Time  Nick           Message
00:04 Judit          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas
00:05 Phlunk3        hehe :) was just thinking sinterklaas comes on the 5th :)
00:05 Judit          sinterklass?
00:06 Phlunk3        yeah 5th december is umm, the main present night
00:06 Phlunk3        didnt get to set my shoe this year, but I did get some chocolates
00:07 Judit          Did you polish your shoes?
00:08 Phlunk3        dont think zwarte piet cares if your shoes are polished lol
00:09 Judit          it does matter!
00:09 Judit          :)
00:09 Judit          cleaner shoes = more present
00:10 WinXnet        Hello all, I was wondering if anyone here has had experience exporting patron data from Koha for import into the CASSIE system ?
00:14 eythian        Phlunk3: yeah, sinterklaas is the important day, I reckon :)
00:14 eythian        it's when the presents come.
00:15 Phlunk3        yeah, we were meant to go see sinterklaas arrive here on saturday but the thing got rained out :(
00:15 eythian        Phlunk3: where are you?
00:16 eythian        oh, you're up 'naki way, aren't you?
00:17 mtj            WinXnet:  nope - prolly better to ask on the CASSIE irc channel ;)
00:18 WinXnet        Will do Thanks
00:18 Phlunk3        Tauranga
00:18 * eythian      doesn't even know what CASSIE is.
00:18 eythian        ah right
00:19 rhcl           Cassie = public access control system
00:20 rhcl           http://www.librarica.com/feature_accesscontrol.html
00:21 eythian        oh ah
00:22 mtj            aah, oops - i  assumed  CASSIE was another ILS
00:22 rhcl           nope. Same function as Userful or Envisionware or PC-Cop
00:24 rhcl           If you don't connect one of these systems to an ILS, then one thing you can do (it's ugly) is to export the ILS patron database and inport it into the public access control system.
00:24 rhcl           and with that, I hear the dinner bell ringing.
00:24 rhcl           Later all
00:37 * wizzyrea     vows never to eat KFC whilst in NZ
00:38 Judit          :D what happened
00:41 chris_n        wizzyrea ?
00:41 wahanui        I LIKE SCIENCE!
00:41 chris_n        I know
00:41 wizzyrea       sup?
00:41 chris_n        KFC issues?
00:41 chris_n        maybe file a bug report
00:41 Phlunk3        kfc is bad in nz? :/
00:41 Phlunk3        worst kfc I ever had was in tijuana :/
00:41 wizzyrea       no - it's just... I can get that here :P
00:41 chris_n        ahh
00:42 chris_n        yeah, they wanted to take me to McD's in Spain
00:42 * chris_n      strongly protested
00:42 Judit          hahaha
00:42 Judit          mcd in spain
00:42 wizzyrea       the dunkin donuts, however (in the auckland airport) was strangely comforting after a 13 hour flight.
00:43 * chris_n      thinks donuts and chocloate are universal foods
00:43 wizzyrea       *nod*
00:46 eythian        wizzyrea: I get the impression KFC is better here, though it's still not that good.
00:46 wizzyrea       hmmm
00:46 wizzyrea       well... maybe I will try it *once*
00:46 Judit          Can KFC be good at all?
00:46 wizzyrea       ^^ there is also that very good point
00:47 ibeardslee     if fat and salt are good for you
00:47 Phlunk3        nz really needs to get the big tasty with bacon @ maccas, then I will feel at home here :/
00:48 wizzyrea       hmm
00:48 ibeardslee     ooh bacon
00:49 ibeardslee     http://www.flickr.com/photos/taniwha/381490389/
00:50 wizzyrea       2 jalapenos for 1.90
00:50 ibeardslee     that was some of the best bacon I've had
00:50 Judit          :)
00:51 Judit          bacon is good, bacon is nice
01:24 jcamins_away   Calzone-ish things are in the oven! :)
01:24 Judit          could you bring some over? when it is ready
01:25 jcamins_away   I don't think there will be any left.
01:26 jcamins_away   They have become one of Shari's favorite dishes, and disappear very quickly in this household. :)
01:42 Judit          my Koha sends the third overdue notice out daily- for the same book. there should be only one email, right?
03:47 bag            hey there kmkale
03:47 bag            yo AmitG
05:33 sandeepbhavsar hi Chris
05:34 cait           hi #koha
05:34 sandeepbhavsar I would like to add all open access databases and commercial databases in pazpar2
05:34 sandeepbhavsar kindly guide
06:40 AmitG          heya bag
06:40 bag            AmitG: hi
07:30 alex_a         morning #koha
07:35 cait           hi alex_a :)
07:36 cait           @wunder Konstanz
07:36 huginn`        cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.5�C (8:29 AM CET on December 06, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising).
07:36 cait           rain :(
07:36 alex_a         @wunder marseille
07:36 huginn`        alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0�C (8:00 AM CET on December 06, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:37 cait           partly cloudy is better than rain
07:37 alex_a         yes :)
07:38 alex_a         bit less than sunny
07:38 alex_a         s/bit/but/
07:38 alex_a         cait: will you be there for the next hackfest in Marseille ?
07:39 cait           I hope... but nothing decided yet
07:39 cait           is the date set?
07:39 alex_a         mmh yes but i can't remember :-/
07:39 cait           heh
07:42 cait           ok, time to go to work
07:42 cait           bbiab
07:43 alex_a         \o
07:54 reiveune       hello
07:55 julian_m       hi !
08:09 asaurat        hi all!
08:12 kf             hi again #koha
08:21 asaurat        hi kf!
08:22 kf             hi asaurat :)
08:49 francharb      hi!
10:07 Carl           Hello!
10:08 Carl           A quick question: Anyone using the Koha chat with Adium for Mac?
10:12 Carl           Hello!
10:12 Carl           A quick question: Anyone using the Koha chat with Adium for Mac?
10:13 magnuse        nope, got a problem Carl?
10:14 Carl           well, I was wondering how to use the Koha chat in Adium
10:15 Carl           If that is possible
10:43 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5211' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7267ea91acb5902c6539a01fc0c13ea30640aa94> / bug_5211: LostItem() - added charge_fee param to control fee charging <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1713133fddbd5ee8f722061ef8e1a9b836db1fa0> / Bug 2616: Remove unnecessary 'use HTML::Template' calls <http://git.koha-community.org/
10:44 jenkins_koha   Starting build 548 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 18 j ago)
10:53 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6786: Follow up fixing index names with hyphens <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=32d8abbb43729aedfe20d30a9acc21d4f7268ec9> / Bug 6132: preference were case sensitive. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7655eaedc124d52ca1f4d17855dc3753abf0802c>
10:56 magnuse        it's on! http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-12-07_Global_bug_squashing_day
11:03 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug7108: Intranet Language Menu Display Patch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a86cb4ed97e8a4b29feddb1caafb7e111b0c67d> / Bug 7108 - OPAC Translations Display Patch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccc182f260249e4de485e338abcbe9bc95ca98c8>
11:13 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: 160th developer + 2 events added (NZ tm and 3.6.1 released) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=914d4d43529b83fa7318ea261398e16306790364> / Fix for Bug 7120 - After deleting order from order receive page redirect fails <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc249205a26426cba0751dcc544996fefa3ede71>
11:23 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Fix a problem when translations contain various XSL files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7534c34cdb272987122ef106e9d4523f10ff178e> / Fix for Bug 7137 - fixed width table where it should be variable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a6c8b367544c2608255bdb7add08c3a2eec7ae6> / Bug 7122 - Add a div to opac-messaging.tt to facilitate consistent styling across...
11:33 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #548: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/548/
11:33 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 2616: Remove unnecessary 'use HTML::Template' calls
11:34 jenkins_koha   * srdjan: bug_5211: LostItem() - added charge_fee param to control fee charging
11:34 jenkins_koha   * henridamien.laurent: Bug 6132: preference were case sensitive.
11:34 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2616 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , unnecessary 'use HTML::Template'
11:34 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6132 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , System preferences are case sensitive
11:34 jenkins_koha   Starting build 549 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 18 j ago)
11:45 kf             GBSD is on!
12:04 Guest19515     hi
12:04 wahanui        hola, Guest19515
12:05 Guest19515     sir  now i am installing SIP Server
12:05 Guest19515     in koha3.4
12:05 Guest19515     and os ubuntu1.10
12:06 Guest19515     sorry ubuntu 10.10
12:06 Guest19515     when i start the SIP server coming error
12:23 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #549: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/549/
12:23 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 6786: Follow up fixing index names with hyphens
12:23 jenkins_koha   * martin.renvoize: Bug 7108 - OPAC Translations Display Patch
12:23 jenkins_koha   * martin: Bug7108: Intranet Language Menu Display Patch
12:23 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7120 - After deleting order from order receive page redirect fails
12:23 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: 160th developer + 2 events added (NZ tm and 3.6.1 released)
12:23 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6786 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , False detection of index names in Search; make index names case insensitive
12:23 jenkins_koha   * lrea: Bug 7122 - Add a div to opac-messaging.tt to facilitate consistent styling across OPAC user pages.
