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00:15 rhcl pretty quiet here rangi. How long before the Europeans start waking up?
00:17 rangi 5 hours ish
00:56 eythian http://youtu.be/S6LqcAlygNw
01:05 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7361] 'Default' encoding in staged marc import breaks diacritics <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7361>
01:44 BobB http://search.myacpl.org/
01:46 jcamins_away BobB: what should I be looking at?
01:46 BobB LOL jcamins_away
01:46 BobB I put that in the wrong channel, sorry.
01:47 BobB Doh!
01:47 jcamins_away BobB: you could've been pointing out something new and awesome that oleonard did.
01:48 jcamins_away He does a lot of new and awesome things.
01:48 BobB exactly, I was showing one of our people a feature we'd like to replicate. Now looking on his blog to find the 'how to'.
01:48 BobB Its a great resource.
01:52 eythian it annoys me that 'CanBookBeIssued' looks up the item number, and doesn't return it, requiring it to be looked up again.
01:58 * eythian changes that
01:58 eythian opac/sco/sco-main.pl: ( $impossible, $needconfirm ) = CanBookBeIssued( $borrower, $barcode );
01:58 eythian opac/sco/sco-main.pl: my ($renewokay, $renewerror) = CanBookBeIssued($borrower, $it->{'barcode'},'','');
01:58 eythian holy dubious semantics batman!
02:05 jcamins_away eythian: whoah!
02:05 jcamins_away eythian: didn't there used to be two versions of that routine?
02:06 eythian I'm not sure. I just saw that when grepping to see how it was used.
02:07 jcamins_away rangi: argh! You had to wait until *after* I spent hours figuring out how to deal with whitespace errors to post that exceedingly informative blog post?
02:07 jcamins_away :)
02:07 jcamins_away rangi++
02:08 rangi heh
02:41 eythian http://youtu.be/Y4Q4tirAOmU
02:41 rangi heya jcamins_away
02:41 wahanui jcamins_away is, like, currently working on fixing a bug. or building packages, which have a number of changes from Master that could never make it into Koha proper (for good reason)
02:41 rangi hmm jransom even
02:42 jcamins_away wahanui: forget jcamins_away
02:42 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot jcamins_away
02:42 jcamins_away jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
02:42 jcamins_away jcamins_away?
02:42 wahanui jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take jcamins_away's word for it!
02:42 rangi :)
02:42 jcamins_away Hm.
02:42 rangi try
02:42 jcamins_away wahanui: forget jcamins_away
02:42 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot jcamins_away
02:42 jcamins_away jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take \my word for it!
02:42 jcamins_away wahanui: jcamins_away?
02:42 wahanui jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it!
02:43 rangi there ya go :)
02:43 jcamins_away :)
03:12 sekjal can anyone in channel speak to the default values for new items created in Acquisitions?
03:13 sekjal when placing an order for a new material, shouldn't the home and holding branch values default to the currently logged in branch?
03:15 eythian sekjal: there's an argument that things like that should be blank by default to force people to conciously choose something.
03:16 sekjal that introduces extra steps into the process, though, which can be a negative for some
03:17 eythian yeah, our one-branch libraries especially.
03:17 sekjal some of it can be handled with default values in the ACQ framework
03:37 eythian public service announcement: things that are not primary keys should not be used as primary keys.
03:37 * eythian goes back to removing the assumptions that all items will have barcodes.
03:37 rangi it used to be the primary key
03:38 rangi before someone decided lets have nulls
03:38 eythian ah, that'll do it.
03:38 eythian oh well, before long, it'll be like that never happened :)
03:40 eythian I wonder what sort of speed ups we'd get if we started passing things like item objects around, I reckon one issue must pull an item or a biblio from the database several times.
03:42 rangi yup, with persistance a lot
03:42 rangi with cgi not so much
03:42 rangi but yeah thats the idea with the Koha:: namespace
03:43 sekjal okay, time for sleep
03:44 sekjal have a good <<localtime>>, #koha
03:44 rangi sleep well
03:46 Judit if you want to set up your koha to send sms messages- is there a web interface where you can add the username(phone number) password? i can see you can use the driver in a syspref
03:48 rangi the who?
03:48 wahanui the is probably a stop word
03:48 rangi not sure what you mean by password
03:48 eythian wahanui: the \who is a band
03:48 wahanui ...but who is <reply>...
03:48 eythian rangi: to use SMS, you need a username/pw of your provider
03:49 rangi ah, i think no in that case
03:49 kmkale Namaskaar #koha
03:49 Judit thanks
03:49 kmkale Namaste rangi & Judit :)
03:49 Judit Hi kmkale
03:53 AmitG heya bag
03:54 bag yo AmitG
03:54 kmkale Namaste bag & AmitG :-D
03:55 bag hiya kmkale
03:55 AmitG heya kmkale
04:07 Oak kia ora #koha
04:07 Sylence kia ora Oak
04:10 kmkale May I interest someone here to signoff on bug 6843? It is a very simple but useful enhancement
04:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date
04:22 bag livecd?
04:22 bag live cd?
04:23 bag anybody here know how to program wahanui ?
04:23 bag like wahanui live cd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD
04:23 bag live cd?
04:23 bag livecd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD
04:23 bag livecd
04:23 bag livecd?
04:23 wahanui livecd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD
04:23 bag oh cool
04:24 bag thanks wahanui
04:30 * kmkale is learning git bz
04:31 kmkale in git bz apply xxxx the xxxx stands for bug number or the attachement number in bugzilla?
04:33 kmkale aahh seems its tyhe bug number ;)
04:33 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7249] Report webservices <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7249>
04:37 Oak Guten Morgen Katrin :)
04:37 cait hi Oak :)
04:38 Oak @wunder Konstanz
04:38 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.9�C (5:34 AM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady).
04:38 Oak @wunder islamabad
04:38 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 7.0�C (9:00 AM PKT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
04:38 Oak hm
04:39 kmkale cait good morning :)
04:40 cait hi kmkale :)
04:40 rangi @wunder welllington nz
04:41 huginn` rangi: Error: No such location could be found.
04:41 cait @wunder Wellington
04:41 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found.
04:41 Judit :)
04:41 cait tss.
04:41 rangi @wunder wellington nz
04:41 cait hi Judit :)
04:41 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (5:00 PM NZDT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
04:46 schuster @WUNDER 75035
04:46 huginn` schuster: The current temperature in Preston Lakes, Frisco, Texas is 17.8�C (10:46 PM CST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising).
04:47 cait hi schuster
04:47 rangi you are up early/late schuster ?
04:48 schuster hey - trying to get some grading done and a "development" version setup on an old Laptop... Back to trying to make a difference!
04:48 rangi yay!
04:48 schuster I'm usually up this late, but am now working on refocusing on Koha again.
04:48 AmitG heya cait
04:48 rangi awesome thats good news for us
04:48 cait hi AmitG
04:48 schuster I need to figure out this new template stuff and do some more research. I have some things I need to submit that I've been playing with.
04:49 AmitG heya rangi
04:49 rangi heya AmitG
04:49 cait schuster: :) have you seen you can install all dependencies with the packages? very easy to set up a dev version now
04:53 schuster Yes I have done some of that, but I did the koha-common and now realize that I probably need to download stable and follow those manual instructions. Things have changed! Mostly for the better, but that piece is still confusing on the wiki if you want to do git development stuff.
04:54 rangi no you dont dowload stable
04:54 rangi if u want to do dev
04:54 rangi clone the repo
04:55 rangi and set it up to run from there
04:55 * rangi will bbiab
04:55 bag heya schuster
04:55 wahanui schuster is from Plano, TX
04:57 Oak howdy schuster :)
05:05 schuster rangi always tells me the right thing to do, but I can' never find the instructions!
05:06 schuster I believe what I need is the Option A Download Koha via Git. This is where I always mess up!
05:07 schuster I think I will attempt again tomorrow it is too late to mess with this tonight thanks again rangi I had hoped to figure this out on my own but... :)
05:15 sdaugherty Are there any specific installation instructions for installing koha into shared hosting?
05:17 cait sdaugherty: shared hosting?
05:17 sdaugherty ie, using a web hosting provider, as opposed to a system I fully manage and have root on...
05:18 cait ah
05:18 cait koha needs a lot of perl packages and cron jobs and things
05:18 cait not sure it can be done on shared hosting, or at least it's probably not easy
05:19 sdaugherty My provider (dreamhost) has a halfway written document on it, which suggests it's possible, but unfortunately, it's far from complete.
05:20 cait I am not aware of any other documentation for shared hosting
05:20 sdaugherty http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Koha
05:20 eythian it might be possible, but it wouldn't be easy
05:21 cait hm 2007
05:21 cait I don't think you need the changes to mysql
05:22 cait koha works fine with current mysql versons
05:22 cait hey eythian :)
05:22 eythian well, you need to change the mysql config slightly
05:23 * sdaugherty nods, especially since dreamhost doesn't put mysql on the same machine as apache.
