Time  Nick         Message
23:43 rhcl_away    u 2 are funny
23:37 Judit        :D
23:37 Brooke       Tell me about your mother?
23:37 Judit        what if i want to stalk myself<
23:37 * Brooke     shakes the magic 8 ball.
23:37 Judit        what is wrong with me?:)
23:36 Brooke       and stalk the folks that aren't you.
23:36 Brooke       would be to visit http://translate.koha-community.org/hu/
23:36 Brooke       another thing to do
23:33 Brooke       that too
23:33 Brooke       in theory, someone that did a bit of Hu translate work back before the swap of the decade ;)
23:33 Judit        yeah, i know, google is my friend:)
23:33 Judit        hm who is AGnes Imecs
23:30 Brooke       also, the interwebs is whispering that there's a cage match between ISO Latin 2 and UTF 8 for proper display
23:29 Judit        just a sec
23:29 Judit        okay
23:29 Brooke       so in theory someone knows how to fiddle with this a lot better than me.
23:29 Brooke       and unless your friend is Agnes Imecs, might not be the first Library in Hungary.
23:28 Judit        i found it
23:28 Judit        oh
23:28 Judit        :)
23:28 Judit        which tab is that on....
23:26 Brooke       Home > Administration > System Prefs
23:26 Brooke       check the tabby thing labeled i18nl10n
23:26 Brooke       okay
23:25 Judit        even though i select utf 8
23:25 Judit        that is in the search, but also after the import into koha
23:24 Judit        and they all com up like#$%$^
23:24 Brooke       Encoding is a bitch.
23:24 Judit        we have many special charaters like üóéáúű
23:24 * Brooke     shakes the ball again
23:24 Judit        so the charaters are all gone weird
23:23 Judit        hang on:)
23:23 Brooke       you have to reset the daemon?
23:23 Judit        and after a search
23:23 * Brooke     shakes the magic 8 ball
23:23 Judit        and all looks ok, but i added a hungarian z39.50 server
23:22 Judit        i am trying to help a friend to set up the first koha on hungary
23:22 Judit        yes
23:22 Judit        what was it
23:22 Judit        i wanted to ask something
23:22 Judit        uh
23:06 huginn       Brooke: The operation succeeded.
23:06 Brooke       @later tell oak I will totally help you with your project. Send it to me via email.
23:03 Brooke       speak proper english!
23:03 Brooke       hehehehh
23:03 wizzyrea     with my fush and chups.
23:03 wizzyrea     smecking
23:03 wizzyrea     right
23:03 Brooke       you mean smeking, yes?
23:03 wizzyrea     gotta go
23:03 wizzyrea     hometime
23:03 wizzyrea     ok
23:03 wizzyrea     but I do like slapping wahanui about
23:03 Brooke       once a ratbag, always a ratbag.
23:03 wizzyrea     oh I wasn't going to change it
23:02 wizzyrea     see, still a ratbag.
23:02 wahanui      I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag.
23:02 wizzyrea     brooke?
23:02 rangi        wizzyrea: yep seems ok to me
23:02 Brooke       heh it's funny as, keep it!
23:02 wizzyrea     brooke is not a ratbag.
23:02 Brooke       wahanhui eythian is also brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin
23:02 * wizzyrea   slaps wahanui
23:02 wahanui      I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag.
23:02 eythian      Brooke?
23:02 wahanui      eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence
23:02 Brooke       eythian?
23:01 wizzyrea     there betterer?
23:01 Brooke       Mebbe get a little place in Strongbadia?
23:01 wizzyrea     lol ok
23:00 wizzyrea     the way in which it's done is ok?
23:00 rangi        id have put that as the bug name too, cos it soounds more betterer hehe
23:00 rangi        reverting to previous sort order seems ok to me
23:00 wizzyrea     no, I mean haha
23:00 Brooke       rangi++
23:00 wizzyrea     crazy hat and all
23:00 wizzyrea     gaga
23:00 rangi        but if im gonna say that, i should step up and do it
22:59 rangi        :)
22:59 wizzyrea     :)
22:59 wizzyrea     it probably should be
22:59 rangi        im gonna be annoying and say, maybe the sort should be sysprefable
22:58 rangi        right
22:58 wizzyrea     I believe I preserved the thing that 6600 was trying to fix
22:58 wizzyrea     the way it used to work anyway
22:58 wizzyrea     well not exactly
22:58 rangi        its putting it back the way it used to be eh?
22:57 huginn       04Bug 7271: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Change sort on detail.pl to be by home library instead of holding branch
22:57 wizzyrea     any opinions about this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7271 (and the patch that's there)
22:53 rangi        yup, sounds like he has a strong case
22:53 eythian      I see mtj gets a passing shout out in that first one
22:52 Brooke       :D
22:52 rangi        hi Brooke
22:52 wizzyrea     whaddup :)
22:52 Brooke       o/
22:51 rangi        those came through in my feed reader today
22:51 rangi        http://www.librarian.net/stax/3744/trademark-battles-koha-liblime-us-new-zealand/
22:50 rangi        http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/51409-koha-trademark-top-lawyer-says-trust-has-stronger-case
22:49 wizzyrea     he arises!
22:49 rangi        we have one of those?
22:47 wizzyrea     but I'm not really in the sekkrit club that knows stuff. ;)
22:47 wizzyrea     but to answer your question, I have not heard anything new
22:46 ibeardslee   oh yeah that's right
22:46 wizzyrea     or at least he was.
22:46 wizzyrea     rangi is away with a sick kiddo today.
22:46 ibeardslee   rangi: or anyone else .. any further updates on the trademark 'process'?
22:42 Judit        bike time too
22:42 Judit        :)
22:41 wizzyrea     woohoo!
22:41 Judit        so i am happy
22:41 Judit        the rain is gone, sunshine is here
22:41 wizzyrea     how about you?
22:41 wizzyrea     i am well :)
22:41 Judit        how are you
22:41 Judit        hi rea
22:40 wizzyrea     hi judit
22:40 wahanui      what's up, Judit
22:40 Judit        hi
21:56 rhcl         ah
21:50 wizzyrea     so many people left all at once
21:48 rhcl         subject - verb - direct object format?
21:48 rhcl         ?
21:44 wizzyrea     :P
21:44 wizzyrea     gracious, like rats on the titanic
20:50 cait         now he was faster - g'night #koha
20:49 magnuse      g'night #koha
20:48 cait         :)
20:48 rangi        ok spotyas later
20:48 wizzyrea     i'm so glad he likes it ^.^
20:48 magnuse      hehe
20:48 wizzyrea     lol :D
20:48 rangi        after he tried to feed it cheerios
20:48 magnuse      here's hoping he gets well real soon!
20:48 rangi        wizzyrea: we already had to wash the bear
20:48 wizzyrea     :(
20:48 cait         :(
20:48 wizzyrea     poor little thing!
20:48 wizzyrea     oh my gracious!
20:48 rangi        yeah if the operation wasnt enough, atarau now has chicken pox
20:47 magnuse      ouch?
20:47 rangi        chicken pox in the hizzouse
20:47 rangi        right im off home
20:30 oleonard     See you later #koha
19:40 jcamins      And then set up a filter doing that.
