Time Nick Message
23:53 * jcamins_away goes to eat dinner.
23:53 jcamins_away trea: never heard of that.
23:44 trea anyone know if there is a bug with serial item deletions not updating their indexes in zebra?
22:37 schuster :) you learn and then I'll pester you later about how you did it.
22:27 wizzyrea ;)
22:27 wizzyrea that's like admitting defeat around here.
22:27 * wizzyrea has never made a syspref
22:27 wizzyrea i will think about that
22:26 wizzyrea which was what we did in the staff client
22:26 jcamins_away Or that.
22:26 wizzyrea or just show both :P
22:26 jcamins Good night, #koha.
22:26 jcamins Make it a syspref, defaulting to the current behavior.
22:26 jcamins I'll sign off on your patch, if you'd like. :)
22:26 * jcamins decides to call it a day.
22:23 wizzyrea or if I did It was at a time when I was much dumber
22:23 wizzyrea you know I didn't ever actually pursue that
22:23 * jcamins would find that more useful, too.
22:22 wizzyrea personally, and I know for my libraries, it'd be nice to see the homebranch instead of the holding branch there
22:21 * jcamins had never thought about it one way or the other before.
22:21 wizzyrea nothing changed there
22:21 wizzyrea right
22:21 jcamins So that's not new.
22:21 wizzyrea and doesn't show home branch
22:21 jcamins Okay.
22:21 jcamins Ah.
22:21 wizzyrea i think that's because it only shows holding branch.
22:20 jcamins No, I mean, I don't see Holding branch *at all*.
22:20 wizzyrea but something like that, you wouldn't necessarily get the website of the library you clicked on
22:20 wizzyrea or the other way around I can't remember
22:20 wizzyrea yes - that was the problem, it was putting the holding branch's url on the home branch name
22:20 * jcamins checks whether he jQuery-d it away.
22:19 jcamins Incidentally, didn't Holding branch show up on the OPAC in the past?
22:16 jcamins Actually, Items.pm isn't as bad as a lot of the other code. But it's still scary.
22:16 wizzyrea (but not search.pm obtuse)
22:16 wizzyrea (I mean, it was a little obtuse)
22:15 wizzyrea (in all truth, I didn't find it *that* obtuse.)
22:15 jcamins Like dementors, the only treatment for items.pm is chocolate.
22:15 wizzyrea hehe ty
22:15 * jcamins reconsiders, sends a bar of dark chocolate.
22:15 * jcamins sends wizzyrea a cookie.
22:15 wizzyrea and was terrified the whole time.
22:14 wizzyrea and yes, I did in fact touch items.pm
22:14 jcamins Huh.
22:14 wizzyrea side effect of one of owens patches to fix the links for the home branch in the opac
22:14 wizzyrea no, actually
22:14 jcamins Ohhh. I see. I bet this is a side effect of sekjal's patch for improving the efficiency.
22:13 wizzyrea tht will need quite a lot of testing
22:13 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7271 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Revert getitems default sort to homebranch instead of holding branch
22:13 wizzyrea bug 7271
22:13 jcamins schuster: it was just idle curiosity. As I said, it's only a minor annoyance. The collectors aren't interested in the staff client.
22:12 schuster jcamins - I'm leaving you in better hands... wizzyrea knows more than I and has done more patches!
22:11 wizzyrea unless that patch I did got in...
22:11 wizzyrea which is dumb.
22:11 wizzyrea it's doing it by holdingbranch
22:11 wizzyrea currently
22:11 jcamins Hm.
22:11 wizzyrea well... I take that back
22:11 wizzyrea I believe.
22:11 wizzyrea dsc
22:11 wizzyrea the regular display is sorted by homebranch -> acquisition date
22:10 schuster On the regular display at one time those were "sorted" by the item type. I am not sure now we would have to look at the template for holdings - table sort
22:08 jcamins It's just a minor annoyance.
22:08 jcamins That could be.
22:08 jcamins Oh, and because I'm adding them one after the other, it's random?
22:07 schuster I was looking at the demo online and that is how those are sorted.
22:07 schuster look at the date added they are not sequential that way are they?
22:07 jcamins And would deny me your company while I'm working on Koha this weekend.
22:06 jcamins That'd be boring.
22:06 jcamins It'd be a shame if you had nothing to do. :P
22:06 schuster sorry my test system is belly up... New project for the weekend
21:54 jcamins But on every other page, the newest item is at the bottom.
21:54 jcamins schuster: I have the newest item on the top.
21:53 schuster Like oldest first or? what order do you see?
21:49 jcamins Ah, right. Thanks, huginn`.
21:49 huginn` jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
21:49 jcamins @quote get 123
21:45 jcamins Hey, does anyone know why item records appear in reverse order in additem.pl?
21:28 trea okay, that would explain it then. jcamins++
21:28 jcamins The latter.
21:28 trea okay, that being said - when the opacsuppression syspref is enabled, and you edit marc records to specify the 942$n to suppress said record, should this take effect immediately? or does it go into the zebraqueue and becomes suppressed after the next run of the zebra cron.
21:28 jcamins For MARC21.
21:28 jcamins trea: usually.
21:26 trea is 942$n the standard field for opac suppression?
21:08 jcamins ago43: Oh, or I could just ask you directly. Could you please attach the offending record to bug 2629?
21:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
21:07 * jcamins can't remember his log on to Bugzilla at the moment. Could someone please ask Albert to attach the offending record to bug 2629?
21:07 rhcl WB!
21:03 schuster Yes sorry, I'm living on the dark side wanting to come back into the light...
20:53 jcamins rhcl: agreed.
20:53 rhcl well, that sounds like koha to me, w/o adjectives
20:44 jcamins rhcl: a server that uses Koha and not a proprietary fork.
20:43 rhcl_lunch schuster: what do you mean by community server?
20:43 jcamins Just make sure they don't think that providing you 3.6.1 is good enough for next summer. ;)
20:43 jcamins schuster: of course.
20:42 schuster Yes, but I have to get them moving now or it will be 6 months before they do anything again!
20:42 schuster ok thanks
20:42 jcamins And by June there should be a 3.8.2 or so.
20:42 jcamins By the end of this month, there will be 3.6.2.
20:42 jcamins schuster: but by next summer, there will be new versions.
20:42 schuster Thanks as always you are a wealth of information!
20:41 jcamins schuster: that's correct.
20:41 schuster OK so if I wanted the most stable up to date I should go for the 3.6.1? We're going to build a community server for possible production next summer and have to give information to a third party.
20:40 jcamins 3.6.1 is the most up-to-date stable version, but 3.4.7 was released after 3.6.1.
20:39 jcamins schuster: no, that's correct. There are multiple stable versions.
20:39 schuster Confused looking at the download koha link - 3.6.1 was released November 29th, 2011, and it is saying 3.4.7 was released Dec 7th. I assume that is really 3.6.? the most recently done?
20:20 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009)
20:20 wizzyrea @quote get 17
20:20 huginn` wizzyrea: 2 found: #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon..." and #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!"
20:20 wizzyrea @quote search bacon
20:20 wizzyrea lol
20:20 huginn` rangi: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
20:20 rangi @quote get 95
20:20 rangi and robins too
20:19 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
20:19 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
20:19 wizzyrea @quote get 91
20:19 rangi that one!
20:19 huginn` wizzyrea: 2 found: #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase..." and #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention..."
20:19 wizzyrea @quote search kitten
20:19 huginn` rangi: Error: There is no Quote with id #90 in my database for #koha.
20:19 Rural Alright! Z39.50 searches are working. Almost ready to throw a librarian at this system.
