Time  Nick           Message
00:07 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7140] Add item type description on the catalogue search and detail screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7140>
01:43 jenkins_koha   Starting build 4 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
02:07 chris_n        thar tis
02:08 rangi          chris_n++
02:09 chris_n        automation++
02:09 rangi          did 6629 not make it in?
02:16 chris_n        3 6629 patches made it in
02:16 chris_n        and one 6628
02:16 rangi          ah, just didnt see it in the release notes
02:16 chris_n        hmm
02:16 chris_n        automation--
02:18 rangi          hehe
02:18 rangi          nice work anyway :)
02:21 chris_n        weirdness
02:21 chris_n        try this:
02:21 chris_n        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?content=2629%2C2847%2C3958%2C4161%2C5150%2C5885%2C5945%2C5974%2C6390%2C6471%2C6475%2C6628%2C6629%2C6629%2C6629%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6679%2C6799%2C6895%2C6955%2C6963%2C6977%2C6989%2C6994%2C7061%2C7069%2C7076%2C7084%2C7085%2C7095%2C7117%2C7128%2C7134%2C7138%2C7146%2C7184%2C7185%2C7188%2C7207%2C7221&list_id=16080&query_format=advanced&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=
02:21 chris_n        in the "Content:" line I see 6629
02:21 chris_n        but in the list it does not appear
02:22 rangi          how odd
02:22 chris_n        bugzilla bug?
02:22 chris_n        but that's why its not in the release notes
02:22 rangi          could be
02:22 rangi          ahh makes sense
02:22 chris_n        hmm
02:22 chris_n        several bug #'s appear multiple times in the search string
02:23 chris_n        none of those appear in the lsit
02:23 chris_n        list
02:23 chris_n        I can fix that on my end, but I'd think BZ's search would handle that
02:23 rangi          hmm
02:23 rangi          yeah that is odd
02:25 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #4: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/4/
02:25 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Sanitizing input from language cookie
02:25 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error
02:25 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places
02:25 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability
02:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection
02:25 jenkins_koha   * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
02:25 jenkins_koha   * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for
02:25 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion
02:30 chris_n        still no joy
02:30 chris_n        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?content=2629%2C2847%2C3958%2C4161%2C5150%2C5885%2C5945%2C5974%2C6390%2C6471%2C6475%2C6628%2C6629%2C6679%2C6799%2C6895%2C6955%2C6963%2C6977%2C6989%2C6994%2C7061%2C7069%2C7076%2C7084%2C7085%2C7095%2C7117%2C7128%2C7134%2C7138%2C7146%2C7184%2C7185%2C7188%2C7207%2C7221&list_id=16081&query_format=advanced&order=bug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=
02:31 rangi          weird
02:34 chris_n        seems to be a malformed query
02:40 chris_n        fixed
02:40 chris_n        I pushed an updated copy of the release notes, but they'll be incorrect in the tarballs
02:41 rangi          ahh that oughta be ok, we could change the one on koha-community.org .. and i think that would be fine
02:42 * chris_n      will do it now
02:43 jenkins_koha   Starting build 5 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE)
02:44 chris_n        fixed there too
02:44 chris_n        ouch
02:44 chris_n        now utf8 is screwed up again
02:45 * chris_n      has spent too much time working on the script
02:46 chris_n        ok, folks, sleepy time
02:46 rangi          sleep well
03:24 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #5: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/5/
03:24 jenkins_koha   chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for
03:35 AmitG          heya rangi, Robin
03:35 eythian        hello AmitG
04:12 Judit          http://xkcd.com/806/
04:48 Guest18653     hi all
04:49 Guest18653     hope this messages finds you well.
04:50 Guest18653     i am trying to install the latest koha 3.6 with ubuntu 11.10 but have found that I am getting a mysql_config error on the cpan component while installing DBD::mysql.
04:50 Guest18653     If you guys can help that will be great as I find the installation is the same as with the liblime koha. thanks for your help in advance.
05:07 rangi          what distribution of linux are u installing on?
05:07 rangi          ahh ubuntu
05:08 rangi          follow the INSTALL.ubuntu document
05:08 rangi          u shouldn't need to cpan anything
05:08 rangi          sudo apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl
05:08 rangi          for that one
05:09 rangi          but if u really want to cpan it on, which I wouldn't recommend u need
05:10 rangi          sudo apt-get install mysql-client
05:14 Oak            hello #koha
05:34 cait           morning #koha
05:42 Oak            hello miss cait :)
05:42 cait           hello mr oak :)
05:43 Oak            need to make a presentation now for the project...
05:47 cait           oh
05:47 cait           have you figured out the other things?
05:50 Oak            kind of. at the risk of being wrong however.
05:50 Oak            decided to make a public library.
05:50 Oak            and said Capital Development Authority and Ministry of Education will provide the funding
05:51 Oak            and in conclusion, wrote that the library will work on alternative funding options to decrease its dependence on government funding...
05:51 Oak            Brooke has kindly offered to help though :) i just emailed her the things
05:54 indradg        gmcharlt, ping
05:55 Guest18653     hmmm i c..
05:56 indradg        rangi, around?
