Time Nick Message
23:57 jcamins Variables just sort of appear out of nowhere in this script.
23:56 jcamins Hm.
23:52 jcamins Oh, this this use vars thing.
23:50 jcamins $debug, I mean.
23:50 jcamins But, uhh, where is it declared?
23:49 jcamins Thanks.
23:49 jcamins Ah. Cool.
23:48 chris_n see C4::Debug
23:47 jcamins chris_n: no, I'm writing a new package, and not sure how to handle it from that side.
23:46 chris_n or set it in your apache config iirc
23:46 chris_n otherwise I think you can add it as a cgi param
23:46 chris_n from the cli
23:46 chris_n maybe 'export DEBUG=1'
23:44 jcamins How do we deal with debug flags in packages?
23:41 jcamins Bang! Thirty errors!
23:39 * jcamins runs it from the command line.
23:39 * chris_n has no idea
23:37 jcamins How do I apply atomicupdates?
23:32 chris_n :)
23:32 jcamins Bet you never would've guessed that.
23:30 * jcamins is not that person.
23:29 jcamins chris_n: adding a "preferred" flag is left as an exercise to the person who gives a darn.
23:28 jcamins chris_n: right.
23:27 chris_n a random cover image?
23:27 jcamins chris_n: selecting a cover image, of course.
23:27 * chris_n is curious as to the purpose
23:27 eythian actually, builtins are likely to work sensibly as they have defined prototypes that say "I take a single scalar"
23:26 jcamins Awesome, thanks!
23:26 eythian 2.08902575167577
23:26 eythian $ perl -e '@a=qw(a b c) ; print rand(@a)."\n" ;'
23:26 eythian turns out yes
23:25 * eythian tests
23:25 eythian probably not (although maybe)
23:24 jcamins Would in a call to rand() be a place where it makes sense to have a single value?
23:24 jcamins Hm.
23:24 eythian so, @list somewhere were it makes sense to have a single value is the length of the list
23:23 eythian is its length
23:23 eythian jcamins: the list in a scalar context
23:23 jcamins I always have trouble with this.
23:23 jcamins How do I find out the number of items in a list?
23:21 jcamins kmkale won't need it.
23:20 jcamins I don't need it.
23:20 jcamins Actually, that can be a future development.
23:20 jcamins Hm. I guess there has to be an option to specify an image as "preferred."
23:18 * chris_n cranks up putty
23:18 jcamins Cool.
23:18 jcamins Ah. And in that case, you specify one argument and it is automatically understood as the card number?
23:17 chris_n hmm
23:17 chris_n you may also call it form the command line
23:17 jcamins That's the first part. But what's with the else?
23:17 chris_n the cardnumber is passed in with the call to patronimage.pl
23:17 jcamins I mean, there's no function. It's just a file.
23:15 wahanui hmmm... function is in CalcFine
23:15 jcamins What function?
23:15 jcamins Line 50 in members/patronimage.pl.
23:15 chris_n what he said
23:15 chris_n right
23:15 rangi grab it from the arguments passed to the function
23:15 jcamins Oh, it is there.
23:15 rangi if not
23:15 rangi take it from the hashref, if its in there
23:15 jcamins I'm not sure it's in your code.
23:15 chris_n what line?
23:14 jcamins if ($data->param('bibnum')) { $biblionumber=$data->param('bibnum'); } else { $biblionumber = shift; }
23:14 jcamins What's this do:
23:12 chris_n I think that C4::Members might have a few applicable subs as well
23:11 jcamins Or you had a vendetta.
23:11 jcamins I think so.
23:10 chris_n accidental obfuscation?
23:10 jcamins Yes, but you make that sound so much simpler than it actually is.
23:10 chris_n and handle_file processes the files contained therein
23:10 jcamins The actual doing-stuff-with-images has been moved into Koha::Images.
23:10 chris_n handle_dir walks through the results of the unzip iirc
23:09 chris_n ahh
23:09 jcamins Other than, you know, Stuff.
23:09 chris_n I'm not sure where I got it or where it came from or <other-excuses-go-here>
23:09 jcamins I'm actually leaving _handle_file and _handle_dir in the pl because I haven't the foggiest idea what they're doing.
23:09 jcamins And, you know, the fact that no one can understand that part of the code.
23:08 chris_n it needs help
23:08 chris_n yeah, the problem there is with the zip file syntax
23:08 * jcamins decides that RmImage sounds dumb.
23:07 jcamins The part where it is abstracted to handle patronimages too is going to get saved for you, though. :P
23:07 jcamins Oh, it's in a PM.
23:07 chris_n if there is much cut-n-paste, it probably should be
23:06 chris_n feel free to consolodate the code into a pm
23:06 jcamins No. Excellent.
23:06 jcamins Do we have C4::Image?
23:06 jcamins Hm. I guess "CoverImages" isn't such a good name for this module.
23:05 * chris_n likes it when the answer makes people happy :)
23:05 jcamins :D
23:05 jcamins Woohoo! That's what I want to hear!
23:05 chris_n if we want that, we probably need a different table for each file type
23:05 chris_n yeah
23:04 jcamins Excellent!
23:04 jcamins But what I'm hearing is that you don't feel like the table needs to support non-image files?
23:04 chris_n which would require only a bit of work I think
23:04 chris_n or you could rename it to something more generic like 'images' or some such
23:03 chris_n you could do nothing to the name and just push other images there
23:03 * wizzyrea skedaddles
23:03 wizzyrea oh boy lookit the time
23:03 chris_n well
23:03 jcamins How important is it that I find a way to do that?
23:03 jcamins Okay, let me rephrase that.
23:02 jcamins Should I change the table name to "bibliofiles" so that someone could conceivably put something other than images in it at some point in the future?
23:01 chris_n we're working on a new wooden-wick version tonight
23:00 wizzyrea hehe
23:00 chris_n happy even
23:00 * chris_n keeps his hives fat and happey :)
23:00 chris_n not a problem with my hives
23:00 wizzyrea i imagine you have an opinion about colony collapse then
23:00 wizzyrea nice!
23:00 chris_n yeah, it comes with beekeeping around here :)
22:59 wizzyrea my brother in law makes candles too
22:59 wizzyrea ! neat!
22:59 chris_n my daughter makes them
22:59 chris_n btw, if you like hand made beeswax candles check this out: http://myworld.ebay.com/ku4dd
22:58 wizzyrea doh
22:56 smita same with running a report to count the number of items catalogues
22:55 smita hi . I am trying to run simple reports through the reports module. when i ask it to count the number of checkouts it gives 0, though we have checked out quite a few items
22:54 * chris_n goes off to pour a candle
22:54 * jcamins will get it working, then send it to you to generalize. :P
22:54 chris_n seriously, if I can help, just let me know
22:53 * chris_n shouts "Don't do it! Don't look!"
22:53 jcamins I will worry about prettying it after it works.
22:53 * jcamins forces himself to stop looking at this.
22:52 chris_n right
22:52 jcamins system("unzip", $tempfile).
22:52 jcamins I just figured out why it has to be a file.
22:52 * jcamins gasps.
22:51 chris_n my brain hurts trying to re-figure it out
22:51 jcamins The script is still over 200 lines, and I took all the database functionality *out*.
22:50 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
22:50 jcamins Very true.
22:49 chris_n its amazing what 4 years of staring at perl will do for one's self
22:49 chris_n they are right nasty, I agree
22:48 jcamins chris_n: you look at it and avoid falling into a reverie!
22:48 * chris_n snaps his fingers at jcamins to get him to snap out of it
22:46 jcamins 'Cause, seriously. Gosh.
22:45 jcamins What does one say about them, other than "gosh."
22:45 * jcamins once again stares in mute horror at the handle_dir and handle_file routines.
22:45 wizzyrea 3. it's the db user... it bears reiterating ;)
22:44 wizzyrea 2. it's the db user - keeping that pw around is invitation for someone to do Bad Stuff (tm)
22:44 wizzyrea 1. kohaadmin doesn't have an assigned branch
22:43 Rural Fair enough.
22:43 jcamins Rural: don't use kohaadmin.
22:43 wizzyrea and stop using your kohaadmin
22:43 wizzyrea give that patron superlibrarian
22:43 wizzyrea rural: you should probably create yourself a new patron
22:43 Rural Is there an easy way of changing the kohaadmin password?
22:39 jcamins Okay.
22:39 rangi yup
22:38 jcamins rangi: and then use the dbh directly?
22:38 rangi Koha::Context probably, which at this stage, would just be an ISA for C4::Context
22:37 jcamins rangi: if I'm doing DB access in the Koha namespace, do I need to encapsulate it in something like Koha::DB?
22:23 eythian http://youtu.be/o6KlpIWhbcw <-- triangles
22:15 cait night all :)
22:05 cait :)
22:05 cait thx
22:05 wizzyrea there.
22:02 rangi yeah :)
22:02 * wizzyrea saw "order" and went "I don't think I know enough to have an opinion"
22:01 cait heh
22:01 rangi heheh
22:01 wizzyrea oh, yes, I have an opinion.
22:00 wizzyrea was "alright already, I'll look and see if I can muster up an opinion"
22:00 cait ;)
22:00 wizzyrea what I was going to say, before I had to go off and forage for batteries
22:00 cait we understand
22:00 cait you don't have to come up with excuses like that...
22:00 cait lol
21:59 wizzyrea wow what an inconvenient time for the battery in my keyboard to die
21:58 rangi not acquisitions at all
21:58 * cait hands you the cookie
21:58 rangi its notices
21:58 cait ... ok not trying to influence you
21:58 cait heh
21:58 cait consistency!
21:57 cait and patterns
21:57 cait about notices
21:57 cait not really
21:57 cait that's not about acq
21:57 wizzyrea i am not the one to ask about acquisitions
21:57 wizzyrea oh my
21:57 * cait waves with a cookie
21:57 * cait looks at wizzyrea...
21:57 cait the more opinions the better
21:57 cait yep
21:57 cait thank you rangi :)
21:57 rangi but another one would be welcome too
21:57 rangi done cait
21:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , late order management
21:55 cait can I get some comments/opinions for bug 5347?
21:45 * druthb goes :P at wizzyrea.
21:44 huginn` druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
21:44 druthb @quote get 102
21:44 wizzyrea ooh, it's a mythical druthb sighting
21:44 cait hi druthb :)
21:44 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
21:44 cait cookies!
21:44 rangi heya druthb :)
21:43 * druthb has cookies!
21:42 cait want cookies?
