Time  Nick         Message
00:02 Phlunk3      both rangi , sorry for late reply got calls
00:03 rangi        right
00:03 rangi        then yeah the usual, as fast as cpu and as much ram as you can afford
00:03 rangi        cos running X uses a lot of both cpu and ram
00:03 rangi        well x doesnt
00:04 rangi        but all the stuff on top of it does ;)
00:04 Phlunk3      thanks mate, doing this on the cheap as they will be gifted to the fijian town councils as an introduction to the system.
00:04 rangi        yup
00:04 rangi        you want to do it not too cheap
00:04 rangi        or you will be doing them a disservice
00:04 Phlunk3      indeed
00:04 rangi        thats the balancing act
00:05 ibeardslee   I sort of do think it worthwhile running the server on a separate machine. helps the idea that koha itself doesn't have to be installed on each workstation.
00:06 ibeardslee   also helps show people checking out books on a different workstation etc
00:07 ibeardslee   but does mean the added work of having a hub/switch and setting up the neworking
00:08 rangi        yeah maybe phase 2
00:08 Phlunk3      yeah ibeardslee however this way we're able to set it all up here, I spent 2 days walking an "it officer" through the installation process, only to realise he didnt know how to even copy paste commands :P
00:09 Phlunk3      they have a real server there now, sort of, had to have him install a gui on ubuntu so I could remote session through a program because he didnt know how to open a port on his router so that I could ssh lol
00:09 rangi        we should send ibeardslee to fiji to set it up :)
00:10 Phlunk3      if you're willing to sponsor a community member then please let me know ;) we have a librarian heading over at the beginning of December to introduce them to the system also.
00:31 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7238] The SIPconfig.xml is stored in the C4/SIP dir <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7238>
00:46 Brooke       o/
00:58 Brooke       homie g. Whaddup?
00:59 rhcl_away    I'm away
01:00 rhcl_away    ?
01:06 rangi        hiya Brooke
01:06 Brooke       morena
01:33 dani         :( Missed Brooke
03:02 Brooke       o/
03:02 rangi        wb Brooke
03:02 Brooke       :)
03:19 Judit        HI
03:19 Brooke       hi Judit.
03:22 AmitG        heya chris
03:22 AmitG        :D
03:23 Brooke       hi Amit
03:24 dani         Heya Brooke!
03:25 dani         Brooke: I did the job hop thing this week.
03:25 Brooke       howdy m'am
03:25 Brooke       awesome!
03:25 AmitG        heya Brooke, dani
03:27 dani         Hi AmitG!
03:35 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7239] Acquisitions basket, add order to basket, from new, Source of classification or shelving scheme being blank caused internal error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7239>
03:38 rangi        rangi?
03:38 wahanui      I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
04:00 Brooke       namaskar
04:48 Irma         Hi all
04:49 Irma         can anyone give me the link to the recommended server specs for a Koha implementation ....? I can't find this info yet thought it was in the Koha Manual...
06:13 cait         good morning #koha
06:14 cait         @wunder Konstanz
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06:14 jransom      morning Cait
06:17 cait         hi jo
06:17 Judit        hi
06:28 cait         hi Judit
06:33 cait         hi kmkale
06:37 Oak          oh hello miss cait :)
06:37 cait         hi mr oak :)
06:38 Oak          how are we today?
06:39 Oak          leaving for work?
07:05 cait         Oak: yes, soon
07:05 cait         Oak: how are you today? relaxing after oyur exams?
07:05 cait         @wunder Konstanz
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07:14 cait         morning magnuse
07:15 Oak          well, not relaxing. on work. but yes, kind of relaxing. anything other than exams is relaxing.
07:16 Oak          too many 'relaxing's above
07:16 magnuse      morning cait and Oak
07:16 Oak          magnuse
07:16 magnuse      Oak
07:16 Oak          got a light?
07:17 magnuse      i can find one?
07:17 Oak          never mind. i don't smoke.
07:19 cait         ?
07:19 Oak          i really should not quit my day job.
07:52 reiveune     hello
08:29 Schwitzd     Hello to everybody!
08:29 rangi        hi Schwitzd
08:29 Schwitzd     I have a question reguarding the book retourning
08:29 kf           hi #koha
08:30 Schwitzd     For example
08:30 magnuse      hi kf rangi Schwitzd
08:30 Schwitzd     magnuse: ciao!
08:30 kf           god morgen magnuse :)
08:30 Schwitzd     How I can enable to send an email if the reservation is overdate?
08:30 kf           you mean if the patron has not picked it up?
08:30 kf           in time?
08:31 kf           or when the hold is placed in the pickup area for the patron?
08:31 Schwitzd     if the patron don't retourn the book
08:31 Schwitzd     I set the patron can reserve the book for 20 days
08:31 Schwitzd     if don't retorn the book in this date I want to send to parton an email
08:32 Schwitzd     "your reservation is over date please retourn the book...."
08:32 kf           rangi++
08:32 kf           ah
08:32 kf           I think you mean: checked out books that get overdue
08:33 Schwitzd     yes
08:33 kf           http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/noticetriggers.html
08:34 kf           http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/notices.html
08:34 kf           http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/cronjobsch.html
08:34 kf           what you need to do is, configure an overdue notice and configure the cronjob
08:34 kf           depending on the time schedule you want to use, you will also need to set up your notice triggers
08:40 Schwitzd     oky
08:41 Schwitzd     the /process_message_queue.pl there is the cronjob
08:41 kf           you also need the overdues cronjob
08:41 kf           it prepares the mails, process_message_queue sends them out
08:43 Schwitzd     is this one overdue_notices.pl, right?
08:44 kf           yes
08:45 paul_p       hello everybody & good morning European ppl !
08:45 kf           good morning Paul :)
08:47 magnuse      kia ora paul_p
09:00 francharb    morning #koha
09:00 kf           hi francharb
09:03 magnuse      hiya francharb
09:03 francharb    hi kf, magnuse !
09:07 Schwitzd     kf: oky
09:07 Schwitzd     now my problem is the email is not generated...
09:07 Schwitzd     I have a overdue for one one user
09:07 Schwitzd     but the overdue_notices.pl don't generate the mail
09:10 kf           how long is it overdue?
09:10 kf           which parameters are you using for your overdue_notices pl?
09:11 Schwitzd     nothing
09:11 Schwitzd     the overdue is 21 days
09:11 Schwitzd     and no parameters
09:11 kf           yeah
09:11 kf           you have tot ell it what to do
09:11 kf           do you have a notice configured?
09:12 Schwitzd     yes
09:12 kf           and notice triggers?
09:12 Schwitzd     yes
09:12 kf           ok
09:12 kf           try starting with -t
09:12 Schwitzd     no output
09:12 Schwitzd     the is a verbose mode?
