Time Nick Message 00:37 rangi jcamins_away: http://www.dubpies.com/index.php 00:44 eythian http://kimjongildroppingthebass.tumblr.com/ <-- rangi 00:44 rangi heh 01:43 eythian http://awfullibrarybooks.net/?p=15676 02:12 Raj Hello 03:31 AmitG heya bag, rangi 03:31 bag hey AmitG 03:38 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5786] Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786> 03:38 Oak kia ora #koha 03:45 AmitG heya Oak 03:45 Oak hello AmitG :) 04:45 Oak Good Morning cait :) 04:45 cait good morning Oak :) 05:20 AmitG heya cait :D 05:20 cait hi AmitG :) 05:47 Oak @wunder Konstanz 05:47 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.7�C (6:44 AM CET on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady). 05:47 Oak @wunder islamabad 05:47 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 12.0�C (10:00 AM PKT on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 05:50 yhager I've had a crash on my server (out of disk space), but I've recovered. I had mysql binary log running, so I don't expect any data to be lost, however, I can't find any book records, only biblio entries.. is that a database corruption, or something I can fix? 05:58 cait yhager: perhaps your zebra indexes are not ok? 05:58 cait have you tried to reindex? 05:58 cait and what do you mean by book entries vs. bilbio entries? 05:58 yhager cait: i tried rebuild_zebra -r -b -a 05:58 cait hm 05:59 yhager I can see the biblio entries for the book, but not our library copy information 05:59 cait so search works but you don't see the item information? 05:59 cait have you updated your koha version? 05:59 cait recently I mean? 06:00 yhager yes, search through the staff port works, but search through opac does not, since there are no book records (copies) 06:00 yhager no, it's 3.4.2 06:00 cait yhager I am not sure about the terms you use 06:00 cait how does search from staff work? 06:00 yhager cait, ok, sorry, I'm not a librarian, but I do the technical work. 06:00 cait what exactly works in staff that does not work in opac? 06:01 yhager in staff, I click on cataloging, then enter a book name in the search box 06:02 yhager I then get the text: No results found, and underneath "Biblios in reservoid", and a list of a few biblios for the book 06:02 yhager when I search the same string on opac (i.e. the general user interface), nothing comes up 06:02 yhager hope I'm clearer now.. 06:03 rangi oh 06:03 yhager I'm not sure if the records are there, but are not shown (not indexed), or simply gone.. 06:03 rangi thats definitely indexes or corruption 06:03 rangi the reservior is not the catalogue 06:04 rangi its a separate table 06:04 rangi run your rebuild with -v 06:04 yhager I can check the db directly if that helps 06:04 yhager okay 06:04 rangi my bet is it is erroring 06:04 yhager rebuild_zebra -a -b -r? 06:04 yhager and -v 06:04 rangi just do -b for now, not -a 06:05 yhager okay, running 06:05 rangi so -b -r -v 06:05 rangi is it exporting records? 06:05 yhager yes.. 06:05 rangi also check zebrasrv is running 06:05 rangi so db is probably ok, if its exporting 06:06 yhager rangi: aha! 06:06 yhager that's what happens when you reboot the server once every 120 days.. you forget simple things.. 06:07 * rangi has to put his sons to bed bbiab 06:08 yhager sorry, how do I run zebrasrv? 06:15 yhager yay! that did it. cait, rangi: thanks, and sorry for the trivial issue 06:15 cait oh sorry :( my chat client didn't 'blink' - missed that you answered 06:15 Oak rangi++ 06:15 Oak cait++ 06:16 yhager cait: no worries, rangi took over and solved it 06:16 cait yeah, he does that 06:16 cait :) 06:16 cait rangi++ 06:16 yhager you guys are awesome.. now I need to find some time and upgrade my koha arch package 06:17 yhager got into some kind of perl package mess there... but I'll figure it out eventually 06:18 cait arch? 06:21 yhager archlinux 06:24 yhager http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41853 06:24 cait ah 06:24 cait thx :) 06:25 yhager wow... you guys are releasing fast.. already 3.6.. 06:26 rangi back 06:26 rangi feature release every 6 months 06:26 rangi 3.8 in april 06:26 rangi and monthly maintenance releases 06:26 rangi so we are at 3.6 06:27 rangi 3.6.1 and 3.4.7 06:27 yhager phew.. that's a lot of upgrades :) 06:27 yhager I guess I'll stick with 3.4 for a while.. I'm not in a hurry for new features, and we are still catalouging anyway 06:27 rangi its easy with the packages, and not much harder without 06:27 rangi you should upgrade to 3.4.7 06:28 rangi its a security release 06:28 yhager well, yeah, but I'm maintaining the package too, and all the perl dependencies are not easy. 06:28 yhager Yes, I plan to upgrade to 3.4.7 soon (read: when I have some time) 06:28 rangi bug 6289 06:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6289 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Return table could show reserve/transit data for returned items 06:28 rangi hm nope 06:28 rangi bug 6829 06:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6829 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove two warnings for opac-MARCdetail 06:29 rangi @query security 06:29 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5131 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , XSS vulnerability in the OPAC search results interface 06:29 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , Improving koha-list and koha-create 06:29 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4221 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, sophie.meynieux, NEW , defaultSortField & OPACdefaultSortField non functioning 06:29 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write 06:29 huginn rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opac/opac-sendbasket.pl