Time Nick Message 00:00 slef ok, back in 9h or so 00:05 Judit good night:) 02:01 mtj you know.... one of the problems that you get with 178 column editors 02:02 eythian ...you can't spread them 3-wide on a normal sized screen? 02:02 mtj ... is that you can get away with $way_too_big_names_for_stuff_dot_com naming in your code :/ 02:03 eythian $a_suffusion_of_yellow 02:05 mtj linus has a good post about linux-kernal code, saying 'if you cant fit your code happily in a 80 column window, its probably a too-complex block of code' 02:05 eythian yeah. 02:05 mtj ... which was a comment that made me have a good think 02:06 eythian PBP says that by the time you've read that far to the right, a) scanning back left is hard, and b) you're starting to load up on too information and will start forgetting things. 02:07 mtj either too much indentation, or $NamesThat_are_wayToo_long_DotCom' ... 02:07 eythian or really long expressions that shouldn't be so long 02:07 mtj yeah, thats my *big* pet peeve too 02:09 mtj .. people 'compressing' a perfectly readable block of code, into a brainfxed one-liner 02:10 * jcamins votes for adding the following variable into every single file, just to mess with people: $thisiStHemOstiMportantvAriableyOuwIlleVereNcounteraNdyOuwIllsPendfArmOretImetHanyOuwAnttOaDmittRyingtOfIgureoUtwHy. 02:10 jcamins Beautiful, isn't it? 02:10 rangi jcamins: 5528 is pushed :) 02:11 jcamins rangi: hooray! 02:11 jcamins rangi++ 02:11 mtj 'verbose and readable' > 'tight but incomprehensible' 02:11 jcamins mtj: what about verbose AND incomprehensible? 02:14 rangi bug 7020 02:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7020 minor, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details 02:14 rangi bug report, and a patch from a school district all in one 02:14 rangi awesome 02:14 wizzyrea o/ HIGHFIVE \o 02:15 rangi patch isnt in git format but ill soon fix that 02:26 rangi done 02:31 eythian http://www.act.org.nz/policies <-- better policies than most, really 02:35 rangi they are fixing it 02:35 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7020] Items with no checkouts report does not output call number, barcode or item details <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7020> 02:35 rangi hope some ppl got screenshots 02:36 rangi theres less bacon ipsum 02:39 jcamins Heh. I hadn't noticed that. 02:48 libsysguy Does anybody know if you can use integers as perl hash keys? 02:49 libsysguy i keep getting an error Can't use string ("0") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" 02:49 rangi yeah 02:49 rangi thats not a hash key 02:49 rangi thats the whole hashref 02:50 rangi you cant use an integer as an actual hashref :) 02:50 libsysguy hmm maybe I've referenced it wrong 02:50 rangi youre variable contains 0, not a hashref is what that error is telling on 02:50 rangi you 02:51 libsysguy interesting…ok thanks rangi++ 02:54 jenkins_koha Starting build 474 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 02:58 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6885 Follow up to fix superlibarian permission check <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdd798ec3216c6019adccc40935e93736ce4dc3b> / Bug 6885 Allow superlib to delete items from any library <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b64dbb246c8f29ac1c5e40b88a1f26f8d207b18d> / 6278 Funny translation bug with XSLT subfieldSelect parameters <http://git.koha-community.org/g 03:01 bg oh yeah 10 days man - 10 days 03:08 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6912 Test 008 presence in get CoinS function <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7621591ae697328798a44a95757352a147e33d72> 03:21 Amit_Gupta heya chris 03:21 Amit_Gupta good morning 03:21 rangi hiya Amit_Gupta 03:23 libsysguy hey Amit…I knew that name looked familiar…one of our librarians bought your book on Koha 3 03:24 Amit_Gupta hyea libsysguy 03:24 libsysguy :) 03:24 Amit_Gupta yes koha 3 library management system 03:25 Amit_Gupta yes book written by Amit Gupta and Savitra 03:25 libsysguy yes I think she bought it thinking it was was a guide to using Koha not installing it :p 03:25 Amit_Gupta hmm 03:26 libsysguy you know how librarians love the books heh 03:27 Amit_Gupta ah! 03:27 jcamins_away Amit_Gupta: you'll be glad to know that the analytics code (bug 5528) made it in. 03:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support 03:29 libsysguy jcamins_away: you are going to have to just leave it jcamins when you are away and when you are here you can say jcamins_present 03:29 jcamins_away :) 03:30 * jcamins_away isn't here. 03:30 Amit_Gupta heya jcamins 03:30 jcamins_away Writing a paper. 03:30 jcamins Well, book review. 03:30 libsysguy im writing a search engine for class 03:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6925 : The way to show the plural of the word "Item" is not compatible with multi... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=518710878972a72b8d7b306af571b7c543267ddd> / Bug 6840 warning in logs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37902b25a7aa5c9e1b3f90e8cbb50741b27dae1d> 03:30 jcamins Oh? 03:30 jcamins From scratch, indexing engine and everything? 03:30 libsysguy in object oriented perl…i feel i have made a bad choice 03:30 libsysguy indeed 03:31 jcamins Object-oriented Perl? 03:31 libsysguy yeah…its normal perl written with Object Oriented paradigm in mind…like the new Koha modules that will be replacing C4 03:32 jcamins Oh, I know what it is. 03:32 libsysguy or parts of C4 03:32 libsysguy oh hehe 03:32 libsysguy oops 03:32 jcamins That was supposed to convey shock and awe at your bravery. 03:32 libsysguy there should be a font for that 03:32 jcamins I use irssi. 03:32 jcamins ;) 03:32 libsysguy and yes…i wrote it as a script first and did it in 38 lines (its basic) 03:32 Amit_Gupta thanks jacamins 03:32 libsysguy but the object oriented version is well over 100 03:33 jcamins Amit_Gupta: you're welcome. It would have been a shame for the code to not get into 3.6, either. 03:36 libsysguy huzzaah…inverted index engine successfully rewritten in OOPerl :D 03:36 bg hey Amit_Gupta 03:36 bg jcamins you're still up? 03:36 bg wowie 03:37 bg oh wait - timezone fail 03:37 jcamins bg: yeah, stupid book review. :( 03:37 bg it's only 23:00 03:37 bg oh book review? sounds fun 03:37 bg if it's something you like I guess 03:37 jcamins [off] Yeah, if I'd had time to read the books. 03:37 bg HA 03:38 * bg is currently rereading LOTR 03:38 bg about half way through fellowship 03:38 jcamins Awesome books! 03:38 bg I think on the plane flights coming up I'll have enough time to finish the other two 03:40 bg jcamins you going to india? 03:40 jcamins bg: nah, too far. 03:40 jcamins Believe it or not, for someone who managed to cross the Atlantic five times in one year, I hate flying. 03:40 bg for you? nothing is too far 03:40 bg ahhh… no way 03:41 libsysguy bg you going to India? 03:41 bg heh get a boat :) you'd have plenty of time to catalog :) 03:41 jcamins Actually, it's probably because of my experience almost crashing into Baku. 03:41 bg yes I am - my second time there 03:41 libsysguy can you bring back a poor college student some curry? 03:42 bg of course! 03:42 * libsysguy loves curry 03:42 bg no problem 03:42 jcamins Also, I think KohaCon coincides with the major conference in Slavic Studies, where I'm presenting on a very star-studded panel. 03:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #474: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/474/ 03:43 jenkins_koha m.de.rooy: 6278 Funny translation bug with XSLT subfieldSelect parameters 03:43 jenkins_koha Starting build 475 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 03:44 bg libsysguy: spicy or just normal - red, green? 03:44 jcamins bg: how long will you be in India? 03:44 libsysguy red for sure…and the spicier the better 03:44 bg 28th to the 6th 03:45 libsysguy there is a place here that makes the best Thai red curry I have ever had 03:45 bg ok cool - I'll get you a tin of curry powder 03:45 bg you'll need to send me your address 03:45 jcamins libsysguy: you know that Indian food in America is nowhere near as spicy as Indian food in India, right? 