09:13 kf           I think there is
09:13 kf           try -h to see the options
09:14 kf           it's pretty good documented
09:14 kf           altough the script is doing too many things
09:14 kf           where do you check if the notice was generated?
09:14 kf           and where are you from Schwitzd?
09:15 Schwitzd     on the db
09:15 Schwitzd     message_queue table
09:15 kf           message_queue
09:15 kf           right
09:15 kf           ah
09:15 kf           if you use notice triggers
09:16 kf           and the thing is 21 days overdue
09:16 kf           you have to have one that has delay  21
09:16 kf           it's only sending out notices on the exact day
09:16 kf           not in the range of days
09:16 kf           you can do that too, but without -t then
09:16 kf           using other options
09:18 Schwitzd     I give you some print screen
09:19 kf           I was wondering abut your nick - where are you located?
09:20 Schwitzd     Switzerland
09:20 kf           ah
09:20 kf           Sprichst du deutsch?
09:20 Schwitzd     no :)
09:20 Schwitzd     south of switzerland tessin
09:21 kf           ah, I am from Konstanz
09:21 Schwitzd     :)
09:26 Schwitzd     kf: http://imageshack.us/f/39/overdue.png/
09:27 kf           when your item is 21 days overdue, and your delays are 1 3 5
09:27 kf           no notice will be generated
09:27 kf           it's too overdue
09:27 kf           try setting your third to 21
09:27 kf           to see what I mean
09:27 Schwitzd     http://imageshack.us/f/254/issues.png/
09:27 kf           when using -t it will only go out on the exact date
09:27 kf           and I recommend studying the documention for the cronjob :)
09:27 kf           most information is in there
09:28 Schwitzd     I read the documentation
09:28 Schwitzd     also in one book
09:28 Schwitzd     but I don't now why the mail is not generated :S
09:28 kf           I mean look at the source code for the job
09:28 kf           to see the different options available
09:29 kf           because your overdue doesn't match the criteria
09:29 kf           for generating a notice
09:29 kf           with the configuration you use right now
09:32 Schwitzd     kf: what I don't have understood is
09:32 Schwitzd     the duedate for the book is 17.11 (today)
09:33 kf           ah
09:33 kf           yeah, not overdue at all then
09:33 kf           first notice you can send out is tomorrow
09:33 kf           what you can send out now is a due notice
09:33 kf           and that is controlled by the enhmessaging system preference and the preferences set in the patron's account
09:33 kf           and you need a due notice... sorry, I missed that before :(
09:34 Schwitzd     wait I want to do a test
09:34 Schwitzd     i set the duedate yesterday for this book
09:35 Schwitzd     (is a test enviroment) :P
09:40 kf           ah, there is also another factor
09:40 wahanui      okay, kf.
09:41 kf           hm. or no, that should work
09:41 kf           delay = 1, date_due yesterday, overdue_notice with -t
09:43 Schwitzd     \o/
09:43 Schwitzd     is working!!!
09:43 kf           yay!
09:43 kf           very cool :)
09:43 kf           another thing that is useful to know:
09:44 kf           if you have more than one book overdue for the patron
09:44 kf           it will only look at the oldest due date
09:44 kf           we have a bug open for that, but sadly it didn't make it in yet
09:44 Schwitzd     ok
09:44 Schwitzd     but I don't think is my case
09:44 Schwitzd     is a little company library
09:44 Schwitzd     :)
09:45 kf           :)
09:47 Schwitzd     kf: thanks a lot for your help!
09:47 kf           you are welcome .)
09:49 rangi        kf++
09:50 Schwitzd     kf: Use of uninitialized value $fine in string at /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl line 673.
09:50 Schwitzd     now I have this message when I start the script
09:51 magnuse      kf++
09:52 Schwitzd     but is working
09:55 kf           ah
09:55 kf           yes
09:55 kf           I always get that
09:55 Schwitzd     oky :)
09:55 kf           I think it's something we should fix... but you can ingore it
09:56 kf           you can output the fine for an item in the notice
09:56 kf           I think if there is no fine, it produces this warning
09:59 Schwitzd     ok
10:11 kf           @wunder Konstanz
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10:31 magnuse      @wunder boo
10:31 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (11:20 AM CET on November 17, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
11:46 kf           @wunder Konstanz
11:46 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.2�C (12:40 PM CET on November 17, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Rising).
13:18 NateC        Hello #koha!
13:21 oleonard     Hello #koha too!
13:31 JesseM       Morning #Koha
13:41 kf           hi JesseM :)
14:18 oleonard     sekjal, NateC, etc: Is ByWater involved in FulfILLment testing?
14:19 sekjal       morning, oleonard.  no, not at this time
14:20 * oleonard   supposes since Equinox is a Koha provider they have their own resources for testing
14:20 JesseM       Hey kf!
14:21 kf           hey :)
14:21 kf           and hi oleonard and sekjal :)
14:23 oleonard     We're dealing with annoying bugs in the current state-wide ILL system and are told that they'll either upgrade VDX or switch to FulfILLment in January
14:24 oleonard     ...but I hate being in the dark about the testing process
14:26 jcamins_away oleonard: testing? Why would you want that?
14:26 oleonard     I know, where's my spirit of fun and surprise?
14:26 jcamins      Next you'll be telling us that library patrons should be able to easily get books from other libraries in the state!
14:27 oleonard     Far be it from me to think that the first public library in Ohio should be in on testing an open source ILL system that is supposed to connect to Koha
14:27 oleonard     first Koha public library that is
14:29 kf           and hi jcamins :)
14:30 oleonard     Oh no, new Twilight saga movie premieres tonight and I'm out of sparkles!
14:32 jcamins      oleonard: silly oleonard! :)
14:32 * oleonard   is just a poor planner all around
14:32 jcamins      kf: good morning.
14:35 kf           lol
14:35 kf           oleonard++ :)
14:37 magnuse      i was talking to someone a while ago about maybe having a live irc qa session with someone close to the fullfillment development...
14:37 magnuse      get a little demo, get answers to koha-related questions, perhaps...
14:37 kf           sounds like a good idea
14:38 magnuse      shouldn't be too hard to make that real
14:38 magnuse      "how hard can it be?" ;-)
14:39 magnuse      got a plane to catch - see ya's!
14:42 * oleonard   sees bshum, moodaepo, and phasefx in the #fulfillment channel on freenode
14:42 oleonard     ...but everyone's just lurking
15:03 oleonard     ...kinda like in here...
15:04 jcamins      oleonard: this is IRC. There's a several decade tradition of lurking. ;)
15:05 chris_n      @wunder 28334
15:05 huginn       chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 12.4�C (10:02 AM EST on November 17, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.47 in 997.9 hPa (Steady).
