Time  Nick         Message
00:00 eythian      cait: you're up late?
00:00 cait         :P
05:57 stuartyeates rangi: I'll be at lconz briefly (for the Māori Subject Headings talk) if you want to catch up. Or you may be busy
06:04 magnuse      kia ora #koha
06:08 stuartyeates kia ora magnuse, kei te pēhea koe?
06:08 magnuse      um, sorry?
06:09 eythian      hi magnuse
06:10 magnuse      hiya eythian
06:10 magnuse      congrats on the rugby!
06:11 eythian      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU <-- this is my general opinion on the subject :)
06:14 magnuse      good for you, eythian ;-)
06:14 eythian      hehe
06:14 magnuse      i'm with you, btw
06:14 eythian      excellent :)
06:14 stuartyeates eythian: just like that, but with odd-shaped balls
06:15 eythian      stuartyeates: you should see a doctor, maybe? ;)
06:15 magnuse      lol!
06:17 * eythian    is of the opinion that vim needs a ':write-my-presentation' function.
06:17 eythian      I bet emacs has one.
06:17 magnuse      then vim should have it too
06:18 stuartyeates i'm currently deciding whether to find myself work at a campus library with windows overlooking the ticker-tape parade route tomorrow
06:18 magnuse      sounds like a good plan
06:20 eythian      I think they just miss where I am. I should note what time it happens so I don't get caught up in it when I go to lunch.
06:20 magnuse      even better plan ;-)
06:26 alex_a       hello
06:26 eythian      Speaking of better plans, I'm going to go take my laptop somewhere with fresh beer and get some presentation writing done there.
06:27 magnuse      good luck eythian
06:28 eythian      ta :)
06:51 reiveune     hello
06:52 stuartyeates hello reiveune
06:52 reiveune     :)
07:07 magnuse      bonjour france
07:08 hdl          hi magnuse
07:08 magnuse      hiya hdl
07:09 rangi        `
07:09 magnuse      '
07:12 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:12 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (8:50 AM CEST on October 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
07:13 sophie_m1    hello magnuse
07:13 magnuse      bonjour sophie_m1
07:13 asaurat      hi all
07:14 magnuse      hi asaurat
07:25 paul_p       hello everybody
07:25 paul_p       rangi: around ?
07:29 magnuse      kia ora paul_p
07:31 paul_p       hello magnuse
08:22 magnuse      ooh, jransom reporting from india on twitter: "Sun sand mango lassi seafood masala"
08:46 cait         hi #koha
09:08 stuartyeates the new note is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n8AJTpsfhOYgpER1ZarMfckZZpHHo55OB4DA7uoYU9Q/edit?hl=en_GB
09:09 stuartyeates oops, sorry, wrong channel
09:29 magnuse      guten tag cait
09:39 cait         hi magnuse :)
09:40 magnuse      :-)
09:58 jcamins_away cait: around?
09:59 magnuse      1 year ago today since kohacon10 started!
09:59 cait         yep
09:59 cait         magnuse: don't make me sad!
10:00 magnuse      cait: happy memories!
10:56 kohanew      on holding a book on OPAC I am having this error "Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold."
10:57 kohanew      book multiple copies available & showing on OPAC...
10:57 jcamins      kohanew: that means you need to adjust your circulation matrix, and add a circ rule to allow the items to be placed on hold.
11:06 kohanew      jcamins: many thanks for your help its working now..
11:07 jcamins      Hooray!
11:10 cait         jcamins++
11:11 jcamins      @karma
11:11 huginn       jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (423), "oleonard" (337), and "gmcharlt" (266).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-107), "failed" (-67), and "-" (-37).  You (jcamins) are ranked 12 out of 1750.
11:11 jcamins      Wow! 12 out of 1750?
11:11 jcamins      @karma jcamins_away
11:11 huginn       jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8.
11:11 jcamins      @karma jcamins
11:11 huginn       jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 105 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 104.
11:12 * jcamins    likes the fact that <! has the lowest karma.
