Time  Nick           Message
23:59 wizzyrea       yea that one's more cute
23:59 * jcamins      finds the hamster ball funnier.
23:58 wizzyrea       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3HBZC-AY8&feature=related this one requires a new metric
23:58 * jcamins      watches the kitten on the slide.
23:57 chris_n        hehe
23:56 wizzyrea       that is pretty funny
23:56 jcamins        Maybe five.
23:55 jcamins        chris_n: and this is about four gigglebytes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=go43XeW6Wg4
23:55 * wizzyrea     notes that babies do that too
23:55 jcamins        chris_n: see, this is one gigglebyte: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiz80CuDN8Y
23:55 wizzyrea       spud is in love with my "tabble ett"
23:54 * chris_n      figured wizzyrea would get a kick out of that
23:54 wizzyrea       haha your kid is awesome.
23:54 jcamins        chris_n: gigglebytes are a measure of funny cat videos.
23:53 * chris_n      's 5 year old daughter just asked about "gigglebytes" :-)
23:45 rangi          back
23:28 wizzyrea       very small and cheap.
23:27 wizzyrea       hm there's probably money to be made in very-small-devices-specifically for wireless location within buildings
23:20 * jcamins      makes an impassioned plea for requiring everyone to understand 2NF.
23:16 eythian        heh
23:16 jcamins        - Why MARC must die
23:16 jcamins        * Stream-oriented formats
23:16 jcamins        You'd like my subheading, then.
23:16 eythian        Also in the sense of "would throw it into a river if I could"
23:15 eythian        I would, but I'm like that.
23:15 * jcamins      would, but he's not sure that the heading "stream-oriented format" would make sense to anyone else.
23:15 jcamins        Would you call MARC a stream-oriented format?
23:12 eythian        I suppose if you had a lot of wireless access points, it could work
23:12 eythian        wouldn't be nearly accurate enough inside a smaller building
23:09 rhcl           suppose it could tie into an opac and help patrons find books in the stacks?
23:09 rhcl           http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/11/google-maps-the-indoors-finding-nearest-bathroom-has-never-been-easier.ars
22:42 eythian        I suppose it could be that too
22:42 jcamins        eythian: I did.
22:41 wizzyrea       isn't that the Dexter (from Dexter's Lab) look?
22:41 eythian        wizzyrea: this look? ಠ_ಠ
22:40 eythian        then no :)
22:40 melia          yep. and I just did it again! :)
22:40 wizzyrea       look out eythian, she's going to get out "the look"
22:40 eythian        that depends, did you laugh out loud?
22:40 melia          eythian: are you calling me a liar?
22:40 eythian        I hope you both actually laughed out loud then, otherwise it's a lie!
22:39 melia          LOL
22:39 jcamins        rhcl: lol
22:38 rhcl           probably chicken skin curry. Stuff is heck to chew.
22:38 melia          I always change that and then forget to go eat!
22:38 rhcl           melia must have had a long lunch.
22:37 wizzyrea       :P
22:37 wizzyrea       but yes, I would only eat right handed.
22:37 jcamins        :)
22:37 jcamins        wizzyrea++ # for ensuring that someone is laughing in #koha
22:35 wizzyrea       oh I made myself laugh
22:35 * wizzyrea     laughs at her terribly awfully awful joke
22:35 jcamins        wizzyrea: sorry to bring up bad memories.
22:35 wizzyrea       you should be familiar with that
22:35 wizzyrea       naw, I type this fast with one hand
22:35 * jcamins      realizes that he's never actually seen a picture of it.
22:34 eythian        I don't know, though it seems plausible.
22:34 jcamins        eythian: yeah, but wizzyrea has one too, doesn't she?
22:34 eythian        mm chicken skin.
22:34 eythian        jcamins: I only have one right hand.
22:34 rhcl           Similar thing in Vietnam. Just pointed at something chicken. Nothing but chicken skin. Chicken Skin.
22:33 jcamins        wizzyrea: eythian: hopefully you used your right hands.
22:33 rhcl           I couldn't read the menu, just pointed to something I vaguely realize was dead sheep. It was nothing but bones. Tasty, but bones.
22:32 rhcl           I remember eating something in Thailand at an Indian Restaurant. There are about 700 million Indians living there, and the restaurants are just about 100% India authentic.
22:32 wizzyrea       well more like a spoon really
22:32 wizzyrea       naan = edible fork
22:32 wizzyrea       ^^ that was my understanding
22:31 eythian        actually, where we were in India, the bread was used to make it easier to eat the rest of the stuff with your hands.
22:31 rhcl           Both of you seem highly qualified to be technical writers.
22:30 jcamins        There are, of course, those who do not.
22:30 wizzyrea       with curry!
22:30 jcamins        rhcl: I recommend chewing first.
22:30 eythian        open mouth. insert naan
22:30 rhcl           I have never known quite how you are supposed to eat naan.
22:29 wizzyrea       still!
22:29 wizzyrea       ooooo
22:28 eythian        well, you get a regular naan by default. The 1.00 is for the upgrade.
22:28 wizzyrea       I can get behind that
22:27 wizzyrea       garlic naan for 1.00
22:27 wizzyrea       i rather like it
22:27 eythian        wizzyrea: it's functional :)
22:27 eythian        I'll let you know when fedex/customs finally release my new phone that has been sitting in wellington for the past few days.