19:39 jcamins      indradg: I considered that, and decided it's easy enough to say "please respond to the mailing list, I will delete all private communication going forward."
19:38 indradg      jcamins, good luck! now the queries will hit you directly instead of the m/l
19:37 jcamins      oleonard: I'm betting they're not.
19:35 indradg      just saw a post on koha-user asking for barcodes on 2.2.9
19:35 oleonard     It may be, as long as they're providing support and patches
19:35 jcamins      Well, I'm glad they decided to go open source, anyway.
19:34 jcamins      Oh dear.
19:34 wizzyrea     oh my.
19:34 indradg      and unfortunately folks at DelNet think that 2.2.9 on windows is their way to library nirvana in india :P
19:34 jcamins      Right?
19:34 jcamins      Yet.
19:33 jcamins      And it's not quite old enough to drink.
19:33 jcamins      2.2.9 was a good vintage.
19:32 indradg      jcamins, we seem to be being hit by the "2.2.9 bug" from India :P
19:32 * cait       goes back to her bug
19:32 jcamins      If the browbeating involved a check for *a lot*, I could be pursuaded.
19:32 cait         sorry, imagining it makes me laugh
19:31 cait         lol
19:31 oleonard     You'd have to browbeat me pretty severely for me to throw together a video in lecture form
19:31 jcamins      This Russian journal from the twenties has a humor page. I don't get it.
19:30 jcamins      We tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, and convince ourselves it was a language issue, but indradg said that it wasn't so much a language issue as a belief that open source developers can be browbeaten into providing unlimited free support. It was a valiant effort on our parts, though. :)
19:29 cait         lol
19:28 jcamins      oleonard: he signed onto IRC for five minutes to request that we provide him the step-by-step screenshots too.
19:28 chris_n      lol
19:27 oleonard     :D
19:27 rangi        but im refilming in 3D
19:27 rangi        i did
19:27 oleonard     I'm surprised no one has whipped that up
19:27 cait         lol
19:27 rangi        heh
19:27 oleonard     Personally I'm fond of the request for step by step screenshots or video in lecture form on how to integrate EBSCO, open access databases through pazpar2
19:26 jcamins      :)
19:26 cait         got it
19:26 cait         oh
19:25 cait         SOL?
19:25 jcamins      "Sorry, you're basically SOL."
19:25 cait         jcamins++
19:25 * jcamins    responded.
19:23 rangi        yup
19:22 chris_n      that's a real antique
19:22 chris_n      2.2.9 windoz version... wow...
19:20 jcamins      :P
19:20 jcamins      No, but it takes up a lot more space than "LC" and "BL."
19:20 * cait       thinks that is not a long name for a German library
19:19 jcamins      And is much easier to type. ;)
19:19 jcamins      That takes up much less space than "Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin."
19:19 jcamins      Thanks.
19:19 cait         yeah, that looks right
19:18 cait         http://stabikat.de/CHARSET=ISO-8859-1/DB=1/LNG=DU/CMD?ACT=SRCHA&IKT=1016&SRT=YOP&TRM=sbb
19:18 cait         jcamins: looks like SBB
19:18 jcamins      Ah! Thanks.
19:17 cait         SBB
19:17 jcamins      Hm. So Stabi probably is the official. Thanks. :)
19:16 cait         apparently they call their opac stabikat :)
19:16 cait         I can look for one
19:16 jcamins      If there's an official one, that's even better.
19:15 jcamins      Thanks.
19:15 cait         or the official? :)
19:15 cait         stabi I think
19:15 jcamins      cait: what's the abbreviation for the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin?
19:01 maximep      *for first time in forever
19:01 huginn       jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 18.7�C (1:56 PM EST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady).
19:01 jcamins      @wunder 11375
19:01 maximep      not raining here for what seems like forever =)
19:01 huginn       maximep: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 7.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
19:00 maximep      @wunder yul
18:57 * slef       goes to dry out
18:57 slef         Light??? Rain
18:57 huginn       slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 12.2�C (6:55 PM GMT on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
18:57 slef         @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
18:54 chris_n      its actually full-blown rain here
18:54 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
18:54 rangi        @wunder wellington nz
18:54 cait         that's a lot nicr
18:54 huginn       chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 18.0�C (1:35 PM EST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
18:54 chris_n      @wunder 28334
18:53 huginn       cait: Quote #140: "<oleonard> That's why I'm the only one with a flying car. I just didn't figure anyone else would be interested." (added by gmcharlt at 12:39 PM, June 03, 2011)
18:53 cait         @quote random
18:53 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.9�C (7:49 PM CET on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Steady).
18:53 cait         @wunder Konstanz
18:51 chris_n      hey cait
18:51 cait         hi chris_n :)
18:50 chris_n      hi rangi
18:46 rhcl         rangi
18:44 cait         good morning :)
18:44 rangi        morning
18:38 cait         oleonard++
18:38 cait         yep
18:35 rhcl         )
18:35 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1623 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Retain history of approved comments
18:35 rhcl         oleonard++ (Comments Bug 1623
18:11 jcamins      wizzyrea: but if the sort always used to be home branch with no options, I don't see how you're losing anything.
18:10 wizzyrea     but - the home branch sort does have a certain kind of charm.
18:10 oleonard     More unintended consequences
18:10 wizzyrea     i mean, i'm taking quote 123 into account here - I understand that it might be only my libraries that want this sort
18:09 wizzyrea     a pseudo-regression, but not really
18:09 jcamins      In terms of customizeability, I don't see any reason not to change the default sort back to what it was. This isn't a new feature.
18:09 wizzyrea     the patch for 6600 changed the default sort
18:08 wizzyrea     and
18:08 wizzyrea     yea that's what I was worried about :/
18:08 jcamins      In terms of performance, much better.
18:08 wizzyrea     sql sort > tablesorter?
18:08 wizzyrea     right - I was concerned about performance though
18:07 sekjal       wizzyrea:  better to do the sorting as late in the game as possible, so it's easier to sort differently on different pages (or based on library prefs)
18:04 wizzyrea     any other ideas are welcome as well
18:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7271 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Change sort on detail.pl to be by home library instead of holding branch
18:04 wizzyrea     I need feedback on bug 7271
18:04 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 1623] Retain history of approved comments <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1623>
17:51 rhcl         later Oak
17:51 Oak          night guys
17:50 rhcl         At one point I had completely memorized the "Masque of the Red Death", now only bits and pieces.
17:48 rhcl         One of those things which never made it to the status of a post-nominal
17:48 rhcl         I confess I have a cursory exposure to many different subjects, but find I need to wikipeida frequently to refresh my memory. I can still quote Shakespeare at some length, for example, but sometimes forget the context.
17:46 jcamins      rhcl: you know more than most people!
17:46 rhcl         I'm at the limits of my knowledge of the subject
17:46 jcamins      He felt the new world order required a new, non-fictional form of film.
17:46 rhcl         ic
17:46 jcamins      He was pro-proletarian, anti-"fiction."
17:45 jcamins      Then he got in trouble for Sixth Part of the World
17:45 rhcl         or are you saying he was anti-proletarian?
17:45 jcamins      Vertov? Yeah.