05:57 Guest18653     perhaps we should not include that in the INSTALL.ubuntu doco..in 2.4 it says Install DB::mysql  perl module
06:02 indradg        folks... i need to build an union catalog using Koha... well sort of... so was wondering if I can pick on the collective brains
06:03 indradg        the basic scenario is this - there are 20 something libraries on Koha 3.4 (version can be upgraded) being installed on their local on-premise servers
06:04 indradg        these servers are independent of each other at the moment
06:04 indradg        now, the management wants to build a central facility that will do the following
06:05 Oak            electricity...
06:05 indradg        (a) allow someone to see a search conducted across all 20+ libraries
06:06 indradg        (b) allow them to centrally see (as well as over an unified OPAC) how many of these items (that was sought) are out in circulation along with their holding branch
06:06 indradg        (c) centrally retrieve circulation data and reporting
06:07 Judit          1library 20 branches?
06:08 indradg        (d) have a way for the central mgmt to see who is working on which module at the libraries
06:12 cait           indradg: not sure about that - seems a bit hard to do with different installatons
06:14 indradg        cait, what they are looking at would require some serious customizations imo
06:14 cait           yes
06:14 cait           what is the main reason to keep them on different installations?
06:15 indradg        uncertain nature of broadband connectivity in india
06:15 cait           seems like all they want is what you would normally do with a consortia
06:15 cait           hm
06:16 indradg        so even if the connection is down, they need the local library to go on functioning and re-sync / update the master
06:16 indradg        when the connection is restored
06:36 cait           indradg: sorry, not alot of ideas about that
06:37 cait           @wunder Konstanz
06:37 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.1�C (7:29 AM CET on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
06:37 cait           hm cold
06:45 indradg        cait, np :)
06:59 rangi          hmm that would be a huge amount of development
07:34 magnuse        kia ora #koha
07:35 rangi          hi magnuse
07:35 alex_a         hello rangi
07:35 alex_a         hello magnuse
07:36 rangi          heya alex_a
07:36 magnuse        hiya rangi and alex_a and cait
07:40 adminacct      indradg
07:41 reiveune       hello
07:41 wahanui        bonjour, reiveune
07:48 cait           morning magnuse and reiveune :)
07:48 cait           and morning paul_p
07:48 cait           and bbiab
07:48 reiveune       hi cait, magnuse, and everybody :)
07:49 reiveune       :-/
07:49 indradg        hiya reiveune
07:50 reiveune       hiya ;-)
08:06 asaurat        hi!
08:09 julian_m       hi all
08:10 sophie_m       hello #koha
08:10 hdl            hi
08:11 rangi          hi france
08:13 francharb      hi
08:14 kf             back
08:14 rangi          wb
08:20 fredericd      kf: Do you have your last German translation in 3.6.1?
08:21 kf             fredericd: sorry, not sure what you are asking?
08:21 kf             I worked with pootle to translate the files up there, didn't upload anything new
08:21 kf             I checked them locally for fatal errors but all seemed ok, so I didn't do more than that
08:22 fredericd      I'm not sure that last .po files have been added to 3.6.x branch
08:22 kf             ah
08:22 kf             that could well be
08:22 kf             perhaps been forgotten :(
08:22 fredericd      I don't see a commit for that
08:22 fredericd      maybe
08:22 kf             yeah, I didn't see one either
08:22 rangi          nope, it was released fast because of 6628 and 6629
08:23 rangi          6628 being the really nasty one for 3.6.x
08:23 fredericd      I understand, I've seen
08:24 fredericd      ++ to everybody involved in patching that security hole in the hurry...
08:24 indradg        as per Koha 3.4 schema is action_logs the table for maintaining audit trails?
08:24 rangi          ++ to the security people who emailed me too
08:28 indradg        rangi, ^^
08:29 rangi          thats it indradg
08:30 indradg        but all the modules of Koha like setting up of basic params or say currency etc does not log anything to that table, does it?
08:31 rangi          nope
08:31 rangi          a lot of things are logged
08:31 rangi          but not everything
09:09 indradg        rangi, so, if I want to add logging / audit trails to every other module that does not have it, it is simply including C4::Log.pm and calling the logaction() with the desired 4 parameters?
09:10 indradg        or is there something else that I should pay attention to?
09:10 indradg        FWIW, I added logging to the currency modification and it seems to be working
09:11 kf             perhaps make a bug?
09:11 rangi          yeah
09:11 kf             a super bug to add more logging and smaller bugs for each feature?
09:11 kf             so can get tested and into koha
09:11 magnuse        kf++
09:11 rangi          thatd be the way to do it
09:11 rangi          and a way to turn them on and off, like the other logging
09:11 kf             yep
09:12 kf             system preferences under logs
09:24 indradg        kf++
09:27 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7275] Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7275>
09:35 Oak            presentation done \o/
09:35 magnuse        yay
09:35 Oak            :)
09:35 Oak            magnuse
09:36 magnuse        Oak
10:12 magnuse        ooh, wish i was at http://swib.org/swib11/
10:16 magnuse        oh my, there's a live stream http://www.livestream.com/swib
10:16 Judit          shall i click on this?:)
10:17 magnuse        only if you are interested in semantic web in libraries
10:17 Judit          hm
10:17 Judit          let me see
10:18 magnuse        it's a german conference, but most of the talks are in english, i think
10:29 kf             oh
10:29 kf             perhaps I should have told you :)
10:29 AmitG          heya kf :D
10:29 kf             one of my coworkers is there
10:29 kf             hi AmitG
10:30 magnuse        kf: cool!