22:27 rhcl           I'll starve at 50 minutes.
22:27 wizzyrea       that is the most spartan website I've ever seen
22:26 rhcl           No, I want it delivered in <30 minutes.
22:26 eythian        cos it'll be ready in about an hour :)
22:26 wizzyrea       kekeke
22:26 eythian        You going to come pick it up?
22:25 rhcl           A double order of Beef Vindaloo please.
22:20 * wizzyrea     loves curry
22:20 eythian        Not Safe For People-Who-Don't-Like-Curry
22:19 chrisdothall   hehe
22:19 * wizzyrea     is afraid to click on that link
22:19 eythian        mm hotteenvindaloos.com. It's what's for lunch.
22:08 aarkerio       eythian, thanks!
22:06 eythian        aarkerio: just fyi, your "Manuals" link is 404
22:05 eythian        what's your xpath?
22:05 nengard        and I see 856$3, $z, $u, $y
22:04 wizzyrea       cool ty
22:04 nengard        so i want to see 856$3 for example
22:04 nengard        jcamins it gives me the entire field
22:04 wizzyrea       ooh spicy :)
22:04 aarkerio       sorry:  http://mononeurona.org/entries/view/aarkerio/18247
22:04 jcamins        nengard: it gives you an entire DOM tree?
22:04 eythian        maybe you need to specify xpath that limits to the first one.
22:03 nengard        I have it ask for one subfield but it always seems to give me all of them
22:03 nengard        anyone noticing that the exctactvalue sql function seems to be working different lately?
22:03 eythian        tasty login-requiring link
22:00 wizzyrea       hmm even.
22:00 wizzyrea       mm that link requires a login
21:57 aarkerio       http://mononeurona.org/admin/entries/edit/18247
21:57 aarkerio       this is my info:
21:55 aarkerio       greeeaaatt! thanks a lot!
21:53 wizzyrea       and I see this meets the requirements so I'll add it right now
21:53 wizzyrea       not necessary :)
21:53 aarkerio       should I translate and add the page in english?
21:53 aarkerio       http://www.chipotle-software.com/entries/view/kohasupport
21:53 aarkerio       I don't know if that happened because I have only an spanish  page:
21:52 wizzyrea       you have a link to the message?
21:52 wizzyrea       sorry about that
21:52 wizzyrea       hm, possibly I missed it, that happens sometimes
21:51 aarkerio       hi! two weeks a go I sent an email to Kohal mailing list in order to be added in  http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/
21:41 wizzyrea       though they're yummy without too
21:41 wizzyrea       i mean, they've got marshmallows.
21:40 * jcamins      knows what he'll be doing the next time he has a half hour free.
21:40 jcamins        Uh-oh.
21:39 wizzyrea       http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/smittenkitchen/~3/w5-NEyfo3IQ/ jcamins, this seems relevant to your interests
21:39 maximep        haven't seen the sun here since 2 weeks
21:38 wizzyrea       only a very few clouds today
21:38 wizzyrea       most days are partly to mostly sunny, it's really pretty rare to get a totally clear day
21:38 wizzyrea       clear days in kansas are the best days.
21:37 maximep        alias rain
21:37 wizzyrea       <.<
21:37 wizzyrea       >.>
21:37 maximep        better than 100% humidity
21:37 wizzyrea       hm, not awful
21:37 huginn         wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.0�C (3:34 PM CST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Rising).
21:37 wizzyrea       @wunder 66049
21:36 maximep        good enough, i guess
21:36 huginn         maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is 2.7�C (4:34 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
21:36 wahanui        i already had it that way, huginn.
21:36 huginn         jcamins: The current temperature in Lac Benoit, Quebec is -6.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:36 maximep        @wunder g2g1t7
21:36 jcamins        @wunder g2j0b4
21:36 huginn         jcamins: Error: No such location could be found.
21:36 jcamins        @wunder g29j0b4
21:36 maximep        that has exactly the same stats as Québec
21:35 jcamins        maximep: oh, it wasn't supposed to be Lac Benoit?
21:35 maximep        it seems to picks a random city in Quebec for me :S
21:34 jcamins        Wow! I didn't know it would do that.
21:34 huginn         jcamins: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 5.7�C (9:32 PM GMT on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa (Steady).
21:34 jcamins        @wunder eh1 2ny
21:33 maximep        so broken -_-
21:33 huginn         maximep: The current temperature in Lac Benoit, Quebec is -6.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:33 maximep        @wunder g2j0b4
21:17 cait           night
21:11 huginn         collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 3.8�C (4:09 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Steady).
21:11 collum         @wunder 41017
21:02 cait           wooohoo :)
21:02 jcamins_away   And printed.
21:02 jcamins_away   Done.
21:02 cait           done?
21:01 jcamins_away   Woohoo!
21:01 wizzyrea       amusingly trollish.
21:00 wizzyrea       in a trollish kind of way.
21:00 wizzyrea       ibeardslee: that is pretty awesome.
20:47 ibeardslee     I used to tell people I'd email their updated login password.  A number of them said thanks .. and then called back.
