Time  Nick         Message
00:51 cait         chrisdothall: still around?
00:51 chrisdothall cait: maybe
00:51 cait         maybe?
00:51 cait         depending on my question?
00:51 cait         :)
00:52 chrisdothall cait: exactly :)
00:52 cait         hm
00:52 chrisdothall I may suddenly come down with the flu or something..
00:52 cait         than you will probably try to run away soon
00:52 * cait       tries to find the ball and chain
00:53 cait         there is this bug
00:53 cait         that got magically assigned to you
00:53 chrisdothall 7327?
00:53 cait         exactly
00:54 chrisdothall as soon as you asked if I was there I thought it was about that :)
00:54 cait         heh
00:57 chrisdothall cait: so this is your friendly reminder to do it? if so, thanks, it had slipped my mind :(
00:57 cait         hm
00:57 cait         more like promising cookies and lots of karma if you might consider looking into it?
00:58 chrisdothall ohh karma AND cookies.. that is a hard offer to refuse.
00:58 wahanui      and cookies.. that is a hard offer to refuse. has neutral karma
00:58 cait         and a lot nicer
00:59 cait         wahanui?
00:59 wahanui      yes, cait?
00:59 cait         what brought that up?
00:59 cait         forget and cookies...
00:59 rangi        you said karma
00:59 cait         ah
00:59 cait         I did
00:59 rangi        karam for cookies
01:00 rangi        karma for karam
01:00 wahanui      karam has neutral karma
01:02 cait         karma for chrisdothall
01:02 wahanui      chrisdothall has karma of 1
01:02 cait         !
01:02 cait         chrisdothall++
01:02 cait         all those great template work and only 1 karma
01:02 cait         that's not right
01:02 rangi        @karma chrisdothall
01:02 huginn       rangi: Karma for "chrisdothall" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
01:05 chrisdothall :(
01:09 cait         oh don't do that
01:09 cait         the sad smiley
01:09 cait         breaks my heart
01:09 * cait       sends cookies
01:34 cait         and now he is hiding...
01:35 chrisdothall sorry was looking through the translation scripts like a good elf
01:35 cait         heh
01:35 cait         ok, not distracting you then
03:25 AmitG        heya bag
03:25 bag          heya AmitG
04:32 AmitG        can we break the text using PDF::Reuse
05:51 Oak          @later tell cait http://www.cheatography.com/monsieur-h/cheat-sheets/network-lesson/pdf/
05:51 huginn       Oak: The operation succeeded.
07:46 julian_m     hello
07:46 wahanui      hi, julian_m
08:06 asaurat      hi!
08:15 gaetan_B     hello #koha!
08:15 cait         hi asaurat and gaetan_B :)
08:16 francharb    morning
08:17 cait         hi francharb
08:43 rangi        morning france
08:43 cait         evening nz
08:44 rangi        heh
08:44 magnuse      hello world!
08:45 cait         morning magnuse
08:45 magnuse      guten tag cait, and thanks for the signoff
08:45 magnuse      cait++
08:46 cait         you are welcome :)
08:47 sophie_m     hello #koha
08:47 cait         hi sophie_m :)
08:49 hdl          hi rangi
08:49 cait         bonjour hdl and paul_p :)
08:50 hdl          hi cait
08:50 paul_p       bonjour cait
08:50 magnuse      kia ora paul_p and hdl
08:51 hdl          magnuse: hehe... Hi #koha
08:59 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5347] late order management <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347>
11:57 vfernandes   hi koha community
12:00 vfernandes   i'm having a problem with koha overdue emails.... when the library is closed and the fines scripts runs fine (temporary file is correctly filled) the emails for overdue notices are filled with fine equal to 0.0
13:05 asaurat      on bug 7241, do we agree on creating a new field ? (and does the name of the new field is ok ?)
13:05 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7241 minor, P5 - low, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number
13:08 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6842] Branch transfer limits broken <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6842>
13:18 magnuse      yo NateC!
13:19 NateC        Morning magnuse!
13:38 oleonard     Hi #koha
13:38 magnuse      hiya oleonard
15:15 * oleonard   whispers hello to all who have snuck in
15:16 nengard      why are you whispering?