12:23 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7137 - fixed width table where it should be variable
12:23 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7108 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, martin.renvoize, ASSIGNED , Lists of "Similar" languages break display across multiple lines in both Opac and Intranet
12:23 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Fix a problem when translations contain &nbsp; various XSL files
12:23 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7120 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , After deleting order from order receive page redirect fails
12:23 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7122 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Adding divs to opac-messaging.tt to aid OPAC css styling
12:23 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7137 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , fixed width table where it should be variable
12:28 jcamins_away   Good morning, Kiribati!
12:28 jcamins_away   And everyone else in #koha.
12:35 NateC          morning nengard!
12:35 nengard        morning
12:44 nengard        i'm reading back through old patches and in 2008 the emailPurchaseSuggestions preference was removed from Koha - and then in bug 3985 I asked to get it back, but that bug is marked as resolved - anyone know why this preference was removed and not added back?
12:44 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3985 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, New Sys Prefs Branch - Missing Acq Preferences
12:48 Culiforge      hello good morning (for me)
12:48 jcamins        nengard: I sure don't.
12:49 nengard        bug 2776 says it was never implemented in the code
12:49 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2776 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, emailPurchaseSuggestions system preference deprecated
12:49 nengard        so i guess that's my answer
12:49 jcamins        Ah.
12:52 jcamins        Not sure why it was marked as resolved, though.
12:53 jcamins        (I mean, your request to re-add the functionality)
12:57 nengard        yeah - not sure about that
12:57 nengard        but i've put in a new ticket for it
12:57 nengard        so it doesn't get lost with other fixes
12:59 kf             hi all
13:00 kf             paul_p: around?
13:01 asaurat        kf: nope
13:06 kf             ah
13:06 kf             ok
13:12 jcamins        Hello kf.
13:14 jenkins_koha   Starting build 12 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
13:14 kf             hi jcamins
13:18 kf             @wunder Wellington
13:18 huginn`        kf: Error: No such location could be found.
13:18 kf             @wunder wellington, nz
13:18 huginn`        kf: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (2:00 AM NZDT on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
13:19 jcamins        @wunder 11375
13:19 huginn`        jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 13.2�C (8:15 AM EST on December 06, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady).
13:19 kf             @wunder Konstanz
13:19 huginn`        kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0�C (2:00 PM CET on December 06, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
13:19 kf             @wunder boo
13:19 huginn`        kf: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0�C (1:50 PM CET on December 06, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 28.77 in 974 hPa (Steady).
13:27 oleonard       Hi global bug-squashers
13:31 oleonard       git bisect, how dare you come to me with such an obviously wrong report!
13:34 jcamins        oleonard: uh-oh.
13:34 kf             hi oleonard :)
13:36 magnuse        light snow showers indeed...
13:55 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #12: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/12/
13:55 jenkins_koha   * martin.renvoize: Bug 7108 - OPAC Translations Display Patch
13:55 jenkins_koha   * lrea: Bug 7122 - Add a div to opac-messaging.tt to facilitate consistent styling across OPAC user pages.
13:55 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7137 - fixed width table where it should be variable
13:55 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 6786: Follow up fixing index names with hyphens
13:55 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7120 - After deleting order from order receive page redirect fails
13:55 jenkins_koha   * henridamien.laurent: Bug 6132: preference were case sensitive.
13:55 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7108 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, martin.renvoize, ASSIGNED , Lists of "Similar" languages break display across multiple lines in both Opac and Intranet
13:55 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 2616: Remove unnecessary 'use HTML::Template' calls
13:55 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7122 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Adding divs to opac-messaging.tt to aid OPAC css styling
13:55 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Fix a problem when translations contain &nbsp; various XSL files
13:55 jenkins_koha   * martin: Bug7108: Intranet Language Menu Display Patch
13:55 jenkins_koha   * srdjan: bug_5211: LostItem() - added charge_fee param to control fee charging
13:55 jenkins_koha   * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 06 Dec 2011 12:57:05 Z
13:55 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7137 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , fixed width table where it should be variable
13:55 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6786 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , False detection of index names in Search; make index names case insensitive
13:55 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7120 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , After deleting order from order receive page redirect fails
13:55 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6132 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , System preferences are case sensitive
13:55 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2616 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , unnecessary 'use HTML::Template'
13:56 oleonard       bot party!
13:57 magnuse        now if we could only train them to write the patches themselves...
13:58 jcamins        magnuse++ # excellent idea!
13:59 magnuse        ;-)
14:00 magnuse        namaste kmkale
14:00 kf             oleonard: I never got around to use git bisect - is it fun?
14:00 kmkale         hi magnuse :)
14:00 kmkale         hi kf
14:00 oleonard       I can work very well to isolate when something broke. In this case it came back with a really dumb answer.
14:01 oleonard       *It* can work very well
14:01 oleonard       I can too sometimes :)
14:01 kf             :)
14:01 magnuse        i'm sure you can work very well too, oleonard ;-)
14:01 oleonard       It'll have to be me since git bisect didn't do it :P
14:01 kf             I pondered trying to use git bisect for the acq problem I had... but was not sure when it actually worked the last time
14:02 oleonard       http://book.git-scm.com/5_finding_issues_-_git_bisect.html
14:05 * chris_n      thinks git-bisect is a fancy binary search
14:05 kmkale         @seen bg
14:05 huginn`        kmkale: bg was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 7 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <bg> hi cait
14:06 oleonard       @seen bag
14:06 huginn`        oleonard: bag was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 25 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <bag> AmitG: hi
14:06 kmkale         oleonard: bag=bg?
14:06 oleonard       Yes
14:06 chris_n        @wunder 28334
14:06 huginn`        chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 15.0�C (8:55 AM EST on December 06, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
14:08 nengard        bag is sleeping right now :)
14:08 nengard        or should be
14:12 libsysguy      morning #Koha
14:15 magnuse        hiya libsysguy and trea
14:16 trea           manguse, hi
14:16 trea           morning #koha
14:16 libsysguy      kia ora
14:16 libsysguy      did i say that right
14:17 kmkale         gotta go & buy some groceries BBL
14:19 magnuse        libsysguy: yup
14:19 * chris_n      discovers the world's largest mini-wheat in his bag of snacks
14:20 oleonard       orly? http://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/worlds-largest-frosted-mini-wheats-cluster
14:21 chris_n        heh
14:22 chris_n        these skipped the "cutter" or whatever... it looks to be the equivalent of four combined
14:23 chris_n        blueberry frosted mini-wheats I should add for all of you culinary fans
14:35 libsysguy      so I have a list of bibs in a mrc file that contains an 001 field.  I have a matching rule for the 001 field but when I ran the stage script to match it only came back wtih 700 records and it should have been closer to 380,000
14:35 libsysguy      has anybody set up a matching rule for 001 that they would be willing to share
14:35 libsysguy      so I could see if mine is correct
14:36 jcamins        libsysguy: sekjal should have one.
14:36 libsysguy      waits to stalk sekjal
14:38 libsysguy      @later tell sekjal could I take a look at your 001 matching rule
14:38 huginn`        libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
14:44 jcamins        libsysguy: well done.
14:44 jcamins        Good morning, sekjal.
14:45 sekjal         morning, jcamins
15:01 sekjal         chris_n: is 3.6.2 coming out early?
15:02 wizzyrea       chris_n: did you see my email about bug 7134 possibly causing the test to fail?
15:02 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7134 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , patron records getting funny birthdays
15:02 chris_n        sekjal: no
15:02 chris_n        sorry
15:02 chris_n        ;-)
15:03 chris_n        wizzyrea: I missed that one
15:03 wizzyrea       well I only sent it like 10 mins ago
15:03 sekjal         chris_n:  ah, okay, misinterpreted the latest commit on 3.6.x
15:03 wizzyrea       it would be sane that you don't check your email that often
15:03 chris_n        sekjal: that's my new auto-release-notes script
15:03 chris_n        updates after each push
15:03 sekjal         chris_n:  ah ha!
15:03 sekjal         neat
15:04 chris_n        so all of you avid koha dev fans may keep up with the latest news about the coming maint release :-)
15:04 oleonard       wizzyrea: I don't check my email, my email reaches out and shakes me by the collar
15:04 chris_n        wizzyrea: reading now
15:04 wizzyrea       oleonard: I'm so sorry.
15:04 * wizzyrea     vows to never send you email
15:04 wizzyrea       we need your brain intact.
15:04 wizzyrea       .
15:05 * oleonard     loves email!
15:05 * chris_n      wonders if threatening to revert will have any motivational effects
15:05 oleonard       Bring it on.
