Time Nick Message
23:18 eythian mostly I want it to be able to work out what instances should be active, and test them all, so that you don't have to reconfigure nagios each time you add or remove a koha instance.
23:18 Judit other than testing
23:18 Judit anything we can help with?
23:17 Judit okay
23:17 eythian I plan to make them interact smartly with the packages at some stage, that's why I haven't released them properly yet
23:17 eythian add the catalyst repo to your git, and checkout the 'nagios' branch from it.
23:16 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/nagios
23:16 Judit hm
23:16 eythian they're not as complete as I want, but you're welcome to use them
23:15 eythian Judit: yeah, I have some
23:15 Judit eythian, i have heard there are some nagios plugins for koha cooking somewhere. any update or eta you know of?
23:15 jcamins It does indeed.
23:15 eythian looks like it does, from the examples
23:14 eythian jcamins: this also applies when you don't have the host item, just the article itself?
23:13 eythian jcamins: cheers
23:13 jcamins ^^ eythian
23:13 huginn jcamins: Information concerning the host item for the constituent unit described in the record (vertical relationship). In the case of host items that are serial or multi-volume in nature, information in subfields $g and $q is necessary to point to the exact location of the component part within the bibliographic item. (Repeatable) [b,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,3,6,7,8]
23:13 jcamins @marc 773
23:13 eythian any cataloguers around? Say I have an article from a magazine or similar (but not the whole magazine), where in MARC would I put the name of that source.
23:03 rangi http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html
23:03 eythian it was added at least 2 weeks ago!
23:02 eythian you are so out of date
23:02 huginn eythian: unknown tag 264
23:02 eythian @marc 264
22:55 rangi ahh cool
22:55 liw for a business trip
22:54 rangi you're in montreal?
22:54 liw +19 in Montreal, but the sun already set
22:54 eythian metservice says 15, but it's still raining.
22:54 eythian according to my computer
22:54 eythian it's apparently 18�C here
22:53 Judit sunny!
22:51 rangi hows things?
22:51 trea hi rangi
22:51 rangi hi liw, trea and Judit
22:49 eythian hi liw, Judit.
22:49 Judit hullo
22:49 liw eythian++
22:45 rangi packages++
22:33 eythian sweet
22:32 muddle Installation complete, seems to run fine - thank you!
22:28 muddle That is certainly true.
22:27 eythian (browsing is kinda meaningless when there's 50,000 records)
22:27 eythian there's no browsing per se, typically the search interface is used.
22:26 muddle think = thing
22:26 muddle One more think - if I may - is there some kind of "browse mode" inside the staff interface for the titles I entered?
22:25 muddle That's what I was hoping.
22:25 eythian (and if they don't, file a bug :)
22:25 eythian ah right. Hopefully the packages will do all that magically for you.
22:24 muddle Again, thanks. Trying to get a fresh install as I was having some problems with the preconfigured Koha Debian VM I tested (it would not properly update the Zebra Index).
22:22 eythian It ought to be though
22:22 eythian I'm not sure. Possibly not.
22:22 eythian sweet
22:22 muddle Is that documented somewhere?
22:22 muddle Got it, thanks! Seems to work.
22:21 eythian (ndz in your case I suspect)
22:21 eythian where abc is what you put on koha-create
22:20 muddle Ah, ok. I'll check.
22:20 eythian like, 'koha_abc'
22:20 rangi it will be soomethin like koha_abc
22:20 eythian use the name that's in the file
22:20 rangi its very unlikely to be kohauser
22:20 eythian don't use "kohauser"
22:20 rangi not the zebrauser name
22:20 rangi down the bottom
22:20 muddle Yep, exactly what I did.
22:20 eythian the staff interface
22:20 eythian err yes
22:20 rangi :)
22:20 muddle I tried to login using "kohauser" and the password inside the XML file.
22:20 rangi the staff interface that is
22:20 eythian If you go to the opac interface, it should ask you to use the details in koha-conf.xml to log in, and it'll set up the database for you.
22:19 eythian that's all good.
22:19 muddle I ran: "koha-create --create-db abc"
22:19 eythian OK, that's kind of normal the first time.
22:18 muddle http://mibpaste.com/ISyeKQ
22:18 eythian also, what was your koha-create command line?
22:17 muddle Sure.
22:17 eythian can you provide an example?
22:17 muddle Install seems fine, I created a site using "koha-create" - but can't login using the credetials inside my new "koha-conf.xml". Error log shows a lot of SQL errors.
