Time Nick Message 03:28 AmitG heya chris, bag 03:31 bag hey AmitG 03:39 mtj peeps, any idea what the url to Koha's perlcritic page is? 03:41 mtj rangi showed me a nice html table for each Koha *.pm module somewhere online 03:57 AmitG heya mtj 03:58 bag mtj if you find it again - please show me I'd love to see that 04:06 mtj heya AmitG bag 04:07 mtj yeah, its prolly on the wiki somewhere, but not the main kc.org wp site 04:09 mtj hmm, not on the wiki either (via a search) 04:11 mtj ahhhh, the perlcritic stuff is a jenkins plugin 04:11 mtj http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/HTML_Report/? 04:12 mtj http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/HTML_Report/? 04:13 mtj thats what im lookin' for :) 04:13 bag ah cool thanks mtj 04:13 bag mtj++ and rangi++ for that matter 04:16 mtj ooh, Devel::CoverReport looks to do the magic there 04:21 Oak kia ora #koha 06:03 wizzyrea hi? 06:03 * wahanui waves 06:03 wizzyrea oic. 06:07 Oak hello wizzyrea :o) 06:07 wizzyrea whaddup :) 06:09 Oak not much :) 06:09 Oak what about yourself? 06:10 wizzyrea well I just got a new laptop, getting everything set up all comfy like in ubuntu 06:10 wizzyrea but I may change it tomorrow, we'll see ;) 06:10 Oak cool cool. 06:10 Oak liking the new ubuntu desktop "improvements"? 06:10 wizzyrea well 06:10 wizzyrea some things I like 06:10 wizzyrea others make me want to gouge out my eyes 06:10 Oak exactly 06:11 * Oak uses XFCE 06:11 wizzyrea but, this lappy works better than any other laptop I've had with linux 06:11 Oak hm, that's good. which one is it? 06:11 wizzyrea admittedly the other laptops I've had were from that fruit named place in cupertino. 06:12 wizzyrea Asus u36jc-b1 06:12 wizzyrea totally great name, really sticks in the mind. 06:13 Oak :) yep 06:13 wizzyrea i have an asus transformer too - great piece of gear. 06:14 Oak hmm. looks nice. 06:14 wizzyrea it *is* very nice. 06:15 wizzyrea it runs that other proprietary OS pretty well too (I keep it around for games) 06:15 Oak very good looking keypad... like comfortable 06:16 wizzyrea I like it - it has a nice subtle clicky sound 06:16 wizzyrea but not too much 06:16 Oak well, good. :-) 06:16 wizzyrea anyway, that's what's up with me :P 06:16 wizzyrea what are you up to? 06:17 Oak working on a website. it was made in Joomla 1.5. now I have to re-make it in Joomla 1.7 06:17 wizzyrea oh and ew. 06:18 Oak yep :) 06:18 wizzyrea remaking_things_due_to_software_updates-- 06:18 Oak i hate it 06:18 wizzyrea ^^ makes me not want to use said software. 06:19 wizzyrea i hope there's a very compelling reason to make the upgrade 06:19 Oak client likes the sound of "latest" and also 1.7 > 1.5, so. 06:20 Oak :) well hopefully once my MLIS is done (last semester), and I get a job in library, I will have the choice of doing what I like to do... and keep doing this as part time. hm. 06:21 Oak okay that's what's up with me :) 06:21 wizzyrea hm. that is not a compelling reason to me. But the customer is always right I guess. 06:21 wizzyrea :) 06:21 Oak yep. and we do what we are told. 06:22 Oak wait, there is one more reason, let me find the link. 06:28 Oak support for 1.5 will end in April 2012... there will be no more security patches. http://developer.joomla.org/development-status.html 06:28 Oak but as you will notice, 1.8 will come soon also, and then will have to re-make same things again. most probably. 06:29 Oak sorry, not 1.8, rather 2.5 06:33 Oak or may be not. there were major changes in the framework when update from 1.5 to 1.6 came. So we had to re-make things in 1.6. Hopefully, upgrades from 1.7 to 2.5 will be some kind of automatic process? like click and upgrade thing. I hope so. 06:34 Oak okay me quiet now. 06:34 wizzyrea yes, wow 06:34 wizzyrea that is so much work. 06:34 Oak yep 06:40 trea http://trac.edgewall.org/demo-0.12/report 06:41 trea oops 06:41 trea but yea, trac 06:47 * wizzyrea giggles 06:49 rangi ohhh 1998 called it wants its github back 06:57 wizzyrea hehe 07:07 cait hi #koha 07:07 rangi hi cait 07:07 cait hi rangi 07:10 wizzyrea hi cait 07:10 cait hi wizzyrea :) 07:12 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7388] rounded corners for side menus in staff client <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7388> 07:13 Oak hello miss cait 07:13 cait hi mr Oak :) 07:14 cait thx for the link :) 07:14 Oak :) 07:14 Oak ah 07:14 Oak no problem :-) 07:22 cait @wunder Reutlingen 07:22 huginn cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 1.7�C (8:21 AM CET on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 28.58 in 967.7 hPa (Steady). 07:22 rangi @wunder nzwn 07:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 07:35 wizzyrea chillyish 07:36 rangi yeah, cold front sitting over the whole of the country 07:56 jai hello 07:56 jai i am from keraal 07:57 jai hi 07:57 jai ru ther 07:58 cait hi jai 08:00 cait do you have a question? 