Time Nick Message
22:18 jcamins (I don't use MarcEdit, but I'd think that there's the option to add a space)
22:18 jcamins patric: just add a space between.
22:04 patric thanks, any thoughts on doing that with marcedit?\
22:02 druthb you might want to do that as a simple string: $newcall = $dewey.' '.$first_three; then define 952$o as $newcall. The space will make it break on a spine label, usually.
22:01 patric do i want to just not joint them, or space them somehow, putting first three at offset 1 instead of 0?
22:00 patric imported dewy as 952$o and first 3 as 952$o and joined them, they end up on one line, which of course doesn't work for spine labels
21:47 sekjal hi, jcamins
21:47 * jcamins waves to sekjal.
21:42 patric undo import is also slow on patric's server
21:42 patric I'm gonna go ahead and click undo import
21:41 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot undo import into catalog
21:41 wizzyrea forget undo import into catalog
21:41 wizzyrea lol wahanui
21:41 wahanui well, undo import into catalog is very slow working on Gana's server. can i use any commands for mysql database of koha.
21:41 patric undo import into catalog?
21:39 wizzyrea under manage staged marc records
21:39 wizzyrea revert batch :)
21:39 patric I'm really sorry to have to ask these questions over and over, but how do i un-import the old records before I bring in the new ones? and thanks sekjal, but the record is fine, chances are no one will ever see it
21:38 sekjal patric: the clean link just removes the MARC records from your database, but the record of having uploaded them persists. Did you want to remove the file from listing, as well?
21:37 * patric doesn't blink
21:36 sekjal hi, bag
21:35 bag hi sekjal
21:35 patric Thanks, used the clean link, I was hoping for a "make it look like you're not the sort of idiot that takes 10 tries to get something right" link
21:33 sekjal hi, wizzyrea
21:33 wizzyrea :)
21:33 wizzyrea hi :
21:33 wizzyrea !
21:33 wizzyrea it's sekjal1
21:33 * wizzyrea blinks
21:32 sekjal patric: there should be a 'clean' link in the Manage Staged MARC records menu
21:30 patric how do I get rid of my staged import files that were complete failures?
21:29 patric It's not like this up on the projector in front of class full of kids ...
21:29 patric np
21:28 wahanui patric: sorry...
21:28 patric hey, wahanui
21:28 wahanui everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver
21:28 patric hey, everyone
21:25 sekjal oh, and morning, too
21:24 sekjal afternoon/evening, all
21:23 cait and good night :)
21:23 cait me too Ö)
21:23 wizzyrea hehe later
21:23 schuster byeee.... meee too!
21:19 * wizzyrea wishes briefly that you could see the current logins to a koha system.
21:19 wizzyrea byeeeeee
21:19 * oleonard waves goodbye to all
21:07 oleonard I just tested the patches using git bz on a fresh branch and had no errors
21:06 cait only git bz
21:05 cait I think she didn't try git am -iu3
21:05 * oleonard is guessing
21:05 cait from the bug
21:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Failed QA , Choose framework on Merge
21:05 oleonard Except I think my follow-up for Bug 6210 didn't apply for nengard because I have it and she doesn't
21:05 * wizzyrea has it
21:05 wizzyrea oh yea it's awesome
21:04 oleonard Ah: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/12/15/fixing-whitespace-when-apply-patches-with-git/
21:04 cait it fixes whitespace errors for you when applying the patch
21:04 cait and it works very nicely
21:04 cait it's on his blog
21:04 oleonard What was the change to git config that was recommended recently? Dealing with whitespace? I think it was rangi
20:55 cait lol
20:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7466 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when button is offscreen
20:54 oleonard Oh, Bug 7466? Thanks!
20:54 * oleonard listens
20:54 oleonard What's that huginn`? A new bug needs signoff? Which one?
20:54 wizzyrea and made it better!
20:54 jcamins Ah.
20:54 wizzyrea ^^
20:54 oleonard jcamins: Someone else bought Delicious from Yahoo and kept it open
20:35 * magnus_afk wanders off again
20:30 * magnus_afk hadn't really seen new delicious
20:30 liw (disclaimer: if it's posisble to do with ikiwiki, I will do it that way; if it's not possible, I pretend it is, anyway :)
20:30 liw (and since it's an ikiwiki, all the wiki contents is in git, so I can edit it on any of my computers)
20:30 liw schuster, I have a personal wiki and a link page on that; from the top of the page: "I don't usually use bookmarks for links I want to keep. The reasons for this are obscure: back in the early days of the world wide web, I kept switching between computers and browsers, so having bookmarks in the browser was inconvenient. Also, browser bookmark support sucked. So instead I started keeping a web page with links. This is the current incarnation of that web page."
20:29 * jcamins thought that delicious was bought by Yahoo and closed?
20:29 cait have to get that reset
20:29 * magnus_afk used magnolia until it collpased
20:29 cait me too but forogt my password
20:29 cait :)
20:29 magnus_afk hehe
20:29 * wizzyrea had faith
20:29 * wizzyrea never left
20:29 wizzyrea I love the new delicious
20:28 magnus_afk i have tested http://www.faviki.com/ but gravitated back to delicious again...
20:27 schuster oleonard - yeah I was talking with someone else just a minute ago that had a delicious account... Just wondering if there was anything else out there I should look at before I resurrect my old delicious account
20:26 * oleonard has stuck with Delicious
20:25 schuster This is a bit off topic, but you all are my techie friends... anyone have a "cloud" bookmarking tool they like? I keep changing computers and don't have the right set of bookmarks!
20:21 jcamins_away oleonard: it uses javascript to load the image asynchronously.
20:20 jcamins_away Oh, rangi is gone.
