Time Nick Message 00:11 eythian http://boingboing.net/2011/10/08/wipo-boss-the-web-would-have-been-better-if-it-was-patented-and-its-users-had-to-pay-license-fees.html 00:12 rangi heh 00:12 rangi class war :) 00:15 cait hey eythian :) 00:15 eythian hi there cait 00:21 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6190] Custom field removal from patron entry screens <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6190> 00:22 cait oh nice - 6190 00:24 rangi yeah thats a good one 01:06 jcamins_away cait: isn't it like... 3am? 01:07 cait ssh 01:08 eythian usage: ssh [-1246AaCfgKkMNnqsTtVvXxYy] [-b bind_address] [-c cipher_spec] 01:09 cait :P 01:09 eythian :P: command not found 01:10 cait lol 01:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6770] AllowHoldPolicyOverride not working <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6770> 01:39 wajasu i'm still wondering how the utf8 records should be stored in the database. I see 75 (hex u) CC88 (diaresis) for write combining in some records. then C3BC (ü) in others. 01:40 eythian It should be stored as UTF-8, but you may have data coming in as MARC-8 but believed to be UTF-8 which will cause some kinds of crazy. 01:42 wajasu when we write them to the PDF, if the font is latin1, then should'nt they get converted to Encode::encode("iso-8859-1",$line) so the fonts match. 01:43 wajasu i've been running perl5.12, are you guys all 5.10? 01:45 mtj wajasu i'm on debian stable ;) 01:45 eythian 5.10.1 here 01:46 mtj yep, me too 01:47 wajasu i setup that debian squeeze under virt-manager and see its 5.10.1, which my utf8::downgrade($line) fix did not affect the outcome as it did in my 5.12 environment. 01:47 wajasu i am guessing the unicode/utf8 support in perl changed. 01:47 eythian well, eventually everyone will upgrade to newer perl, so that'll start fixing things in the long run 01:48 wajasu there is even some newer use 'unicode-strings' or the like in 5.14.2 01:49 wajasu do the INSTALL files specify a dependency on 5.10. no. i should have run that 3 years ago. 01:51 wajasu kr said that things worked for her environment. i suspect my data, or my perl version was the difference. 01:52 eythian I think it's just moved from 5.8 minimum to 5.10 min, but don't quote me on that. 01:53 wajasu i did: select author,hex(author) from biblio where author like '%rgen%'; to see how umlauts are stored in my db. some have write combining, some don't. 01:53 eythian it'll depend on where they're coming from I guess. 01:54 wajasu i wonder if the mysql -> DBI -> perl internal normalizes, or must each routine (i.e PDF::Reuse) address all that. 01:55 wajasu does the DBI routine always connect to enforce utf8, and such. 01:55 eythian Well, some things in perl get terribly upset if you have invalid UTF8 01:56 eythian but it's not going to convert MARC-8 for you if it doesn't know that's what it's getting. 01:57 wajasu the debian virt-manager i installed, did not produce a barcode label with a single u with diaresis after i added a book from the z3950 world. 01:57 wajasu thats a 3.4 version 01:57 wajasu with kr's utf8 fix in the PDF.pm 01:59 wajasu kr said that printing umlauts worked after kr' fix. but its hard to know a) what version of perl kr runs, and b) what format the data is in kr's db. 01:59 wajasu so i suspect that my db data is "not correct", or normalized. 02:35 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6303] Display Organisation and Parent Organisation names when viewing a borrower of type organistaion <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6303> 03:50 druthb o/ 04:04 Amit_Gupta Hi koha 04:04 Amit_Gupta good morning 04:06 rangi hi druthb and Amit_Gupta 04:06 druthb hi, rangi and Amit_Gupta! :) 04:06 Amit_Gupta heya chris, druthb 04:14 rangi some of your patches went into master today Amit 04:24 Amit_Gupta hmm 04:25 eythian good old collection codes from liberty: "Library", "Libray", "Librry" are three of them. 04:36 druthb hello, Oak. 04:36 Oak hello druthb :) 04:36 Oak kia ora #koha 05:36 cait good morning #koha 05:36 * druthb hides from cait 05:36 cait aw 05:40 eythian cait: you're up at a more reasonable time. What's wrong? 05:41 cait :P 05:42 druthb uhoh. she's bein' sassy. 05:42 druthb we're in trouble. 05:42 cait lol 05:42 cait @wunder Konstanz 05:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.2�C (7:39 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Rising). 