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23:43 rhcl_away u 2 are funny
23:37 Judit :D
23:37 Brooke Tell me about your mother?
23:37 Judit what if i want to stalk myself<
23:37 * Brooke shakes the magic 8 ball.
23:37 Judit what is wrong with me?:)
23:36 Brooke and stalk the folks that aren't you.
23:36 Brooke would be to visit http://translate.koha-community.org/hu/
23:36 Brooke another thing to do
23:33 Brooke that too
23:33 Brooke in theory, someone that did a bit of Hu translate work back before the swap of the decade ;)
23:33 Judit yeah, i know, google is my friend:)
23:33 Judit hm who is AGnes Imecs
23:30 Brooke also, the interwebs is whispering that there's a cage match between ISO Latin 2 and UTF 8 for proper display
23:29 Judit just a sec
23:29 Judit okay
23:29 Brooke so in theory someone knows how to fiddle with this a lot better than me.
23:29 Brooke and unless your friend is Agnes Imecs, might not be the first Library in Hungary.
23:28 Judit i found it
23:28 Judit oh
23:28 Judit :)
23:28 Judit which tab is that on....
23:26 Brooke Home > Administration > System Prefs
23:26 Brooke check the tabby thing labeled i18nl10n
23:26 Brooke okay
23:25 Judit even though i select utf 8
23:25 Judit that is in the search, but also after the import into koha
23:24 Judit and they all com up like#$%$^
23:24 Brooke Encoding is a bitch.
23:24 Judit we have many special charaters like üóéáúű
23:24 * Brooke shakes the ball again
23:24 Judit so the charaters are all gone weird
23:23 Judit hang on:)
23:23 Brooke you have to reset the daemon?
23:23 Judit and after a search
23:23 * Brooke shakes the magic 8 ball
23:23 Judit and all looks ok, but i added a hungarian z39.50 server
23:22 Judit i am trying to help a friend to set up the first koha on hungary
23:22 Judit yes
23:22 Judit what was it
23:22 Judit i wanted to ask something
23:22 Judit uh
23:06 huginn Brooke: The operation succeeded.
23:06 Brooke @later tell oak I will totally help you with your project. Send it to me via email.
23:03 Brooke speak proper english!
23:03 Brooke hehehehh
23:03 wizzyrea with my fush and chups.
23:03 wizzyrea smecking
23:03 wizzyrea right
23:03 Brooke you mean smeking, yes?
23:03 wizzyrea gotta go
23:03 wizzyrea hometime
23:03 wizzyrea ok
23:03 wizzyrea but I do like slapping wahanui about
23:03 Brooke once a ratbag, always a ratbag.
23:03 wizzyrea oh I wasn't going to change it
23:02 wizzyrea see, still a ratbag.
23:02 wahanui I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag.
23:02 wizzyrea brooke?
23:02 rangi wizzyrea: yep seems ok to me
23:02 Brooke heh it's funny as, keep it!
23:02 wizzyrea brooke is not a ratbag.
23:02 Brooke wahanhui eythian is also brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin
23:02 * wizzyrea slaps wahanui
23:02 wahanui I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag.
23:02 eythian Brooke?
23:02 wahanui eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence
23:02 Brooke eythian?
23:01 wizzyrea there betterer?
23:01 Brooke Mebbe get a little place in Strongbadia?
23:01 wizzyrea lol ok
23:00 wizzyrea the way in which it's done is ok?
23:00 rangi id have put that as the bug name too, cos it soounds more betterer hehe
23:00 rangi reverting to previous sort order seems ok to me
23:00 wizzyrea no, I mean haha
23:00 Brooke rangi++
23:00 wizzyrea crazy hat and all
23:00 wizzyrea gaga
23:00 rangi but if im gonna say that, i should step up and do it
22:59 rangi :)
22:59 wizzyrea :)
22:59 wizzyrea it probably should be
22:59 rangi im gonna be annoying and say, maybe the sort should be sysprefable
22:58 rangi right
22:58 wizzyrea I believe I preserved the thing that 6600 was trying to fix
22:58 wizzyrea the way it used to work anyway
22:58 wizzyrea well not exactly
22:58 rangi its putting it back the way it used to be eh?
22:57 huginn 04Bug 7271: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Change sort on detail.pl to be by home library instead of holding branch
22:57 wizzyrea any opinions about this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7271 (and the patch that's there)
22:53 rangi yup, sounds like he has a strong case
22:53 eythian I see mtj gets a passing shout out in that first one
22:52 Brooke :D
22:52 rangi hi Brooke
22:52 wizzyrea whaddup :)
22:52 Brooke o/
22:51 rangi those came through in my feed reader today
22:51 rangi http://www.librarian.net/stax/3744/trademark-battles-koha-liblime-us-new-zealand/
22:50 rangi http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/51409-koha-trademark-top-lawyer-says-trust-has-stronger-case
22:49 wizzyrea he arises!
22:49 rangi we have one of those?
22:47 wizzyrea but I'm not really in the sekkrit club that knows stuff. ;)
22:47 wizzyrea but to answer your question, I have not heard anything new
22:46 ibeardslee oh yeah that's right
22:46 wizzyrea or at least he was.
22:46 wizzyrea rangi is away with a sick kiddo today.
22:46 ibeardslee rangi: or anyone else .. any further updates on the trademark 'process'?
22:42 Judit bike time too
22:42 Judit :)
22:41 wizzyrea woohoo!
22:41 Judit so i am happy
22:41 Judit the rain is gone, sunshine is here
22:41 wizzyrea how about you?
22:41 wizzyrea i am well :)
22:41 Judit how are you
22:41 Judit hi rea
22:40 wizzyrea hi judit
22:40 wahanui what's up, Judit
22:40 Judit hi
21:56 rhcl ah
21:50 wizzyrea so many people left all at once
21:48 rhcl subject - verb - direct object format?
21:48 rhcl ?
21:44 wizzyrea :P
21:44 wizzyrea gracious, like rats on the titanic
20:50 cait now he was faster - g'night #koha
20:49 magnuse g'night #koha
20:48 cait :)
20:48 rangi ok spotyas later
20:48 wizzyrea i'm so glad he likes it ^.^
20:48 magnuse hehe
20:48 wizzyrea lol :D
20:48 rangi after he tried to feed it cheerios
20:48 magnuse here's hoping he gets well real soon!
20:48 rangi wizzyrea: we already had to wash the bear
20:48 wizzyrea :(
20:48 cait :(
20:48 wizzyrea poor little thing!
20:48 wizzyrea oh my gracious!
20:48 rangi yeah if the operation wasnt enough, atarau now has chicken pox
20:47 magnuse ouch?
20:47 rangi chicken pox in the hizzouse
20:47 rangi right im off home
20:30 oleonard See you later #koha
19:40 jcamins And then set up a filter doing that.