22:16 eythian cool
22:15 muddle Hi there! I'm fairly new to Koha and trying my first setup on Debian Squeeze using the "koha-common" package.
22:14 cait night all
21:40 eythian http://grooveshark.com/#/album/Princess+Ghibli/6050299 <-- music for today
21:39 melia hehe
21:39 eythian what sort of Georgian are you?
21:36 melia gross
21:35 eythian http://www.bigtexan.com/free72.html <-- hungry?
20:56 rangi yeah i think thats it
20:55 rangi ahh
20:55 rangi |html i think
20:54 cait | url?
20:52 rangi [% z3950_search_param.encvalue %]
20:48 rangi (first one is obv the broken one)
20:48 wizzyrea oyyy
20:47 rangi strQuery += "&" + "title" + "=" + "kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20%22bear%22";
20:46 rangi strQuery += "&" + "title" + "=" + "kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20"bear"";
20:46 rangi yep broken js
20:44 rangi yeah its gotta be some js/css thing
20:44 wizzyrea oh I see
20:44 rangi with the highlight/unhilight etc
20:43 rangi notice its not showing the bar at all
20:43 rangi http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=%22bear%22
20:42 rangi ah ha!
20:42 wizzyrea criminy.
20:42 wizzyrea lol or not.
20:42 rangi so there must be something that turns them on
20:41 rangi in the working one!
20:41 rangi <input type="checkbox" class="selection" id="bib2475" name="biblionumber" value="2475" style="display:none" />
20:41 wizzyrea well display none would def do it
20:41 rangi in the not working one
20:41 rangi <input type="checkbox" class="selection" id="bib2488" name="biblionumber" value="2488" style="display:none" />
20:40 wizzyrea (unintentionally ^.^_
20:40 rangi i wouldnt have thought so
20:40 wizzyrea ifxed is fixed
20:40 wizzyrea something in the last week that ifxed it?
20:40 wizzyrea hrm
20:39 rangi weird
20:39 rangi yeah its ok on my master one
20:39 wizzyrea (that's where the grabs came from)
20:39 wizzyrea i was looking at our production server, which is master up to about a week ago
20:39 * rangi updates his master one
20:39 rangi its what its there for
20:38 * wizzyrea took the liberty
20:38 wizzyrea naw it's empty
20:38 rangi hmm i wouldnt think so
20:38 wizzyrea prolly not it's a demo
20:38 rangi thats 3.4.4
20:38 wizzyrea something anything in intranetuserjs?
20:37 wizzyrea o lookie there
20:37 rangi staff1
20:37 rangi staff
20:37 rangi http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=%22bear%22
20:37 wizzyrea keke
20:37 rangi it works ok on one koha, not on the other!
20:37 rangi oh i lie
20:36 rangi no problemo
20:35 wizzyrea ty for double checking that
20:35 wizzyrea now
20:35 rangi :)
20:35 wizzyrea for nwo
20:35 wizzyrea so just leave that one
20:35 wizzyrea i will look
20:35 wizzyrea perhaps we have something funny in our js
20:35 wizzyrea that's telling
20:35 wizzyrea ok
20:35 rangi at least i have checkboxes showing fine
20:35 wizzyrea no, I don't think that's true
20:35 rangi maybe
20:34 wizzyrea oooo
20:34 rangi ie if you dont get back a title that contains the "" its fine
20:34 rangi its only if you get a result
20:34 * wizzyrea channels her three year old "and I NEED them!"
20:34 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
20:34 rangi interesting
20:33 wizzyrea my computer works just fine with that many, ty
20:33 wizzyrea lulz
20:33 rangi and close some tabs sheesh
20:33 * rangi looks
20:33 rangi a quick view source would tell ya
20:32 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/HfAi35OzA with quotes http://screencast.com/t/sHen9LQKE without quotes
20:32 rangi yup
20:31 wizzyrea i'm workin on something else rather dire or I"d poke at it
20:31 wizzyrea must be
20:31 rangi unescaped "" in the html?
