Time  Nick         Message
23:57 jcamins_away rangi: so you'll have to look at what's in it to determine what the data stored in it is.
23:55 huginn`      jcamins_away: A note that is used when more than one bibliographic work is contained in a physical item at the time of publishing, release, issue, or execution. The works usually have distinctive titles and lack a collective title. (Repeatable) [a,5,6,8]
23:55 jcamins_away @marc 501
23:55 jcamins_away rangi: some libraries use it for a local "With" note.
23:54 jcamins_away rangi: local note.
23:46 huginn`      eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (12:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
23:46 eythian      @wunder wellington, nz
23:17 huginn`      rangi: unknown tag 591
23:17 rangi        @marc 591
23:16 huginn`      rangi: unknown tag 519
23:16 rangi        @marc 519
22:32 jcamins      Good night, #koha.
22:04 talljoy      ok
22:02 jcamins      talljoy: actionlog
22:02 talljoy      anyone know where the system logs are pulling from?  Does it create the data on the fly from the borrower tables or are they stored in their own tables?
21:55 magnus_afk   g'night
21:53 slef         zz time
21:52 rangi        coffee time
21:51 slef         hehe
21:50 jcamins      talljoy: never mind my suggestion that rhcl mentioned an rfid library.
21:49 rhcl         No, I don't recall talking about anybody else using rfid
21:46 cait         ok :)
21:46 slef         autocorrect--
21:45 slef         cait: sorry I meant 'bye cait'
21:45 jcamins      Oh, and I think Los Gatos.
21:45 slef         talljoy: yes but I don't have access any more.
21:44 jcamins      talljoy: some NEKLS libraries, and I think rhcl was talking about someone else.
21:44 cait         talljoy: 2 of our libraires use rfid too
21:44 wahanui      i guess slef is an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge
21:44 cait         yes slef?
21:44 wizzyrea     talljoy: nekls
21:44 slef         cait!
21:44 talljoy      Hi all.  Anyone know of any Koha library using RFID?
21:44 jcamins      Bye.
21:44 wizzyrea     gnite cait
21:44 slef         bye bait
21:43 cait         good night all :)
21:43 cait         timezones--
21:42 wizzyrea     yes, I think that's the one we went to
21:42 rangi        and another one
21:42 rangi        the korean bbq one
21:42 rangi        korean ones
21:42 rangi        there are 2 karaoke ones near us
21:42 rhcl         I'm going to move to NZ so I can eat Korean food and go fishing in the big pond.
21:42 rangi        yes
21:42 * wizzyrea   remembers such a place but doesn't remember the name
21:41 cait         karaoke!
21:41 wizzyrea     is there a korean place with karaoke that's kind of back from the street near where you are?
21:39 slef         heh. Bed Bath and Beyonce
21:39 wizzyrea     nom
21:37 rangi        http://www.menumania.co.nz/restaurants/browse/wellington-city/korean all within 10 min radius of catalyst
21:37 rangi        http://www.menumania.co.nz/restaurants/country-house-restaurant  <-- where eythian and I ate yesterday
21:36 slef         never actually made them. My pizza bases are always too deep
21:35 rhcl         오징어 and 쥐 고기 ...I miss eating them
21:33 wizzyrea     I admit I had not tried calzones at home yet
21:33 jcamins      Yup.
21:33 wizzyrea     and can be stuffed with delicious things.
21:33 jcamins      And they're almost impossible to screw up.
21:32 jcamins      The crimping the edges is tricky, but the rest is pretty easy.
21:32 wizzyrea     calzones. sounds like a lovely dinner.
21:32 wizzyrea     oh yes, I neglected "stuffing"
21:31 jcamins      It was calzones.
21:31 jcamins      Oh! I remember!
21:31 wizzyrea     ^.^ got it
21:30 jcamins      So I'm telling you in the hopes that when I mention some recipe I wanted to tell #koha about, you'll know why. ;)
21:29 jcamins      wizzyrea: I'm liable to remember randomly, but not remember *why* I'm remembering it.
21:29 wizzyrea     if it involved pounding or rolling or dipping, that's ideal
21:29 wizzyrea     <3
21:29 wizzyrea     jcamins: hehe - thank you?
21:29 jcamins      wizzyrea: I don't know, but I saw a recipe that would be great for cooking with a little one the other day. Sadly, I've forgotten what it was.
21:29 rangi        cya oleonard
21:29 wizzyrea     bye
21:29 * oleonard   quits for the day
21:28 wizzyrea     libsysguy maybe?
21:28 wizzyrea     besides me
21:28 wizzyrea     ?
21:28 wizzyrea     who was it that was looking for autoprint for chrome/ium
21:26 rangi        heh
21:25 * trea       sighs
21:25 trea         tries to make a joke about trademarks. too soon?
21:24 * wizzyrea   can hear the enthusiasm in your voice.
21:24 oleonard     Indefinite detentions, internet censorship. Yay America.
21:24 oleonard     ...but the fact that it has made it this far is pretty sad.
21:24 oleonard     There's still time to hope.
21:23 slef         but if they're debating it now, I guess what's done is done
21:23 slef         good luck against it!
21:21 slef         I'll look at it tomoz
21:21 slef         yeah it's hard to use a browser from this location just now
21:20 oleonard     https://www.eff.org/issues/coica-internet-censorship-and-copyright-bill
21:20 slef         shame
21:19 oleonard     Yes
21:19 slef         oh this is big media rather than porn motivated?
21:18 slef         took out wikipedia for days, a year or two ago
21:18 oleonard     ...including foreign-owned ones
21:18 jcamins      oleonard: only much worse.
21:18 oleonard     It would give "rights-holders" (media companies) lots of new tools for pulling "infringing" material (and whole web sites) off the internet
21:18 slef         or the voluntary but not really always uk one
21:17 oleonard     SOPA is the US's version of the Great Firewall of China slef
21:17 wizzyrea     good luck doing that once you pass this law, guy.
21:17 oleonard     No, but following @EFFLive
21:16 slef         which says?
21:16 jcamins      oleonard: watching the SOPA deliberations?
21:16 oleonard     https://twitter.com/#!/SteveKingIA/status/147371129177255936
21:14 cait         me neither :)
21:13 rangi        it should be in the minutes/log
21:13 rangi        hehe
21:13 * jcamins    just said he couldn't follow the conversation. ;)
21:13 jcamins      cait: oh, maybe they are?
21:13 cait         that was about the database numbers... and I thought they were going to fix it (irc meeting?)
21:12 wizzyrea     >.>
21:12 jcamins      rangi: yeah, cait pointed it out to paul_p, but I couldn't follow the conversation.
21:12 wizzyrea     oh, you mean the version number
21:12 wizzyrea     or navigating away
21:12 wizzyrea     I think he keeps closing the tab
21:12 cait         yep, that would be good
21:12 rangi        jcamins: oh .. we should fix that then
21:11 jcamins      He's not having much luck with Mibbit, is he?
21:11 jcamins      rangi: except right now. 3.7.x still says 3.6.x, doesn't it?
21:10 rangi        its an unstable version .. even (3.4.x 3.6.x etc) are stable releases
21:10 rangi        the rule with koha, is if the second number (5 in this case) is odd
21:10 rangi        but yeah upgrading to an actual released version in the future is no bad thing
21:10 mib_042qfi   omg.....I saw the boxes for check off- the "delete items" is on the bottom of the list ....duh. Thanks for your help.
21:09 rangi        (before you try to upgrade)
21:09 rangi        and you definitely dont go the remove selected records button showing?
21:09 wizzyrea     ^^
21:09 * jcamins    would suggest upgrading to 3.6.1.
21:09 wizzyrea     but it's long fixed
21:09 * jcamins    too
21:08 wizzyrea     i sort of recall a bug about that
21:08 jcamins      Hm, that's right after the Template Toolkit switchover.
21:08 mib_042qfi   back again :)  Koha version:
21:07 oleonard     Lots of Koha users seem to be oblivious of the Koha community
21:07 rangi        yeah highly likely
21:07 jcamins      Bets that they're using Koha 2.something on Windows?
21:06 * jcamins    ponders.
21:06 jcamins      You'd think they would've e-mailed the list, or something.
21:05 jcamins      Huh.
21:05 rangi        click the checkbox, and click remove selected records
21:05 rangi        with checkboxes next to them
21:05 rangi        also, if you click on the list, you should get a list of all the items in it
21:05 rangi        open another tab :)
21:04 PedroT       let me see if i can go back without kicking myself out...tx
21:04 rangi        then it should have the remove button too
21:04 rangi        but if its 3.05.00
21:04 * wizzyrea   seems a bit wide eyed today
21:04 rangi        3.05.something.somethingelse
21:04 rangi        hmm do you have the full number?
21:04 wizzyrea     oh hi wb :)
21:03 PedroT       kicked my self out...regarding my list question - we have version 3.05 (?).
21:03 wizzyrea     O.O
21:03 rangi        what????
21:03 rangi        https://www.odesk.com/jobs/~~3fe10cfd4f1acdb6?source=rss
21:03 wizzyrea     O.o
21:03 rangi        or you could quit
21:03 maximep      :S
21:00 rangi        i get an option to remove selected records
21:00 rangi        in the staff interface
21:00 rangi        the about page
21:00 Hukk         Not sure- where could I find that info?
20:59 rangi        what version of koha?