15:05 * jcamins      e-mails oleonard to let him know that he'll send him an e-mail.
15:05 * wizzyrea     sobs
15:05 chris_n        jenkins is doing a good job of sending email lately
15:05 wizzyrea       I actually had a bit of a problem understanding what the test was actually checking
15:06 chris_n        sekjal: hence the timestamp in the release-notes commit message
15:06 oleonard       jcamins: Just as long as you don't call me to ask if I got the email
15:06 wizzyrea       frenchism suspected
15:06 * oleonard     hates the phone!
15:06 * wizzyrea     too
15:06 chris_n        wizzyrea: the author of the patch should be responsible to fix the test
15:06 chris_n        then the one pushing to master should verify all tests run ok prior to pushing
15:06 * chris_n      hides from paul_p
15:06 wizzyrea       well I can appreciate those things, I was trying to be helpful and stuff.
15:06 * jcamins      is not very fond of snail mail at the moment, either.
15:07 * wizzyrea     appreciates large government organizations that accept email correspondence for important things
15:07 wizzyrea       much easier than say, faxing.
15:07 * chris_n      thinks wizzyrea is extremely helpful
15:07 chris_n        faxing--
15:12 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7226] Can't add tags on list <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7226>
15:12 oleonard       Bam!
15:24 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6302] Failing to send email notices - to_address not set <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6302>
15:25 kf             oleonard++ :)
15:26 * wizzyrea     imagines oleonard channeling emeril
15:27 * oleonard     doesn't watch Emeril, but he does watch Futurama
15:27 wizzyrea       oh ellezar
15:28 sekjal         Koha 3.8 Spice Weasel?
15:30 wizzyrea       spice weasel?
15:30 wizzyrea       oh futurama.
15:30 kf             this name discussion is scary
15:31 * oleonard     is not in favor of adding a name to Koha versions
15:31 * wizzyrea     thinks a little personality wouldn't be bad.
15:31 wizzyrea       but doesn't really care one way or the other
15:32 sekjal         the last time a "Koha" release was named, it wasn't such a good thing
15:32 * jcamins      is looking forward to Koha 5.8 Lemon merengue raspberry chocolate cheesecake fudge.
15:32 * magnuse      gets hungry
15:32 wizzyrea       "culinary specialties of the world" might make good names
15:32 wizzyrea       Koha 3.8 Pepparkokkar
15:33 libsysguy      sekjal you around still
15:33 sekjal         Koha 4.5.1 (Fahrenheit), if we wanted to go literary
15:33 * wizzyrea     laughs
15:33 sekjal         hey, libsysguy
15:33 wahanui        libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
15:33 * wizzyrea     nods
15:33 libsysguy      hey sekjal did you get my message about the 001?
15:33 sekjal         yes
15:33 wizzyrea       koha 4.0 dal nirvana
15:34 libsysguy      any protips?
15:34 wizzyrea       koha 4.2 fish and chips
15:34 libsysguy      tasty and good for you :P
15:34 jcamins        Uhhh...
15:34 jcamins        I meant the food, not the dance.
15:34 * jcamins      imagines dancing fudge.
15:35 sekjal         libsysguy: trick is to set the search index to Control-number
15:35 wizzyrea       koha 4.4 Miso soup
15:36 libsysguy      ok I have that
15:36 magnuse        Koha 4.6 Smalahove (not for the faint of heart...)
15:36 wizzyrea       or 4.6 Lutefisk
15:36 sekjal         libsysguy:  and subfield 'a'
15:36 magnuse        hehe
15:36 wizzyrea       :D
15:36 libsysguy      http://i.imgur.com/xD4sJ.png
15:37 libsysguy      eww Lutefisk lol
15:37 libsysguy      i didn't have the subfield set
15:37 libsysguy      sekjal sorry that link was for you
15:37 libsysguy      forgot to tag it
15:37 sekjal         technically, there AREN'T subfields to 001, but put an 'a' in anyway
15:37 sekjal         makes the code happier
15:37 libsysguy      haha
15:38 libsysguy      notihing for offset, length or normalizations rules
15:39 kf             libsysguy: I have a working rule for 001 - want me to look it up?
15:39 sekjal         libsysguy:  0, 0 and blank is fine
15:39 libsysguy      sure kf
15:39 kf             sorry, bit chaotic today, didn't follow all of the conversation :(
15:39 libsysguy      i just want to make sure its 100% right before i run the match checks again
15:40 libsysguy      because 700 out of 380000 means its a sad day for libsysguy
15:41 kf             we have 001 as the only matching thing
15:41 libsysguy      hmm
15:41 libsysguy      ok
15:41 libsysguy      ill run it again
15:41 kf             Index: Control-number, Score: 1000, Tag 001, subfields: empty, offset 0, length: 0 Normalization rule: PPN (seems not to be defined anywhere)
15:42 libsysguy      gotcha
15:42 libsysguy      ok well then mine looks right
15:45 kf             jm
15:46 kf             perhaps click on remove this match checkß
15:46 kf             ß
15:46 kf             gr. can't type.
15:47 libsysguy      ok
15:47 libsysguy      did that
15:48 libsysguy      running...ill come back in an hour with some results
15:49 kf             oh!
15:49 kf             libsysguy: which version are you using?
15:49 libsysguy      master
15:50 oleonard       Just started testing Bug 7261...Why do I already have a CalendarFirstDayOfWeek system preference?
15:50 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7261 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , System Preference to select the first day of week (Sunday or Monday) to use in the calendar (OPAC and Intranet)
15:51 kf             oleonard: I think there was a patch for that sometime
15:51 kf             oleonard: might have been you already tested it some time ago?
15:51 kf             libsysguy: as of today?
15:51 libsysguy      no as of yesterday
15:52 kf             http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=32d8abbb43729aedfe20d30a9acc21d4f7268ec9
15:52 kf             from today
15:52 kf             not sure if this has any influence on the matching
15:52 libsysguy      hmm
15:53 kf             might only be search from the interface
15:53 libsysguy      im not sure if it does either...if this match fails again ill apply it and see what it does
16:06 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7216 - koha-restore does not correctly set home <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93cd5bd501c9f9d19261bdb5ef429961d56330af>
16:14 jenkins_koha   Starting build 550 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 18 j ago)
16:16 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7251 : Corrects a problem in overdue_notices.pl when delimiter is set to tabulation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=478c2b139ceb58bc619e7c8a5270e499c870dbcf> / Bug 7225 - "Delete all items" should be greyed out when a title has no items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3be1252e1bab40bd43821e66e2cfc69471e24132>
16:19 kf             bye all
16:19 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2307] Calendar widget cannot be translated <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2307>
16:21 reiveune       bye
16:25 fabio_t        hi! is it possible (or does it make sense) to upgrade from 3.2 tar.gz installation to 3.6 packages?
16:26 fabio_t        I'm not sure if a database dump of 3.2 will work with 3.6!
16:27 chris_n        fabio_t: you can backup, install via packages, restore, and the upgrade should run fine on the restored 3.2 db
16:28 * chris_n      ran an upgrade from 3.2.something to 3.6 the other day with no remarkable db errors
16:30 fabio_t        thank you chris_n
16:30 fabio_t        and what about koha-upgrade-to-3.4 command?
16:31 fabio_t        is it unnecessary I guess
16:31 fabio_t        * it is
16:32 chris_n        fabio_t: I'm not familiar with the package stuff, perhaps someone else can answer that question
16:32 fabio_t        ok thank you anyway
16:32 fabio_t        chris_n++
16:33 chris_n        np
16:33 wizzyrea       trea++
16:36 * magnuse      finds http://www.smalldemons.com/ intriguing...
16:52 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7323] Javascript error when editing list <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7323>
16:53 libsysguy      general question
16:53 libsysguy      it looks like matching is working
16:53 jcamins        Probably not.
16:53 jcamins        ^^ general answer
16:53 libsysguy      then there is a non-mapable unicode char
16:54 libsysguy      and then it looks like it bails out
16:54 libsysguy      anybody have exp with this
16:54 jcamins        libsysguy: matching can't handle Unicode?
16:55 * libsysguy    shrugs
16:55 libsysguy      that almost looked like a rethorical question there
16:56 jcamins        libsysguy: never encountered that before.
16:56 libsysguy      jcamins http://paste.koha-community.org/137?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21
16:56 jcamins        What do you mean, "non-mappable"?
16:56 jcamins        Oh.
16:56 jcamins        Yeah, I've seen that.
16:56 * jcamins      looks for the silver lining.
16:57 libsysguy      crapple
16:57 * jcamins      is unable to find it.
16:57 jcamins        \xE3 is MARC-8.
16:57 libsysguy      EEEEFFFFFFFF
16:57 jcamins        Where you using Voyager or ALEPH?
16:57 jcamins        *Were
16:58 libsysguy      umm never...but we did use something called D...something
16:58 jcamins        Hm. Well, whichever ILS you were on, add it to the list of ILSes that do a lousy job with character sets.
