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23:56 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7333] Cleaning up tests to use sample data <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7333> / [Bug 7331] Circulation.pl generates errors in the log <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7331>
23:45 wizzyrea right
23:44 rangi eh=the
23:44 rangi right, its probably going to have to make those then at least eh subscription
23:43 wizzyrea and 1 bib to attach that to.
23:42 wizzyrea right so Serials.t requires at least one subscription in your test db
23:37 Judit good morning
23:29 huginn` libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
23:29 libsysguy @later tell gmcharlt thanks for the MARC::Charset package on CPAN
23:29 wahanui gmcharlt was last seen on #koha 5 days, 7 hours, 57 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: @quote random [Fri Dec 2 15:29:27 2011]
23:29 libsysguy seen gmcharlt
23:26 wahanui jcamins_away was last seen on #koha 59 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: Late lunch. [Wed Dec 7 22:25:23 2011]
23:26 libsysguy seen jcamins_away
23:26 huginn` moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -3.4�C (5:23 PM CST on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Rising).
23:26 moodaepo @wunder 56001
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23:25 chris_n @wunder 28334
23:02 rangi lol
23:01 wizzyrea time to go I guess lol.
23:01 wizzyrea wow.
23:01 wizzyrea and I even signed off on that
23:01 rangi :)
23:00 wizzyrea great minds I guess.
23:00 wizzyrea phew.
23:00 rangi which was the one that changed the format :)
23:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " "
23:00 rangi on bug 7141
23:00 wizzyrea oh, ha
23:00 rangi i already fixed record.t
23:00 rangi wizzyrea: yo!
22:44 rangi wizzyrea++
22:33 cait night :)
22:33 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
22:33 wizzyrea @later tell paul_p I can't seem to get test 4 of db_dependent/Search.t to complete - do I need something special in my db?
22:27 jcamins_away Late lunch.
22:27 cait bye jcamins :)
22:27 jcamins Have a good night, #koha.
22:27 jcamins Okay, time to head downtown-ish.
22:27 NCARMichael thank the Wiz
22:25 NCARMichael i hate reports, until they work.
22:24 NCARMichael ooh! i think this is working!
22:24 rangi just to be nice and clear and not at all confusing ;)
22:24 rangi so you assign a PREDUE to the Advanced Notice
22:24 wizzyrea ah yea
22:23 rangi nstaller/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sample_notices.sql:('circulation','PREDUE','Advance Notice of Item Due','Advance Notice of Item Due','Dear <<borrowers.firstname>> <<borrowers.surname>>,\r\n\r\nThe following item will be due soon:\r\n\r\n<<biblio.title>>, <<biblio.author>> (<<items.barcode>>)'),
22:23 cait oh
22:23 rangi in the notices it is
22:23 NCARMichael anyway, i'll test it
22:23 NCARMichael shouldn't there be a comma after biblio.biblionumber? before CONCAT?
22:23 cait rangi: it is?
22:23 wizzyrea oh, wait again, never mind. lol
22:22 wizzyrea I see a problem already
22:22 wizzyrea oh wait
22:22 NCARMichael thx
22:22 wizzyrea NCARMichael: http://paste.koha-community.org/140 but I haven't tested it.
22:21 rangi well its called predue in some places
22:20 wizzyrea derp.
22:20 * wizzyrea was looking for pre-due
22:19 wizzyrea it is called advance, not pre-due
22:19 wizzyrea no no
22:19 cait you can rename it, but be consistent
22:19 wizzyrea we should call it that :P
22:19 wizzyrea oh advance
22:19 rangi yep, found it in the db
22:19 * wizzyrea doesn't have pre due either
22:19 cait pre due is advance notice
22:19 rangi Advance Notice
22:19 NCARMichael how do i squeeze that concat in there
22:19 cait item due is item due
22:18 cait hm no
22:18 NCARMichael http://paste.koha-community.org/139
22:18 NCARMichael still struggling here...
22:18 wizzyrea I think item due is pre-due
22:18 wizzyrea rangi
22:11 rangi never mind ill figure it out its the db no doubt
22:11 cait chekc the table
22:11 wahanui i think message_attributes is just a list of all the patron-controllable messages in the system
22:11 cait message_attributes
22:11 rangi not 5
22:11 rangi i see 3
22:11 rangi yup
22:11 wizzyrea enhancedmessagingpreferences is on?
22:10 cait 3.2.11 had those features
22:10 rangi so it might have not got added
22:10 wizzyrea ohh
22:10 cait should be still there
22:10 rangi but upgraded from 2.2.5
22:10 cait advanced notice, item due, hold, check out, check in
22:10 rangi this is an 3.2.11 one
22:10 cait should be 5 entries
22:10 NCARMichael ah, ok. now i'm closer.
22:10 rangi but its not
22:10 rangi yeah it should be wizzyrea
22:10 rangi not loaded in from db or something
22:09 wizzyrea isn't it on the patron detail
22:09 cait jquery, javascript or entries missing from the database table
22:09 cait which leaves
22:09 cait it's not configurable
22:09 rangi hmm
22:09 cait should be in there
22:09 NCARMichael let's see
22:09 rangi but i want to let them choose pre due ones
22:09 wizzyrea space at the beginning?
22:09 NCARMichael okay, "items with x and y itypes"...Koha won't even save it for me. Error.
22:09 cait advance notice
22:08 rangi item check in
22:08 rangi hold filled
22:08 rangi well i can see prefs for item checkout
22:07 cait message preferences?
22:07 cait what's the question?
22:06 rangi hmm how do you allow ppl to choose pre due messages i wonder, hmmm ill go check the manual
22:03 wizzyrea bu it's pretty close
22:02 wizzyrea that may not be exactly what you want
22:02 NCARMichael hm...okay, i'll plug it in.
22:01 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Items_with_.22X.22_.26_.22Y.22_ITypes
22:01 NCARMichael i not see it
22:01 jcamins Oh, yeah, it is.
22:01 wahanui sql reports library is probably at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
22:01 wizzyrea sql reports library?
22:01 wizzyrea I think the report you're looking for is in the library
22:00 NCARMichael oh, i took this from another report i had that (sort of) works...thus the ExtractValue
22:00 jcamins Use biblio.title.
22:00 jcamins NCARMichael: don't use the ExtractValue.
22:00 NCARMichael ideally, it'd spit out a hyperlinked list for me.
21:59 NCARMichael http://paste.koha-community.org/138
21:59 NCARMichael SQL is hard...can't get this one to work.
21:58 wizzyrea only partially implemented iirc
21:57 sekjal okay, time to jet. night, #koha!
21:57 indradg groups in koha?
21:54 wizzyrea that would be cool
21:54 wizzyrea oooo
21:52 sekjal for all those date-range queries
21:52 * sekjal wants to enable "date" support, so a little Javascript calendar can be added (instead of a dropdown)
21:51 wizzyrea that's in the manual too.
21:51 wizzyrea authorized values work too
21:50 wahanui shelving location is now in italic underneath the library name.
21:50 NCARMichael shelving location
21:50 wizzyrea it's in the manual ;)
21:50 NCARMichael actually, i'm using LOC dropdown
21:50 NCARMichael ah, good to know
21:49 wizzyrea "The only supported dropdowns at this time are Branches (branches), Item Types (itemtypes) and Patron Categories (categorycode)."
21:49 wizzyrea the_manual++
21:49 NCARMichael thx
21:49 NCARMichael bingo!
21:49 wizzyrea section 1.1.2
21:49 sekjal what wizzyrea said
21:49 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/reports.html#customreport
21:48 cait yes that
21:48 cait try
21:48 wizzyrea itemtypes
21:48 NCARMichael no
21:47 NCARMichael maybe items.itype?
21:47 wizzyrea because I know they are listed
21:47 wizzyrea did you happen to look at the manual
21:47 NCARMichael no workie
21:47 NCARMichael nope
21:47 jcamins itype, I think.
21:46 wizzyrea itype maybe?
21:46 NCARMichael SQL runtime parameters...apparently itemtype is not the code that will give me the item type dropdown... WHERE location = <<Location|LOC>> AND itemtype = <<Item Type|itemtype>>
21:45 wizzyrea is there some known issue with t/db_dependent/Search.t
21:43 jcamins Hm. 242 doesn't show up.
21:43 indradg aah
21:41 cait oh!
21:41 rangi aka firefox
21:41 rangi red panda
21:40 indradg rangi, is that a racoon?
21:40 wahanui links in reports are found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Links
21:40 wizzyrea links in reports?
21:40 wizzyrea hehe
21:40 wizzyrea links in reports is <reply> links in reports are found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Links
21:40 NCARMichael i could've figured that out myself...i just like making y'all paste links.
21:39 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot links in reports
21:39 wizzyrea forget links in reports
21:39 wahanui hmmm... links in reports is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Links
21:39 wizzyrea links in reports?
21:39 wizzyrea links in reports is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Links
21:39 wizzyrea :P
21:39 jcamins wizzyrea: :P
21:38 wahanui sql reports library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
21:38 jcamins sql reports library?
21:38 jcamins CONCAT("beginning of url", biblio.biblionumber, "end of url")
21:38 wizzyrea http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Links
21:38 NCARMichael Let's say I want results listed by hyperlinked title
21:38 NCARMichael SQL...how does one make report results hyperlinked to bibrecords?
21:36 cait oh cute
21:36 rangi from zoodoo last night
21:35 rangi https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N4W6WoEAN-o/Tt85PXTNOVI/AAAAAAAABgY/UcgmgvRVcWs/s912/_dsc029620-01.jpg
21:35 * oleonard waves goodbye to all
21:35 * jcamins makes a mental note to find funding to put alternate cataloging interfaces into Koha.
21:34 jcamins Thanks!
21:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, koha, ASSIGNED , MARC21 field 545 missing
21:34 rangi bug 5226 signed off
21:33 wizzyrea :)
21:33 wizzyrea oh good oki
21:33 * wizzyrea does too
21:33 indradg wizzyrea, never mind... i got it... the display order is being driven by the sort listing on the right
21:33 * jcamins considers that the desired behavior.
21:33 wizzyrea then it will bring back ones for that branch
21:33 wizzyrea oh right, if you search for clerical aptitude branchname
21:32 wizzyrea unless I'm missing something
21:32 jcamins Only if you're searching by something that matches a branch name.
21:32 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5473>
21:32 wizzyrea branch doesn't really factor in to that afaik
21:32 wizzyrea you're sorting by relevance
21:31 wizzyrea not sure what you're getting at
21:31 indradg wizzyrea, thats why I asked
21:31 indradg wizzyrea, have a look -> http://central.tnopac.gov.in/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=ti&q=clerical+aptitude
21:31 NCARMichael right
21:30 rangi http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/quakes/latest.html
21:30 rangi only a little one, but close and shallowish
21:30 wizzyrea there is no definable sort
21:30 oleonard NCARMichael: The trouble is a public note is an item-level bit of information and lists show biblio-level information (mostly)
21:30 wizzyrea they are alpha usually by branch name, sometimes by branch code
21:29 wizzyrea yep
21:29 NCARMichael i wanted to just have a Public Note for each item in my List that described each item.
21:29 indradg hi... what controls the display order of "libraries" if a search is performed across branches? is it the ASC sort of "library code" setup during defining a library?
21:29 wizzyrea love that xkcd
21:29 wizzyrea hehehehe
21:29 oleonard NCARMichael: What change were you hoping to make?
21:29 NCARMichael okay, just wondered.
21:28 oleonard NCARMichael: You can't, short of customizing the template as far as I know
21:28 rangi http://xkcd.com/723/
21:28 wizzyrea usgs does something similar
21:28 rhcl http://scistarter.com/project/43-Did%20You%20Feel%20It%3F
21:28 NCARMichael Hi People. Lists...how do I control which fields appear to patrons for items in a List?
21:27 wizzyrea oo
21:27 liw rangi, yikes
21:26 rangi http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/wel-drum.html
21:23 rangi yeah its pretty much constant
21:22 jcamins Yikes! There were 18 eathquakes in NZ since December 1.
21:19 * oleonard crosses his fingers
21:19 jcamins Bah. Field 581 is missing too.
21:19 wizzyrea ooo
21:19 ibeardslee ohh
21:19 cait oh no again?
21:19 wahanui earthquake is on the news
21:19 rangi earthquake
21:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7135 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , save button options
21:19 oleonard Bug 7135
21:18 * cait agrees
21:18 * wizzyrea too
21:18 rangi its cool
21:18 wizzyrea (really)
21:18 wizzyrea it is MADE OF AWESOME
21:18 rangi oh yeah, i signed that off
21:18 jcamins That's pretty cool.
21:18 jcamins Ah.
21:18 wizzyrea so the save button is always visible
21:18 wizzyrea it makes the save button stick at the top of the screen while the page underneath it scrolls
21:17 jcamins wizzyrea: what's it do?
21:17 jcamins rangi: not at all.
21:17 wizzyrea man I cannot wait for owen's patch to the search button on cataloging
21:17 rangi if you dont mind me amending your patch?
21:17 jcamins Thanks.
21:17 rangi i can fix that too
21:17 jcamins The updatedatabase will not apply anymore.
21:17 * rangi can fix that right now
21:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, koha, ASSIGNED , MARC21 field 545 missing
21:16 jcamins Bug 5226.
21:16 rangi bug number?
