Time  Nick         Message
23:58 wizzyrea     poor pup
23:58 jcamins_away Oh no! I hope it's something with a quick recovery?
23:58 bg           yeah I was up all night with a sick puppy - so I'm tired also
23:57 jcamins_away Tired. Allergy season arrived with a vengeance.
23:57 jcamins_away I'm doing pretty well.
23:57 bg           how you doing?
23:56 bg           ok thanks
23:56 jcamins_away bg: I think you need to edit cron.daily.
23:55 bg           or do I need just edit/add to one of the crons
23:54 bg           do you know the command for a package it I wanted to set long overdue.pl
23:54 bg           rangi
23:49 jenkins_koha Starting build 460 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6600 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Library name linking wrong if current location is different
23:49 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 6600, Library name linking wrong if current location is different
23:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #459: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/459/
23:40 book_labels8 I have had a look at the documentation, but it doesn't say how to do that
23:37 wizzyrea     book_labels8: have you had a look at the labels documentation? I think that it tells how to make those labels
23:37 wizzyrea     (that was in regards to the barcode font size
23:36 wizzyrea     but there is dev in the pipeline to allow that
23:36 wizzyrea     book_labels8: unfortunately there isn't really a way to do that
23:14 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6953 - Value builder for NORMARC 007 does not show further options <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7b77c789ee17515931e9d54a23d85234ed9e505>
23:10 mtj          book_labels8: hmm, pass on that
23:05 book_labels8 Also, is there a way to increase the barcode font size?
23:03 book_labels8 Hi guys, does anyone know if you can create a custom book label with the branch name and barcode on it? Running version 3.4.2
23:02 jenkins_koha Starting build 459 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6268 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Bad Total in basket.pl
23:02 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6076 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , acqui pdf error when marcxml wrong
23:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: BZ6268 follow-up for the form
23:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6268: (MT #6408) Bad Total in basket.pl
23:02 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 6076: acqui pdf error when marcxml wrong
23:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: BZ6074: setting import flag when staged file imported in aqbasket
23:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #458: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/458/
22:44 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6600, Library name linking wrong if current location is different <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ade95d5db2f2b6a0a2d47d53aecae26a9997243>
22:28 chris_n2     or it may have been a winders problem
22:27 chris_n2     I just hand edited those out
22:27 chris_n2     yeah
22:26 eythian      it has utf-8 issues though I noticed.
22:25 rangi        cool
22:24 chris_n2     saved a *bunch* of time
22:24 chris_n2     but that page I just created was based on such an export
22:24 chris_n2     yeah, it took a very small amount of cleanup
22:22 rangi        oh, i didnt know that
22:22 chris_n2     libreoffice writer has a cool export to wiki option
22:19 eythian      heh
22:19 chris_n2     its short for ex<plod>e
22:19 bg           short skis and you can do it
22:18 chris_n2     LOL
22:18 eythian      chris_n2: what's a .exe file?
22:18 eythian      also impossible anywhere else :)
22:18 chris_n2     that sounds fun
22:17 eythian      in that case, I plan to try skiing through a revolving door.
22:17 eythian      heh
22:17 bg           s/drive/driver
22:17 bg           well anything is possible in india (a drive said that to me before)
22:17 chris_n2     for all of you brave people: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4
22:17 eythian      I sent mine away a week and a half ago, so it should be almost ready.
22:16 bg           heh - just got mine last week
22:16 eythian      nope
22:16 * eythian    should chase up the status of his visa today, too
22:16 bg           been to india before?
22:16 eythian      sweet
22:16 bg           Ah cool we are at the same place
22:15 * bg         needs to look up the name again
22:15 eythian      yeah, Vihang's Inn, which is where many others are staying.
22:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 458 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:15 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6958 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Missing spaces in translated templates
22:15 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6974: bugfix: do not create empty record before building input for new biblio
22:15 bg           do you have a place you're staying yet?
22:15 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6958 : Fix for leading spaces being stripped on translation
22:15 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #457: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/457/
22:15 eythian      I'm usually pretty good with jet lag, also for me it'll just be staying up later :)
22:14 bg           I think we'll need more time to adjust to the time difference
22:14 bg           ahhh..  we're getting in two days early
22:14 eythian      The night before the conference starts
22:13 bg           when do you arrive?
22:13 bg           awesome
22:13 eythian      bg: yarp
22:13 bg           eythian: you're going to india right?
22:13 rangi        asleep is my guess
22:13 rangi        hehe
22:13 bg           where's slef - he'd have an opinion or at least tell me to watch football (non-US)
22:12 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: BZ6268 follow-up for the form <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e16c7cbabf1b53be061d661dc02b27d4f271a3c> / Bug 6268: (MT #6408) Bad Total in basket.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0d0b3ef9c2840633ae9860b66babeba3cb453b1b>
22:12 bg           I'm rooting for the tigers
22:12 bg           so home field advantage
22:11 bg           it's in yankee stadium
22:10 rangi        the tigers?
22:10 rangi        hmmm
22:09 bg           so who wins tonight - the yanks or the tigers?
22:07 rangi        cya cait
22:07 eythian      heh cya
22:07 cait         bye all
22:07 cait         you are here, time to go to sleep for me :)
22:06 eythian      hello cait
22:06 cait         morning mr robin :)
22:06 eythian      http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2011/10/10/111010crmu_music_frerejones?mbid=social_retweet <-- remember everyone, today is black metal friday
21:36 rangi        :)
21:35 * cait       cheers
21:32 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6076: acqui pdf error when marcxml wrong <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f0e3d7a4ba5265e586c0f940c46a63d04ab1e3f> / BZ6074: setting import flag when staged file imported in aqbasket <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5a3f485ab861b1d0330d1c4a3c4d17ba97f4863>
21:28 cait         sekjal++
21:28 cait         night sekjal
21:27 sekjal       night, all
21:27 jenkins_koha Starting build 457 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:27 sekjal       but for now, I rest
21:27 sekjal       more QAing to follow
21:27 jenkins_koha srdjan: bug_6770: removed doubled override increment when using AllowHoldPolicyOverride
21:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #456: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/456/
21:27 sekjal       testplans++
21:23 rangi        it makes life a lot easier
21:23 * rangi      really appreciates the testplans on the bugs he has been pushing
21:12 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: bug_6974: bugfix: do not create empty record before building input for new biblio <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c1ea37e6366fc7a17ece602f73de4d7ebfbd279>
21:08 rangi        heya bg :)
21:08 cait         hi bg :)
21:07 bg           HA
21:03 rangi        always int he shadows
21:03 rangi        that jesse
20:59 rangi        trying to do ccl, in a half arsed fashion
20:59 rangi        it all stems from us
20:59 rangi        thats it
20:58 trea         ya that looks like it
20:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1807 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , ':' character blocks search ; search () give odd results
20:58 trea         bug 1807? perhaps
20:57 rangi        there are some bugs about that
20:57 trea         anyone recall a bug about doing a search with parens returning no results?
20:56 * chris_n2   remembers when he thought his TI-990 was fast along with its whopping 28k of memory
20:55 chris_n2     and lots of junk running in the background
20:55 chris_n2     its an old, old pentium4 with maybe 2GB of memory
20:55 trea         ;)
20:54 chris_n2     not on this box ;-)
20:54 * trea       wonders if virtual box on WinXP running a debian VM is faster
20:54 * chris_n2   suspects its the low end hardware he's running
20:53 chris_n2     it is slooooooow as cold molasses, however
20:53 * Brooke     cheers Chris squared.
