german here
13:59 kf_lunch              hdl: do you mean lists in opac? it can be your javascript needs a refresh perhaps
14:00 kf_lunch              hdl: members pages in staff seem ok tome too. hmm.
14:07 hdl                   looked busted where I saw that.
14:12 kf_lunch              hdl: no idea - Ih ave seen problems with the list button in the past
14:13 kf_lunch              hdl: but on my current system it seems to work nicely. for the member page -perhaps some custom jquery?
14:14 hdl                   nope but never mind
14:15 oleonard              Oh, and Hi #koha.
14:16 magnus_afk            kia ora oleonard
14:16 oleonard              Fun fact about being me: When people start their sentences with "Oh, and" I think they're talking to me because it comes out "Oh, an'"
14:17 kf_lunch              hi oleonard
14:17 kf_lunch              :)
14:22 * paul_p              really in love with git !
14:23 magnus_afk            o/
14:23 * oleonard            suggests that paul_p give git a lovely present for Valentine's Day
14:23 paul_p                Lyon 3 has a really complex structure = git.koha-community => pre-prod server => apache server => zebra & opac server. With some git remote add, git push, git fetch, it's easy to update everything !
14:24 magnus_afk            yay
14:24 paul_p                (with some patches made by biblibre & some patches -texts or things like that- made by the library, so we also have 3 branches (master/biblibre/lyon3local)
14:25 paul_p                3 branches, 5 git repo, push/fetch/checkout everywhere :D :D
14:25 kf_lunch              oleonard++ lol
14:26 kf_lunch              git is mighty - but this sounds really complicated!
14:26 kf_lunch              but you are smiling paul_p - so had fun? :)
14:29 * magnus_afk          promises not to tell paul_p's wife ;-)
15:10 wizzyrea              kf about?
15:10 * wizzyrea            waves hi
15:11 wizzyrea              also - why do we not have an all-all rule in the defaults?
15:23 wizzyrea              magnuse re: checkout messages, please have a look at 7001, which will overhaul that system.
15:23 wizzyrea              I could use some help testing anyway
15:33 magnus_away           cool, i'll try to get a look at that
16:15 vfernandes            Hi guys
16:17 vfernandes            anybody has experienced migrate record/items from Aleph to Koha?
16:20 jcamins_away          vfernandes: I'm pretty sure it's been done, but I'm not sure by whom.
16:20 jcamins_away          But I think I recall someone mentioning a migration from Aleph.
16:21 vfernandes            aleph has a database so complicated... :/
16:40 kf                    wizzyrea: amn ow
16:41 wizzyrea              kf I was looking at that bug 6539
16:41 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6539 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, peter.lorimer, Signed Off , Z39.50 Search ISBN Field Populated with title
16:41 kf                    yes
16:41 wizzyrea              the thing you noticed about kw,wrdl in the results
16:41 wizzyrea              it's in master too :(
16:41 kf                    is a general problem
16:42 kf                    I think it's been like that for a longer timenow
16:42 kf                    you might even find it in 3.2.x - not sure
16:42 wizzyrea              yea, it happens when you do it from a page with no results
16:43 kf                    t
16:43 wizzyrea              dk why i'm on about it, I'll just file a bug for the kw, wrdl thing.
16:44 wizzyrea              unless you know of one already
16:45 kf                    no sorry :(
16:45 kf                    not aware of a bug report
16:45 wizzyrea              k
16:45 kf                    seems I tested that a longer time ago?
16:46 kf                    how did you stumble upon it?
16:47 wizzyrea              I had a librarian ask me why the ISBN's were going in the title search
16:47 wizzyrea              which is wrong behavior :)
16:47 wizzyrea              turns out there was a bug, and a patch
16:47 wizzyrea              and failed qa for pretty trivial reasons.
16:47 wizzyrea              of which were easily fixed.
16:47 wizzyrea              but apparently the bug had been abandoned.
16:48 jcamins               Apparently an actual instance of XC has been spotted in the wild.
16:53 jcamins               It is kind of cute, isn't it?
16:55 kf                    oh where?
16:56 jcamins               http://catalog.lib.kyushu-u.ac.jp/en
16:57 wizzyrea              wait, what am I looking at
16:58 chris_n               does anyone know off the top of their head what controls the order of the drop-down list for the 942 field in the marc editor?