03:45 bg and it's a completely different food 03:45 jcamins That too. 03:45 bg the india food here - expands when it hits my stomach 03:45 libsysguy yes there are a lot of Indian grad students here 03:45 libsysguy so I get the full experience…kind of 03:45 jcamins Okay, just checking. :) 03:45 bg but the real india food didn't/doesn't do the same 03:46 libsysguy that is what I hear 03:46 bg I think it's the cream - we use different stuff here 03:47 bg so when I get indian food here - I don't get anything creamy - makes a big difference 03:47 libsysguy bg I can wire you some money over paypal or something to set me up 03:47 bg no worries man 03:47 bg a tin of curry is like 2.50 usd 03:47 bg :) 03:47 bg I'm planning on getting as much as I can fit 03:48 jcamins bg: when/why/where were you in India before? 03:48 jcamins I don't blame you. 03:48 * jcamins always buys spices when he goes interesting places. 03:48 bg Sonja and I went for a friends wedding 03:48 libsysguy was it arranged? serious question* 03:48 bg I actually proposed to Sonja on christmas morning as the sun rose at the Taj Mahal 03:48 libsysguy wow ^^ 03:49 jcamins Wow, what a great proposal! 03:49 rangi yeah beat that ! 03:49 Amit_Gupta wow 03:49 rangi :) 03:49 bg a girl's got to have a story right? 03:49 Amit_Gupta heya bg 03:49 rangi :) 03:49 bg yo Amit_Gupta 03:49 jcamins My proposal was very anticlimactic, I think. I turned to Shari and said "hey, let's get engaged." Her response was "okay, when?" To which I said "now." And that was it. :\ 03:49 libsysguy bg gets the #Koha best marrage proposal award…any takers for a better story 03:50 jcamins I highly doubt it. 03:50 Amit_Gupta marrage->marriage 03:50 bg jcamins - that's great! 03:50 bg they are all great - cause it's the story that matters! 03:51 rangi nate has a good one too 03:51 bg yup 03:51 bg NateC? 03:51 wahanui I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE 03:51 rangi mine was in tokyo 03:51 bg noice! 03:51 bg not bad for an american woman 03:51 rangi hehe 03:52 rangi who all had a drumline march them down the aisle? 03:52 libsysguy oh oh rangi wasn't there an oil spill close to new zealand? 03:52 rangi still going 03:52 rangi its a bloody mess 03:52 jcamins Has anyone else noticed that most of the marriage proposals on #koha seem to take place somewhere other than the participants' home countries? 03:52 libsysguy dang... 03:52 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/rena-crisis/5776790/Deeply-sorry-for-your-situation-Renas-owner 03:52 libsysguy and jcamins yes…don't tell my girlfriend 03:53 rangi douchebag container ship, trying to race to get into the harbour hit a reed 03:53 rangi reef 03:53 bg heh reed 03:53 libsysguy heh 03:53 jcamins libsysguy: this doesn't seem such a problem for you... didn't I hear that your girlfriend is Swedish? She's already outside her home country. ;) 03:54 libsysguy LOL! 03:54 rangi the big question is 03:54 rangi who won at pool 03:54 libsysguy true…but she wants to go back there to get married in one of thier big churches 03:54 libsysguy it actually came out to a tie rangi…I was disappointed in myself 03:54 libsysguy I'm pretty competitive 03:54 rangi :) 03:54 libsysguy I love to play though 04:04 bg yeah pool is great! 04:04 bg it's been awhile since I've played but I used to be decent 04:04 libsysguy that is how i was feeling when I played my gf 04:04 bg always let a girlfriend win 04:05 bg :) 04:06 rangi hometime 04:06 * rangi goes to catch the bus 04:07 libsysguy haha true story bg 04:17 Oak kia ora #koha 04:17 Amit_Gupta heya Oak 04:17 Oak hello Amit_Gupta :) 04:18 rangi back from the bus 04:20 Oak welcome back then... :) 04:30 libsysguy off for the night…cya tomorrow 04:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #475: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/475/ 04:31 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6885 Allow superlib to delete items from any library 04:31 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6885 Follow up to fix superlibarian permission check 04:31 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6912 Test 008 presence in get CoinS function 04:31 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6840 warning in logs 04:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6885 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Superlibrarian users can't delete items from another library when IndependantBranches 04:31 jenkins_koha * juan.sieira: Bug 6925 : The way to show the plural of the word "Item" is not compatible with multilanguage 04:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6912 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , OPAC display crashes for analytical biblio without 008 field 04:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6840 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , error in Template.pm in logs 04:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6925 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , The way to show the plural of a word is not compatible with multilanguage 05:09 cait good morning #koha 05:14 eythian hi cait 05:15 cait hi eythian :) 05:27 cait no huginn? 05:27 cait ah found him, was hiding 05:38 Amit_Gupta heya cait 05:38 cait oh 6973 05:39 cait eythian: I think I might forgive you the germs for 6973 :) 05:39 cait eythian: I remember us talking about it at kohacon last year :) 05:39 eythian yeah, it's been bothering me for ages. 05:39 eythian But, it'll need a lot of testing, it touches a lot of the mail systems. 05:40 eythian wahanui: germs. 05:40 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 05:40 cait yeah 05:41 cait good that I can send mail from my laptop now :) 05:41 eythian cool :) 05:41 cait what about the 'new account' thing? 05:42 cait we can't put that in message queue I guesss 05:42 cait hm and addresschange 05:42 eythian why not? 05:43 cait passwords in new account 05:43 eythian hmm, good point I suppose. 05:44 cait and you could have given it his own bug 05:44 cait hmpf :) 05:44 cait do I need to apply all 3 patches for testing? 05:45 eythian well, the basic reply-to stuff (the first patch) is standalone 05:45 eythian the others go on top of it 05:45 eythian I should have given it its own bug, yeah 05:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6904] Suggestion status 'pending' and 'asked' <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6904> 05:47 cait ok 05:47 cait can you clarify on the bug? :) 05:48 eythian can you add something asking me to, I'm heading now and I'll forget otherwise 05:48 eythian bye! 05:50 cait bye 06:25 cait hm 06:26 ropuch Morning #koha 06:27 alex_a hello #koha 06:28 magnuse hiya alex_a and #koha 06:28 alex_a hi magnuse 06:29 mtj heya alex_a and magnuse :) 06:29 magnuse kia ora mtj 06:30 magnuse so sad to hear about that container ship falling apart! 06:31 mtj yeah, ship happens :/ 06:33 magnuse :-( 06:36 cait morning ropuch, magnuse, mtj and alex_a 06:36 cait can someone do a quick test for me? 06:36 cait I can't link authorities on current master in cataloging 06:37 cait I tried linking from 110 to a corporate author 06:40 marcelr hello koha 06:47 cait morning marcelr :) 06:47 marcelr hi cait; thanks for signing those two encoding patches 06:47 cait thx for your work on it :) 06:48 cait it's been annoying 06:48 cait I always find those things when doing presentations 06:54 reiveune Hello 07:02 julian_m hello 07:03 marcelr hi julian_m and reiveune 07:03 julian_m hello marcelr 07:03 reiveune hi marcelr 07:03 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6803] Removing remote include in MODS xslt <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6803> 07:05 francharb hello everyonr 07:36 kf good morning (again) #koha :) 07:36 magnuse guten morgen kjf 07:36 magnuse ooops: kf 07:37 kf hi magnuse :) 07:39 asaurat hi ! 07:39 kf hi asaurat :) 07:39 hdl hi all 07:39 kf hi hdl :) 07:50 Amit_Gupta heya hdl 07:50 Amit_Gupta hdl around 07:50 Amit_Gupta ? 07:52 hdl hi Amit_Gupta. 07:56 Amit_Gupta hdl solr done 08:06 hdl yoohooo !!! 08:06 hdl \o/ 09:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6938 - replace two subscription fields that were incorrectly removed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f11d527a0749e86350d62055f289aaee9435848> 09:10 jenkins_koha Starting build 476 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:27 kf hdl: ? 