11:19 cait         :)
11:22 liw          @karma liw
11:22 huginn       liw: Karma for "liw" has been increased 18 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 18.
11:22 liw          I don't even do anything for Koha :)
11:22 liw          and I'm still better than XML comments
11:27 cait         you are a lot better than the old comments :)
11:27 cait         and you started the packages :)
11:28 jcamins      liw++
11:28 cait         liw++
11:28 cait         @wunder Reutlingen
11:28 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 11.2�C (1:27 PM CEST on October 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 28.35 in 959.9 hPa (Steady).
11:43 magnuse      liw++
11:43 magnuse      @wunder boo
11:43 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (1:20 PM CEST on October 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
11:43 cait         @wunder Konstanz
11:43 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.2�C (1:39 PM CEST on October 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Steady).
11:44 magnuse      @wunder stavanger, norway
11:44 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Stavanger, Norway is 12.0�C (1:20 PM CEST on October 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
11:56 * Oak        waves
11:57 cait         hi Oak
12:04 magnuse      Oak
12:16 oleonard     Hi #koha
12:20 * oleonard   wonders why his new vendors are being added with null ids
12:23 jcamins      oleonard: strong egos?
12:23 oleonard     :P
12:24 oleonard     So jcamins, are you up to anything fun lately?
12:25 cait         oleonard: ouch
12:25 cait         oleonard: I filed a bug about search in acq - if you would take a look at that too it would be appreciated
12:26 cait         not a lot of people testing acq
12:26 * oleonard   dropped the table and re-added it from kohastructure.sql and it seems to work now
12:27 jcamins      oleonard: "fun"? Well, I'm in the process of buying an apartment (hopefully).
12:27 jcamins      Not so fun.
12:31 jcamins      Also some cataloging, which is more fun. :)
12:36 * oleonard   is not much of a city boy, so the phrase "buying an apartment" sounds weird
12:36 jcamins      It does to me, too.
12:38 magnuse      not to me ;-)
12:44 magnuse      hiya nengard!
12:45 nengard      hello
12:45 wahanui      hey, nengard
12:47 Oak          magnuse
12:48 magnuse      :-)
12:48 Oak          hello cait
12:48 Oak          :-)
12:48 cait         hi Oak :)
12:57 magnuse      kia ora trea
13:01 trea         hi manguse
13:12 oleonard     cait: Did you do any investigation of the SQL generated by an order search?
13:12 cait         I am not sure how to do it :(
13:12 cait         I checked the logs
13:12 cait         but they were empty
13:13 oleonard     I get the same results as you: A search from the quick search form works, a search from the advanced search doesn't
13:13 cait         oleonard: hm and least you can reproduce
13:13 cait         nicole said it worked for her yesterday
13:14 cait         but not sure which title search she used
13:14 cait         could you update the bug? give it another little push?
13:14 cait         this is really annoying
13:14 * oleonard   is going to do some more investigation
13:15 cait         thx oleonard
13:15 cait         are you planning to use acq?
13:15 vfernandes   Hi Koha community
13:15 cait         i would really appreaciate if you could add your personal touch to the basket groups page
13:15 cait         hi vfernandes
13:16 oleonard     I've looked at it before, but I was confused about how it worked or what it was supposed to do
13:16 oleonard     I'd be happy to look again sometime
13:16 cait         I can explain how it works if that helps :)
13:16 cait         lots of css in the template
13:18 oleonard     If you have AcqCreateItem  set to create an item when placing an order and you don't fill out the add item form you get a nasty error
13:18 cait         ah
13:18 cait         yes
13:18 cait         that's old
13:19 cait         you need at least an item type
13:19 cait         all other things you can leave empty
13:19 cait         I keep filing bugs for acq... but noone cares
13:21 vfernandes   which is the best way to change the code of one document type that is already in use?