05:23 Oak Hello Mr. Robin
05:23 eythian hello
05:23 eythian well, in that case, it's their problem :)
05:23 eythian basically, you need to make it use a separate tablespace or you get tables that never shrink when they're emptied out.
05:26 sdaugherty installing local::lib so that I can do non-root CPAN installs.
05:27 eythian also, they'll need a newer version of Koha to work with than 5.8, Koha requires 5.10 now.
05:37 sdaugherty This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi
05:37 sdaugherty The wiki apparently lies.
05:39 cait or only old?
05:45 rangi *sigh*
05:46 sdaugherty ok. working through the module dependancies now.
05:46 cait wb rangi
05:51 rangi thanks cait
05:51 rangi only sorta here until the kids are asleep
05:55 * sdaugherty looks at all the dependancies... wow
05:56 rangi thats why i install it using the debian package :)
05:57 sdaugherty lol
05:57 rangi pulls in all the dependencies, a ton easier
05:58 sdaugherty I wish a VPS was in my budget.
05:58 cait sdaugherty is trying to install on shared hosting
05:58 sdaugherty Sadly, it's not.
05:58 sdaugherty Actually, this is donated hosting.
05:59 rangi and do you need all the features koha has?
05:59 rangi it might be easier to use one of the smaller free software ils?
06:00 sdaugherty The other ones I found seemed to have ruby dependancies that were much more complex, but no, I probably don't need all the functionality.
06:00 eythian there is a script that should get you all the dependencies
06:01 eythian oh
06:01 eythian no, it gets you the packages
06:01 eythian which is no good for you
06:02 rangi http://obiblio.sourceforge.net/ maybe
06:02 * rangi cant vouch for it
06:03 rangi but its a ton smaller
06:03 rangi if you get stuck, the last person to try shared hosting failed at the zebra stage
06:04 rangi but if you cna get past that, then you should be ok
06:04 rangi if not, try openbiblio :)
06:04 sdaugherty zebra?
06:04 wahanui i think zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra.
06:04 rangi yeah, its what koha uses to index the marc records
06:07 sdaugherty we;lll see
06:08 sdaugherty let me guess, something like:
06:08 sdaugherty ERROR: Unable to call script: yaz-config
06:08 rangi partially, but you have to actually try to install zebra first
06:09 rangi but yeah, if you dont have yaz and zebra, you wont be able to get a working koha up
06:10 rangi indexdata.dk
06:10 rangi is where they live
06:12 * sdaugherty tries the obvious, and downloads them and runs configure with --prefix=$HOME
06:14 sdaugherty well, positive sign, configure script recognizes --prefix
06:17 sdaugherty yaz built, zebra building
06:21 kmkale bbl
06:24 sdaugherty Successfully installed Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.28
06:24 eythian new koha server built, now just to wait for the DNS to tick over and it's hopefully all good.
06:27 sdaugherty Ok. only one module I'm stuck on now. http://paste.koha-community.org/155
06:27 eythian that looks to me like an error in the module
06:27 eythian I don't think its path should have 'inc' at the start
06:28 eythian you can possibly skip that if you're not going to need PDF generation.
06:28 eythian or install it by hand
06:29 cait pdf generation is only needed for acquisitions orders and label printing - not sure which uses that module
06:30 sdaugherty my labels are preprinted, so that hopefully won't be an issue for a while.
06:31 cait meh
06:31 cait accidently_overwriting_my_test_database--
06:32 sdaugherty ok, I've gotten as far as successful make install on koha
06:33 cait cool :)
06:33 sdaugherty I hate to think how much disk space I just used with all those dependancies
06:33 eythian most of them are pretty small
06:33 sdaugherty [rijl-al-awwa]$ du -sh .
06:33 sdaugherty 1.9G .
06:34 eythian I just did an install and everything was about 600MB or so.
06:34 eythian including mysql
06:34 eythian if you clean up your source stuff when you're done, you'll get a lot back
06:35 sdaugherty hmm. /dev/sdb1 3.6T 161G 3.4T 5% /home
06:35 sdaugherty I don't think I'm going to be terribly concerned at this stage, they advertise no storage limit
06:35 eythian ah, then you're fine :)
06:35 sdaugherty I'll clean it later once all it working
06:36 sdaugherty I'll have to figure out the htaccess stuff in a few, but I need to smoke first :)
06:41 sdaugherty ok... next round of entertainment! :)
07:24 sdaugherty ahh... yeah, have to convert all the scriptalias directives to rewrite
07:29 eythian really need that patch to speed up the borrower import. Damn it's slow.
07:30 cait sign off? :)
07:30 sdaugherty Undefined subroutine &main::setlanguagecookie called at install.pl line 25.
07:31 eythian cait: is it need of that?
07:31 sdaugherty Getting farther. :)
07:31 rangi i think its been signed off
07:31 eythian sdaugherty: do you need to do a git update?
07:31 rangi i signed it off
07:31 cait sdaugherty: which version are you installing?
07:32 eythian ah crap, it timed out.
07:32 sdaugherty koha-3.04.07
07:32 eythian rangi: what did you do to make that import work?
07:33 rangi the patch
07:33 wahanui the patch is in koha-patches
07:34 eythian ah
07:34 sdaugherty ok... situation requires more nicotine... brb
07:34 cait sdaugherty: ah, you should perhaps install 3.6.1
07:34 * eythian cheats and dumps the borrowers from the other database
07:35 rangi eythian: good plan :)
07:35 eythian and done, that was much faster
07:38 reiveune hello
07:39 rangi hi reiveune
07:40 reiveune hi rangi, cait, everybody
07:41 cait hi reiveune :)
07:41 sdaugherty Maybe tomorrow. Going to shutter what I have right now in case I've left something exposed that shouldn't be.
07:42 sdaugherty it's 2:42am for me.
07:42 sdaugherty sleep!
07:43 cait good night sdaugherty
07:46 eythian http://i.imgur.com/3Ovfi.png <-- magnus_away!
07:50 kmkale back
07:51 kmkale Namaste magnuse :)
07:51 magnuse eythian: yeah, i know, it's... mindboggling
07:51 magnuse namaskar kmkale
07:51 eythian I'm sure we have spare butter.
07:51 cait what?
07:51 cait I am sure we have too
07:52 magnuse :-)
07:52 kmkale magnuse: really?
07:52 magnuse i don't know what we are doing wrong...
07:52 magnuse at least it proves you can have lots of money in the bank and still run out of butter
07:53 kmkale :-D
07:53 magnuse they blame it on the low carb people
07:53 magnuse stuffing themselves with butter
07:53 eythian haha
07:53 magnuse but i don't think it's that simple
07:54 magnuse eythian: i have a package-related question...
07:54 * kmkale cold do a sign-off or two today if its simple enough
07:54 eythian I might have an answer.
07:54 eythian No promises though.
07:54 magnuse when i look at http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl
07:55 magnuse the firebug consoles shows some 404s:
07:55 magnuse "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/nb-NO/lib/yui/plugins/bubbling-min.js"
07:55 magnuse "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/nb-NO/lib/yui/plugins/loading-min.js"
07:55 eythian hmm
07:55 magnuse and then: YAHOO.widget.Loading is undefined
07:55 eythian I've seen that I think.
07:55 magnuse jcamins saw the same thing
07:55 eythian something about something something symlinks something,.
07:55 magnuse yeah...
07:56 magnuse not sure if it's the same for the official packages
07:56 eythian I'm hoping it'll be fixed by yui going away :)
07:56 sophie_m hello #koha
07:56 magnuse hehe
07:56 magnuse bonjour sophie_m
07:56 sophie_m hi magnuse
07:56 cait hi sophie_m
07:56 eythian but, have a look to make sure the yui stuff is copied/linked into place
07:56 cait and bbiab
07:56 magnuse it doesn't seem to do any harm, so we might just leave it alone
07:56 sophie_m Guten Morgen cait
07:56 julian_m hi
07:56 wahanui niihau, julian_m
07:57 magnuse when i look in http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/nb-NO/lib/yui/ there is lots of stuff there, but no folder called "plugins"
07:58 eythian what about in the en equivalent
07:58 magnuse same thing, no plugins folder
07:59 eythian perhaps those errors show up there too then
07:59 eythian I'd have to compare it to a non-package install.
07:59 magnuse i wonder what those two files are supposed to do
08:00 eythian probably effects, based on the name.
08:00 eythian but now I can go, I have a rebuild-zebra running, and that's the last thing for today, and it can run on its own.
08:00 magnuse same 404s when i choose en as language
08:00 magnuse yay
08:00 eythian cya
08:01 magnuse have fun eythian
08:01 magnuse on a non-package install the files are present, no errors in firebug console
08:02 eythian OK, interesting
08:02 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
08:02 eythian I guess the packages are rewriting that somehow.