security leaky 06:30 rangi nope none of those :) 06:30 rangi have a look at the release notes and apply the patches if you dont have time to upgrade 06:31 yhager Since I maintain the package I don't have that privilege. I need to build a new package and publish it, and only then install it and upgrade my own install. Otherwise I'll never fix the package :) 06:32 rangi ahh well its directory traversal, so well worth patching 06:40 magnus_away http://lists.koha-community.org/ is down? 06:41 rangi yes 06:41 rangi and biblibre.com 06:41 rangi I think 06:43 rangi looks like server outage 06:46 cait oh wow 06:46 cait morning magnuse :) 07:18 magnuse kia ora rangi cait and #koha! 07:19 rangi http://www.kiva.org/team/koha 07:19 rangi up to 1150 now! 07:20 magnuse yay 07:30 magnuse 1175 now ;-) 07:30 rangi yay! 07:32 cait :) 07:33 alex_a1 morning cait, rangi and magnuse 07:33 rangi hey alex_a1 07:33 cait hi alex_a1 07:33 magnuse bonjour alex_a1 07:33 cait problems with your servers? 07:33 alex_a1 alex_a1 ? 07:33 rangi http://biblibre.com/ 07:34 magnuse works for me now 07:34 rangi im still getting nothing 07:34 rangi for http://lists.koha-community.org/ too 07:34 magnuse ah http://biblibre.com/ does not work, but http://www.biblibre.com/ does 07:35 magnuse (redirects to http://drupal.biblibre.com/) 07:35 magnuse lists... does not work 07:36 cait yeah 07:36 cait and I made lots of bug changes today :( 07:36 cait biblibre not working for me 07:36 magnuse cait++ 07:37 cait checking if patches still apply 07:37 cait so people will not be too hapyp 07:37 magnuse they should! ;-) 07:37 cait but this way we are down to 54 in the sign off queue now 07:37 cait and I am not done 07:38 cait sorting by changed date last patch I did is 7186 07:41 cait ok, 53 07:41 cait time to go :) 07:41 Oak later cait :) 07:41 Oak cait++ 07:41 Oak magnuse 07:42 Oak good read: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-truth-about-violence/ 07:43 magnuse Oak 07:52 reiveune hello 07:56 rangi hi reiveune 07:57 julian_m hello 07:59 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5788] Move ReservesMaxPickupDelay system preference to the Circulation Matrix. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5788> 08:09 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6489] cancelling hold from holds awaiting pickup does not trigger transit <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6489> 08:15 magnuse fredericd around? 08:16 kf hi again #koha 08:16 kf hi sophie_m 08:16 sophie_m Guten Morgen kf 08:17 Oak wb kf 08:21 asaurat hi 08:21 gaetan_B hello 08:21 kf good morning biblibre 08:41 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7090] Add "AllowItemsOnHandCheckout" syspref to allow issue to the patron regardless of hold status <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7090> 09:55 AmitG heya gaetan 09:55 AmitG heya kf 09:56 kf hi AmitG 10:04 kf magnuse++ :) 10:05 magnuse ? 10:05 kf for your fast mailing list reply 10:06 magnuse :-) 10:06 magnuse anything to get a little break from translating... 10:06 kf lol 10:12 mtj has anyone checked out metacpan.org ? 10:13 rangi yeah its cool :) 10:13 mtj i would really like to pinch its page layout for a new Koha OPAC design :) 10:14 mtj ... its nice and clean (and looks just a little like google.com) 10:16 mtj https://metacpan.org/search?q=koha 10:16 mtj https://metacpan.org/module/Bundle::KohaSupport 10:16 mtj . 10:17 rangi yep, thats old 10:17 mtj if you squinted just a bit... the layout looks OPAC-ish?? 10:17 rangi mike mylonas did that bundle 10:18 mtj yep, just an random example page, there... 10:18 * rangi heads for bed 10:19 mtj good call, cya chris 10:19 kf night chris 10:33 magnuse ooh, trailer for the hobbit... 10:37 kf hi sijobl 10:48 gaetan_B hi there, i'm trying to set up git bz to test and sign off patches, but i get a KeyError: 'auth-user' all the time (and i've triple checked my login / password) someone has an idea ? 10:49 kf hm 10:49 kf I don't use the login details in git bz because I have my dev install on the same machine with the browser 10:49 kf so the cookie works 10:49 kf did you follow the instructions on the wiki? 10:50 gaetan_B yep, i'll try removing the lines with my login and password and see if it works with the cookies 10:51 kf worth a try if that is an option for you 10:51 gaetan_B nah same thing... what kind of message are you supposed to get normally when you do git bz apply XXXX ? 10:51 kf it will ask if you want to apply patch xy 10:51 kf and ofer you a y/n 10:51 gaetan_B :-/ 10:52 kf and you are logged into bugzilla? 10:52 gaetan_B definitely not working here, that's what i get: 10:52 gaetan_B Traceback (most recent call last): 10:52 gaetan_B File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 2196, in <module> 10:52 gaetan_B do_apply(*args) 10:52 gaetan_B File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 1484, in do_apply 10:52 gaetan_B bug = Bug.load(BugHandle.parse_or_die(bug_reference), 10:52 gaetan_B File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 466, in parse_or_die 10:52 gaetan_B return BugHandle.parse(str) 10:52 gaetan_B File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 455, in parse 10:52 gaetan_B auth_user = tracker_get_auth_user(tracker) 10:52 gaetan_B File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 353, in tracker_get_auth_user 10:52 gaetan_B return config['auth-user'] 10:52 gaetan_B KeyError: 'auth-user' 10:52 kf hmm 10:52 gaetan_B yes i am logged in bugzilla 10:52 kf I didn't use slef's version of git bz 10:53 kf so not sure what's going wrong here 10:53 kf perhaps someone else has an idea? 10:53 kf magnuse? 10:54 gaetan_B you mean there's another version around that i should rather use ? 