17:45 rhcl         but he did propaganda films, right?
17:45 jcamins      Yup.
17:44 rhcl         think we had same underlying thought
17:44 jcamins      He was rabidly anti-"fiction" for proletarian film.
17:44 jcamins      I was simplifying.
17:44 jcamins      rhcl: no, he was anti-Eisenstein-style film.
17:43 rhcl         Vertov differed from Eisenstein (theatre vs documentary), but was he anti-Eisenstein?
17:43 * oleonard   has never tried it
17:43 sekjal       with monsters
17:43 sekjal       Minecraft is delightfully pointless.  like being immersed in a 3D Lego world
17:42 jcamins      :P
17:42 * jcamins    awards himself a cookie for having killed that conversation.
17:37 jcamins      s/rapidly/rabidly/
17:37 * jcamins    writes about Dziga Vertov's rapidly anti-Eisenstein stance instead.
17:37 wizzyrea     or you mean you put your fist through the computer screen
17:37 wizzyrea     you don't have to play coop :P
17:37 wizzyrea     ...isn't that what games *are*
17:37 libsysguy    nope…my fuse is too short with games…it becomes a competition
17:36 * jcamins    doesn't play videogames.
17:36 wizzyrea     not even angry birds?
17:36 * libsysguy  plays no videogames…he is only allowed to code from the basement
17:35 * sekjal     allows himself a little bit of Minecraft, but that's it for video games
17:35 wizzyrea     !!
17:35 * oleonard   just started it last night!
17:34 * wizzyrea   giggles
17:34 * wizzyrea   has been playing portal 2 all weekend - don't talk to me about science!
17:34 libsysguy    agreed…inconvienent…but agreed
17:34 sekjal       FOR SCIENCE!
17:34 sekjal       reduce one more variable in the process
17:33 sekjal       so we can all test on the same thing
17:33 sekjal       what we really need, as a community as a whole, is a very detailed and robust set of testing data
17:33 libsysguy    np
17:33 sekjal       cool, thanks libsysguy
17:32 libsysguy    we have a pretty strong VM cluster set up here
17:32 libsysguy    well If i can put something up for you guys let me know
17:32 libsysguy    indeed
17:31 sekjal       yeah, it's just a crowded time of year in the US, schedule-wise
17:31 libsysguy    turkey always slows me down too
17:31 libsysguy    is there a snag in that…we might be able to provide something
17:31 sekjal       holiday slowed me up a bit
17:31 libsysguy    oh w00t
17:31 sekjal       goal is to open that up to everyone, so we can get as many testers looking at it as possible
17:30 sekjal       we're working with Catalyst to get a solid test instance set up
17:30 libsysguy    uh oh
17:30 sekjal       there is a bit
17:30 sekjal       well, no
17:30 sekjal       libsysguy:  nothing to report
17:29 libsysguy    sekjal since I have you around…hourly?
17:28 sekjal       jcamins:  right, batch update/delete handle zebra
17:28 libsysguy    ohh well there is a silver lining
17:27 wizzyrea     yes it does update zebraqueue
17:27 wizzyrea     no it won't require a reindex
17:27 wizzyrea     yes, i mean
17:27 wizzyrea     nope
17:27 jcamins      sekjal: does the batch item deletion tool update zebraqueue?
17:27 jcamins      Don't see why.
17:27 jcamins      No.
17:27 jcamins      Extract the list of barcodes, use the batch delete tool.
17:27 libsysguy    yeah but that requires a full index right
17:26 jcamins      libsysguy: delete all items that you want to replace, then add items?
17:26 wizzyrea     ah yea, adding url's = can't batch that
17:25 libsysguy    and that is kind of a one at a time thing
17:25 libsysguy    we needed to add url's to items
17:25 libsysguy    is there any work in getting overlaying for items working?
17:23 wahanui      i guess the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:23 wizzyrea     the first question?
17:22 libsysguy    sorry stepped away
17:22 wizzyrea     the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:21 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot first question
17:21 wizzyrea     forget the first question
17:21 wahanui      the first question is probably why you would pick a strange version like that. 3.4.3 is the current stable release
17:21 wizzyrea     the first question?
17:21 wizzyrea     the first question is what are you trying to do?
17:21 wizzyrea     "what are you trying to do"
17:21 wizzyrea     see we forgot to ask the first question
17:21 wizzyrea     ^^ there you have it
17:21 sekjal       nope, no way to overlay on items yet.  you either add them or not... if you're adding, then if the barcode already exists, it won't update
17:21 jcamins      wizzyrea: that was my understanding, too.
17:20 wizzyrea     why not batch edit them?
17:20 wizzyrea     at least, that was my understanding
17:20 wizzyrea     I don't think you can overlay items
17:19 libsysguy    its set to overlay on the oclc #…and in the import it says it has all the records matched
17:18 jcamins      And you're sure you have the overlay set up correctly?
17:17 libsysguy    in the item record (we are changing the call number) it didn't change
17:17 libsysguy    ok so after rerunning the import i went and looked at the db
17:13 * cait       goes back to making dinner
17:13 jcamins      Try undoing the import, then doing it again?
17:13 cait         ignore me
17:13 cait         ah, overlay
17:13 jcamins      If you view the detail page and don't see the changes, the import wasn't actually done.
17:12 cait         is your record in the bilbio table?
17:12 libsysguy    hmm
17:12 jcamins      That would only affect search results.
17:11 jcamins      Well, definitely not an indexing issue.
17:11 jcamins      Hm.
17:10 libsysguy    and it said it completed the import of records
17:10 libsysguy    no we did that
17:09 libsysguy    its not correct
17:09 jcamins      libsysguy: in that case it has nothing to do with the index, and -- I suspect -- everything to do with the fact that you didn't go to Manage Batches and click "Import this batch." :P
17:09 libsysguy    but after processing and looking up the record in the staff client
17:09 libsysguy    and it says it matched
17:09 libsysguy    when we view the marc record in the stage its correct
17:08 libsysguy    no its not showing up period
17:08 jcamins      libsysguy: are the changes showing up when you view the records, and just not affecting search results?
17:07 libsysguy    is it possible to run rebuild with -b -x -z
17:06 cait         hi libsysguy :)
17:06 libsysguy    hi cait :)
17:06 libsysguy    should we rebuild from the xml?
17:06 cait         hi #koha
17:05 libsysguy    and the changes didn't show up after a partial index
17:05 libsysguy    we were doing an overlay
17:05 libsysguy    that worked kind of
16:55 libsysguy    ok ill give it a shot
16:55 jcamins      libsysguy: I think you specify the name.
16:55 wahanui      jcamins is, like, supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
16:55 libsysguy    do you know jcamins
16:55 libsysguy    if I need to use a matching rule….i see the flag but it doesn't really say how to specify it
16:55 huginn       jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 113 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 112.
16:55 jcamins      @karma jcamins
16:54 huginn       jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8.
16:54 jcamins      @karma jcamins_away
16:54 libsysguy    haha
16:54 jcamins      Whew! I can begin to recover from my huginn withdrawal. ;)
16:54 huginn       libsysguy: Highest karma: "rangi" (444), "oleonard" (370), and "gmcharlt" (270).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-106), "failed" (-68), and "-" (-37).  You (libsysguy) are ranked 48 out of 1803.
