Time Nick Message 23:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio 23:47 * jcamins attaches a massive patch making a very small change to bug 7430. 23:44 jcamins :) 23:43 libsysguy that is truely magical 23:43 libsysguy if I don't like it, I change it 23:43 libsysguy you know, I have really grown to appreciate open source software after working with ILLiad and windows all day today 23:42 jcamins Yes! Another absurd amount of code written by yours truly. 23:41 libsysguy run away 23:40 libsysguy but yes that method 23:40 libsysguy haha I seriously thought you were afraid of the racoon :p 23:40 jcamins libsysguy: I was talking about the ModZebrations method. 23:38 libsysguy jcamins http://www.quickmeme.com/Lame-Pun-Coon/ 23:35 jcamins I shall back away slowly. 23:35 jcamins I have absolutely no idea what it could be intended for. 23:32 libsysguy where is lame pun coon when you need him 23:32 libsysguy sounds like some one was...zebranated 23:31 jcamins That is the name of a method. 23:31 libsysguy 0_0 23:31 jcamins WTF? 23:31 jcamins ModZebrations? 23:30 jcamins lol 23:30 libsysguy actaully I was just really angry from all the stuff I had to do today and I was considering deleting the catalog one record at a time :p 23:30 jcamins That makes sense. 23:30 jcamins Ah. 23:29 libsysguy we are re-importing our ebooks with better records and since you can't update a bib we just delete them and reimport 23:28 libsysguy i have a list of biblionumbers that i need to delete 23:28 jcamins What are you doing? 23:28 * jcamins has no idea. 23:28 libsysguy ... 23:28 libsysguy maybe not items 23:28 libsysguy i think if i delete from biblio it should get biblioitems and items 23:27 * libsysguy has had a rough monday 23:27 libsysguy I wish i was on vacation 23:27 libsysguy haha hey thanks jcamins 23:27 jcamins libsysguy: happy birthday. 23:27 jcamins libsysguy: aren't you on vacation? 23:26 * jcamins does not. 23:26 libsysguy does anybody know how to view the table cascades in schemaspy? 23:19 jcamins Good idea. I don't recall how I did it. 23:18 blahdeblah The problem is that the instructions on using a separate db server (in the wiki and the README) don't make it clear what's different in that instance. When i'm done here i'll update the wiki. 23:17 blahdeblah I moved the mysql stuff to the end of the script and it worked enough to get me a little further 23:17 jcamins I could've sworn I fixed that bug, but I guess not. 23:16 jcamins deluser test-koha 23:16 jcamins Hrm. 23:15 blahdeblah http://pastebin.com/kkureh14 23:14 blahdeblah No joy 23:12 jcamins Long day. 23:12 jcamins Sorry. 23:12 jcamins Then run it. 23:12 jcamins chmod +x ~/koha-remove 23:12 jcamins Then, sudo ~/koha-remove test 23:12 jcamins Uh, spell koha-remove right. 23:12 jcamins Suggestion: wget -O ~/koha-remov "http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/scripts/koha-remove;h=b9e5c2ab5f4b8c15100b3ae0a6626fb31a3e9465;hb=HEAD" 23:11 blahdeblah Is there a way i can manually remove the user? 23:11 jcamins Right, that's probably what it is. 23:11 blahdeblah Unless, of course, it hasn't made it into the Debian repo. 23:11 jcamins Guess my fix hasn't made it in yet. 23:11 jcamins Ah. 23:10 blahdeblah just downloaded this morning 23:10 blahdeblah latest 23:10 jcamins What version are you on? 23:10 jcamins I fixed that bug, but I guess it was after the version that you're using was released. 23:10 jcamins Ah. 23:10 blahdeblah Now i get the error "User test-koha already exists." when i run "koha-create --request-db test", presumably because i've already run it before. "koha-remove test" does not fix this. 23:09 * jcamins set it up once ages ago, and promptly forgot how. ;) 23:09 jcamins Sorry. 23:09 jcamins Ah, right. 23:09 blahdeblah That's where i put it, and it seems to work 23:09 blahdeblah According to the wiki page, db server is specified in /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf 23:04 jcamins man koha-create, rather 23:04 jcamins man kohacreate 23:04 jcamins DBSERVER? 23:04 jcamins I think there's a way to specify database server, too... 23:03 blahdeblah ? 23:03 blahdeblah so just DOMAIN and INTRA* 23:03 jcamins That's for if you want it to load a prepopulated database. 23:03 jcamins blahdeblah: you don't need DEFAULTSQL. 23:03 jcamins blahdeblah: yes, you should. 23:02 blahdeblah I was a bit concerned that DEFAULTSQL references a non-existent file. Is this an issue? There's nothing describing DEFAULTSQL in the wiki. 23:01 blahdeblah I assume i still need to create /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf as per the wiki? 23:01 blahdeblah jcamins: Thanks - checking them out now 22:42 maximep ok, thx 22:42 sekjal or -b -a, but no -x 22:42 sekjal -b -x and -a separately 22:42 sekjal maximep: yes 22:42 maximep so i have to rebuild -b and -a in 2 commands ? 22:41 maximep it isn't ? 22:41 sekjal since it's not compatible with -x 22:41 sekjal or perhaps so -a doesn't require some kind of hop-step 22:41 sekjal maximep: not sure why -x isn't standard... perhaps because ISO-2709 came first? 22:39 jcamins See man koha-create 22:39 jcamins request-db will print a message telling you exactly what you need to set, and populate-db will fill it in. 22:39 jcamins blahdeblah: that was for you. 22:39 jcamins Wait. 22:39 jcamins eythian: you should use the request-db and populate-db options. 22:38 wizzyrea see blahdeblah's question? Can the packages do that yet? 22:38 wizzyrea ping eythian 22:37 maximep wouldnt it just ask for the right permissions if it doesn't have them ? 22:36 blahdeblah Hi. I'm trying to install Koha according to the instructions at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze. I run a dedicated database server on another system, and it's not mentioned in the instructions what permissions are necessary on the database server to allow koha-create to do its work successfully. Can anyone point me to the appropriate info? 22:35 maximep is -x really slower ? Do you know why it isn't the default ? 22:28 Mkman good night 22:26 jcamins Ugh. 22:26 maximep not fun :/ 22:26 maximep and looking at how to restore it 22:26 maximep well, spend most of the day tracking half a day of lost data from last month 22:25 maximep saw u mention it several time before in this channel 22:25 maximep yeah, forgot about -x 22:25 jcamins maximep: if it makes you feel any better, the last three days have been like this for me. 22:25 jcamins maximep: sorry, I should've asked about that first! 22:25 maximep what a ridiculous day 22:25 maximep wow, all that to find out that just passing -x to rebuild_zebra fixes the problem. Probably the only notice we have with > 99999 chars :/ 21:50 jcamins Unfortunately, using it is proving harder than anticipated. 21:50 jcamins sekjal: I wrote a lovely Koha::Search::AddToIndexQueue method. 21:47 sekjal jcamins: probably because it is related to MARC mappings... but yes, it isn't entirely appropriate there 21:39 jcamins Not sure I see why that first one should be in C4::Biblio, as an aside. 