20:46 schuster       Finally someone else understands my pain!!
20:42 ibeardslee     heh
20:42 jcamins_away   Wow.
20:39 wizzyrea       oh my
20:39 oleonard       Just had someone ask me to reset their password... they thought that when I did so their browser's password auto-save would be updated with the new password :|
20:20 rangi          Bbl
20:19 rangi          K better go
20:17 cait           ta :)
20:16 chrisdothall   cait: http://www.tki.org.nz/r/maori/support/support_tereo_1_e.php
20:16 cait           what does it mean?
20:16 cait           hi chrisdothall :)
20:11 rangi          :)
20:10 chrisdothall   fail quoting.
20:10 chrisdothall   Ka kite ano!"
20:10 wahanui        '' are not there, sorry
20:10 jcamins        ''?
20:10 chrisdothall   hehe a canadian just said to me "
20:10 wizzyrea       aww
20:10 rangi          Hehe
20:10 rangi          so annoying his mum
20:10 wizzyrea       *nod*
20:10 rangi          but can't go to school
20:10 cait           :)
20:10 rangi          remarkably well
20:08 wizzyrea       how's wee ata?
20:08 rangi          Hehe
20:07 wizzyrea       what's happenin.
20:07 wizzyrea       that's much better :)
20:06 chrisdothall   heh
20:06 * lizzy        glares at wizzyrea
20:06 * lizzy        has a nickname problem
20:06 rangi          hi lizzy
20:06 lizzy          hi :)
20:06 cait           hi lizzy? :)
20:05 rangi          2nd training session
20:05 rangi          shouldn't take the full day though I think
20:04 rangi          yup reserve bank
20:04 chrisdothall   rangi: are you training today?
20:04 rangi          cya magnus_away
20:01 magnus_afk     g'nigt!
20:01 * magnus_afk   read that as "appaling checkbox"
19:40 jcamins        (I think that might be what they're called)
19:38 jcamins        Wu-zhu?
19:38 jcamins        Ah! The old Chinese coin with square holes!
19:37 cait           coin is the only idea I had too :(
19:35 jcamins        I was thinking an outline drawing of a coin, but I couldn't find any CC-licensed.
19:35 jcamins        So... any thoughts for an appealing checkbox?
19:34 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady).
19:34 rangi          @wunder wellington nz
19:34 huginn         jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 17.9�C (2:31 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady).
19:34 jcamins        @wunder 11375
19:34 jcamins        That's pretty chilly.
19:33 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.3�C (8:29 PM CET on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
19:33 cait           @wunder Konstanz
19:33 cait           ah!
19:29 Oak            good night
19:29 Oak            me go now
19:28 jcamins        I would like the checkboxes to be something nice and collectible-related.
19:28 jcamins        It includes a checklist.
19:28 Oak            okay good
19:28 jcamins        I'm preparing a handout.
19:28 jcamins        Oh.
19:28 cait           no idea what you were saying
19:28 cait           Oak: was cake or dinner, opted for dinner :)
19:27 jcamins        Yes?
19:27 wahanui        well, jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
19:27 cait           jcamins?
19:27 Oak            cait, you got no cookies?
19:24 jcamins        I need a nice collectible-related checkbox.
19:24 slef           webmink is tons wide of the mark. "Koha and Why We Need Foundations"
19:24 Oak            slef++
19:24 cait           slef++
19:24 slef           http://wmk.me/rZ8GjW is webmink's article, http://bit.ly/tB0czF is glynmoody's
19:23 cait           after blood donation
19:23 cait           but got vegetable lasagne and potato salad :)
19:23 cait           I got no coookies
19:23 Oak            hence the cookies
19:23 cait           that makes sense :)
19:23 cait           aah
19:22 Oak            hehe
19:22 jcamins        Oak was missing you, so I said you were donating blood, which was more important than being on #koha. :)
19:22 cait           how do you know?
19:21 cait           um yes?
19:21 Oak            you donated blood cait ?
19:19 Oak            i may have suggested it... :)
19:19 cait           and hi mr oak :)
19:19 cait           everyone giving me cookies today!
19:19 cait           oooh
19:19 * Oak          gives cait cookies with milk
19:19 Oak            hello miss cait :)
19:17 cait           heh
19:17 rangi          they are blasting out prince tui teka
19:17 rangi          this cafe rules!
19:15 rangi          brb changing to the free wifi
19:15 rangi          ok time for bacon even!
19:10 rangi          or training I should say
19:10 cait           :)
19:10 rangi          time for coffee before meeting
19:09 rangi          brb bus stop
19:09 rangi          meeting them tonight
19:08 cait           ask for their favourite cookie flavor? ;)
19:08 rangi          what should I tell the students apply for the academy abot koha
19:08 rangi          hmm
19:04 cait           jcamins++ for talking with me about sweets while he has to prepare a handout! :)
19:04 cait           oh
19:03 jcamins        cait++ # for making me laugh while I'm stressing about my handout for the presentation tomorrow.
19:02 cait           thx :)
19:02 slef           cait: yeah
19:02 cait           slef: can you share the link once you found it? :)
19:01 slef           I've both them on identi.ca. Will grab in a mo.