21:16 jcamins Yep.
21:16 oleonard Needs signoff
21:16 jcamins Over a year ago.
21:16 jcamins I did.
21:15 jcamins Didn't I patch that?
21:15 jcamins Hm. We're still missing field 545.
21:13 rangi yup
21:13 wizzyrea that makes it easy
21:13 wizzyrea imma just change it to one that exists in the sample data
21:13 wizzyrea yes, exactly
21:13 rangi right, yeah feel free to change the branchcode, it uses s i think
21:13 rangi ah
21:12 * wizzyrea will stop talking now
21:12 wizzyrea I think
21:12 wizzyrea you fixed the other thing in members.t, the real problem
21:11 wizzyrea unless you fixed that
21:11 wizzyrea and was failing
21:11 wizzyrea that it was trying to use a branchcode that didn't exist
21:11 wizzyrea no, I found this problem when I was testing your patch yesterday
21:11 rangi i think i fixed it already?
21:10 wizzyrea bc that's annoying ;)
21:10 * wizzyrea will fix members.t tho
21:10 * jcamins personally prefers that option, because that way you don't have to keep two DB configs synced.
21:10 wizzyrea right - it looks like reserves.t is looking for a bib though, and if you don't have any...
21:09 rangi is a good idea
21:09 rangi but for branches, using the ones in the sample .. when testing say members
21:09 rangi becuase you have to test the create :)
21:09 rangi a lot of the tests create and remove
21:08 wizzyrea perhaps a new category for "developer test data"
21:08 wizzyrea I think it's better to make sure the necessary stuff is in the sample data
21:08 jcamins You didn't want an easy answer, did you?
21:08 wizzyrea hmm
21:08 jcamins Or create a branch at the beginning of the test and remove it at the end.
21:08 wizzyrea :)
21:08 wizzyrea an answer, I'm for this.
21:07 jcamins Use one already in the sample data.
21:05 wizzyrea whaddya think
21:05 wizzyrea so, I can either change the test to look for a branch in the sample data, or add another test branch
21:03 Brooke kitty feeding time
21:03 Brooke und nao
21:02 Brooke hooray thanks liz :)
21:00 cait wizzyrea++
21:00 wizzyrea with all of the sample data
21:00 * wizzyrea just made a whole new database for running tests against
21:00 wizzyrea hm members.t wants a branchcode of 's' which doesn't exist in the sample data
20:59 dpavlin slef: References: or TR-Ticket header?
20:59 cait fix one, file bugs?
20:59 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6141 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , html glitches causing problems to translator
20:59 oleonard I was looking at Bug 6141 and discovered these issues as I went
20:57 cait are there bug reports for that?
20:57 cait and I understand what you are saying... hm.
20:57 cait oleonard: and thank you for that!
20:57 * oleonard was just going to fix one small i18n bug...
20:56 oleonard What do you mean about stuff hlt wants to do Brooke?
20:56 oleonard It doesn't handle the AdvancedSearchTypes pref correctly, doesn't handle item-level_itypes correctly, doesn't display title information well
20:56 Brooke if you can localise it to a shelf range somehow, I'll give you a cookie.
20:55 Brooke that would be a key call for the shtuff hlt wants to do
20:55 cait what's broken with it?
20:55 cait i think some libaries use it
20:55 Brooke hellz yes it would be
20:55 cait hm
20:55 oleonard Yes
20:55 Brooke as in the stuff that goes out the most?
20:54 * oleonard wonders if opac-topissues.pl is worth the trouble to fix...
20:50 slef dpavlin: how do you set that to auto-file without the [RT #xxx] style tags?
20:47 dpavlin slef: request-tracker?
20:45 thd slef: In my former bookshop, I gave them the voice of HAL which they would use to announce over the shop's speakers that they had finished some significant job and were available for more work.
20:41 slef thd: most of mine are already seriously deranged. They've known me too long.
20:41 jcamins rangi: thanks. :)
20:40 * chris_n discovers a nasty bug in his shiny-new automation script >:-(
20:40 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7141] The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141>
20:40 thd slef: Be nice to your computers. Give them morally uplifting tasks.
20:39 wizzyrea my arms are safe.
20:38 slef ooh that's sick
20:38 slef hrm... I think I could upgrade our filer so that if a human identifies the keyword(s) it could try to make a guess
20:37 slef thd: snap!
20:37 thd slef: OK, We really need to develop natural language processing for our computer so that yours know 'KohaCon 2012' should be filed in the 2612 index.
20:36 slef if anyone finds a FOSS bug tracker or task tracker which can file mails correctly without using reference numbers, please let me know so I can steal its code ;-)
20:36 jenkins_koha chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.04.07.000 07 Dec 2011 19:43:11 Z
20:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #67: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/67/
20:35 slef no, bizarrely, our ref no for it really is 2612
20:35 thd slef: had you meant 2012?
20:34 slef thd: but no, as it would mean whoever received the mail would have to do an index lookup to file it :-/
20:34 thd http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12
20:34 thd slef: Well maybe but it is on the wiki.
20:34 * Brooke welcomes the mutant overlords.
20:34 slef thd: oh did I write that in an email?
20:34 oleonard KohaCon 2612 is going to be great, except for the mutants.
20:33 thd slef: would 'KohaCon 2012' work almost as well as 2612?
20:32 cait oleonard: I will join you after doing the dishes
20:32 * oleonard remembers he was digging through old bugs looking for treasures
20:31 slef thd: the co-op's internal reference number for KohaCon.
20:31 slef oleonard: a mind is a wonderful thing to lose.
20:31 cait ask your current git branch? :)
20:31 thd slef: What is 2612?
20:29 * oleonard tries to remember what he was doing before lunch & meeting
20:27 cait sleep well :)
20:26 rangi cool
20:26 paul_p & i'll push it (my) tomorrow
20:26 rangi ill submit a patch
20:26 rangi because its a whitespace fail
20:26 rangi but the fix is to change the test
20:26 rangi the commit for that is causing the test to fail
20:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " "
20:25 rangi bug 7141
20:25 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 20.0�C (1:20 AM IST on December 08, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
20:25 chris_n bye paul_p
20:25 indradg @wunder kolkata
20:25 cait bye paul_p :)
20:24 rangi cya paul_p
20:24 Brooke good night!
20:24 paul_p OK, bye bye ppl, time to go to dinner then bed for me !
20:24 wahanui slef: I forgot that joke
20:24 slef wahanui: forget that joke
20:24 wahanui slef: I forgot anything else
20:24 slef wahanui: forget anything else
20:24 wahanui the time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
20:24 slef the time?
20:23 wahanui OK, oleonard.
20:23 oleonard wahanui: Time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
20:23 wahanui oleonard: I forgot time
20:23 Brooke oleonard++
20:23 oleonard wahanui: forget time
20:23 wahanui ...but time is a scary thing...
20:23 oleonard wahanui: Time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.
20:22 rhcl daem
20:22 jcamins rhcl: sorry, you just missed it.
20:22 oleonard Missed it by a hair rhcl
20:21 rhcl #info RHCL = Greg Lawson @ Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
20:21 Brooke skitter!
20:21 huginn` Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-12-07-18.00.log.html
20:21 huginn` Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-12-07-18.00.txt
20:21 huginn` Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-12-07-18.00.html
20:21 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Dec 7 20:19:02 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:21 Brooke #endmeeting
20:21 Brooke #agreed 4 January 10 UTC
20:20 slef +1 2012-01-04 10:00:00 +0000
20:20 jcamins Yup.
20:20 wahanui rumour has it the time is a scary thing
20:20 cait oh, the time
20:20 cait jcamins: hm?
20:19 jcamins Seems more fair to cait, et. al.
20:19 thd +1 4 Jan. 10 UTC
20:19 cait yep
20:19 jcamins Sounds fine to me, though I won't be able to make it.
20:19 jcamins First Wednesday of next month, minus eight hours?
20:19 jcamins dpavlin: yeah, it's just your regular Koha installation.
20:19 paul_p sounds OK
20:18 Brooke 4 January 10 UTC?
20:18 rangi good idea
20:18 rangi dpavlin: yes
20:18 dpavlin Should we suggest to run tests under new database, so that people don't run it on production by mistake?
20:17 dpavlin Where do I configure database which t/db_dependent uses? in current KOHA_CONF ?
20:17 wahanui that joke is wearing thin
20:17 slef that joke?
20:17 Brooke #topic Next Meeting
20:17 thd I fixed it three weeks ago but it failed when I tested but seems to be working with no intervening change except maybe an apache restart.
20:17 slef thd++
20:17 wahanui OK, oleonard.
20:17 oleonard wahanui: That joke is wearing thin
20:16 cait thd++
20:16 cait yay :)
20:16 wahanui anything else is just piling mess on top
20:16 Brooke anything else?
20:16 Brooke hooray
20:16 thd uploading files is working again for the wiki.
20:15 thd On old business which came out around the end of the last meeting ...
20:15 paul_p 19:38 ~/koha.dev/koha-community (master $% u=)$ perlcritic acqui/basketgroup.pl Expression form of "eval" at line 190, column 9. See page 161 of PBP. (Severity: 5)
20:15 mtj2 bah, i gotta scoot now too - ciao all
20:15 paul_p nope, it's level 5
20:15 francharb_afk even more on irc!
20:14 francharb_afk sounds fun
20:14 francharb_afk that's something we don"t have in france
20:14 paul_p the perlcritic comes from a patch to have pdf printing working. it's perlcritic level 3 iirc.
20:14 francharb_afk lucky you
20:14 francharb_afk Brooke, i just saw that "koha christmas pary"
20:14 Brooke any other crap we've not beaten to a bloody pulp yet?
20:14 Brooke #topic Olde Business and Miscellanea
20:14 * slef mutters about a 23 Dec meeting he has to attend
20:13 Brooke so no holiday party?
20:13 paul_p (the testcritic one)
20:13 rangi then perl critic after
20:13 rangi paul_p: ill look at the Record.pm one now
20:13 paul_p rangi, yep. And I think 2 are duplicates (or 2 reports of 1 problem)
20:13 francharb :)
20:13 francharb have a nice day/night!
20:13 rangi cya francharb
20:13 francharb bye all!
20:12 rangi hmmm down 2 only 4 fails on master
20:12 cait oleonard++
20:11 oleonard Sometimes I think that's what GBSD ends up being sekjal (or at least bug-finding)
20:11 Brooke which Friday? Proper eNZed Friday, or that late Friday everyone else celebrates?
20:11 drojf local
20:11 sekjal thd: global bug-creating day?
20:11 thd rangi: yes GBSD in reverse.
20:11 cait so more like a friday than like gbsd :)
20:10 * oleonard doesn't need a holiday to talk rubbish on irc
20:10 Brooke #justsayin
20:10 JesseM Send all gifts to HLT!
20:10 Brooke *cough* we could do it over someone's Birthday
20:10 rangi something like gbsd ... but with less work more talking rubbish on irc :)
20:10 cait coookies!
20:10 cait heh
20:10 sekjal if it involves baked goods, I'm there!
20:09 rangi i have no idea
20:09 rangi someone suggested it on irc, so i put it on the agenda
20:09 oleonard What is a Koha Christmas Party?
20:09 rangi that is all
20:09 rangi and you should cater
20:09 rangi oh, we should have one
20:08 thd The longer ahead we could actually schedule a conference the better prospects people might have of obtaining low prices for the excursion.
20:08 Brooke rangi, yes?
20:08 Brooke #topic Koha Christmas Party
20:08 Brooke so movin' on
20:07 schuster tks all... I enjoyed having you all here.
20:07 Brooke ;)
20:07 tajoli But for example Pakistan (with users and firm) is quite difficult for many of us
20:07 Brooke or DC
20:07 Brooke aye
20:06 * oleonard would love a KohaCon in bag's neck of the woods
20:06 paul_p yep, plano was really great !
20:06 paul_p cait++
20:06 thd tajoli: I expect good proposals from all of those places and their near neighbours.
20:06 rangi and that media center was top notch
20:06 rangi plano was fun
20:06 schuster Ya'll could come back to Plano TX USA, but I suspect you want to see another part of the US! LOL...
20:05 cait if that makes sense
20:05 drojf cait++
20:05 cait I like someone hosting who is present on lists and irc before offering
20:04 dpavlin I think we might want to move away from Europe in 2013 if possible, but I would appiricate mailing list summary from somebody else since I'm not native speaker :-)
20:04 tajoli In fact now the real option are USA, EU, India NZ, AU
20:04 * Brooke flexes her authoritay
20:04 Brooke you do it slef :P
20:04 slef or shall I? As we deffo won't bid.
20:04 thd Brooke: Otherwise I agree completely about rotating locations and definitely not having US and EU in alternating turns.
20:03 * dpavlin grrr...
20:03 slef or do either want to bid? ;-)
20:03 paul_p dpavlin, you start a wiki page & drop a mail to koha general ML ?
20:03 slef so does cait or dpavlin volunteer to send that email? ;-)
20:03 Brooke #action mail a proposal out to the list about hosting 2013
20:03 thd Brooke: Exactly, we should not push people hard to hold a conference in some location where we have not had one if they really have not enough interest to put themselves forward.
20:03 dpavlin paul_p++
20:02 cait yes +1
20:02 slef paul_p++
20:02 slef (dagnabbit where was that email about debconf?)