10:54 magnuse i don't remember which version i used... 10:54 magnuse but i did put my login/password in a file 10:55 kf gaetan_B: do you have your own koha for testing? an installation I mean or accessing one on another server? 10:55 kf hm 10:55 gaetan_B it's a local installation on my computer 10:55 kf ok 10:57 kf I am not sure what's going wrong there 10:57 * magnuse neither 10:57 kf did you check that they show up correclty? 10:57 kf the global variables? 10:58 gaetan_B i checked my .gitconfig files, and the information was in there 10:58 kf ah ok 10:59 kf does your password contain weird characters 10:59 kf ? 11:00 kf I normally do something like git config --list --global to check things are all right 11:02 gaetan_B nothing weird in my password, but i cloned it from http://git.fishsoup.net/cgit/git-bz 11:02 gaetan_B maybe i missed something that is in the slef version 11:03 kf oh 11:03 kf that's the problem then 11:03 kf perhaps 11:03 kf that doesn ot work for our bugzilla 11:03 kf first rangi fixed something,then slef 11:03 * gaetan_B is starting over with slef's version 11:03 kf clone from the repo here: 11:03 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 11:06 gaetan_B working :) 11:07 magnuse yay 11:08 kf yay :) 11:25 Amitm Hi 11:35 magnuse is there a difference between "Replacement Price" and "Replacement cost"? 11:37 AmitG heya magnuse 11:43 magnuse hiya AmitG 11:55 hdl1 magnuse: Nope. 12:26 tcohen hi #koha 12:30 kf magnus_afk: I think not... but who knows? 12:40 bigbrovar am working on moving a library to koha from manual paper records.. finding that tellico and alexandra seems to be very valuable tools for doing such. anyone has general tips that might also help ? 12:48 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6536> 13:03 kf hi nengard 13:03 kf how are you? 13:03 nengard hello 13:03 nengard doing okay 13:08 kf nengard: good to hear 13:08 kf ready for xmas holidays? :) 13:08 nengard not at all 13:08 nengard didn't put the tree up 13:08 nengard and don't think we can before xmas now 13:08 nengard and dont' know if really want to get in the car to visit people ... 13:09 jcamins_away nengard: didn't I give you a table mapping CCL prefixes to MARC21? 13:09 nengard jcamins - you gave me this (I think) http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/searchguide.html#searchguide-ccl 13:09 nengard oh wait 13:09 nengard this: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/kohasearchindexes.html 13:10 jcamins_away Yeah. 13:10 jcamins_away Of course, it's no longer accurate. 13:10 nengard k - but i need to turn that in to english - it says 041 ln - well ln means nothing to the librarian reading the manual 13:10 nengard so maybe I need to go through this and fix it 13:10 nengard so that it's readable to a regular librarian 13:10 jcamins_away Good idea. 13:11 kf nengard: understandable 13:11 nengard jcamins is there an updated version of this in place somewhere? 13:11 jcamins_away nengard: nope. 13:11 nengard k 13:11 jcamins_away nengard: tell sekjal that DOM indexing should use some sort of literate programming technique, so that it's easier to keep the manual synced. 13:12 jcamins_away nengard: I mean, other than etc/zebrdb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs. 13:21 mbalmer new SQL code should be useable on PostgreSQL as well, imo. 13:21 mbalmer and hi, btw ;) 13:27 tcohen why is it that GetMarcBiblio and GetXmlBiblio have different APIs? 13:27 tcohen does MARCXML always has items embedded? 13:30 kf tcohen: no idea 13:32 tcohen oh 13:32 tcohen we r extracting marc and dumping as marcxml using as_xml ... 13:32 tcohen that's dissappointing 13:32 tcohen ! 13:38 jcamins_away tcohen: that seems like a bad idea. 13:41 tcohen jcamins_away: yeap 13:43 tcohen i'll leave it like that 13:43 tcohen as i don't have enough time today to code on GetXmlBiblio to make it embedd the items 13:44 jcamins_away Makes sense. 13:45 * jcamins_away heads into the city. 13:55 magnuse thanks hdl1 and kf - i was just curious... 13:56 kf sadly the names of fields in acq are not very consistent 13:56 kf it requires some cleanup 13:57 magnuse yup, translating has revealed lots of potential for cleanup ;-) 13:58 magnuse my favourite: two word strings that only differ in the case of the first letter of the second word 13:59 magnuse e.g. "Refine Results" and "Refine results" 14:00 kf yep 14:00 kf things like that 14:00 kf or an additonal blank 14:00 magnuse yup, lots of those 14:00 magnuse and the same string with and without colon 14:01 magnuse (that might be harder to do something about, not sure) 14:05 magnuse kia ora sekjal! 14:05 sekjal good morning, magnuse! 14:20 magnuse sekjal++ for bug 7372 14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7372 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ian.walls, NEW , RoadTypes should be folded into Authorised Values 14:21 sekjal magnuse: personal project of mine, unless someone can explain a reason why the separate table is necessary. 14:22 sekjal the code is set up to handle more than a single column in the table... so perhaps it's for extensibility? 14:22 magnuse i never even understood why you'd want a list of roadtypes... 14:23 sekjal in the US, the type of road (road, street, boulevard, etc) doesn't really mean anything that I'm aware of 14:24 sekjal perhaps that's different in other parts of the world 14:24 sekjal and statistical analysis is required? 14:25 magnuse beats me! 14:26 mbalmer It's a bit frustrating to work on PostgreSQL support when at the same time others continue to propose or commit SQL code that is full of MySQLisms without any need for them…. 14:27 sekjal mbalmer: understandably so. 14:27 sekjal are you doing the translation work manually, or are there scripts you can run to do a lot of the basic replacements automatically? 