21:42 wizzyrea i'm sad now.
21:42 wizzyrea "flaw inherent in the system"
21:42 wizzyrea "unfixable"
21:42 wizzyrea more like "can't fix"
21:41 maximep "won't fix"
21:41 wizzyrea i'd start a fund tho :P
21:41 rangi heh
21:41 * wizzyrea passes on fixing that bug
21:41 rangi "pay rangi 10 million dollars"
21:41 rangi i hope i said
21:41 rangi lol, awesome
21:41 maximep he opened a bug with a copy paste from what rangi said here haha
21:41 rangi :)
21:40 maximep but cool
21:40 wizzyrea hehe
21:40 maximep that was weird
21:40 maximep until he said he was
21:40 maximep man, I didn't get that it was our client that was talking in irc
21:27 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5327] Unit tests required for all C4 modules <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327>
21:21 wizzyrea but it looks like you only get it if you're using the packages?
21:20 wizzyrea I looked for libravatar, not gravatar.
21:20 rangi :)
21:19 wizzyrea I see it now >.< sorry
21:19 wizzyrea oh oh nm
21:19 wizzyrea libravatar::url, precisely
21:19 wizzyrea ok i'm lookin, and I don't see anywhere in the package where we require the installation of the libravatar stuff
21:17 wizzyrea bye owen
21:17 oleonard See you later everyone
21:17 smita bula from fiji
21:16 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot hi smita
21:16 wizzyrea forget hi smita
21:15 wahanui i think hi smita is a newbe to Koha. have just installed 3.4. have totally confused Smita's self with setting up cir rules as a result cannot place hold, can anyone help me please
21:15 wizzyrea hi smita
21:15 jenkins_koha chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 08 Dec 2011 19:48:55 Z
21:15 smita hi i have Daven from Singatoka Library, Fiji, who will be soon setting up a new Koha install
21:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #20: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/20/
21:15 wizzyrea you can thank rangi, I was looking for the libravatar stuff. heh.
21:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7341 trivial, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Clicking cancel on system preferences search results causes error
21:14 oleonard Oh, wizzyrea, Bug 7341 is a good catch
21:14 Rural I'm setting up libraries now. Is the IP range so it can automatically select the appropriate library based on the source address of the traffic?
21:09 rangi http://soundcloud.com/virginmagneticmaterial/joy-division-love-will-tear-us
21:08 rangi also
21:07 wizzyrea ok cool.
21:07 rangi yeah those are all fixed in master now wizzyrea
21:07 Rural That got 'em! Ok. Things are making a lot more sense now.
21:06 wizzyrea looks like 3.4 has some kind of translation thing going on
21:05 cait yay!
21:05 wizzyrea yay!
21:05 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/monitor/?
21:05 rangi yay!
21:05 cait :)
21:03 Rural Gotcha. And woo-hoo!
21:01 rangi testlibrary-intra if -intra is what you put in the suffix
21:01 rangi yes
21:01 Rural rangi: Like the -intra site?
21:01 rangi your staff site would be something-testlibrary or testlibrary-something
21:00 rangi depending on what you put in your koha-sites.conf
21:00 maximep hmmm it loads the default libravatar img for me instead of fallback to gravatar
20:59 rangi Rural: look in your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
20:55 wizzyrea now it's working.
20:51 * wizzyrea didn't have it either.
20:51 wizzyrea is that not among the required ones?
20:50 wizzyrea but it's prolly not
20:50 wizzyrea doods I think it's bustid ;)
20:50 wizzyrea was just about ot ask about that ;)
20:50 wizzyrea oic, i wonder if that's my issue too
20:50 cait hi maximep :)
20:50 maximep btw, missed Libravatar::URL on the server =)
20:49 maximep I sure know me =)
20:45 cait yep :)
20:45 wizzyrea we know them :)
20:45 wizzyrea aha!
20:45 Rural I hear you. I'm looking for it.
20:45 wizzyrea hi :)
20:45 anthonyl Oups forgot to mention that our provider of services is Libéo ( Maxime Pelletier and Frédérick Capovilla )
20:45 cait hi anthonyl
20:45 oleonard Welcome anthonyl
20:44 wizzyrea in your browser.
20:44 wizzyrea you need to run the web installer
20:44 wizzyrea rural
20:43 anthonyl BTW, I present myself :Anthony Laquerre and I am the project manager at www.ccsr.qc.ca. We did a big migration project last winter including 22 college library/70000 users and appprox. 1.2 million items. You'll start earing more of us in the comming months. We just started a "Koha-CCSR community" with everyone. Keep looking working with all of you.
20:42 Rural That didn't work. (koha-create --populate-db testlibrary)
20:40 Rural Ah. I see. Have to populate the DB.
20:40 anthonyl Thanks for your help on the avatar, I'll need to ask on our provider. I think everything is setup properly but can't find what's wrong.
20:39 Rural All I did was 'koha-create --create-db testlibrary', 'koha-enable testlibrary', and set DNS so that testlibrary.blah pointed to the koha server. A database exists in MySQL, but it is empty.
20:36 wizzyrea but it's whatever url you set up for the intranet.
20:36 wizzyrea unfortunately I can't tell you what the url is because you set that up :P
20:36 Rural wizzyrea: Web installer... <searching sounds>
20:36 wizzyrea you'll need to go to the staff client url you set up for yourself.
20:35 wizzyrea if you haven't already
20:35 wizzyrea oh, and you'll probably want to run the web installer
20:35 wizzyrea rural - you'll have to be more specific about your errors
20:34 chris_n yay!
20:34 jenkins_koha wizzyrea: yummy! I really like that russian tea cakes
20:34 wizzyrea !jenkins botsnack russian tea cakes
20:33 jenkins_koha Starting build 20 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: FIXED)
20:33 wizzyrea yippee!!!
20:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " "
20:33 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7141 : Changing test to match new formatting of xsl style sheet
20:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
20:33 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Adding license statement and stopping declaring variables in a conditional
20:33 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : cataloguing/ now passing critic tests
20:33 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679: catalogue/ now passing perl critic tests
20:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #19: FIXED in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/19/
20:33 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
20:33 Rural So now that everything is running, and I've got the I've got the System Maintenance page... And I'm getting emails with errors about missing tables in the DB.
20:30 rangi so approx -200 for the year
20:30 rangi symphony + 125
20:30 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover.pl?Year=2011
20:30 wizzyrea #3. Heh.
20:29 rangi horizon -154
20:29 rangi unicorn -189
20:29 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/ils-turnover-reverse.pl?Year=2011
20:28 rhcl_away Wonder if Marshal has enough data to approximate one?
20:28 rangi looking at
20:28 rangi would be my guess
20:28 rangi yeah, trending downwards hard
20:28 rhcl_away I'd love to see a Sirsi market share graphic for the past 15 years
20:26 rhcl_away TNX
20:25 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/automationhistory.pl
20:25 rhcl_away whereis ILS Merger Graphic?
20:25 rangi http://wiki.libravatar.org/description/
20:25 rangi oleonard: For example, if you own a business, you may want to integrate with existing systems (e.g. a staff directory) and delegate authentication to what you're already using (LDAP?). Plus, you can choose what happens when email addresses are not found (display your company logo?).
20:24 Rural Ok. So I've successfully installed Koha and set up an instance (testlibrary). Nice.
20:23 Rural Been there. Not fun.
20:23 rangi pump and dump
20:23 oleonard Bad things can happen when your vendor gets bought out, but if you're on free software you can just move!
20:23 rangi its time to get the hell out :)
20:22 rangi when your company is run by an 'equity' firm
20:22 rangi thats why horizon got killed
20:21 Rural Wow! That graphic on the mergers of different library system providers is interesting. Whenever one of our proprietary software providers is bought out, I lose sleep.
20:21 rangi its how the federating works
20:21 rangi so if you had a myacpl libravatar server, it would try that
20:20 rangi oleonard: id have to check with francois, its something to do with looking for a libravatar service at the domain
20:19 Rural rangi: Checking out webcats now.
20:18 oleonard So how did the default catalyst logo get set?
20:17 wizzyrea that's wicked cool.
20:17 * wizzyrea either
20:17 * oleonard didn't realize that about fallback logos
20:17 rangi and im not just saying that cos francois sits downstairs :)
20:17 rangi its frankly, cool as hell
20:17 rangi is that it is distributed
20:17 rangi the awesome thing with libravatar apart from it being libre
20:17 rangi so anyone @catalyst.net.nz would get the catalyst logo if they didnt set their own avatar
20:16 rangi its all based off email
20:16 anthonyl Got it, let me try :-)
20:16 rangi thats right oleonard
20:16 wizzyrea I was wondering that too, anthonyl
20:15 oleonard Through their email address isn't it rangi?
20:15 anthonyl oleonard : I did create the avatar on the website but how does Koha know that user ABC123 is linked to avatar on libravatar ?
20:14 rangi http://www.flickr.com/photos/ranginui/6286655293/in/photostream <-- looks like that
20:13 rangi and failing that, a default image
20:13 rangi oleonard: anthonyl: it will fall back to gravatar too
20:13 rangi you should be able to find a library who has made the switch near you, they would probably be better to ask?
20:13 oleonard anthonyl: The user has to have set up a libravatar https://www.libravatar.org/
20:12 rangi Rural: http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/
20:12 wizzyrea I probably could do that
20:12 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #171 added.
20:12 wizzyrea @quote add rangi: I find proprietary software unethical. So even if it made me coffee and polished my shoes everyday, it would still suck
20:12 oleonard wizzyrea: Can you set your irc client to auto-register you? That's what I do.
20:12 anthonyl Hi guys, can you please help me with syspref : "ShowReviewerPhoto". How does it work exaclty ? I dont understand how the avatar is linked to the user.
20:12 rangi Rural: have you seen libwebcats?
20:12 * wizzyrea scowls at huginn
20:11 huginn` wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
20:11 wizzyrea @quote add rangi: I find proprietary software unethical. So even if it made me coffee and polished my shoes everyday, it would still suck
20:11 rangi :)
20:11 wahanui hmmm... horizon is proprietary software.
20:11 rangi horizon?
20:11 wizzyrea horizon is proprietary software.
20:11 rangi its symphony or nothing anymore isnt it?
20:10 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot horizon
20:10 wizzyrea forget horizon
20:10 wahanui okay, rangi.
20:10 rangi horizon is also EOL right?
20:09 Rural I've been primarily using FOSS since 1993, so that isn't lost on me.