20:19 jcamins_away I am now.
20:02 oleonard Yeah
20:02 cait the local images?
19:56 oleonard Getting lots of 404s in Firebug from the new cover images stuff.
19:49 cait bye rangi
19:48 rangi bbl
19:48 * rangi heads out to do some Koha training
19:46 cait I think it's quite unlikely that people run into that
19:46 cait yes, but if it will go in 3.6.4 it will not hurt
19:46 chris_n its a very small change
19:46 chris_n if its not signed off by friday, I'll probably push it to 3.6.x anyway
19:45 chris_n ok, I missed that
19:44 cait adding only an expiry date
19:44 cait and it's the only user account I changed
19:44 cait the admin user has no address at all
19:44 chris_n cait: so every language uses us-style addressing in the sample patrons?
19:43 oleonard Making progress: http://screencast.com/t/1bkZhpsuIU
19:43 cait but it needs a sign-off probably
19:43 cait chris_n: no translation changes there - it's in the sql files
19:34 rangi yup
19:34 chris_n seems a bit inconvenient
19:33 chris_n yeah, I noticed that problem when moving things back to rel_3_X
19:33 rangi but now at least jenkins will be happy, when that gets pushed
19:32 rangi im not liking it
19:32 rangi you have to go to assigned and start again
19:32 rangi back
19:32 rangi you cant go from pushed
19:32 rangi its the new workflow
19:32 * chris_n gets spammed by 1633 :-)
19:31 chris_n since its minor, it will have to wait until after the string freeze...
19:30 chris_n that will need translating
19:29 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7453 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Borrower without expiry date breaks opac login
19:29 cait bug 7453
19:28 chris_n heya rangi
19:28 chris_n must have to do with that chicken jalape�o sandwich
19:28 * chris_n 's brain is still at lunch
19:28 cait it has no sign-off yet...
19:28 chris_n bug number please :-)
19:28 cait thought you had seen it
19:27 cait it's in bugzilla
19:27 chris_n cool
19:27 cait fixing the sample data
19:27 chris_n cait: the sample borrower data
19:27 cait I did a patch for that
19:27 cait oh
19:27 rangi jcamins_away: you about?
19:27 chris_n cait: the one related to this commit: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=99147d26
19:23 cait I know what a crc checksum is :)
19:23 cait hm not true
19:23 cait I have no idea what you are talking about
19:22 cait ?
19:21 chris_n CRC checksum is bad on that address range in my memory :-S
19:20 chris_n hmm, can't remember the bz number
19:20 chris_n don't forget that patch to fixup...
19:20 cait :)
19:20 chris_n the testing sounds good
19:20 cait here I am
19:20 chris_n there you are cait
18:30 cait1 :)
18:28 schuster Just had to fix 60 of them that we loaded without a collection code as they didn't display but you could see them in edit item but not touch them. but again I'm on 3.2 hopefully moving forward in the near future!
18:27 druthb Lots of other Good Ideas, like call number, call number source, price, location or collection codes, etcetc.
18:27 cait1 some of our libraries are not using collection or location - I think perhaps there is really a bug somewhere
18:27 druthb collection and location are useful, but not mandatory. The only *mandatory* ones are home and holding branch ($a and $b), barcode ($p) and item type ($y).
18:27 cait1 schuster: oh!
18:27 cait1 and jumping around between laptops, never a good idea
18:26 schuster well if I don't put them in and load the records - oh wait... I don't know how things work with 3.6 because in my 3.2 they won't show if they are blank and you can't edit them. Goes to sit in corner :)
18:26 cait1 um sorry, I am tired
18:26 cait1 itemtype, barcode, call number, $a and $b = branch
18:25 cait1 you don't need collection and location
18:25 cait1 hm no
18:25 schuster Patric and there are other fields that are "required" as well - Location and Collection and item type for sure.
18:13 cait1 :)
18:13 cait1 yeah
18:12 druthb :)
18:12 druthb ooo...an extra cait.
18:12 * cait1 waves
18:02 druthb patric: Take a look at your framework, for field 952; the subfields there will tell you what should be where, in the item-specific data. That's a screen I look at quite a bit.
18:00 francharb see ya!
17:55 jcamins Time to head into the city to go to Forest Hills.
17:54 patric thanks, I'll go fool with converting again, might pop back up with more questions
17:53 jcamins patric: you should put that in the call number. 952$o?
17:52 patric I need to make a shelf-tag sort of value, that's dewey+first 3, someone want to make that easy (I can look it all up again, but haven't touch any of this in 3 weeks, if it's on the top of someone's heade)
17:51 cait 952$p for baroces sound right
17:51 druthb :) Glad to assist, patric.
17:51 jcamins patric: right, but make sure you don't have any duplicate numbers.
17:50 patric Have I mentioned that the help in here is way nicer than I deserve?
17:50 patric So, if I just wish to use our old numbering as barcodes, bringing that data in as 952 $p in the conversion should do it?
17:46 cait :)
17:45 druthb hi, cait. :)
17:45 cait hi #koha
17:45 druthb It's a pretty common migration task to shift item data from wherever the legacy ILS puts it, to the proper places in Koha.
17:44 druthb patric: Koha doesn't have any settings to explicitly toss data out of an imported record (which is what I'm assuming you're up to.) Barcodes need to be in 952 $p. Anywhere is Is Not A Barcode, to Koha (as default-configured for MARC21)
17:43 patric reading docs, still available if someone wants me to make sense out of my question
17:36 patric another marc conversion question, I have control numbers, but they aren't my barcode numbers, and barcodes seem blank, should that be happening in the conversion process or is that a configuration in koha
17:28 jcamins Agreed.
17:27 wizzyrea I think it's unreasonable to ask people to put in js to hide something that we expect should be working.