13:22 cait         oleonard: bug 495
13:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=495 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Omit numbers from marc_word table
13:22 paul_p       cait: the good news is that we will start upgrading our customers in 3.6 in the next weeks/months, so we will have to deal with those bugs
13:22 cait         bug 4955
13:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4955 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , adding to basket with no item throws error
13:22 oleonard     Ah, critical no less :)
13:22 cait         paul_p: it's been broken for a long time, I am a bit frustrated
13:22 cait         and the prospect of some more weeks/months is not helping :(
13:24 paul_p       cait: for this one, we don't face it, because we have default/mandatory values at least for branch field.
13:24 cait         our library is quite unhappy with it and I had hoped things would be better with 3.6 - but while testing yesterday and today I find so many things still broken
13:25 paul_p       (why would one have AcqCreateItems=ordering and nothing entered as item ?)
13:25 cait         bug 6893
13:25 wahanui      bug 6893 is, like, evil :(
13:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6893 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Order from suggestion does not remove suggestion from 'accepted' list
13:25 cait         wahanui botsnack cookie
13:25 wahanui      :)
13:25 oleonard     paul_p: People don't always want to do things the same way. We shouldn't make assumptions
13:26 cait         paul_p: the problem is people forget to enter things
13:26 oleonard     ...particularly not when our assumptions can lead to errors. We should always cover error-handling.
13:26 cait         paul_p: and, if you have clicked the plus sign, and leave one item form empty... booom!
13:26 paul_p       oleonard: I agree. But i'd like to know what is the logic behind it. Sometimes it's also because there's no logic
13:26 cait         paul_p: and i don't have to mention that the - (minus) sign that used to be there to remove an accidently added item is broken currently too
13:27 magnuse      would it help to make necessary fields mandatory?
13:27 paul_p       cait: as I said = in our setup, this cannot happen because the branch is mandatory, so it's filled even if the library enter nothing
13:27 cait         paul_p: I can try that for the library, this bug is not so terrible as others
13:28 cait         bug 6740
13:28 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6740 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , can add items at ordering but not remove items
13:28 oleonard     cait: This orders search thing seems to come and go
13:29 oleonard     Wow, could it really be that the bug only manifests where there is only one order?
13:29 cait         hm
13:30 cait         werid but could be the case?
13:30 cait         I have a talent for finding things like that
13:34 oleonard     No, never mind. With two orders I can find one but not the other
13:35 cait         oleonard: same here
13:37 Oak          hm, detective work in progress. cool.
13:39 cait         oleonard++ :)
13:40 cait         Oak: there is another gbsd soon - want to learn how to sign off on things? ;)
13:43 vfernandes   there is any script to update the marcxml of biblioitems table after changing one column of biblioitem table directly on the database
13:43 vfernandes   ??
13:46 jcamins      vfernandes: not to my knowledge.
13:47 jcamins      vfernandes: changing the database directly sounds like a terrible idea, for the record.
13:47 oleonard     I don't get it. The query generated by the successful and unsuccessful searches are the same.
13:48 vfernandes   jcamins i need to change the code of one document type, so the code must be updated in the biblioitems and items
13:49 jcamins      vfernandes: I think you have to write a script to do that.
13:49 vfernandes   for items there is a sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl which synchronized the data of items table with the biblioitem marcxml
13:50 vfernandes   for biblioitems there isn't nothing to sync the marcxml
13:52 jcamins      vfernandes: yes, because editing the database directly would be considered dangerous.
13:52 jcamins      vfernandes: I don't think there's any way to do what you want other than writing a script yourself to make the change.
13:53 vfernandes   yes i know that is dangerous...
13:53 cait         perhaps exporting your marc data and reimportant that would work better?
13:54 vfernandes   the itemtype is only used in the following tables of database: biblioitems, items, issuinrules, deletedbiblioitems, deleteditems and itemtypes
13:55 jcamins      vfernandes: also, sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl doesn't apply to 3.4 or 3.6.
13:55 jcamins      ^^ good idea
13:55 vfernandes   i'm using 3.2.6 and UNIMARC so sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl works fine...