08:02 * eythian leaves it to look at another time
08:02 magnuse yup
08:02 marcelr hello koha
08:02 magnuse hiya marcelr
08:02 marcelr hi magnuse
08:08 Oak magnuse
08:08 magnuse Oak
08:09 Oak hello marcelr, asaurat :)
08:09 marcelr hi Oak
08:09 asaurat hi!
08:15 * magnuse hands mbalmer the velcro
08:16 mbalmer sorry, I had troubles with my IRC client (Colloquy on Mac)
08:16 magnuse no problem, just joking ;-)
08:22 gaetan_B hello!
08:24 kf wb #koha
08:24 kf hm
08:24 kf it's me coming back...
08:24 kf hi again #koha :)
08:26 sdaugherty still not asleep, fwiw, I saved my history so I can use it to write up documentation for anyone else in same situation
08:26 magnuse wb kf
08:27 AmitG hi magnuse
08:27 kf hi magnuse :) and AmitG
08:27 magnuse namaste AmitG
08:27 AmitG heya kf :D
08:33 Oak thank you kf. we are happy to be back with you again.
08:33 Oak hehe
08:34 kf :P
08:45 kf jcamins++
08:46 magnuse what did he do now?
08:47 kf :)
08:47 kf well, he is always awesome, right?
08:47 magnuse yeah, he is
08:48 magnuse so...
08:48 magnuse jcamins++
08:48 mbalmer hmm, so .po files are autogenereated, nice, back to the table with my patches then
08:54 mbalmer what is Pootle?
08:54 wahanui rumour has it Pootle is down for me - can someone else check
08:54 kf translate.koha-community.org
08:54 kf the software used there
08:55 mbalmer so when I change text in a template, Pootle will create new po files from them?
08:55 mbalmer how will that be matched to existing .po files?
08:56 kf I am not sure how the magic works
08:56 kf but yes, if you update the english templates
08:56 kf the po files will be updated
08:56 * kf is translating the changes for 3.6.2 right now
08:56 kf some things get marked fuzzy, new strings have to be translated
08:57 mbalmer ok, so will recreate my typo diffs without the po files later today
08:59 AmitG_ chris_n around?
08:59 magnuse probably way too early for him...
08:59 kf mbalmer: if you want to update the po files to check your changes: perl translate update de-DE in ...misc/translator
09:00 mbalmer oh, nice hint, thanks!
09:00 magnuse some pointers can be found here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Translating_Koha
09:00 magnuse but that page could have been a lot more useful
09:01 mbalmer magnuse, fwiw, I am not translating, I am correcting the english spellos and typos
09:01 * kf nick kf_mtg
09:01 kf grr
09:01 kf_mtg meeting time
09:02 magnuse yeah, but that page has some pointer related how the .po files etc work
09:04 francharb by the way
09:04 francharb hi
09:04 magnuse hiya francharb
09:14 Oak time for class
09:14 Oak later
09:21 AmitG heya frnacharb
09:23 AmitG heya gaetan_B
09:24 gaetan_B hi AmitG
09:24 gaetan_B kya hal hai?
09:27 AmitG gaetan_B in hindi
09:56 hdl hi
10:03 * kmkale is surprised at how easy it was to use git bz to apply, test and sign off a couple of patches :-D
10:03 magnuse yay
10:03 magnuse kmkale++
10:04 kmkale it should be git_bz++
10:05 kmkale and all folks who contributed to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
10:06 magnuse community++
10:07 kmkale rangi++ #for http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/12/15/fixing-whitespace-when-apply-patches-with-git/
10:08 * kmkale is wondering if magnuse's patch testing machine is up and running again ;)
10:13 kmkale @quote random
10:13 huginn` kmkale: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
10:13 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
10:14 kmkale @quote random
10:14 huginn` kmkale: Quote #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits" (added by gmcharlt at 05:57 PM, January 27, 2011)
10:14 kmkale @quote random
10:14 huginn` kmkale: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010)
10:14 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
10:14 kmkale @quote random
10:14 huginn` kmkale: Quote #159: "slef: WELCOME TO HOOGERLAND. POPULATION: HEROES" (added by wizzyrea at 05:00 PM, September 23, 2011)
10:21 ronald hello Koha
10:28 marcelr kmkale: thx for signing off 6302
10:45 kmkale marcelr you are welcome.
11:13 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5347] late order management <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347>
11:26 Suzzane Hi everyone.....
11:27 Suzzane a quick on
11:27 Suzzane anybody home.....
11:27 AmitG heya Suzzane
11:28 Suzzane Hi AmitG
11:28 Suzzane KINDLY GUIDE ME ON THIS ONE
11:28 Suzzane sorry, caps
11:28 Suzzane our programmer happened to download the Koha 3.2.5
11:28 Suzzane but we need the 3.6
11:28 Suzzane version
11:29 Suzzane he is asking if the 3.6 version is stable
11:29 kf_mtg yes
11:29 kf_mtg 3.6.1 is the current stable version
11:29 kf_mtg and soon we will have 3.6.2
11:29 kf_mtg which will have a lot of small improvments too
11:30 kf_mtg ok, time for lunch :)
11:30 Suzzane nice
11:30 Suzzane kindly tell me where do we go to download the 3.6.1
11:32 mbalmer take a look around http://www.koha-community.org/
11:32 Suzzane ok
11:32 Suzzane thanks let me do that
12:33 jcamins_away indradg++ # nice response on the list
12:35 kmkale hi jcamins_away :)
12:35 jcamins_away kmkale: good morning. There's a new version of the bug 1633 patches to sign off on.
12:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
12:36 jcamins_away I couldn't figure out how to keep your sign offs. :(
12:38 jcamins_away Hey, isn't it kind of late where you are?
12:39 jcamins_away Have a good day, #koha. I'll be back this afternoon.
12:39 kmkale yikes!!
12:40 kmkale many changes
12:41 jcamins_away kmkale: the code is almost identical, I just moved it to a different file.
12:41 jcamins_away And I think oleonard wrote another patch.
12:41 jcamins_away oleonard++
12:41 jcamins_away Bye!
12:42 Suzzane kmkale, hi... Susan from Kenya here
12:42 kmkale hi Suzzane :)
12:42 Suzzane our programmer is asking if its possible to upgrade from version 3.2.5 to version 3.6.1
12:43 kmkale yes it is
12:43 Suzzane how do you go about doing that?
12:44 kmkale the INSTALL file with the download has a upgrade section in it.
12:44 Suzzane Kale, this is the programmer
12:44 Suzzane i work with Suan
12:45 magnuse Suzzane: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL;h=c4e51bc5dc5c2e86cb8ba5596d6a0d3a331de542;hb=HEAD#l62
12:45 kmkale it has clear instructions to upgrade
12:45 Suzzane susan
12:45 magnuse make sure you have a good backup of the database before you proceed
12:46 pastebot "kmkale" at 59.181.126.113 pasted "Upgrade from 3.2.x to 3.4 and upwards" (36 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/156
12:46 kmkale Suzzane: http://paste.koha-community.org/156
12:48 magnuse hiya bigbrovar
12:48 Suzzane our koha is running on ubuntu 10.10, and it was installed via a kohalivecd
12:48 Suzzane how am I going to upgrade to the new and stable version
12:49 kmkale Suzzane: http://paste.koha-community.org/156
12:49 Suzzane and currently, there is no data stored into the system
12:49 kmkale Suzzane: hah if there is no data its simple. Do a fresh install
12:51 Suzzane how stable is the version 3.2.5
12:51 magnuse if there is no point in keeping what is in the database i would empty that and then follow the description here http://paste.koha-community.org/156 but skip the last part that starts with "Koha 3.4.x or later no longer stores items..."
12:51 Suzzane as compared to version 3.6.1
12:51 magnuse then you get to do a clean web installation again
12:52 kmkale Suzzane: better go with 3.6 as there are major differences after 3.4 version
12:52 kmkale so it will be easier for you to keep updated
12:53 magnuse well, 3.2.5 has been in production for a long time in lots of libraries - and libraries are just starting to move to 3.6.x - but i'd still say go for 3.6.1 - it has tons of bugfixes and new features
12:53 magnuse and yes, starting to use 3.2.x and then do the upgrade later on will be scarier
12:54 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ca007a9237954d2497080448586f721da6701a8> / Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=06c822c37ce91e5936542990d7e3299e14271bd3> / Added missing reference case to Boolean.t and corrected count <http://git.koha-community.org
12:57 jenkins_koha Starting build 572 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:58 kmkale gotta run
12:58 kmkale BBL
13:04 mbalmer I have a git problem wrt my typo patches: I reverted part of my changes, to not change .po files. But now I get even more patches with 'git format-patch origin'.
13:04 mbalmer how should I handle this?