16:54 libsysguy    @karma
16:53 huginn       jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (444), "oleonard" (370), and "gmcharlt" (270).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-106), "failed" (-68), and "-" (-37).  You (jcamins) are ranked 12 out of 1803.
16:53 jcamins      @karma
16:53 libsysguy    jcamins++
16:53 jcamins      You're welcome.
16:53 libsysguy    thanks jcamins
16:53 jcamins      misc/stage_biblios_file.pl
16:53 libsysguy    found it
16:53 jcamins      stage_biblios_file.pl
16:52 jcamins      misc?
16:52 jcamins      Somewhere.
16:52 jcamins      It's there.
16:52 jcamins      find ~/kohaclone -name "stage*.pl" -print
16:52 jcamins      Hmm.
16:52 libsysguy    but i didn't find that file
16:52 libsysguy    they are
16:51 jcamins      Note, however, that if the records are not in UTF-8 you need kf's patch.
16:51 libsysguy    haha thats what i just ran :p
16:51 jcamins      find ~/kohaclone -name "stage_marc*" -print
16:51 jcamins      libsysguy: yeah, use stage_marc_something.pl
16:50 libsysguy    is there anyway to do that via shell without having to do a full index
16:50 libsysguy    and it seems to be hanging
16:50 libsysguy    I am trying to stage a marc file with about 300 records through the web interface
16:50 libsysguy    morning Koha
16:21 reiveune     bye
16:18 kf           time to leave - bye all
16:18 magnuse      tee hee
16:17 * jcamins    knows lots of mobilephobes. ;)
16:16 magnuse      s/phobes/phones/ ;-)
16:16 magnuse      rumour has is ones that live near people can imitate mobile phobes ;-)
16:16 magnuse      "known for their noisy, unusual call, different for each individual, that combine bellbird-like notes with clicks, cackles, timber-like creaks and groans, and wheezing sounds" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tui_%28bird%29
16:12 jcamins      magnuse: and the iut, best known for his callowness here in New York.
16:06 magnuse      and then there's tui, the nz bird
16:06 chris_n      never can seem to get "tuit," period :-P
16:05 * chris_n    would be glad for any kind of tuit
16:02 magnuse      wow, you learn something new every day on #koha :-)
16:02 wizzyrea     I hear hexagonal tuits have supernatural powers.
16:01 magnuse      "A circular object giving its owner the ability to get done everything that would have otherwise been put off to a later date." http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/round_tuit
16:01 jcamins      Ah.
16:01 gmcharlt     not to be confused with square tuits
16:01 rhcl         and my secretary forgot to make coffee for me this morning, so now I have to go do it. Just as well, she doesn't have the artisan skill of making coffee
16:01 wizzyrea     or "when I get around to it"
16:01 wizzyrea     or "round to it's"
16:01 wizzyrea     as in "round tuits"
16:00 magnuse      tuits?
15:59 rhcl         and I'm trying to work with two different groups coding a new public access control application at the local university
15:59 jcamins      tuits?
15:58 wizzyrea     that's what I suspected you were asking for :)
15:58 rhcl         someday I might get the time to actually sit down and start looking at Koha code and figure it out on my own, but if I got out of my environment for a day and just had some tutoring without distractions....
15:58 wizzyrea     tuits!
15:58 wizzyrea     not tutus.
15:58 wizzyrea     wait.
15:58 * wizzyrea   gives gmcharlt more tuitus
15:57 gmcharlt     jcamins: not enough tuits
15:57 rhcl         I am more of a sys admin (for all things tech), and have to fix hardware, manage a dozen "systems", including telephones, public access system, wireless controllers, file servers, virtual machines
15:57 jcamins      grs1--
15:57 kf           I think something like: test you can add new stuff, it displays right, you can change it, you can delete it
15:57 kf           hm
15:57 wizzyrea     :P
15:56 wizzyrea     and "when to feel like a failure of a tester" too.
15:56 wizzyrea     well a "best practices for testing" would probably be nice
15:56 jcamins      gmcharlt: did you ever have any success in developing your new way to keep the frameworks in line with the MARC standards?
15:55 wahanui      somebody said testing was fun! or easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:55 wizzyrea     testing?
15:55 wahanui      okay, wizzyrea.
15:55 wizzyrea     testing is also easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:55 sekjal       "and somewhere, a miracle occurs"
15:55 jcamins      Did I write that?
15:55 jcamins      ^.^
15:55 wahanui      testing is fun!
15:55 wizzyrea     testing?
15:55 jcamins      >.>
15:55 jcamins      <.<
15:55 wizzyrea     testing is easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:55 rhcl         I would really benefit from having a bit of meat with that tidbit
15:55 wizzyrea     hehe
15:54 rhcl         yes, weell, for example, the instructions for testing: <quote>You test it.</quote>
15:51 wizzyrea     if jcamins comes I'll just let him teach it :P
15:51 * jcamins    books a plane ticket.
15:51 magnuse      yeah, sounds like a lovely excursion - visiting wizzyrea to learn git
15:48 wizzyrea     (in fact that was my first thought - just read the wiki - but I didn't want to seem rude. I know sometimes it's nice to get away from the library to learn stuff)
15:48 wizzyrea     I should say, the wiki pages are wicked helpful
15:47 wahanui      I haven't seen 'this', magnuse
15:47 magnuse      rhcl: seen this? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
15:45 wizzyrea     i have a wicked amount of time off this month though - let me figure out my schedule and we can figure something out
15:45 wizzyrea     nah I'm always down for hosting kohapeeps
15:45 wizzyrea     not a "sage on the stage"
15:45 rhcl         sure? don't let me talk you into this if you don't have the time or otherwise
15:45 wizzyrea     and we can go through it together if you want, but it'd be more of a "guide on the side" kind of thing
15:44 wizzyrea     oh - well, sure you can come down here for a day
15:44 rhcl         of sign-offs we'd be smarter sooner
15:44 wizzyrea     if it was drunken, I missed it - unless I was drunk on puke.
15:43 rhcl         see, we're (my tech and I) are probably smart enough to figure out perl, and someday  we will wade through git, but if we just had somebody to take a 6-hour day and walk us through a series
15:43 oleonard     Drunken post-Thanksgiving class-volunteering?
15:42 wizzyrea     O.O
15:42 jcamins      wizzyrea++ # for teaching a course on Intro to Koha Bug Fixing and Git.
15:42 rhcl         basically, the steps to testing and signing off on bugs
15:42 wizzyrea     O.o well, i'm an amateur at best ;)
15:41 rhcl         "Intro to Koha Bug Fixing and Git"
15:41 * jcamins    sends cookies too.
15:41 * kf         sends wizzyrea cookies
15:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , se queries with paranthesis fail
15:41 kf           bug 5369
15:41 * wizzyrea   has been off for 5 days
15:41 kf           but 5369
15:41 kf           typo...
15:41 wizzyrea     which class?
15:41 rhcl         wizzyrea: are u going to teach that class we were talking about?
15:40 jcamins      kf: did I have anything to do with that?
