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23:13 Judit good morning
22:35 schuster :q
22:02 francharb ;)
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21:32 Brooke 0/
21:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements
21:17 * chris_n signs off on bug 7167 and head out the door
21:09 chris_n git_stash_drop++
21:02 * chris_n will do that from now on
21:02 rangi just stash
21:02 rangi i never reset hard
21:02 rangi like i said
21:02 rangi yeah
21:02 chris_n :-P
21:02 chris_n but if you 'git am -3 --abort' you end up with changes which have not been committed; if you then do 'git reset --hard HEAD' you end up with untracked files and a messed up index which haunts you forever
21:02 rangi cool, if i get a mess, i just throw the branch away and start again, or just git stash and forget it
21:01 chris_n I'm working on an am branch
21:01 rangi without trying it on a throw away branch first
21:01 rangi i never apply patches or merge or even cherry-pick into my 'clean' branch
21:00 * chris_n wonders if he can just 'git stash' and then forget it is there :-)
21:00 rangi git branch -D my_am_branch
21:00 rangi git checkout where_i_came_from
21:00 rangi git am blah
20:59 rangi git checkout -b my_am_branch
20:59 chris_n and the oracles at #git seem to think that's fine
20:59 rangi what i do
20:59 rangi ahh
20:59 chris_n applying multiple patches and having one bork and doing git am -3 --abort leaves your repo in a very unstable state
20:59 wizzyrea lol
20:59 * chris_n arrives at the conclusion that git am stinks
20:58 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
20:58 jcamins @later tell kf wizzyrea is sorry she bludgeoned your alter-ego. She hopes you won't hold it against her.
20:56 wizzyrea sheesh
20:56 wizzyrea not literally!
20:53 rangi heh
20:53 cait ouch
20:53 cait lol
20:53 wizzyrea yes I beat her!
20:53 wizzyrea gnite cait
20:53 cait night all :)
20:15 chris_n but it is probably my own
20:14 * chris_n wants bad for it to be git's fault
20:13 chris_n *sigh*
20:13 jcamins rangi: I think we may have observed this before.
20:13 * chris_n zips up the broken repo for posterity and clones up a new one
20:09 jcamins rangi: agreed.
20:08 rangi i infer from that email, they dont read well
20:08 cait not sure about 3.6
20:08 cait wizzyrea: ah good, both pushed tomaster though
20:07 jcamins Does that "could not find ParserDetails.ini" error on the list imply that they failed to follow the SAX setup bit.
20:06 wizzyrea been marked obsolete tho
20:06 wizzyrea oh no it's on the bug
20:05 wizzyrea supergood.
20:05 cait rangi signed-off this morning :) rangi++
20:05 cait and there are more template issues - my patch fixes them
20:05 cait not on bugzilla I think
20:05 cait paul emoved the " in a follow up
20:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5974 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Bogus auth check for "StaffMember" role
20:05 wizzyrea bug 5974
20:05 cait 5974
20:05 cait 5974
20:04 trea that's what i suspected
20:04 wizzyrea cait++
20:04 trea cait++
20:04 wizzyrea it was an intermediate thinger :)
20:04 trea awesome
20:04 wizzyrea oh there you have it
20:04 jcamins As usual.
20:04 jcamins cait has the answer.
20:04 jcamins Ah.
20:04 cait for which I did another follow up
20:04 cait was a follow up to the bogus patch
20:04 cait you are probably not on master
20:04 cait trea: that has been patched
20:03 jcamins trea: just for fun, run "git status" and see if it locates any changes.
20:02 jcamins trea: probably a good idea.
20:02 jcamins wizzyrea: I agree it would be ludicrous, but that's the conclusion I reach, too.
20:01 trea it's an error on a test install, so i'm inclined to believe that they need to just do another pull
20:01 * wizzyrea imagines that would probably be ludicrous, but has to check
20:01 jcamins What wizzyrea said.
20:01 wizzyrea they're not using EN-GB or something
20:01 wizzyrea is it a translation issue?
20:01 trea hehe
20:01 jcamins :)
20:00 jcamins What?!?
20:00 wahanui confusing is probably "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
20:00 trea confusing?
20:00 wahanui i heard translation was done through the pref files
20:00 jcamins trea: translation?
19:59 rangi yeah me either
19:59 wizzyrea maybe pull again?
19:59 * wizzyrea is looking at that, but I don't see it in my master...
19:58 trea gotcha
19:58 rangi yup
19:58 trea you're saying it should be - [% UNLESS is_child %]
19:58 rangi get rid of the "
19:58 rangi but its a typo
19:58 rangi not me
19:57 trea http://pastebin.com/j6bxtPf7
19:57 trea er, not that
19:57 trea [% UNLESS is_child" %]
19:57 trea anyone encountered this error yet in master while trying to check out?
19:52 * cait now wonders if she does it wrong
19:52 cait to revert the last commit, or similar to go back before that
19:52 cait normally do something like git reset --hard / --soft HEAD^
19:51 * chris_n either
19:51 chris_n weird
19:51 * cait never had to do that
19:51 cait ?
19:51 jcamins I then have to do git checkout master
19:51 jcamins chris_n: git am -3 --abort always leaves me in detached head state.
19:51 chris_n oh well
19:51 chris_n it seems to do this, but it does not appear to reset the index
19:50 chris_n throwing out the changes which are not committed
19:50 chris_n doing a hard reset should (as I understand it) reset back to HEAD prior to running git am
19:48 chris_n doing the abort appears to do a soft reset leaving the earlier patches in place, but uncommitted
19:48 chris_n the problem arises when doing 'git am -3 *.patch' and several apply but a later one borks
19:47 rangi if i have to
19:47 rangi cos then i can get it back
19:47 rangi then git stash
19:46 rangi do a soft one
19:46 rangi ahh i never hard reset
19:45 * chris_n wonders why git am -3 --abort only seems to do a soft reset and then when followed by a hard reset screws up the indexes
19:41 * wizzyrea will ponder this.
19:41 wizzyrea but, would bump news posts even further down
19:41 wizzyrea on our site
19:41 wizzyrea that would not be terribly difficult to do
19:41 * cait is too tired to imagine
19:40 wizzyrea the double column in the single column layout beyond the first post I could do without.
19:40 rangi yeah that is kinda cool
19:40 wizzyrea hmm I rather like limesurvey's site - latest forum posts front and center on the home page, that's rather neat.
19:32 rangi heh
19:32 jcamins rangi: vote for me as dictator of the world, and I'll require that it be so. ;)
19:32 * rangi doesnt help
19:32 rangi so if i run it, it changes everywhere at once
19:32 rangi i want it to be omnipotent
19:31 jcamins What gmcharlt said.
19:31 cait thx gmcharlt :)
19:31 jcamins cait: it can be repeated more than once with no side effects.