19:39 jcamins indradg: I considered that, and decided it's easy enough to say "please respond to the mailing list, I will delete all private communication going forward."
19:38 indradg jcamins, good luck! now the queries will hit you directly instead of the m/l
19:37 jcamins oleonard: I'm betting they're not.
19:35 indradg just saw a post on koha-user asking for barcodes on 2.2.9
19:35 oleonard It may be, as long as they're providing support and patches
19:35 jcamins Well, I'm glad they decided to go open source, anyway.
19:34 jcamins Oh dear.
19:34 wizzyrea oh my.
19:34 indradg and unfortunately folks at DelNet think that 2.2.9 on windows is their way to library nirvana in india :P
19:34 jcamins Right?
19:34 jcamins Yet.
19:33 jcamins And it's not quite old enough to drink.
19:33 jcamins 2.2.9 was a good vintage.
19:32 indradg jcamins, we seem to be being hit by the "2.2.9 bug" from India :P
19:32 * cait goes back to her bug
19:32 jcamins If the browbeating involved a check for *a lot*, I could be pursuaded.
19:32 cait sorry, imagining it makes me laugh
19:31 cait lol
19:31 oleonard You'd have to browbeat me pretty severely for me to throw together a video in lecture form
19:31 jcamins This Russian journal from the twenties has a humor page. I don't get it.
19:30 jcamins We tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, and convince ourselves it was a language issue, but indradg said that it wasn't so much a language issue as a belief that open source developers can be browbeaten into providing unlimited free support. It was a valiant effort on our parts, though. :)
19:29 cait lol
19:28 jcamins oleonard: he signed onto IRC for five minutes to request that we provide him the step-by-step screenshots too.
19:28 chris_n lol
19:27 oleonard :D
19:27 rangi but im refilming in 3D
19:27 rangi i did
19:27 oleonard I'm surprised no one has whipped that up
19:27 cait lol
19:27 rangi heh
19:27 oleonard Personally I'm fond of the request for step by step screenshots or video in lecture form on how to integrate EBSCO, open access databases through pazpar2
19:26 jcamins :)
19:26 cait got it
19:26 cait oh
19:25 cait SOL?
19:25 jcamins "Sorry, you're basically SOL."
19:25 cait jcamins++
19:25 * jcamins responded.
19:23 rangi yup
19:22 chris_n that's a real antique
19:22 chris_n 2.2.9 windoz version... wow...
19:20 jcamins :P
19:20 jcamins No, but it takes up a lot more space than "LC" and "BL."
19:20 * cait thinks that is not a long name for a German library
19:19 jcamins And is much easier to type. ;)
19:19 jcamins That takes up much less space than "Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin."
19:19 jcamins Thanks.
19:19 cait yeah, that looks right
19:18 cait http://stabikat.de/CHARSET=ISO-8859-1/DB=1/LNG=DU/CMD?ACT=SRCHA&IKT=1016&SRT=YOP&TRM=sbb
19:18 cait jcamins: looks like SBB
19:18 jcamins Ah! Thanks.
19:17 cait SBB
19:17 jcamins Hm. So Stabi probably is the official. Thanks. :)
19:16 cait apparently they call their opac stabikat :)
19:16 cait I can look for one
19:16 jcamins If there's an official one, that's even better.
19:15 jcamins Thanks.
19:15 cait or the official? :)
19:15 cait stabi I think
19:15 jcamins cait: what's the abbreviation for the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin?
19:01 maximep *for first time in forever
19:01 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 18.7�C (1:56 PM EST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady).
19:01 jcamins @wunder 11375
19:01 maximep not raining here for what seems like forever =)
19:01 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 7.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
19:00 maximep @wunder yul
18:57 * slef goes to dry out
18:57 slef Light??? Rain
18:57 huginn slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 12.2�C (6:55 PM GMT on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
18:57 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
18:54 chris_n its actually full-blown rain here
18:54 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
18:54 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:54 cait that's a lot nicr
18:54 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 18.0�C (1:35 PM EST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
18:54 chris_n @wunder 28334
18:53 huginn cait: Quote #140: "<oleonard> That's why I'm the only one with a flying car. I just didn't figure anyone else would be interested." (added by gmcharlt at 12:39 PM, June 03, 2011)
18:53 cait @quote random
18:53 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.9�C (7:49 PM CET on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Steady).
18:53 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:51 chris_n hey cait
18:51 cait hi chris_n :)
18:50 chris_n hi rangi
18:46 rhcl rangi
18:44 cait good morning :)
18:44 rangi morning
18:38 cait oleonard++
18:38 cait yep
18:35 rhcl )
18:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1623 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Retain history of approved comments
18:35 rhcl oleonard++ (Comments Bug 1623
18:11 jcamins wizzyrea: but if the sort always used to be home branch with no options, I don't see how you're losing anything.
18:10 wizzyrea but - the home branch sort does have a certain kind of charm.
18:10 oleonard More unintended consequences
18:10 wizzyrea i mean, i'm taking quote 123 into account here - I understand that it might be only my libraries that want this sort
18:09 wizzyrea a pseudo-regression, but not really
18:09 jcamins In terms of customizeability, I don't see any reason not to change the default sort back to what it was. This isn't a new feature.
18:09 wizzyrea the patch for 6600 changed the default sort
18:08 wizzyrea and
18:08 wizzyrea yea that's what I was worried about :/
18:08 jcamins In terms of performance, much better.
18:08 wizzyrea sql sort > tablesorter?
18:08 wizzyrea right - I was concerned about performance though
18:07 sekjal wizzyrea: better to do the sorting as late in the game as possible, so it's easier to sort differently on different pages (or based on library prefs)
18:04 wizzyrea any other ideas are welcome as well
18:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7271 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Change sort on detail.pl to be by home library instead of holding branch
18:04 wizzyrea I need feedback on bug 7271
18:04 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 1623] Retain history of approved comments <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1623>
17:51 rhcl later Oak
17:51 Oak night guys
17:50 rhcl At one point I had completely memorized the "Masque of the Red Death", now only bits and pieces.
17:48 rhcl One of those things which never made it to the status of a post-nominal
17:48 rhcl I confess I have a cursory exposure to many different subjects, but find I need to wikipeida frequently to refresh my memory. I can still quote Shakespeare at some length, for example, but sometimes forget the context.
17:46 jcamins rhcl: you know more than most people!
17:46 rhcl I'm at the limits of my knowledge of the subject
17:46 jcamins He felt the new world order required a new, non-fictional form of film.
17:46 rhcl ic
17:46 jcamins He was pro-proletarian, anti-"fiction."
17:45 jcamins Then he got in trouble for Sixth Part of the World
17:45 rhcl or are you saying he was anti-proletarian?