20:02 Brooke insufficient interest would mean no proposal from that region thd
20:01 paul_p maybe what we should do now is drop a mail to koha ML to say "hey, who is interested to host KohaCon13" ?
20:01 Brooke I think Zagreb would be neat
20:01 thd Brooke: However, conference venue rotation rules should not force a venue where there is insufficient interest in actually organising a conference.
20:01 Brooke you have information for next time round
20:01 Brooke worse comes to worst
20:01 Brooke dpavlin, I don't see any reason you can't start checking things out
20:01 dpavlin Let's consider Zagreb backup option for 2013.
20:00 Brooke again personally, I just don't want it to degrade into the US and EU have Conference 4 EVAR
20:00 thd Brooke: You are correct about the purposes of local conferences.
20:00 Brooke conversely, if you're a masochist, eyes wide open.
19:59 cait zagreb++ :)
19:59 Brooke if you hated hosting your local conference, you'd prolly loathe hosting KohaCon
19:59 Brooke that and practice for international
19:59 Brooke thd that's what local conferences are made for
19:59 cait paul_p++
19:59 thd It is perfectly reasonably for places with more interest in Koha to host more conferences.
19:58 slef paul_p: stop trying to disown us. We still love you, despite Sarkozy!
19:58 Brooke hooray :)
19:58 Brooke then
19:58 Brooke and no one else bids
19:58 Brooke but if we get a bid for Zagreb
19:58 thd We should not make rules about venue location which primarily result in poor attendance.
19:58 tajoli For Zagreb is Ok for 2013
19:58 Brooke I think shifting it builds interest
19:58 paul_p dpavlin, yes. But you know, UK is not really Europe :D :D :D
19:58 dpavlin but we should shift continents yearly, right?
19:58 slef Brooke: or video pitches.
19:57 thd paul_p++
19:57 tajoli Clearly
19:57 paul_p I think i would prefer KohaCon with many attendees in a continent where we already had one more than a new continent with only a few attendees...
19:57 thd Brooke++
19:57 Brooke because I don't want to disenfranchise folks that don't show to conference
19:57 dpavlin +2 seems totally resonable.
19:56 Brooke imo
19:56 Brooke if it's *at* KohaCon, it also has to be over IRC
19:56 slef I would love it if we could get it if people were starting to propose kohacon X+2 at kohacon X. Is that doable?
19:56 Brooke some Nigerians have mentioned it here and there, and way back there was rumour of SA
19:56 thd Brooke, which countries do you hear from in Africa?
19:55 tajoli I'm think of Venezuela. They don't speak abot a state version of Koha ?
19:55 jenkins_koha Starting build 67 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 2 mo. 0 j ago)
19:55 Brooke I hear a lot from Africa that they definitely want conference *sometime* but not _nexttime_
19:55 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to 3.04.07.000
19:55 jenkins_koha * f.demians: 3.4.7 Translation Update
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19:54 Brooke zeno would be nice but can't happen without folks stepping up
19:54 slef there was mail about it today... I knew I should have read it properly ;-)
19:54 tajoli In theory koha 2013 for Africa or Soth America
19:54 slef I think debconf is currently proposing for 2013?
19:53 schuster #info schuster - David Schuster Plano ISD.
19:53 thd I am all for mail-it-to-death contests
19:53 dpavlin We *might* propose Zagreb and our Univeristity librarary, but our fear is lack of commercial prospect in the region.
19:53 dpavlin DebConf usually have at least proposal on conferece, and then continues to mail-it-to-death for a year
19:53 * Brooke nods.
19:52 ibeardslee very handy for people to start the planning of travel etc
19:52 Brooke my Fraternity did it that way for 2 years out.
19:52 * Brooke nods
19:52 ibeardslee the LCA announce their next conference at the conference
19:52 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5604 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , additional icons for the Seshat set
19:52 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5604 : Follow up for missing image
19:52 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Jenkins complaining = fixing number of tests
19:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #558: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/558/
19:52 mglavica ops
19:51 Brooke personally, I think we should hold off on proposals until after Scotland; folks might be inspired to bid after the Conference that wouldn't before it
19:51 slef schuster: but I will be travelling a non-straightforward route anyway, and I enjoyed the road trip, so I keep it in mind as a possibility.
19:50 slef schuster: yes, there are fast trains from London King's Cross, sleepers from London Euston and cheap buses from London Victoria. This will be documented once we have dates.
19:50 Brooke #topic KohaCon2013
19:50 jcamins Whiskey included with your admission ticket, if you're over 18.
19:49 ibeardslee scotch museum+++
19:49 schuster When we went years ago it was fly into London, take train to Edinburgh - I recommend the scotch museum...:)
19:49 slef Not from me. Any questions?
19:49 wahanui it has been said that anything else is just piling mess on top
19:49 Brooke anything else?
19:48 slef But anyway, first we sort out the conf.
19:48 thd paul_p: flying direct to Edinburgh is more expensive from most places than direct to London.
19:48 slef I've no idea if that's doable in a day, but we can check. Update the wishlist wiki, please!
19:48 dpavlin Loch Ness++
19:48 slef paul_p: heh. yes.
19:48 jcamins paul_p: easy day trip.
19:47 paul_p is loch ness far from Edinburg ?
19:47 jcamins And beautiful.
19:47 slef paul_p: Edinburgh and Glasgow have some international air links, but London is a big hub.
19:47 jcamins dpavlin: Saint Andrews is easy.
19:47 dpavlin From last KohaConf, we will be half-exsausted by 4th day, something easy please :-)
19:47 * jwagner has been wanting to go to the Lake District for years
19:47 paul_p fishing trip++++++ !
19:47 jcamins slef: Saint Andrews!
19:47 * paul_p dreams of a day off in the country...
19:47 slef I think ideas we have had are a tour of Edinburgh and a fishing trip. But first we sort out the conf.
19:47 paul_p slef, fly to london ? why ? Isn't Edinburg a great place ?
19:47 Brooke <--- prolly not going though
19:46 Brooke road trip++
19:46 slef I'd also like any ideas for the day off, please; and if anyone might be interested in a road trip from any English cities (I guess many will fly into London?)
19:46 cait ;)
19:46 cait only 3 days hackfest?
19:45 slef paul_p: yes, exactly that! :)
19:45 slef #help please put into the wishlist ideas you want
19:45 paul_p with 1 day of between them ?
19:44 paul_p slef, how do you plan to have the conf: 3 days conf + 3 days hackfest ?
19:44 slef those of you who have seen pics/vids, hopefully can see why we think this is first choice
19:44 * thd thinks tents on the city green would be a fine backup venue.
19:44 Brooke anything else that's new or interesting to report?
19:44 slef thd: yes
19:43 thd slef: Do you have a backup venue?
19:43 Brooke cause it's probably cutting a real fine line with folks' budgeting cycles
19:43 Brooke k
19:43 slef Brooke: if it's not nailed down before Christmas, I think we switch to a backup venue.
19:42 slef But I don't want to tell people to buy travel until we're sure.
19:42 Brooke if it's not nailed down by next meeting, then what?
19:42 cait cool!
19:42 slef I'm 98% sure we'll be 5th-11th June 2012.
19:41 slef Yeah. I thought we had an agreement, but then what we were mailed diverged in some important ways, so round we go again.
19:41 cait so no dates yet?
19:41 paul_p slef, nego with who ?
19:41 Brooke time's a tickin
19:41 slef We're still negotiating the venue *sigh*
19:40 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12
19:40 chris_n lol
19:40 wizzyrea-lunch (sorry, gonna eat my arm off)
19:40 paul_p Brooke, I think so, but i'm still not clearly decided... will think of it and maybe drop a mail to koha-devel !
19:40 Brooke slef go!
19:40 chris_n opps
19:40 * chris_n thinks it is a matter of preference more than a matter of functionality
19:40 Brooke #topic KohaCon 2012
19:39 * Brooke not so secretly hopes so.
19:39 Brooke we talked out on this?
19:39 Brooke k
19:38 wizzyrea don't be
19:38 schuster got my answer thanks all - I even knew there was a meeting today. sorry
19:38 cait schuster: yes
19:38 rangi so just pick a convention, and stick with it is fine
19:37 rangi there will be the chance of double ups
19:37 rangi paul_p: so whatever number we use because we have 3 branches
19:37 wizzyrea :) all good :)
19:37 schuster oh sorry...
19:37 rangi schuster: we are in a meeting
19:37 wizzyrea schuster: meeting time
19:37 schuster question for your jquery folks - on the results page in opac can jquery change [electronic resource] to say [ebook title] so we wouldn't have to break cataloging rules and "redo" all of those MARC records?
19:37 rangi no, i think we are talking past each other and that the problem is not solvable by using different numbers
19:36 paul_p rangi, you mean that before releasing, you update all DB numbers in updatedatabase ?
19:36 * chris_n tends to lean toward the even/odd system too
19:35 paul_p maybe all this discussion will become useless with the new DB update system : we could have "patch applied" coming from the db update and "kohaversion" coming from kohaversion.pl !
19:35 Brooke #help patch kohaversion.pl to explain numbering
19:35 rangi and stable even
19:35 rangi so i still like master to run odd numbers so its obvious its dev
19:35 chris_n so we need to patch kohaversion.pl to explain correctly then
19:35 paul_p rangi, right
19:35 paul_p (and inconsistency is bad ;-) )
19:34 paul_p OK, but I feel it introduces a risk of inconsistency
19:34 rangi but if we number it 3.6.x we still have 3.4.x branch now, so it just shifts the problem
19:34 rangi and yup
19:34 paul_p (in this case, it's not -but it won't harm, the UPDATE will just make nothing-)
19:34 rangi unless its a big bug
19:34 rangi generally it works because you dont do updatedatabase on stable branches
19:33 rangi not nessecarily, some are checked
19:33 paul_p (that's what I've missed I feel)
19:33 paul_p ???
19:33 rangi no
19:33 rangi but not 3.6.x
19:33 paul_p SO, someone running 3.4.5 and upgrading to 3.6.0 will have 3.5.0.019 run
19:32 rangi yes
19:32 paul_p $DBversion = "3.05.00.019";
19:32 paul_p it's the same as in master
19:32 paul_p 4425 $DBversion = "3.04.05.001";
19:32 paul_p in 3.4 updatedatabase :
19:32 * chris_n thinks the arcane knowledge hidden there has been lost in the mists of koha history
19:32 rangi and no i might be running 3.2.x or 3.4.x
19:31 paul_p OK, I think i've my example...
19:31 rangi right so version numbers
19:31 cait chris_n: sorry, don't get it, perhaps later
19:31 mtj2 oops, s/is/if/
19:31 chris_n cait: see comments in kohaversion.pl
19:31 mtj2 ie: is 3.6.x is stable, then 3.x.x means you are running master?
19:31 cait dev...
19:31 cait dep portion of the version number?
19:30 rangi mtj2: 3.6.1 is 3.6.x branch
19:30 chris_n given the other way, it could look for an odd minor reve number
19:30 rangi no its not
19:30 chris_n given paul_p's current practice about.pl could look at the dev portion of the version number
19:30 cait you can download snapshots from git too - so no need for it to be a git install
19:30 mtj2 rangi: the next point release after stable is master?
19:30 chris_n well
19:29 huginn` chris_n: The operation succeeded. Quote #170 added.
19:29 chris_n @quote add <jcamins> A lot of people seem to have no idea what they're running.
19:29 rangi how could it possibly know otherwise
19:29 * paul_p digging into gitweb...
19:28 rangi if not by version number
19:28 rangi how
19:28 * Brooke nods.
19:28 mtj2 fiy: i think about.pl could be improved to detect/report a master install better
19:28 Brooke in the before time, there was no about page.
19:27 jcamins A lot of people seem to have no idea what they're running.
19:27 jcamins paul_p: I disagree too.
19:27 cait and: someone else installed it for me... I don't know what he did
19:27 cait paul_p: I think I have to disagree here - people do weird tihngs :)
19:26 paul_p cait, if someone run master, he usually know it ! and when master becomes stable, a new "fake" DBrev will be introduced to tell him "3.08.00.001"
19:26 * wizzyrea ponders the fact that koha is nothing if not consistent change ;)
19:26 cait I like change too - as long as it's consistent change :P
19:26 chris_n consistency++
19:25 cait nothing wrong with that :)
19:25 cait what he is running
19:25 wizzyrea we all know cait loves consistency
19:25 cait and being able to ask someone who shows upon irc
19:25 chris_n so long as we don't move backwards :-)
19:25 cait chris_n: for me part of it is consistency
19:25 paul_p cait, maybe
19:25 * chris_n thinks the bottom line is either way works so it is a matter of preference
19:25 cait perhaps looking at the updates for the last version will help to clear things up?
19:24 paul_p mmm, sorry, I don't have it
19:23 wizzyrea 3.2.x -> 3.4.0 directly.
19:23 rangi so would only get it once
19:23 rangi he wouldnt go 3.2.x to 3.3.x to 3.4.x
19:23 paul_p so there's something i'm still missing !
19:23 rangi no
19:23 rangi usually very few go on the stable one
19:23 paul_p so, when someone upgraded from a 3.2.x to 3.4.0, he got some update made twice ?
19:22 cait paul_p: yes, that's how it was
19:22 paul_p (2 different numbers I mean)
19:22 cait and easy to find out what someone is really running
19:22 paul_p so, does it mean a DB rev that is in both will have 2 numbers ?
