Time  Nick                  Message
00:37 rangi                 jcamins_away: http://www.dubpies.com/index.php
00:44 eythian               http://kimjongildroppingthebass.tumblr.com/ <-- rangi
00:44 rangi                 heh
01:43 eythian               http://awfullibrarybooks.net/?p=15676
02:12 Raj                   Hello
03:31 AmitG                 heya bag, rangi
03:31 bag                   hey AmitG
03:38 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5786] Move AllowOnShelfHolds system preference to the Circulation Matrix <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5786>
03:38 Oak                   kia ora #koha
03:45 AmitG                 heya Oak
03:45 Oak                   hello AmitG :)
04:45 Oak                   Good Morning cait :)
04:45 cait                  good morning Oak :)
05:20 AmitG                 heya cait :D
05:20 cait                  hi AmitG :)
05:47 Oak                   @wunder Konstanz
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05:47 Oak                   @wunder islamabad
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05:50 yhager                I've had a crash on my server (out of disk space), but I've recovered. I had mysql binary log running, so I don't expect any data to be lost, however, I can't find any book records, only biblio entries.. is that a database corruption, or something I can fix?
05:58 cait                  yhager: perhaps your zebra indexes are not ok?
05:58 cait                  have you tried to reindex?
05:58 cait                  and what do you mean by book entries vs. bilbio entries?
05:58 yhager                cait: i tried rebuild_zebra -r -b -a
05:58 cait                  hm
05:59 yhager                I can see the biblio entries for the book, but not our library copy information
05:59 cait                  so search works but you don't see the item information?
05:59 cait                  have you updated your koha version?
05:59 cait                  recently I mean?
06:00 yhager                yes, search through the staff port works, but search through opac does not, since there are no book records (copies)
06:00 yhager                no, it's 3.4.2
06:00 cait                  yhager I am not sure about the terms you use
06:00 cait                  how does search from staff work?
06:00 yhager                cait, ok, sorry, I'm not a librarian, but I do the technical work.
06:00 cait                  what exactly works in staff that does not work in opac?
06:01 yhager                in staff, I click on cataloging, then enter a book name in the search box
06:02 yhager                I then get the text: No results found, and underneath "Biblios in reservoid", and a list of a few biblios for the book
06:02 yhager                when I search the same string on opac (i.e. the general user interface), nothing comes up
06:02 yhager                hope I'm clearer now..
06:03 rangi                 oh
06:03 yhager                I'm not sure if the records are there, but are not shown (not indexed), or simply gone..
06:03 rangi                 thats definitely indexes or corruption
06:03 rangi                 the reservior is not the catalogue
06:04 rangi                 its a separate table
06:04 rangi                 run your rebuild with -v
06:04 yhager                I can check the db directly if that helps
06:04 yhager                okay
06:04 rangi                 my bet is it is erroring
06:04 yhager                rebuild_zebra -a -b -r?
06:04 yhager                and -v
06:04 rangi                 just do -b for now, not -a
06:05 yhager                okay, running
06:05 rangi                 so -b -r -v
06:05 rangi                 is it exporting records?
06:05 yhager                yes..
06:05 rangi                 also check zebrasrv is running
06:05 rangi                 so db is probably ok, if its exporting
06:06 yhager                rangi: aha!
06:06 yhager                that's what happens when you reboot the server once every 120 days.. you forget simple things..
06:07 * rangi               has to put his sons to bed bbiab
06:08 yhager                sorry, how do I run zebrasrv?
06:15 yhager                yay! that did it. cait, rangi: thanks, and sorry for the trivial issue
06:15 cait                  oh sorry :( my chat client didn't 'blink' - missed that you answered
06:15 Oak                   rangi++
06:15 Oak                   cait++
06:16 yhager                cait: no worries, rangi took over and solved it
06:16 cait                  yeah, he does that
06:16 cait                  :)
06:16 cait                  rangi++
06:16 yhager                you guys are awesome.. now I need to find some time and upgrade my koha arch package
06:17 yhager                got into some kind of perl package mess there... but I'll figure it out eventually
06:18 cait                  arch?
06:21 yhager                archlinux
06:24 yhager                http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41853
06:24 cait                  ah
06:24 cait                  thx :)
06:25 yhager                wow... you guys are releasing fast.. already 3.6..
06:26 rangi                 back
06:26 rangi                 feature release every 6 months
06:26 rangi                 3.8 in april
06:26 rangi                 and monthly maintenance releases
06:26 rangi                 so we are at 3.6
06:27 rangi                 3.6.1 and 3.4.7
06:27 yhager                phew.. that's a lot of upgrades :)
06:27 yhager                I guess I'll stick with 3.4 for a while.. I'm not in a hurry for new features, and we are still catalouging anyway
06:27 rangi                 its easy with the packages, and not much harder without
06:27 rangi                 you should upgrade to 3.4.7
06:28 rangi                 its a security release
06:28 yhager                well, yeah, but I'm maintaining the package too, and all the perl dependencies are not easy.
06:28 yhager                Yes, I plan to upgrade to 3.4.7 soon (read: when I have some time)
06:28 rangi                 bug 6289
06:28 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6289 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Return table could show reserve/transit data for returned items
06:28 rangi                 hm nope
06:28 rangi                 bug 6829
06:28 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6829 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove two warnings for opac-MARCdetail
06:29 rangi                 @query security
06:29 huginn                rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5131 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , XSS vulnerability in the OPAC search results interface
06:29 huginn                rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , Improving koha-list and koha-create
06:29 huginn                rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4221 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, sophie.meynieux, NEW , defaultSortField & OPACdefaultSortField non functioning
06:29 huginn                rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write
06:29 huginn                rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opac/opac-sendbasket.pl security leaky
06:30 rangi                 nope none of those :)
06:30 rangi                 have a look at the release notes and apply the patches if you dont have time to upgrade
06:31 yhager                Since I maintain the package I don't have that privilege. I need to build a new package and publish it, and only then install it and upgrade my own install. Otherwise I'll never fix the package :)
06:32 rangi                 ahh well its directory traversal, so well worth patching
06:40 magnus_away           http://lists.koha-community.org/ is down?