20:30 wizzyrea just the tickboxes are missing
20:30 wizzyrea the search works
20:29 wizzyrea ooold
20:29 wizzyrea that's ooole
20:29 wizzyrea right I knew about the parens
20:29 cait wizzyrea: try a search for 5) - doesn't work too
20:29 wizzyrea "m" is for malice or "bear" or whatever
20:29 wizzyrea search for a book
20:28 wizzyrea the tickboxes are gone
20:28 wizzyrea with quotes in it
20:28 wizzyrea if you do a search in the staff client
20:28 wizzyrea oh that's funny
20:26 nengard ttyl
20:26 nengard k logging off for a bit
20:22 rangi cool
20:22 nengard 2 unused (that i know of) and 2 i was unsure of
20:22 nengard 4 trouble fields
20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
20:22 nengard categories table documented and attached to bug 6716
20:19 rangi that'd do it
20:19 rangi :)
20:19 nengard :)
20:19 nengard on the screen
20:19 nengard table was wrapping
20:19 rangi hmm i wonder where that came from
20:19 nengard nevermind
20:18 nengard rangi i actually have data in that field in my db
20:17 rangi so i think its a candidate to be removed
20:17 rangi i can find no reference to it in the code anywhere
20:15 rangi finetype is not used
20:15 cait f and fu and all those?
20:14 rangi s
20:14 * rangi look
20:14 nengard db documentation help - in the categories table - what is the fine type and what do the codes mean?
20:00 rangi night mangus
19:59 * magnuse nids #koha a good night
19:58 magnuse sounds useful!
19:56 rangi https://metacpan.org/module/Data::Show
19:55 magnuse too true!
19:52 rangi yep there sure are
19:51 jcamins If only I had a lot more time than I do... there are so many interesting projects out there.
19:49 magnuse in the end i exported the records and patrons just moved them over...
19:49 magnuse hey, i want bathroom stuff called koha!
19:48 rangi it takes some effort
19:48 rangi yeah, ive done a few
19:48 magnuse i had the pleasure of upgrading a 2.2.9 about a year ago...
19:48 oleonard http://www.methven.com/nz/ranges/koha/
19:48 oleonard Yeah, 2.x
19:48 jcamins Woah! I don't think I ever saw it looking like that!
19:48 magnuse that's 2.x, right?
19:47 cait yet...
19:46 rangi heh yes
19:45 oleonard-away Someone needs some new screenshots: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Libraries/Koha-16223.shtml
19:41 jcamins There's also the Linux Kiosk page on the wiki.
19:40 rangi ideally one that installs using th packages to make upgrading easy would be ideal
19:40 rangi could ask amit or savitra :)
19:40 rangi http://www.osslabs.biz/koha/livecd
19:39 rangi :)
19:39 * jcamins translates: no, I thought you were doing that, jcamins. ;)
19:38 rangi what is missing is one that uses the packages
19:38 rangi at least 5
19:37 rangi oh theres a bunch of them
19:36 jcamins Does anyone know who might have done that, and where whatever scripts are necessary for that might be?
19:36 jcamins Did I hear about someone making a bootable Koha demo CD?
19:32 rangi hmm i can try to find an old screenshot
19:31 * oleonard-away should probably remember himself
19:31 oleonard-away rangi: Do you remember how it used to do it?
19:28 jcamins Thanks.
19:28 jcamins Then I'd just as soon not redo it.
19:28 rangi up to you, i think either way is ok
19:28 rangi hmmmm
19:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW , koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error
19:28 jcamins_away rangi: worth redoing the patch for bug 6997 to use rm -f instead of [ -f $FILE ] && rm $FILE?
19:27 rangi cool
19:27 jcamins_away rangi: for the record, your proposal to add features makes sense to me.
19:17 rangi back
19:12 rangi bbiab
19:11 rangi ok my stop
19:11 magnuse wow
19:11 rangi yeah was this year magnuse
19:11 rangi koha comes round in a circle
19:11 rangi and the homeorholding syspref controlled what showed then that got change too
19:11 magnuse doesn't seem long ago that we passed 6000?
19:10 magnuse hm, i'm imagining a graph with years or months on the x axis and number of bugs reported on the y axis...
19:10 rangi got taken off
19:10 rangi lol it used to do that
19:09 rangi Hehe
19:09 magnuse yay!
19:09 nengard and it wasn't a bug
19:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results
19:09 nengard woo hoo I reported bug 7000 :)
19:08 magnuse ah yes, thanks nengard
19:06 nengard but you have to be on facebook to see it
19:06 nengard http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150217879571765&set=o.277830850701&type=1
19:06 nengard found it
19:03 rangi I filled one with mango slushy on the last day :)
19:03 rangi ah yeah
19:03 nengard i need to find it
19:03 nengard there was a great one with a kid using it as a sippy cup
19:02 rangi thanks
19:02 nengard http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/5868789934/in/set-72157627041246884
19:00 rangi thanks nengard
19:00 rangi thats them
19:00 nengard let me find it
19:00 nengard rangi i do
18:59 cait the violet things from ala?
