Time Nick Message 00:00 * jcamins_away seeks around for more bad news to give rangi. 00:01 jcamins_away [A 00:01 jcamins_away Whoops. 00:08 * jcamins_away leaves again. 00:44 melia I need help applying a patch. this page doesn't tell me what to do if the patch includes database schema changes: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 00:44 melia (and I'm not a developer, so I don't just know the answer) 00:51 melia no takers. ah well. I'm giving up for today! :) 01:40 wizzyrea @later tell melia http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_a_pushed_branch#Database_updates may help you with your query from yesterday. :) 01:40 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 02:41 Brooke o/ 03:15 druthb o/ 03:37 AmitG heya bag :d 03:37 AmitG Good morning koha :D 03:37 AmitG mtj around ? 04:46 kmkale Namaskaar #koha 05:08 cait good morning #koha 05:21 kmkale Namaste cait :) 05:23 kmkale @seen jransom 05:23 huginn` kmkale: jransom was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 22 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <jransom> im off folks - meetings to get to 05:24 cait hi kmkale 05:25 kmkale cait can I interest you in signing off on bug 6843? 05:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date 05:25 cait ah 05:25 kmkale simple stuff really 05:25 cait hasn't that be signed off already? 05:25 kmkale not that I know of 05:25 cait :) 05:26 cait last night 05:26 cait but there is a follow up for it 05:26 kmkale OOOOHHHH :) 05:26 cait I can check that 05:26 cait or you could :) 05:28 kmkale where is the follow up. I can only see Duncan's sign off 05:28 cait ah you are right 05:28 cait was looking at another bug 05:28 cait so he forgot to obsolete your patch :) 05:29 cait ah, I see your patch is missing the bug number in the subject line 05:30 kmkale No its not. [PATCH] [Bug 6843] Renew membership from expiry date or from current 05:30 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date 05:30 cait hm 05:31 kmkale but another sign-off won't hurt :-D 05:31 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6822 05:31 cait heh 05:31 cait I have a big list of thins for this morning, can't promise I will get to it 05:32 kmkale http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6781 05:33 cait werid 05:33 cait so he deleted it? 05:33 cait ah 05:33 cait perhaps becaues you put it in square brackets 05:33 kmkale Duncan's signed off patch does not have the bug number in the subject line. 05:33 cait it got deleted 05:33 kmkale is that waht happens? 05:33 cait it's a guess 05:33 cait but the other square bracket things are put in automatically 05:33 cait so perhaps 05:51 AmitG heya cait 05:52 cait hi AmitG 06:08 cait hi trea 06:08 cait can I ask you something as a native speaker? :) 06:08 trea go ahead 06:08 trea and hi 06:08 cait and why are you awake? 06:08 trea there's work to do 06:08 cait I am looking at the last touches for 5347 06:09 cait trea: not sure that's an excuse 06:09 cait we have 2 new columns there now: claims count and claimed date 06:09 trea hehe ok 06:09 cait on the page for late orders 06:09 cait claims count is the number of times you have sent out the mail 06:09 cait and claimed date the last time you sent one 06:10 cait I am not sure if the names are good 06:10 cait perhaps claim count and claim date? 06:10 cait or something else? 06:10 trea let me read over 5347. one moment. 06:10 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6661 06:10 cait there is a screenshot :) 06:11 trea who do the mail messages goto? the vendor? 06:11 cait yes 06:11 cait you are late with... sent it immediately 06:11 trea it being books/items/etc 06:12 cait yes 06:12 trea so it's a count of the number of times a message has been sent to a vendor 06:12 cait yep 06:12 trea and the message says "please send items immediately?" 06:12 cait or whatever you want 06:12 trea or what does it say 06:12 trea mmm 06:13 cait the template is ACQCLAIM and it's for orders that are late 06:13 trea aha. ok 06:13 trea then in that context those make sense 06:13 trea it's just not a process i'm familiar enough with 06:14 trea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requisition 06:14 trea ? 06:14 trea is requisition used elsewhere in koha? 06:15 trea because that's what this is. a written request for "something" 06:16 cait no 06:16 cait we have late orders and claims in koha 06:16 cait so claimed date and claims counter it is :) 06:17 trea glad i could help 06:17 cait I thik requisition is before you order 06:17 cait claiming is after 06:18 trea ah, good point 06:18 cait trea++ :) 06:55 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:55 cait morning magnuse :) 06:56 magnuse guten morgen cait 06:58 cait hmm 06:59 cait magnuse: can you take a look at 7247? 06:59 magnuse well, i can *look* at it 06:59 magnuse ;-) 06:59 cait I don't require more ) 06:59 cait the help now states 06:59 cait increase the amount of logging. Normally only 06:59 cait warnings and errors from the indexing are shown. 06:59 cait Use log level 2 (-vv) to include all Zebra logs. 06:59 cait but -vv does not work for me, only -v -v 06:59 cait and -v 07:00 cait so is this a failed qa? 07:02 magnuse it says -vv should work - id it does not i'd say that's a fail, yeah 07:03 cait ok 07:03 cait I was not sure if this is some syntax I don't know 07:04 magnuse i'm not very familiar with it either 07:04 magnuse it might be that "everyone" knows -vv means you have to write out -v -v 07:05 magnuse but then we should not make it look like you can do -vv - if it confuses us it will confuse others... 07:07 cait heh 07:07 cait I will add a note to the bug and people can disagree 07:07 cait thx :) 07:10 magnuse the docs i found says this about +: "The option does not take an argument and will be incremented by 1 every time it appears on the command line. E.g. "more+" , when used with --more --more --more, will increment the value three times, resulting in a value of 3 (provided it was 0 or undefined at first)." 07:10 magnuse doesn't say anything about short options... 07:11 cait now I am confused 07:11 cait even more than before :) 07:24 cait morgen mbalmer 07:24 mbalmer morgen! 07:30 AmitG heya alex_a, mabalmer 07:33 alex_a hi AmitG 07:33 alex_a hi cait 07:33 alex_a hi mbalmer 07:33 cait hi alex_a :) 07:33 cait alex_a: hope jonathan is not going to kill me 07:34 alex_a jonathan never did that i believe 07:35 cait never did that before you mean? :) 07:35 alex_a yes :) 07:35 alex_a in french we say: "never say never" in english too ? 07:35 alex_a :D 07:35 cait hehe 07:35 cait in German we say that too 07:35 cait sag niemals nie 07:37 alex_a cait: what is the problem ? 07:37 wahanui hmmm... the problem is its human beings doing it 07:38 cait I failed late order management again 07:38 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7355] Note subfields are not displayed in TEXTAREA if hidden <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7355> 07:38 cait broken diacritics in my mail 07:39 cait turns out I never picked a title with umlauts in my other tests 07:40 alex_a is it serious ? 07:41 cait alex_a: I think so 07:41 cait you only get ? where umluats should be, I think it will be similar for french accents 07:41 cait ok, bbiab 07:42 alex_a umluats ? 07:42 cait üäö 07:42 cait ÜÖÄ 07:42 alex_a ok 07:42 cait something wrong with the encoding 07:42 mbalmer Joachim is rocking my house…. 07:42 cait mbalmer: ? 07:43 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:43 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.8�C (8:39 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993.1 hPa (Falling). 07:43 cait oh, the storm is named Joachim? 07:43 mbalmer yep 07:43 cait not so much storm here, only rain... meh 07:43 cait have to walk to work 07:43 cait bye all 07:44 mbalmer it's now hitting switzerland, up to 140 km/h 07:44 alex_a not storm here either 07:44 alex_a :) 07:47 magnuse @wunder boo 07:47 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (8:20 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Rising). 07:47 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:47 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0�C (8:30 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 07:48 magnuse @wunder wellington, nz 07:48 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 07:48 magnuse hm 07:55 rangi sup dudes 07:56 * rangi may have been drinking since 1pm so im not signing anything off 07:56 magnuse hehe 07:57 magnuse and now it's 9 pm? 07:57 magnuse maybe write some patches instead, then? 07:58 mbalmer <rangi> I'm turning beer into code 07:58 rangi more_beer.pl 07:58 AmitG @wunder New Delhi 07:58 huginn` AmitG: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 19.0�C (1:00 PM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 07:58 AmitG @wunder Dehradun 07:58 huginn` AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 16.0�C (11:30 AM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa. 07:58 AmitG @wunder Shimla 07:58 huginn` AmitG: The current temperature in Shimla, India is 11.0�C (11:30 PM IST on November 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: (Falling). 