15:07 wizzyrea     kansas is going to be testing fulfillment too
15:08 oleonard     Heard anything about the process wizzyrea?
15:08 wizzyrea     @quote add jcamins: this is IRC. There's a several decade long tradition of lurking.
15:08 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #166 added.
15:08 wizzyrea     for fulfillment? I haven't heard a whole lot about it no
15:09 wizzyrea     NEKLS is supposedly going to be involved with it somehow (as we're the biggest of the regional koha consortia
15:09 wizzyrea     kansas* regional koha consortia
15:09 rhcl_away    The evergreen channel is pretty busy
15:10 * oleonard   wonders how a library called "Evergreen Community Library" can not be on Evergreen. http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=22861
15:10 oleonard     They should get a complimentary installation
15:14 maximep      hey guys, when I do a search in the OPAC for something that has only 1 item and it's notforloan, with XSLT it says copies available
15:15 maximep      with XSLT off it says No items available
15:15 maximep      is that a bug that the behavior is different?
15:18 wizzyrea     well, it *is* available
15:18 wizzyrea     you just can't check it out
15:20 maximep      hmmm right, it says available for reference now
15:20 wizzyrea     it's probably a bug that it's different, but getting people to agree on what it should say
15:20 wizzyrea     would be the hard part lol
15:20 wizzyrea     available for reference is probably what you want it to say
15:20 wizzyrea     makes sense to me anyway
15:21 maximep      xslt caching is killing me :/
15:22 jcamins      maximep: XSLT caching?
15:22 wahanui      somebody said XSLT caching was killing me :/
15:22 oleonard     wahanui's memory is impeccable.
15:22 maximep      haha
15:22 jcamins      wahanui: forget XSLT caching
15:22 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot xslt caching
15:22 maximep      yeah, looking at the code the variable stylesheet of XSLTParse4Display is global
15:23 maximep      so it seems it's only parsing 1 time for pages
15:23 rhcl         hey, this is cool: "Ducks Unlimited Canada Now Live On Koha"  http://www.esilibrary.com/esi/newsitem.php?id=2176  - just now noticed it
15:23 wizzyrea     well also, there's a certain delay between when you change something and it gets reflected in the index
15:23 maximep      i seem to have bugs with that
15:23 rhcl         talking about a koha connector for fullfilment on the fullfilment channel right now
15:24 maximep      probably because were using mod_perl
15:24 jcamins      maximep: you're using mod_perl? I thought Koha still had too many leaks for mod_perl.
15:24 maximep      were using it for the opac only
15:24 maximep      intranet is completly unusable with it
15:25 wizzyrea     good thing you're keeping all of your work on that to yourself.
15:25 maximep      we have no work on that :S
15:25 maximep      only sysadmin configs
15:28 kf           I think several people have been experimenting with mod_perl
15:28 maximep      i guess we could share our config if anyone would like to test it
15:28 kf           rangi and I think sekjal
15:28 kf           perhaps worth to discuss it on a meeting sometime
15:28 wizzyrea     it wouldn't hurt to slap it up on the wiki
15:30 wizzyrea     hm, this is a very trivial thing - but if you are adding a guaranteed child to an adult
15:30 wizzyrea     and koha says "I think there is a dupe here" and you resubmit the child form
15:30 wizzyrea     it duplicates the guarantee record
15:30 kf           oh
15:31 wizzyrea     but the child patron isn't duplicated
15:31 wizzyrea     just the guarantee record
15:31 kf           word--
15:43 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7134] patron records getting funny birthdays <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7134>
15:44 sekjal       kf:  yes, i've been playing with mod_perl
15:45 sekjal       using ModPerl::PerlRun, I can get a pretty good performance boost without needing to alter any of Koha's code
15:45 wizzyrea     i'll try to get at 7134
15:45 sekjal       to get the faster, more persistent module, though, will require some work
15:45 sekjal       thanks, wizzyrea!
15:48 maximep      it's working fine for us on the opac, in production, but were not using xslt and only have 1 language enabled
15:48 wizzyrea     i'm also looking at 2830
15:51 kf           sekjal: I only mentioned yourname in hope that you and maximep can start talking about it :)
15:55 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: updating history.txt : 3.6.0 & 3.4.6 & KohaCon11 & Joy Nelson 160th <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2216cd4371a72d95491dc51455d1ae7a6c783147> / Bug 7221: C4/Biblio.pm documentation is incorrect. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d0192b85ceabca3dbb0add7df218a4d768ea104>
15:57 jenkins_koha Starting build 524 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 29 j ago)
16:00 maximep      correction, we seem to use ModPerl::PerlRunPrefork
16:05 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6321 Add a 1/4 months frequency <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bada2e4c36f3e6ec163e5f53e4e4c9d1c9f0dd6f>
16:06 mib_pze7v0   hi people :)
16:07 oleonard     Hi mib_pze7v0 , you have an unusual name
16:07 vfernandes   hi ppl
16:07 vfernandes   what we should see consulting logs of periodicals? mine is showing nothing :/
16:15 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7079: [SIGNED-OFF] Default values for German system preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1d824deaa65f0a64071e6925ae2238beb0a0912> / Make all strings translatable in marc21_field_007.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fde30912ec89c8855a7b4d468f5e48e7b886e85> / Bug 6916 - item's acq date now takes you to its invoice <http://git.koha-community.org/g
16:15 vfernandes   no one?
16:17 maximep      sorry, but what page is logs of periodicals?
16:18 vfernandes   browse system logs in the tools
16:19 vfernandes   then choose Serial
16:22 maximep      is the preference SUbscriptionLog enabled ?
16:23 vfernandes   yes...
16:23 maximep      hmmmm
16:24 maximep      i'm not really good at the helping others it seems haha
16:24 vfernandes   when adding a new subscription and receive serials it should log
16:24 trea         wizzyrea++. just sayin'
16:25 maximep      do have have access to the db to look at action_logs and see if there's stuff from the periodicals module ?
16:28 vfernandes   yes i have... let me see
16:35 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7084 - Re-arranging results_summary for tags so that it applies where it is suppo... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d42be9e7670a3489be681494a8b782c855d52fb>
16:35 wizzyrea     YAY
16:36 wizzyrea     \o\  /o/  \o\ /o/
16:40 kf           wizzyrea++ :)
16:40 wizzyrea     thank you but that was really a trivial one. I have to do a dance every time I get a patch in ^.^
16:41 wizzyrea     kf++ for underappreciated hard work
16:41 kf           hmmm
16:42 kf           wizzyrea: oh thx
16:42 kf           I have been lazy lately
16:42 wizzyrea     always good to have a short lazy time just after a major release, imo.
16:43 kf           and trying to finish my learning perl book finally
16:43 kf           hmm.
16:43 kf           should I mark bug 7079 as bug?