13:56 vfernandes   i'll do a script to sync the biblioitems info with the marcxml
13:59 oleonard     Acquisition.pm builds the order search sql by checking "if ( defined $title )" and "if ( defined $author )" etc.
13:59 vfernandes   thanks ppl for the help :)
13:59 oleonard     If I change that to "if ($title)", etc. it seems to work.
13:59 cait         oleonard: werid
13:59 cait         weird even
14:01 oleonard     But I'm not sure how the two syntaxes differ technically
14:02 cait         me neither :(
14:02 cait         google?
14:02 wahanui      well, google is not a web browser, it's a search engine company.
14:04 magnuse      http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/defined.html
14:05 oleonard     cait, I'm guessing it's correct because the SQL generated is correct, omitting the fields which were submitted with no value
14:06 oleonard     ...whereas before the SQL included checks on author, isbn, etc even though I didn't submit anything in those fields
14:07 cait         that sounds reasonable
14:07 cait         oleonard++
14:07 oleonard     the only thing it doesn't explain is why the one query worked and the other didn't
14:08 oleonard     I'll update the bug
14:08 cait         thank you :)
14:08 cait         but no patch with your little change?
14:09 oleonard     I can send the patch and hope someone will smack it down if I'm wrong
14:09 cait         we have a qa team for that :P
14:10 * oleonard   just hates to have his knuckles rapped with a ruler like that
14:12 magnuse      http://www.foo.be/docs/tpj/issues/vol4_2/tpj0402-0002.html
14:13 magnuse      i *think* that in perl if you have $title = "", then
14:13 magnuse      if ( defined $title ) => true
14:13 magnuse      if ($title) => false
14:14 magnuse      because when it's set to "", it *is* defined, but "" is counted as false
14:14 oleonard     http://www.neverworkintheory.org/?p=197
14:14 oleonard     "Perl users were unable to write programs more accurately than those using a language designed by chance"
14:14 nengard      got a question - did i just find a bug?
14:15 oleonard     nengard: Yes.
14:15 nengard      I have AllowRenewalLimitOverride  set to allow and the renew checkbox is always there
14:15 nengard      even if i don't click the override checkbox at the bottom
14:15 nengard      and if the book is on hold it never ever gives me the checkbox to renew
14:15 nengard      and i don't think i'm making any sense
14:20 * oleonard   sends a patch to the patches list and then wonders if he wasn't supposed to
14:21 nengard      you're supposed to
14:21 nengard      just not signed off patches
14:21 wizzyrea     naw, original patches go to the list
14:21 wizzyrea     what she said
14:22 cait         oleonard: I think new patches is ok, it was only for sign-offs
14:22 magnuse      what they said
14:22 nengard      hehe
14:22 nengard      echo echo echo
14:22 magnuse      :-)
14:22 Oak          cait, yes!
14:23 wizzyrea     nengard: I think that when you go to check out the book to the same patron again, it says "item is on hold, override renew?"
14:23 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7085] Problems with searching for orders in acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7085>
14:23 Oak          sorry, i was away
14:23 nengard      wizzyrea - i'll try - but it used to show a checkbox
14:23 cait         yeah, i should read all of it too before answering :)
14:23 wizzyrea     i'm not so sure that's true - the checkboxes have always been sketchy
14:24 nengard      nope wizzyrea it didn't prompt me to check out anyway
14:24 wizzyrea     then yea, it's probably a big
14:24 wizzyrea     bug
14:24 wizzyrea     not a big bug, just a regular one :P
14:24 Oak          a big bug
14:24 * wizzyrea   stops talking.
14:24 Oak          oh okay
14:24 nengard      Bug 7088 reported
14:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7088 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , renewal overriding funky
14:24 nengard      sorry the title isn't better
14:24 wizzyrea     hehe
14:25 nengard      i have no idea how to describe this
14:25 wizzyrea     we all need some funky in our lives.
14:25 wizzyrea     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDZFf0pm0SE
14:25 wizzyrea     with extra funk
14:26 oleonard     In order to test, one of the items I have checked out should be on hold for someone else?