07:58 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 07:59 magnuse rangi: would that be a script for the opac or the staff client? 07:59 AmitG @wunder Srinagar 07:59 huginn` AmitG: The current temperature in Srinagar, India is 4.0�C (11:30 AM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. 07:59 rangi hmm staff I think 07:59 magnuse heh, that's colder than bod�! 07:59 magnuse rangi: yay! 08:00 rangi @wunder wellington nz 08:00 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). 08:00 * rangi is on the bus on the way home 08:00 magnuse not the most amazing summer temperature i have heard of... 08:00 rangi yeah its rainy and yuck 08:01 rangi sposta be nice tomorrow 08:01 magnuse yay 08:01 magnuse better set your alarm for nice and early then! 08:02 rangi heh 08:02 rangi no need for alarm 08:02 rangi I have children 08:02 magnuse well, how about if you woke them up for a change? 08:02 rangi Hehe 08:03 reiveune hello 08:03 magnuse bonjour reiveune 08:05 reiveune Bonjour magnuse, everybody 08:06 paul_p good morning world 08:06 magnuse kia ora paul_p 08:08 mbalmer #koha wakes up ;) 08:12 magnuse wow, 167 people with code in koha 08:12 magnuse community++ 08:14 AmitG heya reiveune 08:14 wahanui reiveune is working for biblibre 08:14 AmitG gaten around ? 08:14 reiveune hi AmitG 08:14 mbalmer when I work on a feature, which will probably take a substantial time (3-6 months), I create a branch. Should I also create a "Bug" for it, although it will likely produce many, many diffs? 08:14 francharb hello 08:14 alex_a wahanui knows too many things 08:14 wahanui alex_a: sorry... 08:14 mbalmer or this there a different process? 08:15 magnuse mbalmer: yes, create a bug, that way people can see you are working on it 08:15 AmitG reiveune: whr is gaten? 08:15 mbalmer magnuse, ok. 08:15 magnuse mbalmer: you don't have to attach patches before they are ready, though 08:16 mbalmer ok. 08:16 reiveune AmitG: I don't know, I'm in France 08:16 magnuse mbalmer: what some people do is point to a git repo from the bug report, and say i'm publishing my work here every now and then, so people can have a look if they want 08:16 mbalmer ah yes, I could git push to github or so 08:17 mbalmer well, before I start, I need to install my system from source, removing the debian packages first 08:17 magnuse mbalmer: if it's something non-trivial it's also considered nice to put an RFC on the wiki, with a description of what you are doing 08:17 mbalmer yes, I will need that anyways, to log about the progress 08:18 magnuse good thinking ;-) 08:18 mbalmer biggest problem though is still my knowledge of perl (or rather lack thereof) 08:18 magnuse practice makes perfect! ;-) 08:19 magnuse what are going to work on? 08:19 mbalmer pgsql 08:19 magnuse ah 08:19 magnuse others will have opinions on that, so an RFC will be very good 08:20 mbalmer yes, some already statet opinions here. 08:20 magnuse ah, cool 08:20 mbalmer which are not necessary coherent with my ideas, though :> 08:20 mbalmer but time will tell 08:20 magnuse will you add pgsql in parallell to mysql or use an abstraction layer? 08:21 mbalmer right now I have tendency towards "parallel mode" 08:22 magnuse ah yes, people will have opinions on that ;-) 08:23 mbalmer mysql and pgsql _ARE_ different, so a common abstraction layer brings the danger of it being the least common denominator, not taking advantage of either feature set. 08:23 magnuse sure 08:23 mbalmer so I think it is better to have two interfaces in parallel, each one optimized, and only then see if the can be abstracted. 08:24 kf meeh 08:24 kf light rain 08:24 kf bah. 08:24 kf underground passage (rails) was flooded - I am soaked. 08:24 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:24 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.1�C (9:20 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.29 in 991.8 hPa (Falling). 08:24 magnuse ouch! 08:24 magnuse almost sounds like a monday... 08:24 mbalmer an abstraction layer should only come when there are actually at least two things to abstract from, it should not be starting point. though a clear API could be a "middle ground" 08:25 kf magnuse: worse than a monday 08:25 AmitG heya kf :D 08:25 magnuse mbalmer: that sounds like an argument - i do not have very strong opinions on it myself... ;-) 08:26 magnuse kf: ouch! 08:26 kf glad I had sweat pants from gymnastics at work and got socks from a coworker 08:26 kf but meh! 08:27 AmitG chris_n around? 08:27 kf AmitG: he is in the US - too early 08:27 gaetan_B hello 08:27 wahanui salut, gaetan_B 08:27 gaetan_B :) 08:28 kf hi gaetan_B 08:33 alex_a kf, very good news: jonathan just said he will not kill you ;) 08:33 asaurat he'll only maim you 08:33 asaurat hi kf ! :D 08:34 kf alex_a: YAY! :) 08:34 kf hi asaurat 08:34 kf alex_a: did he opt for poisoning me next time we meet? 08:34 kf oh 08:34 kf maiming... not nice 08:35 asaurat =) no, he actually said he was a pacifist, so no need to worry I guess ;) 08:35 alex_a kf: lol 08:35 kf asaurat: I might change that... 08:37 kf but yay for now :) 08:42 sophie_m hello #koha 08:46 kf hi sophie_m 08:53 mbalmer is 'C4/Auth_cas_servers.yaml.orig' a mistake? i.e. why the '.orig' suffix? 08:58 kf I think you might be supposed to copy the file? not sure. 08:58 kf we are not using CAS 08:58 mbalmer couldn't that be a leftover from applying a patch? 08:59 kf i think asking someone from biblibre will help 09:00 kf fredericd: around? 09:04 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6755] Problems with switching languages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755> 09:06 mbalmer got myself "Learning Perl, 6th Edition" for $4.99 09:15 kf not sure which edition I have 09:15 kf still have 2 chapters to read.. 09:16 mbalmer I looked up the ISBN at amazon, registered as print book at o'reilly, then upgraded to the ebook for 5$ (you can upgrade any book you registered for 5$) 09:19 mbalmer paul_p? 09:19 wahanui paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee. 09:19 paul_p mbalmer, yep 09:20 mbalmer wrt ot your comment, I guess it happened because I used diff and patch directly on my repo (nit got diff etc.) 09:20 mbalmer so I somehow got the stuff screwed up. 09:20 mbalmer beginners mistake, I guess. 09:20 paul_p you're probably right. 09:20 paul_p mbalmer, do you know git bz ? 09:21 paul_p (the handiest tool I've seen with git !!!) 09:21 mbalmer it has been mentioned to me and it is on my list to try out. 09:21 AmitG heya paul_p 09:21 paul_p hi AmitG 09:21 kf paul_p: so simple, so much fun :) 09:21 mbalmer right now U have to brush up my Perl a bit (I am usually a C/kernel hacker) 09:22 mbalmer s/U/I/ 09:22 kf we also have js, html, template toolkit and xslt ... more fun! :) 09:22 mbalmer these are no problem. 09:23 mbalmer it's really only perl. 09:27 kf paul_p: perhaps we should fix the patch - revert and mbalmer could sign off the original? 09:28 paul_p kf, for a so small patch, it's not worth it. 09:29 kf I am not sure I agree 09:29 paul_p kf, why ? 09:29 kf mbalmer has some patches waiting for sign-off - so I think it will not change the history.txt 09:29 kf but still it's fredericd's patch 09:29 kf and wrong history 09:45 mbalmer a bit much work for two lines of code, don't you think? but then it's up to you of course. 09:47 kf rm decides really, and if fredericd had a problem with it 09:54 francharb anyone knows what biblioitems.cn_* are meant for? 09:55 francharb are there info that populate automatically those field like items.cn_sort? 09:57 bigbrovar Timezone appropriate greetings guys :) 09:58 kf francharb: yes 09:58 kf francharb: it's a sortable form of the callnumber 09:58 kf francharb: and it's populated according to what you set as classification source and uses the filing rule specified in adminsitration > classiciation source and filing rules 09:59 francharb in biblioitems too? 09:59 kf oh 09:59 kf sorry, misread 09:59 kf not sure the fields there are in use 09:59 kf but it probably once was the same ideaß 09:59 kf ? 