08:00 cait and morning julian_m 08:00 julian_m hi cait 08:11 gaetan_B hello 08:12 cait hi gaetan_B and francharb 08:12 francharb hi cait 08:13 lducos hello koha 08:13 cait hi lducos 08:17 greenmang0 friends, i just installed latest koha ,,, with all default data in db , then started zebrasrv ... but when i run /rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -v ... it shows 0 records 08:17 greenmang0 what can be the reason? 08:18 cait have you imported records? 08:18 cait the default records don't include that 08:18 cait I mean the default data 08:31 greenmang0 cait, i just followed web installer ... and checked all the boxes 08:32 cait yes 08:32 cait but it does not install bilbiographic data 08:32 cait you have to catalog some books yourself :) 09:16 paul_p hello everybody 09:17 * paul_p suspect there wont be a lot of ppl today ;-) 09:17 magnuse hiya paul_p and everyone else! 09:17 paul_p hey, at least magnuse is here !!! 09:17 paul_p good morning my friend ! 09:17 * magnuse suspects paul_p is right ;-) 09:17 paul_p and "bon bout d'an" as we say in Marseille this week 09:17 magnuse and cait, surely? 09:17 magnuse bon bout d'an to you , then! 09:18 paul_p bon=good, bout=part (usually small) d'an=of year 09:18 cait yep here 09:18 wahanui rumour has it yep here is a good resource, if you have read the manual then probably the next place to look is the wiki 09:18 * magnuse looks quizzically at wahanui 09:19 paul_p to celebrate this end of year, ive clean my desktop (the physical one), and reorganised my surroundings ! will start the new year with a new office ;-) 09:19 magnuse and hiya cait 09:19 paul_p hello cait 09:20 magnuse yay for new beginnings! 09:21 cait new_beginnings++ 09:21 cait and bon bout d'an to you paul_p and magnuse 09:21 Oak magnuse 09:22 magnuse Oak 09:22 Oak new_beginnings++ 09:23 * magnuse is gonna take a crack at signing off all of bug 1633 09:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 09:24 cait magnuse++ 09:24 magnuse can't wait for that to make it in! 09:25 Oak :) 09:25 Oak magnuse++ 09:25 paul_p cait ? could you take a few minuts to explain me bug 7345? I can't figure what this patch will add into Koha. I just see it as an undocumented feature. 09:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7345 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Should be possible to export MARC records without private fields 09:26 cait I think it can be a first part and we can add to the gui later 09:26 cait and it's documented on the bug :) 09:26 cait perhaps I can write a follow up adding the option to the gui 09:39 greenmang0 cait, ok, i added some records now ... 09:40 paul_p cait, OK, it means I haven't missed anything. I think this patch should be "failed QA" without the effective option for the GUI. 09:40 greenmang0 cait, in admin interface i am able to search them ... but not in OPAC 09:40 cait paul_p: I will try to work on a follow up 09:40 paul_p cait++ 09:40 cait greenmang0: not sure, try the search faq? 09:40 cait search faq? 09:40 wahanui search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 09:40 cait afk for a bit 09:48 greenmang0 cait_afk, tried that, didn't help 09:49 greenmang0 biblio error 114 09:54 dil Can any one help me with the koha famework creation 09:55 dil When I start to create a framework it is taking up all the values around 900.. I need only 15 of them .. so does it mean that I have to delete the rest of the MARC record or is there any other way to do this 09:55 dil When I start to create a framework it is taking up all the values around 900.. I need only 15 of them .. so does it mean that I have to delete the rest of the MARC record or is there any other way to do this 09:56 paul_p hello dil. Do you know how to do some SQL ? 09:56 dil Not a techii 09:56 dil but yes 09:57 dil I can 09:57 dil Can you provide me with some link 09:57 dil or document 09:58 paul_p if yes, you can unactivate what you want with : UPDATE marc_subfield_structure SET tab=-1 WHERE tagfield='XXX' (XXX= the tag you want to hide) 09:58 paul_p UPDATE marc_subfield_structure SET tab=-1 WHERE tagfield LIKE '9%' will hide all 9XX fields & subfields, and you can reintroduce the one you want manually after that 12:05 AmitG Happy New To All :D 12:05 AmitG Happy New Year To All :D 13:05 oleonard Hi #koha 13:07 jcamins_away magnus_afk: when you are back at the keyboard, how did you manage to upload multiple images to a single record? 13:07 jcamins_away (when testing bug 1633) 13:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 13:07 jcamins_away I can't do it! 13:16 jcamins_away magnus_afk: never mind, after a bit of fiddling I figured it out. 13:17 jcamins_away magnus_afk: well, a lot of fiddling, but it's figured out. 13:31 magnuse jcamins_away: it came quite natural to me... ;-) 13:32 jcamins_away magnuse: yeah, my difficulties were user error. 