16:43 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7079 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Default values for German system preferences (web installer)
16:43 kf           @eightball
16:43 huginn       kf: You're kidding, right?
16:43 kf           @eightball
16:43 huginn       kf: The outlook is poor.
16:44 kf           huginn: you are mean
16:44 huginn       kf: I've exhausted my database of quotes
16:44 wizzyrea     all right... back to my testing
16:44 kf           wizzyrea++
16:44 kf           wizzyrea: which version is nekls on right now?
16:45 wizzyrea     3.5.11, going to 3.6.0 this weekend
16:45 kf           oh wow
16:45 wizzyrea     wow is right ;)
16:45 kf           I have been configuring our test database for 3.6 today :)
16:45 kf           hope to go there soon with our new libraries
16:45 kf           we have a smaller library that I want to start on 3.6
16:45 kf           I found the birth date issue
16:45 wizzyrea     3.6.1 will probably be supergood.
16:46 wizzyrea     *nod* ohhhh that's a good point
16:46 kf           and the DUE notices show unknown for me - bug in german sql files
16:46 kf           so far nothing else
16:46 wizzyrea     I wonder if that would be enough to stop our 3.6 update
16:46 * wizzyrea   ponders
16:46 wizzyrea     it's only if the birthdate is null?
16:46 kf           hm it doesn't break thing
16:46 kf           yep
16:46 kf           afaik
16:46 kf           if you don't fill it out
16:46 kf           it will put in something werid
16:46 wizzyrea     we require it
16:46 wizzyrea     you can't leave it blank
16:46 kf           ian has uploaded a patch for it today
16:46 wizzyrea     *nod*
16:46 wizzyrea     but we're not going that far >.>
16:47 kf           wizzyrea: perhaps you can share your findings? or doing everything on bugzilla anyway?
16:47 wizzyrea     we haven't found anything in testing
16:47 wizzyrea     all of the major stuff works just fine
16:47 wizzyrea     just the usual "oh this could be refined"
16:47 wizzyrea     sort of thing
16:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #524: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/524/
16:47 jenkins_koha * joy: Bug 7221: C4/Biblio.pm documentation is incorrect.
16:47 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: updating history.txt : 3.6.0 & 3.4.6 & KohaCon11 & Joy Nelson 160th
16:47 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7221 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, joy, ASSIGNED , DelBiblio POD is incorrect
16:47 jenkins_koha Starting build 525 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 29 j ago)
16:49 kf           wizzyrea: for me that is mostly translation :)
16:49 kf           but most of it easy to fix
16:49 kf           only tirening
16:49 kf           the - 'oh needs refining' things :)
16:50 wizzyrea     right :)
16:50 wizzyrea     kf++ for unending work on translations
16:51 * kf         blushes
16:52 rhcl         is jcamins working on a translation for Old Church Slavonic?
16:53 kf           might be
16:56 wizzyrea     hi NCARLibrary
16:56 kf           hi NCARLibrary and bye #koha :)
16:59 NCARLibrary  hi!
17:00 NCARLibrary  I'm getting a nasty "Software error"...
17:00 wizzyrea     shoot
17:00 NCARLibrary  I'm messing around with Patron Import tool.
17:01 wizzyrea     what's the error
17:01 NCARLibrary  imported a test file with 6 patrons.  some were already in there and so did not load (good!).
17:01 NCARLibrary  some DID load, but when i search on those names in Patron search, I get this...
17:02 NCARLibrary  "Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /var/koha/sites/ucar/dev/members/member.pl line 130."
17:02 wizzyrea     hm what did your import file look like?
17:02 NCARLibrary  (standby)
17:03 wizzyrea     uh, anonymized please
17:03 wizzyrea     :)
17:05 NCARLibrary  should i anonymize and share the file w/you?
17:05 wizzyrea     you can probably just paste the entire contents into a pastebin, once it's anonymized
17:05 NCARLibrary  ok
17:09 NCARLibrary  http://paste.koha-community.org/123
17:11 oleonard     I wonder why some things listed in debian.packages would not get installed the first time around
17:14 NCARLibrary  did that come through okay, wiz?
17:21 cait         good evening #koha
17:25 rhcl         morning #cait
17:25 rangi        hi cait, hi all
17:26 cait         hi rangi, hi rhcl :)
17:26 * wizzyrea   was not looking sorry ^.^ will look now
17:26 * cait       wonders if rhcl knows about her secred identity
17:27 * magnuse    waves from the train
17:27 cait         hi magnuse :)
17:27 cait         all going as planned so far?
17:28 magnuse      yup
17:29 magnuse      the ordinary train was delayed, so i'm on the faster but more expensive airport train
17:30 wizzyrea     I don't see anything particularly out of the ordinary - i'm not familiar with how the borrower attributes are defined so I'm not sure about the syntax there
17:32 NCARLibrary  okay, well, i'll send an email to galen and see what he thinks.
17:33 NCARLibrary  Thanks for looking.
17:34 cait         magnuse: :)
17:34 cait         when will you arrive?
17:34 wizzyrea     you get that when you search any patron or only the ones that you imported?
17:35 NCARLibrary  only the ones that successfully imported.
17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #525: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/525/
17:36 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6321 Add a 1/4 months frequency
17:36 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6916 - item's acq date now takes you to its invoice
17:36 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Make all strings translatable in marc21_field_007.tt
17:36 mtj          morena #Koha
17:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7079: [SIGNED-OFF] Default values for German system preferences
17:36 jenkins_koha * lrea: Bug 7084 - Re-arranging results_summary for tags so that it applies where it is supposed to
17:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6321 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Add a 1/4 month frequency
17:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6916 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Selecting the acq date of an item should take you to the invoice page for it
17:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7079 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Default values for German system preferences (web installer)
17:36 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7084 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , New Tag on results display missing results_summary class, causing display inconsistency
17:36 * mtj        waves from nz
17:36 rangi        heya mtj
17:36 rangi        welcome home
17:37 rangi        also
17:37 rangi        http://stephenslighthouse.com/2011/11/17/sexiest-librarian-alive/
17:37 cait         hi mtj :)
17:37 wizzyrea     ^ that link is wtf.
17:37 rangi        from the man who brought you the whitepaper on OSS ILS
17:37 rangi        we have another gem
17:37 * wizzyrea   sighs heavily
17:40 mtj          ah cheers chris, thats classic
17:41 mtj          ... and a classic response, and follow-up too
17:41 rangi        yep
17:41 rangi        typical
17:41 cait         hm?
17:41 rangi        exactly what he did with the OSS FUD
17:41 rangi        (the comments)
17:41 cait         oh comments
17:41 wahanui      comments are turned on
17:41 rangi        maybe finally ppl will stop listening to him
17:42 rangi        but i doubt it
17:42 cait         wahanui botsnack chocolate tea
17:42 wahanui      :)
17:42 wizzyrea     chocolate tea?