14:28 hdl1 sekjal: doesnot mean anything in France too... 14:30 mbalmer sekjal, if you talked to me: I do it manually. 14:30 mbalmer since it is not always a 1:1 story. 14:31 sekjal mbalmer: I'm sure there are plenty of cases where things need to be done by hand. but some stuff could surely be scripted out? 14:31 sekjal that would also give us a more consistent and easily tested patch 14:31 mbalmer some simple cases, yes. 14:32 mbalmer but it will need some additional code anyway. some of the SQL must be generated, to deliver either a MySQL or a PostgreSQL form. 14:32 mbalmer like e.g. calculating date differences 14:50 pastebot "nengard" at 126.96.36.199 pasted "looking for some help with a report (maybe kf or jcamins is around to help)" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/162 14:52 kf hm 14:52 kf I have no idea what you want to do with the rank 14:53 kf but having the additional ands behind the group by and having seems wrong 14:53 kf is it save to attach an item that is checkout out to another biblio? 14:54 * wizzyrea has never tried but I'd guess so 14:54 kf we have a duplicate record here that I want to repair 14:54 kf hmmm 14:54 * wizzyrea will try it quickly 14:54 wizzyrea on test data ;) 14:54 kf thx 14:54 kf :) 14:54 kf of course we are not using a current stable release... but will be some indicator :) 14:54 wizzyrea right 14:57 wizzyrea no, I don't see any anomalies 14:57 kf yeay :) 14:57 wizzyrea I don't believe it moves holds 14:57 kf ok, I am going to recommend doing this then... :) 14:57 kf that's ok 14:57 wizzyrea you would have to do that manually. 14:57 kf it's only an item that got attached to the ebook instead of the print boook... 14:57 wizzyrea but I think all it really does is change the bib# associated with the item 14:58 kf no holds 14:58 kf hm yes 14:58 kf but must change the link in issues too 14:58 kf could you check if it did that? 14:58 wizzyrea yep 14:58 wizzyrea well it has to have, because it says "checked out to henry" 14:58 kf hm 14:58 wizzyrea issues only keeps itemnumber? 14:58 kf oh 14:58 kf right! 14:58 kf very good then 14:58 kf should work 14:58 kf thx a lot :) 14:59 wizzyrea np np 15:09 kf wizzyrea++ 15:10 wizzyrea kf++ (thanks for the help on the attach another patch) 15:11 kf heh 15:18 jcamins oleonard++ # for jQuery brilliance 15:23 jcamins rhcl_imhere: lol 15:23 rhcl_imhere :) 15:26 jcamins rhcl_imhere: do you have a sense of whether the ASRock CPU/MB you linked to a while back would be sufficient for running Ubuntu and using it for light word processing/web surfing/e-mail/etc.? 15:27 rhcl_imhere Oh, I've been putting that project off. My tech assistant should be here w/in 4 minutes, I'll sic him on it. 15:27 jcamins rhcl_imhere: just wondering. I'm trying to put off buying my wife a new computer. 15:27 rhcl_imhere I have full confidence, however that it will work just fine. 15:27 rhcl_imhere We'll go ahead and load Koha on it too. 15:28 jcamins :) 15:28 maximep what cpu was it ? 15:28 rhcl_imhere and inport our library db 15:28 jcamins That was my sense, but it's been a while since I worried about hardward. 15:28 jcamins maximep: ASRock E350M1, I think. 15:28 jcamins (that's from memory, so I may have totally butchered it) 15:28 maximep great choice 15:29 maximep integrated gpu >>>>>>>> intel 15:29 rhcl_imhere ASRock w/ AMD dual-core Zacate CPU 15:29 maximep and the cpu is alright. Really the best mini itx, low power choice 15:30 maximep my old atom is a piece of shit compared to what amd does haha 15:30 jcamins Excellent. This makes me think I can get away with setting it up as my wife's main computer for a while. 15:31 rhcl_imhere for being mini-itx, it's got fair features -- 1 PCI slot, up to 16GB of DDR3 memory in 2 slots 15:32 rhcl_imhere I might note, however, this thing is reallly geared to being a storage server of some type--it has 8 or 9 hard drive slots. 15:32 jcamins rhcl_imhere: yeah, that's why I have to get one anyway. 15:33 jcamins I want to stick Ubuntu on one of our smaller drives and have her use that until we decide exactly what she needs in terms of a permanent computer. 15:33 rhcl_imhere http://lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/upload/image/pc-q08/q08-30.jpg 15:33 rhcl_imhere you'll need to make sure you get a mini-itx power supply 16:05 hdl1 sekjal: I think you fixed bugs on branch_transfer_limits... didn't you ? Our master branch works in that matter. But seems really badly broken on 3.6 16:06 sekjal hdl1: I don't think I touched branch_transfer_limits directly, no 16:06 * jcamins waves to hdl1 and sekjal. 16:06 hdl1 jcamins: ? 16:07 jcamins hdl1: hi. 16:07 jcamins hdl1: that's all. 16:07 hdl1 jcamins: have you ? 16:07 jcamins :) 16:07 jcamins Oh, touched branch_transfer_limits? Certainly not. 16:07 hdl1 thanks then. 16:07 * jcamins has very little to do with things circulatory. 16:07 hdl1 sekjal: ok. will redo what we did then. 16:08 kf hdl1: I have a bug open for branch transfer limits on master - I can't save changes 16:08 kf the display and select of libraries work now, but if you hit save nothing happens 16:09 kf bug 6842 16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6842 major, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, NEW , Branch transfer limits broken 16:10 Aa Hi 16:10 Aa Hi 16:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5166] Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several rebuild_zebra.pl functions a lib <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166> 16:12 reiveune1 bye 16:13 hdl1 kf : thanks This is what I was working on. 16:13 hdl1 I thought there was already a fix. 16:13 hdl1 I will try and solve that... tonight. 