05:42 cait go to bed druthb :) 05:43 druthb I wondered when that was coming. It is, after all, 0045 here. 05:43 cait ah, that's not as late as I thought 06:13 Oak @wunder islamabad 06:13 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 27.0�C (11:00 AM PKT on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 06:13 druthb @wunder columbia, tn 06:13 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Hollywood, Culleoka, Tennessee is 14.3�C (1:10 AM CDT on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady). 06:22 ropuch Morning #koha 06:22 rangi hi ropuch 06:27 cait hi ropuch :) 06:36 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:36 rangi hi magnuse 06:36 druthb hi, magnuse! :D 06:37 reiveune hello 06:37 wahanui hello, reiveune 06:38 magnuse hiya rangi druthb reiveune 06:38 magnuse yay, "powered by koha" made it in! ;-) 06:38 rangi yup :) 06:39 magnuse better start thinking about how to translate it, then 06:39 rangi :) 06:40 cait I think I will leave it like that 06:41 magnuse it's difficult, without making it sound like koha is the company that hosts an installation 06:41 rangi yeah 06:41 magnuse so i'm thinking leaving it as it is might be the best solution 06:42 * druthb is looking forward to getting back to Koha work in the morning--she has been hacking her website into Jekyll all weekend, and working on throwing WordPress to the sharks. 06:42 cait druthb: go to bed! 06:42 druthb cait: :P 06:44 * magnuse loves wp, but is slightly appalled after looking at the code a bit - no mvc there! 06:45 alex_a1 hello 06:45 druthb it's turned into something of a bloated monster, in a lot of ways; no code discipline, add-a-feature-everywhere kind of mentality. And it has some annoying weaknesses that take some extraordinary measures to overcome. 06:46 druthb I've got me a russian script kiddie who's comment-spamming me, and hammering away at wp-admin. So far, he hasn't gotten in, but there won't *be* any chinks in the armor with Jekyll 06:46 druthb Hi, alex_a1. :) 06:47 magnuse jekyll is one of those systems that generate plain html pages, right? 06:47 alex_a hi druthb \o 06:47 druthb yes. 06:47 magnuse http://jekyllrb.com/ ? 06:48 druthb https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll 06:48 rangi just use ikiwiki 06:48 rangi its a million times cooler 06:48 * magnuse was almost waiting for that ;-) 06:49 * Oak Googles ikiwiki 06:49 magnuse http://ikiwiki.info/ 06:50 druthb coolness is a factor way the hell down my list, though it's on there. The ability to do my editing in my Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload. So far, I'm happy as a clam with this. I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard. 06:50 rangi well i measure coolness in features, license and the people behind the project 06:50 druthb jcamins was the one who turned me onto it; his whole website is done in jekyll. 06:50 cait so koha must rank high :) 06:50 druthb :) I do too, rangi. Nothing tops Koha. 06:50 rangi you can do all of the above with ikiwik 06:51 rangi ikiwiki 06:51 cait will be back 06:51 * rangi edits his site in vim and git pushes it 06:51 druthb cool. Markdown? 06:52 Oak yup 06:52 rangi anything you want 06:52 Oak "It supports several lightweight markup languages, including Markdown, Creole, reStructuredText and Textile." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikiwiki 06:53 rangi you can just thow html at it too 06:53 rangi course blosxom was pretty cool too 06:53 rangi http://www.blosxom.com/ 06:53 rangi thats what my first blog was in 06:56 druthb I have some wiki-ish content I want to put up there, too--encyclopedic stuff--and had been thrashing a little about how to do it. MediaWiki is a monster. 06:56 druthb (and getting the styling coherent between WordPress and MW was about to make me an alcoholic.) 06:56 rangi yep 06:57 * druthb changes the footer from "This site powered by WordPress" to "This site powered by Jekyll. Nyah, nyah, script kiddies." 06:59 druthb discovered a feature--if you put "published: false" in the YAML front matter on a post in Jekyll, it doesn't get dealt-with. I had a draft post in WP that migrated over that way. 06:59 druthb pretty cool. 07:06 asaurat hi 07:10 * druthb heads to bed. 07:10 druthb @later tell cait okay, fine, fine...I'm going to bed. :P 07:10 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded. 07:11 paul_p hello world 07:12 rangi hi paul_p 07:13 paul_p Hi rangi, I couldn't see the NZ-AR match, but here, newspapers related that it was not as easy as the score could let one think. 07:13 paul_p seems Dan C. misses you a lot 07:13 rangi hmm not really that 07:13 rangi more argentina played well 07:13 rangi http://haka.co.nz/allblacks.php 07:14 * paul_p is dreaming again of a final NZ-FR though ! 