09:59 francharb i guess 10:00 francharb thanls kf 10:15 francharb kf, i found that in C4 : 10:15 francharb GetClassSort 10:15 francharb my $cn_sort = GetClassSort($cn_source, $cn_class, $cn_item); 10:15 francharb so i guess 10:15 francharb biblioitems 10:15 francharb cn_sort 10:15 francharb is populated 10:15 francharb the "same" way 10:16 francharb than items.cn_sort 10:16 francharb it's based on info within cn_source, cn_class and cn_item in biblioitems 10:16 francharb my2cts ;) 10:17 kf :) 11:42 syed hi all, 11:48 syed I have mapped 952$p with unique serial of barcode for circulation (e.g. LIB1000101, LIB1000102, LIB1000102) ... I also have Accession no. (e.g. 254123, 19982, 05241) please guide me what field I'll use for accession no. mapping (as i already have a 952$p for serial barcode) 12:10 kf hi syed 12:10 kf are you still here? 12:11 syed yes kf: 12:11 kf 952$i 12:11 kf inventory number = accesscion number 12:11 kf I was going to answer you on the mailing list right now 12:11 kf depends on your version, I think it's available since 3.4 12:11 syed so the librarian will use 952$i for internal item search 12:11 kf hm 12:11 syed i have 3.2 12:12 kf ah 12:12 kf 3.2 is more difficult 12:12 syed :( 12:12 kf there is no field dedicated to accession numbers in 3.2 12:12 kf that was intruduced later 12:12 kf you could add 953$i to your framework without a mapping to items - but it will not be searchable 12:13 syed Ooo... 12:13 kf if you want it to be searchable you might have to reuse the internal note or another field that already is searchable or create a search index 12:14 syed Ok.... 12:14 syed thanks for your guidance kf: 12:15 syed let me try 1st to find any searchable field in my existing koha version 12:19 mbalmer already found a few MySQLisms that do not exist in PostgreSQL. But so far nothing that could not be made to work. 12:27 jcamins_away paul_p: around? 12:40 jcamins_away paul_p: never mind, I'll be back later. I just remembered I have fudge to wrap. 12:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 575 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:42 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7319 - Improving title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a87f15605b23c44a8dac71cd4a3f209add98556> / Bug 7324: Show alternate email as mailto: / hide labels when field is empty <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52dca0f4337b83bff4ff2de457f21b8b7ab70134> 12:43 chris_n @later tell AmitG just leave me a message via pm or @later or email 12:43 huginn` chris_n: The operation succeeded. 12:46 mbalmer make Koha run on PostgreSQL will actually be not that hard, imo. 12:48 mbalmer and it could actually benefit a great deal from pg features. 12:54 mbalmer_ crap. power outage due to heavy storm... 12:55 kf raining heavily here :( 12:55 kf but no storm so far 12:59 mbalmer wow, locking on the table level, not seen that for a long time (I wonder what kind of dope the developer smoked ;) 13:01 mbalmer wow, MySQL is such a piece of sh**** 13:02 paul_p mbalmer, you should not forget that Koha is 11 years old and some things where written with tools that were also 11 years old (dunno in this case but maybe there was only table locking at this time) 13:02 paul_p what I remember for sure is that we hadn't innoDB as an option, we had to cope with myISAM 13:02 paul_p (which is really poor) 13:03 mbalmer paul_p, not blaming anyone here, I am just mumbling will going through each and every file... 13:04 mbalmer If I blame anything, then MySQL in general ,) 13:12 sekjal morning, #koha 13:13 kmkale Namaste sekjal :) 13:14 jcamins_away sekjal: the hard part for user-configurable display is field order. 13:14 jcamins_away Choosing what to display and what not to display is easy. 13:14 sekjal ISBD view seems to handle order just fine 13:14 jcamins_away It could even be customized on a record-by-record level like in Millennium. 13:14 sekjal oh geeze 13:14 jcamins_away sekjal: I meant with XSLT. 13:15 sekjal jcamins_away: right. 13:15 sekjal it wouldn't just be a matter of "turn this field on" 13:15 sekjal there would need to be the structural component as well 13:15 jcamins_away With XSLT? Sure it would. 13:15 jcamins_away Ah. You mean for ordering. Yes, that's what I was getting at. 13:16 * sekjal has only had the one cup of coffee 13:16 * jcamins_away has untouched coffee. Perhaps he'd better have some. 13:16 sekjal Namaste, kmkale 13:18 * jcamins_away just wanted to share that thought, and should go get ready and head into the city. 13:19 sekjal I'm taking off in about 15 min for day 3 of training for a new library coop in New Hampshire 13:20 sekjal aside from getting their data out of their legacy systems, biggest issue as this point seems to be how to handle ILL 13:20 sekjal they really want to give each ILL library 3 patron records in their system (one belonging to each library) 13:21 oleonard Hi #koha 13:21 sekjal hi, oleonard 13:25 kmkale sekjal: interesting. Your plan? 13:26 sekjal kmkale: I really want them to use a single record for each ILL library. It doesn't make sense to me to have multiple records for the same entity 13:26 kmkale sekjal: and handle everything with circ rules? 13:26 sekjal kmkale: yes 13:27 kmkale sekjal: so the challlenge is convincing them? 13:27 sekjal they're going to apply as consistent a set of rules across the three libraries as possible 13:27 sekjal yes 13:27 sekjal they're concerned about overdue notices to those ILL libraries 13:27 sekjal they want to be sure the notice is coming from the right branch 13:28 kmkale aah. Can our notices do that? 13:28 sekjal I think so 13:28 sekjal I'm reading the overdue_notices.pl code right now 13:28 sekjal it looks like, if there are branch-specific overdue rules, the system will split overdue notices up between branches 13:28 kmkale so the from address gets inserted from the librarian's email for each branch? 13:28 sekjal so if a patron has overdues at 3 different branches, they'll get three different emails 13:29 paul_p sekjal, I think you're right 13:29 sekjal hi, paul_p! 13:29 paul_p (and, for some libraries, that's the expected behaviour, as they'll remind in the mail their opening hours, for example) 13:29 paul_p good morning sekjal ! 13:30 kmkale Namaste paul_p :) 13:30 paul_p bonsoir koustubha 13:30 sekjal while I was mucking about with telephone overdue notices, I wrote a new SQL query that I think may help simplify overdue_notices.pl 13:30 * kmkale wonders how to pronounce that 13:31 sekjal with a single query, I can get all the issue information, as well as the overdue rule to use (factoring in default values, and triggers) 13:32 pastebot "sekjal" at 67.90.214.2 pasted "SQL to get overdue issues that should receive notification today" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/159 13:34 mbalmer sekjal, can you do that without TO_DAYS? 13:35 sekjal mbalmer: not sure... perhaps with a date_diff? 13:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #575: SUCCESS in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/575/ 13:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7324: Show alternate email as mailto: / hide labels when field is empty 13:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7319 - Improving title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages 13:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7324 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Show alternate email as mailto link on patron summary 13:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7319 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Improve specificity of title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages 13:35 mbalmer it would be nice to find a way that works with other DBs, too. 13:35 mbalmer since I am now working on PostgreSQL support, I oppose by nature to anything that work with MySQL only ;) 13:36 sekjal mbalmer: good point. if we can find a univerally-supported (or at least Postgres supported) function to replace TO_DAYS queries, we can apply that throughout the system 13:37 sekjal TO_DAYS is 6 files currently, mostly as relates to overdues 13:37 mbalmer well, given that MySQL doesn't even check dates…. (you can store completely illegal values).. 13:37 schuster sekjal and all - regarding overdues etc... we have not been printing/emailing them, but do they include fines as well as overdues? 13:38 kf sekjal: just started reading back - we are thinking about ILL too. My idea was having a separate branch and perhaps have a branchtype - to mark functional branches. I think something like that was existant in early versions of Koha 13:38 mbalmer I am currently going each and every file to find MySQLisms, then I can think about how to make it Pg/MySQL "compliant" 13:38 sekjal mbalmer: godspeed to you on that! 13:38 sekjal DB_indepedence++ 13:38 mbalmer one easy way would be to provde a set of function to provide those MySQL only functions to PostgreSQL. 