20:59 Hukk         The only option seems to be to leave it there or delete the whole list
20:58 Hukk         I am putting lists on my library's catalog. I put one title on the wrong list and can't figure out how to delete it
20:57 rangi        (and thats already mostly used by piwik and bugzilla)
20:56 rangi        more than the 512 i have
20:56 cait         what does it need?
20:56 rangi        not enough ram to run etherpad on my linode
20:56 cait         hi Hukk
20:56 Hukk         Anyone home?
20:56 rangi        nope
20:51 jcamins      Yup. :)
20:51 wizzyrea     lots of them :)
20:51 wizzyrea     http://www.xtranormal.com/search/?q=library
20:50 jcamins      I just found one by another library. I'll use that one.
20:49 wizzyrea     hmm
20:49 jcamins      Thanks. I swear I remember one of your librarians doing a "how to find journals" or something like that.
20:48 wizzyrea     [off] http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6840909/whats-the-deal-with-kohaorg?page=1 also this
20:48 trea         strangely apropo
20:47 wizzyrea     today I referred to mucking about in cataloging as "going to the gamma quadrant'
20:47 wizzyrea     http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7211409/swkls-tech-day?page=1
20:46 jcamins      wizzyrea: heh. That's pretty cute.
20:46 wizzyrea     i'm trying to think of which instructional videos we did
20:46 ibeardslee   jcamins: don't think so
20:46 wizzyrea     http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6875651/library-nerds
20:45 jcamins      ibeardslee: does Facebook do OpenID?
20:45 trea         jealous! still missing te papa
20:45 * wizzyrea   thinks
20:45 wizzyrea     instruction videos...
20:45 rangi        family fun day with nzso at te papa tomorrow
20:44 jcamins      wizzyrea: do you have a link to the library instruction videos NEKLS did wit xtranormal?
20:44 rangi        http://wotzon.com/eventlisting.php?event_id=5019912
20:44 ibeardslee   facebook is *not* a universal authenticator!
20:44 wizzyrea     I approve of this
20:44 rangi        speaking of nzso
20:44 * ibeardslee went to listen the NZSO on soundcloud last night, so installed the android app for it .. wanted me to login via facebook
20:44 rangi        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6SBsbjgyc0  <-- now with dancing robots
20:43 trea         yes
20:43 rangi        also, i love how you can just totally make up genres on soundcloud
20:43 ibeardslee   mbalmer: yes that's the minimum
20:43 trea         that is killin
20:43 rangi        i love lazer hip-hop massive
20:43 jcamins      ibeardslee: it's always between happy hour somewhere.
20:43 * ibeardslee had a boozy lunch with a supplier on tuesday .. wasn't very enthused about when when I got back into the office at 4pm
20:43 mbalmer      ibeardslee, some timezones do 30 minutes offsets
20:43 * cait       too
20:43 * wizzyrea   walks to the other room
20:43 jcamins      ibeardslee: true.
20:42 wizzyrea     ^^ would pay to see that IRL
20:42 * trea       gets out his giant Flava Flava alarm clock necklace and shutter shades.
20:42 ibeardslee   at 5:15, it's not 5:00 anywhere because timezones don't do 15 minutes
20:42 cait         :)
20:42 cait         oh... sorry
20:42 wizzyrea     goes quite well with the SOPA hearings
20:42 rangi        :)
20:42 rangi        we'll be finished lunch by then silly
20:42 rangi        that starts at 4
20:42 cait         what happaned to beer o clock?
20:41 rangi        http://soundcloud.com/bobby-c-sound-tv/shut-em-down-bobby-c-sound-tv
20:41 rangi        also
20:41 mbalmer      mmm, steak and beer...
20:41 cait         jcamins: and wrap the fudge to send to germany?
20:41 rangi        steak and beer
20:41 ibeardslee   jcamins: actually not really
20:41 rangi        to go to the pub for lunch
20:41 cait         good reason
20:41 rangi        yes
20:41 jcamins      cait: to go home and make fudge?
20:41 trea         because they can
20:41 jcamins      It's always 5 o'clock somewhere, right?
20:41 cait         why?
20:41 cait         :)
20:41 trea         noice
20:41 wizzyrea     I approve of this.
20:41 rangi        level 7 at catalyst does anyway
20:40 cait         oh
20:40 trea         it's friday somewhere. Where "somewhere = NZ"
20:40 rangi        and we stop at 1pm today
20:40 cait         or both!
20:40 jcamins      cait: or December.
20:40 rangi        yes
20:40 cait         hm must be friday
20:40 trea         rabble rabble rabble
20:40 jcamins      Also, the ice wouldn't last.
20:40 trea         oh, then we're talking about something else then
20:40 wizzyrea     ice either.
20:40 wahanui      oleonard: what?
20:40 oleonard     wahanui: When bots start eating chocolate, that's when the war with machines begins
20:40 jcamins      trea: I don't know, I think highball glasses might not work so well as a fudge flavor.
20:39 kathryn      hello jcamins, and all your cheerful selves!
20:39 wahanui      chocolate is finite, we ate it all :)
20:39 rangi        and chocolate
20:39 trea         let the record show my stalwart support for Irish cream, and it's constituents; ice and highball glasses.
20:38 * oleonard   takes a strong pro position on these essential political issues, and condemns those who oppose him.
20:36 jcamins      oleonard: did I ask you your stance on Irish cream, raspberry, and walnuts?
20:36 * jcamins    waves to kathryn
20:35 kathryn      hi there trea
20:34 trea         hi kathryn
20:33 kathryn      heya cait and wizzyrea :)
20:32 wizzyrea     hi kathryn :)
20:32 cait         hi kathryn
20:29 rangi        hehe
20:29 ibeardslee   sigh scrollback
20:29 rangi        yep
20:29 ibeardslee   rangi: have you been talking with francios about etherpad?
20:28 rangi        yeah it worked well for that
20:28 wizzyrea     like the notices rewrite
20:28 wizzyrea     :D
20:28 wizzyrea     collaborative RFP'ing
20:28 rangi        if i cant someone could try on their server and ill point dns there
20:28 jcamins      What would it be used for?
20:28 rangi        but we'll see
20:28 rangi        may not be able to, uses a bunch of ram
20:28 rangi        well i couldnt get it stable
20:27 * jcamins    didn't know there was an etherpad.koha-community.org.
20:26 wizzyrea     woohoo!
20:26 rangi        but now i can resurrect etherpad.koha-community.org
20:26 rangi        he doesnt get into work till 10 or 11
20:26 rangi        about now
20:25 wizzyrea     good lord does he ever sleep
20:25 rangi        http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/2011/12/installing-etherpad-on-debianubuntu.html
20:24 rangi        francois++ #again
20:11 mbalmer      chris_n, tnx fer url
20:10 mbalmer      oleonard, switzerland.
19:59 huginn`      jcamins: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.0�C (8:54 PM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
19:59 jcamins      @wunder konstanz
19:52 trea         #koha++
19:52 trea         i defer to your judgement
19:52 jcamins      You're looking at an old server, and some of those are... problematic.
19:52 trea         fair enough
19:52 cait         yep
19:52 trea         s/i/i'm
19:52 trea         lol, i guessing you all think i should reindex. :P
19:51 jcamins      trea: has the server been reindexed fully since the suppressed index was added?
19:51 rangi        or do you have to edit them first?
19:50 rangi        does the imported one show up
19:50 wizzyrea     hehe I think that's a given ;)
19:50 rangi        if you try a full reindex
19:50 rangi        maybe they are weird
19:50 trea         http://screencast.com/t/v2E4waTvokYC
19:50 trea         Framework test looks fine:
19:50 trea         http://screencast.com/t/sen3sg4Y1c
19:50 trea         Imported - Not Suppressed:
19:50 trea         http://screencast.com/t/od29OTab
19:50 trea         Manually Added - Suppressed:
19:49 wizzyrea     and not original cataloged records
19:49 jcamins      Hello.
19:49 wizzyrea     but why would it happen only on imported records
19:49 rangi        mtj++
19:49 rangi        i really quite like the timeline in the about page
19:49 cait         jcamins_away: hey!
19:49 cait         me too
19:48 wahanui      indexing is done by Zebra.
19:48 jcamins_away Indexing.
19:48 rangi        i totally blame indexing then
19:47 trea         yes. it does in fact seem to work when that happens
19:46 cait         does it work when you open, edit another field and save?
19:42 trea         that was my first thought as well cait. the more i dig into this the less sure i am
19:39 wahanui      indexing is done by Zebra.
19:39 cait         indexing?
19:32 trea         it is, oddly enough
19:32 cait         is the value in the marc the same for both?
19:31 cait         never used it, sorry
19:31 trea         has anyone seen issues with suppression not being honored after a record import, but will honor it when adding records manually?
19:31 cait         :)
19:31 cait         nice
19:30 wizzyrea     how was it?
19:29 cait         we were at the xmas market
19:29 wizzyrea     I like ok :)
19:29 trea         :D
19:29 cait         but overall ok :)
19:28 cait         frozen
19:28 trea         cait! how are you?
19:27 cait         hi trea :)
19:22 wizzyrea     year, even.
19:22 wizzyrea     I suspect that I had not had direct experience with breeding farm references in the code last ear.