18:58 rangi          I think glynn moody did one too
18:57 rangi          could be a lot worse
18:57 slef           usually ok on software, bad on org
18:57 rangi          yep
18:57 rangi          yeah not too bad
18:57 slef           IIRC he's webmink?
18:57 rangi          dont have url on me
18:57 slef           rangi: Not seen it yet. Any good?
18:57 slef           rangi: :-/
18:56 rangi          slef: simon Phipps did a koha article in computerworld uk
18:56 jcamins        slef: I figured that's what you were going for.
18:56 slef           jcamins: ta
18:56 slef           damn wahanui
18:56 wahanui        well, sql report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
18:56 jcamins        sql report library?
18:56 wahanui        i think wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org
18:56 slef           wiki?
18:56 rangi          ?
18:56 slef           SQL reports?
18:56 slef           reports?
18:51 rangi          you too
18:51 schuster       well good luck with your training!  Have a great day!
18:51 rangi          yeah
18:50 schuster       Yep...  I always felt so bad you can't comfort them enough when they are feeling sick.
18:50 rangi          ahhh
18:50 rangi          be nice to get it sorted tho, and get some sleep :)
18:50 schuster       Thankfully both my boys have grown out of their allergy stages, we did have to do tubes in both ears.  Then he had trigger thumbs so we had to have that operated on...
18:49 rangi          so we are lucky
18:49 rangi          yeah he's a happy little chappy still
18:49 schuster       Oh sorry that is so hard...
18:49 rangi          he still needs one more op on his stomach for reflux
18:49 schuster       Allergy problems?
18:48 schuster       Oh my...  Personally never had them and neither did my grandpa... he lived to 94..
18:48 rangi          but that was tonsils and adenoids
18:48 rangi          ah he has chicken pox now!
18:48 schuster       whew...
18:48 rangi          doing some koha training with them
18:48 schuster       Don't rob the bank we need you...
18:48 schuster       All well with your family?  I saw the note about little one staying overnight, didn't know the backstory so hope all is well.
18:47 rangi          im just on the bus to the reserve bank (like u federal reserve)
18:47 schuster       I'm just getting ready to have lunch.
18:46 schuster       Hey rangi great to see you...
18:46 rangi          morning
18:42 jcamins        Woohoo!
18:42 schuster       Thanks for the advice...  We've had weird stuff here lately.  Monday before Thanksgiving the spiders hit, then today Zebra went wonky for 10 minutes ...  It is time to upgrade!  New hardware and softwre!
18:42 jcamins        Right.
18:40 schuster       ok so recap stop the cron job - then using the appropriate user - migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r  walk away...  In the morning then reactivate the cron for update...
18:38 libsysguy      cait++
18:38 libsysguy      kk
18:38 cait           you might want to ask someone from bywater
18:37 cait           not that I know of
18:37 libsysguy      well i can test...is there a patch
18:37 libsysguy      haha
18:36 jcamins        You have been warned.
18:36 cait           libsysguy: she asked me to look at it - ubt I can't test, should be someone who can test it
18:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen
18:36 libsysguy      bug 7272
18:36 cait           libsysguy: if you want to fix it - talk to druthb
18:36 jcamins        NEVER NEVER NEVER.
18:36 jcamins        schuster: *never* use -w
18:36 cait           libsysguy: 7272
18:36 libsysguy      i've been looking at that all day...I thoguht it was an issue with the hourl ymerge
18:36 jcamins        Or -w?
18:36 hdl            no.
18:35 jcamins        hdl: and you weren't using -x?
18:35 hdl            So... being quite conservative.
18:35 cait           grrrr
18:35 cait           yes
18:35 libsysguy      grrr
18:35 cait           want me to find it for you?
18:35 hdl            jcamins: the last time i used -b and -a together, i had big surprise.
18:35 cait           it's the fine in days breaking it
18:35 libsysguy      ahh
18:35 cait           yep since yesterday
18:35 libsysguy      oh is there
18:35 wahanui        sip is enough to make me drink stronger things than wizzyrea's usual beer. Like whiskey.
18:35 cait           sip?
18:35 cait           there is a bug for that
18:35 libsysguy      it looks like all patrons are set that way unless they are actually debarred
18:34 libsysguy      random question: I am getting an account frozen message...I managed to track down that it is being caused by the patron having the debar flag set to 0000-00-00
18:31 jcamins        hdl: you're thinking of -a and -x.
18:31 jcamins        Up until I switched to XML indexing, I always did -b and -a together.
18:31 jcamins        schuster: you have a pretty big catalog, so I would encourage you to disable the cron job.
18:31 jcamins        schuster: you need -b -a -r
18:31 jcamins        schuster: that won't reindex.
18:31 cait           I didn't have any problems afaik, but not totally sure
18:31 jcamins        -a and -b work together.
18:30 hdl            Since i think it doesnot work.
18:30 hdl            schuster: I wouldnot play -b -a together.
18:29 hdl            schuster: yea...
18:29 schuster       I discovered some logs that needed rotation REALLY bad too.
18:28 schuster       something odd happened today and some records didn't get indexed by Zebra - so I want to "reindex" the whole thing at the end of today.  Can I just run migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z without stopping or starting anything in particular?
18:25 jcamins        Yay!