16:58 jcamins               chris_n: alphabetical order.
16:59 jcamins               wizzyrea: an eXtensible Catalog installation.
16:59 wizzyrea              oh i see
16:59 wizzyrea              942c?
17:00 * chris_n             's catalogers are in a uproar because the order is inconvenient
17:00 jcamins               chris_n: do what I do: put spaces in.
17:00 wizzyrea              or number them.
17:00 wizzyrea              but that is also inconvenient
17:02 jcamins               Spaces aren't visible, and you should be able to use multiple spaces to control the order.
17:02 jcamins               Just don't decide to reorder things.
17:03 wizzyrea              i think he's probably in the "this has been set for a while and now they want to reorder them" state
17:03 wizzyrea              catalogers. Sheesh. ;)
17:03 wizzyrea              (you know I love them)
17:06 chris_n               heh
17:07 chris_n               well, they just added some stuff which is seldom used but now shows at the top of the list
17:09 wizzyrea              oooof
17:09 jcamins               Make them rename the types to start with letters near the end of the alphabet.
17:15 * oleonard            got an unpleasant shock when he checked prices on flights to KohaCon12
17:16 jcamins               oleonard: yeah, apparently it's much more expensive to go out in June than in January.
17:18 kf                    jcamins :(
17:18 jcamins               Five years ago (almost exactly!) I bought a round-trip ticket from Edinburgh to New York for less than $500 about a week before my trip.
17:19 kf                    perhaps to london and to edinburgh by train?
17:20 kf                    having another road trip could be fun
17:21 jcamins               It's better, but still pricey.
17:21 kf                    hmpf
17:36 jcamins               Chester the blue cat says hi.
17:37 * kf                  waves at chester
17:37 kf                    bye all
17:39 wizzyrea              hi chester :)
17:42 * oleonard            learned of this for the first time today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4 CAN'T HUG EVERY CAT -- a song about loving cats
17:43 reiveune              bye
17:43 wizzyrea              lol
17:43 wizzyrea              ok, that is amazing
17:44 maximep               you're late to the can't hug every cat party
17:44 wizzyrea              I saw the original
17:44 wizzyrea              but the autotune version is much funnier and a whole lot less creepy
17:44 maximep               greg brothers are genius
17:45 wizzyrea              druthb: you must click that link
17:46 oleonard              I'm scared to watch the original.
17:46 wizzyrea              @later tell druthb • member:oleonard learned of this for the first time today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4 CAN'T HUG EVERY CAT -- a song about loving cats
17:46 huginn`               wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
17:46 wizzyrea              it's alarming
17:49 maximep               well thanks to you i'm stuck in a youtube loop of gregory brothers autotune songs
17:49 maximep               :D
17:49 wizzyrea              oh you went down the rabbit hole
17:49 cait__                :-)
18:07 cait                  hi again #koha
18:07 mbalmer               howdy folks.
18:08 mbalmer               20% of my work time have been reserved for koha hacking… dunno if that is a good thing or not ..
18:08 cait                  hi mbalmer
18:11 oleonard              mbalmer: 20% isn't nearly enough ;)
18:12 mbalmer               it's already to much, imo ;)
18:13 cait                  I think most people here love to spend time on #koha - that's why they are doing it
18:13 wizzyrea              ^^
18:14 * chris_n             thinks his has been like 5% of work time and 25% of free time lately :)
18:14 mbalmer               it's definitely fun to hack on it when you can work together with real librarians (which I am not)
18:14 wizzyrea              oh, yea
18:14 wizzyrea              that makes it less fun
18:14 wizzyrea              what is your situation then?
18:16 mbalmer               I am in informatics, programmer, software development for a living.  but we are a group of five, one content guy, two librarians.  so we are nicely set up for the job.
18:16 mbalmer               and don't get me wrong, I think working on koha _is_ fun.
18:17 * wizzyrea            would not assume that everyone thinks it's fun - but most of us here do.
18:23 rangi                 Morning
18:23 wizzyrea              mornin
18:24 jcamins               Morning.
18:24 cait                  morning rangi :)
18:24 jcamins               rangi: you wanted something from me yesterday?