21:34 jcamins No, GetMarcFromKohaField and GetFrameworkCode. 21:32 jcamins GetMarcFromKohaField and GetBiblioData, apparently. 21:32 jcamins Why does C4::Search depend on C4::Biblio? 21:32 jcamins Still running into circular dependency issues. 21:21 jcamins Figured it out. 21:21 jcamins Never mind. 21:14 jcamins Grr. This is very puzzling. 21:14 jcamins Bye. 21:14 wizzyrea even. 21:14 wizzyrea bye 21:14 wizzyrea bhe 21:13 oleonard Bye all 21:08 Mkman lol 21:07 * jcamins has successfully scared everyone away. 21:05 jcamins A lot. 21:01 * jcamins grumbles. 21:01 jcamins But, mightn't Koha::Search::Engine require C4::Context? You bet! 21:00 jcamins Logically, C4::Context really ought to offer a C4::Context->search_engine just like C4::Context->dbh. 21:00 jcamins I hate circular dependencies! 21:00 maximep ok thanks, will try a touchallbiblios and if not will try the LIMIT option 20:59 jcamins Argle blargle! 20:59 wizzyrea famous last words. 20:59 wizzyrea zebra is <reply> can be found at http://www.indexdata.com/zebra 20:59 Mkman eheh no problem 20:59 jcamins Zebra can be found at http://www.indexdata.com/zebra 20:59 jcamins Mkman: oh. In that case your first development project will be figuring out how to install Koha. ;) 20:58 Mkman jcamins: i am on Gentoo Linux not a debian based system 20:58 jcamins Mkman: if you follow the instructions in INSTALL.debian, that'll take you through the entire process. 20:58 jcamins Mkman: install it using apt-get. 20:58 paul_p maximep, an option is to add a LIMIT 33800,34900 to the rebuild_zebra.pl SELECT marcxml FROM biblioitems 20:57 Mkman a question. where can i get zebra? 20:57 jcamins maximep: I think it would, yes. 20:57 maximep 1000 20:57 maximep would touchallbiblios give an error ? 20:57 jcamins 100 by default, I think. 20:56 * wizzyrea wouldn't mind knowing 20:56 * wizzyrea honestly doesn't know 20:56 wizzyrea 100? 20:56 wizzyrea 1000? 20:56 wizzyrea what's the increment of the count? 20:55 wizzyrea somewhere around there though? 20:55 jcamins It's going to be after the 34000*th* record. 20:55 wizzyrea hm 20:55 jcamins But it probably won't be that biblionumber. 20:55 wizzyrea maybe look for biblionumber 34000? 20:55 jcamins wizzyrea: it does. 20:55 wizzyrea hmm does it do the indexing in biblionumber order? 20:53 maximep but really have to idea of how to test the marc of everything to find the bad one :/ 20:53 maximep found http://lists.indexdata.dk/pipermail/zebralist/2009-March/002132.html 20:53 maximep I know it'S after 34000 -_- 20:53 maximep 13:12:41-09/01 zebraidx(14745) 20d7d7fc8c7f0000 [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest 20:53 maximep 13:12:41-09/01 zebraidx(14745) 20d7d7fc8c7f0000 [log] MARC: Bad directory 20:53 maximep 13:12:39-09/01 zebraidx(14745) 20d7d7fc8c7f0000 [log] Records: 34000 i/u/d 34000/0/0 20:53 maximep log from rebuild_zebra 20:51 wizzyrea hmm 20:49 maximep what would be the best way to find that record 20:49 maximep we seem to have a badly formed MARC record in our db that prevent rebuild_zebra from finishing it's job 20:41 cait good night all 20:41 jcamins gmcharlt: very wise. 20:41 gmcharlt jcamins: I try to lead as boring an existence at work as I can manage 20:40 jcamins gmcharlt: would _you_ do that? 20:40 gmcharlt some people say "idiot", some people say "one who likes to live dangerously" ;) 20:39 jcamins And, my point that anyone who changes indexing engines on a production server during a busy period is probably an idiot remains unchallenged. ;) 20:39 jcamins gmcharlt: true. 20:38 gmcharlt jcamins: and if one were *really* worried about it, one could always use two web servers and a load balancer 20:29 jcamins Excellent. 20:29 jcamins Also, if you're switching back and forth between solr and Zebra while your server is busy, you deserve it to be a mess. 20:29 wizzyrea I don't see a problem with it really, lots of things make you restart apache. 20:29 jcamins Right. 20:28 wizzyrea it's not something you do all the time 20:28 jcamins graceful will do it. 20:28 wizzyrea but 20:28 wizzyrea depends on how busy the server is I guess 20:28 jcamins Quarter second? 20:28 jcamins Right now it works fine 'cause we use CGI. 20:28 wizzyrea that's what, a 3-5 second downtime? 20:28 jcamins At least, if you're running with mod_perl. 20:27 jcamins 'Cause that's the way it works with BibLibre's code now, and I don't want to try and find a workaround. 20:27 jcamins I mean, Apache. 20:27 wizzyrea ^^ 20:27 jcamins Server. 20:27 jcamins Not browser. 20:27 oleonard Why? 20:27 jcamins Does anyone disagree with my assertion that if you change indexing engines, it would be acceptable to require you to restart your web browser? 20:26 wizzyrea keke 20:26 * jcamins submit gratuitous bugs in an effort to move along the solr integration task. 20:26 wizzyrea "seriously? I have to turn that on?" 20:25 wizzyrea I was looking at 7001 and one of the things was to make a patron with a borrower attribute, that's why I was poking at that 20:25 wizzyrea ha! 20:25 sekjal I didn't even know such a preference was in there now 20:25 sekjal it's not 20:24 wizzyrea I just don't understand (and it's not important that I do) why it's even necessary. 20:24 wizzyrea it's really not an issue worth discussing, it's in, it works fine 20:24 wizzyrea better than going through a whole list 20:23 wizzyrea that would be the way 20:23 wizzyrea I understand if you went through and added a bunch of attributes, made them all searchable, then you wanted to turn them off 20:23 wizzyrea nope, i get that :) 20:23 wizzyrea oh, right 20:23 sekjal ... or maybe I'm misunderstanding 20:22 sekjal since each extended patron preference can be either made searchable or not, if the library doesn't want to search on any extended attributes, they can just make them all not searchable 20:21 wizzyrea sorry >.< 20:21 wizzyrea i've read that several times now, and i still don't grasp what you're getting at 20:19 sekjal the off-switch is on the preference itself; no global level is required 20:18 wizzyrea (but the software is always for the users - so there's that) 20:17 wizzyrea (users don't always know best) 20:17 wizzyrea (besides "someone said they wanted an off switch) 20:17 wizzyrea (but it's fine that it's togglable, I just don't understand the necessity of it) 20:16 wizzyrea i'll be boggling about it for a while. 20:16 wizzyrea still... that? 20:16 nengard heh 20:16 cait or what nengard said :) 20:15 cait like... other names? 20:15 nengard cause everytime someone adds something without an off seitch someone asks for an off switch :) 20:15 cait if you have things in there that might pollute your search results 20:15 wizzyrea it's mostly rhetorical :) 20:15 cait perhaps 20:15 wizzyrea but I want to know why we have a knob to turn it off. ;) 20:15 wizzyrea I agree, searching attributes is great 20:14 wizzyrea I'm not sure why you would ever want it off, but it is helpful that it tells you what to do if the pref is off and you've selected "searchable" in an attribute 20:14 cait I think it's a nice touch 20:14 cait searching for attributes? 