20:53 chris_n2     well, I decided to keep notes this time
20:53 * Brooke     has a one track mind.
20:53 cait         yay!
20:52 Brooke       no I think it's a stellar addition to the cheevo system :P
20:52 chris_n2     Brooke: you really want one?
20:52 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6958 : Fix for leading spaces being stripped on translation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=873091dcc84de8856a1da936ab0045351273cc53>
20:52 chris_n2     lol
20:52 Brooke       can we have one of those?
20:51 Brooke       oooh
20:51 rangi        well done
20:51 rangi        chris_n2: you win the persistent bugger badge :-)
20:51 * Brooke     assualts rangi with E Papa Waiari
20:51 rangi        this will get rid of it
20:51 rangi        http://grooveshark.com/#/s/Ghosts+n+Stuff/3HJOrj?src=5
20:50 chris_n2     for anyone who's interested: http://imageshack.us/f/5/kohatrunkonwin32.jpg/
20:50 rangi        "out you demon song, out"
20:50 * rangi      whacks his head
20:50 rangi        now its stuck in my brain
20:50 trea         iknorite
20:50 rangi        we gotta move these colour tvs
20:50 trea         Brooke: reminds me a Dire Straits song
20:43 cait         !huginn botsnack blister cream(?)
20:42 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: bug_6770: removed doubled override increment when using AllowHoldPolicyOverride <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d388acd4825c7befb98438315a6ff8acd21cbbd9>
20:41 rangi        heh
20:41 Brooke       jenkins gonna get blisters on his bot fingers.
20:39 rangi        one of many builds today i think
20:39 jenkins_koha Starting build 456 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:17 nengard      be back
20:17 nengard      must go - hubby says so - need to do my exercises cause i'm feeling tight
20:17 Brooke       that many lines = naval class swearing.
20:17 nengard      :)
20:17 nengard      oh
20:16 Brooke       just looking at the template toolkit dependency
20:16 nengard      Brooke what's up?
20:16 nengard      :)
20:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6689 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Improve styling of table pager
20:16 nengard      sekjal signed off on bug 6689
20:16 nengard      oleonard signed off
20:16 Brooke       holy mf
20:15 * oleonard   is not disappointed
20:15 * oleonard   scrolls down expectantly to 5917
20:14 trea         oleonard++
20:14 cait         oleonard++
20:14 cait         oh
20:14 gmcharlt     sekjal: and for the ultimate view - http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=5917&display=doall&rankdir=LR
20:13 oleonard     trea: span.results_summary.actions { display : none; }
20:12 oleonard     nengard: Or vice-versa. They don't conflict.
20:12 sekjal       gmcharlt:  I'm thrilled by this
20:11 nengard      so i apply that first and then this
20:11 nengard      well that would be it :)
20:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6616 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Move common table pager markup to include
20:11 oleonard     nengard: It depends on the patch for Bug 6616
20:11 nengard      other ideas?
20:11 nengard      oleonard 6689 - i applied and shift refreshed and don't see a difference
20:10 gmcharlt     sekjal: for even more fun, http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=5917
20:10 rangi        for all the others
20:10 rangi        the way it works it will fall back to english
20:10 rangi        and put the changed template in theer
20:10 rangi        a 'language'
20:09 rangi        is make a language
20:09 sekjal       gmcharlt: nice!
20:09 cait         rangi: yeah, make me feel bad about my newest project :P
20:09 rangi        a trick you can use
20:09 rangi        But
20:09 cait         trea: very easy with jquery probably
20:09 rangi        yeah changing templates for local use = bad, wrong and evil
20:09 trea         ^^
20:09 cait         that's the art :)
20:09 cait         Brooke: I think without changing the templates
20:09 Brooke       /* */
20:09 gmcharlt     sekjal: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=6070
20:08 cait         hm not so easy with css i think
20:08 Brooke       why not comment it out initially so you don't break summat accidentally
20:06 trea         how do you hide this?
20:06 trea         i think this is a CSS question possibly:  There is a span class "Actions" per-item in the search results. This is the HTML <span class="label">Actions:</span>
20:06 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6689] Improve styling of table pager <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6689>
20:03 nengard      i'll see what i can add to the manual
20:03 nengard      thanks cait
20:02 Brooke       kia ora
20:02 cait         or zebra deactivated, whatever :)
20:01 cait         when you update from koha with nozebra activated
20:01 cait         but people are still using it
20:01 cait         nengard: we ar enot offering it on new installs
20:01 nengard      cait i thought nozebra was deprecated ? am i wrong?
19:59 sekjal       s/of/for/
19:59 sekjal       cool idea of bugs.k-c.org:  get the Dependency Graphs working
19:57 cait         nengard: or presenting for me
19:57 cait         only when you are still running nozebra i guess
19:55 nengard      oleonard i hate that - that's what training is like for me
19:54 nengard      for tom's email - QueryRemoveStopwords - does it do anything anymore?
19:48 cait         some days it feels like everything falls apart that you touch
19:48 cait         I know that feeling
19:48 oleonard     Seems like I usually discover at least one bug for each bug I fix or sign off on
19:46 cait         filing more bugs than resolving?
19:45 * oleonard   wonders if we'll hit 7000 bugs before GBSD is over
19:41 cait         reports like bugs or mistakes they find
19:41 cait         as an option to get it included
19:41 wahanui      a wiki page is probably broken again.
19:41 cait         or a wiki page?
19:41 cait         perhaps tell them to put text and reports on bugzilla?
19:40 nengard      is that the one who found my mistakes?
19:40 oleonard     Oh sure, get all technical with them.
19:36 rangi        if you do it on the main list, we may even get more ppl :)
19:36 rangi        show even
19:36 rangi        nengard: you should should tom how to submit patches for documentation
19:34 cait         at least on my new laptop :)
19:34 rangi        well, ill give a couple of hours leeway
19:34 cait         ah,it's not that much, it runs pretty fast
19:34 cait         not my time zone?
19:34 cait         utc?
19:34 rangi        yeah, it only takes about 5 mins to run
19:34 cait         run perl translate update somelanguagecode
19:34 cait         take a complete po file
19:33 cait         you  hve
19:33 sekjal       it sure would be nice if we had a readily accessible way of checking if a submitted patch introduces new strings
19:33 rangi        which is 24:00 UTC October 8
19:33 rangi        before string freeze
19:32 cait         it's still possible
19:32 rangi        then its got a couple of days
19:32 nengard      but it made it in before the feature freeze
19:32 cait         but nice
19:32 cait         if it changes the template it will cause fuzzys
19:32 oleonard     It certainly introduces template changes, probably new strings
19:32 cait         probably
19:32 rangi        does it introduce any new strings?
19:31 nengard      it's NICE
19:31 nengard      oleonard i hope so - i love that feature
19:30 trea         ah, the energy drinks
19:29 cait         I was wondering about the hummingbird
19:29 wahanui      cait is kf or a programmer or really sweet or a source of great chocolate or the purveyor of an infinite supply of virtual cookies or not sure we need the page(s)... but that might just be me or Ms. Cait to you.