13:33 magnuse jcamins_away: yay :-) 13:35 jcamins_away magnuse: now that I see what the problem is, I just have to fix it. 13:35 magnuse not too hard, i hope 13:36 jcamins_away I hope so too! 13:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7201] Hold to pull report needs extra fields <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7201> 13:37 jcamins_away I'm doing a bunch of the enhancements while I'm at it. 13:37 magnuse very cool! 13:37 jcamins_away Might as well, since I have the rebase -i going. 13:39 tcohen hi #koha 13:43 magnuse hiya tcohen 13:43 tcohen hi magnuse 13:51 tcohen paul_p++ for the monthly rm newsletter 13:51 paul_p thanks tcohen 13:52 paul_p (still here for one hour, then... see you next year !) 13:52 paul_p (and in a few weeks, i'll celebrate the 10 anniversary of my 1st patch on Koha !!!) 13:54 magnuse paul_p++ 13:54 magnuse something to celebrate indeed! 13:55 magnuse 7th committer, eh? 13:56 paul_p magnuse, 7th or 6th, I don't remember 13:56 magnuse 7th according to the excellent timeline now included in the intranet ;-) 13:58 tcohen paul_p: show I mark bug 6193 as need_signoff? 13:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables 13:58 paul_p tcohen, yes. Did I forget to do it ? sorry 13:59 jcamins_away magnuse: revised patches posted. 13:59 jcamins_away Please test, sign off, and so forth. :) 14:00 magnuse jcamins_away: excellent! i think i will have time for it today 14:00 jcamins_away Woohoo! 14:00 magnuse jcamins++ 14:00 jcamins_away magnuse++ 14:00 magnuse well, let's see if i actually make it before celebrating too much, eh? ;-) 14:00 jcamins_away magnuse: if I give you karma for it, you'll feel too guilty to not do it. ;) 14:01 magnuse good plan! ;-) 14:01 jcamins_away paul_p: so you know, I'm not terribly attached to bug 7345. If you want to mark it invalid, I am completely comfortable with that. 14:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7345 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Should be possible to export MARC records without private fields 14:02 paul_p jcamins_away, I think it's a good improvement. And a follow-up will please me a lot. So I think it should not be abandonned 14:04 jcamins_away paul_p: okay. Just wanted to let you know that you didn't have to find a way to reconcile the patch with your vision, if you disagreed with it. ;) 14:05 oleonard magnuse: Why do you suggest that the thumbnails in jcamins_away's cover image viewer have alt="thumbnail" ? 14:06 jcamins_away oleonard: that's one of the changes I made. 14:06 magnuse oleonard: it seemed better than having alt=""? 14:06 oleonard I think that if someone is viewing the page without images, "thumbnail" isn't useful information. 14:07 * jcamins_away has no opinion. 14:07 * magnuse neither, really - it was just a gut reaction to an empty attribute 14:08 oleonard (In fact jcamins_away probably had the alt that way originally and I took it out) 14:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6193] Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193> 14:09 oleonard My rule of thumb is that if the image doesn't convey important information the alt can be blank. This is a tricky situation since the purpose of the interface is image viewing 14:09 magnuse yup :-) 14:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #580 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7328 Expanded options in advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1730e180cdbe11a7878ddfab54cec7291d12f430> 14:15 magnuse you what? suddenly i can't see any content on the Home � Circulation � Checkouts pages in any of the installations i have checked... anyone else seeing that? 14:16 ebegin Hello all ! 14:16 magnuse or anyone who can take the time to log in as demo/demo here: http://head.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl and tell me what they see? 14:16 magnuse hiya ebegin 14:16 ebegin magnuse, I can do that. hold on 14:16 magnuse yay 14:17 ebegin I get in the checkout page 14:17 ebegin http://head.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl 14:17 magnuse and it looks ok? 14:17 ebegin And don't see anything 14:17 magnuse empty page below the breadcrumbs? 14:17 ebegin i meant anything special 14:18 ebegin that is correct 14:18 magnuse ah, so you see the box for the barcode and everything? 14:19 ebegin yes 14:19 magnuse weird 14:20 ebegin oh, sorry, no... I mistake it with the top banner when we enter patron number 14:20 oleonard http://screencast.com/t/lTwcneUZ What did you expect magnuse ? 14:21 magnuse oh my 14:21 ebegin thank you, oleonard. I was looking for such a server (screencast) 14:21 magnuse i was expecting to see what i see after i have searched for the patron in the top box 14:22 magnuse wow, i need a holiday! 