19:22 * wizzyrea too
19:22 cait i liked it
19:22 chris_n however, we have been using odd numbers for development cycles and evens for stable
19:22 wizzyrea odd numbers = dev version
19:22 rangi chris_n pushed 3.2 and 3.4 ones
19:21 rangi i always pushed 3.3 and 3.5 to master
19:21 chris_n it only "believes" that because of the way the number is parsed by about.pl
19:21 paul_p cait, but for ppl running stable/3.6.x, it's OK
19:21 chris_n well
19:21 paul_p that's what rangi & chris_n told me, but I don't understand how/what it works
19:21 cait it's a bit confusing that my master installation believes to be a 3.6.2
19:20 cait but this can be discussed
19:20 wizzyrea well
19:20 cait I think we used to do it differently
19:20 paul_p Here is my question: the next stable release will be 3.6.2, it means patches with an updatedatabase I push those days should be numbered 3.06.02.xxx, isn't it ?
19:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6530 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, REOPENED , item due notice label saying 'unknown'
19:19 Brooke #topic DB Version Numbering Bug 6530
19:19 paul_p Brooke, I think so.
19:19 mtj2 rangi: cool, is that the same db that jenkins is running every test too?
19:19 wizzyrea great, thanks for talking that out peeps I feel a lot better.
19:19 Brooke yes?
19:19 Brooke now I think we can move to DB Version Numbering
19:19 Brooke okie dokie
19:18 rangi but thats how i did it
19:18 rangi i havent set up a new one in a while
19:18 paul_p ok, will check & try
19:18 rangi yup
19:18 paul_p rangi, the sample datas that are in installer/data/mysql/en/* ?
19:18 paul_p the sample datas that are in installer/data/mysql/en/* ?
19:18 wizzyrea ooo
19:17 jcamins dpavlin++
19:17 rangi paul_p: a db with all the sample data loaded in, should work
19:17 cait dpavlin++ for that and other useful documentation work!
19:17 chris_n dpavlin++
19:17 paul_p dpavlin++
19:17 wizzyrea dpavlin++
19:17 rangi any change you make to templates those are good to run, and are fast
19:17 dpavlin Thanks, keep hints comming, I will turn them into wiki page after meeting :-)
19:17 rangi are in xt/author/
19:17 rangi the important ones for templates images pod
19:16 paul_p db_dependant also requires to have a specific database (isn't it rangi ?)
19:16 jcamins dpavlin: prove t ; prove xt ; prove t/db_dependent
19:16 cait as rangi suggested
19:16 chris_n even that is worth the wait
19:16 cait or part of it
19:16 rangi dpavlin: there is the t/db_dependent suite too
19:16 cait paul_p: perhaps try to run them on your local machine again?
19:15 chris_n I think what dpavlin said is true here
19:15 chris_n no
19:15 paul_p not only, jenkins is here to do that. What I must improve is my reaction when jenkins complains
19:15 * dpavlin confused. prove t/ && prove xt/ takes 27+4 seconds for me. Am I missing something?
19:15 chris_n ?
19:15 chris_n so time trumps quality
19:15 slef #idea someone add the set-bugzilla-metadata-like-status to git bz before I get time
19:15 paul_p chris_n, how long it takes
19:14 chris_n paul_p: what is wrong with running the test suite before you push and rejecting patches which cause failures?
19:14 Brooke #idea use next gbsd for bugtesting training
19:14 * paul_p agrees for some training on next gbsd
19:14 cait explicitly in the announcement, perhaps with times
19:13 chris_n and we don't need a training session to do that
19:13 cait some training sessions?
19:13 wizzyrea *nod*
19:13 cait we could add that to the next gbsd perhaps?
19:13 paul_p (should be confirmed and announced loudly next week)
19:13 chris_n wizzyrea: we can keep jenkins happy if either QA or the RM will run the suite before every push
19:13 wizzyrea oh, we should take a gbsd and squash the bugs out of our qa process :P
19:13 cait in a group
19:13 cait to make more people interested and show them how to do things
19:13 paul_p it should be week 12 of 2012
19:13 cait that was the idea of gbsd
19:13 paul_p (like last year)
19:13 wizzyrea git bz is amazing
19:13 paul_p BibLibre will also organize a week of hackfestin march 2012
19:12 francharb one day i will write a "git-bz for the noob" post on biblibre blog! ;)
19:12 indradg Brooke++
19:12 Brooke #idea a bugtesting training session at some point in a release cycle to bring new folks in and put old folks on the same page
19:12 francharb thats true!
19:12 francharb ++
19:12 wizzyrea and we're not going to point and blame - we're going to just fix it already.
19:11 paul_p francharb was really pleased with what he learned at KohaCon11 !
19:11 wizzyrea if jenkins is unhappy, someone has not done their job.
19:11 thd Brooke++
19:11 paul_p Brooke, the idea of training session for bugtesting is great.
19:11 wizzyrea I think that we should strive to keep jenkins happy
19:11 chris_n running the suite is super simple too
19:10 Brooke hackfest is logical, but lots of folks don't make conference
19:10 wizzyrea what chris_n says
19:10 chris_n unless your screen breaks
19:10 Brooke or at least a moot about how folks test for qa
19:10 thd paul_p: I concede that for very small patches looking at the code is about the only useful thing to do.
19:10 chris_n yes, but if QA includes running the test suite, you won't miss those failures
19:10 Brooke and run a training session for bugtesting
19:10 Brooke we figure out when a logical downtime is
19:10 Brooke how about
19:10 Brooke so here's a thought
19:10 * wizzyrea too
19:10 cait paul_p: I miss things too, all the time
19:09 paul_p thd, right, and/but it really depends on how large the patch is and what kind of thing it impacts
19:09 thd s/works/works as intended/
19:09 rangi back
19:09 thd paul_p: OK. I usually find the other way round that testing the feature misleads people into believing that the code works.
19:08 paul_p and, when the signoff has been made by cait or wizzyrea or oleonard, i'm more comfortable than when it has been signed-off by someone I never saw before
19:08 slef it's not paranoia because they're all out to get you
19:08 slef trust no-one
19:08 paul_p thd, i'm not, I trust the author/signoff-er.
19:08 wizzyrea QA = look at the feature (possibly) and look at the code
19:07 chris_n which we don't do
19:07 thd paul_p: How can you be certain that the code did not mislead you into believing that the feature works?
19:07 paul_p (well 60% of the time, I also look at the feature. But with the *great* tests plan made by ppl like cait, it's often very easy !)
19:07 chris_n final QA is normally done during "alpha" and "beta" releases
19:07 slef I've failed at this myself. I will improve.
19:07 wizzyrea so signoff = working as intended from the UI
19:06 wizzyrea ^^ that is EXTREMELY helpful to know
19:06 paul_p wizzyrea, when I QA, I sometimes don't look at the feature. I look at the code itself.
19:06 wizzyrea thanks, that clears it up for me
19:06 cait I think
19:06 cait we all miss things, we can only try to document what we do
19:06 thd wizzyrea: What slef said a minimum and document the level of testing.
19:06 wizzyrea "was my testing bad?"
19:05 cait if he/she thinks something was missed
19:05 cait so someone else will know what was tested and can do more testing based on that
19:05 wizzyrea ok cool, I always felt guilty when one of my signoffs dies in QA
19:05 chris_n cait++
19:05 thd wizzyrea: Depends on the standard which QA has the time to test.
19:05 cait wizzyrea: I think important is to state what you have done in the patch or bug
19:05 slef wizzyrea: bare minimum, make sure the functionality works IMO. Ideally check formatting and run tests (and say that you have).
19:05 paul_p QA being "how the code is written"
19:04 chris_n then just watch the results
19:04 paul_p wizzyrea, make sure the feature works
19:04 chris_n mtj2: prove t && prove xt
19:04 wizzyrea run the tests?
19:04 paul_p mtate, right.
19:04 wizzyrea make sure the functionality works? check the code for formatting errors?
19:04 mtj2 if we can get better wiki-doc for devs running tests on their patches, we will all win - big time :)
19:04 wizzyrea which actually brings up another question for me - how far does the responsibility of the signoff person go?
19:04 Brooke folks, what's your pleasure? We all talked out?
19:04 Brooke not sure if we're exhausted on this
19:03 paul_p Brooke, next topic ?
19:03 wizzyrea chris_n++ i agree - and qa should run them (if the signoff doesn't say that they did)
19:02 rangi ok my bus stop bb soon
19:02 chris_n probably if a patch breaks a test it should be rejected
19:02 jransom im off folks - meetings to get to
19:02 rangi etc
19:02 * chris_n agrees that it is the dev's job to run tests and fix them
19:02 rangi the test things like are things transltable
19:02 jransom oops
19:02 paul_p (maybe not a question for the meeting...)
19:02 jransom yup
19:02 rangi xt are not functional
19:01 paul_p what's the diff between t and xt ?
19:01 rangi and my desktop has a lot more ram
19:01 wizzyrea keke
19:01 rangi plus its java :)
19:01 rangi and runs coverage tests too
19:01 Brooke making_koha_better++
19:01 Brooke #idea update documentation to reflect what different developers do
19:01 rangi it does a full makefile.pl
19:00 cait love that idea
19:00 paul_p (and just 20mn for you?)
19:00 cait rangi++
19:00 Brooke #idea teach people about the testing process
19:00 paul_p rangi, why does it take 1hour for jenkins ?
19:00 Brooke #idea harness test results
19:00 rangi takes about 20 mins on my desktop
19:00 dpavlin should we run tests under some kind of harness and collect results like CPAN does? This might prove very useful for tracking endge cases?
19:00 * oleonard wants to know more about git hooks
18:59 jcamins rangi++
18:59 jcamins rangi: oh, well, I still didn't think it took me an hour to run the tests.
18:59 rangi so git does it for u
18:59 wizzyrea 1. if a dev runs the tests -> qa won't find anything wrong
18:59 rangi I can show how to set git hooks
18:59 paul_p great !
18:59 rangi yep
18:59 rangi so ppl can add tests when the add functions too
18:59 paul_p rangi, test writing & test running ?
18:59 mtj2 and if you did run *some* of the tests, for your patch - then state that info in the bugzilla update, etc...
18:58 wizzyrea I think it ought to be at all stages, developers are responsible too
18:58 rangi I can run a test writing tutorial on irc
18:58 paul_p (in the QA comments)
18:58 paul_p that could/should be added to QA workflow, isn't it ?
18:58 wizzyrea you can always reference against jenkins
18:58 rangi if ppl want
18:58 sekjal any change to a C4 module requires that module to be tested (at least)
18:58 wizzyrea and if you don't know, run em all!
18:57 paul_p agreed
18:57 rangi yes but if you change members.pm run at least members.t
18:57 wizzyrea as step 1 in this process.
18:57 wizzyrea i am ok having a window on my test system running all of the tests.
18:57 paul_p wizzyrea/rangi= but you have to know which one are relevant !
18:57 rangi its on a biblibre one now
18:57 cait rangi++
18:57 wizzyrea (and say they did, if they did, then qa may not need to!)
18:56 * jcamins didn't find the tests took that long when he tried running them. I think Jenkins is on a VPS that doesn't have a lot of power because rangi donated it.
18:56 rangi u dont have to run all, but at least the relevant ones
18:56 cait that is <reply>
18:56 wizzyrea signoff should run the tests
18:56 wahanui cait: I forgot that
18:56 cait forget that
18:56 wizzyrea developer should run the test on their own work
18:56 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right
18:56 rangi or change a template, run those tests
18:56 wizzyrea well I think we should head those off
18:56 cait so perhaps it's a bit harder, but still not too hard
18:55 paul_p I think it's OK to have jenkins complaining, if we have a clear workflow like "if jenkins complains, if a patch is not provided in the next 7days, it will be reverted"
18:55 rangi if you change a module, u should at least run its test
18:55 cait not usre, I thought they were running faster last time I did
18:55 tcohen is there a guidelines section for writing testsunit ?
18:55 Brooke #help Add Documentation about Testing to the wiki
18:55 wizzyrea #action someone please add documentation to the developer/git pages on the wiki on "how to run tests"
18:55 paul_p rangi told me he ran 00.* before pushing anything.
18:54 paul_p cait, jenkins need more than 1 hours to run all the tests !
18:54 cait one line in a window, do something else in another ;)
18:54 cait prove
18:54 cait it's not that long
18:54 cait you can run them all
18:54 slef the developer failed to test, the signed-offer failed, QAM didn't flag it and RM didn't notice?
18:54 paul_p cait, it's easy to run the tests, but there are so many, you don't always know which one to run
18:54 drojf cait++
18:54 cait and if it breaks - either the tests are wrong or the feature - but both should be fixed.
18:53 tcohen cait++
18:53 slef well, yes, that's another aspect: why would such a thing be pushed?
18:53 cait it's easy to run the tests - we should add it to the development and qa workflows
18:53 wizzyrea right so that means that as developers we probably need to be more fastidious about running the unit tests on our work
18:53 paul_p cait++
18:53 cait fail qa
18:53 cait things that break unit tests should not go in
18:53 jransom (but dont want an 8 hour meeting either :)
18:52 cait I agree that we can't have unit tests and keep breaking them for weeks
18:52 tcohen are we using any mock libs for unit tests?