17:27 jcamins I'd vote for commenting it out.
17:27 wizzyrea or just depend on people to put in the js to hide it
17:27 wizzyrea you think comment out the display and make it official like
17:26 jcamins Just un-hide it.
17:26 jcamins That way when we have the availability indexing, it's easy to deal with.
17:26 jcamins I think probably leaving the code in but removing the display is the way to go.
17:26 wizzyrea it's just not very precise :P
17:26 jcamins Right.
17:25 wizzyrea even though it's kinda sorta working maybe a little bit.
17:25 jcamins Or at least not display it.
17:25 wizzyrea so we should get rid of it for now anyway.
17:25 jcamins We just create a composite index.
17:25 jcamins Once DOM indexing is in place, though, it's easy to deal with.
17:25 jcamins Not really.
17:24 wizzyrea well any way to make the one index that it uses for available better?
17:24 wizzyrea oh i see :)
17:24 jcamins wizzyrea: I will.
17:24 wizzyrea fyi you can imagine me doing this when I say "explain" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlpRBLkgcBo
17:24 jcamins We have multiple indexes informing "available."
17:23 jcamins wizzyrea: the problem is that Zebra facets work only with a single index.
17:23 jcamins However, defining available would be a good idea, too.
17:23 wizzyrea explain
17:22 jcamins wizzyrea: limit to available wouldn't work regardless how we defined "available."
17:22 jcamins francharb++
17:22 jcamins fredericd Yay!
17:22 wizzyrea it's "in transit"
17:22 wizzyrea I see why the billboard one looks available though
17:20 wizzyrea so our definition of "avaliable" needs tweaking I guess.
17:20 francharb jcamins, i bookmarked it and it will be the top of my list next time i'm signing off patches!
17:20 wizzyrea "limit to available" excludes that result
17:19 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/OqZ74rLWQ1G right?
17:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:19 jcamins But I have a revised patch attached to bug 7284 that should work with UNIMARC.
17:19 jcamins Well, it doesn't have to be right this second.
17:19 francharb like? right now?
17:19 jcamins :)
17:19 jcamins Yes, actually.
17:19 jcamins Wouldn't you like to test authority linking?
17:19 francharb really?
17:19 jcamins francharb: I was just thinking about you.
17:18 wizzyrea even things with items that are available - if *any* are unavailable it excludes them
17:18 francharb oops
17:18 wizzyrea and it looks like
17:18 wizzyrea that was limited to available
17:18 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/ZSRJlT9P
17:18 wizzyrea though...
17:18 francharb ;)
17:18 francharb \0/
17:16 wizzyrea the same search unlimited returns 427 results, the limited search returns 333
17:16 wizzyrea at any rate
17:16 wizzyrea which is a change
17:16 wizzyrea limit available does seem to be working
17:15 wizzyrea actually, in my current 3.6.0 install
17:13 wizzyrea :)
17:13 wizzyrea or not, i'd have to look
17:13 wizzyrea it's probably slightly different.
17:13 francharb sure
17:13 wizzyrea or opacuserjs, depending.
17:12 huginn` francharb: The operation succeeded.
17:12 francharb @later tell kf : for the availability facet, you can use the 'intranetuserjs' to hide it : $(document).ready(function(){ $("#search-facets ul li:contains('Availability')").hide(); });
17:11 wizzyrea cait will be back soon. :)
17:11 wizzyrea oh bother, bye kf
17:10 wizzyrea we're tight, dontyaknow
17:10 druthb ;-)
17:10 jcamins lol
17:10 wizzyrea ;)
17:10 wizzyrea you should just assume that I am.
17:09 * druthb suspects wizzyrea of talking to wahanui behind everyone's back.
17:09 wizzyrea hrmph.
17:09 wahanui jcamins is an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or against all things wine.
17:09 wizzyrea jcamins?
17:08 kf bye all
17:08 kf time for me to leave
17:08 kf probably .)
17:08 kf heh
17:08 oleonard If we keep telling wahanui crazy stuff he is going to snap
17:07 * kf is not sweet and druthb has not snapped
17:07 kf he spreads rumours
17:07 kf someone broke wahanui
17:07 druthb m-hm.
17:07 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
17:07 druthb druthb?
17:07 wahanui it has been said that kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
17:07 druthb wahanui: kf?
17:06 kf :)
17:06 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE!
17:06 druthb wahanui: wizzyrea?
17:06 druthb LOL
17:06 wizzyrea doh!
17:06 wizzyrea jcamins is also wait, whta?
17:06 oleonard jcamins is a lot of things.
17:06 jcamins :)
17:06 wahanui druthb: bitte
17:06 druthb Thank you, wahanui.
17:05 druthb LOL
17:05 wahanui hmmm... jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or against all things wine.
17:05 jcamins jcamins?
17:05 wizzyrea LOL
17:05 jcamins :P
17:05 jcamins What?
17:05 jcamins Wait.
17:05 wahanui okay, jcamins.
17:05 jcamins wizzyrea: yes, I am also against all things wine.
17:05 wizzyrea also wine.
17:05 mbalmer wizzyrea, exactly ;P
17:04 wahanui hmmm... Wait, is it only in items?
17:04 jcamins Wait, what?
17:04 jcamins wizzyrea: I am against all things bread, cheese, and buttery.
17:04 * druthb wishes she was going to Marseille.
17:03 wizzyrea because french food is always terrible. Wait, what?
17:03 kf it was very good last year - I plan on it
17:02 mbalmer I hope the food in Marseille will be good.
17:02 mbalmer mmm, shrimp..
17:02 * wizzyrea likes shrimp
17:02 oleonard Ouch, right in the paella!