06:41 rangi                 yes
06:41 rangi                 and biblibre.com
06:41 rangi                 I think
06:43 rangi                 looks like server outage
06:46 cait                  oh wow
06:46 cait                  morning magnuse :)
07:18 magnuse               kia ora rangi cait and #koha!
07:19 rangi                 http://www.kiva.org/team/koha
07:19 rangi                 up to 1150 now!
07:20 magnuse               yay
07:30 magnuse               1175 now ;-)
07:30 rangi                 yay!
07:32 cait                  :)
07:33 alex_a1               morning cait, rangi and magnuse
07:33 rangi                 hey alex_a1
07:33 cait                  hi alex_a1
07:33 magnuse               bonjour alex_a1
07:33 cait                  problems with your servers?
07:33 alex_a1               alex_a1 ?
07:33 rangi                 http://biblibre.com/
07:34 magnuse               works for me now
07:34 rangi                 im still getting nothing
07:34 rangi                 for http://lists.koha-community.org/ too
07:34 magnuse               ah http://biblibre.com/ does not work, but http://www.biblibre.com/ does
07:35 magnuse               (redirects to http://drupal.biblibre.com/)
07:35 magnuse               lists... does not work
07:36 cait                  yeah
07:36 cait                  and I made lots of bug changes today :(
07:36 cait                  biblibre not working for me
07:36 magnuse               cait++
07:37 cait                  checking if patches still apply
07:37 cait                  so people will not be too hapyp
07:37 magnuse               they should! ;-)
07:37 cait                  but this way we are down to 54 in the sign off queue now
07:37 cait                  and I am not done
07:38 cait                  sorting by changed date last patch I did is 7186
07:41 cait                  ok, 53
07:41 cait                  time to go :)
07:41 Oak                   later cait :)
07:41 Oak                   cait++
07:41 Oak                   magnuse
07:42 Oak                   good read: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-truth-about-violence/
07:43 magnuse               Oak
07:52 reiveune              hello
07:56 rangi                 hi reiveune
07:57 julian_m              hello
07:59 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5788] Move ReservesMaxPickupDelay system preference to the Circulation Matrix. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5788>
08:09 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6489] cancelling hold from holds awaiting pickup does not trigger transit <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6489>
08:15 magnuse               fredericd around?
08:16 kf                    hi again #koha
08:16 kf                    hi sophie_m
08:16 sophie_m              Guten Morgen kf
08:17 Oak                   wb kf
08:21 asaurat               hi
08:21 gaetan_B              hello
08:21 kf                    good morning biblibre
08:41 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7090] Add "AllowItemsOnHandCheckout" syspref to allow issue to the patron regardless of hold status <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7090>
09:55 AmitG                 heya gaetan
09:55 AmitG                 heya kf
09:56 kf                    hi AmitG
10:04 kf                    magnuse++ :)
10:05 magnuse               ?
10:05 kf                    for your fast mailing list reply
10:06 magnuse               :-)
10:06 magnuse               anything to get a little break from translating...
10:06 kf                    lol
10:12 mtj                   has anyone checked out metacpan.org ?
10:13 rangi                 yeah its cool :)
10:13 mtj                   i would really like to pinch its page layout for a new Koha OPAC design :)
10:14 mtj                   ... its nice and clean (and looks just a little like google.com)
10:16 mtj                   https://metacpan.org/search?q=koha
10:16 mtj                   https://metacpan.org/module/Bundle::KohaSupport
10:16 mtj                   .
10:17 rangi                 yep, thats old
10:17 mtj                   if you squinted just a bit... the layout looks OPAC-ish??
10:17 rangi                 mike mylonas did that bundle
10:18 mtj                   yep, just an random example page, there...
10:18 * rangi               heads for bed
10:19 mtj                   good call, cya chris
10:19 kf                    night chris
10:33 magnuse               ooh, trailer for the hobbit...
10:37 kf                    hi sijobl
10:48 gaetan_B              hi there, i'm trying to set up git bz to test and sign off patches, but i get a KeyError: 'auth-user' all the time (and i've triple checked my login / password) someone has an idea ?
10:49 kf                    hm
10:49 kf                    I don't use the login details in git bz because I have my dev install on the same machine with the browser
10:49 kf                    so the cookie works
10:49 kf                    did you follow the instructions on the wiki?
10:50 gaetan_B              yep, i'll try removing the lines with my login and password and see if it works with the cookies
10:51 kf                    worth a try if that is an option for you
10:51 gaetan_B              nah same thing... what kind of message are you supposed to get normally when you do git bz apply XXXX ?
10:51 kf                    it will ask if you want to apply patch xy
10:51 kf                    and ofer you a y/n
10:51 gaetan_B              :-/
10:52 kf                    and you are logged into bugzilla?
10:52 gaetan_B              definitely not working here, that's what i get:
10:52 gaetan_B              Traceback (most recent call last):
10:52 gaetan_B              File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 2196, in <module>
10:52 gaetan_B              do_apply(*args)
10:52 gaetan_B              File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 1484, in do_apply
10:52 gaetan_B              bug = Bug.load(BugHandle.parse_or_die(bug_reference),
10:52 gaetan_B              File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 466, in parse_or_die
10:52 gaetan_B              return BugHandle.parse(str)
10:52 gaetan_B              File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 455, in parse
10:52 gaetan_B              auth_user = tracker_get_auth_user(tracker)
10:52 gaetan_B              File "/usr/local/bin/git-bz", line 353, in tracker_get_auth_user
10:52 gaetan_B              return config['auth-user']
10:52 gaetan_B              KeyError: 'auth-user'
10:52 kf                    hmm
10:52 gaetan_B              yes i am logged in bugzilla
10:52 kf                    I didn't use slef's version of git bz
10:53 kf                    so not sure what's going wrong here
10:53 kf                    perhaps someone else has an idea?
10:53 kf                    magnuse?
10:54 gaetan_B              you mean there's another version around that i should rather use ?
10:54 magnuse               i don't remember which version i used...
10:54 magnuse               but i did put my login/password in a file
10:55 kf                    gaetan_B: do you have your own koha for testing? an installation I mean or accessing one on another server?