17:45 jcamins Vertov? Yeah.
17:45 rhcl but he did propaganda films, right?
17:45 jcamins Yup.
17:44 rhcl think we had same underlying thought
17:44 jcamins He was rabidly anti-"fiction" for proletarian film.
17:44 jcamins I was simplifying.
17:44 jcamins rhcl: no, he was anti-Eisenstein-style film.
17:43 rhcl Vertov differed from Eisenstein (theatre vs documentary), but was he anti-Eisenstein?
17:43 * oleonard has never tried it
17:43 sekjal with monsters
17:43 sekjal Minecraft is delightfully pointless. like being immersed in a 3D Lego world
17:42 jcamins :P
17:42 * jcamins awards himself a cookie for having killed that conversation.
17:37 jcamins s/rapidly/rabidly/
17:37 * jcamins writes about Dziga Vertov's rapidly anti-Eisenstein stance instead.
17:37 wizzyrea or you mean you put your fist through the computer screen
17:37 wizzyrea you don't have to play coop :P
17:37 wizzyrea ...isn't that what games *are*
17:37 libsysguy nope…my fuse is too short with games…it becomes a competition
17:36 * jcamins doesn't play videogames.
17:36 wizzyrea not even angry birds?
17:36 * libsysguy plays no videogames…he is only allowed to code from the basement
17:35 * sekjal allows himself a little bit of Minecraft, but that's it for video games
17:35 wizzyrea !!
17:35 * oleonard just started it last night!
17:34 * wizzyrea giggles
17:34 * wizzyrea has been playing portal 2 all weekend - don't talk to me about science!
17:34 libsysguy agreed…inconvienent…but agreed
17:34 sekjal FOR SCIENCE!
17:34 sekjal reduce one more variable in the process
17:33 sekjal so we can all test on the same thing
17:33 sekjal what we really need, as a community as a whole, is a very detailed and robust set of testing data
17:33 libsysguy np
17:33 sekjal cool, thanks libsysguy
17:32 libsysguy we have a pretty strong VM cluster set up here
17:32 libsysguy well If i can put something up for you guys let me know
17:32 libsysguy indeed
17:31 sekjal yeah, it's just a crowded time of year in the US, schedule-wise
17:31 libsysguy turkey always slows me down too
17:31 libsysguy is there a snag in that…we might be able to provide something
17:31 sekjal holiday slowed me up a bit
17:31 libsysguy oh w00t
17:31 sekjal goal is to open that up to everyone, so we can get as many testers looking at it as possible
17:30 sekjal we're working with Catalyst to get a solid test instance set up
17:30 libsysguy uh oh
17:30 sekjal there is a bit
17:30 sekjal well, no
17:30 sekjal libsysguy: nothing to report
17:29 libsysguy sekjal since I have you around…hourly?
17:28 sekjal jcamins: right, batch update/delete handle zebra
17:28 libsysguy ohh well there is a silver lining
17:27 wizzyrea yes it does update zebraqueue
17:27 wizzyrea no it won't require a reindex
17:27 wizzyrea yes, i mean
17:27 wizzyrea nope
17:27 jcamins sekjal: does the batch item deletion tool update zebraqueue?
17:27 jcamins Don't see why.
17:27 jcamins No.
17:27 jcamins Extract the list of barcodes, use the batch delete tool.
17:27 libsysguy yeah but that requires a full index right
17:26 jcamins libsysguy: delete all items that you want to replace, then add items?
17:26 wizzyrea ah yea, adding url's = can't batch that
17:25 libsysguy and that is kind of a one at a time thing
17:25 libsysguy we needed to add url's to items
17:25 libsysguy is there any work in getting overlaying for items working?
17:23 wahanui i guess the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:23 wizzyrea the first question?
17:22 libsysguy sorry stepped away
17:22 wizzyrea the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot first question
17:21 wizzyrea forget the first question
17:21 wahanui the first question is probably why you would pick a strange version like that. 3.4.3 is the current stable release
17:21 wizzyrea the first question?
17:21 wizzyrea the first question is what are you trying to do?
17:21 wizzyrea "what are you trying to do"
17:21 wizzyrea see we forgot to ask the first question
17:21 wizzyrea ^^ there you have it
17:21 sekjal nope, no way to overlay on items yet. you either add them or not... if you're adding, then if the barcode already exists, it won't update
17:21 jcamins wizzyrea: that was my understanding, too.
17:20 wizzyrea why not batch edit them?
17:20 wizzyrea at least, that was my understanding
17:20 wizzyrea I don't think you can overlay items
17:19 libsysguy its set to overlay on the oclc #…and in the import it says it has all the records matched
17:18 jcamins And you're sure you have the overlay set up correctly?
17:17 libsysguy in the item record (we are changing the call number) it didn't change
17:17 libsysguy ok so after rerunning the import i went and looked at the db
17:13 * cait goes back to making dinner
17:13 jcamins Try undoing the import, then doing it again?
17:13 cait ignore me
17:13 cait ah, overlay
17:13 jcamins If you view the detail page and don't see the changes, the import wasn't actually done.
17:12 cait is your record in the bilbio table?
17:12 libsysguy hmm
17:12 jcamins That would only affect search results.
17:11 jcamins Well, definitely not an indexing issue.
17:11 jcamins Hm.
17:10 libsysguy and it said it completed the import of records
17:10 libsysguy no we did that
17:09 libsysguy its not correct
17:09 jcamins libsysguy: in that case it has nothing to do with the index, and -- I suspect -- everything to do with the fact that you didn't go to Manage Batches and click "Import this batch." :P
17:09 libsysguy but after processing and looking up the record in the staff client
17:09 libsysguy and it says it matched
17:09 libsysguy when we view the marc record in the stage its correct
17:08 libsysguy no its not showing up period
17:08 jcamins libsysguy: are the changes showing up when you view the records, and just not affecting search results?
17:07 libsysguy is it possible to run rebuild with -b -x -z
17:06 cait hi libsysguy :)
17:06 libsysguy hi cait :)
17:06 libsysguy should we rebuild from the xml?
17:06 cait hi #koha
17:05 libsysguy and the changes didn't show up after a partial index
17:05 libsysguy we were doing an overlay
17:05 libsysguy that worked kind of
16:55 libsysguy ok ill give it a shot
16:55 jcamins libsysguy: I think you specify the name.
16:55 wahanui jcamins is, like, supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
16:55 libsysguy do you know jcamins
16:55 libsysguy if I need to use a matching rule….i see the flag but it doesn't really say how to specify it
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16:54 libsysguy haha
16:54 jcamins Whew! I can begin to recover from my huginn withdrawal. ;)
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16:54 libsysguy @karma
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16:53 jcamins @karma
16:53 libsysguy jcamins++
16:53 jcamins You're welcome.