18:25 cait           I have bought fudge ingredients :)
18:24 cait           yay!
18:24 * jcamins      gives cait cookies.
18:24 cait           hi #koha
17:17 indradg        jwagner, lol... very true
17:16 jwagner        You never know when you'll need a nice emphatic baseball bat....
17:15 jcamins        jwagner: probably wise.
17:15 jwagner        jcamins, I personally keep two bats in my office.  One is foam, but the other one isn't....
17:14 jcamins        You know what they say: "life is better when you have a big foam cluebat."
17:14 jcamins        indradg: doesn't everyone need a cluebat?
17:11 huginn         indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 19.0�C (10:20 PM IST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
17:11 indradg        @wunder kolkata
17:11 indradg        cluebat*
17:10 indradg        whats with the BOFH on #koha... who needs a cluesbat?
17:06 jcamins        Bwahahahaha!
17:06 * collum       is going to purchase the BOFH Omnibus.  Book 2. for his kindle tonight.
17:04 jcamins        Well, that would be running better than Koha does, I think.
17:04 gmcharlt       not my personally preferred distro, but there are enough libraries who use (and mandate) RHEL to keep the Evergreen port alive
17:04 gmcharlt       jcamins: well, it runs on Red Hat
17:01 jcamins        gmcharlt: Red Hat? I guess Evergreen runs on Red Hat better than Koha?
17:00 magnuse        bbl
16:58 jcamins        magnuse: !
16:58 * magnuse      had to google BOFH
16:38 Oak            :-D this is very good jcamins  -> "Matrix Revisited" link....
16:35 magnuse        lol
16:34 jcamins        :)
16:34 magnuse        ok, better leave it alone then, perhaps
16:33 gmcharlt       magnuse: what you're about to tell jcamins is purely imaginary ;)
16:33 jcamins        http://xkcd.com/566/
16:33 Oak            when cait returns we should all give her cookies.
16:33 magnuse        s/new/news/
16:33 * magnuse      has some new for jcamins
16:31 jcamins        A pity they only ever made three Star Wars movies.
16:31 Oak            hehe
16:31 jcamins        He fell into a volcano!
16:31 jcamins        Oak: that's what Anakin said, and look what happened to him!
16:31 magnuse        yay!
16:30 Oak            magnuse, no worries, i'll pull the plug the moment i feel disturbance in the Force.
16:26 Oak            aah. cool.
16:26 magnuse        lol
16:26 wahanui        I know.
16:26 jcamins        that's right.
16:26 wahanui        OK, jcamins.
16:26 jcamins        wahanui: that's right is <reply>I know.
16:26 wahanui        jcamins: what?
16:26 jcamins        wahanui: that's right.
16:25 wahanui        koha 2.2.9 is *years* old, too
16:25 jcamins        And Koha 2.2.9!
16:25 jcamins        That way lies madness.
16:25 jcamins        I think she may have the kind of blood that the blood banks always need.
16:25 jcamins        Oak: she's donating blood. I imagine she'll be back in a few hours.
16:24 magnuse        beware of the dark side, Oak
16:24 * Oak          goes to turn on Windoze pc
16:23 magnuse        hehe
16:23 Oak            good :)
16:23 magnuse        yup
16:23 Oak            i guess...
16:23 Oak            cait left for home?
16:22 magnuse        Oak
16:21 Oak            :)
16:21 Oak            jcamins
16:21 jcamins        Oak
16:21 Oak            magnuse
16:21 Oak            kia ora #koha
16:19 reiveune       bye
15:48 kf             bye all
15:25 * huginn       reloads and spins the chambers.
15:25 huginn         *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
15:25 kf             @roulette
15:25 huginn         kf: *click*
15:25 kf             @roulette
15:24 huginn         rhcl_away: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 16 hours, 21 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> with my fush and chups.
15:24 rhcl_away      @seen wizzyrea
15:06 libsysguy      since all date functions are moving from C4::Dates to Koha::Calendar
15:05 libsysguy      there is one that is going to take some time to stort out
15:05 libsysguy      I got most of them taken care of quickly
15:05 libsysguy      negative ghost rider :-/
15:05 jcamins        I hope that was on a staging server?
15:05 jcamins        Ugh.
15:04 libsysguy      so if you happen to be running hourly…don't update
15:04 libsysguy      i ran a merge this morning and it broke all kinds of stuff with hourly
14:53 libsysguy      morning #Koha
14:34 collum         Hi oleonard
14:32 oleonard       Hi collum
14:06 jwagner        Oh, well.  I had an idea for it, but doesn't look like it's feasible right now. Thanks.
14:06 gmcharlt       jwagner: no, doesn't look like its hooked into any authentication mechanism at present
14:01 jwagner        gmcharlt, can SIP use that field?
14:01 kf             I think
14:01 kf             but should be masked everywhere to makse sense
14:00 francharb      yep
14:00 francharb      something you can export for exemple
14:00 kf             something that is not supposed to be seen - I think
14:00 francharb      for a third application
14:00 francharb      that it's just a way to store a login/password
14:00 francharb      but you make me realise
14:00 francharb      kf, jwagner and i tested it thinking it would give us another login/password
13:59 kf             ah, h ad not read back yet - sorry!