18:52 jransom QA practice is a critical issue
18:52 cait really
18:52 cait Brooke: I think we should talk about that here
18:51 paul_p i've pushed another fix to tests (boolean.t was wrong)
18:51 rangi will stop jenkins complaining
18:51 slef paul_p: I'd pick option 1.5 ;-) maybe slower than immediate revert if a fix is promised, but revert breakages faster than a week if possible, else it may block some testers
18:51 Brooke we could address them here every month, but that is how you get 8 hour meetings.
18:51 rangi patches on those
18:51 paul_p rangi++
18:51 Brooke or be ironed out on IRC while it's not the meeting
18:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5604 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , additional icons for the Seshat set
18:51 rangi and bug 5604
18:51 Brooke and come up again in a more condensed version
18:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
18:51 rangi bug 5327
18:51 Brooke get some sort of resolution
18:50 Brooke hopefully they'll go out to the list
18:50 * rangi spent a few hours yesterday doing that for others
18:50 joannR brooke: what will do with these parked 'granular' issues that do need addressing
18:50 Brooke #topic Pushing a Patch with a Jenkins complain
18:50 Brooke k moving on to what paul just mentioned
18:50 slef (a slightly more general aside: can any msg me how to get a complete mbox-like copy of sekjal's email so I can reply to it?)
18:50 rangi ppl should fix the stuff they broke
18:50 wizzyrea (good)
18:50 wizzyrea I think what he's doing now is just peachy
18:49 paul_p i've added it on the agenda: when jenkins complains, what should be do ?
18:49 paul_p i've another concern about QA/jenkins
18:49 Brooke or were we just seeking a clarification?
18:49 tajoli Chiris, on your mail about 3.4.7 you insert the line RELEASE NOTES FOR KOHA 3.6.2
18:49 Brooke what do we want to do about qa?
18:49 paul_p Brooke++
18:49 Brooke so
18:49 Brooke we're getting really granular again
18:48 paul_p 'morning rangi
18:48 Brooke morena
18:48 rangi morning
18:48 slef sekjal: I may have mistakenly discarded the thread you linked as a duplicate. Too many people still cross-post to koha and koha-devel and sometimes it confuses me.
18:47 sekjal slef: there were several concurrent threads on similar subjects; I may have misplaced your response. looking...
18:47 Brooke that's how things get ratified or rejected :P
18:47 wizzyrea aha
18:47 Brooke put it on the agenda
18:47 slef sekjal: I remember replying to the signed-off patches point. :-/
18:47 sekjal thanks, wizzyrea. I'd hoped so. I think what remains is for the community as a whole to ratify or reject them
18:46 * magnuse gotta catch a plane
18:46 wizzyrea sekjal: your rules are sane.
18:45 sekjal the only response on that thread was from paul_p
18:45 cait or what she said
18:45 cait like wizzyrea said
18:45 sekjal in the link I just posted, I laid out 6 rules for QA
18:45 wizzyrea well I guess I'll be happy with it if it's the approved process.
18:44 * slef notes his internet connection quality has gone through the floor :(
18:43 paul_p in the last days, I made some QA, but it was only for small/obvious patches, except the item_DUE one.
18:43 tajoli Personaly I think that same time RM=QA is OK. Fore example SQL file of no-english languages
18:43 sekjal #link http://www.mail-archive.com/koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org/msg02253.html
18:43 paul_p maybe I changed something, without knowing...
18:42 paul_p cait, that's a topic i've added (database version)
18:42 wizzyrea I agree with slef.
18:42 cait sorry, not trying to be annoying
18:42 slef I feel that RM should be reluctant to QA. If RM=QA then we've one less set of eyeballs. But sometimes it's necessary.
18:42 cait and it would not have hurt to push the first patch - and the updatedatabase later on
18:42 cait I was very surprised about the version numbering for this, so it's a good example perhaps anyway
18:42 paul_p and, for "large" patch, I won't QA myself, even if I could with our rules
18:41 cait and sorry for picking that - it was the fist I was thinking of
18:41 paul_p wizzyrea, 4 steps (provide patch / sign-off patch / QA / push), there must be at least 2 companies involved.
18:41 cait let me explain
18:40 cait yes
18:40 paul_p cait, would you have prefered a failed QA because the updatedatabase is missing ?
18:40 wizzyrea ok, I concede that you got a signoff external to biblibre, but the patch was originally biblibre, and didn't go through a non biblibre QA. I'm not trying to generate work, I'm just trying to understand the rules.
18:40 paul_p I have added a few follow-ups, but that was only comments or very minor things like that. Except for the item_DUE, that I tested before pushing.
18:40 cait but can find it
18:40 cait sorry, I have a problem with numbers
18:40 cait the updatedatebase to the 'unknown' problem for item_DUE
18:39 paul_p cait, do you have an example ?
18:39 dpavlin wizzyrea: I tend to belive RM with final decisions... What is your concern?
18:39 sekjal wizzyrea: signoff is by rangi
18:39 paul_p wizzyrea, I promize chris_c has not been hired by BibLibre yet ;-)
18:38 cait I am a bit more worried about untested follow ups
18:38 wizzyrea hmm, 4051 doesn't follow that paradigm.
18:38 cait should go on the wiki
18:38 cait if that's the agreed set of rules
18:38 paul_p and I try to do that on small patches.
18:38 paul_p I just don't do that for a patch made by BibLibre and signed-off by BibLibre too
18:38 sekjal as the RM
18:38 sekjal provided that the author/signer are not from the same company
18:38 wizzyrea I see.
18:37 sekjal wizzyrea: the current set of QA rules we're operating under allow the RM to jump straight from a "Signed Off" to a "Pushed"
18:37 paul_p wizzyrea, yes, that is.
18:37 wizzyrea but, that's not the agreed situation?
18:37 paul_p (and pushed)
18:37 slef oof sorry folks I just fell offline
18:37 paul_p wizzyrea, they haven't skipped the QA test, it's just that I made the QA.
18:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4051 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , add columns to overdues export
18:36 wizzyrea I have a concern about patches that are skipping the QA step - I've seen a couple now, bug 4051, for example doesn't seem to have had a going over by one of the designated qa folks.
18:36 huginn` slef: I've exhausted my database of quotes
18:36 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables
18:36 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master
18:36 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements
18:36 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6915 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gbarniskis, ASSIGNED , koha_perl_deps.pl truncates long module names at 26 chars
18:36 paul_p (ok, will cc you, of course)
18:36 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7170 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Remove use of XML::Simple
18:36 mtj2 zAngG!
18:36 slef huginn`: hello?
18:36 slef @query yaml config
18:36 slef what bug is yaml-for-config?
18:36 slef paul_p: do you mean to #info not *?
18:36 paul_p multiple_nicks-- ;-)
18:36 bag yup that bg :)
18:36 wahanui I LOVE BASEBALL AND BREAKFAST BURRITOS
18:36 mtj2 bg?
18:35 bag bag = brendan arthur gallagher
18:35 bag bag = brendan :)
18:35 tcohen let us know, we're concerned about that as it is holding a university fromr migrating
18:35 paul_p bag ? (who are you ?) -sorry, I missed the beginning)
18:35 bag hey paul_p please cc me
18:35 sekjal paul_p: most excellent
18:35 paul_p sekjal, i'll drop you a mail tomorrow about that, I want to participate ;-)
18:35 bag yes
18:34 paul_p I almost forget: bywater & catalyst are working on Plack/mod_perl
18:34 sekjal s/het/yet/
18:34 sekjal tcohen: several ByWater partners have expressed concern over it, but we don't have a finalized plan of attack het
18:33 paul_p this month, speed
18:33 tcohen ?
18:33 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6802 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , with IndependantBranches on can still edit items
18:33 tcohen ¡
18:33 tcohen is anyone working on Bug 6802
18:33 paul_p I plan to focus on one thing each month.
18:33 Brooke #info paul's pushed a bunch of patches
18:33 paul_p that's probably the main thing i'll focus on in december !
18:33 paul_p * i've started a page with benchmarking on the wiki
18:33 paul_p * Ian submitted a patch to play with yaml file for config. I'll test it tomorrow I think
18:32 wizzyrea improving_performance++
18:32 magnuse improving_performance++
18:32 paul_p * BibLibre has a patch that should hit bugzilla soon that improve by 1 second every search !
18:32 paul_p * the "de-nesting C4 package" should also be tested
18:32 jenkins_koha Starting build 66 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 2 mo. 0 j ago)
18:32 wizzyrea argle.
18:32 paul_p * i've pushed some patches
18:31 paul_p very fresh news: there are a lot of things made on the performance side.
18:31 jenkins_koha chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.04.07.000 07 Dec 2011 16:48:02 Z
18:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #65: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 27 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/65/
18:31 paul_p if you think there's something I should speak of in everymail, don't hesitate to tell me
18:31 thd +1 for more mail
18:31 dpavlin yes
18:31 davidnind yes
18:31 marijana +1
18:31 magnuse paul_p: yes
18:31 wizzyrea please
18:31 paul_p OK, so I'll continue this way.
18:31 slef 0
18:31 cait +1 for monthly mails
18:31 jcamins +1
18:31 wizzyrea thd: take it to the list
18:30 drojf yes
18:30 Irma me too yes
18:30 thd How do libraries cope without the feature?
18:30 wizzyrea :)
18:30 tajoli For me yes
18:30 chris_n yes
18:30 wizzyrea yep :
18:30 Brooke yes
18:30 paul_p 1st a question: do ppl think a monthly mail from me is a good thing ?
18:30 thd The feature even if long broken is not new and is certainly necessary.
18:30 slef paul_p: can you include an outline of the API change in the mail please?
18:30 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work
18:30 chris_n #info bug 6328 is on hold for 3.6.x pending list responses
18:29 paul_p OK, 3.8 now
18:29 cait that's why there is some concern
18:29 paul_p OK, will do.
18:29 chris_n paul_p: go ahead
18:29 cait and it changes the API and the interface
18:29 jcamins moving_on++
18:29 Brooke paul roadmap to 3.8 svp
18:29 cait thd: the problem is, it never worked since 3.2
18:29 paul_p chris_n, you do, or I do ? (the mail)
18:29 Brooke so
18:29 Brooke this is way too granular for the meeting
18:29 thd Fixing a bug in a completely broken feature which is a use blocker might need some way of getting into stable.
18:28 Brooke yes
18:28 paul_p fair. Do we drop a mail on koha ML ?
18:28 chris_n before making a decision
18:28 jransom charging money
18:28 chris_n I'd like to hear from others on this
18:28 slef jransom: by charging them money or by banning a borrower for N days?
18:28 paul_p sekjal, if it's clearly announced in the release notes, I think it's not a so big change.
18:27 sekjal I think it's a great improvement, but I can see a library getting upset because something like this changes on them in the middle of a stable release
18:27 jransom we use finesin nz
18:27 tajoli #info Zeno Tajoli, CILEA (Italy)
18:27 sekjal it changes how debarred works in general
18:26 sekjal chris_n: yes. this doesn't just change how fine in days works
18:26 tajoli No one use money
18:26 jcamins tajoli: don't forget to introduce yourself with #info
18:26 chris_n sekjal: is this related to your earlier question of workflow?
18:26 tajoli in Italy ALL library in practies use fine in days
18:26 slef I think it probably should be fixed in 3.6.x if not too disruptive
18:26 tajoli yes, I confirm
18:26 paul_p (we're just discussing of this)
18:25 paul_p tajoli, hello ! could you confirm to chris_n that fines in days is something important for you too !
18:25 chris_n if there is a fair amount of concern about introducing fine-days fixes into 3.6.x, please let me know
18:25 cait perhaps we could get a second sign-off? for 3.6 and a documentation?
18:25 paul_p well... 60%. 39% doing no fines at all, and 1% fines in €
18:25 paul_p as, 99% of french libraries use fines in days
18:24 paul_p chris_n, for all french libraries, and most Spanish / italian libraries it is !
18:24 chris_n I have to had time to update the bug
18:24 chris_n or would not for me this morning
18:24 chris_n paul_p: it does not
18:24 chris_n is there a large amount of concern about introducing fine-days fixes into 3.6?
18:23 paul_p Brooke, you're right. but chris_n, please let me know if 6328 does not apply, because it's a BLO for us !
18:23 Brooke how bout we say that if there's a question, Paul and Chris will have a cage match
18:23 Brooke rather than discuss every little bug
18:23 chris_n seems so wahanui
18:23 wahanui i guess fines in days is debatable imho
18:23 cait fines in days?
18:23 chris_n paul_p: its not in 3.6.x atm, and would not apply cleanly
18:22 cait ok
18:22 Brooke if ye send it to the listserv, someone will pick it up most likely
18:22 cait it is the place, but once a month there is a meeting
18:22 paul_p chris_n, 6328
18:22 jwagner It's the place, just not the time
18:22 jcamins mib_9y99lh: no, it is. You just came at a bad time.
18:22 paul_p chris_n, 632_
18:22 Brooke it is just not right now ;)
18:21 mib_9y99lh I didn't realize this was not the place to ask questions. My bad.
18:21 chris_n paul_p: whats the bug number?
18:21 jwagner mib_9y99lh, there is a meeting going on -- check to make sure the process_message_queue.pl cron job is running
18:21 jcamins mib_9y99lh: there is a meeting going on right now, so you may have more luck in an hour.