16:58 libsysguy      haha
16:59 * jcamins      waits for druthb to pop up and contribute that the list already includes "all of them."
16:59 libsysguy      so does that mean we have to go find that record?
16:59 jcamins        Actually, it's a bit worse than that.
16:59 jcamins        It means you have to identify which records are in MARC-8.
16:59 libsysguy      DRA was it
17:00 jcamins        Ohhh. ATLAS.
17:00 libsysguy      haha
17:01 jcamins        Yeah, so you have to figure out which records are in MARC-8, and fix them.
17:01 libsysguy      hmm
17:01 jcamins        If you want I can tell you how I handled this issue.
17:01 jcamins        With the proviso that it will make you weep.
17:01 wizzyrea       github++
17:02 jcamins        And I can't be held responsible for that.
17:02 jcamins        github++ # what are we praising it for?
17:02 libsysguy      haha yeah I'd love to see your solution
17:02 wizzyrea       for existing and not sucking.
17:02 jcamins        wizzyrea: ah.
17:02 jcamins        So, my solution ended up being the following: convert entire catalog to MARCXML.
17:03 jcamins        Run it through a script that did a global find and replace for every single valid MARC-8 diacritic.
17:03 jcamins        Open up in MarcEdit. Convert to UTF-8.
17:03 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #550: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/550/
17:03 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 7216 - koha-restore does not correctly set home
17:03 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 7225 - "Delete all items" should be greyed out when a title has no items
17:03 jcamins        Convert to binary MARC.
17:03 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7216 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , koha-restore doesn't set HOME
17:03 jcamins        Upload.
17:03 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7225 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Delete all items" should be greyed out when a title has no items
17:03 jenkins_koha   Starting build 551 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 18 j ago)
17:04 cait           hey #koha
17:04 chris_n        heya cait
17:04 libsysguy      you're right...tears...not becuase of the process but because the catalog is 800 mb
17:04 chris_n        lunchtime
17:04 wizzyrea       pff
17:04 jcamins        libsysguy: for an example sanitization script intended for something outputting to LaTeX: https://github.com/jcamins/cataloggen/blob/master/sanitize.pl
17:04 wizzyrea       800Mb
17:04 cait           libsysguy: still problems?
17:05 libsysguy      yeah diacritics
17:05 cait           oooh
17:05 jcamins        wizzyrea: actually, I think that's the same size as yours, more-or-less.
17:05 cait           did you select utf-8?
17:05 cait           is your data in utf-8?
17:05 jcamins        cait: it turns out it's much worse than that.
17:05 cait           uoh
17:05 wizzyrea       mmm last time I checked the db was close to 8GB
17:05 jcamins        His data is in character set "mess."
17:05 jcamins        wizzyrea: that's your db.
17:05 cait           jcamins: ouch
17:05 jcamins        He's talking about 800MB worth of *MARC*.
17:05 wizzyrea       without the actionlogs
17:05 * cait         sends cookies to libsysguy
17:05 libsysguy      thanks cait
17:06 wizzyrea       that may be true
17:06 libsysguy      and yeah my computer ends up hating me
17:06 jcamins        Fortunately for him, his DB isn't as large as NEKLS'.
17:06 wizzyrea       but- since you left us we've added 5 libs ;)
17:06 jcamins        ;)
17:06 jcamins        wizzyrea: wow, I didn't realize that.
17:07 wizzyrea       4 doniphan county ones, pomona, and burlingame will come in on the 17th
17:07 jcamins        libsysguy: you need to use Perl 5.12 or newer if you want to convert MARC-8 to UTF-8.
17:08 libsysguy      that shouldn't be a problem
17:09 jcamins        I don't know why.
17:09 jcamins        libsysguy: no, but I thought I'd mention it.
17:09 jcamins        It took me a while to realize.
17:10 jcamins        It's not really an issue when you're using LaTeX with composing commands, of course.
17:12 jcamins        oleonard: bold! Daring!
17:13 oleonard       ?
17:13 jcamins        Responding to the demand for step-by-step instructions.
17:14 oleonard       Should I have waited for email #4?
17:14 cait           oleonard++
17:15 cait           for that and in general :)
17:15 * oleonard     grumbles about Bug 4912 not being dead
17:15 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4912 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , After editing private list, user should be redirect to private lists
17:16 cait           zombie bug?
17:17 oleonard       If not undead then never properly dead
17:17 cait           evil bug
17:17 cait           no cookie
17:22 * jcamins      prints a letter on his nice, hand-printed letterpress letterhead.
17:23 cait           oh nice
17:23 wizzyrea       oleonard: have you tried the silver tipped oak stake on 4912
17:23 oleonard       I'm fresh out :(
17:23 wizzyrea       and the crucifix, don't forget the crucifix
17:24 cait           holy water
17:24 cait           and garlic
17:24 * jcamins      has garlic.
17:24 * oleonard     can never remember if we're doing crucifixes these days.
17:24 * oleonard     can't keep up with contemporary vampire lore
17:24 cait           is there a reason we don't have a mailto link for alternate email address?
17:25 cait           depends on the religious beliefs of the vampire I was told
17:25 cait           anyone opposed to adding one? (patron summary page - show alternate emali as link) ?
17:26 oleonard       go for it cait
17:26 cait           I am at it
17:26 cait           on it
17:26 cait           this day was crazy, it's nice to do something that makes sense
17:27 wizzyrea       i kind of hate mailto links
17:27 cait           oh why?
17:27 cait           and we have for all other mail addresses
17:27 cait           only not for that
17:27 wizzyrea       hardly anyone in my system uses a client, and they don't have it setup to where it launches a new message in their webmail
17:27 cait           so I claim 'consistency'
17:27 rafa_saad      hi all... can someone answer me a question? why the field "dates associated with the name" (100d) in MARC21, doesnt appear in opac or intranet (detail or results)? I'm trying to map this subfield, but it still doesnt appear...
17:27 oleonard       wizzyrea: Me too, but it give you a way to right-click-copy the address
17:28 wizzyrea       if we could make it do left-click to copy the address
17:28 wizzyrea       that would be awesome behavior.
17:29 oleonard       rafa_saad: You'll probably have to enable XSLT and edit the XSLT stylesheet to add what you want
17:29 wizzyrea       cait: it's fine if you want to be consistent, I don't have to like it ;)
17:29 wizzyrea       I just think mailto links are confusing in general
17:30 cait           wizzyrea: our libraries like them
17:30 wizzyrea       (it's not a personal thing - consistency is good)
17:30 cait           most of them use something like outlook
17:34 cait           oleonard: I thought it was easy, but now I am confused
17:35 cait           ok, it's me. tired. it is easy.
17:37 * jcamins      figures out how to print on unusual-sized paper.
17:40 cait           hmmmm
17:40 cait           oleonard: what about not showing the gender label when the gender is not set?
17:41 oleonard       Sounds sensible.
17:41 cait           cool.
17:43 adminacct      oleonard, nice answer on the m/l :P
17:50 oleonard       Thanks indradg
17:52 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #551: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/551/
17:52 jenkins_koha   frederick.capovilla: Bug 7251 : Corrects a problem in overdue_notices.pl when delimiter is set to tabulation
17:52 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7251 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Fields are separated by "t" when the delimiter preference is set to "tabulation" in overdue_notices.pl
17:57 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7324] Show alternate email as mailto link on patron summary <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7324>
17:57 cait           thx huginn
17:59 jcamins        What has happened to me? I have become someone who uses the phrase "objet d'art" non-satirically?
18:00 oleonard       Oh no, jcamins isn't keepin' it real!
18:00 jcamins        oleonard: but there's no other term that works!
18:00 jcamins        It's tragic!
18:03 wizzyrea       jcamins: knick knack?
18:03 oleonard       tchotchke?
18:03 wizzyrea       ooooo
18:03 wizzyrea       bauble?
18:04 sekjal         dust-collector?
18:04 * wizzyrea     approves of the colloquial vocabulary level of this channel
18:04 jcamins        And these make it sound like I'm being respectful of people's brik-a-brak collections?
18:04 * wizzyrea     sees nothing wrong with tchotchke
18:05 wizzyrea       collectibles
18:06 jcamins        wizzyrea: "collection of collectibles"?
18:06 jcamins        You see my problem.
18:06 jcamins        Or maybe not.
18:06 wizzyrea       lol
18:07 wizzyrea       you have tempted me with a word challenge
18:07 sekjal         "purdy thangs"?
18:07 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6291] Cart printing truncated in Firefox <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6291>
18:08 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: bug/7285 Use C4::Auth::checkpw instead of checkpw only <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=46831f808610d95af703fc53688c5fa9b5c04fbe> / Bug 7280 - can't place hold without selecting on list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9763a8ec925b8256ccc82c47ec33010601ae1a6>
18:14 jenkins_koha   Starting build 552 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 18 j ago)
18:14 jcamins        Ha! Take that, envelope! Only three tries to get the address printed properly.
