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01:28 gmcharlt @quote random
01:28 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #137: "sekjal: the data's in there... it's just MARC" (added by cait at 06:40 PM, May 26, 2011)
01:28 rangi yay!!!
01:29 rangi thanks gmcharlt
01:30 rangi gmcharlt++
01:34 druthb @quote random
01:34 huginn druthb: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
01:34 druthb we missed huginn!
01:35 gmcharlt sorry about that, I did an OS upgrade to that VM, then promptly ran away for Thanksgiving
01:35 druthb :)
01:40 rangi heh no worries
02:29 jcamins_away gmcharlt++
02:29 jcamins_away @quote random
02:29 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #139: "library_systems_guy: I guess I could put (git-bz) in /usr/games because Koha + git = fun times" (added by wizzyrea at 05:55 PM, May 31, 2011)
02:42 rangi heh
02:49 jcamins_away @quote random
02:49 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
02:50 jcamins_away Two quotes from wizzyrea.
02:50 jcamins_away @quote random
02:50 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #129: "jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git." (added by wizzyrea at 07:01 PM, April 27, 2011)
02:50 jcamins_away Three.
02:50 jcamins_away :)
03:06 jcamins_away @quote random
03:06 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
03:06 jcamins_away @quote random
03:06 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 08:23 PM, June 19, 2009)
03:29 AmitG heya rangi
03:48 kmkale Namaskaar #koha
04:20 eythian Is there any way to check out an item that has no barcode?
04:21 eythian I can't find a way to do that at all, even a kind of painful, awkward way.
04:29 rangi naw no way to do that
04:30 chrisdothall should there be a link on the items page like 'checkout this item'? or is such thing not desirable?
04:36 rangi that'd be quite cool, as long as controlled by a syspref
04:37 eythian yeah
04:39 rangi I think treasury were keen on that originally, but just barcoded things instead
04:40 eythian do you happen to know about the "monthly Te Puna reports" thing?
04:40 eythian how do people do that?
04:41 rangi hmm nope would have to ask paul or jo or something
04:41 rangi probaby just a report
04:41 rangi they all have to do them so there must be a way
04:42 Oak kia ora #koha
04:42 rangi hi oak
04:43 Oak hello rangi :)
04:43 eythian yeah, that's what I though
04:43 eythian hi Oak
04:44 Oak hello Brave Sir Robin
04:44 Oak :)
05:13 kmkale hi rangi eythian & Oak :)
05:13 eythian hello
05:14 Oak is this fine, or was Mr. Robin better?
05:14 eythian I'm not fussy :)
05:14 Oak heh
05:22 cait morning #koha
05:23 Oak Guten Morgen cait
05:23 cait hi Oak :)
05:23 Oak @wunder KOnstanz
05:23 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 5.0�C (6:00 AM CET on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.43 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
05:23 Oak hmm
05:26 kmkale hi cait :)
05:26 cait hi kmkale :)
05:26 cait and thx for the weather report Oak :)
05:26 cait @wunder Islamabad
05:26 huginn cait: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 15.0�C (10:00 AM PKT on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
05:26 eythian hi cait
05:26 Oak oh certainly, no problem :)
05:26 Oak ah danke
05:26 cait hi eythian - still at work?
05:26 eythian yep, but it's still early for me
05:28 cait for me too
06:03 AmitG heya cait
06:03 AmitG heya kmkale :D
06:03 AmitG heya Robin
06:03 eythian howdy
06:03 wahanui niihau, eythian
06:12 cait hi AmitG :)
06:19 kmkale hi AmitG
06:19 kmkale hi indradg|Zzzzz
06:21 indradg hi kmkale finally /me woke up
06:21 indradg :)
06:29 AmitG heya indradg
06:30 kmkale sorry to wake you up indradg ;)
06:36 indradg kmkale, :)
06:36 indradg AmitG, hey
07:22 rangi hmm
07:22 cait morning rangi
07:22 cait hm or evening
07:23 rangi bug 6628
07:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion
07:24 rangi can i get a sign off on that from someone today I wonder
07:24 cait ah
07:24 cait had not seen the semarie did another patch
07:24 cait only saw his comment
07:25 rangi yeah i dont feel i should sign off, because its close to my original, probably better if someone else tests
07:25 cait if you help me test?
07:26 rangi first thing to do
07:26 rangi is apply it
07:26 cait done
07:26 rangi and check you can still see help
07:26 cait oh, huginn is back!
07:26 indradg egads! someone is using v2.9.9 and wants support with complete docs
07:26 indradg @wunder kolkata
07:26 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 28.0�C (12:50 PM IST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
07:27 rangi heh, yeah, thats not gonna happen :0
07:27 rangi cait: after you confirm help still works
07:27 rangi try something like
07:27 cait it doesn't
07:27 cait sorry
07:27 cait tried opening the help on the start page
07:27 rangi what is the error you get?
07:27 cait got
07:27 cait Template process failed: file error - /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/.tt: not found at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 125.
07:28 cait ah
07:28 rangi try that page without it
07:28 cait might be because there is no help for the start page
07:28 rangi i bet it doesnt work either
07:28 rangi yeah
07:28 alex_a bonjour :)
07:28 rangi hi alex_a
07:28 rangi can you try under the catalogue or something?
07:28 cait hm no it works
07:28 rangi what works
07:28 cait it works with patch for cataloging
07:28 cait and it works on maser for the start page
07:29 cait there is a help file for the start page - I can log in, what's next?
07:29 cait language is set to en
07:30 rangi but it doenst work on the start page with the patch on?
07:30 cait rechecking
07:30 cait now it works
07:30 cait grr
07:31 cait so what happened?
07:31 rangi no idea :)
07:31 cait checking again..
07:31 rangi next thing to test is can you do something like
07:31 cait ah
07:31 cait ok
07:31 cait I closed the browser
07:31 cait logged back into koha
07:32 cait clicked on the help
07:32 cait error again
07:32 cait I go into catlaoging - help file opens
07:32 cait back to start page
07:32 rangi try that with master
07:32 cait help file opens
07:32 cait yep
07:32 cait on it
07:33 cait same error :)
07:33 rangi cool
07:33 rangi so the thing to test is
07:33 rangi cgi-bin/koha/help.pl?url=koha/../../../../../../etc/passwd%00.pl
07:33 rangi or something similair
07:33 * Oak is also going to try this patch
07:33 rangi its not anywhere as bad
07:33 rangi as the cookie one
07:34 cait yay Oak :)
07:34 Oak :)
07:34 rangi because even without the patch it can only open files that end with .tt
07:34 rangi but potentially you could find some .tt file with stuff in it you shouldnt read
07:34 cait rangi: I get the template error when trying
07:34 rangi and really we should be sanitising user input
07:34 cait hm
07:34 rangi excellent, so you should
07:35 cait going back to localhost:8080 shows me nothing
07:35 cait what's the next step after trying the url?