14:26 * magnuse    prefers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyvxHL5hLfE
14:27 wizzyrea     lol
14:27 wizzyrea     that is beyond my imagination.
14:27 magnuse      heh
14:28 wizzyrea     where's trea, he would love that.
14:29 trea         mmm?
14:29 wizzyrea     click that last link from magnuse
14:29 oleonard     nengard: The bug happens when I'm in circ, looking at a checked-out item which is on hold for someone else?
14:29 nengard      yes
14:30 trea         *thumbs up*
14:30 wizzyrea     with AllowRenewalLimitOverride on
14:30 magnuse      yay
14:30 oleonard     nengard: And then what?
14:30 oleonard     Oh, I check "override renewal limit" and the checkbox doesn't appear?
14:31 nengard      i was reading things a big wrong - i thought the 0 (zero) was saying no renewals allowed - but it was saying renewed 0 times ? let me update the bug
14:32 nengard      bug 7088
14:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7088 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , cannot renew items on hold even with override
14:32 nengard      real title now :)
14:32 cait         oleonard++
14:32 magnus_afk   oleonard++
14:33 hdl          anyone having that kind of message on install :
14:33 hdl          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:33 hdl          ERROR: Cannot copy 'misc/translator/' to 'blib/INTRANET_TMPL_DIR/prog/fr-FR/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-undecided.gif': est un dossier
14:33 hdl          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:33 hdl          ?
14:34 cait         hm
14:34 cait         running the translate install command?
14:35 cait         I had tested a new install for german that seemed working nicely
14:35 magnus_afk   never seen that
14:36 magnus_afk   trying to copy a folder to a gif? weird!
14:36 * magnus_afk wanders off
14:38 hdl          cait: no: it is only a make install.
14:38 hdl          Which goes wild.
14:39 hdl          (dev install) But it should work
14:39 hdl          and it crash.
14:42 cait         hmm
14:42 cait         but make does not take care of translations I think?
14:44 slef         magnus_afk wants people to use Google :(
14:45 slef         (GBSD email)
14:45 * magnus_afk said "or something" and is always open to better suggestions
14:46 oleonard     google works fine for people who use google
14:46 wizzyrea     any thoughts on what would cause an entry in reserves to have no biblionumber and no itemnumber?
14:46 nengard      deleting the bib record and item record after the hold was placed?
14:46 nengard      no ? i guess that wouldn't touch the reserves table
14:47 wizzyrea     even things with status like "waiting?!"
14:47 nengard      hmmm
14:47 wizzyrea     oh, the ones that have no bib# but are waiting have an itemnumber
14:47 nengard      yeah seems unlikely
14:48 wizzyrea     I have 72 of these such entries in my database
14:48 wizzyrea     many since coming on to 3.3
14:48 wizzyrea     all but 4, actually
14:49 oleonard     I don't see any in our production database
14:49 wizzyrea     hmm
14:49 slef         magnus_afk: yeah, you suggest a closed tool, which most FOSS users don't know exactly what it does, so pushing them into the alternatives trap. :(
14:50 wizzyrea     deleting a bib could do it I guess
14:51 wizzyrea     wow that's a mystery
14:55 magnus_afk   slef: what would you recommend, then??
14:56 slef         magnus_afk: I don't know what you're trying to do!
14:56 slef         magnus_afk: see email reply.
14:56 wizzyrea     hangout is multi user video conferencing.
14:57 wizzyrea     VOIP
14:57 wizzyrea     + video
14:58 libsysguy    i love using hangout
15:03 wizzyrea     i'm not aware of a similar open solution
15:03 wizzyrea     but if anyone could find one, it would be slef :)
15:03 slef         jitsi?
15:05 wizzyrea     requires a client, hangout is web based, but a good alternative to skype for sure
15:05 slef         I didn't think web browsers could read video yet?
15:06 slef         there is a similar open protocol (multi-user jingle) which I'm sure Google could complete relatively quickly, but they've done their own private system first.