15:40 Oak          ah
15:40 Oak          wizzyrea, what are those 4 funding schemes ... names?
15:40 wizzyrea     our member libraries are funded by either municipal, district, or county taxes levied by the library board
15:40 rhcl_away    yes, I should have added the tax is based on real property
15:39 Oak          rhcl_away, hmm.
15:39 wizzyrea     NEKLS is funded by state statue, a small mill levy on property taxes in all areas of our region not collecting taxes for a local library
15:39 rhcl_away    so we are our own independent taxing district
15:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5269 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, link to patron edit form when editing turned off
15:38 kf           bug 5269
15:38 rhcl_away    Oak: our library is funded by taxes - our library district is independent of any state, county or municipal boundaries, although in fact it does follow county boundaries mostly.
15:38 wizzyrea     there are at least 4 (that I can think of) funding schemes in my system alone
15:38 kf           huginn++
15:38 kf           let me find the bug number
15:38 kf           jcamins:  :)
15:38 wizzyrea     right
15:38 Oak          i see
15:38 wizzyrea     it belongs to the friends group
15:38 jcamins      But any money that the *library* has must be accounted for. The Friends group will have to do their own accounting.
15:38 Oak          why? who does it belong to?
15:37 Oak          i see. hmm
15:37 wizzyrea     but that money doesn't really belong to the library
15:37 jcamins      True.
15:37 wizzyrea     a lot of libraries have foundations or friends groups that raise money for the library on the side
15:36 jcamins      kf: I do have a few minutes. I was just hiding. ;)
15:35 jcamins      Most likely.
15:35 Oak          uh oh
15:35 jcamins      Oak: they'd have to account for all their income/expenditures.
15:35 magnuse      "Do you have a bug you need identified?" ;-)
15:34 Oak          do* its own fund raising...
15:34 jcamins      kf: sure.
15:34 Oak          question: suppose a government, or some foundation is responsible for providing funds to a public library. then is it allowed for a public library to go its own fund raising and spend that money where they please? or will they have to provide details for how much they collected to the government also?
15:33 oleonard     http://www.whatsthatbug.com/
15:33 kf           ah, I can ask again later ;)
15:33 kf           jcamins: do you have a few minutes? :)
15:33 * jcamins    hides.
15:33 kf           jcamins: I wanted to ask you something about a bug
15:30 slef         jcamins: oic
15:29 jcamins      slef: Gallup organization survey. http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/flash/fl_283_en.pdf
15:28 wizzyrea     if you're gonna have it, one day is the best possible outcome ;)
15:28 magnuse      2_or_more_days_puking--
15:28 magnuse      1_day_puking++
15:27 wizzyrea     but the puking was only one day
15:27 slef         jcamins: what was that entrepreneurship thing from?
15:27 wizzyrea     well, aside from the puking kid, 5 days off in a row was pretty great.
15:27 wahanui      gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
15:27 jcamins      And gmcharlt?
15:27 jcamins      Have a nice Thanksgiving, wizzyrea?
15:26 jcamins      Okay, huginn's not that concerned, I guess.
15:26 huginn       jcamins: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011)
15:26 jcamins      @quote random
15:24 wizzyrea     ;)
15:24 wizzyrea     it's because I'm here, huginn doesn't want me getting a big head.
15:22 magnuse      hehe
15:22 huginn       magnuse: Quote #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better" (added by gmcharlt at 07:49 PM, September 13, 2011)
15:22 magnuse      @quote random
15:20 huginn       jcamins: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
15:20 jcamins      @quote random
15:20 jcamins      wizzyrea: the last four quotes I've seen from huginn were all added by you, I think.
15:19 magnuse      hiya wizzyrea
15:19 wizzyrea     and good morning
15:19 wizzyrea     I swear he's becoming sentient
15:19 jcamins      magnuse: it is, isn't it?
15:19 magnuse      wb gmcharlt - we missed huginn... and you! ;-)
15:18 magnuse      wow, that quote was eerily relevant to what jcamins just said
15:18 jcamins      Checking that huginn is still working? :)
15:17 chris_n      wb gmcharlt
15:14 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #109: "<darling>yep — china kicks ass" (added by wizzyrea at 10:29 PM, December 01, 2010)
15:14 gmcharlt     @quote random
15:14 jcamins      Apparently people in Iceland are the most optimistic about the possibilities of entrepreneurship, followed by the people of Norway, Sweden, and China. Least optimistic about entrepreneurship as a way to make a living are the Japanese, Dutch, and Hungarian.
15:12 chris_n      is it safe for turkeys to come out now?
15:10 magnuse      no court cases here that i know of, but some municipalities with tight budgets spend as little as they can on libraries...
15:09 slef         magnuse: similar here. Recently Somerset County Council lost a court case when it tried to close libraries improperly. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15752432
15:06 jcamins      Libraries aren't particularly mandatory in the States, either.
14:48 magnuse      but it does not say he/she has to work 100%, and lots of municipalities have gotten exemptions, because no one with the education applied for the job
14:48 kf           libraries are not mandatory here and funding varies
14:47 kf           magnuse: that's very cool!
14:47 magnuse      on the other hand it does say that the leader of the library should be educated as a librarian
14:47 magnuse      it does not say anything about the level of service that should be provided, though
14:46 magnuse      in norway, there's a law saying that every municipality myst have and fund a public library
14:45 Oak          i should google that... funding model for public libraries...
14:45 Oak          so may be our govt. will keep giving us money year after year
14:44 Oak          i see. i don't know.
14:44 oleonard     Doesn't your government have a funding model for public libraries?
14:44 oleonard     Oak, why is your fictional government funding one-time?
14:43 Oak          it'll be a perfect combination for review
14:43 Oak          and i've never worked in a library
14:43 kf           I never had courses abut project management
14:43 kf           hmpf
14:42 Oak          you *are*.
14:42 kf           hehe I am not your teacher!
14:42 Oak          should i send it to you for reading when you get home?
14:42 Oak          that's what i was thinking
14:42 kf           not so mini :)
14:42 Oak          we (our group) have written the proposal but our (fictional) funding source is government. so, govt. gave us money now, but who will give us money after one year?
14:41 Oak          :) well, we were given a (mini) project by the Project Management teacher to draw a proposal for a new library.
14:40 kf           what is the question behind your question?
14:40 Oak          hm. i see.
14:40 oleonard     Examples: direct state/local/regional funding; foundation funding; local levies (direct taxpayer funding)
14:39 kf           some are funded by the church I think
14:39 Oak          hmm
14:39 kf           most of the time
14:39 Oak          so what are some of examples of funding sources?
14:39 kf           public library here means theat the town or city is funding it
14:39 Oak          okay
14:38 kf           I think it's different
14:38 Oak          how does a public library make money so it does not have to rely on government's grant?
14:38 oleonard     But funding can be different from place to place.
14:38 oleonard     Generally speaking the definition of a public library could be one that is publicly funded
14:37 Oak          the gumment?
14:37 Oak          who funds public libraries?
13:34 kf           they know about the other too now
13:34 kf           their repo, there was a link on twitter
13:34 jcamins_away Well, the fix for one of the vulnerabilities.
13:33 kf           it's in the repo
13:33 kf           or more my coworker who had to apply them
13:33 oleonard     Has PTFS posted their fix for the vulnerability yet?