16:53 libsysguy thanks jcamins
16:53 jcamins misc/stage_biblios_file.pl
16:53 libsysguy found it
16:53 jcamins stage_biblios_file.pl
16:52 jcamins misc?
16:52 jcamins Somewhere.
16:52 jcamins It's there.
16:52 jcamins find ~/kohaclone -name "stage*.pl" -print
16:52 jcamins Hmm.
16:52 libsysguy but i didn't find that file
16:52 libsysguy they are
16:51 jcamins Note, however, that if the records are not in UTF-8 you need kf's patch.
16:51 libsysguy haha thats what i just ran :p
16:51 jcamins find ~/kohaclone -name "stage_marc*" -print
16:51 jcamins libsysguy: yeah, use stage_marc_something.pl
16:50 libsysguy is there anyway to do that via shell without having to do a full index
16:50 libsysguy and it seems to be hanging
16:50 libsysguy I am trying to stage a marc file with about 300 records through the web interface
16:50 libsysguy morning Koha
16:21 reiveune bye
16:18 kf time to leave - bye all
16:18 magnuse tee hee
16:17 * jcamins knows lots of mobilephobes. ;)
16:16 magnuse s/phobes/phones/ ;-)
16:16 magnuse rumour has is ones that live near people can imitate mobile phobes ;-)
16:16 magnuse "known for their noisy, unusual call, different for each individual, that combine bellbird-like notes with clicks, cackles, timber-like creaks and groans, and wheezing sounds" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tui_%28bird%29
16:12 jcamins magnuse: and the iut, best known for his callowness here in New York.
16:06 magnuse and then there's tui, the nz bird
16:06 chris_n never can seem to get "tuit," period :-P
16:05 * chris_n would be glad for any kind of tuit
16:02 magnuse wow, you learn something new every day on #koha :-)
16:02 wizzyrea I hear hexagonal tuits have supernatural powers.
16:01 magnuse "A circular object giving its owner the ability to get done everything that would have otherwise been put off to a later date." http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/round_tuit
16:01 jcamins Ah.
16:01 gmcharlt not to be confused with square tuits
16:01 rhcl and my secretary forgot to make coffee for me this morning, so now I have to go do it. Just as well, she doesn't have the artisan skill of making coffee
16:01 wizzyrea or "when I get around to it"
16:01 wizzyrea or "round to it's"
16:01 wizzyrea as in "round tuits"
16:00 magnuse tuits?
15:59 rhcl and I'm trying to work with two different groups coding a new public access control application at the local university
15:59 jcamins tuits?
15:58 wizzyrea that's what I suspected you were asking for :)
15:58 rhcl someday I might get the time to actually sit down and start looking at Koha code and figure it out on my own, but if I got out of my environment for a day and just had some tutoring without distractions....
15:58 wizzyrea tuits!
15:58 wizzyrea not tutus.
15:58 wizzyrea wait.
15:58 * wizzyrea gives gmcharlt more tuitus
15:57 gmcharlt jcamins: not enough tuits
15:57 rhcl I am more of a sys admin (for all things tech), and have to fix hardware, manage a dozen "systems", including telephones, public access system, wireless controllers, file servers, virtual machines
15:57 jcamins grs1--
15:57 kf I think something like: test you can add new stuff, it displays right, you can change it, you can delete it
15:57 kf hm
15:57 wizzyrea :P
15:56 wizzyrea and "when to feel like a failure of a tester" too.
15:56 wizzyrea well a "best practices for testing" would probably be nice
15:56 jcamins gmcharlt: did you ever have any success in developing your new way to keep the frameworks in line with the MARC standards?
15:55 wahanui somebody said testing was fun! or easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:55 wizzyrea testing?
15:55 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
15:55 wizzyrea testing is also easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:55 sekjal "and somewhere, a miracle occurs"
15:55 jcamins Did I write that?
15:55 jcamins ^.^
15:55 wahanui testing is fun!
15:55 wizzyrea testing?
15:55 jcamins >.>
15:55 jcamins <.<
15:55 wizzyrea testing is easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:55 rhcl I would really benefit from having a bit of meat with that tidbit
15:55 wizzyrea hehe
15:54 rhcl yes, weell, for example, the instructions for testing: <quote>You test it.</quote>
15:51 wizzyrea if jcamins comes I'll just let him teach it :P
15:51 * jcamins books a plane ticket.
15:51 magnuse yeah, sounds like a lovely excursion - visiting wizzyrea to learn git
15:48 wizzyrea (in fact that was my first thought - just read the wiki - but I didn't want to seem rude. I know sometimes it's nice to get away from the library to learn stuff)
15:48 wizzyrea I should say, the wiki pages are wicked helpful
15:47 wahanui I haven't seen 'this', magnuse
15:47 magnuse rhcl: seen this? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
15:45 wizzyrea i have a wicked amount of time off this month though - let me figure out my schedule and we can figure something out
15:45 wizzyrea nah I'm always down for hosting kohapeeps
15:45 wizzyrea not a "sage on the stage"
15:45 rhcl sure? don't let me talk you into this if you don't have the time or otherwise
15:45 wizzyrea and we can go through it together if you want, but it'd be more of a "guide on the side" kind of thing
15:44 wizzyrea oh - well, sure you can come down here for a day
15:44 rhcl of sign-offs we'd be smarter sooner
15:44 wizzyrea if it was drunken, I missed it - unless I was drunk on puke.
15:43 rhcl see, we're (my tech and I) are probably smart enough to figure out perl, and someday we will wade through git, but if we just had somebody to take a 6-hour day and walk us through a series
15:43 oleonard Drunken post-Thanksgiving class-volunteering?
15:42 wizzyrea O.O
15:42 jcamins wizzyrea++ # for teaching a course on Intro to Koha Bug Fixing and Git.
15:42 rhcl basically, the steps to testing and signing off on bugs
15:42 wizzyrea O.o well, i'm an amateur at best ;)
15:41 rhcl "Intro to Koha Bug Fixing and Git"
15:41 * jcamins sends cookies too.
15:41 * kf sends wizzyrea cookies
15:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , se queries with paranthesis fail
15:41 kf bug 5369
15:41 * wizzyrea has been off for 5 days
15:41 kf but 5369
15:41 kf typo...
15:41 wizzyrea which class?
15:41 rhcl wizzyrea: are u going to teach that class we were talking about?
15:40 jcamins kf: did I have anything to do with that?
15:40 Oak ah
15:40 Oak wizzyrea, what are those 4 funding schemes ... names?
15:40 wizzyrea our member libraries are funded by either municipal, district, or county taxes levied by the library board
15:40 rhcl_away yes, I should have added the tax is based on real property
15:39 Oak rhcl_away, hmm.