20:09 rangi but thats pretty much bottomline for me
20:09 rangi others might want to comment on feature comparisons etc
20:09 rangi :-)
20:09 rangi it would still suck
20:09 rangi so even if it made me coffee and polished my shoes everyday
20:09 rangi i find proprietary software unethical
20:08 rangi horizon is proprietary software
20:08 rangi the only thing i will say is
20:08 Rural So don't worry about my feelings or anything like that.
20:07 Rural And I'm not pro-Horizon.
20:07 rangi afaik none ever moved the other way
20:07 rangi Rural: about 400 libraries have moved from horizon to koha
20:06 Rural Anybody around here have any experience with Horizon? Care to compare it with Koha? (I just asked this on the Evergreen IRC channel and got some interesting responses.)
20:06 rangi sweet :)
20:06 Rural rangi: That I did right.
20:05 rangi yeah definitely use the koha-common package (not koha one)
20:05 wizzyrea hehe np, pop back anytime if you have questions
20:05 Rural Thanks. I'll continue with the instructions...and carefully read them.
20:03 wizzyrea :)
20:03 wizzyrea After install, edit /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf with details about your site. You may need to create this file. Some example content would be: <example>
20:03 Rural Well look at that!
20:02 wizzyrea I think it does say that you may have to create that file.
20:02 Rural Hi. I'm installing Koha on a Debian Squeeze system. Everything is going swimmingly as I follow the instructions at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze. That is until I have to edit koha-sites.conf. That file doesn't exist.
20:01 Rural Backatcha.
20:01 oleonard Hi Rural
19:59 cait lol
19:58 wizzyrea lol
19:58 rangi yeah thats more practical
19:58 rangi oh
19:58 wizzyrea ask them to keep you safe. Works on spud every time
19:58 rangi glue?
19:58 wizzyrea I have a hack for getting kiddos to hold your hand in unsafe areas
19:58 oleonard Maybe you just have to get the command right
19:58 wizzyrea hehe
19:57 * oleonard will have to try "!toddler kidsnack broccoli"
19:57 cait yeah
19:57 wizzyrea he's not hungry.
19:57 chris_n moody bots
19:57 huginn` wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
19:57 wizzyrea huginn` botsnack popcorn
19:57 cait huginn botsnack popcorn
19:56 wahanui :)
19:56 cait wahanui botsnack popcorn
19:56 huginn` rangi: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
19:56 rangi huginn`: eat some damn popcorn you fool
19:56 rangi !botsnack popcorn
19:56 jenkins_koha cait: you're so kind to me! how did you know that popcorn is my favorite food?
19:56 cait !jenkins botsnack popcorn
19:56 wizzyrea gah I can never remember how that works.
19:56 chris_n !huginn` botsnack popcorn
19:56 wizzyrea botsnack popcorn
19:56 chris_n opps
19:56 chris_n !huginn botsnack popcorn
19:54 cait yum popcorn
19:52 wizzyrea oo, popcorn.
19:52 * wizzyrea gets the popcorn whilst waiting for jenkins
19:52 chris_n careful... you may cause a stampede
19:51 * cait puts a bowl of cookies into #koha
19:51 cait heh
19:50 chris_n go! go! go!
19:50 jenkins_koha Starting build 19 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
19:50 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_3.6.x build scheduled now
19:50 rangi !jenkins build koha_3.6.x now
19:49 wizzyrea doo eeet
19:49 wizzyrea make him do it now?
19:49 * chris_n pokes jenkins_koha
19:49 rangi i think we should get a clean build for jenkins now!
19:49 wizzyrea sweeet
19:49 chris_n anything else I've missed while I'm in a pushy mood :-)
19:49 rangi sweet
19:49 chris_n done
19:48 huginn` 04Bug 7141: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " "
19:48 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141
19:48 rangi that fixes the failing test that happened after that commit ;)
19:48 * chris_n feels like a one-armed paper-hanger
19:48 cait will be here until 23rd
19:48 rangi chris_n: there is a follow up
19:47 cait hm works for me
19:47 rangi hmmm
19:47 chris_n 7141 is in: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git&a=search&h=refs%2Fheads%2F3.6.x&st=commit&s=7141
19:47 rangi (friday before xmas)
19:47 rangi how about 22nd december us time? thats 23rd nz
19:46 rangi lemme check the calendar
19:46 rangi hehe
19:45 wizzyrea yes, I will email the devel list. sheesh.
19:45 wizzyrea much more useful with 2
19:45 wizzyrea i'm just not as good at typing one-armed.
19:45 cait it's not too late
19:45 rangi send a mail to the devel list maybe?
19:45 cait lol
19:44 rangi hehe
19:44 * wizzyrea sobs
19:44 rangi your stomach won
19:44 rangi but no
19:44 wizzyrea :P
19:44 rangi i puts it on the agenda for you
19:44 wizzyrea MY OWN ARM OFF
19:44 rangi but you were off eating
19:44 rangi dude you were sposta speak to that at the meeting
19:44 rangi 63 in 2009
19:44 wizzyrea oh, when are we having the xmas party :P
19:44 chris_n ?
19:44 rangi 67 in 2010
19:44 rangi pretty neat eh
19:43 oleonard So almost 2/3 of all the developers Koha has ever had were contributors in 2011
19:43 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " "
19:43 rangi thats bug 7141 chris_n btw :)
19:43 wizzyrea der
19:43 wizzyrea oh that explains it.
19:43 rangi it has into master, not 3.6.x yet
19:42 wizzyrea i guess the record.t patch hasn't made it in yet
19:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5604 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , additional icons for the Seshat set
19:42 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5604 : Follow up for missing image
19:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #18: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/18/
19:42 wizzyrea crikey that's a lot
19:42 cait squeee!
19:42 wizzyrea squee!!!
19:42 cait poking them too much might make them explode
19:42 rangi 91 authors in 2011!!!
19:42 cait be careful
19:41 cait heh
19:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7157 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, NEW , Improve the j2a.pl cronjob
19:41 * wizzyrea pokes QA on bug 7157 too.
19:41 * wizzyrea pokes qa on 7159.
19:41 chris_n no matter :)
19:41 rangi but they are up there now ;)
19:41 rangi ahh, sorry i put them on as 3 sep hehe
19:40 chris_n rangi: that will be fine
19:39 * wizzyrea nods
19:39 rangi english is so annoying
19:39 rangi Albert Oller becomes the 163th developer to have a patch pushed
19:39 rangi Martin Renvoize becomes the 161th developer to have a patch pushed :)
19:39 rangi have to fix some frenglish in the docs/history.txt though :)
19:38 rangi martine renvoize was 161, adrien saurat 162 and albert oller is 163
19:37 cait very nice
19:37 cait aah
19:37 rangi jon was 164
19:37 cait what happened after jon?
19:37 cait that was fast
19:36 rangi yup
19:36 cait 164?
19:36 wizzyrea noice!
19:36 rangi from mountain view, CA
19:35 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=90ddf1b2544d26910e3354670ea4aab65eb9b8aa
19:34 wizzyrea oooo !
19:34 rangi nope ppl with patches in
19:34 wizzyrea to be signed off?
19:34 rangi 164!
19:24 libsysguy cursed dislyxia
19:24 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 12:11 PM, July 27, 2009)
19:23 wizzyrea @quote random
19:23 sekjal brb, #Koha
19:22 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
19:22 huginn` libsysguy: Error: The command "random" is available in the Factoids and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
19:22 libsysguy @random quote
19:22 wahanui druthb was last seen on #koha 3 days, 1 hours, 27 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: :D [Mon Dec 5 17:52:49 2011]
19:22 libsysguy seen druthb
19:19 rangi chris_n: will make patches for those 3 commits now .. one patch ok?
19:12 wahanui magnuse: I forgot latter
19:12 magnuse wahanui: forget the latter
19:11 rangi theres benefit for some people, but they are most definitely the 1%
19:10 ibeardslee I can't understand how we even think there is benefit for us .. that's 'us' as in us here in NZ as compare to 'us' as in 'USA'
19:10 rangi there is
19:10 ibeardslee there is just so much that is wrong with the TPPA
19:09 rangi we'll never be able to have nz law apply to anything to do with IP
19:09 wahanui the latter is what I was thinking you liked to. The former I hadn't been looking at.
19:09 rangi the latter
19:08 ibeardslee .. (apologies to any sane US corporates existing in this channel)
19:08 ibeardslee you mean a US corporate will never be stupid? or that we'll never be able to stand up for ourselves?
19:07 rangi ibeardslee: when tppa goes through, that will never happen again
19:06 wizzyrea shush, you should not defile nz coffees with pens
19:06 rangi heh
19:06 * chris_n hands rangi a bic pen
19:05 bag heh wizzyrea - coffee sounds better right now :)
19:05 bag mmm… coffee
19:05 wizzyrea mmm muffins.
19:05 rangi back with coffee and a muffin
19:05 rangi :)
19:02 wizzyrea lol srsly
19:02 ibeardslee NZ does have some 'fun' with trademarks .. http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/6112419/Kiwi-kryptonite-defeats-Superman-trademark
18:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 18 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
18:58 wizzyrea very handy.
18:58 wizzyrea for doing things like pasting into email
18:57 wizzyrea ohh, jing has a "copy" feature now
18:57 wizzyrea safe travels :P
18:57 rangi bbiab
18:57 rangi ok my stop
18:56 wizzyrea expectation management.
18:56 libsysguy otherwise we wouldn't be able to run koha without all the "fringe" features
18:56 rangi yup
18:55 sekjal running master is a lot of work
18:55 * libsysguy has to
18:55 rangi that helps a lot
18:55 rangi like libsysguy
18:55 rangi but ppl could run testing branches that track master + something
18:54 rangi cos closing in on release it has to be stable
18:54 rangi but that would work only for part of the cycle
18:54 bag heh
18:54 bag wasn't pointing at you dood :)
18:54 * rangi never runs it in production
18:53 bag stop running master in production and master should become testing ;)
18:53 rangi its all the weird fringe cases
18:53 rangi heh it wont without a crap tonne of testing but chris_n will help with that
18:51 libsysguy if it gets merged by Jan I'll be the one buying the first round
18:50 libsysguy ^^^^^^
18:50 chris_n hehe
18:49 bag awesome! we should really get that merged in… so you could just pull master in Jan :)
18:49 wizzyrea ^^ and will be supergood testing
18:49 chris_n hopefully that will help scare out bugs
18:49 chris_n fwiw
18:49 chris_n bag: we're going to begin running libsysguy's branch live in Jan
18:49 bag well I've got a few examples of where the data was not changed - so I'd say no it didn't run
18:48 wizzyrea bag - it's not running?