13:32 kf           kept us busy
13:32 kf           yep
13:31 oleonard     Yes
13:31 kf           the security fixes?
13:30 oleonard     What an exciting holiday weekend in #koha.
13:09 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7270] Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7270>
12:59 fabio_t      away for lunch, bye!
12:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7268 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Templates failing translation tests
12:17 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6894 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Default currency on Acquisitions suggestion form
12:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: fixing the translatable-template.t to handle localized setups
12:17 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7268: Fixing failing tests for translatable templates
12:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6894: Order from suggestion defaulting to wrong currency
12:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #542: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/542/
11:32 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6894' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0489763d66dde3309396755f7c1d0c6359be31b> / Bug 6894: Order from suggestion defaulting to wrong currency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=624b1562d8567dabd23cb4e1ac7e34615e604edc>
11:28 jenkins_koha Starting build 542 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
11:27 kf           lunch time
11:24 marcelr      hi fabio_t
11:22 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: fixing the translatable-template.t to handle localized setups <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c95cbce4ce8df9d9d8f664b84a3d15a6e8e8cc57> / Bug 7268: Fixing failing tests for translatable templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=66fa8288461c8f14108a507de91977b3394d1c0c>
11:19 fabio_t      good morning #koha
10:58 paul_p       (and of course, there are diacritics, so it's not so easy to handle...)
10:58 paul_p       good night rangi
10:56 kf           good night rangi
10:55 rangi        right time for sleep i think
10:51 rangi        yeah that might work
10:50 rangi        hmmm
10:50 paul_p       ( \A not sure )
10:50 paul_p       maybe test \.*\A* (ie: any number of points followed by any number of alphabetical letters) ?
10:50 rangi        it should be matching that
10:49 * kf         has the same problem
10:49 kf           I think easy for jenkins, but the tests will fail when run locally?
10:49 rangi        next if /^\.* terminé\.$/;
10:49 kf           how do we fix it?
10:49 rangi        that explains it then :)
10:49 rangi        thats def french
10:48 rangi        10 j :)
10:48 rangi        #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
10:48 rangi        jenkins_koha> Starting build 541 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS
10:48 kf           ah
10:48 rangi        yup
10:48 rangi        the server its on is
10:48 paul_p       (because we're managing it ?)
10:48 rangi        yup
10:48 paul_p       jenkins is french locale ?
10:47 rangi        :)
10:47 rangi        and because jenkins is too
10:47 rangi        thats probably it :)
10:47 paul_p       it's because i'm french
10:47 rangi        yeah
10:47 paul_p       not "done" !
10:47 paul_p       "terminé" !
10:47 paul_p       yikes !
10:46 paul_p       (isn't this the origin of the problem ? the script think something went wrong because of the output ?
10:46 paul_p       rangi, nope, just getting the # .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. terminé.
10:45 rangi        see if you get more info
10:45 rangi        diag join("\n", @warnings, '');
10:45 rangi        put
10:45 rangi        on line 50
10:45 rangi        hmm try this
10:44 rangi        it should make a opac.po and a intranet.po
10:44 rangi        its testing creating the .po file
10:44 rangi        its creating it
10:43 paul_p       my $command = "./tmpl_process3.pl create -i $template_dir -s $po_dir/$module.po -r --pedantic-warnings"; => module.po contains 'opac' I think
10:43 paul_p       I don't have any opac.po file
10:43 paul_p       opac.po ?
10:42 rangi        ok 1 - opac templates are translatable
10:42 rangi        1..2
10:42 rangi        orohiko:[git/7268-]:~/git/catalyst-koha% perl xt/author/translatable-templates.t
10:42 paul_p       I don't understand how this script is supposed to work.where does the podir come from ? which translation is it choosing to do the test ?
10:42 paul_p       agreed ;-)
10:41 rangi        hmm they pass here, im not sure why there is an error, the no error message doesnt help
10:40 paul_p       (without the patch, I had a # Wide character in print at ./xgettext.pl line 226., so there's a difference)
10:40 paul_p       but no error reported. Anything I'm missing?
10:40 paul_p       # ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... terminé.
10:40 paul_p       #   at xt/author/translatable-templates.t line 51.
10:40 paul_p       #   Failed test 'opac templates are translatable'
10:40 paul_p       not ok 1 - opac templates are translatable
10:40 paul_p       1..2
10:40 paul_p       perl xt/author/translatable-templates.t
10:40 paul_p       rangi, ? about 7268 (templates), I still get a "not OK":
10:39 kf           I tried the perlcritic... but that needs someone a lot wiser than me
10:39 rangi        2 tests passing, 11 to go :)
10:38 rangi        yay http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
10:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work
10:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion
10:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6328 : Previous patches broke templates, this is fixing them
10:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability
10:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #541: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/541/
10:10 kf           paul_p: very happy we found it :)
09:58 Oak          kf++
09:54 rangi        cool
09:54 syed         rangi: thanks... successfully done!
09:51 paul_p       (it was a new one, so suggestionid=3)
09:50 paul_p       kf++
09:50 paul_p       kf++
09:50 paul_p       kf++
09:50 * paul_p     apologize !!!
09:50 paul_p       yikes !!!!
09:50 kf           in your bug comment you have   suggestionid: 2, but your url shows 1
09:49 kf           paul_p: are you looking at the right suggestion?
09:48 jenkins_koha Starting build 541 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
09:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection
09:48 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places
09:48 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error
09:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #540: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/540/
09:43 rangi        theres one there for deleted records still showing
09:43 syed         rangi: ok
09:43 rangi        syed take a look at that
09:42 wahanui      i think searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
09:42 rangi        searching faq?
09:42 slef         kmkale: jcamins_away: all co-ops are a bit like each other :)
09:42 syed         I have cleaned my db using "batch delete" and ran rebuild zebra.... but Client/OPAC search still showing the same recodes.
09:39 paul_p       to me too, your code looks logical. what about asking on koha-devel for other tester/ideas ?
09:35 kf           the code looks logical to me too
09:35 kf           hm
09:31 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6894 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Default currency on Acquisitions suggestion form
09:31 kf           bug 6894
09:31 kf           and don't believe it's related to unimarc
09:29 kf           only difference is, I have CAD as first currency, not AA
09:29 kf           I have restested it too - works for me
09:29 kf           I have no idea what's going wrong for you
09:28 kf           ok
09:28 kf           has been working for a lot of people
09:28 kf           that's so weird
09:27 paul_p       - opened the suggestion on staff (http://koha-community:8080/cgi-bin/koha/suggestion/suggestion.pl?suggestionid=1&op=edit) and still get AA as currency, where I should have EUR
09:26 paul_p       - created a suggestion on the OPAC
09:26 paul_p       nope, still not working. I :
09:25 paul_p       (being testing ;-) )
09:24 kf           so 2) is working for you now?
09:24 paul_p       seems fair to me. Will push
09:23 kf           trying to make the test plan a bit clearer though
09:23 kf           no changes to the patch
09:23 paul_p       (description & test case)
09:23 paul_p       kf, if I understand correctly, the patch has not changed, it's only the description, right ?
