Time Nick Message 00:57 Irma jransom I will email you our eta & etd and hotel details 00:59 Irma jransom gosh I am REALLY looking forward to spending time together and to be at Kohacon2011 .... 01:05 Danielle \o 02:47 Brooke kia ora 03:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7038 Contextual help is always in English <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef5d4d7bf8caf84c917fdbcd22005767b6f9e960> / Bug 7022: Move sample_notices* sql files from optional to mandatory <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9fdf43043d78e60b5ff5a16773b7f8662da79fd> / Fix for Bug 6983 - Item type filter on overdues report does not respect item-level_itypes <http 03:10 jenkins_koha Starting build 486 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #483 2 j 19 h ago) 03:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6954: z39.50 results highlighting not sticking <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f38e1e7a0e92e1680e00667fb898be14221a2319> / Fix for Bug 7043 - masthead_search id used twice in template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72f826963c20dfdc6c5934693089e3d3e83ec1ec> 03:28 Amit_Gupta heya chris 03:58 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 03:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #486: FIXED in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/486/ 03:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6983 - Item type filter on overdues report does not respect item-level_itypes 03:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7022: Move sample_notices* sql files from optional to mandatory 03:58 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 7038 Contextual help is always in English 03:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7043 - masthead_search id used twice in template 03:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6983 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Item type filter on overdues report does not respect item-level_itypes preference 03:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7022 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , should sample_notices_message_attributes and sample_notices_message_transports move to mandatory? 03:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7038 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Contextual help is always in English 03:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7043 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , masthead_search id used twice in template 03:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 487 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 04:15 Brooke 0/ 04:15 Brooke salaam 04:15 Oak Walaikum Asalam Brooke! :) 04:17 Oak kia ora #koha 04:45 Oak morning cait. breakfast? 04:46 cait a little later 04:46 cait morning Oak, morning #koha 04:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #487: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/487/ 04:47 jenkins_koha ian.walls: Bug 6954: z39.50 results highlighting not sticking 04:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , z39.50 results highlighting not sticking 05:46 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7026] Web installer does not switch language <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7026> 06:01 indradg good morning #koha 06:03 indradg guys is the debian.koha-community.org host (64.57.244.203) down at the moment? I'm getting repeated time outs for the past 15 mins 06:03 Oak works here 06:03 indradg Oak, will check again then 06:03 cait works for me too 06:04 cait eythian was workingon the packages recently - not sure if something has changed perhaps? 06:04 * eythian checks 06:04 cait oh hi :) 06:05 eythian http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/ <-- works for me 06:05 Oak "Hello, IT. Have you tried turning it off and on again?" -- The IT Crowd 06:05 cait lol 06:05 eythian hi cait et al. 06:05 eythian it's the same server as the wiki, fwiw 06:05 Oak :) 06:06 indradg cait, getting the following error when i'm doing a apt-get update - http://pastebin.com/9H7KtgBT 06:07 indradg everything else - koha-community.org / indexdata.dk et al are working 06:07 indradg so dont think its a dns issue 06:07 eythian if you type 'HEAD wiki.koha-community.org', does that work? 06:08 eythian it's not a DNS issue, it's correctly looking up the DNS 06:09 indradg eythian, yep... i know its not a dns issue :) the update worked for me even yesterday... so... wondering 06:09 eythian does the HEAD command do something reasonable? 06:10 indradg ok... now wiki.koha-community does not work for me as well 06:11 eythian sounds like crazy network problems at your end. Do you have a proxy that's getting in your way? 06:11 Oak spooky 06:11 indradg hmmm... fwiw i managed to access the wiki just 1 hour back :( 06:11 indradg and the deb repo as well 06:12 eythian yeah, I'm going to say weirdo network things 06:12 indradg grrrr!!! this is frustrating! /me goes in search of the n/w admin 06:13 kmkale Namaskaar #koha 06:13 eythian kmkale: hello there 06:13 kmkale Namaste eythian :) 06:14 cait bug 6893 is evil :( 06:14 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6893 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Order from suggestion does not remove suggestion from 'accepted' list 06:14 indradg kmkale, need a help 06:14 kmkale indradg: shoot 06:15 kmkale Namaste cait :) 06:15 cait hi kmkale 06:15 indradg kmkale, can you please confirm if debian.koha-community.org or wiki.koha-community.org working for you atm? 06:15 kmkale indradg: 1 min 06:16 indradg kmkale, thanks :) 06:16 ropuch Morning #koha 06:16 indradg morning ropuch 06:17 kmkale indradg: nope. Its stuck at connecting to ... 06:17 Oak http://www.downornot.com 06:17 indradg kmkale, hmmm... same for me 06:17 eythian Maybe India is having network issues :) 06:17 indradg eythian, possible 06:18 indradg kmkale, thanks man :) 06:19 kmkale indradg: no big deal. Are you coming over for kohacon11? 06:20 indradg kmkale, not sure yet... schedule is conflicting with a project deadline that got pushed back by a month :( 06:20 kmkale indradg: yay!! 06:22 cait morning ropuch :) 06:25 indradg Amit_Gupta, around? 06:32 kmkale kohacon11 programme : http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/program 06:32 kmkale Since I cant reach the wiki can anyone please put the above link in the kohacon11 page? 06:34 alex_a hi 06:40 reiveune hello 06:42 cait hi reiveune and alex_a :) 06:47 cait bbiab 06:58 mtj oooh! 06:58 mtj http://mojolicio.us/ 06:59 hdl http://dancer.org 06:59 hdl mtj: same but lighter. 07:00 kivilahtio Good mooorniing #Koha 07:00 mtj http://perldancer.org/ ? 07:03 kivilahtio is there any kind of integration available to billing systems? You can define custom messages to be sent to patrons when they have items overdue. And you can define a custom message as a bill/fine for a lost item, but how do you track have the patrons paid their sent fines? For ex if I lost a book and after 4 months the library would send me a fine, charging me the price of a new book, billing costs and overdue fees. How does Koha track such 07:03 kivilahtio transactions? Or does it not? 07:03 hdl oops yep 07:04 mtj hdl: both are new to me :) 07:04 mtj and Mojolicious::Lite too 07:04 mtj http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Lite 07:05 mtj very tasty ;) 07:05 Amit_Gupta heya indradg 07:05 indradg hi... can someone email me a copy of the http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc ? the site is not being accessible from india 07:05 indradg Amit_Gupta, can you help ^^^ 07:05 Amit_Gupta yes sure 07:08 mtj indradg: http://kohaaloha.com/gpg.asc 07:09 indradg mtj, thanks a bunch! 