10:55 kf                    hm
10:55 gaetan_B              it's a local installation on my computer
10:55 kf                    ok
10:57 kf                    I am not sure what's going wrong there
10:57 * magnuse             neither
10:57 kf                    did you check that they show up correclty?
10:57 kf                    the global variables?
10:58 gaetan_B              i checked my .gitconfig files, and the information was in there
10:58 kf                    ah ok
10:59 kf                    does your password contain weird characters
10:59 kf                    ?
11:00 kf                    I normally do something like git config --list --global to check things are all right
11:02 gaetan_B              nothing weird in my password, but i cloned it from http://git.fishsoup.net/cgit/git-bz
11:02 gaetan_B              maybe i missed something that is in the slef version
11:03 kf                    oh
11:03 kf                    that's the problem then
11:03 kf                    perhaps
11:03 kf                    that doesn ot work for our bugzilla
11:03 kf                    first rangi fixed something,then slef
11:03 * gaetan_B            is starting over with slef's version
11:03 kf                    clone from the repo here:
11:03 kf                    http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
11:06 gaetan_B              working :)
11:07 magnuse               yay
11:08 kf                    yay :)
11:25 Amitm                 Hi
11:35 magnuse               is there a difference between "Replacement Price" and "Replacement cost"?
11:37 AmitG                 heya magnuse
11:43 magnuse               hiya AmitG
11:55 hdl1                  magnuse: Nope.
12:26 tcohen                hi #koha
12:30 kf                    magnus_afk: I think not... but who knows?
12:40 bigbrovar             am working on moving a library to koha from manual paper records.. finding that tellico and alexandra seems to be very valuable tools for doing such. anyone has general tips that might also help ?
12:48 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6536>
13:03 kf                    hi nengard
13:03 kf                    how are you?
13:03 nengard               hello
13:03 nengard               doing okay
13:08 kf                    nengard: good to hear
13:08 kf                    ready for xmas holidays? :)
13:08 nengard               not at all
13:08 nengard               didn't put the tree up
13:08 nengard               and don't think we can before xmas now
13:08 nengard               and dont' know if really want to get in the car to visit people ...
13:09 jcamins_away          nengard: didn't I give you a table mapping CCL prefixes to MARC21?
13:09 nengard               jcamins - you gave me this (I think) http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/searchguide.html#searchguide-ccl
13:09 nengard               oh wait
13:09 nengard               this: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/kohasearchindexes.html
13:10 jcamins_away          Yeah.
13:10 jcamins_away          Of course, it's no longer accurate.
13:10 nengard               k - but i need to turn that in to english  -  it says 041 ln - well ln means nothing to the librarian reading the manual
13:10 nengard               so maybe I need to go through this and fix it
13:10 nengard               so that it's readable to a regular librarian
13:10 jcamins_away          Good idea.
13:11 kf                    nengard: understandable
13:11 nengard               jcamins is there an updated version of this in place somewhere?
13:11 jcamins_away          nengard: nope.
13:11 nengard               k
13:11 jcamins_away          nengard: tell sekjal that DOM indexing should use some sort of literate programming technique, so that it's easier to keep the manual synced.
13:12 jcamins_away          nengard: I mean, other than etc/zebrdb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs.
13:21 mbalmer               new SQL code should be useable on PostgreSQL as well, imo.
13:21 mbalmer               and hi, btw ;)
13:27 tcohen                why is it that GetMarcBiblio and GetXmlBiblio have different APIs?
13:27 tcohen                does MARCXML always has items embedded?
13:30 kf                    tcohen: no idea
13:32 tcohen                oh
13:32 tcohen                we r extracting marc and dumping as marcxml using  as_xml ...
13:32 tcohen                that's dissappointing
13:32 tcohen                !
13:38 jcamins_away          tcohen: that seems like a bad idea.
13:41 tcohen                jcamins_away: yeap
13:43 tcohen                i'll leave it like that
13:43 tcohen                as i don't have enough time today to code on GetXmlBiblio to make it embedd the items
13:44 jcamins_away          Makes sense.
13:45 * jcamins_away        heads into the city.
13:55 magnuse               thanks hdl1 and kf - i was just curious...
13:56 kf                    sadly the names of fields in acq are not very consistent
13:56 kf                    it requires some cleanup
13:57 magnuse               yup, translating has revealed lots of potential for cleanup ;-)
13:58 magnuse               my favourite: two word strings that only differ in the case of the first letter of the second word
13:59 magnuse               e.g. "Refine Results" and "Refine results"
14:00 kf                    yep
14:00 kf                    things like that
14:00 kf                    or an additonal blank
14:00 magnuse               yup, lots of those
14:00 magnuse               and the same string with and without colon
14:01 magnuse               (that might be harder to do something about, not sure)
14:05 magnuse               kia ora sekjal!
14:05 sekjal                good morning, magnuse!
14:20 magnuse               sekjal++ for bug 7372
14:20 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7372 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ian.walls, NEW , RoadTypes should be folded into Authorised Values
14:21 sekjal                magnuse:  personal project of mine, unless someone can explain a reason why the separate table is necessary.
14:22 sekjal                the code is set up to handle more than a single column in the table... so perhaps it's for extensibility?
14:22 magnuse               i never even understood why you'd want a list of roadtypes...
14:23 sekjal                in the US, the type of road (road, street, boulevard, etc) doesn't really mean anything that I'm aware of
14:24 sekjal                perhaps that's different in other parts of the world
14:24 sekjal                and statistical analysis is required?
14:25 magnuse               beats me!
14:26 mbalmer               It's a bit frustrating to work on PostgreSQL support when at the same time others continue to propose or commit SQL code that is full of MySQLisms without any need for them….
14:27 sekjal                mbalmer: understandably so.
14:27 sekjal                are you doing the translation work manually, or are there scripts you can run to do a lot of the basic replacements automatically?
14:28 hdl1                  sekjal: doesnot mean anything in France too...
14:30 mbalmer               sekjal, if you talked to me:  I do it manually.
14:30 mbalmer               since it is not always a 1:1 story.
14:31 sekjal                mbalmer:  I'm sure there are plenty of cases where things need to be done by hand.  but some stuff could surely be scripted out?