07:14 rangi only one missed kick from 9 07:16 rangi argentina defended well the 1st half, but they had done 100+ tackles to nz's 40ish 07:16 rangi so eventually they cracked 07:17 rangi wales looked really good, that will be an interesting game 07:17 rangi a lot will depend on the ref 08:05 francharb hello #koha 08:05 kf hi francharb :) 08:07 rangi hi francharb 08:08 francharb hi kf, rangi! 08:08 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:08 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 08:26 kf @wunder marseille 08:26 huginn kf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 08:26 kf oh, quite a difference 08:33 kf good morning hdl 08:33 hdl hi kf 08:37 rangi hi hdl 08:47 magnuse @wunder boo 08:47 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (10:20 AM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Steady). 08:47 magnuse hm, "sudo apt-get install libcgi-session-memcached-perl" doesn't seem to work, after i have added the koha repo to sources and done "apt-get update"? 08:48 kf morning magnuse 08:48 rangi missing a word 08:48 rangi driver 08:49 rangi libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl 08:49 magnuse hiya kf 08:49 magnuse ah, thanks rangi 08:50 magnuse but i'm pretty sure the package build was complaining about what i used... i'll try again 08:54 Amit_Gupta henri around? 08:56 kf try hdl to make it show up for him :) 09:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing line endings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd052de5e179a26f9fec32141cc6d0f07b31ad9d> 09:22 hdl Amit_Gupta: ? 09:23 hdl hi all 09:24 jenkins_koha Starting build 469 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #469: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/469/ 10:12 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Fixing line endings 10:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6996] Encoding problem in opac-showmarc <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6996> 11:10 fredericd kf: Could you take a look on 3.6 German files I've just uploaded to pootle? 11:21 kf fredericd: sorry, not at the moment 11:21 kf tonight ok? 11:21 kf or only at permissionsß 11:21 kf ? 11:21 kf I can submit suggestions, that looks good 11:22 kf having problems loading the 'review' tab 11:28 kf fredericd: what I meant was: can submit suggestions and submit strings, but review tab is not loading 11:30 fredericd ok 11:30 fredericd There are a lot of new strings 11:30 fredericd Check that help text you have already translated are not to be translated again 11:31 kf nicole updated the help files 11:31 kf almost all of them 11:31 kf it's less than I expected actually 11:31 fredericd We should keep help translation outside the software (my opinion) 11:31 kf perhaps they could be a separate po file 11:31 kf and less ... split up 11:31 kf afk for 5 min 11:32 fredericd it's easy for nicole to cut and past its manual from docbook to templates. But it's a huge work for translator in that format (.po files) 11:37 ropuch Hi kf, hello fredericd 11:38 fredericd hello ropuch 11:44 kf fredericd: I agree 11:45 kf fredericd: it's very hard because things are out of context too 11:45 kf fredericd: goal should be to keep them together, all strings for one page or help file 12:03 kf hi asaurat :) 12:09 magnuse maybe there are better ways to handle the translations of help pages than through .po files? is it just copied from the manual? maybe it would be better to translate the original docbook xml? 12:11 Amit_Gupta heya magnuse 12:11 magnuse hiya Amit_Gupta 12:12 kf magnuse: I think the manual would have to follow the pages quite strcitly then 12:12 kf magnuse: perhaps we need somethine else 12:12 magnuse the help pages could be docbook separate from the manual 12:13 * kf nods 12:17 jcamins Good morning, #koha 12:17 kf morning jared :) 12:18 magnuse hiya jcamins 12:18 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6997] koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997> 12:18 jcamins magnuse: I have a couple of patches you might be interested in signing off on. Bug 6997, and bug 6913. 12:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW , koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error 12:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, NEW , Improving koha-list and koha-create 12:23 magnuse cool, trouble is i'm running low on time, so i can't promise anything this week 12:25 jcamins No worries. 