20:14 wizzyrea hehe 20:14 cait huh? 20:14 jcamins wizzyrea: there's your answer. 20:13 * wizzyrea taps her toe 20:13 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, jcamins 20:13 jcamins wahanui: why? 20:13 jcamins cait: help me out here? 20:13 * wizzyrea waits with bated breath 20:13 jcamins uhhh... 20:13 jcamins wizzyrea: without a syspref... 20:13 jcamins wizzyrea: absolutely. 20:12 * wizzyrea boggles 20:12 wizzyrea it was preference worthy to make searching of extended patron attributes togglable?! 20:12 jcamins :) 20:11 cait you have a bug wrangler's permission ;) 20:11 cait nope go ahead 20:11 jcamins Good. 20:11 wahanui i heard No was failing unit tests 20:11 jcamins No? 20:11 cait jcamins: I am sure it will be :) 20:11 jcamins Does anyone have any objection to me submitting lots of bugs? 20:10 cait yay! 20:10 jcamins It will be glorious. 20:10 * jcamins will PODify his new implementation of Koha::Search::Engine. 20:09 jcamins Oh, I just found it it in C4::Search::Engine in the solr stuff. 20:09 jcamins But somehow that has to get called. 20:09 rhcl Mkman: do you know Ricardo Dias Marques? I think he's in Portugal. 20:09 jcamins The actual *code* goes in Koha::Search::Engine::Zebra. 20:09 cait ok 20:09 jcamins Oh, no, you misunderstand. 20:08 cait koha:search:zebra? 20:08 cait perhaps something with a zebra in it? 20:08 cait conflict even 20:08 cait I am not sure, but the solr work might confligt 20:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7429] CircAutoPrintQuickSlip description has a typo <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7429> 20:08 cait you confuse me 20:08 jcamins That was me repeating myself. 20:08 jcamins That wasn't deja vu. 20:08 jcamins That deja vu you all felt? 20:08 jcamins Wait, I said that. 20:08 jcamins cait: my instinct is Koha::Search. 20:06 jcamins And that is my final word on the subject. 20:06 jcamins C4::Biblio is a dumb place to handle indexing authorities. 20:05 jcamins Including authority-type things. 20:05 jcamins cait: ModZebra is the function that adds things to zebraqueue. 20:05 wizzyrea though it would be cool if people felt like they could speak their minds about such issues 20:05 jcamins wizzyrea: I will not take that bet. 20:05 wizzyrea I bet you money that libraries will do it privately. 20:05 jcamins cait: no, the question for fredericd was about something else. 20:04 cait and I am only your third... or even forth choice 20:04 jcamins My instinct is Koha::Search. 20:04 cait what does modZebra do? 20:04 jcamins Thoughts? 20:04 jcamins cait: I'm considering moving ModZebra out of C4::Biblio into Koha::something. 20:04 rhcl watching the responses to the LL post to the mailing list.... 20:02 jcamins paul_p: never mind. You may carry on. ;) 20:02 jcamins Oh, right. Forgot about that. 20:01 cait if he is in paris they are probably not around 20:01 jcamins :P 20:01 cait jcamins: can i help you? :) 20:01 jcamins cait: yes, I was going to tell him to go spend time with his children. 20:01 cait 9pm 20:01 cait bit late perhaps 19:59 jcamins paul_p: around? 19:57 Mkman ok. i will now set up the dev env. 19:48 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6030] Allow for html in letters in overdue notices <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6030> 19:38 jcamins fredericd: around? 19:37 wizzyrea yw 19:37 jcamins Thanks. 19:37 jcamins Ah! 19:37 wizzyrea then there's a checkbox 19:37 wizzyrea then edit details (it's kind of hiding at the top) 19:37 wizzyrea click details 19:36 jcamins How do I mark an attachment as obsolete on bugzilla manually? 19:27 wizzyrea just fyi 19:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7424 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha should have a designated place for custom CSS 19:27 wizzyrea bug 7424 19:26 * magnuse wishes #koha a good time of the day! 19:06 Mkman ok :) 19:05 cait it's good to do a dev install from git 19:05 cait ifyou are interested in developing 19:05 Mkman s/ate/at 19:04 Mkman jcamins: i am not in my development machine right now. but i will install it once ate home 19:03 magnuse one way to help the project and get to know the code is to "sign off" on patches others have written: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches 19:03 jcamins Mkman: have you set up Koha on a development system? 19:02 Mkman just give me some work to do, then with some times i decide in which part i am more confortable :) 19:02 cait don't scare him away! 19:02 jcamins Well, "help" in the loosest sense... I'd be able to make things more complicated by telling you where all the exceptions are. ;) 19:01 jcamins For example, if you are interested in authorities, chances are I'd be able to help. 19:01 cait :) 19:01 Mkman jcamins,magnuse thanks 19:00 Mkman :) 19:00 Mkman cait: no. but i love to read so i spend some hours there and i would love watching Libraries move to opensource tech 18:59 magnuse welcome Mkman! 18:59 jcamins Depending on what features/bugs you're concerned with, there may be certain people who you should know. 18:59 cait do you have a library background? :) 18:59 cait hi Mkman 18:59 jcamins Mkman: we're glad to have you. 18:58 Mkman jcamins: i am not a expert programmer or in fact an programmer, i am a hobbyst that know some perl i would like to help your project and improve my skills also 18:57 jcamins What are you interested in working on? 18:57 jcamins ^^ that's why we have wahanui. ;) 18:57 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 18:57 jcamins mailing lists? 18:57 jcamins You'll also want to join the koha-devel mailing list. 18:56 jcamins Mkman: the IRC channel is a good place to spend time if you'll be developing. 18:55 jcamins :) 18:55 wahanui getting involved is probably http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ 18:55 jcamins getting involved? 18:55 jcamins getting involved is http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ 18:55 jcamins Get involved is http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ 18:55 jcamins No luck there either. 18:55 jcamins get involved? 18:55 jcamins That didn't work. 18:55 jcamins Getting involved? 18:55 Mkman i would like to join some development of your software. where can i start? 18:50 Mkman yeh i kind of guess that from the last message lol 18:50 jcamins Mkman: wahanui is a bot. 18:50 wahanui mkman: i haven't a clue 18:50 Mkman wahanui: que tal o que lol ? 18:49 wahanui que tal, Mkman 18:49 Mkman Hello 18:45 cait or ignore me on the phone 18:45 cait or it was used to be checkout date and should be 18:45 cait in the pref description 18:45 cait I think 18:45 cait wron spelling 18:45 cait it's old checkout date 18:43 nengard it could just be my messy data, so i'd like someone else to give it a whirl 18:42 nengard ace 18:42 nengard can someone test something for me - set your renewalbaseperiod to 'the old due date' and then renew an item - note the number of days the item was renewed for - was it right? did it follow the circ rule and the system preference? I tested this and my checkout period is 10 days but when I renew with this preference it gives the patron 14 days with the item - in fact it gives them 14 days on all renewals even with diff rules in pl 18:32 * jcamins lives in the city, and therefore doesn't have a grill. 