13:11 marcelr mbalmer: if you cut a whole diff section from the patch file, reapply and git-format, it should work
13:12 marcelr but it is quick and dirty-practive
13:13 mbalmer I reverted part of a diff, then committet that and reformatted, but now I get two patches: one that changes to much and a second one that reverts part of the first
13:14 marcelr you can also git format-patch -1 to get only one commit
13:14 magnuse sounds like you have two commits then. you might want to squash them into one
13:15 marcelr probably you are better off with git reset to head and selective reapply
13:15 mbalmer yes, exactly
13:15 magnuse i'm no expert there, but e.g. http://gitready.com/advanced/2009/02/10/squashing-commits-with-rebase.html looks useful
13:16 mbalmer new checkout an re-apply sounds like stupid duplication of work. there must be a better way.
13:16 * chris_n loves 'git rebase -i HEAD~X' where X is the number of commits I want to mess with
13:16 marcelr reapply with your file (not manually)
13:17 chris_n mbalmer: did you actually do a 'git revert'?
13:17 mbalmer no.
13:17 mbalmer I uses patch -R.
13:18 mbalmer but I guess squashing these commits into one should work
13:18 chris_n hmm
13:18 chris_n interactive rebase may be the cleanest way to get back where you want to be
13:19 mbalmer yes, looks so. just reading up the article magnuse posted
13:20 chris_n there are some additional options since that article (2009) as well I think
13:20 chris_n you'll see them in the editor when you run the rebase
13:21 mbalmer ah fuck, not it squashed about 30 committs into one.
13:22 kf ouch
13:22 kf if you are trying something new a new branch is often good
13:23 kf git checkout -b ...
13:23 mbalmer yeah, I am on a new branch.
13:23 kf not sure how to revert a squash
13:23 kf I meant branch out from the branch with your changes you are trying to fix
13:24 mbalmer did I already mention that git sucks, perl sucks, the world sucks …. ;)
13:24 kf well...
13:24 kf you could metnion it
13:24 kf but it will probably not make you friends here
13:24 mbalmer git rebase --abort sucks less ;)
13:24 * kf likes perl and loves git :)
13:25 * mbalmer thinks perl is a SM game
13:25 * magnuse loves perl and git but has his doubts about the world in general... ;-)
13:25 kf magnuse: you doubt the world? ohoh!
13:25 kf well... as long as you don't doubt koha?
13:25 magnuse no, never!
13:26 mbalmer ok, for the record: before doing a 'git rebase -i …' to a git rebase master
13:26 mbalmer else you get all the committs from others as well.
13:26 mbalmer then rebase
13:27 magnuse i think chris_n suggested 'git rebase -i HEAD~X' where X is the number of commits you want to work with...
13:28 kf yep
13:28 kf or the commitid of the last patch you don't want
13:28 * chris_n thinks one should keep one's git well fed and happy lest it turn viciously on one at an unexpected moment ;-)
13:28 bigbrovar magnuse, hi :)
13:29 magnuse chris_n: sounds like sound advice ;-)
13:29 mbalmer hoho, that works
13:29 * mbalmer is a happy man again
13:29 * chris_n concurs with kf's suggested 'git checkout -b foo' prior to messing with things
13:29 magnuse yay!
13:30 chris_n hurray!
13:30 kf :)
13:30 mbalmer chris_n, you always have to see these things as kind of a computer game, sometimes you win, sometime the machine does ;)
13:31 mbalmer at least no harm done here, unlike when you hack kernel code ...
13:34 mbalmer but git is amazingly powerful.
13:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5533] marking item lost diff in two places <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533>
13:41 kf hah!
13:41 kf ok, missed something...
13:42 kf ohoh
13:42 kf that's not good
13:42 kf %s %s [%% DEFAULT loopro.itemcallnumber="No Call Number" loopro.barcode="No Barcode" loopro.title="NO TITLE" loopro.author="" %%] %s
13:43 kf or only a syntax the translation parser is worried about
13:44 mbalmer so my typo patches for the the bug 7356 ar updated, pls check wether the developpers like them.
13:44 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7356 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, marc, NEW , FIx various typos and mis-spellings
13:44 kf at the risk of making you scream at me...
13:44 kf but the bug number in your subject lines next time ;)
13:45 mbalmer you mean in the committ message?
13:45 kf yes
13:45 kf the first line of your commit message
13:45 mbalmer well, I did the patches before I opened a bug (lame excuse...)
13:45 kf is also the subject of the mail if you send them
13:45 kf you can do that
13:45 kf and git commit --amend them once you have the bug number ;)
13:46 mbalmer ja ja ja ;)
13:46 mbalmer next time I will.
13:49 kf ok, now: Hah!
13:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #572: UNSTABLE in 51 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/572/
13:49 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7185 Fixing typo in release notes
13:49 jenkins_koha * duncan: Added unit tests for Sip Checksum.pm
13:49 jenkins_koha * duncan: Added unit test for AuthoritiesMarc/UNIMARC.pm
13:49 jenkins_koha * duncan: Added unit tests for Scrubber
13:49 jenkins_koha * chrish: Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token
13:49 jenkins_koha * chrish: Added missing reference case to Boolean.t and corrected count
13:49 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: welcome to Duncan Tyler, developer 166 !
13:49 jenkins_koha * chrish: Added missing reference case to Boolean.t and corrected count
13:49 kf German translation for 3.6.2 updated and complete
13:49 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
13:49 jenkins_koha * duncan: Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm
13:50 kf jenkins... you interrupted...
13:59 magnuse kf++
13:59 magnuse unstable, eh?
14:02 paul_p yikes...
14:02 schuster Never good when you step into a chat with the first comment being yikes... :)
14:03 asaurat :D
14:03 paul_p schuster, it's because jenkins is back to unstable
14:03 paul_p good morning schuster
14:03 magnuse lol
14:04 chris_n ouch
14:04 chris_n kf++
14:04 chris_n unstable--
14:05 magnuse hiya sekjal
14:05 sekjal hi, magnuse
14:06 sekjal gtg; doing a training for some librarians in NH
14:06 magnuse hehe, that was quick
14:07 * chris_n waves at the dust of sekjal
14:22 mbalmer hmm, my 'pgsql' branches produces no diff yet, bad.
14:26 nengard does ReservesMaxPickUpDelay use the calendar in Koha - or is it based on just regular calendar days?
14:26 nengard I think I know the answer but want to confirm
14:26 nengard magnuse when we're training we like to pop in and show people around, but don't want to be distracted by all the #koha fun :)
14:26 nengard so we log out quick
14:27 magnuse ah ;-)
14:30 nengard paul_p chris_n magnuse anyone know the answer to this "does ReservesMaxPickUpDelay use the calendar in Koha - or is it based on just regular calendar days?"
14:30 magnuse nengard: sorry
14:31 paul_p nengard, not sure, but almost sure it's based on regular calendar days (no holidays taken in account)
14:32 nengard that's what i thought
14:35 kf paul_p: I might know why
14:35 mbalmer puuh, patch handling is difficult...
14:36 kf paul_p: for the sip thing - the patch must be moved into the other directory because it needs sample data, but I failed that patch because it does not work - probably reverting the last patch and wait for the complete fix could work
14:36 kf paul_p: I mean reverting the first part because the second is not ready yet
14:39 maximep @wunder yqc
14:39 huginn` maximep: The current temperature in Kangirsuk, Quebec is -15.0�C (9:00 AM EST on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: -25.0�C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
14:39 mbalmer @wunder gipf-oberfrick
14:39 huginn` mbalmer: The current temperature in Erlinsbach, Switzerland is 6.0�C (2:59 PM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising).
14:39 maximep lol Kangirsuk
14:40 maximep is ykg -_-
14:40 mbalmer erlinsbach, pffft…..
14:40 magnuse @wunder boo
14:40 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (3:20 PM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 28.88 in 978 hPa (Steady).
14:40 maximep tons of snow here. fuuuun =)
14:41 magnuse a light sprinkling of snow here - niiiice ;-)
14:41 * chris_n want snow!
14:41 chris_n wants even
14:42 bigbrovar Hi guys, If I was going to install koha on a vps, what should be the recommended specification in terms of hard disk, ram and processing power.
14:42 maximep oh man, don't know if koha could run on a 512 megs vps
14:43 magnuse bigbrovar: depends on number of records and level of use
14:43 bigbrovar looking at 2000 records
14:43 chris_n bigbrovar: search the list as well, this has been discussed there many times
14:43 bigbrovar chris_n, sure, am doing that now :)
14:44 maximep we just upgraded our servers to really fast SSDs. I have never seen koha go as fast :D
14:44 chris_n $$$$
14:44 magnuse 2k records = nothing ;-) you don't need a lot of power for that, unless there will be massice amounts of searching going on
14:46 maximep I would not even try running koha with less than 1.5 gigs of ram, but maybe there's ways to config apache to take less
14:46 mbalmer 768MB here, but only three books in my two libraries ;)
14:47 maximep Ô_ô
14:50 libsysguy o/
14:50 magnuse i have ~17 very-very low traffic installtions (my "gratis koha" project) running off the packages on a 512MB "slice" on slicehost, without any apparent problems
14:50 maximep 17 ?! wow
14:50 libsysguy \o/ /\o/\ o[ /o\
14:51 libsysguy hehe ascii YMCA
14:51 magnuse lol
14:51 maximep and hi to you :p
15:00 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7356] FIx various typos and mis-spellings <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7356>
15:02 kf lol
15:02 kf it's not friday yet! back to work everyone
15:04 magnuse rangi and eythian and several others would not agree with that, i think ;-)
15:04 magnuse (at least the first part)
15:07 maximep it feels like friday here with all the snow and christmas coming up
15:07 mbalmer kf, don't germans stop to work ar four? *duck*
15:07 mbalmer s/ar/at/
15:07 kf I wish...