14:22 magnuse sorry for messing with your heads, folks! 14:23 ebegin magnuse, don't worry, the year is almost over ;) 14:23 magnuse :-) 14:23 oleonard ebegin: I think it was nengard who introduced me to screencast.com and the associated software. Very useful. 14:24 nengard http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/12/14/screencasts-for-koha-bugticket-reporting/ 14:24 nengard :) 14:24 ebegin A quick question. How independant are library when independant branches is turned on ? 14:24 magnuse nengard++ 14:24 ebegin ha nengard, she is never far 14:24 nengard :) 14:26 tcohen paul_p, as of that koha-conf.xml thing... do u think its ok the way I did or I should better just use setenv everywhere and leave the code alone? 14:26 magnuse ebegin: there are some hints in the description of the syspref here: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/administration.html#IndependantBranches 14:27 tcohen (besides it can be checked to actually work) 14:28 paul_p tcohen, the best thing would be a complete rewrite of the memcache layer, to have a unique and standard management of it (and something that can evolve easily). atm, we have various ways to do it, including momoize or no,... 14:28 ebegin nengard, are you using jing to record you tutorials ? 14:28 paul_p so I would say= do it the simplest way, we will have to fix it anyway 14:28 ebegin magnuse, thanks for the link 14:28 paul_p (unless you want to rewrite everything, which I would applaude ;-) ) 14:29 ebegin s/you tutorials/your tutorials/ 14:29 nengard ebegin, no i use screenflow on mac for the tutorial videos - i use jing for short videos for tickets 14:29 tcohen http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6971 14:29 tcohen i removed code handling the memcached stuff from libraries 14:30 tcohen and instead reuse the memcached object i added to C4::Context 14:32 magnuse o/ 14:32 paul_p tcohen, I like it that way 14:33 tcohen thanks, if there's any problem/bug with the code just let me know 14:33 tcohen i'll be at work 5 more hours 14:33 paul_p tcohen, I'll be here just 20mn, i think it will be for next year ;-) 14:34 tcohen 2012 will be great year for all you koha folks 14:35 magnuse yeah! 14:35 tcohen my best wishes for u all 14:35 tcohen ! 14:38 tcohen magnuse, the submit button appears in the wrong place 14:38 magnuse tcohen: huh, where? 14:38 tcohen http://head.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl 14:38 tcohen ? 14:39 tcohen (it was you who asked?) 14:39 magnuse yeah, sometimes it wraps around and is displayed below the search box 14:40 magnuse yep, it was me - the problem was that i was expecting to see lots of stuff below the breadcrumbs... 14:40 magnuse so the problem was between the chair and the keyboard... 14:41 ebegin That what I use to call a Code 13. The problem is 13 inches in front of the screen 14:43 magnuse hehe 14:45 ebegin A while ago, some support teams where also asking user to put " ID 10 T" in a .ini file. ID10T (Idiot) 14:48 tcohen jejeje 14:48 magnuse heh 15:04 magnuse o/ 15:04 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 15:04 wizzyrea heya 15:04 trea o/ 15:04 wizzyrea how is everyone today 15:05 ebegin @wunder montreal canada 15:05 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -15.0�C (9:00 AM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -21.0�C. Windchill: -25.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 15:05 paul_p hi wizzyrea 15:05 ebegin cold... :) 15:05 paul_p I don't know for "everyone", but for me, 2 things : 15:05 wizzyrea oh my, no kidding it *is* cold 15:05 magnuse @wunder boo 15:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0�C (3:50 PM CET on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising). 15:05 paul_p * I leave in a few minuts 15:05 paul_p * I have the foundations of my sandboxes written, i'm happy 15:05 paul_p @wunder marseille 15:05 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0�C (3:30 PM CET on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 15:05 wizzyrea ^.^ woohoo! 15:06 wizzyrea and good weather to boot :) 15:06 paul_p OK, in fact, I missed it was already 4PM. So I leave now ! 15:06 ebegin wizzyrea, february reaches -30 15:06 wizzyrea brr 15:06 wizzyrea @wunder 66049 15:06 paul_p have a good new year week-end everybody! 15:06 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.7�C (9:06 AM CST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising). 15:06 magnuse have fun paul_p! 15:06 paul_p and see you next year! 15:06 wizzyrea :D 15:06 magnuse yay 15:06 oleonard @wunder 61341 15:06 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ottawa Township High School, Ottawa, Illinois is 6.6�C (9:06 AM CST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.46 in 997.5 hPa (Steady). 15:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #580: SUCCESS in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/580/ 15:06 jenkins_koha f.demians: Bug 7328 Expanded options in advanced search 15:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7328 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Expanded options in advanced search 15:06 * ebegin moves to Marseille 15:06 magnuse \o/ 15:07 nengard @wunder 19030 15:07 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Highland Park, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 3.5�C (10:04 AM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady). 15:07 ebegin Even if I add montreal temperature to paul_p one, it still under 0... 15:08 nengard BRRRRR 15:16 trea okay question - checked out items dont' count the day they were checked out as one of their days, do they? Let's say an item was checked out 12/27, and due in 5 days. Would that make it due on 12/31, or 1/1 ? 15:21 cait hi #koha 15:21 magnuse wb cait 15:21 trea hi cait 15:21 cait hi magnuse and trea :) 15:21 cait oh 15:24 cait magnuse++ 15:24 magnuse final test for 1633: several images in a zip file... 15:28 * cait crosses fingers 15:33 magnuse hm, koha says "Failed to unzip archive. Please ensure you are uploading a valid zip file and try again." 15:33 magnuse it unpacks fine on my machine 15:38 magnuse ah, it worked after i installed unzip on the vm - guess that's a dependency then... 15:43 * magnuse can't think of any more edge cases to throw at bug 1633 and proceeds to signing off 15:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db 15:46 cait cool 15:46 cait woohoo :) 16:02 cait jcamins_away: around? 16:03 jcamins cait: just got back. 16:03 jcamins Woohoo! 16:03 jcamins magnuse++ 16:03 cait magnuse++ :) 16:05 jcamins magnuse: hm, perhaps there should be a follow-up patch that adds unzip as a dependency. That's actually been a dependency all along, it just hasn't been listed as such. 16:06 jcamins cait: did you have a question? 16:06 cait oh yes 16:06 cait seems I volunteered 16:06 cait to look at a gui thing for the 9xx 16:07 jcamins cait: yeah, I saw that. Thanks! 16:07 jcamins cait++ 16:07 cait give me karma once I have done it :) 16:08 * jcamins is using the same strategy he used with magnuse: guilting you into doing the work. 16:08 jcamins ;) 16:08 cait ah 16:08 cait evil jcamins 16:08 magnuse jcamins: adding unzip as a dep could be a separate bug i think, since the patron image code also relies on it 16:08 jcamins Bwahaha haha hahahaha! 16:08 jcamins magnuse: yeah, that was my thought. 16:09 magnuse cool 16:09 cait ok 16:09 cait made a branch 16:09 cait added your patch 16:09 cait guilting works 16:09 cait but I am also in a very good mood today :) 16:09 wahanui okay, cait. 16:10 jcamins magnuse: any chance you could file a bug for that? I never remember my bugs.k-c.org login, and I'm not on my computer. 16:10 jcamins cait? 16:10 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) 16:10 jcamins Heh. 16:10 magnuse jcamins: will do 16:10 jcamins magnuse: thanks. 16:10 cait ok 16:10 cait so 16:10 cait for the gui thing 16:10 cait what do you prefer? 16:11 jcamins cait: the reason I didn't do anything with the GUI is that I figure no matter what choice we make, someone will object. 16:11 cait well 16:11 cait we can try :) 16:14 jcamins cait: true. 16:14 jcamins cait: I think paul_p wanted a syspref that chose between including private fields or not including private fields? 16:14 cait yeah 16:14 cait sounds like a good way to start 16:14 cait could you help me with the wording? 16:15 jcamins Include/Don't include private fields and subfields in MARC exports? 16:15 magnuse jcamins: bug 7389 16:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7389 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , List unzip as a dependency 16:15 jcamins magnuse: thanks. 16:16 cait what about the items? 16:16 cait I don't see why those are useful on export 16:16 jcamins cait: I don't think adding an additional option is necessary at this point. 16:16 cait the fields are koha specific 16:16 jcamins Right. 16:17 jcamins Actually, replace "private" with "non-standard" in the syspref. 16:17 cait ok 16:17 cait should we mention 9xx somewhere? 16:17 cait as explanation? like you do on the bug? 16:18 jcamins Yeah, that would probably be a good idea: "Include/Don't include non-standard (9xx, x9x, and xx9) fields and subfields in exports."? 16:18 cait except 490 heh 16:18 jcamins Right. 16:19 magnuse #marcmustdie 16:19 cait true 16:20 cait are you both going to be here in 10 mins still? 16:20 * jcamins will be. 16:25 * magnuse will be eternally greatful to whoever can fix that timeout in git bz attach 16:26 magnuse hm, guess i don't get the nast error i used to get now, but lots of HTML instead... 