13:56 francharb      :)
13:56 francharb      thanks kf, thats what gmcharlt was just telling us!
13:55 kf             francharb: and I think it should always display masked and is not related to teh other fields, only a separate password field, perhaps for another application or something
13:54 kf             francharb: sorry, was helping a coworker - I think the idea is to store an additional field - like a pin for self check
13:53 jwagner        I just tested it, it doesn't seem to work in current head....
13:53 francharb      thanks gmcharlt, i will test it!
13:51 gmcharlt       but I doubt its commonly used, so I wouldn't be too surprised if it fell prey to bit rot
13:51 gmcharlt       I'm sure somebody wanted that back in the day
13:51 gmcharlt       the intention of the password feature in patron attributes is simply to allow more than one login password
13:51 francharb      any idea?
13:50 gmcharlt       francharb: ok, I've finished reading scrollback
13:49 jwagner        checking git blame on an older system blames that unknown person gmcharlt :-)
13:47 gmcharlt       what's the question?
13:38 francharb      hehe
13:38 * francharb    sounds dramatic
13:38 francharb      hdl advice was to ask gmcharlt, maybe he is one who can tell us who did this
13:37 francharb      i have no idea
13:37 jcamins        Who did patron attributes?
13:35 francharb      jwagner, i think so... i will try to find more about what was the idea behind before reporting this in bugzilla ;)
13:34 jwagner        Sorry I couldn't help.  Looks like a feature that was never truly implemented
13:34 francharb      i will try to dig that later!
13:34 francharb      anyway, thanks jwagner
13:33 francharb      autocomplete--
13:33 francharb      ;)
13:33 francharb      :(
13:33 francharb      oh sorry
13:33 jcamins        francharb: oh, you're talking to jwagner.
13:32 jcamins        francharb: uhhh...
13:32 francharb      jcamins, i can see what you mean but if you are at the circ desk and have the privilege to modify borrowers records, then you can bypass the protection. if you dont have these privilege, well then, you can do nothing...
13:31 jcamins        If only it had coincided with KohaCon. :\
13:30 * jcamins      packs his suitcase for a trip to India.
13:30 jcamins        oleonard: I meant remotely, but, hell yeah!
13:29 oleonard       All-expenses paid.
13:29 jcamins        Seems like it might be a good way to dissuade further messages.
13:28 * jcamins      feels like perhaps he should have said that he's available for doing the migration.
13:27 jcamins        ;)
13:27 jcamins        Reassuring, isn't it?
13:26 oleonard       The off-list reply couldn't have been more textbook
13:26 jcamins        oleonard: I know.
13:25 oleonard       jcamins: That Koha 2.2.9 conversation unfolded exactly as predicted! :)
13:25 jwagner        I don't know.  I can think of a few situations where staff might not want circ desk people to change data, but the field doesn't block changes by staff with less than superlibrarian rights.
13:24 francharb      jwagner,  sounds logical but at the same time, as a librarian, why would i want a password protected field in the patron record?
13:22 jwagner        Which would seem to be the obvious purpose of it....
13:21 jwagner        The password seems to serve no useful purpose -- once you've entered a password next to an attribute in a patron record, it doesn't use it to block changes to that field.
13:21 kf             bug
13:21 francharb      weird
13:21 francharb      no more ••••
13:20 francharb      well kf, it masks the infut when i modify the attribute but once i saved it
13:19 JesseM         Hi kf!
13:18 kf             hi JesseM
13:18 kf             afaik
13:18 kf             but no encryption
13:18 kf             francharb: making it little stars ****
13:18 kf             francharb: I think all it does is  mask the input
13:08 francharb      anyway, if anyone knows, well, let me know! ;)
13:08 francharb      ok
13:08 francharb      jcamins, really?
13:08 francharb      if by any chance, you have 2s for my question, i would be very happy gmcharlt ;)
13:08 jcamins        gmcharlt is always connected. :)
13:07 francharb      :)
13:07 francharb      oh no, gmcharlt is connected
13:07 francharb      i will try later
13:06 francharb      thanks hdl
13:06 francharb      humm
13:06 hdl            francharb: maybe gmcharlt
13:05 francharb      ?
13:05 francharb      anyone knows
13:05 francharb      :(
13:05 francharb      it's still _not_ obvious how it works
13:05 francharb      and well
13:04 francharb      i tried to set up one
13:04 francharb      it says "Check to make it possible to associate a password with this attribute."
13:04 francharb      do you know what the "allow password" option is made for?
13:04 francharb      i 've got a question on the patron attibutes
13:03 francharb      hum
12:48 * jcamins_away decides not to respond to that message.
12:40 huginn         chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 9.0�C (7:15 AM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
12:40 chris_n        @wunder 28334
12:40 * chris_n      looks in
12:22 jcamins_away   Yup.
12:19 kf             dilip
12:19 kf             ah
12:19 kf             huh?
12:17 jcamins_away   kf: about the direct response.
12:16 kf             grouse?
12:15 * jcamins_away grouses.
10:30 magnuse        kf: cool!