17:01 wizzyrea at least I didn't say anything about "protuberances"
17:01 wizzyrea ... your knee, silly.
17:01 schuster :)
17:01 schuster hey now lets not get nasty!
17:01 druthb ow!
17:00 * wizzyrea pokes the plucky person from Plano in the patella
17:00 druthb jcamins++
17:00 druthb lol
17:00 schuster Good thing my name isn't Paul.
17:00 * jcamins pokes the person from Plano.
17:00 * druthb pokes the guy from Plano.
17:00 schuster :)
17:00 schuster per programmer
16:59 druthb Potent, prudent pre-planning prevents poor performance?
16:59 schuster with a prefered program.
16:58 oleonard Pending preparation of a procedure to properly populate?
16:57 kf heh
16:57 kf both
16:57 wizzyrea do you think I could use more p's
16:57 kf true
16:57 wizzyrea until such time as we figure out a way to properly populate the bib records with their popularity info
16:57 wizzyrea needs to be removed
16:57 wizzyrea also popularity sort
16:56 wizzyrea be able to turn it off.
16:56 wizzyrea or at least
16:56 wizzyrea we should nuke it
16:56 wizzyrea well then yea
16:56 jcamins Limiting for available items is permanently broken while we're using GRS-1.
16:55 kf I thought it was supposed to be repaired - but it doesnot owrk in my installation
16:55 wizzyrea I'm sure there's a bug
16:55 wizzyrea but I would need to check it again
16:55 kf perhaps we should kick it out then?
16:55 wizzyrea at least, that's what I remember.
16:55 kf hm ok
16:55 wizzyrea I recall that it doesn't work kf
16:55 kf does limiting to available items work for someone?
16:53 druthb wizzyrea++
16:53 wizzyrea and not a specific "how long until *I* get this book"
16:53 wizzyrea what about simply "average wait to check out this item is X days"
16:52 kf afaik at least
16:52 trea kf++
16:52 kf in which the servers are displayed in the result list
16:52 druthb Anything that increases stress on circ dest staff is, IMO, best done cautiously, and only with proper safety equipment, and an ambulance, close at hand.
16:52 kf the sequence
16:52 trea what does the "rank" field in a z39.50 target refer to? it just says "display order"
16:51 wizzyrea ;)
16:51 wizzyrea your math is a bit funny there.
16:50 wizzyrea yes
16:50 kf someone aware of a bug with limiting to available items?
16:50 kf hm
16:50 druthb oleonard, I think, has a valid point, though...sure, 8 out of ten patrons think this is a swell idea, but four of them will raise hell and create much stress and suffering when it's not *exactly* accurate.
16:49 wizzyrea couldn't care less, rather.
16:49 wizzyrea adding a new widget to punish patrons with fines or restrictions, meh I could care less about.
16:48 druthb 'bout to say. You've got some pretty insane librarians there, wizzyrea.
16:48 wizzyrea dunno, I'm for adding things to koha that patrons want - and I have evidence that patrons want to know the average time they'll wait for holds.
16:48 wizzyrea oh I'm not saying I'm going to do it.
16:47 huginn` druthb: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
16:47 druthb @quote get 123
16:46 wizzyrea what about... the average amount of time elapsed between hold placed and hold filled (to the wait shelf)?
16:46 miguel hi all, Anyone is working to integrate NCIP in koha?
16:42 wizzyrea way too many
16:42 schuster too many human variables.
16:41 wizzyrea I am sure it could be done, but I don't think you could get it anywhere near accurate
16:41 wizzyrea :)
16:40 schuster and you don't have to shelve it!
16:40 wizzyrea no overdues in the world of electronic loans.
16:40 oleonard Sure, because the patron has no say in when it will be back
16:40 schuster yes - how many copies do you have of said book?
16:40 wizzyrea "in"
16:40 wizzyrea a patron gets usage of it for exactly 2 weeks, then it's in
16:40 wizzyrea which is electronic content. That stuff has an extremely predictable pattern for when it will be "available"
16:39 wizzyrea 3m cloud library
16:39 wizzyrea well the librarian was comparing it to
16:39 oleonard At my library we have found that predicting the time the item will be available causes more trouble than it's worth. "You said it would be back by now!" "It was due on the 12th, and today's the 12th!"
16:38 wizzyrea or unavailable items.
16:38 wizzyrea number of items - the lost items
16:37 wizzyrea times the rank
16:36 wizzyrea take the number of items, take the average length of circ for that many circs back
16:36 wizzyrea oh I know
16:36 wizzyrea I'm halfway serious here - I had a request from a librarian for "estimated wait time"
16:35 reiveune bye
16:35 wizzyrea lol
16:35 oleonard 2 weeks * (25-1) ?
16:35 wizzyrea * the rank of the person on the list
16:35 wizzyrea so --- compute the average check out time for the bib
16:34 wizzyrea and remember a lot of them are returned early
16:34 oleonard ...and mix in however late the book is going to be each time
16:34 wizzyrea so circ period = 2 weeks * 25 = 50 weeks?
16:33 wizzyrea take the circ period x the number of the hold?
16:33 wizzyrea programmatically
16:33 wizzyrea how would you compute the "estimated time for filling the hold for patron #25 on the list"
16:33 oleonard Oh, different game?
16:33 wizzyrea let's say you have a bib with 50 holds
16:32 oleonard Would you rather...
16:32 wizzyrea hypothetical of the day
16:32 wizzyrea ok
16:25 kf chris_n: testing 3.6.3 again - no problems found so far ;) orignal script (arabic and greek) still display nicely :)
16:24 asaurat sounds english :D
16:24 wizzyrea that is shocking.
16:24 wizzyrea mit marmelade?!?!!