18:21 oleonard Sorry mib_9y99lh, we are having a meeting at the moment
18:21 chris_n paul_p: I'll look
18:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5211 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking lost (long overdue) not charging fines
18:21 sekjal the followup for bug 5211 is a small example thereof
18:21 paul_p chris_n, on 3.6 ? really ?
18:20 sekjal a good plumbing-level-only change could be done without changing any outward appearance
18:20 mib_9y99lh Question - I have the system set up to send emails to patrons about everything, yet it never sends emails, the status is always "pending". Could there possibly be something I haven't clicked? I feel like I've checked every box known to man.
18:20 chris_n it does not apply cleanly atm
18:20 paul_p chris_n, finedays
18:20 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
18:20 chris_n paul_p: it?
18:19 Brooke thd Koha is srs buisnass ;)
18:19 paul_p chris_n, was it in 3.6.1 ? (I think no)
18:19 chris_n :)
18:19 paul_p cait, right. and that's what we were/are supposed to do.
18:19 thd chris_n: sorry, my question was meant with more humour than seriousness :)
18:19 cait in the release notes
18:19 cait a short warning to libraries updating might be good at least
18:19 chris_n thd: in reality they would not
18:19 cait with dates and notes
18:19 cait paul_p: the problem I see is the change for the debar handling
18:18 chris_n thd: for example?
18:18 paul_p even if fixing the problem means changing (a little bit) the workflow
18:18 thd chris_n: Does that mean that complete code rewrites which do not introduce new features will be allowed in 3.6?
18:17 paul_p chris_n, (one of ) the issue is that it's a bug, not an ENH
18:17 chris_n not enh
18:17 chris_n its critical as marked
18:17 chris_n I think fine-days is the issue here
18:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places
18:17 sekjal but, say, the changes to handling Lost items as laid out in bug 5533 would NOT be backported
18:17 chris_n but some of this is open to discussion
18:17 paul_p and I agree with that
18:16 chris_n I think very minor changes are probably acceptable
18:16 chris_n sekjal: I would define that more as "significantly" changes workflow
18:16 paul_p for everybody = it means that an improvement to an existing feature, even if it's ENH, will be applied to 3.6
18:16 chris_n the only real exception is things which are clearly too big to safely move back
18:16 sekjal chris_n: would it be fair to say that anything that changes a workflow would be a considered a feature?
18:15 chris_n a feature is something currently non-existent in 3.6
18:15 chris_n all else goes in 3.6
18:15 chris_n new features go in 3.8
18:14 paul_p I think it's clear for me, but maybe not for everybody
18:14 paul_p (before going to 3.8)
18:14 paul_p chris_n, could you explain again your strategy to decide what should be in 3.6 and what will stay for 3.8
18:14 Brooke take it away Paul
18:14 Brooke #topic Roadmap for 3.8
18:14 chris_n and that's it for 3.6
18:14 paul_p chris_n, I know, but there should be only 4 problems now. And only 2 in fact, as that's problems declared twice
18:13 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
18:13 dpavlin chris_n++
18:13 chris_n paul_p: looks like we're still unstable :(
18:13 jcamins chris_n++
18:13 mtj2 yep, chris' script is just awesome
18:13 wizzyrea chris_n++
18:13 cait nice
18:12 chris_n so that should keep all of you folks in the know about what's to be in the next release
18:12 Brooke he's cunning
18:12 wizzyrea ^^ awesome
18:12 chris_n I have a script which is doing pretty much automated release notes each time I push to 3.6.x
18:12 paul_p build 558 should confirm that.
18:12 paul_p chris_n, pushed 1 hour ago 2 more patches that should please jenkins
18:12 chris_n 3.6.2 will release on 22 Dec
18:11 * Brooke was deathly afraid of getting caught in a motorcade.
18:11 chris_n 3.6 is on target
18:11 Brooke no problem
18:11 paul_p sorry to be a little bit late !
18:11 paul_p #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, RM for 3.8
18:11 chris_n it appears jenkins wanted to say a few things 3.6 related :)
18:11 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
18:11 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6
18:11 jenkins_koha slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'shut'
18:11 slef jenkins_koha: shut up
18:11 cait heh
18:11 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help!
18:11 jenkins_koha slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'mute'
18:11 slef jenkins_koha: mute
18:11 sekjal thanks, jenkins_koha. quite timely
18:10 jenkins_koha Starting build 558 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 19 j ago)
18:10 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 07 Dec 2011 16:41:07 Z
18:10 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: t/UploadedFile, updated comment
18:10 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: 160th developer + 2 events added (NZ tm and 3.6.1 released)
18:10 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327: Fixing the Members.t test
18:10 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fixing unit test for SQLHelper.pm
18:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
18:10 Brooke awesome, if you do that for us, I don't think we'll complain. thanks a heap for the effort. :)
18:10 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Complete coverage for BackgroundJob.pm
18:10 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Adding more unit tests
18:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox
18:10 jenkins_koha * chrish: Bug 5327: Unit tests for C4/Exteral/BakerTaylor.pm
18:10 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: history.txt, adding Stéphane Delaune, as 117, moving others and welcome Albert, you're 163th !
18:10 druthb1 #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions (sorry for the late hit)
18:10 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: fix test xml records
18:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6971 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order
18:10 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Test suite: ignoring backups from vi (files ending with a ~)
18:10 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 6291 - Cart printing truncated in Firefox
18:10 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 6971: XSLT Intranet Detail displays 245 subfields out of order
18:10 jenkins_koha * ago: Bug 6971: XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order.
18:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #16: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 26 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/16/
18:10 chris_n that's all from me
18:10 Brooke anything else vaguely 3.4 related?
18:10 chris_n the plan is to continue releases until applicable patches/commits slow to a trickle
18:09 chris_n #info 3.4.7 is released
18:09 Brooke chris_n++ indeed
18:09 cait chris_n++
18:08 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.4
18:08 chris_n and in the wild
18:08 Brooke hooray
18:08 chris_n 3.4.7 is released
18:08 Brooke anyone have any earth shattering announcements?
18:07 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions
18:07 * chris_n grumbles about FF crashing
18:07 slef jransom: nice.
18:07 Brooke #topic Announcements
18:07 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_7_December_2011
18:06 wizzyrea (fab tab)
18:06 jransom asus android epad touchscreen thingee
18:06 sekjal #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, Koha 3.8 QAM
18:06 Brooke Haere Mai let's get this show on the road
18:06 slef (what's a transgformer?)
18:06 slef joannR: copy-paste one?
18:05 trea #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions, USA
18:05 joannR (can't find hash key yet on my transgformer keyboard - so yeah, thanks0
18:04 * slef hands jransom an #info
18:04 marijana #info Marijana Glavica, Croatia
18:04 dpavlin #info Dobrica Pavlinusic, FFZG, Zagreb, Croatia
18:04 jransom joann ransom hlt NZ
18:04 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Norfolk, England
18:04 indradg #info Indranil Das Gupta, Kolkata, India
18:03 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
18:03 chris_n #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC
18:03 mtj2 #info mason.james, nz
18:03 Irma #info Irma Birchall, CALYX
18:03 drojf #info mirko tietgen, humboldt-universität zu berlin, germany
18:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
18:03 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
18:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:03 jcamins #info jcamins - Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC
18:02 wizzyrea #info wizzyrea - Liz Rea - NEKLS
18:02 Brooke Welcome, welcome, please introduce yourself using #info
18:02 Brooke #topic Introductions
18:02 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
18:02 huginn` Meeting started Wed Dec 7 18:00:09 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:02 Brooke #startmeeting
18:02 Irma hi all
18:02 jransom learn me for trying to ge in here from home - downside of living at the beach (crap connectivity)
18:02 Brooke if Irma and Jo don't disapparate, then yes.
18:01 thd Brooke: does jiggling cables help? :)
18:01 trea k thx
18:01 Brooke howdy
18:01 slef hi all
18:01 * Brooke jiggles the cable for pasifika
18:00 jwagner trea, I think that is correct
17:59 cait trea: sorry, never used that script :(
17:58 trea longoverdue.pl rather
17:58 trea hi jransom
17:58 trea the --charge param in longover.pl need the lost value yes? so if your authval for lost is 2, it should be --charge=2?
17:57 jransom phew
17:57 jransom yay
17:57 wahanui hey, jransom
17:57 jransom hello
17:57 wizzyrea :D
17:56 wizzyrea someone get the duct tape for jo
17:56 wizzyrea well it's feeling a bit more cared for these days :)
17:56 cait wizzyrea: still needs a lot of love - thx for testing :)
17:55 wizzyrea oleonard++ kf++ i like all that you've done in acquisitions.
17:54 wizzyrea mornin jo
17:54 Brooke morena
17:54 jransom morena
17:50 wizzyrea I was really more imagining birth but ringing in the new year is less messy.
17:50 jcamins chris_n: only better.
17:49 chris_n wizzyrea: sorta like ringing in the new year?
17:49 jcamins (i.e., no feature changes, just bug fixes?)
17:49 jcamins Wouldn't that be the same as -STABLE?
17:49 jcamins BTW, was anyone else confused by the suggestion that Koha needs LTS releases every six months?
17:48 * wizzyrea watches 3.4.7 slide into the world
17:48 thd hurray
17:48 chris_n and here comes 3.4.7
17:47 thd hello cait
17:47 cait hi thd :)
17:46 cait trea: sounds right
17:46 sekjal trea: yes, --confirm flag is required to do that script "for reals"
17:44 jcamins trea: I believe so.
17:43 trea i'm running a longoverdue.pl and it's output is listed as "TEST MODE - NO ACTION TAKEN" - do i have to run it with a --confirm flag in order to make it actually apply those values?
17:42 Brooke wb
17:42 cait back :)
17:41 * jcamins manages to connect.
17:38 Brooke might I suggest the Caoineadh Airt UÃ Laoghaire?
17:36 Brooke Let this be a lesson: keep the treehouse stocked!
17:36 Brooke Clearly royt ran out of liquor.
17:35 jcamins OCLC just went kaflooey.
17:35 * jcamins begins keening, as, he is sure, hundreds of other catalogers are doing throughought North America.
17:34 NateC Hi!
17:34 Brooke hey nate
17:32 Brooke o/
17:29 Oak me go now. night.
17:25 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5543] Date ISO format wrong separator <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5543>
17:22 jcamins rafa_saad: because there isn't any other data that should logically come from authority records, I'd think.
17:21 rafa_saad 'cause if koha can fill 100d, 100e, etc, with data that cames from authorities, why it cannot fill other fields?
17:20 rafa_saad I'm thinking on in
17:17 jcamins rafa_saad: you could conceivably write a script to do it, though I'm not clear how you could get DDC numbers out of author authority records.
17:17 rafa_saad lol
17:16 jcamins rafa_saad: not using Koha.
17:15 rafa_saad I would like to fill 100a with author name and automatic fill 082 with classification data
17:15 rafa_saad Hi all... Please, somebody can tell me if its possible to fill 082 field (Marc21) with data that cames from authorities?
17:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5604' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0234dd9b9649063acf2617fecf5c6efda38a532> / Bug 5604 : Follow up for missing image <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e615516952fc77f27f1dac02573879a61d9f1ed7> / Jenkins complaining = fixing number of tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e06f3ee0
17:12 kf bye paul_p
17:12 Oak see ya paul_p
17:12 Oak it's some quote... :)
17:11 paul_p i must come back home now. see you in 1 hours !
17:11 Oak where minutes are kept, and hours lost
17:11 Oak ugh, meetings
17:11 Oak :)
17:11 kf or I am stuck here for the meeting
17:11 kf Oak: you are right
17:04 jenkins_koha Starting build 65 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 1 mo. 29 j ago)
17:04 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: t/UploadedFile, updated comment
17:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
17:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327: Fixing the Members.t test
17:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fixing unit test for SQLHelper.pm
17:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Complete coverage for BackgroundJob.pm
17:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox
17:04 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Adding more unit tests
17:04 jenkins_koha * chrish: Bug 5327: Unit tests for C4/Exteral/BakerTaylor.pm
17:04 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: fix test xml records
17:04 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 6291 - Cart printing truncated in Firefox
17:04 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Revert "Fix for Bug 6291, Cart printing truncated in Firefox"
17:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #557: STILL UNSTABLE in 59 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/557/
16:54 Oak kf, time to go home. no?
16:53 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7093] Placeholders for suggestion table in suggestion related mails broken <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7093>
16:45 chris_n garlic+olive oil+hot skillet = good eating
16:44 jenkins_koha Starting build 16 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
16:44 chris_n well, lest see if Jenkins is happier today
16:43 jcamins It's finally cool enough to have the oven on for a few hours.
16:42 * jcamins needs to roast some garlic.
16:42 wizzyrea ooo garlic in pizza dough is good stuff.
16:42 wizzyrea just, a bit odd to have a lovely oatmeal cookie with a hint of garlic
16:42 jcamins It was a brilliant innovation.
16:42 chris_n probably better for your heart at any rate
16:42 wizzyrea surprisingly enough, it wasn't awful.
16:42 * jcamins has started adding garlic powder to the dough for his calzones.
16:41 chris_n HA
16:41 wizzyrea it was an experience!
16:41 jcamins chris_n: you mean someone eats all the dough before the oven has finished preheating?