19:21 wizzyrea     >.>
19:21 cait         lol
19:21 huginn`      New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6142] CanBookBeReserved function is redefined in C4/ILSDI/Utility.pm <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6142>
19:21 wizzyrea     but... for dirty reasons
19:21 wizzyrea     probably so
19:21 rangi        apparently it made you lol about a year ago too
19:20 * wizzyrea   feels enlightened
19:20 wizzyrea     i always wondered why it was called that!
19:20 rangi        heh
19:20 wizzyrea     that explains SO MUCH.
19:20 rangi        sadly not
19:20 wizzyrea     OH *breeding farm*
19:20 cait         2004... and nothing changed
19:19 cait         heh
19:19 rangi        i shoulda linked to that in my email
19:19 rangi        http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2004/03/31/the-m-in-marc-is-for-mental/
19:19 cait         hm?
19:17 rangi        i missed an opportunity
19:17 rangi        oh man
19:12 rangi        not too bad
19:11 ibeardslee   and soaked?
19:11 cait         wb
19:11 rangi        back
19:00 rangi        bbiab
19:00 rangi        my stop
18:58 cait         lol
18:58 wahanui      I know. That's why I said it.
18:58 cait         very true
18:58 wahanui      oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
18:58 chris_n      oleonard?
18:57 * oleonard   is from Ohio, http://www.myacpl.org
18:57 oleonard     mbalmer: Where are you from?
18:56 * chris_n    wonders about that sometimes
18:56 rangi        does it ever get cold there chris_n ?
18:56 huginn`      chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 21.0�C (1:35 PM EST on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
18:56 chris_n      @wunder 28334
18:55 cait         oh!
18:55 rangi        flooding
18:55 wahanui      i heard earthquake was on the news
18:55 cait         earthquake?
18:55 rangi        state of emergency down there
18:55 rangi        we are just getting the edge
18:55 rangi        nelson here is getting pounded
18:54 cait         hi rangi
18:54 rangi        hi cait
18:53 oleonard     ...but hard to take advantage of because of the rain :|
18:52 oleonard     It's unusually warm today
18:52 rangi        for december in Ohio?
18:52 rangi        hmmm that seems warm
18:52 oleonard     Seems like you and I have the same weather today rangi
18:52 huginn`      oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 15.0�C (1:50 PM EST on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Steady).
18:52 oleonard     @wunder 45701
18:51 ibeardslee   yeap yeap yeap
18:51 ibeardslee   yeap yeap yeap
18:50 rangi        this rain is getting boring
18:41 huginn`      rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
18:41 rangi        @wunder wellington nz
18:39 rangi        hi rhcl
18:39 rhcl         hi rangi
18:39 rangi        ill get duncan to retest
18:39 rangi        ahh xslt of course
18:38 oleonard     Hi rangi
18:37 rangi        sup peeps
18:36 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7334 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Improve 'No address stored' and similar messages in patron account
18:36 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Cleaning up tests to use sample data
18:36 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7331 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, duncan, ASSIGNED , Circulation.pl generates errors in the log
18:36 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7330 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search
18:36 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7326 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , longoverdue.pl was hardcoded to 1 year, is now a parameter
18:36 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7325 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Editing a list generates errors in the log
18:35 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7323 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Javascript error when editing list
18:35 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: welcome to Marc Balmer, #167
18:35 jenkins_koha * marc: Bail out early if an invalid language is used.
18:35 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7321 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Silence warns in Koha.pm
18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7334: Improve 'no address stored' and similar messages in patron account
18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7334: Improve 'no address stored' and similar messages in patron account
18:35 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7313 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Untranslatable strings in 'search to hold' feature
18:35 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 7333 - modifying Members.t to use a branchcode that exists in the sample data
18:35 jenkins_koha * duncan: Bug 7331 - Circulation.pl generates errors in the log
18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7330 - System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search
18:35 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 7326: longoverdue.pl hardcoded to 366 days maximum
18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7325 - Editing a list generates errors in the log
18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7323 - Javascript error when editing list
18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7321: Silence some warns in Koha.pm
18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7313: Untranslatable strings in 'Search to hold' feature
18:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #574: SUCCESS in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/574/
17:59 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5837 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Change installer to use DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned instead of updatedatabase.pl
17:59 chris_n      bug 5837
17:58 chris_n      mbalmer: here you are => http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-catalyst.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/enh/bug_5837
17:55 * chris_n    did some pgsql work long ago, but finally just adapted to the status quo
17:54 chris_n      I believe he has a branch somewhere with this work on it
17:54 chris_n      rangi has done some work on this already
17:54 chris_n      mbalmer: you may want to review some of the discussions to move toward DBIx
17:51 maximep      wow, it's hard to say "bye" in a way that works for all timezones :p
17:50 paul_p       have a good day/night/evening/afternoon/whatever & see you (my) tomorrow morning !
17:50 mbalmer      thanks!
17:50 paul_p       OK, time to leave. I've checked & pushed all bugs that had "signed-off" and were simple to QA. still 44 bugs to QA, but they're harder, will do that later or let others from QA team do it !
17:47 oleonard     It's always a long-term goal to make Koha code less MySQL-specific
17:47 mbalmer      just trying to avoid duplicate work.
17:47 mbalmer      ok.
17:47 oleonard     I don't think anyone is actively working on it
17:46 mbalmer      to repeat and older question:  is someone actively working on PostgreSQL support?  Or interested in doing so?
17:42 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: welcome to Marc Balmer, #167 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=42d6b17851626c547481438138ebc592177c4e75> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7346' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9880b3ad050813550338de70dcd52c82fadac376> / Bail out early if an invalid language is used. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9f7922ad7740693
17:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 574 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
17:36 oleonard     paul_p: Still around?
17:35 oleonard     Death-spiral? I didn't know you were on a Mac [http://marbleofdoom.com/]
17:34 rhcl_away    do you have the latest version, 37.9?
17:33 * chris_n    watches FF go into a death-spiral... yet again
17:26 gaetan_B     bye
17:07 magnuse      have fun, #koha!
16:51 reiveune     bye
16:48 wizzyrea     that does seem to point to "reindex"
16:48 trea         to clarify, the 942$n was set months ago, and they are not being suppressed.
16:47 trea         i mean, i can set the flag on a record that didn't have it before, wait for the cron to run, and the record is suppressed. However, for older records that were suppressed months ago, they aren't being suppressed.
16:46 wizzyrea     hm
16:44 trea         is this just a case where a reindex is most likely needed?
16:44 trea         okay, if OpacSuppression = hide, and they have a 942$n set as 1, why would it suppress some bibs, but not others?
16:44 wizzyrea     maximep had an idea of why it was not working properly and I was going to see if he was right :D
16:43 wizzyrea     speaking of that I was going to test it
16:43 wizzyrea     sure go
16:43 trea         anyone have a sec to chat about opac suppression?
16:43 paul_p       (that's already too much !!!)
16:43 paul_p       (s/3zeros/3digits/)
16:42 paul_p       (iirc, a number with 3 zeros)
16:42 * oleonard   doesn't understand the idea of new TLDs when existing owners buy them up anyway
16:42 wizzyrea     ^^ agreed
16:42 paul_p       and what is unfair I think, is the price you have to pay to buy & block it
16:42 rhcl         yes, of course walmart would have purchased it right away
16:42 paul_p       yes, of course.
16:42 wizzyrea     right because walmart bought it!
16:41 paul_p       so, no walmart girls ;-)
16:41 wizzyrea     and lest we forget the lessons of the past.
16:41 rhcl         so koha.xxx could logically be twisted to "The Girls of Koha" , just theoretically, at some point in the future
16:41 paul_p       walmart.xxx = This domain has been reserved from registration.
16:41 wizzyrea     sounds like the argument for why HLT would have never thought to register Koha as a trademark
16:41 rhcl         I see walmart.xxx being the porn site of The Girls of Walmart or something...
16:41 paul_p       oleonard, I tested it a lot, could not find any problem. So I decided we should have ppl with some time to dedicate to testing do it on something more usefull than this tiny patch
16:40 rhcl         OK, so there's walmart.com and then there are series of images produced by some, like "The Girls of Walmart".  <Understand I'm just "sayin" you know>
16:40 oleonard     magnuse: It might depend on the quality of the content on k-c.xxx ;)
16:40 paul_p       s/poorly/un-/
16:39 oleonard     paul_p: I was hoping my patch would prompt someone to look at it again and discover the cause where I could not
16:39 paul_p       jesseW-- for this so poorly documented code...
16:39 magnuse      i think the only relevant thing here is search, and i don't think a k-c.xxx would make it very high in a search for "koha"
16:39 oleonard     paul_p: I certainly understand your hesitation
16:39 mbalmer      nobody will associate Koha with pr0n anways.
16:38 huginn`      New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7333] Cleaning up tests to use sample data <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333>
16:38 mbalmer      it's about sex, instead of com(erce) or org(anisation), but so what?
16:38 wizzyrea     so it *is* worth thinking about.
16:38 mbalmer      why is .xxx special?
16:38 wizzyrea     mbalmer - we have already had issues with unfriendly corporations buying up our domain names
16:38 rhcl         mbalmer: no, but .xxx is special
16:38 rhcl         just wanted to lay the idea out there
16:37 mbalmer      think of the many TLDs that are there.  do you want reserve each and every one?
16:37 magnuse      nah, how would they get confused?
16:37 mbalmer      it's money making only.