17:42 cait         yep
17:42 cait         chocolate yogi tea
17:42 cait         yumyumyum
17:42 * wizzyrea   wants to know the secret of the "chocolate tea
17:42 cait         not much of a secret :)
17:43 * Oak        says hi
17:44 cait         wizzyrea: google it :) lots of hits. I by mine in a fair trade shop here
17:44 cait         buy
17:44 wizzyrea     "only an idiot would support that" way to belittle people.
17:44 rangi        yes
17:44 wizzyrea     good job, A+
17:44 wizzyrea     <eyeroll>
17:44 cait         the comments don't open for me
17:44 cait         obo
17:44 rangi        he never lets a comment stand either, leaves it in moderation
17:44 cait         boo
17:44 rangi        then posts it and his response at the same time
17:44 rangi        it is his blog, but still .. dick move
17:46 rangi        in better news, cool idea about the indian domains eh, came outta kohacon
17:47 cait         :)
17:47 wizzyrea     ya, that's wicked.
17:47 cait         did they get other countries too?
17:48 jcamins      Huh?
17:48 mtj          a nice summary about the FUD incident here -> http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6704622.html
17:48 rangi        see the mail to the mailing lists jcamins
17:49 * jcamins    has been frantically preparing a brochure for this evening.
17:49 jcamins      Apparently there's been a lot of mail in the last forty-five minutes.
17:50 oleonard     Hah, I forgot that Josh was quoted as a defender of Open Source in that article. How times changed.
17:50 jcamins      Hm. Don't see what we're talking about.
17:50 jcamins      Eh. It'll arrive eventually.
17:51 * magnuse    neither
17:51 cait         jcamins: was this morning
17:51 * jcamins    returns to frantically preparing a brochure for his talk tonight.
17:51 cait         not lately
17:51 rangi        yeah it was bout 15 hours ago at least
17:52 mtj          ah, and speaking of domaiNZzz....
17:52 mtj          https://onlydomains.secure-admin.com/whois/zone/koha-community_org_nz
17:53 rangi        sweet
17:53 mtj          (...to be transfered to HLT quite soon-ish)
17:55 cait         hm I am thinking about the .de
17:56 rhcl         you know, I used to think Stephen had some good thoughts. Haven't been following him for a long time though. Nice to see he has a post on something different for a change.
17:57 magnuse      luckily, you have to be a norwegian company to have .no...
17:57 cait         ah
18:01 maximep      when using xslt it says "Copies available for reference" even if my item is notforloan. How do I set that it's also not available for reference?
18:02 jcamins      maximep: check it out?
18:05 cait         reference means just that
18:05 cait         the system is right
18:05 cait         ah
18:05 cait         hm
18:05 maximep      well without xslt it just says there's no copies
18:06 maximep      so i guess it's something new
18:06 cait         no, not new
18:06 cait         it's been like that in the xslt as long as I can think
18:07 cait         but
18:07 cait         if something is not available for reference - why have it in the catalog?
18:07 cait         you could hide the item totally
18:07 maximep      well it's not available yet
18:07 maximep      just received it
18:08 cait         so it's an on order item?
18:08 cait         does the library hide damaged or lost books?
18:08 magnuse      later!
18:08 cait         bya magnuse :)
18:20 cait         bbiab
18:28 cait         back
18:33 * rangi      is on the bus
18:33 * cait       waves
18:33 libsysguy    hey #Koha :)
18:34 libsysguy    seen sekjal
18:34 wahanui      sekjal was last seen on #koha 2 hours, 48 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying: thanks, wizzyrea! [Thu Nov 17 15:43:50 2011]
18:34 libsysguy    sekjal any word on hourly testing?
18:34 cait         hi libsysguy :)
18:34 libsysguy    hi cait :)
18:34 * libsysguy  waives at druthb
18:35 cait         hi druthb :)
18:35 druthb       hi, #koha!  Say hello to the staff at Bethel University again...got the whole team today.  :)
18:35 cait         libsysguy: should we organize another meeting about notices?
18:35 libsysguy    I would like to cait...but I really want to get hourly pushed before we start any work on it
18:35 cait         Hallo Bethel University :)
18:35 libsysguy    Hi Bethel U
18:35 cait         libsysguy: that's ok, just let me know :)
18:36 rangi        ata marie bethel u
18:36 libsysguy    Bethel in MN?
18:36 druthb       TN
18:36 druthb       http://www.bethelu.edu
18:37 * druthb     waves down the table at edveal.
18:37 * libsysguy  goes to poke around
18:38 druthb       one of the great blessings of doing Koha training is seeing happy faces when they see how much better Koha is than their current stinky system.
18:38 cait         heh
18:38 * libsysguy  thinks he should be doing Koha training then :p
18:38 cait         I have been configuring my new 3.6 test installation
18:38 cait         and was smiling all the time
18:39 druthb       (one of the other great blessings is sitting and chomping on tasty pizza with them at lunch break....)
18:39 cait         so many new and shiny things I almost forgot about
18:39 libsysguy    druthb knows about my "special" situation :-\
18:40 libsysguy    cait have you had any new ideas about notices
18:40 cait         not new ideas, but I want to go in there and check the existing bugs
18:40 cait         I found some new things too
18:40 cait         and there are some things wiating for sign-of
18:41 libsysguy    go in where cait?
18:42 cait         into the darkest places of bugzilla :)
18:42 * libsysguy  is a little slow today
18:42 * libsysguy  runs and hides
18:42 cait         heh
18:43 libsysguy    druthb i used to live about 2 hours from where you are now
18:44 cait         libsysguy: it's not that bad
18:44 cait         libsysguy: and my laptop is set up now to send mails :)
18:45 libsysguy    yayy...are you using my custom notifications script to send emails :p
18:45 cait         um no?
18:45 cait         not yet?
18:45 cait         what's the right answer?
18:46 libsysguy    haha well there is no right answer
18:46 libsysguy    i just wrote a quick little hack to get around the limit on sending
18:46 libsysguy    cron ftw
18:50 rangi        my stop bbiab
18:59 rangi        back
19:05 sekjal       hey, libsysguy
19:05 wahanui      i heard libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
19:05 sekjal       sorry, no progress on hourly testing these last couple weeks
19:05 sekjal       India
19:05 sekjal       then NYC
19:05 sekjal       such the jet-setting life I've got here...
19:06 sekjal       (actually, took a bus to NYC...)