20:19 rangi @quote get 90
20:19 rangi hmm
20:19 huginn` rangi: Quote #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use proprietary software." (added by chris_n at 05:36 PM, January 19, 2011)
20:19 rangi @quote get 115
20:19 huginn` jcamins: Quote #129: "jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git." (added by wizzyrea at 07:01 PM, April 27, 2011)
20:19 jcamins @quote get 129
20:19 rangi and the kitten one
20:18 wizzyrea you'd end up with about the same amount of brain left either way
20:17 trea indeed
20:17 wizzyrea that's a good one too
20:17 jcamins That one is pretty great.
20:17 wizzyrea hehe
20:17 rangi thats my fave
20:17 huginn` rangi: Quote #130: "rangi: or you could save time and just slam your head on the desk multiple times now, cos without tracking ur changes, ull be doing that after trying to upgrade" (added by wizzyrea at 07:02 PM, April 27, 2011)
20:17 rangi @quote get 130
20:17 jcamins Ah. Yes, it makes me laugh, too.
20:17 wizzyrea it makes me laugh
20:17 wizzyrea um, yes and no
20:17 wahanui i heard Quote #173: "rangi: there was so much stuff in Koha that is a result of 'omg huginn`'s staff wont do what they are told to. Please punish the whole world for me.'" (added by wizzyrea at 05:10 PM, December 09, 2011)
20:17 jcamins Quote #173: "rangi: there?
20:17 jcamins wizzyrea: was that in response to something?
20:16 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
20:16 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #173: "rangi: there is so much stuff in Koha that is a result of 'omg my staff wont do what they are told to. Please punish the whole world for me.'" (added by wizzyrea at 05:10 PM, December 09, 2011)
20:16 wizzyrea @quote get 173
20:13 Rural Ah! Library of Congress. Gotcha.
20:11 jcamins Rural: I'd imagine it would be just as fast to just enter LC by hand.
20:09 Rural Suppose I should find the sample ones to install.
20:07 trea thanks for the help everyone
20:07 Rural Hmmm... I don't see any sample Z39.50 servers.
20:07 trea ah, my bad. in this case using where done = 0 only shows a few items, that are well within the cron's interval
20:06 jwagner trea, this query will show you titles of bibs that are waiting for indexing: select zebraqueue.id, zebraqueue.biblio_auth_number, zebraqueue.operation, zebraqueue.server, zebraqueue.done, zebraqueue.time, biblio.title from zebraqueue join biblio on (zebraqueue.biblio_auth_number = biblio.biblionumber) where done = '0' and zebraqueue.server = 'biblioserver'
20:05 rangi cos select * will show you done stuff too, unless you use the where
20:05 jcamins Rural: none of the servers listed on irspy should require username/password, so far as I know.
20:04 jcamins trea: and if you run it manually with -v, does it say anything?
20:04 rangi where done is 0 ?
20:04 trea select * from zebraqueue has a ton of old stuff in it
20:04 Rural Just have to find one that I don't need a name or password to access.
20:04 jcamins trea: How do you know it's not updating?
20:04 wizzyrea oh did you install the sample z servers?
20:03 Rural I don't think it's a firewall issue. (Networks are my thing.)
20:03 trea any suggestions on how to deal with a zebraqueue that doesn't seem to be updating via the cronjob?
20:01 rangi (as well as get the right config)
20:01 jcamins Rural: if you installed the sample Z39.50 servers, the LC one should Just Work.
20:00 rangi sometimes you need to open some outbound ports
20:00 rangi Rural: you arent behind a firewall eh?
20:00 Rural Thanks.
20:00 Rural Ya. This is making sense. I don't think I've been successful at adding a Z39.50 search target. But I get the picture.
19:48 wizzyrea or at least, as I understand it
19:48 wizzyrea but, that 2nd link up there is pretty much exctly what you're wanting to do
19:48 wizzyrea koha does lots of stuff :)
19:48 Rural But I'm not complaining.
19:48 Rural Ya. I'm digging through the manual and reading a newbie guide. It's a lot to take in.
19:48 wizzyrea most times people do this by ISBN
19:47 Rural Gotcha.
19:47 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/cataloging.html#addbibrec
19:47 wahanui manual is, like, at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
19:47 wizzyrea manual?
19:47 * wizzyrea just goes to the manual... one minute
19:46 wizzyrea z39.50 search
19:46 wizzyrea in cataloging
19:46 wizzyrea so there's a button
19:46 Rural Ok.
19:46 wizzyrea ^^
19:45 jcamins Rural: that's what copy cataloging is all about. You'd use Z39.50 if you don't have a subscription to OCLC.
19:45 Rural I see that I can import Marc records.
19:45 wizzyrea oh
19:45 Rural Just trying to save our librarians from having to enter all of a book's information.
19:44 wizzyrea keke
19:44 wahanui somebody said the first question was "What are you trying to do?"
19:44 wizzyrea the first question?
19:44 wizzyrea what are you trying to do exactly?
19:44 Rural Nice.
19:44 wizzyrea koha is an online catalog :P
19:43 Rural Or can Koha tie into an online catalog? That would be much better.
19:43 Rural Thanks.
19:42 jcamins Rural: irspy has a list of Z39.50 targets you can use.
19:42 jcamins Even better.
19:42 wahanui somebody said irspy was a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See http://irspy.indexdata.com.
19:42 jcamins irspy?
19:41 jcamins irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See http://irspy.indexdata.com.
19:41 wahanui jcamins: I forgot irspy
19:41 jcamins wahanui: forget irspy
19:41 jcamins There we go.
19:41 wahanui irspy is, like, http://irspy.indexdata.com
19:41 jcamins irspy?
19:41 jcamins irspy is http://irspy.indexdata.com.
19:41 jcamins irspy?
19:41 Rural On a different topic: There must be catalogs of common books that one can import into Koha. Probably a plethora to choose from. Any pointers/suggestions?
19:40 jcamins Rural: nonsense. Fresh eyes are always welcome. :D
19:40 wizzyrea ah yea, making koha better is on everyone's list
19:39 Rural jcamins: I've got about 20 minutes of experience running Koha. Jumping into the code would be premature. But after I've got some more experience... I'll put it on my list.
19:31 rangi heh
19:31 jcamins rangi: what have you done to me?!? I've been channelling you all day!
19:30 jcamins Rural: you should try it. It would be a good way to get your feet wet on the code, if you haven't contributed anything yet. :)
19:30 libsysguy ahh well played sir...
19:29 rangi hit http://library.plantandfood.co.nz
19:29 rangi no, whole site is ssl
19:28 libsysguy ok cool, except the login page?
19:28 rangi redirect
19:28 Rural jcamins: Thanks. And I agree. It would be nifty.
19:28 libsysguy rangi how did you do your redirect...did you actually do a redirect or just a rewite rule?
19:25 jcamins ;)
19:25 jcamins *hinthint*
19:25 jcamins And shouldn't be too hard.
19:25 jcamins Rural: making the IP range support the standard /n notation would be pretty nifty, though.
19:25 jcamins Rural: not to my knowledge.
19:24 Rural So... No way to specify non-aligned sub-net ranges (ie. a /20)?
19:23 jcamins Just FYI. ;)
19:23 wizzyrea eh, i'm tasty. let em bite.
19:23 jcamins wizzyrea: if you put the subfields in that order, your catalogers are liable to bite your head off.
19:22 huginn` wizzyrea: unknown field/subfield combination (245/bpnh)
19:22 wizzyrea @marc 245 bpnh
19:22 wizzyrea oh
19:22 huginn` wizzyrea: unknown tag b
19:22 wizzyrea @marc b
19:22 wizzyrea that's what I needed :P
19:22 wizzyrea see
19:22 huginn` wizzyrea: unknown tag bpnh
19:22 wizzyrea @marc bpnh
19:22 wizzyrea can you string them together
19:21 wizzyrea :)
19:21 wizzyrea hrmph
19:21 jcamins ^^ isn't that cool?