16:29 cait magnuse: it's annoying for long commit messages, eh? :) 16:30 cait you can do git bz edit bugnumber first and obsolete, and attach later without -e 16:30 magnuse ah, cool 16:31 oleonard Here's what I'm tinkering with today: http://screencast.com/t/XZDiaL1qNoB 16:31 jcamins Ooh, I didn't know that. Nifty! 16:31 magnuse git bz edit 1633? that gives me an error right off the bat... 16:33 magnuse oleonard++ 16:33 jcamins oleonard: very cool. 16:33 oleonard I need to figure out a way to make the links look/act disabled when nothing is checked 16:33 jcamins oleonard: you know what else would be cool? If you could alert the user that their cart was full. 16:34 oleonard Yeah, I've worked some on Bug 7011, but got stuck 16:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7011 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Warn the user that they have reached the limit of how many items they can have in their cart 16:34 jcamins That makes two of us. 16:34 cait http://git.fishsoup.net/man/git-bz.html 16:36 * jcamins has also been thinking about the "select all results" issue. 16:36 jcamins It's tricky. 16:37 jcamins I'm thinking we need a data structure to describe an arbitrary list of records. 16:39 jcamins I'm also thinking that getting developers to agree to an implementation is going to be like herding lolcats. ;) 16:39 jcamins magnuse: you're making it really hard to stay at Inbox Zero. ;) 16:40 magnuse yeah, sorry about that jcamins ;-) 16:40 jcamins I forgive you. 16:40 magnuse yay! 16:41 cait hehe 16:41 * cait hands out more cookies 16:41 jcamins Mmm. 16:42 jcamins Delicious cookies! 16:42 cait heh 16:46 magnuse there, 1633 is done! 16:47 cait woot 16:47 cait awesome 16:47 jcamins Woohoo! 16:47 jcamins magnuse++ 16:47 magnuse time to wander off, might bbl, if not i look forward to seeing and collaborating with y'all in 2012! 16:47 oleonard jcamins++ 16:47 magnuse yeah jcamins++! 16:51 cait jcamins++ of course! 16:51 jcamins Wow. Lots of karma. 16:51 jcamins @karma jcamins 16:51 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 133 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 132. 16:51 cait yep 16:51 cait you deserve it :) 16:51 jcamins @karma 16:51 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (490), "oleonard" (412), and "wizzyrea" (273). Lowest karma: "<!" (-108), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-38). You (jcamins) are ranked 11 out of 1884. 16:51 jcamins I'm number 11! 16:51 cait heh 16:51 cait congratulations :) 16:51 cait @karma 16:51 huginn cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (490), "oleonard" (412), and "wizzyrea" (273). Lowest karma: "<!" (-108), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-38). You (cait) are ranked 6 out of 1884. 16:52 jcamins Thanks. :) 16:52 jcamins @karma kf 16:52 huginn jcamins: Karma for "kf" has been increased 125 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 125. 16:52 jcamins @karma cait 16:52 huginn jcamins: Karma for "cait" has been increased 220 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 219. 16:52 cait hi wizzyrea :) 16:52 jcamins That's a lot of karma! 16:52 jcamins Welcome back, wizzyrea. 16:54 wizzyrea hi thar 16:54 * wizzyrea sticks herself down with duct tape 16:55 * cait helps 16:57 * jcamins gets stuck on the duct tape strewn about #koha. 16:58 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report help: is it possible to replace codes with descriptions?" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/174 17:01 * oleonard thought rangi had cait and kf's karma linked. Guess not. 17:01 * wizzyrea too 17:01 cait not sure that's possible 17:01 oleonard Maybe that's just in the IRC stats 17:01 jcamins I think every so often rangi moves kf's karma over to cait. 17:01 cait I think he has done something for the chat statistic 17:01 cait I am not aware of that 17:02 cait cait was always a bit better off than kf 17:02 * cait doesn't know 17:02 * jcamins doesn't either. 17:02 nengard so confused :) 17:03 wizzyrea @karma 17:03 huginn wizzyrea: Highest karma: "rangi" (490), "oleonard" (412), and "wizzyrea" (273). Lowest karma: "<!" (-108), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-38). You (wizzyrea) are ranked 3 out of 1884. 17:03 wizzyrea ! 17:04 nengard any brilliant mysql ideas on this one> http://paste.koha-community.org/174 17:07 * oleonard wonders if he has to list fudge on his tax return 17:07 wizzyrea ^.^ 17:07 jcamins oleonard: the value was under $600, so I'm not issuing you a 1099. 17:07 oleonard Whew! 17:12 cait nengard: I thinkj there is a way 17:13 cait i have copied something from the internet once, perhaps you could adapt that 17:13 cait nengard: it's used to add the german weekdays to the date format 17:13 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/175 17:14 nengard cait that is so cool! 17:14 nengard let me try that :) 17:25 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "new report thanks to cait" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/176 17:25 cait cool :) 17:26 oleonard Wow, I didn't know you could do that. 17:26 nengard so awesome!! 