Time  Nick           Message
00:03 Phlunk3        any idea what to search for in this manual?
00:03 jcamins        Phlunk3: I suggest you read the section on the Patrons module.
00:03 jcamins        There should be an entire chapter.
00:04 Phlunk3        I can't read the entire section right now unfortunately, we're just trying to create a single user quickly to test a bug. only have 10 mins or so with the system
00:05 jcamins        Phlunk3: I think nengard did a video on creating a staff user. You could search on ByWater's website: www.bywatersolutions.com/
00:05 Phlunk3        thanks
01:06 rhcl_home      meeting?
01:06 jcamins        1 hour.
01:07 rhcl_home      yea, I thought wahenua would say something
01:07 rhcl_home      I need food before meeting.
01:07 rhcl_home      brb - plundering
01:08 druthb         o/
01:25 Phlunk3        just running a koha-common install and the /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf doesnt exist (is throwing this error when I do koha-create. can anyone tell me what this file is meant to look like?
01:25 Phlunk3        does this mean that the koha-common failed to create the db?
01:28 jcamins        Phlunk3: it means that it used the default settings.
01:28 jcamins        Run man koha-create
01:28 jcamins        It explains what settings there are.
01:31 Phlunk3        weird, is this a new thing ?
01:31 jcamins        Nope.
01:31 Phlunk3        Im using a step by step guide which I wrote 2 weeks ago when installing the other fiji server lol
01:32 jcamins        There are more settings now than there used to be, but as far as I know, the koha-common.cnf file has always been optional.
01:32 jcamins        (and never been installed)
01:32 Phlunk3        have edited /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf, or is there something else I am missing?
01:33 jcamins        Oh, wait!
01:33 jcamins        Sorry, I misread your question.
01:33 Phlunk3        wait, its me :P I called my file .cnf :P
01:33 * jcamins      is very tired.
01:33 Phlunk3        oh no I didnt :( damn
01:33 jcamins        The problem is that you don't have MySQL installed.
01:33 Phlunk3        omg I hope not
01:33 jcamins        So, ignore what I said earlier, it was silly.
01:34 jcamins        You probably don't have mysql-server installed, and that's why there's a problem.
01:34 Phlunk3        yeah just checking now, u r right :( omg I hate working with servers setup by people with this sort of abilities :(
01:35 jcamins        Fortunately you didn't lose many hours on this yet.
01:35 * jcamins      has done that.
01:35 Phlunk3        are there any other dependencies that koha-common have which arent specified?
01:35 Phlunk3        haha ud be surprised
01:35 jcamins        Just mysql-server.
01:35 jcamins        Because the package has to support situations where the MySQL server is on a different machine.
01:35 jcamins        Just to confirm, you're using Squeeze or a version of Ubuntu newer than 10.04, right?
01:36 Phlunk3        I have 16 hr logs of skype convo with the umm "IT officer" on the other end ;) just a couple hours ago finally got him to install the right os and get a remote session open so I can do the install for him (as he couldnt follow the guide lol).
01:36 Phlunk3        using squeeze on 10.04
01:36 jcamins        Okay, in that case you may want to see...
01:36 jcamins        Installing Koha on Lucid?
01:36 jcamins        Installing Koha on Lucid is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages
01:36 jcamins        Installing Koha on Lucid?
01:36 wahanui        it has been said that Installing Koha on Lucid is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages
01:36 jcamins        :)
01:37 Phlunk3        Im okay now, have a step by step guide written just a few weeks ago.
01:37 jcamins        Ah, excellent!
01:37 Phlunk3        just I forgot to check he had followed the first steps lol
01:57 Brooke         o/
01:59 thd            jcamins: Who is currently maintaining the Debian packages?
02:00 thd            s/Debian/Koha Debian/
02:02 Brooke         howdy
02:03 thd            hello
02:03 wahanui        hi, thd
02:03 Brooke         #startmeeting
02:03 huginn         Meeting started Wed Nov 16 02:01:35 2011 UTC.  The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
02:03 huginn         Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
02:03 Brooke         #topic introductions
02:04 thd            #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
02:04 Brooke         Welcome to another fun filled IRC General Meeting
02:04 Brooke         #info for intros plox
02:04 jwagner        #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
02:04 jcamins        #info Jared Camins-Esakov and Shari Perkins, C & P Bibliography Services (only kind of here)
02:05 druthb         #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions
02:05 edv            #info Ed Veal, ByWater Solutions
02:06 Brooke         k
02:06 Brooke         anyone have any announcements?
02:07 thd            Only US people today?
02:07 paulnz         #info Paul Nielsen hauraki District Libraries
02:07 paulnz         looks like im representing NZ - didn;t relasie it was meeting time even
02:07 Brooke         d'oh
02:07 thd            Congratulations paulnz
02:07 Brooke         I'm guessing many people are still jet lagged.
02:08 paulnz         no sympathy from us had-to-stay-at-homers
02:08 Brooke         I'm gonna fudge these roadmaps, so 3.6 first then 3.8, because I'm jumping to the conclusion that no one wants to hear about 3.4 anymore.
02:08 * thd          is jet lagged from resurrecting two computers from the dead.  Thankfully, I do not do miracles every day :)
02:09 Brooke         anyone have a burning desire to do 3.6?
02:10 BobB           #info Bob Birchall, Calyx
02:10 BobB           Sorry I'm late
02:10 Brooke         no problem Bob
02:10 Brooke         moving on to Roadmap to 3.8
02:10 Brooke         it's really early for Frenchies, and I don't see an active Paul
02:11 BobB           I think its 5am in France
02:11 Brooke         well, I can do the KohaCon11 bit
02:12 Brooke         it was awesome if you weren't there
02:12 * druthb       cheers
02:12 Brooke         and if you were, you know how cool it was.
02:12 Brooke         tonnes of good chats
02:12 thd            This is primarily a good hour for the west coast of the US and Australia.
02:12 * druthb       is still twitching from the jet lag
02:12 Brooke         hopefully VPM will put stuff up if they've not yet
02:12 BobB           It was a cool 35 every day - reall cool!
02:13 Brooke         VPM might start an Academy, which I think will be neat if it gets rolling.
02:13 BobB           Brooke, I know that kmkale collected all the papers - I think he'll do something public with them.
02:13 * Brooke       nods.
02:14 Brooke         I was more wondering about the electronic feed
02:14 Brooke         but hey, all in good time.
02:14 Brooke         #topic KohaCon2012
02:14 thd            How much seemed to be recorded?
02:15 Phlunk3        long shot, but anyone can confirm if marc21 or unimarc should be used in fiji? I remember being told one of them was pretty much only used in france, but I forget which one haha
02:15 druthb         virtually all of it, thd.
02:15 Brooke         should be 21
02:15 Brooke         unless there are many, many diacritics.
02:16 Brooke         I'm guessing slef is still asleep as well
02:16 BobB           Phlunk3, afaik, Fiji is marc21
02:16 Brooke         he left decent notes though
02:16 thd            slef had sent apologies to the wiki
02:16 Brooke         so I shall just spout what is on the wiki
02:16 Brooke         Probably 5-7 June 2012 for conference, 9-11 June for hackfest.
02:16 Brooke         4 and 5 June are expected to be Bank Holidays in Scotland (Royal Jubilee) which will probably mean more food, drink and entertainment, but less transport, banking and large shops. Will that screw it up for anyone? It seemed more important to avoid clashing with ALA later in June.
02:16 chrisdothall   #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT Ltd
02:16 Brooke         Please use the wishlist page for ideas you'd like the team to bear in mind.
02:17 Brooke         At the moment, the team is just slef and mle, but we've had a few offers of help which we're starting to take up.
02:17 Brooke         slef expects to ask for most help with schedule design and talk reviews and at-the-conference help, but it'd be great to hear other suggestions of what else could be organised remotely.