16:41 * wizzyrea remembers the time she made the curry cookies - and used curry powder that contained garlic
16:41 chris_n wizzyrea: well... batch operations like "batch of cookies" seem to go smoothly most of the time ;-)
16:41 wizzyrea and batch delete.
16:41 wizzyrea it's quite good.
16:41 wizzyrea I'm actually quite fond of the batch item edit tool
16:40 * oleonard is still wary of the batch edit tool for no particular reason
16:40 wizzyrea I"m able to screw things up at lightning speed!
16:40 jcamins wizzyrea: if I'm going to make 50 errors, I'd rather do it all at once. :P
16:40 wizzyrea whee!
16:40 jcamins wizzyrea: but think of the time it saves!
16:39 * wizzyrea doesn't really care so much about it - batch operations often lead to batch error making.
16:39 wizzyrea or <pick your proprietary ILS>
16:38 wizzyrea Probably because "sirsi did it"
16:38 wizzyrea I don't think I'm going to advocate for adding it.
16:38 oleonard And you'd want that because it's faster?
16:38 wizzyrea that you ahve to deal with one by one
16:38 wizzyrea but of course there's holds and nonsense.
16:37 wizzyrea like the labels interface? scan a bunch of barcodes and it receives them all to the library?
16:37 wizzyrea jcamins: naw, yours ;)
16:37 oleonard How would batch receiving transfers work wizzyrea ?
16:37 jcamins wizzyrea: your loss.
16:37 wizzyrea ;)
16:36 * wizzyrea doesn't generally worry about cataloging. so there's that.
16:36 * wizzyrea snorts
16:36 * jcamins doesn't generally worry about transfers. Or circ, for that matter.
16:36 wizzyrea (but that would be neat)
16:36 wizzyrea I'm going to go with "no"
16:36 wizzyrea lol I see that you have the same doubt that I do
16:35 jcamins wizzyrea: not to my knowledge, but, maybe?
16:34 chris_n people seem to confuse "template" with "skin"
16:34 * chris_n thinks "template" is a bit of a misnomer in this context
16:33 wizzyrea (I didn't think so but... koha's a moving target ;))
16:33 wizzyrea batch receiving transfers - possible?
16:32 jcamins Teachable moment! "Don't customize your templates."
16:32 wahanui jcamins: what?
16:32 jcamins wahanui: correctly said, at that.
16:30 wahanui it has been said that gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
16:30 chris_n heya gmcharlt
16:28 * jcamins tries to think of the term that describes the overly ornate typefaces of the late nineteenth century.
16:26 jcamins oleonard: you betcha.
16:26 gmcharlt *snort*
16:25 * oleonard is sure the submitter is going to get right on it any time now
16:25 * jcamins thinks it could probably be closed.
16:24 jcamins Do I have to spread it out for you in a nutshell? ;)
16:24 oleonard :P
16:24 jcamins Bib response services and URL recipes.
16:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe
16:23 oleonard What the heck is bug 2714 about?
16:22 kf ask him :)
16:22 kf jcamins: not sure he already did
16:20 wizzyrea :P
16:20 wizzyrea it's motivating.
16:20 * wizzyrea is ok getting whines
16:20 jcamins I'm sure Master's broken.
16:20 jcamins kf: but didn't rangi say he was enabling it on Master?
16:19 kf and only for 3.6 right now
16:19 kf your patch gets in
16:19 kf at the time
16:19 kf only when tests are broken
16:19 kf no :)
16:18 jcamins kf: but whenever I get a patch in, jenkins whines at me, doesn't he?
16:18 jcamins kf: no, I didn't.
16:17 wizzyrea and how goes the bug squashing
16:17 wizzyrea hello!
16:17 kf :)
16:17 kf hi wizzyrea
16:13 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
16:12 wizzyrea good morning
16:12 kf jcamins: did you break tests?
16:08 reiveune1 bye
16:05 jcamins Am I now going to get complaints from Jenkins because of that patch?
16:04 jenkins_koha Starting build 557 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 19 j ago)
16:04 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6971 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order
16:04 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Test suite: ignoring backups from vi (files ending with a ~)
16:04 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: history.txt, adding Stéphane Delaune, as 117, moving others and welcome Albert, you're 163th !
16:04 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 6971: XSLT Intranet Detail displays 245 subfields out of order
16:04 jenkins_koha * ago: Bug 6971: XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order.
16:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #556: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/556/
16:02 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7330] System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7330>
15:52 kf good plan!
15:52 * chris_n goes back to scaring bugs out of his auto-cherry-pick script
15:51 kf oh
15:51 oleonard ^^
15:51 * chris_n was thinking we might get more good work done with multiples of kf :)
15:51 jcamins Scary *awesome*!
15:51 kf chris_n: multiple kf's would be scary :)
15:51 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e486be5920c0339c69e0a7eeaed6e4554b38565> / t/UploadedFile, updated comment <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffb544e8e4a202705c330f0026453cecebe08c71> / Bug 5327: Fixing the Members.t test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=94e1691a74b4698e88781381
15:50 jcamins chris_n: bah! Context refers to which memory page one is on, not syntactic sugar. :P
15:49 chris_n or perhaps we should say "list context" since "array" seems to be out of vogue in some perl books, etc.
15:48 chris_n s/to/top/
15:47 chris_n pop/push work off of the bottom
15:47 jcamins Boy. SLA really wants me to renew.
15:47 chris_n unshift and shift work off of the to of the array
15:47 kf no idea :)
15:47 kf1 lol
15:47 wahanui i guess kf1 is the official explicator of Perl syntax.
15:47 jcamins kf1?
15:47 kf1 hm?
15:47 jcamins kf1 is the official explicator of Perl syntax.
15:46 * chris_n wonders if there are multiple kf's now :-)
15:46 kf1 http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/shift.html
15:46 kf1 shift
15:46 kf1 Shifts the first value of the array off and returns it,
15:46 jcamins Whoops, in that case I meant shift.
15:46 kf1 adds one actually it seems
15:46 jcamins Or that I made it up entirely.
15:46 oleonard I've see unshift used in that context jcamins
15:45 jcamins It is completely possible that I actually meant pop @_.
15:45 kf1 http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/unshift.html
15:45 jcamins oleonard: I *think* it pulls the left-most item from an array.
15:45 kf1 deletes first or last entry I think
15:45 kf1 hm
15:44 * oleonard doesn't actually know what unshift @_ does
15:44 jcamins_away oleonard: (unshift @_) || 'default'?
15:18 sekjal oleonard++
15:14 jenkins_koha Starting build 556 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 19 j ago)
15:08 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7259] Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7259>
15:08 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6971' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bedb9bef4c93e35c69582503b97eba3cb76b3242> / Test suite: ignoring backups from vi (files ending with a ~) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=13f29dd7f36137a77695af6c6eb3032ec72d9ae2> / history.txt, adding Stéphane Delaune, as 117, moving others and welcome Albert, you... <http://
15:00 * Oak goes to annoy someone
14:59 Oak kia ora #koha
14:55 sekjal that whole module isn't really documented much at all...
14:53 oleonard And of course you're right that documentation would be good too
14:52 oleonard sekjal++
14:49 sekjal checked defined $param instead?
14:49 oleonard No, that won't let you pass 0
14:49 kf1 marcelr++ sekjal++ :)
14:49 kf1 qa_team++
14:48 oleonard my $status = ($param ? $param : 1);
14:48 oleonard my ($param) = @_;
14:48 sekjal as required
14:48 sekjal alternative: write the documentation on the subroutine, and explicitly define the status input param
14:47 sekjal boo
14:46 oleonard That seems to set 1 no matter what
14:41 sekjal you may be able to do ($status) = @_ || (1);
14:40 * oleonard didn't know if there was a shortcut, or if it just means checking for an empty value
14:40 sekjal lots of different ways to do it, not sure if any is better than another
14:39 * oleonard knows the PHP way but not the Perl way
14:39 oleonard Is there a preferred way of setting a default value for a subroutine?
14:38 wahanui oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
14:38 sekjal hey, oleonard
14:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7259 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages
14:38 oleonard Hi sekjal, I have a question about your comments on Bug 7259
14:34 jwagner Use of uninitialized value $text in pattern match (m//) at /home/k32/kohaclone/admin/preferences.pl line 252., referer: http://k32-staff.jw.ptfsinc.com/cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl
14:34 oleonard Thanks for checking
14:34 jwagner One search in sysprefs generates 8 similar entries
14:34 oleonard Hm, so perhaps a quirk of a long-updated database?
14:33 talljoy I don't see it.
14:33 jwagner oleonard, I see the same thing
14:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7330 minor, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search
14:28 oleonard As a sanity check, can anyone else confirm Bug 7330?
14:21 oleonard Thanks guys, you're great!
14:21 BoredDev Hey, I think I'll code that for you!
14:21 talljoy heh
14:21 YesMan Wow oleonard that's a great idea!
14:18 oleonard I wonder if those who cannot set permissions in the staff client should be able to *view* permissions instead.
14:12 JesseM :)
14:12 JesseM can't wait
14:12 JesseM supposed to snow in CT tomorrow!!
14:11 talljoy watch out JesseM, this TX weather is headed your way.
14:11 huginn` JesseM: The current temperature in Brewer Stratford Marina, Stratford, Connecticut is 13.2�C (9:09 AM EST on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising).
14:11 JesseM @wunder 06614
14:10 talljoy Texas shouldn't be this cold. it's not right.
14:10 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 5.0�C (9:00 AM EST on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Rising).
14:10 oleonard @wunder 45701
14:10 oleonard Wow, cold!
14:09 huginn` talljoy: The current temperature in HADS WEST FORK TRINITY RIVER AT FORT TX US, Fort Worth, Texas is -3.9�C (7:15 AM CST on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa.
14:09 talljoy @wunder 76101
13:24 oleonard What's up, Squash Squad?
11:43 kf we only have to avoid the same number doing different things then
11:43 kf ok
11:32 chris_n either way, there will be no collisions since the "development" segment of the ver number is being incremented :)
11:30 kf so I was asking about it
11:30 kf and I think we used the uneven numbers for database updates on master before
11:30 kf I know my master system is pretending to be 3.6.2 - and that worries me
11:29 kf now I am very confused
11:29 chris_n well, no need for 3.7 if you use the nominclature 3.6.2.x
11:29 kf I think
11:29 kf because the will collide?
11:29 kf and that made me worry
11:29 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=b5f96ef8fd09f6959a3afdc34203606a0dfc5f8f;hb=HEAD
11:29 kf and I thought it shoudl be 3.7
11:29 chris_n where
11:28 chris_n ?
11:28 kf there is a 3.06.02 in master
11:28 chris_n or have been doing at least
11:28 kf that was not my question
11:28 kf ah
11:28 chris_n there is disparity between what we do and what we say in the comments
11:28 kf oh
11:28 chris_n see the comments in kohaversion.pl for the reasoning behind that
11:28 kf hm?
11:27 chris_n kf: kohaversion is 3.06.02.001 rather than 3.6.2
11:25 kf paul_p: hi paul
11:18 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7329] The "undo import into catalog" command deletes items onloan without checking <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7329>
10:05 huginn` kmkale: Quote #157: "wizzyrea: bbiaf -> I know that means be back in a few but my brain told me that meant be back in a fire oleonard: similar to the common ctaof, for Can't talk, am on fire" (added by wizzyrea at 04:38 PM, September 23, 2011)
10:05 kmkale @quote random
09:49 Oak later
09:49 Oak class time
09:08 kmkale :)
09:08 huginn` kf: Quote #132: "<oleonard> nengard: It depends what time zone Jesus uses I think" (added by druthb at 02:07 PM, May 20, 2011)
09:08 kf @quote random
09:08 * kf nods
09:07 kmkale :( even the quotes are not funny today
09:03 huginn` kf: Quote #162: "oleonard: I think DRM is inherently incompatible with any lending system which will be friendly to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 04:03 PM, October 28, 2011)
09:03 kf @quote random
09:02 huginn` kmkale: Quote #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers" (added by gmcharlt at 08:50 PM, January 28, 2010)
09:02 kmkale @quote random
09:02 huginn` kmkale: Quote #168: "gmcharlt: #koha is ALL the time" (added by chris_n at 09:01 PM, December 01, 2011)
09:02 kmkale @quote random
08:49 huginn` kf: The operation succeeded.
08:49 kf @later tell paul_p I am worried about the version numbers in updatedatabase - can you check? I think we should be using 3.07... but last update was 3.6.2!
08:23 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7328] Expanded options in advanced search <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7328>
08:18 kf :)
08:17 Oak welcome back kf :)
08:15 kf hi again #koha
08:11 francharb hello #koha
08:10 julian_m hello AmitG
08:10 asaurat hi!
08:09 wahanui Good luck getting ten words out of this one...
08:09 AmitG heya julian_m, wahanui
08:08 wahanui hello, julian_m
08:08 julian_m hi wahanui
08:07 wahanui privet, julian_m
08:07 julian_m hi
07:46 alex_a hi cait :)
07:46 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:46 reiveune hello
07:28 cait hi alex_a
07:27 Oak :)
07:26 alex_a Oak: bonjour :)
07:20 Oak belle journ�e
07:19 Oak Bonjour Monsieur alex_a
07:18 alex_a morning all
06:41 kmkale Namaskaar #koha
06:04 AmitG heya cait, Oak :D
05:59 cait hard!