19:31 gmcharlt cait: idempotent means that if you repeat an operation more than once, nothing changes
19:31 chris_n :-)
19:30 cait chris_n: not trying to torture you, only not understanding it totally yet and trying to figure out :)
19:30 chris_n if there are outstanding serious issues with the over-all implementation, someone needs to comment to that effect
19:30 cait idempotent?
19:30 chris_n I'm really only signing off on the functionality of the patch series as advertised
19:30 * jcamins thinks that it should be easier to make updates idempotent with the non-linear update mechanism.
19:29 * chris_n could be wrong
19:29 chris_n so far as I know they are harmless
19:29 chris_n and the installer attempt to do it again in the next version series
19:29 cait true
19:29 chris_n ie, sometimes db updates fail for reasons like duplicate keys where a db update was backported
19:29 cait we have
19:29 cait hm yes
19:28 chris_n the updater should be smart enough to catch that, however, we have that sort of issue at present
19:27 cait to the newer stable release, which also has the change
19:27 cait and later people update from that, with the backported change
19:27 cait and you backport it
19:27 cait was an update with the new system
19:27 cait say the fines in days thing
19:27 cait no, that's not what I meant
19:27 cait oh
19:27 chris_n so there should be no issues going from 3.6 to 3.8 I think
19:26 chris_n well, the old updatedatabase.pl should handle all updates up to and including the one which kicks things over to the new system
19:26 cait say you are updating form 3.6 to 3.8
19:25 cait if you have the same update files, in 2 different versions
19:25 cait wanted to ask: how will it work
19:25 cait i see it :)
19:25 chris_n feeding bugzilla
19:25 chris_n yup
19:24 cait chris_n: still around?
19:14 rangi another 4.2 email
19:14 rangi ?
19:14 * wizzyrea is so lost
19:08 rangi done
19:08 * jcamins leaves it for someone else to respond.
19:07 cait rangi: ok?
19:06 cait check my comment ;)
19:06 chris_n and table sorters there
19:06 chris_n maybe a link to the update page
19:06 cait not sure displaying it there and on the other page works well
19:06 rangi ok
19:06 chris_n it needs oleonard's touch
19:06 chris_n as is, that is
19:06 chris_n that will definitely not work
19:06 cait hah! hehe
19:05 chris_n I agree cait
19:05 * chris_n realizes he was on the wrong page
19:03 jcamins And makes sense.
19:03 jcamins cait: looks good to me.
19:03 cait jcamins: and you have to correct me if I didn't make any sense
19:01 cait chris_n: be nice to git!
19:01 * cait gives git a cookie
19:01 cait and comment on it. so.
19:01 chris_n stupid git
19:01 cait jcamins: you have to read it!
19:01 rangi back
19:01 chris_n it appears the indexes are scrambled
19:00 cait ok done
19:00 wizzyrea :(
19:00 * chris_n needed an excuse to clean house so I suppose this is one
19:00 chris_n oh well
18:59 chris_n only my 5 year old working repo is now throughly busted
18:59 wizzyrea troubles?
18:59 chris_n git has got up and got out
18:59 * chris_n groans
18:58 jcamins Or list. :P
18:58 jcamins On the bug.
18:58 jcamins Just summarize your feedback first. :P
18:58 jcamins Sure.
18:58 cait can I go to slepe instead?
18:58 cait ...
18:58 cait I saw that coming
18:58 * jcamins nominates cait to offer feedback on the bug.
18:57 jcamins Agreed.
18:57 cait and a link to the overview page
18:57 cait think that number should display there
18:57 cait asking if that patch wroks that way :)
18:57 cait yeah they should
18:57 jcamins cait: stable versions should be assigned version numbers.
18:57 jcamins Yeah, eww.
18:57 cait and my next question - how are we to find out what stable version someone is running?
18:57 jcamins cait: oh, in the About page?
18:57 chris_n then one could sort on status
18:56 * chris_n check to see of oleonard is out of the chair yet
18:56 cait way down
18:56 cait page for
18:56 chris_n cait: it needs a table sorter to be sure
18:56 cait http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6476
18:56 jcamins cait: I'm not looking at the document. I think I didn't understand what you were asking.
18:56 cait pretty soon
18:55 cait I am only saying it display there, will only blow up the page and make it unreadable
18:55 cait then I can check the databse thing
18:55 cait but
18:55 cait I know
18:54 jcamins cait: because you might apply patches out of order.
18:54 cait why not show the last patch successfully applied only?
18:54 cait hm looking at page 4 - will this display not get to be really really confusing?
18:53 * chris_n successfully screws up his repo royally :-(
18:51 cait cute, but I don't have fish?
18:51 cait hehe
18:51 * chris_n hands cait a penguin
18:50 cait chris_n: you know, laptop at home has linux!
18:49 cait chris_n++
18:47 cait wizzyrea++
18:47 cait thx a lot :)
18:47 rangi ok my stop bbiab
18:47 wizzyrea cait - done
18:46 rhcl p?
18:46 rangi I need to do 3.6.1 stats
18:46 cait oh?
18:46 rangi oh
18:45 wizzyrea ah ok
18:45 cait only missing on the front page
18:45 cait for the biblibre lists
18:45 cait it's on the page
18:45 cait I think so
18:45 wizzyrea koha-translate@lists.k-c.org?
18:45 cait pleease? :)
18:45 wizzyrea :)
18:45 wizzyrea i saw it
18:44 cait I left a note for you ... with huginn...
18:44 wizzyrea hey there
18:44 cait hi wizzyrea :)
18:44 cait lol
18:44 * wizzyrea giggles
18:44 rangi I hate that band
18:44 wizzyrea magnus_afk: k
18:43 wizzyrea take that!
18:43 rangi Hehe
18:43 lizzy hmm
18:43 rangi its lizzy again
18:42 chris_n slick, nice, and other odd and assorted terms indicating excellence
18:41 chris_n coool == cool too
18:41 chris_n opps
18:41 chris_n very coool
18:41 chris_n and function as stated
18:41 rangi cool
18:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements
18:40 chris_n cool, bug 7167 patches apply clean to 3.6.x
18:39 chris_n coolaid tends to run everywhere when not in a package
18:39 rangi even without packages
18:39 jcamins With a lot less mess than unpackaged coolaid.
18:38 rangi but the script is still there as a base
18:38 chris_n sadly, what folks should, is often different from what folks do
18:38 jcamins It tasted like coolaid.
18:38 * jcamins has drunk the package coolaid.
18:38 rangi they should :)
18:38 jcamins chris_n: I know. I'm telling you anyway.
18:38 rangi koha-restore
18:38 chris_n jcamins: not everyone uses packages
18:37 rangi easy with packages
18:37 chris_n or "load from sql file" option
18:37 jcamins chris_n: packages provide restore from backup.