15:06 slef         Oh wait... is hangout part of Google+?
15:07 libsysguy    yeah it is slef
15:07 slef         Oh well, that's something. I thought they'd launched a second Google video conferencing system for a few minutes there.
15:08 libsysguy    haha yeah you should try it out...its actually really cool...i run it on my phone sometimes
15:08 libsysguy    works better than facetime :p
15:08 slef         I'll be quite surprised if hangout doesn't require a flash client to send video.
15:08 wizzyrea     java maybe?
15:08 wizzyrea     it's been a while since I set it up
15:08 libsysguy    its their own driver-ish install
15:09 libsysguy    works off the same thing gtalk video does
15:09 libsysguy    where you can chat in gamil
15:09 slef         point is, all the video-sending tools need clients
15:09 libsysguy    gmail*
15:10 oleonard     Weird, I can't find a previous state where that "override renewal limit" checkbox worked even though I know it did
15:11 paul_p       oleonard: rel_3_8 is here ;-)
15:11 paul_p       (instead of Rel_3_8)
15:11 oleonard     :D
15:11 * paul_p     discovering the admin section of bugzilla. Handy and powerfull...
15:13 wizzyrea     bugzilla does a ton of stuff
15:14 paul_p       wizzyrea: yep, i'm playing with versions ;-)
15:14 paul_p       (all ENH attached to master instead of rel_3_8. Will be switched to 3_8 once they are pushed)
15:14 wizzyrea     hm, with jitsi, you have to have or know a SIP service to connect to
15:14 wizzyrea     to do video or voip
15:20 ago          Hi #koha!  My name is Albert Oller and I've just joined Bywater Solutions.  I don't know anything yet, but I hope to be contributing soon.
15:20 reiveune     bye
15:20 slef         wizzyrea: sure, but we all have one, right? ;-) (if not, iptel.org and voipuser.org are two)
15:20 Danielle     \o
15:20 wizzyrea     hi ago
15:20 wizzyrea     slef: I'd guess fewer of us have one than have a google plus account :P
15:21 wizzyrea     (do note, I'm not arguing with you really - of course we should prefer open solutions. Sometimes it's just not *practical*)
15:23 Danielle     ago: Congratulations!
15:24 * Danielle   gets her references off to her new employer.
15:24 slef         wizzyrea: probably. Because many Open Source users are frogs who happily keep sitting in the water ;-)
15:24 slef         Danielle: references or referees?
15:27 Danielle     slef: Sometimes it feels like both.
15:28 oleonard     Welcome, ago
15:29 Danielle     The list consists of a coworker, my manager at my last employer, and my current manager. My new employer requires that at least two of the references be current or former managers.
15:32 cait         agi: hi and welcome :)
15:33 cait         hm ago.. sorry
15:34 oleonard     Danielle: So no stealth job changes eh?
15:34 slef         Danielle: yeah, I'd call them referees. What they send are references.
15:34 wizzyrea     i wish there was something like catchfree.com for FOSS projects
15:34 wizzyrea     is there one?
15:35 Danielle     slef: True enough.
15:35 Danielle     oleonard: That has double meaning for me... :)
15:38 slef         wizzyrea: not as flashy but FSF/UNESCO directory, freshmeat, maybe alternativeto.net (but free there = cost-free)
15:38 wizzyrea     yea I just looked at alternativeto
15:39 wizzyrea     i like the ratings thing on catchfree.com, handy
15:39 ago          <cait>: I've been called worse.
15:41 * oleonard   has never heard the name Oller before
15:43 cait         <cait>?
15:43 cait         it sounds a bit german :)
15:47 cait         ok, have to leave :) bye all!