05:59 cait oh
05:51 Oak :) no Internet there
05:51 Oak :) spent two days at my sister's place
05:51 Oak TenÄ Koe rangi-
05:50 cait morning mr Oak :)
05:50 Oak kia ora #koha :)
05:49 Oak Good Morning miss cait :-)
05:49 Brooke OÃche mhaith
05:44 Brooke I see we get mild mannered Clark Kent in the stead of Super Snail.
05:44 Brooke o/
04:48 cait hm 5:45 now yes
04:43 Brooke http://www.thenation.com/article/164881/upheaval-new-york-public-library?page=full
04:39 Brooke yep
04:39 bag they are always awake
04:38 Brooke that is prolly the only thing cool about Mumbai
04:38 Brooke they mostly roll up the streets here after 10pm
04:37 bag what's up on the east side?
04:37 Brooke big_bang_theory++
04:36 bag like 5:30am early?
04:36 cait and big bang theory is great :)
04:36 cait went to bed early, woke up a bit earlier than usual
04:36 cait yes
04:36 cait hi bg
04:36 bag and I've got the big bang theory on in the back ground
04:35 bag hmmm… just thinking about life Brooke
04:35 bag so cait it's early morning for you right?
04:35 Brooke what's up on the West Siiiiide?
04:35 Brooke yo
04:35 bag heya cait
04:35 bag heya Brooke
04:18 Brooke :)
04:17 cait hi Brooke
04:17 Brooke o/
03:38 bag heya AmitG :D
03:37 AmitG heya bag
03:25 cait hi #koha
03:17 Cul take care of yourself and we'll see you later.
03:16 Cul well, thank you so much for all your help.. I'm gonna call it a night and try and figure this out tomorrow. I'm sure that it's all somewhere between mysql and koha because the install went without a hitch this time..
03:13 Cul Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 693.
03:13 Cul something's still up with the passwords I think...
03:12 Cul dang
03:12 Cul the moment of truth
03:12 * Cul drumroll
03:10 eythian yeah, you can do that in Linux too, but you can't copy and paste a gui command.
03:09 Cul remember.. I come from window.. you don't need to know the command line to press the delete key :)
03:08 Cul very nice, thank you
03:07 eythian sudo rm /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mylibrary
03:06 Cul to delet mylibrary
03:06 eythian which proper command?
03:06 Cul can you help me out with the proper command?
03:04 Cul ok
03:04 Cul <--- didn't
03:04 eythian it won't happen automatically. Do it now and restart apache, and it'll be happier with it.
03:04 Cul remove sites-enabled/mylibrary when i remove previous pkgs
03:03 eythian you didn't which?
03:03 Cul so since I didn't, I probably can't just take it out now and have everything be fine can I?
03:00 eythian if you've removed the packages, you should remove /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mylibrary
03:00 eythian that's a leftover from the packages
03:00 eythian hmm
02:59 eythian well, it's a bad apache configuration
02:59 Cul is that a bad apache install?
02:58 Cul [fail]
02:58 Cul waiting ..apache2: Syntax error on line 236 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 5 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mylibrary: Could not open configuration file /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf: No such file or directory
02:58 Cul hmmm... everything was going so well:
02:56 Cul so really, how many of the names on here are bot?
02:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5974 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Bogus auth check for "StaffMember" role
02:55 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 5974 - Bogus auth check for "StaffMember" role
02:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #15: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/15/
02:52 eythian yeah
02:51 Cul ok, it said make sure you run make install as root.. sudo is appropriate, yes?
02:51 eythian awesome :)
02:50 Cul that's what I'm learning.. I spent about a month trying to get NewGenLib working on a windows machine and finally made the leap to linux.. I'm very happy so far
02:49 eythian it's a Linux application, they don't tend to be huge.
02:48 Cul that's suprisingly small
02:48 eythian I dunno. 50-100MB or so maybe, much of which is translations.
02:47 Cul what's the approx size of this app with empty databases?
02:43 eythian (/me hasn't done an install like that for a very long time)
02:42 eythian Oh. I dunno, probably standard. It won't matter a whole lot.
02:42 Cul I'm at the install koha portion of the instructions.. it offers std, single and dev for install options
02:41 eythian what do you mean by 'single'?
02:41 Cul and import them on a new install
02:41 Cul I can transfer the db's right?
02:40 Cul that aside.. if i'm just testing the app for board approval should I select single and plan on reinstalling to the final hosting server...?
02:39 eythian I'd set up a dyndns service
02:38 eythian not really, it's a server application and they tend to like servers.
02:37 Cul oooh, single or standard... I'm at home and don't have a static ip and I'm doing this for work so I won't be able to reliably host without leaving home with my ip every morning. this system isn't portable at all is it?
02:34 eythian that can happen
02:34 Cul then i might have had remnants of the previous failed install lingering
02:34 eythian the packages do the passwords for you
02:32 Cul I tried this method first and apparently the 'this password' here part got me.. then I went with the packages and got the same results.. now I'm so close I can smell it ... i think...
02:29 eythian I would have just used the packages ;)
02:28 * Cul 5th times a charm
02:28 Cul ok, just making sure.. I'm really excited about this working this time....
02:27 eythian so you do it once, with that information in there
02:27 eythian yeah
02:27 Cul because i'm subbing the same data from the <config> section of the xml file
02:27 eythian the first one is pointless
02:27 eythian err
02:27 eythian you need the second one, but the last one is pointless I think
02:26 Cul > GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password';
02:26 Cul > GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password';
02:26 Cul so these two commands are redundant then?
02:25 eythian mysql users have nothing to do with computer users
02:25 eythian no
02:25 Cul that's what I thought
02:24 Cul or should the root@localhost be my normal login and computer name
02:24 eythian but you do need to grant them to the db user that koha will be using
02:24 eythian it already has them
02:24 eythian there's no point granting privs to root
02:23 Cul if what you said about shouldn't be root.. should be mysql user is the case
02:22 Cul so if I understand this... the walkthrough here wants me to grant privvys to sql user and root then... otherwise the next command would be identical to the first
02:21 eythian yeah
02:20 Cul yeah, in the <config> section.. right?
02:20 eythian it's right down near the bottom
02:19 wahanui i guess the database is gone now :(
02:19 eythian the database
02:19 Cul I see zebra and biblioserver... or was it the same I just entered for the other?
02:18 eythian yeah
02:18 Cul the same xml file?
02:17 eythian it'll be in the file
02:17 Cul hmmm, I think I remember the password
02:17 eythian yeah, should be right
02:16 Cul from the install instructions that is..
02:16 Cul so then this one is koha from mysql db and db passwd?
02:16 Cul GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password';
02:14 jenkins_koha Starting build 15 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
02:13 eythian heh
02:12 Cul i'm starting to feel like less of a dummy than the last 4 times... it's empowering...
02:12 Cul hehe, I got it..
02:11 eythian and where you installed to
02:11 eythian depends how you installed
02:10 Cul crap.. where is that file... /etc/koha.... somethingorother...
02:09 eythian yeah. you can set them to what you need, so long as they username and password match
02:08 Cul so info from koha-conf.xml in there... is that your final answer eythian?
02:07 Cul I thought I had completely bungled my sql and everything
02:07 eythian :)
02:07 * Cul so exciting!!
02:06 Cul maybe we're on to something
02:06 Cul hey, maybe that's why it didn't work the first four times I tried to install :D :D
02:05 eythian it should be the name of the user in your koha-conf.xml, and the password should match that too
02:05 eythian I don't think it should be root
02:05 eythian that's weird.
02:04 Cul item inside single quotes are what I decide them to be? or does it have to match something as well
02:04 Cul GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password';
02:00 eythian no, it's the root password of your mysql
01:59 Cul when this prompts for password is it the password in the koha-conf.xml file?
01:59 Cul mysqladmin -uroot -p create kohadata
01:53 eythian smita: not really sure I'm afraid. Hopefully someone with acq knowledge will be along soon.
01:53 indradg eythian, ok... i'm stuck with a zebra error
01:51 eythian indradg: rangi isn't here
01:48 smita says done with errors and does not save the order to the basket. I am logging as staff with all privileges and not as koha admin
01:47 smita just create a new vendor, added a new basket, try adding a order , add all details press the save button, it will not save the order in the basket, does not give any error msg
01:47 indradg rangi, ping
01:45 smita 3.06
01:45 eythian smita: what version, what happens, what unusal things appear, what else can you tell us?
01:43 smita yes it is , at cost of being here in the middle of summer, just terrible sweltering heat. Now about my aquisition qs pls. Has halted my acq training pls.
01:40 Cul sounds awesome smita
01:39 smita I am in Nadi Public Library for this week implementing Koha at the first public library in the country
01:38 Cul man, that opened a can of worms.. now instead of one package missing.. i've got 9
01:37 smita Still struggling to save an order in a basket with no error message except that it will not save. Help please
01:34 eythian apt-cache search libidzebra may be useful to if that doesn't work
01:33 eythian yeah
01:30 Cul something like apt-get install libidzebra-d.0-0 ?
01:30 eythian (I'm not sure if it exists in Ubuntu though)
01:29 eythian try installing it to be sure
01:29 eythian it might be
01:29 eythian Hmm. Not sure.
01:24 Cul I see libidzebra-d.0-0 = (none) is that a problem?
01:24 Cul so running install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | grep none
01:17 Cul so i see
01:16 eythian it's always worth copy-pasting those commands, it's really easy to make a mistake
01:16 eythian :)
01:16 Cul doh! der... I didn't shift when I hit the <
01:15 eythian for example, there's no ',' in the command
01:15 eythian Cul: it is a correct command, but you're not copy-pasting and so doing it wrong
01:15 Cul dpkg: unknown option --set-slections,install_misc/ubuntu.packages
01:14 Cul when I run it it brings up dpkg help topics
01:14 smita I have followed through and created the order only as a staff user not as a koha admin, it works correctly from test system
01:13 Cul that doesn't seem like a complete command to me.. am I wrong?
01:13 Cul ok, on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu... there's a code line that reads.. sudo dpkg --set-selections<install_misc/ubuntu.packages
01:12 Phlunk3 Cul just ask :) people will help if they can
01:11 smita well, i am a newbie - it does not come up with an error message just does not save the order into the basket- ans yes, i am totally a noob
01:10 Cul everyone's so busy talking about technical stuff, I feel like i'm intruding if I pop in to ask a noob question...
01:09 Phlunk3 is Smita's issue a bug or simply a problem with user error? Sorry smita I don't have a system to test with at the moment.
00:57 Cul hello #koha
00:52 smita found the + sign- it does needs to clearer please like everything else in koha, but still it does not allow me to save the order in the empty basket, it says done with error- no error message and the order is not saved
00:48 rangi it will be a + or the word Add
00:45 rangi above the quantity
00:43 smita I am creating a order for a new item, can't see + sign anywhere
00:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6893 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , Order from suggestion does not remove suggestion from 'accepted' list
00:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6908 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , increase DEBUG level for *NOISY* Dates.pm init() messages
00:41 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 06 Dec 2011 23:44:14 Z
00:41 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Adding Adrien Saurat as 161th committer.
00:41 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 6893 : Updates suggestions list when adding orders
00:41 jenkins_koha * mtj: Bug 6908 - increase DEBUG level for *NOISY* Dates.pm init() messages
00:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #14: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/14/
00:40 rangi you cant ever change the quantity ordered by entering in that box
00:39 smita I will try
00:39 rangi it will make you another item and increase the quantity
00:39 rangi click on the plus sign up a bit, under the item info
00:39 smita It is stuck on 1 and will not allow me to change the quantity
00:39 eythian smita: what's the error?
00:38 smita Hello from Fiji where I am setting up koha in the first public library. I am stuck , can\t change the quantity in aquistion, it is coming up with error. Please help
00:26 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7326] longoverdue.pl hardcoded to 1 year max <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7326>
00:21 bag rangi++ #thanks for the extra help :)
00:13 rangi no worries
00:13 melia ok. thanks!
00:12 rangi yeah even if it doesnt, it gives nicer info about why not
00:12 rangi sweet :)
00:12 melia ok. I'll add it to my instructions. if git bz apply doesn't work, then try git am -iu3
00:12 rangi often that will work though, so its worth trying
00:11 melia thank you :)
00:11 rangi ill update the bug
00:11 rangi but now we know why
00:11 rangi nope
00:11 melia so still doesn't work?
00:11 rangi CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in C4/Members.pm
00:11 rangi which tries a merge and tells me
00:11 rangi rorohiko:[git/4530-]:~/git/catalyst-koha% git am -iu3 /tmp/patch-wm2dFB.patch
00:11 rangi rorohiko:[git/4530|am-]:~/git/catalyst-koha% git am --abort
00:10 rangi and then I can go
00:10 rangi Patch left in /tmp/patch-wm2dFB.patch
00:10 rangi git bz is nice so it does this
00:09 melia ok
00:09 rangi if so ill get you to try again :)
00:09 rangi lemme try it and see if a merge works
00:09 rangi it will just bail out
00:09 rangi ahh git bz will not try to do a merge
00:08 melia no
00:08 rangi and then you tried a git am -iu3 eh?
00:08 melia bg did it with me
00:08 melia yes
00:08 rangi for 4530 did you do git bz?
00:08 melia hi rangi
00:08 melia yes
00:08 rangi melia: about?