13:39 sekjal misspelling_words_early_in_the_morning-- 13:39 schuster ILL discussion - how is the "Fullfillment" project at Equinox coming along? I have not looked in on that for awhile. 13:39 sekjal schuster: haven't heard, myself 13:39 mbalmer sekjal, I will soon open a bug to keep track of the efforts. Bug title: "Koha uses MySQL" ;) 13:39 oleonard schuster: I have an offer in to help test the Koha connector and I've gotten an initial response, but nothing further yet 13:40 schuster So can anyone tell me if the "notices" actually looks at account lines to include those into notices? 13:40 * oleonard isn't even sure yet how Fulfillment talks to Koha 13:40 kf schuster: it's possible 13:40 kf for overdue fines 13:40 sekjal kf: I'll let you know what we brainstorm today, and maybe it'll be of use for ILL best practices 13:40 kf not general fines 13:40 schuster oleonard - that is good news kind of... wonders about poking gmcharlt to see if he can shed any light. 13:40 sekjal or worse practices, if things go poorly 13:41 sekjal anwyay, time to dash 13:41 sekjal cheers, all! 13:41 kf sekjal: talked to chris, he said the group functionality for branches was once used to do that 13:41 kf sekjal: my main concern was hiding my ill library from the opac pull downs 13:41 schuster A wiki page on ILL probably wouldn't hurt. 13:41 kf sekjal: I am going to load all ill patrons from our union catalog system... and I don't want to blow up patron search for one or more of the circulating branches 13:42 kf schuster: there is one and a new bug 13:42 kf schuster: but about your fine problem :) 13:42 sekjal kf: ok. more later, then! 13:42 kf schuster: you can use a special syntax in your ODUE template 13:42 schuster kf - ah - I don't do ILL the traditional public library way as we are a school district... 13:42 kf schuster: <item> <fine></fine></item> 13:43 schuster kf - interesting - yes I have seen that, but will it pull if they just have a fine and no overdue too? 13:43 kf no 13:43 schuster drat. 13:43 kf only F and FU fines 13:43 kf which means 13:43 kf book must still be checked out 13:43 kf and has fines related to it 13:44 kf I would like to see a new placeholder for a total value 13:44 schuster oleonard - do you all charge fines? 13:44 kf total fines overdue and fines total 13:44 oleonard schuster: No 13:44 schuster Overdues are the bain of my existence... 13:45 maximep do I really need to run misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl after an update from 3.2 to 3.6 ? 13:45 schuster oleonard - if someone lost a book so you send it to lost, how do you notify them how much they owe? or??? 13:46 oleonard We debar patrons who have overdues older than a certain number of days. We send out notices about those overdues (email and postcard) 13:46 oleonard After that we hope that their desire to use the library convinces them they should pay to replace anything they've really lost and can't return 13:47 schuster At some point I would like to look into a way to generate overdues/fines on the fly for schools based on an sql kind of like using overdue.pl and then a button on the screen that would say generate notice. We don't have emails for our kids "yet" so we have to do paper and when we see them once a week it is easier to hand it out when they come in. 13:48 schuster It is end of semester so when we come back from school they secondary are going to want to post ID's to students with "concerns" in the library that need to be taken care of. Currently we run Overdue.pl and then a "borrowers who owe money" report and merge them. I'd like to automate that some. 13:49 schuster back from school/back to school 13:49 schuster surprised actually I have not had calls about generating that report already. 13:51 schuster oleonard - do you dump borrowers inactive ever? 13:52 oleonard We never have 13:52 schuster We are going to drop fines next year so fines won't be as big a deal. Just notification of Lost charges will become a concern. 13:53 oleonard it's different for a school since your population disappears. We can hold out hope someone will return some day 13:54 schuster Yeah after 2 years of inactivity we are starting to drop them - give them a little amnesty and hope they will come back and use the public library at least! Often when they move levels I encourage the librarians to clear all records and give the kid a fresh start... Trying to keep them as library users. 14:03 kf maximep: yes, if you have data in it you have to 14:04 kf maximep: it's stripping the items out of your marcxml blobs 14:05 magnuse schuster: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Inter_Library_Loan and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ILL_RFC 14:05 maximep everything seems to work without it 14:05 oleonard kf: Was it you who was pointing out a useful feature of Template:Toolkit that we weren't taking advantage of? 14:05 kf there is a reason for the script 14:05 * oleonard is trying to remember what it was 14:05 kf paul send a mail to the list, did you mean that? 14:06 magnuse oleonard: there was some talk about caching? 14:06 kf teh one about caching? 14:06 * oleonard doesn't think that was it 14:06 kf I think i showed you the dump thing for debugging 14:06 kf and we talked about filters once 14:06 kf oleonard: I was thinking that it would be nice to rewrite some of the templates... 14:06 kf like members 14:07 kf we do a lot of things with lots of boolean values and it's overcomplicating things and osme things are really bad for translation 14:07 oleonard We do have a lot of extra logic that can be simplified now 14:07 oleonard lots of [ IF ][ IF ][ IF ]... 14:07 kf yes 14:07 kf it's horrible 14:08 magnuse yeah, i think going through the templates and thinking about translations would be really good 14:08 kf sorry, have to eat cake... will be back:) 14:08 * oleonard has started to make minor simplifications where possible 14:08 magnuse oleonard++ 14:09 oleonard QA'ers have been very forgiving of my "this bug requires a one-character fix but let me change all this too" patches 14:13 magnuse hehe 14:20 paul_p oleonard, ;-) 14:23 maximep broke a production koha by updating from 3.2 to 3.6 last night. fun times :( 14:24 magnuse how did it break? 14:30 kf maximep: you didn#t run the script? 14:30 maximep forgot 1 step 14:30 maximep cpan Template 14:30 maximep -_- 14:30 maximep always helps 14:30 francharb kf 14:31 maximep works fine without running the script 14:31 francharb do you know when is items.cn_sort used? 14:31 francharb when we have a no zebra install? 14:32 francharb because zebra can manage the call number sorting right? 14:36 kf maximep: I am really worreid that you didn't run it 14:36 kf maximep: you probably still have item information in your marcxml blobs 14:36 kf that's not good 14:36 maximep running it this night. Takes way too much cpu to run it on prod 14:36 oleonard francharb: I see cn_sort used in places like overdues, the shelf browser, the holds queue 14:37 oleonard ...places where we don't use Zebra it looks like. 14:37 kf francharb: no, it's a general thing 14:37 maximep aaaaaaaaaaaah cn_sort. My life would be easier if everyone just used lcc 14:37 kf francharb: the problem is that alphabetic sorting does not work for callnumbers, because they are not made to be sortable by machines... 14:37 francharb maximeop++ 14:37 kf francharb: so the sortable form inserts spaces and things to make them sortable correctly 14:38 kf maximep: you don't have tot ell me.... here every library thinks it's funny to invent their own classification source... 14:38 kf / classification 14:39 kf so I end up using 'z' a lot and hoping for the best with generic 14:39 magnuse well, if that isn't funny, i don't know *what* is... ;-) 14:39 kf hpf 14:40 francharb kf, do you work with unimarc or marc21 records? 14:40 francharb kf, what is the difference between Classification sources and classification filing rules? 14:41 francharb it's only classification source 14:41 francharb that library use 14:41 francharb when cataloging 14:41 francharb right? 14:41 francharb filing rules is somethinf for koha 14:42 francharb to know how to normalize call numbre 14:50 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 14:50 magnuse hiya jcamins 14:52 kf ah sorry 14:52 kf got distracted 14:52 kf francharb: marc21 14:53 francharb thanks 14:53 kf yes, you link filing rules to the classification sources under adminsitration 14:53 kf so the library selects what kind of classification the callnumber is 14:53 kf and the system generates a sortable form for it in cn_source 14:53 kf using the filing rule 14:54 francharb thanks! 14:56 * jcamins puts a plate of fudge out for #koha. 14:56 kf yum! 14:56 kf jcamins++ :) 14:58 magnuse yay 14:58 oleonard http://www.screencast.com/t/Mb1Ugg7szemV Missing anything? 