19:29 trea         cait?
19:29 cait         trea?
19:29 rangi        its still fair game at this point oleonard
19:28 rangi        hehe
19:27 * trea       hovers
19:27 trea         WOOO! I'm a hummingbird!
19:27 * rangi      may have had too much energy drink this morning
19:27 sekjal       HTML_comment++
19:27 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6483 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, salva, ASSIGNED , Paging in opac-detail when coming from a search
19:27 * oleonard   wonders if Bug 6483 will make it in... haven't checked it in a while
19:27 oleonard     heh
19:26 rangi        its not used enough imho
19:26 rangi        marquee
19:26 oleonard     HTMl comment?
19:26 cait         span?
19:26 cait         hm, why div?
19:26 rangi        yeah hiddent div would be fine
19:25 sekjal       move to a hidden dev or an HTML attribute?  for debugging purposes?
19:25 trea         +1
19:25 rangi        +1
19:25 nengard      +1
19:25 cait         +1 for removing
19:25 cait         I had complaints about that too
19:25 rangi        cos its about as useful to a borrower
19:25 cait         hehe
19:25 nengard      hehe
19:25 trea         rangi++
19:25 trea         ^^^
19:24 rangi        ah:asa:aiwdh111!#$
19:24 rangi        i vote we replace it with
19:24 rangi        thats dumb on the opac
19:24 nengard      :)
19:24 rangi        trea: no, but we should
19:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6984 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Holds Statistics Doesn't Work
19:24 nengard      Bug 6984 reported
19:24 wahanui      i already had it that way, trea.
19:24 trea         reposting:  in the Opac Search results, there is a little bit in the breadcrumbs div that says "kw,wrdl:<your search term>" - can you hide the "kw,wrdl:" bit?
19:23 rangi        i guess i know what im doing today
19:23 rangi        hmm 19 passed qa
19:22 nengard      okay bug report
19:22 nengard      on my system and a production system
19:22 nengard      exactly what i found
19:22 oleonard     I'm guessing broken.
19:22 oleonard     nengard: I just tried it on our production system which should have lots of data. No results.
19:22 rangi        :)
19:22 oleonard     ^ adding to the pile
19:21 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6983] Item type filter on overdues report does not respect item-level_itypes preference <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6983>
19:19 nengard      i have asked this before, but i'm trying again - has anyone gotten results from the holds statistics report - ever? cause I never have ? I don't have a help file for this one cause I've never seen it work
19:14 rangi        heh
19:14 nengard      oops scared him away
19:13 rhcl_MLA     gotta go...
19:13 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6966 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Update Help Files for Koha 3.6 Release
19:13 nengard      lots of easy sign offs needed on bug 6966
19:12 rhcl_MLA     thought
19:12 rhcl_MLA     though that was a garble for "them"  :)
19:12 rangi        walter wrote kete, and still works on it
19:12 rhcl_MLA     ah, ok
19:12 rangi        wtem
19:12 rhcl_MLA     send who a tweet?
19:11 rangi        send wtem a tweet
19:11 rhcl_MLA     only when I have to
19:10 rangi        do you use twitter?
19:10 rangi        catalyst dont no
19:09 rhcl_MLA     does anyone (Catalyst?) support Kete?
19:09 rhcl_MLA     also the Midwest Geneological Center at Mid-Continent Public Library
19:09 rangi        cool
19:08 rhcl_MLA     The Missouri State Historical Society is apparently considering starting to use it, and wanted input from others.
19:07 rangi        heh
19:07 rhcl_MLA     The attendees were really impressed that I could name-drop "Joann" and "Rangi"
19:07 rangi        were there some ppl using it there?
19:06 rangi        cool
19:06 rhcl_MLA     we just had a table talk discussion about Kete here at the Missouri Library Association annual conference
19:05 rangi        sorry was getting off the bus
19:02 wizzyrea     thought i might have some time to hang out
19:02 wizzyrea     ugh gotta go again
19:02 rhcl_MLA     wish Joann was online...
19:01 rhcl_MLA     They had lots of questions about using Kete w/ Koha, et al
19:01 wahanui      interesting is good
19:01 wizzyrea     interesting
19:01 rhcl_MLA     It seems there is some interest by the Mo State Gen. Lib. about starting to use Kete
19:00 wizzyrea     ah
19:00 rhcl_MLA     I'm here at MLA, and just attended a table talk about Kete. Rebecca Hammond from Lawerence PL was at the talk.
18:59 rhcl_MLA     what the heck...will resend
18:59 trea         noice
18:59 rhcl_MLA     hey hey rebecca Hammond here from Lawrence PL too, so met her
18:58 rhcl_MLA     hey hey
18:58 wizzyrea     trea - probably
18:58 wizzyrea     sup rhcl
18:58 huginn       rhcl_MLA: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 10 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: * wizzyrea never went, but knew people who did
18:58 rhcl_MLA     @seen wizzyrea
18:58 huginn       rhcl_MLA: rangi was last seen in #koha 8 minutes and 15 seconds ago: <rangi> sweet
18:58 rhcl_MLA     @seen rangi
18:58 trea         ok, in the Opac Search results, there is a little bit in the breadcrumbs div that says "kw,wrdl:<your search term>" - can you hide the "kw,wrdl:" bit?
18:57 huginn       rhcl_MLA: I have not seen everybody.
18:57 rhcl_MLA     @seen everybody
18:57 huginn       rhcl_MLA: joann was last seen in #koha 22 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 47 minutes, and 1 second ago: <joann> night all
18:57 rhcl_MLA     @seen joann
18:56 huginn       rhcl_MLA: I have not seen joanne.
18:56 rhcl_MLA     @seen joanne
18:55 rhcl_MLA     ping rangi
18:55 rhcl_MLA     ping wizzyrea
18:50 rangi        sweet
18:48 maximep      yeah we keep everything in their branch
18:45 rangi        so when u are allowed easy to send
18:45 rangi        I guess main thing is try to keep them rebase on their own branches
18:44 maximep      at least we can send bug fixes. Better than nothing, I guess
18:42 sekjal       maximep:  sorry to hear you had to pull patches.  hopefully they'll be in a place where you can distribute them again soon
18:41 sekjal       lol
18:40 rangi        you can?
18:40 cait         so you can't?
18:39 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6980] Existing extended patron attributes are shown on patron screens even when ExtendedPatronAttributes is disabled <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6980>
18:39 rangi        we write our contracts so we can't, but u can't go back in time
18:39 rangi        *nod* others have got into that situation before
18:38 maximep      hard to explain
18:38 cait         perhaps you should change your strategy there
18:38 cait         ?
18:38 maximep      so that means probably a few months
18:38 maximep      they have to have the features before we can send them
18:38 maximep      clients
18:37 rangi        not tech issues eh? client ones?
18:37 cait         one of my favourites too it seems
18:37 cait         :(
18:37 rangi        ohhh crappy
18:34 maximep      :/
18:34 maximep      because turns out we should not have sent them
18:34 maximep      lots of patches we had to change the status
18:34 maximep      well it's not for me
18:34 rangi        lots passing qa
18:33 rangi        heh no its good noise
18:33 maximep      probably my fault :/
18:32 rangi        thats noisy :)
18:32 rangi        the bugs list isn't
18:31 chris_n      its awful quiet in here
18:22 * oleonard   will brb
18:22 cait         :)
18:21 trea         ty ty
18:21 trea         cait++
18:21 cait         $("option[value='callnum']").hide();
18:20 cait         sec
18:20 cait         hm
18:19 trea         right
18:19 cait         masthead - simple search in opac?