18:48 sekjal once we get a public test server, we can get more eyes on it, and hopefully find some of the critical/blocker fringe cases you haven't run into libsysguy
18:46 libsysguy yeah i know you guys have a lot of people waiting on it
18:46 bag yup
18:45 libsysguy with glee bag?
18:45 libsysguy sorry
18:45 bag I was going to jump up and down - otherwise
18:45 libsysguy yeah '
18:45 bag ahhh…
18:45 sekjal bag: I think libsysguy means he just merged current master into his hourly branch on his repo
18:44 cait or on this bug
18:44 cait I tihnk there is a branch on his bug
18:44 bag heya cait
18:44 chris_n wb cait
18:44 bag libsysguy: hourly branch is merged? (where?)
18:43 cait guten abend magnuse
18:43 cait morning rangi
18:43 magnuse guten abend cait
18:43 rangi heya cait
18:43 cait hi again #koha
18:41 bag if not - then I've got a few other things that I could/need to check
18:41 bag if I edit that in cron.daily -- do I need to re-enable it or something
18:40 bag but I'm not seeing it work
18:40 bag and I had edited and changed the --lost 30=1 (and so on)
18:40 bag I've got this in my cron.daily --> koha-foreach --enabled /[MY PATH]/longoverdue.pl --lost 30=1 --charge 1 --confirm
18:39 bag any package guru's around?
18:39 libsysguy cries a little everytime
18:39 libsysguy *also hourly branch is now merged*
18:39 * wizzyrea was about to
18:38 libsysguy yes
18:38 libsysguy you mean like a test machine
18:38 libsysguy staging?
18:38 sekjal speaking of unit tests, anyone run the SIP test suite lately?
18:36 wizzyrea ^^
18:36 rangi on staging first right?
18:35 * libsysguy is about to be brave and try the authorities import script
18:32 rangi hmm ill have to test it, I might not have noticed
18:31 maximep except the main folder
18:31 maximep i dont think we have symlinks
18:31 maximep it finishes and runs, just takes more than 2 gigs of ram
18:31 wizzyrea ad infinitum.
18:30 wizzyrea hehe that would make it go omg omg omg
18:30 rangi u dont have circular symlinks or something?
18:30 maximep takes many gigs of ram for me
18:30 rangi weird, works for me
18:29 rangi they check for conflict markers etc as well
18:29 maximep except 00-load that seems to destroy my web server -_-
18:29 rangi my git hooks stop me committing if they fail
18:29 rangi the 00 ones are good to run
18:28 rangi I just signed off on pauls fix
18:28 rangi perl t/00-testcritic.t
18:28 wizzyrea oo, probably not. One sec.
18:27 rangi running the perlcritic tests?
18:18 wizzyrea with a fresh pull I am not actually seeing the failures jenkins is reporting
18:05 wizzyrea oh, nm it worked in the directory
18:04 wizzyrea hrm, I can't seem to convince prove to run the tests in xt/author
18:03 wizzyrea no, just kidding
18:03 wizzyrea i lie in constant wait for "bye"
18:03 oleonard You were ready
18:03 wizzyrea bye
18:03 reiveune1 bye
18:03 wizzyrea this is probably reflective of our collection as well
18:02 oleonard The 1 book was Smokin' seventeen by Janet Evanovich
18:02 oleonard 9 out of 10 of the most-checked-out items in our collections over the last 12 months were DVDs
17:56 botanica Gotcha, thanks!
17:55 rangi well those new fails on jenkins just prove that once again people are not running unit tests
17:55 wizzyrea precisely, and tell the import to bring in items as well as bibs
17:55 botanica So, populate 952 with a value before import?
17:54 wizzyrea its
17:54 wizzyrea botanica: koha keeps it's items in the 952 fields
17:54 oleonard botanica: If holdings didn't import, doesn't that mean you should start over and try again?
17:53 botanica Hi, I have a new install of Koha, imported MARC from Follett. How can I batch process all records to have a single holding? They imported but nothing has a holding.
17:52 * wizzyrea remembers to run prove xt this time
17:50 oleonard I should go and just stay until KohaCon ;)
17:50 * oleonard really wants to go to Hackfest in Europe 2012
17:49 wizzyrea oleonard++
17:49 wizzyrea k i'll fix it - and the revision looks good, renewal buttons are gone
17:49 * oleonard didn't see that you had already obsoleted the original patch
17:49 oleonard No not intentional
17:48 wizzyrea i'll just fix it if you want, but I didn't know if that was intentional
17:48 wizzyrea oh it's ok
17:48 wizzyrea byekf
17:48 oleonard sorry, looking again
17:48 kf bye all :)
17:47 wizzyrea not my signoff >.>
17:47 wizzyrea right, 6671 was my patch to fix the buttons on the staff side debar -> restrict
17:47 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
17:47 huginn` 03Attachment 3 was not found or is not accessible.
17:47 oleonard attachment 3!
17:47 chris_n ooo.. huginn does attachments
17:46 oleonard The new patch replaces the old one.
17:46 huginn` 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6671&action=edit patch, Bug 7337 - Followup - Correcting instances of "debar" that crept back in., Bug-7337---Followup---Correcting-instances-of-deba.patch
17:46 wizzyrea oleonard: attachment 6671 is incorporated in your revision? or accidentally obsoleted?
17:44 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7337] "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999 <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337>
17:35 wizzyrea :D
17:34 oleonard :)
17:34 wizzyrea the * is the sound high fiving makes
17:34 wizzyrea hmm
17:34 oleonard Ooo, scary praying mantis
17:33 wizzyrea o/*\o
17:33 wizzyrea hehe
17:32 oleonard We don't need a bug to tell us that
17:31 wizzyrea does that mean we're leet now?
17:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999
17:31 wizzyrea did you realize that we were working on bug 7337
17:31 wahanui oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
17:31 wizzyrea hey oleonard
17:25 wizzyrea later
17:25 jcamins I'll be back in a few hours.
17:25 jcamins I found an example of what I want just now, and I did it right. :)
17:25 jcamins However, good call.
17:25 jcamins wizzyrea: very frightening!
17:24 wizzyrea if you can put aside the fact that it's frightening in there, it can be instructive.
17:24 wizzyrea lots of pulling lists of stuff from mysql in there
17:24 * jcamins heads into the city.
17:24 wizzyrea jcamins: you might look in items.pm
17:23 kf paul_p: hope I can come - it was great last year
17:23 wizzyrea lol
17:23 oleonard Yewkle lay le?
17:23 wizzyrea oh right you're from ohio.
17:23 oleonard You kew lay lee?
17:22 jcamins :P
17:22 jcamins wizzyrea: if I change it to 'u', will it retrieve data from the database?
17:22 wizzyrea ooo koo lay lee
17:22 wizzyrea ukUlele
17:22 jcamins $row->{'ukelele'}?
17:20 jcamins $row->{'imagenumber'}?
17:20 paul_p kf thx ! (and hope to have you again !)
17:20 kf paul_p++ :)
17:19 jcamins ^^ Will that work?
17:19 jcamins }
17:19 jcamins while (my $row = $sth->fetchrow_hashref) { push @imagenumbers, $row{'imagenumber'};
17:17 jcamins What?
17:16 wizzyrea i... i guess.
17:16 oleonard Proof that the ukulele is a traditional Australian instrument.
17:16 wizzyrea oleonard: that's a great story.
17:16 wizzyrea so somewhere out there, some japanese person thinks they saw some kind of ukulele star in the sydney airport
17:15 wizzyrea japanese tourists kept coming by and taking his picture
17:15 wizzyrea also funny, in the Sydney airport trea was playing his uke to pass the time
17:15 oleonard "Check out these American kids I found!"
17:15 oleonard So somewhere out there someone has my kids in their photo album
17:15 oleonard This young Japanese woman is having her picture taken, she asks my kids to be in her picture
17:14 jcamins Does anyone have at their fingertips an example of getting a Perl list out of MySQL?
17:14 oleonard Okay, funny story: My family and I were doing the tourist thing in Chicago and visiting the Bean, taking pictures etc.
17:12 rhcl_away http://static.zenimax.com/bethblog/oldcontent/bright_shiny.jpg
17:12 oleonard Man I am so distractable today. Don't show me anything shiny.
17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7259 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages
17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7116 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Item form when ordering in batch from staged marc has lots of white space for hidden fields
17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7020 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, jaker, ASSIGNED , Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details
17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6987 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , C4::Overdues::GetFine returns inconsistent
17:11 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 08 Dec 2011 16:17:37 Z
17:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages
17:11 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages
17:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
17:11 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7116: White space on item form for bulk ordering from staged file
17:11 jenkins_koha * jaker: Bug 7020 Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details
17:11 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 6987 Make return from Overdues::GetFine consistent
17:11 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Allowing eval require
17:11 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Jenkins complaining = fixing number of tests
17:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #17: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/17/
17:02 * jcamins adds additional features and reduces the SLOC.
16:58 chris_n food calling, bbiab
16:58 * wizzyrea laughs
16:57 * chris_n wonders
16:56 * jcamins awards the "weirdest error handling EVAR" prize to the code that chris_n borrowed.
16:55 oleonard http://cdn.thegloss.com/files/2011/09/jfk.jpg
16:55 * jcamins prefers to give kids the benefit of the doubt for a little while.
16:55 chris_n well, sometimes folks do let things go on a bit longer than maybe one would think they should...
16:54 wizzyrea feel better? ;)
16:54 wizzyrea "i want to ban that kid for a week because he threw the computer across the room"
16:54 wizzyrea fine
16:54 chris_n grammar++
16:52 wizzyrea hence why he's banned.
16:52 oleonard That's a long time to be throwing a computer across the room.
16:52 wizzyrea this is "I want to ban that kid who threw the computer across the room for a week"
16:52 wizzyrea okies
16:51 oleonard I think that's something else
16:51 wizzyrea or is that something else
16:51 wizzyrea this is "fine in days" right?
16:51 oleonard ...and it *does* remove the debarred until date
16:51 wizzyrea hrm
16:51 oleonard ...but it doesn't prevent the removal of the debarred flag
16:51 oleonard ...and you change debarred to 'no' without deleting the debarred date you'll see the error in the log
16:50 oleonard If you have a patron who is debarred and has a debarred unil date...
16:50 * jcamins ponders error-handling.