15:08 magnuse no, that's norwegians - half past three if we can get away with it
15:09 magnuse (starting at 8)
15:10 mbalmer I start at 10 and stop at 15.
15:10 magnuse yay
15:10 mbalmer I only need 4 hours for what others need 8 ;P
15:10 magnuse lucky you!
15:10 maximep 9 to 18 here :/
15:11 mbalmer 15 - 10 = 5?? 4?? -> there has to be time for lunch, too
15:11 magnuse every waking hour here ;-)
15:11 mbalmer for waking hours we have http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?wake++NetBSD-current
15:13 magnuse heh
15:14 mbalmer ssh root@gw.vnode.ch wake sis2 biblio
15:14 kf hm
15:14 kf wrong window? ;)
15:14 libsysguy that is what I was thinking
15:15 libsysguy but shame for ssh-ing as root mbalmer
15:15 mbalmer sshing as root is perfectly fine.
15:15 paul_p kf: reverting failing tests now. seems code is not broken, it's tests that are broken ;-)
15:15 mbalmer (says an ex-openbsd/openssh developer)
15:15 kf paul_p: hm not quite true
15:16 kf paul_p: the tests fail because they are db_dependant
15:16 kf noted in my test that it needs the sample database to work, but was not aware how jenkins works
15:16 libsysguy yeah but isn't it a better practice to ssh as a user and just use sudo
15:16 mbalmer no. why?
15:16 paul_p kf, i'll also revert Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token, because the tests is failing
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
15:17 paul_p should be enough to have jenkins happy ;-) (with reverting the SIP_ILS stuff)
15:17 libsysguy mbalmer just always heard it was best practice
15:18 mbalmer btw, is SIP2 included in master or do I have instal a third party package?
15:18 mbalmer libsysguy, maybe a matter of taste, dunno. I and my *BSD colleagues have no problems using root directly. allows you to automate thinks
15:18 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7698ce6e016d6006449814c9bf73e58dd231fc11> / Revert "Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8df873c1a298d9c7e4283372201466d28fa1a784> / Revert "Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token" <
15:19 kf hm
15:19 kf I am not sure reverting the second is the best way
15:19 kf the tt test
15:19 kf it didn't fail when I was testing
15:20 kf mbalmer: it's included
15:20 mbalmer libsysguy, much more crucial to security is NOT to use password, challenge response or Pam, but only keys...
15:20 mbalmer kf, thanks!
15:27 jenkins_koha Starting build 573 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #571 21 h ago)
15:30 rhcl *watching ssh discussion
15:36 chris_n paul_p: I think maybe wizzyrea is working up a test db which will make all db_dependent tests happy
15:37 kf chris_n: she attached one to a bug that works nicely
15:38 kf chris_n: I used it for testing the SIP tests and had no fails
15:38 chris_n kf: link please :-)
15:38 kf I think basically it's using the sample data we have when you tick all checkboxes during installation
15:38 kf trying to remember the bug.
15:38 chris_n hmm
15:38 kf stil had it in my folder this morning :)
15:38 chris_n I'm using the sample data and have many fails on tests jenkins passes
15:39 * chris_n hand the coffee to oleonard
15:39 kf ah
15:39 kf bug 7333
15:39 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Cleaning up tests to use sample data
15:39 * oleonard takes it gratefully
15:39 * oleonard is back from a morning meeting
15:40 oleonard Better than average one though, it included cake.
15:42 kf yay :)
15:47 * chris_n slurps up new data
15:47 chris_n :-(
15:47 chris_n Test Summary Report
15:47 chris_n -------------------
15:47 chris_n t/db_dependent/Search.t (Wstat: 256 Tests: 4 Failed: 1)
15:47 chris_n Failed test: 4
15:47 chris_n Non-zero exit status: 1
15:47 chris_n Files=28, Tests=350, 21 wallclock secs ( 0.23 usr 0.25 sys + 14.93 cusr 1.96 csys = 17.37 CPU)
15:47 chris_n Result: FAIL
15:47 maximep oh, maybe I should now take time to make my jenkins tests pass now that they pass for the commuity =)
15:47 chris_n better than before
15:48 chris_n but not quite there yet
15:48 wizzyrea I've been fighting that one too
15:48 wizzyrea was it something you had to have in your test db?
15:48 chris_n ?
15:48 wizzyrea the search.t test
15:48 wizzyrea why was it failing
15:48 wizzyrea was/is
15:48 chris_n I just loaded the data set you attached to 7333
15:49 chris_n before I was seeing multiple failures
15:49 chris_n so this is a great improvement :-)
15:49 wizzyrea right, that one doesn't have whatever search.t wants in
15:49 wizzyrea it
15:49 * chris_n gets out his magnifying glass
15:49 wizzyrea i'm going to make a new one when I figure it out
15:49 wizzyrea I think it has to do with stopwords
15:50 chris_n hmm
15:50 chris_n french
15:50 chris_n I wonder if it is looking for french stop words then?
15:50 wizzyrea that's what I was thinking
15:51 * chris_n looks paul_p's direction
15:51 wizzyrea but - i couldn't find a place to add them
15:51 wizzyrea so...
15:51 chris_n and regrets that he opted out of french in high school
15:51 * wizzyrea considered just nuking the tests
15:51 maximep stopwords are just a mess
15:51 chris_n probably a good idea
15:51 chris_n tests should probably be language agnostic
15:51 chris_n stopwords?
15:51 wahanui stopwords is, like, one of those mad schemes that has persisted needlessly
15:51 wizzyrea keke
15:52 nengard :)
15:52 wizzyrea chris_n: I'm glad you found that db useful :D
15:53 asaurat which parts of Koha still use Stopwords ? looks to me that zebra doesn't use them, and the GUI used to modify them is hidden except when koha is configured in Nozebra afaik ?!
15:54 wizzyrea you're probably right - and good point about the gui
15:54 maximep hmmm i could ask my coworker that had to answer this question a few weeks ago
15:54 * wizzyrea checks that
15:54 kf I think this was all by intention
15:54 kf the hiding and such
15:55 libsysguy oh oh
15:55 asaurat yep, I guess so
15:55 libsysguy i just did stopwords in class
15:55 asaurat but is it still useful as is ?
15:55 libsysguy we could just run an IDF algorithm on the collection
15:56 libsysguy it would essentially rank stop words so low that they wouldn't matter
15:56 libsysguy :D
15:56 maximep looks like the stopwords don't work at all in 3.6 for us
15:57 maximep so i have no idea how that test works :S
15:58 chris_n wizzyrea: we should probably submit a patch to remove that test for the time being
15:58 kf xmas market time :)
15:58 kf bye all
15:58 chris_n kf++
15:58 chris_n have fun
15:58 kf thx!
15:58 libsysguy so no to the IDF algorithm :'(
15:58 kf maximep: always remember stopwords are an unfeature! :)
15:58 wizzyrea I agree - I will go ahead and do that
15:58 magnuse wizzyrea++
15:59 maximep yeah but it seems the client likes to have unfeatures
15:59 chris_n hehe
15:59 chris_n and the client writes the paycheck ;-)
15:59 maximep because his old system was full of them
16:20 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
16:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #573: FIXED in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/573/
16:20 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token"
16:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
16:20 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token"
16:20 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm"
16:21 chris_n !botsnack pecan turtles
16:22 chris_n !hudson botsnack pecan turtles
16:22 wizzyrea !jenkins botsnack pecan turtles
16:22 jenkins_koha wizzyrea: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love pecan turtles!
16:22 chris_n oops
16:25 magnuse \o/
16:32 asaurat tschüss!
16:33 wizzyrea epic subject is epic!
16:35 rhcl so has anybody considered buying up the koha-community.xxx domain name?
16:35 oleonard Hawt
16:36 * wizzyrea wonders what kind of things we'd keep there
16:36 mbalmer the shady books...
16:36 rhcl I see lots of schools are buying up their .xxx equivalent.
16:36 rhcl graphic novels?
16:36 wizzyrea anime?
16:36 oleonard smutty romances?
16:37 wizzyrea (it's actually not a bad idea... better to have it ourselves than have someone get... confused)
16:37 wizzyrea O.O
16:37 rhcl yea, the whole point I think
16:37 oleonard But honestly, is anyone going to really get confused?