18:19 cait         hm
18:18 cait         let me take a look
18:14 trea         no luck, i'll keep fiddlin
18:12 trea         lemme try that
18:12 sekjal       $("select[name='idx'].contains("Call Number")).hide(); ?
18:10 trea         was trying to use $("select[name='idx'] option:sixth").hide(); but that's no bueno
18:10 trea         any ideas how to hide the CallNumber in the masthead search via jquery?
18:09 huginn       sekjal: The operation succeeded.
18:09 sekjal       @later tell magnuse what's the NORMARC equivalent of MARC21's 773 or UNIMARC's 461?  Host Item Entry
18:09 huginn       sekjal: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling.
18:09 sekjal       @tell later magnuse what's the NORMARC equivalent of MARC21's 773 or UNIMARC's 461?  Host Item Entry
17:15 Danielle     It was with the hiring manager who directly said he was going to have me in for an interview with the whole team.
17:14 Danielle     Thanks.
17:14 cait         grats :)
17:13 Danielle     First-round job interview went well.
17:13 * Danielle   has good news today.
17:13 Danielle     No problem.
17:13 Danielle     I see how I rate. ;)
17:12 cait         hi Danielle - sorry, wrong sequence
17:10 cait         morning rangi :)
17:10 rangi        morning
17:09 wahanui      hello, Danielle
17:08 Danielle     Hi
17:08 cait         hi all
16:49 * oleonard   saw the very first incarnation when it was in Chicago (or nearby anyway)
16:47 * wizzyrea   never went, but knew people who did
16:47 wizzyrea     lollapalooza was a big deal for us teens of the 90's
16:47 * paul_p     learned something today
16:46 wahanui      okay, wizzyrea.
16:46 wizzyrea     QA-palooza is also a play on the Lollapalooza music festival
16:46 sekjal       http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollapalooza
16:45 wizzyrea     QA-palooza is a festival of looking at patches and a generally joyous expression of testing
16:45 paul_p       sekjal: QA-palooza ???
16:44 paul_p       QA-palooza ???
16:44 paul_p       mantra for today : sekjal-6328-sekjal-6328-sekjal-6328-sekjal-6328-sekjal-6328-sekjal-6328- ;-)
16:43 sekjal       next few weeks will be QA-palooza
16:43 sekjal       paul_p:  awesome, thanks!
16:42 paul_p       sekjal: excatly 37 patches QAed this afternoon, from 71 that were pending. I'll continue tomorrow. If you can QA the BibLibre ones i'll be thankfull !
16:16 ropuch       I wonder if they have similar customization in stuff interface
16:14 ropuch       You mean ping response? ;>
16:14 paul_p       (by train or car, no airlines)
16:14 paul_p       the only bad side : Marseille <=> Limoges = 7Hours !!!
16:13 paul_p       (all of them being BibLibre customers)
16:13 paul_p       Add Limoges history museum & a CNRS research laboratory, Limoges is a 100% Koha city ;-)
16:13 ropuch       Nice nice
16:13 paul_p       in the french design, you'll notice : "Catalogue BfM". It's the public library of Limoges. And you know what, they use Koha too ;-)
16:11 oleonard     ...but warn them that this is a custom template ropuch, with all the future upgrade issues which come along with custom templates
16:10 ropuch       Bookmarked, I'll show it to students as an example how can you further customzie Koha [;
16:10 wizzyrea     yea I like that a lot actually
16:09 ropuch       :)
16:09 oleonard     Very nice design, it should be seen by English speakers too! :)
16:09 paul_p       (as I see french by default ;-) )
16:08 sekjal       paul_p:  ah
16:08 paul_p       sekjal: I know it's language auto-detect, what I missed is that their design was only in french !
16:08 wizzyrea     well it's pretty anyway
16:08 sekjal       browser language auto-detect
16:08 * paul_p     will warn our project manager immediately !
16:08 paul_p       yikes ! strange ! they worked directly in fr-FR scope ! silly they !
16:08 sekjal       ooooooh
16:08 nengard      very puuurty
16:07 wizzyrea     oh puuurty
16:07 wizzyrea     *nod*
16:07 oleonard     Switch to French to see their design
16:07 wizzyrea     ty
16:07 oleonard     http://catalogue.unilim.fr/
16:07 nengard      so that others can benefit from it
16:07 nengard      awesome! well you can translate the XML and submit the translation to the docs list
16:07 oleonard     paul_p: Maybe not a whole translation, but because I was shown the English version automatically I didn't see their design
16:06 ropuch       nengard: I'm thinking about translating some parts of it, so i reached for the source [;
16:06 wizzyrea     oleonard - link?
16:06 paul_p       & i'm not sure they're interested in translating into english. Limoges is a small city, a small university, maybe they don't have english native students.
16:06 ropuch       Oh, sure I can
16:06 nengard      ropuch can you not read the manual that's online in HTML already?
16:05 wizzyrea     there's a linux tool docbook2html
16:05 paul_p       hi oleonard, yep, they have a fully customised/local set of templates. We've explained the pain they'll face, they are ready to face it !
16:05 wizzyrea     right
16:05 ropuch       wizzyrea: and then I need to generate some html-or-whatever from the xml to see "readable" version of manual?
16:05 oleonard     paul_p: Université de Limoges is using a custom template? They need to duplicate it for English speakers too!
16:04 wizzyrea     yay!
16:04 JoeLib001    Awesome! :-) Thanks wizzyrea. I edited the Framework and changed TOPIC_TERM to nothing in the Thesauras option for the 690 field.
15:59 wizzyrea     there are some open source ones
15:59 wizzyrea     so you'd probably want a docbook editor
15:59 wizzyrea     it's in docbook format
15:59 wizzyrea     you mean, how to edit it?
15:59 ropuch       How can I properly view manual.xml from kohadocs?
15:58 wizzyrea     sorry to be so in and out - i'm at a workshop today
15:58 wizzyrea     that or you need to modify your framework to make sure the 690 field doesn't require authority
15:57 JoeLib001    heading, BiblioAddsAuthorities must be turned on." Would that mean it would remove the lock and let me add the subjects I want?
15:57 JoeLib001    record without being *required* to open a popup window for each
15:57 JoeLib001    I found this statement. "In order for a cataloger to be able to add or edit a heading in the bib
15:55 reiveune     bye
15:51 ropuch       wizzyrea: kk
15:51 wizzyrea     it ends when the last time zone leaves the 8th ;)
15:51 JoeLib001    They are not standard subjects as far as I can tell. I will be pulling from them to create an alphabetical list by subject of my collection. I am in the process of moving our Serials from EOS Glas to Koha and that is one of the things I am supposed to make functional.
15:51 nengard      making good progress
15:51 ropuch       wizzyrea: what time zone is this 8th? ;>
15:51 nengard      will get it done this week then
15:50 nengard      okay
15:50 nengard      aka how long do i have to write help files ?. OH CRAP
15:50 wizzyrea     8th
15:50 nengard      when is the string freeze?