15:39 wizzyrea NEKLS is funded by state statue, a small mill levy on property taxes in all areas of our region not collecting taxes for a local library
15:39 rhcl_away so we are our own independent taxing district
15:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5269 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, link to patron edit form when editing turned off
15:38 kf bug 5269
15:38 rhcl_away Oak: our library is funded by taxes - our library district is independent of any state, county or municipal boundaries, although in fact it does follow county boundaries mostly.
15:38 wizzyrea there are at least 4 (that I can think of) funding schemes in my system alone
15:38 kf huginn++
15:38 kf let me find the bug number
15:38 kf jcamins: :)
15:38 wizzyrea right
15:38 Oak i see
15:38 wizzyrea it belongs to the friends group
15:38 jcamins But any money that the *library* has must be accounted for. The Friends group will have to do their own accounting.
15:38 Oak why? who does it belong to?
15:37 Oak i see. hmm
15:37 wizzyrea but that money doesn't really belong to the library
15:37 jcamins True.
15:37 wizzyrea a lot of libraries have foundations or friends groups that raise money for the library on the side
15:36 jcamins kf: I do have a few minutes. I was just hiding. ;)
15:35 jcamins Most likely.
15:35 Oak uh oh
15:35 jcamins Oak: they'd have to account for all their income/expenditures.
15:35 magnuse "Do you have a bug you need identified?" ;-)
15:34 Oak do* its own fund raising...
15:34 jcamins kf: sure.
15:34 Oak question: suppose a government, or some foundation is responsible for providing funds to a public library. then is it allowed for a public library to go its own fund raising and spend that money where they please? or will they have to provide details for how much they collected to the government also?
15:33 oleonard http://www.whatsthatbug.com/
15:33 kf ah, I can ask again later ;)
15:33 kf jcamins: do you have a few minutes? :)
15:33 * jcamins hides.
15:33 kf jcamins: I wanted to ask you something about a bug
15:30 slef jcamins: oic
15:29 jcamins slef: Gallup organization survey. http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/flash/fl_283_en.pdf
15:28 wizzyrea if you're gonna have it, one day is the best possible outcome ;)
15:28 magnuse 2_or_more_days_puking--
15:28 magnuse 1_day_puking++
15:27 wizzyrea but the puking was only one day
15:27 slef jcamins: what was that entrepreneurship thing from?
15:27 wizzyrea well, aside from the puking kid, 5 days off in a row was pretty great.
15:27 wahanui gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
15:27 jcamins And gmcharlt?
15:27 jcamins Have a nice Thanksgiving, wizzyrea?
15:26 jcamins Okay, huginn's not that concerned, I guess.
15:26 huginn jcamins: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011)
15:26 jcamins @quote random
15:24 wizzyrea ;)
15:24 wizzyrea it's because I'm here, huginn doesn't want me getting a big head.
15:22 magnuse hehe
15:22 huginn magnuse: Quote #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better" (added by gmcharlt at 07:49 PM, September 13, 2011)
15:22 magnuse @quote random
15:20 huginn jcamins: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
15:20 jcamins @quote random
15:20 jcamins wizzyrea: the last four quotes I've seen from huginn were all added by you, I think.
15:19 magnuse hiya wizzyrea
15:19 wizzyrea and good morning
15:19 wizzyrea I swear he's becoming sentient
15:19 jcamins magnuse: it is, isn't it?
15:19 magnuse wb gmcharlt - we missed huginn... and you! ;-)
15:18 magnuse wow, that quote was eerily relevant to what jcamins just said
15:18 jcamins Checking that huginn is still working? :)
15:17 chris_n wb gmcharlt
15:14 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #109: "<darling>yep — china kicks ass" (added by wizzyrea at 10:29 PM, December 01, 2010)
15:14 gmcharlt @quote random
15:14 jcamins Apparently people in Iceland are the most optimistic about the possibilities of entrepreneurship, followed by the people of Norway, Sweden, and China. Least optimistic about entrepreneurship as a way to make a living are the Japanese, Dutch, and Hungarian.
15:12 chris_n is it safe for turkeys to come out now?
15:10 magnuse no court cases here that i know of, but some municipalities with tight budgets spend as little as they can on libraries...
15:09 slef magnuse: similar here. Recently Somerset County Council lost a court case when it tried to close libraries improperly. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15752432
15:06 jcamins Libraries aren't particularly mandatory in the States, either.
14:48 magnuse but it does not say he/she has to work 100%, and lots of municipalities have gotten exemptions, because no one with the education applied for the job
14:48 kf libraries are not mandatory here and funding varies
14:47 kf magnuse: that's very cool!
14:47 magnuse on the other hand it does say that the leader of the library should be educated as a librarian
14:47 magnuse it does not say anything about the level of service that should be provided, though
14:46 magnuse in norway, there's a law saying that every municipality myst have and fund a public library
14:45 Oak i should google that... funding model for public libraries...
14:45 Oak so may be our govt. will keep giving us money year after year
14:44 Oak i see. i don't know.
14:44 oleonard Doesn't your government have a funding model for public libraries?
14:44 oleonard Oak, why is your fictional government funding one-time?
14:43 Oak it'll be a perfect combination for review
14:43 Oak and i've never worked in a library
14:43 kf I never had courses abut project management
14:43 kf hmpf
14:42 Oak you *are*.
14:42 kf hehe I am not your teacher!
14:42 Oak should i send it to you for reading when you get home?
14:42 Oak that's what i was thinking
14:42 kf not so mini :)
14:42 Oak we (our group) have written the proposal but our (fictional) funding source is government. so, govt. gave us money now, but who will give us money after one year?
14:41 Oak :) well, we were given a (mini) project by the Project Management teacher to draw a proposal for a new library.
14:40 kf what is the question behind your question?
14:40 Oak hm. i see.
14:40 oleonard Examples: direct state/local/regional funding; foundation funding; local levies (direct taxpayer funding)
14:39 kf some are funded by the church I think
14:39 Oak hmm
14:39 kf most of the time
14:39 Oak so what are some of examples of funding sources?
14:39 kf public library here means theat the town or city is funding it
14:39 Oak okay
14:38 kf I think it's different
14:38 Oak how does a public library make money so it does not have to rely on government's grant?
14:38 oleonard But funding can be different from place to place.
14:38 oleonard Generally speaking the definition of a public library could be one that is publicly funded
14:37 Oak the gumment?
14:37 Oak who funds public libraries?
13:34 kf they know about the other too now
13:34 kf their repo, there was a link on twitter
13:34 jcamins_away Well, the fix for one of the vulnerabilities.
13:33 kf it's in the repo
13:33 kf or more my coworker who had to apply them
13:33 oleonard Has PTFS posted their fix for the vulnerability yet?