18:37 chris_n option rather
18:37 chris_n and installer needs a "restore from backup" options
18:36 rangi good idea chris_n
18:36 chris_n installer's "Select Default Settings" screen needs a "select all" button
18:36 sekjal with sub-objects for Addresses, Phone Numbers, and Email Addresses
18:35 sekjal Patron Frameworks
18:35 sekjal everyone wants to record different info, and make that display differently, and search on it differently
18:35 jcamins Preferably with fewer blobs.
18:35 rangi its a sunshine and ddub day
18:35 sekjal the more I think about it, the more Borrowers need to become full XML objects like Biblios and Authorities are
18:33 rangi full bus today
18:33 rangi *nod*
18:32 sekjal especially in a serials/e-resources type environment
18:32 sekjal not every library does circ as their primary function
18:32 sekjal yeah, that's probably the best plan
18:32 rangi as an option
18:32 rangi to have a delete expired before some date
18:31 rangi changing the batch deletion
18:31 rangi maybe the fix is that then
18:31 sekjal making things inconsistent
18:31 sekjal which, without care, could by-pass the deleted_borrowers table
18:31 sekjal so any expiry-date based deletions would need to happen manually
18:30 sekjal the current patron batch deleter only works on last checkout date
18:30 * jcamins would've thought that most places were batch deleting expired patrons for privacy reasons.
18:30 sekjal but that's kind of excessive... and it's confusing "deletion" with "archiving"
18:30 jcamins In that case, I see no problem with a syspref.
18:30 sekjal the alternative would be deleting expired patrons
18:29 sekjal ~yes
18:29 sekjal jcamins: I think so, yet
18:29 jcamins What's the problem with showing expired patrons? Librarians are getting excessively long lists?
18:29 rangi expired patrons not shown
18:28 rangi the search page could say
18:28 rangi otoh
18:28 rangi hmmm potentially if ppl forgot they had it on
18:27 sekjal is it a good idea, though, hiding expired patrons? would it create more problems that it, theoretically, solves?
18:26 rangi so dont mind more sysprefs
18:26 rangi I for one dont share peoples irrational fear of choices
18:26 sekjal YASP is Yet Another System Preference
18:25 sekjal worth pursuing, or YASP?
18:25 sekjal enhancement idea: syspref to hide/show patrons that are expired when searching in the staff client
18:25 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (7:00 PM CET on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling).
18:25 cait @wunder Konstanz
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18:24 chris_n @wunder 28334
18:22 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0�C (6:50 PM CET on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Steady).
18:22 magnus_afk @wunder boo
18:21 libsysguy cool outside
18:21 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in Tyler One Weather, Tyler, Texas is 13.3�C (12:18 PM CST on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Falling).
18:21 libsysguy @wunder 75799
18:20 rangi gonna be a nice day
18:19 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 01, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising).
18:19 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:19 libsysguy hi cait
18:19 libsysguy (and girls)
18:19 cait h libsysguy :)
18:18 libsysguy but i guess its thursday for you guys
18:18 libsysguy glad im past the morning
18:18 cait morning :)
18:17 rangi morning
18:17 libsysguy afternoon #koha
18:14 Oak kia ora #koha
18:14 Oak Guten Abend cait :)
18:13 huginn magnus_afk: The operation succeeded.
18:13 magnus_afk @later tell wizzyrea the MARC flavor of the Libriotech demo listed here: http://koha-community.org/demo/ should be normarc, not marc21 kthxbai
18:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7280] Can't place hold without selecting on list <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7280>
18:02 cait hehe
18:01 * chris_n 's teeth hurt now
18:01 chris_n ich
18:01 * oleonard is off to the dentist
18:01 cait I am facing the same problem with a project now - but didn't run into your problem
18:00 sekjal I was just hoping for something quick I could do to make my library happy
18:00 cait yep
18:00 cait perhaps better spend the time to make the configurable facets in the solr branch working for zebra
18:00 sekjal all this will be solved with Solr, I'm sure
18:00 cait I think starting to rebulid search.pm now is not a good time
18:00 sekjal would be easier, probably to just move 942$c to $y
17:59 jcamins Right.
17:59 sekjal which escalates the time necessary to do the work
17:59 sekjal yeah
17:59 jcamins Sounds like an overhaul of GetFacets is required, then.
17:59 sekjal it's a hot mess
17:59 jcamins Eww.
17:58 sekjal then C4::Search::getRecords builds on that
17:58 jcamins Oh. Hm.
17:58 sekjal C4::Koha::GetFacets
17:58 sekjal jcamins: no
17:58 jcamins sekjal: ah, I thought that Zebra handled faceting.
17:58 sekjal I mean, I could probably specify multiple subfields
17:57 sekjal they're not associated
17:57 sekjal different fields, yes, but not subfields
17:57 sekjal I can't put different fields+subfields into the same facet
17:57 sekjal and the GetFacets subroutine is written poorly
17:57 sekjal it's facets I need to get working
17:57 sekjal jcamins: search is all set now
17:57 jcamins sekjal: right, and I'm confused about why there's a problem after you added 942$c to the itype index.
17:56 sekjal jcamins: being able to do item-type limits in search for electronic materials or serials, and still get results, even if there are no item records
17:56 chris_n I think I've figured it out :P
17:56 sekjal chris_n: not yet
17:55 cait but can perhaps be worked around.
17:55 cait because we don't use it at all as I said
17:55 cait I think i am worried about our setups
17:55 jcamins What's the problem you're facing?
17:54 cait you will have both indexed
17:54 cait yes, but falling back?
17:54 sekjal the 942$c value gets put into the itype index as well as the itemtype index
17:54 magnus_afk chris_n: paul_p left a little while back
17:54 chris_n ahh sekjal: have you tested 7167?
17:54 cait hm.
17:54 sekjal we've done it
17:54 cait falling back I mean
17:54 chris_n paul_p about?
17:54 cait so that will get hard anyway
17:53 cait you can't do that with indexing
17:53 sekjal like serials and electronic materials
17:53 sekjal they want item level itypes for records with items, but a fallback to biblio level item types for item-less biblios
17:53 cait we don't use them at all or set all to NORMAL
17:53 cait wouldn#t for us
17:53 cait not sure mixing and matching always makes sense
17:53 magnus_afk (normarc does items the same way as marc21, in 952, btw ;-)
17:53 sekjal the project I'm looking at requires mixing and matching
17:53 cait that's what I would do
17:53 cait you have to check the syspref item_level-itypes too
17:53 sekjal 942$c and 952$y in MARC21
17:53 cait hm yes
17:52 sekjal item type info is in two places
17:52 cait ah
17:52 cait yep
17:52 sekjal but within a flavour
17:52 cait ype
17:52 cait does it already do now
17:52 sekjal that's in tehre
17:52 cait check of rthe marc flavour, build facets accordingly
17:52 sekjal cait: right, I can do it different based on flavour
17:52 cait in Search.pm
17:52 cait you can put a if (MARC21) in
17:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox
17:52 sekjal just the way the code is written up
17:52 jenkins_koha paul.poulain: Revert "Fix for Bug 6291, Cart printing truncated in Firefox"
17:52 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #544: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/544/
17:52 cait but
17:52 cait ah, but not from different subfields?