07:10 indradg kmkale, looks like the connection failure to debian.koha-community is affecting BNSL and MTNL n/w... one of my remote locations on Airtel LL is connecting fine 07:11 mtj kivilahtio: billing is calculated from 'accountlines' table 07:11 indradg Amit_Gupta, tia.. problem solved for now :) 07:11 kivilahtio mtj: what does that mean? 07:13 Amit_Gupta ok 07:13 Amit_Gupta fine 07:13 Amit_Gupta heya kmkale 07:14 Amit_Gupta heya mtj;) 07:14 Oak Bonjour paul_p 07:15 paul_p hello everybody 07:18 kivilahtio mtj: how do you define a charge for a patron? And how is it added to the accountlines-table? How does it work, when a patron is fined a lost item? 07:20 mtj kivilahtio: rtfm ? 07:21 mtj http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/patroninformation.html#patronfines 07:24 kivilahtio mtj: rtfm :) 07:24 kivilahtio sorry, searched with the wrong keywords 07:25 mtj yep, all good :p 07:26 magnuse kia ora #koha 07:26 magnuse @arewethereyet 07:26 wahanui rumour has it @arewethereyet is counting down the days until release 07:26 huginn` magnuse: Not yet - wait 4 days 07:30 francharb morning all 07:30 magnuse bonjour francharb 07:44 kf good morning #koha 07:45 magnuse guten morgen kf 07:45 kf hi magnuse :) 07:46 kivilahtio Seems like magnuse knows where everybody's from 07:47 magnuse anh, i just like to give that impression ;-) 07:47 magnuse and hyv�� p�iv��, kivilahtio 07:48 kivilahtio God morgen magnuse 07:48 magnuse s/anh/nah/ 07:48 kivilahtio its morning there right? 07:49 magnuse in norway? yeah almost 10 in the morning 07:49 sophie_m hello magnuse kf and kivilahtio 07:49 magnuse bonjour sophie_m 07:50 kivilahtio ignore me, I was just spamming 07:50 magnuse @wunder boo 07:50 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on October 18, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.12 in 986 hPa (Falling). 07:51 kf hi sophie_m :) 07:51 kivilahtio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqAVmnnNKFI 07:52 kivilahtio the conversation is getting rather private? 08:04 mtj kivilahtio: i like your voltaxx track ;) 08:05 kf hi mtj :) 08:05 kivilahtio "Protocol droids..." 08:05 kivilahtio so kewl� 08:06 indradg @wunder kolkata 08:06 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0�C (1:20 PM IST on October 18, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling). 08:06 indradg @wunder guwahati 08:06 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Gauhati, India is 30.0�C (11:30 AM IST on October 18, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa. 08:07 mtj hiya cait 08:08 mtj i'm doing some house-cleaning now, before india.... 08:08 kf have fun in india :) 08:11 magnuse and please blog and tweet etc like crazy - for the rest of us... ;-) 08:14 kf what magnuse says 08:16 magnuse http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/program sigh... 08:16 kf *sigh* 08:18 mtj yep, i will be taking *lots* of photos 08:18 mtj ... will put them on flickr, perhaps 08:18 magnuse oh, please do! 08:29 mtj lots of photos of FOOD!!!!! :p 08:29 asaurat please take pictures of the food you'll be eating =) 08:29 asaurat ah, nice :) 08:29 mtj hot vegetable curries ... an d beer 08:30 mtj thats what i'm looking for 08:30 magnuse i suspect you will find it... 08:30 mtj i hope so 08:31 asaurat maybe will you find the holy veggie grail : the Bhot Jolokia 08:31 mtj indian food in new zealand.. its never hot enough :/ 08:31 mtj so, i want the real experience 08:32 * mtj writes down 'Bhot Jolokia' in his little book of food... 08:33 asaurat well, be careful that's hotter than "hot" 0:-) 08:33 mtj oooh, me scared! 08:33 mtj http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhut_Jolokia_chili_pepper 08:35 mtj ok, but seriously.... what are some hot vegetarian indian dishes? 08:36 mtj does Maharashtra have any of these dishes? 08:36 kmkale mtj: in these parts that would be Veg Kolhapuri 08:38 kmkale they make it in two varieties : one with redi gravy is using the normal red chili powder. The other in white variety is only available in a few speciality restaurants uses the white powder of the seeds inside the chili's. Man its HOT 08:38 mtj oooh, Kolhapur looks like my kind of place! 08:39 kmkale :) yep. About 6 to 8 hours drive from Thane. famous for its Mahalaxmi Temple. 08:39 kmkale and ofcourse HOT food. 08:39 kmkale :) 08:39 * mtj books a train to Kolhapur.... :) 08:40 mtj ok, Veg kolhapuri is now my favourite dish :) 08:42 mtj ok, i gotta head off now folks 08:43 mtj see you in mumbai, Koustubha :) 08:43 asaurat bye mtj 08:44 mtj cya asaurat , thanx for the chilli info too :p 08:46 asaurat you're welcome, I'd looove to eat this raw :D 10:04 kivilahtio Odd, I am unable to browse previously created baskets. I have two vendors, Booxy and BTJ. When browsing a vendor in vendor search, there are no order baskets visible, even if I have several baskets created and I even managed to get one visible on the basket groups page. 10:05 kivilahtio shouldnt the baskets be visible on the vendor search page, if I have created a basket, but havent closed it or emailed ot or whatever. The basket running id number keeps increasing, but I see no baskets. 10:05 kf kivilahtio: have you created the baskets, or another user? 10:06 kf are all items from the basket received? 10:06 kivilahtio no 10:06 kivilahtio no items received 10:06 kf hm 10:06 kf you should see them then in theory 10:06 kf oh 10:06 kf which version? 10:06 wahanui which version are you upgraing from ? 10:06 kf current master? 10:06 wahanui current master is probably broken. 10:06 kf wahanui: forget current master 10:06 wahanui kf: I forgot current master 10:06 kf ! 10:06 kf not broken. 10:06 kf kivilahtio: are you running a very new master? 10:06 kf branch? 10:06 wahanui branch is a little more complicated 10:07 kf wahanui forget branch 10:07 wahanui kf: I forgot branch 10:07 kivilahtio I am running 3.4 10:07 kivilahtio i am logged in as a superuser 10:07 kivilahtio I am logged in to a library 10:07 kf ok 10:07 kf ah 10:07 kf superuser or superlibrarian? 10:07 kf you should never use the root user that is created during install 10:08 kf only to create yourself a real user 10:08 kivilahtio well the default user you create during installation, I guess it is the superuser 10:08 kivilahtio but should it make any difference? 10:09 kivilahtio I couldnt find a bug in the bugzilla 10:09 kivilahtio considering this acquisitions problem 10:09 kf yes 10:10 kf don't use that user 10:10 kf it's as simple as that :) 10:10 kf it's not made for use in koha, it has no real borrowernumber 10:10 kf and no patron data 10:10 kf it will cause problems 10:10 kivilahtio ok 10:10 kivilahtio well lets try with some "real" librarian 10:10 kf so normally, log in after install witht hat user, create a branch, a staff patron category, a user with that and give him permissions - then use that user from then on 10:11 kivilahtio ok 10:11 kivilahtio will do a user avatar for meself 10:11 kf make sure you give them permissions - superlibrarian normally 10:12 kivilahtio ok 10:22 kivilahtio Ok the superlibrarian fix solved all these issues 10:22 kf cool :) 10:22 kivilahtio I think this too was written in the manual 10:22 kivilahtio rtfm 10:22 kf hehe 10:22 kf glad it worked 10:22 kivilahtio me too 10:22 kf visibility of baskets will also be controlled by a syspref in 3.6 10:22 kf got in yesterday 10:23 kivilahtio thats cool 10:23 kf so you can limit which baskets people see, their own, all branch, or system wide 10:23 kivilahtio kf: do you know of any integrations to finance software? 10:24 kivilahtio like to make koha see when the money has rolled on the library account? 10:24 kivilahtio and automate ePayment processes? 