19:21 huginn` jcamins: Medium
19:21 jcamins @marc 245 h
19:21 jcamins wizzyrea: also, watch this:
19:21 jcamins wizzyrea: 245$h is medium.
19:20 nengard couldn't get good flights
19:20 wizzyrea bummer
19:20 nengard 5 days away for training on this one
19:20 wizzyrea oof
19:20 nengard and i'm gone all next week :(
19:20 nengard too much to get done
19:20 nengard can't go slow
19:20 wizzyrea go slow, homie.
19:20 rangi yep, in your name :)
19:19 nengard i'm trying to do 300 things at once and can't type fast enough
19:19 nengard did i have a typo?
19:19 nengard oh no
19:19 Rural When setting the IP range of a library, can one set oddball ranges, like a /20?
19:19 rangi im gonna call nengard that now
19:19 rangi hhehe nicoe
19:18 wizzyrea s
19:18 wizzyrea n is number
19:18 * rangi stabs himself for knowing that
19:18 wizzyrea p is part I know
19:18 wizzyrea I just konw people get mad when bpnh are missing, i can never remember which is which
19:18 wizzyrea b! yes
19:18 rangi b isnt it?
19:18 wizzyrea hey jcamins what's the marc field for subtitle, 245 ---- h?
19:17 wizzyrea "Blank - 300 empty pages to fill with your own (*&#(@$ theories"
19:17 wizzyrea keke
19:17 wizzyrea *nod*
19:17 rangi its funny, cos its true
19:16 wizzyrea Slurp by the author of The Tipping Point - What kittens' tongues teach us about derivatives
19:16 libsysguy use it wisely
19:16 wizzyrea oh my
19:16 rangi heh libsysguy
19:15 rangi teehee http://www.malcolmgladwellbookgenerator.com/
19:15 libsysguy rangi i give you this link http://instantboss.org/
19:14 libsysguy right
19:14 libsysguy or something of the like
19:14 rangi since now without a passphrase anyone can use it if they get hold of it
19:14 libsysguy i think the group permissions are just set on ssl_group
19:14 rangi right
19:14 rangi just root
19:14 rangi or even group
19:14 rangi make sure you get the permissions on the file write, so its not readable by all
19:13 libsysguy awww yeahhh rangi ++
19:13 rangi https://support.vazio.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=122
19:13 libsysguy those guys working on apache :p
19:13 libsysguy oh look at that its already enabled
19:12 libsysguy i suppose I should listen on 443 as well
19:12 rangi that just redirects to the 443 one
19:12 rangi one on port 80
19:12 rangi i have 2 opac virtualhosts
19:12 libsysguy cool
19:11 rangi yes
19:11 libsysguy if i just put the config in the opac side of things i get a 400 error
19:10 libsysguy secondly...I guess I should configure the virtualhost to use 443 instead of just dumping SSL in the normal opac config
19:10 wizzyrea the things you learn here.
19:10 libsysguy and yes ew
19:10 libsysguy gotcha
19:10 wizzyrea ew.
19:09 rangi if you want to use it with apache
19:09 wizzyrea or once it's authd it's cool
19:09 rangi yes, so you will want to strip the passphrase
19:09 wizzyrea curiosity - does a restart break it every time then?
19:09 rangi well you can use ssl for lots of things
19:09 libsysguy indeed
19:09 rangi if you chose to put a passphrase on the key
19:09 jcamins That seems less than ideal.
19:09 rangi yes
19:09 rangi practicality wise
19:08 jcamins Does it ask for a passphrase every time it starts?
19:08 rangi kinda suck
19:08 libsysguy rangi++
19:08 rangi so thats cool security wise
19:08 rangi yeah
19:08 wizzyrea woohoo
19:08 libsysguy rangi thats it
19:08 libsysguy main log
19:08 rangi it might be asking for a pass phrase
19:08 rangi try a stop then start
19:08 wizzyrea tailing the main log or the log for the virtualhost?
19:07 libsysguy just a restart
19:07 rangi did you do a stop, then a start?
19:07 libsysguy i was tailing it
19:07 libsysguy I didn't see anything
19:07 libsysguy i figured i screwed up somewhere :p
19:07 rangi nothing in the error log?
19:07 rangi hmm that wont be a koha specific thing
19:07 libsysguy and I can't figure out what im doing wrong (first ssl config)
19:06 libsysguy apache keeps dying on me when i enable the ssl engine with the path to the key/crt
19:06 rangi yup
19:06 libsysguy anybody using SSL with Koha
18:39 jcamins chris_n: oh, I hate debugging scripts like that.
18:39 cait heh
18:39 chris_n heh
18:38 * jcamins is jealous. :P
18:38 * chris_n is also tired of debugging a script which takes 5 min to execute each run
18:38 jcamins You get a quota of good ideas per *week*?
18:38 chris_n but what you said sounds fine to me
18:38 chris_n its friday and I've run out of good ideas for the week ;-)
18:37 jcamins chris_n: thanks. Just checking you didn't have any better ideas.
18:33 jcamins I really don't like having anything to do with the UI in the pm, though.
18:31 jcamins (so that all the script does is have the single call "print ServeImage($query)";
18:30 jcamins Unless, I suppose, I export both a RetrieveImage function and a ServeImage function, the latter of which produces the output with headers.
18:30 chris_n I suppose you'll have to do two scripts then
18:29 jcamins chris_n: the problem is that it has to be served by Apache, which means that there has to be a .pl to actually output the image data.
18:28 * chris_n wonders if the image retrieval could be a function in a pm rather than a stand-alone
18:28 jcamins All the code that actually does the work was moved out of the .pl script and into a .pm, but there's still a little duplication.
18:26 jcamins chris_n: I need your opinion on something: the cover images will need to be retrieved on both the intranet and OPAC. How should that be handled? An opac-image.pl script and a catalogue/image.pl script?
18:25 chris_n yup
18:24 jcamins chris_n: around?
18:07 * cait nibbles on her cookie
18:07 cait positive reinforcement,nice
18:07 cait heh
18:07 * jcamins hands cait a cookie to reward her for having left work only shortly after rangi got up.
18:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7316 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, semarie-koha, ASSIGNED , Missing escaping in search results
18:02 jenkins_koha semarie-koha: Bug 7316 - Missing escaping in search results
18:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #22: SUCCESS in 57 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/22/
18:00 libsysguy maybe :p
18:00 libsysguy nevermind I Think i found it on the wiki
17:59 libsysguy for a report can i do a selector for itemtype from biblioitems?
17:54 rangi yeah .. not easy
17:52 jcamins DocBook->proprietary DTD->MARC = :'(
17:51 jcamins Yikes. Poor David.
17:49 wizzyrea ^^
17:48 rhcl at least she's pondering and not pounding
17:48 rhcl yea, that was my reaction too
17:48 rangi im shocked!!!
17:47 * wizzyrea hopes that you are all laughing too hard to continue typing.
17:45 * wizzyrea ponders the blue balls of jenkins
17:45 chris_n rangi: hopefully three blue before the end of the day :)
17:42 rangi yep
17:41 jcamins Build numbers, I think.
17:41 rhcl what do the #numbers on the graph mean?
17:41 * wizzyrea cheers
17:35 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/monitor/? two blue now!
17:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7316 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, semarie-koha, ASSIGNED , Missing escaping in search results
17:34 jenkins_koha semarie-koha: Bug 7316 - Missing escaping in search results
17:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #68: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 25 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/68/
17:29 kf bye all
17:29 kf okok
17:29 kf hmpf
17:23 * wizzyrea shoos kf
17:23 kf I broke the rule
17:23 kf oh no
17:23 wizzyrea hehe
17:22 rangi thats the rule hehe
17:22 rangi if im awake, you shouldnt be at work
17:22 wizzyrea bye kf :)
17:22 kf I should go
17:22 kf oh
17:20 wizzyrea francharb_afk was ;)
17:20 wizzyrea oh I"m not going anywhere
17:20 kf bye wizzyrea
17:14 wizzyrea bye
17:14 wizzyrea be
17:14 * wizzyrea understands how most quotes get added by her now.
17:14 francharb_afk see ya
17:14 francharb_afk i need to go!
17:13 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #173: "rangi: there is so much stuff in Koha that is a result of 'omg my staff wont do what they are told to. Please punish the whole world for me.'" (added by wizzyrea at 05:10 PM, December 09, 2011)
17:13 rangi francharb_afk: exactly
17:13 wizzyrea @quote get 173
17:13 huginn` wizzyrea: Error: There is no Quote with id #172 in my database for #koha.
17:13 wizzyrea @quote get 172
17:13 jcamins Oh yeah? Just ask Borders!
17:13 jcamins Description of the relator term "bookseller": "Interest in the material is primarily lucrative."
17:13 francharb_afk i know but it feels like, since it's open source, people think they can customize as hell their system but when you come to upgrade, well, custom system is not that funny anymore...
17:10 rangi most software has stuff like that in it
17:10 francharb_afk s/it's only/it's not only
17:10 huginn` wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:10 rangi not just a library one too
17:10 wizzyrea @quote delete 172
17:10 rangi hehe
17:10 francharb_afk ;)
17:10 francharb_afk i'm please to see it's only a french problem
17:09 francharb_afk for this one
17:09 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #172 added.
17:09 wizzyrea @quote add member:rangi: there is so much stuff in Koha that is a result of 'omg my staff wont do what they are told to' member:rangi: please punish the whole world for me
17:09 francharb_afk rangi++
17:09 * jcamins gives up.
17:08 huginn` jcamins: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
17:08 jcamins @quote add rangi: there is so much stuff in Koha that is a result of 'omg my staff wont do what they are told to' rangi: please punish the whole world for me
17:08 rangi please punish the whole world for me
17:08 rangi there is so much stuff in koha that is a result of 'omg my staff wont do what they are told to'
17:07 rangi they usually always are
17:07 wizzyrea "don't do that!"
17:07 wizzyrea a training problem.
17:07 wizzyrea additionally - I think the original problem is really a people problem.
17:06 wizzyrea you might, given enough hours with me, hear me utter "oh god, they are quote 123'ing it!"
17:05 wizzyrea and not just in libraries.
17:05 * wizzyrea finds instances of quote 123 all over the place now
17:04 huginn` jcamins: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
17:04 jcamins huginn`: hey!
17:04 huginn` jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
17:04 jcamins @quote get 123
17:04 jenkins_koha Starting build 22 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:04 * jcamins agrees with that statement.
17:04 jcamins I mean, counting is easy enough.
17:04 kf yay!
17:04 jcamins kf: I don't really see the point, though.
17:04 jcamins wizzyrea: right.
17:04 kf team #koha support
17:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7316 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, semarie-koha, ASSIGNED , Missing escaping in search results
17:04 jenkins_koha semarie-koha: Bug 7316 - Missing escaping in search results
17:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #562: SUCCESS in 1 h 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/562/
17:04 wizzyrea it sounds like you have a quote 123 on your hands
17:04 rangi its for when you are a single branch
17:03 rangi ziggactly
17:03 wizzyrea because that is not what it's for.
17:03 rangi what wizzyrea said
17:03 wizzyrea which actually brings me back to my original point, that libraries with multiple branches shouldn't be using single branch mode ever.
17:03 kf :)
17:02 rangi what kf said
17:02 wizzyrea it makes sense to specify
17:02 kf jcamins: I think it was made for libraries with only 1 branch - so should work everywhere
17:02 wizzyrea if SBM does nothing to the intranet
17:02 wizzyrea it is if we decide that SBM is really OPAC-SBM
17:01 jcamins wizzyrea: but I think SingleBranchMode is a confusing name, since it makes it sound like you're disabling multiple branches, when really you should just be changing the OPAC.
17:01 jcamins wizzyrea: and then just use jQuery to hide the selection thing on the staff client if necessary.
17:01 wizzyrea I think we can deal with using the tools we've already got
17:00 wizzyrea because any quote 123 that a library can come up with for the staff sied
17:00 jcamins wizzyrea: that makes sense to me.
17:00 wizzyrea like the description says
17:00 wizzyrea then i assert that SBM should ONLY do the OPAC
17:00 reiveune bye
17:00 jcamins [off] Patrons can't be trusted with knowledge of other branches. :P
16:59 jcamins But some libraries insist.
16:59 jcamins wizzyrea: yes, the best option is to not use single branch mode at all.
16:59 jcamins wizzyrea: the workaround is jcamins_lib1, jcamins_lib2, jcamins_lib3, jcamins_lib4, if you're insistent on using single branch mode.
16:59 wizzyrea that don't involve single branch mode.
16:58 wizzyrea mmmmmm there are other ways around that
16:58 jcamins wizzyrea: centralized cataloging.
16:58 nengard cause one to control both staff and opac is silly
16:58 wizzyrea WHY
16:58 wizzyrea now I can get behind that
16:58 nengard but i agree with jcamins that we should have two prefs
16:58 nengard bug 7156 says the description is wrong
16:58 jcamins And SingleBranchMode should *only* affect display, not holds too.
16:58 * wizzyrea doesn't find it confusing
16:58 jcamins *because
16:57 wizzyrea single branch is a single branch in both opac and intranet
16:57 jcamins nengard: well, that's what bug 4941 is about. Also, "SingleBranchMode" should be renamed, becuse it's a confusing name.
16:57 wizzyrea or just change the pref descriptions
16:57 nengard right??
16:57 nengard becuase right now it does both but says it only does opac
16:57 nengard one for staff and one for opac
16:57 nengard so what we need is to close some of those and open a new one that says SingleBranchMode should be two prefs
16:57 wizzyrea right, SBM apparently does that
16:56 jcamins Which is what nengard asked for initially.
16:56 wizzyrea ^^ is the right path, I think
16:56 jcamins wizzyrea: except, really, there should be an option to not let people change which branch they're looking at.
16:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7314 minor, P4, ---, ian.walls, NEW , Remove singleBranchMode system preference in favour of counting configured branches
16:56 wizzyrea bug 7314
16:56 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=singlebranchmode
16:56 wizzyrea and there's a bug for that too
16:56 wizzyrea well ian has a point - we oughta just count brances
16:55 jcamins wizzyrea: arguably it should be split into two sysprefs, and made so that it doesn't impact anything else.
16:55 wizzyrea I'm going to double check tho
16:55 francharb_afk thanks
16:55 francharb_afk hummm
16:55 wizzyrea no, I don't think there was
16:54 francharb_afk wizzyrea, but it's a syspref, not a patron permission...
16:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7156 major, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , singleBranchMode description wrong
16:54 nengard it's a dup of bug 7156
16:54 wizzyrea singlebranchmode, I thought
16:54 francharb_afk s/there was/there were
16:54 francharb_afk right?
16:54 francharb_afk am i dreaming? there was a permission before that allow librarian to set or not their library?
16:54 wizzyrea 4941
16:53 wizzyrea jcamins
16:53 wizzyrea can we close that bug as "invalid"
16:53 * jcamins sighs.