14:31 sekjal                that would also give us a more consistent and easily tested patch
14:31 mbalmer               some simple cases, yes.
14:32 mbalmer               but it will need some additional code anyway.  some of the SQL must be generated, to deliver either a MySQL or a PostgreSQL form.
14:32 mbalmer               like e.g. calculating date differences
14:50 pastebot              "nengard" at pasted "looking for some help with a report (maybe kf or jcamins is around to help)" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/162
14:52 kf                    hm
14:52 kf                    I have no idea what you want to do with the rank
14:53 kf                    but having the additional ands behind the group by and having seems wrong
14:53 kf                    is it save to attach an item that is checkout out to another biblio?
14:54 * wizzyrea            has never tried but I'd guess so
14:54 kf                    we have a duplicate record here that I want to repair
14:54 kf                    hmmm
14:54 * wizzyrea            will try it quickly
14:54 wizzyrea              on test data ;)
14:54 kf                    thx
14:54 kf                    :)
14:54 kf                    of course we are not using a current stable release... but will be some indicator :)
14:54 wizzyrea              right
14:57 wizzyrea              no, I don't see any anomalies
14:57 kf                    yeay :)
14:57 wizzyrea              I don't believe it moves holds
14:57 kf                    ok, I am going to recommend doing this then... :)
14:57 kf                    that's ok
14:57 wizzyrea              you would have to do that manually.
14:57 kf                    it's only an item that got attached to the ebook instead of the print boook...
14:57 wizzyrea              but I think all it really does is change the bib# associated with the item
14:58 kf                    no holds
14:58 kf                    hm yes
14:58 kf                    but must change the link in issues too
14:58 kf                    could you check if it did that?
14:58 wizzyrea              yep
14:58 wizzyrea              well it has to have, because it says "checked out to henry"
14:58 kf                    hm
14:58 wizzyrea              issues only keeps itemnumber?
14:58 kf                    oh
14:58 kf                    right!
14:58 kf                    very good then
14:58 kf                    should work
14:58 kf                    thx a lot :)
14:59 wizzyrea              np np
15:09 kf                    wizzyrea++
15:10 wizzyrea              kf++ (thanks for the help on the attach another patch)
15:11 kf                    heh
15:18 jcamins               oleonard++ # for jQuery brilliance
15:23 jcamins               rhcl_imhere: lol
15:23 rhcl_imhere           :)
15:26 jcamins               rhcl_imhere: do you have a sense of whether the ASRock CPU/MB you linked to a while back would be sufficient for running Ubuntu and using it for light word processing/web surfing/e-mail/etc.?
15:27 rhcl_imhere           Oh, I've been putting that project off. My tech assistant should be here w/in 4 minutes, I'll sic him on it.
15:27 jcamins               rhcl_imhere: just wondering. I'm trying to put off buying my wife a new computer.
15:27 rhcl_imhere           I have full confidence, however that it will work just fine.
15:27 rhcl_imhere           We'll go ahead and load Koha on it too.
15:28 jcamins               :)
15:28 maximep               what cpu was it ?
15:28 rhcl_imhere           and inport our library db
15:28 jcamins               That was my sense, but it's been a while since I worried about hardward.
15:28 jcamins               maximep: ASRock E350M1, I think.
15:28 jcamins               (that's from memory, so I may have totally butchered it)
15:28 maximep               great choice
15:29 maximep               integrated gpu >>>>>>>> intel
15:29 rhcl_imhere           ASRock w/ AMD dual-core Zacate CPU
15:29 maximep               and the cpu is alright. Really the best mini itx, low power choice
15:30 maximep               my old atom is a piece of shit compared to what amd does haha
15:30 jcamins               Excellent. This makes me think I can get away with setting it up as my wife's main computer for a while.
15:31 rhcl_imhere           for being mini-itx, it's got fair features -- 1 PCI slot, up to 16GB of DDR3 memory in 2 slots
15:32 rhcl_imhere           I might note, however, this thing is reallly geared to being a storage server of some type--it has 8 or 9 hard drive slots.
15:32 jcamins               rhcl_imhere: yeah, that's why I have to get one anyway.
15:33 jcamins               I want to stick Ubuntu on one of our smaller drives and have her use that until we decide exactly what she needs in terms of a permanent computer.
15:33 rhcl_imhere           http://lian-li.com/v2/tw/product/upload/image/pc-q08/q08-30.jpg
15:33 rhcl_imhere           you'll need to make sure you get a mini-itx power supply
16:05 hdl1                  sekjal: I think you fixed bugs on branch_transfer_limits... didn't you ? Our master branch works in that matter. But seems really badly broken on 3.6
16:06 sekjal                hdl1:  I don't think I touched branch_transfer_limits directly, no
16:06 * jcamins             waves to hdl1 and sekjal.
16:06 hdl1                  jcamins: ?
16:07 jcamins               hdl1: hi.
16:07 jcamins               hdl1: that's all.
16:07 hdl1                  jcamins: have you ?
16:07 jcamins               :)
16:07 jcamins               Oh, touched branch_transfer_limits? Certainly not.
16:07 hdl1                  thanks then.
16:07 * jcamins             has very little to do with things circulatory.
16:07 hdl1                  sekjal: ok. will redo what we did then.
16:08 kf                    hdl1: I have a bug open for branch transfer limits on master - I can't save changes
16:08 kf                    the display and select of libraries work now, but if you hit save nothing happens
16:09 kf                    bug 6842
16:09 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6842 major, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, NEW , Branch transfer limits broken
16:10 Aa                    Hi
16:10 Aa                    Hi
16:11 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5166] Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several rebuild_zebra.pl functions a lib <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166>
16:12 reiveune1             bye
16:13 hdl1                  kf : thanks This is what I was working on.
16:13 hdl1                  I thought there was already a fix.
16:13 hdl1                  I will try and solve that... tonight.
16:15 kf                    hdl1: I tested the first patches and I agree with you
16:15 kf                    hdl1: I think it worked in between and was broken again somehow
17:12 edveal                Does anyone know how I can switch the positioning of the Nav and Tabs when a user is logged into the OPAC?