07:35 rangi thats it
07:35 rangi its not like the cookie one
07:35 cait ok?
07:35 rangi in master try this
07:37 Oak magnuse
07:38 cait hi magnuse
07:38 cait rangi: this?
07:38 wahanui it has been said that this is an important potin to make too
07:38 rangi /cgi-bin/koha/help.pl?url=koha/../catalogue/advsearch.pl
07:39 cait hm
07:39 cait advsearch without css?
07:39 rangi yeah like i say
07:39 rangi you can make it show any .tt page
07:39 cait ah
07:40 cait even if I don't have the permissions?
07:40 rangi yup
07:40 rangi now try with the patch
07:42 rangi basically the patch will stop people being able to do directory traversal
07:42 rangi to find files they shouldnt be able to find
07:42 magnuse sounds like a good idea ;-)
07:42 cait signed off
07:42 wahanui i think signed off is approval
07:43 rangi cool
07:44 cait wahanui: forget this
07:44 wahanui cait: I forgot this
07:44 cait wahanui this is <reply>
07:44 wahanui OK, cait.
07:44 reiveune hello
07:44 wahanui niihau, reiveune
07:44 cait forget signed off
07:44 wahanui cait: I forgot signed off
07:44 cait hi reiveune :)
07:44 reiveune hi cait, and everybody
07:44 reiveune :)
07:47 rangi heya reiveune
07:47 wahanui reiveune is connected through the VPN
07:47 cait heh
07:47 reiveune wahanui: wrong
07:47 wahanui reiveune: i'm not following you...
07:48 reiveune it is not very nice this bot
07:49 cait hehe
07:49 cait you can give him memory loss
07:49 cait forget reiveune
07:49 wahanui cait: I forgot reiveune
07:49 reiveune lol
07:49 cait reiveune is working for biblibre
07:49 cait that's right?
07:49 reiveune yes
07:50 cait reiveune?
07:50 wahanui hmmm... reiveune is working for biblibre
07:50 cait you can add more with is also :)
07:50 cait ok, bbiab
07:54 indradg rangi, magnuse and all you bad bad people of #koha - see this "but where to download koha v3.6.x for windows" :P
07:55 * indradg is not going to help on koha-users for folks who request doze versions
07:55 rangi indradg: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4
07:55 rangi if they really want to try, its possible
07:55 rangi not easy, but possible
07:56 indradg rangi, i know....but the demand is for complete steps with screenshots :P
07:56 rangi ahh yeah, not gonna happen
07:57 magnuse i'm not volunteering ;-)
07:58 Oak i'd rather clean my room
07:58 indradg lol
07:58 Oak :)
07:59 julian_m hi #koha
08:00 marcelr morning koha
08:02 rangi hi marcelr
08:02 rangi and julian_m
08:02 wahanui Good luck getting ten words out of this one...
08:03 marcelr hi rangi
08:03 sophie_m hi #koha
08:03 rangi hi sophie_m
08:03 marcelr hi sophie_m
08:15 kf back :)
08:16 Oak welcome back
08:17 kf thx :)
08:17 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:17 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (9:00 AM CET on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
08:23 paul_p hello world
08:23 * paul_p heading to push patches now
08:23 rangi hiya paul_p
08:23 marcelr hi paul_p
08:23 indradg hi paul_p
08:24 paul_p on friday, sophie has fixed the security issue on all of our customers setups. Then sent a mail. Funny to see some of them understanding strictly nothing about the problem...
08:31 rangi 6628 is worth looking at too paul_p
08:31 paul_p rangi, ok, will do
08:31 rangi nowhere as bad as 6629, but does let you read .tt files that your shouldnt be able to
08:32 marcelr paul_p: is there already a fix for 6629 on the cookie error?
08:32 paul_p marcelr, yep. By rangi (reading it now)
08:33 rangi marcelr: master and 3.6.x arent vulnerable
08:33 marcelr rangi: but the commit breaks master now?
08:33 kf hi paul_p :)
08:34 rangi only the webinstaller, which lead me to discover that under certain circumstances it was vulnerable
08:34 kf marcelr: webinstaller
08:34 kf and hi marcelr :)
08:34 marcelr hi kf
08:34 rangi so the follow up patch fixes the error, and does input sanitisation on the webinstaller too
08:34 marcelr rangi: i got the impression that the follow up did not fix the error on webinstaller
08:35 rangi did for me
08:35 rangi and kf
08:35 rangi who gave you that impression
08:35 rangi the follow up hasnt been pushed yet
08:35 marcelr a quick test
08:35 rangi and jared confirms it does too
08:36 kf it worked fine for me, jared first thought it didn't but then it worked
08:36 kf I applied the patch, hit f5 and webinstaller was happy
08:36 marcelr ok, i wait and see
08:36 rangi so you applied it, and still got an error running the webinstaller?
08:37 marcelr yes i thought so
08:37 rangi just now?
08:37 marcelr 10 mins ago\
08:38 rangi this patch http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6424
08:38 rangi there are 2 follow ups
08:38 rangi [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error (
08:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection
08:38 rangi and then
08:38 marcelr ok that should be it; i saw only one
08:38 rangi Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places
08:38 rangi ahh right
08:38 rangi yeah, you need both of them
08:38 marcelr ok
08:39 rangi if you pass qa, you might like to squash them
08:39 rangi make it easier for paul_p :)
08:39 marcelr well, paul probably pushes them now already..
08:39 rangi @later tell chris_n the patch for 6629 [3.4.x] needs to be applied asap
08:39 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
08:43 paul_p marcelr, it's up to you: either I push both patches, or I wait for your squashed one
08:44 paul_p I have a few others to check/push though
08:44 marcelr paul_p: just push them; they work for me too now
08:49 paul_p OK, patch pushed
08:49 paul_p looking at 6628 now
08:50 rangi thanks paul_p
08:51 magnuse paul_p++
08:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug_6629' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2989e12288b09745863376d10d830af5687e7e5e> / Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af205cb50af430b743fccd84475be15ce14fc84e> / Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c
08:58 kf monday starting good :)
08:58 jenkins_koha Starting build 540 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
09:17 francharb morning #koha
09:18 marcelr hi francharb
09:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'new/bug_6328' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=339e9edd146073a6957473cb4b10c582454ab8c4> / Bug 6328 : Previous patches broke templates, this is fixing them <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e05393dd8160c754c2ef027315038c6dc8b6b9b> / Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8664d
09:18 kf paul_p: I knew it wouldn't work - only being thorough in testing ;)
09:19 paul_p kf, working on 6894 now !
09:20 kf ok
09:23 paul_p kf, if I understand correctly, the patch has not changed, it's only the description, right ?
09:23 paul_p (description & test case)
09:23 kf no changes to the patch
09:23 kf trying to make the test plan a bit clearer though
09:24 paul_p seems fair to me. Will push
09:24 kf so 2) is working for you now?