17:26 nengard sharing on the wiki 17:26 nengard it still shows codes for manual invoices but its still pretty awesome 17:33 wizzyrea really we ought to build that into the db somewhere 17:33 wizzyrea those descriptions I mean 17:35 cait it's still waiting for an overhaul 17:35 cait lots of untranslatable stuff because we put that into the db :( 17:35 nengard there are several not in the db: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/reportsfaq.html#finescodefaq 17:35 cait don't want to add to it really 17:35 cait I think another thing you could do 17:35 cait make an authorised value 17:35 cait and use that in your sql 17:36 cait to resolve the codes into the correct descriptions 17:36 jcamins Agreed. 17:51 wizzyrea ^^ qualifies as "in the db" 17:51 wizzyrea could make it part of the sample data 17:52 nengard the authorized values would have to be un-deletable 17:52 nengard or would probably break all kinds of stuff 17:53 cait nengard: i was thinking to only use them for that 17:53 cait not tying them into the code 17:53 cait not sure that's worth the trouble with the pending rewrite 17:53 cait I am still hoping that will happen sometime 18:07 wizzyrea oh yea, the code wouldn't use them 18:07 wizzyrea oleonard about? 18:08 oleonard Yes 18:08 wizzyrea question - is there a reason that the OPAC search box doesn't take focus on load? 18:08 wizzyrea I was going to fix it but maybe you have a good reason for not making it that way 18:08 nengard i thought it used to .... 18:08 nengard could be wrong of course 18:08 wizzyrea it doesn't, I just checked 18:08 wizzyrea :) 18:09 nengard oh i know! I'm saying in the past I thought it did 18:09 wizzyrea it does in the intranet 18:10 oleonard I'm not sure about what it did and didn't do in the past, but I worry about conflicting with username/password entry 18:10 jcamins nengard: it has not at least since 3.0.5. 18:10 wizzyrea hmm explain 18:10 oleonard Page starts to load, I start to enter my username and password. Focus switches to search box, I end up typing my password there. 18:10 nengard jcamins - i imagine things all the time :) 18:10 wizzyrea hmm ok 18:11 nengard let's write it off as that 18:11 wizzyrea well 18:11 wizzyrea I was thinking of using the html5 autofocus 18:11 wizzyrea with a javascript fallback (or not) 18:11 jcamins nengard: it's easy enough to force it with jQuery, but that also means that you can't scroll using the keyboard. 18:11 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:11 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 31, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 18:11 rangi still raining 18:11 wizzyrea blarg. 18:11 cait oh :( 18:11 cait @wunder Reutlingen 18:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 2.1�C (7:11 PM CET on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 28.76 in 973.8 hPa (Steady). 18:11 nengard @wunder 19030 18:11 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Highland Park, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 11.9�C (1:11 PM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady). 18:12 cait rangi: thought you had summer? 18:12 nengard wow - warmed up here 18:12 rangi http://www.metservice.com/national/maps-rain-radar/rain-radar/all-new-zealand 18:12 rangi big cold front is sitting over the whole country has been for a few days 18:13 rangi last saturday it was about 25 about now 18:13 wizzyrea bug 7388 18:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7388 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , rounded corners for side menus in staff client 18:13 rangi all the new year concerts tonight will be rained out 18:13 wizzyrea noooo! 18:14 rangi yup 18:14 rangi http://www.metservice.com/national/maps-rain-radar/maps/tasman-sea-nz-colour-latest 18:14 cait :( 18:14 jcamins @wunder 11375 18:14 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 9.4�C (12:48 PM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa. 18:14 jcamins huginn: hello? 