15:49 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6894] Order from suggestion defaulting to wrong currency <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6894>
15:55 nengard      um ? did someone close the ticket on patron attributes not being editable/addable? I can't find it anymore
16:00 slef         @query patron attributes
16:00 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2847 normal, P1, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use HTML escape in templates where appropriate
16:00 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4418 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Enable required option for patron attributes
16:00 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5272 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't import just patron attributes
16:00 nengard      nevermind
16:00 nengard      found it
16:00 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
16:00 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5161 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , patron attributes clearing if error
16:00 nengard      slef it was closed
16:00 nengard      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6930
16:00 huginn       04Bug 6930: critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, can't add patron attributes anymore
16:00 slef         was it fixed?
16:28 nengard      slef yes, sorry
16:30 slef         ok, cool
16:33 francharb    bye
17:04 oleonard     Bug 5083 isn't valid anymore is it, given that we no longer bundle all languages? (isn't that right?)
17:04 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5083 normal, P5, ---, chris, NEW , Some source files lack on ca-VA tree distribution
18:02 wizzyrea     sql report library?
18:02 wahanui      sql report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
18:02 wizzyrea     lazy me.
18:02 nengard      wizzyrea - i can be even lazier - i have firefox remember my history so all i type is sql and it pops up :)
18:02 wizzyrea     hehe
18:10 * oleonard   loves the awesome bar
18:10 wizzyrea     speak to me of this "awesome bar"
18:11 oleonard     It's what Mozilla calls the location bar now that it pulls up history, bookmarks, etc.
18:11 wizzyrea     aha
18:12 nengard      http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2008/04/21/a-little-something-awesome-about-firefox-3/
18:12 nengard      i didn't know that either
18:12 wizzyrea     huh. "awesome" :)
18:15 slef         aka the battery-draining CPU hog ;)
18:16 slef         but when you need it, it's a useful feature
18:17 * wizzyrea   muppet arms about privacy
18:17 * wizzyrea   sits down
18:20 slef         heh
18:20 slef         I hadn't even thought about the privacy bit
18:20 slef         but my computer's relatively secure anyway
18:21 wizzyrea     rather like this: http://www.gifmania.co.uk/tv-series/muppet-show/kerm.gif
18:21 jwagner      I frankly loathe the "awesome" bar to the extent that the first plugin I loaded was Old Location Bar -- to make it work as it used to.
18:24 slef         heh, guess one of my machines needs its git config updating: "The following message to <patches@koha.org> was undeliverable. The reason for the problem: 5.4.7 - Delivery expired (message too old) 'timeout'"
18:24 slef
18:37 cait         hi #koha
18:37 wizzyrea     wb cait
18:39 oleonard     cait, maybe you know the answer to this
18:39 oleonard     Bug 5083 isn't valid anymore is it, given that we no longer bundle all languages? (isn't that right?)
18:39 wahanui      i already had it that way, oleonard.
18:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5083 normal, P5, ---, chris, NEW , Some source files lack on ca-VA tree distribution
18:39 cait         let me read the bus
18:40 cait         bug
18:43 cait         oleonard: broken po files I think
18:43 cait         if you  have errors in the po files, not all template files are created
18:43 cait         when you run the script
18:43 cait         and we still bundle them
18:44 cait         the languages :)
18:45 cait         ok
18:45 cait         correction
18:45 cait         we only bundle the po files, not the template files
18:46 cait         oleonard: sorry, I just got home, want me to answer on the bug?
18:46 cait         if it's 3.0 ther is not much we can do to fix it now
18:46 cait         so I would suggest fixing the po files using poedit (we don't have 3.0 on pootle now)
18:47 oleonard     If it's necessarily 3.0-related then we can just WONTFIX it. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't still valid for a current version
19:09 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6832] Validation of total > budget in neworderempty <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6832>
19:10 smeagol      Does anyone know of a good, cheap cloud to store about 2 terrabytes of data?
19:11 smeagol      terabytes
19:11 smeagol      terrorbytes?
19:11 wizzyrea     hehe
19:13 * oleonard   would hesitate to entrust 2 terabytes to anyone described as "cheap"
19:14 cait         oleonard: commented
19:14 cait         magnuse++
19:22 rhcl         smeagol: a NAS out of the question? I've been pretty happy with our Seagate BlackArmor NAS 440
19:23 rhcl         Ubuntu One is good for smaller storage. https://one.ubuntu.com/
19:37 * wizzyrea   has 2TB on her desk, just sayin
19:49 smeagol      inexpensive..i should say..