16:37 paul_p       oleonard, it took me 20mn to decide what to do with 7330 ...
16:37 wizzyrea     "I was only looking for library management systems!"
16:37 oleonard     But honestly, is anyone going to really get confused?
16:37 rhcl         yea, the whole point I think
16:37 wizzyrea     O.O
16:37 wizzyrea     (it's actually not a bad idea... better to have it ourselves than have someone get... confused)
16:36 oleonard     smutty romances?
16:36 wizzyrea     anime?
16:36 rhcl         graphic novels?
16:36 rhcl         I see lots of schools are buying up their .xxx equivalent.
16:36 mbalmer      the shady books...
16:36 * wizzyrea   wonders what kind of things we'd keep there
16:35 oleonard     Hawt
16:35 rhcl         so has anybody considered buying up the koha-community.xxx domain name?
16:33 wizzyrea     epic subject is epic!
16:32 asaurat      tschüss!
16:25 magnuse      \o/
16:22 chris_n      oops
16:22 jenkins_koha wizzyrea: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love pecan turtles!
16:22 wizzyrea     !jenkins botsnack pecan turtles
16:22 chris_n      !hudson botsnack pecan turtles
16:21 chris_n      !botsnack pecan turtles
16:20 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm"
16:20 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token"
16:20 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
16:20 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token"
16:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #573: FIXED in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/573/
16:20 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
15:59 maximep      because his old system was full of them
15:59 chris_n      and the client writes the paycheck ;-)
15:59 chris_n      hehe
15:59 maximep      yeah but it seems the client likes to have unfeatures
15:58 magnuse      wizzyrea++
15:58 wizzyrea     I agree - I will go ahead and do that
15:58 kf           maximep: always remember stopwords are an unfeature! :)
15:58 libsysguy    so no to the IDF algorithm :'(
15:58 kf           thx!
15:58 chris_n      have fun
15:58 chris_n      kf++
15:58 kf           bye all
15:58 kf           xmas market time :)
15:58 chris_n      wizzyrea: we should probably submit a patch to remove that test for the time being
15:57 maximep      so i have no idea how that test works :S
15:56 maximep      looks like the stopwords don't work at all in 3.6 for us
15:56 libsysguy    :D
15:56 libsysguy    it would essentially rank stop words so low that they wouldn't matter
15:55 libsysguy    we could just run an IDF algorithm on the collection
15:55 asaurat      but is it still useful as is ?
15:55 libsysguy    i just did stopwords in class
15:55 asaurat      yep, I guess so
15:55 libsysguy    oh oh
15:54 kf           the hiding and such
15:54 kf           I think this was all by intention
15:54 * wizzyrea   checks that
15:54 maximep      hmmm i could ask my coworker that had to answer this question a few weeks ago
15:54 wizzyrea     you're probably right - and good point about the gui
15:53 asaurat      which parts of Koha still use Stopwords ? looks to me that zebra doesn't use them, and the GUI used to modify them is hidden except when koha is configured in Nozebra afaik ?!
15:52 wizzyrea     chris_n: I'm glad you found that db useful :D
15:52 nengard      :)
15:51 wizzyrea     keke
15:51 wahanui      stopwords is, like, one of those mad schemes that has persisted needlessly
15:51 chris_n      stopwords?
15:51 chris_n      tests should probably be language agnostic
15:51 chris_n      probably a good idea
15:51 maximep      stopwords are just a mess
15:51 * wizzyrea   considered just nuking the tests
15:51 chris_n      and regrets that he opted out of french in high school
15:51 wizzyrea     so...
15:51 wizzyrea     but - i couldn't find a place to add them
15:51 * chris_n    looks paul_p's direction
15:50 wizzyrea     that's what I was thinking
15:50 chris_n      I wonder if it is looking for french stop words then?
15:50 chris_n      french
15:50 chris_n      hmm
15:49 wizzyrea     I think it has to do with stopwords
15:49 wizzyrea     i'm going to make a new one when I figure it out
15:49 * chris_n    gets out his magnifying glass
15:49 wizzyrea     it
15:49 wizzyrea     right, that one doesn't have whatever search.t wants in
15:49 chris_n      so this is a great improvement :-)
15:49 chris_n      before I was seeing multiple failures
15:48 chris_n      I just loaded the data set you attached to 7333
15:48 wizzyrea     was/is
15:48 wizzyrea     why was it failing
15:48 wizzyrea     the search.t test
15:48 chris_n      ?
15:48 wizzyrea     was it something you had to have in your test db?
15:48 wizzyrea     I've been fighting that one too
15:48 chris_n      but not quite there yet
15:47 chris_n      better than before
15:47 maximep      oh, maybe I should now take time to make my jenkins tests pass now that they pass for the commuity =)
15:47 chris_n      Result: FAIL
15:47 chris_n      Files=28, Tests=350, 21 wallclock secs ( 0.23 usr  0.25 sys + 14.93 cusr  1.96 csys = 17.37 CPU)
15:47 chris_n      Non-zero exit status: 1
15:47 chris_n      Failed test:  4
15:47 chris_n      t/db_dependent/Search.t              (Wstat: 256 Tests: 4 Failed: 1)
15:47 chris_n      -------------------
15:47 chris_n      Test Summary Report
15:47 chris_n      :-(
15:47 * chris_n    slurps up new data
15:42 kf           yay :)
15:40 oleonard     Better than average one though, it included cake.
15:39 * oleonard   is back from a morning meeting
15:39 * oleonard   takes it gratefully
15:39 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Cleaning up tests to use sample data
15:39 kf           bug 7333
15:39 kf           ah
15:39 * chris_n    hand the coffee to oleonard
15:38 chris_n      I'm using the sample data and have many fails on tests jenkins passes
15:38 kf           stil had it in my folder this morning :)
15:38 chris_n      hmm
15:38 kf           trying to remember the bug.
15:38 kf           I think basically it's using the sample data we have when you tick all checkboxes during installation
15:38 chris_n      kf: link please :-)
15:38 kf           chris_n: I used it for testing the SIP tests and had no fails
15:37 kf           chris_n: she attached one to a bug that works nicely
15:36 chris_n      paul_p: I think maybe wizzyrea is working up a test db which will make all db_dependent tests happy
15:30 rhcl         *watching ssh discussion
15:27 jenkins_koha Starting build 573 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #571 21 h ago)
15:20 mbalmer      kf, thanks!
15:20 mbalmer      libsysguy, much more crucial to security is NOT to use password, challenge response or Pam, but only keys...
15:20 kf           mbalmer: it's included
15:19 kf           it didn't fail when I was testing
15:19 kf           the tt test
15:19 kf           I am not sure reverting the second is the best way
15:19 kf           hm
15:18 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7698ce6e016d6006449814c9bf73e58dd231fc11> / Revert "Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8df873c1a298d9c7e4283372201466d28fa1a784> / Revert "Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token" <
15:18 mbalmer      libsysguy, maybe a matter of taste, dunno.  I and my *BSD colleagues have no problems using root directly.  allows you to automate thinks
15:18 mbalmer      btw, is SIP2 included in master or do I have instal a third party package?
15:17 libsysguy    mbalmer just always heard it was best practice
15:17 paul_p       should be enough to have jenkins happy ;-) (with reverting the SIP_ILS stuff)
15:17 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
15:16 paul_p       kf, i'll also revert Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token, because the tests is failing
15:16 mbalmer      no.  why?
15:16 libsysguy    yeah but isn't it a better practice to ssh as a user and just use sudo
15:16 kf           noted in my test that it needs the sample database to work, but was not aware how jenkins works
15:16 kf           paul_p: the tests fail because they are db_dependant
15:15 kf           paul_p: hm not quite true
15:15 mbalmer      (says an ex-openbsd/openssh developer)
15:15 paul_p       kf: reverting failing tests now. seems code is not broken, it's tests that are broken ;-)
15:15 mbalmer      sshing as root is perfectly fine.
15:15 libsysguy    but shame for ssh-ing as root mbalmer
15:14 libsysguy    that is what I was thinking
15:14 kf           wrong window? ;)
15:14 kf           hm
15:14 mbalmer      ssh root@gw.vnode.ch wake sis2 biblio
15:13 magnuse      heh
15:11 mbalmer      for waking hours we have http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?wake++NetBSD-current
15:11 magnuse      every waking hour here ;-)
15:11 mbalmer      15 - 10 = 5?? 4?? -> there has to be time for lunch, too
15:10 maximep      9 to 18 here :/
15:10 magnuse      lucky you!
15:10 mbalmer      I only need 4 hours for what others need 8 ;P
15:10 magnuse      yay
15:10 mbalmer      I start at 10 and stop at 15.
15:09 magnuse      (starting at 8)
15:08 magnuse      no, that's norwegians - half past three if we can get away with it
15:07 kf           I wish...