02:17 Brooke         slef will be doing the fun task of reading the English and Scottish interpretations of the Bribery Act 2010 between meetings tomorrow, because one of his advisors thought it might affect how we do a crowdfunding sponsorship drive.
02:17 Brooke         The two top choices look like indiegogo (more public) and using the co-op's existing payment services (lower fees, especially for Single Euro Payments Area). Anyone thoughts on those or other suggested services?
02:17 Brooke         #idea help with securing accommodations can be done at a distance.
02:18 Brooke         #idea list of folks willing to take on a lodger to save another person expense.
02:18 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7235] Adding invoice number and vendor name to the moredetail page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7235>
02:18 thd            Avoiding a conflict with ALA is imperative from a US perspective.
02:18 Brooke         it's not near ALA
02:18 * druthb       notes that Brooke did a *fine* job of that for Thane.  There were some bobbles, but overall I was very happy with Vihang's.
02:18 Brooke         that's at the end of June
02:18 BobB           Do we know what venue slef proposes to use? If its a university it will have accommodation available in June, I'd guess
02:19 thd            I would certainly prefer better transport and fewer bank holidays.
02:19 Brooke         not finalised yet bob
02:19 Brooke         bank holidays are really no biggy
02:19 rhcl_home      sorry for late checkin. RHCL = Greg Lawson @ Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
02:19 Brooke         anyone else want to leave a pixel trail for slef to get later?
02:19 thd            Shop closures and reduced transportation mute the experience of the place.
02:21 Brooke         #topic KohaCon2013
02:21 BobB           Seriously?  That's two years away.
02:22 thd            Plan early so that people can schedule funding.
02:22 Brooke         I just drive the bus. Someone else stuck it on the agenda. ;)
02:22 thd            Funding to attend is a major issue which must be budgeted well in advance for many.
02:22 * thd          did not place it on the agenda.
02:23 BobB           thd, re shop closures in Edinburgh, the Royal Jubilee will be one massive party.  There'll be no muted experience!  :)
02:23 rhcl_home      #info Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
02:24 Brooke         Bob, you're helping to swipe the stone of destiny with us, right? ;)
02:24 BobB           Right!
02:24 Brooke         k, since no one is itching to go into the 2013 can of worms, moving on.
02:24 Brooke         #topic Global Bug Squashing Days
02:25 BobB           Magnus is also asleep in Europe, I guess?
02:25 wahanui        okay, BobB.
02:26 Brooke         prolly
02:26 BobB           wahanui - be quiet
02:26 wahanui        BobB: huh?
02:27 Brooke         3.61 is due out on 22. Get to gettin or there won't be much in it.
02:28 Brooke         a hearty thanks to the folks that are working to get the bug metre to be green
02:28 Brooke         #info thanks to all of you diligent bug squashers.
02:28 Brooke         #topic actions from 5 October
02:28 Brooke         so
02:28 Brooke         uh
02:29 thd            We had selected Perl coding style.
02:29 Brooke         Liz and I submitted for DML
02:29 thd            DML?
02:29 Brooke         the page for submission was super hostile, so I'm not expecting much
02:29 Brooke         the Badge Competition I talked about last meeting.
02:29 thd            Oh yes
02:30 Brooke         between that and my presentation, I've a really good idea of stuff, so hopefully at some point the wiki on gamification will get a padding.
02:30 Brooke         don't think that there's much else to talk about from October
02:30 thd            I have a question about Perl coding style.
02:30 thd            We had selected Perl coding style in October.
02:31 Brooke         you already said that
02:31 thd            Paul, myself and others had a concern about the transition.
02:31 thd            Does anyone have information from the hackfest about Perl coding style transition discussions?
02:32 Brooke         don't think anyone mentioned it
02:32 thd            That is what do we do about the old code?
02:32 Brooke         should phase itself out little by little as code is modified, yes?
02:33 thd            That was the sense I had from last meeting but Paul had written about the possibility of an alternative.
02:33 thd            An alternative would be a discussion topic during the hackfest.
02:34 thd            Was there such a discussion?  Brooke does not recall one.
02:34 Brooke         I was in the training sessions though.
02:34 Brooke         Don't tell a soul that someone asked me a cataloguing question ;)
02:35 thd            I can ask later on the mailing list.  Paul is not here to answer.
02:35 thd            s/Paul/PaulP/
02:36 Brooke         right good plan
02:36 Brooke         #topic Miscellaneous
02:36 Brooke         so
02:36 Brooke         our wiki is ugly
02:36 Brooke         and I'd really like the ability to add pictures again
02:36 Brooke         in especial with the gaming stuff
02:37 Brooke         but every time I try it throws an error.
02:37 thd            I was not aware picture upload was broken.  I will look at the issue.
02:37 thd            What image file format had been rejected?
02:38 thd            What size images had been rejected?
02:38 Brooke         not sure it makes a diff, but I usually try jpegs and pngs
02:38 Brooke         and they're generally smallish
02:38 Brooke         just like sometimes it randomly sends me to edit a template which is not cool at all
02:38 Brooke         I think the template edit thing is only when I timeout
02:38 thd            It should not make a difference but maybe you wanted some special image format.
02:38 Brooke         instead of asking me to relog
02:38 Brooke         it does mischief.
02:39 Brooke         any other misc stuff?
02:39 thd            I have had timeout problems in the past which seemed to go away so I had not continued to pursue them.
02:40 thd            Image size could be a problem which gmcharlt would need to correct for maximum file / memory size in php.ini.
02:40 Brooke         #topic time and date of next meeting
02:41 Brooke         so
02:41 Brooke         7 December 6 UTC?
02:42 druthb         +1
02:42 Brooke         no that's not right
02:42 Brooke         1800 UTC I think...
02:42 thd            It may not be right but I like it.
02:43 jwagner        If it rotates in order, shouldn't it be 10 UTC?
02:43 Brooke         meant to be 18.00
02:43 Brooke         then 10.00
02:43 Brooke         so 7 December 18.00
02:43 thd            jwagner, the order has a direction which may change from time to time.
02:44 jwagner        In other words, no direction :-)
02:44 thd            :)
02:44 BobB           :)
02:44 thd            +1 7 Dec. 18,00 UTC
02:45 BobB           All done?
02:45 Brooke         yeah as soon as we get more than 1 person agreeing to a time XD
02:46 edv            +1
02:46 jwagner        +1
02:46 rhcl_home      I concur
02:46 Brooke         k
02:46 Brooke         #info 7 December 18.00 Next Meeting
02:46 Brooke         scurry
02:46 Brooke         less than an hour
02:46 Brooke         #endmeeting
02:46 huginn         Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 02:44:49 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
02:46 huginn         Minutes:        http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-11-16-02.01.html
02:46 huginn         Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-11-16-02.01.txt
02:46 huginn         Log:            http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-11-16-02.01.log.html
02:46 BobB           Thanks Brooke, well done!
02:46 Brooke         no problem
02:47 jwagner        It's past my bedtime, good night
02:48 thd            Brooke:  Send one of the images you are trying to add to koha AT agogme.com so that I can test with real data.
02:49 Brooke         k
02:49 * thd          scurries to the market before he has to hunt or forage for breakfast.
02:50 jcamins        thd: eythian maintains the packages.
02:50 thd            jcamins: OK, it had been gmcharlt previously.
02:51 jcamins        Really? Not for a long time. liw managed the packages before eythian.
02:51 thd            jcamins: I had noticed that choice of Apache server modules was unduly restrictive.
02:52 thd            jcamins: I had not checked the maintainer for a long time.
02:52 jcamins        thd: it's for security- so that the instances don't use the same user.
02:52 * thd          must dash to market.
02:53 thd            jcamins: Will you be here in an hour?
02:53 jcamins        At ten to ten? Enjoy.
02:53 jcamins        thd: unlikely.