16:37 wizzyrea "I was only looking for library management systems!"
16:37 paul_p oleonard, it took me 20mn to decide what to do with 7330 ...
16:37 mbalmer it's money making only.
16:37 magnuse nah, how would they get confused?
16:37 mbalmer think of the many TLDs that are there. do you want reserve each and every one?
16:38 rhcl just wanted to lay the idea out there
16:38 rhcl mbalmer: no, but .xxx is special
16:38 wizzyrea mbalmer - we have already had issues with unfriendly corporations buying up our domain names
16:38 mbalmer why is .xxx special?
16:38 wizzyrea so it *is* worth thinking about.
16:38 mbalmer it's about sex, instead of com(erce) or org(anisation), but so what?
16:38 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7333] Cleaning up tests to use sample data <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333>
16:39 mbalmer nobody will associate Koha with pr0n anways.
16:39 oleonard paul_p: I certainly understand your hesitation
16:39 magnuse i think the only relevant thing here is search, and i don't think a k-c.xxx would make it very high in a search for "koha"
16:39 paul_p jesseW-- for this so poorly documented code...
16:39 oleonard paul_p: I was hoping my patch would prompt someone to look at it again and discover the cause where I could not
16:40 paul_p s/poorly/un-/
16:40 oleonard magnuse: It might depend on the quality of the content on k-c.xxx ;)
16:40 rhcl OK, so there's walmart.com and then there are series of images produced by some, like "The Girls of Walmart". <Understand I'm just "sayin" you know>
16:41 paul_p oleonard, I tested it a lot, could not find any problem. So I decided we should have ppl with some time to dedicate to testing do it on something more usefull than this tiny patch
16:41 rhcl I see walmart.xxx being the porn site of The Girls of Walmart or something...
16:41 wizzyrea sounds like the argument for why HLT would have never thought to register Koha as a trademark
16:41 paul_p walmart.xxx = This domain has been reserved from registration.
16:41 rhcl so koha.xxx could logically be twisted to "The Girls of Koha" , just theoretically, at some point in the future
16:41 wizzyrea and lest we forget the lessons of the past.
16:41 paul_p so, no walmart girls ;-)
16:42 wizzyrea right because walmart bought it!
16:42 paul_p yes, of course.
16:42 rhcl yes, of course walmart would have purchased it right away
16:42 paul_p and what is unfair I think, is the price you have to pay to buy & block it
16:42 wizzyrea ^^ agreed
16:42 * oleonard doesn't understand the idea of new TLDs when existing owners buy them up anyway
16:42 paul_p (iirc, a number with 3 zeros)
16:43 paul_p (s/3zeros/3digits/)
16:43 paul_p (that's already too much !!!)
16:43 trea anyone have a sec to chat about opac suppression?
16:43 wizzyrea sure go
16:43 wizzyrea speaking of that I was going to test it
16:44 wizzyrea maximep had an idea of why it was not working properly and I was going to see if he was right :D
16:44 trea okay, if OpacSuppression = hide, and they have a 942$n set as 1, why would it suppress some bibs, but not others?
16:44 trea is this just a case where a reindex is most likely needed?
16:46 wizzyrea hm
16:47 trea i mean, i can set the flag on a record that didn't have it before, wait for the cron to run, and the record is suppressed. However, for older records that were suppressed months ago, they aren't being suppressed.
16:48 trea to clarify, the 942$n was set months ago, and they are not being suppressed.
16:48 wizzyrea that does seem to point to "reindex"
16:51 reiveune bye
17:07 magnuse have fun, #koha!
17:26 gaetan_B bye
17:33 * chris_n watches FF go into a death-spiral... yet again
17:34 rhcl_away do you have the latest version, 37.9?
17:35 oleonard Death-spiral? I didn't know you were on a Mac [http://marbleofdoom.com/]
17:36 oleonard paul_p: Still around?
17:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 574 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
17:42 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: welcome to Marc Balmer, #167 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=42d6b17851626c547481438138ebc592177c4e75> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7346' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9880b3ad050813550338de70dcd52c82fadac376> / Bail out early if an invalid language is used. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9f7922ad7740693
17:46 mbalmer to repeat and older question: is someone actively working on PostgreSQL support? Or interested in doing so?
17:47 oleonard I don't think anyone is actively working on it
17:47 mbalmer ok.
17:47 mbalmer just trying to avoid duplicate work.
17:47 oleonard It's always a long-term goal to make Koha code less MySQL-specific
17:50 paul_p OK, time to leave. I've checked & pushed all bugs that had "signed-off" and were simple to QA. still 44 bugs to QA, but they're harder, will do that later or let others from QA team do it !
17:50 mbalmer thanks!
17:50 paul_p have a good day/night/evening/afternoon/whatever & see you (my) tomorrow morning !
17:51 maximep wow, it's hard to say "bye" in a way that works for all timezones :p
17:54 chris_n mbalmer: you may want to review some of the discussions to move toward DBIx
17:54 chris_n rangi has done some work on this already
17:54 chris_n I believe he has a branch somewhere with this work on it
17:55 * chris_n did some pgsql work long ago, but finally just adapted to the status quo
17:58 chris_n mbalmer: here you are => http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-catalyst.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/enh/bug_5837
17:59 chris_n bug 5837
17:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5837 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Change installer to use DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned instead of updatedatabase.pl
18:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #574: SUCCESS in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/574/
18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7313: Untranslatable strings in 'Search to hold' feature
18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7321: Silence some warns in Koha.pm
18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7323 - Javascript error when editing list
18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7325 - Editing a list generates errors in the log
18:35 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 7326: longoverdue.pl hardcoded to 366 days maximum
18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7330 - System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search
18:35 jenkins_koha * duncan: Bug 7331 - Circulation.pl generates errors in the log
18:35 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 7333 - modifying Members.t to use a branchcode that exists in the sample data
18:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7313 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Untranslatable strings in 'search to hold' feature
18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7334: Improve 'no address stored' and similar messages in patron account
18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7334: Improve 'no address stored' and similar messages in patron account
18:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7321 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Silence warns in Koha.pm
18:35 jenkins_koha * marc: Bail out early if an invalid language is used.
18:35 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: welcome to Marc Balmer, #167
18:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7323 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Javascript error when editing list
18:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7325 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Editing a list generates errors in the log
18:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7326 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , longoverdue.pl was hardcoded to 1 year, is now a parameter
18:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7330 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search
18:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7331 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, duncan, ASSIGNED , Circulation.pl generates errors in the log
18:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Cleaning up tests to use sample data
18:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7334 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Improve 'No address stored' and similar messages in patron account
18:37 rangi sup peeps
18:38 oleonard Hi rangi
18:39 rangi ahh xslt of course
18:39 rangi ill get duncan to retest
18:39 rhcl hi rangi
18:39 rangi hi rhcl
18:41 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:41 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
18:50 rangi this rain is getting boring
18:51 ibeardslee yeap yeap yeap
18:51 ibeardslee yeap yeap yeap
18:52 oleonard @wunder 45701
18:52 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 15.0�C (1:50 PM EST on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Steady).
18:52 oleonard Seems like you and I have the same weather today rangi
18:52 rangi hmmm that seems warm
18:52 rangi for december in Ohio?
18:52 oleonard It's unusually warm today
18:53 oleonard ...but hard to take advantage of because of the rain :|
18:54 rangi hi cait
18:54 cait hi rangi
18:55 rangi nelson here is getting pounded
18:55 rangi we are just getting the edge
18:55 rangi state of emergency down there
18:55 cait earthquake?
18:55 wahanui i heard earthquake was on the news
18:55 rangi flooding
18:55 cait oh!
18:56 chris_n @wunder 28334
18:56 huginn` chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 21.0�C (1:35 PM EST on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
18:56 rangi does it ever get cold there chris_n ?
18:56 * chris_n wonders about that sometimes
18:57 oleonard mbalmer: Where are you from?
18:57 * oleonard is from Ohio, http://www.myacpl.org
18:58 chris_n oleonard?
18:58 wahanui oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
18:58 cait very true
18:58 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
18:58 cait lol
19:00 rangi my stop
19:00 rangi bbiab
19:11 rangi back
19:11 cait wb
19:11 ibeardslee and soaked?
19:12 rangi not too bad
19:17 rangi oh man
19:17 rangi i missed an opportunity
19:19 cait hm?
19:19 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2004/03/31/the-m-in-marc-is-for-mental/
19:19 rangi i shoulda linked to that in my email
19:19 cait heh
19:20 cait 2004... and nothing changed
19:20 wizzyrea OH *breeding farm*
19:20 rangi sadly not
19:20 wizzyrea that explains SO MUCH.
19:20 rangi heh
19:20 wizzyrea i always wondered why it was called that!