15:48 JoeLib001    I have a list of subjects that I need to assign to each of my records. Should I be creating an authority record for each subject?
15:46 wizzyrea     i guess I didn't know what was broken about it
15:46 wizzyrea     ok
15:46 wizzyrea     ?
15:46 cait         in case you wondered :)
15:46 cait         wizzyrea: rangi fixed the blog entry
15:45 wizzyrea     lemme see if I can find the proper bit of the docs... sec
15:45 wizzyrea     naw, not inept :)
15:45 JoeLib001    I hate to sound totally inept, but I really don't know. :-)
15:43 wizzyrea     you probably have an authority on for it?
15:42 JoeLib001    I am trying to add a local subject in the 690 field, but the a field is locked. Anyone know what I should be doinng?
15:05 wizzyrea     hi druthb :D
15:04 * druthb     waves to wizzyrea!
14:57 * wizzyrea   got distracted looking at the quotes generated by bugzilla
14:43 * oleonard   hates configuring Apache so much... So many places for something to go wrong...
14:40 kf           and I am really short on time this week
14:40 kf           wajasu: I am not sure how this can be tested
14:39 wajasu       it might just be that i'm running on archlinux and something in the character food chain is gumming up the works.
14:38 wajasu       maybe its a mysql setting or perl thing. my only option is to set up a vm with debian and compare. i'm interested in knowing if your mysql db has C3BC in the author field as comment 16 mentioned.
14:24 kf           weird
14:24 kf           hm
14:23 wajasu       kf: i created a new book with Jürgen in the author field and printed the barcode label and got two chars. no umlaut.
14:12 oleonard     Working with the tabs is tricky because it's an old jqueryUI version. They seemed to change the syntax for that with every upgrade for a while
14:12 kf           oleonard++ :)
14:11 gmcharlt     oleonard++
14:11 druthb       oleonard++
14:11 druthb       That's got it!
14:10 oleonard     }
14:10 oleonard     $('#header_search > ul').tabs('select', 1);
14:10 oleonard     if($("#authority_search").length > 0){
14:09 gmcharlt     doh, /me was looking at the wrong thig
14:08 oleonard     You can also say $('#header_search > ul').tabs('select', 1); , but then you have to figure out how to only trigger it on that page
14:08 druthb       $("#main_heading").removeAttr("ui-tabs-hide");
14:08 druthb       $("#authority_search").attr("ui-tabs-hide");
14:08 druthb       Tried this, and that doesn't fly, either:
14:07 druthb       oh-hoh.
14:07 gmcharlt     the selected attribute is, well, an attribute, not a class
14:07 gmcharlt     druthb: .removeAttr/.attr ?
14:02 druthb       oh, absolutely!
14:02 kf           tonight ok?
14:02 druthb       They're not freaking about it, but would like to get it done and off my plate.
14:01 kf           druthb: how urgent do you need it?
14:01 kf           hmmm
13:58 * druthb     is hoping for a jQuery god or goddess:  On the main Authorities screen, one site wants to default that to "search main heading".  I've tried using .addClass/.removeClass, but it doesn't appear to be working.  Anyone played with that one?
13:57 druthb       o/
13:50 kf           perhaps copying umlauts from wikipedia or somewhere else?
13:50 kf           have you tried creating a new record and printing that?
13:50 kf           wajasu: I am not sure when i fill find time to test - i am sorry
13:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
13:49 wajasu       can someone verify the behavior of diacritics not printing in barcode labels as I am trying to understand if its only true for my system. see bug 2246 comment 16. it seems to work for kf, but not for me unless i apply my patch.
13:35 nengard      thanks!
13:35 nengard      :)
13:34 nengard      gmcharlt chrony is working
13:34 nengard      +1
13:34 Danielle     \0
13:34 * oleonard   votes to pass 5459
13:34 nengard      let me do it one more time
13:34 nengard      and i did do the update
13:34 nengard      no backports
13:33 gmcharlt     sekjal: glad to help - looks like the term to google if you're using another host would be "time warp", believe it or not
13:33 gmcharlt     if that does help, an alternative to to apt-get install chrony
13:32 gmcharlt     if it doesn't, add it, then do an apt-get update
13:32 gmcharlt     deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
13:32 gmcharlt     e.g., a line like this
13:32 gmcharlt     first, see if your /etc/apt/sources.list contains backports
13:32 gmcharlt     nengard: couple things
13:32 sekjal       gmcharlt:  that looks like a good starting place, thank you!
13:31 nengard      gmcharlt - any other idaes on my time thing?
13:31 nengard      brb
13:31 nengard      now i have to open the door for coda cause she doesn't seem to understand that mommy doesn't like her fingers to freeze off!!!
13:30 nengard      there you go
13:30 NateC        and I LOVE MY WIFE
13:30 nengard      I'm gonna tell!!
13:30 NateC        bahahhahah
13:30 nengard      you're in trouble ;)
13:30 nengard      oooooo
13:30 NateC        your right I love space :)
13:29 nengard      better be more than like!!
13:29 NateC        well, I do :)
13:29 NateC        HA
13:28 nengard      LOL
13:28 wahanui      I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE
13:28 sekjal       NateC?
13:28 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6616] Move common table pager markup to include <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6616>
13:28 gmcharlt     Koha ... In ... Spaaaaaace!
13:28 nengard      :)
13:27 oleonard     sekjal: Your other option is to leave your VM on Earth and accelerate away at near the speed of light
13:26 gmcharlt     sekjal: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#warpguest looks interesting
13:25 nengard      after an update it still gives me the same error message
13:24 nengard      6.0
13:24 gmcharlt     /etc/debian_version will tell
13:24 nengard      how do i find out?
13:24 nengard      i know i should know that ?
13:23 gmcharlt     also, which version of Debian?
13:23 gmcharlt     nengard: try an apt-get update, then the apt-get install openntpd
13:19 nengard      gmcharlt "Package openntpd is not available, but is referred to by another package."
13:18 nengard      thanks gmcharlt trying now
13:18 sekjal       perferrably much less
13:18 sekjal       I'd like to be able to collect a year's worth of simulated data in a less than year
13:18 sekjal       gmcharlt:  yes, serious.  I want to run usage simulations, but I'm impatient
13:16 gmcharlt     sekjal: serious question?  I suppose advancing the system clock with a cronjob could simulate it, at least roughly
13:15 gmcharlt     nengard: to expand, 'sudo apt-get install openntpd' will do what you want
13:15 oleonard     Gotta Inception up that VM
13:14 sekjal       so one hour in the real world is a day on the VM's clock
13:13 sekjal       gmcharlt (or anyone else):  how about running a VM in accelerated time?
13:13 gmcharlt     nengard: ntpd
13:13 sekjal       nengard:  marking a hold as 'waiting' with multiple borrowers entries is a bit problematic
13:12 * oleonard   is not being helpful, is just muttering
13:11 * oleonard   would think it would already be configured to do so automatically...
13:10 nengard      linux experts, is there a way to set up my debian VM to get the right date and time everytime it restarts? automatically?
13:09 nengard      brb
13:09 nengard      and hols that are waiting and in transit
13:09 nengard      i tested with item level holds and next available holds
13:08 nengard      k
13:08 sekjal       will try filling some holds, see how that affects it
13:08 sekjal       yes, that's good
13:08 nengard      :) that's a good thing ? right?