16:50 oleonard A pretty odd case, and just an error in the log I think.
16:49 wizzyrea oleonard: what was your new problem with sqlhelper?
16:48 wizzyrea "omg they'll cane me if I miss something!"
16:47 wizzyrea thought I'd make it a bit more clear, since we had that lovely discussion yesterday.
16:47 * wizzyrea was always concerned about what exactly the responsibility of the signoffer was
16:46 chris_n lol
16:46 oleonard I've seen Drupal modules with more documentation than that! Oh wait, no I haven't.
16:45 wizzyrea hehe yea
16:44 * chris_n notes that the "Test It" subsection is rather barren
16:43 chris_n looks good otherwise to me
16:42 wizzyrea k
16:42 chris_n '
16:42 chris_n probably should include 'prove xt as well
16:42 wizzyrea anybody have objections to this edit to the sign off howto page on the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches#A_note_about_signing_off_on_patches
16:41 chris_n ahh
16:40 jcamins s/wholeslae/wholesale/
16:40 jcamins No, I mean, I suspect that kmkale copied that routine wholeslae from *you*.
16:40 chris_n that is original
16:40 chris_n no
16:40 * jcamins suspects that that code was copied wholesale as well.
16:39 chris_n jcamins: here's the routine to get a db image out to the template if you care to look at it: http://tinyurl.com/brzvpyv
16:37 kf found it
16:37 jcamins chris_n: if they come up with another way of storing large pieces of data, they are welcome to share that.
16:37 * chris_n always argued that your HDD structure is a db
16:37 kf soemthing is wrong with my jquery (
16:36 chris_n never did any performance testing on it, though
16:36 * oleonard has heard that recommended against before
16:36 chris_n some folks don't think we should burden the db with large blobs, however
16:36 chris_n and then a routine to push them out to the templates
16:36 chris_n which is really cool
16:36 chris_n jcamins: I did write a routine to store them as blobs in the db
16:35 chris_n 308
16:35 chris_n 307 Original contributor(s) undocumented
16:35 chris_n 306
16:35 chris_n =head1 AUTHORS
16:35 chris_n I'm safe:
16:35 jcamins If you said "data," my next question was going to be "how?" ;)
16:35 oleonard I remember fixing this bug with restricted opac users and renewals once before.
16:35 jcamins That's much easier.
16:35 chris_n right-o
16:35 jcamins Cool.
16:35 chris_n the object
16:35 jcamins GD::Image, then?
16:35 chris_n once its a GD object you can do all sorts of manipulations to it
16:35 jcamins Better to pass around the GD::Image or the data?
16:34 chris_n /images/image/
16:34 chris_n passing around a blob of the images is best in my experience
16:34 chris_n yeah, and it is ugly
16:34 jcamins I'm passing the source image in.
16:33 jcamins chris_n: heh. So I'm working on a cut-and-paste of your cut-and-paste.
16:33 chris_n but I am responsible for the larger part of any mess there
16:33 chris_n jcamins: I think I was working off of some cut-and-paste
16:32 chris_n jcamins: hard to tell
16:32 wizzyrea keke
16:32 wizzyrea sorry, RESTRICTED patron.
16:31 jcamins chris_n: ah, denying ownership now that you've seen it? :P
16:31 wizzyrea "massive bit"
16:31 wizzyrea sekjal++ for catching it
16:31 chris_n jcamins: actually, I only did a massive bit of reworking on it
16:30 oleonard Me too :)
16:30 wizzyrea sorry I missed that :/
16:30 wizzyrea kk
16:30 oleonard sekjal is right wizzyrea, I need to go back and revise
16:30 jcamins Incidentally, there's a bug in the image resize code.
16:30 chris_n "STILL UNSTABLE" *sigh*
16:30 jcamins tools/picture-upload.pl.
16:30 jcamins chris_n: to clarify, this is for cover images, which uses code copy-pasted from picture-upload.pl.
16:29 chris_n jcamins: refresh my memory on where that file is and I'll look
16:29 jenkins_koha Starting build 17 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
16:29 wizzyrea (for a debarred patron)
16:29 jcamins chris_n: excellent. I'm trying to decide whether it's best to pass file names or the contents of files to a new C4 module I am creating.
16:29 wizzyrea (as I was just able to renew an item)
16:29 wizzyrea and you are saying that it's not working? (I seem to have observed that it does not)
16:28 chris_n jcamins: "long, long ago, and in a galaxy far, far away..."
16:28 chris_n jcamins: do I want to claim ownership?
16:28 wizzyrea ok thanks will check
16:27 wizzyrea ohh
16:27 chris_n paul_p: but don't worry :)
16:27 sekjal wizzyrea: if a patron is debarred, they should get that message in the OPAC (as it's been fixed now), but if they have overdues, their renewal button in the overdues table should be "Account Frozen" instead of anything actionable
16:27 paul_p (and jenkins still complaining, but i've submitted a patch for the 3 complains, that are unimarc plugin related -missing use strict-)
16:27 chris_n that's because the procedure you all are using to push to master is different
16:27 jcamins chris_n: did you write picture-upload.pl?
16:27 paul_p chris_n, I hope.
16:27 paul_p the fact is that I had problem to apply them, and rangi told me I should merge master onto new/bug_6679 first, then apply them. I did that, and it worked well from here.
16:27 chris_n no need to loose time over it; rangi will fix them up
16:26 chris_n sorry
16:26 chris_n four
16:26 chris_n all three
16:25 paul_p chris_n, mmm... which cherry pick fail ?
16:25 wizzyrea and the debarment?
16:25 wizzyrea sekjal: i'm not sure what you're asking about re: overdues?
16:25 chris_n paul_p: if a commit does not cherry-pick cleanly, the bug report gets a comment to that effect requesting the author to rebase and reformat if the patch should apply to the maintenance branch
16:24 * oleonard gets distracted by his report of records with invalid item types
16:24 wizzyrea again
16:24 wizzyrea i'll nuke it out :)
16:24 chris_n paul_p: I always cherry-pick from master unless there is something specific to the maintenance branch code
16:24 wahanui i guess either way is workable though imho
16:24 wizzyrea either way
16:23 wizzyrea possibly
16:23 nengard and i thought the patron edit page as well
16:23 nengard cause i know i removed it from the button before
16:23 paul_p I understood that. What I don't understand is where do you get your patches from. The branch on git or the attached patches ?
16:23 nengard maybe
16:23 kf perhaps crept back in with fine in days?
16:23 wizzyrea and on the button to "lift debarment"
16:23 nengard uh oh! :)
16:23 chris_n paul_p: actually 4 commits
16:23 wizzyrea it's still in the member edit screen
16:23 nengard i thought we had done that already ? replaced debarred with restricted
16:23 kf ignore it then ;)
16:23 chris_n hence my request
16:23 nengard yes
16:23 wizzyrea replacing it with restricted?
16:23 chris_n they don't apply to 3.6.x cleanly
16:23 kf hm. ok
16:22 wizzyrea so ok, we are eliminating debarred as a word?
16:22 chris_n paul_p: five hours ago there were three commits from 6679 to master
16:22 paul_p kf, why back ? I never left (at least today) !
16:22 kf wb paul_p
16:22 paul_p the git branch ?
16:22 paul_p where do you get the patches from ?
16:22 paul_p attach corrected patches to this bug report.
16:22 paul_p hi chris_n. I don't understand: your comment to 6679: The latest round of patches for this bug do not apply cleanly to 3.6.x. Please
16:21 chris_n hi paul_p
16:21 wahanui release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6.
16:21 paul_p chris_n ?
16:21 wizzyrea so great.
16:21 wizzyrea oleonard++ love that pending stuff to do display
16:19 kf why does every block in memberentry have an id except for the main adress?
16:19 kf grr
16:18 wizzyrea possibly :)
16:18 oleonard [off] Too much time spent around asshats wizzyrea?
16:18 wizzyrea [off] he's perfectly nice!
16:18 wizzyrea [off] there's not even any *reason* for that!
16:17 wizzyrea [off] every time asaurat is in here I accidentally (and unconsciously) read his name as "asshat"
16:16 oleonard Useful because we import most of our MARC data
16:16 wizzyrea I like all of these things.
16:16 wizzyrea oo
16:16 oleonard I have a home-grown PHP script that checks ccodes and itemtypes against authorised values
16:16 wizzyrea that it might be just as well to add a tickbox of optional data "for testing"
16:15 sekjal also, for some of the more esoteric data structure restrictions in accountlines and reserves that aren't enforced by the DB
16:15 wizzyrea which makes me think
16:15 wizzyrea the rest is sample data
16:15 wizzyrea basically that test db I made has 11x bibs in it and a serial subscription.
16:15 sekjal check for things like item values corresponding to proper AV values, codes in all caps, no trailing whitespace in codes, etc
16:14 wizzyrea ooo
16:14 sekjal might be complementary to your project
16:14 sekjal wizzyrea: in my (non-existent) free time, I want to write a koha database sanity check test script to run against production systems.
16:12 wizzyrea whoot!
16:12 wizzyrea :) all ok, just had to let that out -- all fixed now though!
16:12 nengard :(
16:12 * wizzyrea mutters more
16:12 wizzyrea MUCKS IT ALL UP.
16:11 wizzyrea this is what making test databases does for you.
16:11 * wizzyrea mutters about not being able to find any items to check out because she needs to reindex her test server.
16:10 nengard HA!
16:10 nengard oleonard do comments show too?
16:10 jcamins nengard: I don't know what you're talking about.
16:10 oleonard Next I'll add some CSS so that as the numbers go higher the blue changes to yellow, then red.
16:10 nengard see how jcamins didn't answer my question ?
16:09 nengard Exactly!!
16:09 oleonard MUST. BALANCE. COLUMNS!
16:09 oleonard Or you could think of it as incentive to deal with those pending operations?
16:09 nengard LOL
16:09 oleonard Oh that's easy nengard, just take away your own cataloging privileges and it'll even up ;)
16:09 nengard that i'm nuts? :)
16:09 * jcamins agrees.
16:08 nengard oleonard - totally not you - all me :) hehe
16:08 nengard the right column is longer than the left now and I'm nuts - it's just unbalanced
16:08 oleonard Lay it on me
16:08 oleonard Uh oh
16:08 nengard neat - but it's bugging me the way it looks :)
16:08 sekjal nengard: I know, right?! pretty neat
16:08 jcamins sekjal: Koha::Covers::Local it is, then.