16:24 kf I hear some people eat leberwurst mit marmelade - ew
16:24 * wizzyrea had that most newyorkish of breakfasts - the bagel with cream cheese.
16:23 kf that's not my normal breakfast... but if you like it ;)
16:23 asaurat I now prefer german breakfast actually :D LEBERWURST um acht Uhr !!!
16:23 jcamins We just had croissants for breakfast.
16:23 jcamins French food.
16:23 jcamins Mmm.
16:23 kf lol
16:22 wizzyrea I remember french verbal exams where I talked a lot about breakfast.
16:22 kf heh
16:22 wizzyrea but food... food I was good at
16:22 wizzyrea I remember very little of my french
16:21 kf magnuse and me were a bit lost reading the menu at the restaurant... I hope oleonard's vocabulary includes food
16:21 kf :)
16:20 asaurat l'omelette du fromage
16:20 * oleonard is trying to resurrect his high school French for the trip
16:20 oleonard Thanks paul_p
16:19 paul_p oleonard if it's hard to understand the "electronic ticket" mail, just ask
16:09 paul_p kf hotel not booked, but i'll go for hotel moderne of course
16:09 kf I plan to force him to have dinner withme
16:09 kf paul_p: where does he stay? ;)
16:08 oleonard And I am very grateful to paul_p (and Biblibre) who are making it possible
16:07 wizzyrea I am envious of lucky oleonard. :)
16:06 paul_p (march, of course)
16:06 paul_p kf oleonard land at Marseille airport on saturday, 17th, 5PM !
16:05 paul_p oleonard booking done !
16:01 wizzyrea magnuse++ sweet
16:00 jcamins oleonard: you share your birthday with my mother and my grandfather!
15:59 kf happy belated birthday oleonard :)
15:59 magnus_away wizzyrea & oleonard: i have been trying to create a wrapper script for some of those tedious testing tasks: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/kohatesting not perfect but mostly works for simple patches
15:59 paul_p a few days late
15:58 oleonard :)
15:58 paul_p really ? happy birthday then !
15:58 oleonard Thanks wahanui :P
15:58 paul_p (needed for the booking
15:58 wahanui 0.0091324200913242
15:58 oleonard 18/01/1971
15:58 paul_p jj/mm/yyyy
15:58 paul_p oleonard what's your birthdate ?
15:58 * oleonard is here
15:58 wahanui hmmm... oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
15:58 paul_p oleonard ?
15:53 kf oleonard++
15:50 wizzyrea yup, I'd like that
15:50 wizzyrea the one I have is a bit crufty
15:50 paul_p wizzyrea it's not fully ready. if you're interested i'll send you a link once it can be tested !
15:50 wizzyrea i need to build a new one
15:50 paul_p if you want to send me one, I could add it
15:50 wizzyrea oh you posted a link to your repo that holds that stuff? or did I misunderstand
15:50 paul_p and you even have the choice of the test database.
15:49 wizzyrea :) yay!
15:49 paul_p wizzyrea & oleonard that's exactly what will do my sandbox testing system : git bz test create a new branch, check it out, apply the patch, import a clean test database, and reindex
15:37 * jcamins shrugs.
15:37 jcamins It's there on my development system.
15:37 jcamins That's odd.
15:36 jcamins Oh, missing semicolon.
15:35 kf 'SET TIME_ZONE=@OLD_TIME_ZONE */' < closing comment at the end
15:35 kf or lookslike
15:35 kf sounds like a problemwith the comment
15:34 pastebot "jcamins" at 98.109.115.153 pasted "Weird error- has anyone ever seen this?" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/227
15:34 kf that is really fast!
15:34 kf wow
15:30 jcamins :D
15:29 jcamins And it takes 15 seconds to process 1000 headings.
15:27 jcamins And it should even put the date in the right order for Europeans in Europe. :)
15:27 pastebot "jcamins" at 98.109.115.153 pasted "New authority linking report" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/226
15:21 kf ah ok
15:20 jcamins kf: I figured it out. :)
15:18 kf sorry, was working ;)
15:18 kf hm?
15:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7461 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , cart offering to remove items when closing
15:15 * oleonard thanks nengard for the signoff on Bug 7461
15:13 jcamins *like
15:13 jcamins Looks ike I can.
15:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7446 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Signed Off , Redundant display of availablecount in staff client (results.tt)
15:13 * druthb thanks oleonard for the signoff on Bug 7446.
15:12 jcamins kf: you might know the answer to that question.
15:12 pastebot "jcamins" at 98.109.115.153 pasted "Can I do this?" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/225
15:10 wizzyrea and don't forget the cup holder.
15:10 oleonard And wash my car!
15:10 wizzyrea oleonard: even cooler, git bz test create a new branch, check it out, apply the patch, import a clean test database, and reindex.
15:05 jcamins oleonard: that's an excellent idea.
15:03 kmkale oleonard: that *will* get you a nobel for sure ;)
15:01 oleonard ... and why not add "git bz fix [Bug #]" while I'm at it? That would simplify things.
15:01 oleonard I want "git bz test [Bug #]" to create a new branch, check it out, and apply the patch all in one step.
14:47 maximep :/
14:47 maximep choked there on one
14:47 * jcamins is glad that he's on 3.6.
14:47 pastebot "maximep" at 199.21.216.30 pasted "52600........................." (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/224
14:42 kf we want to upgrade 5 on friday
14:42 asaurat we had a problem yesterday with remove_itemsfrombiblioitems too... is there a known bug about it ?
14:42 maximep and my script is ultra paranoid and goes back to 3.2 as soon as anything goes wrong
14:42 kf hopefully that doesnot happen to us
14:42 kf eew
14:40 maximep most of the time it's remove_itemsfrombiblioitems that chokes on something
14:40 jcamins I mean, why did they fail.