18:29 jcamins bag has a grill that can grill *anything*. 18:29 * jcamins shrugs. 18:29 oleonard Seriously? Grilled cake? 18:28 * jcamins thinks everyone in places where grills are allowed should have grilled cake. 18:27 jcamins :( 18:27 bag I've heard of it - but not this time 18:27 jcamins bag: grilled cake? 18:26 bag working and then I'm going to grill some steaks and enjoy a cake with Sonja (my wife) 18:26 paul_p what's your plan for your birthday bag ? 18:26 skushner I used debian.install using dev/git and keep getting 403 error from Apache, and have no idea why? anyone...? 18:25 bag thanks 18:25 magnuse yay for Paris-sud 18:25 paul_p hey, right ! happy birthday too bag ! 18:25 paul_p hey, right ! happy birthday too bad ! 18:25 nengard paul_p ALA falls on my bday every year so I'm in a hotel for my bday :( but I do have my ByWater family there with me! 18:25 paul_p bag, yep. it was the 1st day of a new project, University Paris-sud has choosen Koha. One more university ! 18:25 bag hey paul_p I just found out that libsysguy also shares today as a birthday with us :d 18:24 bag nope but I hope it was a good day 18:24 magnuse ouch 18:24 paul_p bag, well, alone in an hotel is not the funniest place to be ;-) 18:24 bag hey paul_p how's the birthday going :D 18:24 paul_p magnuse, not yet time to sleep ;-) 18:23 jcamins paul_p: happy birthday! 18:23 paul_p thx for the happy birthday send by pm by many of you ;-) 18:23 magnuse bonne nuit, paul_p 18:22 magnuse charlton, even. coincidence? hardly! 18:22 paul_p hello from an hotel near paris ! 18:22 paul_p pfiou... 114 mails in my inbox, most of them needed a lot of time to deal with... 18:22 magnuse http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/01/02/charlton-library-sends-police-to-collect-overdue-books-from-5-year-old/ 18:21 jcamins No indeed! 18:21 magnuse yeah, you don't want to mess with the library police 18:20 cait oh 18:20 * cait goes to look up truncheon 18:19 * oleonard bangs his library truncheon against his library body armor menacingly 18:19 magnuse heh 18:19 cait lol 18:19 gmcharlt magnuse: heh - apparently Google respects The Library Police (tm) ;) 18:17 rhcl Well, I think duckduckgo is in the MS camp, so that's probably why it's showing twisted results, especially if they see my OS id'ing as linux 18:16 rhcl ah 18:16 oleonard rhcl: I mean the blazingmoon one 18:15 rhcl duckduckgo? Oh, that site has been getting some publicity recently. Including suggestions FF might make them the default search engine before they renewed w/ google 18:15 oleonard I've seen that site before rhcl. If I recall correctly it's out of date and not helpful 18:14 magnuse hehe 18:14 magnuse heh, galen's backup of the old wiki comes before the new wiki... 18:14 rhcl strange return priority. They must be using zebra for indexing 18:13 rhcl kohakenya? koha on windows? 18:13 * magnuse sees it to 18:13 rhcl does anybody else see the hit "blazing moon"? where'd that come from? 18:12 rhcl http://duckduckgo.com/?q=koha+install 18:09 magnuse hehe 18:09 wizzyrea I told you I've been thinking about this for a while ;) 18:09 magnuse yay 18:08 wizzyrea I updated that recently to suggest packages first. 18:08 wizzyrea yeap. 18:08 magnuse actually http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ is the second hit (at least for me) - that might be an important entrypoint, i guess 18:07 * wizzyrea waits for paul_p to say something 18:07 wizzyrea yea 18:07 magnuse so we need to think about some SEO too... 18:06 magnuse the wiki is nowhere to be seen if you google "install koha"... 18:06 magnuse yeah, and part of the trouble is getting them to the right place 18:06 magnuse hehe 18:06 wizzyrea but of cousre that requires people to READ 18:05 wizzyrea i.e. STOP IT - go and use the packages <instructions> 18:05 wizzyrea might be able to build that into the makefile 18:05 cait flowchart I think 18:05 cait yep 18:05 magnuse ooh, that would be cool! 18:05 cait do you plan ot use other languages yes no 18:05 cait like: do you plan to make changes yes - no 18:05 magnuse flowchart? 18:05 wizzyrea diagram? 18:05 cait not sure how you call them 18:04 cait perhaps we need a picture 18:04 wizzyrea which need their own instructions *anyway* 18:04 cait hm 18:04 wizzyrea or .Translations 18:04 wizzyrea install.DEVIAN.Standard 18:04 wizzyrea install.DEBIAN.Dev 18:04 wizzyrea install.DEBIAN.Packages 18:04 wizzyrea they need to be all split out 18:04 wizzyrea my thinking is 18:04 wizzyrea but 18:03 wizzyrea right, so with some caveats 18:03 magnuse except if you need translations, that's not available for the packages yet... 18:03 wizzyrea with all of the manual dohickeys 18:03 wizzyrea 3. we should include instructions for "dev mode" only 18:03 wizzyrea 2. we need to get rid of the "standard" install instructions and replace with "packages install" 18:03 magnuse yeah, good one! 18:02 wizzyrea always 18:02 wizzyrea 1. we need to suggest that people use the packages FIRST 18:02 wizzyrea magnuse: i have actually been thinking about this quite a lot lately 18:01 magnuse i just started http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install-instructions_on_the_wiki_RFC - feel free to shoot it down or add your own great ideas! 18:01 cait thx :) 18:01 magnuse welcome back cait! 18:00 cait back :) 17:51 librarygeekadam i really appreciate the help and advice...have a happy new year! 17:50 librarygeekadam cool...libyaz4 may work and I should just proceed and see what happens 17:50 magnuse yeah, we should clean that up 17:50 * oleonard is frustrated that those instructions on the wiki differ from the INSTALL file 17:50 * magnuse would recommend the INSTALL.* files that come with Koha over anything in the wiki 17:49 librarygeekadam ahhh i see 17:49 magnuse librarygeekadam: that might not be a problem, see: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid;h=562dafd01c305c79fb19fbc701c338b5ed0eac3c;hb=HEAD#l88 17:49 oleonard FWIW librarygeekadam I have a working Koha test system in a VM and get the same results 17:47 librarygeekadam i have libyaz4 17:46 librarygeekadam it is under #5 on the instructions 17:46 librarygeekadam the full command is "install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | grep none 17:45 librarygeekadam from the http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 17:45 oleonard Which? 17:45 librarygeekadam yes 17:45 oleonard librarygeekadam: Is running the "grep none" command part of some instructions you're following? 17:42 librarygeekadam is any one there? 