02:53 thd            We will continue some future day about packages.
02:54 jcamins        Certainly.
03:15 Phlunk3        ugly site is meant to be hidden from public but someone else wanted it so I have opened it (yes this is a general dont make fun of my dev site post), if anyone can add something to this guide feel free to mail me updates: http://www.dreadplayhouse.com/blog/single-view/article/installing-koha-on-ubuntu-1004/ browsing anything else on the site is illegal, so if u do just dont ever tell me.
03:17 Brooke         didja link that to the wiki, and if not, can I?
03:19 Phlunk3        u can of course and no I didn't
03:20 Brooke         shweet
03:20 Brooke         thanks
03:20 jransom        heya
03:20 Brooke         ahoy
03:20 jransom        home saftly then
03:21 Brooke         a yep
03:21 jransom        how long you been home
03:21 Brooke         about a dayish
03:22 Brooke         miracle of miracles I resisted the lure of another Rajastani jacket.
03:23 jransom        really! and without my calming influence I am truly impressed
03:23 Brooke         pfft
03:23 * Brooke       is a looker more than a shopper.
03:23 jransom        i have given so much blood and 'stuff' since ive been back (i'm still sick!!!)
03:23 Brooke         get out
03:23 Brooke         go to hospital!
03:24 Brooke         you can visit ata
03:24 jransom        they are running every test known to man
03:29 paulnz         welcome back jransom
03:29 paulnz         though sound slike you brought back the proverbial belly?
03:29 jransom        heya paul
03:30 Brooke         heh
03:34 Brooke         hey Amit
03:35 AmitG          heya Brooke
03:36 jransom        heya amit
03:36 jransom        Paul: Brooke nursed me around India .....
03:36 * Brooke       is a terrible nurse.
03:36 jransom        (or annoyed the bejeesus out of me depending on your perspective)
03:36 Brooke         nah
03:37 AmitG          heya jransom
03:37 paulnz         right, 2 sides to every story
03:37 AmitG          heya paulnz
03:37 paulnz         so were you sick over there or just when you got back?
03:37 jransom        anyway paul : you have to kohacon12
03:38 * Brooke       blames the rhum.
03:38 paulnz         hey AmitG
03:38 Brooke         oh Rangi
03:38 Brooke         Jo blames you for a lack of debauchery.
03:38 paulnz         so i see -s cotland in june is lovely
03:38 jransom        essential: i am more convince d than ever that libraries running koha must MUST go to kohacon
03:38 jransom        Brooke!!! (don't dob me int to rangi)
03:38 * Brooke       agrees.
03:38 AmitG          Chris around?
03:39 jransom        I think he is lurking
03:39 jransom        sick child in hospital
03:39 AmitG          oh!
03:41 paulnz         june might work our well with some unspent training budgets left lurking maybe for us nzers that couldn;t make india
03:42 Brooke         wunderbar
03:42 paulnz         rangi made up for your lack of debauchery in his biege & browns at lianza dinner
03:42 jransom        oh - thats a plan (although i am sending 5 staff to ndf which will cost a bit)
03:42 paulnz         sharp like a razor
03:43 jransom        see!! I knew he was the missing factor
03:43 jransom        we actually left undrunk alcohol  in the hotel!
03:43 Brooke         it was in fact criminal
03:43 jransom        that would never have happened if Chris had been there
03:43 paulnz         wow 5. would love to go ndf but timing is bad this year
03:43 Brooke         plus these tossers drank the swill gin before the Hendricks.
03:43 paulnz         what the??????
03:43 wahanui        the is a stop word
03:43 * Brooke       clucks.
03:44 jransom        foul mouther kiwis
03:46 paulnz         i agree, undrunk alcohol is a very bad word
03:46 Brooke         wash your mouth out this instant, young man.
03:47 * rangi        reads the log
03:47 AmitG          heya rangi
03:47 rangi          i wonder if there was an ebsco rep following jo around at kohacon
03:47 Brooke         could be.
03:48 Brooke         it was hard to tell what with the crowd of street vendors serving as her entourage.
03:48 Brooke         
03:50 paulnz         an entourage and a nurse?
03:50 Brooke         cast of thousands...
03:51 jransom        i need a cast of thousands ....
03:51 jransom        so many idxeas and plans and so few slaves
03:54 rangi          ok, just talked to the dr
03:54 rangi          he is staying in overnight
03:54 Brooke         what's the prognosis?
03:54 Brooke         teh ohnoes
03:54 Brooke         not overnight!
03:54 rangi          still a bit too stoned to go home
03:54 Brooke         that poor little guy!
03:55 rangi          but they have a bed for laurel
03:55 Brooke         clearly he needs his fan club president.,
03:55 jransom        will be best- he'll wake up in horrible pain and best a nurse is on hand to manage that
03:55 jransom        but i guess one of you will be staying over too
03:55 rangi          yep, laurel will, ill go home and look after the pets
03:56 Brooke         #goodmummy
03:56 rangi          so packing up my makeshift office
03:56 Brooke         aye
03:56 rangi          yay for easytether + android + debian
03:56 Brooke         I should get to bid lest I remain on the other Indian time.
03:57 rangi          and head home
03:57 rangi          bbiab
03:57 Brooke         smeck?
03:57 jransom        smeck
03:58 Brooke         waha is refusing to learn.
03:58 Brooke         *sigh*
03:58 Brooke         prolly givin im bad commands
04:00 paulnz         gotta go too - paeroa social netball glory awaits
04:00 paulnz         rnagi hope jnr has a good night
04:00 paulnz         jo are you at work tomorrow?
04:01 jransom        yes i am
04:01 jransom        all day
04:01 jransom        had day 1 back today
04:01 paulnz         cool, will give you a bell. got a grand nz ebook plan for you
04:02 jransom        sweet :)
04:04 paulnz         see ya
04:23 rangi          waiting for train at crofton downs
04:26 rangi          racing to get back to the station before the last 4 bus of the day leaves
04:39 rangi          made it
04:40 rangi          now waiting for the bus :)
04:40 chrisdothall   are you sure you didnt miss it?
04:44 rangi          live updates ftw
04:44 rangi          its 7 mins away :)
04:45 chrisdothall   haha I am glad that they are working today, often on the uni routes they say there are no scheduled services when there definitely is.
04:45 rangi          yeah its a bit hit and miss sometimes
06:53 cait           @wunder Konstanz
06:53 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.7�C (7:50 AM CET on November 16, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Steady).
07:10 magnuse        kia ora #koha
07:10 rangi          hi magnuse
07:10 magnuse        ata marie rangi
07:11 cait           hi magnuse and rangi :)
07:12 magnuse        yay!
07:12 rangi          hi cait
07:12 cait           :)
07:13 magnuse        wassup?
07:14 cait           hehe
07:14 cait           reading learning perl :)
07:14 magnuse        yay
07:15 cait           just finished chapter 8
07:15 cait           m//
07:15 magnuse        you know there is a new edition right around the corner?
07:15 cait           yeah...
07:15 cait           when i bought the book... this edition was new
07:15 cait           *sighs*
07:15 magnuse        hehe
07:15 magnuse        i'm gettting the new one when it's out
07:18 rangi          modern perl is a good one too
07:19 cait           that was the next on my reading list, right?
07:19 cait           after the learning perl?
07:20 rangi          yes
07:20 magnuse        oops, i was thinking about "programming perl" when i talked a bout a new edition
07:21 * magnuse      checks out modern perl
07:21 rangi          http://onyxneon.com/books/modern_perl/
07:21 cait           there is a free pdf
07:21 cait           :)
07:21 rangi          yes, and epub
07:22 rangi          because chromatic rules
07:22 magnuse        that's very cool
07:26 magnuse        rangi: i took a stab at converting marc to rdf based on the yaml mapping we talked about earlier - think i got about half way there: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/marc2rdf
07:27 rangi          oh cool
07:27 magnuse        based on RDF::Redland - might be the base for a "save as RDF" thingy if i can get the rest of it under control
07:27 rangi          yay!