16:08 nengard time for some new manual edits!!! :)
16:07 nengard woa - just did a fetch and see that i have tags and suggestions waiting on my staff client homepage
16:07 oleonard memberentry.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/SQLHelper.pm line 361
16:07 sekjal jcamins: any subroutines should be pull out into a module
16:07 oleonard Just an error in the log, I don't think it's actually serious.
16:07 jcamins sekjal: I am implementing this now. I can either use modules, or, as kmkale's proposal did, put all the logic directly in .pl files.
16:07 * chris_n runs away screaming
16:07 sekjal oleonard: ::sigh:: do tell
16:06 sekjal would be best to separate out tranactional logic from database access
16:06 oleonard Oh, who wants to know about a new error with SQLHelper? :)
16:06 sekjal I'd like for the community to agree on a structure to the namespace before we start rushing to populate it
16:06 * jcamins resists the urge to bludgeon all the cover images stuff into the Koha namespace.
16:05 jcamins Thanks.
16:05 jcamins Ah. Cool.
16:05 sekjal fill with modules
16:05 sekjal jcamins: just add a Koha directory parallel to C4
16:05 jcamins Can I see it in hourly loans?
16:04 jcamins How does one create a new namespace?
16:04 sekjal hopefully so too will Solr
16:04 jcamins So I didn't do anything disastrous.
16:04 sekjal hourly loans and the accounts rewrite both plan to make use of it
16:04 jcamins Okay.
16:04 jcamins Oh.
16:04 * jcamins is feeling very excitable, apparently.
16:04 sekjal none of our current patches have created it yet, though
16:04 jcamins sekjal: heeeeellllllpppp!!!!
16:04 sekjal the Koha namespace would be at the same level as C4
16:04 kf is it in yet?
16:04 jcamins kf: that's what I would've thought.
16:03 kf same level as C4?
16:03 * oleonard checks under his desk
16:03 kf or your directory
16:03 kf I think in kohaclone?
16:03 kf hm
16:03 wizzyrea ^^ was wondering that myself
16:03 jcamins Uhhh... where is the Koha namespace?
16:02 oleonard sekjal: I was testing with a user with overdues, setting debarred, debarred with a date, debarred with a comment, etc.
16:02 jcamins sekjal: what's your philosophy on major revisions to someone else's patch as a counter-proposal?
16:01 sekjal can you confirm that a debarred user with items still checked out gets an "account frozen" message in their overdues table?
16:01 sekjal not sure if that's the same debarred or not
16:01 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999
16:01 sekjal wizzyrea and oleonard re: bug 7337. 'debarred' field is also used in the opac/opac-user.tt for overdues to indicate account is frozen
16:00 jcamins Hmmm...
15:57 jcamins 173x121? What an odd size.
15:57 wizzyrea l
15:57 wizzyrea the images are smaaal
15:57 wizzyrea :) I figured as much but I just remembered what I had discovered when testing openlibrary.
15:57 * jcamins is looking at local cover images, not openlibrary. :P
15:56 wizzyrea we should probably be using medium
15:56 wizzyrea it's using the small one
15:56 wizzyrea openlibrary
15:56 wizzyrea oh speaking of cover size images
15:56 jcamins What size are cover images supposed to be?
15:38 jcamins Yeah, that would be very cool.
15:38 jcamins oleonard: oh, I see what you mean.
15:38 oleonard jcamins: http://www.amazon.com/k/dp/B003ZSP0WW/
15:37 Oak ok :)
15:37 kf Oak: ok :)
15:37 jcamins oleonard: how does Amazon handle it?
15:37 Oak how was the meeting kf?
15:36 oleonard jcamins: The way Amazon handles it could be a model
15:36 huginn` Oak: druthb was last seen in #koha 2 days, 21 hours, 41 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <druthb> :D
15:36 Oak @seen druthb
15:36 jcamins oleonard: and add a tab for showing additional images, I think.
15:36 Oak kia ora #koha
15:36 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7337] "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999 <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337>
15:34 wizzyrea /irclog
15:34 wizzyrea to irc.koha-community.org
15:34 wizzyrea the logs have moved
15:34 wizzyrea oh
15:34 oleonard http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-12-07#i_836628
15:33 oleonard "Yeah. I thought we had an agreement, but then what we were mailed diverged in some important ways, so round we go again. I'm 98% sure we'll be 5th-11th June 2012."
15:33 nengard and the wiki doesn't link to the right part of the log: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_7_December_2011
15:33 nengard the minutes don't say a date: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-12-07-18.00.html
15:33 jcamins oleonard: yes.
15:33 kf http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-12-07#i_836614
15:32 oleonard jcamins: What would you change? Storage of more than one image?
15:32 wahanui irc logs are ibot's friend :) or at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/
15:32 kf or irc logs?
15:32 jcamins They should be linked on the wiki, at least.
15:32 jcamins Ah well.
15:31 jcamins meeting minutes?
15:31 nengard are they on the wiki?
15:31 nengard k
15:31 jcamins nengard: minutes.
15:31 jcamins oleonard: yes, so that you could store additional images of an item.
15:31 nengard meeting protocol?
15:30 kf sekjal: the status is not set, I tried receive and an additional check in
15:30 oleonard jcamins: non-cover images?
15:30 kf sekjal: yes, the trigger is broken
15:30 kf nengard: check the meeting protocol from yesterday
15:30 jcamins Thoughts on me modifying bug 1633 to allow non-cover images as well?
15:30 sekjal kf: AVAILABLE notice should work if it's triggered. the trick is making sure it's triggered (I think)
15:29 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded.
15:29 nengard @later tell slef i really need some kohacon dates so i can put it on my calendar - things are filling up fast fast fast and i can't leave the whole month open
15:29 * chris_n forgets the verbose switch and then stares blankly a the screen wondering why there was no output
15:28 kf sekjal: we are 'almost' there now - the available is still missing
15:28 kf sekjal: thx to you!
15:28 jcamins Hm. I guess kmkale won't be around for another 12 hours, will he?
15:27 sekjal well, it was an interesting experiment
15:27 sekjal paul_p: as I recall, I was surprised by the difference in the NYT::Prof numbers and the actual execution time on the page
15:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
15:26 * jcamins looks at bug 1633.
15:26 nengard or slef :)
15:26 nengard self around?
15:26 paul_p sekjal, I don't think so, memcache means one more http request to call memcache server, it usually show no speed improvement.
15:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7093 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW , Placeholders for suggestion table in suggestion related mails broken
15:25 sekjal kf++ (for signoff on bug 7093). thanks!
15:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables
15:23 sekjal so perhaps the other implementation that rangi referenced on bug 6193 would be more effective
15:22 paul_p (which I was sure since a long time, but now, numbers tend to prove this feeling)
15:22 paul_p The more I investigate,the more I feel that the solution is persistency !
15:21 sekjal paul_p: not yet, still getting through my morning email backlog
15:21 wizzyrea instead of debarment
15:21 wizzyrea but yea, nengard's right it should say "restriction"
15:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7170 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Remove use of XML::Simple
15:21 paul_p sekjal, did you see my comments on bug 7170 ?
15:21 wizzyrea seems fine to me
15:21 * paul_p start working on cataloguing plugins that make hugin complain...
15:19 * sekjal is motivated by chocolate
15:19 oleonard Yeah
15:19 wizzyrea indeed
15:19 nengard not debarment since we removed that language
15:19 nengard and it should say 'lift restriction' on the button
15:18 chris_n maybe add "this means you!"
15:18 nengard what happens if they are automatically restricted (from overdues)
15:18 nengard and clear
15:18 nengard oleonard that is cute :)
15:18 chris_n seems very clear to me oleonard
15:18 alex_a chris_n: lol
15:18 jcamins chocolate++
15:17 oleonard I'm trying to integrate the comment clearly
15:17 oleonard Does this revised debarred statement make sense? http://screencast.com/t/gbCHdM8Jgfji
15:17 chris_n or at least give them more chocolate or some such
15:17 chris_n maybe we need to pay our QA folks more :-)
15:17 libsysguy hey chris_n
15:17 libsysguy paul_p that doesn't sound good
15:16 paul_p it was announced 3 subs were deleted, I (when QAing seem to have miss a file had been deleted as well !)
15:16 chris_n howdy libsysguy
15:16 libsysguy morning #Koha
15:15 paul_p alex_a & chris_n => I feel it has be deleted silently, without anyone caring
15:15 alex_a and make sure i can revert that
15:15 alex_a chris_n: nope indeed. but i want to see why it has been delete before
15:13 chris_n it shouldn't be too hard to revert
15:13 * alex_a believes oleonard is right
15:12 alex_a hop ... deleted
15:12 alex_a --- a/acqui/fetch_sort_dropbox.pl +++ /dev/null
15:12 alex_a oleonard: yes. i found the patch:
15:12 oleonard alex_a: Looks like it was probably just a mistake
15:11 wizzyrea all good
15:11 oleonard Oh sorry, not keeping up.
15:10 wizzyrea it did, it was removed in bug 6181
15:10 oleonard alex_a: Are you sure it ever existed?
15:10 chris_n k, thanks for the help all
15:10 jcamins nengard: Apache expiration headers, I mean.
15:09 * talljoy notes she is way behind in her reading....oops
15:09 wizzyrea it's one of those bic ones
15:09 wizzyrea :P
15:09 wizzyrea well, it has a cap on it
15:09 * jcamins didn't know about the syspref.
15:09 * alex_a don't understand why fetch_sort_dropbox.pl has been deleted
15:09 talljoy wizzyrea: am thinking point side up is worse. the open ink container is pointing down then right into the coffee.
15:09 wizzyrea :D
15:09 wizzyrea hey! that's the one I thought it was!
15:09 jcamins chris_n: sorry, I thought we were talking about hard due dates all along.
15:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6181 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Remove CGI::scrolling_list from C4:Budgets
15:08 alex_a found ! bug 6181
15:08 wizzyrea ctrl-f -> ceiling
15:08 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/administration.html#circprefs
15:08 sekjal also adds "floor due date"
15:08 jcamins nengard: the reason I didn't see it is that I had a *really old* version cached.
15:08 chris_n that's what I get for running an old version
15:08 sekjal this puts the controls for such behaviour at the circ matrix level, instead of a system-wide level
15:08 chris_n ahh
15:08 sekjal global and ceiling due dates were removed in favour of the Hard Due Dates dev
15:08 chris_n due dates will be less than this date.