17:52 sekjal but not 700a, 710b and 720c
17:52 sekjal you can have 700, 710 and 720, all pulling from 'a'
17:51 cait I have done that for a curent project
17:51 cait adding new facets is quite easy
17:51 cait ah
17:51 sekjal it doesn't seem to be able to associate those with different subfields
17:51 cait 414 ('200', 'b', 'type de document', '', 1, 1, 'biblioitems.itemtype', 2, 'itemtypes', '', '', 0, 0, '', NULL, '', ''),
17:51 sekjal while it can take multiple fields
17:51 sekjal but the way the code is written in C4::Koha::GetFacets
17:51 jcamins sekjal: that was a suggestion.
17:50 sekjal no, existing
17:50 jcamins sekjal: new index?
17:50 sekjal but not both mixed together
17:50 sekjal I'm pretty sure I can do it for item-level itypes, or for biblio-level itemtypes
17:49 sekjal I'm trying to add Item Type as a Facet in search results
17:49 cait yep, but not sure about biblio level things
17:49 jcamins Yeah, 995 sounds right.
17:49 cait it's what I normally do :)
17:49 sekjal for items
17:49 sekjal seeing something in there about 995 fields
17:48 sekjal cait: good idea
17:48 cait sekjal: check the framework files for the mappings?
17:48 jcamins I just recall this being a problem.
17:48 jcamins And I'm not an expert.
17:47 * jcamins can state that he's pretty sure UNIMARC does not, but that's not confirmation.
17:47 sekjal can anyone currently in chat confirm that UNIMARC also puts item types in 942$c and 952$y like MARC21 does?
17:46 indradg cait, hi :)
17:45 cait hi indradg
17:45 huginn indradg: libsysguy was last seen in #koha 23 hours, 7 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <libsysguy> cait++
17:45 indradg @seen libsysguy
17:39 jcamins chris_n: looks like libsysguy has figured out how to share his rebased branches.
17:38 cait back
17:32 schuster OK guess I'll have to do some testing thanks
17:22 paul_p OK, it's time to go back home for me. tomorrow morning meeting in AixMarseille universities, I should be back at 2PM (french time, GMT+1)
17:13 jcamins schuster: I have no explanation.
17:12 kf I have to leave - and still hoping only the help text is confusing there!
17:11 jcamins kf: yeah, that doesn't seem right.
17:08 kf scary thought
17:08 kf jcamins: seems unlikely the zebraqueue can''t deal with deletes?
17:07 oleonard schuster: The same it true for deletions. I don't think it's something to be too worried about
17:07 paul_p chris_n, yep, that hurts. and in France, libraries are complaining their audience is going lower and lower... maybe this explain that... (you don't want me ? OK, I won't annoy you anymore, and never come back)
17:04 schuster That is from the documentation page.
17:04 schuster Important It is important to rebuild your zebra index immediately after merging records. If a search is performed for a record which has been deleted Koha will present the patrons with an error in the OPAC.
17:04 jenkins_koha Starting build 544 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 12 j ago)
17:03 jcamins schuster: it calls for a full reindex? That doesn't seem quite right.
17:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen (SIP2)
17:03 jenkins_koha paul.poulain: Bug 7272 setting NULL to debarred field, to avoid having 0000-00-00
17:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #543: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/543/
17:02 oleonard schuster: indexing should be running regularly anyway
17:02 schuster so how does the merge feature in 3.4/6 work with those that are hosted? If you do merges then the hosting company has to reindex everything for you? Do you do merges once a month or how are you handling that? Refering to the docs on merge at the end says you must reindex
17:01 kf especially during exams / end of semester
17:00 kf people here tend to pay fines if they get to keep the books
17:00 chris_n ok, lunch....
16:53 * magnuse has never heard of libraries in norway doing that
16:52 chris_n especially with papers due, etc...
16:52 chris_n wow... that hurts
16:51 paul_p chris_n, right. Usual behaviour in academic libraries (and many public) is : "you're 7 days late, you cant check out for 7 days"
16:51 reiveune bye
16:51 kf thx :)
16:51 paul_p kf, OK, will do an OOo/PDF document
16:49 kf yep
16:49 chris_n "the other thing..." being M$
16:49 kf chris_n: afaik yes
16:49 chris_n lol
16:49 kf paul_p: could you plz do a pdf this time too? OOo is a bit hard if you have to use the other thing...
16:48 chris_n fines in days == debarment rather than $$$?
16:48 kf paul_p: it's not something we do here at all - might be similar for other places
16:48 wahanui OK, chris_n.
16:48 chris_n wahanui: paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee.
16:48 kf paul_p: I never heard about fines in days before seeing your development
16:47 wahanui chris_n: I forgot paul_p
16:47 chris_n wahanui: forget paul_p
16:47 kf paul_p: I think that would be great
16:47 kf I only made sure it doesn't break things we use .)
16:47 chris_n hehe
16:47 wahanui paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall.
16:47 chris_n paul_p?
16:47 * chris_n either
16:47 kf I don't understand how it works in parts
16:47 kf I can't really
16:46 chris_n kf: would you work up an email to the dev and user list regarding this?
16:46 paul_p with some screenshots.
16:46 paul_p I could write an OOo document about that
16:46 paul_p agreed.
16:46 chris_n yup
16:46 kf but we need to document how it works
16:46 paul_p kf, my concern here is that it will be *hard* to keep 2 versions of the debarred field behaviour
16:46 kf yeah, I think it's ok
16:45 chris_n I tend to agree with paul_p on the syspref thought
16:45 kf paul_p: not instisting on one - although we disagree about sysprefs :)
16:45 kf chris_n: hehe yes
16:45 chris_n kf: perhaps a huge, red banner warning when the webinstaller runs for the update :-)
16:45 paul_p kf, no (for a syspref to have it or no) ! that would add more risk of instability
16:45 kf I really don't like that bug
16:44 kf it also broke tests
16:44 kf and I really really hope no more problems appear with it
16:44 kf but we should document it's a major change
16:44 chris_n agreed
16:44 kf orperhaps we can cover it with one of nicole's videos and release notes
16:44 paul_p chris_n, about fine in days = maybe also ask koha@ ML
16:44 chris_n which means asap
16:44 kf we could make it a system preference
16:44 kf so perhaps we have to backport fines in days...