12:25 * jcamins doesn't particularly care if these changes get into 3.6, to be honest. He'll be running a custom branch regardless. 12:28 jcamins The packaging things are small, so maintaining them won't be any challenge at all. 12:34 magnuse jcamins: famous last words ;-) but yes, i see what you mean 12:39 oleonard nengard, what am I missing? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=5824 12:39 nengard that my brain isn't working on this monday morning :) 12:39 nengard I looked at it like 4 times and could have sworn it was out of order :) 12:39 nengard hang on 12:40 nengard okay i'm losing it 12:42 Danielle You have good company. :-\ 12:45 * oleonard is about to be trapped in an all-day staff meeting 12:45 kf oh 12:46 * kf sends cookies and water 13:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5616] UTF-8 problem in Card View <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5616> 14:27 nengard community we need feedback on bug 6488 14:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master 14:32 wizzyrea heh. 14:32 wizzyrea you can't specify either 'and' or 'or' 14:32 wizzyrea because it's a 14:32 wizzyrea @quote get 123 14:32 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 14:33 wizzyrea someone's gonna want to do it either way 14:33 * jcamins wants to do it both ways. 14:33 jcamins Simultaneously. 14:33 wizzyrea see 14:33 wizzyrea (kinky) 14:33 jcamins (for justification, I refer you to quote 123 again:) 14:34 * wizzyrea doesn't think one ever needs justification for a quote 123 problem 14:34 wizzyrea all you gotta do is accommodate it without breaking it for everyone else. 14:34 wizzyrea (easier said than done, of course) 14:36 nengard hmmm 14:36 nengard who was the original developer? i'm wondering how they intended it to work 14:36 nengard i guess if it was OR originally it should work that way 14:36 nengard and then we can ask for an enhancement 14:38 wizzyrea that seems sensible. 14:39 Oak kia ora #koha 14:39 wizzyrea hi Oak 14:39 Oak hello kf :) 14:39 Oak hello wizzyrea :) how are you 14:39 wizzyrea doin ok, and you? 14:39 Oak i'm good 14:41 Oak about 8 pm here... so just sitting 14:50 kf hi Oak :) 14:51 kf hi wizzyrea :) 14:51 Oak hey 14:51 wizzyrea hi kf 15:16 ropuch What can be a cause of displaying content of header-inc template with messed encoding? Happening when I'm browsing members-home.pl/member.pl pages 15:16 ropuch The very same header-inc is just fine on other pages 15:19 slef what encodings does Tools: Page Info think a fine and a messed-up page has? 15:20 ropuch slef: it's recognized as utf8 15:21 slef both of them? Straaaange :( 15:21 ropuch yup 15:22 kf time to leave 15:22 kf bye all :) 15:22 ropuch Bye kf [; 15:29 ropuch slef: I can rule out wrong translation issue for sure 15:31 ropuch slef: I have tyoped some polish letters in english header-inc and it's look teh same: a mess in members-home.pl/member.pl, looks fine when on some other page 15:31 slef ropuch: my suspicion would be something in the member data triggering a browser bug, if you can find a pattern in which pages are wrong 15:32 slef ropuch: are you user the polish letters are utf-8 and not latin-2 (or whichever it is) 15:32 slef are you sure, even 15:32 ropuch Yes 15:33 slef hrm. I'm stumped. :( 15:33 ropuch Me too 15:37 ropuch memeberentry.pl and moremeber.pl don't have problem to display the same header-inc properly 15:37 slef you need to spot a pattern in what's triggering this :( 15:50 reiveune bye 15:58 ropuch slef: there's no problem after truncating koha database, so the actual members data are causing this 16:04 hdl nengard: what kind of feedback do you want ? 16:05 oleonard-away slef: Thank you for your answer on the list about why changing the subject line is potentially confusing. Well put. 16:05 nengard hdl you mean on that bug report? just how do people want it to work 16:06 hdl nengard: yes... what do you want as a feedback ? 16:06 nengard should it be AND or OR or both ? 16:06 slef oleonard-away: I suspect I upset him so I felt I should try to clear it up. 16:21 ropuch_ slef: think I got it: error was caused by non standard character in patron's category description 16:23 ropuch_ Which still is quite mysterious 16:40 slef grrrrrr why do library consultants defend the use of recaptcha, including the disabled=subhuman text? 16:44 slef it's unjust and isn't anti-spam anyway 17:17 * cait waves 17:19 * slef waves at cait and goes to get a drink 17:19 * libsysguy waives 17:19 cait hi :) 17:20 libsysguy long time no see everybody 17:21 libsysguy hi cait 17:26 wizzyrea hi libsysguy 17:26 wizzyrea afk, lunch. 