10:25 kf sorry no 10:25 kivilahtio ok 10:26 kivilahtio but thanks a gazillion kf 10:26 kivilahtio will look into something else now. 10:26 magnuse kf++ 10:33 kf :) 11:35 Danielle \o 11:48 magnuse o/ 11:54 Schwitzd Hi all! 11:54 asaurat hi Schwitzd 11:54 Schwitzd I have a problem printing labels 11:55 Schwitzd anybody that can helpme? 11:55 Schwitzd asaurat: hi! 11:55 Schwitzd asaurat: you have time to help me? 11:57 asaurat the thing is, I just cannot help, I don't know Koha very well yet, and never tried printing any label 11:58 Schwitzd ah oky 11:58 asaurat but you should find someone to help you here :) 12:00 asaurat you still can explain your problem, and let everyone know! 12:02 Schwitzd This is my problem: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Label-Problem-tp4912781p4912781.html 12:03 magnuse Schwitzd: i'm afraid i don't know label printing anough to help you, but a standard question is: what version of Koha? 12:06 Schwitzd 3.04.01 12:10 slef Schwitzd: it looks like a template problem but I'd need more time to figure it out (I'm not a librarian) and I'm stuck in the previous template code for the next couple of hours :( 12:11 slef Schwitzd: what are your layout settings? 12:12 Schwitzd slef: this are my settings http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/818/configz.png 12:12 slef Schwitzd: that's your template. 12:12 slef Schwitzd: what are your layout settings? 12:13 slef Schwitzd: like in http://manual.koha-community.org/3.4/en/labelcreator.html#labellayouts 12:13 slef Also I think some barcode encodings don't like letters but I forget which. 12:14 slef back after lunch (30-60mins) 12:16 Schwitzd slef: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/843/layoutst.png 12:17 Schwitzd slef: thanks a lot :) 12:19 ropuch Schwitzd: barcode gemerator have some problems with encoded chars 12:20 Schwitzd ropuch: and what I have to do? 12:21 ropuch Give me sec, I'm too using 8x3 layout in my library, I;ll check my relust for your template/layout settings 12:24 Schwitzd ok 12:26 ropuch hm 12:27 magnuse hm, there's no simple "just click here" for editing all items related to one record, right? you'd have to get the barcodes or item numbers into a file and use "Batch item modification"? 12:27 ropuch I know 12:28 oleonard magnuse: That's a nice idea for a feature: batch mod all this record's items 12:29 ropuch Schwitzd: try with this in layout datafield: title,'.', author, '.', isbn, '.', itemcallnumber 12:29 magnuse oleonard: i'll take that as a no then ;-) 12:30 oleonard As far as I know magnuse 12:30 * oleonard thinks this idea has been floated before, we really should bug it if it hasn't been 12:31 magnuse sounds like a good idea - must confes i didn't search bz 12:31 Schwitzd ropuch: nothing... is add only a line with a . 12:31 Schwitzd but the barcode is in the midlle 12:32 Schwitzd and the the is under the barcode.... 12:32 oleonard magnuse: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6546 12:32 huginn` 04Bug 6546: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Batch modification tool should accept a biblionumber 12:32 oleonard I guess I did. That was my take on it magnuse 12:32 magnuse nice, thanks oleonard 12:32 oleonard (4 months ago) :) 12:36 ropuch Schwitzd: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/labellayout.png 12:37 ropuch Schwitzd: try this layout 12:37 ropuch Schwitzd: not perfect one, but should give you a reasonable start 12:39 Schwitzd ropuch: with 12:40 Schwitzd ropuch: which one? 12:40 wahanui which one is it 12:41 ropuch Schwitzd: one from my link above 12:42 oleonard Pipe down wahanui 12:42 Schwitzd oky 12:42 Schwitzd ropuch: one other question is possible to insert a blank line and a bold line in the label? 12:44 ropuch Schwitzd: I don't know about bold line, but for the "blank" line I'm using '.' 12:44 ropuch ' ' seems to be ignored 12:44 Schwitzd is coming a line with a dot 12:44 Schwitzd not a blank line 12:51 ropuch Schwitzd: yup, but dot is the best I could think off ;> 12:58 Schwitzd ropuch: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/338/hc001k.png/ 12:59 Schwitzd ropuch: 'HUGO BOSS Ticino Library', '.', title, author, itemcallnumber 13:01 Schwitzd ah oky 13:02 libsysguy If I created a remote branch on github and pushed my branch to it, then I want to pull the latest changes from master how would I change back to check master instead of github 13:04 magnuse huh, in 3.4.5, whenver i try to move from step 2 to step 3 of the guided reports i get a nasty "Undefined subroutine &C4::Reports::Guided::themelanguage called at /home/magnus/kohanor32/C4/Reports/Guided.pm line 714." anyone else seeing that? i don't get it with current master 13:04 kf hm 13:04 magnuse libsysguy: you'd have different names for them, like "github" and maybe "origin" for git.koha-community.org 13:04 kf no, not seen that before 13:04 kf yep 13:04 libsysguy yeah i am going to try and use --track 13:04 kf and git rebase <localname>/branch 13:05 libsysguy and magnuse I haven't run across that 13:06 slef libsysguy: change back to check master? git checkout master ? 13:06 wahanui slef: that doesn't look right 13:06 slef wahanui: you suck! 13:06 wahanui slef: what? 13:06 magnuse hm, i don't see it in another installation running 3.4.3 either... 13:07 slef magnuse: looks like a candidate for git diff 13:07 magnuse slef: yup 13:14 ropuch Is there a way to insert blank line between fileds in label layout? 13:33 kf hm perhaps something like \n? 13:33 libsysguy <br />? 13:33 * kf is only guessing 13:34 libsysguy ^^ 13:34 kf we are not using the labels 13:42 rangi morning 13:42 magnuse g'day rangi 13:42 oleonard Hi rangi, what's going on today? 13:43 kf morning :) 13:43 rangi i have dim sum at 10am with a bunch of evergreen folks (from sitka http://sitka.bclibraries.ca/) 13:44 maximep weird to see you around at this hour =) 13:44 rangi and some of the organisers of the conference 13:44 rangi and then i have a big shopping list from my wife for ikea 13:44 oleonard Hopefully not too big. 13:44 kf hehe 13:45 magnuse no ikea in nz?? 13:46 rangi nope 13:46 kf wow 13:46 kf what do you have to buy? 13:46 magnuse hmf 13:46 rangi everything! 13:47 magnuse new kitchen, bed, sofa... 13:47 rangi she printed the pictures 13:47 magnuse heh 13:47 rangi ill just hand it to some ikea person 13:47 rangi and say, find me all this please 13:47 rangi ill be over there eating meatballs 13:48 magnuse good plan 13:49 rangi i think ill have to buy a bigger bag 13:50 * magnuse wonders if that last comment for bug 6755 should have been a new bug... 13:50 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages 13:50 * rangi looks 13:52 rangi i think its ok magnuse might just need to ping chris_n 13:52 magnuse thanks 13:52 oleonard NZ's lack of an Ikea is our gain: another reason for rangi to visit 13:53 magnuse hey, we have ikea too! ;-) 13:53 rangi hehe 13:53 magnuse and we're only half a world away... 13:53 rangi you are close to the first ikea eh magnuse , well lots closer than me 13:54 magnuse probably 13:54 magnuse but we're still waiting for their first shop in northern norway... 13:54 chris_n magnuse: that's fine, just add me to the cc list on the bug so I'll get a reminder 13:55 rangi paul_p: you should try xmonad sometime :) 13:56 rangi libsysguy++ # working on 5549 13:56 kf lots of ikeas here... .) 13:56 libsysguy thanks rangi 13:57 magnuse chris_n: done, thanks 13:59 chris_n rangi: to merge master with a local working branch I checkout the working branch and 'git pull origin master', right? 13:59 rangi i do it the long way 14:00 rangi i do 14:00 magnuse kf is actually closer than me to the first ikea :-) 14:00 rangi checkout the branch 14:00 kf I am? 14:00 rangi git fetch origin 14:00 kf another reason to visit Germany! 