09:25 paul_p (being testing ;-) )
09:26 paul_p nope, still not working. I :
09:26 paul_p - created a suggestion on the OPAC
09:27 paul_p - opened the suggestion on staff (http://koha-community:8080/cgi-bin/koha/suggestion/suggestion.pl?suggestionid=1&op=edit) and still get AA as currency, where I should have EUR
09:28 kf that's so weird
09:28 kf has been working for a lot of people
09:28 kf ok
09:29 kf I have no idea what's going wrong for you
09:29 kf I have restested it too - works for me
09:29 kf only difference is, I have CAD as first currency, not AA
09:31 kf and don't believe it's related to unimarc
09:31 kf bug 6894
09:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6894 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Default currency on Acquisitions suggestion form
09:35 kf hm
09:35 kf the code looks logical to me too
09:39 paul_p to me too, your code looks logical. what about asking on koha-devel for other tester/ideas ?
09:42 syed I have cleaned my db using "batch delete" and ran rebuild zebra.... but Client/OPAC search still showing the same recodes.
09:42 slef kmkale: jcamins_away: all co-ops are a bit like each other :)
09:42 rangi searching faq?
09:42 wahanui i think searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
09:43 rangi syed take a look at that
09:43 syed rangi: ok
09:43 rangi theres one there for deleted records still showing
09:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #540: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/540/
09:48 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up to trap vuln in webinstaller and fixing the error
09:48 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6629 : Follow up, sanitising in a couple more places
09:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6629 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , [security] insecure use of Cookie for language selection
09:48 jenkins_koha Starting build 541 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
09:49 kf paul_p: are you looking at the right suggestion?
09:50 kf in your bug comment you have suggestionid: 2, but your url shows 1
09:50 paul_p yikes !!!!
09:50 * paul_p apologize !!!
09:50 paul_p kf++
09:50 paul_p kf++
09:50 paul_p kf++
09:51 paul_p (it was a new one, so suggestionid=3)
09:54 syed rangi: thanks... successfully done!
09:54 rangi cool
09:58 Oak kf++
10:10 kf paul_p: very happy we found it :)
10:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #541: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/541/
10:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6628 : Stopping a potential vulnerability
10:36 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6328 : Previous patches broke templates, this is fixing them
10:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6628 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , [security] help system use insecure REFERRER for file inclusion
10:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work
10:38 rangi yay http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/
10:39 rangi 2 tests passing, 11 to go :)
10:39 kf I tried the perlcritic... but that needs someone a lot wiser than me
10:40 paul_p rangi, ? about 7268 (templates), I still get a "not OK":
10:40 paul_p perl xt/author/translatable-templates.t
10:40 paul_p 1..2
10:40 paul_p not ok 1 - opac templates are translatable
10:40 paul_p # Failed test 'opac templates are translatable'
10:40 paul_p # at xt/author/translatable-templates.t line 51.
10:40 paul_p # ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... terminé.
10:40 paul_p but no error reported. Anything I'm missing?
10:40 paul_p (without the patch, I had a # Wide character in print at ./xgettext.pl line 226., so there's a difference)
10:41 rangi hmm they pass here, im not sure why there is an error, the no error message doesnt help
10:42 paul_p agreed ;-)
10:42 paul_p I don't understand how this script is supposed to work.where does the podir come from ? which translation is it choosing to do the test ?
10:42 rangi orohiko:[git/7268-]:~/git/catalyst-koha% perl xt/author/translatable-templates.t
10:42 rangi 1..2
10:42 rangi ok 1 - opac templates are translatable
10:43 paul_p opac.po ?
10:43 paul_p I don't have any opac.po file
10:43 paul_p my $command = "./tmpl_process3.pl create -i $template_dir -s $po_dir/$module.po -r --pedantic-warnings"; => module.po contains 'opac' I think
10:44 rangi its creating it
10:44 rangi its testing creating the .po file
10:44 rangi it should make a opac.po and a intranet.po
10:45 rangi hmm try this
10:45 rangi on line 50
10:45 rangi put
10:45 rangi diag join("\n", @warnings, '');
10:45 rangi see if you get more info
10:46 paul_p rangi, nope, just getting the # .............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. terminé.
10:46 paul_p (isn't this the origin of the problem ? the script think something went wrong because of the output ?
10:47 paul_p yikes !
10:47 paul_p "terminé" !
10:47 paul_p not "done" !
10:47 rangi yeah
10:47 paul_p it's because i'm french
10:47 rangi thats probably it :)
10:47 rangi and because jenkins is too
10:47 rangi :)
10:48 paul_p jenkins is french locale ?
10:48 rangi yup
10:48 paul_p (because we're managing it ?)
10:48 rangi the server its on is
10:48 rangi yup
10:48 kf ah
10:48 rangi jenkins_koha> Starting build 541 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS
10:48 rangi #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
10:48 rangi 10 j :)
10:49 rangi thats def french
10:49 rangi that explains it then :)
10:49 kf how do we fix it?
10:49 rangi next if /^\.* terminé\.$/;
10:49 kf I think easy for jenkins, but the tests will fail when run locally?
10:49 * kf has the same problem
10:50 rangi it should be matching that
10:50 paul_p maybe test \.*\A* (ie: any number of points followed by any number of alphabetical letters) ?
10:50 paul_p ( \A not sure )
10:50 rangi hmmm
10:51 rangi yeah that might work
10:55 rangi right time for sleep i think
10:56 kf good night rangi
10:58 paul_p good night rangi
10:58 paul_p (and of course, there are diacritics, so it's not so easy to handle...)
11:19 fabio_t good morning #koha
11:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: fixing the translatable-template.t to handle localized setups <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c95cbce4ce8df9d9d8f664b84a3d15a6e8e8cc57> / Bug 7268: Fixing failing tests for translatable templates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=66fa8288461c8f14108a507de91977b3394d1c0c>
11:24 marcelr hi fabio_t
11:27 kf lunch time
11:28 jenkins_koha Starting build 542 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 10 j ago)
11:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6894' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0489763d66dde3309396755f7c1d0c6359be31b> / Bug 6894: Order from suggestion defaulting to wrong currency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=624b1562d8567dabd23cb4e1ac7e34615e604edc>
12:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #542: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/542/
12:17 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6894: Order from suggestion defaulting to wrong currency
12:17 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7268: Fixing failing tests for translatable templates
12:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: fixing the translatable-template.t to handle localized setups
12:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6894 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Default currency on Acquisitions suggestion form
12:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7268 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Templates failing translation tests
12:59 fabio_t away for lunch, bye!
13:09 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7270] Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7270>
13:30 oleonard What an exciting holiday weekend in #koha.
13:31 kf the security fixes?
13:31 oleonard Yes
13:32 kf yep
13:32 kf kept us busy
13:33 oleonard Has PTFS posted their fix for the vulnerability yet?