19:06 cait         heh
19:09 libsysguy    haha sekjal
19:10 libsysguy    do you agree that it would be a good idea to wait on notifications until hourly gets pushed
19:11 cait         libsysguy: I think finishing one big project before the ohter is ok
19:11 cait         but you meant ian... sorry, bit distracted
19:11 libsysguy    well I was just thinking that hourly changes a lot with Dates
19:12 wizzyrea     libsysguy: you have merged hourly recently?
19:12 libsysguy    mostly changing a lot of the namespace from C4::Dates to Koha::Calendar
19:12 libsysguy    not since my last mention of merge
19:12 libsysguy    whenever that was
19:12 * wizzyrea   thought to run through the NEKLS testing protocols on it to make sure the normal stuff works
19:12 libsysguy    I know there have been some tt changes
19:12 libsysguy    yeah i can merge and push if you want to check it out
19:12 wizzyrea     dk if that would help you or not
19:13 libsysguy    i think it would help sekjal and I both
19:13 libsysguy    the more testing the better IMO
19:14 libsysguy    wizzyrea: merged and pushed
19:14 wizzyrea     oh snaps
19:14 wizzyrea     okies
19:14 wizzyrea     you are fast :)
19:15 libsysguy    hehe i like to give service like i want it
19:15 libsysguy    fast and efficient
19:18 * wizzyrea   refrains from saying anything terribly naughty about swedes and your deck.
19:18 wizzyrea     i will leave it to your imagination.
19:18 libsysguy    haha ja ja ja
19:18 libsysguy    i guess we have to keep the IRC PG
19:18 cait         lol
19:18 wizzyrea     (that's what she said)
19:21 libsysguy    hehe
19:34 wizzyrea     thanks to whoever proposed only sending original patches to the list.
19:34 wizzyrea     I love you.
19:37 * wizzyrea   pokes anybody looking for an easy signoff - bug 6323
19:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6323 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Attach/move items -- error handling cleanup
19:37 wizzyrea     please :)
19:37 rangi        i have a few mins
19:37 rangi        looking now
19:37 wizzyrea     it's eezzz
19:39 wizzyrea     aaand I neglected a test plan.
19:39 rangi        what!
19:39 * wizzyrea   gives herself a stern face
19:39 * rangi      fails it
19:39 * wizzyrea   sobs
19:39 rangi        (not really)
19:40 rangi        so the idea
19:40 rangi        i try to attach an item
19:40 rangi        if it fails
19:40 rangi        i get a button to try again?
19:41 rangi        you know what you could have done
19:41 rangi        see how that block is repeated 3 times
19:41 rangi        ?
19:41 wizzyrea     what's that
19:41 wahanui      that is good
19:41 wizzyrea     yes
19:41 wizzyrea     (I wondered about that, actually)
19:41 rangi        [% block new_button %]
19:41 rangi        stick that stuff in
19:41 wizzyrea     oh snizzle
19:41 rangi        [% end %]
19:41 rangi        then
19:42 rangi        at the end of the file probably
19:42 rangi        so in the 3 places you do
19:42 rangi        [% include new_button %]
19:42 wizzyrea     oooo
19:43 wizzyrea     gimme a sec
19:43 rangi        :)
19:43 rangi        i probably typoed
19:43 rangi        but thats the gist of it
19:43 * wizzyrea   is a teachable monkey
19:43 rangi        yay!
19:43 wizzyrea     I don't even fling poo anymore!
19:44 * libsysguy  still flings poo
19:44 rangi        http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Directives.html#section_BLOCK
19:44 rangi        reading this
19:44 rangi        http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Directives.html#section_BLOCK
19:44 rangi        sorry
19:44 rangi        http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Directives.html#section_INCLUDE
19:44 rangi        and
19:44 rangi        http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Directives.html#section_PROCESS
19:44 rangi        is probably good too
19:44 rangi        to figure out if you want process or include
19:44 wizzyrea     *nod* will check
19:44 rangi        but block is hella cool
19:45 cait         rangi++
19:45 rangi        and if its used outside the file
19:45 rangi        you can make a new .tt file in the includes and [% INCLUDE %] it
19:45 wizzyrea     ooo snap
19:45 rangi        same idea
19:46 rangi        then down the track
19:46 rangi        we switch those to
19:46 rangi        [% CACHE.INC %]
19:46 rangi        which pulls them from the cache if possible and only processes if not
19:46 rangi        SPEED!
19:46 cait         heh
19:47 oleonard     Does the extension of a file in includes not matter?
19:47 rangi        nope
19:47 rangi        you give it hte full path
19:47 rangi        sorry full filename
19:48 rangi        [% INCLUDE 'doc-head-close.inc' %]
19:48 rangi        that could be
19:48 rangi        [% INCLUDE 'doc-head-close.what_this_is_just_stupid' %]
19:48 rangi        if you wanted
19:49 oleonard     I noticed that recently someone added circ-menu.tt alongside circ-menu.inc, which disturbed my sense of order
19:50 rangi        well picking a consistent one is a sane thing to do
19:50 rangi        but not a requirement of TT
19:54 * oleonard   wonders if INSTALL.debian and INSTALL.ubuntu really must be different
19:55 rangi        sometimes yes
19:55 cait         oleonard: sense_of_order++ :)
19:56 oleonard     INSTALL.ubuntu has the user rebuilding zebra before running the web installer
19:56 rangi        yeah, thats a pretty silly idea
19:59 wizzyrea     rangi++ that works and is so much easier >.<
19:59 wizzyrea     lawdie.
19:59 wizzyrea     ^.^ that's a happy scrunchie face
19:59 rangi        :-)
20:02 oleonard     What is the purpose of the separate INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid file?
20:02 rangi        its supposed to be for lucid the other one should be oneric
20:02 rangi        lucid is the LTS release
20:03 wizzyrea     oleonard does thsi upset your sense of order: http://screencast.com/t/j1hWk5JGSW
20:03 wizzyrea     *this
20:03 oleonard     maybe some, but my sense of "Gawd do you know what we'd have to go through to make them the same?" overrides it
20:03 wizzyrea     totally fair, is why I asked.
20:04 cait         we could relable
20:04 wizzyrea     :)
20:04 cait         "try again" :P
20:04 wizzyrea     lol
20:04 wizzyrea     owen likes it with "try again with a different barcode"
20:04 wizzyrea     I t hink I did that to make the buttons the same size
20:04 wizzyrea     and he was like "meh no"
20:04 wizzyrea     :)
20:04 wizzyrea     (which I'm ok with)
20:04 wizzyrea     (it's clearer this way
20:05 wizzyrea     rangi++ that is helpful knowledge.
20:05 oleonard     Or maybe "OK\nFine, whatever."
20:05 wizzyrea     LOL
20:06 * oleonard   worries that updates to INSTALL.debian and INSTALL.ubuntu are not made concurrently when they should be
20:06 wizzyrea     both of them need to advise to use packages
20:07 wizzyrea     before doing a manual install.