14:00 rangi git merge origin/master 14:00 rangi but pull should do the same thing 14:01 chris_n cool, and merge should keep the history intact 14:01 libsysguy yeah pull does the fetch and merge in one whack 14:01 chris_n I assume 14:01 rangi libsysguy: it does, unless you have told pull to do rebase instead 14:02 rangi which you can do with git config 14:02 rangi so i just got in the habit of doing it long hand 14:02 libsysguy i do too 14:02 rangi chris_n: it does, no rewriting of history like rebase 14:03 rangi rebase is perfect for unpublished branches 14:03 rangi not so good for published 14:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Updating perl version required to match reality <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5faaa7f13a17d29197b1bced3bd86731d61ee0d7> 14:04 * chris_n is scripting up some foo to keep a working branch in sync with the master branch and push it up to a public repo every midnight 14:04 chris_n so rebase is no good there 14:04 rangi yeah you dont want that 14:04 chris_n +1 for the perl version update 14:05 chris_n very quick 14:05 rangi figured id do it while i remembered 14:06 kf rangi++ :) 14:06 kf oleonard: aroundß 14:06 kf ? 14:06 oleonard Yes 14:06 kf yay :) 14:06 rangi you and your crazy ß 14:06 kf sorry, it's the same key as ? 14:07 kf only shift makes the diff 14:07 rangi hehe just kidding 14:07 kf :) 14:07 rangi oh 14:07 rangi so where is / then? 14:07 kf on 7 14:07 rangi what? 14:07 oleonard so where is & then? 14:07 rangi then where is & 14:07 kf 6 14:07 oleonard .... 14:07 rangi this could go on all day 14:07 rangi :) 14:07 kf probably 14:07 * magnuse is with kf so far 14:07 rangi how about ^ 14:07 wahanui ^ is what I think too 14:08 wizzyrea i like how agreeable wahanui is 14:08 kf hm first key first row, together with ° 14:08 magnuse here's a pic of the first ikea - looks like they are waiting for someone we know ;-) 14:08 rangi thats just crazy talk 14:08 magnuse my ^ is to the right of � ;-) 14:08 kf it's not my fault that your keyboards lack several keys 14:08 * wizzyrea boggles 14:08 magnuse and the pic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IKEA_Store_Elmhult.jpg 14:09 wizzyrea LOL 14:09 wizzyrea HERE NOOBS 14:09 wizzyrea :) 14:09 wizzyrea ping trea 14:09 wizzyrea click that :P 14:09 rangi hehe 14:09 * wizzyrea wonders what it means in swedish? 14:10 magnuse or maybe they have a separate entrance? 14:10 libsysguy Swedish you say? 14:10 libsysguy libsysguy 14:10 wizzyrea we are speshul 14:10 wahanui you are, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck 14:10 magnuse wizzyrea: you don't know?!? 14:10 wizzyrea kekeke 14:10 wizzyrea enter? 14:10 libsysguy ja ja ja 14:10 jenkins_koha Starting build 488 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:10 magnuse wizzyrea: it means sale... 14:10 wizzyrea sale. 14:10 wizzyrea Cute 14:10 wizzyrea hehe 14:10 libsysguy I wish my gf was here…she could tell me 14:11 chris_n well, cherry-pick will probably be better for the preservation of attrition 14:11 magnus_afk see y'all later 14:11 libsysguy later 14:11 * wizzyrea can't be bought 14:11 wizzyrea my head just exploded. 14:11 libsysguy thanks for bringing up Ikea….now I want meatballs 14:12 wizzyrea omg meatballs. 14:12 libsysguy they are the most delicious meatballs you will ever eat 14:12 oleonard Thanks for bringing up Ikea, now I want a block of napkins the size of my head. 14:12 libsysguy oleonard: i think you mean napkin rings 14:12 rangi oleonard: those are called istad idgran ducktig lexberg 14:12 chris_n opps, attribution rather 14:12 * rangi makes stuff up 14:12 wizzyrea dangit, thanks for bringing up meatballs, now I want ostkaka 14:13 wizzyrea I know that doesn't have the proper dots and whatnot 14:13 libsysguy i got in trouble at work the other day for calling the dots pricks 14:13 oleonard Coincidentally rangi, I just made up an Ikea/Google game: Google "Ikea" + random gibberish. whoever gets a real hit wins. 14:13 libsysguy but that is what my gf and her mom call them 14:13 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostkaka 14:13 rangi hehe 14:13 wizzyrea hehehe 14:14 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6949: cannot remove owner from fund <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c84f38b3496f32037a97b441aab21e8c2647250> 14:14 rangi yay 14:14 rangi that bug sucked 14:14 kf I have something nice and small to sign-off... 14:14 libsysguy wizzyrea: Margo informed me they are called umlauts 14:14 wizzyrea i thought so, but I didn't want to get it wrong :P 14:14 kf ? 14:15 libsysguy yeah well apparently we have to be professional at work... 14:15 * wizzyrea prefers pricks 14:15 wizzyrea wait. 14:15 rangi hmm what was that quote by slef 14:15 * wizzyrea dies 14:15 rangi oh! 14:15 kf bug 7027 14:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7027 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Corrections to German web installer txt files 14:16 wizzyrea lol stop being so entertaining 14:16 libsysguy lord wizzyrea control yourself hehe 14:16 kf bug 7049 14:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7049 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , Item form on order receive has lots of blank space 14:16 * kf advertises 14:16 oleonard http://www.commitlogsfromlastnight.com/ 14:16 wizzyrea libsysguy: you should take your gf to lindsborg 14:16 wizzyrea on a festival day 14:16 libsysguy omg oleonard thats amazing 14:16 wizzyrea that's lindsborg kansas 14:17 libsysguy ohhh haha 14:17 libsysguy is that a small 14:17 libsysguy Swedish settlement 14:17 wizzyrea yep 14:18 libsysguy nice 14:18 wizzyrea I lol'd http://screencast.com/t/TXppOnIGIaJ 14:18 libsysguy is that our chris :p 14:19 wizzyrea hehe no 14:19 libsysguy sad day 14:19 rangi its true tho 14:19 rangi hehe 14:19 wizzyrea keke 14:19 wizzyrea ohhhh morning rangi! this is weird! 14:19 libsysguy that is what I thought 14:19 rangi my only claim to fame is the updated bug reports from last night 14:19 wizzyrea alright dangit. 14:19 libsysguy but when you work in the basement you lose all track of time 14:20 wizzyrea I gotta like, do work and stuff 14:20 libsysguy oh class is over…bbl 14:20 wizzyrea you were NOT paying attention. 14:20 wizzyrea naughty. 14:20 kf wizzyrea: rangi made me do it 14:21 wizzyrea well that is the answer to everything, isn't it 14:21 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/12/14/what-happens-after-updating-the-status-of-300-bugs/ 14:21 wizzyrea hehe 14:21 slef rangi: what was the quote about? 14:21 slef Ikea or professionalism? 14:21 rangi professionals are ruining it for artisans 14:22 slef heh, that sounds like me 14:22 wizzyrea screw you windows and your .net framework updates. 14:22 wizzyrea you make babies cry, 14:22 slef wizzyrea: you've heard the weird al windows Start It Up song, right? 14:22 * wizzyrea will look it up 14:22 slef NSFW 14:23 wizzyrea it seems likely that I have heard it but it's not popping into my head 14:23 * wizzyrea has pretty cool work. 14:23 wizzyrea and headphones. 14:23 slef yeah but "you make a rich man cum" 14:23 slef would test most works if played on speakers 14:23 wizzyrea hmm 14:23 wizzyrea see: headphones ^.^ 14:23 slef yeah 14:25 sekhar hi good morning. 14:26 sekhar i am looking for some help regarding fines and circulation rules? 14:26 kf why does this feel like friday? :) 14:26 sekhar any volunteers? 14:26 kf sekhar: ask your questions :) 14:26 kf someone who knows will answer probably .) 14:26 sekhar thanks. 14:27 sekhar we had a koha setup for our private circulation library. 14:27 sekhar and we charge customers on monthly basis depending on number of books. 