07:27 rangi          that would be be pretty sweet
07:28 magnuse        yup, a first step towards the glorious semantic future ;-)
07:32 magnuse        the norwegian library laboratory will have it's last meeting on friday (*sobs*), i'll be talking about how to semantify an ils
07:32 magnuse        i hacked together a small semantic "mashin" for koha, but that's only on my laptop so far
07:35 rangi          ahh thats still good
07:35 rangi          back it up tho :)
07:35 magnuse        yup ;-)
07:35 * magnuse      reads up on twitter and hopes atarau is doing well
07:36 rangi          yep stayed in tonight
07:36 rangi          but should be home tomorrow
07:36 reiveune       hello
07:36 wahanui        privet, reiveune
07:36 cait           hi reiveune
07:36 magnuse        rangi: yay
07:36 magnuse        bonjour reiveune
07:36 reiveune       hi cait magnuse everybody :)
07:37 rangi          hi reiveune
07:37 cait           rangi: glad to hear he is ok :)
07:40 * magnuse      too
07:47 rangi          hi hdl and anandology
07:47 cait           bbiab
07:47 hdl            hi rangi
07:50 alex_a         hello #koha
08:03 rangi          hi alex_a
08:09 kf             back
08:09 rangi          wb kf
08:10 julian_m       hello
08:10 wahanui        privet, julian_m
08:10 rangi          hi julian_m
08:13 kf             thx rangi and hi julian_m
08:13 asaurat        hi !
08:13 kf             hi asaurat :)
08:14 sophie_m       hello kf
08:16 kf             hi sophie_m :)
09:20 anandology     \whois rangi
09:21 anandology     rangi: hi
09:23 kf             he might be gone, getting late in nz
09:24 kf             hi francharb
09:31 francharb      hi kf
09:31 francharb      morning #koha
10:45 * mtj_goa      waves from singapore airport
10:45 * magnuse      waves back from bod�
10:47 * kf           waves from Konstanz
10:47 mtj            2 planes down... 2 more to go - before home!
10:47 magnuse        mtj: chili cravings sated?
10:47 magnuse        home++ ;-)
10:48 mtj            heya magnus and cait
10:49 mtj            yeah, the food has been simply amazing
10:51 mtj            ... so i just missed a Koha meeting, earlier today?
10:52 kf             yep
10:52 kf             we too
10:52 kf             was 3am
10:52 mtj            'Next General IRC Meeting 16 November 2011 at 02:00 UTC+0'
10:53 mtj            bummer, there has been some important news, of late
10:53 magnuse        someone should update the subject http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_7_December_2011
10:53 mtj            (as you probably know)
10:53 magnuse        minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-11-16-02.01.html
10:53 magnuse        log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-11-16-02.01.log.html
10:55 mtj            hmm, about to board in 10 mins
10:55 magnuse        safe travels, mtj!
10:56 kf             safe travels :)
10:57 mtj            thanks, hopefully chat you from nz :p
10:59 magnuse        yay
11:00 mtj            ok, im off ....
13:17 kf             marcelr++
13:57 kf             hi maximep, ago and sekjal
13:57 sekjal         morning, kf!
14:06 maximep        hi =)
14:07 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5226] MARC21 field 545 missing <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5226>
14:22 talljoy        good morning all!
14:23 talljoy        is there an expert in the house regarding koha record matching rules for bibs?
14:26 jcamins_away   talljoy: I'm not an expert, but there's a slight chance I have the answer.
14:26 talljoy        great.  lets give it a go!  let me pull up my rule.  sec
14:27 talljoy        i've got a bib that didn't match when it appears according to the rules that it *should* have.
14:27 jenkins_koha   Starting build 59 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 1 mo. 8 j ago)
14:27 talljoy        four matchpoints, search indexes are verified, scores are set, tag and subfield match.
14:28 talljoy        it appears that koha is looking at something else in the marc records other than the 4 matchpoints to cause a nonmatch
14:28 jcamins_away   What are you matching on?
14:28 talljoy        020a, 010a, 024a, 245a  (1000 point pass: points in order 1000,1000,500,500)
14:29 jcamins_away   @marc 024 a
14:29 huginn         jcamins_away: Standard number or code
14:29 talljoy        it's a video and has no 020a or 010a.  but does have 024a and 245a that match an existing record.
14:29 jcamins_away   Change it to 999 point pass?
14:29 wahanui        jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
14:30 talljoy        i can try.
14:30 talljoy        nope.
14:31 jcamins_away   Hm. And the fields are *absolutely* identical? Down to the punctuation?
14:31 talljoy        yep.  i checked for leading/trailing spaces even.
14:33 jcamins_away   Weird. Could this be affected by that matching rule bug?
14:33 talljoy        do you know the bug number?
14:33 jcamins_away   I do not.
14:34 jcamins_away   @help
14:34 huginn         jcamins_away: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
14:34 jcamins_away   @bug
14:34 huginn         jcamins_away: (bug <bug_id> [<bug_ids>]) -- Reports the details of the bugs with the listed ids to this channel. Accepts bug aliases as well as numeric ids. Your list can be separated by spaces, commas, and the word "and" if you want.
14:34 jcamins_away   @bug search matching
14:34 huginn         jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=search could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId
14:34 huginn         jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=matching could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId
14:34 jcamins_away   @search matching
14:34 huginn         jcamins_away: There were no matching configuration variables.
14:34 jcamins_away   @bugs matching
14:34 huginn         jcamins_away: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
14:34 talljoy        lol
14:34 jcamins_away   @help bug
14:34 huginn         jcamins_away: (bug <bug_id> [<bug_ids>]) -- Reports the details of the bugs with the listed ids to this channel. Accepts bug aliases as well as numeric ids. Your list can be separated by spaces, commas, and the word "and" if you want.
14:34 talljoy        it's giving you fits eh?  i'll try searching bugzilla.  See what I come up with.
14:35 * jcamins_away forgot the charger for his laptop, so has to make 35% battery last three hours.
14:36 jcamins_away   So no graphical web browsers for me.
14:40 talljoy        jcamins_away: i think its 6713
14:40 talljoy        bug 6713
14:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6713 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , marc import not matching
14:40 jcamins_away   That's the one I was thinking of.
14:40 talljoy        this sounds like it. i'm going to try testing on the most recent version and see if i still see it.  i'm currently testing this on a package install.
14:41 jcamins_away   The question is when the matching rule was created.
14:42 jcamins_away   Weird... lynx automatically transliterated my Russian.
14:53 dpavlin        What would be the right way to search 856$u in Koha? Adding it to Zebra? Using ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="856"]/subfield[@code>="z"]') or something else?
14:54 kf             search with?
14:54 dpavlin        using SQL would require new CGI script to query it, so I *would* prefer SRU/SRV approach (if it can query arbitrary fields, I still havent read all documentation about it ;-)
14:54 kf             not sure what you want to do :)
14:54 dpavlin        I'm trying to finish eprints export -> koha import script.
14:54 jcamins        dpavlin: don't use SQL. Use Zebra.
14:54 wizzyrea       so is there something special you have to do to enable search by email?
14:54 dpavlin        since we have some entries in Koha allready, I need to make sure I'm not creating duplicate records, and this search ;-)
14:54 kf             wizzyrea: I don't think there is
14:54 wizzyrea       well it doesn't work.
14:55 kf             dpavlin: I think zebra
14:55 kf             dpavlin: will make it easier to search for other things later on too
14:55 kf             dpavlin: like 001 :)
14:55 jcamins        wizzyrea: search by e-mail?