17:38 librarygeekadam i need some help with installing koha 3.6.2 on Ubuntu 11.10. I am running the "grep none" command and getting the libyaz3 and libyaz3-dev to show up as none. I fixed this one other time but I don't remember how and I cannot find documentation online. Does anyone have an idea to help me? I appreciate it 17:38 oleonard Only took us eight years to get that working :) 17:38 oleonard One of the first issues that came up was why we couldn't initiate the holds process from a patron page as opposed to a biblio page 17:33 magnuse heh 17:31 rhcl wow 17:30 oleonard What's just as nostalgic about it is that the emails were exchanged using the custom-built web-based email system I wrote for the library in ColdFusion 17:29 oleonard Not-quite-officially 2.0 I think 17:29 magnuse which version would that have been? 17:29 oleonard Looking back I think our staff was incredibly patient 17:29 magnuse yay! 17:28 oleonard September 2, 2003 was our go-live date 17:28 wizzyrea was that cool or traumatic? 17:28 * oleonard was just given a folder containing some printed-out emails from the time when we first switched to Koha 17:27 magnuse wizzyrea: lol 17:27 jcamins It took forever to cook, but was totally worth it. 17:27 jcamins BTW, the coffee cake is delicious. 17:24 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot wait 17:24 wizzyrea forget wait 17:24 wahanui wait, is it only in items? 17:24 wizzyrea wait, what? 17:24 wizzyrea well I was thinking of "IRC bouncer" but I could use my own bouncer. You know, with my international fame and all. 17:23 magnuse wizzyrea: as in "a type of security guard employed at venues such as bars, nightclubs or concerts to provide security, check legal age, or to refuse entry for intoxication, aggressive behavior, or lack of attractiveness."? 17:23 rhcl "Our proprietary technology scans all comments " if that's any help 17:22 jcamins Might be a good idea. 17:22 Guest23478 phew. I really ought to find a place to stash a proper bouncer. 17:19 magnuse nah, probably not 17:18 magnuse the api is open? 17:14 * wizzyrea wonders if there is an open analog 17:13 wizzyrea www.covercake.com 17:12 wizzyrea http://www.covercake.com/docs/api 17:12 wizzyrea have you guys seen this: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/covercake_launches_analytics_dashboard_for_book_in.php 17:11 kf time to leave for me - bbl :) 17:11 kf :) 17:09 jcamins This coffee cake is taking forever to cook. 16:58 bag oh Wow!!! kice 16:58 kf Alles Gute zum Geburtstag bag :) 16:50 rhcl_away Happy BAG day! 16:46 bag awesome! 16:46 magnuse gratulerer med dagen bag! 16:46 jcamins Happy birthday! 16:46 bag It's gonna be a great day! 16:45 bag hey thanks all! 16:43 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 16:43 magnuse @later tell paul_p happy brthday! 16:43 jcamins skushner: it shouldn't, no. 16:42 kf 3 on one day? 16:42 skushner Q: Can installing apache from apt-get instead of sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages create problems for installer? (ie. Getting forbidden 403 error on install...)? thx. 16:41 nengard kf the other is libsysguy 16:41 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 16:41 wizzyrea @later tell paul_p happy brthday! 16:41 kf oh happy birthday bag :) 16:41 huginn kf: The operation succeeded. 16:41 kf @later tell paul_p happy birthday! 16:41 wizzyrea bag :) 16:41 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot other 16:41 wizzyrea forget the other 16:41 wahanui i heard the other was the inability to have more than one IP range for a library 16:41 kf who is the other? 16:41 kf oh 16:40 wizzyrea nice :) 16:40 wizzyrea is it paul_p's birthday too? 16:40 huginn bag: The operation succeeded. 16:40 bag @later tell paul_p Happy Birthday today! 16:38 wizzyrea yea, I guess so. 16:36 nengard oh well 16:34 jcamins They're not part of NACO, and I'm pretty sure non-heading information is never updated. 16:34 jcamins Nope. 16:34 nengard will they update my authority?? :) 16:34 nengard woo hoo 16:34 jcamins nengard: your book has been acquired by my library school's library. 16:32 jcamins wizzyrea: are you having some issues with your internet connection? 16:31 jcamins That's good, because there's a ton. 16:31 kf there is nothing wrong with lots of streusel 16:30 jcamins Actually, it's really more streusel with coffee cake. 16:29 kf wb wizzyrea :) 16:12 kf tcohen++ 16:12 kf oh 16:12 tcohen i was looking to invalidate frameworks cache on write so you dont have that problem you mentioned 16:12 kf the thing to build the item forms has html code inside the pl... 16:12 kf some of the marc related things are hard to look at 16:12 kf ? 16:12 kf candidate for Koha:: 16:11 tcohen there isn't a C4 / Koha module 16:11 kf ah 16:11 tcohen marc_subfields_structure.pl has all the logic inside 16:10 kf the code that changes frameworks? :) 16:10 kf ? 16:10 * tcohen can't belive the code that changes frameworks its inside the .pl files 16:08 wizzyrea ooo 16:08 kf some display problems in one of my projects 16:07 wizzyrea :) 16:07 wizzyrea naw, it's correct usage, I just wonder why : 16:07 kf thinking but... more frustrating 16:07 oleonard brooding is correct 16:07 kf breeding? 16:07 wahanui rumour has it no is failing unit tests 16:07 kf no? 16:07 wizzyrea brooding? 16:07 * kf makes hot chocolate and waits for the streuselkuchen while brooding over css problems 16:05 kf mmh streuselkuchen 16:04 reiveune bye 16:00 wizzyrea ^ best status ever 16:00 * jcamins goes to make a coffee cake with streusel. 16:00 jcamins Good idea! 15:58 wizzyrea the packages could even dump that stuff into the backups 15:58 wizzyrea right - that's one thing that we can help koha admins with 15:57 jcamins Additional reason there should be a separate directory: people forget to rescue their customizations when moving to a new server. 15:53 jcamins wizzyrea: right, if you put it in en, you have to put that in the database, and now your de installations have jQuery inserting English words. 15:53 wizzyrea perhaps an email to the dev list is in order 15:53 kf or best option we have now 15:53 jcamins +1 15:53 wizzyrea the path doesn't really matter, it's definable in the sysprefs 15:52 kf I think that would be good 15:52 * kf nods 15:52 wizzyrea outside of translations 15:52 wizzyrea take it up a few levels 15:52 jcamins This seems sensible. 15:52 wizzyrea so, what about koha-tmpl/intranet/custom_css or something 15:52 jcamins It's a bigger problem with js, because then you end up with English strings. 15:51 jcamins kf: actually, even bigger issue: you have to hardcode the 'en' into the database. 15:50 jcamins kf: yes, that's why I recommend against it. 15:50 kf if you activate a language later and forget to copy the file... it will look ugly 15:50 wizzyrea ^^ is a good answer because I can make it happen, is a bad answer because it will likely incite a lot of debate ^.^ 15:50 kf bad idea 15:50 wahanui translations are there... And might help stoping the warnings. 15:50 kf translations 15:49 jcamins It's a bad idea. 15:49 wizzyrea ok good, that's kind of both what I was and wasn't hoping for 15:49 jcamins I've seen people put them in koha-tmpl/prog/en/css 15:49 jcamins There should be. 15:49 jcamins wizzyrea: there is not a good place for custom CSS files. 