17:26 libsysguy i am at my keyboard for lunch...maybe thats why there are so many crumbs 17:26 * libsysguy considers investing in a vaccume cleaner 17:33 cait for your keyboard? 17:34 libsysguy yes :) 17:40 libsysguy so I am trying to trouble shoot an issue that I am having with the lists 17:40 libsysguy and I have looked in the logs and I don't see anything 17:40 libsysguy so I am wondering if I am justing missing something 17:56 libsysguy sekjal you around? 17:56 cait libsysguy: what's your problem? 17:56 bg libsysguy: he's taking a holiday today 18:01 nengard libsysguy i think 'think geek' has a keyboard vacuum :) 18:01 libsysguy my problem with the list or my question for sekjal? 18:01 nengard if not they should :) 18:01 libsysguy i guess i could throw out both...when i do the multiple selection add for lists they don't save 18:02 nengard opac or staff client? 18:02 nengard and what version? 18:02 libsysguy I was going to ask sekjal about notices and my patch that paul failed :-\ 18:02 libsysguy opac master merged with hourly 18:02 nengard going to test 18:02 libsysguy gracias nengard 18:02 libsysguy I don't think it is an issue in master but I just can't identify where im having an issue 18:03 nengard libsysguy it's working for me :( 18:03 nengard any strange characters in the titles you're adding to the list? 18:05 libsysguy no just searching for cats 18:06 libsysguy i can add them one at a time with the save to list link in the item 18:06 libsysguy just not though the add to list form 18:06 nengard browser version? 18:07 * nengard is grasping at straws 18:07 libsysguy chrome V 15.0.874 18:09 libsysguy not the browser...i just tried in IE9 18:09 libsysguy not surprising...but it didn't work there either lol 18:13 nengard heh 18:13 nengard i tried in ff7 18:13 nengard off to try chrome 18:14 nengard libsysguy are you getting the pop up? 18:14 nengard the one with the titles you're adding to the list? 18:15 nengard cause in chrome my pop up was blocked 18:27 libsysguy interesting 18:27 wahanui interesting is probably good 18:27 libsysguy let me check 18:27 libsysguy i don't get a warning about it in chrome 18:27 libsysguy did you? 18:29 libsysguy didn't work in ff 18:29 libsysguy I think margo is running something closer to 3.4 18:31 slef libsysguy: search for "desktop henry". 18:32 libsysguy sorry got kicked 18:32 libsysguy anyway...im assuming you mean from the opac slef 18:32 libsysguy and I am there 18:32 libsysguy one resuly 18:33 slef libsysguy: no, I mean for the vacuum 18:33 slef biab 18:33 libsysguy haha 18:34 libsysguy slef thats awesome 18:39 rangi morning 18:40 cait morning rangi 18:40 libsysguy morning rangi 18:40 rangi who won the pool ( or was it snooker?) 18:41 rangi @wunder wellington nz 18:41 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 11, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 18:42 rangi warm 18:42 nengard @wunder 19030 18:42 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Maple Point, Langhorne, Pennsylvania is 26.1�C (2:40 PM EDT on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady). 18:42 nengard warmer here :) 18:42 nengard it's like summer again 18:42 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:42 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.3�C (8:40 PM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Steady). 18:46 magnuse @wunder boo 18:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0�C (8:20 PM CEST on October 10, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Steady). 18:46 magnuse summer is but a faint memory... 18:47 rangi heh 18:47 nengard wow 18:47 nengard chilly 18:47 magnuse nah, could have been worse 18:48 magnuse last year the first snow came while i was in nz 18:48 magnuse which is almost a year ago now 18:48 magnuse having said that, there is snow on the peaks now, down to about 500 meter above sea level 18:48 rangi wow that long ago 18:48 rangi no wonder I miss u guys 18:49 magnuse i left on the 19th of october 18:49 magnuse hehe, likewise! 18:49 magnuse and 3.2 was released on the 22nd! 18:49 rangi yep 18:51 rangi @later tell sekjal 5528 and 5549 are still fair game if we can get them tested before release so 12 days 18:51 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 18:51 magnuse bug 5528, bug 5549 18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tajoli, ASSIGNED , Analytical records support 18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans 18:51 magnuse ooh, yes please ;-) 18:51 nengard ditto :) 18:52 nengard rangi we miss you too!! but i was lucky and saw you in June :) 18:52 rangi yeah june was awesome 18:56 rangi ppl still ask me 'is that a bong' about they ByWater halfyard on my desk 18:56 magnuse and some lucky folks in canada will have the pleasure real soon... 18:56 magnuse halfyard?!? 