09:28 hdl kf ? 09:28 wahanui it has been said that kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss 09:28 kf I wonderes about your yohooo and the cryptic message exchange 09:29 hdl Amit_Gupta: said : solr done 09:29 hdl I replied Yooohoo 09:30 kf I saw that, but was curious about the meaning 09:31 * kf is courious about solr :) 09:31 hdl well just glad he did it. 09:31 hdl he had problems installing solr. 09:33 kf glad it works then :) 09:34 hdl so am I 09:35 hdl I think that julian_m will be able to show you if you go to India. 09:36 kmkale ping paul_p 09:36 kmkale hi kf hdl 09:37 paul_p kmkale: hi 09:37 wahanui niihau, paul_p 09:37 kf hi kmkale :) 09:37 kf hdl: not going to india this year, but scotland for sure next 09:39 kmkale paul_p: need artwork of your company logo asap 09:42 paul_p kmkale: http://drupal.biblibre.com/sites/all/themes/biblibre/logo.png 09:44 kmkale thanks paul 09:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #476: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/476/ 09:58 jenkins_koha robin: Bug 6938 - replace two subscription fields that were incorrectly removed 09:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6938 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , The "Subscription History" public and private note fields have gone missing 10:05 Amit_Gupta heya kmkale 10:05 kmkale hi Amit_Gupta 10:05 slef heh, more spam addressed to "Nicole C. Engard" 10:05 slef I'd blacklist that phrase, except maybe then I would miss email from nengard 10:05 kmkale hi slef 10:05 slef hi kmkale - how goes it? 10:06 kmkale going well 11:25 kf wizzyrea: around? :) 11:45 slef nengard! kf! help! ;-) 11:46 nengard ?? 11:46 slef how does a librarian add or remove message attributes? 11:46 nengard you can't 11:46 nengard it's all or nothing 11:46 hdl slef: you add entry in sql. 11:46 nengard or that :) 11:46 nengard hehe 11:46 slef I'm looking at a koha where some of them are missing 11:46 kf message attributes? 11:46 kf oh 11:47 slef and that's really strange 11:47 kf reload them from the sql files 11:47 nengard yeah, I have one of those too and I'm so confused 11:47 kf the problem is, they are not mandatory in web installer 11:47 kf which they should be 11:47 slef yeah, I'll offer to reload them from SQL 11:47 kf so some tables are empty if you forget to check them during install 11:47 slef @query attributes 11:47 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2847 normal, P1, ---, oleonard, NEW , Use HTML escape in templates where appropriate 11:47 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2810 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , corrupt marc data is causing the commit_biblios_file.pl to abort 11:47 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3642 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Modify Overdue.pl export to include other borrower information 11:47 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4418 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Enable required option for patron attributes 11:47 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4925 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove Smithsonian as a delivered z39.50 target 11:47 kf there is no bug for that 11:47 kf I think 11:47 kf not from me at least 11:47 kf but I have been there... wondering what's gone wrong 11:47 nengard kf slef I call it enhanced messaging 11:47 slef shouldn't there be? 11:47 nengard not attributes ? if that helps in searching 11:48 kf slef: I think thre should. messages don't work without and you can't configure it from the GUI 11:48 kf so should be mandatory 11:48 kf message_transport_types might also be missing 11:48 slef @query enhanced messaging 11:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5918 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , When AddPatronLists is set to "general" and EnhancedMessagingPreferences is set, messaging prefs not copied from defaults 11:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4819 enhancement, P5, ---, chris, NEW , Add ID tags to certain areas of OPAC so jquery can be used to hide them 11:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4171 enhancement, P5, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , overduerules.pl needs an overhaul 11:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5539 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Options for Suggestion Emails 11:48 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5647 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Enhanced Notices are using name and not id 11:49 slef damnit 11:49 * slef fires up the web 11:49 nengard ooo ? that first one might be it ? 11:49 nengard no? 11:49 kf hm, I think that's a different problem 11:49 kf slef: are you missing the table content or the patrons are missing the preferences? 11:50 kf for the latter exists a script 11:51 slef kf: missing some table content I think 11:51 kf ah, than probably not being checked in web installer 11:51 slef I'll offer to reload for them. 11:51 kf as a reason 11:51 slef but then how would they have any table content? 11:51 kf they should be the same for all libraries, so reloading should not cause any trouble 11:51 slef ok, so the bug is: sample_notices_* should be mandatory? 11:52 kf hm not sample notices 11:52 kf message type something 11:52 kf although sample_notices are always good in my opinion 11:52 slef the files are called sample_notices_message_attributes and sample_notices_message_transports I think 11:52 kf and perhaps would make sense to have them recommended 11:52 jwagner message transports is what you're looking for, I think 11:52 kf slef: yep, those 2 11:52 slef sample_notices is already mandatory 11:53 kf hm 11:53 kf not much sense in that then 11:53 kf it's only a matter of moving some files around, perhaps we should get that done before 3.8 11:53 amt can it is possible to install koha live cd on hard drive 11:53 slef kf: yes, we should. I'm opening a bug. 11:53 kf slef: can you cc me? 11:53 amt can it is possible to install koha live cd on hard drive 11:53 wahanui i already had it that way, amt. 11:54 kf amt: we have seen your first question :) 11:54 amt how will you guide me? 11:54 kf what do you intend to do? for a production system a koha live cd might not be the way you want to go 11:54 amt then? 11:54 wahanui i guess then is equal to later. 11:54 kf wahanui: forget then 11:54 wahanui kf: I forgot then 11:55 kf then is <reply> 11:55 amt ok 11:55 kf wahanui is our bot, don't get confused by him 11:55 Amit_Gupta heya kf ;) 11:56 amt i am getting prb to install koha in ubuntu 11 11:56 kf hi Amit_Gupta 11:56 kf amt: for ubuntu you might want to consider the debian packages 11:56 kf amt: it's the easiest way to install koha 11:56 kf and will make it very easy to update too 11:56 kf debian packages? 11:56 amt let me know the procedure 11:56 kf debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org 11:57 kf there is also a wiki page explainign about it 11:57 amt ok 11:57 slef edinburgh! 11:57 wahanui edinburgh is for sure now 11:57 slef wahanui: have a botsnack :) 11:57 wahanui :) 11:57 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze 11:57 slef kf: email address? 11:58 jwagner slef, speaking of Edinburgh, roughly when do you anticipate having dates, details, etc. available? Next month or so? 11:58 slef jwagner: when they're ready. 11:58 jwagner It would be nice to get a jump on airfare etc.... 11:59 slef Seriously, we a little bit at the mercy of mercenary venues. I don't think we have a co-op venue that would give us preferential treatment. 11:59 slef yeah, I appreciate that 11:59 druthb o/ 11:59 kf hi druthb :) 11:59 slef we'll get the basic dates / part of the city together first 11:59 druthb hi, kf. :) 11:59 Amit_Gupta heya slef 12:00 jwagner OK, will look forward to it. I'm hoping/planning to go 12:01 slef I'd like to have dates by kohacon11 if we can but nYAAAAAAAAARGH :) 12:01 Amit_Gupta heya jwagner 12:01 Amit_Gupta jwagner: ru coming 12:01 jwagner Hi Amit_Gupta. Not coming to this year's, but hoping for next year's 12:03 kf slef: thx :) 12:04 kmkale hi druthb 12:04 amt768 hello there 12:04 druthb hi, kmkale! :) 12:04 amt768 j 12:05 amt768 I have not found the solution to install koha on ubuntu 11.04 12:05 amt768 any body guide me to do so 12:05 kf I have posted you the link a bit earlier: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze 12:06 kf there is the wiki page, and the packages are under debian.koha-community.org 12:06 kf when downloading koha there are also files named INSTALL.