16:53 jcamins *fixed
16:53 jcamins nengard: hm. It might be broken.
16:53 jcamins wizzyrea: yes, that is the point, I thought.
16:53 nengard i'm not seeing a bug about SingleBranchMode and holds
16:53 Oak me go now
16:53 nengard right
16:53 wizzyrea ...but isn't that the point?
16:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4941 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Can't set branch in staff client when singleBranchMode is enabled
16:53 jcamins nengard: there's a possibility that it was fixed in the last few months, I suppose.
16:53 wizzyrea uh, bug 4941
16:52 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2813 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Holds to Pull (pendingreserves.pl) to be limited by SingleBranchMode
16:52 wizzyrea bug 2813
16:52 * jcamins reported one at some point.
16:52 jcamins nengard: somewhere...
16:52 nengard I assume so
16:52 nengard is there a bug for that?
16:52 wizzyrea etc.
16:52 nengard OH!!!!!
16:51 wizzyrea 2. does something to holds
16:51 jcamins nengard: right. If you turn on SingleBranchMode, holds are broken.
16:51 wizzyrea 1. hides what you are referring to
16:51 wizzyrea turning it on has multiple effects
16:51 wizzyrea he means using singlebranchmode mucks holds
16:51 nengard the one in the top right
16:51 nengard i asked about the 'set library' link
16:51 nengard i didn't ask about holds
16:51 jcamins I think. Check with sekjal on the exact problem.
16:51 jcamins nengard: there is a preference, but it doesn't really work with holds.
16:50 wizzyrea ^^ I was going to suggest that
16:50 jcamins nengard: you could hide it with jQuery.
16:50 nengard but there is a preference :)
16:50 jcamins nengard: so, no.
16:49 nengard hmmm
16:49 jcamins nengard: SingleBranchMode.
16:49 francharb_afk nengard, i dont think so
16:49 nengard is there a permission that stops staff from seeing the 'set library' option?
16:49 francharb_afk ;)
16:48 francharb_afk we should do a christmas css...
16:47 francharb_afk <cookie>?
16:47 kf we should do a secret koha santa next year
16:47 kf cookie exchange - that's a good idea
16:47 * wizzyrea sends cookies to kf
16:46 kf long day, still at work
16:46 * kf sends cookies
16:46 wizzyrea <3
16:46 kf wizzyrea: hehe :)
16:46 wizzyrea kf ok ok ok
16:46 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "somesuch" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
16:46 jcamins @karma somesuch
16:46 kf :)
16:46 kf wizzyrea: it's nto items!
16:46 francharb_afk haha
16:46 jcamins somesuch++
16:46 francharb_afk aq-items is too close to items
16:45 francharb_afk list
16:45 francharb_afk record
16:45 francharb_afk order
16:45 francharb_afk item
16:45 francharb_afk i like having a simple word for a tag
16:43 wizzyrea hehe
16:43 francharb_afk <somesuch>? ;^)
16:41 wizzyrea or aq-items or somesuch
16:41 francharb_afk <order> tag sounds good to me
16:41 wizzyrea hiyas :D
16:41 francharb_afk i like the idea ok kf
16:41 * wizzyrea waves
16:41 francharb_afk hi wizzyrea !
16:38 wizzyrea http://blog.archive.org/2011/12/07/please-donate-to-the-internet-archive/ OpenLibrary/Internet Archive needs monies.
16:37 wizzyrea aww
16:33 kf I am not sure.
16:33 kf because it also has acq relevant information?
16:33 kf perhaps we could name it <order>?
16:33 wahanui well, the other thing is i want to upgrade the version of koha. how?
16:33 kf and the other thing
16:33 kf I know some libraries use additional services from vendors. like putting in the inventory numbers, barcodes etc for them
16:32 kf I think item information is interesting
16:32 kf ah
16:32 wizzyrea hup
16:32 wahanui i think here is where I work
16:32 kf wizzyrea: still here?
16:31 gaetan_B bye!
16:31 kf done I mean
16:31 kf I think it was 3.6
16:31 wizzyrea someone explain to me why days off go by lightning quick, when work days just drag and drag.
16:30 wizzyrea sometime
16:30 wizzyrea I think rangi told me that the patches for that were done? it was last night
16:28 chris_n grrrr
16:28 * chris_n goes after 3.4.x "STILL UNSTABLE"
16:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , late order management
16:27 wizzyrea kf, what do you think of Francois' latest comment on bug 5347
16:17 wizzyrea [off] You are MOST welcome. I thought I'd share that brainworm around.
16:17 kf lol
16:16 jcamins [off] Now I'm misreading asaurat's nick, too. Thanks a lot, wizzyrea!
16:08 jenkins_koha Starting build 68 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 2 mo. 1 j ago)
16:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6818 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , acquisitions basket groups could use some design work
16:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
16:08 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7028 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , koha-conf.xml template that comes with the packages needs updating
16:08 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6818 - acquisitions basket groups could use some design work
16:08 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6679: fix missing use strict
16:08 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 7028 - updated the koha-conf.xml template
16:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #21: SUCCESS in 1 h 9 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/21/
16:08 jcamins danmc: I suppose you could make it depend on a default MPM and put in the warning "not to be used in production."
16:07 jcamins danmc: anyway, yes, itk should really remain a requirement.
16:03 jcamins danmc: whoops. I knew it was some sort of port.
16:03 danmc jcamins: sorry, phone. not Arch port, but the NetBSD package and our apache package doesn't currently have itk.
15:53 * chris_n really must learn to add correctly if he is going to continue to teach higher math :-P
15:53 paul_p ("hey, you want a book about science, but you're a philosophy student, are u sure ?)
15:52 maximep paul_p: ah, that makes sense, thanks.
15:52 paul_p it's useless if it's a password, or a statistical category for example. But it can be usefull if it's a login, or contain the cursus the patron is doing at the school
15:51 paul_p it means that, when you're on circulation pages, this ext attribute will also be displayed on the left
15:51 paul_p maximep, display in checkout =
15:50 jcamins danmc: ah. This is for the Arch port? I'd strongly recommend requiring itk.
15:49 danmc mostly because itk isn't shipped directly with apache and it has to be patched into the sources (or install from a build that had it patched into its sources)
15:49 jcamins danmc: why would you want to use a different MPM?
15:49 jcamins danmc: the alternative is to lose all the security benefits that having a different user provides.
15:48 jcamins Oh yes.
15:48 * jcamins channels rangi.
15:48 danmc so itk really is the way to go then?
15:47 jcamins danmc: but don't.
15:47 jcamins danmc: if you don't care about security, you could use a different MPM.
15:47 danmc is the mpm-itk bit in apache still required for koha or are there other ways?
15:43 maximep which is totally wrong :/
15:42 maximep maybe I should just take a look at the fr-FR translation -_-
15:41 maximep I have to translate it in french, but I don't understand it
15:41 maximep in patron check-out ??
15:41 maximep Display in check-out: Check to show this attribute in patron check-out.
15:41 maximep modify patron attribute type
15:29 * libsysguy was all like 0_0 with all the conflicts
15:28 jcamins libsysguy: that explains it.
15:27 libsysguy jcamins...ahh it looks like they were already broken then rangi patched them to remove it
15:24 jcamins libsysguy: git log [filename]?
15:24 libsysguy I would but I don't have anything based on master currently running
15:23 maximep I hate that
15:23 maximep just discovered a loop scoping problem in addbiblio.tt, but afraid I don't have time to send a patch :/
15:23 jcamins Wasn't me.
15:22 libsysguy i just did a merge for hourly and all the XSLT MOD files were in conflict because of that pesky ^M at the end of every line
15:22 jcamins libsysguy: ?