20:07 wizzyrea     the download page on the website needs to be updated to do the same
20:12 * wizzyrea   issues another poke for a signoff on 6323
20:12 wizzyrea     :P
20:12 rangi        :)
20:12 rangi        looking now
20:13 chris_n      maybe we need a "poke" button in bugzilla :)
20:13 wizzyrea     that sends a message to IRC!
20:13 wizzyrea     that would be amazing..
20:14 rangi        needs signoff does it already
20:14 oleonard     ...and activates a buzzer under someone's chair
20:14 wizzyrea     right, but I want it on demand lol
20:14 wizzyrea     POKE
20:14 * chris_n    made the mistake of installing the 'koha' package rather than the 'koha-common' package :(
20:14 wizzyrea     oops.
20:15 wizzyrea     ok ok fine.
20:15 * chris_n    associates peek and poke with TRS-80
20:15 chris_n      opps... giving away my age
20:15 * wizzyrea   had a TRS-80
20:17 chris_n      stupid zebra
20:18 * maximep    doesn't even know what is a TRS-80
20:18 maximep      1977. oh.
20:18 chris_n      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80
20:19 maximep      my first computer was an amd athlon 1.2 ghz
20:19 maximep      :p
20:19 maximep      not to make u feel old hehe
20:19 rhcl         Amiga!
20:19 * chris_n    actually owned a PC-2 once as well
20:20 cait         386?
20:20 rangi        zx-81 was my first computer
20:20 chris_n      maximep: my first was a home-built based around a TI-990 processor running what was called "TI-BUG Monitor"
20:20 Oak          my first was an AMD k6-2, 500 MHz
20:20 chris_n      all machine code programing :P
20:21 rhcl         actually my 1st was a TI99/4A  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_TI-99/4A
20:21 wizzyrea     ok ok
20:21 wizzyrea     check this out
20:21 rangi        wizzyrea: patch looks fine to me
20:21 rangi        signing off
20:21 wahanui      signing off is a great idea!
20:21 wizzyrea     woot!
20:21 wizzyrea     can you see this? https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/380348_10150456133309468_559044467_10336048_6841769_n.jpg
20:21 chris_n      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-990
20:21 wizzyrea     that's mah daddy, and the first computer I poked at
20:22 Oak          see it yes. read it, no.
20:22 maximep      wow cool
20:22 Oak          oh nice
20:22 maximep      1978?
20:22 wizzyrea     ya
20:22 rhcl         I'm waiting for somebody else to ask wizzyrea "for real?"
20:22 wizzyrea     that's my mom's handwriting at the top
20:22 ibeardslee   so long ago
20:22 chris_n      neat
20:23 * Oak        reopens the tab
20:23 wizzyrea     https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380348_10150456133309468_559044467_10336048_6841769_n.jpg
20:23 wizzyrea     is that better?
20:23 chris_n      much
20:24 Oak          oh yes! much better
20:24 rhcl         tarkio Missouri????? wow
20:24 wizzyrea     *nod*
20:24 Oak          it's great actually.
20:24 rhcl         My mother attended there.
20:26 oleonard     What paper was that wizzyrea?
20:26 rhcl         looks like St. Joseph news - press
20:26 wizzyrea     St Jo news-press
20:26 wizzyrea     whoa! rhcl!
20:26 rhcl         (I live in St. Joe)
20:27 wizzyrea     my grandpa was from St. jo
20:28 wizzyrea     (do note I wasn't born yet when that article came out)
20:28 wizzyrea     but only just
20:29 francharb    bye all!
20:29 rhcl         bye
20:30 * francharb  is listening to royal headache!
20:30 francharb    australia rocks!
20:30 francharb    ;)
20:32 rangi        you cant say that and leave!
20:32 wizzyrea     dirty pool lol
20:37 Oak          Koha rocks!
20:37 rangi        phew fixed it
20:37 wizzyrea     !
20:38 talljoy      wizzyrea your dad must have been friends with mine.  lol  mine is a phd in chemical engineering when to grad school in missouri and we built computers for fun in the 80s.
20:39 wizzyrea     !
20:39 wizzyrea     mine had a phd in chemistry too >.>
20:39 talljoy      of course...i'm a tad older than you.  was born and nearly double digits at time of that article.
20:40 * rangi      was 5
20:43 cait         hm
20:43 cait         when was the article written?
20:44 wizzyrea     jan 1978
20:44 cait         um
20:44 rangi        you wasnt borned
20:44 cait         hehe nope
20:45 * wizzyrea   wasn't either ;)
20:45 bg           one year before my time
20:45 bg           :D
20:46 bg           paul_p and I share the same birthday Jan 9...
20:46 ibeardslee   ahh the youth of today
20:46 trea         i was nearly done cookin by jan '78 :D
20:51 * chris_n    tries wizzyrea's trick
20:51 chrisdothall I wont mention how many years that was before me...
20:51 chris_n      and pokes an old thread
20:51 rangi        yeah chrisdothall is our child labour
20:51 * rangi      cracks the whip in his direction
20:51 wizzyrea     whippersnapper!
20:52 * chris_n    was the same as talljoy
20:53 talljoy      chris_n guess that makes us the old fogies
20:53 chris_n      lol
20:53 * talljoy    looks for her cane
20:53 rangi        get off my lawn
20:53 trea         get off my lawn! pesky kids. :P
20:53 trea         lol!
20:53 rangi        hah
20:54 chris_n      hehe
20:54 * chris_n    knew he was getting old when he began rolling up the sidewalks at 9pm
20:55 wizzyrea     o/ HIGHFIVE \o
20:56 trea         o/ HIGHFIVE \o
20:56 ibeardslee   http://www.hi-5us.com/ ?
20:56 chrisdothall o/*\o
20:57 wizzyrea     LOL <3
20:58 wizzyrea     chrisdothall: that is funny I like that
20:58 wizzyrea     ibeardslee: you must have little people near you
20:58 wizzyrea     where little = young
20:59 ibeardslee   no .. but I think there are people in here young enough to know them ;)
21:00 chrisdothall It was after my time, but my younger siblings were fans.
21:00 ibeardslee   sure
21:00 chrisdothall and the people have changed...
21:00 oleonard     chris_n: I've been doing some datatables testing, and I must say I'm put off by the obscurity of the config options
21:02 moodaepo     So #koha who are all attending code4lib in Seattle? I heard sekjal will be...looking for more folks so we can have a merry old koha/evergreen summit : )
21:03 chris_n      oleonard: they are a bit overwhelming at first glance, I agree
21:03 * chris_n    made liberal use of the many examples on the site
21:03 chris_n      and searched often on the forums
21:04 * oleonard   boggles that column config can be set using positive indexes counting from the left or negative indexes counting from the right
21:04 rangi        moodaepo: unfortunately ive done my dash of north american travel for the near future
21:05 * chris_n    is not widely enough versed in js foo to produce a good critique :(
21:05 oleonard     Just seems needlessly complex
21:06 moodaepo     rangi: Well one day we will have to have a OSS ILS summit in Wellington!