15:07 mbalmer      s/ar/at/
15:07 mbalmer      kf, don't germans stop to work ar four?  *duck*
15:07 maximep      it feels like friday here with all the snow and christmas coming up
15:04 magnuse      (at least the first part)
15:04 magnuse      rangi and eythian and several others would not agree with that, i think ;-)
15:02 kf           it's not friday yet! back to work everyone
15:02 kf           lol
15:00 huginn`      New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7356] FIx various typos and mis-spellings <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7356>
14:51 maximep      and hi to you :p
14:51 magnuse      lol
14:51 libsysguy    hehe ascii YMCA
14:50 libsysguy    \o/ /\o/\ o[ /o\
14:50 maximep      17 ?! wow
14:50 magnuse      i have ~17 very-very low traffic installtions (my "gratis koha" project) running off the packages on a 512MB "slice" on slicehost, without any apparent problems
14:50 libsysguy    o/
14:47 maximep      Ô_ô
14:46 mbalmer      768MB here, but only three books in my two libraries ;)
14:46 maximep      I would not even try running koha with less than 1.5 gigs of ram, but maybe there's ways to config apache to take less
14:44 magnuse      2k records = nothing ;-) you don't need a lot of power for that, unless there will be massice amounts of searching going on
14:44 chris_n      $$$$
14:44 maximep      we just upgraded our servers to really fast SSDs. I have never seen koha go as fast :D
14:43 bigbrovar    chris_n, sure, am doing that now :)
14:43 chris_n      bigbrovar: search the list as well, this has been discussed there many times
14:43 bigbrovar    looking at 2000 records
14:43 magnuse      bigbrovar: depends on number of records and level of use
14:42 maximep      oh man, don't know if koha could run on a 512 megs vps
14:42 bigbrovar    Hi guys, If I was going to install koha on a vps, what should be the recommended specification in terms of hard disk, ram and processing power.
14:41 chris_n      wants even
14:41 * chris_n    want snow!
14:41 magnuse      a light sprinkling of snow here - niiiice ;-)
14:40 maximep      tons of snow here. fuuuun =)
14:40 huginn`      magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (3:20 PM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 28.88 in 978 hPa (Steady).
14:40 magnuse      @wunder boo
14:40 mbalmer      erlinsbach, pffft…..
14:40 maximep      is ykg -_-
14:39 maximep      lol Kangirsuk
14:39 huginn`      mbalmer: The current temperature in Erlinsbach, Switzerland is 6.0�C (2:59 PM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising).
14:39 mbalmer      @wunder gipf-oberfrick
14:39 huginn`      maximep: The current temperature in Kangirsuk, Quebec is -15.0�C (9:00 AM EST on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: -25.0�C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
14:39 maximep      @wunder yqc
14:36 kf           paul_p: I mean reverting the first part because the second is not ready yet
14:36 kf           paul_p: for the sip thing - the patch must be moved into the other directory because it needs sample data, but I failed that patch because it does not work - probably reverting the last patch and wait for the complete fix could work
14:35 mbalmer      puuh, patch handling is difficult...
14:35 kf           paul_p: I might know why
14:32 nengard      that's what i thought
14:31 paul_p       nengard, not sure, but almost sure it's based on regular calendar days (no holidays taken in account)
14:30 magnuse      nengard: sorry
14:30 nengard      paul_p chris_n magnuse anyone know the answer to this "does ReservesMaxPickUpDelay use the calendar in Koha - or is it based on just regular calendar days?"
14:27 magnuse      ah ;-)
14:26 nengard      so we log out quick
14:26 nengard      magnuse when we're training we like to pop in and show people around, but don't want to be distracted by all the #koha fun :)
14:26 nengard      I think I know the answer but want to confirm
14:26 nengard      does ReservesMaxPickUpDelay use the calendar in Koha - or is it based on just regular calendar days?
14:22 mbalmer      hmm, my 'pgsql' branches produces no diff yet, bad.
14:07 * chris_n    waves at the dust of sekjal
14:06 magnuse      hehe, that was quick
14:06 sekjal       gtg; doing a training for some librarians in NH
14:05 sekjal       hi, magnuse
14:05 magnuse      hiya sekjal
14:04 chris_n      unstable--
14:04 chris_n      kf++
14:04 chris_n      ouch
14:03 magnuse      lol
14:03 paul_p       good morning schuster
14:03 paul_p       schuster, it's because jenkins is back to unstable
14:03 asaurat      :D
14:02 schuster     Never good when you step into a chat with the first comment being yikes... :)
14:02 paul_p       yikes...
13:59 magnuse      unstable, eh?
13:59 magnuse      kf++
13:50 kf           jenkins... you interrupted...
13:49 jenkins_koha * duncan: Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm
13:49 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
13:49 kf           German translation for 3.6.2 updated and complete
13:49 jenkins_koha * chrish: Added missing reference case to Boolean.t and corrected count
13:49 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: welcome to Duncan Tyler, developer 166 !
13:49 jenkins_koha * chrish: Added missing reference case to Boolean.t and corrected count
13:49 jenkins_koha * chrish: Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token
13:49 jenkins_koha * duncan: Added unit tests for Scrubber
13:49 jenkins_koha * duncan: Added unit test for AuthoritiesMarc/UNIMARC.pm
13:49 jenkins_koha * duncan: Added unit tests for Sip Checksum.pm
13:49 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7185 Fixing typo in release notes
13:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #572: UNSTABLE in 51 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/572/
13:49 kf           ok, now: Hah!
13:46 mbalmer      next time I will.
13:46 mbalmer      ja ja ja ;)
13:45 kf           and git commit --amend them once you have the bug number ;)
13:45 kf           you can do that
13:45 kf           is also the subject of the mail if you send them
13:45 mbalmer      well, I did the patches before I opened a bug (lame excuse...)
13:45 kf           the first line of your commit message
13:45 kf           yes
13:45 mbalmer      you mean in the committ message?
13:44 kf           but the bug number in your subject lines next time ;)
13:44 kf           at the risk of making you scream at me...
13:44 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7356 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, marc, NEW , FIx various typos and mis-spellings
13:44 mbalmer      so my typo patches for the the bug 7356 ar updated, pls check wether the developpers like them.
13:43 kf           or only a syntax the translation parser is worried about
13:42 kf           %s %s [%% DEFAULT loopro.itemcallnumber="No Call Number" loopro.barcode="No Barcode" loopro.title="NO TITLE" loopro.author="" %%] %s
13:42 kf           that's not good
13:42 kf           ohoh
13:41 kf           ok, missed something...
13:41 kf           hah!
13:35 huginn`      New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5533] marking item lost diff in two places <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533>
13:34 mbalmer      but git is amazingly powerful.
13:31 mbalmer      at least no harm done here, unlike when you hack kernel code ...
13:30 mbalmer      chris_n, you always have to see these things as kind of a computer game, sometimes you win, sometime the machine does ;)
13:30 kf           :)
13:30 chris_n      hurray!
13:29 magnuse      yay!
13:29 * chris_n    concurs with kf's suggested 'git checkout -b foo' prior to messing with things
13:29 * mbalmer    is a happy man again
13:29 mbalmer      hoho, that works
13:29 magnuse      chris_n: sounds like sound advice ;-)
13:28 bigbrovar    magnuse, hi :)
13:28 * chris_n    thinks one should keep one's git well fed and happy lest it turn viciously on one at an unexpected moment ;-)
13:28 kf           or the commitid of the last patch you don't want
13:28 kf           yep
13:27 magnuse      i think chris_n suggested 'git rebase -i HEAD~X' where X is the number of commits you want to work with...
13:26 mbalmer      then rebase
13:26 mbalmer      else you get all the committs from others as well.
13:26 mbalmer      ok, for the record:  before doing a 'git rebase -i …' to a git rebase master
13:25 magnuse      no, never!
13:25 kf           well... as long as you don't doubt koha?
13:25 kf           magnuse: you doubt the world? ohoh!
13:25 * magnuse    loves perl and git but has his doubts about the world in general... ;-)
13:25 * mbalmer    thinks perl is a SM game
13:24 * kf         likes perl and loves git :)
13:24 mbalmer      git rebase --abort sucks less ;)
13:24 kf           but it will probably not make you friends here
13:24 kf           you could metnion it
13:24 kf           well...
13:24 mbalmer      did I already mention that git sucks, perl sucks, the world sucks …. ;)
13:23 kf           I meant branch out from the branch with your changes you are trying to fix
13:23 kf           not sure how to revert a squash
13:23 mbalmer      yeah, I am on a new branch.
13:23 kf           git checkout -b ...
13:22 kf           if you are trying something new a new branch is often good
13:22 kf           ouch
13:21 mbalmer      ah fuck, not it squashed about 30 committs into one.
13:20 chris_n      you'll see them in the editor when you run the rebase
13:20 chris_n      there are some additional options since that article (2009) as well I think
13:19 mbalmer      yes, looks so.  just reading up the article magnuse posted
13:18 chris_n      interactive rebase may be the cleanest way to get back where you want to be
13:18 chris_n      hmm
13:18 mbalmer      but I guess squashing these commits into one should work
13:17 mbalmer      I uses patch -R.
13:17 mbalmer      no.
13:17 chris_n      mbalmer: did you actually do a 'git revert'?
13:16 marcelr      reapply with your file (not manually)
13:16 * chris_n    loves 'git rebase -i HEAD~X' where X is the number of commits I want to mess with
13:16 mbalmer      new checkout an re-apply sounds like stupid duplication of work.  there must be a better way.
13:15 magnuse      i'm no expert there, but e.g. http://gitready.com/advanced/2009/02/10/squashing-commits-with-rebase.html looks useful
13:15 mbalmer      yes, exactly
13:15 marcelr      probably you are better off with git reset to head and selective reapply
13:14 magnuse      sounds like you have two commits then. you might want to squash them into one
13:14 marcelr      you can also git format-patch -1 to get only one commit
13:13 mbalmer      I reverted part of a diff, then committet that and reformatted, but now I get two patches:  one that changes to much and a second one that reverts part of the first
13:12 marcelr      but it is quick and dirty-practive
13:11 marcelr      mbalmer: if you cut a whole diff section from the patch file, reapply and git-format, it should work
13:04 mbalmer      how should I handle this?