10:29 kf             hi AmitG
10:29 kf             one of my coworkers is there
10:29 AmitG          heya kf :D
10:29 kf             perhaps I should have told you :)
10:29 kf             oh
10:18 magnuse        it's a german conference, but most of the talks are in english, i think
10:17 Judit          let me see
10:17 Judit          hm
10:17 magnuse        only if you are interested in semantic web in libraries
10:16 Judit          shall i click on this?:)
10:16 magnuse        oh my, there's a live stream http://www.livestream.com/swib
10:12 magnuse        ooh, wish i was at http://swib.org/swib11/
09:36 magnuse        Oak
09:35 Oak            magnuse
09:35 Oak            :)
09:35 magnuse        yay
09:35 Oak            presentation done \o/
09:27 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7275] Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7275>
09:24 indradg        kf++
09:12 kf             system preferences under logs
09:11 kf             yep
09:11 rangi          and a way to turn them on and off, like the other logging
09:11 rangi          thatd be the way to do it
09:11 magnuse        kf++
09:11 kf             so can get tested and into koha
09:11 kf             a super bug to add more logging and smaller bugs for each feature?
09:11 rangi          yeah
09:11 kf             perhaps make a bug?
09:10 indradg        FWIW, I added logging to the currency modification and it seems to be working
09:10 indradg        or is there something else that I should pay attention to?
09:09 indradg        rangi, so, if I want to add logging / audit trails to every other module that does not have it, it is simply including C4::Log.pm and calling the logaction() with the desired 4 parameters?
08:31 rangi          but not everything
08:31 rangi          a lot of things are logged
08:31 rangi          nope
08:30 indradg        but all the modules of Koha like setting up of basic params or say currency etc does not log anything to that table, does it?
08:29 rangi          thats it indradg
08:28 indradg        rangi, ^^
08:24 rangi          ++ to the security people who emailed me too
08:24 indradg        as per Koha 3.4 schema is action_logs the table for maintaining audit trails?
08:24 fredericd      ++ to everybody involved in patching that security hole in the hurry...
08:23 fredericd      I understand, I've seen
08:23 rangi          6628 being the really nasty one for 3.6.x
08:22 rangi          nope, it was released fast because of 6628 and 6629
08:22 kf             yeah, I didn't see one either
08:22 fredericd      maybe
08:22 fredericd      I don't see a commit for that
08:22 kf             perhaps been forgotten :(
08:22 kf             that could well be
08:22 kf             ah
08:22 fredericd      I'm not sure that last .po files have been added to 3.6.x branch
08:21 kf             I checked them locally for fatal errors but all seemed ok, so I didn't do more than that
08:21 kf             I worked with pootle to translate the files up there, didn't upload anything new
08:21 kf             fredericd: sorry, not sure what you are asking?
08:20 fredericd      kf: Do you have your last German translation in 3.6.1?
08:14 rangi          wb
08:14 kf             back
08:13 francharb      hi
08:11 rangi          hi france
08:10 hdl            hi
08:10 sophie_m       hello #koha
08:09 julian_m       hi all
08:06 asaurat        hi!
07:50 reiveune       hiya ;-)
07:49 indradg        hiya reiveune
07:49 reiveune       :-/
07:48 reiveune       hi cait, magnuse, and everybody :)
07:48 cait           and bbiab
07:48 cait           and morning paul_p
07:48 cait           morning magnuse and reiveune :)
07:41 wahanui        bonjour, reiveune
07:41 reiveune       hello
07:40 adminacct      indradg
07:36 magnuse        hiya rangi and alex_a and cait
07:36 rangi          heya alex_a
07:35 alex_a         hello magnuse
07:35 alex_a         hello rangi
07:35 rangi          hi magnuse
07:34 magnuse        kia ora #koha
06:59 rangi          hmm that would be a huge amount of development
06:45 indradg        cait, np :)
06:37 cait           hm cold
06:37 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.1�C (7:29 AM CET on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
06:37 cait           @wunder Konstanz
06:36 cait           indradg: sorry, not alot of ideas about that
06:16 indradg        when the connection is restored
06:16 indradg        so even if the connection is down, they need the local library to go on functioning and re-sync / update the master
06:15 cait           hm
06:15 cait           seems like all they want is what you would normally do with a consortia
06:15 indradg        uncertain nature of broadband connectivity in india
06:14 cait           what is the main reason to keep them on different installations?
06:14 cait           yes
06:14 indradg        cait, what they are looking at would require some serious customizations imo
06:12 cait           indradg: not sure about that - seems a bit hard to do with different installatons
06:08 indradg        (d) have a way for the central mgmt to see who is working on which module at the libraries
06:07 Judit          1library 20 branches?
06:06 indradg        (c) centrally retrieve circulation data and reporting
06:06 indradg        (b) allow them to centrally see (as well as over an unified OPAC) how many of these items (that was sought) are out in circulation along with their holding branch
06:05 indradg        (a) allow someone to see a search conducted across all 20+ libraries
06:05 Oak            electricity...
06:04 indradg        now, the management wants to build a central facility that will do the following
06:04 indradg        these servers are independent of each other at the moment
06:03 indradg        the basic scenario is this - there are 20 something libraries on Koha 3.4 (version can be upgraded) being installed on their local on-premise servers
06:02 indradg        folks... i need to build an union catalog using Koha... well sort of... so was wondering if I can pick on the collective brains
05:57 Guest18653     perhaps we should not include that in the INSTALL.ubuntu doco..in 2.4 it says Install DB::mysql  perl module
05:56 indradg        rangi, around?