16:43 chris_n paul_p: I'm agree that if we are going to implement the db update enh, we need to do it while the branches are in sync
16:43 chris_n maybe this should be written up and posted to the dev list for some discussion
16:42 kf so basically, it hasn't been repaired since release of 3.2
16:42 kf yeah, it is in 3.2
16:42 paul_p (kf maybe you're right for 3.2)
16:42 kf only not working
16:42 wahanui i heard the field was mandatory or not
16:42 kf the field
16:42 kf I think fines in days is even in 3.2!
16:42 kf the code was not submitted - sorry to say that
16:41 kf paul_p: it was reported it didn't work
16:41 paul_p s/supposed/announced/
16:41 paul_p chris_n, => all french libraries, and many european others *need* this feature, that was supposed to be in 3.4 !
16:41 kf you were able to configure fines in days in the circ matrix, but nothing more than that
16:41 chris_n a broken "new" feature
16:41 chris_n ahh
16:41 kf meaning
16:41 kf chris_n: it's a bug because it never worked...
16:41 kf and still worried what we might hav emissed
16:41 chris_n I am predisposed to back port all bugs and would need strong persuasion not to
16:41 paul_p kf, you may be right, that may confuse librarians (ie: debarred becoming a date suddenly...)
16:40 kf paul_p: I am worried it might be confusing - people don't expect htat much of a change with a minor release update
16:40 * chris_n will have to look at the bug
16:40 jcamins Ah.
16:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work
16:40 jcamins bug 6328
16:40 paul_p kf++
16:40 paul_p (here almost all of our libraries have fines in days. That's one of the reason we haven't deployed 3.4)
16:40 kf fines in days != hourly loans
16:40 sekjal 6328 was pretty huge.
16:40 kf chris_n: different feature - fines in days
16:39 * chris_n is puzzled
16:39 chris_n so do we do hourly loans already?
16:39 kf it appears as a new feature there - will confuse librarians
16:39 kf and a lot of changes in the interface
16:39 kf still not sure we caught it all
16:39 kf which is what gave us so much headache!
16:39 kf it changes a lot at api level
16:38 paul_p chris_n, I think it should, as it's a bug !
16:38 kf but fines in days is debatable imho
16:38 kf you wrote you only pushed bug fixes so far
16:38 chris_n back port
16:38 kf into 3.6
16:38 kf no
16:38 paul_p kf what do you mean by 'go back' ? revert ?
16:38 chris_n it should not imho
16:38 kf paul_p: can/should the fines in days go back? I am still a bit worried about that
16:38 chris_n I plan to test the db code today/tomorrow and will sign off
16:37 kf yay :)
16:37 chris_n I think so
16:37 paul_p kf, it seems
16:36 kf :)
16:36 kf so chris_n and paul_p agree now?
16:34 kf chris_n: 7250
16:33 kf reading back
16:33 kf sorry, had to talk to someone
16:24 oleonard Looks like PTFS finally shut down biblios.net's z3950 server
16:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Fix for Bug 6291, Cart printing truncated in Firefox" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7ef4da571cc5451e4922a0ad0f5a2d285d91f77>
16:23 paul_p chris_n, let me kiss you :D That was exactly how I thought "stable" should/could be handled, but many disagreed (was for 3.0 release afaik). The more against the idea is no more in the project, and has sell his company to another US company though, so we should not care ;-)
16:22 chris_n paul_p: we have devil's advocates in english too ;-)
16:21 chris_n mucking around with someone's data could be disastrous
16:20 chris_n talk about potentially unstable code dumped into the stable branch... :-P
16:20 chris_n paul_p: probably the real issue there is the major db schema changes
16:20 paul_p (playing devil advocate here -frenchism suspected-)
16:20 paul_p well, but the feature for circulation already exist, minor ergonomic change, no change if you don't want to use it...
16:19 chris_n but with my Koha Release Maintainer's hat on, it probably won't make the grade
16:19 chris_n well, with my Koha administrator and librarian hat on, it is very desirable
16:19 jcamins Big change from the user's point of view.
16:19 * paul_p think it's debatable for hours...
16:19 jcamins paul_p: new feature!
16:19 paul_p hourly loans for example ? new feature or desirable improvement ?
16:18 paul_p (evn if, sometimes, it must be hard to decide it it's a desirable improvement or a real new feature)
16:18 jcamins There were a few scripts that had to be added to 3.4 to retroactively fix data errors caused by bugs.
16:18 chris_n ie the user does not "see" it
16:18 chris_n paul_p: also, if it is an administrative sort of "feature" ie. new scripts, etc
16:18 paul_p chris_n, gotcha !
16:17 chris_n paul_p: it is a candidate for back porting if it is not a "new feature" and if it offers a desirable improvement on an existing feature
16:17 paul_p well, in fact, i've nothing against this idea, as the new system would handle this case with ease, it's just that i'm uncomfortable with this "new stuff" being in stable.
16:17 jcamins chris_n: you may need to walk him through setting up some of that, since he got much of his git instruction from me, but if you send him an e-mail, I am 100% sure he will do everything he can for you.
16:16 chris_n paul_p: that's why I'm contending for back porting the db improvement
16:16 paul_p chris_n, how do you decide if something must be ported to stable and what shouldnot ?
16:16 paul_p chris_n & kf, right. But how would be deal with a large ENH, from user pov, that would not be pushed into stable ? (like hourly loans ?)
16:15 chris_n a clone of his repo would make switching back if things blew up real easy
16:15 jcamins chris_n: libsysguy regularly rebases hourly loans. Just did it yesterday. He'd be happy to share.
16:15 paul_p chris_n, jonathan & my patch could be squashed, but as there are 2 different authors, I thought it was better to keep 2. The 3rd one is here for sample only
16:14 chris_n right
16:14 kf chris_n, paul_p: not only enhancements require database update, we had bugfixes doing that too
16:14 chris_n bug number?
16:14 kf can I interest you in backporting a fix for stage_marc-biblios? )
16:14 chris_n I'll have three weeks to accomplish the feat
16:14 kf :)
16:13 * chris_n keeps good backups :-)
16:13 jenkins_koha Starting build 543 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 12 j ago)
16:13 kf you will have to be careful with that
16:13 kf updates a lot in your existing circulation data
16:13 kf of columns
16:13 kf changes types
16:13 wahanui hourly loans are indeed on the horizon, that would help you. Patron records can be kept indefinitely (though probably you'd want to archive them periodically
16:13 kf hourly loans
16:13 kf yes, but what I mean is
16:12 chris_n kf: I expect a bunch of data issues as we are some where on 3.5.x
16:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug_6328' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87311ca00e6287022532799f10881366cc55b2ae> / Bug 7272 setting NULL to debarred field, to avoid having 0000-00-00 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=384b9179e0ee916d7bec59dbb86cdee7d2ce0177>
16:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements
16:12 chris_n paul_p: any chance those patches for bug 7167 could be squashed to one for easy pulling with git bz?