14:58 oleonard The (none) option is a little awkward but I didn't know how to make it sound better 14:59 kf you could do 15:00 kf show (no/firstname....) of commenter... 15:00 kf no name 15:00 kf perhaps? 15:00 kf not sure if that sounds weird 15:03 oleonard http://www.screencast.com/t/oCWaTwEvId 15:03 kf so not too weird? ) 15:03 kf :) 15:03 kf oleonard++ for tackling that 15:03 kf also a lot easier with tt I guess? 15:04 magnuse oleonard++ 15:04 wizzyrea oo, oleonard++ 15:04 mbalmer this storm is still strong, already two derailed trains... 15:04 kf mbalmer: have not checked the news yet :( it's been raining here all day 15:04 oleonard I'm not sure it makes sense to just show first name or just show last name, but I guess it doesn't hurt to offer the choice 15:04 kf I expect some more flodding 15:04 kf flooding 15:05 kf oleonard: data privacy... we will only be using 'no name' I guess... 15:05 kf pity. 15:06 chris_n heya kf, oleonard, everyone 15:06 magnuse next step (enh) might be to let the patron choose for him/her self? 15:06 oleonard Even username would not be allowed kf? 15:06 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1ec82845372cd888021220f056d465e9e65f4f2> / Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ae23cd6cf97ffbab6080f255e942f2ba73dcd07> / Bug 7282 - invalid language selection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=co 15:07 kf oleonard: the system fills that with firstname.surname automatically... 15:08 kf and most other usernames we have make not much sense to show 15:08 mbalmer 175 km/h, not bad... 15:12 jenkins_koha Starting build 576 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:14 * jcamins wonders idly whether Template::Toolkit has a taint mode that allows one to securely use a template entered by the user. 15:15 wizzyrea jcamins: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=224782 15:15 wizzyrea possibly 15:15 wizzyrea there are plugins for it 15:15 wizzyrea proof of concept I guess. 15:17 jcamins Hm, but that still assumes the *template* is safe, doesn't it? 15:19 wizzyrea i'm not sure really 15:19 jcamins Great... my bank appears to have suffered a massive online banking failure. 15:19 wizzyrea o no 15:20 jcamins I can't log in, and when I called customer service, the automated attendant recommended calling back later. 15:20 kf meh 15:20 kf <th title="Framework <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="frameworkcode" --> als Tabelle (.csv, .xml, .ods) oder SQL-Datei (Felder und Unterfelder) importieren">Import</th> 15:20 kf what's wrong here? 15:20 kf :P 15:20 oleonard jcamins: Huge holiday party today at the bank 15:20 jcamins kf: why are you still using H::T::P? 15:20 kf hmpf 15:20 kf I am not 15:20 wizzyrea maybe that's what's wrong. 15:20 kf something in my templates is wrong 15:20 jcamins oleonard: heh. 15:21 kf wizzyrea: rhetoric question 15:21 wizzyrea oh, gotya 15:21 * jcamins crosses his bank off his gift list. 15:21 jcamins No fudge for them. 15:21 kf lol 15:21 kf that's worse then 'no cookie for you' 15:22 kf than even 15:25 magnuse ooh, ELAG in Palma de Mallorca http://www.elag.org/ 15:27 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7361 Fix default option in encoding dropdown <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=86d6e6d3de0a8d935802abe843f7ec407af1c759> / Bug 7349: corrects sort order for Patron search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1de55f6f088f174431896d33fbe6d94152921758> 15:29 rhcl_away mbalmer: OK, I'm a bit curious. What is <traveling at> 175 km/h? 15:30 mbalmer the wind in switzerland, storm "Joachim" is hitting us badly 15:45 rhcl 108MPH? I had no idea Switzerland ever had such wind speeds. 15:48 rhcl I thought you might have meant the trains. 15:49 maximep bug 6943 :( 15:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6943 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget 15:52 oleonard With ShowReviewer pref set to "no name" http://screencast.com/t/ymbdSfzt 15:53 wizzyrea still traceable by avatar? 15:53 wizzyrea but you can turn it off so meh. 15:53 magnuse oleonard++ 15:53 oleonard Only because I'm logged in and that's my comment wizzyrea 15:53 wizzyrea I like it 15:53 wizzyrea cool 15:53 magnuse very cool 15:54 jcamins oleonard: great comment! 15:54 wizzyrea hehe 15:55 * magnuse giggled 15:56 magnuse Koha Christmas Party in 1 weeks time? 15:56 oleonard I'm off. Will be back if the library I'm going to hasn't blocked IRC & git ports in the firewall :| 15:57 wizzyrea yep, that's the idea! 15:57 * wizzyrea is not sure how to coordinate a worldwide party, but I'm sure gonna try. 15:57 magnuse yay 15:59 wizzyrea this will sound crazy - what about something like a digital gift exchange? Where we find digital things (articles, videos, music, games) that we think each other would like, wrap them in tinyurls, and give them as presents? 16:00 wizzyrea (I told you it was crazy) 16:00 magnuse crazy and cool! 16:00 wizzyrea kind of a "I think you would like this" kind of thing 16:01 magnuse person-to-person or "i think y'all would like this"? both, maybe... 16:01 wizzyrea well I was thinking person to person but certainly there are things out there we all like 16:01 magnuse like koha! 16:02 wizzyrea :D 16:02 wizzyrea well that is the gift that just keeps on giving ;) 16:02 magnuse http://tinyurl.com/y879ptq 16:02 wizzyrea hehe! 16:04 jcamins curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies? 16:04 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7363] Downloading a list in CSV format doesn't work <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7363> 16:04 jcamins wahanui: curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2009/05/curry-coconut-oatmeal-chocolate-chip-cookies/ 16:04 wahanui OK, jcamins. 16:04 * jcamins gives an early gift. 16:04 jcamins :) 16:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #576: UNSTABLE in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/576/ 16:05 jenkins_koha * semarie-koha: Bug 7282 - invalid language selection 16:05 jenkins_koha * duncan: Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm 16:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7282 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, semarie-koha, ASSIGNED , invalid language selection 16:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules 16:05 jenkins_koha Starting build 577 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #575 3 h 23 mn ago) 16:05 kf maximep: why looking so sad? 16:05 kf hard to fix? 16:05 maximep last comment 16:05 jcamins kf: duplicated work. 16:06 magnuse UNSTABLE? run to the hills! 16:06 maximep worked on this in june, coudlnt send it before september 16:06 kf sorry, didn't check the comments 16:06 kf was configuring a new koha installation :) 16:06 maximep and now they duplicated my work :/ 16:06 jcamins new_koha_installations++ 16:07 * wizzyrea mutters about jenkins 16:07 wizzyrea oh, I bet the test is using a card number that doesn't exist in the sample data 16:08 kf maximep: not your fault, I am not sure the spec or another bug for this exists... 16:08 kf I commented 16:08 * wizzyrea will take a look 16:08 kf communication is always teh problem :( 16:08 jcamins It is. :( 16:09 chris_n unstable? no wonder the bells and whistles were going off on my computer :-) 16:09 * jcamins mutters dire imprecations at authority matching. 16:10 kf jcamins: east some of your fudge? 16:10 jcamins I don't have any with me. 16:12 wizzyrea possibly that unstable is caused by the jenkins db 16:14 wizzyrea i'm about to find out 16:14 wizzyrea yea, it passes with my test DB 16:14 wizzyrea with the sample data 16:14 magnuse yay 16:14 wizzyrea at least SIP_ILS.t passes. 16:14 paul_p wizzyrea, it also passes with my test DB 16:15 paul_p (good morning) 16:15 wizzyrea cool - I bet that jenkins db doesn't have the test patrons 16:15 wizzyrea from the sample data 16:15 paul_p probably. we should ask chris to know why 16:15 wizzyrea *nod* 16:15 paul_p you drop him a mail ? 16:15 wizzyrea yepper 16:20 kf ok, time to leave.. 16:21 wizzyrea bye! 16:21 kf hopefully I will not get blown away by the storm 16:21 kf have anice weekend all :) 16:21 wizzyrea that would be bad. 16:21 wizzyrea ttyl :D 16:21 kf optimism! :) 16:21 magnuse see ya kf 16:23 jcamins @later tell cait Maybe the storm could blow you to the big supermarket where you can find raspberry liqueur then blow you home, so you don't have to walk. :) 16:23 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 16:27 jcamins wizzyrea: you know that you can mark an attachment obsolete by using git-bz -e right? 16:27 wizzyrea noo, I did not know that 16:27 wizzyrea what's the exact syntax? 