18:57 magnuse some kind of weird glass for beer, according to google image search? 18:57 rangi hmm im sure nengard has a photo of them? 18:59 rangi the whole booth was very cool 18:59 cait oh a lot of them on flickr :) 18:59 cait the violet things from ala? 19:00 nengard rangi i do 19:00 nengard let me find it 19:00 rangi thats them 19:00 rangi thanks nengard 19:02 nengard http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/5868789934/in/set-72157627041246884 19:02 rangi thanks 19:03 nengard there was a great one with a kid using it as a sippy cup 19:03 nengard i need to find it 19:03 rangi ah yeah 19:03 rangi I filled one with mango slushy on the last day :) 19:06 nengard found it 19:06 nengard http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150217879571765&set=o.277830850701&type=1 19:06 nengard but you have to be on facebook to see it 19:08 magnuse ah yes, thanks nengard 19:09 nengard woo hoo I reported bug 7000 :) 19:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results 19:09 nengard and it wasn't a bug 19:09 magnuse yay! 19:09 rangi Hehe 19:10 rangi lol it used to do that 19:10 rangi got taken off 19:10 magnuse hm, i'm imagining a graph with years or months on the x axis and number of bugs reported on the y axis... 19:11 magnuse doesn't seem long ago that we passed 6000? 19:11 rangi and the homeorholding syspref controlled what showed then that got change too 19:11 rangi koha comes round in a circle 19:11 rangi yeah was this year magnuse 19:11 magnuse wow 19:11 rangi ok my stop 19:12 rangi bbiab 19:17 rangi back 19:27 jcamins_away rangi: for the record, your proposal to add features makes sense to me. 19:27 rangi cool 19:28 jcamins_away rangi: worth redoing the patch for bug 6997 to use rm -f instead of [ -f $FILE ] && rm $FILE? 19:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6997 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, NEW , koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error 19:28 rangi hmmmm 19:28 rangi up to you, i think either way is ok 19:28 jcamins Then I'd just as soon not redo it. 19:28 jcamins Thanks. 19:31 oleonard-away rangi: Do you remember how it used to do it? 19:31 * oleonard-away should probably remember himself 19:32 rangi hmm i can try to find an old screenshot 19:36 jcamins Did I hear about someone making a bootable Koha demo CD? 19:36 jcamins Does anyone know who might have done that, and where whatever scripts are necessary for that might be? 19:37 rangi oh theres a bunch of them 19:38 rangi at least 5 19:38 rangi what is missing is one that uses the packages 19:39 * jcamins translates: no, I thought you were doing that, jcamins. ;) 19:39 rangi :) 19:40 rangi http://www.osslabs.biz/koha/livecd 19:40 rangi could ask amit or savitra :) 19:40 rangi ideally one that installs using th packages to make upgrading easy would be ideal 19:41 jcamins There's also the Linux Kiosk page on the wiki. 19:45 oleonard-away Someone needs some new screenshots: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Libraries/Koha-16223.shtml 19:46 rangi heh yes 19:47 cait yet... 19:48 magnuse that's 2.x, right? 19:48 jcamins Woah! I don't think I ever saw it looking like that! 19:48 oleonard Yeah, 2.x 19:48 oleonard http://www.methven.com/nz/ranges/koha/ 19:48 magnuse i had the pleasure of upgrading a 2.2.9 about a year ago... 19:48 rangi yeah, ive done a few 19:48 rangi it takes some effort 19:49 magnuse hey, i want bathroom stuff called koha! 19:49 magnuse in the end i exported the records and patrons just moved them over... 19:51 jcamins If only I had a lot more time than I do... there are so many interesting projects out there. 19:52 rangi yep there sure are 19:55 magnuse too true! 19:56 rangi https://metacpan.org/module/Data::Show 19:58 magnuse sounds useful! 19:59 * magnuse nids #koha a good night 20:00 rangi night mangus 20:14 nengard db documentation help - in the categories table - what is the fine type and what do the codes mean? 20:14 * rangi look 20:14 rangi s 20:15 cait f and fu and all those? 