16:11 kf and it changes a lot in the database
16:11 kf you might get a lot of pain with rebasing
16:10 chris_n and course related resources
16:10 chris_n easier, even
16:09 chris_n circulating reference items will be easer that way
16:09 magnuse chris_n++
16:09 jcamins chris_n++
16:09 chris_n I may try to put hourly loans into production and test it that way
16:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7270] Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7270>
16:08 * chris_n is hoping to upgrade his production system over the holiday break
16:07 kf and this changes a lot
16:07 kf a system preference with a different setting can sometimes change a lot
16:07 kf circ is a critical module - I think we need more people looking at it
16:06 * chris_n looks
16:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
16:06 kf bug 5549
16:05 kf I think it waits for another sign-off
16:05 chris_n paul_p: so what is the hangup with hourly loans?
16:02 chris_n incidentally, my mother has never drunk coffee, but makes the best pot of coffee I've ever had :-)
16:02 paul_p chris_n, yep, that's also why i've said in my last mail "let's continue on koha-devel"
16:01 chris_n paul_p: this is a stimulating conversation, but I'd love to hear others chime in
16:01 chris_n wahanui is selfish
16:01 chris_n ouch
16:00 wahanui ...but chocolate is finite, we ate it all :)...
16:00 chris_n wahanui: chocolate is the most wonderful thing among food
15:59 wahanui i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.
15:59 kf wahanui!
15:58 wahanui chocolate is finite, we ate it all :)
15:58 kf chocolate...
15:58 paul_p hi chris_n (thx but I don't drink coffee -don't like it-. Just finished some chocolate with nuts though ;-) )
15:54 * chris_n hands paul_p a cup of espresso
15:54 chris_n everyday++
15:52 magnuse holiday is worth a ++ in my book
15:47 jcamins saturday++
15:47 kf we will see about friday
15:47 kf no, only having a bad week so far
15:46 paul_p kf, which day is worth a ++ ? friday ?
15:46 kf doesn't make a lot of difference
15:46 kf ok, today is wednesday... wednesday--
15:46 jcamins Heh.
15:45 kf tuesday-- tuesday--
15:45 kf um
15:45 kf tuesday++
15:44 jcamins Hello.
15:44 bag hi there paul_p
15:44 paul_p hi jcamins & rhcl & other ppl that just wake up !
15:26 jcamins_away chris_n: brave!
15:24 jcamins_away The cat is now sitting across the table from me, winning a staring contest with the window.
15:24 rhcl jacnip?
15:24 jcamins_away magnuse: maybe so.
15:24 magnuse jcamins_away: 'cause it's made from catnip?
15:24 rhcl my TS people are reporting borkened images here too
15:24 jcamins_away The cat (not mine) just hopped onto the chair next to me, and is staring at me.
15:23 jcamins_away Why do cats like my jacket so much?
15:23 oleonard s/?/???
15:22 rhcl s/amazon/?????
15:20 * oleonard discovers there's a city in Ohio called "Washington Court House"
15:20 kf I am very frustrated right now about privacy things... please don't ask
15:20 kf yep
15:20 oleonard kf: That will be true of any external source for cover images won't it?
15:19 kf because amazon can see your ip address... and such
15:19 kf our libraries use it... but it opens a can of worms... because of privacy
15:18 chris_n ditching++
15:18 oleonard If anything is intermittent, it's a glove. A mitten is continuous.
15:18 kf oleonard++ for ditching
15:18 jcamins_away oleonard: So, cover images are broken interglovely
15:17 magnuse lol
15:16 * oleonard is bothered by the fact that the word "mitten" is inside "intermittent"
15:16 oleonard ...if intermittently
15:16 oleonard Cover images are the only thing not broken, and it's starting to look like they're breaking now too
15:15 jcamins_away oleonard: isn't all the Amazon integration broken anyway?
15:13 magnuse s/ends/tends/
15:13 * magnuse ends to agree with oleonard
15:13 * oleonard will say again that it's probably time to ditch all Amazon integration in Koha
15:09 kf and my coworker has too much to do right now, perhaps libsysguy can, he ran into it yesterday
15:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen (SIP2)
15:09 magnuse bug 7272
15:08 kf paul_p: 7272
15:08 kf paul_p: I can't test - that's the problem
15:06 magnuse yeah, or at least be a help
15:05 rhcl google could probably come up with the data
15:04 magnuse would be so interesting to see a pie chart of koha versions actually running somwhere
15:03 magnuse it sure does
15:03 rhcl Well, that version has quite a record of longevity--staying power.
15:02 jwagner oleonard, sounds like the same problem w/Amazon -- some show, some don't
15:00 * oleonard had a report of Amazon covers not showing up just yesterday. Some show, some don't.
14:56 sekjal rhcl: fewer Perl deps in those days, and no Zebra to factor in
14:54 magnuse rhcl: i guess it was more cross platform back then?
14:48 oleonard Hi #koha
14:39 rhcl_away So, uh, who created Koha 2.2.9 for Windows XP?
14:39 sekjal jwagner: thanks for the heads up; we'll keep our eyes open
14:30 jwagner I have a site reporting a problem just within the past day or two. Maybe keep an eye out for it....
14:30 sekjal jwagner: haven't noticed anything yet, myself
14:29 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
14:29 magnuse @later tell wizzyrea re: gamification - seen lemon tree? http://www2.hud.ac.uk/tali/support/proj11_lemon.php
14:28 jwagner Has Amazon been mucking about with their database again?
14:28 jwagner Has anyone noticed a problem in the last few days with Amazon dust jackets? Some are displaying so the link works, but a lot of titles that used to display now aren't.
14:06 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2629] Diacritics not being ignored when searching <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629> / [Bug 7272] Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen (SIP2) <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272>
14:02 paul_p kf, if you want to confirm ...
14:02 sekjal another confirmation would be appreciated, though
14:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen (SIP2)
14:02 sekjal paul_p: I believe we did the database update suggested for bug 7272, and it cleared up our issue.
13:59 Schwitzd the .tt page where are written these information
13:59 schuster sekjal - that's what I was thinking too - but with possibly 20 items on a particular record how would you decide on one for the facet?
13:59 Schwitzd jwagner: nono not jquery
13:58 paul_p kf, if you want/can test patch for 7272, feel free !
13:58 jwagner Schwitzd, do you mean jquery? It's not a page, it's a way to use a command to modify the display text.
13:57 Schwitzd jwagner: you know in with page are written these informations?
13:55 sekjal from my experience, MARC leader data is... iffy. Item types are usually more reliable, because the library defines them, and they have to be explicitly set when cataloging/migrating
13:55 sekjal a cataloger may be able to better clarify
13:55 sekjal at least how I mean it
13:55 sekjal schuster: item type is user-defined, and stored in 942$c or 952$y. material type is the AACR2 value in the leader
13:54 schuster sekjal - item type is not part of the leader is it? just material type?