19:20 * wizzyrea feels enlightened
19:21 rangi apparently it made you lol about a year ago too
19:21 wizzyrea probably so
19:21 wizzyrea but... for dirty reasons
19:21 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6142] CanBookBeReserved function is redefined in C4/ILSDI/Utility.pm <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6142>
19:21 cait lol
19:21 wizzyrea >.>
19:22 wizzyrea I suspect that I had not had direct experience with breeding farm references in the code last ear.
19:22 wizzyrea year, even.
19:27 cait hi trea :)
19:28 trea cait! how are you?
19:28 cait frozen
19:29 cait but overall ok :)
19:29 trea :D
19:29 wizzyrea I like ok :)
19:29 cait we were at the xmas market
19:30 wizzyrea how was it?
19:31 cait nice
19:31 cait :)
19:31 trea has anyone seen issues with suppression not being honored after a record import, but will honor it when adding records manually?
19:31 cait never used it, sorry
19:32 cait is the value in the marc the same for both?
19:32 trea it is, oddly enough
19:39 cait indexing?
19:39 wahanui indexing is done by Zebra.
19:42 trea that was my first thought as well cait. the more i dig into this the less sure i am
19:46 cait does it work when you open, edit another field and save?
19:47 trea yes. it does in fact seem to work when that happens
19:48 rangi i totally blame indexing then
19:48 jcamins_away Indexing.
19:48 wahanui indexing is done by Zebra.
19:49 cait me too
19:49 cait jcamins_away: hey!
19:49 rangi i really quite like the timeline in the about page
19:49 rangi mtj++
19:49 wizzyrea but why would it happen only on imported records
19:49 jcamins Hello.
19:49 wizzyrea and not original cataloged records
19:50 trea Manually Added - Suppressed:
19:50 trea http://screencast.com/t/od29OTab
19:50 trea Imported - Not Suppressed:
19:50 trea http://screencast.com/t/sen3sg4Y1c
19:50 trea Framework test looks fine:
19:50 trea http://screencast.com/t/v2E4waTvokYC
19:50 rangi maybe they are weird
19:50 rangi if you try a full reindex
19:50 wizzyrea hehe I think that's a given ;)
19:50 rangi does the imported one show up
19:51 rangi or do you have to edit them first?
19:51 jcamins trea: has the server been reindexed fully since the suppressed index was added?
19:52 trea lol, i guessing you all think i should reindex. :P
19:52 trea s/i/i'm
19:52 cait yep
19:52 trea fair enough
19:52 jcamins You're looking at an old server, and some of those are... problematic.
19:52 trea i defer to your judgement
19:52 trea #koha++
19:59 jcamins @wunder konstanz
19:59 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.0�C (8:54 PM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady).
20:10 mbalmer oleonard, switzerland.
20:11 mbalmer chris_n, tnx fer url
20:24 rangi francois++ #again
20:25 rangi http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/2011/12/installing-etherpad-on-debianubuntu.html
20:25 wizzyrea good lord does he ever sleep
20:26 rangi about now
20:26 rangi he doesnt get into work till 10 or 11
20:26 rangi but now i can resurrect etherpad.koha-community.org
20:26 wizzyrea woohoo!
20:27 * jcamins didn't know there was an etherpad.koha-community.org.
20:28 rangi well i couldnt get it stable
20:28 rangi may not be able to, uses a bunch of ram
20:28 rangi but we'll see
20:28 jcamins What would it be used for?
20:28 rangi if i cant someone could try on their server and ill point dns there
20:28 wizzyrea collaborative RFP'ing
20:28 wizzyrea :D
20:28 wizzyrea like the notices rewrite
20:28 rangi yeah it worked well for that
20:29 ibeardslee rangi: have you been talking with francios about etherpad?
20:29 rangi yep
20:29 ibeardslee sigh scrollback
20:29 rangi hehe
20:32 cait hi kathryn
20:32 wizzyrea hi kathryn :)
20:33 kathryn heya cait and wizzyrea :)
20:34 trea hi kathryn
20:35 kathryn hi there trea
20:36 * jcamins waves to kathryn
20:36 jcamins oleonard: did I ask you your stance on Irish cream, raspberry, and walnuts?
20:38 * oleonard takes a strong pro position on these essential political issues, and condemns those who oppose him.
20:39 trea let the record show my stalwart support for Irish cream, and it's constituents; ice and highball glasses.
20:39 rangi and chocolate
20:39 wahanui chocolate is finite, we ate it all :)
20:39 kathryn hello jcamins, and all your cheerful selves!
20:40 jcamins trea: I don't know, I think highball glasses might not work so well as a fudge flavor.
20:40 oleonard wahanui: When bots start eating chocolate, that's when the war with machines begins
20:40 wahanui oleonard: what?
20:40 wizzyrea ice either.
20:40 trea oh, then we're talking about something else then
20:40 jcamins Also, the ice wouldn't last.
20:40 trea rabble rabble rabble
20:40 cait hm must be friday
20:40 rangi yes
20:40 jcamins cait: or December.
20:40 cait or both!
20:40 rangi and we stop at 1pm today
20:40 trea it's friday somewhere. Where "somewhere = NZ"
20:40 cait oh
20:41 rangi level 7 at catalyst does anyway
20:41 wizzyrea I approve of this.
20:41 trea noice
20:41 cait :)
20:41 cait why?
20:41 jcamins It's always 5 o'clock somewhere, right?
20:41 trea because they can
20:41 jcamins cait: to go home and make fudge?
20:41 rangi yes
20:41 cait good reason
20:41 rangi to go to the pub for lunch
20:41 ibeardslee jcamins: actually not really
20:41 rangi steak and beer
20:41 cait jcamins: and wrap the fudge to send to germany?
20:41 mbalmer mmm, steak and beer...
20:41 rangi also
20:41 rangi http://soundcloud.com/bobby-c-sound-tv/shut-em-down-bobby-c-sound-tv
20:42 cait what happaned to beer o clock?
20:42 rangi that starts at 4
20:42 rangi we'll be finished lunch by then silly
20:42 rangi :)
20:42 wizzyrea goes quite well with the SOPA hearings
20:42 cait oh... sorry
20:42 cait :)
20:42 ibeardslee at 5:15, it's not 5:00 anywhere because timezones don't do 15 minutes
20:42 * trea gets out his giant Flava Flava alarm clock necklace and shutter shades.
20:42 wizzyrea ^^ would pay to see that IRL
20:43 jcamins ibeardslee: true.
20:43 * wizzyrea walks to the other room
20:43 * cait too
20:43 mbalmer ibeardslee, some timezones do 30 minutes offsets
20:43 * ibeardslee had a boozy lunch with a supplier on tuesday .. wasn't very enthused about when when I got back into the office at 4pm
20:43 jcamins ibeardslee: it's always between happy hour somewhere.
20:43 rangi i love lazer hip-hop massive
20:43 trea that is killin
20:43 ibeardslee mbalmer: yes that's the minimum
20:43 rangi also, i love how you can just totally make up genres on soundcloud
20:43 trea yes
20:44 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6SBsbjgyc0 <-- now with dancing robots
20:44 * ibeardslee went to listen the NZSO on soundcloud last night, so installed the android app for it .. wanted me to login via facebook
20:44 rangi speaking of nzso
20:44 wizzyrea I approve of this
20:44 ibeardslee facebook is *not* a universal authenticator!
20:44 rangi http://wotzon.com/eventlisting.php?event_id=5019912
20:44 jcamins wizzyrea: do you have a link to the library instruction videos NEKLS did wit xtranormal?
20:45 rangi family fun day with nzso at te papa tomorrow
20:45 wizzyrea instruction videos...
20:45 * wizzyrea thinks
20:45 trea jealous! still missing te papa
20:45 jcamins ibeardslee: does Facebook do OpenID?
20:46 wizzyrea http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6875651/library-nerds
20:46 ibeardslee jcamins: don't think so
20:46 wizzyrea i'm trying to think of which instructional videos we did
20:46 jcamins wizzyrea: heh. That's pretty cute.
20:47 wizzyrea http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7211409/swkls-tech-day?page=1
20:47 wizzyrea today I referred to mucking about in cataloging as "going to the gamma quadrant'
20:48 trea strangely apropo
20:48 wizzyrea [off] http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6840909/whats-the-deal-with-kohaorg?page=1 also this
20:49 jcamins Thanks. I swear I remember one of your librarians doing a "how to find journals" or something like that.
20:49 wizzyrea hmm
20:50 jcamins I just found one by another library. I'll use that one.
20:51 wizzyrea http://www.xtranormal.com/search/?q=library
20:51 wizzyrea lots of them :)
20:51 jcamins Yup. :)
20:56 rangi nope
20:56 Hukk Anyone home?
20:56 cait hi Hukk
20:56 rangi not enough ram to run etherpad on my linode
20:56 cait what does it need?
20:56 rangi more than the 512 i have
20:57 rangi (and thats already mostly used by piwik and bugzilla)
20:58 Hukk I am putting lists on my library's catalog. I put one title on the wrong list and can't figure out how to delete it
20:59 Hukk The only option seems to be to leave it there or delete the whole list
20:59 rangi what version of koha?