14:55 wizzyrea       yes
14:55 kf             dpavlin: I mean it would work similar to other features - the matching rules use the zebra indexes too
14:55 dpavlin        kf: cool. Any pointers to documentation about adding fields to Zebra?
14:56 wizzyrea       oh, never mind, it was only just pushed.
14:56 kf             hm not sure we have documentation
14:56 kf             but I can tell you the files
14:56 jcamins        wizzyrea: oh, you mean for searching patrons.
14:56 dpavlin        Tell me, and I will write docs :-)
14:56 kf             or point you to a patch where I hae done it
14:56 kf             cool :)
14:56 * jcamins      had visions of people e-mailing the server "Search 'kw:books'" and getting results.
14:57 kf             dpavlin: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=baf3f605ecca2201527fc985cb9267b9f2809bd2
14:57 dpavlin        kf++ thanks
14:57 wizzyrea       whoa
14:57 wizzyrea       i'm not sure anybody would ever do that
14:57 wizzyrea       and sounds terribly insecure
14:58 wizzyrea       but is an interesting idea
14:58 kf             dpavlin: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=baf3f605ecca2201527fc985cb9267b9f2809bd2
14:58 kf             args
14:58 kf             dpavlin: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing
14:58 kf             this :)
14:58 jcamins        wizzyrea: it's like the modern equivalent of telnet OPACs. ;)
14:58 wizzyrea       oy
15:01 tcohen         hi gmcharlt
15:02 tcohen         is there a way to tell as_formatted to be aware of the original encoding of a MRC::Record object?
15:04 tcohen         it seems to output ISO-8859 text only
15:06 jcamins        VIAF is 100% Javascript, apparently.
15:07 jcamins        Don't bother trying to use it in Lynx. It won't work.
15:08 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.4.x build #59: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/59/
15:08 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 5974 - Bogus auth check for "StaffMember" role
15:08 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Sorry pushed this by mistake when trying to fix Pauls permissions
15:08 jenkins_koha   * maxime.pelletier: Use unitprice in neworder so that the value is saved in the database and so it will be the same field used as to receive shipments
15:08 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6955, Toolbar on reading history broken
15:08 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5974 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Bogus auth check for "StaffMember" role
15:08 jenkins_koha   * maxime.pelletier: Bug 7069: Put strings in "" instead of '' to fix the javascript not working when the translated string has a ' in it.
15:08 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6895 : First attempt at fixing the diacritics bug
15:08 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Bug 6963: Corrects a problem when a new order is created with a duplicate barcode.
15:08 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6955 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Toolbar on reading history broken
15:08 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Follow-up patch : use the subfield associated with items.barcode
15:08 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 7076: Lists render OPAC XSLT on staff side
15:08 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7069 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Javascript errors in tags/review
15:08 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Bug 5885 : UNIMARC XSLT changes
15:08 jenkins_koha   * f.demians: Bug 6989 Patron categories not properly displayed if not pure ASCII
15:08 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6895 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Diacritics in Pootle/po files are broken in source text
15:08 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 7061: unnecessary global variables declared in C4::SQLHelper
15:08 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 3958, Standardize vendor/supplier/bookseller terminology
15:08 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6963 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , When creating a new order, the item isn't added if its barcode already exists in the items table.
15:08 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: 7146 (Update timestamps when deleting a biblio)
15:08 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7117: Bug 7117 - Small display problems when organising suggestion tabs by name
15:08 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7076 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , shelfpage renders OPAC XSLT bloc for intranet Lists
15:08 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 6471: add tablesorter to Holds Queue
15:08 jenkins_koha   * frederick.capovilla: Notify the user on his account page when his account is almost expired
15:08 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5885 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , UNIMARC XSLT changes
15:08 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6994: Wrong 'no budget defined' alert
15:08 jenkins_koha   * lrea: Bug 7128 - adding some ID's to make styling opac-main.tt a bit easier
15:08 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6989 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Patron categories not properly displayed if not pure ASCII
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7061 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , SQLHelper has unused global variables
15:09 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Bug 7184 raise mySQL error if debug is set
15:09 jenkins_koha   * paul.poulain: Bug 7188: C4::Context::db_scheme2dbi does case-insensitive grep
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3958 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Standardize vendor/supplier/bookseller terminology
15:09 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Declare variables outside of conditionals
15:09 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Don't declare variables in conditionals Don't change $_ in a list context http://search.cpan.org/~elliotjs/Perl-Critic-1.116/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/ControlStructures/ProhibitMutatingListFunctions.pm
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7117 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Small display problems when organising suggestion tabs by name
15:09 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Not using strict .. bad script, no cookie for you!
15:09 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Don't declare variables in conditionals
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6471 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , column sorter on holds queue
15:09 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Tidying changed parts of file
15:09 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6679: Fixing admin/aqplain :encoding(UTF-8) gives strict validation
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6994 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , 'No budget defined' showing up although budgets and funds are defined
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7128 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , logged in and logged out states of opac-main.tt are hard to style
15:09 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7138: Can't print basket group order pdf
15:09 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 5945: email not searchable in patron search
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7184 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , have mysql returning errors
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7188 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , case-insensitive grep of /mysql/ in C4::Context
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7138 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Can't print basket group order pdf.
15:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5945 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , can't search patron's email anymore
15:09 wizzyrea       oh, do we have new toys?
15:09 kf             @quote add Chris Cormack: Bug 6679 : Not using strict .. bad script, no cookie for you!
15:09 huginn         kf: The operation succeeded.  Quote #165 added.
15:09 jcamins        @quote random
15:09 huginn         jcamins: Quote #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical condition ;)" (added by jwagner at 03:13 PM, October 16, 2009)
15:09 kf             couldn't resist :)
15:10 wizzyrea       yay finally someone added a quote and it wasn't me!
15:10 jcamins        @quote random
15:10 huginn         jcamins: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010)
15:13 kf             @quote random
15:13 huginn         kf: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 04:24 PM, August 06, 2009)
15:14 kf             wizzyrea: seems you are not the only one adding quotes :)
15:14 kf             @quote random
15:14 huginn         kf: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
15:14 kf             @quote random
15:14 huginn         kf: Quote #154: "rangi: it's destined to be an eternal mystery" (added by wizzyrea at 04:53 AM, September 15, 2011)
15:16 jcamins        It took quite a while to find a quote added by wizzyrea.
15:16 wizzyrea       some days you ONLY get ones added by me
15:16 wizzyrea       @quote random
15:16 huginn         wizzyrea: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one does not bask in the Potomac River basin...you melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011)
15:16 wizzyrea       but not today
15:16 jcamins        @quote random
15:16 huginn         jcamins: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
15:16 jcamins        @quote random
15:16 huginn         jcamins: Quote #68: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" (added by wizzyrea_laptop at 08:17 PM, March 10, 2010)
15:17 jcamins        There we go, two in a row. Now we're back to normalcy. ;)
15:17 wizzyrea       lulz
15:17 jwagner        Got a bunch from me today....
15:17 wizzyrea       normalcy is relative in our channel ^.^
15:18 jcamins        wizzyrea: I would never claim otherwise.
15:19 sekjal         normalcy is not a word!
15:20 wizzyrea       sekjal that must be a peeve of yours :)
15:20 sekjal         Warren G. Harding just made it up in a speech
15:20 sekjal         Harding!
15:20 wizzyrea       Normality/
15:20 wizzyrea       ?
15:20 sekjal         wizzyrea:  yes, peeve.  Also, people describing something as "addicting"
15:21 wizzyrea       how about nauseous vs nauseated?
15:21 sekjal         oddly enough, that doesn't bother me at all
15:21 wizzyrea       lol
15:21 * sekjal       shrugs
15:21 wizzyrea       <
15:21 wizzyrea       <3
15:26 jcamins        sekjal: you're guest lecturing fifteen minutes away from my house today, aren't you?