* with installation guides for various distributions 12:06 amt768 procedure not working as in link 12:07 magnuse there are also PPAs for ubuntu: https://launchpad.net/~koha 12:08 Judit hi 12:08 kf hi Judit :) 12:09 Judit ehm, z39.50 12:09 kf not hi but z39.50? :) 12:09 Judit i have set it up in koha but i receive server acces denied 12:09 Judit yesyes 12:09 Judit i knw 12:09 Judit z39.50 is the new ji:) 12:09 Judit hi 12:10 Judit didnt you know? 12:10 kf no! 12:10 magnuse it is? wow! ;-) 12:10 kf I am so not up to date 12:10 magnuse me neither 12:10 Judit well, it is almost tmorrow here 12:10 kf right, that explains it 12:10 kf :) 12:10 Judit :D 12:11 Judit so 12:11 kf z39.50 download into koha or accessing a koha db from outside via z39.50? 12:11 Judit any idea why is this error message Server access denied 12:11 Judit using this to test 12:11 Judit from outside 12:11 Judit http://www.loc.gov/z3950/test.html 12:12 kf hm 12:12 jwagner Judit, are you sure the incoming port is open at your firewall? 12:12 kf firewall perhaps? 12:12 Judit nope 12:12 kf could be the reason 12:12 Judit i can ping the port 12:13 kf perhaps some authentication mode activated? 12:13 jwagner You can ping it from outside your network? 12:13 Judit yes 12:13 Judit i can 12:13 kf I have never used this feature :( 12:14 jwagner Have you verified the Koha database name and port number? 12:14 Judit and the error is acces denied 12:14 Judit oh yes 12:14 Judit i have 12:15 magnuse hm, i think it's possible to set a password for z39.50? 12:15 Judit it is 12:15 Judit but i didnt 12:15 magnuse ah, ok 12:15 Judit nice try :) 12:15 magnuse have you tried connecting to it from localhost? 12:16 slef Judit: test with yaz-client ? 12:16 slef like magnuse suggests :) 12:16 Judit yaz-client? 12:16 wahanui yaz-client is the next debugging step.... 12:16 Judit what is yaz-client? 12:16 wahanui well, yaz-client is the next debugging step.... 12:16 slef part of the indexdata zebra tools 12:16 kmkale #koha can i have a show of hands to see who are attending kohacon11? 12:16 slef let me find a better link so I can tell wahanui something more useful 12:17 magnuse http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-client.html 12:17 Judit yaz-client! 12:17 wahanui rumour has it yaz-client is the next debugging step 12:17 slef wahanui: forget yaz-client 12:17 wahanui slef: I forgot yaz-client 12:17 slef wahanui: yaz-client is http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/yaz-client.html 12:17 wahanui OK, slef. 12:17 Judit dont go anywhere, i will be back 12:18 slef tough, I'm going to lunch and then out! 12:18 magnuse i'm stuck here... 12:18 Judit lunch? it is pretty late for lunch :) 12:18 Judit yz cient says permanent system error 12:18 Judit wow, i dont like yaz-client 12:19 slef you might also find "sudo netstat -pn --udp --listen" useful 12:19 magnuse hm, that sounds like it might be a problem with the config, somehow 12:19 slef it'll show if yaz is listening 12:19 slef zebra, not yaz 12:19 slef Judit: yay timezones 12:20 Judit :) 12:20 Judit slef it is kinda other way around now with the 2 of us 12:21 Judit re timezones 12:23 Judit it that TCP not an UDP by any chance? 12:23 magnuse Judit: back to basics: zebra is up and running, right? you can search in the opac and get hits? 12:23 Judit sure 12:23 Judit it is 12:23 Judit i can search, receive valid result 12:24 magnuse cool, that was the solution for me once, so just checking ;-) 12:24 Judit :D firts thing i have checked 12:24 magnuse yay! 12:25 Judit <listen id="mergeserver">tcp:@:11001</listen> 12:25 Judit do i need this? 12:27 * magnuse never touched that... 12:27 Judit :) wow 12:29 magnuse ? 12:30 Judit i should stay away from it- i guess 12:31 nengard I'm looking for some report help 12:31 nengard I have need the number of items added to the collection in a time period by collection code 12:31 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report help" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/76 12:32 nengard i have a working report and a non working report 12:32 nengard i'm missing something simple I'm sure 12:32 nengard kf around? 12:32 Judit have you ever seen something like this: 12:32 Judit 23:30:25-13/10 10faf7b5 [request] Auth none 12:32 Judit 23:30:25-13/10 10faf7b5 [request] Init ERROR 1 ID:34 Name:LC/CNIDR zclient/gateway Version:2.0 12:32 jcamins_away GROUP BY in the wrong place. 12:33 jwagner nengard, here's one I use for previous month by item type -- you can adapt for ccode: 12:33 magnuse Judit: where is that from? 12:33 jwagner SELECT items.itype, count(items.itemnumber) as ItemsCreated FROM items WHERE (items.dateaccessioned like concat(date_format(LAST_DAY(now() - interval 1 month),'%Y-%m-%'))) GROUP BY items.itype 12:33 magnuse i'm trying to take some notes here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Koha_as_a_Z39.50_server 12:33 Judit zebrasrv -v all -1 -f ...koha-conf.xml 12:34 jcamins_away nengard: I'm running late, so I can't give you the new report, but the issue is the GROUP BY. 12:34 Judit yyyy-mm-dd)>> group by ccode 12:34 Judit this is missing from the second query 12:34 Judit first 12:36 kf nengard: here 12:37 kf all solved? 12:37 nengard jwagenr th problem with your report is that it doens't look at the items that were deleted 12:37 nengard jcamind there are two group bys in there 12:37 nengard i added a third and it didn't work either 12:37 nengard kf not solved 12:38 kf ok, what was the question? 12:39 Amit_Gupta heya nengard 12:39 nengard "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report help" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/76 12:39 nengard I need the number of items added to the collection in a time period by collection code 12:39 nengard to accurately get the number that were added i need to check on those items that were deleted as well 12:41 Judit anyone for zebrasrv -v all -1 -f ...koha-conf.xml? 12:42 magnuse is that all the output you get? 12:42 Judit i ahve more 12:44 magnuse Judit: http://paste.koha-community.org/ 12:44 Judit coming 12:45 pastebot "Judit" at 121.44.18.57 pasted "zebralog" (69 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/77 12:46 kf nengard: looking now 12:47 kf nengard: goal is a list of ccodes with counts? 12:47 nengard yes 12:48 kf hmm 12:49 magnuse Judit: and port 2103 is the one you are using? 12:50 Judit yes 12:51 nengard making kf think :) 12:51 kf hm I think I have an idea 12:51 kf paste coming 12:52 kf http://paste.koha-community.org/78 12:53 magnuse Judit: this looks like a similar problem, maybe? http://lists.indexdata.dk/pipermail/zebralist/2006-September/001149.html 12:53 nengard kf - we might have it! let me test on another system 12:53 kf cool :) 12:53 Judit let me have a look 12:54 kf I think ah, but perhaps this is still wrong 12:54 kf hmhm 12:54 nengard kf it's only showing 1 ccode 12:54 kf yep 12:55 kf better version coming 12:55 kf http://paste.koha-community.org/79 12:55 kf and it will only afford to give the dates once 12:56 kf for perf issues you have to ask ian - my databases are too small to care 12:56 nengard kf that seems to work and I love that it's only asking once!!! 12:56 Judit magnus, not really 12:56 Judit no 12:57 nengard kf i'll test on a bigger db and see what happens :) 12:57 magnuse Judit: could you let us have a look at you koha-conf.xml, minus the juicy bits? 12:58 Judit just a sec magnus 12:59 kf nengard: only a fair warning - for me pretty everything is fast. so I don't have much experience with optimizing :) 12:59 magnuse Judit: are you using the debian packages? 13:00 Judit yes i am 13:00 nengard kf it seems to run just fine! Thank you so much! sometimes I get stuck and only see what's in front of me and not what else it could be 13:04 kf nengard: I know that feeling 13:04 kf nengard: sometimes you need another set of eyes or just someone to eplain the problem to 13:06 magnuse Judit: how did you change koha-config.xml to enable z39.50? 