16:15 kf hdl1: I tested the first patches and I agree with you 16:15 kf hdl1: I think it worked in between and was broken again somehow 17:12 edveal Does anyone know how I can switch the positioning of the Nav and Tabs when a user is logged into the OPAC? 17:13 sekjal edveal: the left nav was recently split into two sysprefs, one that goes above the opac-user tabs, and the other below 17:13 edveal As it is when you add a list of links to the Nav area they push the user tabs down so they are not noticed without scrolling down. 17:13 edveal Cool I will take a look. 17:14 jcamins Huh. I missed that patch. 17:15 jcamins Nifty. 17:19 gaetan_B bye 17:26 cait back 17:26 sekjal any reason why CancelReserve shouldn't work on waiting/in transit holds? 17:27 jcamins sekjal: 'cause if you cancel a reserve that's waiting or in-transit, it never gets reclaimed by the staff? 17:28 cait hmm 17:28 cait why not? they would return it 17:28 cait to put it in the pickup shelf 17:28 cait or to cancel the hold... and then a new message would show if it has to go into transfer? 17:28 jcamins cait: I don't know. But that's the reason. 17:28 cait perhaps we need a new status then? 17:28 cait hold cancelled? 17:29 cait that requires checkin - resolving it to transfer or available? 17:29 sekjal actually, nevermind 17:29 sekjal I mis-read the code 17:29 sekjal it's not explicitly preventing that action. 17:31 sekjal huh 17:32 jcamins sekjal: I thought it was supposed to be because someone objected to waiting and in-transit holds being cancelled. 17:32 sekjal if it is, it's handled outside the CancelReserve() subroutine 17:32 jcamins Could be. 17:35 wizzyrea well there is a problem where waiting and in transit holds get stuck 17:35 wizzyrea the "canceled hold in transit" bug 17:36 wizzyrea bug 3270 17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3270 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cancelling a hold request after transfer initiated orphans item 17:36 wizzyrea which looks like it's been pushed so 17:49 rangi @wunder wellington nz 17:49 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 17:49 wizzyrea a bit chilly 17:49 jcamins @wunder 11375 17:49 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 11.2�C (12:45 PM EST on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling). 17:49 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks 17:49 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 5.5�C (11:49 AM CST on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady). 17:49 wizzyrea hehe, warmer in queens! 17:50 wizzyrea (and good morning) 17:51 * tcohen often thinks of rewriting the whole rebuild_zebra thing from scratch 17:51 jcamins tcohen++ 17:52 rangi its not a bad idea 17:52 tcohen is worth the trouble? 17:52 jcamins tcohen: if you have the time, it would definitely be worth the trouble. 17:53 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:53 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4�C (6:49 PM CET on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady). 17:53 wizzyrea brr 17:53 rangi id leave the existing stuff alone, and start a brand new module 17:53 rangi in Koha:: namespace 17:53 cait brand_new_module++ 17:53 rangi that way it wont collide 17:54 rangi and transition can be accomplished more easily 18:21 brentATwidernetDOTorg chris_n, ques re instns for win32 18:22 jcamins brentATwidernetDOTorg: installing Koha on Windows is generally not recommended. 18:22 brentATwidernetDOTorg trying to install Net-Z..ZOOM per your instns on the wiki 18:23 jcamins brentATwidernetDOTorg: chris_n isn't around, and I don't think anyone else has done it. 18:23 brentATwidernetDOTorg OK, thanks 18:25 jcamins @seen chris_n 18:25 huginn jcamins: chris_n was last seen in #koha 4 days, 20 hours, 50 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: * chris_n waves by to the #koha peps 18:25 jcamins I don't think chris_n is around, anyway. 18:25 jcamins Yeah, I think he's probably on vacation this week. 18:33 brentATwidernetDOTorg hmm. is there still a list that I could post to. 18:34 brentATwidernetDOTorg it looks like this one is dead: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/koha-win32/ 18:35 jcamins brentATwidernetDOTorg: no, chris_n is the only person using Koha on Windows. 18:35 brentATwidernetDOTorg never mind. I found it 18:35 jcamins The last version that was supported on Windows was 2.something, and it's been years since it was supported. 18:36 jcamins brentATwidernetDOTorg: you're using Koha 3.6, right? 18:36 brentATwidernetDOTorg yes 18:36 brentATwidernetDOTorg he has instructions for 3.4 18:37 jcamins Good. Just checking. 18:37 brentATwidernetDOTorg I'm trying to incorporate koha into our digital lib package. although we are working on an ubuntu version, right now most people want windows 18:38 jcamins And you can't use VirtualBox? That's definitely the easier method. 18:38 jcamins Ah. 18:38 brentATwidernetDOTorg It seems like the zoom/yaz libs are the main sticking point 18:39 brentATwidernetDOTorg his instructions are good but there is one cryptic line that I wanted to ask about 18:40 jcamins Which line? (it's unlikely I'll be able to help, but I'm curious) 18:42 brentATwidernetDOTorg well, you have to change the makefile.pm to point to yaz libs 18:42 brentATwidernetDOTorg then he says that you have to change the resulting make file as well 18:43 brentATwidernetDOTorg "append the path to the YAZ library to it" 18:43 jcamins Right. 18:44 brentATwidernetDOTorg do you know what that means? 18:44 jcamins brentATwidernetDOTorg: astonishingly, yes. 18:44 jcamins One moment while I find the line you need. 18:44 fabio_t hi #koha! 18:45 brentATwidernetDOTorg I added this: LIBS = C:\pie\software\windows\YAZ\lib\yaz4.lib 18:45 brentATwidernetDOTorg but that was just a guess 18:46 jcamins I would think you needed to modify LDFLAGS to have -lC:... 