15:16 oleonard     Because it's so quiet in here
15:17 nengard      got it :)
15:35 * magnuse    tip-toes off to make dinner
15:39 * jcamins    wishes everyone a loud good morning.
15:49 rhcl         morning jcamins
15:52 jcamins      Morning, rhcl.
16:06 rhcl         Hi Oak
16:41 Oak          hello rhcl :o)
16:41 Oak          Happy Holidays!
16:42 Oak          sorry I just saw your message. watching movie...
16:42 * Oak        goes back to movie
17:03 bag          @wunder 93109
17:03 huginn       bag: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 12.8�C (9:02 AM PST on December 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling).
17:13 tcohen       hi paul_p
17:14 paul_p       hi tcohen
17:14 tcohen       just wanted to clarify
17:14 tcohen       i've been conservative in the way I propose several enhancements
17:14 tcohen       assuming big changes can lead the enhancement not to be included
17:15 tcohen       I can send a patch that solves this
17:15 tcohen       and can even send a patch that reuses Context->memcached
17:15 paul_p       tcohen, mmm... in fact, I think that if I had seen this problem before, I could have proposed "failed QA", even if it's usefull. You're highly welcomed to send a patch finishing the job !
17:16 tcohen       ok
17:16 rhcl         melia: our director is out for the week; will snag her next week
17:16 tcohen       a patch against master, that uses setenv
17:16 melia        ok rhcl. thanks!
17:16 tcohen       right?
17:17 paul_p       good morning melia.
17:18 paul_p       tcohen, right
17:18 melia        morning
17:18 nengard      afternoon
17:18 nengard      :)
17:19 jcamins      paul_p: since you're around, question regarding bug 7345: any objection to cait's suggestion?
17:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7345 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Should be possible to export MARC records without private fields
17:19 patric       Howdy.
17:20 jcamins      paul_p: also, while I'm bending your ear, is there anything I need to do to get bug 7332 in?
17:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7332 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Translated title (MARC21 field 242) doesn't display
17:20 jcamins      Howdy, patric.
17:21 patric       koha-create --create-db library and an apache restart should have something showing up localhost:8080?
17:21 jcamins      patric: it depends whether you set up the intranet to listen on 8080 or as a virtual host.
17:23 patric       koha-sites.conf?
17:23 wahanui      i guess koha-sites.conf is never generated during install
17:23 patric       The instructions tell you to create it and modify it
17:24 jcamins      patric: right. Did you set a port for the intranet or a subdomain?
17:25 pastebot     "patric" at 68.98.203.253 pasted "koha-site.conf" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/172
17:26 jcamins      patric: in that case, you'll need to access the intranet on library-intra.smcs.local
17:26 jcamins      (rather than port 8080)
17:28 patric       Lookee there
17:29 patric       thank you very much, the README.Debian still lists adding listen 8080 to ports.conf, is that deprecated?
17:30 jcamins      patric: that's for if you're not using the packages.
17:30 jcamins      The packages take care of most of that for you.
17:30 patric       Gotcha
17:30 patric       default user/pass?/
17:30 patric       (I should be looking this up)
17:31 jcamins      patric: you'll need to get that out of your koha-conf.xml file.
17:31 jcamins      Search for "pass" -- it'll probably be the third occurrence.
17:31 jcamins      It's randomly generated.
17:31 patric       very nice
17:33 patric       no has, the plaintext in the xml is the password?
17:33 patric       hash, not has
17:33 paul_p       jcamins, I must leave. About 7345 i feel I still don't understand, but I have to read & try to understand more. About 7332, nope, it seems everybody agrees with the "heavy XSLT" idea, i'll QA & push it ASAP.
17:33 jcamins      paul_p: thanks.
17:35 patric       username is koha_$site?
17:35 jcamins      patric: yup.
17:42 * jcamins    tosses trea[1-3]? the duct tape.
17:55 patric       alrighty, I have some plaintext from an ancient unsupported library system that I'd like to convert and import, are there any thoughts on which marc flavor I'll have better luck with?
17:55 jcamins      patric: where are you located?
17:55 jcamins      patric: you choose MARC flavor based on what other libraries around you use, not based on up-front conversion.