12:15 * jcamins_away grouses.
12:16 kf             grouse?
12:17 jcamins_away   kf: about the direct response.
12:19 kf             huh?
12:19 kf             ah
12:19 kf             dilip
12:22 jcamins_away   Yup.
12:40 * chris_n      looks in
12:40 chris_n        @wunder 28334
12:40 huginn         chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 9.0�C (7:15 AM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
12:48 * jcamins_away decides not to respond to that message.
13:03 francharb      hum
13:04 francharb      i 've got a question on the patron attibutes
13:04 francharb      do you know what the "allow password" option is made for?
13:04 francharb      it says "Check to make it possible to associate a password with this attribute."
13:04 francharb      i tried to set up one
13:05 francharb      and well
13:05 francharb      it's still _not_ obvious how it works
13:05 francharb      :(
13:05 francharb      anyone knows
13:05 francharb      ?
13:06 hdl            francharb: maybe gmcharlt
13:06 francharb      humm
13:06 francharb      thanks hdl
13:07 francharb      i will try later
13:07 francharb      oh no, gmcharlt is connected
13:07 francharb      :)
13:08 jcamins        gmcharlt is always connected. :)
13:08 francharb      if by any chance, you have 2s for my question, i would be very happy gmcharlt ;)
13:08 francharb      jcamins, really?
13:08 francharb      ok
13:08 francharb      anyway, if anyone knows, well, let me know! ;)
13:18 kf             francharb: I think all it does is  mask the input
13:18 kf             francharb: making it little stars ****
13:18 kf             but no encryption
13:18 kf             afaik
13:18 kf             hi JesseM
13:19 JesseM         Hi kf!
13:20 francharb      well kf, it masks the infut when i modify the attribute but once i saved it
13:21 francharb      no more ••••
13:21 francharb      weird
13:21 kf             bug
13:21 jwagner        The password seems to serve no useful purpose -- once you've entered a password next to an attribute in a patron record, it doesn't use it to block changes to that field.
13:22 jwagner        Which would seem to be the obvious purpose of it....
13:24 francharb      jwagner,  sounds logical but at the same time, as a librarian, why would i want a password protected field in the patron record?
13:25 jwagner        I don't know.  I can think of a few situations where staff might not want circ desk people to change data, but the field doesn't block changes by staff with less than superlibrarian rights.
13:25 oleonard       jcamins: That Koha 2.2.9 conversation unfolded exactly as predicted! :)
13:26 jcamins        oleonard: I know.
13:26 oleonard       The off-list reply couldn't have been more textbook
13:27 jcamins        Reassuring, isn't it?
13:27 jcamins        ;)
13:28 * jcamins      feels like perhaps he should have said that he's available for doing the migration.
13:29 jcamins        Seems like it might be a good way to dissuade further messages.
13:29 oleonard       All-expenses paid.
13:30 jcamins        oleonard: I meant remotely, but, hell yeah!
13:30 * jcamins      packs his suitcase for a trip to India.
13:31 jcamins        If only it had coincided with KohaCon. :\
13:32 francharb      jcamins, i can see what you mean but if you are at the circ desk and have the privilege to modify borrowers records, then you can bypass the protection. if you dont have these privilege, well then, you can do nothing...
13:32 jcamins        francharb: uhhh...
13:33 jcamins        francharb: oh, you're talking to jwagner.
13:33 francharb      oh sorry
13:33 francharb      :(
13:33 francharb      ;)
13:33 francharb      autocomplete--
13:34 francharb      anyway, thanks jwagner
13:34 francharb      i will try to dig that later!
13:34 jwagner        Sorry I couldn't help.  Looks like a feature that was never truly implemented
13:35 francharb      jwagner, i think so... i will try to find more about what was the idea behind before reporting this in bugzilla ;)
13:37 jcamins        Who did patron attributes?
13:37 francharb      i have no idea
13:38 francharb      hdl advice was to ask gmcharlt, maybe he is one who can tell us who did this
13:38 * francharb    sounds dramatic
13:38 francharb      hehe
13:47 gmcharlt       what's the question?
13:49 jwagner        checking git blame on an older system blames that unknown person gmcharlt :-)
13:50 gmcharlt       francharb: ok, I've finished reading scrollback
13:51 francharb      any idea?
13:51 gmcharlt       the intention of the password feature in patron attributes is simply to allow more than one login password
13:51 gmcharlt       I'm sure somebody wanted that back in the day
13:51 gmcharlt       but I doubt its commonly used, so I wouldn't be too surprised if it fell prey to bit rot
13:53 francharb      thanks gmcharlt, i will test it!
13:53 jwagner        I just tested it, it doesn't seem to work in current head....
13:54 kf             francharb: sorry, was helping a coworker - I think the idea is to store an additional field - like a pin for self check
13:55 kf             francharb: and I think it should always display masked and is not related to teh other fields, only a separate password field, perhaps for another application or something
13:56 francharb      thanks kf, thats what gmcharlt was just telling us!