13:32 kf kept us busy
13:32 kf yep
13:31 oleonard Yes
13:31 kf the security fixes?
13:30 oleonard What an exciting holiday weekend in #koha.
13:09 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7270] Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7270>
12:59 fabio_t away for lunch, bye!
12:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7268 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Templates failing translation tests
12:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6894 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Default currency on Acquisitions suggestion form
12:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: fixing the translatable-template.t to handle localized setups
12:17 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7268: Fixing failing tests for translatable templates
12:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6894: Order from suggestion defaulting to wrong currency
12:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #542: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/542/
11:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6894' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0489763d66dde3309396755f7c1d0c6359be31b> / Bug 6894: Order from suggestion defaulting to wrong currency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=624b1562d8567dabd23cb4e1ac7e34615e604edc>
11:28 jenkins_koha Starting build 542 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
11:27 kf lunch time
11:24 marcelr hi fabio_t
11:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: fixing the translatable-template.t to handle localized setups <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c95cbce4ce8df9d9d8f664b84a3d15a6e8e8cc57> / Bug 7268: Fixing failing tests for translatable templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=66fa8288461c8f14108a507de91977b3394d1c0c>
11:19 fabio_t good morning #koha
10:58 paul_p (and of course, there are diacritics, so it's not so easy to handle...)
10:58 paul_p good night rangi
10:56 kf good night rangi
10:55 rangi right time for sleep i think
10:51 rangi yeah that might work
10:50 rangi hmmm
10:50 paul_p ( \A not sure )
10:50 paul_p maybe test \.*\A* (ie: any number of points followed by any number of alphabetical letters) ?
10:50 rangi it should be matching that
10:49 * kf has the same problem
10:49 kf I think easy for jenkins, but the tests will fail when run locally?
10:49 rangi next if /^\.* terminé\.$/;
10:49 kf how do we fix it?
10:49 rangi that explains it then :)
10:49 rangi thats def french
10:48 rangi 10 j :)
10:48 rangi #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
10:48 rangi jenkins_koha> Starting build 541 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS
10:48 kf ah
10:48 rangi yup
10:48 rangi the server its on is
10:48 paul_p (because we're managing it ?)
10:48 rangi yup
10:48 paul_p jenkins is french locale ?
10:47 rangi :)
10:47 rangi and because jenkins is too
10:47 rangi thats probably it :)
10:47 paul_p it's because i'm french
10:47 rangi yeah
10:47 paul_p not "done" !
10:47 paul_p "terminé" !
10:47 paul_p yikes !
10:46 paul_p (isn't this the origin of the problem ? the script think something went wrong because of the output ?
10:46 paul_p rangi, nope, just getting the # .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. terminé.
10:45 rangi see if you get more info
10:45 rangi diag join("\n", @warnings, '');
10:45 rangi put
10:45 rangi on line 50
10:45 rangi hmm try this
10:44 rangi it should make a opac.po and a intranet.po
10:44 rangi its testing creating the .po file
10:44 rangi its creating it
10:43 paul_p my $command = "./tmpl_process3.pl create -i $template_dir -s $po_dir/$module.po -r --pedantic-warnings"; => module.po contains 'opac' I think
10:43 paul_p I don't have any opac.po file
10:43 paul_p opac.po ?
10:42 rangi ok 1 - opac templates are translatable
10:42 rangi 1..2
10:42 rangi orohiko:[git/7268-]:~/git/catalyst-koha% perl xt/author/translatable-templates.t
10:42 paul_p I don't understand how this script is supposed to work.where does the podir come from ? which translation is it choosing to do the test ?
10:42 paul_p agreed ;-)
10:41 rangi hmm they pass here, im not sure why there is an error, the no error message doesnt help
10:40 paul_p (without the patch, I had a # Wide character in print at ./xgettext.pl line 226., so there's a difference)
10:40 paul_p but no error reported. Anything I'm missing?
10:40 paul_p # ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... terminé.
10:40 paul_p # at xt/author/translatable-templates.t line 51.
10:40 paul_p # Failed test 'opac templates are translatable'
10:40 paul_p not ok 1 - opac templates are translatable
10:40 paul_p 1..2
10:40 paul_p perl xt/author/translatable-templates.t
10:40 paul_p rangi, ? about 7268 (templates), I still get a "not OK":
10:39 kf I tried the perlcritic... but that needs someone a lot wiser than me
10:39 rangi 2 tests passing, 11 to go :)
10:38 rangi yay http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
10:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work
10:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion
10:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6328 : Previous patches broke templates, this is fixing them
10:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability
10:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #541: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/541/
10:10 kf paul_p: very happy we found it :)
09:58 Oak kf++
09:54 rangi cool
09:54 syed rangi: thanks... successfully done!
09:51 paul_p (it was a new one, so suggestionid=3)
09:50 paul_p kf++
09:50 paul_p kf++
09:50 paul_p kf++
09:50 * paul_p apologize !!!
09:50 paul_p yikes !!!!
09:50 kf in your bug comment you have suggestionid: 2, but your url shows 1
09:49 kf paul_p: are you looking at the right suggestion?
09:48 jenkins_koha Starting build 541 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
09:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection
09:48 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places
09:48 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error
09:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #540: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/540/
09:43 rangi theres one there for deleted records still showing
09:43 syed rangi: ok
09:43 rangi syed take a look at that
09:42 wahanui i think searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
09:42 rangi searching faq?
09:42 slef kmkale: jcamins_away: all co-ops are a bit like each other :)
09:42 syed I have cleaned my db using "batch delete" and ran rebuild zebra.... but Client/OPAC search still showing the same recodes.
09:39 paul_p to me too, your code looks logical. what about asking on koha-devel for other tester/ideas ?
09:35 kf the code looks logical to me too
09:35 kf hm
09:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6894 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Default currency on Acquisitions suggestion form
09:31 kf bug 6894
09:31 kf and don't believe it's related to unimarc
09:29 kf only difference is, I have CAD as first currency, not AA
09:29 kf I have restested it too - works for me
09:29 kf I have no idea what's going wrong for you
09:28 kf ok
09:28 kf has been working for a lot of people
09:28 kf that's so weird
09:27 paul_p - opened the suggestion on staff (http://koha-community:8080/cgi-bin/koha/suggestion/suggestion.pl?suggestionid=1&op=edit) and still get AA as currency, where I should have EUR
09:26 paul_p - created a suggestion on the OPAC
09:26 paul_p nope, still not working. I :
09:25 paul_p (being testing ;-) )
09:24 kf so 2) is working for you now?
09:24 paul_p seems fair to me. Will push
09:23 kf trying to make the test plan a bit clearer though
09:23 kf no changes to the patch
09:23 paul_p (description & test case)
09:23 paul_p kf, if I understand correctly, the patch has not changed, it's only the description, right ?