15:49 wizzyrea lulz :) 15:49 * jcamins cowers. 15:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , User Configurable Slips 15:47 wizzyrea dumb question (probably) is there a sanctioned place in a standard koha install where one would stash their custom CSS files? (I'm looking at bug 7001). Certainly, any old web accessible place would do, but I am sure someone is going to ask the question "where do I put these files, I'm not running anything but Koha on this server" 15:42 kf and oleonard++ 15:42 kf wizzyrea++ too :) 15:30 kf pm :) 15:29 kf I have a design/css/jquery... whatever will help question 15:29 kf oh cool :) 15:28 oleonard Yes 15:28 kf oleonard: around? 15:26 kf we have a weird winter this year 15:26 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.3�C (4:24 PM CET on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Steady). 15:25 kf @wunder Konstanz 15:25 maximep actually -12 with a lot of snow :/ 15:22 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -5.0�C (9:00 AM EST on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 15:22 maximep @wunder YUL 15:19 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (3:00 AM NZDT on January 10, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling). 15:19 tcohen @wunder wellington, new zealand 15:19 huginn tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. 15:19 tcohen @wunder wellington 15:13 jcamins That'd be very cool. 15:13 jcamins Authority control that understood subdivision authority records. 15:13 jcamins You know what would be cool? 15:07 kf gmcharlt++ 15:06 sekjal :) 15:05 nengard thanks 15:05 nengard bingo! 15:05 nengard oh ?. let's see 15:05 sekjal what about setting the tab managed to "ignore"? 15:05 nengard it's there when i go back to edit the item 15:04 nengard it does save the value though 15:04 nengard it never hides it 15:04 nengard i did 5, -5, -1 15:04 nengard which apparently you can't do - i tried all kinds of hidden values 15:04 wahanui hidden value is 0 which should make 653 $a visible in the OPAC. 15:04 sekjal hidden value 15:04 sekjal not lost value 15:04 sekjal sorry 15:04 sekjal you may need a different lost value 15:03 nengard doing a video on how to hide the lost field from the edit items form 15:03 nengard lost 15:03 sekjal nengard: what db field is mapped to $1? 15:03 jcamins I'm out of ideas. 15:03 nengard other ideas? is there a bug? 15:02 nengard my vm 15:02 nengard it's my test server 15:02 nengard don't have that 15:02 jcamins nengard: restart memcached. 15:01 nengard other 952 subfields have that value and are hidden 15:01 nengard I'm setting the 952$1 to -5 for hidden and it's not marking the field as hidden 15:01 nengard can someone test something for me? 14:57 oleonard Nice. I wish my staff get-togethers were in SoCal. 14:57 sekjal oleonard: yes, staff retreat 14:56 oleonard Is there a ByWater pow-wow? 14:54 sekjal just glad I'm going to SoCal for a few days... give me a chance to thaw a bit 14:53 jcamins sekjal: your home could be entirely bounded by plaster... surely this is better? :) 14:53 * jcamins will have the inside of an apartment. 14:53 sekjal :) 14:52 * magnuse has 2 square meters of mostly neglected garden... 14:52 wizzyrea ok - you with a chainsaw is simultaneously awesome and terrifying. 14:51 sekjal finally got a chainsaw 14:51 sekjal we're still cleaning up here from the great Halloween Storm 14:51 wizzyrea because you love the smell of burning leaves? 14:51 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0�C (3:20 PM CET on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 14:51 magnuse @wunder boo 14:51 oleonard Sub-freezing? Wow, we were out at the park yesterday in light jackets. 14:51 sekjal why did I buy a house in New England? 14:51 jcamins Well, that's one benefit to only owning the *inside* of an apartment. 14:51 magnuse ouch! poor sekjal 14:50 magnuse almost ready for some dinner 14:50 wizzyrea oof 14:50 sekjal oleonard: lots of yardwork yesterday in sub-freezing temperatures 14:50 wizzyrea sore? 14:50 oleonard Did you sleep outside on a rock sekjal? 14:50 sekjal cold and sore 14:50 jcamins Sleepy. 14:49 wizzyrea how is everyone this time-of-day 14:48 magnuse Hi wizzyrea. 14:44 jcamins Hi wizzyrea. 14:43 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 14:42 * wizzyrea waves 14:41 marcelr see you 14:40 jcamins marcelr++ 14:40 jcamins Woohoo! 14:35 jcamins Follow-up sent. 14:19 jcamins Wow. That's so old that I developed it on a system that I no longer have. 14:17 marcelr good 14:17 jcamins Adding a follow-up for es-ES and nb-NO. 14:17 marcelr np 14:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, koha, ASSIGNED , MARC21 field 545 missing 14:17 jcamins marcelr: Thanks for looking at bug 5226. 14:15 tcohen hi jcamins 14:15 marcelr hi jcamins 14:15 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 14:11 tcohen nevermind, i'm just stuck thinking on this 14:10 tcohen but will end touching the code that writes it, so it invalidates the cache 14:10 tcohen i.e. we avoid touching the code that reads data 14:09 tcohen is not the nicest way to deal with this 14:09 tcohen as this memoize/dynamic programming thing 14:08 tcohen just trying to figure out the best way to do it 14:08 tcohen whati am trying to propose is a way to invalidate caches 14:08 kf but I really think the cache needs to refresh when you change things - it's very confusing 14:08 kf only started using it for my test installation recently 14:08 tcohen yes 14:08 kf but I noticed a problem with frameworks - when you change something it gets cached instead of changing 14:08 tcohen no problem, it seems to work 14:07 kf tcohen: not sure I can help you here 14:06 * tcohen is happy, as flush_cache seems to work as expected in memoize 13:26 tcohen the docs say "it doesnt work" 13:26 tcohen for data invalidation 13:26 tcohen i'm about to do some tests on memoize 13:24 kf hi tcohen :) 13:23 tcohen hi kf 13:23 kf seems pretty silent here today 13:23 tcohen anyone here with time to talk about memcached? 13:21 marcelr thx 13:21 mtj yep, marcelr++ for sure! 13:20 kf marcelr++ for that :) 13:20 kf yep 13:19 mtj the 6700 patch for version-XXX is new for me... very nice! :) 13:17 mtj marcelr: thanks, yep, i'll just use the old method :) it will be fine 13:16 mtj heya owen 13:16 marcelr hi oleonard 13:16 oleonard Hi #koha 13:16 marcelr mtj: if your patch is complete, just send it via old method 13:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements 13:14 mtj bug 7167 13:14 marcelr 7167 is not yet through 13:14 marcelr mtj: 7167 13:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6700 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Better handling of version numbers in updatedatabase 13:13 mtj ooh bug 6700 13:12 mtj anyone know? 13:12 mtj but, i dont recall if the new method was finalised? 13:11 mtj 13:11 mtj im about to send a patch using the old method, and i wanted to use the new method.... 13:10 mtj perhaps biblibre or bywater peeps? 