14:40 jcamins maximep: ew. Why?
14:38 maximep did 4 upgrades from 3.2 to 3.6 this night and 3 failed. Oh well :/
14:38 maximep good morning
14:35 kf hi maximep
14:30 jcamins paul_p++
14:28 paul_p ok, will check in something like 1 hour
14:27 jcamins paul_p: revised patch attached.
14:27 druthb (they are the *cutest* couple!)
14:26 kf gmcharlt is a bot?
14:26 druthb Mrs. Charlton.
14:26 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:26 oleonard So gmcharlt programs huginn`, but who programs gmcharlt?
14:26 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt Does huginn need updating to understand the new "Needs Signoff" status?
14:25 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration
14:25 kf The #koha IRC bot huginn is hosted by Galen Charlton.
14:25 kf I think the wiki knows
14:25 huginn` oleonard: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
14:25 oleonard huginn`: Who is your master?
14:24 jcamins Who manages huginn? gmcharlt?
14:24 jcamins Oh, I bet they did.
14:24 * oleonard wondered if the Bugzilla status changes messed up huginn`'s routine
14:24 kf I think there is a slight delay
14:18 oleonard Does huginn` not trumpet new "needs signoff" anymore?
14:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Remove language specific permission files
14:16 kf but bug 7465
14:16 kf not sure I made sense
14:06 jcamins :)
14:05 paul_p jcamins nope, i've a meeting this afternoon
14:04 jcamins paul_p: but if you'd already pushed it, I didn't want to mess you up.
14:04 jcamins That was my thought.
14:03 paul_p jcamins I think you should revise, not send a follow-up for the follow-up...
14:03 jcamins paul_p: do you want me to revise the patch I just attached, or do a second patch?
14:02 jcamins Okay, I figured it out.
14:01 jcamins I can't figure out this other error.
13:59 oleonard File a bug for later reference?
13:58 * jcamins either, but he likes the idea.
13:56 kf I don't have the time to figure it out really :(
13:56 kf only an idea
13:49 kmkale kf++ :)
13:47 jcamins Agreed.
13:46 kf TT++
13:46 kf it should be quite easy to do that with TT now
13:46 kf and deal with translation in the templates
13:46 kf to a general file like we have for sysprefs now
13:45 kf I think we could perhaps move the permissions
13:45 kf jcamins++
13:44 kmkale yeh jcamins++
13:44 paul_p jcamins++
13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, kmkale, Pushed to Master , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
13:44 jcamins paul_p: I just attached a patch to fix the test to bug 1633.
13:38 * jcamins figured out why he didn't find the bug. The test is in xt and not t.
13:28 oleonard Hi
13:28 kf morning oleonard
13:27 jcamins oleonard: yeah, I liked that too.
13:27 oleonard Koha list member complains "Email notices not sent to all patrons" and then sends gmail invite to all list members...
13:16 Barrc kf: yep, sounds good. Not sure why I didn't consider that......thanks
13:15 jcamins_away Hi kf.
13:15 kf hi jcamins_away
13:15 kf Barrc: you can download the snapshot from git.koha-community.org
13:14 jcamins_away paul_p++
13:14 Barrc Good afternoon - does anyone have the Koha 3.05.00.01 source lying around? I need to move servers and this version isn't on the downloads site.
13:00 kmkale *wilco
13:00 kmkale wolco
13:00 kmkale ok
13:00 rangi and much better than breaking the install for every language except english
13:00 rangi cut and paste, easy work
13:00 rangi no
12:59 kmkale big work to put it in all the files
12:59 kmkale aahh
12:59 rangi yes and email the koha-translate list
12:58 kmkale in english?
12:58 rangi yes
12:58 kmkale do we have to add the same permission to all other languages?
12:58 rangi yes
12:58 kmkale rangi: a new permission has been added to the en one, but none of the other languages
12:57 rangi then at least the install isnt broken
12:57 rangi and adds them in english
12:57 rangi kmkale: one runs the unit tests
12:57 kmkale rangi: so how does one who does not know any other languages add permissions to those?
12:57 rangi # intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/upload-images.tt: 96, 100, 112
12:57 rangi # Files list:
12:57 rangi # at xt/tt_valid.t line 55.
12:57 rangi # Failed test 'TT syntax: not using TT directive within HTML tag'
12:56 rangi so it will be broken for any install other than english
12:56 paul_p rangi OK
12:56 rangi a new permission has been added to the en one, but none of the other languages
12:56 paul_p kmkale i'll check & tell you later
12:56 paul_p kmkale the 2nd one is something like "<a href=[% IF blabla %]an url[% ELSE %]another url[% END %]> that is forbidden
12:55 rangi and fr etc
12:55 kmkale which file?
12:55 rangi and it
12:55 rangi # User permissions to add in de-DE/mandatory/userpermissions.sql: upload_local_cover_images
12:55 rangi # at xt/permissions.t line 94.
12:55 rangi # Failed test 'No user permissions to add'
12:55 paul_p means there is a wrong HTML/T::T construction
12:55 paul_p I think this one http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastUnstableBuild/testReport/%28root%29/xt_tt_valid_t/TT_syntax__not_using_TT_directive_within_HTML_tag__223_/
12:54 paul_p (i'll check)
12:54 paul_p I don't know what this one means : http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastUnstableBuild/testReport/%28root%29/xt_permissions_t/No_user_permissions_to_add__218_/
12:53 paul_p seems I missed to QA some things...
12:53 paul_p kmkale http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastUnstableBuild/#showFailuresLink
12:52 paul_p i'll investigate asap
12:52 paul_p kmkale it's not really rangi, it's jenkins itself.