14:27 sekhar something like 1/2/3/ books they can subscribe any time, any number of times in a month. 14:28 kf hm 14:28 kf I would set them up with an expiration time of one month 14:28 sekhar or at any point of time they can have 1/2/3 books with them and can do any number of check in or check outs. 14:28 kf I think that's the only way to do it right now 14:28 kf and when renewing them, the fine will be put on the account 14:28 sekhar but at the end of the month they have to pay a monthly reading fee. 14:28 kf oh 14:28 kf on number of books 14:28 kf ignore what I said. 14:29 rangi yeah, there's not really any way to do that 14:29 sekhar 1. I tried to use Fines and Circulation rules module. It is possible to 14:30 rangi you could fudge it by making a different borrower category for each type 14:30 rangi and make rules for that 14:30 sekhar is there any way to simulate thi s in Koha. 14:30 rangi but the charge you'd have to do with a manual invoice 14:30 sekhar can you please explain. 14:31 rangi koha is not designed to work this way at all, so it would be fudging it 14:31 rangi for each possible type of borrower 14:31 rangi ie ones that are allowed 1 or 2 or 3 books 14:31 rangi you would make a category 14:31 rangi then assign the borrower to that category 14:32 rangi and make circ rules for it 14:32 rangi BUT 14:32 sekhar correct. 14:32 sekhar i did like that. 14:32 rangi although there is code in koha to stop a borrower having more than x number out at a time 14:32 sekhar i created each category but with no fines. 14:32 rangi no code exists to limit how many checkouts 14:33 rangi that simply wont work with development 14:33 rangi without 14:33 sekhar now at the end of the month, i have to check offline whether they paid the monthly reading fee or not and then issue books. 14:33 sekhar this is becoming tough. 14:33 sekhar as you said is there any way to fudge it? 14:33 rangi no 14:34 rangi that is the fudge 14:34 sekhar sorry 14:34 rangi the way to make it work, is to develop code to handle this, and get it into koha 14:34 sekhar i didn't catch what you were trying to say.. 14:34 sekhar ok :-) 14:35 sekhar any workaround? 14:35 sekhar hope my requirement is clear to you? 14:35 rangi yes its clear, koha cant do it as it stands the workaround is to do it with manual invoices in koha, it cant automatically do it 14:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5995] Glitch with checkauth <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5995> 14:37 sekhar true. is it possible to have automatic recurring invoices for each patron? 14:38 rangi you can do that with the expiration date thin kf suggested 14:38 rangi make each category have a monthly expiry 14:39 sekhar yes. that is what we are doing now. if we have more patrons then it becomes tough. 14:39 libsysguy back 14:40 rangi sekhar: dev work is the real answer 14:40 rangi anything else is just piling mess on top 14:40 kf you have to work what exists in koha - charge fee (will be charged on checkout), patron account management fee (on renewal or creation of account) 14:40 sekhar true. 14:41 sekhar it is tough to sell per book fee...monthly fee is more ideal for us... 14:42 sekhar as other libraries around also do the same... 14:44 wizzyrea you could delete the borrower every time and charge an account management fee every time you create a patron 14:44 wizzyrea but, possibly lots of unnecessary data entry 14:45 wizzyrea how busy are you? 14:46 sekhar the library is maintained by couple of people and as you said everytime this creates more confusion. 14:47 sekhar every time new id, new member...no... 14:52 libsysguy sekjal 14:52 libsysguy you around 14:52 sekjal libsysguy: yes, I'm here 14:52 libsysguy hey I was going to ask you about those .po files you mentioned in the hourly ticket 14:52 libsysguy I wasn't sure what to do about them 14:52 sekjal libsysguy: yeah, they're not usually changed in git patches 14:53 sekjal that's handled by the translation portion 14:53 vfernandes hi Koha community 14:53 libsysguy ahh so they'll change again in @countdown 14:53 libsysguy dang...I was sure that would tell me how many days to release 14:54 rangi @arewethereyet 14:54 wahanui i think @arewethereyet is counting down the days until release 14:54 huginn` rangi: Not yet - wait 4 days 14:55 libsysguy rangi++ 14:56 libsysguy is anybody else getting an error on a blank search for a vendor from acquisitions 14:58 rhcl K�ttbullar 14:58 kf köttbullar 14:58 slef köttbullar? 14:58 rangi wow i forgot how bad starbucks coffee is 14:59 rangi thats the last time i go there 14:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #488: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/488/ 14:59 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Updating perl version required to match reality 14:59 rhcl http://www.gjenvick.com/Recipes/SwedishMeatBalls-KottbullarRecipe.html 14:59 slef rangi: first choice co-op, 2nd Tim Hortons? 14:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 489 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:59 rangi i did tim hortons yesterday 14:59 slef rangi: are you still in BC? 14:59 rhcl rangi: not as bad as it used to be several years ago before they "milded" out their formula 14:59 rangi yup, only got here on sunday 14:59 rangi here until next sunday 14:59 slef just beware their frappés... sugar bombs 15:00 rangi hmm there is a co-op here? 15:00 slef Vancouver? 15:00 rangi i should walk to the art gallerey where all the occupy vancouver ppl are 15:00 rangi they have an espresso thing set up 15:01 sekjal rangi: about where are you in the city? 15:02 slef Vancouver is home to http://www.coopradio.org/ and the local uni has a co-op studies dept, so there should be quite a few. 15:02 rangi hyatt regency, where the conference is 15:02 reiveune bye 15:02 rangi right in the city centre 15:03 sekjal tried Caffe Artigiano yet this trip? 15:03 rangi oh not yet 15:03 kf bbiab 15:04 rangi ill try that 15:04 sekjal I don't have personal experience with them, but I get the impression they'd be worth a look 15:04 * rangi only got starbucks this morning cos its in the hotel 15:04 sekjal ah 15:05 rangi tomorrow ill be less lazy :) 15:06 rangi wb oleonard 15:07 * oleonard is trying to set up another connection between VirtualBox guest and host 15:07 rangi ah 15:07 sekjal for bug 6945, I'd like an ID attribute on the element that wraps the new Show MARC Preview, so libraries could have the option to hide it if they don't want to see it 15:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6945 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view 15:07 sekjal is that reason enough to fail QA, or am I being unreasonably nitpicky? 15:08 maximep so bored right now that I could modify my patch 15:08 oleonard I wouldn't say it should fail QA 15:08 rangi yeah i think pass qa and ask for a followup 15:08 sekjal okay, will do! 15:09 rangi oh hey 15:10 rangi i have some american money in my wallet from ALA, i bet i can use that here and get dirty looks 15:10 rangi maybe ill just save it for next ALA 15:11 nengard :) 15:13 * oleonard hopes it will still be worth something 15:13 rangi hehe 15:14 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7051 de-nesting C4::Reserve, 1st step <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7631bae2b2e5f6f2f71ddc4fe841816cd4688047> / Bug 7037 de-nesting C4/Print.