18:24 rangi                 Can't remember
18:24 jcamins               rangi: in that case, you're welcome. ;)
18:24 chris_n               heya rangi
18:24 rangi                 Can't be important
18:24 * wizzyrea            heads off for lunch
18:24 wizzyrea              bbl
18:24 * chris_n             looks for coffee
18:25 mbalmer               couscous on the table, biaw...
18:28 rangi                 I'm doing %29 coffee
18:30 jcamins               %29 coffee?
18:31 * rangi               is being snarky
18:31 * jcamins             doesn't think you mean "group separator coffee," and can't quite figure out what else it could mean.
18:32 jcamins               %32 would make sense to me... some sort of freeze-dried instant coffee.
18:32 rangi                 Heh
18:32 * chris_n             only drinks the 100% coffee ;-)
18:50 rangi                 back
18:54 * maximep             hates everything about coffee
18:55 jcamins               maximep: tea?
18:55 * maximep             don't drink anything hot
18:56 maximep               yeah, i'm weird.
18:56 cait                  hehe
18:56 maximep               I also hate wine
18:56 * jcamins             knows a number of people who don't drink hot things.
18:56 jcamins               Mostly it's for religious reasons, though.
18:57 maximep               all I drink at work is a bottle of ice cold water every day
18:57 jcamins               maximep: do most of your coworkers drink wine? ;)
18:57 jcamins               (at work)
18:58 jcamins               If so, can I come work with you? :P
18:58 maximep               haha
18:58 maximep               some drink beer.... on friday
18:59 * jcamins             doesn't like beer. It has bubbles.
18:59 jcamins               ... we discussed this two days ago, didn't we?
18:59 maximep               I missed that one
18:59 mbalmer               re
19:00 jcamins               maximep: it could just be deja vu.
19:03 cait                  jcamins: you don't like bubbles?
19:04 jcamins               cait: nope.
19:04 maximep               I love everything with bubbles
19:06 * magnuse             sympathizes completely with maximep...
19:07 jcamins               magnuse: I would've thought that it would be cold enough that you would want hot drinks.
19:07 nengard               tall joy or druthb i'm wondering if you can make a quick change for me on l20
19:07 * oleonard            would hate to plan a dinner party menu for you guys
19:07 rangi                 hi nengard
19:07 nengard               oops - wrong room :)
19:07 nengard               hi all
19:07 magnuse               jcamins: well, hot chocolate/cocoa once in a blue moon, no coffee or tea
19:08 magnuse               @wunder boo
19:08 huginn`               magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (7:50 PM CET on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
19:08 oleonard              @wunder 45701
19:08 huginn`               oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 7.0�C (2:00 PM EST on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
19:10 maximep               @wunder YUL
19:11 huginn`               maximep: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -4.0�C (2:00 PM EST on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
19:11 jcamins               @wunder 11375
19:11 huginn`               jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 5.6�C (1:42 PM EST on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa.
19:12 magnuse               oleonard: cold water - how hard can it be? ;-)
19:12 maximep               colder here than in borway, heh
19:12 maximep               *norway
19:12 rangi                 borway, norway's much less interesting cousin
19:13 magnuse               lol!
19:13 maximep               the b is really far from the n on my keyboard, so not sure what happened there :P
19:13 * magnuse             wonders what kinf of keyboard maximep has...
19:13 magnuse               kind, even
19:14 maximep               well, not that far. it's a ms ergonomic keyboard that splits in the middle. the b is on my left hand and the n on my right hand
19:14 maximep               so this is just wierd that I typed b :S
19:17 magnuse               ah
19:17 oleonard              Those keyboards hurt my brain.
19:18 * magnuse             never tried one, but is not a very disciplined typer, so can't imagine it would be a success
19:18 maximep               with it my wrists would just die
19:19 maximep               and by die I mean carpal tunnel
19:25 * magnuse             is upgrading a swedish library and moving them to the debian packages, to make future upgrades easier
19:26 jcamins               Yay!
19:26 jcamins               packages++
19:26 * wizzyrea            reads the scrollback, is sad to have missed the discussion.
19:27 oleonard              wizzyrea: Drink choice, weather, or keyboards?