21:00 Hukk Not sure- where could I find that info?
21:00 rangi the about page
21:00 rangi in the staff interface
21:00 rangi i get an option to remove selected records
21:03 maximep :S
21:03 rangi or you could quit
21:03 wizzyrea O.o
21:03 rangi https://www.odesk.com/jobs/~~3fe10cfd4f1acdb6?source=rss
21:03 rangi what????
21:03 wizzyrea O.O
21:03 PedroT kicked my self out...regarding my list question - we have version 3.05 (?).
21:04 wizzyrea oh hi wb :)
21:04 rangi hmm do you have the full number?
21:04 rangi 3.05.something.somethingelse
21:04 * wizzyrea seems a bit wide eyed today
21:04 rangi but if its 3.05.00
21:04 rangi then it should have the remove button too
21:04 PedroT let me see if i can go back without kicking myself out...tx
21:05 rangi open another tab :)
21:05 rangi also, if you click on the list, you should get a list of all the items in it
21:05 rangi with checkboxes next to them
21:05 rangi click the checkbox, and click remove selected records
21:05 jcamins Huh.
21:06 jcamins You'd think they would've e-mailed the list, or something.
21:06 * jcamins ponders.
21:07 jcamins Bets that they're using Koha 2.something on Windows?
21:07 rangi yeah highly likely
21:07 oleonard Lots of Koha users seem to be oblivious of the Koha community
21:08 mib_042qfi back again :) Koha version: 3.05.00.010
21:08 jcamins Hm, that's right after the Template Toolkit switchover.
21:08 wizzyrea i sort of recall a bug about that
21:09 * jcamins too
21:09 wizzyrea but it's long fixed
21:09 * jcamins would suggest upgrading to 3.6.1.
21:09 wizzyrea ^^
21:09 rangi and you definitely dont go the remove selected records button showing?
21:09 rangi (before you try to upgrade)
21:10 mib_042qfi omg.....I saw the boxes for check off- the "delete items" is on the bottom of the list ....duh. Thanks for your help.
21:10 rangi but yeah upgrading to an actual released version in the future is no bad thing
21:10 rangi the rule with koha, is if the second number (5 in this case) is odd
21:10 rangi its an unstable version .. even (3.4.x 3.6.x etc) are stable releases
21:11 jcamins rangi: except right now. 3.7.x still says 3.6.x, doesn't it?
21:11 jcamins He's not having much luck with Mibbit, is he?
21:12 rangi jcamins: oh .. we should fix that then
21:12 cait yep, that would be good
21:12 wizzyrea I think he keeps closing the tab
21:12 wizzyrea or navigating away
21:12 wizzyrea oh, you mean the version number
21:12 jcamins rangi: yeah, cait pointed it out to paul_p, but I couldn't follow the conversation.
21:12 wizzyrea >.>
21:13 cait that was about the database numbers... and I thought they were going to fix it (irc meeting?)
21:13 jcamins cait: oh, maybe they are?
21:13 * jcamins just said he couldn't follow the conversation. ;)
21:13 rangi hehe
21:13 rangi it should be in the minutes/log
21:14 cait me neither :)
21:16 oleonard https://twitter.com/#!/SteveKingIA/status/147371129177255936
21:16 jcamins oleonard: watching the SOPA deliberations?
21:16 slef which says?
21:17 oleonard No, but following @EFFLive
21:17 wizzyrea good luck doing that once you pass this law, guy.
21:17 oleonard SOPA is the US's version of the Great Firewall of China slef
21:18 slef or the voluntary but not really always uk one
21:18 oleonard It would give "rights-holders" (media companies) lots of new tools for pulling "infringing" material (and whole web sites) off the internet
21:18 jcamins oleonard: only much worse.
21:18 oleonard ...including foreign-owned ones
21:18 slef took out wikipedia for days, a year or two ago
21:19 slef oh this is big media rather than porn motivated?
21:19 oleonard Yes
21:20 slef shame
21:20 oleonard https://www.eff.org/issues/coica-internet-censorship-and-copyright-bill
21:21 slef yeah it's hard to use a browser from this location just now
21:21 slef I'll look at it tomoz
21:23 slef good luck against it!
21:23 slef but if they're debating it now, I guess what's done is done
21:24 oleonard There's still time to hope.
21:24 oleonard ...but the fact that it has made it this far is pretty sad.
21:24 oleonard Indefinite detentions, internet censorship. Yay America.
21:24 * wizzyrea can hear the enthusiasm in your voice.
21:25 trea tries to make a joke about trademarks. too soon?
21:25 * trea sighs
21:26 rangi heh
21:28 wizzyrea who was it that was looking for autoprint for chrome/ium
21:28 wizzyrea ?
21:28 wizzyrea besides me
21:28 wizzyrea libsysguy maybe?
21:29 * oleonard quits for the day
21:29 wizzyrea bye
21:29 rangi cya oleonard
21:29 jcamins wizzyrea: I don't know, but I saw a recipe that would be great for cooking with a little one the other day. Sadly, I've forgotten what it was.
21:29 wizzyrea jcamins: hehe - thank you?
21:29 wizzyrea <3
21:29 wizzyrea if it involved pounding or rolling or dipping, that's ideal
21:29 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm liable to remember randomly, but not remember *why* I'm remembering it.
21:30 jcamins So I'm telling you in the hopes that when I mention some recipe I wanted to tell #koha about, you'll know why. ;)
21:31 wizzyrea ^.^ got it
21:31 jcamins Oh! I remember!
21:31 jcamins It was calzones.
21:32 wizzyrea oh yes, I neglected "stuffing"
21:32 wizzyrea calzones. sounds like a lovely dinner.
21:32 jcamins The crimping the edges is tricky, but the rest is pretty easy.
21:33 jcamins And they're almost impossible to screw up.
21:33 wizzyrea and can be stuffed with delicious things.
21:33 jcamins Yup.
21:33 wizzyrea I admit I had not tried calzones at home yet
21:35 rhcl 오징어 and ì¥ ê³ ê¸° ...I miss eating them
21:36 slef never actually made them. My pizza bases are always too deep
21:37 rangi http://www.menumania.co.nz/restaurants/country-house-restaurant <-- where eythian and I ate yesterday
21:37 rangi http://www.menumania.co.nz/restaurants/browse/wellington-city/korean all within 10 min radius of catalyst
21:39 wizzyrea nom
21:39 slef heh. Bed Bath and Beyonce
21:41 wizzyrea is there a korean place with karaoke that's kind of back from the street near where you are?
21:41 cait karaoke!
21:42 * wizzyrea remembers such a place but doesn't remember the name
21:42 rangi yes
21:42 rhcl I'm going to move to NZ so I can eat Korean food and go fishing in the big pond.
21:42 rangi there are 2 karaoke ones near us
21:42 rangi korean ones
21:42 rangi the korean bbq one
21:42 rangi and another one
21:42 wizzyrea yes, I think that's the one we went to
21:43 cait timezones--
21:43 cait good night all :)
21:44 slef bye bait
21:44 wizzyrea gnite cait
21:44 jcamins Bye.
21:44 talljoy Hi all. Anyone know of any Koha library using RFID?
21:44 slef cait!
21:44 wizzyrea talljoy: nekls
21:44 cait yes slef?
21:44 wahanui i guess slef is an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge
21:44 cait talljoy: 2 of our libraires use rfid too
21:44 jcamins talljoy: some NEKLS libraries, and I think rhcl was talking about someone else.
21:45 slef talljoy: yes but I don't have access any more.
21:45 jcamins Oh, and I think Los Gatos.
21:45 slef cait: sorry I meant 'bye cait'
21:46 slef autocorrect--
21:46 cait ok :)
21:49 rhcl No, I don't recall talking about anybody else using rfid
21:50 jcamins talljoy: never mind my suggestion that rhcl mentioned an rfid library.
21:51 slef hehe
21:52 rangi coffee time
21:53 slef zz time
21:55 magnus_afk g'night
22:02 talljoy anyone know where the system logs are pulling from? Does it create the data on the fly from the borrower tables or are they stored in their own tables?
22:02 jcamins talljoy: actionlog
22:04 talljoy ok
22:32 jcamins Good night, #koha.
23:16 rangi @marc 519
23:16 huginn` rangi: unknown tag 519
23:17 rangi @marc 591
23:17 huginn` rangi: unknown tag 591
23:46 eythian @wunder wellington, nz
23:46 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (12:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
23:54 jcamins_away rangi: local note.
23:55 jcamins_away rangi: some libraries use it for a local "With" note.
23:55 jcamins_away @marc 501
23:55 huginn` jcamins_away: A note that is used when more than one bibliographic work is contained in a physical item at the time of publishing, release, issue, or execution. The works usually have distinctive titles and lack a collective title. (Repeatable) [a,5,6,8]
23:57 jcamins_away rangi: so you'll have to look at what's in it to determine what the data stored in it is.