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=86e9c29f54e16a276889b10c1245ad1588147e35> / Bug 7036 de-nesting C4::Circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=56b9412562599d1decabb27e7d4f562ec 15:14 slef I still remember an aussie making cracks about "the mighty New Zealand peso" about a decade ago. 15:15 libsysguy database question: what does authorisedby do in aqbasket 15:15 libsysguy it looks like a borrowernumber 15:15 rangi i think stores the id of the librarian who opened the basket 15:16 rangi slef: yeah it was about 48cents to the USD then 15:16 rangi 79 now 15:16 libsysguy yeah that is what I thought rangi...but I have an id in there that doesn't exist in the borrowers table 15:17 slef libsysguy: it's probably spelt b u g 15:17 libsysguy NOOOO 15:17 rangi apparently the patriot act made it much harder to launder money using US$ .. which meant a lot more trading in the euro instead, which helped the dive of the USD 15:18 rangi law of unintended consequences 15:18 oleonard Maybe Greece could get into that business somehow... 15:18 rangi heh 15:18 rangi doesnt actually help the economy 15:19 rangi just the price of your money 15:19 sekjal libsysguy: aqbaskets.authorisedby is not actually linked to borrowers.borrowernumber 15:19 rangi organised crime otoh .... 15:19 sekjal it's just a varchar(10) that gets populated with borrowernumber (usually) 15:20 nengard rangi, you gonna push the next batch of patches in bug 6716? 15:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation 15:20 nengard while we're talking about db documentation? 15:20 nengard :) 15:20 rangi probably 15:20 rangi but not today 15:20 rangi maybe tonight 15:20 cait back 15:21 rangi it requires dropping and rebuiling the db each time 15:21 rangi so takes a little while 15:21 nengard got it! 15:29 libsysguy sekjal isn't that generally a bad idea 15:30 sekjal libsysguy: not having the foreign key between aqbasket and borrowers? 15:31 nengard polling the community - what tutorial videos do you want to see? no video is too small - just did one on changing your password in the OPAC :) 15:31 libsysguy yes 15:31 sekjal libsysguy: the connection probably should be there, yes, but we'd need to verify in the code that it absolutely SHOULD be 15:31 rangi have you done one on tagging/comments in the opac? 15:31 sekjal and what happens on borrower delete? 15:32 libsysguy yeah well thats the problem that I ran into sekjal 15:32 sekjal is it set null? to a specific value? cascade deleted? 15:32 sekjal probably shouldn't be cascaded 15:32 libsysguy a borrowerer got deleted and I got an error of an undef hashref 15:32 libsysguy yeah cascaded would be a bad idea 15:32 libsysguy unless we can set up some kind of heirchy 15:32 libsysguy so when a librarian gets deleted then it goes to their superior 15:33 sekjal hmmm 15:33 libsysguy and eventually to kohaadmin 15:33 rangi to start with 15:33 rangi we should just make the delete check 15:33 rangi and say 15:33 rangi hey 15:33 rangi this person owns 8 baskets 15:33 rangi please shift them, then delete 15:33 libsysguy true 15:33 libsysguy that would be the easiest 15:34 sekjal I don't think there is interface to change basket owner, is there? 15:34 sekjal fund/budget owner, yes 15:34 sekjal but not basket 15:34 paul_p sekjal: seems we both are QAing not (still 1H for me) 15:34 paul_p sekjal: i'll write here which bug i'm working on 15:35 paul_p sekjal: QAing 56116 now 15:35 paul_p (5616) 15:35 oleonard paul_p: Perhaps you could answer my question on Bug 5725? 15:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Batch modifications for Biblios 15:35 cait sekjal: I don't think there is - not sure there should be 15:36 paul_p oleonard: ok, will check after 5616 15:36 cait sekjal: the basket is created by someone... so that's logged 15:36 libsysguy cait there is one that is logged...but lets say the creator gets deleted 15:36 libsysguy (this just happened to me) 15:36 libsysguy it totally breaks vendor searching 15:37 cait oh 15:37 cait that's not good 15:37 cait but should it break it? 15:37 cait is oyur borrower still in deleted_borrowers? 15:39 sekjal paul_p: looking at bug 6296 15:39 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates 15:39 libsysguy yes they were cait 15:39 libsysguy i didn't know that table existed 15:40 rangi we rarely delete delete anything 15:40 rangi as soon as you do, someone says i really needed that 15:40 rangi and disk is cheaper than sanity 15:41 libsysguy indeed 15:44 libsysguy oh sekjal...so what was your suggestion for the .po files? 15:44 cait we probably need a way to delete them one day, so things should not depend too strongly to it 15:44 cait libsysguy: remove them :) 15:44 cait from the patch 15:45 * cait is not sekjal, but knows po files...over 6000 terms still waiting 15:45 cait *sighs* 15:45 libsysguy if sekjal is pulling from my branch wouldn't it be better if he did it? 15:45 libsysguy its not really a patch 15:45 libsysguy its really too big for that 15:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #489: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/489/ 15:47 jenkins_koha ian.walls: Bug 6949: cannot remove owner from fund 15:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6949 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , can't remove owner from budget 15:47 jenkins_koha Starting build 490 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:51 * rangi heads out to meet ppl in the lobby 15:51 rangi cyas later 15:55 cait t 15:57 sekjal libsysguy: if you removed the .po files from the branch with a followup commit, I'd be very grateful :) 15:59 libsysguy cool i can do that 16:02 libsysguy can I just remove the translator directory? 16:04 libsysguy or I guess I can just run rm -rf | find -name '*.po' 16:05 liw that'd be find -name '*.po' -delete 16:07 libsysguy liw++ 16:08 libsysguy sekjal its pushed 16:08 sekjal thanks, libsysguy, I'll pull the updates shortly 16:08 libsysguy np and thanks 16:08 sekjal (testing 6253 right now) 16:09 sekjal bug 6253 16:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine 16:09 sekjal wizzyrea: did your testing include checking branchcode/categorycode limits to search? 16:09 wizzyrea yes 16:09 wizzyrea why is it not working anymore? 16:09 sekjal haven't pulled yet 16:09 wizzyrea oh 16:09 wizzyrea k 16:09 sekjal just didn't see it in your report 16:10 * sekjal is lazy 16:10 wizzyrea From: 16:10 wizzyrea mainpage.pl 16:10 wizzyrea members-home.pl 16:10 wizzyrea Patron search limited by branch: Works 16:10 wizzyrea Patron search limited by patron category: works 16:10 wizzyrea Ordering by cardnumber instead of surname: works 16:10 wizzyrea The "Check Out" field in the masthead. 16:10 sekjal ah 16:10 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6253#c24 16:10 huginn` 04Bug 6253: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine 16:10 libsysguy i love when sekjal asks a question about...did it work for you...the automatic response by me is...omg he found something I missed 16:10 wizzyrea :) 16:10 * sekjal is so lazy he doesn't read things thoroughly enough :( 16:10 wizzyrea aw 16:10 wizzyrea is ok :) 16:11 sekjal I blame the typhoid 16:11 libsysguy doesn't that just come with the CS degree territory 16:11 wizzyrea that 16:11 sekjal libsysguy: lol 16:13 paul_p oleonard: answered (& submitted small follow-up) for 5725 16:14 paul_p sekjal: please check 6285, because this small 1 line patch has been rejected twice by rangi as self-QAed (by me). 16:15 sekjal paul_p: checking bug 6285 16:15 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6285 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , overdues csv columns 16:15 paul_p sekjal: checking 6989 16:20 paul_p sekjal: checking 7074 16:20 paul_p oups, 7045 16:22 sekjal paul_p: 6285 passes 16:27 paul_p sekjal: OK, time to go back home for me. Have a good day. 16:27 sekjal you, too, paul_p! 16:28 * paul_p almost has decided to switch back to something-but-not-unity... 