13:53 Schwitzd kf: you know in with page are written this information?
13:52 Schwitzd kf: sorry but I don't understood with jquery
13:52 sekjal which do y'all think would be a more valuable facet to add to search results? item type, or material type as per the MARC leader?
13:49 kf I think it's perhaps possible... but I get a feeling that it will fail for something else then
13:48 kf jcamins_away: ?
13:47 ago43 good morning!
13:47 kf trying to wrap my head around that (xslt)
13:47 kf library wants me to treat the first 5xx field appearing in the code different than the second...
13:47 kf hm
13:47 kf :)
13:47 kf hi ago43
13:46 kf heh
13:43 paul_p not complaining. I never complain !!! :D :D :D
13:42 kf are you complaining about getting good karma? :)
13:42 kf the sip thing
13:42 kf yep
13:42 paul_p ;-)
13:42 paul_p kf, did I make you a favour like magnuse ?
13:41 kf paul_p++
13:39 kf for a dev install the file should be somewhere in the koha-dev folder
13:39 kf it depends a bit on your installation type
13:37 schuster Then the third was the zebra.cfg limits
13:36 schuster The second error was autohrities/shadow max 1073741824 used 1073739392 available 2432
13:35 schuster The first was mf_write dict-b no more space - but there is plenty of space on the server so something isn't right.
13:35 schuster I tried to reindex last night and received some errors. One of them was to adjust the limits in the zebra.cfg...
13:34 kf schuster: what are you trying to do?
13:34 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7279] intranet print.css width settings causing 'squashing' of columns <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7279>
13:34 schuster where is the zebra.cfg file located?
13:31 Schwitzd kf: thanks I'm reading :)
13:30 kf Schwitzd: you can find examples for jquery in the wiki.
13:30 jwagner (Use-or-lose leave time)
13:30 schuster Good for you!
13:29 jwagner I'm going to be forced to take a vacation before the end of the year. How terrible :-)
13:29 paul_p jwagner, maybe, but it will have to wait for 3 weeks ;-)
13:29 jwagner paul_p, maybe it wants a vacation?
13:29 jwagner That's done through a syspref setting, which is easier/safer than modifying code directly.
13:28 paul_p hello back (why my xchat has been closed silently ???)
13:28 jwagner You can modify the text with a jquery statement -- there's an example in oleonard's post here http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160
13:26 Schwitzd OPAC
13:26 jwagner Schwitzd, staff or OPAC login?
13:26 Schwitzd I want to modify the text but I not able to find the right page
13:25 Schwitzd I have a question about the login page
13:25 Schwitzd Hi to everybody!
11:23 kf but overall good :)
11:23 kf busy
11:23 ropuch_ How about you?
11:23 ropuch_ Good :)
11:22 kf ?
11:22 kf how's things
11:21 ropuch_ Hi kf [;
11:20 kf hi ropuch_ :)
11:20 ropuch_ Hello #koha
10:39 kf at least the proposal is up to date :)
10:38 kf heh
10:06 magnuse will they want the koha version they looked at 6 years ago, or a current version? ;-)
10:06 paul_p (and it's a small library 30k books only)
10:06 paul_p magnuse, right !
10:06 paul_p will this be beaten one day ?
10:06 magnuse well, at least they made the right decision ;-)
10:05 paul_p just for fun = we've just recieved a mail saying a library agrees with our recent proposal to switch to Koha (made 2 weeks ago). What's fun ? the 1st contact with this library was ... in october ... 2005 !!! not kidding ! 6 years to choose their new ILS...
09:42 paul_p thx huginn !
09:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " "
09:41 paul_p (testing huginn) heading to bug 7141 to do some tests...
09:40 magnuse yay
09:40 kf glad huginn is back :)
09:40 kf magnuse++ again :)
09:37 magnuse i'll create wiki pages and send an email
09:37 magnuse yay
09:35 kf should be back from xmas vacationb y then
09:35 kf yeah, sounds good to me
09:35 kf was making tea
09:35 paul_p (only the 3 is already impossible for us)
09:35 kf hehe
09:35 magnuse unless kf objects real soon i think we will nail that date
09:35 magnuse cool
09:35 paul_p jan 6th is the date already booked in our agendas
09:35 magnuse :-)
09:34 paul_p (was 6th december that was impossible)
09:34 paul_p oups, no, made a mistakte, it's OK
09:34 paul_p magnuse, yikes... 6th is a bad date for us. Unlucky man...
09:34 magnuse kf: what do you think about friday 6th january?
09:34 magnuse yeah, lokks like it
09:34 paul_p for january, choose any date, it will be OK
09:33 magnuse so first friday in january is... 6th?
09:33 magnuse my fault for not organizing a date earlier
09:32 magnuse s/ind/und/
09:32 magnuse yeah, completely inderstandable!
09:32 paul_p magnuse, we have automatically the 1st friday set. But we can alway change. it's just that 2 days before, it's hard.
09:29 kf magnuse++ :)
09:27 magnuse paul_p: have you set a date for january yet?
09:27 magnuse so maybe we should decide on one in january too? to avoid these short notices?
09:23 magnuse i think that sounds like a plan
09:23 magnuse yay
09:22 paul_p agreed with you. was discussing with clrh, and 7th is clearly not a possible day for us (except for me, as i'm dedicating half time, so i'll be available to test/push)
09:21 paul_p maybe we will have our day on 2nd, and you organise GBSD for 7th.
09:20 magnuse i don't think the gbsd necessarily has to align with the biblibre day, though...
09:19 paul_p mmm... moving the GBSSD to the 7th... it's a little bit too late for us: ppl have planned things on 7th.
09:17 kf paul_p: ?
09:17 kf no disagreement I think
09:17 magnuse dowe have an agreement on the 7th?
09:15 magnuse and there is always the "in the timezone of your choice" bit ;-)
09:14 magnuse i think 7th is worth a try
09:13 magnuse so i'll just be hanging around the gate for part of it anyway
09:12 magnuse i have a plane leaving at 8pm, and i think the meeting starts at 7pm?
09:12 magnuse well, some of it maybe
09:12 kf so you will not be available for the meeting?
09:12 magnuse yeah, my thought too
09:11 kf we could perhaps grab some of the people from the meeting and make them wrangling bugs :)
09:11 magnuse could be good perhaps?
09:11 magnuse dunno
09:11 magnuse but i would like try another day than friday for a change
09:11 kf is it good or bad to have it on the same day as the irc meeting?
09:11 magnuse but gbsd should not relay on my availability
09:10 kf santa gbsd? :)
09:10 kf right
09:10 kf ah
09:10 magnuse and i will be travelling
09:10 kf or make it 6th
09:10 magnuse there's the irc meeting
09:10 kf hm
09:10 kf perhaps alternating between firday and another day
09:10 magnuse December 7?