09:20 kf           ok
09:19 paul_p       kf, working on 6894 now !
09:18 kf           paul_p: I knew it wouldn't work - only being thorough in testing ;)
09:18 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug_6328' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=339e9edd146073a6957473cb4b10c582454ab8c4> / Bug 6328 : Previous patches broke templates, this is fixing them <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e05393dd8160c754c2ef027315038c6dc8b6b9b> / Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8664d
09:18 marcelr      hi francharb
09:17 francharb    morning #koha
08:58 jenkins_koha Starting build 540 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
08:58 kf           monday starting good :)
08:58 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug_6629' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2989e12288b09745863376d10d830af5687e7e5e> / Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af205cb50af430b743fccd84475be15ce14fc84e> / Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c
08:51 magnuse      paul_p++
08:50 rangi        thanks paul_p
08:49 paul_p       looking at 6628 now
08:49 paul_p       OK, patch pushed
08:44 marcelr      paul_p: just push them; they work for me too now
08:44 paul_p       I have a few others to check/push though
08:43 paul_p       marcelr, it's up to you: either I push both patches, or I wait for your squashed one
08:39 huginn       rangi: The operation succeeded.
08:39 rangi        @later tell chris_n the patch for 6629 [3.4.x] needs to be applied asap
08:39 marcelr      well, paul probably pushes them now already..
08:39 rangi        make it easier for paul_p :)
08:39 rangi        if you pass qa, you might like to squash them
08:38 marcelr      ok
08:38 rangi        yeah, you need both of them
08:38 rangi        ahh right
08:38 rangi        Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places
08:38 marcelr      ok that should be it; i saw only one
08:38 rangi        and then
08:38 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection
08:38 rangi        [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error (
08:38 rangi        there are 2 follow ups
08:38 rangi        this patch http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6424
08:37 marcelr      10 mins ago\
08:37 rangi        just now?
08:37 marcelr      yes i thought so
08:36 rangi        so you applied it, and still got an error running the webinstaller?
08:36 marcelr      ok, i wait and see
08:36 kf           I applied the patch, hit f5 and webinstaller was happy
08:36 kf           it worked fine for me, jared first thought it didn't but then it worked
08:35 rangi        and jared confirms it does too
08:35 marcelr      a quick test
08:35 rangi        the follow up hasnt been pushed yet
08:35 rangi        who gave you that impression
08:35 rangi        and kf
08:35 rangi        did for me
08:34 marcelr      rangi: i got the impression that the follow up did not fix the error on webinstaller
08:34 rangi        so the follow up patch fixes the error, and does input sanitisation on the webinstaller too
08:34 marcelr      hi kf
08:34 kf           and hi marcelr :)
08:34 kf           marcelr: webinstaller
08:34 rangi        only the webinstaller, which lead me to discover that under certain circumstances it was vulnerable
08:33 kf           hi paul_p :)
08:33 marcelr      rangi: but the commit breaks master now?
08:33 rangi        marcelr: master and 3.6.x arent vulnerable
08:32 paul_p       marcelr, yep. By rangi (reading it now)
08:32 marcelr      paul_p: is there already a fix for 6629 on the cookie error?
08:31 rangi        nowhere as bad as 6629, but does let you read .tt files that your shouldnt be able to
08:31 paul_p       rangi, ok, will do
08:31 rangi        6628 is worth looking at too paul_p
08:24 paul_p       on friday, sophie has fixed the security issue on all of our customers setups. Then sent a mail. Funny to see some of them understanding strictly nothing about the problem...
08:23 indradg      hi paul_p
08:23 marcelr      hi paul_p
08:23 rangi        hiya paul_p
08:23 * paul_p     heading to push patches now
08:23 paul_p       hello world
08:17 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (9:00 AM CET on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
08:17 kf           @wunder Konstanz
08:17 kf           thx :)
08:16 Oak          welcome back
08:15 kf           back :)
08:03 marcelr      hi sophie_m
08:03 rangi        hi sophie_m
08:03 sophie_m     hi #koha
08:03 marcelr      hi rangi
08:02 wahanui      Good luck getting ten words out of this one...
08:02 rangi        and julian_m
08:02 rangi        hi marcelr
08:00 marcelr      morning koha
07:59 julian_m     hi #koha
07:58 Oak          :)
07:58 indradg      lol
07:58 Oak          i'd rather clean my room
07:57 magnuse      i'm not volunteering ;-)
07:56 rangi        ahh yeah, not gonna happen
07:56 indradg      rangi, i know....but the demand is for complete steps with screenshots :P
07:55 rangi        not easy, but possible
07:55 rangi        if they really want to try, its possible
07:55 rangi        indradg: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4
07:55 * indradg    is not going to help on koha-users for folks who request doze versions
07:54 indradg      rangi, magnuse and all you bad bad people of #koha - see this "but where to download koha v3.6.x for windows" :P
07:50 cait         ok, bbiab
07:50 cait         you can add more with is also :)
07:50 wahanui      hmmm... reiveune is working for biblibre
07:50 cait         reiveune?
07:49 reiveune     yes
07:49 cait         that's right?
07:49 cait         reiveune is working for biblibre
07:49 reiveune     lol
07:49 wahanui      cait: I forgot reiveune
07:49 cait         forget reiveune
07:49 cait         you can give him memory loss
07:49 cait         hehe
07:48 reiveune     it is not very nice this bot
07:47 wahanui      reiveune: i'm not following you...
07:47 reiveune     wahanui: wrong
07:47 cait         heh
07:47 wahanui      reiveune is connected through the VPN
07:47 rangi        heya reiveune
07:44 reiveune     :)
07:44 reiveune     hi cait, and everybody
07:44 cait         hi reiveune :)
07:44 wahanui      cait: I forgot signed off
07:44 cait         forget signed off
07:44 wahanui      niihau, reiveune
07:44 reiveune     hello
07:44 wahanui      OK, cait.
07:44 cait         wahanui this is <reply>
07:44 wahanui      cait: I forgot this
07:44 cait         wahanui: forget this
07:43 rangi        cool
07:42 wahanui      i think signed off is approval
07:42 cait         signed off
07:42 magnuse      sounds like a good idea ;-)
07:42 rangi        to find files they shouldnt be able to find
07:42 rangi        basically the patch will stop people being able to do directory traversal
07:40 rangi        now try with the patch
07:40 rangi        yup
07:40 cait         even if I don't have the permissions?
07:39 cait         ah
07:39 rangi        you can make it show any .tt page
07:39 rangi        yeah like i say
07:39 cait         advsearch without css?
07:39 cait         hm
07:38 rangi        /cgi-bin/koha/help.pl?url=koha/../catalogue/advsearch.pl
07:38 wahanui      it has been said that this is an important potin to make too
07:38 cait         rangi: this?
07:38 cait         hi magnuse
07:37 Oak          magnuse
07:35 rangi        in master try this
07:35 cait         ok?
07:35 rangi        its not like the cookie one
07:35 rangi        thats it
07:35 cait         what's the next step after trying the url?