13:06 magnuse Judit: i can't see the usual "uncomment this to enable"... 13:08 Judit with xmlstarlet 13:09 Judit is there any change to blame it on eythian? (the package) :) i wonder 13:09 oleonard nengard: Could you add a screenshot to Bug 7019? 13:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7019 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Circulation History Sort Order Wrong 13:10 nengard oleonard done 13:11 oleonard Thanks. That's weird. 13:19 Judit magnus is a hero- officially 13:20 magnuse yay 13:21 kf magnuse++ 13:21 kf Judit: I agree, he is :) 13:21 druthb magnuse++ 13:21 * magnuse blushes 13:21 oleonard Sort by date is broken when the column has mixed date and text content 13:22 oleonard So, for instance, the sorting isn't broken if the user has nothing currently checked out 13:44 Judit thanks for all the help, good night! 13:44 Judit z39! :) 13:45 magnuse g'night Judit 13:46 tcohen hi #koha 13:47 tcohen its been a long time, congrats to those elcted for 3.8 13:47 hdl hi tcohen 13:54 dschust1 Hey all... I am doing some testing on different features and documenting a few things locally I have 3.03 running with a copy of my database and I have up and running a copy of what I think is 3.4.5 but it could be master(I think I cloned it from git) - everything is fine until I go into admin and select any of the options say circ/fine rules 13:55 wizzyrea what's it doing 13:55 dschust1 When I do one of the options my screen just shows stuff that I can't figure out what it is. hmmm I need to connect it to the network and screen shot... and share. 13:56 wizzyrea ya, "shows stuff that I can't figure out what it is" isn't an error we can troubleshoot really :/ 13:56 hdl jing 13:56 wizzyrea ^^ 13:56 dschust1 all powerful wizzyrea just can't see my screen?... 13:57 kf she can do magic, but probably not that :) 13:57 kf wizzyrea: seen my note about the support provider's list? 13:57 wahanui I haven't seen 'my', kf 13:59 oleonard wahanui has his own kf? 13:59 wahanui i haven't a clue, oleonard 13:59 kf hehe 14:00 magnuse in pootle, is there a way to see what rights are assigned to nobody and default? 14:00 magnuse i'm looking at http://translate.koha-community.org/nb/34/admin_permissions.html but it only shows my permissions 14:00 ropuch Let me look 14:00 magnuse oops, that's http://translate.koha-community.org/nb/36/admin_permissions.html 14:01 ropuch You should have drop down just under your nick 14:01 ropuch In permission section 14:01 magnuse yeah, and when i choose e.g. nobody, nothing happens 14:02 magnuse does that mean nobody has no permissions? 14:02 mib_ep1dnc whew back. 14:03 mib_ep1dnc hmm odd name... 14:03 mib_ep1dnc Schuster 14:03 wahanui Schuster is probably a fan of hawaiian shirts 14:03 mib_ep1dnc only at conferences. 14:03 mib_ep1dnc http://mibpaste.com/R0SKJV 14:04 mib_ep1dnc This is what I see when I go into circ/fine rules 14:04 mib_ep1dnc Not all of the preferences seem broken, but it could be my data I guess... It migrated fine though to 3.3... 14:04 ropuch magnuse: don't know 14:04 ropuch bbl 14:07 oleonard mib_ep1dnc: Is that supposed to be a screenshot? I see garbled characters. 14:08 mib_ep1dnc Yep that is what I see when I go into circ rules. 14:08 magnuse it's copy/paste i think? 14:09 kf hm doesn't open for me 14:09 kf or still waiting... 14:10 oleonard mib_ep1dnc: You see this? http://screencast.com/t/n8nRjUGp9c 14:11 magnuse that's what i see too, at least 14:13 kf same here 14:13 kf looks really weird 14:13 kf hm 3.3 - after tempalte change? 14:15 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6949] can't remove owner from budget <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6949> / [Bug 7024] Can't delete other library's messages to the patron with AllowAllMessageDeletion on <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7024> 14:16 oleonard schuster2: You see this on your screen? http://screencast.com/t/n8nRjUGp9c 14:17 oleonard schuster2? 14:18 schuster2 yep! 14:18 schuster2 I'm trying to snag a screen shot of the about page and share it too. 14:19 oleonard schuster2: If you see that garbage on your screen it has nothing to do with your version. Your installation is broken somehow 14:21 schuster2 I was afraid of that... hmmmm guess I will have to play some more... I was wondering if it could just be the templates, but will go and do some exploration... 14:21 schuster2 Thanks 14:22 libsysguy morning #Koha 14:25 kf morning libsysguy :) 14:38 paul_p magnuse: ??? 14:41 miguel hello all 14:42 paul_p hi miguel 14:43 tcohen hi miguel 14:43 kf hi paul_p and miguel 14:45 libsysguy ok So i have a question about lists on the opac-results page 14:46 libsysguy when you click save on that form there is supposed to be a popup 14:46 libsysguy where is that code, becuase I am not getting the popup to save 14:47 kf hm I think you have to chooose an option first 14:47 kf I know I have asked about this too 14:47 kf yep 14:48 kf you have to select list or cart first 14:48 libsysguy from where kf? 14:51 oleonard libsysguy: From the "add to" menu 14:51 libsysguy http://catalog.uttyler.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=lasers# 14:52 libsysguy the Add to list: medu? 14:52 libsysguy menu** 14:53 libsysguy I have cart disabled...so maybe thats why I don't see that option 14:54 nengard FB has changed it's policies related to pages - this means that the Koha FB page won't be auto fed with Koha news - I have a way around it but I need you all (those of you on FB) to go to this link: http://www.networkedblogs.com/blog/koha-ils and validate me as the 'author' - I'm hoping there is a link on that page for you to do that, I'm not seeing it but it might be because I'm the one trying to get 'author' status 14:54 oleonard libsysguy: you'll see the option if you're logged in. 14:56 magnuse nengard: done - i got your pic and name and "is this the author yes/no" 14:56 libsysguy hmm I'm logged in and I just get Add to list: -> Your lists: {my lists} 14:56 nengard thanks magnus 14:57 libsysguy but when I select one and click save I should get an popup right? 14:57 nengard i'll add more authors once it's approved 14:57 nengard kind of annoyed at FB right now 14:57 magnuse nengard: now it says "Received 3 of 6 confirmations." 14:57 nengard change the design all you want but don't screw with my functionality 14:57 wahanui nengard: that doesn't look right 14:57 libsysguy who's not annoyed with facebook 14:57 nengard we just need two more confirmations :) 14:58 nengard anyone on FB willing to click the magic link? 14:58 rhcl http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20119811-92/dennis-ritchie-father-of-c-programming-language-dies/ 14:58 libsysguy what is the link 14:58 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6913] Improving koha-list and koha-create <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913> 14:59 nengard http://www.networkedblogs.com/blog/koha-ils 14:59 libsysguy done 15:03 nengard thanks 15:03 nengard one more 15:03 wahanui one more is better than one less but yeah they should be the same 15:04 dschust1 ok I think you made it. 15:08 wizzyrea someone wants me to put the book "TURTLES IN YOUR POCKET 15:08 wizzyrea A GUIDE TO FRESHWATER & TERRESTRIAL TURTLES OF THE UPPER MIDWEST" in my collection 15:08 wizzyrea this makes me giggle. 15:17 libsysguy oleonard I think I see the issue 15:17 libsysguy if you don't have the book bag enabled then it never calls the cartList function 15:18 libsysguy which I think you need for lists too 15:20 oleonard I think you're right libsysguy. If you file a bug I'll work on it. 15:24 oleonard Or are you working on a fix libsysguy? 15:25 libsysguy well I'm not exactly tracking master 15:28 libsysguy oleonard to fix it i basically just removed the if opacbookbag 15:28 libsysguy i don't know why it was there in the first place 15:28 libsysguy maybe somebody just got tt happy 15:33 oleonard Did the command line syspref editor make it into master? 