13:04 mbalmer      I have a git problem wrt my typo patches:  I reverted part of my changes, to not change .po files.  But now I get even more patches with 'git format-patch origin'.
12:58 kmkale       BBL
12:58 kmkale       gotta run
12:57 jenkins_koha Starting build 572 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:54 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ca007a9237954d2497080448586f721da6701a8> / Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=06c822c37ce91e5936542990d7e3299e14271bd3> / Added missing reference case to Boolean.t and corrected count <http://git.koha-community.org
12:53 magnuse      and yes, starting to use 3.2.x and then do the upgrade later on will be scarier
12:53 magnuse      well, 3.2.5 has been in production for a long time in lots of libraries - and libraries are just starting to move to 3.6.x - but i'd still say go for 3.6.1 - it has tons of bugfixes and new features
12:52 kmkale       so it will be easier for you to keep updated
12:52 kmkale       Suzzane: better go with 3.6 as there are major differences after 3.4 version
12:51 magnuse      then you get to do a clean web installation again
12:51 Suzzane      as compared to version 3.6.1
12:51 magnuse      if there is no point in keeping what is in the database i would empty that and then follow the description here http://paste.koha-community.org/156 but skip the last part that starts with "Koha 3.4.x or later  no longer stores items..."
12:51 Suzzane      how stable is the version 3.2.5
12:49 kmkale       Suzzane: hah if there is no data its simple. Do a fresh install
12:49 Suzzane      and currently, there is no data stored into the system
12:49 kmkale       Suzzane: http://paste.koha-community.org/156
12:48 Suzzane      how am I going to upgrade to the new and stable version
12:48 Suzzane      our koha is running on ubuntu 10.10, and it was installed via a kohalivecd
12:48 magnuse      hiya bigbrovar
12:46 kmkale       Suzzane: http://paste.koha-community.org/156
12:46 pastebot     "kmkale" at pasted "Upgrade from 3.2.x to 3.4 and upwards" (36 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/156
12:45 magnuse      make sure you have a good backup of the database before you proceed
12:45 Suzzane      susan
12:45 kmkale       it has clear instructions to upgrade
12:45 magnuse      Suzzane: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL;h=c4e51bc5dc5c2e86cb8ba5596d6a0d3a331de542;hb=HEAD#l62
12:44 Suzzane      i work with Suan
12:44 Suzzane      Kale, this is the programmer
12:44 kmkale       the INSTALL file with the download has a upgrade section in it.
12:43 Suzzane      how do you go about doing that?
12:43 kmkale       yes it is
12:42 Suzzane      our programmer is asking if its possible to upgrade from version 3.2.5 to version 3.6.1
12:42 kmkale       hi Suzzane :)
12:42 Suzzane      kmkale, hi... Susan from Kenya here
12:41 jcamins_away Bye!
12:41 jcamins_away oleonard++
12:41 jcamins_away And I think oleonard wrote another patch.
12:41 jcamins_away kmkale: the code is almost identical, I just moved it to a different file.
12:40 kmkale       many changes
12:39 kmkale       yikes!!
12:39 jcamins_away Have a good day, #koha. I'll be back this afternoon.
12:38 jcamins_away Hey, isn't it kind of late where you are?
12:36 jcamins_away I couldn't figure out how to keep your sign offs. :(
12:35 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
12:35 jcamins_away kmkale: good morning. There's a new version of the bug 1633 patches to sign off on.
12:35 kmkale       hi jcamins_away :)
12:33 jcamins_away indradg++ # nice response on the list
11:32 Suzzane      thanks let me do that
11:32 Suzzane      ok
11:32 mbalmer      take a look around http://www.koha-community.org/
11:30 Suzzane      kindly tell me where do we go to download the 3.6.1
11:30 Suzzane      nice
11:30 kf_mtg       ok, time for lunch :)
11:29 kf_mtg       which will have a lot of small improvments too
11:29 kf_mtg       and soon we will have 3.6.2
11:29 kf_mtg       3.6.1 is the current stable version
11:29 kf_mtg       yes
11:29 Suzzane      he is asking if the 3.6 version is stable
11:28 Suzzane      version
11:28 Suzzane      but we need the 3.6
11:28 Suzzane      our programmer happened to download the Koha 3.2.5
11:28 Suzzane      sorry, caps
11:28 Suzzane      KINDLY GUIDE ME ON THIS ONE
11:28 Suzzane      Hi AmitG
11:27 AmitG        heya Suzzane
11:27 Suzzane      anybody home.....
11:27 Suzzane      a quick on
11:26 Suzzane      Hi everyone.....
11:13 huginn`      New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5347] late order management <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347>
10:45 kmkale       marcelr you are welcome.
10:28 marcelr      kmkale: thx for signing off 6302
10:21 ronald       hello Koha
10:14 huginn`      kmkale: Quote #159: "slef: WELCOME TO HOOGERLAND. POPULATION: HEROES" (added by wizzyrea at 05:00 PM, September 23, 2011)
10:14 kmkale       @quote random
10:14 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn`.
10:14 huginn`      kmkale: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
10:14 kmkale       @quote random
10:14 huginn`      kmkale: Quote #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits" (added by gmcharlt at 05:57 PM, January 27, 2011)
10:14 kmkale       @quote random
10:13 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn`.
10:13 huginn`      kmkale: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
10:13 kmkale       @quote random
10:08 * kmkale     is wondering if magnuse's patch testing machine is up and running again ;)
10:07 kmkale       rangi++ #for http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/12/15/fixing-whitespace-when-apply-patches-with-git/
10:06 magnuse      community++
10:05 kmkale       and all folks who contributed to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
10:04 kmkale       it should be git_bz++
10:03 magnuse      kmkale++
10:03 magnuse      yay
10:03 * kmkale     is surprised at how easy it was to use git bz to apply, test and sign off a couple of patches :-D
09:56 hdl          hi
09:27 AmitG        gaetan_B in hindi
09:24 gaetan_B     kya hal hai?
09:24 gaetan_B     hi AmitG
09:23 AmitG        heya gaetan_B
09:21 AmitG        heya frnacharb
09:14 Oak          later
09:14 Oak          time for class
09:04 magnuse      hiya francharb
09:04 francharb    hi
09:04 francharb    by the way
09:02 magnuse      yeah, but that page has some pointer related how the .po files etc work
09:01 kf_mtg       meeting time
09:01 kf           grr
09:01 * kf         nick kf_mtg
09:01 mbalmer      magnuse, fwiw, I am not translating, I am correcting the english spellos and typos
09:00 magnuse      but that page could have been a lot more useful
09:00 magnuse      some pointers can be found here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Translating_Koha
09:00 mbalmer      oh, nice hint, thanks!
08:59 kf           mbalmer: if you want to update the po files to check your changes: perl translate update de-DE in ...misc/translator
08:59 magnuse      probably way too early for him...
08:59 AmitG_       chris_n around?
08:57 mbalmer      ok, so will recreate my typo diffs without the po files later today
08:56 kf           some things get marked fuzzy, new strings have to be translated
08:56 * kf         is translating the changes for 3.6.2 right now
08:56 kf           the po files will be updated
08:56 kf           but yes, if you update the english templates
08:56 kf           I am not sure how the magic works
08:55 mbalmer      how will that be matched to existing .po files?
08:55 mbalmer      so when I change text in a template, Pootle will create new po files from them?
08:54 kf           the software used there
08:54 kf           translate.koha-community.org
08:54 wahanui      rumour has it Pootle is down for me - can someone else check
08:54 mbalmer      what is Pootle?
08:48 mbalmer      hmm, so .po files are autogenereated, nice, back to the table with my patches then
08:48 magnuse      jcamins++
08:48 magnuse      so...
08:47 magnuse      yeah, he is
08:47 kf           well, he is always awesome, right?
08:47 kf           :)
08:46 magnuse      what did he do now?
08:45 kf           jcamins++
08:34 kf           :P
08:33 Oak          hehe
08:33 Oak          thank you kf. we are happy to be back with you again.
08:27 AmitG        heya kf :D
08:27 magnuse      namaste AmitG
08:27 kf           hi magnuse :) and AmitG
08:27 AmitG        hi magnuse
08:26 magnuse      wb kf
08:26 sdaugherty   still not asleep, fwiw, I saved my history so I can use it to write up documentation for anyone else in same situation
08:24 kf           hi again #koha :)
08:24 kf           it's me coming back...
08:24 kf           hm
08:24 kf           wb #koha
08:22 gaetan_B     hello!
08:16 magnuse      no problem, just joking ;-)
08:16 mbalmer      sorry, I had troubles with my IRC client (Colloquy on Mac)
08:15 * magnuse    hands mbalmer the velcro
08:09 asaurat      hi!
08:09 marcelr      hi Oak
08:09 Oak          hello marcelr, asaurat :)
08:08 magnuse      Oak
08:08 Oak          magnuse
08:02 marcelr      hi magnuse
08:02 magnuse      hiya marcelr
08:02 marcelr      hello koha
08:02 magnuse      yup
08:02 * eythian    leaves it to look at another time
08:02 eythian      I guess the packages are rewriting that somehow.