15:26 jcamins        Well, apartment building.
15:26 * jcamins      just remembered this.
15:27 sekjal         jcamins: that was last night, actually
15:27 jcamins        How did it go?
15:27 sekjal         it went well, though I didn't get as far into the demo as I would have liked before running out of time
15:27 sekjal         also missed the community meeting
15:28 * jcamins      missed it too, actually. The wireless was malfunctioning.
15:30 jcamins        Glad to hear that it went well, though. :)
15:33 sekjal         yeah, always a fun time presenting to a library school class
15:33 sekjal         got some good questions; they are interested in Koha's plans for RDA and semantic web
15:33 kf             :)
15:33 kf             sekjal: yay :)
15:33 jcamins        Very good question!
15:33 kf             sekjal++
15:35 sekjal         my answer was that first we need metadata independence for both biblios and authorities
15:35 sekjal         then whatever format comes out on top, Koha will be able to handle it as a configuration instead of a code change
15:39 jcamins        Hm. Won't be making that meeting.
16:17 sekjal         must dash to the bus; hopefully back in an hour or so
16:23 reiveune       bye
16:45 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2629: Add diacritic support for Ů (U with ring) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e2f697e3bca3c9068e1864db63d0b112b4273a4>
16:55 trea           it looks like based on the example text for the the itemcallnumber syspref that it can have multiple values cascade. can anyone confirm this?
16:55 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Follow-up fix for Bug 5150 - Issuing should read Circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=55162ca84647b4ebc1b8a91ee94997ff7583ef15> / (bug #4518) enhance 2.2 to 3.0 scripts <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b029a4f5ff378291e86fa55e07841297d611e7> / Bug 4161: Preselect active currency for new vendors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi
16:56 wizzyrea       can you specify several fields for mapping the itemcallnumber to? I'm not sure that example really isn't clear to me.
16:56 wizzyrea       like, is this really an example of what you can put in the field: Examples: Dewey: 082ab or 092ab; LOC: 050ab or 090ab; from the item record: 852hi
16:57 wizzyrea       can you put "082b or 092ab" in the field and it will work?
16:57 wizzyrea       this is a real question, I really have no idea.
16:57 * wizzyrea     grumps about unclear examples.
16:57 jenkins_koha   Starting build 522 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 28 j ago)
16:58 libsysguy      long time no see #Koha
16:58 wizzyrea       heya
16:59 trea           libsysguy?
16:59 wahanui        libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
16:59 trea           wb
16:59 libsysguy      hehe
16:59 libsysguy      gracias
17:00 libsysguy      been deep in some drupal lately :'(
17:00 libsysguy      *eternal sadness*
17:00 francharb      hey all! anyone knows what is the difference between "total allocated" and "base-level allocated" in the aqbudgets.pl page?
17:11 cait           hi again #koha
17:14 paul_p         trea & wizzyrea: 7207 pushed
17:14 wizzyrea       <3 brilliant thanks paul_p
17:14 wizzyrea       paul_p++
17:15 paul_p         wizzyrea: pls, see my comment & double check it's OK
17:15 wizzyrea       u got it
17:15 paul_p         OK, time to go back home for me !
17:15 wizzyrea       k will check ti
17:15 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7207 - Reverting a portion of commit 607b5449bd5cb which breaks the label export... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7824a1bc8da020b11fa9473f09fb7c6429390034>
17:15 paul_p         bye bye world, see you tomorrow !
17:16 wizzyrea       bye :)
17:16 nengard        cait around?
17:16 nengard        I need my reports guru
17:16 nengard        :)
17:16 rangi          @later tell chris_n you will want to pull 7207 i think
17:16 huginn         rangi: The operation succeeded.
17:16 pastebot       "nengard" at 206.130.136.194 pasted "report help" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/121
17:17 nengard        can anyone help me with the above?
17:17 nengard        looking for some brainstorming ideas
17:17 nengard        @later tell cait can you help me with this: http://paste.koha-community.org/121
17:17 huginn         nengard: The operation succeeded.
17:19 cait           I am here :)
17:19 cait           what do you have? :)
17:20 cait           not sure what you want to do
17:20 cait           can you paraphrase?
17:23 cait           nengard?
17:23 wahanui        nengard is fast
17:23 nengard        hi
17:23 wahanui        hola, nengard
17:26 Oak            hello miss cait :)
17:26 cait           hi Oak :)
17:26 cait           how did it go today?
17:27 cait           tomorrow are the last exams, right?
17:27 nengard        cait i put a summary in that paste - but we want a  list of items that are not checked out that are on the shelf at our library  - but the report that works shows holds multiple times because there is no distinct check - so we need to find unique holds using the bib number and the borrowernumber
17:29 Oak            cait today was last. you *really* are bad with dates. :)
17:29 cait           oh
17:29 cait           yes I am
17:29 cait           nengard: I can try, but my database is not good for this
17:29 cait           no holds
17:29 Oak            but you are alright. no worries :D
17:32 vfernandes     hi Koha community :)
17:33 Oak            oh, it went great today cait...
17:33 cait           @wunder Konstanz
17:33 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.3�C (6:30 PM CET on November 16, 2011). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Steady).
17:33 cait           Oak: glad to hear that :)
17:33 Oak            @wunder islamabad
17:33 huginn         Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad Airport, Pakistan is 26.0�C (5:00 PM PKT on November 16, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa.
17:33 Oak            yes :]
17:33 Oak            today was Business Communication...
17:36 vfernandes     people can you help me with a problem.... i'm using koha 3.2.6 and UNIMARC. the problem is that when I search for aquisiction date (advanced search) there are some incorrect result... the searching is including the records which items were loaned or returned on the searching date
17:37 cait           nengard: try grouping by biblionumber, borrowernumber perhaps
17:40 nengard        thanks for the tip
17:41 vfernandes     no one have any idea what can be?
17:42 rangi          i dont use unimarc sorry vfernandes
17:42 vfernandes     but marc21 works fine?
17:44 nengard        cait++
17:44 nengard        I love you!!!
17:44 nengard        Thank you :)
17:44 nengard        got to train now but will share the report on the wiki when i'm done
17:44 cait           yay
17:44 cait           glad it worked
17:46 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #522: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/522/
17:46 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 2629: Add diacritic support for Å® (U with ring)
17:46 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 4161: Preselect active currency for new vendors
17:46 jenkins_koha   * nahuel.angelinetti: (bug #4518) enhance 2.2 to 3.0 scripts
17:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
17:46 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5150 - Issuing should read Circulation
17:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4161 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , When adding Vendor default to active currencies
17:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4518 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Enhance 2.2 to 3.0 scripts
17:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5150 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Issuing should read Circulation
17:46 jenkins_koha   Starting build 523 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 28 j ago)
17:50 druthb         hi, #koha...say howdy to librarians from Bethel University, in Mckenzie, TN!  New Koha library!
17:51 cait           Guten Tag :)
17:51 rangi          hiya Bethel
17:52 * rangi        wanders off to get ready for a new day in NZ
17:52 druthb         :)
17:52 cait           ... cooking dinner now in Germany
17:52 wizzyrea       getting ready for lunch in Kansas
17:53 druthb         :D
17:53 wizzyrea       druthb: got any questions from the folks we can answer?
17:54 druthb         wizzyrea: nope.  Koha is so darn easy to use, they're in love.  :)
17:54 wizzyrea       :D awesome.
17:54 druthb         Cataloging training today...sooooo much better than their current system.
17:54 wizzyrea       we work hard to make it that way ;)
17:56 francharb      bye all!
17:56 francharb      see ya!
17:57 pastebot       "libsysguy" at 129.114.242.85 pasted "Search Question" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/122
17:57 libsysguy      ok so I just got that email
17:57 libsysguy      and I don't really know how to answer it
17:57 jenkins_koha   Starting build 60 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 1 mo. 9 j ago)
17:57 libsysguy      could somebody maybe give me a pointer
17:58 libsysguy      (no pun intended)
17:59 wizzyrea       url of your catalog?