13:33 kf or more my coworker who had to apply them
13:33 kf it's in the repo
13:34 jcamins_away Well, the fix for one of the vulnerabilities.
13:34 kf their repo, there was a link on twitter
13:34 kf they know about the other too now
14:37 Oak who funds public libraries?
14:37 Oak the gumment?
14:38 oleonard Generally speaking the definition of a public library could be one that is publicly funded
14:38 oleonard But funding can be different from place to place.
14:38 Oak how does a public library make money so it does not have to rely on government's grant?
14:38 kf I think it's different
14:39 Oak okay
14:39 kf public library here means theat the town or city is funding it
14:39 Oak so what are some of examples of funding sources?
14:39 kf most of the time
14:39 Oak hmm
14:39 kf some are funded by the church I think
14:40 oleonard Examples: direct state/local/regional funding; foundation funding; local levies (direct taxpayer funding)
14:40 Oak hm. i see.
14:40 kf what is the question behind your question?
14:41 Oak :) well, we were given a (mini) project by the Project Management teacher to draw a proposal for a new library.
14:42 Oak we (our group) have written the proposal but our (fictional) funding source is government. so, govt. gave us money now, but who will give us money after one year?
14:42 kf not so mini :)
14:42 Oak that's what i was thinking
14:42 Oak should i send it to you for reading when you get home?
14:42 kf hehe I am not your teacher!
14:42 Oak you *are*.
14:43 kf hmpf
14:43 kf I never had courses abut project management
14:43 Oak and i've never worked in a library
14:43 Oak it'll be a perfect combination for review
14:44 oleonard Oak, why is your fictional government funding one-time?
14:44 oleonard Doesn't your government have a funding model for public libraries?
14:44 Oak i see. i don't know.
14:45 Oak so may be our govt. will keep giving us money year after year
14:45 Oak i should google that... funding model for public libraries...
14:46 magnuse in norway, there's a law saying that every municipality myst have and fund a public library
14:47 magnuse it does not say anything about the level of service that should be provided, though
14:47 magnuse on the other hand it does say that the leader of the library should be educated as a librarian
14:47 kf magnuse: that's very cool!
14:48 kf libraries are not mandatory here and funding varies
14:48 magnuse but it does not say he/she has to work 100%, and lots of municipalities have gotten exemptions, because no one with the education applied for the job
15:06 jcamins Libraries aren't particularly mandatory in the States, either.
15:09 slef magnuse: similar here. Recently Somerset County Council lost a court case when it tried to close libraries improperly. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15752432
15:10 magnuse no court cases here that i know of, but some municipalities with tight budgets spend as little as they can on libraries...
15:12 chris_n is it safe for turkeys to come out now?
15:14 jcamins Apparently people in Iceland are the most optimistic about the possibilities of entrepreneurship, followed by the people of Norway, Sweden, and China. Least optimistic about entrepreneurship as a way to make a living are the Japanese, Dutch, and Hungarian.
15:14 gmcharlt @quote random
15:14 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #109: "<darling>yep — china kicks ass" (added by wizzyrea at 10:29 PM, December 01, 2010)
15:17 chris_n wb gmcharlt
15:18 jcamins Checking that huginn is still working? :)
15:18 magnuse wow, that quote was eerily relevant to what jcamins just said
15:19 magnuse wb gmcharlt - we missed huginn... and you! ;-)
15:19 jcamins magnuse: it is, isn't it?
15:19 wizzyrea I swear he's becoming sentient
15:19 wizzyrea and good morning
15:19 magnuse hiya wizzyrea
15:20 jcamins wizzyrea: the last four quotes I've seen from huginn were all added by you, I think.
15:20 jcamins @quote random
15:20 huginn jcamins: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
15:22 magnuse @quote random
15:22 huginn magnuse: Quote #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better" (added by gmcharlt at 07:49 PM, September 13, 2011)
15:22 magnuse hehe
15:24 wizzyrea it's because I'm here, huginn doesn't want me getting a big head.
15:24 wizzyrea ;)
15:26 jcamins @quote random
15:26 huginn jcamins: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011)
15:26 jcamins Okay, huginn's not that concerned, I guess.
15:27 jcamins Have a nice Thanksgiving, wizzyrea?
15:27 jcamins And gmcharlt?
15:27 wahanui gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
15:27 wizzyrea well, aside from the puking kid, 5 days off in a row was pretty great.
15:27 slef jcamins: what was that entrepreneurship thing from?
15:27 wizzyrea but the puking was only one day
15:28 magnuse 1_day_puking++
15:28 magnuse 2_or_more_days_puking--
15:28 wizzyrea if you're gonna have it, one day is the best possible outcome ;)
15:29 jcamins slef: Gallup organization survey. http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/flash/fl_283_en.pdf
15:30 slef jcamins: oic
15:33 kf jcamins: I wanted to ask you something about a bug
15:33 * jcamins hides.
15:33 kf jcamins: do you have a few minutes? :)
15:33 kf ah, I can ask again later ;)
15:33 oleonard http://www.whatsthatbug.com/
15:34 Oak question: suppose a government, or some foundation is responsible for providing funds to a public library. then is it allowed for a public library to go its own fund raising and spend that money where they please? or will they have to provide details for how much they collected to the government also?
15:34 jcamins kf: sure.
15:34 Oak do* its own fund raising...
15:35 magnuse "Do you have a bug you need identified?" ;-)
15:35 jcamins Oak: they'd have to account for all their income/expenditures.
15:35 Oak uh oh
15:35 jcamins Most likely.
15:36 jcamins kf: I do have a few minutes. I was just hiding. ;)
15:37 wizzyrea a lot of libraries have foundations or friends groups that raise money for the library on the side
15:37 jcamins True.
15:37 wizzyrea but that money doesn't really belong to the library
15:37 Oak i see. hmm
15:38 Oak why? who does it belong to?
15:38 jcamins But any money that the *library* has must be accounted for. The Friends group will have to do their own accounting.
15:38 wizzyrea it belongs to the friends group
15:38 Oak i see
15:38 wizzyrea right
15:38 kf jcamins: :)
15:38 kf let me find the bug number
15:38 kf huginn++
15:38 wizzyrea there are at least 4 (that I can think of) funding schemes in my system alone
15:38 rhcl_away Oak: our library is funded by taxes - our library district is independent of any state, county or municipal boundaries, although in fact it does follow county boundaries mostly.
15:38 kf bug 5269
15:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5269 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, link to patron edit form when editing turned off
15:39 rhcl_away so we are our own independent taxing district
15:39 wizzyrea NEKLS is funded by state statue, a small mill levy on property taxes in all areas of our region not collecting taxes for a local library
15:39 Oak rhcl_away, hmm.
15:40 rhcl_away yes, I should have added the tax is based on real property
15:40 wizzyrea our member libraries are funded by either municipal, district, or county taxes levied by the library board
15:40 Oak wizzyrea, what are those 4 funding schemes ... names?