09:10 kf we had talked about switching days around
09:09 kf what about next wednesday?
09:09 kf I had asekd the @eightball
09:09 kf ah right
09:09 magnuse hm, i have challenged kf to suggest a date, but she has not done it ;-)
09:08 kf paul_p: ah, he did me a favor :)
09:08 paul_p BibLibre next friday is planned to be one.
09:07 paul_p magnuse, when do you plan the next GBSD ?
09:07 paul_p kf why ++ ?
09:07 paul_p hi magnuse
09:07 magnuse kia ora paul_p
09:07 magnuse yay!
09:06 kf magnuse++
09:02 kf good morning paul_p
09:01 paul_p good morning #koha
08:37 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
08:37 kf @later tell wizzyrea can you please add teh koha-translate mailing list to http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/?
08:34 kf heh
08:33 Oak true
08:33 magnuse now that's what i call a career! ;-)
08:33 Oak cool :)
08:33 kf :)
08:33 gaetan_B Oak: ah not much else to say about me i'm afraid, i've studied library and information science, and then was in charge of a very small library, and here i am working on Koha with you !
08:32 kf welcome :)
08:32 gaetan_B :)
08:32 magnuse welcome gaetan_B!
08:31 Oak gaetan_B, introduce yourself again please :)
08:31 gaetan_B i can't remember wether i have already introduced myself here so far ? i came to ask questions a couple times already : i'm a new project manager at biblibre
08:31 francharb hi kf !
08:31 kf bonjour francharb :)
08:29 Oak hello !! gaetan_B
08:29 gaetan_B hello !
08:29 kf hi gaetan_B
08:20 kf :)
08:19 asaurat sehr gut, danke =)
08:18 kf gut :) und dir?
08:16 asaurat wie geht es dir ??
08:16 kf :)
08:16 asaurat kf: guten morgen!! :)
08:15 kf guten morgen asaurat
08:08 kf god morgen magnuse :)
08:08 magnuse guten morgen kf
07:56 wahanui hi, julian_m
07:56 julian_m hi wahanui
07:56 wahanui hey, julian_m
07:56 julian_m hi
07:55 magnuse Oak
07:55 Oak magnuse
07:52 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:44 cait bbiab
07:44 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.0�C (8:39 AM CET on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.40 in 1029.3 hPa (Rising).
07:44 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:35 reiveune hi cait, everybody
07:35 cait hi reiveune and alex_a :)
07:35 Oak hello reiveune :)
07:34 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
07:34 reiveune hello
07:31 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6935] SYStem preference XISBNDailyLimit preference text error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6935>
07:21 Oak morning miss cait :)
07:21 cait morning mr Oak
07:21 Oak ah
07:21 cait but only for another 25 mins
07:21 Oak kia ora #koha
07:21 cait hehe yes
07:21 Oak oh good, cait still at home
07:09 cait evening rangi
07:07 rangi evening
05:45 cait morning #koha
05:07 Oak :-)
05:07 Oak kia ora #koha
03:40 F3RHD ey aarkerio you there
03:40 AmitG heya rangi
03:07 wizzyrea !
03:07 wizzyrea hehe@
03:06 rangi one for spud
03:06 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmfB3EiAFk&feature=related
03:06 wizzyrea wh I totally get.
03:05 wizzyrea is so true
03:05 rangi theres nothing you cant find on the internet
03:05 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNP-yVn1IXE&feature=related
03:04 * Oak memorizes the pronunciation for the presentation, bookmarks the links, and goes back to sleep
03:04 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDa_472Pi1w&feature=related
03:04 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSfhv3Ryp8s
03:03 rangi probably :)
03:03 wizzyrea I suspect that your boot an my boot sound different ;)
03:02 rangi :)
03:02 wizzyrea ho ro fen oo ah, for the midwesterners :)
03:02 Oak and wizzyrea :)
03:02 Oak thank you rangi :)
03:02 rangi ho ro fen u a
03:02 rangi horo fen u a
03:02 Oak oh cool
03:01 Oak Horowhenua = Horo-new-a ?
03:01 rangi http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Pronouncing-Horowhenua-td3229083.html
03:01 wizzyrea (dialect, even)
03:01 wizzyrea based on that, it sounds to me like "keh teh" (now, that's with a regionless midwestern dialec)
03:00 rangi roll the r
03:00 Oak oh thanks.
03:00 rangi its a long sound
03:00 rangi if they have a macron
03:00 rangi you are right
03:00 rangi or italian, or japanese
03:00 rangi if you pronounce the vowels as if they were spanish
02:59 rangi you click on the letters to hear
02:59 jcamins_away wizzyrea: well, at least you're honest about how we pronounce it. ;)
02:59 rangi http://www.korero.maori.nz/forlearners/basics/pronunciation.html
02:59 * wizzyrea has listened to jransom say it a zillion times, and I still can't get it right (kete)
02:58 rangi 2 secs
02:58 wizzyrea wrong
02:58 Oak good. and what about "Horowhenua"
02:58 wizzyrea someoe can correct me if that's wront
02:58 Oak ah
02:58 Oak like cait?
02:58 wizzyrea keh teh, or kitteh
02:58 jcamins_away :P
02:58 jcamins_away Kete.
02:57 Oak how do we pronounce Kete?
02:57 Oak kia ora #koha
02:55 jenkins_koha f.demians: 3.6.1 Translation Update
02:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #6: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/6/
02:50 wizzyrea keke
02:49 jcamins_away :P
02:49 jcamins_away If you don't watch out, she'll grammar you!
02:48 wizzyrea O.O
02:48 jcamins_away wizzyrea's in a dangerously magical mood.
02:47 * wizzyrea doesn't have faebook open at the mo
02:47 wizzyrea must have been him then.
02:47 rangi i think indradg
02:47 jcamins_away indradg is the one who told me.
02:46 wizzyrea or indradg - can't remember which
02:46 rangi they arent doing their members any favours
02:46 jcamins_away Along with an arm to bludgeon them with it.
02:46 rangi yeah
02:46 wizzyrea amit said something on facebook about it
02:46 jcamins_away Someone should send them a cluebat.
02:46 rangi that explains it
02:46 rangi ahhh
02:46 jcamins_away rangi: apparently Delnet is pushing 2.2.9 pretty hard.
02:44 wizzyrea umya
02:44 rangi its a pretty crazily bad idea
02:43 rangi it appears india have stumbled onto the windows download page
02:43 wizzyrea waht is with all of the 2.2.9 stuff?
02:42 chrisdothall hahaha
02:42 rangi i installed 2.2.9 .. then i used my slate to write some notes, while ugg hunted bison
02:42 rangi another 2.2.9
02:13 jenkins_koha Starting build 6 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
00:01 wizzyrea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNIg-daZZV8&feature=related damn you.