05:55 Guest18653     hmmm i c..
05:54 indradg        gmcharlt, ping
05:51 Oak            Brooke has kindly offered to help though :) i just emailed her the things
05:51 Oak            and in conclusion, wrote that the library will work on alternative funding options to decrease its dependence on government funding...
05:50 Oak            and said Capital Development Authority and Ministry of Education will provide the funding
05:50 Oak            decided to make a public library.
05:50 Oak            kind of. at the risk of being wrong however.
05:47 cait           have you figured out the other things?
05:47 cait           oh
05:43 Oak            need to make a presentation now for the project...
05:42 cait           hello mr oak :)
05:42 Oak            hello miss cait :)
05:34 cait           morning #koha
05:14 Oak            hello #koha
05:10 rangi          sudo apt-get install mysql-client
05:09 rangi          but if u really want to cpan it on, which I wouldn't recommend u need
05:08 rangi          for that one
05:08 rangi          sudo apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl
05:08 rangi          u shouldn't need to cpan anything
05:08 rangi          follow the INSTALL.ubuntu document
05:07 rangi          ahh ubuntu
05:07 rangi          what distribution of linux are u installing on?
04:50 Guest18653     If you guys can help that will be great as I find the installation is the same as with the liblime koha. thanks for your help in advance.
04:50 Guest18653     i am trying to install the latest koha 3.6 with ubuntu 11.10 but have found that I am getting a mysql_config error on the cpan component while installing DBD::mysql.
04:49 Guest18653     hope this messages finds you well.
04:48 Guest18653     hi all
04:12 Judit          http://xkcd.com/806/
03:35 eythian        hello AmitG
03:35 AmitG          heya rangi, Robin
03:24 jenkins_koha   chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for
03:24 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #5: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/5/
02:46 rangi          sleep well
02:46 chris_n        ok, folks, sleepy time
02:45 * chris_n      has spent too much time working on the script
02:44 chris_n        now utf8 is screwed up again
02:44 chris_n        ouch
02:44 chris_n        fixed there too
02:43 jenkins_koha   Starting build 5 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
02:42 * chris_n      will do it now
02:41 rangi          ahh that oughta be ok, we could change the one on koha-community.org .. and i think that would be fine
02:40 chris_n        I pushed an updated copy of the release notes, but they'll be incorrect in the tarballs
02:40 chris_n        fixed
02:34 chris_n        seems to be a malformed query
02:31 rangi          weird
02:30 chris_n        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?content=2629%2C2847%2C3958%2C4161%2C5150%2C5885%2C5945%2C5974%2C6390%2C6471%2C6475%2C6628%2C6629%2C6679%2C6799%2C6895%2C6955%2C6963%2C6977%2C6989%2C6994%2C7061%2C7069%2C7076%2C7084%2C7085%2C7095%2C7117%2C7128%2C7134%2C7138%2C7146%2C7184%2C7185%2C7188%2C7207%2C7221&list_id=16081&query_format=advanced&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=
02:30 chris_n        still no joy
02:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion
02:25 jenkins_koha   * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for
02:25 jenkins_koha   * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
02:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection
02:25 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability
02:25 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places
02:25 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error
02:25 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Sanitizing input from language cookie
02:25 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #4: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/4/
02:23 rangi          yeah that is odd
02:23 rangi          hmm
02:23 chris_n        I can fix that on my end, but I'd think BZ's search would handle that
02:23 chris_n        list
02:23 chris_n        none of those appear in the lsit
02:22 chris_n        several bug #'s appear multiple times in the search string
02:22 chris_n        hmm
02:22 rangi          ahh makes sense
02:22 rangi          could be
02:22 chris_n        but that's why its not in the release notes
02:22 chris_n        bugzilla bug?
02:22 rangi          how odd
02:21 chris_n        but in the list it does not appear
02:21 chris_n        in the "Content:" line I see 6629
02:21 chris_n        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?content=2629%2C2847%2C3958%2C4161%2C5150%2C5885%2C5945%2C5974%2C6390%2C6471%2C6475%2C6628%2C6629%2C6629%2C6629%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6799%2C6895%2C6955%2C6963%2C6977%2C6989%2C6994%2C7061%2C7069%2C7076%2C7084%2C7085%2C7095%2C7117%2C7128%2C7134%2C7138%2C7146%2C7184%2C7185%2C7188%2C7207%2C7221&list_id=16080&query_format=advanced&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=
02:21 chris_n        try this:
02:21 chris_n        weirdness
02:18 rangi          nice work anyway :)
02:18 rangi          hehe
02:16 chris_n        automation--
02:16 chris_n        hmm
02:16 rangi          ah, just didnt see it in the release notes
02:16 chris_n        and one 6628
02:16 chris_n        3 6629 patches made it in
02:09 rangi          did 6629 not make it in?
02:09 chris_n        automation++
02:08 rangi          chris_n++
02:07 chris_n        thar tis
01:43 jenkins_koha   Starting build 4 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
00:07 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7140] Add item type description on the catalogue search and detail screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7140>