15:21 libsysguy ok so who was the wise guy who committed the DOS files...
15:18 jcamins Mmm. Friday. :)
15:16 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza
15:14 jenkins_koha Starting build 562 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
15:12 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7316 - Missing escaping in search results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=48173560ba583da4fe6d3f2ba2f071573b4b927e>
15:12 jcamins Third answer.
15:12 jcamins http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=75660
15:10 chris_n magnuse: on second glance it might be coerced to do what I need
15:08 * jcamins learns something new.
15:08 * chris_n often is :)
15:08 chris_n magnuse: it didn't look so, but I may be missing something
15:07 magnuse that wouldn't be the schwarzian transform, would it?
15:06 jcamins It seems to me there's a clever Perl way to do it.
15:06 chris_n ie not ascending/dec/etc
15:06 chris_n the order is non-standard
15:06 jcamins I see.
15:06 chris_n the list to be sorted is made up of the keys of a hash; the list to define the order those keys should be in is the second list
15:05 jcamins Or, how should it?
15:05 jcamins chris_n: I mean, how does the second array influence the first?
15:05 chris_n jcamins: that's what I'd like to know :-)
15:05 jcamins Ah.
15:05 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7316 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, semarie-koha, ASSIGNED , Missing escaping in search results
15:05 chris_n tnx paul_p
15:05 jcamins bug 7316
15:04 chris_n The period of immaturity or youth.
15:04 paul_p chris_n, 7316 pushed
15:04 jcamins chris_n: how do you sort one array based on the contents of another array?
15:04 chris_n magnuse: its an old english term
15:04 magnuse laziness, impatience and hubris...
15:03 jcamins chris_n: my reason for creating Koha::Images was entirely selfish: it made it easier to write the code I needed.
15:03 * magnuse googles nonage and learns something new today too
15:02 chris_n it was done in my nonage
15:02 jcamins And won't.
15:01 jcamins chris_n: understandable. You didn't see me rushing to fix it.
15:01 jcamins magnuse: look at the handle_dir routine in tools/picture-upload.pl, and consider whether handle is really easier than hanlde. :P
15:01 chris_n jcamins: the sad reality is that that code has worked for 4 years, and I will probably never revisit it unless sufficiently motivated to do so :-)
15:00 chris_n much easier to get a handle on them
15:00 chris_n yup, getting a hanlde on things is often tuff
15:00 magnuse woohoo - success!
15:00 magnuse hehe, i was just going to sugget you might have an easier time of it with s/hanlde/handle/ ;-)
15:00 jcamins chris_n: my new Koha::Images will offer a starting point, kind of.
14:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 21 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:57 jcamins s/hanlde/handle/
14:57 * chris_n will have to fix that someday
14:57 jcamins chris_n: hanlde_dir drove me to vodka, which put me right to sleep. :P
14:56 jcamins chris_n: I did, thank you.
14:56 * chris_n wonders if jcamins got sleep last night
14:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
14:56 jcamins magnuse: it's based off of kmkale's patch for bug 1633.
14:55 magnuse jcamins: ooh :-)
14:55 jcamins magnuse: indeed.
14:53 chris_n anybody have a quick sort routine for sorting one array based on the order of the contents of a second array?
14:11 libranto ):
14:11 libranto collega and university library need course rezerve module
14:10 libranto i have java background, if its possible i can develop userinterface by using solr but i dont know anything about perl ):
14:08 chris_n thanks!
14:07 paul_p chris_n, OK, will check in a few minuts
14:07 chris_n looks like a security issue
14:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7316 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, semarie-koha, ASSIGNED , Missing escaping in search results
14:06 chris_n any chance you could push bug 7316? I've had a request to include it in 3.6.2
14:06 paul_p chris_n, yep
14:05 chris_n paul_p about?
14:05 magnuse libranto: here's a very good blogpost outlining how suggestions for koha are treated: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=555
14:03 rhcl_away 안녕하세요 #Koha
14:03 libranto good (:
14:03 magnuse [off] yay!
14:02 magnuse if you can't do it yourself
14:02 libranto liblime made that module but i m not interested in Liblime
14:02 magnuse to be sure something is implemented you probably have to pay someone to do it
14:02 magnuse if noone catches on to it, it could happen... never
14:02 magnuse if someone likes the idea it could take hours
14:01 magnuse hehe, that's a good question
14:01 libranto i mean i dont know how long takes suggestions to inplement
14:01 magnuse this is a good starting point: http://koha-community.org/about/enhancing-koha/
14:00 magnuse hm, there's a blogpost or wiki page somewhere you should read, then - i'm trying to remember where... ;-)
14:00 libranto i m newbee (:
13:59 libranto ok
13:59 magnuse and course reserves is definitely something others have been interested in
13:59 paul_p libranto, we call that a bug because it's bugzilla. But it can be used for enhancement too
13:59 libranto ok
13:59 magnuse that's a description of something that's not working, or a description of an enhancement
13:59 libranto i need course rezerve list module
13:58 libranto bug? (:
13:58 magnuse if you don't find anything, enter a new bug
13:58 magnuse search first to see if others have suggested what you want to suggest
13:58 libranto and then?
13:57 libranto i will create ana account
13:57 libranto ok
13:57 magnuse libranto: we use bugzilla for that sort of thing: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/
13:56 libranto i need some features
13:56 libranto is there any todo list for koha development
13:56 libranto hi everyone
13:42 magnuse yay
13:40 Oak :)
13:40 magnuse jcamins_away: an image viewer for koha?
13:40 Oak magnuse
13:40 magnuse Oak
13:40 Oak hello miss cait
13:33 kf hi Oak :)
13:32 * Oak waves at cait
13:31 Oak kia ora #koha
13:23 kf to make clear it's about acq relevant data
13:23 kf but we could use something like <order> perhaps
13:23 kf I was thinking about a general term
13:20 francharb do you mean renaming the tag for the acqclaim notice only?
13:20 francharb ok, so for the moment, lets go for the renaming of the tag maybe
13:19 kf I am not sure how to solve that, have to think about it
13:19 kf and you are right
13:19 kf francharb: that's a good question
13:19 kf I don't thinke we have to change the feature - the only question is if we rename the tag or not
13:18 francharb kf, how do you see the acqclaim notice with biblio and item level info + aqorders info?
13:18 kf the late order management is a very nice addition and works nicely too
13:18 kf perhaps we can wait and get some more opinions :)
13:17 francharb so it makes more sense now
13:17 kf we don't have a library with Koha doing that, but i know about others. so this is all not for now
13:17 francharb ok kf
13:17 kf I know of libraries who make the vendors stick the barcode labels, inventory numbers and callnumbers to the books
13:16 kf and I have examples for item data and vendors
13:16 kf I am still sticking to my first suggestion :)
13:16 kf I saw it :)
13:14 francharb ;)
13:14 francharb i answered you back on bugzilla
13:14 francharb_afk yep
13:14 francharb_afk kf
13:07 kf francharb_afk: still around? :)
13:07 kf back
12:57 huginn` jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
12:57 jcamins_away @later tell oleonard Could you be persuaded to style an image viewer if I shipped you a package of cookies and/or fudge?
11:44 * gaetan_B going for lunch
11:22 gaetan_B i'm not coming with a solution unfortunately ;)
11:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6374 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there)
11:21 gaetan_B i've stumbled on the problem described in bug 6374, it seems to be a bit forgotten as no one as commented since may
11:19 magnuse see you later!
11:18 mib_odamqk Ok then I will close it and come back when I have more questions. Thanks!