18:47 rangi back 18:48 brentATwidernetDOTorg trying that now 18:48 jcamins brentATwidernetDOTorg: however, I should point out I haven't used a Makefile on win32 in about a decade. 18:49 rangi do ppl still even use that? 18:49 jcamins And I have every intention of being a half century man. ;) 18:50 rangi @wunder wellington nz 18:50 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 18:51 magnuse @wunder boo 18:51 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (7:20 PM CET on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Snow Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 18:51 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:51 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.7�C (7:50 PM CET on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady). 18:51 rangi I see no clouds 18:51 magnuse rangi: that's not a lot to boast of for the height of summer? 18:51 rangi it'll get to 20 18:51 brentATwidernetDOTorg using this LDFLAGS = -s -L"C:\pie\software\windows\perl\perl\lib\CORE" -L"C:\pie\software\windows\perl\c\lib" -IC:\pie\software\windows\YAZ\lib\yaz4.lib 18:51 rangi its more like 13 now 18:51 brentATwidernetDOTorg same error tho 18:52 jcamins brentATwidernetDOTorg: that was a lower case ell. 18:52 * magnuse has 247 fuzzy strings left in the 3.6 nb staff translation (and 1869 untranslated) 18:52 cait you are a hero magnuse 18:52 cait magnuse++ 18:52 rangi ohh nice work 18:53 rangi en nz is pretty much finished now too 18:55 magnuse yay 18:55 brentATwidernetDOTorg jcamins: oh. thanks, but still same 18:55 rangi german was finished last year probably 18:55 magnuse noe of only someone could "bribe" eythian or srdjan into finnishing off the l10n work for the packages... 18:55 cait :P 18:55 magnuse cait++ 18:56 cait I am all ready for 3.6 18:56 cait only fixing some glitches as i find them in the interface 18:56 cait 3.6.2 18:56 jcamins brentATwidernetDOTorg: no idea, then. 18:57 brentATwidernetDOTorg thanks for taking the time 18:57 jcamins Good luck. 18:57 rangi magnuse: unlikely to happen for a while too much paid work to do 18:57 magnuse ooh - mixed blessing ;-) 18:58 magnuse is there a maori translation, btw? 18:59 rangi my dad is finishing it off, there was for 3.0 and 3.2 18:59 jcamins rangi's_dad++ 18:59 cait :) 18:59 magnuse yay! 19:00 magnuse "Your perl version seems to be obsolete. Please upgrade to a newer version of Perl (at least Version 5.006001)" 19:00 magnuse hm, is that correct? 19:00 rangi for 3.6 19:00 rangi 5.10 19:01 rangi wheres that coming from? 19:01 magnuse intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/installer/step1.tt:52 apparently 19:02 rangi we should fix that then 19:02 brentATwidernetDOTorg by the way, this is timing out: http://lists.koha-community.org/ 19:02 magnuse sounds like it 19:03 rangi hmm it was down, then up, now down again 19:03 magnuse http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/installer/step1.tt;h=dbc3736210aad8435ea125704234df15f5c790ce;hb=HEAD#l52 19:04 cait oh :( 19:04 rangi seems like an easy patch 19:06 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7370] Longoverdue cronjob claims Undefined subroutine ::LostItem <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7370> 19:06 rangi thats an easy signoff too 19:08 magnuse i can do the patch, but not today, so if anyone wants to beat me to it, feal free 19:08 rangi ok my stop 19:08 rangi bbiab 19:10 magnuse 200 fuzzy strings left 19:10 cait you can do it! 19:10 * cait cheers for magnuse 19:11 jcamins Go magnuse! 19:14 rangi back 19:19 rangi sekjal: 19:19 rangi wouldnt a better fix be 19:19 rangi use C4::Circulation qw/LostItem/; 19:19 rangi ? 19:20 sekjal rangi: that would also work... don't know if it's better or worse, and in what terms I'd measure that 19:20 rangi well its poor style to do C4::Circulation::LostItem 19:21 rangi because it hides the implicit use 19:21 sekjal ah 19:21 rangi if i counter patch it, you can sign off? 19:21 sekjal yes 19:21 rangi cool will do 19:28 rangi done 19:28 magnuse 100 fuzzy strings to go 19:29 cait fast! 19:29 cait bokmal, right? 19:31 cait hi trea 19:31 trea hi cait 19:31 trea how are you today? 19:31 cait ah good 19:31 cait and you? :) 19:31 sekjal rangi: done 19:32 rangi sweet 19:33 rangi we might get chris_n to apply that for 3.6.2 .. since i dont think paul will be back before that releases 19:34 sekjal I'd certainly like it for 3.6.2, but having something in stable that's not yet in master is.... not so good 19:34 sekjal though with this particular fix 19:34 sekjal I'm sure it's fine 19:35 sekjal I leave it to the elected officials 19:36 magnuse 50 19:36 jcamins magnuse++ 19:36 magnuse cait: yup bokm�l! 19:40 magnuse 25 19:41 cait ! 19:41 wizzyrea cait: bug 6323 I think should be ok now? 19:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6323 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup 19:41 cait will check :) 19:43 rangi 57! 19:43 rangi can we get below 50 by 2012! 19:44 magnuse done 19:45 cait of course we can 19:45 cait I will fail some more :P 19:45 magnuse 1869 untranslated to go, but that is for another day... 19:45 magnuse i will do some signing off before the year is out 19:45 magnuse maybe not this week, but definitely next 19:46 jcamins "Have I got the patch for you? Wait 'til you see it! Have I got the patch for you? Boy oh boy..." 19:47 cait ? 19:47 jcamins cait: it's a butchering of a line from the Sondheim musical "Company." 19:48 cait oh 19:48 magnuse hehe 19:55 wizzyrea where's our favorite bot? 19:55 wizzyrea wahanui? 19:55 * wizzyrea misses him 19:55 cait omg 19:55 cait yes 19:55 cait wahanui! 