13:10 mtj does anyone have any new info about the *new* plans for updatedatabase.pl ? 12:39 asaurat thx happy new year too :) 12:27 tcohen happy new year :-D 12:27 mtj happy new year, asaurat and tcohen! :) 12:26 tcohen thanks mtj 12:26 mtj tcohen: straight to the point - google is our friend :) 12:25 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7310] Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7310> 12:22 tcohen is it worth writing "about" memcached or should I go straight to the point? 12:22 tcohen i'm about to write a little email to koha-devel on the use of memcached 12:10 magnuse hiya tcohen 12:08 tcohen hi #koha 11:35 asaurat salut paul_p2 =) 11:32 kf welcome to #koha Université paris Sud :) 11:32 paul_p2 showing IRC to my "students" 11:32 paul_p2 hello from Paris, where i'm training a new Koha library (Université paris Sud !) 11:32 kf wb paul_p 11:24 magnuse yup ;-) 11:23 kf cool :) 11:23 magnuse this coming weekend will see my customers moving to 3.6.2 and the packages! 11:23 magnuse but that's minor 11:22 magnuse still a problem with tiny_mce, though 11:22 magnuse ;-) 11:18 kf magnuse: told you you will figure it out :) 11:16 mtj w00t w00t 11:14 kf woot! 11:14 * magnuse does happydance 11:14 magnuse woohoo! looks like i managed to create a working koha-l10n-nb-no_3.6.2*.deb! 11:11 kf :) 11:11 asaurat :D 11:10 kf asaurat is busy :) 11:00 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7357] Subscriptions titles are replaced by "---" when duplicated <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7357> 10:49 * magnuse plays briefly with the idea of a plain text view of e.g. circ rules to help in debugging 10:49 kf 13:59 sekjal IsMemberBlocked checks for finedays IS NOT NULL 10:49 kf 13:59 sekjal so, if you have finedays = 0 in any of your rules, it'll trigger 10:48 kf and I am not sure we have a bug report for it 10:48 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7421] UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7421> 10:48 kf from the chat log I posted 10:48 kf I think so 10:47 mtj hmm, so thats a bug in the code somewhere?, and not in kt k's database? 10:47 ktk ok 10:47 ktk thx tons! 10:47 kf it's an alternative for charging fines 10:47 kf it only deactivates the feature for suspending patrons in days 10:47 kf it should not affect current checkouts 10:47 kf should have no side effects I think but the problem can reappear when you change your circ rules 10:47 ktk oh i hope it does not make books checked in for those borrowers right 10:46 kf which is... basically the same but still isn't the same 10:46 kf from 0 to null 10:46 kf it should have updated your circ rules 10:46 ktk nw it allowed me to checkout book for that borrower and the above query made changes at 56 places 10:45 magnuse kf++ mtj++ 10:45 kf happy it worked! 10:45 kf cool 10:45 ktk i was tensed since yday 10:45 ktk thanks thanks thanks a lot 10:45 ktk hi kt thanks tons this worked perfectly 10:43 kf update issuingrules set finedays = NULL; 10:43 kf you could try 10:43 kf hmm 10:43 kf all 0 not null? 10:43 ktk and it gave the numbers with 0 10:42 kf hi paul_p 10:42 kf select finedays from issuingrules; 10:42 kf like you did before - run the sql 10:41 mtj wow, nice info kf :) well done! 10:41 ktk how to check this finedays from issuingrules 10:40 kf did you check the select finedays from issuingrules? what was the result? 10:40 kf does changing the system prefer3ence make a difference? 10:40 ktk yes they have item types and i checked that too 10:39 kf here is some information too 10:39 kf http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-10-21#i_795564 10:38 kf and check if changing your OverduesBlockCirc system preference makes a difference 10:37 kf do your items have proper itemtypes? 10:37 kf http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2010-November/026432.html 10:37 kf but yes, this feature has been changed for the next version and perhaps updates to it will be in 3.6.3 - but I am not sure about that 10:36 kf I think there is something wrong in configuration 10:36 ktk or what could be solution 10:36 ktk wil it get sorted out with new version 10:36 mtj looks like it may be related to the above bug 10:35 kf there is a similar report to yours - but no solution 10:35 kf http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Patron-has-had-overdue-items-and-is-blocked-for-103-day-s-td3206574.html 10:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work 10:35 mtj bug 6328 10:35 ktk yes it was and hence i thought in upgrade it may go and i ran an upgrade 10:34 mtj ktk: you have this problem before the upgrade? on your 3.4 system? 10:34 kf could you check the output of: select finedays from issuingrules? 10:34 ktk its killing my head 10:34 mtj hmm, a nasty bug :/ 10:30 ktk still the same 10:29 mtj or is it still the same? 10:29 mtj so... has the blocking message changed now? 10:28 ktk so that is my question how to unblock him 10:28 mtj or becoz he is blocked for 830 days? 10:28 ktk no there are no overdue books 10:27 mtj becoz he has overdue books? 10:27 ktk for that patron 10:27 ktk but still it is not allowing me to checkout 10:26 kf that should be ok then 10:26 kf ok 10:26 ktk select debarred from borrowers where borrowernumber =3; when i ran it showed me NULL value 10:26 mtj ktk: replace 777 with *your* problematic patrons number... ;) ok? 10:24 kf and is 777 the borrowernumber of the patron you are having problems with? 10:24 mtj ... and set them to something correct 10:24 kf can you try: select debarred from borrowers where borrowernumber = 77 10:24 mtj ktk: ok, so you are gonna have to look and fix-up your borrowers.debarred values 10:24 ktk i tried running mysql command but no change 10:22 ktk no before the version there was a problem hence i ran the upgrade to sort out the problem 10:19 kf I think it's been probably an update problem 10:18 kf ktk: so findingout why it happened is important too 10:18 kf ktk: yes, but you don't want it to happen again 10:18 mtj that could work... ? 10:17 mtj mysql > update borrowers set debarred = null where borrowernumber = 777 10:16 ktk pl tell me hw to d that 10:16 mtj remove value from borrowers.debarred 10:16 ktk nw if i know debarred member how to unbar/unblock that member is the key question 10:16 mtj mysql prompt is best/easiest 10:15 mtj yep, or some sql, via koha reports 10:14 kf but others would be easier 10:14 kf hm or reports 10:14 mtj mysql prompt , or phpmyadmin? 10:14 ktk hw to look at borrowers.debarred 10:13 ktk yes upgraded from 3.4.2 to 3.6.2 to get out 10:13 kf yep, and if the answer is yes mtj's suggestion is the next step 10:13 kf has this installation been updated from a previous version? 10:13 mtj you may need to look at the value for 'borrowers.debarred' for this patron record 10:12 kf ok 10:09 ktk for the library 10:09 kf have you entered the circ rules for the default or for the library? 10:08 kf but there is a pull down on top 10:08 kf yes 10:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7241] circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7241> 10:07 ktk its only one library 10:07 kf for default library and the specific library where this happens? 