08:02 wahanui      interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
08:02 eythian      OK, interesting
08:01 magnuse      on a non-package install the files are present, no errors in firebug console
08:01 magnuse      have fun eythian
08:00 eythian      cya
08:00 magnuse      yay
08:00 magnuse      same 404s when i choose en as language
08:00 eythian      but now I can go, I have a rebuild-zebra running, and that's the last thing for today, and it can run on its own.
08:00 eythian      probably effects, based on the name.
07:59 magnuse      i wonder what those two files are supposed to do
07:59 eythian      I'd have to compare it to a non-package install.
07:59 eythian      perhaps those errors show up there too then
07:58 magnuse      same thing, no plugins folder
07:58 eythian      what about in the en equivalent
07:57 magnuse      when i look in http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/nb-NO/lib/yui/ there is lots of stuff there, but no folder called "plugins"
07:56 wahanui      niihau, julian_m
07:56 julian_m     hi
07:56 sophie_m     Guten Morgen cait
07:56 magnuse      it doesn't seem to do any harm, so we might just leave it alone
07:56 cait         and bbiab
07:56 eythian      but, have a look to make sure the yui stuff is copied/linked into place
07:56 cait         hi sophie_m
07:56 sophie_m     hi magnuse
07:56 magnuse      bonjour sophie_m
07:56 magnuse      hehe
07:56 sophie_m     hello #koha
07:56 eythian      I'm hoping it'll be fixed by yui going away :)
07:56 magnuse      not sure if it's the same for the official packages
07:55 magnuse      yeah...
07:55 eythian      something about something something symlinks something,.
07:55 magnuse      jcamins saw the same thing
07:55 eythian      I've seen that I think.
07:55 magnuse      and then: YAHOO.widget.Loading is undefined
07:55 eythian      hmm
07:55 magnuse      "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/nb-NO/lib/yui/plugins/loading-min.js"
07:55 magnuse      "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/nb-NO/lib/yui/plugins/bubbling-min.js"
07:55 magnuse      the firebug consoles shows some 404s:
07:54 magnuse      when i look at http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl
07:54 eythian      No promises though.
07:54 eythian      I might have an answer.
07:54 * kmkale     cold do a sign-off or two today if its simple enough
07:54 magnuse      eythian: i have a package-related question...
07:53 magnuse      but i don't think it's that simple
07:53 eythian      haha
07:53 magnuse      stuffing themselves with butter
07:53 magnuse      they blame it on the low carb people
07:53 kmkale       :-D
07:52 magnuse      at least it proves you can have lots of money in the bank and still run out of butter
07:52 magnuse      i don't know what we are doing wrong...
07:52 kmkale       magnuse: really?
07:52 magnuse      :-)
07:51 cait         I am sure we have too
07:51 cait         what?
07:51 eythian      I'm sure we have spare butter.
07:51 magnuse      namaskar kmkale
07:51 magnuse      eythian: yeah, i know, it's... mindboggling
07:51 kmkale       Namaste magnuse :)
07:50 kmkale       back
07:46 eythian      http://i.imgur.com/3Ovfi.png <-- magnus_away!
07:43 cait         good night sdaugherty
07:42 sdaugherty   sleep!
07:42 sdaugherty   it's 2:42am for me.
07:41 sdaugherty   Maybe tomorrow. Going to shutter what I have right now in case I've left something exposed that shouldn't be.
07:41 cait         hi reiveune :)
07:40 reiveune     hi rangi, cait, everybody
07:39 rangi        hi reiveune
07:38 reiveune     hello
07:35 eythian      and done, that was much faster
07:35 rangi        eythian: good plan :)
07:34 * eythian    cheats and dumps the borrowers from the other database
07:34 cait         sdaugherty: ah, you should perhaps install 3.6.1
07:34 sdaugherty   ok... situation requires more nicotine... brb
07:34 eythian      ah
07:33 wahanui      the patch is in koha-patches
07:33 rangi        the patch
07:32 eythian      rangi: what did you do to make that import work?
07:32 sdaugherty   koha-3.04.07
07:32 eythian      ah crap, it timed out.
07:31 cait         sdaugherty: which version are you installing?
07:31 rangi        i signed it off
07:31 eythian      sdaugherty: do you need to do a git update?
07:31 rangi        i think its been signed off
07:31 sdaugherty   Getting farther. :)
07:31 eythian      cait: is it need of that?
07:30 sdaugherty   Undefined subroutine &main::setlanguagecookie called at install.pl line 25.
07:30 cait         sign off? :)
07:29 eythian      really need that patch to speed up the borrower import. Damn it's slow.
07:24 sdaugherty   ahh... yeah, have to convert all the scriptalias directives to rewrite
06:41 sdaugherty   ok... next round of entertainment! :)
06:36 sdaugherty   I'll have to figure out the htaccess stuff in a few, but I need to smoke first :)
06:35 sdaugherty   I'll clean it later once all it working
06:35 eythian      ah, then you're fine :)
06:35 sdaugherty   I don't think I'm going to be terribly concerned at this stage, they advertise no storage limit
06:35 sdaugherty   hmm. /dev/sdb1             3.6T  161G  3.4T   5% /home
06:34 eythian      if you clean up your source stuff when you're done, you'll get a lot back
06:34 eythian      including mysql
06:34 eythian      I just did an install and everything was about 600MB or so.
06:33 sdaugherty   1.9G    .
06:33 sdaugherty   [rijl-al-awwa]$ du -sh .
06:33 eythian      most of them are pretty small
06:33 sdaugherty   I hate to think how much disk space I just used with all those dependancies
06:33 cait         cool :)
06:32 sdaugherty   ok, I've gotten as far as successful make install on koha
06:31 cait         accidently_overwriting_my_test_database--
06:31 cait         meh
06:30 sdaugherty   my labels are preprinted, so that hopefully won't be an issue for a while.
06:29 cait         pdf generation is only needed for acquisitions orders and label printing - not sure which uses that module
06:28 eythian      or install it by hand
06:28 eythian      you can possibly skip that if you're not going to need PDF generation.
06:27 eythian      I don't think its path should have 'inc' at the start
06:27 eythian      that looks to me like an error in the module
06:27 sdaugherty   Ok. only one module I'm stuck on now. http://paste.koha-community.org/155
06:24 eythian      new koha server built, now just to wait for the DNS to tick over and it's hopefully all good.
06:24 sdaugherty   Successfully installed Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.28
06:21 kmkale       bbl
06:17 sdaugherty   yaz built, zebra building
06:14 sdaugherty   well, positive sign, configure script recognizes --prefix
06:12 * sdaugherty tries the obvious, and downloads them and runs configure with --prefix=$HOME
06:10 rangi        is where they live
06:10 rangi        indexdata.dk
06:09 rangi        but yeah, if you dont have yaz and zebra, you wont be able to get a working koha up
06:08 rangi        partially, but you have to actually try to install zebra first
06:08 sdaugherty   ERROR: Unable to call script: yaz-config
06:08 sdaugherty   let me guess, something like:
06:07 sdaugherty   we;lll see
06:04 rangi        yeah, its what koha uses to index the marc records
06:04 wahanui      i think zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra.
06:04 sdaugherty   zebra?
06:04 rangi        if not, try openbiblio :)
06:04 rangi        but if you cna get past that, then you should be ok
06:03 rangi        if you get stuck, the last person to try shared hosting failed at the zebra stage
06:03 rangi        but its a ton smaller
06:02 * rangi      cant vouch for it
06:02 rangi        http://obiblio.sourceforge.net/ maybe
06:01 eythian      which is no good for you
06:01 eythian      no, it gets you the packages
06:01 eythian      oh
06:00 eythian      there is a script that should get you all the dependencies
06:00 sdaugherty   The other ones I found seemed to have ruby dependancies that were much more complex, but no, I probably don't need all the functionality.
05:59 rangi        it might be easier to use one of the smaller free software ils?
05:59 rangi        and do you need all the features koha has?
05:58 sdaugherty   Actually, this is donated hosting.
05:58 sdaugherty   Sadly, it's not.
05:58 cait         sdaugherty is trying to install on shared hosting
05:58 sdaugherty   I wish a VPS was in my budget.
05:57 rangi        pulls in all the dependencies, a ton easier
05:57 sdaugherty   lol
05:56 rangi        thats why i install it using the debian package :)
05:55 * sdaugherty looks at all the dependancies... wow
05:51 rangi        only sorta here until the kids are asleep
05:51 rangi        thanks cait
05:46 cait         wb rangi
05:46 sdaugherty   ok. working through the module dependancies now.
05:45 rangi        *sigh*
05:39 cait         or only old?
05:37 sdaugherty   The wiki apparently lies.
05:37 sdaugherty   This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
05:27 eythian      also, they'll need a newer version of Koha to work with than 5.8, Koha requires 5.10 now.
05:26 sdaugherty   installing local::lib so that I can do non-root CPAN installs.
05:23 eythian      basically, you need to make it use a separate tablespace or you get tables that never shrink when they're emptied out.
05:23 eythian      well, in that case, it's their problem :)
05:23 eythian      hello
05:23 Oak          Hello Mr. Robin
05:23 * sdaugherty nods, especially since dreamhost doesn't put mysql on the same machine as apache.