11:15 magnuse that's up to you! ;-) if you are using mibbit i think you might get logged off if you are inactive for a while, but then it's just to log back on later
11:10 mib_odamqk For now that is it. Shall I leave the window open incase I have more questions?
11:09 magnuse no problem! don't be afraid to ask more, if there is more we can help you with ;-)
11:06 mib_odamqk This is really helpful information and helps me get a better idea of the possibilities of the software. Thank you!
11:03 mib_odamqk perfect.
11:00 magnuse mib_odamqk: and as long as you know the z39.50 "address" of the catalogues you want to search, it's easy to add them
11:00 francharb kf_afk, talk to you later!
11:00 francharb a
11:00 francharb see y
11:00 magnuse mib_odamqk: i have a demo here with norwegian z39.50 targets: http://demo.bibkat.no:8080/ (login: test1/test1)
11:00 francharb :)
10:59 francharb kf_afk, "reanming"? renaming?
10:59 kf_afk will be back later
10:59 mib_odamqk that makes sense with the demo version
10:59 mib_odamqk Ich bin english mutterspracher aber meine deutsche assistantin komment gleich zurück
10:58 kf francharb: the other thing is a nice to have :)
10:58 magnuse mib_odamqk: the demo you tried is probably just created by americans, with other americans in mind ;-)
10:58 kf francharb: I think reanming it to leave the door open for later would be enough for now
10:58 kf vielleicht etwas mehr als eine stunde, aber fast immer hier
10:57 mib_odamqk I am available until about 14:00 GMT+1
10:57 mib_odamqk Gut, wir konnen das machen
10:57 francharb kf, are you available this afternoon to talk about your last comment? i dont know how to do it... Joubu needs more specifications
10:57 kf bin in einer stunde wieder da
10:57 kf but I will be back in 1 hour
10:57 kf sorry, not here now
10:57 mib_odamqk in the demo version the z39.50 databases that were coming up were all english
10:56 mib_odamqk Yes copy cataloging
10:52 paul_p mib_odamqk, Berlin in Germany ? You should speak german with kf ;-)
10:51 magnuse here is some documentation on how to "Add a Z39.50 Target": http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/additionaladmin.html#z3950admin
10:50 magnuse kf is our german koha expert, but she might not be available at the moment
10:50 magnuse re 2: yes, you can have as many people cataloguing as you wish
10:49 magnuse (and SRU too soon, hopefully)
10:49 magnuse if so: yes, you can set it up to search any openly available Z39.50 database
10:49 magnuse mib_odamqk: re number 1: are you thinking of "copy cataloguing", where you search and fetch records from for example library of congress?
10:46 mib_odamqk 2. Can more than one library administrator catalogue books at the same time?
10:45 mib_odamqk I work in a school library in Berlin, Germany. I have been 'assigned' to look into your software but have little technical experience. I have some general questions about this software. 1. In the demo version I am only able to search English-Language book databases. Is it also possible to search German language book databases?
10:39 kf francharb: commented :)
10:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
10:31 jenkins_koha paul.poulain: Bug 6679: fix missing use strict
10:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #561: FIXED in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/561/
10:31 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
10:28 francharb kf, i did a new comment.. ;)
10:21 kf sorry will be back shortly
10:21 francharb anyway, kf, do you think it's appriopriate to change this behavior within this development?
10:20 francharb it's the item tag
10:20 francharb well it should actually
10:20 francharb i thougt it was working the same way
10:19 francharb could you had that on the ticket?
10:18 francharb i get it now
10:18 kf and for the ODUE that would work
10:18 francharb sure
10:18 kf so people will get confused why you can't for example display a callnumber in there
10:18 francharb haaaaa
10:18 kf and you get a list of books - but not of item information
10:18 kf it can only display title level information at the moment
10:18 kf that's the difference
10:18 kf francharb: the <item> in claims CAN NOT displayi tem information :)
10:16 francharb or that the item tag is already used to display biblio and item info?
10:16 francharb ?
10:16 francharb kf, that it should be done with another development,
10:14 kf I still disagree ;)
10:11 francharb :)
10:11 francharb rangi, wizzyrea, kf : sorry for my "way to long" answer on the bugzilla 5347. i just realised how to do a two lines answer right now...
09:53 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7342] aqbudgets statistics doesn't work when using Authorized values on sort1_authcat or sort2_authcat <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7342>
09:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 561 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 21 j ago)
09:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7028 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , koha-conf.xml template that comes with the packages needs updating
09:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6818 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , acquisitions basket groups could use some design work
09:38 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: updatedatabase: Adding missing \n at the end of 2 print
09:38 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 7028 - updated the koha-conf.xml template
09:38 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6818 - acquisitions basket groups could use some design work
09:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #560: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/560/
09:07 wahanui hola, francharb
09:07 francharb hi
08:57 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6679' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3dc99300014ecb032bb4433fbd782f649ebe999d> / Bug 6679: fix missing use strict <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe50ffb37f912e32b2f0291a11dd6139120f2ba0>
08:50 magnuse possibly
08:48 kf thought we had reached stable yesterday - but that was perhaps 3.6
08:48 kf hm but lots of work ws done on it
08:46 magnuse looks like it hasn't been stable in 1 month and 3 weeks?
08:45 kf oh unstable again?
08:45 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: updatedatabase: Adding missing \n at the end of 2 print <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e4e0d4300a6d15aa3b0d8625981f626344b79f0> / Bug 7028 - updated the koha-conf.xml template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=038a2cf5d6cf8431af67fa3c4b28aaf3d513f6eb> / Fix for Bug 6818 - acquisitions basket groups could use some design work <http://git.koha-community.org/gi
08:44 jenkins_koha Starting build 560 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 21 j ago)
08:36 kf :)
08:36 gaetan_B guten morgen kf !
08:35 kf bonjour gaetan_B
08:35 gaetan_B hello
08:35 magnuse ki ora, flying fox!
08:34 kf hi hdl
08:34 hdl hi all
08:27 kf :(
08:27 magnuse indeed
08:26 kf hmpf
08:26 magnuse wednesad-friday
08:26 kf and the annual library meeting is all week too I guess?
08:26 magnuse oh yes!
08:25 kf ah bummer
08:25 magnuse it's the week of the annual library meeting in norway, and my libhist project is paying me to go there to talk about the project...
08:25 kf ooh!
08:25 huginn` magnuse: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
08:25 magnuse magnuse-- for having previous commitments = i will miss it :-(
08:25 kf now we only have to figure out a way to get there ... :)
08:24 kf yep
08:24 magnuse biblibre++ for the euro-hackfest
08:21 kf hi asaurat :)
08:19 asaurat hallo kf!
08:16 kf hi again #koha
08:14 asaurat hallo
08:06 AmitG heya paul_p
08:01 paul_p good morning everybody !
07:57 reiveune hello
07:41 cait you too
07:41 cait thx :)
07:41 fredericd me too... have a nice ride
07:41 cait or will be late at work
07:40 cait will try to do tonight - have to run
07:39 fredericd take a look at my patch, and see how it works with a biblio having several subscriptions
07:38 cait but I don't see why it doesn't wrk like that
07:38 cait show the link, if there is more than 1 subscription and I have not explicitly told the view to only show
07:36 cait and the other is for checking how you called the template - if you have restricted it to show only specific subscriptions
07:35 cait I think onesubscription is supposed to check if it's 1 or more
07:35 cait it's in a lot of places
07:33 fredericd for me onesubcription must be removed. It adds confusion
07:33 alex_a bonjour #koha
07:32 cait but it's not working
07:32 cait if the parameter is there and it's more than one subscription... show the link?