18:14 oleonard       Envelope printing is the worst
18:15 chris_n        oleonard++ # for pointing folks to that which they should have figured out for themselves :-)
18:16 chris_n        does koha do envelopes now?
18:17 * chris_n      wonders why folks want to respond off list
18:18 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2346 follow-up (UpdateBorrowerDebarred subroutine removed) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00894ac49544625b83fab7cb242bc3160429b938> / Bug 2346: Remove C4::Overdues::UpdateBorrowerDebarred in favour of C4::Members::Debar... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d059079caf60e1c6796e7a49dc64a900f1238058> / Bug 6740: can add items at ordering/receiving but not re
18:25 fabio_t        see you!
18:26 rangi          morning
18:26 oleonard       Hi rangi
18:27 cait           h rangi
18:27 cait           hi even
18:27 rangi          heya oleonard and cait
18:27 cait           welcome to gbsd :)
18:28 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3385 - Add checkout date and renewal date to display list of checked out items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2177562ecf64a76bb069009358a843bb80e78a41>
18:29 rangi          ill see if me and chrisdothall plus duncan can sign some off
18:29 cait           wohoo :)
18:30 rangi          hmm I wonder why clic want off list replies
18:38 cait           wizzyrea: thx :)
18:38 cait           wizzyrea++
18:38 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4051: adds issuedate column to overdues export <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4f4f88369d52e4ab052af32618f58c1f63a5328>
18:58 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6022: Auth_with_ldap check if categorycode is valid <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0352a8f24ac72b7dfbf84ea3c6f11e2e714708b0> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5604' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aef1dd15fbe37a8a9c30ba4b38f7ecd6c1fea54d> / Fixing typo in image filename which introduced a space causing problems on win32 <http://git.koha-com
19:02 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #552: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/552/
19:02 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 7280 - can't place hold without selecting on list
19:02 jenkins_koha   * alex.arnaud: bug/7285 Use C4::Auth::checkpw instead of checkpw only
19:02 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6740: can add items at ordering/receiving but not remove
19:02 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7280 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Can't place hold without selecting on list
19:02 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6740 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , can add items at ordering but not remove items
19:02 jenkins_koha   Starting build 553 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 18 j ago)
19:06 rangi          bacl
19:06 rangi          s/l/k/
19:06 sekjal         git blame opac/opac-reserves.pl returns only "Nyarlathotep"...
19:07 cait           huh?
19:08 sekjal         it's particularly horrible, eldritch code
19:08 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6530 follow-up for fix Item_Due / Item_DUE in message_attributes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4464a280ce5abdafae2cdeda74ea3633bee3a16d> / Bug 6530: Item Due notice label displaying as 'unknown' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=30b6edc510c449815f78dbe8d410b296ca36ef76>
19:10 wizzyrea       clic is currently using the other koha.
19:10 cait           who is clic?
19:10 wahanui        clic is probably currently using the other koha.
19:11 wizzyrea       colorado library... something i consortium
19:11 wizzyrea       colorado library consortium
19:11 wizzyrea       CLiC
19:11 cait           where did he post?
19:11 rangi          yeah was just wondering why offlist, thought it would be useful for others to know too
19:11 libsysguy      jcamins...running script
19:12 libsysguy      *crosses fingers*
19:14 wizzyrea       ok I have a random git question
19:15 libsysguy      i mght be able to git a random answer
19:15 wizzyrea       lets say I have a commit that has sensitive data in it
19:15 wizzyrea       but I have a further commit that fixes it
19:15 wizzyrea       how do I get rid of the history?
19:15 rangi          ahh
19:16 rangi          its not easy to do, you havent pushed it anywhere have you?
19:16 wizzyrea       >.< yea
19:16 wizzyrea       i suppose I could nuke the whole repo
19:16 rangi          yup
19:16 wizzyrea       fair enough
19:16 rangi          if you have pushed it to a computer you do have shell access too, its probably the only way
19:16 rangi          do=dont
19:17 wizzyrea       k
19:17 wizzyrea       it's all good, there's really no reason not to nuke ti
19:17 rangi          http://help.github.com/remove-sensitive-data/
19:17 wizzyrea       hehe yea I saw that - but I thought that was a bit nuclear wanted to know if there was a different way
19:17 rangi          not that i know of
19:18 wizzyrea       sometimes the answer is just the answer
19:18 wizzyrea       even if you don't like it ;)
19:24 rangi          ohhh 160!
19:24 chris_n        @quote add <wizzyrea> sometimes the answer is just the answer... even if you don't like it ;)
19:24 huginn`        chris_n: The operation succeeded.  Quote #169 added.
19:25 * wizzyrea     throws confetti for #160
19:26 * chris_n      runs hard to keep up with paul_p
19:28 cait           chris_n: the debar thing is dependent on the fine in days thing
19:28 cait           chris_n: only to explain
19:29 * magnus_afk   cheers for #160!
19:29 jenkins_koha   Starting build 13 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
19:29 cait           hey
19:29 cait           it's a magnuse!
19:29 magnus_afk     just passing through...
19:29 cait           ah
19:29 chris_n        cait: ok, maybe add that to a comment on the bug
19:29 cait           and gbsd fun?
19:29 magnus_afk     no time... :-(
19:29 cait           chris_n: meh, now I have to search for the bug number
19:29 chris_n        "STILL UNSTABLE".... *sigh*
19:29 cait           :P
19:29 cait           *sigh*
19:30 chris_n        hehe
19:30 chris_n        sorry
19:30 cait           long day.
19:30 * chris_n      hands out chocolate donuts
19:30 rangi          i think liz was right with the commit that caused the sql helper(and therefore members) tests to fail
19:30 magnus_afk     wizzyrea++
19:31 rangi          and im glad my making jenkins whine is getting hte desired response :)
19:31 magnus_afk     paul_p++ http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/gbsd/gbsd7/hourlystatus-gbsd7.txt
19:31 sekjal         SQLHelper--
19:31 magnus_afk     rangi++
19:31 rangi          the behaviour changed, so the tests need to change
19:31 chris_n        SQLHelper--
19:31 rangi          ill look at it now
19:32 chris_n        SQLHelper-- # and again just to make the point
19:32 sekjal         rangi:  tests 15 and 18, as I recall.
19:32 rangi          yup
19:32 sekjal         which look to be returning results when they shouldn't
19:32 wizzyrea       I thought we were getting rid of SQLHelper
19:32 wizzyrea       I do know that the searching behavior changed
19:32 rangi          eventually
19:32 sekjal         that's my personal goal
19:32 rangi          but not today
19:32 wizzyrea       it brings back a lot more inclusive results than it used to
19:33 wizzyrea       = mostly bad, but sometimes good
19:33 rangi          yup
19:33 * magnus_afk   wanders off again to take the chicken out of the oven
19:33 wizzyrea       please tell me you remembered to take the feathers off this time.
19:33 * chris_n      looks over magnus_afk's shoulder
19:33 * wizzyrea     laughs evilly
19:35 indradg        guys... can I ask a slight non-Koha and more Zebra question over here?
19:35 wizzyrea       we'll always *try* to answer
19:35 indradg        wizzyrea, thanks! :)
19:36 indradg        ok... here is what I need to do... I have a proprietary system hosting ~150000 titles
19:37 indradg        the system has a z39.50 and can otherwise export MARC21 records
19:38 indradg        I wish to allow other non-connected (to the Internet) systems running Koha 3.4.x the ability to use these records for copy cataloging
19:38 rangi          yup
19:39 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Adding Adrien Saurat as 161th committer. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a48660d4caf93b149916c7d6e5f80fde57c0c492> / Bug 6893 : Updates suggestions list when adding orders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=28ef6c199bac6bc4064c857f24957081c88ed174>
19:39 rangi          you can make another zebra db, import the files in there
19:39 wizzyrea       there is network between them or no?
19:39 rangi          then connect to it with koha z3950
19:39 indradg        what I'm thinking - can I run a standalone Zebra server (on these non-connected systems running Koha) without conflicting with Koha's existing DB
19:39 rangi          yes
19:39 rangi          same server
19:39 indradg        wizzyrea, no network
19:39 rangi          different db
19:39 wizzyrea       k that was what I thought
19:39 rangi          just dont call the db biblios
19:39 rangi          or authorities
19:39 wahanui        authorities are searching fine, but biblios are not.
19:39 wizzyrea       forget authorities
19:39 wahanui        wizzyrea: I forgot authorities
19:40 rangi          and the same zebraserver can serve them just fine
19:40 rangi          that make sense?
19:40 rangi          you could run another instance if you wanted, but you dont have to
19:40 indradg        rangi, wizzyrea, wahanui so essentially in koha's client target params - localhost:<same_port> only diff db ?