09:20 kf ok
09:19 paul_p kf, working on 6894 now !
09:18 kf paul_p: I knew it wouldn't work - only being thorough in testing ;)
09:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug_6328' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=339e9edd146073a6957473cb4b10c582454ab8c4> / Bug 6328 : Previous patches broke templates, this is fixing them <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e05393dd8160c754c2ef027315038c6dc8b6b9b> / Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8664d
09:18 marcelr hi francharb
09:17 francharb morning #koha
08:58 jenkins_koha Starting build 540 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
08:58 kf monday starting good :)
08:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug_6629' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2989e12288b09745863376d10d830af5687e7e5e> / Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af205cb50af430b743fccd84475be15ce14fc84e> / Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c
08:51 magnuse paul_p++
08:50 rangi thanks paul_p
08:49 paul_p looking at 6628 now
08:49 paul_p OK, patch pushed
08:44 marcelr paul_p: just push them; they work for me too now
08:44 paul_p I have a few others to check/push though
08:43 paul_p marcelr, it's up to you: either I push both patches, or I wait for your squashed one
08:39 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
08:39 rangi @later tell chris_n the patch for 6629 [3.4.x] needs to be applied asap
08:39 marcelr well, paul probably pushes them now already..
08:39 rangi make it easier for paul_p :)
08:39 rangi if you pass qa, you might like to squash them
08:38 marcelr ok
08:38 rangi yeah, you need both of them
08:38 rangi ahh right
08:38 rangi Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places
08:38 marcelr ok that should be it; i saw only one
08:38 rangi and then
08:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection
08:38 rangi [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error (
08:38 rangi there are 2 follow ups
08:38 rangi this patch http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6424
08:37 marcelr 10 mins ago\
08:37 rangi just now?
08:37 marcelr yes i thought so
08:36 rangi so you applied it, and still got an error running the webinstaller?
08:36 marcelr ok, i wait and see
08:36 kf I applied the patch, hit f5 and webinstaller was happy
08:36 kf it worked fine for me, jared first thought it didn't but then it worked
08:35 rangi and jared confirms it does too
08:35 marcelr a quick test
08:35 rangi the follow up hasnt been pushed yet
08:35 rangi who gave you that impression
08:35 rangi and kf
08:35 rangi did for me
08:34 marcelr rangi: i got the impression that the follow up did not fix the error on webinstaller
08:34 rangi so the follow up patch fixes the error, and does input sanitisation on the webinstaller too
08:34 marcelr hi kf
08:34 kf and hi marcelr :)
08:34 kf marcelr: webinstaller
08:34 rangi only the webinstaller, which lead me to discover that under certain circumstances it was vulnerable
08:33 kf hi paul_p :)
08:33 marcelr rangi: but the commit breaks master now?
08:33 rangi marcelr: master and 3.6.x arent vulnerable
08:32 paul_p marcelr, yep. By rangi (reading it now)
08:32 marcelr paul_p: is there already a fix for 6629 on the cookie error?
08:31 rangi nowhere as bad as 6629, but does let you read .tt files that your shouldnt be able to
08:31 paul_p rangi, ok, will do
08:31 rangi 6628 is worth looking at too paul_p
08:24 paul_p on friday, sophie has fixed the security issue on all of our customers setups. Then sent a mail. Funny to see some of them understanding strictly nothing about the problem...
08:23 indradg hi paul_p
08:23 marcelr hi paul_p
08:23 rangi hiya paul_p
08:23 * paul_p heading to push patches now
08:23 paul_p hello world
08:17 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (9:00 AM CET on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
08:17 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:17 kf thx :)
08:16 Oak welcome back
08:15 kf back :)
08:03 marcelr hi sophie_m
08:03 rangi hi sophie_m
08:03 sophie_m hi #koha
08:03 marcelr hi rangi
08:02 wahanui Good luck getting ten words out of this one...
08:02 rangi and julian_m
08:02 rangi hi marcelr
08:00 marcelr morning koha
07:59 julian_m hi #koha
07:58 Oak :)
07:58 indradg lol
07:58 Oak i'd rather clean my room
07:57 magnuse i'm not volunteering ;-)
07:56 rangi ahh yeah, not gonna happen
07:56 indradg rangi, i know....but the demand is for complete steps with screenshots :P
07:55 rangi not easy, but possible
07:55 rangi if they really want to try, its possible
07:55 rangi indradg: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4
07:55 * indradg is not going to help on koha-users for folks who request doze versions
07:54 indradg rangi, magnuse and all you bad bad people of #koha - see this "but where to download koha v3.6.x for windows" :P
07:50 cait ok, bbiab
07:50 cait you can add more with is also :)
07:50 wahanui hmmm... reiveune is working for biblibre
07:50 cait reiveune?
07:49 reiveune yes
07:49 cait that's right?
07:49 cait reiveune is working for biblibre
07:49 reiveune lol
07:49 wahanui cait: I forgot reiveune
07:49 cait forget reiveune
07:49 cait you can give him memory loss
07:49 cait hehe
07:48 reiveune it is not very nice this bot
07:47 wahanui reiveune: i'm not following you...
07:47 reiveune wahanui: wrong
07:47 cait heh
07:47 wahanui reiveune is connected through the VPN
07:47 rangi heya reiveune
07:44 reiveune :)
07:44 reiveune hi cait, and everybody
07:44 cait hi reiveune :)
07:44 wahanui cait: I forgot signed off
07:44 cait forget signed off
07:44 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:44 reiveune hello
07:44 wahanui OK, cait.
07:44 cait wahanui this is <reply>
07:44 wahanui cait: I forgot this
07:44 cait wahanui: forget this
07:43 rangi cool
07:42 wahanui i think signed off is approval
07:42 cait signed off
07:42 magnuse sounds like a good idea ;-)
07:42 rangi to find files they shouldnt be able to find
07:42 rangi basically the patch will stop people being able to do directory traversal
07:40 rangi now try with the patch
07:40 rangi yup
07:40 cait even if I don't have the permissions?
07:39 cait ah
07:39 rangi you can make it show any .tt page
07:39 rangi yeah like i say
07:39 cait advsearch without css?
07:39 cait hm
07:38 rangi /cgi-bin/koha/help.pl?url=koha/../catalogue/advsearch.pl
07:38 wahanui it has been said that this is an important potin to make too
07:38 cait rangi: this?
07:38 cait hi magnuse
07:37 Oak magnuse
07:35 rangi in master try this
07:35 cait ok?
07:35 rangi its not like the cookie one
07:35 rangi thats it
07:35 cait what's the next step after trying the url?