19:27 wizzyrea              all of the above
19:27 * wizzyrea            prefers Earl Grey, spring/fall weather, and chiclet keyboards.
19:27 wizzyrea              also: borway = norway's less interesting cousin = lulz
19:27 chris_n               Earl_Grey++
19:28 magnuse               chiclet?
19:28 oleonard              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclet_keyboard
19:28 wizzyrea              yes that thank you
19:29 wizzyrea              but more importantly
19:29 magnuse               note to self: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chiclet+keyboard
19:29 wizzyrea              http://www.thinkpads.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lenovo_thinkpad_chiclet_keyboard.jpg
19:30 wizzyrea              or: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oKWts7Xu-a4/TGju9vhXfkI/AAAAAAAAAPA/keTHMyzMXu0/s1600/Emprex-UltraSlim-keyboard-4.jpg
19:30 rangi                 chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels
19:30 magnuse               lol
19:31 jcamins               Heh.
19:31 * oleonard            imagines fans of chick lit might tell rangi he's showing his age with that reference
19:31 rangi                 whats it now
19:31 rangi                 vampires and crap?
19:32 oleonard              bridget jones + vampires, the only remaining mashup left.
19:32 rangi                 heh
19:34 maximep               I really like typing on my thinkpad keyboard and I type way faster on it, but I need support for my wrists
19:34 maximep               http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/_base_v1/products/natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000/mk_nek4000_large.jpg
19:34 maximep               but I hate that this thing is huge
19:36 wizzyrea              @quote add rangi: chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels
19:36 huginn`               wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #182 added.
19:36 rangi                 wizzyrea: can you ask sharon whats new in chick lit? :)
19:37 wizzyrea              @quote add oleonard: bridget jones + vampires, the only remaining mashup left.
19:37 huginn`               wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #183 added.
19:37 wizzyrea              hehe, i will when she comes back
19:37 wizzyrea              vampires and zombies are pretty likely, however.
19:37 oleonard              http://www.examiner.com/horror-happenings-in-national/new-book-a-cross-between-buffy-the-vampire-slayer-bridget-jones
19:37 wizzyrea              besides, she reads *smut*, there's a difference
19:38 wizzyrea              omg.
19:38 rangi                 oh true
19:38 rangi                 pervert
19:38 rangi                 :-)
19:38 wizzyrea              :D
19:38 wizzyrea              seriously
19:39 wizzyrea              I don't even... I guess the mayans were right after all.
19:39 rangi                 heh
19:40 jcamins               Wow.
19:41 * wizzyrea            goes back to watching the cat hugging video just to cleanse the mental palate.
19:43 * jcamins             has to locate a bowtie.
19:44 jcamins               (that was unrelated to both vampires and cat hugging, it just suddenly struck me)
19:44 wizzyrea              uh huh.
19:44 wizzyrea              You wanted to put a bowtie on your cat
19:44 * wizzyrea            knows better
19:45 jcamins               lol
19:45 jcamins               Speaking of cats with bowties...
19:45 jcamins               http://cuteoverload.com/2011/06/19/fathers-day-ties/
19:45 jcamins               Second from the bottom.
19:46 jcamins               Oh wow.
19:46 jcamins               http://tiecats.tumblr.com/
19:46 * wizzyrea            boggles that I said "bowtie" and "cat" in one sentence
19:46 wizzyrea              and someone out there googled it.
19:46 jcamins               wizzyrea: I already knew about the first one.
19:47 jcamins               I just had never noticed the source.
19:47 wizzyrea              that, my friends, is the long tail at work
19:47 wizzyrea              forgive my pun.
19:48 jcamins               lol
19:58 magnuse               the worst thing that can happen if i truncate the sessions table is poeople who are logged in will have to login again, right?
19:58 rangi                 yes
19:59 wizzyrea              yes
19:59 magnuse               thanks
19:59 wizzyrea              oh you are too fast.
19:59 jcamins               magnuse: you should think about using memcached for sessions.
19:59 magnuse               i think i made a major mistake when i didn't cron the cleanup_database script for this installation...
20:00 magnuse               jcamins: i will for my own installations, but i'm just helping someone else out here
20:00 jcamins               Ah.