05:22 eythian      well, you need to change the mysql config slightly
05:22 cait         hey eythian :)
05:22 cait         koha works fine with current mysql versons
05:21 cait         I don't think you need the changes to mysql
05:21 cait         hm 2007
05:20 eythian      it might be possible, but it wouldn't be easy
05:20 sdaugherty   http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Koha
05:20 cait         I am not aware of any other documentation for shared hosting
05:19 sdaugherty   My provider (dreamhost) has a halfway written document on it, which suggests it's possible, but unfortunately, it's far from complete.
05:18 cait         not sure it can be done on shared hosting, or at least it's probably not easy
05:18 cait         koha needs a lot of perl packages and cron jobs and things
05:18 cait         ah
05:17 sdaugherty   ie, using a web hosting provider, as opposed to a system I fully manage and have root on...
05:17 cait         sdaugherty: shared hosting?
05:15 sdaugherty   Are there any specific installation instructions for installing koha into shared hosting?
05:07 schuster     I think I will attempt again tomorrow it is too late to mess with this tonight thanks again rangi I had hoped to figure this out on my own but... :)
05:06 schuster     I believe what I need is the Option A Download Koha via Git.  This is where I always mess up!
05:05 schuster     rangi always tells me the right thing to do, but I can' never find the instructions!
04:57 Oak          howdy schuster :)
04:55 wahanui      schuster is from Plano, TX
04:55 bag          heya schuster
04:55 * rangi      will bbiab
04:55 rangi        and set it up to run from there
04:54 rangi        clone the repo
04:54 rangi        if u want to do dev
04:54 rangi        no you dont dowload stable
04:53 schuster     Yes I have done some of that, but I did the koha-common and now realize that I probably need to download stable and follow those manual instructions.  Things have changed!  Mostly for the better, but that piece is still confusing on the wiki if you want to do git development stuff.
04:49 cait         schuster: :) have you seen you can install all dependencies with the packages? very easy to set up a dev version now
04:49 rangi        heya AmitG
04:49 AmitG        heya rangi
04:48 schuster     I need to figure out this new template stuff and do some more research.  I have some things I need to submit that I've been playing with.
04:48 cait         hi AmitG
04:48 rangi        awesome thats good news for us
04:48 AmitG        heya cait
04:48 schuster     I'm usually up this late, but am now working on refocusing on Koha again.
04:48 rangi        yay!
04:48 schuster     hey - trying to get some grading done and a "development" version setup on an old Laptop...  Back to trying to make a difference!
04:47 rangi        you are up early/late schuster ?
04:47 cait         hi schuster
04:46 huginn`      schuster: The current temperature in Preston Lakes, Frisco, Texas is 17.8�C (10:46 PM CST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising).
04:46 schuster     @WUNDER 75035
04:41 huginn`      rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (5:00 PM NZDT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
04:41 cait         hi Judit :)
04:41 rangi        @wunder wellington nz
04:41 cait         tss.
04:41 Judit        :)
04:41 huginn`      cait: Error: No such location could be found.
04:41 cait         @wunder Wellington
04:41 huginn`      rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
04:40 rangi        @wunder welllington nz
04:40 cait         hi kmkale :)
04:39 kmkale       cait good morning :)
04:38 Oak          hm
04:38 huginn`      Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 7.0�C (9:00 AM PKT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
04:38 Oak          @wunder islamabad
04:38 huginn`      Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.9�C (5:34 AM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady).
04:38 Oak          @wunder Konstanz
04:37 cait         hi Oak :)
04:37 Oak          Guten Morgen Katrin :)
04:33 huginn`      New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7249] Report webservices <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7249>
04:33 kmkale       aahh seems its tyhe bug number ;)
04:31 kmkale       in git bz apply xxxx the xxxx stands for bug number or the attachement number in bugzilla?
04:30 * kmkale     is learning git bz
04:24 bag          thanks wahanui
04:23 bag          oh cool
04:23 wahanui      livecd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD
04:23 bag          livecd?
04:23 bag          livecd
04:23 bag          livecd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD
04:23 bag          live cd?
04:23 bag          like wahanui live cd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD
04:23 bag          anybody here know how to program wahanui ?
04:22 bag          live cd?
04:22 bag          livecd?
04:10 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date
04:10 kmkale       May I interest someone here to signoff on bug 6843? It is a very simple but useful enhancement
04:07 Sylence      kia ora Oak
04:07 Oak          kia ora #koha
03:55 AmitG        heya kmkale
03:55 bag          hiya kmkale
03:54 kmkale       Namaste bag & AmitG :-D
03:54 bag          yo AmitG
03:53 AmitG        heya bag
03:49 Judit        Hi kmkale
03:49 kmkale       Namaste rangi & Judit :)
03:49 Judit        thanks
03:49 kmkale       Namaskaar #koha
03:49 rangi        ah, i think no in that case
03:48 eythian      rangi: to use SMS, you need a username/pw of your provider
03:48 wahanui      ...but who is <reply>...
03:48 eythian      wahanui: the \who is a band
03:48 rangi        not sure what you mean by password
03:48 wahanui      the is probably a stop word
03:48 rangi        the who?
03:46 Judit        if you want to set up your koha to send sms messages- is there a web interface where you can add the username(phone number) password? i can see you can use the driver in a syspref
03:44 rangi        sleep well
03:44 sekjal       have a good <<localtime>>, #koha
03:43 sekjal       okay, time for sleep
03:42 rangi        but yeah thats the idea with the Koha:: namespace
03:42 rangi        with cgi not so much
03:42 rangi        yup, with persistance a lot
03:40 eythian      I wonder what sort of speed ups we'd get if we started passing things like item objects around, I reckon one issue must pull an item or a biblio from the database several times.
03:38 eythian      oh well, before long, it'll be like that never happened :)
03:38 eythian      ah, that'll do it.
03:38 rangi        before someone decided lets have nulls
03:37 rangi        it used to be the primary key
03:37 * eythian    goes back to removing the assumptions that all items will have barcodes.
03:37 eythian      public service announcement: things that are not primary keys should not be used as primary keys.
03:17 sekjal       some of it can be handled with default values in the ACQ framework
03:17 eythian      yeah, our one-branch libraries especially.
03:16 sekjal       that introduces extra steps into the process, though, which can be a negative for some
03:15 eythian      sekjal: there's an argument that things like that should be blank by default to force people to conciously choose something.
03:13 sekjal       when placing an order for a new material, shouldn't the home and holding branch values default to the currently logged in branch?
03:12 sekjal       can anyone in channel speak to the default values for new items created in Acquisitions?
02:43 jcamins_away :)
02:43 rangi        there ya go :)
02:42 wahanui      jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
02:42 jcamins_away wahanui: jcamins_away?
02:42 jcamins_away jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take \my word for it!
02:42 wahanui      jcamins_away: I forgot jcamins_away
02:42 jcamins_away wahanui: forget jcamins_away
02:42 rangi        try
02:42 jcamins_away Hm.
02:42 rangi        :)
02:42 wahanui      jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take jcamins_away's word for it!
02:42 jcamins_away jcamins_away?
02:42 jcamins_away jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
02:42 wahanui      jcamins_away: I forgot jcamins_away
02:42 jcamins_away wahanui: forget jcamins_away
02:41 rangi        hmm jransom even
02:41 wahanui      jcamins_away is, like, currently working on fixing a bug. or building packages, which have a number of changes from Master that could never make it into Koha proper (for good reason)
02:41 rangi        heya jcamins_away
02:41 eythian      http://youtu.be/Y4Q4tirAOmU
02:08 rangi        heh
02:07 jcamins_away rangi++
02:07 jcamins_away :)
02:07 jcamins_away rangi: argh! You had to wait until *after* I spent hours figuring out how to deal with whitespace errors to post that exceedingly informative blog post?
02:06 eythian      I'm not sure. I just saw that when grepping to see how it was used.
02:05 jcamins_away eythian: didn't there used to be two versions of that routine?
02:05 jcamins_away eythian: whoah!
01:58 eythian      holy dubious semantics batman!
01:58 eythian      opac/sco/sco-main.pl:        my ($renewokay, $renewerror) = CanBookBeIssued($borrower, $it->{'barcode'},'','');
01:58 eythian      opac/sco/sco-main.pl:        ( $impossible, $needconfirm ) = CanBookBeIssued( $borrower, $barcode );
01:58 * eythian    changes that
01:52 eythian      it annoys me that 'CanBookBeIssued' looks up the item number, and doesn't return it, requiring it to be looked up again.
01:48 BobB         Its a great resource.
01:48 BobB         exactly, I was showing one of our people a feature we'd like to replicate.  Now looking on his blog to find the 'how to'.
01:48 jcamins_away He does a lot of new and awesome things.
01:47 jcamins_away BobB: you could've been pointing out something new and awesome that oleonard did.
01:47 BobB         Doh!
01:46 BobB         I put that in the wrong channel, sorry.
01:46 BobB         LOL jcamins_away
01:46 jcamins_away BobB: what should I be looking at?
01:44 BobB         http://search.myacpl.org/
01:05 huginn`      New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7361] 'Default' encoding in staged marc import breaks diacritics <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7361>
00:56 eythian      http://youtu.be/S6LqcAlygNw
00:17 rangi        5 hours ish
00:15 rhcl         pretty quiet here rangi. How long before the Europeans start waking up?