15:40 Oak ah
15:40 jcamins kf: did I have anything to do with that?
15:41 rhcl wizzyrea: are u going to teach that class we were talking about?
15:41 wizzyrea which class?
15:41 kf typo...
15:41 kf but 5369
15:41 * wizzyrea has been off for 5 days
15:41 kf bug 5369
15:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , se queries with paranthesis fail
15:41 * kf sends wizzyrea cookies
15:41 * jcamins sends cookies too.
15:41 rhcl "Intro to Koha Bug Fixing and Git"
15:42 wizzyrea O.o well, i'm an amateur at best ;)
15:42 rhcl basically, the steps to testing and signing off on bugs
15:42 jcamins wizzyrea++ # for teaching a course on Intro to Koha Bug Fixing and Git.
15:42 wizzyrea O.O
15:43 oleonard Drunken post-Thanksgiving class-volunteering?
15:43 rhcl see, we're (my tech and I) are probably smart enough to figure out perl, and someday we will wade through git, but if we just had somebody to take a 6-hour day and walk us through a series
15:44 wizzyrea if it was drunken, I missed it - unless I was drunk on puke.
15:44 rhcl of sign-offs we'd be smarter sooner
15:44 wizzyrea oh - well, sure you can come down here for a day
15:45 wizzyrea and we can go through it together if you want, but it'd be more of a "guide on the side" kind of thing
15:45 rhcl sure? don't let me talk you into this if you don't have the time or otherwise
15:45 wizzyrea not a "sage on the stage"
15:45 wizzyrea nah I'm always down for hosting kohapeeps
15:45 wizzyrea i have a wicked amount of time off this month though - let me figure out my schedule and we can figure something out
15:47 magnuse rhcl: seen this? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_patches
15:47 wahanui I haven't seen 'this', magnuse
15:48 wizzyrea I should say, the wiki pages are wicked helpful
15:48 wizzyrea (in fact that was my first thought - just read the wiki - but I didn't want to seem rude. I know sometimes it's nice to get away from the library to learn stuff)
15:51 magnuse yeah, sounds like a lovely excursion - visiting wizzyrea to learn git
15:51 * jcamins books a plane ticket.
15:51 wizzyrea if jcamins comes I'll just let him teach it :P
15:54 rhcl yes, weell, for example, the instructions for testing: <quote>You test it.</quote>
15:55 wizzyrea hehe
15:55 rhcl I would really benefit from having a bit of meat with that tidbit
15:55 wizzyrea testing is easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:55 jcamins <.<
15:55 jcamins >.>
15:55 wizzyrea testing?
15:55 wahanui testing is fun!
15:55 jcamins ^.^
15:55 jcamins Did I write that?
15:55 sekjal "and somewhere, a miracle occurs"
15:55 wizzyrea testing is also easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:55 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
15:55 wizzyrea testing?
15:55 wahanui somebody said testing was fun! or easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:56 jcamins gmcharlt: did you ever have any success in developing your new way to keep the frameworks in line with the MARC standards?
15:56 wizzyrea well a "best practices for testing" would probably be nice
15:56 wizzyrea and "when to feel like a failure of a tester" too.
15:57 wizzyrea :P
15:57 kf hm
15:57 kf I think something like: test you can add new stuff, it displays right, you can change it, you can delete it
15:57 jcamins grs1--
15:57 rhcl I am more of a sys admin (for all things tech), and have to fix hardware, manage a dozen "systems", including telephones, public access system, wireless controllers, file servers, virtual machines
15:57 gmcharlt jcamins: not enough tuits
15:58 * wizzyrea gives gmcharlt more tuitus
15:58 wizzyrea wait.
15:58 wizzyrea not tutus.
15:58 wizzyrea tuits!
15:58 rhcl someday I might get the time to actually sit down and start looking at Koha code and figure it out on my own, but if I got out of my environment for a day and just had some tutoring without distractions....
15:58 wizzyrea that's what I suspected you were asking for :)
15:59 jcamins tuits?
15:59 rhcl and I'm trying to work with two different groups coding a new public access control application at the local university
16:00 magnuse tuits?
16:01 wizzyrea as in "round tuits"
16:01 wizzyrea or "round to it's"
16:01 wizzyrea or "when I get around to it"
16:01 rhcl and my secretary forgot to make coffee for me this morning, so now I have to go do it. Just as well, she doesn't have the artisan skill of making coffee
16:01 gmcharlt not to be confused with square tuits
16:01 jcamins Ah.
16:01 magnuse "A circular object giving its owner the ability to get done everything that would have otherwise been put off to a later date." http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/round_tuit
16:02 wizzyrea I hear hexagonal tuits have supernatural powers.
16:02 magnuse wow, you learn something new every day on #koha :-)
16:05 * chris_n would be glad for any kind of tuit
16:06 chris_n never can seem to get "tuit," period :-P
16:06 magnuse and then there's tui, the nz bird
16:12 jcamins magnuse: and the iut, best known for his callowness here in New York.
16:16 magnuse "known for their noisy, unusual call, different for each individual, that combine bellbird-like notes with clicks, cackles, timber-like creaks and groans, and wheezing sounds" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tui_%28bird%29
16:16 magnuse rumour has is ones that live near people can imitate mobile phobes ;-)
16:16 magnuse s/phobes/phones/ ;-)
16:17 * jcamins knows lots of mobilephobes. ;)
16:18 magnuse tee hee
16:18 kf time to leave - bye all
16:21 reiveune bye
16:50 libsysguy morning Koha
16:50 libsysguy I am trying to stage a marc file with about 300 records through the web interface
16:50 libsysguy and it seems to be hanging
16:50 libsysguy is there anyway to do that via shell without having to do a full index
16:51 jcamins libsysguy: yeah, use stage_marc_something.pl
16:51 jcamins find ~/kohaclone -name "stage_marc*" -print
16:51 libsysguy haha thats what i just ran :p
16:51 jcamins Note, however, that if the records are not in UTF-8 you need kf's patch.
16:52 libsysguy they are
16:52 libsysguy but i didn't find that file
16:52 jcamins Hmm.
16:52 jcamins find ~/kohaclone -name "stage*.pl" -print
16:52 jcamins It's there.
16:52 jcamins Somewhere.
16:52 jcamins misc?
16:53 jcamins stage_biblios_file.pl
16:53 libsysguy found it
16:53 jcamins misc/stage_biblios_file.pl
16:53 libsysguy thanks jcamins
16:53 jcamins You're welcome.
16:53 libsysguy jcamins++
16:53 jcamins @karma
16:53 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (444), "oleonard" (370), and "gmcharlt" (270). Lowest karma: "<!" (-106), "failed" (-68), and "-" (-37). You (jcamins) are ranked 12 out of 1803.