20:00 magnuse               mysql> truncate sessions;
20:00 magnuse               Query OK, 7283351 rows affected (0.39 sec)
20:00 magnuse               oops
20:00 rangi                 heh
20:00 jcamins               That's a lot of sessions.
20:01 magnuse               it is
20:01 magnuse               packages++ for setting up the cleanupscript automatically
20:01 wizzyrea              ^^
20:01 magnuse               the mysqldump went from 2.3G to 303M...
20:02 jcamins               Wow!
20:02 magnuse               let that be a lesson to us all, boys and girls
20:02 wizzyrea              oh snap.
20:05 cait                  hi aleksa
20:05 aleksa                hello
20:06 cait                  I saw your patches - good work :)
20:07 wizzyrea              oh do we have a new developer to add?
20:07 rangi                 not pushed yet, but soon!
20:07 wizzyrea              sweeeet
20:07 magnuse               yay
20:07 jcamins               Speaking of which, thanks for the sign-off on the follow-up, rangi.
20:08 jcamins               rangi: out of curiosity, why do we have some tests in a different place?
20:08 aleksa                thanks.
20:08 rangi                 you mean the xt vs t?
20:08 jcamins               Right.
20:08 rangi                 t/ = unit tests, testing functionality
20:08 aarkerio              hi! I am trying to install Koha  and I try install some translations:
20:08 aarkerio              cd misc/translator && perl install-code.pl fr-FR es-ES
20:08 rangi                 xt/ = testing hmmm syntax/semantics .. not function
20:09 jcamins               Ah.
20:09 aarkerio              but install-code.pl is not there
20:09 * jcamins             didn't know about xt until the jenkins complete.
20:09 rangi                 so there are tests for missing copyright headers, fsf address wrong, bad tt syntax etc
20:10 oleonard              rangi: Do you use git hooks to run automatic tests?
20:10 rangi                 i do
20:10 rangi                 2 secs
20:10 aarkerio              how can I install the spanish translations?
20:11 rangi                 oleonard: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/git-hooks
20:11 rangi                 http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=hooks/pre-commit;h=fe816fa64d4f2ab0457689c277fac939bea428de;hb=ce0c55cff441b175229fe0b1303f12a209dc2f21
20:12 magnuse               aarkerio: which version are you installing?
20:12 magnuse               aarkerio: and what instructions are you following?
20:12 aarkerio              magnuse: koha-3.06.02
20:12 magnuse               aarkerio: you probably need to do "perl translate install es-ES"
20:13 magnuse               aarkerio: good version :-)
20:15 aarkerio              magnuse, thanks!
20:15 magnuse               aarkerio: no problem!
20:19 * chris_n             cracks open a new Inspiron One w/touchscreen to be used in our k-12 academy library w/koha
20:19 wizzyrea              coool
20:19 rangi                 ohh nice
20:19 wizzyrea              we have some touch screens in the wild
20:19 wizzyrea              in NEKLS
20:20 wizzyrea              people seem to like them
20:20 rangi                 photos/blogpost
20:20 chris_n               touchscreen + scanner + self checkout = easy circulation
20:20 rangi                 for the kc site
20:20 rangi                 would be nice
20:20 wizzyrea              ^^
20:20 chris_n               rangi: good thought
20:20 cait                  we should do more blog posts
20:20 rangi                 we should
20:20 chris_n               I'll work something up once its on line
20:20 cait                  pretty silent on kc
20:20 rangi                 thanks chris_n
20:20 chris_n               should be early next week
20:20 cait                  chris_n++
20:20 cait                  going to release tonight?
20:21 chris_n               cait: yup
20:21 cait                  yay :)
20:21 cait                  and we will update 5 libraries on friday :)
20:23 * magnuse             will be upgrading from 3.6.2 pretty soon too
20:25 rangi                 3.6.3 looks pretty solid
20:25 * magnuse             finds hitting "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and pondering all the work that has been put into those lines scrolling by pretty awesome...