15:35 * oleonard finds it 15:37 dschust1 oleonard - where did you find it? 15:37 oleonard misc/admin/koha-preferences 15:37 dschust1 thanks 15:38 kf bye all :) 15:44 sekjal I think I've successfully removed C4::Items dependency on C4::Reserves 15:51 wizzyrea \o/ 15:51 reiveune bye 15:52 sekjal going to have to do all kinds of tests to prove whether or not that makes any speed improvement, but it certainly doesn't hurt 16:00 dschust1 oleonard - about my problem earlier - for some reason some of my templates were corrupt. I copied them over and they seem to be fine now... who knows. 16:00 oleonard Copied them over? I thought it was a git install? 16:03 dschust1 Ok I'm going to show my stupidity here... After I git the files, I have always run a full install process to install it in /usr/share/koha 16:04 oleonard You should be using git to put the files in the same location that you run your installation 16:05 oleonard Are you following the INSTALL file? 16:05 dschust1 INSTALL.debian 16:05 wahanui i think INSTALL.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian 16:08 oleonard Good. 16:08 dschust1 So what I did was git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone - which pulls the files to my local server. Then I use the instructions for INSTALL.debian to "install" my system. 16:08 oleonard Right, but you shouldn't move the files from where git puts them 16:09 dschust1 I have never fully understood how to install a "test" system other than that. 16:09 dschust1 I put the kohaclone as a directory of its own - but when I run make and make test - it puts the files in /usr/share/koha 16:10 dschust1 My problem earlier - was that the about.tt in /kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt - was ok but the "copy" that was placed at: 16:12 oleonard I don't understand why there would be a copy...doesn't make sense to me. 16:12 dschust1 as 16:13 dschust1 usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt was corrupt 16:13 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7019] Circulation History Sort Order Wrong <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7019> 16:13 dschust1 All I know is when I compared those two the second one started with ULL - so I copied it and now it works fine. 16:16 cait hi #koha 16:17 rhcl hi #cait 16:17 cait hi rhcl :) 16:17 rhcl koha cait - has a certain ring I think 16:17 cait :) 16:19 dschust1 Well thanks again community I have a 3.4.5 version up and running to play with... talk again soon. I have to go pickup a storyteller at the airport for our Annual Lonestar Storytelling Festival this weekend in Frisco Texas! Bil Lepp - nationally acclaimed liar! 16:23 oleonard I wonder if there are libraries that would like a separate preference for opac and staff virtual shelves 16:40 cait oleonard: I think it would be nice to make them more granular 16:40 cait oleonard: what I dream of is activting/deactivating open/public/private by category... 16:40 * oleonard too 16:41 oleonard I guess that means we should just do it :P 16:42 paul_p better and better = define groups that you share your shelves with 16:43 oleonard One step at a time! 16:43 bg heya oleonard and paul_p :) 16:45 oleonard Hi bg 16:46 cait oleonard: I amwilling ot help :) 16:46 cait oleonard: I stared at the code for lists for a while... beofre 3.4... but need some help there 16:47 oleonard Yeah, the lists code is hard (for me)... It was done in a style not very much like other Koha sections 16:51 * cait nods 16:51 cait I had system preferences done... and all, but couldn't figure out the logic 16:51 cait I think some of it could be less complicated now with TT 16:51 cait because we can check for tihngs more easily 17:01 jcamins_away cait: "Holding library" works. 17:08 cait hi jcamins_away :) 17:08 hdl oleonard: some libraries ask for independent shelves between branches. 17:09 cait another good point 17:24 jcamins_away bug 6553 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6553 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Parentheses in corporate author break tracings 17:32 trea is there a syspref to show only available items by default in the opac search? 17:32 cait no 17:32 cait in the result list? 17:32 cait you can limit to available items 17:32 wizzyrea that would be awesome tho 17:33 cait perhaps you could construct something to add that parameter to the url always? 17:33 trea mmmk 17:33 wizzyrea well, show where? on the detail or results? 17:35 wizzyrea you might be able to nuke out rows in the items detail based on keyword 17:35 wizzyrea with jquery 17:35 wizzyrea (but I haven't tried it) 17:37 trea yes, sorry in the results list 17:46 nengard need more report help if possible - i need a report to show me the patrons who have email addresses who aren't receiving the holds email 17:46 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/82 17:46 rangi slef: when you say 3.8 on bug 7022 do you mean 3.6 ? 17:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7022 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , should sample_notices_message_attributes and sample_notices_message_transports move to mandatory? 17:47 nengard that paste of mine isn't working ? obviously 17:47 rangi answer is yes, if someone sends a patch to do it 17:47 cait I can 17:48 cait it's only moving the files, right? 17:48 cait txt and sql? 17:48 rangi should be 17:57 oleonard good morning rangi 18:01 cait oh, and hi rangi 18:01 trea_lunch kia ora rangi 18:02 rangi heya 18:15 nengard cait, wanna help with another report? 18:16 nengard [13:45] <nengard> need more report help if possible - i need a report to show me the patrons who have email addresses who aren't receiving the holds email 18:16 nengard [13:45] <pastebot> "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/82 18:16 cait sure :) 18:16 cait ah 18:16 cait haven#t we done that before? 18:16 cait it sounds very familiar 18:16 cait or I have done it for liz 18:16 nengard maybe you helped me write that ? 18:16 nengard I don't remember writing it :) but it's not working 18:16 nengard :( 18:16 cait i will look at it :) 18:17 cait only have a small database here 18:18 cait hm 18:18 nengard i'm okay if you get one result - i'm getting none 18:18 cait works for me 18:19 nengard you get people? 18:19 nengard hmmm 18:19 cait yep 18:19 nengard and grrr 18:19 nengard okay 18:19 nengard i'm out of ideas 18:19 nengard ideas 18:20 wizzyrea syntax error? 18:21 cait hm 18:21 cait check this 18:21 libsysguy nengard just wanted to let you know that you can probably close that ticket that margo submitted to bywater 18:21 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/83 18:21 nengard cait i get no results and i have at least one patron who meets the criteria 18:21 libsysguy about list** 18:22 nengard i just changed their settings 18:22 cait ah 18:22 nengard libsysguy okay 18:22 cait does he have any other message preference set? 18:22 cait he has 18:23 nengard yes 18:23 libsysguy nengard also I wrote a script for overdue notices and fines that can go in the cron incase you have anybody wanting to send out more than 3 overdues...just set the cron on whatever frequency...let me know if you want a copy 18:23 nengard libsysguy talk to sekjal about that 18:23 nengard cait my patron is getting 2 other notices, but not holds 18:23 libsysguy is he around? 18:23 libsysguy seen sekjal? 18:23 wahanui sekjal was last seen on #koha 2 hours, 31 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: going to have to do all kinds of tests to prove whether or not that makes any speed improvement, but it certainly doesn't hurt [Thu Oct 13 15:51:12 2011] 18:23 cait ok 18:23 cait let me check something 18:26 cait does this make a difference? 18:26 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/84 18:26 nengard i get results 18:26 nengard let me see if they're accurate 18:27 nengard looks like it's working!! 18:27 nengard let me try on the partner's system 18:27 nengard grrrr - still nothing for them 18:28 cait werid 18:28 sekjal libsysguy: new script? 18:28 cait what I would do 18:28 cait for the patron where you know it should show up 18:28 cait check the conditions 18:29 cait go through them and see where the difference is 18:29 nengard k 18:29 libsysguy yeah I am attaching it to the bug now 18:29 libsysguy basically just a little script to send out overdues and fines that you can toss in the cron 18:30 wizzyrea libsysguy: i'm sure that people have been wanting that for a while 18:30 wizzyrea to get more than 3 notices 18:30 libsysguy yeah I know I have been...poor margo was doing them all by hand with mail merges 18:32 libsysguy bug 6833 18:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6833 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Notifications Rewrite 18:32 libsysguy there you go 18:34 rangi back 18:55 sekjal libsysguy: first things I notice about the script are the hardcoded values 18:56 libsysguy you mean for the email values? 