15:08 chris_n set to a valid ( according to dateformat syspref ) date, then calculated
15:08 chris_n from the commit message: This adds a feature and system preference: ceilingDueDate. If this is
15:08 jcamins nengard: tell larryb to check the expiration headers on manual.k-c.org.
15:07 wizzyrea perhaps you were poking at the wrong one ;)
15:07 wizzyrea because I'm pretty sure the manuals for all of the 3.2+ versions are available
15:07 nengard didn't we remove the ceilingduedate preference?
15:07 wizzyrea chris_n: what version *is* your production using?
15:07 wizzyrea yea, but that's not the syspref ceilingduedate
15:06 nengard http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/patscirc.html#circfinerules
15:06 jcamins nengard: oh, you're here.
15:06 nengard jcamins yes
15:06 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
15:06 jcamins @later tell nengard Are hard due dates documented in the manual?
15:06 chris_n just got to remember to unset it when they open back up :)
15:05 chris_n a description sure would be nice, though... for those who are not risk takers
15:05 chris_n well, we'll find out if that works
15:04 jcamins chris_n: I don't see it in the manual either.
15:04 wizzyrea in theory
15:04 wizzyrea well it should
15:04 chris_n so ceilingDueDate won't work you think?
15:04 wizzyrea oic
15:04 chris_n the production system is not at that version yet :P
15:03 wizzyrea that could suck if you have lots of rules
15:03 chris_n opps
15:03 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/pI6mPd2D4gge
15:03 chris_n ceiling sounds like what I want, but I'm not sure what I want
15:03 jcamins It's the latest date on which something can be due.
15:03 jcamins No, I think that's right.
15:03 chris_n ?
15:03 chris_n globalDueDate
15:02 wizzyrea ceiling due date i think is not what you're looking for
15:02 chris_n am I missing something or is there no help for ceilingDueDate in the 3.6 manual?
15:02 chris_n hmm
15:02 kf but make it fetch the description from the manual perhaps...
15:01 kf both cool ideas
15:01 chris_n or even have a tool-tip which contained the basic description
15:00 wizzyrea oh, that would be cool.
15:00 chris_n a cool enh would be to link the name of the syspref in the admin interface to the exact spot in the online docs
14:59 * chris_n breaks down and reads the manual
14:58 jcamins alex_a: you're welcome.
14:58 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=grep&s=fetch_sort_dropbox&sr=1
14:58 alex_a jcamins: thx :)
14:58 jcamins Everything to do with acquisitions is gibberish, so I can't say if it's telling us the correct things.
14:58 chris_n heh
14:58 jcamins It does something, anyway.
14:58 chris_n very nice
14:57 jcamins chris_n: seems to.
14:57 alex_a git log -p | grep fetch_sort_dropbox.pl give me so many things
14:57 kf hm it's stilll inked from acq.js
14:57 wizzyrea says googlez
14:57 chris_n does that work jcamins
14:57 wizzyrea git log --diff-filter=D --summary
14:57 alex_a lol
14:57 jcamins git log -- acqui/fetch_sort_dropbox.pl
14:56 kf alex_a: now you distracted everyone from my bug question! :)
14:56 chris_n its not possible afaik
14:56 * wizzyrea was wondering the same thing
14:56 * oleonard wonders if there's a good way to get git to tell you when something was removed
14:56 kf and not sure alex_a - what does git say?
14:55 kf what's it supposed to do?
14:55 alex_a ?
14:55 alex_a does anyone know why "acqui/fetch_sort_dropbox.pl" no more exists in koha 3.6
14:54 kf we have a disgreement here :) some more opinions needed :)
14:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , late order management
14:54 kf bug 5347
14:54 kf hmmm
14:54 chris_n hehe
14:53 oleonard Sparkle pink gel coffee?
14:53 wizzyrea depends on how strong it is
14:53 chris_n sometimes both :P
14:53 wizzyrea or silver?
14:53 oleonard chris_n: Do you take it black? Or blue?
14:53 wizzyrea (find your own spoon)
14:53 wizzyrea (no pen)
14:52 * wizzyrea hands chris_n a cup of coffee and runs away
14:52 chris_n without the pen please
14:52 chris_n uh
14:52 chris_n hand me a cup of coffee and I won't hold it against you ;-)
14:52 chris_n :-)
14:52 wizzyrea j/k <3
14:52 chris_n lol
14:52 wizzyrea keke
14:52 wahanui i heard manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
14:52 wizzyrea manual?
14:51 * chris_n wonders what other wonderful features are lurking in koha that he's missed
14:51 wizzyrea "set it, and forget it!"
14:51 * wizzyrea sounds like she's from an infomercial this morning
14:51 chris_n ok, I missed the hard due date feature
14:51 jcamins sekjal: ohhh. Thanks. I knew there was some sort of transitional thing.
14:51 wizzyrea because you can set your hard due date at the beginning of the semester and pretty well forget about it
14:50 wizzyrea chris_n: in the future you probably want to set up your circ rules to compensate for that
14:50 sekjal jcamins: was part of the database update
14:50 chris_n since the due date is set after the close date by default
14:50 chris_n some patrons seem not to be able to understand that
14:49 jcamins sekjal: don't we have a script that changes the due date globally so that the transition to hard due dates was painless?
14:49 chris_n ie. our library closes over the break and requires the return of all materials
14:49 chris_n right, existing
14:49 chris_n but will gladly accept directions :)
14:49 * chris_n has not seen it
14:49 jcamins chris_n: don't we have a script that does that?
14:48 wizzyrea nm
14:48 wizzyrea oh existing ones
14:48 wizzyrea can't you do that with circ rules?
14:48 wizzyrea pfft
14:48 chris_n we need a way to do a blanket due date change on all outstanding issues
14:48 jcamins chris_n: yeah, I guess neither of us are *real* librarians like wizzyrea. ;)
14:48 chris_n yuk
14:47 jcamins chris_n: I was thinking "when your preferred sweetener for your coffee is ink."
14:47 wizzyrea I kind of like it actually :P
14:46 oleonard Is the GBSD twitter account supposed to stop tweeting after GBSD is over?
14:46 chris_n jcamins: when every time you hear a book title, you immediately think of its call number?
14:45 chris_n did someone say "coffee"?
14:45 jcamins ?
14:45 jcamins wizzyrea: "You know you're a librarian when..."
14:45 chris_n g'morning
14:44 wizzyrea ink side up, of course :P
14:44 * wizzyrea just had to use a ball point pen to stir her coffee because she could not find a spoon
14:44 wizzyrea hi there
14:41 jcamins Morning.
14:36 wizzyrea yw
14:36 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea
14:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Debarred Until" display in the opac tells patrons they are debarred until the year 9999
14:36 wizzyrea bug 7337 oleonard
14:35 sekjal morning, #koha
14:34 wizzyrea cool, I'll file the bug for you :)
14:34 * oleonard tinkers
14:33 oleonard That looks like an easy template fix wizzyrea
14:33 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7332] Translated title (MARC21 field 242) doesn't display <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7332>
14:30 wizzyrea display
14:30 wizzyrea ok, well we still have a problem with the date
14:30 wizzyrea oh I see
14:30 oleonard Yeah, it was a database problem. I didn't get the update that converted debarred to a date field.
14:29 wizzyrea except for the "debarred until 9999" thing
14:29 wizzyrea it looks like it's working for me
14:29 wizzyrea oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/7SlsPBavSnT
14:26 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/QKvVMFzTbi
14:26 * oleonard sets back his koha version and lets updates run
14:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7332 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW , Translated title (MARC21 field 242) doesn't display
14:25 jcamins kf: weren't you just thinking you wanted to sign off on bug 7332? :P
14:25 wizzyrea the patron I debarred
14:25 wizzyrea hm but that is weird
14:24 wizzyrea do note, it was a "regular" patron
14:24 wizzyrea and I just fetched
14:24 wizzyrea I'm not having any trouble
14:23 wizzyrea hmm
14:23 oleonard I must have missed a database update?
14:21 wizzyrea hm that seems odd
14:21 oleonard Interesting... borrowers.debarred for that patron record is set to 127.
14:20 oleonard Not even free frogurt with that.
14:19 jcamins That's bad.
14:19 oleonard It breaks access to the OPAC for that user too
14:19 wizzyrea O.o
14:19 oleonard Don't try with your only superlibrarian user
14:19 * wizzyrea will try it
14:18 oleonard It seemed to have not worked, but now I can't log in as that user
14:18 wizzyrea ah, sounds like fine in days?
14:18 oleonard I edit my patron record and checked the 'debarred' radio button (but didn't put in a debarred until date)
14:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Cleaning up tests to use sample data
14:17 wizzyrea bug 7333
14:17 jcamins That could've been a while ago. I don't recall the last time I looked at frameworks.
14:17 wizzyrea it's in bugzilla
14:17 jcamins Hey, someone restyled the framework thing, too?
14:17 wizzyrea I made a testing db for running unit tests.
14:17 wizzyrea oh, and btw
14:16 wizzyrea how are you going about making a patron debarred oleonard
14:16 magnuse oleonard++
14:16 wizzyrea oleonard++
14:16 wizzyrea i like it too :)
14:16 jcamins Suggestions pending approval, Tags pending approval.
14:15 oleonard ?
14:15 jcamins That's *beautiful*!
14:15 jcamins oleonard++
14:15 jcamins Whoah!
14:15 * jcamins sees what kf was talking about.
14:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7332 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Translated title (MARC21 field 242) doesn't display
14:15 jcamins After I test my patch for bug 7332, I'll check for you.
14:14 jcamins Uh-oh. That would be bad.
14:14 oleonard Uh oh... Is making a patron debarred broken in master?
14:11 jcamins oleonard: yeah, I know. I just had forgotten.
14:10 oleonard jcamins: The results one is in-progress. There's a bug and patch for it if you'd like to help
14:10 wizzyrea mornin
14:10 jcamins Results stylesheet.
14:10 oleonard Sure there is jcamins
14:09 * jcamins_away rediscovers the fact that there's no intranet XSLT stylesheet.
14:07 oleonard Hey, we have a few of those in our collection
14:05 magnuse francis ford coppola is going to make a film based on a book by our most popular crime author (jo nesb�) though!
14:04 magnuse well, not lots, but some...
14:04 magnuse jcamins_away: i think that work is pretty complete now, i hope eythian and srdjan will get around to submitting a patch
14:03 magnuse weird!
14:03 magnuse yeah, lots of scandinavian movies are re-done in the us
14:03 jcamins_away magnuse: thanks.