07:35 cait going back to localhost:8080 shows me nothing
07:34 rangi excellent, so you should
07:34 cait hm
07:34 rangi and really we should be sanitising user input
07:34 cait rangi: I get the template error when trying
07:34 rangi but potentially you could find some .tt file with stuff in it you shouldnt read
07:34 rangi because even without the patch it can only open files that end with .tt
07:34 Oak :)
07:34 cait yay Oak :)
07:33 rangi as the cookie one
07:33 rangi its not anywhere as bad
07:33 * Oak is also going to try this patch
07:33 rangi or something similair
07:33 rangi cgi-bin/koha/help.pl?url=koha/../../../../../../etc/passwd%00.pl
07:33 rangi so the thing to test is
07:33 rangi cool
07:33 cait same error :)
07:32 cait on it
07:32 cait yep
07:32 cait help file opens
07:32 rangi try that with master
07:32 cait back to start page
07:32 cait I go into catlaoging - help file opens
07:32 cait error again
07:32 cait clicked on the help
07:31 cait logged back into koha
07:31 cait I closed the browser
07:31 cait ok
07:31 cait ah
07:31 rangi next thing to test is can you do something like
07:31 cait checking again..
07:31 rangi no idea :)
07:31 cait so what happened?
07:30 cait grr
07:30 cait now it works
07:30 cait rechecking
07:30 rangi but it doenst work on the start page with the patch on?
07:29 cait language is set to en
07:29 cait there is a help file for the start page - I can log in, what's next?
07:28 cait and it works on maser for the start page
07:28 cait it works with patch for cataloging
07:28 rangi what works
07:28 cait hm no it works
07:28 rangi can you try under the catalogue or something?
07:28 rangi hi alex_a
07:28 alex_a bonjour :)
07:28 rangi yeah
07:28 rangi i bet it doesnt work either
07:28 cait might be because there is no help for the start page
07:28 rangi try that page without it
07:28 cait ah
07:27 cait Template process failed: file error - /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/.tt: not found at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 125.
07:27 cait got
07:27 rangi what is the error you get?
07:27 cait tried opening the help on the start page
07:27 cait sorry
07:27 cait it doesn't
07:27 rangi try something like
07:27 rangi cait: after you confirm help still works
07:27 rangi heh, yeah, thats not gonna happen :0
07:26 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 28.0�C (12:50 PM IST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
07:26 indradg @wunder kolkata
07:26 indradg egads! someone is using v2.9.9 and wants support with complete docs
07:26 cait oh, huginn is back!
07:26 rangi and check you can still see help
07:26 cait done
07:26 rangi is apply it
07:26 rangi first thing to do
07:25 cait if you help me test?
07:25 rangi yeah i dont feel i should sign off, because its close to my original, probably better if someone else tests
07:24 cait only saw his comment
07:24 cait had not seen the semarie did another patch
07:24 cait ah
07:24 rangi can i get a sign off on that from someone today I wonder
07:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion
07:23 rangi bug 6628
07:22 cait hm or evening
07:22 cait morning rangi
07:22 rangi hmm
06:36 indradg AmitG, hey
06:36 indradg kmkale, :)
06:30 kmkale sorry to wake you up indradg ;)
06:29 AmitG heya indradg
06:21 indradg :)
06:21 indradg hi kmkale finally /me woke up
06:19 kmkale hi indradg|Zzzzz
06:19 kmkale hi AmitG
06:12 cait hi AmitG :)
06:03 wahanui niihau, eythian
06:03 eythian howdy
06:03 AmitG heya Robin
06:03 AmitG heya kmkale :D
06:03 AmitG heya cait
05:28 cait for me too
05:26 eythian yep, but it's still early for me
05:26 cait hi eythian - still at work?
05:26 Oak ah danke
05:26 Oak oh certainly, no problem :)
05:26 eythian hi cait
05:26 huginn cait: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 15.0�C (10:00 AM PKT on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
05:26 cait @wunder Islamabad
05:26 cait and thx for the weather report Oak :)
05:26 cait hi kmkale :)
05:26 kmkale hi cait :)
05:23 Oak hmm
05:23 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 5.0�C (6:00 AM CET on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
05:23 Oak @wunder KOnstanz
05:23 cait hi Oak :)
05:23 Oak Guten Morgen cait
05:22 cait morning #koha
05:14 Oak heh
05:14 eythian I'm not fussy :)
05:14 Oak is this fine, or was Mr. Robin better?
05:13 eythian hello
05:13 kmkale hi rangi eythian & Oak :)
04:44 Oak :)
04:44 Oak hello Brave Sir Robin
04:43 eythian hi Oak
04:43 eythian yeah, that's what I though
04:43 Oak hello rangi :)
04:42 rangi hi oak
04:42 Oak kia ora #koha
04:41 rangi they all have to do them so there must be a way
04:41 rangi probaby just a report
04:41 rangi hmm nope would have to ask paul or jo or something
04:40 eythian how do people do that?
04:40 eythian do you happen to know about the "monthly Te Puna reports" thing?
04:39 rangi I think treasury were keen on that originally, but just barcoded things instead
04:37 eythian yeah
04:36 rangi that'd be quite cool, as long as controlled by a syspref
04:30 chrisdothall should there be a link on the items page like 'checkout this item'? or is such thing not desirable?
04:29 rangi naw no way to do that
04:21 eythian I can't find a way to do that at all, even a kind of painful, awkward way.
04:20 eythian Is there any way to check out an item that has no barcode?
03:48 kmkale Namaskaar #koha
03:29 AmitG heya rangi
03:06 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 08:23 PM, June 19, 2009)
03:06 jcamins_away @quote random
03:06 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
03:06 jcamins_away @quote random
02:50 jcamins_away :)
02:50 jcamins_away Three.
02:50 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #129: "jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git." (added by wizzyrea at 07:01 PM, April 27, 2011)
02:50 jcamins_away @quote random
02:50 jcamins_away Two quotes from wizzyrea.
02:49 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
02:49 jcamins_away @quote random
02:42 rangi heh
02:29 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #139: "library_systems_guy: I guess I could put (git-bz) in /usr/games because Koha + git = fun times" (added by wizzyrea at 05:55 PM, May 31, 2011)
02:29 jcamins_away @quote random
02:29 jcamins_away gmcharlt++
01:40 rangi heh no worries
01:35 druthb :)
01:35 gmcharlt sorry about that, I did an OS upgrade to that VM, then promptly ran away for Thanksgiving
01:34 druthb we missed huginn!
01:34 huginn druthb: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
01:34 druthb @quote random
01:30 rangi gmcharlt++
01:29 rangi thanks gmcharlt
01:28 rangi yay!!!
01:28 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #137: "sekjal: the data's in there... it's just MARC" (added by cait at 06:40 PM, May 26, 2011)
01:28 gmcharlt @quote random