20:26 cait                  rangi: I guess we will shake out the bugs pretty fast if there are any
20:27 cait                  :)
20:27 cait                  but I think it's pretty solid too
20:27 * magnuse             has had no complaints about 3.6.2
20:28 magnuse               (upgraded the last customers on the weekend)
20:28 magnuse               but there is bug 7445 for those who use tags
20:28 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist"
20:28 magnuse               and it probably affects stemming too
20:29 jcamins               I merged my customizations into the latest 3.6.x a few days ago, so I'll just do another merge after the release and it'll be ready for testing.
20:30 * chris_n             hates to say it, but chrome has ff beat atm
20:30 jcamins               chris_n: other than the annoying Koha cataloging module hang, Chrome has had FF beat for months, as far as I'm concerned.
20:33 maximep               on what ?
20:33 jcamins               maximep: not crashing.
20:33 jcamins               And being faster.
20:35 maximep               my firefox at work hasn't crashed since I work here
20:35 maximep               8 months
20:35 maximep               also haven't closed a single tab since that time
20:35 jcamins               maximep: well, I stopped using FF more than eight months ago, so it's possible that they fixed the bugs that were causing it to crash.
20:36 maximep               6-7-8 are more crash fix releases than anything else
20:36 maximep               and 9
20:36 maximep               stupid versions
20:38 maximep               and for the faster.. can't defend ff there
20:38 maximep               chrome is just insanely fast
20:38 wizzyrea              bug 6985 - does this need to be a system preference?
20:38 * wizzyrea            cringes
20:38 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Hide "kw,wrdl:" from Search Results
20:38 maximep               oh id like that
20:39 oleonard              does anyone really *want* to see "kw.wrdl" ?
20:39 * wizzyrea            has a patch to just make it go away
20:39 bag                   not sure - I feel it just shouldn't appear
20:39 jcamins               The last version I used was 3.6, I think.
20:39 bag                   no need to sys pref that...
20:39 chris_n               maximep: my ff crashes continually due to bad js support
20:39 chris_n               plus it does not allow different cookie jars for different windows
20:40 chris_n               at least not easily and w/o hogging resources
20:40 wizzyrea              the problem is, you can't, well, I haven't spent enough time to figure it out, but you can't say "your search for X returned yyy results"
20:40 wizzyrea              if you want X, it comes with kw,wrdl
20:40 chris_n               plus leaving ff running for very long periods of time seems to leak memory
20:40 * wizzyrea            would prefer "your search for X"
20:41 wizzyrea              however, it's not *that* important to me
20:41 wizzyrea              because the last search is retained in the search box
20:41 wizzyrea              so meh
20:41 * wizzyrea            will submit the patch
20:41 wizzyrea              and y'all can fight about it later.
20:41 * jcamins             updated FF.
20:42 aarkerio              hi! should I execute:
20:42 aarkerio              perl translate install es-ES
20:42 aarkerio              before or after installation?
20:42 magnuse               wizzyrea++
20:42 magnuse               aarkerio: before you run the webinstaller
20:42 aarkerio              ok!!
20:44 magnuse               otherwise, you will not get to see the spanish choices in the webinstaller
20:45 jcamins               o.O
20:46 Buddy_Bones_Jones     jcamins http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/24/whats-your-blues-name-pciture_n_1229406.html
20:46 jcamins               Ah.
20:46 jcamins               Yeah, that's been all over Facebook.
20:47 jcamins               I love that they misspelled the URL.
20:47 pretty_eyes_jefferson oh yours is good.
20:48 * Red_Money_Parker    is glad not to be named "Toothless"
20:48 pretty_eyes_jefferson hm, with my proper birth name that is less fun.
20:49 texas_eyes_dupree     who has texas eyes.
20:49 texas_eyes_dupree     I ask you.
20:49 * oleonard            liked that one too wizzyrea
20:49 oleonard              It was the "dupree" that made it all come together
20:49 wizzyrea              pretty eyes dupree I think would be my favorite
20:50 cait                  curly hips gumbo brown?
20:50 cait                  hmpf
20:52 cait                  oooh
20:52 cait                  oleonard:
20:52 cait                  i was wondering if you could rebase 7113
20:52 cait                  because when you did
20:52 wizzyrea              bug 7113
20:52 huginn`               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7113 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , Standardize vendor id name in templates and scripts
20:52 cait                  I could sign off on it again :)
20:53 oleonard              I started to, and ran into a snag with some newly-added stuff. I need to go back to it. Maybe tomorrow.