19:55 rangi ill ping eythian to restart him 19:55 wizzyrea yay ty! 19:55 cait ty! 19:56 wizzyrea rangi++ 20:02 magnuse have fun #koha! 20:02 rangi cya magnus_afk 20:03 cait bye magnus_afk 20:03 magnus_afk :-) 20:21 rangi coffee time brb 20:21 rhcl_imhere it's always coffee time 20:23 wizzyrea hm, items with only one item missing their edit link? the click to edit is still working but 20:24 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/B9f7CxkSM 20:25 wizzyrea weird, I edited the item and the link showed up again 20:25 wizzyrea and it stayed there 20:29 rangi back 20:33 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7031] More options for AdvancedSearchTypes <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7031> 20:33 rangi @wunder wellington nz 20:33 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 20:34 rangi getting better 20:34 wizzyrea can anyone confirm this on master - in multibranch system only the current branch is shown for either permanent or current location in edit items 20:35 wizzyrea i just checked and independent branches isn't on 20:36 rangi hmm 20:37 rangi the drop down only has that one? 20:37 * rangi checks 20:38 wizzyrea yea, it's weird. 20:38 rangi looking now 20:38 rangi hmm so it does 20:39 rangi in 3.6.1 too 20:39 rangi how odd 20:39 wizzyrea O.O 20:39 * rangi will track it down 20:39 * wizzyrea will file a bug 20:39 rangi hang fire a sec 20:39 sekjal wizzyrea: I'm getting the full list 20:39 wizzyrea ^^ is even weirder. 20:40 wizzyrea is there a new preference? 20:40 rangi you have a library set eh sekjal? 20:40 * wizzyrea does 20:40 rangi cos i only get the library im set to showing in both master and 3.6.1 20:40 sekjal I do 20:40 wizzyrea in mine it's almost like indy branches is set 20:40 wizzyrea but it's off 20:41 sekjal confirming: this is catalouging/additem.pl?op=edititem 20:41 wizzyrea ok, rangi 20:41 wizzyrea double check your independent branches 20:42 rangi hmm 20:42 rangi yes 20:42 wizzyrea because I am pretty sure that I didn't turn it on - but it was set to "prevent" 20:42 rangi oh 20:42 rangi yes it was on 20:42 rangi and i definitely didnt turn that on, not conciously 20:42 wizzyrea ^^ same 20:43 sekjal mine was on initially and consciously 20:43 sekjal turned it off, with no change 20:43 sekjal but turning it back on... 20:43 sekjal kaboom 20:43 rangi hmm 20:43 wizzyrea yea, there is something going on there 20:43 rangi yeah with that off 20:43 rangi it works 20:43 wizzyrea it works now 20:44 rangi hmm 20:44 wizzyrea i can't be 100% sure that I didn't turn it on, but I *am* about 90% sure that I didn't. 20:45 rangi yeah 20:45 rangi me too 20:45 wizzyrea i haven't been testing anything that would require it 20:46 rangi im testing on hlt db, and they definitely dont run with it on 20:46 rangi weird 20:46 rangi well a copy of their db that is 20:46 sekjal preference deleted? 20:47 sekjal so the Prevent would be the default value in the editor? 20:47 wizzyrea hmm 20:47 rangi that might have been it 20:47 wizzyrea the new db update procedures? 20:48 rangi cant see anything set to delete it 20:48 wizzyrea let me load up my test db 20:48 wizzyrea (other) test db :P 20:49 sekjal cataloguing/additem.pl lines 600-610 or so look relevant 20:50 wizzyrea right, so 20:50 wizzyrea i'm looking at my test db 20:50 wizzyrea according to the syspref page 20:50 wizzyrea it's set to prevent 20:50 wizzyrea but 20:50 wizzyrea I still see everything in the list 20:50 wizzyrea which is the opposite of what was happening before 20:51 sekjal what's the value in the systempreference table? 20:51 rangi hmm yeah thats all pretty old tho sekjal 20:51 * wizzyrea will check 20:51 rangi feb was the latest change 20:52 sekjal it really feels like this is a value-changing-out-from-underneath-us issue 20:53 sekjal very unlikely that a patch from february just got committed 20:54 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7373] new bridge icons <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7373> 20:54 wizzyrea the syspref in my test db is currently set to 1 20:55 wizzyrea flipping it changed it to 0 20:55 wizzyrea seems right 20:55 wizzyrea but - i'm still not sure I turned it on 20:57 wizzyrea furthermore - turning it back to 1 doesn't prevent me from seeing the whole list 20:57 rangi yeah 20:57 rangi something fishy going on 20:57 wizzyrea it's not even backwards, it's just not working?! 20:58 wizzyrea well and does independent branches even allow you to change your logged in branch? 20:58 wizzyrea I guess it does if you're a superlibrarian 21:00 wizzyrea right, that part is ok - a staff user without superlibrarian (but everything else) cannot switch branches 21:01 wizzyrea ohh kay this officially makes no sense at all. 21:01 wizzyrea perhaps you need a log out/in to fully apply independent branches? 21:16 wizzyrea hrmph I don't have any saved test db's that are old enough to need the last database update. 21:17 rangi hmm 21:35 sekjal wizzyrea: something about the GetBranchesLoop ? 21:35 sekjal and "onlymine"? 21:36 wizzyrea hm 21:37 sekjal what do your user permissions look like? 21:37 sekjal = 1? 21:37 wizzyrea I haven't been able to replicate it once I set and re-set the preference 21:38 wizzyrea so not sure how it got that way! 21:38 sekjal bug 6885? 21:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6885 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Superlibrarian users can't delete items from another library when IndependantBranches 21:40 sekjal no, not that one 21:40 wizzyrea i almost always use a superlibrarian user - I did have a weird anomaly earlier where the edit links didn't show up the first time I tried to edit an item 21:40 wizzyrea it's a bewildering afternoon. :( 21:42 wizzyrea bug 6802 21:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6802 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , with IndependantBranches on can still edit items 21:45 eythian hello wahanui 21:46 cait hi eythian 21:46 cait thx for bringing back wahanui :) 21:46 eythian hello cait 21:46 eythian any time 21:47 jcamins_away eythian: what's left to get translations working with packages? 