17:13 sekjal                edveal: the left nav was recently split into two sysprefs, one that goes above the opac-user tabs, and the other below
17:13 edveal                As it is when you add a list of links to the Nav area they push the user tabs down so they are not noticed without scrolling down.
17:13 edveal                Cool I will take a look.
17:14 jcamins               Huh. I missed that patch.
17:15 jcamins               Nifty.
17:19 gaetan_B              bye
17:26 cait                  back
17:26 sekjal                any reason why CancelReserve shouldn't work on waiting/in transit holds?
17:27 jcamins               sekjal: 'cause if you cancel a reserve that's waiting or in-transit, it never gets reclaimed by the staff?
17:28 cait                  hmm
17:28 cait                  why not? they would return it
17:28 cait                  to put it in the pickup shelf
17:28 cait                  or to cancel the hold... and then a new message would show if it has to go into transfer?
17:28 jcamins               cait: I don't know. But that's the reason.
17:28 cait                  perhaps we need a new status then?
17:28 cait                  hold cancelled?
17:29 cait                  that requires checkin - resolving it to transfer or available?
17:29 sekjal                actually, nevermind
17:29 sekjal                I mis-read the code
17:29 sekjal                it's not explicitly preventing that action.
17:31 sekjal                huh
17:32 jcamins               sekjal: I thought it was supposed to be because someone objected to waiting and in-transit holds being cancelled.
17:32 sekjal                if it is, it's handled outside the CancelReserve() subroutine
17:32 jcamins               Could be.
17:35 wizzyrea              well there is a problem where waiting and in transit holds get stuck
17:35 wizzyrea              the "canceled hold in transit" bug
17:36 wizzyrea              bug 3270
17:36 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3270 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cancelling a hold request after transfer initiated orphans item
17:36 wizzyrea              which looks like it's been pushed so
17:49 rangi                 @wunder wellington nz
17:49 huginn                rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
17:49 wizzyrea              a bit chilly
17:49 jcamins               @wunder 11375
17:49 huginn                jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 11.2�C (12:45 PM EST on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Falling).
17:49 wizzyrea              @wunder lawrence ks
17:49 huginn                wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 5.5�C (11:49 AM CST on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady).
17:49 wizzyrea              hehe, warmer in queens!
17:50 wizzyrea              (and good morning)
17:51 * tcohen              often thinks of rewriting the whole rebuild_zebra thing from scratch
17:51 jcamins               tcohen++
17:52 rangi                 its not a bad idea
17:52 tcohen                is worth the trouble?
17:52 jcamins               tcohen: if you have the time, it would definitely be worth the trouble.
17:53 cait                  @wunder Konstanz
17:53 huginn                cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4�C (6:49 PM CET on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
17:53 wizzyrea              brr
17:53 rangi                 id leave the existing stuff alone, and start a brand new module
17:53 rangi                 in Koha:: namespace
17:53 cait                  brand_new_module++
17:53 rangi                 that way it wont collide
17:54 rangi                 and transition can be accomplished more easily
18:21 brentATwidernetDOTorg chris_n, ques re instns for win32
18:22 jcamins               brentATwidernetDOTorg: installing Koha on Windows is generally not recommended.
18:22 brentATwidernetDOTorg trying to install Net-Z..ZOOM per your instns on the wiki
18:23 jcamins               brentATwidernetDOTorg: chris_n isn't around, and I don't think anyone else has done it.
18:23 brentATwidernetDOTorg OK, thanks
18:25 jcamins               @seen chris_n
18:25 huginn                jcamins: chris_n was last seen in #koha 4 days, 20 hours, 50 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: * chris_n waves by to the #koha peps
18:25 jcamins               I don't think chris_n is around, anyway.
18:25 jcamins               Yeah, I think he's probably on vacation this week.
18:33 brentATwidernetDOTorg hmm.  is there still a list that I could post to.
18:34 brentATwidernetDOTorg it looks like this one is dead: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/koha-win32/
18:35 jcamins               brentATwidernetDOTorg: no, chris_n is the only person using Koha on Windows.
18:35 brentATwidernetDOTorg never mind. I found it
18:35 jcamins               The last version that was supported on Windows was 2.something, and it's been years since it was supported.
18:36 jcamins               brentATwidernetDOTorg: you're using Koha 3.6, right?
18:36 brentATwidernetDOTorg yes
18:36 brentATwidernetDOTorg he has instructions for 3.4
18:37 jcamins               Good. Just checking.
18:37 brentATwidernetDOTorg I'm trying to incorporate koha into our digital lib package.  although we are working on an ubuntu version, right now most people want windows
18:38 jcamins               And you can't use VirtualBox? That's definitely the easier method.
18:38 jcamins               Ah.
18:38 brentATwidernetDOTorg It seems like the zoom/yaz libs are the main sticking point
18:39 brentATwidernetDOTorg his instructions are good but there is one cryptic line that I wanted to ask about
18:40 jcamins               Which line? (it's unlikely I'll be able to help, but I'm curious)
18:42 brentATwidernetDOTorg well, you have to change the makefile.pm to point to yaz libs
18:42 brentATwidernetDOTorg then he says that you have to change the resulting make file as well
18:43 brentATwidernetDOTorg "append the path to the YAZ library to it"
18:43 jcamins               Right.
18:44 brentATwidernetDOTorg do you know what that means?
18:44 jcamins               brentATwidernetDOTorg: astonishingly, yes.
18:44 jcamins               One moment while I find the line you need.
18:44 fabio_t               hi #koha!
18:45 brentATwidernetDOTorg I added this: LIBS = C:\pie\software\windows\YAZ\lib\yaz4.lib
18:45 brentATwidernetDOTorg but that was just a guess
18:46 jcamins               I would think you needed to modify LDFLAGS to have -lC:...
18:47 rangi                 back
18:48 brentATwidernetDOTorg trying that now
18:48 jcamins               brentATwidernetDOTorg: however, I should point out I haven't used a Makefile on win32 in about a decade.
18:49 rangi                 do ppl still even use that?
18:49 jcamins               And I have every intention of being a half century man. ;)
18:50 rangi                 @wunder wellington nz
18:50 huginn                rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
18:51 magnuse               @wunder boo
18:51 huginn                magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (7:20 PM CET on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Snow Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
18:51 cait                  @wunder Konstanz
18:51 huginn                cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.7�C (7:50 PM CET on December 21, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Steady).