07:32 cait [% END %]
07:32 cait </tr>[% END %]
07:32 cait <tr ><td colspan="7"> <a href="serials-collection.pl?biblionumber=[% biblionumber %]">See any subscription attached to this biblio</a></td>
07:32 cait [% UNLESS ( onesubscription ) %]
07:32 cait [% IF ( subscr ) %]
07:32 cait weird
07:32 cait hm
07:31 fredericd it's ok.
07:29 cait it's one of the template variables
07:29 cait subscr=>$query->param('subscriptionid'), ?
07:29 cait does this line correctly check for the existence of the parameter in the url?
07:29 fredericd yes, too bad. It seems it was possible to call this page with a biblionumber as parameter rather than subscriptionid
07:28 cait i wonder where this got lost
07:27 cait yes
07:25 fredericd or it should alway be displayed. This way you can get the other subscriptions that you can't reach otherwise
07:21 cait when there is more than one subscription
07:21 cait I think the "show any subscriptions" link should show up on the page
07:20 cait hm yes
07:15 fredericd It may be added on serials search result page
07:15 fredericd So I do think it would be useful
07:14 cait it's quite a mystery
07:14 cait and it would be useful I think
07:14 cait exactly
07:13 cait there was a lot of afford made to make it flexible like that
07:13 fredericd but I can't see any place where this page is called this way
07:13 cait yes, that works too
07:13 cait hm not yet
07:12 fredericd cait: have you seen you can send a request like 'serials-collection.pl?subscriptionid=9&subscriptionid=45' and get a result
07:10 fredericd can you get a title with two subscriptions on the Serial Collection page?
07:09 cait I added comments to the bug
07:08 cait fredericd: then call the serials-collection page with the bilbionumber, instead of the subscription id
07:08 cait fredericd: create 2 subscriptions with for one record
07:01 fredericd yes
06:59 indradg that be the correct address?
06:59 indradg fredericd, i sent it to f.demians@tamil.fr
06:58 fredericd where is this view in the template?
06:58 cait fredericd: it seems weird that we are never using that view of the page
06:58 fredericd could you resend it?
06:58 fredericd indradg: no
06:57 cait fredericd: my main problem is, I am trying to see how this was supposed to work
06:57 indradg fredericd, did you get my email regarding the person wanting to do tibetan translation/
06:56 fredericd cait: rather than sending a variable to TT, you could check the array length directly in TT
06:49 wahanui i guess fredericd is translation manager for 3.8
06:49 AmitG heya fredericd
06:42 cait the template variable was wrong: year.onescubscription instead of onesubscription
06:41 cait it should not show on a page with only 1 subscription - that's the scoping problem
06:41 cait I have updated the bug with a screenshot
06:41 cait fredericd: because of the view for a record with more than 1 subscription
06:40 fredericd why at all is the subscription number displayed on each line of the issues table?
06:37 cait I think I got it... but needs more testing
06:35 cait ok, that probably does not make much sense?
06:33 cait it will show all subscriptions and the issues on the page - and then it makes sense to show the subscription number before the issue
06:32 cait and the url parameter is the biblionumber
06:32 cait if you have more than one subscription to the record
06:32 cait and I discovered there is a view to that page we don't ever use
06:32 fredericd good morning
06:32 cait it turned out to be a scoping problem
06:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7338 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , link to serial detail wrong
06:32 cait bug 7338
06:32 cait I was looking at a bug nicole filed and it's quite interesting
06:32 cait morning fredericd :)
06:31 fredericd cait: strange statement
06:14 cait onesubscription => (scalar(@$subscriptiondescs)==1),
06:14 cait I am trying to figure something out in the serials module
06:14 cait can someone help me with some perl? :)
06:14 indradg hiya cait
06:14 cait hi indradg :)
06:13 cait lol
06:11 wahanui indradg: I forgot me
06:11 indradg wahanui, forget me
06:11 wahanui indradg is the one who told me.
06:11 AmitG heya indradg
06:11 indradg hey AmitG
06:10 AmitG heya adminacct :D
06:10 adminacct aargh!!!! someone called me a "Dear Madam" on the m/l :(
05:42 cait hi AmitG
05:39 AmitG heya cait
05:25 bag ah AmitG I'm doing well :)
05:25 cait hi bag :)
05:25 bag heya cait
05:14 cait morning #koha
04:34 AmitG i m fine what about you?
04:34 bag how are you today?
04:34 bag heya AmitG
04:34 AmitG heya bag
04:21 jcamins Hey, could I do push $template->{VARS}, %hash?
04:14 jcamins Got it. GetBiblio.
04:13 wizzyrea oh, dunno I'd have to poke at it.
04:13 jcamins wizzyrea: preferably without accessing the DB directly.
04:13 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, but in Perl?
04:12 wizzyrea biblio.title?
04:12 jcamins Isn't there a way to retrieve the title and author without parsing the entire record?
03:14 huginn` jcamins: Quote #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} - without the typo" (added by cait at 07:30 PM, May 20, 2011)
03:14 jcamins @quote get 135
03:14 huginn` jcamins: 1 found: #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} -..."
03:14 jcamins @quote search vars
03:14 huginn` jcamins: No matching quotes were found.
03:14 jcamins @quote search template
02:46 jcamins template variables?
02:41 bag heh
02:31 * jcamins is the jQuery MASTER!
01:12 jcamins Never mind.
01:03 jcamins Why does it seem like it does?
01:03 jcamins No, it doesn't.
01:03 jcamins I bet int() rounds.
01:03 jcamins Oh.
01:02 jcamins Why does it only work half the time?
00:57 jcamins Or not.
00:57 jcamins Cache-Control, I think.
00:56 jcamins How do I prevent my web browser from caching?
00:54 rangi no worries
00:54 melia thanks
00:54 rangi :)
00:54 melia hehe. ok I'll start over. :)
00:54 rangi it will probably yell at you
00:53 melia what if I forgot the git am --abort in between? do I need to start over?
00:53 rangi whatever works best for you
00:53 rangi or, you can wget it
00:52 rangi and git am -iu3 /where/the/patch/is (cut and paste)
00:52 rangi git am --abort
00:52 rangi then you can do
00:52 rangi and tell you
00:52 rangi if it fails it will leave the patch in /tmp
00:52 rangi melia: you can do git bz apply
00:52 jcamins This doesn't print headers.
00:52 jcamins That makes sense.
00:51 jcamins Oh, I see.
00:51 rangi right near the top of your script
00:51 rangi print $cgi->header;
00:51 rangi jcamins: my $cgi = CGI->new();
00:51 rangi the other trick you can do is
00:51 melia rangi: I was going to ask you about git am -iu3 to make sure I'm doing it right. so first I do wget (copy patch from bug). then git am -iu3 attachment blah blah. right?
00:51 rangi what it means is, the script died, before it printed out the headers
00:50 rangi read the error log?
00:50 jcamins I keep on getting a "premature end of script headers" error. Anyone have any advice on troubleshooting?
00:50 rangi melia: here now
00:41 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!!
00:41 bag mtj?
00:40 melia haha! mine says beer?!
00:40 talljoy lol
00:40 wahanui I LIKE BEER AND I LOVE ANSWERING RFP
00:40 talljoy melia?
00:40 melia hehe. I actually meant is rangi here?
00:39 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
00:39 melia rangi?
00:39 jcamins The thumbnail is not yet working.
00:38 jcamins Hm.
00:13 * jcamins has been using packages recently, and forgot that koha-dev had its own logs.
00:12 jcamins Found it.
00:12 jcamins Never mind.
00:12 chris_n warns go to your apache log
00:12 jcamins Where do warns go?
00:05 jcamins How does @EXPORT work?
00:02 jcamins The page actually loaded!
00:02 jcamins !