13:56 francharb      :)
13:59 kf             ah, h ad not read back yet - sorry!
14:00 francharb      kf, jwagner and i tested it thinking it would give us another login/password
14:00 francharb      but you make me realise
14:00 francharb      that it's just a way to store a login/password
14:00 francharb      for a third application
14:00 kf             something that is not supposed to be seen - I think
14:00 francharb      something you can export for exemple
14:00 francharb      yep
14:01 kf             but should be masked everywhere to makse sense
14:01 kf             I think
14:01 jwagner        gmcharlt, can SIP use that field?
14:06 gmcharlt       jwagner: no, doesn't look like its hooked into any authentication mechanism at present
14:06 jwagner        Oh, well.  I had an idea for it, but doesn't look like it's feasible right now. Thanks.
14:32 oleonard       Hi collum
14:34 collum         Hi oleonard
14:53 libsysguy      morning #Koha
15:04 libsysguy      i ran a merge this morning and it broke all kinds of stuff with hourly
15:04 libsysguy      so if you happen to be running hourly…don't update
15:05 jcamins        Ugh.
15:05 jcamins        I hope that was on a staging server?
15:05 libsysguy      negative ghost rider :-/
15:05 libsysguy      I got most of them taken care of quickly
15:05 libsysguy      there is one that is going to take some time to stort out
15:06 libsysguy      since all date functions are moving from C4::Dates to Koha::Calendar
15:24 rhcl_away      @seen wizzyrea
15:24 huginn         rhcl_away: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 16 hours, 21 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> with my fush and chups.
15:25 kf             @roulette
15:25 huginn         kf: *click*
15:25 kf             @roulette
15:25 huginn         *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
15:25 * huginn       reloads and spins the chambers.
15:48 kf             bye all
16:19 reiveune       bye
16:21 Oak            kia ora #koha
16:21 Oak            magnuse
16:21 jcamins        Oak
16:21 Oak            jcamins
16:21 Oak            :)
16:22 magnuse        Oak
16:23 Oak            cait left for home?
16:23 Oak            i guess...
16:23 magnuse        yup
16:23 Oak            good :)
16:23 magnuse        hehe
16:24 * Oak          goes to turn on Windoze pc
16:24 magnuse        beware of the dark side, Oak
16:25 jcamins        Oak: she's donating blood. I imagine she'll be back in a few hours.
16:25 jcamins        I think she may have the kind of blood that the blood banks always need.
16:25 jcamins        That way lies madness.
16:25 jcamins        And Koha 2.2.9!
16:25 wahanui        koha 2.2.9 is *years* old, too
16:26 jcamins        wahanui: that's right.
16:26 wahanui        jcamins: what?
16:26 jcamins        wahanui: that's right is <reply>I know.
16:26 wahanui        OK, jcamins.
16:26 jcamins        that's right.
16:26 wahanui        I know.
16:26 magnuse        lol
16:26 Oak            aah. cool.
16:30 Oak            magnuse, no worries, i'll pull the plug the moment i feel disturbance in the Force.
16:31 magnuse        yay!
16:31 jcamins        Oak: that's what Anakin said, and look what happened to him!
16:31 jcamins        He fell into a volcano!
16:31 Oak            hehe
16:31 jcamins        A pity they only ever made three Star Wars movies.
16:33 * magnuse      has some new for jcamins
16:33 magnuse        s/new/news/
16:33 Oak            when cait returns we should all give her cookies.
16:33 jcamins        http://xkcd.com/566/
16:33 gmcharlt       magnuse: what you're about to tell jcamins is purely imaginary ;)
16:34 magnuse        ok, better leave it alone then, perhaps
16:34 jcamins        :)
16:35 magnuse        lol
16:38 Oak            :-D this is very good jcamins  -> "Matrix Revisited" link....
16:58 * magnuse      had to google BOFH
16:58 jcamins        magnuse: !
17:00 magnuse        bbl
17:01 jcamins        gmcharlt: Red Hat? I guess Evergreen runs on Red Hat better than Koha?
17:04 gmcharlt       jcamins: well, it runs on Red Hat
17:04 gmcharlt       not my personally preferred distro, but there are enough libraries who use (and mandate) RHEL to keep the Evergreen port alive
17:04 jcamins        Well, that would be running better than Koha does, I think.
17:06 * collum       is going to purchase the BOFH Omnibus.  Book 2. for his kindle tonight.
17:06 jcamins        Bwahahahaha!
17:10 indradg        whats with the BOFH on #koha... who needs a cluesbat?
17:11 indradg        cluebat*
17:11 indradg        @wunder kolkata
17:11 huginn         indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 19.0�C (10:20 PM IST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
17:14 jcamins        indradg: doesn't everyone need a cluebat?
17:14 jcamins        You know what they say: "life is better when you have a big foam cluebat."
17:15 jwagner        jcamins, I personally keep two bats in my office.  One is foam, but the other one isn't....
17:15 jcamins        jwagner: probably wise.
17:16 jwagner        You never know when you'll need a nice emphatic baseball bat....
17:17 indradg        jwagner, lol... very true
18:24 cait           hi #koha
18:24 * jcamins      gives cait cookies.
18:24 cait           yay!
18:25 cait           I have bought fudge ingredients :)
18:25 jcamins        Yay!