19:40 rangi          exactly
19:41 wizzyrea       ^^ what he said
19:41 rangi          you might want to put a username password on
19:41 rangi          too
19:41 rangi          but not needed
19:42 indradg        \m/
19:43 rangi          161!
19:44 cait           hm?
19:45 rangi          developers
19:45 wahanui        developers are the ones primarily interested in plumbing
19:45 rangi          asaurat is 161
19:45 cait           ah nice
19:46 cait           and fixing a bad bug too
19:49 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6908 - increase DEBUG level for *NOISY* Dates.pm init() messages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=924ce3697dc97767f8d2261552da336afb1552ee>
19:50 wizzyrea       forget developers
19:50 wahanui        wizzyrea: I forgot developers
19:50 oleonard       Yeah, to heck with 'em.
19:50 wizzyrea       developers is <reply> the brains that make your ILS go. Give them cookies.
19:50 wizzyrea       developers?
19:50 wahanui        the brains that make wahanui's ILS go. Give them cookies.
19:50 cait           lots of cookies
19:50 wizzyrea       good enough.
19:51 wizzyrea       forget developers
19:51 wahanui        wizzyrea: I forgot developers
19:51 cait           ooh
19:51 wizzyrea       developers is <reply> the brains that make Koha go. Give them cookies. Lots of cookies.
19:51 cait           heh
19:51 cait           wizzyrea+
19:51 cait           wizzyrea++ and wahanui++
19:53 rangi          developers?
19:53 wahanui        the brains that make Koha go. Give them cookies. Lots of cookies.
19:53 cait           @karma wahanui
19:53 huginn`        cait: Karma for "wahanui" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7.
19:55 rangi          karma for cait?
19:55 wahanui        cait has karma of 158
19:55 rangi          @karma cait
19:55 huginn`        rangi: Karma for "cait" has been increased 204 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 203.
19:55 wizzyrea       @karma
19:55 huginn`        wizzyrea: Highest karma: "rangi" (452), "oleonard" (380), and "gmcharlt" (270).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-106), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-37).  You (wizzyrea) are ranked 4 out of 1831.
19:55 rangi          karma for rangi?
19:55 wahanui        rangi has karma of 217
19:55 cait           paul_p: still around?
19:56 cait           hm
19:56 wizzyrea       @karma wizzyrea
19:56 huginn`        wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 267 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 267.
19:56 wizzyrea       omg, closing in on gmcharlt.
19:56 cait           shouldn't we count 3.07.0 now?
19:56 cait           4574 $DBversion = "3.06.02.001";
19:56 wizzyrea       how can that even be possible
19:56 cait           and why is the latest number
19:56 cait           74 $DBversion = "3.06.02.001";?
19:56 cait           in master
19:56 rangi          yeah master should be 3.07.00.XXX i would have thought?
19:57 oleonard       wizzyrea: You're putting in the hours, that's how
19:57 jcamins        @karma jcamins
19:57 huginn`        jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 120 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 119.
19:57 cait           me too
19:59 cait           added a coment to 6530
19:59 rangi          Search In Table columns filter firstname title limit Valjean not in other fields than surname
19:59 rangi          right
20:00 cait           ?
20:00 rangi          thts one of the failing tests
20:00 cait           i have no idea what it's trying to do
20:00 rangi          search on valjean
20:00 rangi          but not in surname
20:00 rangi          so it should get no results
20:01 cait           hm
20:01 wizzyrea       cait: I had the same problem.
20:01 cait           is that even posssible?
20:01 rangi          its getting one tho
20:01 rangi          not anymore its not
20:01 cait           to search only in surname?
20:01 wizzyrea       maybe it's just a bad test and needs to go away
20:01 cait           can't remember it ever was?
20:01 rangi          sqlhelper cait
20:01 rangi          not members
20:01 rangi          it was possible
20:01 cait           k
20:02 rangi          changing_behaviour_and_not_changing_tests--
20:02 rangi          just to balance it out ... its not all sql helpers fault :)
20:02 wizzyrea       hehe
20:05 sekjal         rangi: how is surname getting searched if it's not explicitly included in the columns list?
20:06 rangi          im not sure it is
20:07 rangi          im just working out it
20:07 rangi          borrowers=SearchInTable("borrowers",["Valjean",{firstname=>"Jean"}],undef,undef,[qw(borrowernumber)],[qw(firstname title)]);
20:07 rangi          #ok(@$borrowers==0, "Search In Table columns filter firstname title limit Valjean not in other fields than surname ");
20:07 rangi          should get 0 results
20:07 rangi          it gets 2
20:07 sekjal         change between "and" and "or"?
20:07 wahanui        sekjal: that doesn't look right
20:07 rangi          i suspect so
20:07 sekjal         instead of "Valjean" AND "firstname = "Jean", it's doing the OR
20:08 sekjal         which would work
20:08 sekjal         odd, though
20:08 sekjal         since the change that Members searching required was to change "OR" to "AND" (other direction)
20:08 rangi          yep
20:10 rangi          ill track it down
20:10 rangi          SELECT borrowernumber from borrowers WHERE ((( borrowers.firstname = ?  OR  borrowers.title = ? ))) OR ((( borrowers.firstname = ? )))  Valjean,Valjean,Jean
20:10 rangi          that or
20:11 sekjal         that would do it
20:13 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #553: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 10 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/553/
20:13 jenkins_koha   * nengard: bug 5604 additional icons in the Seshat icon set
20:13 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 2346: Remove C4::Overdues::UpdateBorrowerDebarred in favour of C4::Members::DebarMember
20:13 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Bug 2346 follow-up (UpdateBorrowerDebarred subroutine removed)
20:13 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 3385 - Add checkout date and renewal date to display list of checked out items
20:13 jenkins_koha   * adrien.saurat: Bug 4051: adds issuedate column to overdues export
20:13 jenkins_koha   * cnighswonger: Fixing typo in image filename which introduced a space causing problems on win32
20:13 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5604 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , additional icons for the Seshat set
20:13 jenkins_koha   * dpavlin: Bug 6022: Auth_with_ldap check if categorycode is valid
20:13 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2346 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , consolidate duplicate methods C4::Overdues::UpdateBorrowerDebarred and C4::Members::DebarMember
20:13 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3385 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add checkout date and renewal date to display list of checked out items
20:13 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4051 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , add columns to overdues export
20:13 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6022 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, dpavlin, ASSIGNED , Auth_with_ldap check if categorycode is valid
20:13 jenkins_koha   Starting build 554 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 18 j ago)
20:15 rangi          yeah, there are 2 jean
20:15 rangi          jean valjean
20:15 rangi          and jean cocteau
20:15 rangi          so the or will catch them both
20:16 rangi          with the and that query would give no results (obviously(
20:16 * rangi        will remove that test, it no longer tests anything useful
20:17 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3806] Holidays table doesn't order by date correcly <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3806>
20:17 sekjal         rangi:  cool
20:17 sekjal         same with test 18?
20:17 wizzyrea       team++
20:17 rangi          checking but i suspect so
20:18 rangi          hm 19 is ok, its 17
20:18 rangi          Search In Table columns filter surname  Val in exact search not found
20:18 rangi          same thing
20:18 rangi          yeah its gone
20:18 * wizzyrea     cheers
20:18 sekjal         wehoo!
20:18 wizzyrea       rangi++
20:19 cait           rangi++
20:19 rangi          i wonder if chris_n is around?
20:19 maximep        hey guys, I have the exact same problem described in bug 6673
20:19 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6673 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Create Batch Label from Staged MARC Records fails after upgrade to 3.4.x
20:19 chris_n        rangi++
20:20 maximep        is create label batch working for anyone ?
20:20 maximep        in 3.6.0
20:20 wizzyrea       yep
20:20 rangi          chris_n: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327
20:20 huginn`        04Bug 5327: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
20:20 rangi          latest patch on here
20:21 maximep        i guess i'm going to look deep inside to find why it's not working :/
20:21 rangi          should quiet the tests
20:21 rangi          for sqlheler
20:21 cait           maximep: i think there was a patch for 3.6.1 perhaps
20:21 rangi          actually sorry no wait 2 secs
20:21 wizzyrea       there is a patch
20:21 wizzyrea       to fix the labels
20:21 wizzyrea       it's in 3.6.1
20:21 cait           listen to wizzyrea :)
20:21 chris_n        rangi: does the same problem exist on master?
20:21 wizzyrea       but that bug you referenced isn't the one
20:22 rangi          chris_n: yep
20:22 wizzyrea       bug 7207
20:22 rangi          so you could wait for paul to push
20:22 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7207 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Cannot export label batches
20:22 * chris_n      wonders if paul_p should push it there and then I'll pick it up
20:22 wizzyrea       maximep
20:22 wizzyrea       th
20:22 wizzyrea       that was for you ;)
20:22 * chris_n      looks around for paul_p
20:22 rangi          ill try to fix the members one now
20:22 wizzyrea       it's squarely in family time for him I think
20:23 wizzyrea       or sleepy time
20:23 chris_n        @later tell paul_p please push the latest patch on bug 5327
20:23 huginn`        chris_n: The operation succeeded.