16:29 slef paul_p: go debian :) 16:29 * slef starts the MOIBTYing 16:30 * paul_p hates some things like : "how to minimize windows ? "( not by clicking on their widget on the left : once it's on the front, no way to put them backwards). "How to launch a software not in the launcher "click, click, click, click, click, click, select, click". Ouch... nothing faster ?. No, sorry. How to have launchers with sub-launchers ? sorry, does not exist 16:30 paul_p ... 16:31 slef wahanui: MOIBTY is My OS Is Better Than Yours (no, I don't know why the S is missing) 16:31 wahanui OK, slef. 16:31 slef paul_p: I've missed out the pleasure of unity so far 16:31 sekjal wizzyrea: multi-part patron name search is not working properly for me with 6253 16:31 slef paul_p: I don't even understand what you mean by "launcher" and "sub-launcher" yet. 16:31 wizzyrea interesting, it worked for me 16:31 wizzyrea but that was weeks ago 16:32 sekjal I'm trying to search for the second word in a surname, and it fails 16:32 paul_p slef: some good/nice ideas. But definetly for my father or mother,or sister, or wife, but not for a geek like me ! 16:32 wizzyrea so like henry james acevedo III 16:32 wizzyrea if you search for III 16:32 wizzyrea you get nothing? 16:33 sekjal I was using Interlibrary Loan libraries as my example 16:33 sekjal because any patron of Organization user type doesn't have firstname show up in the interface 16:33 sekjal only surname 16:33 slef paul_p: not sure I agree with that. Geeks should use friendly systems so it doesn't scare people looking over their shoulder; other users should be allowed to do geekish things if they want to. 16:33 sekjal surname = "Memorial Sloan Kettering Library". searches for "sloan kettering" fail 16:34 wizzyrea what about regular patron types 16:34 sekjal this also fails in surname 16:34 sekjal errr, firstname 16:34 wizzyrea well, I guess it fails then. 16:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #490: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/490/ 16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7034: de-nesting C4/Branch.pm 16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7035 de-nesting C4::ClassSource & ClassSortRoutine 16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7036 de-nesting C4::Circulation 16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7037 de-nesting C4/Print.pm 16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7051 de-nesting C4::Reserve, 1st step 16:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7034 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , De-nesting C4::Branch 16:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7035 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , de-nesting C4/ClassSource.pm and C4/ClassSortRoutine.pm 16:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7036 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , remove 'use C4::Koha' from C4/Circulation 16:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7037 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Remove 'use C4::Circulation' from C4::Print 16:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7051 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Unnecessary C4::Search dependency in C4::Reserves 16:34 * wizzyrea gives up on that one 16:34 slef @seen fdamien 16:34 huginn` slef: I have not seen fdamien. 16:34 slef @seen fdamiens 16:34 huginn` slef: I have not seen fdamiens. 16:34 slef @seen fdamians 16:34 huginn` slef: I have not seen fdamians. 16:34 sekjal Carol Enderlog Patronsky. Can search for Carol and Carol Enderlog, but not just 'Enderlog' 16:34 slef oh what's his nick? 16:35 slef oic 16:35 slef fredericd: email from magnus_afk on koha-translate Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:42:28 +0200 unanswered? 16:42 sekjal wizzyrea: what do you think: is not having 'inner name' searching in either field acceptable? 16:42 sekjal I mean, this patch is an overall improvment 16:43 magnus_afk slef: i got the answer and the permissions, but probably not on the list 16:43 sekjal and inner name search doesn't work in master, anyway 16:43 sekjal so, it's not a regression 16:43 sekjal I may actually be Scope Creeping this particular patch, which is unfair 16:44 wizzyrea well... inner searching is probably an ultimate goal 16:45 wizzyrea and it didn't work before... 16:46 * sekjal again floats the idea of create Patron Frameworks in XML, and indexing with Zebra 16:47 slef magnus_afk: yeah, it wasn 16:47 slef t on the list 16:47 slef What idiot put apostrophe next to enter? 16:47 slef hi nengard 16:47 nengard hi 16:47 wahanui que tal, nengard 16:48 slef I got a request to approve you on networked blogs, but when I clicked throught, it wanted me to give the bloody thing permission to access my facebook account. That can go get bent ;-) 16:48 magnus_afk slef: Mr. Qwerty, i presume 17:02 cait slef: where you looking for fredericd? 17:04 sekjal wehoo! down to 21 bug reports in the 'signed off' queue for QA 17:11 cait :) 17:11 cait 21! 17:11 cait wow 17:12 sekjal 19, now 17:12 cait :) 17:12 cait did you get a chane to look at the delete/cancel thing for acq? 17:17 slef cait: yes but magnus_afk cleared it up 17:25 cait ah ok :) 17:26 libsysguy slef I wanted to give you some kudos on your name 17:26 libsysguy i realized the pun when I was repeaditly messing up $self 17:27 * slef bows 17:27 * slef ribbons 17:42 sekjal libsysguy: does the hourly loans dev not support 'minutes' as a unit? 17:44 cait hi trea 17:44 libsysguy no it doesn't 17:44 trea hi cait 17:44 libsysguy although after looking over the code it wouldn't be hard 17:45 libsysguy since the deltas are finally being formatted correctly 17:46 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7033] Make all strings translatable in marc21_field_007.tt <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7033> 17:49 sekjal libsysguy: cannot call method 'clone' on members/moremember.pl line 500 17:49 sekjal sound familiar? 17:49 libsysguy no not to me 17:49 libsysguy what did you do to get that? 17:49 sekjal tried to go to a borrower with checkouts 17:50 sekjal checkouts from before adding the patch 17:50 libsysguy let me check it on my dev server 17:50 libsysguy i haven't gotten it in prod 17:51 sekjal I think it may have to do with the data conversion 17:52 wizzyrea has anyone had complaints about the performance of the OPAC detail where there are lots of items? 17:52 libsysguy sekjal: you mean the existing dates in the db? 17:52 sekjal libsysguy: yes 17:53 sekjal issues issued back under the old code 17:53 sekjal before the data type conversions 17:53 libsysguy gotcha 17:54 libsysguy hmm did you run that conversion sql file? 17:57 libsysguy sekjal installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/hourlyloans.sql 17:57 sekjal libsysguy: ran that; it just added the new column to issuingrules 18:00 libsysguy sekjal is that the only error info it gave you? 18:00 sekjal yes 18:00 sekjal running issuedate_times.pl didn't help 18:02 libsysguy well that seems rather odd...I wonder why it is clone instead of just = 18:03 libsysguy I thought clone was for cloning an object 18:04 libsysguy i guess it is in the datetime function too 18:04 libsysguy class** 18:08 * sekjal hates the build_issues_data subroutines in circ/circulation.pl and members/moremember.pl 18:08 sekjal not mod_perl compliant, for one thing 18:09 cait hate is a strong word 18:17 cait libsysguy: where do you hide your hourly circulation branch? 18:19 cait sekjal? 18:19 wahanui sekjal is someone's favorite propeller-head. 18:30 cait libsysguy: around? 18:31 maximep they both disappeared when u had a question for them :p 18:31 cait yep 18:31 cait coincidence? 18:31 cait libsysguy: can you guide me how to do the databaseupdate for the hourly branch? 