18:28 schuster       something odd happened today and some records didn't get indexed by Zebra - so I want to "reindex" the whole thing at the end of today.  Can I just run migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z without stopping or starting anything in particular?
18:29 schuster       I discovered some logs that needed rotation REALLY bad too.
18:29 hdl            schuster: yea...
18:30 hdl            schuster: I wouldnot play -b -a together.
18:30 hdl            Since i think it doesnot work.
18:31 jcamins        -a and -b work together.
18:31 cait           I didn't have any problems afaik, but not totally sure
18:31 jcamins        schuster: that won't reindex.
18:31 jcamins        schuster: you need -b -a -r
18:31 jcamins        schuster: you have a pretty big catalog, so I would encourage you to disable the cron job.
18:31 jcamins        Up until I switched to XML indexing, I always did -b and -a together.
18:31 jcamins        hdl: you're thinking of -a and -x.
18:34 libsysguy      random question: I am getting an account frozen message...I managed to track down that it is being caused by the patron having the debar flag set to 0000-00-00
18:35 libsysguy      it looks like all patrons are set that way unless they are actually debarred
18:35 cait           there is a bug for that
18:35 cait           sip?
18:35 wahanui        sip is enough to make me drink stronger things than wizzyrea's usual beer. Like whiskey.
18:35 libsysguy      oh is there
18:35 cait           yep since yesterday
18:35 libsysguy      ahh
18:35 cait           it's the fine in days breaking it
18:35 hdl            jcamins: the last time i used -b and -a together, i had big surprise.
18:35 cait           want me to find it for you?
18:35 libsysguy      grrr
18:35 cait           yes
18:35 cait           grrrr
18:35 hdl            So... being quite conservative.
18:35 jcamins        hdl: and you weren't using -x?
18:36 hdl            no.
18:36 jcamins        Or -w?
18:36 libsysguy      i've been looking at that all day...I thoguht it was an issue with the hourl ymerge
18:36 cait           libsysguy: 7272
18:36 jcamins        schuster: *never* use -w
18:36 jcamins        NEVER NEVER NEVER.
18:36 cait           libsysguy: if you want to fix it - talk to druthb
18:36 libsysguy      bug 7272
18:36 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7272 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fix for Bug 6328 causes user accounts to be frozen
18:36 cait           libsysguy: she asked me to look at it - ubt I can't test, should be someone who can test it
18:36 jcamins        You have been warned.
18:37 libsysguy      haha
18:37 libsysguy      well i can test...is there a patch
18:37 cait           not that I know of
18:38 cait           you might want to ask someone from bywater
18:38 libsysguy      kk
18:38 libsysguy      cait++
18:40 schuster       ok so recap stop the cron job - then using the appropriate user - migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r  walk away...  In the morning then reactivate the cron for update...
18:42 jcamins        Right.
18:42 schuster       Thanks for the advice...  We've had weird stuff here lately.  Monday before Thanksgiving the spiders hit, then today Zebra went wonky for 10 minutes ...  It is time to upgrade!  New hardware and softwre!
18:42 jcamins        Woohoo!
18:46 rangi          morning
18:46 schuster       Hey rangi great to see you...
18:47 schuster       I'm just getting ready to have lunch.
18:47 rangi          im just on the bus to the reserve bank (like u federal reserve)
18:48 schuster       All well with your family?  I saw the note about little one staying overnight, didn't know the backstory so hope all is well.
18:48 schuster       Don't rob the bank we need you...
18:48 rangi          doing some koha training with them
18:48 schuster       whew...
18:48 rangi          ah he has chicken pox now!
18:48 rangi          but that was tonsils and adenoids
18:48 schuster       Oh my...  Personally never had them and neither did my grandpa... he lived to 94..
18:49 schuster       Allergy problems?
18:49 rangi          he still needs one more op on his stomach for reflux
18:49 schuster       Oh sorry that is so hard...
18:49 rangi          yeah he's a happy little chappy still
18:49 rangi          so we are lucky
18:50 schuster       Thankfully both my boys have grown out of their allergy stages, we did have to do tubes in both ears.  Then he had trigger thumbs so we had to have that operated on...
18:50 rangi          be nice to get it sorted tho, and get some sleep :)
18:50 rangi          ahhh
18:50 schuster       Yep...  I always felt so bad you can't comfort them enough when they are feeling sick.
18:51 rangi          yeah
18:51 schuster       well good luck with your training!  Have a great day!
18:51 rangi          you too
18:56 slef           reports?
18:56 slef           SQL reports?
18:56 rangi          ?
18:56 slef           wiki?
18:56 wahanui        i think wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org
18:56 jcamins        sql report library?
18:56 wahanui        well, sql report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
18:56 slef           damn wahanui
18:56 slef           jcamins: ta
18:56 jcamins        slef: I figured that's what you were going for.
18:56 rangi          slef: simon Phipps did a koha article in computerworld uk
18:57 slef           rangi: :-/
18:57 slef           rangi: Not seen it yet. Any good?
18:57 rangi          dont have url on me
18:57 slef           IIRC he's webmink?