20:24 indradg        guys... back to bug ya all some more...
20:25 indradg        say if I create another zebra-mytestdb.cfg.in using zebra-biblios-site.cfg.in as the template (with necessary changes)
20:25 maximep        wizzyrea: thanks, will look into it
20:26 wizzyrea       you must be running on master 3.6?
20:26 indradg        then add a line "generate_config_file zebra-mytestdb-site.cfg.in" into koha-create script
20:26 indradg        then I should be able to automate the my db creation process when I setup a "site" under koha ?
20:26 indradg        rangi, wahanui wizzyrea ^^^
20:27 oleonard       indradg: wahanui is a bot
20:27 wizzyrea       wahanui?
20:27 wahanui        yes, wizzyrea?
20:27 * indradg      facepalms :P
20:28 jcamins        indradg: should be doable.
20:28 indradg        jcamins, ok... lemme test it out
20:29 jcamins        indradg: however, if it doesn't work, I can't troubleshoot at all.
20:29 jcamins        I'm just observing it should be doable.
20:30 indradg        jcamins, np... doable is good enuf ... just wants to sound out if I was possibly barking up the right tree :)
20:30 * indradg      wont chase jcamins with demands for screenshots and video LO
20:30 indradg        :p
20:33 rhcl_away      anybody wanna co-present with me at the Missouri Spring Technical Conference? -on just about any tech subject? http://conferences.more.net/
20:34 * oleonard     would nominate jcamins if baking counted
20:35 jcamins        :)
20:35 cait           bye all :)
20:35 oleonard       Of course for all I know jcamins is all talk. I have yet to see the actual results
20:36 * oleonard     taps his foot impatiently
20:36 rhcl_away      apparently at some conference or somesuch some time in the past year I made a passing comment about saying I might be able to talk about something, and now they want me so submit my topic.
20:37 rhcl_away      I've already presented on Koha at least once at this conference, and a couple of other times at other regional- state-level conferences.
20:39 jcamins        rhcl_away: teaching technology through real-world slavery^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hinternships in library systems departments.
20:39 rhcl_away      huh, yea, that might work as a topic
20:41 rhcl_away      I'd rather just do a display of some cool computers I've built.  I've got one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-PC-Q08R-LIAN-LI/dp/B003MRLGPG
20:42 rhcl_away      which would make an super-duper NAS box w/ FreeNAS, or it would be great as a low-end Koha server.
20:42 rhcl_away      It actually has an ITX MB and power supply
20:44 jcamins        rhcl_away: Mini-ITX? Nifty.
20:45 jcamins        rhcl_away: but how much do you end up spending on it after you've got the entire thing put together?
20:45 rhcl_away      Yep, I put in an ASRock E350M1 processor/MB. Dual core, 1.6GHZ
20:45 rhcl_away      I don't know exactly, maybe $400? less?
20:46 jcamins        Ooh, not bad.
20:46 jcamins        How much RAM did you put in?
20:46 rhcl_away      4GB
20:47 jcamins        ~$400? Very nice.
20:48 rhcl_away      Lets see, $125 for case, $150 for MB/CPU (can't remember exactly), <$40 for memory, $25 for DVD, $60 for HD (pre-tsunami and Thai flood price for 1TB).
20:49 jcamins        $400 it is.
20:50 rhcl_away      check it out, it will hold like 8 3.5" drives.  http://www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2010/09/15/040_lian_li_pc-q08r_contentinside_big.jpg
20:51 libsysguy      jcamins when you say that i need to convert to utf-8 then binary marc
20:51 libsysguy      should I use marcBreaker or MarcMaker
20:52 rhcl_away      I'd think Koha support companies could like use this as the low-side base for a line of Koha appliances.
20:52 jcamins        MarcMaker, I think.
20:52 jcamins        Don't recall off the top of my head.
20:52 jcamins        You could also do it in a script, of course.
20:52 jcamins        rhcl: I'd think that too.
20:52 rhcl           I might as well be here and not away
20:52 libsysguy      right
20:53 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #13: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 24 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/13/
20:53 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Bug 7251 : Corrects a problem in overdue_notices.pl when delimiter is set to tabulation
20:53 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6740: can add items at ordering/receiving but not remove
20:53 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 7280 - can't place hold without selecting on list
20:53 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 7216 - koha-restore does not correctly set home
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7251 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Fields are separated by "t" when the delimiter preference is set to "tabulation" in overdue_notices.pl
20:53 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Bug 2346 follow-up (UpdateBorrowerDebarred subroutine removed)
20:53 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 7225 - "Delete all items" should be greyed out when a title has no items
20:53 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6530: Item Due notice label displaying as 'unknown'
20:53 jenkins_koha   * dpavlin: Bug 6022: Auth_with_ldap check if categorycode is valid
20:53 jenkins_koha   * cnighswonger: Fixing typo in image filename which introduced a space causing problems on win32
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6740 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , can add items at ordering but not remove items
20:53 jenkins_koha   * alex.arnaud: bug/7285 Use C4::Auth::checkpw instead of checkpw only
20:53 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 3385 - Add checkout date and renewal date to display list of checked out items
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7280 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Can't place hold without selecting on list
20:53 jenkins_koha   * adrien.saurat: Bug 4051: adds issuedate column to overdues export
20:53 jenkins_koha   * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 06 Dec 2011 19:23:39 Z
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7216 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , koha-restore doesn't set HOME
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2346 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , consolidate duplicate methods C4::Overdues::UpdateBorrowerDebarred and C4::Members::DebarMember
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7225 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Delete all items" should be greyed out when a title has no items
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6530 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, REOPENED , item due notice label saying 'unknown'
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6022 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, dpavlin, ASSIGNED , Auth_with_ldap check if categorycode is valid
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3385 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add checkout date and renewal date to display list of checked out items
20:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4051 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , add columns to overdues export
20:54 rhcl           I was tempted to drag it to the last KohaCon, but it was my first event and I didn't know what the forum might be like.
20:54 wizzyrea       I think you mean kudoscon
20:54 wizzyrea       that wasn't a kohacon ;)
20:54 rhcl           Yea, that's what I ment
20:54 rhcl           meant
20:54 jcamins        rhcl: did you actually put Koha on it?
20:55 libsysguy      hmm
20:55 libsysguy      i keep getting XSLT errors...CURSE YOU MARC
20:55 rhcl           Actually, I had FreeNAS on it at first, but only as a test (for which it worked fine). I have a new tech assistant and I've got him involved in putting Deb on it and then Koha just as a test too (and training for him).
20:56 * jcamins      is kind of tempted to try.
20:57 jcamins        I guess the question is, could I get a motherboard that would let me hook up four PATA and 1 SATA HD inexpensively.
20:58 rhcl           I fully expect it to go completely normally--but I can pass the results to you when we get it done. It's just finding the time to work on it in between crises.
20:58 Brooke         o/
20:59 oleonard       Hi Brooke
20:59 Brooke         howdy
20:59 jcamins        ("waste not, want not," that's my motto)
20:59 jcamins        Of course.
20:59 jcamins        You can get a mini-ITX MB/CPU compo with a 3.2Ghz triple-core process for $112.
20:59 jcamins        I remember when I got a 700Mhz processor. It was thrilling.
21:00 rhcl           The system board I mentioned above has 4 SATA connectors, but no PATA. It does have and x16 slot where you could install a cheap IDE controller.
21:00 rhcl           an
21:00 * Brooke       drools at the mention of hardware, even if it is deprecated.
21:01 rhcl           oh no, this is current stuff brooke
21:01 jcamins        rhcl: good call.
21:02 Brooke         a 700mhz processor? Not so much...
21:03 * oleonard     had no idea Brooke was a hardware gal
21:04 Brooke         are you kidding, it's made for someone of my intellect. Stuff only fits one place usually, and if I have to use brute force, I'm doin' it wrong. ;)
21:04 rhcl           http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/E350M1USB3%28m%29.jpg
21:05 rhcl           http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/ASRock-Also-Releases-AMD-Brazos-Motherboard-Featuring-E-350-APU-5.jpg
21:06 jcamins        rhcl: what's the single connector by itself?
21:06 jcamins        I recognize everything else.
21:06 NCARMichael    hey, anyone have any idea why my system would suddenly be failing to register patron-placed holds?
21:06 wizzyrea       HDMI
21:06 wizzyrea       I think
21:06 NCARMichael    i did try enabling emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced
21:07 jcamins        wizzyrea: ah.
21:07 rhcl           which one? Not the power?
21:07 * jcamins      hasn't had a TV in so long, he has no idea what HDMI looks like.