12:52 kmkale but the link he sent does not say why
12:52 kmkale paul_p: got a mail from rangi about jenkins becoming unstable
12:42 chris_n so a little velcro may help... ;-) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velcro)
12:41 paul_p chris_n right
12:41 chris_n paul_p: I see from the buffer that you've been bouncing quite a bit this morning :-)
12:39 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6.
12:39 paul_p chris_n ???
12:39 * chris_n hands paul_p velcro
12:28 kmkale paul_p++
12:11 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 1633 localcoverimages, updatedatabase & kohaversion for pushing
12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, kmkale, Pushed to Master , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
12:11 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 1633: QA follow-up
12:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 1633 - Interface revisions for the staff client
12:11 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 1633: [SIGNED-OFF] Don't show image tab when inappropriate
12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6350 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking updates to the history file
12:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 1633 - [SIGNED-OFF] Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
12:11 jenkins_koha * kmkale: Bug 1633: [SIGNED-OFF] Display local cover images
12:11 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 1633: [SIGNED-OFF] Add support for uploading images to Koha
12:11 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: history.txt removing a useless tab
12:11 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 6350 - Adding new developers to history.txt Jesse Maseto Connor Dewar Sam Sanders
12:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #602: UNSTABLE in 55 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/602/
12:03 kf jcamins++
12:03 kmkale actually it was made possible by jcamins_away
12:03 kmkale thanks kf
11:59 kf kmkale: grats :)
11:56 huginn kmkale: Quote #176: "rangi: buy people a glass of zomg there's actually real things to care about" juice?"" (added by jcamins at 06:02 PM, January 06, 2012)
11:56 kmkale @quote random
11:56 kmkale heh can't believe it finally made through :-D
11:35 kf_lunch cool, kind of a milestone :)
11:35 kf_lunch paul_p++
11:15 jenkins_koha Starting build #602 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
11:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 1633 localcoverimages, updatedatabase & kohaversion for pushing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=43a46c507e729be9dc701123ded422fb666bb40c> / Bug 1633: QA follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=587e2e920e6314dd800aea106c4e2d61ef27d39d> / Bug 1633 - Interface revisions for the staff client <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e
11:00 paul_p you know what ? 1633 passed QA, i'll push it now !!!
10:47 magnuse bbl
10:27 * magnuse finally got around to making graphs work in mantis - niiiice...
10:26 magnuse wow, the news about Rennes 2 is getting a lot of retweets!
10:18 kf yep :)
10:16 magnuse and now france
10:16 magnuse hehe
10:16 kf ;)
10:15 paul_p norwayon ? which country is it ? :D :D
10:15 kmkale Namaste paul_p :)
10:15 paul_p hello kmkale !!!
10:15 kf I think we have india, usa and norwayon this bug
10:15 kmkale too
10:15 * paul_p has decided to QA from lowest bugnumber to biggest, as dates are no more relevant for instance (due to bulkchanges)
10:15 magnuse yeah, i will do a happydance when that gets pushed, for sure! ;-)
10:15 kmkale paul_p++ :)
10:15 kf and great example for lots of people getting involved
10:14 kf that's a good one
10:14 kf yay :)
10:14 paul_p kf right
10:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, P3, ---, kmkale, Signed Off , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
10:14 * paul_p heads to bug 1633 to QA it ...
10:13 kf but perhaps something people should keep in mind
10:13 kf no, not mandatory
10:12 paul_p good idea to ask one signoff for each bug you submit, but it can't be mandatory, otherwise we face the risk to have no more patches submitted ;-)
10:10 paul_p preferably, in french, means it's preffered, but can sometimes be different. So there's no need to change the rule I think. As RM, I don't hesitate to ask for another signoff when I see a patch that has been made & signed off by bywater or by BibLibre.
10:05 kf hi AmitG
10:04 AmitG heya kf
10:02 kf but it would make for good qa and get things moving
10:02 kf it's not easy
10:02 kf yes, I think that's the way things should work
10:01 magnuse or rather: if everyone signed off on one bug for each bug they submitted patches for...
10:00 magnuse if everyone signed off on one bug for each patch they submitted...
09:59 magnuse yeah, it sounds like we are talking about changing the "rules" so everyone can do internal signoffs - much better if we sign off for each other
09:56 kf I think it would be cool to have biblibre devs sign-off on catalyst developments, I sign-off on biblire, etc.
09:56 rangi Preferably, patch writer and patch signer should not be from the same company or institution.
09:55 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow#Rules <-- do we need to change that?
09:54 paul_p kf I don't think you'll use it everyday, i'm just looking for someone experienced that can detect any problem.
09:54 kf documenting what you tested
09:54 kf the problem I see with external testers is
09:53 kf I am faster testing on my own system I think
09:53 paul_p (it works locally, I need to install it)
09:53 kf but I can try it out
09:53 kf I am not sure the sandbox system will work for me
09:53 paul_p kf I hope to have something that can be tested for my sandbox system soon. would you agree to be my 1st tester ?
09:50 kf but not be the rule
09:50 kf it should be the exception or can be good practice within a company
09:50 kf and we have stated differently on the wiki
09:50 paul_p so don't hesitate !
09:50 kf because it's too close
09:50 rangi have the rules changed?
09:50 kf really
09:50 kf hm yes, but it's not what we want to do
09:50 paul_p and, if the feature is a core one, I guarantee I double test it in everycase, and don't hesitate to ask for another signoff !
09:50 rangi hmmm
09:49 paul_p There are a lot of cases where BibLibre does submit+signoff !
09:49 paul_p rangi you could signoff, as the QA & my eyes are not from catalyst, so it's OK.