21:07 rangi        we had kohacon here last year :)
21:07 cait         last year *sigh*
21:08 chrisdothall cait: are you looking for an excuse to visit?
21:08 * moodaepo   was just talking about nz & in trips being missed because we aren't involved in koha!
21:09 moodaepo     What next .se?
21:09 cait         chrisdothall: always :)
21:09 rangi        moodaepo: declan and mjgialo suggested i run a curatecamp here .. so watch this space
21:09 cait         chrisdothall: but can't believe it's already 'a year ago'
21:10 moodaepo     space_watching++
21:10 sekjal       NateC?
21:10 wahanui      I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
21:11 chrisdothall cait: heh, soon it will be 'two years ago'
21:11 cait         chrisdothall: now you are being mean! :)
21:11 chrisdothall xD
21:12 rangi        curatecamp.org/
21:13 rangi        when it comes back that is :)
21:27 wizzyrea     ok, sql question of the day
21:27 rangi        ok
21:27 wizzyrea     probably a dumb one
21:27 rangi        only dumb ones are the ones you ask 7 times on the mailing
21:27 wizzyrea     lol
21:29 wizzyrea     title, author, dateaccessioned, ccode and number of items on each bib for the returned set (I think we can get the limits worked out ourselves, it's the count of items on each bib that's currently stumping me)
21:29 rangi        right
21:29 wizzyrea     i'll add the recipe to the library in penance
21:30 rangi        select title,author,dateaccessioned,ccode,count(itemnumber) from biblio,items where biblio.biblionumber=items.biblionumber
21:30 wizzyrea     derp gah
21:31 rangi        group by title
21:31 rangi        limit whatever
21:32 rangi        or group by biblionumber is probably safer (include it in the list of colums to select)
21:32 rangi        make sense?
21:32 wizzyrea     yes, makes perfect sense
21:32 rangi        cool
21:33 wizzyrea     thank you :)
21:33 rangi        no worries
21:34 libsysguy    can anybody tell me what the QueryAutoTruncate syspref does?
21:34 rangi        libsysguy: http://soundcloud.com/dubstep/disposable-war-pigs
21:34 rangi        this will fix everything
21:34 libsysguy    haha all things fixed
21:35 rangi        hi paulnz
21:35 paulnz       hi rangi
21:35 libsysguy    well i guess by what it does i should have said do I need to reindex after I change it
21:35 paulnz       can you check overdrive - they said its down
21:35 cait         libsysguy: act like when you put a little star behind each search term
21:35 paulnz       Could not connect to remote host.  Error Message :  No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it  Socket Error Code :  10061  Causes :  Check and make sure the connection port is correct, and that that our global outside facing IP ( has TCP access to it.
21:35 cait         I think
21:36 rangi        paulnz: ill go check now
21:36 paulnz       not sure if you are getting those it emails still?
21:36 libsysguy    hmm well margo turned it off and said it doesn't seem to be working :-\
21:36 cait         libsysguy: no, I don't think you have to, but someone else might know better :)
21:36 rangi        did get that one
21:36 cait         libsysguy: do you still use fuzzy?
21:36 libsysguy    fuzzy?
21:37 libsysguy    yes we do
21:37 libsysguy    maybe that does it
21:38 rangi        paulnz: ahh yes the server has been rebooted
21:39 rangi        2 secs
21:39 cait         libsysguy: stemming might be another candidate
21:40 paulnz       rangi - by you or by us?
21:40 rangi        not by me
21:40 rangi        and robin is at a conference so i suspect at your end
21:41 rangi        paulnz: should be up now
21:41 rangi        if you could get them to test
21:43 paulnz       hmmmmmmmmm - so much for 'nothing changed' reply from IT
21:44 rangi        heh
21:44 paulnz       when was the reboot?
21:44 rangi        lemme check
21:44 rangi        10:36:01 up 1 day,  7:24
21:44 rangi        31 ish hours ago
21:46 paulnz       overdrive just tested now and got same error
21:47 rangi        hmm well the sip server is definitely running
21:49 libsysguy    cait I think what margo was looking for was a way to do exact call number searching
21:49 cait         hm
21:49 libsysguy    like "m27 .b4"
21:49 cait         not sure about that
21:49 wizzyrea     heh
21:49 wizzyrea     good old m27 .b4
21:49 cait         the . will be ignored for example
21:49 libsysguy    because it splits on the space
21:49 libsysguy    yeah i hate call numbers
21:49 libsysguy    why can't we just use unique keys
21:50 cait         hm
21:50 cait         would a phrase callnumber index work on that?
21:50 libsysguy    what is a phrase callnumber index?
21:51 cait         I was thinking
21:51 cait         something like the phrase search we use for other fields
21:51 cait         in advanced search - more options
21:51 cait         where the sequence of works matters
21:51 cait         words
21:51 cait         *sighs*
21:51 cait         getting late here :)
21:52 rangi        paulnz: pasted you some logs in a private message
21:52 libsysguy    haha aww
21:52 * libsysguy  hands cait cookies
21:52 cait         libsysguy: thx :)
21:53 libsysguy    hmm that would be something that would have to be implemented
21:53 libsysguy    but would probaby work
21:53 cait         hmm perhaps not
21:53 cait         not sure about all that hehe
21:53 libsysguy    well im not entirely sure how the code works
21:53 cait         but you can do things like Control-number: in simple search forms
21:53 cait         perhaps you can do something like that
21:53 cait         ok, now I will stop guessing and confusing and go to bed
21:53 cait         night all
21:54 libsysguy    haha night cait
21:54 libsysguy    thanks
21:54 libsysguy    cait++
21:54 sekjal       found a fun new bug in action logs
21:54 * cait       runs out
21:54 sekjal       apparently, all this time, the biblionumber has been what's logged for circulation logs
21:55 sekjal       but in the log view, the code is assuming it's itemnumber, and trying to look up the biblionumber and biblioitemnumber accordingly
22:05 * wizzyrea   promotes a bug: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7112
22:05 huginn       04Bug 7112: normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Having two prices in 020$c causes basket creation to fail from staged marc import
23:07 rangi        http://jenkins.koha-community.org/monitor/?
23:07 rangi        lets get this green again eh?
23:11 * chris_n    wonders if all patch authors are running the appropriate tests on their work prior to submitting
23:13 * rangi      sent up a patch to fix the templates failing one
23:18 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7242] Typo in opac-shelves.tt <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7242>
23:20 rangi        worlds easiest sign off