16:54 libsysguy @karma
16:54 huginn libsysguy: Highest karma: "rangi" (444), "oleonard" (370), and "gmcharlt" (270). Lowest karma: "<!" (-106), "failed" (-68), and "-" (-37). You (libsysguy) are ranked 48 out of 1803.
16:54 jcamins Whew! I can begin to recover from my huginn withdrawal. ;)
16:54 libsysguy haha
16:54 jcamins @karma jcamins_away
16:54 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8.
16:55 jcamins @karma jcamins
16:55 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 113 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 112.
16:55 libsysguy if I need to use a matching rule….i see the flag but it doesn't really say how to specify it
16:55 libsysguy do you know jcamins
16:55 wahanui jcamins is, like, supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
16:55 jcamins libsysguy: I think you specify the name.
16:55 libsysguy ok ill give it a shot
17:05 libsysguy that worked kind of
17:05 libsysguy we were doing an overlay
17:05 libsysguy and the changes didn't show up after a partial index
17:06 cait hi #koha
17:06 libsysguy should we rebuild from the xml?
17:06 libsysguy hi cait :)
17:06 cait hi libsysguy :)
17:07 libsysguy is it possible to run rebuild with -b -x -z
17:08 jcamins libsysguy: are the changes showing up when you view the records, and just not affecting search results?
17:08 libsysguy no its not showing up period
17:09 libsysguy when we view the marc record in the stage its correct
17:09 libsysguy and it says it matched
17:09 libsysguy but after processing and looking up the record in the staff client
17:09 jcamins libsysguy: in that case it has nothing to do with the index, and -- I suspect -- everything to do with the fact that you didn't go to Manage Batches and click "Import this batch." :P
17:09 libsysguy its not correct
17:10 libsysguy no we did that
17:10 libsysguy and it said it completed the import of records
17:11 jcamins Hm.
17:11 jcamins Well, definitely not an indexing issue.
17:12 jcamins That would only affect search results.
17:12 libsysguy hmm
17:12 cait is your record in the bilbio table?
17:13 jcamins If you view the detail page and don't see the changes, the import wasn't actually done.
17:13 cait ah, overlay
17:13 cait ignore me
17:13 jcamins Try undoing the import, then doing it again?
17:13 * cait goes back to making dinner
17:17 libsysguy ok so after rerunning the import i went and looked at the db
17:17 libsysguy in the item record (we are changing the call number) it didn't change
17:18 jcamins And you're sure you have the overlay set up correctly?
17:19 libsysguy its set to overlay on the oclc #…and in the import it says it has all the records matched
17:20 wizzyrea I don't think you can overlay items
17:20 wizzyrea at least, that was my understanding
17:20 wizzyrea why not batch edit them?
17:21 jcamins wizzyrea: that was my understanding, too.
17:21 sekjal nope, no way to overlay on items yet. you either add them or not... if you're adding, then if the barcode already exists, it won't update
17:21 wizzyrea ^^ there you have it
17:21 wizzyrea see we forgot to ask the first question
17:21 wizzyrea "what are you trying to do"
17:21 wizzyrea the first question is what are you trying to do?
17:21 wizzyrea the first question?
17:21 wahanui the first question is probably why you would pick a strange version like that. 3.4.3 is the current stable release
17:21 wizzyrea forget the first question
17:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot first question
17:22 wizzyrea the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:22 libsysguy sorry stepped away
17:23 wizzyrea the first question?
17:23 wahanui i guess the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:25 libsysguy is there any work in getting overlaying for items working?
17:25 libsysguy we needed to add url's to items
17:25 libsysguy and that is kind of a one at a time thing
17:26 wizzyrea ah yea, adding url's = can't batch that
17:26 jcamins libsysguy: delete all items that you want to replace, then add items?
17:27 libsysguy yeah but that requires a full index right
17:27 jcamins Extract the list of barcodes, use the batch delete tool.
17:27 jcamins No.
17:27 jcamins Don't see why.
17:27 jcamins sekjal: does the batch item deletion tool update zebraqueue?
17:27 wizzyrea nope
17:27 wizzyrea yes, i mean
17:27 wizzyrea no it won't require a reindex
17:27 wizzyrea yes it does update zebraqueue
17:28 libsysguy ohh well there is a silver lining
17:28 sekjal jcamins: right, batch update/delete handle zebra
17:29 libsysguy sekjal since I have you around…hourly?
17:30 sekjal libsysguy: nothing to report
17:30 sekjal well, no
17:30 sekjal there is a bit
17:30 libsysguy uh oh
17:30 sekjal we're working with Catalyst to get a solid test instance set up
17:31 sekjal goal is to open that up to everyone, so we can get as many testers looking at it as possible
17:31 libsysguy oh w00t
17:31 sekjal holiday slowed me up a bit
17:31 libsysguy is there a snag in that…we might be able to provide something
17:31 libsysguy turkey always slows me down too
17:31 sekjal yeah, it's just a crowded time of year in the US, schedule-wise
17:32 libsysguy indeed
17:32 libsysguy well If i can put something up for you guys let me know
17:32 libsysguy we have a pretty strong VM cluster set up here
17:33 sekjal cool, thanks libsysguy
17:33 libsysguy np
17:33 sekjal what we really need, as a community as a whole, is a very detailed and robust set of testing data
17:33 sekjal so we can all test on the same thing
17:34 sekjal reduce one more variable in the process
17:34 sekjal FOR SCIENCE!
17:34 libsysguy agreed…inconvienent…but agreed
17:34 * wizzyrea has been playing portal 2 all weekend - don't talk to me about science!
17:34 * wizzyrea giggles
17:35 * oleonard just started it last night!
17:35 wizzyrea !!
17:35 * sekjal allows himself a little bit of Minecraft, but that's it for video games
17:36 * libsysguy plays no videogames…he is only allowed to code from the basement
17:36 wizzyrea not even angry birds?
17:36 * jcamins doesn't play videogames.
17:37 libsysguy nope…my fuse is too short with games…it becomes a competition
17:37 wizzyrea ...isn't that what games *are*
17:37 wizzyrea you don't have to play coop :P
17:37 wizzyrea or you mean you put your fist through the computer screen
17:37 * jcamins writes about Dziga Vertov's rapidly anti-Eisenstein stance instead.
17:37 jcamins s/rapidly/rabidly/
17:42 * jcamins awards himself a cookie for having killed that conversation.
17:42 jcamins :P
17:43 sekjal Minecraft is delightfully pointless. like being immersed in a 3D Lego world
17:43 sekjal with monsters
17:43 * oleonard has never tried it
17:43 rhcl Vertov differed from Eisenstein (theatre vs documentary), but was he anti-Eisenstein?
17:44 jcamins rhcl: no, he was anti-Eisenstein-style film.
17:44 jcamins I was simplifying.
17:44 jcamins He was rabidly anti-"fiction" for proletarian film.
17:44 rhcl think we had same underlying thought
17:45 jcamins Yup.