10:06 kf yep, I think that is the next step 10:06 ktk i checked that 10:06 ktk that is 0 only 10:06 mtj and check your circ rules, specifically your 'Suspension in Days (day)' values 10:05 ktk yes thats as well correct 10:05 ktk let me check 10:04 mtj system clock is correct? 10:04 ktk yes cron is set 10:04 kf has the cronjob for fines been run on this system? 10:04 mtj ktk: is your system clock set correctly? 10:03 kf can you post an image of your circulation rules? 10:03 kf I can see the images 10:03 ktk i tried pasting it 10:03 ktk why the link is coming blank 10:03 ktk http://static.inky.ws/image/1088/image.jpg 10:02 ktk http://static.inky.ws/image/1088/image.jpg 10:02 ktk http://static.inky.ws/image/1088/image.jpg 10:00 ktk ok let me check 10:00 mtj i couldnt find anything better :/ 10:00 mtj inky.ws looks to do images, ok 09:57 mtj hmm, i'm not sure pastebin does images too! :/ 09:56 kf i am not sure mibpaste can handle images 09:55 kf and give us that link 09:55 kf you have to upload the screenshot somewhere 09:55 ktk hw can i give link from PasteBin 09:54 ktk sorry 09:54 ktk http://mibpaste.com/ydFN4S 09:54 mtj oops, that didnt work, try again... 09:53 ktk http://wbe003.mibbit.com/?settings=b38321bfd8c98914b434d93925aeaa44&server=irc.oftc.net&channel=%23koha 09:52 ktk http://mibpaste.com/ozWrwb 09:52 kf we have no link ktk :) 09:52 ktk check the screenshot 09:52 kf and that worries me actually 09:52 kf fine in days was changed recently... 09:51 kf mtj: or it's a real bug 09:51 ktk i just want to get solution to the problem now. 09:50 * mtj waves back at magnuse 09:49 mtj ktk: my hunch... you have a buggy circulation rule? 09:49 * magnuse waves at mtj 09:49 mtj ktk: if you pastebin a screenshot, i'll take a look at it 09:45 ktk and there Gone no Address: Yes No Restricted: Yes No Lost Card: Yes No "everything here is No" 09:44 kf at the bottom 09:44 kf and go to patron flags 09:44 kf open the patrn record to edit it 09:44 kf please read what I write ;) 09:44 kf ktk 09:44 ktk as we gave 99 months for this category 09:44 ktk there is an expiry date but which is 2020 09:42 kf and if there is a date set 09:42 kf look at the debarred flag 09:42 ktk what to be looked in patron record 09:42 mtj ktk: as kf said... look at the patron record 09:41 Oak :o) 09:41 kf not nice! :) 09:40 Oak Overheard in the lobby of a Johannesburg hotel: "My wife is an hour late. She's either been kidnapped, hit by a motorcar or she's shopping. I hope she hasn't been shopping." -- Johannesburg Sunday Times 09:40 kf I think changing the rule is probably not enough here, as the patron records have been changed already 09:40 ktk how to check that 09:40 kf is there a flag debarred with a date set? 09:39 kf when you log at the flags 09:39 kf in the patron record 09:39 ktk i tried creating new rule and changing the category and rule to the patron for one of the patrons where i am getting an error as Patron has had overdue items and is blocked for 830 day(s). but the same error is still there 09:36 mtj happy new year everyone! :p 09:36 mtj heya amit :) 09:36 mtj ktk: and yes, you access/modify any mysql database with phpmyadmin 09:35 AmitG heya mtj 09:35 mtj category is itemtype, in this situation 09:34 mtj ... then test circ with a 'test' borrower 09:34 mtj add a circ rule for the problem category 09:33 ktk but what about old transactions 09:32 kf you can delete and change circ rules anytime - they will work for new checkouts (due dates) and fine rules will work immediately 09:32 ktk shall i delete that rule and then again create 09:31 ktk but already there are patrons under the circ rules defined 09:31 kf hi mtj :) 09:31 mtj ktk: try creating a circ rule, first - then test again... 09:30 mtj heya cait 09:29 kf paul_p or some other biblibrarian around? is there a known problem with fines in days? 09:28 kf hm that is correct 09:22 ktk defined 09:22 ktk yes but there is no value for this category 09:20 kf administraction > circulation rules 09:20 ktk our circulation is stopped 09:20 kf have you set a fine days value in your circulation rules? 09:20 kf I am not sure where the problem is 09:13 ktk is there any way by which i can open koha database in phpMyAdmin and unblock users where it is blocked pl. help 09:13 ktk koha-3.6.2 09:11 kf ktk: which version of koha are you using? 08:42 Oak magnuse++ 08:40 ktk can some one help to sort out error on borrowers "patron has had overdue items and is blocked for x days" 08:39 ktk is there any patch available to this bug then "to get rid of an error for patrons with message getting an error as patron has had overdue items and is blocked for x days" we are getting this error for several of our borrowers and we cant do any transactions 08:35 marcelr hi amitg 08:35 AmitG heya francharb, marceir 08:34 marcelr hi francharb 08:34 francharb hello #koha 08:33 magnuse yay, i think i figured out why building packages with l10n failed! just have to wait ~10 minutes to see if i was right... 08:28 AmitG heya kf :D 08:23 Oak :-| 08:23 kf no cookies 08:23 kf hm sorry 08:22 Oak do you have any cookies left from holiday season? 08:22 Oak nah. just tried something different. no reason. 08:22 kf ok :) 08:21 Oak you are in office now. so. 08:21 Oak :) 08:21 kf Oak 08:21 kf so formal? 08:20 Oak hello katrin fischer 08:12 kf hi marcel 08:12 marcelr hi kf 08:12 kf hi again #koha 08:09 marcelr hi koha 08:07 sophie_m hello 08:07 asaurat hi! 08:03 matts hi #koha ! 07:55 reiveune hello 07:55 alex_a bonjour magnuse 07:55 alex_a hello #koha 07:54 magnuse bonjour france 07:52 julian_m hello 07:36 magnuse guten morgen cait 07:32 cait bbiab 07:32 cait morning magnuse :) 07:28 Oak :) 07:28 magnuse kia ora #koha! 07:28 Oak magnuse 07:28 magnuse Oak 04:36 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 4.0�C (9:00 AM PKT on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 04:36 Oak @wunder islamabad 04:36 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.7�C (5:34 AM CET on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1029.7 hPa (Steady). 04:35 Oak @wunder Konstanz 04:35 Oak :) 04:35 cait hi Oak :) 04:35 Oak good morning cait 04:35 cait good morning #koha 04:00 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 1.0�C (8:00 AM PKT on January 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 04:00 Oak @wunder islamabad 03:35 bag night everyone 03:17 bag :) 03:17 AmitG bag: my party 03:07 bag hey thanks AmitG 03:07 AmitG heya bag happy birthday :) 00:25 jransom i havnt heard back yet whether they have followed through. 00:25 jransom our lawyer has written to ptfs accepting their offer to transfer their application to hlt, being the community selected koha nonprofit organisation. 00:24 jransom heya david 00:19 schuster Did HLT formally request the Trademark from PTFS? or can you talk about it? 00:19 schuster Hey jransom - so what is the status of the NZ trademark dispute? 00:07 jransom any catalyst staff here?