18:59 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3385] Add checkout date and renewal date to display list of checked out items <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3385> 19:05 oleonard So now if you submit the checkout form with no barcode instead of clearing the screen you get a print receipt popup. Can we turn that off? 19:05 * oleonard has a hate-hate relationship with that feature 19:07 maximep anyone ever had the error "oAuth error: Unsupported Use attribute (114) Heading-Main Bib-1" in the logs when searching authorities ? 19:07 maximep and no results 19:13 cait hm 19:13 cait there were problems with authority searching 19:13 cait but htought that had been fixed 19:13 maximep oh. I have a master from a few weeks 19:13 maximep maybe that's it 19:14 rangi back 19:14 rangi again 19:14 maximep or not. It seems to work on another db, but not on one imported from 3.2. /me is confused 19:14 cait hm 19:15 cait you have run the items script and things? 19:15 cait right? 19:15 cait after importing from 3.2? 19:15 cait should not affect authority searching though 19:15 cait is this a git install? 19:16 maximep yes 19:16 maximep the items script and things? 19:16 cait yes to git? 19:17 cait because the indexing files live in koha-dev 19:17 maximep yes, like I said, it's master from a few weeks 19:17 cait and a git pull will not update them 19:17 maximep oh ok 19:17 cait so the files could be older 19:34 libsysguy ok so I have a query question 19:34 libsysguy I am trying to pull the 001 datafield from marc 19:34 libsysguy and i keep getting a blank 19:34 libsysguy but if I just output the marc I see it 19:36 libsysguy i am running "select ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="001"]') AS OCLC, i.itemnumber FROM biblioitems b join items i on b.biblioitemnumber=i.biblioitemnumber WHERE location="REFERENCE" limit 1\G" 19:37 sekjal libsysguy: use 'controlfield' isntead of 'datafield' 19:37 libsysguy just saw that 19:37 libsysguy thanks sekjal 19:40 rangi hiya melia 19:42 phlunk3 morning o/ 19:42 rangi hey phlunk3 19:43 rangi you're in tauranga eh? 19:43 phlunk3 yeap 19:43 oleonard We don't have a global date-and-time format function do we? 19:43 rangi C4::Dates 19:44 rangi has that stuff oleonard 19:44 maximep updating koha-dev/etc/zebradb worked. Thanks for the help cait 19:44 rangi http://perldoc.koha-community.org/C4/Dates.html 19:45 cait maximep: glad it helped :) 19:46 oleonard ...but not a shortcut like format_date 19:47 rangi well you have to parse the thing first 19:47 rangi its a 2 liner 19:47 rangi there is format_date_in_iso shortcut 19:48 rangi my $date1 = C4::Dates->new("09-21-1989","us"); 19:48 rangi print $date->output("iso"); 19:48 rangi etc 19:48 oleonard We don't even have a time format system pref, so doing time formatting would be presumptuous. 19:48 rangi yep 19:48 rangi thats something we should extend it to do at some point too 19:48 rangi however 19:49 rangi with bug 5549 19:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans 19:49 rangi we have started on the move to the Koha/ names space 19:49 rangi so extending the new Koha::Dates would be the way to go 19:49 * rangi blathers 19:53 libsysguy anybody know how bug 5549 is going as far as QA 19:55 sekjal libsysguy: I have it installed locally, but I haven't started putting it through the wringer yet 19:56 libsysguy all patches should fear the wringer of sekjal 19:56 cait yeah really 19:56 cait he gives me some headache about analytics 19:58 oleonard Is someone working on a Fines overhaul atm? 19:58 cait i thought robin started on it 19:59 rangi yeah its underway 19:59 sekjal oleonard: yes, eythian is working on that 20:00 rangi its also shifting to the Koha:: namespace 20:05 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 2601] Order fines by date and time <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2601> 20:06 oleonard So maybe in the meantime ^^ 20:06 rangi sounds good 20:07 rangi hacky 20:07 rangi but will work 20:07 rangi this will hang the makeaccounts 20:07 rangi for a second 20:08 rangi ie slow down the browser 20:08 rangi so how about 20:08 rangi we do something like now()+5 20:09 sekjal rangi: just tried your mod_perl configs for Koha 20:09 rangi did they work? 20:09 * oleonard is happy to have a better suggestion prompted by a hacky fix for a 3-year-old bug :) 20:09 rangi its been a long time since i looked 20:09 sekjal after some tweaking to fit my particular install, yes 20:09 rangi cool 20:09 sekjal I am finding some strangeness on circ/circulation.pl, though 20:09 rangi yeah its not mod_perl safe 20:10 sekjal the circ toolbar is coming up as links only, and the checkouts table is only the headings, not the actual checkouts 20:10 rangi because we dont clean up, we bank on the cgi dying and doing that for us 20:10 * chris_n heads home 20:10 sekjal but only the SECOND time a visit the page 20:10 rangi *nod* 20:11 sekjal rangi: what would such a clean up look like? 20:11 rangi any variables that shouldnt be persistent need to become not persistent 20:12 rangi heres an example 20:12 rangi if (exists $sysprefs{$var}) { 20:12 rangi return $sysprefs{$var}; 20:12 rangi } 20:12 rangi in C4/Context 20:13 rangi fixed by this 20:13 rangi sub clear_syspref_cache { %sysprefs = (); 20:13 rangi } 20:13 rangi which needs to be done anytime a syspref is changed 20:13 rangi those kinda things 20:13 rangi does that help? 20:13 sekjal a bit... 20:13 rangi if you look at set_preference now 20:13 rangi it doesnt do that 20:13 rangi so under mod_perl you cant change a preference without restarting apache 20:14 rangi (it will change in the db, not in ram) 20:14 rangi there are bound to be other things like that 20:14 sekjal checkouts seem to be 20:14 rangi its likely 20:17 hdl rangi : we did wome work on set_preference to update the hash... 20:17 hdl It is working. 20:18 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=commit;h=fa73ff898a054b59e27de58a116cd03cd85074ba 20:19 ropuch Evening #koha 20:20 rangi hdl: yep, i remember you and i did it at kohacon 20:20 rangi but its never made it into master 20:20 hdl this was even better. 20:21 rangi you should submit it up (wont make 3.6 obv) but no reason it cant make 3.8 20:21 hdl since it is updating a syspref when it is updated. 20:22 octp hi. I emptied the mysql dbs biblioitems, items and biblios and rebuilt the zebra index, but can find my records in the search? how do I reset my whole catalogue? 20:22 octp tables* :) 20:22 ropuch Can you recommend some perl web-automation module? 20:22 hdl just wanted to tell you in case anyone needed that. 20:23 hdl WWW::Mechanizer 20:23 hdl You can also use Test::WWW::Mechanizer 20:24 hdl Or SeleniumHQ which is recording your web browsing. 20:24 hdl and can generate PERL scripts 20:24 ropuch I'll check Selenium then, thx 20:25 rangi hdl: excellent 20:27 hdl any experience with spagoBI anyone ? 20:29 rangi oleonard: i was thinking date_add(now(),'5 seconds') 20:29 rangi might do it 20:29 rangi if you had time to test that? 20:29 rangi or 1 second 20:29 rangi or whatever 20:30 rangi then it shouldnt slow the script down 20:31 hdl rangi: you told you had some success with nginx, Plack and circulation any hint on the configuration you realized ? 20:31 oleonard Okay rangi, I'll give it a try 20:32 rangi hdl: just using nginx to serve static, and to proxy through to starman 20:32 rangi using the koha.psgi we worked on 20:32 rangi what needs to be done is make it installable, and remove any memory leaks 20:32 hdl no problems of memory ? 20:33 rangi yes 20:33 rangi thats why its not ready for master yet 20:33 rangi there are still things that dont get cleaned up 20:33 hdl was that stable enough for production though ? 