20:58 * jcamins             heads to Forest Hills to fill up a suitcase and head back into the city to catch a bus to the suburbs.
21:01 * oleonard            hopes jcamins_away is going to fill the suitcase with money
21:05 cait                  oleonard: cool :)
21:07 * oleonard            thinks there are some newly-introduced instances of vendor id which will have to be tracked down
21:11 wizzyrea              is there something like lifehacker that focuses on open platforms?
21:11 * wizzyrea            is tired of reading about windows and iphones
21:11 magnuse               bleurgh
21:11 magnuse               hopes this may be improved into something useful one day: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Moving_an_installation_from_a_regular_install_to_the_Debian_packages
21:12 wizzyrea              oo yea - did you start that magnuse?
21:12 magnuse               yup
21:12 wizzyrea              good one
21:13 wizzyrea              we also need one for "moving a dev install to a package install"
21:13 magnuse               hope it will do more good than bad, but probably needs some work
21:13 wizzyrea              *nod*
21:13 magnuse               well, they should be quite similar, i think
21:13 wizzyrea              yea
21:13 magnuse               well, i guess i just left all the old files etc in place
21:14 wizzyrea              there would be some futzing about with paths
21:14 magnuse               explaining how to clean up *everything* would require two different variants
21:14 wizzyrea              yea
21:14 wizzyrea              and we've seen how well that works in the install documentation. >.>
21:15 magnuse               heh?
21:18 wizzyrea              people end up very confused.
21:18 wizzyrea              I have meant to separate out the dev and "standard" installs
21:18 magnuse               ah yes
21:18 wizzyrea              and create a "packages" install guide
21:18 magnuse               yeah, that can be short and sweet, at least ;-)
21:18 wizzyrea              hehe yea
21:19 wizzyrea              oh I just love those rounded corners on the tabs in the staff client
21:19 magnuse               they *are* purdy ;-)
21:19 magnuse               success! http://koha.sipri.org/
21:19 wizzyrea              yay!
21:20 wizzyrea              I can get behind a library that uses koha for their repository of international peace research
21:20 wizzyrea              sipri++
21:20 * oleonard            motors
21:20 wizzyrea              nbyee
21:28 magnuse               wizzyrea: yay - i feel it helps a little for my karma - my main customer is the royal naval academy...
21:29 magnuse               have fun, #koha!
21:39 wizzyrea              but the royal naval academy of *norway* which probably does mostly peacekeeping missions anyway
21:51 librarygeekadam       good day!
21:52 librarygeekadam       would any one have a minute to help me out with installation?
21:52 librarygeekadam       i had this problem last time and I cannot remember how i got it working
21:53 librarygeekadam       when I go to access the Koha admin through my browser i get "Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server." Any ideas?
21:54 wizzyrea              disable your apache default virtualhost?
21:54 wizzyrea              a2dissite default
21:54 wizzyrea              apache2ctl restart
21:54 wizzyrea              sudo as appropriate, of course.
21:55 librarygeekadam       i have done that but let me try again
21:55 wizzyrea              did you change the ip in your koha virtualhost to match the actual IP of the server?
21:55 librarygeekadam       hmmm...i dont know
21:55 wizzyrea              from to your IP
21:56 librarygeekadam       what command do I run to do that?
21:56 wizzyrea              use your favorite editor to edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha
21:56 librarygeekadam       i ran the first thing you  told me and got an error "NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts"
21:57 wizzyrea              or you can change the to *
21:57 librarygeekadam       ok this is what I have in that file
21:57 librarygeekadam       I have edited before
21:58 wizzyrea              paste.koha-community.org
21:58 wizzyrea              :)
21:58 wizzyrea              or pastebin ^.^
21:58 librarygeekadam       in the instructions it gives this "VirtualHost"
21:58 librarygeekadam       but my file says this "VirtualHost"
21:58 librarygeekadam       it has a 1 instead of a 0
21:59 wizzyrea              yep, change the 1 to a 0, I think that's a longstanding typo.
21:59 librarygeekadam       so i changed it so it looks like this now "VirtualHost (my ip address):80"
22:00 librarygeekadam       is that correct?