21:07 rhcl           Yea, HDMI?
21:07 NCARMichael    and then disabled it shortly thereafter
21:07 * wizzyrea     asks the obvious question "Did you change anything?"
21:07 indradg        what is likely to happen if zebraidx hits the memMax setting while indexing?
21:08 wizzyrea       indexing will fail
21:08 NCARMichael    enabled emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced, noticed it was successfully send me an email, but NOT registering the hold elsewhere.
21:09 indradg        wizzyrea, so what is the approx limit to hit the default 50M limit of memMax ?
21:09 NCARMichael    disabled it, and now i get nothing.
21:09 NCARMichael    no emails, no holds
21:09 wizzyrea       jcamins might have a better idea of that than me
21:09 indradg        jcamins, ^^
21:09 jcamins        indradg: I'm not sure. Never hit it.
21:09 rhcl           http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?model=e350m1/usb3  -- specs
21:10 indradg        jcamins, typical number of records you usually push to the indexer?
21:10 jcamins        indradg: I've never gone beyond...
21:10 jcamins        uhhh...
21:10 indradg        say if you are rebuilding the indexes
21:10 jcamins        Counting NEKLS...
21:10 jcamins        600k?
21:10 indradg        jcamins, fabulous! works for me :)
21:10 indradg        thanks
21:11 jcamins        indradg: usually I'm in the 100k range, but I've gone up to 600k without Zebra exploding.
21:11 rangi          !jenkins build koha_master now
21:11 jenkins_koha   rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
21:11 wizzyrea       the shadow lock file, however
21:11 wizzyrea       you've hit the max on that right?
21:11 jcamins        wizzyrea: oh yeah.
21:11 jcamins        memMax I've never hit.
21:12 jcamins        You'll need to increase the amount of space available for the register and shadow directories.
21:12 indradg        jcamins, any ballpark idea for 200k records?
21:12 * Brooke       edited the wiki for KohaCon11 to include most papers for GBSD. #justsayin
21:13 rangi          and a fix for Members.t now too
21:13 wizzyrea       rangi++ yay!
21:13 rangi          cepting
21:13 rangi          now
21:13 rangi          http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
21:14 rangi          someoone has committed something elst that breaks tests
21:14 rangi          *sigh*
21:14 rangi          bug 5604
21:14 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5604 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , additional icons for the Seshat set
21:14 jcamins        600K records requires about... what, 40GB?
21:14 rangi          skipped qa
21:14 jcamins        indradg: I'd set it to 40GB, if you have the free spac.
21:15 jcamins        *space
21:15 rangi          and no is failing unit tests
21:15 jcamins        indradg: it won't use more space than it needs, no matter what.
21:15 rangi          now
21:15 * oleonard     waves goodbye to all bug-squashers
21:15 * jcamins      is not at fault, he's sure.
21:15 wizzyrea       bye oleonar
21:15 wizzyrea       d
21:15 wizzyrea       woot!
21:15 indradg        bye oleonard
21:15 wizzyrea       lol he really is waiting now
21:15 wizzyrea       <3 that guy
21:16 rangi          Structures begin differing at:
21:16 rangi          #          $got->{/Seshat/archivalDVD.gif} = Does not exist
21:16 * rangi        will do a follow up to fix that
21:16 rangi          unit tests people
21:16 rangi          run them
21:17 rangi          they are actually useful
21:17 rangi          we now know that there is file in staff side, not in opac
21:17 rangi          which is nicer than broken image in the opac
21:17 indradg        jcamins, thanks... i'm in the safe zone then... have enough space there
21:17 rangi          </rant>
21:18 rangi          archival lDVD.gif
21:18 rangi          there is the problem
21:18 * rangi        submits a fix
21:21 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7325] Editing a list generates errors in the log <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7325>
21:23 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #554: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 9 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/554/
21:23 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6530: Item Due notice label displaying as 'unknown'
21:23 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Bug 6530 follow-up for fix Item_Due / Item_DUE in message_attributes
21:23 jenkins_koha   * adrien.saurat: Bug 6893 : Updates suggestions list when adding orders
21:23 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Adding Adrien Saurat as 161th committer.
21:23 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6530 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, REOPENED , item due notice label saying 'unknown'
21:23 jenkins_koha   * mtj: Bug 6908 - increase DEBUG level for *NOISY* Dates.pm init() messages
21:23 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6893 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , Order from suggestion does not remove suggestion from 'accepted' list
21:23 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6908 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , increase DEBUG level for *NOISY* Dates.pm init() messages
21:23 jenkins_koha   Starting build 555 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 18 j ago)
21:29 wizzyrea       we've gotten the so you've nuked the sqlhelper, the members, and the icondirectories fails right?
21:29 wizzyrea       wow, that made no sense.
21:30 wizzyrea       leave off the "we've gotten the"
21:31 rangi          i have patches assinged to bugs to fix all three of those yes
21:31 rangi          2 on bug 5327
21:31 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
21:31 rangi          and 1 on bug 5604
21:31 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5604 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , additional icons for the Seshat set
21:31 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5327] Unit tests required for all C4 modules <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327> / [Bug 5604] additional icons for the Seshat set <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5604>
21:31 rangi          if thats what you were asking?
21:31 wizzyrea       yes, exactly
21:31 rangi          cool
21:31 * wizzyrea     goes to sign off
21:32 rangi          but from now, im not gonna fix stuff like that ... at least not until ive bitched at the ppl who's commits broke it first :)
21:32 rangi          consider this the first and last free pass :-)
21:37 sekjal         thanks, rangi!
21:37 wizzyrea       yes, thanks
21:38 rangi          no worries
21:54 * francharb    is giving a good night hug to Brooke
21:54 francharb      ;)
21:54 francharb      see ya
21:54 francharb      guys
21:54 francharb      ladies
21:54 rangi          cya francharb
21:56 Brooke         doh
21:56 Brooke         @later tell francharb :D
21:56 huginn`        Brooke: The operation succeeded.
21:59 wizzyrea       @later tell oleonard http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/fYHURFZFokU/portal-bookends.html Mhm.
21:59 huginn`        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:59 trea           question about overduerules.pl - if you enable the checkboxes for "restrict" this is going to trigger when the criteria is met yes? in other words, removing the restrict will do nothing for patrons who are currently flagged as restricted
21:59 wizzyrea       right afaik
21:59 wizzyrea       there is no automatic undebar
22:00 wizzyrea       bar?
22:00 wizzyrea       undebar is a weird word.
22:00 wizzyrea       unrestrict
22:00 wizzyrea       reinstate?
22:00 wizzyrea       there.
22:02 trea           gotcha thx
22:13 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #555: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/555/
22:13 wizzyrea       pretty cool info graphic: http://main.makeuseoflimited.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/historyoflinux.jpg
22:27 indradg        i'm trying to connect to my local zebra using yaz-client and running into "System (lower-layer) error: Connection refused", where should I start to dig? koha-conf.xml's "listen id="?
22:35 sekjal         g'night, #koha!
22:53 rangi          bug 7135 rules
22:53 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7135 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , save button options
22:56 wizzyrea       I like that functionality
22:56 rangi          yup
22:56 wizzyrea       in addition to the wtfpl
22:56 rangi          just gonna sign off
22:56 wizzyrea       my librarians will looove that
22:56 wizzyrea       oleonard__
22:56 wizzyrea       oleonard++
22:56 tomascohen     anyonw knows how many members koha and koha-devel have?
22:56 tomascohen     (talking about the lists btw)
22:57 tomascohen     (:-D)
22:57 rangi          i can tell you for the main one
22:57 rangi          2 secs
22:57 rangi          1687
23:00 tcohen         thx rangi
23:00 tcohen         anyone knows about koha-devel?
23:01 rangi          biblibre
23:01 wahanui        well, biblibre is already doing something like this, so perhaps once this tool is complete, it would provide an easier method of maintaining the service you already provide
23:01 rangi          but they will be asleep
23:03 eythian        http://i.imgur.com/4qUif.jpg
23:03 * tcohen       is finishing a presentation for a meeting with all argentinian public universities
23:03 talljoy        eythian : funny
23:04 tcohen         eythian: great :-D
23:04 talljoy        When using the record matching rules for importing marc records what does Koha do when you have two of one of the matchpoints.  (i.e. two ISBN's on incoming record or two ISBN's on record in Koha)
23:05 * wizzyrea     giggles
23:05 wizzyrea       and disappears - later peeps.
23:06 talljoy        and does case matter when importing?  will uppercase title match/notmatch a lowercase title?
23:21 talljoy        boy howdy, i can clear a room.
23:21 rangi          talljoy: i have no idea im afraid
23:23 talljoy        well, i'm going to test this.....
23:44 bag            git-bz?
23:44 wahanui        git-bz is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
23:59 jenkins_koha   Starting build 14 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)