21:47 eythian jcamins_away: really just testing I think. 21:47 jcamins_away eythian: oh, cool. 21:47 eythian It's something I'd like to have quite solid before it's included. 21:48 eythian oh, I think I want to also have a look at the way the build process has been changed, it's a fair bit slower now and I want to see if that can be fixed. 21:48 jcamins_away Right, but there's no development needed so far as you know, just testing it thoroughly? 21:48 eythian mostly, yeah 21:49 jcamins_away So there's nothing to prevent me making my own packages with working translations? 21:49 eythian nope 21:49 jcamins_away (using the code from Catalyst's git repo) 21:49 eythian It should be fine 21:51 jcamins_away Great, thanks! 21:51 * jcamins_away closes up shop. 21:52 mbalmer evening 21:53 cait good night all :) 22:24 mbalmer some guys are really thick when it comes to not introducing new MySQLisms... 22:25 rangi some people are really rude when it comes to common courtesies 22:26 mbalmer I don't get you. Why insist on adding new mysqlisms which are absolutely not needed? 22:26 rangi i dont get you, why act like a jerk in order to badly try to make a point 22:26 mbalmer come one. 22:27 mbalmer thats below my level. 22:27 rangi yeah, and calling someone thick is appropriate 22:29 sekjal mbalmer: if you're referring to Srdjan's patches on the list this morning, he's following the requested community practice for consistency 22:29 sekjal I realized that it adds a bit of additional work to your Postgres project 22:30 sekjal this does seem like something that could be cleaned up with a script, though, so long as we're consistent 22:31 rangi also the patches were created months/weeks ago 22:31 rangi they have just been rebased 22:35 wizzyrea thin skinned that one. 22:35 wizzyrea but expects everyone else to be tough as nails 22:35 rangi i thought jerk was mild compared to thick, stupid and retarded, but i probably shouldnt have said it 22:37 sekjal his behaviour in channel has been less than civil 22:37 ibeardslee rangi: some content for the "how not to be a jerk" for the academy? ;) 22:38 rangi :) 22:38 rangi also, using myself as an example i shoulda just left jerk out, it was unneeded 22:39 rangi he's right about postgres being the better db, but ... there's ways and means :) 22:39 wizzyrea with a little better presentation he might have gotten some traction here. 22:40 chrisdothall him being right doesnt give him the right to behave in such ways. 22:40 wizzyrea (no doubt about it, really) 22:40 ibeardslee yeap .. I thought he was a bit opinionated and to some degree confrontational about it 22:40 wizzyrea "you're not wrong, walter, you're just an asshole!" (to quote the big lebowski) 22:40 wizzyrea oh, sorry. I said the A word. 22:41 rangi that is a great movie 22:41 wizzyrea it is wonderful. 22:41 * sekjal has forwarded him a link to the next meeting agenda wiki page 22:41 * wizzyrea thinks sekjal is a very nice person 22:42 wizzyrea woot woot http://lifehacker.com/5869959/most-popular-android-tablet-asus-eee-pad-transformer-series 22:46 * ibeardslee wants one of those 22:46 mtj i just wish you herd of clueless fuckers would wake up and admit that oracle is teh best database ever 22:47 mtj </kidding> 22:48 * mtj has had to much cheap chocolate today, oops :p 22:48 rangi heh 22:48 rangi there's cheap egg nog going 22:48 rangi at the hawthorn lounge 22:49 rangi http://advent.wellingtonnz.com/ 22:50 mtj i've never even tried egg-nog before (i always thought it had raw eggs in it) 22:50 rangi it might? 22:50 rangi i have no idea 22:51 mtj yow, it does :/ -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggnog 22:51 rangi this one has alcohol, quite a lot of alcohol 22:52 wizzyrea doesn't have to 22:52 wizzyrea i mean, usually it's cooked kind of like a custard 22:52 rangi not have alcohol? .. .whats the point in that? 22:52 wizzyrea no no 22:52 wizzyrea eggs 22:52 rangi ahh 22:52 rangi phew 22:52 rangi i thought you had gone mad 22:52 wizzyrea no I agree - eggnog is not right without alcohol 22:53 mtj hmm, milk, booze and frothy eggs sounds messy 22:53 * wizzyrea remembers putting non-alcoholic egg nog on her cereal once as a kid 22:53 wizzyrea it was... unpleasant 22:53 rangi heh 22:53 wizzyrea but 22:53 wizzyrea egg nog is good. 22:53 * sekjal doesn't care for it 22:54 sekjal hot chocolate (perhaps with creme de menthe) is my winter drink of choice 22:54 wizzyrea mmmmm 22:54 wizzyrea spud recently discovered hot cocoa 22:54 rangi its summer! 22:54 * wizzyrea gets out the mai tais for the folks down south 22:54 rangi :) 22:55 wizzyrea longest day of the year! ;) 22:55 * sekjal is headed south next week, though only as far as Florida 22:55 sekjal should buy me an extra hour or two of daylight a day, though 22:55 wizzyrea mtj: Some recipes for homemade eggnog call for egg yolks to be cooked with milk into a custard to avoid potential hazards from raw eggs; eggnog has much in common with classic custard-pudding recipes that do not call for corn starch, and many eggnogs can also be cooked into egg-custard puddings. 22:55 wizzyrea ^^ is how I would do it 22:55 wizzyrea if I were making it myself. 22:56 wizzyrea but usually, I just get it out of a carton :P 22:57 wizzyrea alright, later peeps. 22:57 rangi cya wizzyrea 23:03 magnus_afk g'night #koha 23:08 sekjal best wishes to you all! I'll be back in 2012.