22:00 wizzyrea              no, you want VirtualHost <your ip>:80
22:00 librarygeekadam       ok
22:01 librarygeekadam       for the second virtualhost further down as well then?
22:01 wizzyrea              unless you're only accessing it from localhost ( then you'd probably want it to answer on the IP of the machine
22:01 wizzyrea              yep
22:01 librarygeekadam       yeah i am only running this on a laptop to test
22:01 wizzyrea              then is what you'd want
22:02 librarygeekadam       followed by my ip?
22:02 wizzyrea              (is what I do on my laptop)
22:02 wizzyrea              nope, just
22:02 librarygeekadam       ok
22:02 librarygeekadam       let me try that real quick
22:03 wizzyrea              remember to restart apache after you make the change :)
22:03 librarygeekadam       ok i did that
22:04 librarygeekadam       and I get this error "NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts"
22:04 librarygeekadam       i got that when I restarted apache2
22:04 wizzyrea              is there a koha in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
22:04 wizzyrea              if not
22:04 wizzyrea              a2ensite koha
22:04 aarkerio              librarygeekadam, maybe you need edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf  to add:    listen 8080
22:05 aarkerio              and NameVirtualHost
22:07 librarygeekadam       hmmm
22:07 librarygeekadam       well i had listen 8080
22:07 wizzyrea              you have a typo there aarkerio - is what he needs for localhost.
22:08 librarygeekadam       i added NameVirtualHost *:8080 and I got back 2 errors now when restarting apache - 1 for VH80 and 1 for VH8080
22:08 aarkerio              wizzyrea, I think koha installer choose in many installations
22:08 wizzyrea              it does - and it's not right.
22:10 aarkerio              librarygeekadam, your IP must be the same in koha-httpd.conf and ports.conf
22:10 aarkerio              I mean if in one you have VirtualHost
22:10 aarkerio              in ports you must have NameVirtualHost
22:10 aarkerio              no  t NameVirtualHost *:80
22:11 librarygeekadam       ok
22:11 librarygeekadam       let me give that a go
22:13 aarkerio              by the way, if I omitted include MARC frameworks during installation
22:13 aarkerio              can I install them after setup?
22:18 librarygeekadam       im sorry I would know...i have only gotten Koha installed once and I am trying to repeat but to no avail
22:20 librarygeekadam       still nothing for me
22:21 librarygeekadam       i still get errors
22:21 librarygeekadam       i tried going to and i get a software error
22:21 librarygeekadam       i try going to and I get "not Found"
22:22 aarkerio              what error log say?
22:22 librarygeekadam       what's the error log?
22:23 librarygeekadam       where it says software error: ....
22:24 librarygeekadam       Access denied for user 'koha'@localhost' to database 'kohadata' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 693  (and 4 more lines
22:24 aarkerio              sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log
22:24 maximep               wrong db password ?
22:25 aarkerio              try connect to DB from the command line
22:25 librarygeekadam       ok how do i do that
22:25 maximep               mysql -u koha -p kohadata
22:25 librarygeekadam       sorry i am such a noob
22:27 aarkerio              you should run "make test" during installation process ;-)
22:28 librarygeekadam       ok when i try that i get "Access denied for user 'koha'@'localhost' to database 'kohadata'
22:28 librarygeekadam       i did run make test and it came out fine
22:28 maximep               so either you have the wrong password or your user doesn't have permissions
22:29 maximep               there's probably a GRANT ALL line somewhere in the instructions ?
22:29 librarygeekadam       yes there is
22:29 librarygeekadam       the make test = pass
22:31 librarygeekadam       should i run through the mysql part in the instructions again
22:34 librarygeekadam       any thoughts?
22:34 maximep               probably
22:34 maximep               what instructions are u using?
22:34 librarygeekadam       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
22:35 maximep               yeah i would do the mysql -u root -p part
22:36 maximep               and the GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'YOURPASSWORD';
22:36 maximep               and then try again to connect with the koha user
22:37 librarygeekadam       ok cool...that's what i was leaning towards :)
22:39 librarygeekadam       YES! it worked that time! thanks a bunch everyone!
22:42 maximep               yay =)
22:42 wizzyrea              squee!