20:15 rangi finetype is not used 20:17 rangi i can find no reference to it in the code anywhere 20:17 rangi so i think its a candidate to be removed 20:18 nengard rangi i actually have data in that field in my db 20:19 nengard nevermind 20:19 rangi hmm i wonder where that came from 20:19 nengard table was wrapping 20:19 nengard on the screen 20:19 nengard :) 20:19 rangi :) 20:19 rangi that'd do it 20:22 nengard categories table documented and attached to bug 6716 20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation 20:22 nengard 4 trouble fields 20:22 nengard 2 unused (that i know of) and 2 i was unsure of 20:22 rangi cool 20:26 nengard k logging off for a bit 20:26 nengard ttyl 20:28 wizzyrea oh that's funny 20:28 wizzyrea if you do a search in the staff client 20:28 wizzyrea with quotes in it 20:28 wizzyrea the tickboxes are gone 20:29 wizzyrea search for a book 20:29 wizzyrea "m" is for malice or "bear" or whatever 20:29 cait wizzyrea: try a search for 5) - doesn't work too 20:29 wizzyrea right I knew about the parens 20:29 wizzyrea that's ooole 20:29 wizzyrea ooold 20:30 wizzyrea the search works 20:30 wizzyrea just the tickboxes are missing 20:31 rangi unescaped "" in the html? 20:31 wizzyrea must be 20:31 wizzyrea i'm workin on something else rather dire or I"d poke at it 20:32 rangi yup 20:32 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/HfAi35OzA with quotes http://screencast.com/t/sHen9LQKE without quotes 20:33 rangi a quick view source would tell ya 20:33 * rangi looks 20:33 rangi and close some tabs sheesh 20:33 wizzyrea lulz 20:33 wizzyrea my computer works just fine with that many, ty 20:34 rangi interesting 20:34 wahanui hmmm... interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good 20:34 * wizzyrea channels her three year old "and I NEED them!" 20:34 rangi its only if you get a result 20:34 rangi ie if you dont get back a title that contains the "" its fine 20:34 wizzyrea oooo 20:35 rangi maybe 20:35 wizzyrea no, I don't think that's true 20:35 rangi at least i have checkboxes showing fine 20:35 wizzyrea ok 20:35 wizzyrea that's telling 20:35 wizzyrea perhaps we have something funny in our js 20:35 wizzyrea i will look 20:35 wizzyrea so just leave that one 20:35 wizzyrea for nwo 20:35 rangi :) 20:35 wizzyrea now 20:35 wizzyrea ty for double checking that 20:36 rangi no problemo 20:37 rangi oh i lie 20:37 rangi it works ok on one koha, not on the other! 20:37 wizzyrea keke 20:37 rangi http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=%22bear%22 20:37 rangi staff 20:37 rangi staff1 20:37 wizzyrea o lookie there 20:38 wizzyrea something anything in intranetuserjs? 20:38 rangi thats 3.4.4 20:38 wizzyrea prolly not it's a demo 20:38 rangi hmm i wouldnt think so 20:38 wizzyrea naw it's empty 20:38 * wizzyrea took the liberty 20:39 rangi its what its there for 20:39 * rangi updates his master one 20:39 wizzyrea i was looking at our production server, which is master up to about a week ago 20:39 wizzyrea (that's where the grabs came from) 20:39 rangi yeah its ok on my master one 20:39 rangi weird 20:40 wizzyrea hrm 20:40 wizzyrea something in the last week that ifxed it? 20:40 wizzyrea ifxed is fixed 20:40 rangi i wouldnt have thought so 20:40 wizzyrea (unintentionally ^.^_ 20:41 rangi <input type="checkbox" class="selection" id="bib2488" name="biblionumber" value="2488" style="display:none" /> 20:41 rangi in the not working one 20:41 wizzyrea well display none would def do it 20:41 rangi <input type="checkbox" class="selection" id="bib2475" name="biblionumber" value="2475" style="display:none" /> 20:41 rangi in the working one! 20:42 rangi so there must be something that turns them on 20:42 wizzyrea lol or not. 20:42 wizzyrea criminy. 20:42 rangi ah ha! 20:43 rangi http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/search.pl?q=%22bear%22 20:43 rangi notice its not showing the bar at all 20:44 rangi with the highlight/unhilight etc 20:44 wizzyrea oh I see 20:44 rangi yeah its gotta be some js/css thing 20:46 rangi yep broken js 20:46 rangi strQuery += "&" + "title" + "=" + "kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20"bear""; 20:47 rangi strQuery += "&" + "title" + "=" + "kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20%22bear%22"; 20:48 wizzyrea oyyy 20:48 rangi (first one is obv the broken one) 20:52 rangi [% z3950_search_param.encvalue %] 20:54 cait | url? 20:55 rangi |html i think 20:55 rangi ahh 20:56 rangi yeah i think thats it 21:35 eythian http://www.bigtexan.com/free72.html <-- hungry? 21:36 melia gross 21:39 eythian what sort of Georgian are you? 21:39 melia hehe 21:40 eythian http://grooveshark.com/#/album/Princess+Ghibli/6050299 <-- music for today 22:14 cait night all 22:15 muddle Hi there! I'm fairly new to Koha and trying my first setup on Debian Squeeze using the "koha-common" package. 