18:59 cait oh a lot of them on flickr :)
18:59 rangi the whole booth was very cool
18:57 rangi hmm im sure nengard has a photo of them?
18:57 magnuse some kind of weird glass for beer, according to google image search?
18:56 magnuse halfyard?!?
18:56 magnuse and some lucky folks in canada will have the pleasure real soon...
18:56 rangi ppl still ask me 'is that a bong' about they ByWater halfyard on my desk
18:52 rangi yeah june was awesome
18:52 nengard rangi we miss you too!! but i was lucky and saw you in June :)
18:51 nengard ditto :)
18:51 magnuse ooh, yes please ;-)
18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support
18:51 magnuse bug 5528, bug 5549
18:51 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
18:51 rangi @later tell sekjal 5528 and 5549 are still fair game if we can get them tested before release so 12 days
18:49 rangi yep
18:49 magnuse and 3.2 was released on the 22nd!
18:49 magnuse hehe, likewise!
18:49 magnuse i left on the 19th of october
18:48 rangi no wonder I miss u guys
18:48 rangi wow that long ago
18:48 magnuse having said that, there is snow on the peaks now, down to about 500 meter above sea level
18:48 magnuse which is almost a year ago now
18:48 magnuse last year the first snow came while i was in nz
18:47 magnuse nah, could have been worse
18:47 nengard chilly
18:47 nengard wow
18:47 rangi heh
18:46 magnuse summer is but a faint memory...
18:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (8:20 PM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Steady).
18:46 magnuse @wunder boo
18:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.3�C (8:40 PM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Steady).
18:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:42 nengard it's like summer again
18:42 nengard warmer here :)
18:42 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 26.1�C (2:40 PM EDT on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady).
18:42 nengard @wunder 19030
18:42 rangi warm
18:41 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 11, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
18:41 rangi @wunder wellington nz
18:40 rangi who won the pool ( or was it snooker?)
18:40 libsysguy morning rangi
18:40 cait morning rangi
18:39 rangi morning
18:34 libsysguy slef thats awesome
18:33 libsysguy haha
18:33 slef biab
18:33 slef libsysguy: no, I mean for the vacuum
18:32 libsysguy one resuly
18:32 libsysguy and I am there
18:32 libsysguy anyway...im assuming you mean from the opac slef
18:32 libsysguy sorry got kicked
18:31 slef libsysguy: search for "desktop henry".
18:29 libsysguy I think margo is running something closer to 3.4
18:29 libsysguy didn't work in ff
18:27 libsysguy did you?
18:27 libsysguy i don't get a warning about it in chrome
18:27 libsysguy let me check
18:27 wahanui interesting is probably good
18:27 libsysguy interesting
18:15 nengard cause in chrome my pop up was blocked
18:14 nengard the one with the titles you're adding to the list?
18:14 nengard libsysguy are you getting the pop up?
18:13 nengard off to try chrome
18:13 nengard i tried in ff7
18:13 nengard heh
18:09 libsysguy not surprising...but it didn't work there either lol
18:09 libsysguy not the browser...i just tried in IE9
18:07 libsysguy chrome V 15.0.874
18:07 * nengard is grasping at straws
18:06 nengard browser version?
18:06 libsysguy just not though the add to list form
18:06 libsysguy i can add them one at a time with the save to list link in the item
18:05 libsysguy no just searching for cats
18:03 nengard any strange characters in the titles you're adding to the list?
18:03 nengard libsysguy it's working for me :(
18:02 libsysguy I don't think it is an issue in master but I just can't identify where im having an issue
18:02 libsysguy gracias nengard
18:02 nengard going to test
18:02 libsysguy opac master merged with hourly
18:02 libsysguy I was going to ask sekjal about notices and my patch that paul failed :-\
18:02 nengard and what version?
18:02 nengard opac or staff client?
18:01 libsysguy i guess i could throw out both...when i do the multiple selection add for lists they don't save
18:01 nengard if not they should :)
18:01 libsysguy my problem with the list or my question for sekjal?
18:01 nengard libsysguy i think 'think geek' has a keyboard vacuum :)
17:56 bg libsysguy: he's taking a holiday today
17:56 cait libsysguy: what's your problem?
17:56 libsysguy sekjal you around?