16:27 jcamins Yeah, kf showed me. 16:27 jcamins git-bz -e 1633 HEAD 16:27 wizzyrea that is not in the docs 16:27 jcamins It brings up the message for editing. 16:28 jcamins Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see lines you can uncomment for "Obsoletes attachment whatever" 16:28 jcamins You have to be pretty quick, though. 16:28 wizzyrea so you still have to know what the attachment #is 16:29 jcamins It'll say something like "Attachment #1234 - Only show Images tab when appropriate" 16:29 huginn` 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=1234&action=edit patch, bugfix, 0001--bug-3356-fix-search-in-order-receive.patch 16:29 jcamins Whatever the description in Bugzilla is. 16:29 wizzyrea hmm 16:30 wizzyrea 6473 is the test bug, btw bug 6473 16:30 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, REOPENED , Test bug for Git-bz 16:30 * magnuse didn't know huginn knew about attachments 16:30 * wizzyrea will investigate this 16:30 wizzyrea thanks for pointing that out 16:30 jcamins You're welcome. 16:30 wizzyrea bc I think really the problem is forgetfulness 16:30 jcamins cait++ # for explaining how to do it. 16:30 wizzyrea and if you can do it through git bz then there's no excuse to forget 16:31 jcamins Right. 16:31 wizzyrea hm 16:31 wizzyrea doing that on mine 16:32 wizzyrea liz@koha-deb:~/kohaclone$ git bz -e 6473 16:32 wizzyrea Usage: git bz [add-url|apply|attach|edit|file|push] [options] 16:32 wizzyrea I also tried it with HEAD at the end 16:32 jcamins git-bz -e attach 1633 HEAD 16:32 jcamins No, attach -e 16:32 jcamins Sorry. 16:32 jcamins I always get a bit confused. 16:33 jcamins git bz edit 6473 may allow you to do it from the commandline, too. Not sure exactly what edit is for. 16:35 wizzyrea ok yea I see it now 16:40 wizzyrea I still can't get that to work 16:40 * chris_n hands wizzrea a bigger hammer 16:40 * wizzyrea grabs it and it falls down "geeze, that's a big hammer!" 16:42 wizzyrea oh it's just very titchy. 16:43 reiveune bye 16:43 wizzyrea ok yea - here you can see my machinations 16:43 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473 16:43 huginn` 04Bug 6473: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, REOPENED , Test bug for Git-bz 16:44 * wizzyrea will add that to the git bz wiki, handy 16:44 magnuse wizzyrea++ 16:46 wizzyrea oy how can we up that timeout 16:46 wizzyrea that's annoying. 16:46 jcamins wizzyrea: no idea, but probably it would involve editing the code. 16:47 magnuse yeah, that timeout is not good! 16:49 cait I am home! 16:50 * magnuse wanders off, but might be back later 16:50 chris_n bring some chocolate back with you magnus_afk 16:51 cait oh yes 16:51 cait chocolate! 16:51 wahanui hmmm... chocolate is finite, we ate it all :) 16:51 cait :) 16:52 * chris_n thinks wahanui must be very ill then 16:52 jcamins chris_n: and I think I'll have to start making fudge all over again! 16:53 cait oh why? 16:53 jcamins cait: 'cause wahanui ate it all. 16:53 cait h imelia 16:53 cait ah, only the chocolate 16:53 cait not the fudge 16:53 jcamins There's chocolate in the fudge. 16:54 chris_n unless you fudge and uses a substitute ;-) 16:54 chris_n englishism warning 16:54 cait lol 16:54 jcamins lol 16:54 * cait made fudge without chocolate 16:55 jcamins O.O 16:55 jcamins :-O 16:55 cait there are lots of recipes for that? 16:55 chris_n ooo... lunch time 16:55 jcamins 8-O 16:55 cait caramelly fudge 16:55 wizzyrea white chocolate fudge 16:55 wizzyrea well, that's still got chocolate 16:55 * jcamins is scandalized. 16:55 cait I am sorry 16:55 jcamins See? 16:55 * wizzyrea giggles 16:55 jcamins cait: it's okay. 16:55 jcamins We forgive you. 16:55 cait I tried your chocolate fudge recipe but it didn't work for me... so I tried something else 16:55 * cait hides 16:55 jcamins :) 16:55 chris_n did you use a copper bowl? 16:56 cait no 16:56 chris_n and a marble slab 16:56 * chris_n quotes fudge lore 16:56 chris_n ok, lunchtime for real now 16:57 jcamins cait: it can take a few tries to get the fudge down to a science. 16:58 cait so many things to learn 16:58 jcamins cait: I don't use a copper bowl or a marble slab. 16:58 * cait is relieved 16:58 jcamins cait: if I had those I would, though. 16:58 jcamins One day we will put marble countertops in. 16:58 jcamins It will be glorious. 16:58 cait heh 16:59 jcamins And a tandoor. 16:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #577: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/577/ 16:59 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7349: corrects sort order for Patron search 16:59 jenkins_koha * duncan: Bug 7361 Fix default option in encoding dropdown 16:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7349 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , Sorting patron search result by cardnumber doesn't work 16:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7361 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, duncan, ASSIGNED , 'Default' encoding in staged marc import breaks diacritics 16:59 jcamins It will be doubly glorious. 17:01 maximep yay for 7361 17:01 jcamins duncan++ 17:02 cait yep 17:02 cait that was annoying 17:02 jcamins It was. 17:02 jcamins However, I didn't want to just willy nilly change the behavior of the tool because I didn't like that. 17:03 cait jcamins: you already made it a lot better 17:03 cait :) 17:03 jcamins cait: I know. It at least worked sometimes after my fix. ;) 17:03 cait and now it's better again 17:03 cait ... we ar getting there :) 17:03 * jcamins just hopes that this doesn't break anyone's workflow. 17:06 cait hm I don't think so 17:22 slef what tool? 17:22 slef hi all :) 17:22 wizzyrea hi :) 17:22 jcamins slef: stage MARC records. 17:22 cait slef: staged marc import - default preselected value for encoding 17:24 slef oh I always have to RTFM on that one - doesn't everyone? ;-) 17:24 trea slef: yes 17:24 slef nice mail on debian-project "Must have popped a neuron there. sorry about the noise." 17:24 wizzyrea hehe 17:32 paul_p OK, time to leave ... for one week. 17:32 cait oh 17:32 cait vacation? 17:33 paul_p this week, the patches that have left the signed off status (for pushed or failed QA) has dropped from 107 to ... 41 !!!! 17:33 paul_p cait, yep, vacation ! 17:33 cait have a nice vacation :) 17:33 paul_p 82 to sign-off ! 17:33 cait so you will work between the holidays? 17:34 paul_p cait, during my vacation I plan to work a little bit on my sandbox database idea. 17:34 paul_p we will implement it not exactly as I'd wished, but that should be something cool anyway 17:34 cait we will wait and see 17:35 cait but don't forget to enjoy your free time 17:35 paul_p reach test1.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/signoff.pl > choose your patch number > 5mn later, you'll have it, with default database loaded (improvement: choose which database you want) 17:35 paul_p we would have test1, test2, test3, ... up to test10 17:36 cait sound snice 17:36 cait but will probably not work for every patch? 17:36 paul_p the limit of this being you must announce when you take a sandbox, to avoid having it replaced by someone else. but we don't have so many testers 17:36 cait like patches with database updates / command line tools and such 17:36 cait no not really.. yet 17:36 paul_p updatedatabase => will work with the new structure ;-) 17:36 cait hope this will get better 17:37 cait I hope we can get that in soon... it blocks some annoying tihngs 17:37 paul_p cait, bug ian ;-) 17:37 cait and lots of new features will have to be reworked for the update part 17:38 paul_p I also plan to put all console output during the setup of the sandbox in a koha news, so the tester will immediatly see if things went well or no 17:38 paul_p OK, this time, I really leave ! 17:38 wizzyrea paul_p: that sounds awesome :D 17:38 cait sounds like a plan 17:38 cait heh 17:38 wizzyrea bye, have a lovely vacation 17:38 paul_p bye & see you on 26th 17:38 magnus_afk paul_p++ 17:38 cait when will yo ube back? 17:38 cait ah 17:38 cait have fun :) 17:39 magnus_afk if biblibre finds a good way to do that others could follow in their tracks... 17:41 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3431 - Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=396efb90c73099e1f87a5a4593b4c5c1020c69c3> / Bug 2307 - Calendar widget cannot be translated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=873ac768b0d557315e3e6067032db78defa4377a> / Bug 7226 - can't add tags on list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c 17:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 578 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #575 5 h 0 mn ago) 17:51 rangi right, should be back to stable this time 17:51 jcamins rangi: it's Saturday. Sleep in. 17:51 wizzyrea ^^ 17:52 rangi swimming lessons at 9.30 17:52 rangi the kids are all awake already 17:52 wizzyrea oh that's very exciting. 