17:57 patric       Newton Kansas, in the US
17:57 jcamins      patric: MARC21 it is. :)
17:57 wizzyrea     I know where newton is
17:57 patric       no way
17:57 wizzyrea     way
17:58 * wizzyrea   could probably be there in a couple of hours ;)
17:58 * jcamins    could not.
17:58 wizzyrea     mmm 3 more likely
17:58 wizzyrea     or so.
17:58 jcamins      wizzyrea: happy holidays!
17:58 wizzyrea     oh hi :)
18:00 trea         ugh. think my wireless router is having an aneurysm. i've hardwired it.
18:00 trea         apologies for the bouncing
18:00 * jcamins    hands trea some more duct tape.
18:09 cait         hi #koha
18:10 jcamins      Hi cait.
18:10 wahanui      Hi cait. are you looking at the rwc final?
18:10 cait         forget Hi cait?
18:10 cait         and hi jcamins :)
18:10 jcamins      Hi cait?
18:10 jcamins      cait: looks like it worked.
18:10 cait         Hi cait.
18:10 wahanui      Hi cait. are you looking at the rwc final?
18:10 jcamins      Nope.
18:10 cait         no
18:10 cait         forget Hi cait.
18:10 jcamins      wahanui: forget Hi cait.
18:10 wahanui      jcamins, I didn't have anything matching hi cait
18:10 cait         hmm
18:11 cait         Hi cait.
18:11 wahanui      Hi cait. are you looking at the rwc final?
18:11 cait         grr.
18:11 cait         magnuse++
18:12 pastebot     "patric" at 68.98.203.253 pasted "list of text files from old broken system" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/173
18:13 jcamins      patric: you're going to have a lot of working converting that.
18:13 patric       I was afraid of that
18:14 patric       Any pointers?
18:14 jcamins      patric: not really.
18:17 jcamins      Hi cait.
18:17 cait         jcamins: I see you responded to my notes about 7031
18:17 cait         :)
18:17 jcamins      bug 7031
18:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7031 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , More options for AdvancedSearchTypes
18:17 cait         I guessed 1 was not possible
18:17 jcamins      Ah, yes I did.
18:17 cait         but wanted to note it
18:18 * jcamins    doesn't see 2 as cause for failing QA, but I see that's not why you failed it.
18:18 jcamins      :)
18:18 jcamins      Makes sense.
18:26 trea         unless i'm missing something, bug 1807
18:26 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1807 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , ':' character blocks search ; search () give odd results
18:27 trea         and bug 2629 both show in the git logs, but neither says pushed
18:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
18:27 cait         jcamins: i was not sure about it either
18:28 cait         if that's enough to fail
18:28 cait         but I think ian can decide
18:28 trea         2629 is listed as Needs Signoff, and 1807 is Failed QA. are they just miscategorized?
18:41 cait         @wunder Konstanz
18:41 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.0�C (7:39 PM CET on December 28, 2011). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028.0 hPa (Falling).
18:41 cait         @wunder Reutlingen
18:41 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 3.6�C (7:41 PM CET on December 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Steady).
18:41 cait         bug 2629
18:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
18:41 jcamins      @wunder 11375
18:41 huginn       jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 5.8�C (1:40 PM EST on December 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000.2 hPa (Rising).
18:42 cait         trea: 2629 is correct as needs signoff It ink
18:42 jcamins      cait: if you can replicate the problem, please do.
18:42 jcamins      (for sign off)
18:43 cait         ah
18:43 cait         did I misread?
18:43 trea         cait perhaps i'm missing something, but if it needs signoff would it show up here? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff96db8a5491205bb919ee92a86d9735bddf3098
18:43 cait         you asked for the record I think
18:43 jcamins      cait: no, it's still needs sign off.
18:43 jcamins      trea: that's a different patch than the one that needs sign off.
18:43 cait         trea: there have been several patches to this bug
18:43 jcamins      Sorry, I'm a bit late to the discussion.
18:44 jcamins      ago43's patch still has not been signed off and pushed.
18:44 cait         the one still needing sign off is from ago43
18:44 cait         what jcamins said
18:44 * cait       is typing too slow
18:44 trea         mmm, confusing
18:44 trea         confusing?