18:14 huginn jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes 18:14 jcamins @wunder 11375 18:14 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 9.4�C (12:48 PM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa. 18:14 jcamins Hm. huginn's ignoring me. 18:14 rangi but tomorrow or maybe the next day we will be back to normal 18:15 rangi hmmm or not 18:15 rangi http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington 18:16 rangi crap until wednesday which is the day work starts again 18:16 cait ouch 18:16 rangi and all the concerts are outdoors 18:17 jcamins It's the world's way of saying "stop celebrating, damn it. I don't have unlimited supplies of grain for beer!" 18:17 liw that reminds me, I should dig out the oilskin coat I bought in Wellington and reproof it so it works well again 18:17 rangi :) 18:22 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6202233/24kg-kingfish-caught-in-Oriental-Bay 18:22 wizzyrea holy moly 18:24 rangi i like this bit 18:24 rangi "That night, Quirk took the kingi to his mates at Newtown fish 'n' chip shop Fish Fins – the Volpicelli brothers – for filleting." 18:25 * jcamins likes the "random guy in the water." 18:45 jcamins wizzyrea: what's the Android tablet you have? 18:47 rangi asus transformer 18:48 jcamins rangi: thanks. 18:54 jcamins wizzyrea: enjoying your new laptop? 18:54 wizzyrea yes, yes I am. 18:54 jcamins :) 18:54 cait have to eat dinner my dad cooked... yum 18:54 cait bye all :) 18:55 trea bye cait 18:57 rangi cya cait 18:57 jcamins Enjoy. 19:01 rangi hmm 19:09 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7387] Add Template::Toolkit plugin to allow caching of includes <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7387> 19:09 jcamins rangi++ 19:17 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_counts.pl 19:18 wizzyrea1 52! 19:18 wizzyrea1 we wanted below 50 for new year? 19:24 rangi well its 60 19:25 rangi its only 50 for master 19:25 rangi theres 10 more 19:25 wizzyrea1 oh right you are 19:30 wizzyrea1 on 6627, test by making sure no files are written into /tmp? 19:32 rangi thats it 19:32 wizzyrea1 k done and done. 19:32 rangi :) 19:36 tcohen hi, any recommended Perl OO reference for reading? 19:38 rangi just the perldoc 19:38 tcohen rangi: ok 19:38 rangi and look at Class::Accessor 19:43 tcohen interesting 19:43 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good 19:43 tcohen its currently used in Cache.pm and Templates.pm 19:46 jcamins tcohen: I don't think that's a coincidence. ;) 19:47 tcohen rangi is blamed for them? 19:48 jcamins tcohen: yep. :) 19:48 tcohen :-D 19:52 rangi :) 19:52 rangi means u dont have to go round writing getters and setters 19:54 jcamins Ah, those were the days. When bits were bits, pixels were pixels, and accessing a variable in an OO manner involved at least 10 lines of code! 19:55 jcamins (one line to declare the variable, two lines for the getter and setter prototypes, six lines for the getter and setter functions [three each], and one line to actually access the variable) 19:56 * rangi is afk for a bit 19:56 oleonard That sounds like the punchline to the nerdiest lightbulb joke ever jcamins 19:56 jcamins oleonard: thank you. 19:59 tcohen jcamins, class:accessor, Moose... is there any difference in terms of efficiency? 20:00 jcamins tcohen: I have no idea, sorry. 20:03 tcohen jcamins, thanks, i'm just courious about this 20:04 tcohen OO has some penalties in terms of abstraction layers and latency i guess 20:05 jcamins tcohen: I am of the opinion that the benefits in terms of programmer productivity and maintenance make the slight penalties worthwhile. 20:05 tcohen i fully agree! 20:06 tcohen there was an RFC on this? 20:07 jcamins On what? 20:07 tcohen OO 20:07 tcohen Koha and OO 20:08 jcamins Not to my knowledge. 20:08 tcohen it was about using a ORM 20:14 rangi you can't compare moose to this 20:14 rangi class::accessor is a very useful screwdriver 20:15 rangi moose is liking dumping every tool in the world into every module 20:15 rangi s/liking/like/ 20:15 jcamins A moose once bit my sister. 20:15 jcamins No realli! 20:15 tcohen hehehe 20:15 rangi its a full framework with a huge performance penalty 20:16 rangi its not just choosing to write modules in OO style where it makes sense to 20:16 jcamins Mynd you, moose bites kan be pretty nasti. 20:18 * jcamins may need to watch Monty Python to celebrate the New Year. 20:18 rangi :) 20:18 rangi bbiab 20:18 tcohen jcamins: that would be a great way to celebrate! 20:19 jcamins A friend of mine always watches This Is Spinal Tap. 20:20 tcohen albatross 20:20 tcohen albatrooossssss 20:21 jcamins :) 20:23 oleonard working in the cart now too: http://screencast.com/t/uOgZdbpS 20:23 jcamins @later tell sekjal Bug 1633 is ready for QA whenever you are. :) 20:23 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 20:47 trea a moose once bit my sister... 20:47 jcamins She was carving her initials in it with an intergalactic toothbrush given to her by her husband Sven. 20:50 jcamins Hey, this is weird. 20:51 jcamins If you search for "aa" in the main entry ($a only) in the authority plugin, do you get every authority starting with a? 21:03 oleonard Bye #koha, Happy New Year 22:35 jcamins cait: isn't it a bit late for you? 22:35 cait not that late 22:35 cait and today i am still on vacation :) 22:37 jcamins True.