17:52 rangi last one for the year 17:53 rangi kahu thinks there might be a christmas tree in the pool 17:53 rangi i suspect he will be disappointed 17:53 chris_n enjoy your holiday paul_p 17:53 jcamins rangi: that's adorable. Where did he get that idea? 17:54 wizzyrea awww 17:54 wizzyrea you could always plant one at the bottom, an ornament xmas tree that will sink ;) 17:54 chris_n floating presents too? 17:54 wizzyrea or somesuch 17:54 rangi hehe 17:54 wizzyrea "look kahu! a xmas tree in the pool!" 17:54 rangi jcamins: no idea, probably cos they are everywhere 17:55 wizzyrea an* 17:55 wizzyrea meh. 18:05 melia good morning 18:06 rangi hi melia 18:07 * jcamins contemplates briefly how weird it is that it's morning in both NZ and California, but in California it's today, and in NZ it's tomorrow. 18:07 melia heh. yes, definitely weird. 18:07 wizzyrea i found it extremely odd that I arrived in california only 2 hours after I left NZ 18:08 cait that is extremely odd 18:08 wizzyrea it was... unsettling 18:08 wizzyrea :) 18:08 cait I can understand 18:08 wizzyrea I just spent 13 hours on a plane what do you mean it's only been 2 hours! <freaks out> 18:09 * wizzyrea giggles 18:09 wizzyrea it wasn't that big of a deal really 18:09 rangi ive arrived before i left 18:09 cait ok 18:09 cait that tops extremely odd 18:09 rangi 18 hours behind 18:09 rangi 13 hour flight 18:11 wizzyrea yea, that tops 18:11 wizzyrea that is ludicrously odd. 18:12 rangi laurel missed her birthday once 18:12 rangi coming back 18:12 wizzyrea aww 18:27 slef help? 18:27 slef mailing lists? 18:27 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 18:27 slef wahanui: help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. 18:27 slef heh, that failed 18:28 jcamins help? 18:28 wizzyrea forget help 18:28 slef help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. 18:28 slef help? 18:28 wahanui help is, like, at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help 18:28 slef that worked 18:28 wizzyrea i suspect he had a help is reply in there. 18:29 wizzyrea i suspect he had a help 18:29 wizzyrea ok good :) 18:30 slef help is a command to wahanui 18:30 * rangi goes to deal with the crazies^w children 18:30 cait heh 18:31 rangi cya's 18:31 wizzyrea l8r 18:34 cait bye rangi 18:35 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 18:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #578: FIXED in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/578/ 18:35 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_2830: Remove reserve when checking out if the borrower is not the first one in the reserve queue 18:35 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 6292 followup 18:35 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6292 : Overdue notices not being generated when borrower had an overdue older than the max value of the notice triggers 18:35 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 6292 : Followup 2. several letters where generated if a borrower had overdues with different due_date triggering the same level 18:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist 18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6302: Separate AutoEmailPrimaryAdress and AutoEmailOpacUser 18:35 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 6302 follow up 18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7226 - can't add tags on list 18:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6302 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Failing to send email notices - to_address not set 18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 2307 - Calendar widget cannot be translated 18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 3431 - Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch 18:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7226 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Can't add tags on list 18:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2307 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , Calendar widget cannot be translated 18:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3431 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch 18:36 slef bbl 19:05 rhcl whoami 19:07 maximep uru 19:07 cait uru? 19:07 cait oh 19:08 cait iami? 19:13 maximep u sure r 19:13 maximep "without using XSLT stylesheet" was translated as "using XSLT" in our french translation 19:13 maximep fun. 19:14 jcamins maximep: whoops. 19:14 maximep someone would change it in english 19:14 maximep and the next would change it again in french 19:16 cait maximep: that kind of problem sounds familiar 19:16 maximep fixed at least 10 of those inverted translations in the fr-CA prefs :/ 19:17 cait I feel with you 19:17 * cait shares her cookies 19:17 maximep =) 19:17 jcamins Cookies? 19:17 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 19:17 jcamins Yes they are. 19:18 jcamins wahanui: you're right. 19:18 wahanui jcamins: what? 19:18 jcamins wahanui: true. 19:18 wahanui true. is probably it possible to have automatic recurring invoices for each patron? 19:18 jcamins wahanui: forget true 19:18 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching true 19:18 maximep i tought delicacies was spelled delicaties :S 19:18 jcamins cait: what kind of cookies? 19:18 maximep wahanui: forget true. 19:18 wahanui maximep, I didn't have anything matching true 19:18 maximep o_O 19:18 cait virtual chocolate chip cookies 19:20 jcamins cait: fresh from the oven? :) 19:20 cait from the virtual oven, yes 19:20 jcamins I've decided to make "hot fudge" as one of my varieties. :) 19:21 jcamins With harissa and/or hot pepper. 19:22 cait you are a crazy fudge maker :) 19:22 jcamins I know. :) 19:26 cait :) 19:27 oleonard Okay, I need help. How to troubleshoot why zebra does not start up automatically? 19:27 * oleonard isn't usually working from this laptop 19:27 cait the zebrasrv thing? 19:28 jcamins oleonard: the script is either not in /etc/rc.d/ or it isn't executable? 19:28 jcamins oleonard: does it start up when you run koha-zebra-ctl.sh manually? 19:29 cait hm actually... minde doesn't start automatically too... 19:29 cait mine... 19:29 * cait goes to check what jcamins suggested 19:29 jcamins /etc/init.d/ not /etc/rc.d/ 19:29 cait that woudl have been my next question :) 19:30 oleonard koha-zebra-daemon is in init.d, linked to koha-zebra-ctl.sh in my koha bin directory 19:30 jcamins HM. 19:30 jcamins What are the permissions? 19:30 wahanui the permissions are save 19:30 jcamins wahanui: forget permissions 19:30 wahanui jcamins: I forgot permissions 19:31 jcamins wahanui: forget the permissions 19:31 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching permissions 19:31 cait lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2011-07-16 21:02 koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/katrin/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh 19:31 jcamins Hm, that's right. 19:31 wahanui I know. 19:32 oleonard cait's matches mine 19:32 cait I always have to poke it when I want to search 19:33 jcamins sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults 19:34 cait .. already exist 19:34 oleonard ditto 19:34 jcamins Hm. 19:34 jcamins I'm not sure. 19:34 jcamins I remember I had some sort of permission error when I first set up my dev box, but I don't see anything wrong with your permissions. 19:35 jcamins Oh, what are the permissions on ~/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh ? 19:35 cait -rwxr-xr-x 1 katrin katrin 19:35 jcamins Okay, that's right. 19:35 wahanui I know. 19:39 oleonard When I manually run koha-zebra-ctl.sh I see "Starting Zebra Server" but it doesn't actually start 19:40 cait I normally do /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start and that works 19:40 cait but I always have to do i 19:40 cait t 19:40 jcamins oleonard: in that case, I would speculate that you have a problem with permissions in /dev. 19:40 jcamins Do... 19:40 jcamins ls -l /dev/null 19:40 jcamins And: ls -l /dev/tty 19:41 jcamins (and tell me what the permissions are) 19:41 oleonard crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2011-12-16 13:59 /dev/null 19:41 oleonard crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 2011-12-16 14:33 /dev/tty 19:41 jcamins Hm. So much for that idea. 19:42 * jcamins doesn't really have any more. 19:43 maximep is there something in the koha-zebradaemon.err 19:43 maximep or .log 19:44 cait hm 19:44 cait the last line is 19:44 cait 20110717 01:27:08 koha-zebra-ctl.koha: fatal: terminated 19:44 cait very old 19:47 jcamins cait: you have a different problem than oleonard, though, because Zebra starts for you, just not automatically. 