20:34 hdl (restarting the server via runit or monit could be done) 20:34 rangi yep 20:34 rangi its too fragile yet 20:34 rangi but it works if you are keeping an eye on it 20:35 rangi its not far away from production, early next year i hope 20:35 rangi once im not rm and have some time to actually work on code 20:35 rangi gotta package starman for debian etc too 20:37 rangi after the release would you like to have a meeting to talk about persistence, we can make a wip branch we can all push to 20:41 hdl could be interesting... But could also be the place to a C4::Context and configuration.... 20:41 hdl In order to add etc/httpserver/apache2/configuration etc/httpserver/nginx 20:42 rangi yep 20:42 hdl wonder how this could get with debian packaging.... debconf would help... But it should ask the good questions. 20:43 rangi there are 2 packages 20:43 rangi koha-common and koha 20:43 rangi koha-common asks you the questions as config switches when you create an instance 20:43 rangi koha 20:43 rangi is for running a single server 20:44 rangi that one would do the debconf questions and call the scripts provided by koha-common 20:48 hdl maybe one day I can play more with that. 20:50 rangi hdl: make eythian spend some time with paul and julian at kohacon :) get him to show them the tricks and then they can show you 20:50 rangi :) 20:52 * gmcharlt is going to be annoying for a second 20:52 gmcharlt @arewethereyet 20:52 huginn gmcharlt: Not yet - wait 9 days 20:53 * gmcharlt will review patches as penance ;) 20:57 rangi :) 21:10 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7022] should sample_notices_message_attributes and sample_notices_message_transports move to mandatory? <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7022> 21:16 Brooke kia ora 21:17 rangi heya Brooke 21:17 rangi jo was after you on twitter 21:17 Brooke eh oh 21:18 rangi :) 21:23 magnuse g'night #koha 21:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6519 : Changing analytic searches from Title: to ti,phr <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31d748665a396582ad344249c3dfd394b6047f85> 21:25 jenkins_koha Starting build 477 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:30 Judit morning 21:30 Brooke morena! 21:33 Judit i need coffeeee 21:33 cait wb Judit :) 21:36 Judit wb? 21:39 wizzyrea wb is welcome back 21:39 wizzyrea :) 21:39 Judit omg 21:40 Judit it is that early for me :) 21:41 Judit but thanks cait 21:42 rhcl Anybody know Brice Stanley by chance? https://github.com/bricestacey/php-sip/blob/master/sipapi.module 21:42 rangi not me 21:45 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 5780 followup: RIS export now includes all URLs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=72eeac56fdb967d3fcfb08fc3f8dfb56bf74e755> / Bug 5780 - Export the URI as part of a RIS export <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=412666e52b4e8f7bc5ae70f2b2978b1bd088a885> 21:55 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7027] Corrections to German web installer txt files <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7027> 22:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6807 - Add ISBN filter to advanced order search. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c9ab3678a9ab747eb9f5a89a4a6972a861fa9ca> 22:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #477: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/477/ 22:13 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6519 : Changing analytic searches from Title: to ti,phr 22:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6519 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Analytic links should use ti,phr 22:13 jenkins_koha Starting build 478 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:23 bg @wunder 93109 22:23 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 31.9�C (3:22 PM PDT on October 13, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Falling). 22:23 bg damn check that rangi 22:24 bg @wunder wellington nz 22:24 huginn bg: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 14, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). 22:24 rangi dizzam! 22:24 bg yeah was 35 here yesterday 22:24 rangi @wunder vancouver 22:24 bg in October 22:24 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found. 22:24 bg heh 22:24 rangi @wunder vancouver, ca 22:24 huginn rangi: Error: No such location could be found. 22:24 rangi you dumbhead 22:24 bg @wunder vancouver, bc 22:24 huginn bg: The current temperature in Vancouver, British Columbia is 11.0�C (3:00 PM PDT on October 13, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). 22:24 rangi thanks :) 22:24 rangi hmm 22:24 rangi i best pack a warm jacket 22:24 bg ah that's cold - heh 22:25 bg come visit here again chris :) 22:25 rangi june eh? 22:25 bg yeah 22:25 bg totally 22:26 rangi :) 22:26 rangi if hte dates work, doing ALA then kohacon or vice versa would be excellent 22:27 cait but scotland beats ala, right? :) 22:27 rangi in a pinch 22:27 rangi but lets hope it doesnt come to that 22:40 bg ah yeah - would should let slef know 22:40 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b83c3896456a20ad3612e4f91e4b63fcaf3bfb02> / Bug 6825 OpacNav menu hide user menu on opac-user.pl page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7cbdd3d0bcc4bf06f65ed1fec16d506fa8f217f> 22:45 bg rangi it's almost too hot for a shaggy puppy here 22:46 rangi isnt it supposed to be going into winter? 22:46 bg he's slower today - but we went for a great run this morning when it was cool 22:46 rangi on the beach? 22:46 bg yup - but around here we don't get winter 22:46 bg on the beach oh yeah 22:46 rangi cool 22:46 rangi tis a good beach 22:46 bg we get a few weeks of cold - but that hovers between 7 and 14 :) 22:47 rangi right so never cold cold 22:47 bg yeah - I can wear shorts during the day in the winter here 22:48 bg I think my favorite email to read is always from Git repo owner 22:48 rangi heh 22:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f85c06d0c0330bc4512db8000b9898ac75fe7481> / Bug 6862: Duplicate VOKAL Book icons <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ebd03e31e2a1cf2c30b97f2af48e283212d7a49a> 22:51 bg git_repo_owner++ 22:51 rangi ohh bug 6070 22:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6070 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , On a new order defined from suggestion some fields were missing. 22:52 rangi glad thats fixed 22:52 rangi thats the next on my list to test and push 22:53 cait hm 6070? 22:54 rangi hmm no 22:54 rangi thats wrong 22:54 rangi 6970 22:54 rangi bug 6970 22:54 wahanui bug 6970 is the weirdest bug I've seen in a whlie 22:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , logout not redirecting to login page 22:55 cait hehe 22:55 cait wahanui botsnack butterkeks 22:55 wahanui :) 23:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #478: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/478/ 23:02 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5780 - Export the URI as part of a RIS export 23:02 jenkins_koha * gmc: bug 5780 followup: RIS export now includes all URLs 23:02 jenkins_koha * amit.gupta: Bug 6807 - Add ISBN filter to advanced order search. 23:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5780 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , RIS format export not exporting URI field 23:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6807 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, amit.gupta, ASSIGNED , Add ISBN filter to advanced order search 23:02 jenkins_koha Starting build 479 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #479: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/479/ 23:50 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6825 OpacNav menu hide user menu on opac-user.pl page 23:50 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version 23:50 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6862: Duplicate VOKAL Book icons 23:50 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version 23:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6825 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , OpacNav menu hide user menu on opac-user.pl page 23:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6862 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Duplicate VOKAL icons can cause problems on Windows file system