13:08 sekjal       nengard: hmm... I can't seem to produce a kaboom by perturbing the list order
13:08 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6466] hung socket read causes SIP tests to fail <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6466> / [Bug 6817] In overdue.pl, downloading the overdues as a file ignores the filters if the page isn't in english. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6817> / [Bug 6977] Support for repeated subfields when importing an authority into a biblio record field. <http://bugs.koha-community.o
13:08 nengard      sekjal so it fails?
13:07 oleonard     You're a regular Kevin Spacey gmcharlt.
13:07 gmcharlt     oleonard: negotiations have successfully concluded
13:06 gmcharlt     cool
13:06 paul_p       gmcharlt: ok, works
13:06 gmcharlt     does is still not work for you?
13:06 sekjal       and if that's duplicated.... kaboom
13:06 gmcharlt     paul_p: I checked, bugzilla works for me
13:06 sekjal       (borrowernumber, biblionumber) is the only key we've got
13:05 sekjal       the holds list for that title will have weirdness if a borrower is on there twice
13:05 nengard      that was one test i didn't do
13:05 nengard      WOO HOO
13:05 sekjal       however
13:05 sekjal       nengard:  the merge works even if a borrower's got a hold on both titles
13:03 huginn       gmcharlt: Quote #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me angry, I just think back to svn and cvs, and git could punch me in the face and it would still be better" (added by gmcharlt at 07:49 PM, September 13, 2011)
13:03 gmcharlt     @quote random
13:02 gmcharlt     paul_p: it's also running on a linode .. so possible
13:02 paul_p       is it me or bugzilla must be freed like huginn ?
13:00 sekjal       but, if a borrower happens to have a hold on both records being merged together....
13:00 oleonard     I sent gmcharlt a briefcase of unmarked bills
13:00 sekjal       testing now
12:59 nengard      no no no :(
12:54 sekjal       I think 5459 may have yet another issue
12:51 oleonard     Find gmcharlt I think
12:51 nengard      how do we get huginn back?
12:50 nengard      bug 6210 signed off
12:48 sekjal       oleonard:  thanks for test 6974.  passed QA
12:45 magnuse      yay, thanks sekjal!
12:45 sekjal       magnuse:  6953 passed QA
12:43 magnuse      http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6953 is a real simple one, just adding one character and only affects normarc, hint, hint ;-)
12:40 nengard      and has ben tested like 8 times :)
12:39 sekjal       could be improved when we finally get reservenumber primary key added to the table, but until then, uses the best logic we have
12:39 sekjal       5459 looks good (reading the code)
12:37 nengard      :)
12:37 nengard      for those on facebook - who love dogs: http://www.facebook.com/nengard/posts/132289780205791
12:36 nengard      kf bug 6981
12:35 nengard      kf, i don't have branchcode on my barcode ? i'm going to report a new bug
12:34 sekjal       that may be independent of this particular fix, but it'd be worth noting
12:33 sekjal       oleonard:  do updates to the leader save correctly?
12:32 nengard      thanks kf
12:32 nengard      sekjal go to QAing it :) hehe
12:31 nengard      bug 5459 signed off finally :)
12:31 nengard      wooo hoooo
12:31 kf           5659 looks like my candidate
12:31 oleonard     sekjal: it's clear that the auto-fill works again on blank records. Anything else you think I should check? Side-effects?
12:31 kf           nengard: try a search for ALL autobarcode in bugzila
12:31 sekjal       cool; logically, it does what my testing did, so I think it'll work
12:30 oleonard     Yup, testing now
12:30 sekjal       http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6974
12:30 sekjal       oleonard:  got a proposed patch from Srdjan on bug 6974
12:29 magnuse      ouch
12:29 oleonard     Now we know what it will feel like after the robot rebellion
12:28 * kf         misses huginn so much
12:28 magnuse      gah
12:28 magnuse      @karma git_bz
12:28 kf           nengard: hmm. let me check
12:28 kf           git_bz++
12:28 oleonard     huginn left and took gmcharlt with him (or perhaps vice versa)
12:27 nengard      any idea on the bug number?
12:27 nengard      kf, i'm on master as of 3 min ago ? but it's still not working
12:27 oleonard     It's huginn we're missing
12:27 nengard      love git bz!!
12:27 sekjal       marking as Passed QA
12:27 paul_p       very handy to test a patch !
12:26 sekjal       paul_p:  yup, that looks pretty straight forward
12:26 * paul_p     is a fan of "git bz" !
12:26 kf           and I think the plugins in serials have problems
12:26 kf           nengard: I think there were some fixed about that - I have seen problesm with branchcode + incremented value
12:26 kf           hm no wahanui?
12:26 nengard      is there a bug report for the item barcode not incrementing anymore? or is it just my system?
12:25 kf           bug 6076
12:25 paul_p       the patch is trivial, but it fixes a "normal" bug
12:25 paul_p       for example 6076
12:24 sekjal       :)
12:24 sekjal       I was being literal
12:24 sekjal       ah
12:23 paul_p       well, some are not marked trivial but are in fact
12:22 sekjal       yes, but only two of those are marked 'trivial'
12:22 paul_p       sekjal: I don't understand = "Only two trivial bugs that are signed off right now:". I see 71 bugs signed-off & waiting QA !
12:22 sekjal       paul_p:  yes
12:21 paul_p       sekjal: around ?
12:00 nengard      Brooke
12:00 Brooke       nengard
11:58 kf           yes :)
11:57 jcamins_away That would be impressive.
11:56 chris_n      almost
11:56 chris_n      well
11:56 chris_n      a few changes and it "should" be a simple as doing an install on *nix
11:55 Brooke       noice
11:55 * chris_n    nearly has koha from master running on win32 again, fwiw
11:24 Brooke       0/
11:19 ropuch       I'm not so sure ;>
11:19 Brooke       which is much better than me :D
11:19 Brooke       I bet you remember half the alphabet at least
11:19 Brooke       you prolly have the same issues I have with Italian occasionally.
11:19 ropuch       It's been so long time ago I hardly remember anything
11:18 ropuch       Yup
11:18 Brooke       some of it is the same :)
11:18 Brooke       it should
11:18 ropuch       Closely reminds me of my sanskrit courses ;>
11:11 Brooke       http://www.ukindia.com/zhin001.htm
11:08 sekjal       kia ore, magnuse kf
11:07 kf           hi sekjal :)
11:07 magnuse      kia ora sekjal
11:06 sekjal       howdy, Brooke
11:06 Brooke       ahoy sekjal
10:55 Brooke       guten morgen!
10:55 kf           hi Brooke
10:55 kf           vacation?
10:53 Brooke       God morgen.
10:53 magnuse      oh no, where's huginn?
10:53 ropuch       \o/
10:53 magnuse      \o
10:52 Brooke       0/
10:51 magnuse      @later tell wizzyrea: can you add owen as bug wrangler here? http://koha-community.org/koha-3-8-0-release-team-elected/
10:49 * kf         cheers
10:40 magnuse      well, it's October 7th in the timezone of your choice, and if you choose kiribati it started 40 minutes ago, to be precise
10:39 magnuse      ;-)
10:39 ropuch       I mean gbsd of course ;>
10:38 magnuse      but gbsd started 38 minutes ago
10:38 magnuse      nah, it's a never ending quest, of course...