20:06 magnuse hm is the root part of lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2011-07-16 21:02 koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/katrin/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh right? 20:06 magnuse shouldn't that be owned by the user who owns the config files etc? 20:07 jcamins magnuse: not sure. I don't have a Koha installation to look at. 20:07 magnuse cait? 20:07 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! 20:07 magnuse okay... 20:07 cait heh 20:07 magnuse Ms. Cait? 20:07 wahanui Ms. Cait are you around? 20:07 cait I am here :) 20:08 magnuse do you run /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon with or without sudo? 20:08 cait without 20:09 magnuse try sudo chown cait:cait /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon ? 20:10 mbalmer scripts in init.d should not belong to regular users 20:10 cait hm does not change the file permissions? 20:10 magnuse ah, ok, i might be way off then... 20:11 magnuse yeah, forget it, i checked one of my servers and those scripts are all owned by root - sorry, my bad 20:13 oleonard I can run zebra just fine with sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /home/oleonard/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml, so zebra *can* work 20:13 jcamins oleonard: and you changed the user listed in koha-zebra-ctl.sh? 20:15 oleonard USER=koha 20:15 jcamins And that's the user you're running Koha as? 20:16 * jcamins thought that dev installs used the current user. 20:16 wizzyrea yea, who owns your koha-dev/ directory? 20:16 wizzyrea or whatever you call it 20:16 wizzyrea and who do you log in as? 20:17 wizzyrea normally 20:18 cait oh 20:18 cait there are user and group listed in that file? 20:18 jcamins cait: yup. 20:18 cait do I have to change those? 20:18 jcamins cait: I think so, anyway. 20:18 cait never saw that mentioned anywhere 20:18 jcamins cait: I think you have to change them to your user. 20:19 jcamins Hmmm... not even after running the installation? 20:19 * jcamins could be mistaken. 20:19 cait I have triedthat 20:19 cait will see if it works with the next restart :) 20:22 magnuse i thought you had to change that too, but now i see that all my clients have USER=koha in those files... 20:22 * chris_n hopes mbalmer didn't get blown away in that storm :/ 20:22 magnuse gah - "Tri-weekly" is that three times a week or every three weeks? 20:22 cait I think every 3 20:23 magnuse yay! https://twitter.com/#!/nengard/statuses/147765715934527488 20:23 wizzyrea \o/ 20:23 magnuse (not for the hurting but for the worst being over, of course) 20:24 magnuse thanks cait 20:24 wizzyrea they have good drugs for hurting ;) 20:24 magnuse yum! ;-) 20:28 oleonard Great, now it says zebrasrv is running but it's not returning any records 20:29 jcamins oleonard: ownership on the Zebra indexes? 20:35 oleonard Grrr... So what's supposed to owned by the koha user (for zebra) and what's supposed to be owned by me? 20:35 jcamins oleonard: my rule of thumb for dev installs is that everything should be owned by you. 20:35 jcamins And Zebra should be run as your user. 20:36 oleonard Well that would certainly simplify things... if I hadn't followed the directions and set things up for a separate user 20:37 jcamins The directions said to do that for dev installs too? 20:37 jcamins Huh. 20:37 oleonard The INSTALL file doesn't go into detail about dev vs. standard in this regard 20:37 jcamins Ah. 20:38 jcamins My understanding was that with dev installs, the way to have a separate user was to log in as someone else and install koha-dev in their home directory. 20:39 oleonard Is there a point to having a separate user with a dev install? 20:41 jcamins oleonard: no. 20:41 jcamins oleonard: at least, not in my opinion. 20:41 jcamins Well, there's a point if you're using the dev install in production, but you probably shouldn't be logged into your production machine all the time anyway. 20:43 jcamins wizzyrea: having fun obsoleting attachments? 20:43 wizzyrea shh 20:43 cait hm? :) 20:44 wizzyrea there, now we can test it and it won't spam the bugs list. 20:45 wizzyrea i've been working out several things. 20:45 wizzyrea related to git bz 20:45 * wizzyrea hrmphs. 20:45 jcamins Are you going to share your discoveries? 20:46 wizzyrea probably not actually, it's nothing that you guys didn't already know. 20:46 jcamins :( What if I don't already know? 20:46 magnuse is it on the wiki? 20:47 wizzyrea some of it, the rest I haven't quite figured out yet. 20:50 * oleonard has zebra running, will have to wait and see if it starts on restart 20:50 jcamins Yay! 20:50 jcamins oleonard: how did you get it working? 20:52 oleonard I ditched the koha user and gave everything back to myself 20:53 * magnuse pulls his hair out trying to ssh into a new virtualbox instance of debian 20:54 jcamins magnuse: uh-oh. 20:55 magnuse jcamins: yeah... i have got it to work before, but now i can't do it... 20:55 jcamins magnuse: I have three suggestions about the problem: 1) you only have a NAT card set up in the VM, 2) you installed Debian without choosing to install SSH manually, 3) uhhh... 20:55 jcamins I had three suggestions. 20:55 jcamins There are two. 20:56 jcamins I'll get back to you with another if I think of it. 20:56 oleonard EPA? 20:56 jcamins EPA? 20:57 * oleonard apologizes... Rick Perry Republican primary debate joke 20:57 magnuse hm, could be 2, lemme check... 20:58 magnuse nope, was the network settings, but thanks anyway! 21:00 rhcl firewall 21:01 magnuse i was trying to follow this: http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2010/02/08/howto-ssh-into-virtualbox-3-linux-guests/ 21:01 magnuse but the settings for the network were not working out 21:01 magnuse making it " 21:01 magnuse Adapter 1:Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (Bridged adapter, eth0)" did the trick though 21:02 cait yay 21:03 magnuse ;-) 21:05 * jcamins always puts in two adapters: NAT and Host-only. 21:06 jcamins I've had problems with Bridged adapters. 21:07 trea weird. i've never had a problem with bridged adapters 21:07 trea at least in virtualbox anyways 21:08 magnuse i think for me NAT and host only used to work, but not now... 21:08 magnuse strange 21:08 jcamins magnuse: oh, I know what the problem was. 21:08 jcamins It's the one I always have. 21:08 jcamins That was my suggestion one. Debian only configures one adapter by default. 21:08 magnuse oh 21:09 * jcamins didn't figure that out for a very long time. 21:11 * jcamins keeps on misreading this name as "Arthur Hugh Smith Baffy." 21:16 magnuse so even if i set up a second interface in the virtualbox ui, debian won't notice it? 21:17 jcamins magnuse: not automatically. 21:17 jcamins You have to tell Debian to start paying attention to it. 21:17 magnuse cool that would certainly explain it! 21:18 magnuse and how would you tell debian that? 21:18 jcamins http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/need-help-in-telling-debian-about-second-nic-374370/ 21:18 jcamins :) 21:18 magnuse ah, thanks a ton! 21:20 * magnuse added that link to his little wiki of "things to remember" 21:34 * chris_n waves by to the #koha peps 21:34 wizzyrea later :) 21:36 magnuse see ya! 21:48 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5503] comments shouldn't show patron's full name <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5503> 21:55 oleonard Ah, there i is 21:55 oleonard Bam. 21:56 jcamins Good night, #koha. 21:59 cait hhe 21:59 cait heh 22:10 nengard peek a boo 22:10 wizzyrea yay nengard! 22:10 wizzyrea did they give you good drugs? 22:10 nengard hehe 22:10 nengard yuh huh 22:10 wizzyrea yesss 22:10 nengard took some a short while ago 22:10 nengard so i'm sitting up 22:10 wizzyrea *gentle hugs* 22:10 nengard and saying hi to my friends 22:10 nengard thanks all for the well wishes 22:11 wizzyrea not too many around at the moment - but everybody was glad to see your tweet 22:11 nengard it took me like 10 min to write that 22:12 nengard kept falling asleep :) 22:13 oleonard Hi nengard, glad you're doing okay 22:13 nengard yuppers 22:13 nengard this - for the record - is way worse than a hip replacement 22:13 nengard shocking - but true 22:14 wizzyrea well - they inflate you and muck everything about in there 22:14 wizzyrea it's disruptive! 22:14 wizzyrea you don't realize how nice and settled your organs are until someone goes in there and rearranges them for you. 22:15 wizzyrea my spleen was happy where it was, thank you. 22:16 * nengard giggles carefully 22:16 nengard no LOLing here for a bit :) 22:16 cait hi nengard - glad too, hope you feel better soon 22:16 wizzyrea norway++ for sustainable fish farming 22:16 wizzyrea just because.