18:57 rangi          yeah not too bad
18:57 rangi          yep
18:57 slef           usually ok on software, bad on org
18:57 rangi          could be a lot worse
18:58 rangi          I think glynn moody did one too
19:01 slef           I've both them on identi.ca. Will grab in a mo.
19:02 cait           slef: can you share the link once you found it? :)
19:02 slef           cait: yeah
19:02 cait           thx :)
19:03 jcamins        cait++ # for making me laugh while I'm stressing about my handout for the presentation tomorrow.
19:04 cait           oh
19:04 cait           jcamins++ for talking with me about sweets while he has to prepare a handout! :)
19:08 rangi          hmm
19:08 rangi          what should I tell the students apply for the academy abot koha
19:08 cait           ask for their favourite cookie flavor? ;)
19:09 rangi          meeting them tonight
19:09 rangi          brb bus stop
19:10 rangi          time for coffee before meeting
19:10 cait           :)
19:10 rangi          or training I should say
19:15 rangi          ok time for bacon even!
19:15 rangi          brb changing to the free wifi
19:17 rangi          this cafe rules!
19:17 rangi          they are blasting out prince tui teka
19:17 cait           heh
19:19 Oak            hello miss cait :)
19:19 * Oak          gives cait cookies with milk
19:19 cait           oooh
19:19 cait           everyone giving me cookies today!
19:19 cait           and hi mr oak :)
19:19 Oak            i may have suggested it... :)
19:21 Oak            you donated blood cait ?
19:21 cait           um yes?
19:22 cait           how do you know?
19:22 jcamins        Oak was missing you, so I said you were donating blood, which was more important than being on #koha. :)
19:22 Oak            hehe
19:23 cait           aah
19:23 cait           that makes sense :)
19:23 Oak            hence the cookies
19:23 cait           I got no coookies
19:23 cait           but got vegetable lasagne and potato salad :)
19:23 cait           after blood donation
19:24 slef           http://wmk.me/rZ8GjW is webmink's article, http://bit.ly/tB0czF is glynmoody's
19:24 cait           slef++
19:24 Oak            slef++
19:24 slef           webmink is tons wide of the mark. "Koha and Why We Need Foundations"
19:24 jcamins        I need a nice collectible-related checkbox.
19:27 Oak            cait, you got no cookies?
19:27 cait           jcamins?
19:27 wahanui        well, jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
19:27 jcamins        Yes?
19:28 cait           Oak: was cake or dinner, opted for dinner :)
19:28 cait           no idea what you were saying
19:28 jcamins        Oh.
19:28 jcamins        I'm preparing a handout.
19:28 Oak            okay good
19:28 jcamins        It includes a checklist.
19:28 jcamins        I would like the checkboxes to be something nice and collectible-related.
19:29 Oak            me go now
19:29 Oak            good night
19:33 cait           ah!
19:33 cait           @wunder Konstanz
19:33 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.3�C (8:29 PM CET on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
19:34 jcamins        That's pretty chilly.
19:34 jcamins        @wunder 11375
19:34 huginn         jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 17.9�C (2:31 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady).
19:34 rangi          @wunder wellington nz
19:34 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on November 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady).
19:35 jcamins        So... any thoughts for an appealing checkbox?
19:35 jcamins        I was thinking an outline drawing of a coin, but I couldn't find any CC-licensed.
19:37 cait           coin is the only idea I had too :(
19:38 jcamins        Ah! The old Chinese coin with square holes!
19:38 jcamins        Wu-zhu?
19:40 jcamins        (I think that might be what they're called)
20:01 * magnus_afk   read that as "appaling checkbox"
20:01 magnus_afk     g'nigt!
20:04 rangi          cya magnus_away
20:04 chrisdothall   rangi: are you training today?
20:04 rangi          yup reserve bank
20:05 rangi          shouldn't take the full day though I think
20:05 rangi          2nd training session
20:06 cait           hi lizzy? :)
20:06 lizzy          hi :)
20:06 rangi          hi lizzy
20:06 * lizzy        has a nickname problem
20:06 * lizzy        glares at wizzyrea
20:06 chrisdothall   heh
20:07 wizzyrea       that's much better :)
20:07 wizzyrea       what's happenin.
20:08 rangi          Hehe
20:08 wizzyrea       how's wee ata?
20:10 rangi          remarkably well
20:10 cait           :)
20:10 rangi          but can't go to school
20:10 wizzyrea       *nod*
20:10 rangi          so annoying his mum
20:10 rangi          Hehe
20:10 wizzyrea       aww
20:10 chrisdothall   hehe a canadian just said to me "
20:10 jcamins        ''?
20:10 wahanui        '' are not there, sorry
20:10 chrisdothall   Ka kite ano!"
20:10 chrisdothall   fail quoting.
20:11 rangi          :)
20:16 cait           hi chrisdothall :)
20:16 cait           what does it mean?
20:16 chrisdothall   cait: http://www.tki.org.nz/r/maori/support/support_tereo_1_e.php
20:17 cait           ta :)
20:19 rangi          K better go
20:20 rangi          Bbl
20:39 oleonard       Just had someone ask me to reset their password... they thought that when I did so their browser's password auto-save would be updated with the new password :|
20:39 wizzyrea       oh my
20:42 jcamins_away   Wow.
20:42 ibeardslee     heh
20:46 schuster       Finally someone else understands my pain!!