10:36 ropuch       So bug squashing officialy started 35 minutes ago? ;>
10:33 magnuse      it's on! (in kiribati) http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-10-07_Global_bug_squashing_day
10:26 magnuse      guten tag kf
10:26 kf           hi magnuse :)
10:16 magnuse      for me too, thanks
10:15 sophie_m1    it works for me magnuse
10:06 magnuse      bugzilla down?
07:28 alex_a       :)
07:28 kf           and hi alex_a :)
07:28 alex_a       kf: o/
07:28 kf           hi marcelr :)
07:28 marcelr      hi kf
07:27 kf           good morning #koha
07:27 hdl          thanks for your involvement.
07:25 marcelr      hi paul_P
07:25 clrh_        hello
07:25 paul_p       hi marcelr & welcome to the Koha team as QA assistant !
07:23 wahanui      salut, julian_m
07:23 julian_m     hi wahanui
07:23 wahanui      salut, julian_m
07:23 julian_m     hello
07:20 marcelr      morning koha
07:13 christophe_c hello all
07:12 paul_p       hello magnuse
07:11 magnuse      kia ora hdl and paul_p
06:58 wajasu       is what I've described in Bug2246 not really exists for others?
06:55 wajasu       So currently i see C3BC in the labels, and get two characters in my PDF.   Is that what others get? C3BC  in the PDF?  or do you get F9, which maps to the latin1 ü just fine.
06:52 wajasu       in the DB.
06:52 wajasu       like '3BC%';  to see  lines like:  Moltmann, Jürgen.  | 4D6F6C746D616E6E2C204AC3BC7267656E2E | 17
06:52 wajasu       i do: select author,HEX(author),CHAR_LENGTH(author) from biblio where HEX(author)
06:50 wajasu       oh, and whether the label showed ü or two other characters instead.
06:49 wajasu       i'm trying to ascertain if there is something up with my barcode label printing.  could someone search for a author Jürgen and print a barcode label to pdf.  then using a hex editor (or od -x -c the.pdf | less)  see if the ü is C3BC or F9?
06:49 reiveune     hi magnuse
06:49 reiveune     hi rangi, hi cait
06:49 magnuse      hi reiveune
06:49 cait         hi reiveune
06:48 rangi        hi reiveune
06:46 reiveune     hello
06:41 mtj          http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=xt/perltidyrc
06:41 mtj          next to update the file...
06:39 cait         mtj++
06:37 magnuse      mtj++ # for perltidy info on the wiki
06:28 mtj          http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Non-technical-questions-and-beating-a-dead-horse-td4873696.html
06:27 wahanui      thanks cait :)
06:27 cait         wahanui botsnack cookies
06:26 ropuch       Oh, 'non-technical' still alive? ;>
06:21 wahanui      Cookies are delicious delicacies
06:21 cait         cookies!
06:20 alex_a       hi ropuch, magnuse :)
06:20 magnuse      :-)
06:20 mtj          hah, i had a chuckle at the 'Non-technical questions' mail thread...
06:20 magnuse      hiya alex_a and ropuch
06:20 ropuch       Hi magnuse, alex_a
06:20 alex_a       hello #koha
06:19 magnuse      eythian still around?
06:19 magnuse      kia ora #koha
06:16 ropuch       I will
06:16 cait         you can write to the koha-translate mailing list
06:16 cait         he is current and new translation manager
06:16 ropuch       cait: so fredericd is the one to bother about pootle permissions?
06:11 ropuch       So I remeber it right - i had overwrite permission earlier
06:10 ropuch       Ha!
06:10 cait         and add all new as suggestions
06:10 cait         merge
06:10 cait         I can do overwrite
06:09 cait         I will check
06:07 ropuch       I just don;t feel like sspending even more hours going over my corrected terms and aproving them, as they are now showed as suggestion ;>
06:06 ropuch       I've spend couple of ours correcting fuzzy translation i polish and - without "overwrite" option
06:05 ropuch       Yea, I know, just wasn;t sure if I just imnagined it being there
06:04 ropuch       So you have the right for german translation?
06:04 cait         I have no access to give you rights
06:04 cait         perhaps ask fredericd about it
06:04 cait         it#s a permission thing I think
06:04 cait         ah
06:04 cait         I think fredericd says it kills pootle because our files are too big
06:04 ropuch       Rather something like overwrite
06:04 cait         a merge thing?
06:03 ropuch       cait: I'm not sure, but I remeber 3rd action to chose when uploading .po file to pootle
05:53 cait         morning ropuch :)
05:50 ropuch       Morning #koha
05:27 cait         np
05:27 * bg         types too fast
05:26 cait         hi bg :)
05:26 bg           heh
05:26 bg           cait:
05:26 bg           AHH
05:26 bg           heya ciat
05:26 cait         hi rangi :)
05:26 rangi        hi cait
05:15 fa           thanks a lot cait!
05:13 cait         if you download koha look out for the INSTALL*files that come with it
05:13 cait         I can't do better than that
05:13 cait         there are lots of manuals on the wiki and in koha
05:09 fa           I do not have enough money to hire experts, if you can show the way to do it. thanks
05:08 cait         you will need to be able to use perl, mysql, cronjobs...
05:07 cait         fa: usual web hosting will not work I think, you need a server
05:06 fa           hello, tell me if can I put Koha in the usual hosting server?
05:05 cait         morning #koha
04:09 eythian      funny cos it's true
04:09 eythian      heh
04:07 ibeardslee   eg python
04:02 wajasu       indenting makes people do funny things
03:48 jcamins      Ah.
03:47 eythian      So the indenting made me make bugs :)
03:47 eythian      so I wasn't sure why there was another block at the bottom, and deleted it as it didn't make sense.
03:46 eythian      not the indenting specifically, but the whole middle chunk is supposed to be indented by a level and isn't
03:46 jcamins      Ah. Haven't had the misfortune of looking at that one.
03:46 eythian      jcamins: opac-sendshelf.pl
03:46 jcamins      Which file?
03:45 jcamins      The _indenting_ was causing bugs?
03:42 * eythian    gets to reformat a whole file as its indenting was so bad it was causing bugs.
03:36 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5459] merging records loses holds from one <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5459>
03:11 jcamins      Ah.
03:11 eythian      4-space indents
03:10 jcamins      eythian: what would you do instead?
03:08 eythian      hmm found one default perltidy thing I don't like: two-space indents when continuing a statement on the next line.
02:42 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6975 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, NEW , OPACBaseURL called as OPACBaseurl in many templates
02:42 jenkins_koha ian.walls: Bug 6975: OPACBaseurl instead of OPACBaseURL
02:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #455: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/455/
02:36 * Brooke     is tempted to crash the party that is surely happening in someone else's flat...
02:34 eythian      heh
02:33 mtj          i'm the 1st person *itching* to tidy all that terrible terrible wonky code :p
02:32 mtj          eythian, um yeah, ok :)
02:31 mtj          ta
02:31 eythian      maybe also add "...unless it's really terrible" to the bit about not refactoring other code :)
02:30 eythian      according to the man page
02:30 eythian      npro, not nopro
02:29 mtj          read ok?