18:31 cait libsysguy: I am a bit confused here 18:34 slef hate? 18:34 wahanui i think hate is a strong word 18:34 slef clone? 18:35 libsysguy hey cait 18:35 libsysguy sorry I was afk 18:35 cait hey 18:35 cait trying to checkout your branch 18:35 libsysguy ohh so you want to do a pull 18:35 slef Wizzy's car? 18:35 wahanui rumour has it Wizzy's car is Etta the Jetta, and trea's is Rolf the Golf. druthb's truck is Rusty Betty 18:35 cait lol 18:35 cait libsysguy: now I figured it out 18:36 cait the branch 18:36 slef the best time for kohacon? 18:36 slef rebase? 18:36 wahanui rebase is, like, good, for if you need to send patches 18:36 cait slef: as soon as possible? 18:36 slef was seeing if wahanui had learned it 18:36 cait libsysguy: ok, what do run first, updatedatabase? 18:36 cait I have never used the atomicupdates 18:36 libsysguy yes I'd do the update database first 18:36 libsysguy then the atomic update is just the command line 18:36 libsysguy so 18:37 libsysguy mysql -u "username" -p "databasename" < atomicupdatefile.sql 18:37 cait h 18:37 cait m 18:37 cait seems I need another module? 18:37 cait Can't locate DateTime/Format/DateParse.pm 18:38 libsysguy bug 5549 18:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans 18:38 libsysguy there are several listed here 18:38 cait ok 18:38 libsysguy comment 5, 8, 10 18:39 cait k 18:39 cait on it 18:39 libsysguy hey I have to run to my circuits lab till 5 CDT :'( 18:40 libsysguy I'll bring my laptop wtih me but I may be lagy wtih the responses 18:40 cait it's ok 18:40 cait I will see how far i get :) 18:40 libsysguy ok you can always email me 18:40 libsysguy tdavis@uttyler.edu 18:41 cait it's ok 18:41 cait go to your lab :) 18:41 libsysguy oh yayy (sarcasm font) 18:41 cait hehe 18:41 libsysguy see you guys later 19:14 rhcl bugs? 19:14 wahanui bugs are at http://bugs.koha-community.org/ 19:20 rhcl OK sports fans.... Koha v3.05.00.011 Problem with sql report builder? 19:20 rhcl tools -> guided reports wiz -> build new -> catalog -> biblio -> item level 19:20 rhcl item type 19:20 wahanui rumour has it item type is set correctly in items 19:20 rhcl click click click -- select any item type, for example, DVD...click..the sql statement doesn't pick up the item type 19:25 sekjal rhcl: that sounds like a bug that just got patched 19:32 * Oak waves 19:32 rhcl humm, I looked and didn't see a pertinent bug, any idea what the bug number was? 19:34 sekjal rhcl: 6983... but it is for overdue report, so not the same (though perhaps a similar issue) 19:35 rhcl so can you confirm this problem? 19:35 phlunk3 morning o/ 19:36 sekjal rhcl: no, no confirmation. the issue you'd described sounded like a report I'd recently read, but it was for another area 19:38 magnuse @seen eythian 19:38 huginn` magnuse: eythian was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <eythian> Maybe India is having network issues :) 19:56 rhcl bug 6983 19:56 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6983 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Item type filter on overdues report does not respect item-level_itypes preference 19:57 gmcharlt FYI, tsbere and I have started using Launchpad to track bugs for SIPServer (a.k.a. OpenNCIP) - https://launchpad.net/sipserver 19:58 * cait waves 19:59 wizzyrea oo 20:02 rhcl wizzyrea: did you see my report question above? Have time to confirm it? 20:02 wizzyrea hm nope 20:03 wizzyrea well, no I didn't see it 20:03 wizzyrea I may have time to confirm it 20:04 wizzyrea tons of TT nonsense in guided reports tho 20:06 cait sep 20:06 cait I think I have never used guided reports 20:06 cait :( 20:14 cait sekjal++ 20:15 Oak me go now. time to sleep. night. 20:23 magnuse g'night #koha 20:24 cait good night magnus_away and Oak 20:29 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6390] Basket only visible for librarian who created it <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6390> 20:43 sekjal okay, 'needs QA' list down to 18 bugs 20:44 sekjal but 'needs signoff' list still at 95! 20:45 cait lots of architectural changes in there :( 20:45 cait not sure how to test those 20:52 wizzyrea are we not saving writeoffs in accountlines anymore? 20:53 wizzyrea here's the display: http://screencast.com/t/jbmh8UOM - here's the corresponding DB: http://screencast.com/t/KyNjGGncP 20:53 wizzyrea I don't understand how this could be. 20:56 cait but the amount is correct? 20:56 wizzyrea this makes me giggle (totally unrelated) http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/lifehacker/vip/~3/c7LAtmAHChA/instant-elevator-music-automatically-plays-whenever-you-move-files-around 20:56 wizzyrea yea apparently 20:56 cait hm 20:56 wizzyrea well, it's green, which is wrong 20:56 cait what's your sql for accountlines? 20:56 wizzyrea but the number is right 20:56 wizzyrea select * from accountlines where borrowernumber = 'the number' 20:56 cait 0 seems green :) 20:57 cait hm! 20:57 wizzyrea 136 20:57 wizzyrea is the right amount for the fines 20:57 wizzyrea or whatever it is 20:57 cait weird 20:57 wizzyrea the lost fines aren't in there 20:57 wizzyrea oh 20:57 wizzyrea maybe our replica is out of sync... 20:57 wizzyrea sec 20:58 wizzyrea yes, that's at least part of it 20:58 wizzyrea but only 1 writeoff 20:58 wizzyrea oh oh wait 20:58 wizzyrea there are 2 pages. 20:58 wizzyrea Well I will take THAT little thing up with my support vendor. :P 20:59 wizzyrea NEVER MIND. All's good. 20:59 sekjal :) 20:59 cait phew 20:59 * wizzyrea was SO confused. 21:06 rhcl Sanka for wizzyrea from now on. 21:06 wizzyrea shush. 21:07 wizzyrea you get your replica out of sync and see what confusing things YOU come up with. 21:07 * wizzyrea grumps 21:07 rhcl Sanka 21:46 eythian magnus_away: sup? 21:46 cait morning eythian 21:47 eythian cait: howdy 21:47 wahanui hey, eythian 21:47 liw hi, eythian of the three remaining packages :) 21:48 liw eythian, have you been properly volunteered to give a KohaCon talk on the Koha Debian packages and all their hidden gems? 21:48 eythian liw: heh 21:48 eythian not as such, I will probably end up doing one at the hackfest I expect 21:50 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/07c5Ys2kIdpo2cRWomOMSU <-- liw, a slightly older sketch of the talk I am doing. 21:52 cait eythian: which mindmapping program was that? 21:53 wizzyrea yes that's purty 21:54 cait he doesn't want to tell :) 21:54 eythian cait: thinkingspace on android, but I have it syncing with freemind on ubuntu (via ubuntuone 21:55 wizzyrea on your tab? 21:55 eythian yeah 21:55 wizzyrea noice! 21:57 cait nice :) 21:57 cait time to sleep :) 21:57 cait bye all 21:57 eythian yeah, I spent a few hours in the weekend at the pub sketching it out, and have been refining it a bit since. 21:57 eythian cya cait 21:57 wizzyrea gnite 22:01 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7057] C4::Reserves::CheckReserves uses GetMemberDetails unnecessarily <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7057> 22:07 sekjal GetMemberDetails? 22:07 wahanui hmmm... GetMemberDetails is a black hole into which CPU cycles fall; don't ever use it!!! 22:07 sekjal :) 22:08 maximep small stuff that makes a difference to make koha feel faster =) 22:11 sekjal maximep: I was opac-details.pl on a record with a lot of materials 22:11 sekjal many, many seconds wasted on C4::Reserves::CheckReserve 22:11 sekjal which was ultimately because of GetMemberDetails 22:11 maximep cool! 22:11 sekjal I'm on a mission to eradicate that subroutine wherever possible 22:12 sekjal GetMember will often be more than sufficient 22:12 sekjal and it's just a simple SELECT * across a single table; very efficient 22:46 sekjal goodnight, #koha! 22:47 rhcl night. me too, i think