17:59 * druthb       waves
17:59 libsysguy      catalog.uttyler.edu
18:01 wizzyrea       well and even more, it did a stem search for m27 and came up with m277
18:01 wizzyrea       which is how she got that result
18:02 wizzyrea       because it had both of her search strings in it
18:02 libsysguy      yeah that is what I thought
18:02 libsysguy      so it does a search like m27* && B$*
18:02 libsysguy      b4*
18:02 wizzyrea       right
18:03 libsysguy      why an and instead of an or
18:03 wizzyrea       well
18:03 wizzyrea       you would use advanced search if you wanted an or
18:03 wizzyrea       simple search assumes and
18:03 libsysguy      ahh gotcha
18:04 libsysguy      is there a way to not include the wildcards?
18:04 wizzyrea       i am not aware of one
18:04 libsysguy      ok
18:29 rangi          @wunder wellington nz
18:29 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 17, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
18:30 rangi          nice
18:30 wizzyrea       def, it's 4 here
18:30 cait           @wunder Konstanz
18:30 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.4�C (7:25 PM CET on November 16, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Steady).
18:30 maximep        @wunder québec
18:30 cait           !!
18:30 huginn         maximep: Error: No such location could be found.
18:30 maximep        of course :p
18:30 maximep        @wunder montreal
18:30 huginn         maximep: Error: No such location could be found.
18:31 cait           maximep: airport code works better sometime
18:31 wahanui        cait: I can't seem to access my airport data -- perhaps try again later.
18:31 cait           s
18:32 maximep        @wunder yul
18:32 huginn         maximep: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 13.0�C (1:00 PM EST on November 16, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
18:32 maximep        @wunder yqb
18:32 huginn         maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is 7.2�C (1:30 PM EST on November 16, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady).
18:32 maximep        lac st-charles ?? haha
18:33 * rangi        waves from the bus
18:34 rangi          maximep: great blog post about koha on the libeo site
18:34 maximep        ;)
18:34 rangi          I got francois (french canadian who works with me) to translate
18:34 maximep        big things coming soon for koha at libeo
18:34 * wizzyrea     got google to translate
18:35 rangi          very cool
18:35 cait           url?
18:35 wahanui        url is, like, horrid :)
18:35 wizzyrea       http://www.libeo.com/blogue/billet/2011/11/14/koha-le-libre-dans-l-education.html
18:35 rangi          I hope to get to montreal next year
18:37 wizzyrea       libsysguy your opac is purty :)
18:38 cait           maximep: :)
18:38 maximep        have you ever seen the opac of one of our library?
18:38 wizzyrea       maybe?
18:38 wizzyrea       link?
18:38 wahanui        link is probably a bit confusing
18:38 maximep        https://sherbrooke.koha.ccsr.qc.ca/
18:39 rangi          ohh
18:39 wizzyrea       very nice :)
18:39 wizzyrea       hmm
18:39 wizzyrea       I may have to borrow your login box. ^.^
18:39 maximep        thousands of line changes in the code to achieve that
18:39 rangi          let's make a wiki page, really simple, with nice opacs
18:39 cait           hm
18:39 cait           there is one :)
18:39 wizzyrea       ? why so many changes
18:39 wizzyrea       shouldn't be so hard.
18:39 rangi          let's update it then
18:40 maximep        for our 3.6 version we are starting from scratch
18:40 rangi          library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz
18:40 cait           you always learn new things... with each iteration :)
18:40 wizzyrea       mhm
18:40 wizzyrea       well and things change anyway
18:40 cait           I like the footer
18:41 rangi          is only css
18:41 wizzyrea       still loading for me :)
18:41 maximep        same for me
18:41 rangi          its on adsl in small town nz
18:41 maximep        unless 5 viewers is enough to bring it down :p
18:41 rangi          no
18:42 wizzyrea       catalog.nexpresslibrary.org is all css too
18:42 rangi          its just not much pipe
18:45 rangi          rural broadband in a country this size
18:45 rangi          not something the "market" is gonna deliver
18:46 rhcl           cait: are you going to FOSDEM 2012 (Belgium)?
18:46 cait           ah no :)
18:47 cait           looks interesting though
18:48 wizzyrea       same in our area
18:48 wizzyrea       re: broadband
18:49 rangi          my stop
18:49 rangi          bbiab
18:53 wizzyrea       any thoughts about http://screencast.com/t/rzgxJhUyi -- did this change
18:54 cait           hm
18:54 cait           we do that for other things
18:54 cait           like when the patron is debarred
18:54 cait           perhaps making it consistent ?
18:54 cait           what happens when you ry to check out?
18:54 cait           and I wonder... if it was different before
18:55 cait           I seem to rmember it gets hidden
18:57 cait           oh
18:57 * cait         is tired
18:57 cait           wizzyrea: yes, I think it was different sometime before
18:59 rangi          wizzyrea: whats your question?
19:00 rangi          you say if it has expired it will be hidden right?
19:00 rangi          but in your picutre it hasnt expired
19:00 rangi          it says, it will expire soon
19:00 rangi          does it go away on someone who has actually expired?
19:01 rangi          (thats a new feature, warning you someones membership is gonna expire soon)
19:01 cait           ooh
19:01 cait           no
19:01 cait           it's not new
19:01 cait           it#s a syspref
19:01 cait           the one in the opac is new
19:01 cait           and the syspref has a name I never remember
19:01 rangi          yeah but im just trying to clarify what wizzy is asking
19:02 cait           but you are right, it will hide when it is expired, only saying expire soon before
19:02 rangi          because that screencast isnt showing an expired patron
19:02 cait           NotifyBorrowerDeparture
19:03 cait           Show a notice that a patron is about to expire                                                                                                                                                                        days beforehand.
19:03 cait           bad copy & paste
19:05 * cait         goes to hide on the couch
19:15 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #523: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 28 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/523/
19:15 jenkins_koha   cnighswonger: Bug 7207 - Reverting a portion of commit 607b5449bd5cb which breaks the label export script.
19:15 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7207 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Cannot export label batches
19:18 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.4.x build #60: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 21 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/60/
19:18 jenkins_koha   * ian.walls: Bug 2629: Add diacritic support for Å® (U with ring)
19:18 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 4161: Preselect active currency for new vendors
19:18 jenkins_koha   * nahuel.angelinetti: (bug #4518) enhance 2.2 to 3.0 scripts
19:18 jenkins_koha   * cnighswonger: Bug 7207 - Reverting a portion of commit 607b5449bd5cb which breaks the label export script.
19:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2629 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
19:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4161 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , When adding Vendor default to active currencies
19:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4518 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Enhance 2.2 to 3.0 scripts
19:19 rangi          http://sdcdelhi.blogspot.com/2011/11/koha-workshop-on-occasion-of-saarc.html
19:27 jenkins_koha   Starting build 1 for job Koha_3.6.x
20:08 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #1: UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/1/
20:32 maximep        the discussion about a mobile version of koha that spawned from a question of our client is pretty interesting
20:32 maximep        http://catalogo.pusc.it/mobile/ is great imo
20:39 jcamins_ans    Hello, #koha.
20:39 jcamins_ans    Demonstrating the Koha IRC channel to the new cataloger at the ANS.
20:39 jcamins_ans    Say hi!
20:39 rhcl           Hi new cataloger!
20:39 trea           hello catalogers. o/
20:40 chrisdothall   \o/
20:41 maximep        hey =)
20:42 wizzyrea       yes, hi, sorry you were right rangi - it was an expire soon thing
20:42 wizzyrea       reading fail
20:43 rangi          :-)
20:44 rangi          phew
20:44 wizzyrea       this, ladies and gentlemen, is what happens when you don't look at the screenshot carefully enough.