07:35 cait         going back to localhost:8080 shows me nothing
07:34 rangi        excellent, so you should
07:34 cait         hm
07:34 rangi        and really we should be sanitising user input
07:34 cait         rangi: I get the template error when trying
07:34 rangi        but potentially you could find some .tt file with stuff in it you shouldnt read
07:34 rangi        because even without the patch it can only open files that end with .tt
07:34 Oak          :)
07:34 cait         yay Oak :)
07:33 rangi        as the cookie one
07:33 rangi        its not anywhere as bad
07:33 * Oak        is also going to try this patch
07:33 rangi        or something similair
07:33 rangi        cgi-bin/koha/help.pl?url=koha/../../../../../../etc/passwd%00.pl
07:33 rangi        so the thing to test is
07:33 rangi        cool
07:33 cait         same error :)
07:32 cait         on it
07:32 cait         yep
07:32 cait         help file opens
07:32 rangi        try that with master
07:32 cait         back to start page
07:32 cait         I go into catlaoging - help file opens
07:32 cait         error again
07:32 cait         clicked on the help
07:31 cait         logged back into koha
07:31 cait         I closed the browser
07:31 cait         ok
07:31 cait         ah
07:31 rangi        next thing to test is can you do something like
07:31 cait         checking again..
07:31 rangi        no idea :)
07:31 cait         so what happened?
07:30 cait         grr
07:30 cait         now it works
07:30 cait         rechecking
07:30 rangi        but it doenst work on the start page with the patch on?
07:29 cait         language is set to en
07:29 cait         there is a help file for the start page - I can log in, what's next?
07:28 cait         and it works on maser for the start page
07:28 cait         it works  with patch for cataloging
07:28 rangi        what works
07:28 cait         hm no it works
07:28 rangi        can you try under the catalogue or something?
07:28 rangi        hi alex_a
07:28 alex_a       bonjour :)
07:28 rangi        yeah
07:28 rangi        i bet it doesnt work either
07:28 cait         might be because there is no help for the start page
07:28 rangi        try that page without it
07:28 cait         ah
07:27 cait         Template process failed: file error - /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/.tt: not found at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 125.
07:27 cait         got
07:27 rangi        what is the error you get?
07:27 cait         tried opening the help on the start page
07:27 cait         sorry
07:27 cait         it doesn't
07:27 rangi        try something like
07:27 rangi        cait: after you confirm help still works
07:27 rangi        heh, yeah, thats not gonna happen :0
07:26 huginn       indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 28.0�C (12:50 PM IST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
07:26 indradg      @wunder kolkata
07:26 indradg      egads! someone is using v2.9.9 and wants support with complete docs
07:26 cait         oh, huginn is back!
07:26 rangi        and check you can still see help
07:26 cait         done
07:26 rangi        is apply it
07:26 rangi        first thing to do
07:25 cait         if you help me test?
07:25 rangi        yeah i dont feel i should sign off, because its close to my original, probably better if someone else tests
07:24 cait         only saw his comment
07:24 cait         had not seen the semarie did another patch
07:24 cait         ah
07:24 rangi        can i get a sign off on that from someone today I wonder
07:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion
07:23 rangi        bug 6628
07:22 cait         hm or evening
07:22 cait         morning rangi
07:22 rangi        hmm
06:36 indradg      AmitG, hey
06:36 indradg      kmkale, :)
06:30 kmkale       sorry to wake you up indradg ;)
06:29 AmitG        heya indradg
06:21 indradg      :)
06:21 indradg      hi kmkale finally /me woke up
06:19 kmkale       hi indradg|Zzzzz
06:19 kmkale       hi AmitG
06:12 cait         hi AmitG :)
06:03 wahanui      niihau, eythian
06:03 eythian      howdy
06:03 AmitG        heya Robin
06:03 AmitG        heya kmkale :D
06:03 AmitG        heya cait
05:28 cait         for me too
05:26 eythian      yep, but it's still early for me
05:26 cait         hi eythian - still at work?
05:26 Oak          ah danke
05:26 Oak          oh certainly, no problem :)
05:26 eythian      hi cait
05:26 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 15.0�C (10:00 AM PKT on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
05:26 cait         @wunder Islamabad
05:26 cait         and thx for the weather report Oak :)
05:26 cait         hi kmkale :)
05:26 kmkale       hi cait :)
05:23 Oak          hmm
05:23 huginn       Oak: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 5.0�C (6:00 AM CET on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
05:23 Oak          @wunder KOnstanz
05:23 cait         hi Oak :)
05:23 Oak          Guten Morgen cait
05:22 cait         morning #koha
05:14 Oak          heh
05:14 eythian      I'm not fussy :)
05:14 Oak          is this fine, or was Mr. Robin better?
05:13 eythian      hello
05:13 kmkale       hi rangi eythian & Oak :)
04:44 Oak          :)
04:44 Oak          hello Brave Sir Robin
04:43 eythian      hi Oak
04:43 eythian      yeah, that's what I though
04:43 Oak          hello rangi :)
04:42 rangi        hi oak
04:42 Oak          kia ora #koha
04:41 rangi        they all have to do them so there must be a way
04:41 rangi        probaby just a report
04:41 rangi        hmm nope would have to ask paul or jo or something
04:40 eythian      how do people do that?
04:40 eythian      do you happen to know about the "monthly Te Puna reports" thing?
04:39 rangi        I think treasury were keen on that originally, but just barcoded things instead
04:37 eythian      yeah
04:36 rangi        that'd be quite cool, as long as controlled by a syspref
04:30 chrisdothall should there be a link on the items page like 'checkout this item'? or is such thing not desirable?
04:29 rangi        naw no way to do that
04:21 eythian      I can't find a way to do that at all, even a kind of painful, awkward way.
04:20 eythian      Is there any way to check out an item that has no barcode?
03:48 kmkale       Namaskaar #koha
03:29 AmitG        heya rangi
03:06 huginn       jcamins_away: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 08:23 PM, June 19, 2009)
03:06 jcamins_away @quote random
03:06 huginn       jcamins_away: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
03:06 jcamins_away @quote random
02:50 jcamins_away :)
02:50 jcamins_away Three.
02:50 huginn       jcamins_away: Quote #129: "jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git." (added by wizzyrea at 07:01 PM, April 27, 2011)
02:50 jcamins_away @quote random
02:50 jcamins_away Two quotes from wizzyrea.
02:49 huginn       jcamins_away: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
02:49 jcamins_away @quote random
02:42 rangi        heh
02:29 huginn       jcamins_away: Quote #139: "library_systems_guy: I guess I could put (git-bz) in /usr/games because Koha + git = fun times" (added by wizzyrea at 05:55 PM, May 31, 2011)
02:29 jcamins_away @quote random
02:29 jcamins_away gmcharlt++
01:40 rangi        heh no worries
01:35 druthb       :)
01:35 gmcharlt     sorry about that, I did an OS upgrade to that VM, then promptly ran away for Thanksgiving
01:34 druthb       we missed huginn!
01:34 huginn       druthb: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
01:34 druthb       @quote random
01:30 rangi        gmcharlt++
01:29 rangi        thanks gmcharlt
01:28 rangi        yay!!!
01:28 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #137: "sekjal: the data's in there... it's just MARC" (added by cait at 06:40 PM, May 26, 2011)
01:28 gmcharlt     @quote random