18:51 rangi                 I see no clouds
18:51 magnuse               rangi: that's not a lot to boast of for the height of summer?
18:51 rangi                 it'll get to 20
18:51 brentATwidernetDOTorg using this LDFLAGS = -s -L"C:\pie\software\windows\perl\perl\lib\CORE" -L"C:\pie\software\windows\perl\c\lib" -IC:\pie\software\windows\YAZ\lib\yaz4.lib
18:51 rangi                 its more like 13 now
18:51 brentATwidernetDOTorg same error tho
18:52 jcamins               brentATwidernetDOTorg: that was a lower case ell.
18:52 * magnuse             has 247 fuzzy strings left in the 3.6 nb staff translation (and 1869 untranslated)
18:52 cait                  you are a hero magnuse
18:52 cait                  magnuse++
18:52 rangi                 ohh nice work
18:53 rangi                 en nz is pretty much finished now too
18:55 magnuse               yay
18:55 brentATwidernetDOTorg jcamins: oh. thanks, but still same
18:55 rangi                 german was finished last year probably
18:55 magnuse               noe of only someone could "bribe" eythian or srdjan into finnishing off the l10n work for the packages...
18:55 cait                  :P
18:55 magnuse               cait++
18:56 cait                  I am all ready for 3.6
18:56 cait                  only fixing some glitches as i find them in the interface
18:56 cait                  3.6.2
18:56 jcamins               brentATwidernetDOTorg: no idea, then.
18:57 brentATwidernetDOTorg thanks for taking the time
18:57 jcamins               Good luck.
18:57 rangi                 magnuse: unlikely to happen for a while too much paid work to do
18:57 magnuse               ooh - mixed blessing ;-)
18:58 magnuse               is there a maori translation, btw?
18:59 rangi                 my dad is finishing it off, there was for 3.0 and 3.2
18:59 jcamins               rangi's_dad++
18:59 cait                  :)
18:59 magnuse               yay!
19:00 magnuse               "Your perl version seems to be obsolete. Please upgrade to a newer version of Perl (at least Version 5.006001)"
19:00 magnuse               hm, is that correct?
19:00 rangi                 for 3.6
19:00 rangi                  5.10
19:01 rangi                 wheres that coming from?
19:01 magnuse               intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/installer/step1.tt:52 apparently
19:02 rangi                 we should fix that then
19:02 brentATwidernetDOTorg by the way, this is timing out: http://lists.koha-community.org/
19:02 magnuse               sounds like it
19:03 rangi                 hmm it was down, then up, now down again
19:03 magnuse               http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/installer/step1.tt;h=dbc3736210aad8435ea125704234df15f5c790ce;hb=HEAD#l52
19:04 cait                  oh :(
19:04 rangi                 seems like an easy patch
19:06 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7370] Longoverdue cronjob claims Undefined subroutine ::LostItem <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7370>
19:06 rangi                 thats an easy signoff too
19:08 magnuse               i can do the patch, but not today, so if anyone wants to beat me to it, feal free
19:08 rangi                 ok my stop
19:08 rangi                 bbiab
19:10 magnuse               200 fuzzy strings left
19:10 cait                  you can do it!
19:10 * cait                cheers for magnuse
19:11 jcamins               Go magnuse!
19:14 rangi                 back
19:19 rangi                 sekjal:
19:19 rangi                 wouldnt a better fix be
19:19 rangi                 use C4::Circulation qw/LostItem/;
19:19 rangi                 ?
19:20 sekjal                rangi:  that would also work... don't know if it's better or worse, and in what terms I'd measure that
19:20 rangi                 well its poor style to do C4::Circulation::LostItem
19:21 rangi                 because it hides the implicit use
19:21 sekjal                ah
19:21 rangi                 if i counter patch it, you can sign off?
19:21 sekjal                yes
19:21 rangi                 cool will do
19:28 rangi                 done
19:28 magnuse               100 fuzzy strings to go
19:29 cait                  fast!
19:29 cait                  bokmal, right?
19:31 cait                  hi trea
19:31 trea                  hi cait
19:31 trea                  how are you today?
19:31 cait                  ah good
19:31 cait                  and you? :)
19:31 sekjal                rangi:  done
19:32 rangi                 sweet
19:33 rangi                 we might get chris_n to apply that for 3.6.2 .. since i dont think paul will be back before that releases
19:34 sekjal                I'd certainly like it for 3.6.2, but having something in stable that's not yet in master is.... not so good
19:34 sekjal                though with this particular fix
19:34 sekjal                I'm sure it's fine
19:35 sekjal                I leave it to the elected officials
19:36 magnuse               50
19:36 jcamins               magnuse++
19:36 magnuse               cait: yup bokm�l!
19:40 magnuse               25
19:41 cait                  !
19:41 wizzyrea              cait: bug 6323 I think should be ok now?
19:41 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6323 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup
19:41 cait                  will  check :)
19:43 rangi                 57!
19:43 rangi                 can we get below 50 by 2012!
19:44 magnuse               done
19:45 cait                  of course we can
19:45 cait                  I will fail some more :P
19:45 magnuse               1869 untranslated to go, but that is for another day...
19:45 magnuse               i will do some signing off before the year is out
19:45 magnuse               maybe not this week, but definitely next
19:46 jcamins               "Have I got the patch for you? Wait 'til you see it! Have I got the patch for you? Boy oh boy..."
19:47 cait                  ?
19:47 jcamins               cait: it's a butchering of a line from the Sondheim musical "Company."
19:48 cait                  oh
19:48 magnuse               hehe
19:55 wizzyrea              where's our favorite bot?
19:55 wizzyrea              wahanui?
19:55 * wizzyrea            misses him
19:55 cait                  omg
19:55 cait                  yes
19:55 cait                  wahanui!
19:55 rangi                 ill ping eythian to restart him
19:55 wizzyrea              yay ty!
19:55 cait                  ty!
19:56 wizzyrea              rangi++
20:02 magnuse               have fun #koha!