17:40 libsysguy so I am wondering if I am justing missing something
17:40 libsysguy and I have looked in the logs and I don't see anything
17:40 libsysguy so I am trying to trouble shoot an issue that I am having with the lists
17:34 libsysguy yes :)
17:33 cait for your keyboard?
17:26 * libsysguy considers investing in a vaccume cleaner
17:26 libsysguy i am at my keyboard for lunch...maybe thats why there are so many crumbs
17:26 wizzyrea afk, lunch.
17:26 wizzyrea hi libsysguy
17:21 libsysguy hi cait
17:20 libsysguy long time no see everybody
17:19 cait hi :)
17:19 * libsysguy waives
17:19 * slef waves at cait and goes to get a drink
17:17 * cait waves
16:44 slef it's unjust and isn't anti-spam anyway
16:40 slef grrrrrr why do library consultants defend the use of recaptcha, including the disabled=subhuman text?
16:23 ropuch_ Which still is quite mysterious
16:21 ropuch_ slef: think I got it: error was caused by non standard character in patron's category description
16:06 slef oleonard-away: I suspect I upset him so I felt I should try to clear it up.
16:06 nengard should it be AND or OR or both ?
16:06 hdl nengard: yes... what do you want as a feedback ?
16:05 nengard hdl you mean on that bug report? just how do people want it to work
16:05 oleonard-away slef: Thank you for your answer on the list about why changing the subject line is potentially confusing. Well put.
16:04 hdl nengard: what kind of feedback do you want ?
15:58 ropuch slef: there's no problem after truncating koha database, so the actual members data are causing this
15:50 reiveune bye
15:37 slef you need to spot a pattern in what's triggering this :(
15:37 ropuch memeberentry.pl and moremeber.pl don't have problem to display the same header-inc properly
15:33 ropuch Me too
15:33 slef hrm. I'm stumped. :(
15:32 ropuch Yes
15:32 slef are you sure, even
15:32 slef ropuch: are you user the polish letters are utf-8 and not latin-2 (or whichever it is)
15:31 slef ropuch: my suspicion would be something in the member data triggering a browser bug, if you can find a pattern in which pages are wrong
15:31 ropuch slef: I have tyoped some polish letters in english header-inc and it's look teh same: a mess in members-home.pl/member.pl, looks fine when on some other page
15:29 ropuch slef: I can rule out wrong translation issue for sure
15:22 ropuch Bye kf [;
15:22 kf bye all :)
15:22 kf time to leave
15:21 ropuch yup
15:21 slef both of them? Straaaange :(
15:20 ropuch slef: it's recognized as utf8
15:19 slef what encodings does Tools: Page Info think a fine and a messed-up page has?
15:16 ropuch The very same header-inc is just fine on other pages
15:16 ropuch What can be a cause of displaying content of header-inc template with messed encoding? Happening when I'm browsing members-home.pl/member.pl pages
14:51 wizzyrea hi kf
14:51 Oak hey
14:51 kf hi wizzyrea :)
14:50 kf hi Oak :)
14:41 Oak about 8 pm here... so just sitting
14:39 Oak i'm good
14:39 wizzyrea doin ok, and you?
14:39 Oak hello wizzyrea :) how are you
14:39 Oak hello kf :)
14:39 wizzyrea hi Oak
14:39 Oak kia ora #koha
14:38 wizzyrea that seems sensible.
14:36 nengard and then we can ask for an enhancement
14:36 nengard i guess if it was OR originally it should work that way
14:36 nengard who was the original developer? i'm wondering how they intended it to work
14:36 nengard hmmm
14:34 wizzyrea (easier said than done, of course)
14:34 wizzyrea all you gotta do is accommodate it without breaking it for everyone else.
14:34 * wizzyrea doesn't think one ever needs justification for a quote 123 problem
14:33 jcamins (for justification, I refer you to quote 123 again:)
14:33 wizzyrea (kinky)
14:33 wizzyrea see
14:33 jcamins Simultaneously.
14:33 * jcamins wants to do it both ways.
14:33 wizzyrea someone's gonna want to do it either way
14:32 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:32 wizzyrea @quote get 123
14:32 wizzyrea because it's a
14:32 wizzyrea you can't specify either 'and' or 'or'
14:32 wizzyrea heh.
14:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master
14:27 nengard community we need feedback on bug 6488
13:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5616] UTF-8 problem in Card View <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5616>
12:46 * kf sends cookies and water
12:45 kf oh
12:45 * oleonard is about to be trapped in an all-day staff meeting
12:42 Danielle You have good company. :-\
12:40 nengard okay i'm losing it
12:39 nengard hang on
12:39 nengard I looked at it like 4 times and could have sworn it was out of order :)
12:39 nengard that my brain isn't working on this monday morning :)
12:39 oleonard nengard, what am I missing? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=5824
12:34 magnuse jcamins: famous last words ;-) but yes, i see what you mean
12:28 jcamins The packaging things are small, so maintaining them won't be any challenge at all.
12:25 * jcamins doesn't particularly care if these changes get into 3.6, to be honest. He'll be running a custom branch regardless.
12:25 jcamins No worries.
12:23 magnuse cool, trouble is i'm running low on time, so i can't promise anything this week
12:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , Improving koha-list and koha-create
12:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW , koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error
12:18 jcamins magnuse: I have a couple of patches you might be interested in signing off on. Bug 6997, and bug 6913.
12:18 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6997] koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997>
12:18 magnuse hiya jcamins
12:17 kf morning jared :)
12:17 jcamins Good morning, #koha
12:13 * kf nods
12:12 magnuse the help pages could be docbook separate from the manual
12:12 kf magnuse: perhaps we need somethine else
12:12 kf magnuse: I think the manual would have to follow the pages quite strcitly then
12:11 magnuse hiya Amit_Gupta
12:11 Amit_Gupta heya magnuse
12:09 magnuse maybe there are better ways to handle the translations of help pages than through .po files? is it just copied from the manual? maybe it would be better to translate the original docbook xml?
12:03 kf hi asaurat :)
11:45 kf fredericd: goal should be to keep them together, all strings for one page or help file
11:45 kf fredericd: it's very hard because things are out of context too
11:44 kf fredericd: I agree
11:38 fredericd hello ropuch
11:37 ropuch Hi kf, hello fredericd
11:32 fredericd it's easy for nicole to cut and past its manual from docbook to templates. But it's a huge work for translator in that format (.po files)
11:31 kf afk for 5 min
11:31 kf and less ... split up
11:31 kf perhaps they could be a separate po file
11:31 fredericd We should keep help translation outside the software (my opinion)
11:31 kf it's less than I expected actually
11:31 kf almost all of them
11:31 kf nicole updated the help files
11:30 fredericd Check that help text you have already translated are not to be translated again
11:30 fredericd There are a lot of new strings
11:30 fredericd ok
11:28 kf fredericd: what I meant was: can submit suggestions and submit strings, but review tab is not loading
11:22 kf having problems loading the 'review' tab
11:21 kf I can submit suggestions, that looks good
11:21 kf ?
11:21 kf or only at permissionsß
11:21 kf tonight ok?
11:21 kf fredericd: sorry, not at the moment
11:10 fredericd kf: Could you take a look on 3.6 German files I've just uploaded to pootle?
10:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6996] Encoding problem in opac-showmarc <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6996>
10:12 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Fixing line endings
10:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #469: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/469/
09:24 jenkins_koha Starting build 469 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:23 hdl hi all
09:22 hdl Amit_Gupta: ?
09:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing line endings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd052de5e179a26f9fec32141cc6d0f07b31ad9d>
08:56 kf try hdl to make it show up for him :)
08:54 Amit_Gupta henri around?
08:50 magnuse but i'm pretty sure the package build was complaining about what i used... i'll try again
08:49 magnuse ah, thanks rangi
08:49 magnuse hiya kf
08:49 rangi libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl
08:48 rangi driver
08:48 rangi missing a word
08:48 kf morning magnuse
08:47 magnuse hm, "sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-memcached-perl" doesn't seem to work, after i have added the koha repo to sources and done "apt-get update"?
08:47 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Steady).
08:47 magnuse @wunder boo
08:37 rangi hi hdl
08:33 hdl hi kf
08:33 kf good morning hdl
08:26 kf oh, quite a difference
08:26 huginn kf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
08:26 kf @wunder marseille
08:08 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
08:08 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:08 francharb hi kf, rangi!
08:07 rangi hi francharb
08:05 kf hi francharb :)
08:05 francharb hello #koha
07:17 rangi a lot will depend on the ref
07:17 rangi wales looked really good, that will be an interesting game
07:16 rangi so eventually they cracked
07:16 rangi argentina defended well the 1st half, but they had done 100+ tackles to nz's 40ish
07:14 rangi only one missed kick from 9
07:14 * paul_p is dreaming again of a final NZ-FR though !