17:45 rhcl but he did propaganda films, right?
17:45 jcamins Vertov? Yeah.
17:45 rhcl or are you saying he was anti-proletarian?
17:45 jcamins Then he got in trouble for Sixth Part of the World
17:46 jcamins He was pro-proletarian, anti-"fiction."
17:46 rhcl ic
17:46 jcamins He felt the new world order required a new, non-fictional form of film.
17:46 rhcl I'm at the limits of my knowledge of the subject
17:46 jcamins rhcl: you know more than most people!
17:48 rhcl I confess I have a cursory exposure to many different subjects, but find I need to wikipeida frequently to refresh my memory. I can still quote Shakespeare at some length, for example, but sometimes forget the context.
17:48 rhcl One of those things which never made it to the status of a post-nominal
17:50 rhcl At one point I had completely memorized the "Masque of the Red Death", now only bits and pieces.
17:51 Oak night guys
17:51 rhcl later Oak
18:04 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 1623] Retain history of approved comments <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1623>
18:04 wizzyrea I need feedback on bug 7271
18:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7271 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Change sort on detail.pl to be by home library instead of holding branch
18:04 wizzyrea any other ideas are welcome as well
18:07 sekjal wizzyrea: better to do the sorting as late in the game as possible, so it's easier to sort differently on different pages (or based on library prefs)
18:08 wizzyrea right - I was concerned about performance though
18:08 wizzyrea sql sort > tablesorter?
18:08 jcamins In terms of performance, much better.
18:08 wizzyrea yea that's what I was worried about :/
18:08 wizzyrea and
18:09 wizzyrea the patch for 6600 changed the default sort
18:09 jcamins In terms of customizeability, I don't see any reason not to change the default sort back to what it was. This isn't a new feature.
18:09 wizzyrea a pseudo-regression, but not really
18:10 wizzyrea i mean, i'm taking quote 123 into account here - I understand that it might be only my libraries that want this sort
18:10 oleonard More unintended consequences
18:10 wizzyrea but - the home branch sort does have a certain kind of charm.
18:11 jcamins wizzyrea: but if the sort always used to be home branch with no options, I don't see how you're losing anything.
18:35 rhcl oleonard++ (Comments Bug 1623
18:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1623 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Retain history of approved comments
18:35 rhcl )
18:38 cait yep
18:38 cait oleonard++
18:44 rangi morning
18:44 cait good morning :)
18:46 rhcl rangi
18:50 chris_n hi rangi
18:51 cait hi chris_n :)
18:51 chris_n hey cait
18:53 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:53 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.9�C (7:49 PM CET on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Steady).
18:53 cait @quote random
18:53 huginn cait: Quote #140: "<oleonard> That's why I'm the only one with a flying car. I just didn't figure anyone else would be interested." (added by gmcharlt at 12:39 PM, June 03, 2011)
18:54 chris_n @wunder 28334
18:54 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 18.0�C (1:35 PM EST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
18:54 cait that's a lot nicr
18:54 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:54 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 29, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
18:54 chris_n its actually full-blown rain here
18:57 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
18:57 huginn slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 12.2�C (6:55 PM GMT on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
18:57 slef Light??? Rain
18:57 * slef goes to dry out
19:00 maximep @wunder yul
19:01 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 7.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
19:01 maximep not raining here for what seems like forever =)
19:01 jcamins @wunder 11375
19:01 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 18.7�C (1:56 PM EST on November 28, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady).
19:01 maximep *for first time in forever
19:15 jcamins cait: what's the abbreviation for the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin?
19:15 cait stabi I think
19:15 cait or the official? :)
19:15 jcamins Thanks.
19:16 jcamins If there's an official one, that's even better.
19:16 cait I can look for one
19:16 cait apparently they call their opac stabikat :)
19:17 jcamins Hm. So Stabi probably is the official. Thanks. :)
19:17 cait SBB
19:18 jcamins Ah! Thanks.
19:18 cait jcamins: looks like SBB
19:18 cait http://stabikat.de/CHARSET=ISO-8859-1/DB=1/LNG=DU/CMD?ACT=SRCHA&IKT=1016&SRT=YOP&TRM=sbb
19:19 cait yeah, that looks right
19:19 jcamins Thanks.
19:19 jcamins That takes up much less space than "Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin."
19:19 jcamins And is much easier to type. ;)
19:20 * cait thinks that is not a long name for a German library
19:20 jcamins No, but it takes up a lot more space than "LC" and "BL."
19:20 jcamins :P
19:22 chris_n 2.2.9 windoz version... wow...
19:22 chris_n that's a real antique
19:23 rangi yup
19:25 * jcamins responded.
19:25 cait jcamins++
19:25 jcamins "Sorry, you're basically SOL."
19:25 cait SOL?
19:26 cait oh
19:26 cait got it
19:26 jcamins :)
19:27 oleonard Personally I'm fond of the request for step by step screenshots or video in lecture form on how to integrate EBSCO, open access databases through pazpar2
19:27 rangi heh
19:27 cait lol
19:27 oleonard I'm surprised no one has whipped that up
19:27 rangi i did
19:27 rangi but im refilming in 3D
19:27 oleonard :D
19:28 chris_n lol
19:28 jcamins oleonard: he signed onto IRC for five minutes to request that we provide him the step-by-step screenshots too.
19:29 cait lol
19:30 jcamins We tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, and convince ourselves it was a language issue, but indradg said that it wasn't so much a language issue as a belief that open source developers can be browbeaten into providing unlimited free support. It was a valiant effort on our parts, though. :)
19:31 jcamins This Russian journal from the twenties has a humor page. I don't get it.
19:31 oleonard You'd have to browbeat me pretty severely for me to throw together a video in lecture form
19:31 cait lol
19:32 cait sorry, imagining it makes me laugh
19:32 jcamins If the browbeating involved a check for *a lot*, I could be pursuaded.
19:32 * cait goes back to her bug
19:32 indradg jcamins, we seem to be being hit by the "2.2.9 bug" from India :P
19:33 jcamins 2.2.9 was a good vintage.
19:33 jcamins And it's not quite old enough to drink.
19:34 jcamins Yet.
19:34 jcamins Right?
19:34 indradg and unfortunately folks at DelNet think that 2.2.9 on windows is their way to library nirvana in india :P
19:34 wizzyrea oh my.
19:34 jcamins Oh dear.
19:35 jcamins Well, I'm glad they decided to go open source, anyway.
19:35 oleonard It may be, as long as they're providing support and patches
19:35 indradg just saw a post on koha-user asking for barcodes on 2.2.9
19:37 jcamins oleonard: I'm betting they're not.
19:38 indradg jcamins, good luck! now the queries will hit you directly instead of the m/l
19:39 jcamins indradg: I considered that, and decided it's easy enough to say "please respond to the mailing list, I will delete all private communication going forward."