20:02 rangi                 cya magnus_afk
20:03 cait                  bye magnus_afk
20:03 magnus_afk            :-)
20:21 rangi                 coffee time brb
20:21 rhcl_imhere           it's always coffee time
20:23 wizzyrea              hm, items with only one item missing their edit link? the click to edit is still working but
20:24 wizzyrea              http://screencast.com/t/B9f7CxkSM
20:25 wizzyrea              weird, I edited the item and the link showed up again
20:25 wizzyrea              and it stayed there
20:29 rangi                 back
20:33 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7031] More options for AdvancedSearchTypes <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7031>
20:33 rangi                 @wunder wellington nz
20:33 huginn                rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
20:34 rangi                 getting better
20:34 wizzyrea              can anyone confirm this on master - in multibranch system only the current branch is shown for either permanent or current location in edit items
20:35 wizzyrea              i just checked and independent branches isn't on
20:36 rangi                 hmm
20:37 rangi                 the drop down only has that one?
20:37 * rangi               checks
20:38 wizzyrea              yea, it's weird.
20:38 rangi                 looking now
20:38 rangi                 hmm so it does
20:39 rangi                 in 3.6.1 too
20:39 rangi                 how odd
20:39 wizzyrea              O.O
20:39 * rangi               will track it down
20:39 * wizzyrea            will file a bug
20:39 rangi                 hang fire a sec
20:39 sekjal                wizzyrea: I'm getting the full list
20:39 wizzyrea              ^^ is even weirder.
20:40 wizzyrea              is there a new preference?
20:40 rangi                 you have a library set eh sekjal?
20:40 * wizzyrea            does
20:40 rangi                 cos i only get the library im set to showing in both master and 3.6.1
20:40 sekjal                I do
20:40 wizzyrea              in mine it's almost like indy branches is set
20:40 wizzyrea              but it's off
20:41 sekjal                confirming:  this is catalouging/additem.pl?op=edititem
20:41 wizzyrea              ok, rangi
20:41 wizzyrea              double check your independent branches
20:42 rangi                 hmm
20:42 rangi                 yes
20:42 wizzyrea              because I am pretty sure that I didn't turn it on - but it was set to "prevent"
20:42 rangi                 oh
20:42 rangi                 yes it was on
20:42 rangi                 and i definitely didnt turn that on, not conciously
20:42 wizzyrea              ^^ same
20:43 sekjal                mine was on initially and consciously
20:43 sekjal                turned it off, with no change
20:43 sekjal                but turning it back on...
20:43 sekjal                kaboom
20:43 rangi                 hmm
20:43 wizzyrea              yea, there is something going on there
20:43 rangi                 yeah with that off
20:43 rangi                 it works
20:43 wizzyrea              it works now
20:44 rangi                 hmm
20:44 wizzyrea              i can't be 100% sure that I didn't turn it on, but I *am* about 90% sure that I didn't.
20:45 rangi                 yeah
20:45 rangi                 me too
20:45 wizzyrea              i haven't been testing anything that would require it
20:46 rangi                 im testing on hlt db, and they definitely dont run with it on
20:46 rangi                 weird
20:46 rangi                 well a copy of their db that is
20:46 sekjal                preference deleted?
20:47 sekjal                so the Prevent would be the default value in the editor?
20:47 wizzyrea              hmm
20:47 rangi                 that might have been it
20:47 wizzyrea              the new db update procedures?
20:48 rangi                 cant see anything set to delete it
20:48 wizzyrea              let me load up my test db
20:48 wizzyrea              (other) test db :P
20:49 sekjal                cataloguing/additem.pl lines 600-610 or so look relevant
20:50 wizzyrea              right, so
20:50 wizzyrea              i'm looking at my test db
20:50 wizzyrea              according to the syspref page
20:50 wizzyrea              it's set to prevent
20:50 wizzyrea              but
20:50 wizzyrea              I still see everything in the list
20:50 wizzyrea              which is the opposite of what was happening before
20:51 sekjal                what's the value in the systempreference table?
20:51 rangi                 hmm yeah thats all pretty old tho sekjal
20:51 * wizzyrea            will check
20:51 rangi                 feb was the latest change
20:52 sekjal                it really feels like this is a value-changing-out-from-underneath-us issue
20:53 sekjal                very unlikely that a patch from february just got committed
20:54 huginn                New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7373] new bridge icons <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7373>
20:54 wizzyrea              the syspref in my test db is currently set to 1
20:55 wizzyrea              flipping it changed it to 0
20:55 wizzyrea              seems right
20:55 wizzyrea              but - i'm still not sure I turned it on
20:57 wizzyrea              furthermore - turning it back to 1 doesn't prevent me from seeing the whole list
20:57 rangi                 yeah
20:57 rangi                 something fishy going on
20:57 wizzyrea              it's not even backwards, it's just not working?!
20:58 wizzyrea              well and does independent branches even allow you to change your logged in branch?
20:58 wizzyrea              I guess it does if you're a superlibrarian
21:00 wizzyrea              right, that part is ok - a staff user without superlibrarian (but everything else) cannot switch branches
21:01 wizzyrea              ohh kay this officially makes no sense at all.
21:01 wizzyrea              perhaps you need a log out/in to fully apply independent branches?
21:16 wizzyrea              hrmph I don't have any saved test db's that are old enough to need the last database update.
21:17 rangi                 hmm
21:35 sekjal                wizzyrea:  something about the GetBranchesLoop ?
21:35 sekjal                and "onlymine"?
21:36 wizzyrea              hm
21:37 sekjal                what do your user permissions look like?
21:37 sekjal                = 1?
21:37 wizzyrea              I haven't been able to replicate it once I set and re-set the preference
21:38 wizzyrea              so not sure how it got that way!
21:38 sekjal                bug 6885?
21:38 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6885 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Superlibrarian users can't delete items from another library when IndependantBranches
21:40 sekjal                no, not that one
21:40 wizzyrea              i almost always use a superlibrarian user - I did have a weird anomaly earlier where the edit links didn't show up the first time I tried to edit an item
21:40 wizzyrea              it's a bewildering afternoon. :(
21:42 wizzyrea              bug 6802
21:42 huginn                04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6802 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , with IndependantBranches  on can still edit items
21:45 eythian               hello wahanui
21:46 cait                  hi eythian
21:46 cait                  thx for bringing back wahanui :)
21:46 eythian               hello cait
21:46 eythian               any time
21:47 jcamins_away          eythian: what's left to get translations working with packages?