18:44 wahanui      somebody said confusing was "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
18:45 jcamins      trea: if you'd like to attach the problematic record to the bug, that might encourage me to try signing off again.
18:45 trea         i'll see what i can do
18:45 cait         i think pushed patches should be marked obsolete at bugs like this
18:45 cait         makes it a bit less confusing and easier for git bz users
18:45 * jcamins    loses interest quickly when faced with a library that disables MARC export on the OPAC.
18:46 trea         ^^
18:54 jcamins      ago43: I'll need the actual MARC record to test it. Marlboro has disabled export.
18:55 * tcohen     needs a good oo perl reference manual
18:55 ago43        jcamins: I'll dig that out.
18:56 jcamins      ago43: thanks.
19:12 rangi        manus_afk: http://donum.no/  <-- that you
19:12 jcamins      donum++ # great name
19:14 jcamins      ago43: thanks.
19:16 cait         rangi: http://libriotech.no/node/131 :)
19:16 rangi        ahh ta
19:17 rangi        i knew i had seen it before somewhere
19:18 ago43        jcamins: you're welcome.  sorry I forgot about that.
19:22 jcamins      ago43: no problem. I'll sign off on it as soon as I get the chance.
19:31 jcamins      Whoah!
19:31 rangi        whoah?
19:31 jcamins      rangi Princeton switched to a discovery layer.
19:31 rangi        ah
19:32 jcamins      rangi: and it is using up *all* my bandwidth.
19:32 jcamins      Not a winner.
19:34 jcamins      And it's just Primo.
19:35 jcamins      Huh. Wonder what they did wrong.
20:14 rhcl         I'll be the first to get Koha running on it.  http://www.slashgear.com/raspberry-pi-25-usd-computer-coming-in-january-28204830/
20:15 rangi        :)
20:15 jcamins      rhcl++
20:15 rangi        someone had koha running on their playstation
20:15 rangi        why .. because they could
20:16 rhcl         hey, the sony cell processors aren't bad. If you get a bunch of 'em you can build a semi-respectable supercomputer. Somebody did that, I seem to remember.
20:17 jcamins      rhcl: a shame that Koha isn't massively parallel.
20:20 rangi        oh this was old playstation
20:20 rangi        not nice ps3
20:21 rhcl         nice -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/PC236526.jpg
20:37 jcamins      rhcl: you are responsible for the massive loss of productivity that is going to occur in my circle of technical friends.
20:37 jcamins      rhcl: I hope you can live with that on your conscience. :P
20:43 jcamins      rangi++
20:43 rangi        ?
20:44 jcamins      rangi: integrating Wikipedia with Koha.
20:45 rangi        ah yeah
20:45 rangi        thats cait's fault
20:45 rangi        cait++
20:45 cait         :)
20:57 rhcl         jcamins: say what? translate to English
20:58 cait         rangi++ :)
20:58 jcamins      rhcl: I had never heard of Raspberry Pi. Neither had any of my non-Koha friends.
20:58 jcamins      Now we all have.
21:00 rhcl         and raspberry will negatively affect productivity? I've got some dark projects linked somewhere better than that.
21:00 jcamins      rhcl: well, it will negatively affect productivity for products that don't involve Raspberry Pi boards. :P
21:03 rhcl         You know, for a while I was on a kick to rejuvenate firewalls. I'd take something like a Firebox (http://image.minoc.com/zd_images/2002/06/020205_watchguard.jpg) that was going out of service, and load smoothwall on it.
21:04 rhcl         Did that with two Fireboxes, a Symantec Velicoraptor (http://home.comcast.net/~dean.fujiwara/symantec_velociraptor.jpg) and a few others. I picked out stuff that was cheap on eBay and pretty.
21:05 jcamins      rhcl: how many firewalls did you need?
21:05 rhcl         I've been trying to clean out stuff today in my network room, and I saw that I still have one pending project box--a big massive steel rackmount sucker
21:05 rhcl         you can never have too many :)
21:06 rhcl         You know, I had some oddball white firewall I rehabbed, but I haven't seen it in a while. Wonder where it is?