14:03 oleonard Hence the creation of a duplicate "Girl with the dragon tattoo" movie.
14:03 jcamins_away oleonard: alas, I think that is true.
14:03 magnuse i have been using the stuff on this branch: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/wr83663-l10n
14:02 oleonard If Americans were forced to READ the television there would be nationwide revolt on an unprecedented scale.
14:02 jcamins_away magnuse: yeah, I know that, but you're using packages for NORMARC installations, aren't you? So you must be doing something.
14:02 kf wish we would do the same
14:02 magnuse and tv-series
14:01 magnuse huh? we only dub children's movies!
14:01 magnuse catalyst hav been working on integrating translations into the packaging process
14:01 oleonard All those Norwegian voice actors would be out of work if they didn't have American TV to dub
14:01 magnuse um, hardly...
14:01 jcamins_away magnuse: how do you handle translations with the packages?
14:00 magnuse gah, how i wish norwegians used english so i didn't have to worry about translations...
13:59 magnuse kf: yup
13:59 oleonard Okay, I wasn't sure with the stable releases.
13:58 kf and hi magnuse :) home now?
13:58 kf oleonard: there are only some time lines, so some days before the release no string changes
13:58 kf oleonard: we update the po files between releases :)
13:58 magnuse at least we try to... ;-)
13:57 kf oleonard: new strings are ok for bugfix releases
13:57 kf arg
13:57 kf magnuse: we do translation
13:52 paul_p => a bugfix is always OK for stable branch
13:51 paul_p oleonard, not at all.
13:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7083 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Show creator name on list of public lists
13:51 oleonard But with an edge case like Bug 7083 it might be reason enough to reject it
13:50 magnuse bugs should be fixed
13:50 magnuse i'd say no
13:49 oleonard If a bug fix introduces new strings does it make it inappropriate for the stable branch?
13:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow custom parameters for sorting in sql reports
13:42 kf bug 7335
13:41 kf thx oleonard :)
13:36 kf that sounds nice :)
13:35 oleonard Maybe you should make the bug very general, like "Allow custom parameters for sorting in guided reports"
13:33 kf and sql does not like that
13:33 kf and it does not work, because I can get a pull down and all using an authorized value in the report, but the replaced string always has '' around it
13:32 kf sorted
13:32 kf but for the way it should be ordered
13:32 kf using the placeholders
13:32 kf or for an itemtype
13:32 kf that does not ask for a branch
13:32 kf a custom report
13:32 oleonard I don't really even understand it
13:31 kf oleonard: any idea how to call that new feature?
13:31 kf perhaps a case for a enh request
13:31 kf that's ok.
13:30 kf hi oleonard :)
13:30 * oleonard waves to kf but has no answer
13:18 kf or make it work with ''?
13:18 kf is there a way to avoid the '' ?
13:18 kf s order by 'cardnumber desc'
13:18 kf but it builds something like
13:18 kf and a placeholder
13:17 kf using an authorized value list sort
13:17 kf to build a report that would allow to choose how to sort it
13:17 kf I was trying
13:17 kf reports question
13:17 kf hhmmm
12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7259 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages
12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7116 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Item form when ordering in batch from staged marc has lots of white space for hidden fields
12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7020 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, jaker, ASSIGNED , Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details
12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6987 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , C4::Overdues::GetFine returns inconsistent
12:22 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages
12:22 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages
12:22 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7116: White space on item form for bulk ordering from staged file
12:22 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Welcome to jon Aker (#164) + missing tabs & "releases"
12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " "
12:22 jenkins_koha * jaker: Bug 7020 Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details
12:22 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 6987 Make return from Overdues::GetFine consistent
12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7141 : Changing test to match new formatting of xsl style sheet
12:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Allowing eval require
12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Adding license statement and stopping declaring variables in a conditional
12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : cataloguing/ now passing critic tests
12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679: catalogue/ now passing perl critic tests
12:22 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679: Fixing admin/aqplain :encoding(UTF-8) gives strict validation
12:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #559: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/559/
12:19 AmitG chris around?
11:47 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5347] late order management <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347>
11:29 jenkins_koha Starting build 559 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 20 j ago)
11:23 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f0c10ef1bc09d820523fbaf528df45d72dfa782> / Bug 7259 - Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3c02c6bb6bb544136aabc4b5d68db031f192b25> / Bug 7116: White space on item form for b
10:25 * kf paul_p thx :)
09:06 paul_p kf, chocolate given to joubu (he was at a short meeting)
09:01 huginn` asaurat: The current temperature in Vladivostok, Russia is -12.0�C (7:30 PM VLAT on December 08, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -21.0�C. Windchill: -19.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
09:01 asaurat @wunder vladivostok
09:00 * kf kf_mtg
09:00 kf ok, meeting time
09:00 Oak cool
09:00 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.9�C (9:54 AM CET on December 08, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028.0 hPa (Steady).
08:59 Oak @wunder konstanz
08:59 kf sunny here :)
08:59 Oak not very sunny
08:59 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 21.0�C (1:00 PM PKT on December 08, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
08:59 Oak @wunder islamabad
08:58 Oak ah i see
08:43 kf Oak: but same there, not using it = forgetting
08:43 kf Oak: speaking is too much... I learned russian from 7th to 11th grade, but can't really speak it and studied japanese at school and for 1 year at university
08:42 kf and thx paul :)
08:42 * kf sends chocolate to joubu
08:42 kf paul_p: because I failed the late order management again
08:38 * Oak goes to sit in sunlight
08:38 paul_p (dark chocolate with nuts)
08:38 Oak morning francharb :)
08:38 paul_p kf, chocolate to joubu ? I can do that immediatly if you explain why
08:37 Oak you speak Russian and Japanese kf ?
08:37 Oak whoa
08:36 francharb morning
08:26 kf you could choose between French and Russian as a second language
08:26 kf but the school I was at offered it
08:26 kf a lot of people in DDR learned russian, not very common in south germany
08:25 kf but you are right
08:25 kf no
08:24 asaurat russian ? were you raised in a former DDR land ?
08:24 kf can one of you give jonathan some chocolate?
08:23 kf heh yes
08:23 asaurat crazier :D
08:23 kf for me
08:23 kf english, russian, japanese
08:23 kf ok...
08:23 kf asaurat: crazy :)
08:23 asaurat kf: no, spanish :), but I took latin as 3rd language
08:22 paul_p (and choosing german at 11 is only for students with good results)
08:22 kf asaurat: did you learn german at school?
08:22 paul_p asaurat, right.
08:21 asaurat in southern France, choosing german is often, like latin, a way to end up in a "good" class :D
08:21 kf paul_p: how does he like German?
08:20 kf hehe, yeah sometimes wahanui :)
08:20 wahanui interesting is good
08:20 kf interesting
08:17 paul_p it's funny to see that he sometimes make mistakes in his accent: saying a german word with english accent.
08:17 paul_p (well, for motivated parents too ;-) )
08:17 kf learning german is hard
08:17 paul_p (he choose to start a 2nd FL at 11, it's mandatory only at 13. But his school propose this option for motivated childrens)
08:16 kf no, you didn't :)
08:16 paul_p kf, did I tell you that my 2nd son (Nathan, 11) is learning english as 1st foreign language, and german as 2nd ?
08:15 kf bonjour paul_p :)
08:15 paul_p good morning kf
08:15 kf rangi++
08:14 rangi hello :)
08:14 rangi and should have happy jenkins again
08:14 paul_p hello rangi
08:14 rangi will stop the tests complaining
08:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " "
08:14 rangi plus bug 7141
08:14 huginn` 04Bug 6679: minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
08:14 rangi paul_bed: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679#c32
08:13 kf back :)
08:04 reiveune Hi Oak and everybody :)
08:03 Oak hello reiveune :)
08:01 wahanui que tal, reiveune
08:01 reiveune hello
07:56 Oak TenÄ Koe rangi
07:53 rangi evening all
07:24 cait morning alex_a and AmitG
07:23 alex_a morning #koha !
07:22 AmitG heya cait
06:30 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7334] Improve 'No address stored' and similar messages in patron account <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7334>
05:13 cait hi Oak :)
05:13 Oak Good morning miss cait :)
05:13 Oak Hello Mr. Robin
05:12 cait hey eythian :)
05:12 eythian hi cait
05:10 cait morning #koha :)
04:39 Oak kia ora #koha
04:27 Judit i will!
04:27 Judit :)
04:27 eythian No one does.
04:25 Judit anyone has experience with the offline circulation tool for firefox?
04:25 wahanui bonjour, Judit
04:25 Judit hi
03:59 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4530] Circulation & fines rules aren't always applied from most specific to less specific <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4530>
03:16 libsysguy haha aww she started another git repo
03:16 jcamins_away libsysguy: https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ <-- in there is a script old/migration/fetch_marc_by_ISBN.pl
03:14 jcamins_away Yeah, definitely best to do that.
03:14 libsysguy that way its not lagging out production
03:13 jcamins_away Good thought.
03:13 libsysguy thread the process
03:13 libsysguy maybe I can set up multiple servers to pull
03:13 libsysguy 0_0…hmm
03:12 jcamins_away Crap. It'll take over a week.
03:12 jcamins_away They usually take, what, 10 seconds?
03:12 jcamins_away If you could do one Z39.50 search per second, it'd take over a day.
03:12 jcamins_away Definitely weekend.
03:11 libsysguy ohh yeah…that'd be an awesome way to pull them all
03:11 jcamins_away Maybe over the weekend.
03:11 jcamins_away In that case, get them to activate your Z39.50 access, and leave it running overnight.
03:10 libsysguy i sure hope not…I don't think we do…I think it is a package deal
03:09 jcamins_away Do you pay OCLC by the search?
03:09 libsysguy maybe 50K-100K
03:09 libsysguy haha…yeah I think if i can get them all in one place it won't be bad…it does seem like there are a lot
03:08 jcamins_away *was
03:08 libsysguy ahh
03:08 jcamins_away libsysguy: I sas just saying, seems like a good idea to me.
03:04 huginn` jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
03:04 jcamins_away @later tell libsysguy Good plan. Hopefully there won't be too many that require overlaying, though I guess doing it via script wouldn't be that bad.
01:25 wizzyrea oic.
01:25 rangi not sure i think that was the start of making the tests make their own db
01:24 wizzyrea what's the stuff in t/db_schemas for?
00:50 rangi heh
00:29 * wizzyrea had 10x identical reserves on a bib.
00:29 wizzyrea keke the reserves test makes an identical reserve every time it's run.