22:16 eythian cool 22:17 muddle Install seems fine, I created a site using "koha-create" - but can't login using the credetials inside my new "koha-conf.xml". Error log shows a lot of SQL errors. 22:17 eythian can you provide an example? 22:17 muddle Sure. 22:18 eythian also, what was your koha-create command line? 22:18 muddle http://mibpaste.com/ISyeKQ 22:19 eythian OK, that's kind of normal the first time. 22:19 muddle I ran: "koha-create --create-db abc" 22:19 eythian that's all good. 22:20 eythian If you go to the opac interface, it should ask you to use the details in koha-conf.xml to log in, and it'll set up the database for you. 22:20 rangi the staff interface that is 22:20 muddle I tried to login using "kohauser" and the password inside the XML file. 22:20 rangi :) 22:20 eythian err yes 22:20 eythian the staff interface 22:20 muddle Yep, exactly what I did. 22:20 rangi down the bottom 22:20 rangi not the zebrauser name 22:20 eythian don't use "kohauser" 22:20 rangi its very unlikely to be kohauser 22:20 eythian use the name that's in the file 22:20 rangi it will be soomethin like koha_abc 22:20 eythian like, 'koha_abc' 22:20 muddle Ah, ok. I'll check. 22:21 eythian where abc is what you put on koha-create 22:21 eythian (ndz in your case I suspect) 22:22 muddle Got it, thanks! Seems to work. 22:22 muddle Is that documented somewhere? 22:22 eythian sweet 22:22 eythian I'm not sure. Possibly not. 22:22 eythian It ought to be though 22:24 muddle Again, thanks. Trying to get a fresh install as I was having some problems with the preconfigured Koha Debian VM I tested (it would not properly update the Zebra Index). 22:25 eythian ah right. Hopefully the packages will do all that magically for you. 22:25 eythian (and if they don't, file a bug :) 22:25 muddle That's what I was hoping. 22:26 muddle One more think - if I may - is there some kind of "browse mode" inside the staff interface for the titles I entered? 22:26 muddle think = thing 22:27 eythian there's no browsing per se, typically the search interface is used. 22:27 eythian (browsing is kinda meaningless when there's 50,000 records) 22:28 muddle That is certainly true. 22:32 muddle Installation complete, seems to run fine - thank you! 22:33 eythian sweet 22:45 rangi packages++ 22:49 liw eythian++ 22:49 Judit hullo 22:49 eythian hi liw, Judit. 22:51 rangi hi liw, trea and Judit 22:51 trea hi rangi 22:51 rangi hows things? 22:53 Judit sunny! 22:54 eythian it's apparently 18�C here 22:54 eythian according to my computer 22:54 eythian metservice says 15, but it's still raining. 22:54 liw +19 in Montreal, but the sun already set 22:54 rangi you're in montreal? 22:55 liw for a business trip 22:55 rangi ahh cool 23:02 eythian @marc 264 23:02 huginn eythian: unknown tag 264 23:02 eythian you are so out of date 23:03 eythian it was added at least 2 weeks ago! 23:03 rangi http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html 23:13 eythian any cataloguers around? Say I have an article from a magazine or similar (but not the whole magazine), where in MARC would I put the name of that source. 23:13 jcamins @marc 773 23:13 huginn jcamins: Information concerning the host item for the constituent unit described in the record (vertical relationship). In the case of host items that are serial or multi-volume in nature, information in subfields $g and $q is necessary to point to the exact location of the component part within the bibliographic item. (Repeatable) [b,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,3,6,7,8] 23:13 jcamins ^^ eythian 23:13 eythian jcamins: cheers 23:14 eythian jcamins: this also applies when you don't have the host item, just the article itself? 23:15 eythian looks like it does, from the examples 23:15 jcamins It does indeed. 23:15 Judit eythian, i have heard there are some nagios plugins for koha cooking somewhere. any update or eta you know of? 23:15 eythian Judit: yeah, I have some 23:16 eythian they're not as complete as I want, but you're welcome to use them 23:16 Judit hm 23:16 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/nagios 23:17 eythian add the catalyst repo to your git, and checkout the 'nagios' branch from it. 23:17 eythian I plan to make them interact smartly with the packages at some stage, that's why I haven't released them properly yet 23:17 Judit okay 23:18 Judit anything we can help with? 23:18 Judit other than testing 23:18 eythian mostly I want it to be able to work out what instances should be active, and test them all, so that you don't have to reconfigure nagios each time you add or remove a koha instance.