21:07 jcamins      rhcl: any of your branches reporting fewer than usual viruses? ;)
21:08 rhcl         mostly I don't use these at the library. We have grown-up Cisco ASAs for that. I have used them occasionally at work, but mostly at home.
21:08 rhcl         this is all with my own money and time, of course
21:09 rhcl         and I got bored after a while, when the challenge kinda went away after I'd done about 6 or so.
21:12 rhcl         to be honest, I love working on computers, but lately I've been sorta feeling like a computer is a computer, and I need something more of a challenge.
21:13 rhcl         a number of years ago I exchanged emails with this group - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo_Aerospace - right when they were starting up and looking for people to join them
21:13 jcamins      rhcl: time to take up embedded systems?
21:13 rhcl         I was tempted, but in the military and moving every 2 years, so there was no way it could have worked out
21:14 rhcl         embedded? well, that's kinda like firewalls, so I'd need an exciting use/application to grab my interest
21:14 jcamins      rhcl: telemetry systems for model cars?
21:15 rhcl         telemetry for rockets maybe. I do have a bit of a background in RF
21:17 jcamins      "First object cataloged from space in MARC21. French libraries object that MARC21 is not nearly as universal as its proponents would like us to think."
21:18 rhcl         for a while I was messing around w/ ACARS decoders. http://www.acarsd.org   http://www.airnavsystems.com/acars/    http://www.dxzone.com/tag-acars-decoder/
21:21 rhcl         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nATMe_NKgo0
21:26 talljoy      hey koha!  anyone familiar with adding records to the message_attributes table?  I added a record and it appears in the patron screen as 'unknown' not the message name i provided.
21:32 rangi        it will do that if it doesnt have valid transports set for it
21:33 rangi        talljoy: look at
21:34 rangi        installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sample_notices_message_transports.sql
21:34 talljoy      that explains these random values from some other version of "koha"
21:34 rangi        ah yeah
21:35 rangi        basically look in that dir installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/ there are 3 sql files for the notices
21:35 rangi        they all work together
21:36 talljoy      okay.
21:37 jcamins      talljoy: I left a message for you with huginn about this, but you need to delete automatically-generated authority records when working with MARCIVE.
21:40 rhcl         you got me thinking about my last unstarted project. I have one of these in the closet downstairs -> http://www.usedcomp.de/infos/nokia_ip530_a.jpg
21:40 rhcl         4 NICs + (2) 4-port switches. I outta be able to do something exciting with this.
21:48 rangi        hiya jcamins
21:48 rangi        hmm jransom even
21:49 jransom      hello
21:50 jransom      you often type jcamins instead of jransom
21:50 Brooke       o/
21:50 rangi        its tab completion
21:50 jransom      hey!
21:50 jransom      there you go
21:50 jransom      wacthed once were warriors again last night with a bunch of teenagers
21:50 jransom      fascinating
21:50 Brooke       good on you
21:50 jransom      when i first watched i was shocked silent
21:50 Brooke       I can't believe that Emma had to sit your arse back down :P
21:51 jcamins      Time to head home.
21:51 jransom      not this lot - fascinating listening to their commentary
21:51 jcamins      Good night, #koha.
21:51 jransom      shocked that noone did anything, or spoke up, or protected the kids or the wife, and that even the wifes friend just ignored the violence ..
21:51 jransom      society has so move don
21:52 jransom      this is cool: http://www.metservice.com/national/maps-rain-radar/rain-radar/all-new-zealand
21:53 jransom      just rang my boy and told him to scarper off the coromandel and head to cover
21:53 rangi        yeah its gonna be wet
21:53 Brooke       wet > dry
21:54 jransom      oh yeah - he said its been pelting down for ages already and its not even showing blue where he is yet
21:54 Brooke       he'll be safe if it's Connor or Wills
21:55 Brooke       if it's Liam, that boy needs the help of God and two peelers.
21:55 jransom      its connor
21:55 jransom      oops
21:55 jransom      william
21:55 jransom      connor is staying home today: completely knackered having paddled a 4 man surf canoe for much of yesterday
21:55 jransom      without sun block .....
21:56 Brooke       If I ever find a runner, I'm meant to pilot the canoe in the Women's Triathlon. Kay called the horse.