19:50 rhcl         sounded to me like wizzyrea was offering... just sayin
19:50 wizzyrea     haha
19:51 wizzyrea     it'd cost a lot to get here ;)
19:51 oleonard     Just write out the data on a postcard and she'll transcribe it.
19:52 smeagol      Yeah, well we're thinking for disaster recovery, put the data in the cloud and forget about it kind of thing..
19:52 rhcl         oh, but write it out in binary for machine efficiency
19:53 smeagol      Just found out though that Amazon charges an arm and two legs if you need the data back!!!
19:54 rhcl         yea, gotta watch the data transfers w/ Amazon, but really their prices aren't out of line for quality data storage
19:56 smeagol      true
19:59 smeagol      Guess I'm not looking for the caddilac version..maybe the Buick or Pontiac version...
20:05 wizzyrea     lol when did adding the library URL to the library definition make that hotlinkable in the holdings list?
20:05 * wizzyrea   discovers something wonderful about koha every day
20:07 oleonard     I don't know when it was added... I worked on a related bug recently which brought it to my attention
20:08 wizzyrea     it's amazing
20:08 wizzyrea     (I don't have them all added yet but LOOKIE: http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=144044 )
20:09 oleonard     Of course now your patrons will wonder why that link doesn't point to a map of the stacks
20:09 * wizzyrea   facepalm
20:09 wizzyrea     s
20:09 wizzyrea     but
20:09 wizzyrea     it kind of does >.>
20:09 wizzyrea     it at least hopefully tells you how to get to that library
20:09 wizzyrea     ^.^
20:11 oleonard     Heh, our call numbers used to be all "JE MAR" like that too, back when our ILS came with a data storage limit.
20:12 oleonard     Hey my internet connection, should it really take 5 minutes to pull up Bugzilla search results?
20:26 wizzyrea     apparently they want the call numbers to fit on the spine?
20:26 wizzyrea     it's probably like cutting the end off the ham: that's how they've been told to do it for ever and ever
20:26 wizzyrea     "why did you do that?" "because the ham wouldn't fit in my pan!"
20:26 wizzyrea     "I always did it because that's what grandma did!"
20:27 wizzyrea     (and mom... and auntie em, and... and... and... )
20:28 oleonard     Okay, all done for today. See y'all tomorrow.
20:46 wizzyrea     oh zaps can you do news items specific to language too?! That's neat!
20:56 Oak          night
20:58 smeagol      Someham..over the rainbow...
20:58 bg           NateC?
20:58 wahanui      I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
20:59 wizzyrea     skies are blooooooooo
20:59 bg           yay smeagol :)
20:59 bg           love the name ;)
20:59 wizzyrea     bg?
20:59 wahanui      I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL
20:59 wizzyrea     keke
21:01 smeagol      Brendan..check this out..
21:01 smeagol      http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/gollum
21:02 wizzyrea     O.O
21:02 wizzyrea     that is terrifying and amazing.
21:02 bg           yeah that's great!
21:02 smeagol      thanks
21:02 bg           whois smeagol ?
21:28 rhcl         [off] (~smeagol@209.212.22.82) has joined #koha
21:29 rhcl         [off] ISP of this IP: New Jersey State Library
21:29 rhcl         [off] Organization: New Jersey State Library
21:30 bg           [off] thanks rhcl - I am curious who is smeagol
21:35 eythian      stupid parade
21:35 eythian      I got stuck on a stupid bus because stupid roads are closed and the bus driver didn't realise people might want to get off part way along his normal route
21:38 wizzyrea     aw
21:38 wizzyrea     poor eythian
21:38 eythian      I know!
21:39 cait         poor eythian
21:40 eythian      kill -SIGBUS -1
21:40 wizzyrea     keke
21:45 Danielle     o/
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