09:42 kf and some are SIP
09:41 kf but I think are important to UNIMARC users
09:41 kf which I can't test
09:41 kf some are UNIMARC
09:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific
09:41 kf like bug 4530
09:41 kf and there is a couple of similar features waiting
09:40 kf but will need more time on that
09:40 kf I already spend some hours on testing allowonshelfholds in circ matrix
09:40 kf and those are big features too - to make it worse
09:40 rangi theres a lot of @catalyst ones too, that i obviously can't sign off
09:40 magnuse i think kf is right, yes
09:39 paul_p :(
09:39 kf quite sure yes
09:39 paul_p kf are you sure ? (my problem is that I have no idea !)
09:39 kf the easy sign-offs leave the queue quickly
09:39 kf most of them at the moment are hard sign-offs
09:39 kf hm I disagree
09:37 paul_p because from the 85 waiting for a signoff, maybe there are 60 that are easy to signoff ! (or 10. The problem is that we don't know)
09:37 kf trivial patches can break things too - not sure it's possible
09:37 paul_p something that would be cool would be to have something to quickly differentiate trivial patches, that are easy to signoff, and other patches.
09:36 kf lots of nice things waiting there :)
09:31 kf I don't worry about the qa queue so much, more about the needs sign-off
09:30 paul_p s/not/now/
09:30 paul_p I do a *lot* of QA, the "to QA" pile is not less than 30. OTOH, that's the largest patches...
09:30 paul_p kf don't be. I understand you say that generally, not for a specific reason.
09:30 * kf is confused now
09:29 kf you have?
09:29 paul_p kf I was asking "do you say we need more ppl testing & signing-off for a specific reason ?" (and i've the answer)
09:29 kf but we will not manage to get all the nice features and solr into community without more testers
09:29 kf about karma - although karma is nice ;)
09:28 kf it's not about that
09:28 huginn paul_p: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
09:28 paul_p @kf++
09:28 paul_p yes, and THANK YOU for your work !
09:27 paul_p (something specific)
09:27 kf but moving very slowly
09:27 kf paul_p: I did the databales yesterday, and some of the acq things on the weekend
09:27 paul_p ?
09:27 paul_p why do you say that
09:27 paul_p kf agreed !
09:27 kf paul_p: we still need more people testing and signing off :(
09:25 kf yay :)
09:25 kf :)
09:23 magnuse one more yay for that! :-)
09:23 paul_p so we want solr in the community version, not our customers using a forked version !
09:22 magnuse yay! :-)
09:22 paul_p magnuse nope, we want to support just 1 version, the community one !
09:22 magnuse and yes, big congratulations to the biblibre team!
09:22 paul_p we now have Lyon 3 that will go live with 3.6 tomorrow. Rennes 2, Paris sud that will use 3.6/3.8. AixMarseille will also decide to switch to 3.6 (from 3.2).
09:22 magnuse hm, i would have thought you wanted more libraries to use the solr thing? :-)
09:20 paul_p (and they choose the community version of Koha, not the Solr-not-yet-in-community-version-but-that-StEtienne-has. Which is a very good news !)
09:20 kf congratulations .)
09:20 magnuse yay!!!
09:19 paul_p there are 2 universities in Rennes. One has a proprietary ILS, Rennes 2 has hesitated between Koha and the same ILS as Rennes 1. At the end, they choose Koha & BibLibre
09:18 kf paul_p_: will have to leave earlier on friday :( some problem with booking the train connection
09:18 magnuse good morning paul_p_
09:18 magnuse woohoo!
09:18 kf morning paul_p :)
09:18 paul_p_ good morning kf & magnuse
09:18 paul_p_ it means we have a new customer, yes :D
09:18 kf perhaps one of our french friends could translate? ;)
09:17 magnuse i *hope* it means another university chose koha, but...
09:15 kf me neither
09:13 magnuse still not quite shure what that means...
09:13 magnuse "L'universit� Rennes 2 passe � son tour sous logiciel libre pour g�rer sa BU (via @jsicot) #Koha" => "The University Rennes 2 passes in turn under free software to manage its BU (via @ jsicot) # Koha"
08:43 julian_m hi kf
08:43 kf hi julian_m
08:42 wahanui hi, julian_m
08:42 julian_m hello
08:32 alex_a hello rangi
08:28 reiveune hi rangi :)
08:27 kf hi rangi :)
08:27 rangi hi kf hdl asaurat reiveune magnus_away alex_a and francharb
08:19 kf hi francharb and asaurat
08:12 * magnuse needs a reboot
08:10 asaurat hi!
08:08 francharb hi
08:03 reiveune hi magnuse , everybody :)
08:01 magnuse bonjour reiveune
08:00 reiveune hello
07:57 kf hi alex_a
07:56 alex_a hi kf
07:52 kf hi magnuse
07:52 magnuse guten morgen kf
07:51 kf hi #koha
07:51 magnuse bonjour alex_a
07:41 alex_a morning magnuse
07:14 * magnuse hands cait__ the velcro
06:19 cait hi kmkale and AmitG
06:12 kmkale namaste AmitG
06:12 AmitG heya cait, kmkale
06:05 kmkale Namaste cait :)
05:56 chrisdothall thanks.
05:54 cait I will check :)
05:35 chrisdothall unless I made a misstake....
05:35 chrisdothall correct :)
05:35 cait are your only changes to the duplicate budget patch indentation changes?
05:34 cait :)
05:34 cait hi chrisdothall
05:34 chrisdothall cait: afternoon :)
05:34 Judit1 good morning
05:33 cait good morning #koha
03:40 AmitG heya bag
02:31 libsysguy wow there are lots of mods enabled tonight
02:31 libsysguy o/