20:47 ibeardslee     I used to tell people I'd email their updated login password.  A number of them said thanks .. and then called back.
21:00 wizzyrea       ibeardslee: that is pretty awesome.
21:00 wizzyrea       in a trollish kind of way.
21:01 wizzyrea       amusingly trollish.
21:01 jcamins_away   Woohoo!
21:02 cait           done?
21:02 jcamins_away   Done.
21:02 jcamins_away   And printed.
21:02 cait           wooohoo :)
21:11 collum         @wunder 41017
21:11 huginn         collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 3.8�C (4:09 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Steady).
21:17 cait           night
21:33 maximep        @wunder g2j0b4
21:33 huginn         maximep: The current temperature in Lac Benoit, Quebec is -6.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:33 maximep        so broken -_-
21:34 jcamins        @wunder eh1 2ny
21:34 huginn         jcamins: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 5.7�C (9:32 PM GMT on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa (Steady).
21:34 jcamins        Wow! I didn't know it would do that.
21:35 maximep        it seems to picks a random city in Quebec for me :S
21:35 jcamins        maximep: oh, it wasn't supposed to be Lac Benoit?
21:36 maximep        that has exactly the same stats as Québec
21:36 jcamins        @wunder g29j0b4
21:36 huginn         jcamins: Error: No such location could be found.
21:36 jcamins        @wunder g2j0b4
21:36 maximep        @wunder g2g1t7
21:36 huginn         jcamins: The current temperature in Lac Benoit, Quebec is -6.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: . Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
21:36 wahanui        i already had it that way, huginn.
21:36 huginn         maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is 2.7�C (4:34 PM EST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Steady).
21:36 maximep        good enough, i guess
21:37 wizzyrea       @wunder 66049
21:37 huginn         wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.0�C (3:34 PM CST on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024.3 hPa (Rising).
21:37 wizzyrea       hm, not awful
21:37 maximep        better than 100% humidity
21:37 wizzyrea       >.>
21:37 wizzyrea       <.<
21:37 maximep        alias rain
21:38 wizzyrea       clear days in kansas are the best days.
21:38 wizzyrea       most days are partly to mostly sunny, it's really pretty rare to get a totally clear day
21:38 wizzyrea       only a very few clouds today
21:39 maximep        haven't seen the sun here since 2 weeks
21:39 wizzyrea       http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/smittenkitchen/~3/w5-NEyfo3IQ/ jcamins, this seems relevant to your interests
21:40 jcamins        Uh-oh.
21:40 * jcamins      knows what he'll be doing the next time he has a half hour free.
21:41 wizzyrea       i mean, they've got marshmallows.
21:41 wizzyrea       though they're yummy without too
21:51 aarkerio       hi! two weeks a go I sent an email to Kohal mailing list in order to be added in  http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/
21:52 wizzyrea       hm, possibly I missed it, that happens sometimes
21:52 wizzyrea       sorry about that
21:52 wizzyrea       you have a link to the message?
21:53 aarkerio       I don't know if that happened because I have only an spanish  page:
21:53 aarkerio       http://www.chipotle-software.com/entries/view/kohasupport
21:53 aarkerio       should I translate and add the page in english?
21:53 wizzyrea       not necessary :)
21:53 wizzyrea       and I see this meets the requirements so I'll add it right now
21:55 aarkerio       greeeaaatt! thanks a lot!
21:57 aarkerio       this is my info:
21:57 aarkerio       http://mononeurona.org/admin/entries/edit/18247
22:00 wizzyrea       mm that link requires a login
22:00 wizzyrea       hmm even.
22:03 eythian        tasty login-requiring link
22:03 nengard        anyone noticing that the exctactvalue sql function seems to be working different lately?
22:03 nengard        I have it ask for one subfield but it always seems to give me all of them
22:04 eythian        maybe you need to specify xpath that limits to the first one.
22:04 jcamins        nengard: it gives you an entire DOM tree?
22:04 aarkerio       sorry:  http://mononeurona.org/entries/view/aarkerio/18247
22:04 wizzyrea       ooh spicy :)
22:04 nengard        jcamins it gives me the entire field
22:04 nengard        so i want to see 856$3 for example
22:04 wizzyrea       cool ty
22:05 nengard        and I see 856$3, $z, $u, $y
22:05 eythian        what's your xpath?
22:06 eythian        aarkerio: just fyi, your "Manuals" link is 404
22:08 aarkerio       eythian, thanks!
22:19 eythian        mm hotteenvindaloos.com. It's what's for lunch.
22:19 * wizzyrea     is afraid to click on that link
22:19 chrisdothall   hehe
22:20 eythian        Not Safe For People-Who-Don't-Like-Curry
22:20 * wizzyrea     loves curry
22:25 rhcl           A double order of Beef Vindaloo please.
22:26 eythian        You going to come pick it up?
22:26 wizzyrea       kekeke
22:26 eythian        cos it'll be ready in about an hour :)
22:26 rhcl           No, I want it delivered in <30 minutes.
22:27 wizzyrea       that is the most spartan website I've ever seen
22:27 rhcl           I'll starve at 50 minutes.
22:27 eythian        I'll let you know when fedex/customs finally release my new phone that has been sitting in wellington for the past few days.