02:29 mtj          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Perltidy
02:16 Brooke       I think I might be forced to go to a pub for Cymru Éireann
02:14 rangi        but effective
02:14 rangi        boring rugby
02:14 * Brooke     crosses ye olde fingers.
02:14 rangi        thats how england will beat france too
02:14 rangi        they'll win
02:13 rangi        if the boks play it tight and smash up the middle
02:13 Brooke       ENGAGE
02:13 Brooke       pause
02:13 Brooke       touch
02:13 Brooke       crouch
02:13 rangi        i mean the US scored a try, from a scrum
02:13 rangi        depends, the aussie forwards are hopeless
02:12 Brooke       I think the Boks might lose to the West Islanders, but the Oirish could best em, so who knows...
02:11 Brooke       it has been known to happen
02:11 rangi        unless france suddenly stop hating each other and decide to play as a team
02:10 Brooke       chur ya think?
02:10 rangi        wales
02:10 rangi        england
02:10 Brooke       Wales Éireann?
02:10 Brooke       also
02:10 Brooke       England France?
02:04 Brooke       argh roles.
02:03 eythian      pedestrians are even less safe!
02:03 * Brooke     is sorely tempted to draw up pools based on Release Rolls.
02:03 * Brooke     laughs.
02:03 rangi        hey bus driver
02:03 Brooke       0/
01:54 jenkins_koha Starting build 455 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:47 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6975: OPACBaseurl instead of OPACBaseURL <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=38f4c5264dee725505e34f81756e68d2558c59f2>
01:41 jcamins      :)
01:41 jcamins      Right you are.
01:40 rangi        old git maybe
01:40 rangi        when all that changed was one letter
01:40 jcamins      Hm. I wonder why it doesn't work on this other VM.
01:40 rangi        its good for finding what actually changed
01:40 rangi        heh
01:40 eythian      it's all christmasy
01:40 rangi        yup
01:40 eythian      that is pretty nice
01:40 rangi        git diff --word-diff-color works too of course
01:39 rangi        makes reading diffs a lot easier
01:39 rangi        its cool
01:39 rangi        try it :)
01:39 jcamins      No, what's it do?
01:39 rangi        eh?
01:39 rangi        git show --word-diff=color
01:39 rangi        you ppl all know about
01:34 rangi        hehe
01:34 eythian      you made it subjective! shame on you!
01:34 rangi        now covers all cases
01:33 * eythian    tends to tidy a block before he starts working on it, it reduces chances of making mistakes due to bad indenting.
01:33 rangi        i fixed it
01:33 eythian      it's also objective. It says so.
01:33 * jcamins    agrees with you, of course.
01:32 eythian      jcamins: naw, it's all true
01:32 jcamins      eythian: that might cause a bit of debate.
01:32 eythian      probably not really
01:32 wizzyrea     is that doc still relevant?
01:32 wizzyrea     well and I knew that there were coding guidelines
01:31 eythian      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Vim <-- at least, a start
01:31 mtj          oops, using perltidy removes whitespace errors too
01:31 wizzyrea     right sorry
01:31 wizzyrea     oh
01:31 eythian      wizzyrea: already done
01:31 wizzyrea     that way we can point people to it
01:31 wizzyrea     mtj: if you write a wiki page of recommendations, that might help
01:30 mtj          using perltidy always removes stupid whitespace junk, from files too
01:29 mtj          people just need to learn how to get perltidy to clean selected-blocks, on their editor
01:29 eythian      also, to do everything you'd have to have a commit freeze, or everyone would have a billion conflicts.
01:28 * rangi      too
01:28 mtj          yeah, i agree on that 'safe' option
01:27 eythian      using the vim bindings, it's pretty quick and easy.
01:27 eythian      I think that just tidying a block as you work on it is best, avoids messing up git history everywhere.
01:26 mtj          ... now we get to discuss who/when/why old code gets tidyfied
01:23 eythian      and actually is relevant to perl, that's a definite thing going for it, too.
01:23 mtj          yep
01:23 mtj          yeah.. ill take that as a win, too ;)
01:22 eythian      ah
01:22 eythian      that's the default for perltidy with no options?
01:22 mtj          aka perltidy -nopro
01:22 eythian      mostly because it's very similar.
01:22 eythian      oh good, second best to pbp imo.
01:22 mtj          larry-wall style
01:22 mtj          i thought stupidity might win, for a bit there... but no :)
01:21 eythian      what was it in the end?
01:21 mtj          hey, i'm very happy we managed to get a perltidy style accepted
01:14 wizzyrea     swapping out the bugzilla default asignees
01:12 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6974] MARC21 Leader plugin no longer auto-fills the 000 field <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6974>
01:12 jcamins      What?
01:10 wizzyrea     in re: to the meeting this morning
01:10 wizzyrea     uh, for the record: i'm totally cool shepherding circulation
01:10 jcamins      As for why you don't have the author appearing after importing records, are you sure your old system is exporting real MARC?
01:09 novice       Great, thanks for the info.
01:09 jcamins      That is correct.
01:09 novice       Ok thanks, so you are saying that the best practice is not to have the Author field mandatory?
01:08 jcamins      Or a work with no author at all.
01:08 jcamins      In fact, if you made the author mandatory, it would cause you very big problems as soon as you had a work with a corporate author.
01:07 wizzyrea     you type too fast. :)
01:07 wizzyrea     ^^
01:07 jcamins      novice: I think you have a different problem, because whether or not a field is mandatory has nothing to do with it being imported.
01:06 novice       Hello everyone, I have a question about MARC record import, the Author's name is not a mandatory field and therefore when a MARC record is imported into the library, the author's name does not come across (even when typed in). How can I make it mandatory?
00:17 wizzyrea     I know it wasn't the only touchscreen smart phone
00:17 mtj          i wasted a decade using MS crapware, that sometimes worked
00:17 wizzyrea     the rest -- you wouldn't want to use it
00:17 wizzyrea     naw, it was the only one that worked properly
00:16 eythian      wizzyrea: the iphone was never the only touchscreen phone, their marketing just made you think that
00:16 wizzyrea     *nod*
00:16 mtj          yeah, apples stuff mostly 'just worked'
00:15 wizzyrea     ^^ this, yes
00:15 ibeardslee   wizzyrea: I think mainly because of the "see it can be done"
00:15 Judit        yeah he changed the world
00:14 wizzyrea     though I never had an iPad
00:14 wizzyrea     same with my android tablet
00:14 wizzyrea     so for that I am grateful.
00:14 wizzyrea     i know that my android phone would not be what it is without the influence of the iphone
00:14 ibeardslee   same here
00:14 wizzyrea     when iphone was the only touchscreen smartphone, I had one - it was revolutionary.
00:13 wizzyrea     ya
00:13 rangi        *nod*
00:13 ibeardslee   yup
00:13 Judit        he was a kinda asshole, but he was a genius
00:12 rangi        aka #trollytrolltrolltrollers
00:12 rangi        nope
00:12 ibeardslee   rangi: doesn't follow #catalyst does he?
00:11 rangi        wow
00:09 wizzyrea     today
00:09 wizzyrea     just happened
00:09 wizzyrea     no maam
00:07 Judit        is this an old news?
00:07 Judit        http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/
00:06 wahanui      hi, Judit
00:06 Judit        hi
00:03 wizzyrea     ya
00:02 mtj          bah,  iSteve has died ?!?