21:47 eythian               jcamins_away: really just testing I think.
21:47 jcamins_away          eythian: oh, cool.
21:47 eythian               It's something I'd like to have quite solid before it's included.
21:48 eythian               oh, I think I want to also have a look at the way the build process has been changed, it's a fair bit slower now and I want to see if that can be fixed.
21:48 jcamins_away          Right, but there's no development needed so far as you know, just testing it thoroughly?
21:48 eythian               mostly, yeah
21:49 jcamins_away          So there's nothing to prevent me making my own packages with working translations?
21:49 eythian               nope
21:49 jcamins_away          (using the code from Catalyst's git repo)
21:49 eythian               It should be fine
21:51 jcamins_away          Great, thanks!
21:51 * jcamins_away        closes up shop.
21:52 mbalmer               evening
21:53 cait                  good night all :)
22:24 mbalmer               some guys are really thick when it comes to not introducing new MySQLisms...
22:25 rangi                 some people are really rude when it comes to common courtesies
22:26 mbalmer               I don't get you.  Why insist on adding new mysqlisms which are absolutely not needed?
22:26 rangi                 i dont get you, why act like a jerk in order to badly try to make a point
22:26 mbalmer               come one.
22:27 mbalmer               thats below my level.
22:27 rangi                 yeah, and calling someone thick is appropriate
22:29 sekjal                mbalmer:  if you're referring to Srdjan's patches on the list this morning, he's following the requested community practice for consistency
22:29 sekjal                I realized that it adds a bit of additional work to your Postgres project
22:30 sekjal                this does seem like something that could be cleaned up with a script, though, so long as we're consistent
22:31 rangi                 also the patches were created months/weeks ago
22:31 rangi                 they have just been rebased
22:35 wizzyrea              thin skinned that one.
22:35 wizzyrea              but expects everyone else to be tough as nails
22:35 rangi                 i thought jerk was mild compared to thick, stupid and retarded, but i probably shouldnt have said it
22:37 sekjal                his behaviour in channel has been less than civil
22:37 ibeardslee            rangi: some content for the "how not to be a jerk" for the academy? ;)
22:38 rangi                 :)
22:38 rangi                 also, using myself as an example i shoulda just left jerk out, it was unneeded
22:39 rangi                 he's right about postgres being the better db, but ... there's ways and means :)
22:39 wizzyrea              with a little better presentation he might have gotten some traction here.
22:40 chrisdothall          him being right doesnt give him the right to behave in such ways.
22:40 wizzyrea              (no doubt about it, really)
22:40 ibeardslee            yeap .. I thought he was a bit opinionated and to some degree confrontational about it
22:40 wizzyrea              "you're not wrong, walter, you're just an asshole!" (to quote the big lebowski)
22:40 wizzyrea              oh, sorry. I said the A word.
22:41 rangi                 that is a great movie
22:41 wizzyrea              it is wonderful.
22:41 * sekjal              has forwarded him a link to the next meeting agenda wiki page
22:41 * wizzyrea            thinks sekjal is a very nice person
22:42 wizzyrea              woot woot http://lifehacker.com/5869959/most-popular-android-tablet-asus-eee-pad-transformer-series
22:46 * ibeardslee          wants one of those
22:46 mtj                   i just wish you herd of clueless fuckers would wake up and admit that oracle is teh best database ever
22:47 mtj                   </kidding>
22:48 * mtj                 has had to much cheap chocolate today, oops :p
22:48 rangi                 heh
22:48 rangi                 there's cheap egg nog going
22:48 rangi                 at the hawthorn lounge
22:49 rangi                 http://advent.wellingtonnz.com/
22:50 mtj                   i've never even tried egg-nog before  (i always thought it had raw eggs in it)
22:50 rangi                 it might?
22:50 rangi                 i have no idea
22:51 mtj                   yow, it does :/ -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggnog
22:51 rangi                 this one has alcohol, quite a lot of alcohol
22:52 wizzyrea              doesn't have to
22:52 wizzyrea              i mean, usually it's cooked kind of like a custard
22:52 rangi                 not have alcohol? .. .whats the point in that?
22:52 wizzyrea              no no
22:52 wizzyrea              eggs
22:52 rangi                 ahh
22:52 rangi                 phew
22:52 rangi                 i thought you had gone mad
22:52 wizzyrea              no I agree - eggnog is not right without alcohol
22:53 mtj                   hmm, milk, booze and frothy eggs sounds messy
22:53 * wizzyrea            remembers putting non-alcoholic egg nog on her cereal once as a kid
22:53 wizzyrea              it was... unpleasant
22:53 rangi                 heh
22:53 wizzyrea              but
22:53 wizzyrea              egg nog is good.
22:53 * sekjal              doesn't care for it
22:54 sekjal                hot chocolate (perhaps with creme de menthe) is my winter drink of choice
22:54 wizzyrea              mmmmm
22:54 wizzyrea              spud recently discovered hot cocoa
22:54 rangi                 its summer!
22:54 * wizzyrea            gets out the mai tais for the folks down south
22:54 rangi                 :)
22:55 wizzyrea              longest day of the year! ;)
22:55 * sekjal              is headed south next week, though only as far as Florida
22:55 sekjal                should buy me an extra hour or two of daylight a day, though
22:55 wizzyrea              mtj: Some recipes for homemade eggnog call for egg yolks to be cooked with milk into a custard to avoid potential hazards from raw eggs; eggnog has much in common with classic custard-pudding recipes that do not call for corn starch, and many eggnogs can also be cooked into egg-custard puddings.
22:55 wizzyrea              ^^ is how I would do it
22:55 wizzyrea              if I were making it myself.
22:56 wizzyrea              but usually, I just get it out of a carton :P
22:57 wizzyrea              alright, later peeps.
22:57 rangi                 cya wizzyrea
23:03 magnus_afk            g'night #koha
23:08 sekjal                best wishes to you all!   I'll be back in 2012.