22:27 eythian        wizzyrea: it's functional :)
22:27 wizzyrea       i rather like it
22:27 wizzyrea       garlic naan for 1.00
22:28 wizzyrea       I can get behind that
22:28 eythian        well, you get a regular naan by default. The 1.00 is for the upgrade.
22:29 wizzyrea       ooooo
22:29 wizzyrea       still!
22:30 rhcl           I have never known quite how you are supposed to eat naan.
22:30 eythian        open mouth. insert naan
22:30 jcamins        rhcl: I recommend chewing first.
22:30 wizzyrea       with curry!
22:30 jcamins        There are, of course, those who do not.
22:31 rhcl           Both of you seem highly qualified to be technical writers.
22:31 eythian        actually, where we were in India, the bread was used to make it easier to eat the rest of the stuff with your hands.
22:32 wizzyrea       ^^ that was my understanding
22:32 wizzyrea       naan = edible fork
22:32 wizzyrea       well more like a spoon really
22:32 rhcl           I remember eating something in Thailand at an Indian Restaurant. There are about 700 million Indians living there, and the restaurants are just about 100% India authentic.
22:33 rhcl           I couldn't read the menu, just pointed to something I vaguely realize was dead sheep. It was nothing but bones. Tasty, but bones.
22:33 jcamins        wizzyrea: eythian: hopefully you used your right hands.
22:34 rhcl           Similar thing in Vietnam. Just pointed at something chicken. Nothing but chicken skin. Chicken Skin.
22:34 eythian        jcamins: I only have one right hand.
22:34 eythian        mm chicken skin.
22:34 jcamins        eythian: yeah, but wizzyrea has one too, doesn't she?
22:34 eythian        I don't know, though it seems plausible.
22:35 * jcamins      realizes that he's never actually seen a picture of it.
22:35 wizzyrea       naw, I type this fast with one hand
22:35 wizzyrea       you should be familiar with that
22:35 jcamins        wizzyrea: sorry to bring up bad memories.
22:35 * wizzyrea     laughs at her terribly awfully awful joke
22:35 wizzyrea       oh I made myself laugh
22:37 jcamins        wizzyrea++ # for ensuring that someone is laughing in #koha
22:37 jcamins        :)
22:37 wizzyrea       but yes, I would only eat right handed.
22:37 wizzyrea       :P
22:38 rhcl           melia must have had a long lunch.
22:38 melia          I always change that and then forget to go eat!
22:38 rhcl           probably chicken skin curry. Stuff is heck to chew.
22:39 jcamins        rhcl: lol
22:39 melia          LOL
22:40 eythian        I hope you both actually laughed out loud then, otherwise it's a lie!
22:40 melia          eythian: are you calling me a liar?
22:40 eythian        that depends, did you laugh out loud?
22:40 wizzyrea       look out eythian, she's going to get out "the look"
22:40 melia          yep. and I just did it again! :)
22:40 eythian        then no :)
22:41 eythian        wizzyrea: this look? ಠ_ಠ
22:41 wizzyrea       isn't that the Dexter (from Dexter's Lab) look?
22:42 jcamins        eythian: I did.
22:42 eythian        I suppose it could be that too
23:09 rhcl           http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/11/google-maps-the-indoors-finding-nearest-bathroom-has-never-been-easier.ars
23:09 rhcl           suppose it could tie into an opac and help patrons find books in the stacks?
23:12 eythian        wouldn't be nearly accurate enough inside a smaller building
23:12 eythian        I suppose if you had a lot of wireless access points, it could work
23:15 jcamins        Would you call MARC a stream-oriented format?
23:15 * jcamins      would, but he's not sure that the heading "stream-oriented format" would make sense to anyone else.
23:15 eythian        I would, but I'm like that.
23:16 eythian        Also in the sense of "would throw it into a river if I could"
23:16 jcamins        You'd like my subheading, then.
23:16 jcamins        * Stream-oriented formats
23:16 jcamins        - Why MARC must die
23:16 eythian        heh
23:20 * jcamins      makes an impassioned plea for requiring everyone to understand 2NF.
23:27 wizzyrea       hm there's probably money to be made in very-small-devices-specifically for wireless location within buildings
23:28 wizzyrea       very small and cheap.
23:45 rangi          back
23:53 * chris_n      's 5 year old daughter just asked about "gigglebytes" :-)
23:54 jcamins        chris_n: gigglebytes are a measure of funny cat videos.
23:54 wizzyrea       haha your kid is awesome.
23:54 * chris_n      figured wizzyrea would get a kick out of that
23:55 wizzyrea       spud is in love with my "tabble ett"
23:55 jcamins        chris_n: see, this is one gigglebyte: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiz80CuDN8Y
23:55 * wizzyrea     notes that babies do that too
23:55 jcamins        chris_n: and this is about four gigglebytes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=go43XeW6Wg4
23:56 jcamins        Maybe five.
23:56 wizzyrea       that is pretty funny
23:57 chris_n        hehe
23:58 * jcamins      watches the kitten on the slide.
23:58 wizzyrea       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3HBZC-AY8&feature=related this one requires a new metric
23:59 * jcamins      finds the hamster ball funnier.
23:59 wizzyrea       yea that one's more cute