07:13 rangi http://haka.co.nz/allblacks.php
07:13 rangi more argentina played well
07:13 rangi hmm not really that
07:13 paul_p seems Dan C. misses you a lot
07:13 paul_p Hi rangi, I couldn't see the NZ-AR match, but here, newspapers related that it was not as easy as the score could let one think.
07:12 rangi hi paul_p
07:11 paul_p hello world
07:10 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
07:10 druthb @later tell cait okay, fine, fine...I'm going to bed. :P
07:10 * druthb heads to bed.
07:06 asaurat hi
06:59 druthb pretty cool.
06:59 druthb discovered a feature--if you put "published: false" in the YAML front matter on a post in Jekyll, it doesn't get dealt-with. I had a draft post in WP that migrated over that way.
06:57 * druthb changes the footer from "This site powered by WordPress" to "This site powered by Jekyll. Nyah, nyah, script kiddies."
06:56 rangi yep
06:56 druthb (and getting the styling coherent between WordPress and MW was about to make me an alcoholic.)
06:56 druthb I have some wiki-ish content I want to put up there, too--encyclopedic stuff--and had been thrashing a little about how to do it. MediaWiki is a monster.
06:53 rangi thats what my first blog was in
06:53 rangi http://www.blosxom.com/
06:53 rangi course blosxom was pretty cool too
06:53 rangi you can just thow html at it too
06:52 Oak "It supports several lightweight markup languages, including Markdown, Creole,[8] reStructuredText and Textile." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikiwiki
06:52 rangi anything you want
06:52 Oak yup
06:51 druthb cool. Markdown?
06:51 * rangi edits his site in vim and git pushes it
06:51 cait will be back
06:51 rangi ikiwiki
06:50 rangi you can do all of the above with ikiwik
06:50 druthb :) I do too, rangi. Nothing tops Koha.
06:50 cait so koha must rank high :)
06:50 druthb jcamins was the one who turned me onto it; his whole website is done in jekyll.
06:50 rangi well i measure coolness in features, license and the people behind the project
06:50 druthb coolness is a factor way the hell down my list, though it's on there. The ability to do my editing in my Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload. So far, I'm happy as a clam with this. I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard.
06:49 magnuse http://ikiwiki.info/
06:49 * Oak Googles ikiwiki
06:48 * magnuse was almost waiting for that ;-)
06:48 rangi its a million times cooler
06:48 rangi just use ikiwiki
06:48 druthb https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll
06:47 magnuse http://jekyllrb.com/ ?
06:47 druthb yes.
06:47 alex_a hi druthb \o
06:47 magnuse jekyll is one of those systems that generate plain html pages, right?
06:46 druthb Hi, alex_a1. :)
06:46 druthb I've got me a russian script kiddie who's comment-spamming me, and hammering away at wp-admin. So far, he hasn't gotten in, but there won't *be* any chinks in the armor with Jekyll
06:45 druthb it's turned into something of a bloated monster, in a lot of ways; no code discipline, add-a-feature-everywhere kind of mentality. And it has some annoying weaknesses that take some extraordinary measures to overcome.
06:45 alex_a1 hello
06:44 * magnuse loves wp, but is slightly appalled after looking at the code a bit - no mvc there!
06:42 druthb cait: :P
06:42 cait druthb: go to bed!
06:42 * druthb is looking forward to getting back to Koha work in the morning--she has been hacking her website into Jekyll all weekend, and working on throwing WordPress to the sharks.
06:41 magnuse so i'm thinking leaving it as it is might be the best solution
06:41 rangi yeah
06:41 magnuse it's difficult, without making it sound like koha is the company that hosts an installation
06:40 cait I think I will leave it like that
06:39 rangi :)
06:39 magnuse better start thinking about how to translate it, then
06:38 rangi yup :)
06:38 magnuse yay, "powered by koha" made it in! ;-)
06:38 magnuse hiya rangi druthb reiveune
06:37 wahanui hello, reiveune
06:37 reiveune hello
06:36 druthb hi, magnuse! :D
06:36 rangi hi magnuse
06:36 magnuse kia ora #koha
06:27 cait hi ropuch :)
06:22 rangi hi ropuch
06:22 ropuch Morning #koha
06:13 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Hollywood, Culleoka, Tennessee is 14.3�C (1:10 AM CDT on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
06:13 druthb @wunder columbia, tn
06:13 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 27.0�C (11:00 AM PKT on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
06:13 Oak @wunder islamabad
05:43 cait ah, that's not as late as I thought
05:43 druthb I wondered when that was coming. It is, after all, 0045 here.