19:40 jcamins And then set up a filter doing that.
20:30 oleonard See you later #koha
20:47 rangi right im off home
20:47 rangi chicken pox in the hizzouse
20:47 magnuse ouch?
20:48 rangi yeah if the operation wasnt enough, atarau now has chicken pox
20:48 wizzyrea oh my gracious!
20:48 wizzyrea poor little thing!
20:48 cait :(
20:48 wizzyrea :(
20:48 rangi wizzyrea: we already had to wash the bear
20:48 magnuse here's hoping he gets well real soon!
20:48 rangi after he tried to feed it cheerios
20:48 wizzyrea lol :D
20:48 magnuse hehe
20:48 wizzyrea i'm so glad he likes it ^.^
20:48 rangi ok spotyas later
20:48 cait :)
20:49 magnuse g'night #koha
20:50 cait now he was faster - g'night #koha
21:44 wizzyrea gracious, like rats on the titanic
21:44 wizzyrea :P
21:48 rhcl ?
21:48 rhcl subject - verb - direct object format?
21:50 wizzyrea so many people left all at once
21:56 rhcl ah
22:40 Judit hi
22:40 wahanui what's up, Judit
22:40 wizzyrea hi judit
22:41 Judit hi rea
22:41 Judit how are you
22:41 wizzyrea i am well :)
22:41 wizzyrea how about you?
22:41 Judit the rain is gone, sunshine is here
22:41 Judit so i am happy
22:41 wizzyrea woohoo!
22:42 Judit :)
22:42 Judit bike time too
22:46 ibeardslee rangi: or anyone else .. any further updates on the trademark 'process'?
22:46 wizzyrea rangi is away with a sick kiddo today.
22:46 wizzyrea or at least he was.
22:46 ibeardslee oh yeah that's right
22:47 wizzyrea but to answer your question, I have not heard anything new
22:47 wizzyrea but I'm not really in the sekkrit club that knows stuff. ;)
22:49 rangi we have one of those?
22:49 wizzyrea he arises!
22:50 rangi http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/51409-koha-trademark-top-lawyer-says-trust-has-stronger-case
22:51 rangi http://www.librarian.net/stax/3744/trademark-battles-koha-liblime-us-new-zealand/
22:51 rangi those came through in my feed reader today
22:52 Brooke o/
22:52 wizzyrea whaddup :)
22:52 rangi hi Brooke
22:52 Brooke :D
22:53 eythian I see mtj gets a passing shout out in that first one
22:53 rangi yup, sounds like he has a strong case
22:57 wizzyrea any opinions about this http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7271 (and the patch that's there)
22:57 huginn 04Bug 7271: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Change sort on detail.pl to be by home library instead of holding branch
22:58 rangi its putting it back the way it used to be eh?
22:58 wizzyrea well not exactly
22:58 wizzyrea the way it used to work anyway
22:58 wizzyrea I believe I preserved the thing that 6600 was trying to fix
22:58 rangi right
22:59 rangi im gonna be annoying and say, maybe the sort should be sysprefable
22:59 wizzyrea it probably should be
22:59 wizzyrea :)
22:59 rangi :)
23:00 rangi but if im gonna say that, i should step up and do it
23:00 wizzyrea gaga
23:00 wizzyrea crazy hat and all
23:00 Brooke rangi++
23:00 wizzyrea no, I mean haha
23:00 rangi reverting to previous sort order seems ok to me
23:00 rangi id have put that as the bug name too, cos it soounds more betterer hehe
23:00 wizzyrea the way in which it's done is ok?
23:01 wizzyrea lol ok
23:01 Brooke Mebbe get a little place in Strongbadia?
23:01 wizzyrea there betterer?
23:02 Brooke eythian?
23:02 wahanui eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence
23:02 eythian Brooke?
23:02 wahanui I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag.
23:02 * wizzyrea slaps wahanui
23:02 Brooke wahanhui eythian is also brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin
23:02 wizzyrea brooke is not a ratbag.
23:02 Brooke heh it's funny as, keep it!
23:02 rangi wizzyrea: yep seems ok to me
23:02 wizzyrea brooke?
23:02 wahanui I'M TAKING THE PISS OUT OF 'EM. or a ratbag.
23:02 wizzyrea see, still a ratbag.
23:03 wizzyrea oh I wasn't going to change it
23:03 Brooke once a ratbag, always a ratbag.
23:03 wizzyrea but I do like slapping wahanui about
23:03 wizzyrea ok
23:03 wizzyrea hometime
23:03 wizzyrea gotta go
23:03 Brooke you mean smeking, yes?
23:03 wizzyrea right
23:03 wizzyrea smecking
23:03 wizzyrea with my fush and chups.
23:03 Brooke hehehehh
23:03 Brooke speak proper english!
23:06 Brooke @later tell oak I will totally help you with your project. Send it to me via email.
23:06 huginn Brooke: The operation succeeded.
23:22 Judit uh
23:22 Judit i wanted to ask something
23:22 Judit what was it
23:22 Judit yes
23:22 Judit i am trying to help a friend to set up the first koha on hungary
23:23 Judit and all looks ok, but i added a hungarian z39.50 server
23:23 * Brooke shakes the magic 8 ball
23:23 Judit and after a search
23:23 Brooke you have to reset the daemon?
23:23 Judit hang on:)
23:24 Judit so the charaters are all gone weird
23:24 * Brooke shakes the ball again
23:24 Judit we have many special charaters like üóéáúű
23:24 Brooke Encoding is a bitch.
23:24 Judit and they all com up like#$%$^
23:25 Judit that is in the search, but also after the import into koha
23:25 Judit even though i select utf 8
23:26 Brooke okay
23:26 Brooke check the tabby thing labeled i18nl10n
23:26 Brooke Home > Administration > System Prefs
23:28 Judit which tab is that on....
23:28 Judit :)
23:28 Judit oh
23:28 Judit i found it
23:29 Brooke and unless your friend is Agnes Imecs, might not be the first Library in Hungary.
23:29 Brooke so in theory someone knows how to fiddle with this a lot better than me.
23:29 Judit okay
23:29 Judit just a sec
23:30 Brooke also, the interwebs is whispering that there's a cage match between ISO Latin 2 and UTF 8 for proper display
23:33 Judit hm who is AGnes Imecs
23:33 Judit yeah, i know, google is my friend:)
23:33 Brooke in theory, someone that did a bit of Hu translate work back before the swap of the decade ;)
23:33 Brooke that too
23:36 Brooke another thing to do
23:36 Brooke would be to visit http://translate.koha-community.org/hu/
23:36 Brooke and stalk the folks that aren't you.
23:37 Judit what is wrong with me?:)
23:37 * Brooke shakes the magic 8 ball.
23:37 Judit what if i want to stalk myself<
23:37 Brooke Tell me about your mother?
23:37 Judit :D
23:43 rhcl_away u 2 are funny