20:45 rangi          im just glad it wasnt a regression
20:45 * wizzyrea     too
20:53 aarkerio       hi! I am looking for an analytic record "template"
20:53 aarkerio       I mean, I don't know what AR "looks like"
21:00 anathemizatu   Hello everybody
21:01 wizzyrea       hi
21:02 anathemizatu   I have a problem with Zebra indexation. Could someone help me with understanding the output of zebra-rebuild? http://pastebin.com/DpAxZ2xT
21:03 anathemizatu   I find that the messages from row 107 to 111 are strange
21:04 rangi          anathemizatu: what version of koha?
21:04 rangi          3.4.something?
21:04 rangi          what that usually  means is that one of the records is too long marc has a byte limit
21:05 rangi          so call it with -x
21:05 anathemizatu   Koha 3.4.5
21:05 rangi          to say use marcxml
21:05 rangi          koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v -b -x libtest2
21:05 rangi          like that
21:05 rangi          marcxml doesnt suffer from the same limit as raw marc does
21:06 rangi          the bib numbers are stored in 999
21:06 rangi          so if the record is too long, often they get truncated, so usually this is a sign of that happening
21:06 anathemizatu   When I do koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v -x -b libtest2 I get the following error:Cannot specify both -a and -x Please do '/usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl --help' to see usage.
21:06 rangi          hmm
21:07 rangi          maybe that was fixed post 3.4.5
21:07 rangi          because in 3.6.0 at least it doesnt pass the -x to the authorities bit
21:07 rangi          did it at least build the full biblio index before that
21:08 rangi          in master and 3.6
21:08 rangi          it does
21:08 rangi          run_zebra $name -b $opt_idx $opt_xml $opts_other
21:08 rangi          then
21:08 rangi          run_zebra $name -a $opt_idx $opts_other
21:09 anathemizatu   It seems like it did, but anyway the same errors appear http://pastebin.com/CDrsZULG
21:09 anathemizatu   row 41-42
21:09 rangi          right, in that case, it looks like you have a busted record
21:10 rangi          in mysql, take a look at the marcxml column of biblioitems
21:10 * trea         can't seem to recall if barcode prefixes can be speficied in koha, and what the name of it's syspref is. Anyone know?
21:11 rangi          trea: the only ones i know are autoBarcode and itemBarcodeInputFilter
21:11 trea           that's what i was guessing as well, rangi
21:12 rangi          http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/11/17/tonsils-and-adenoids-are-gone/  <-- the alt tag is for those old enough to get it
21:12 wizzyrea       hehe
21:14 anathemizatu   rangi: I've got a subfield like this: <subfield code="5">Test �??�?p??�??????????</subfield>
21:14 anathemizatu   Is this it?
21:14 rangi          unlikely, but that doesnt look pretty
21:15 rangi          actually yeah that might be it
21:15 rangi          does it have a 999 field ?
21:15 rangi          with a c and d subfield?
21:16 anathemizatu   No, it is is 200 field
21:16 anathemizatu   with 5, a, e subfields
21:16 anathemizatu   Should I check for a 999 field?
21:23 eternalsw      I'm upgrading to 3.6 (not really an upgrade as I'm setting it up on a new machine).  I cannot get the zebra search daemon to start.  I have checked and scripts are in same location on both machines.  I have set up the same koha user and the same site configuration.  I get no error message, the daemon just refuses to start.  I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but am about out of ideas.
21:24 eternalsw      I'm on debian.
21:25 rangi          anathemizatu: yes
21:25 rangi          eternalsw: using the packages or an install from tarball?
21:30 eternalsw      install from tarball
21:31 rangi          hmm
21:31 rangi          then i dont know off the top of my head im afraid
21:31 eternalsw      I copied all of the debian/scripts to /usr/sbin and set up koha-common crons and init.d
21:32 eternalsw      the rebuild worked flawlessly.
21:32 rangi          oh so you were using the packages originally?
21:32 rangi          cos those scripts are all for use with the packaged version
21:33 eternalsw      hmm, maybe I need to go that route then.
21:33 rangi          and some may, and some probably won't work with a version not installed using them
21:33 rangi          for the tarball
21:33 rangi          you need to follow the instructiosn in INSTALL.debian
21:33 rangi          and set up the init.d and cron jobs etc that way
21:34 rangi          misc/cronjobs/crontab.example gives you an example
21:34 rangi          conversly
21:34 rangi          http://debian.koha-community.org/ you can install the koha-common package
21:34 eternalsw      I switched away from that because that wasn't working either.  Let me try those again.
21:35 rangi          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
21:39 maximep        manual?
21:39 wahanui        manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
21:40 eternalsw      rangi, must have had permissions wrong before.  working fine now with tarball script.  thanks for the info.
21:41 rangi          sweet
21:41 rangi          no worries
21:41 rangi          i recommend the packages for the future installs tho
21:42 rangi          apt-get upgrade is a lot easier ;-)
21:43 eternalsw      we have a custom cutter table that I added to the last install.  using the tarball makes adding that easier.  though I suppose I should really use git :P
21:45 rangi          oh we provide scripts to build a package too :)
21:45 rangi          ./debian/build-git-snapshot -r /tmp
21:46 rangi          :)
21:46 rangi          just fyi
22:10 aarkerio       hi!  is this a valid MARC format:
22:10 aarkerio       http://mononeurona.org/entries/view/aarkerio/17689
23:02 rangi          hmm
23:02 rangi          i want to shift the SIPconfig.xml out of C4 into etc/
23:02 rangi          any objecttions?
23:02 rangi          ttt
23:03 wizzyrea       that makes sense to me - but will it mess it up for people running SIP now?
23:04 rangi          shouldnt nope
23:04 rangi          id hope that ppl
23:04 rangi          have moved it already
23:04 rangi          but if not, will still work
23:04 rangi          (if they havent moved it already and upgrade would trash their version with the ones in the tarball/git/packages)
23:05 rangi          so thsi would actually make it safer to upgrade :)
23:05 rangi          cos an upgrade will stomp all over whatever you have in C4/
23:05 sekjal         rangi:  YES
23:05 rangi          but not what is in you koha-dev/etc or /etc dir
23:05 rangi          sekjal: you object?
23:06 sekjal         rangi:  no, no, I'm very eager for you to do it
23:06 rangi          cool
23:06 rangi          bug 7238
23:06 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7238 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , The SIPconfig.xml is stored in the C4/SIP dir
23:06 sekjal         sorry, my response was unclear given later lines
23:06 rangi          i need to set up a sip for another client today
23:06 rangi          so ill do it now
23:08 dani           Hello!
23:08 rangi          hiya dani
23:09 * dani         feels like she tried to take a drink from a firehose today.
23:16 rangi          long day?
23:20 dani           yeah. Full day of new employee orientation.
23:21 rangi          ahhh
23:26 dani           So I've now officially exited academia (for the past 15+ years I've been doing IT in that arena) and now work for SAS.
23:29 chris_n        +1 to the sip config file move fwiw
23:36 rangi          dani: ohh that'll be a bit of a change
23:39 dani           Yeah, a bit.
23:39 dani           But I'm looking forward to it.
23:44 Phlunk3        hey guys, we're just looking at setting up a couple of laptops with koha hosted locally on them for the purpose of introducing them to a couple of more councils in fiji and preferably will buy some second hand laptops for this purpose, does anyone have some idea on the minimum specs which we should be looking for?
23:45 rangi          go for as much ram as is affordable
23:45 rangi          the rest doesnt matter so much
23:46 rangi          im assuming the laptop will be acting as client and server? ie running a full X etc?
23:46 rangi          or just as a server?
23:56 huginn         New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6303] Display Organisation and Parent Organisation names when viewing a borrower of type organistaion <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6303>