05:42 cait go to bed druthb :)
05:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.2�C (7:39 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Rising).
05:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:42 cait lol
05:42 druthb we're in trouble.
05:42 druthb uhoh. she's bein' sassy.
05:41 cait :P
05:40 eythian cait: you're up at a more reasonable time. What's wrong?
05:36 cait aw
05:36 * druthb hides from cait
05:36 cait good morning #koha
04:36 Oak kia ora #koha
04:36 Oak hello druthb :)
04:36 druthb hello, Oak.
04:25 eythian good old collection codes from liberty: "Library", "Libray", "Librry" are three of them.
04:24 Amit_Gupta hmm
04:14 rangi some of your patches went into master today Amit
04:06 Amit_Gupta heya chris, druthb
04:06 druthb hi, rangi and Amit_Gupta! :)
04:06 rangi hi druthb and Amit_Gupta
04:04 Amit_Gupta good morning
04:04 Amit_Gupta Hi koha
03:50 druthb o/
02:35 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6303] Display Organisation and Parent Organisation names when viewing a borrower of type organistaion <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6303>
01:59 wajasu so i suspect that my db data is "not correct", or normalized.
01:59 wajasu kr said that printing umlauts worked after kr' fix. but its hard to know a) what version of perl kr runs, and b) what format the data is in kr's db.
01:57 wajasu with kr's utf8 fix in the PDF.pm
01:57 wajasu thats a 3.4 version
01:57 wajasu the debian virt-manager i installed, did not produce a barcode label with a single u with diaresis after i added a book from the z3950 world.
01:56 eythian but it's not going to convert MARC-8 for you if it doesn't know that's what it's getting.
01:55 eythian Well, some things in perl get terribly upset if you have invalid UTF8
01:55 wajasu does the DBI routine always connect to enforce utf8, and such.
01:54 wajasu i wonder if the mysql -> DBI -> perl internal normalizes, or must each routine (i.e PDF::Reuse) address all that.
01:53 eythian it'll depend on where they're coming from I guess.
01:53 wajasu i did: select author,hex(author) from biblio where author like '%rgen%'; to see how umlauts are stored in my db. some have write combining, some don't.
01:52 eythian I think it's just moved from 5.8 minimum to 5.10 min, but don't quote me on that.
01:51 wajasu kr said that things worked for her environment. i suspect my data, or my perl version was the difference.
01:49 wajasu do the INSTALL files specify a dependency on 5.10. no. i should have run that 3 years ago.
01:48 wajasu there is even some newer use 'unicode-strings' or the like in 5.14.2
01:47 eythian well, eventually everyone will upgrade to newer perl, so that'll start fixing things in the long run
01:47 wajasu i am guessing the unicode/utf8 support in perl changed.
01:47 wajasu i setup that debian squeeze under virt-manager and see its 5.10.1, which my utf8::downgrade($line) fix did not affect the outcome as it did in my 5.12 environment.
01:46 mtj yep, me too
01:45 eythian 5.10.1 here
01:45 mtj wajasu i'm on debian stable ;)
01:43 wajasu i've been running perl5.12, are you guys all 5.10?
01:42 wajasu when we write them to the PDF, if the font is latin1, then should'nt they get converted to Encode::encode("iso-8859-1",$line) so the fonts match.
01:40 eythian It should be stored as UTF-8, but you may have data coming in as MARC-8 but believed to be UTF-8 which will cause some kinds of crazy.
01:39 wajasu i'm still wondering how the utf8 records should be stored in the database. I see 75 (hex u) CC88 (diaresis) for write combining in some records. then C3BC (ü) in others.
01:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6770] AllowHoldPolicyOverride not working <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6770>
01:10 cait lol
01:09 eythian :P: command not found
01:09 cait :P
01:08 eythian usage: ssh [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxYy] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec]
01:07 cait ssh
01:06 jcamins_away cait: isn't it like... 3am?
00:24 rangi yeah thats a good one
00:22 cait oh nice - 6190
00:21 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190>
00:15 eythian hi there cait
00:15 cait hey eythian :)
00:12 rangi class war :)
00:12 rangi heh
00:11 eythian http://boingboing.net/2011/10/08/wipo-boss-the-web-would-have-been-better-if-it-was-patented-and-its-users-had-to-pay-license-fees.html