Time Nick Message 23:58 wizzyrea wonder if they would... 23:58 wizzyrea hmm 23:58 jcamins Bibliocommons. 23:57 wizzyrea iluinar? 23:57 wizzyrea who 23:57 jcamins Wish they'd share their solr configuration. 23:54 wizzyrea keke 23:53 jcamins Yep. 23:53 jcamins Scroll just right and you can make the buttons at the top flicker in a seizure-inducing fashion. 23:53 wizzyrea oh are you looking at iluminar? 23:53 jcamins Ooh, love the fading! 23:52 jcamins Hey... I've seen these icons before. 23:52 wizzyrea and while it crashes your computer with poorly programmed flash 23:52 wizzyrea yes 23:52 jcamins Wait while it loads? 23:51 wizzyrea it's abysmal 23:51 wizzyrea we can learn how NOT to do it by looking at autographics' illuminar 23:51 wizzyrea yeap 23:50 jcamins But boy does it make a difference. 23:50 wizzyrea ya 23:50 jcamins Other than the social stuff, a lot of the formatting could be done with CSS. 23:49 wizzyrea mhm 23:49 jcamins NYPL just adopted Bibliocommons. 23:49 jcamins We sure do. 23:48 wizzyrea we really need to work on our opac 23:48 wizzyrea it is 23:48 jcamins From a user's point of view. 23:48 jcamins It looks surprisingly nice. 23:47 wizzyrea and I know someone who works there 23:47 wizzyrea a library in our system (not a nexpress library) uses it 23:47 wizzyrea e 23:47 wizzyrea i hav 23:41 jcamins Don't everyone answer at once. 23:36 jcamins Has anyone ever heard of BiblioCommons before? 22:56 eythian ah yep 22:56 jcamins Also, my EC2 server's running Lucid at the moment, so Puppet needs to handle it. 22:52 eythian ah, a good plan then :) 22:49 jcamins If it works on Lucid, which requires a list of special cases as long as my arm, that means that I'm starting to understand what I'm doing. ;) 22:48 eythian terrible! I mean, great! :) 22:48 jcamins On Lucid, no less! 22:48 rangi schweet 22:48 eythian awesomecross :) 22:48 jcamins eythian: I got Puppet to install Koha. :D 22:30 rangi :) 22:29 eythian I didn't see mtj spill anything either 22:28 wizzyrea can't be counted on. 22:28 wizzyrea but your barmates... 22:28 wizzyrea just sayin... YOU might not spill the beer 22:28 eythian It would be, yeah 22:27 jcamins That seems like a shameful waste. 22:27 eythian Only heathens spill beer 22:27 eythian I tend not to spill beer. 22:27 rangi hehe 22:25 wizzyrea works on vomit :P 22:25 wizzyrea you could put your transformer in a ziploc bag, that way drunken fllailing is guaranteed not to spill beer on it 22:25 * jcamins has all his meetings with wine, but the idea is the same. ;) 22:24 * jcamins agrees. 22:24 wizzyrea I suppose you're right 22:24 eythian with a pint is really the only way to do meetings :) 22:24 rangi :) 22:23 wizzyrea that would have been amusing 22:22 eythian well had I remembered I could have just IRCed from there. 22:22 wizzyrea keke 22:22 rangi he made it back for the last half of the meeting at least :) 22:22 rangi hehe 22:21 eythian he's one to talk :) 22:21 rangi chris_n2 ;) 22:21 rangi eythian: mtj told us of your drunken escapades 22:18 chris_n2 my particular form of insanity has struck again ;-) 22:17 chris_n2 rangi: I'll fix it in the morning; dmake is happy again 22:13 eythian yeah, I clean forgot about that too 22:09 Irma sorry I missed the Koha meeting yesterday 22:09 Irma G'day rangi 22:09 rangi git mv oughta fix that chris_n2 :) 22:08 rangi hi Irma 22:05 chris_n2 based on the naming pattern I think it should be 'archivalDVD.gif' 22:04 chris_n2 actually, that looks to be a typo 22:03 eythian chris_n2: spaces in filenames are fine, but they somtimes require special handling and are often best avoided. 22:03 chris_n2 if there are no objections, I'll send along a patch to replace the space with an underscore 22:03 chris_n2 and it sends dmake (win32) into a tail spin 22:03 chris_n2 archival lDVD.gif 22:02 chris_n2 but here is one: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/img/itemtypeimg/Seshat;h=429d7cd836fe78135b1ad9a196fdd2a8fc380850;hb=HEAD 22:02 * chris_n2 did not think that spaces in file names were legal 22:00 eythian ah right 22:00 jcamins Wait, idzebra is not in lucid. It's in maverick. 21:59 jcamins Errr... 21:59 eythian yeah, but what version? 21:59 eythian not sure exactly 21:59 jcamins eythian: ah. idzebra is in Lucid. 21:59 eythian jcamins: idzebra, or something like that 21:58 jcamins Which package was it required for? 21:58 chris_n2 naughty space in a filename 21:57 jcamins Cool. I'll move that to the Ubuntu Lucid-only section of my Puppet config. 21:57 rangi heh 21:56 eythian rangi: heliosphere 21:56 jcamins Ah. 21:56 rangi it might be in the multiverse or cosmos or whatever the hell they call it 21:56 eythian debian had an out of date one, but just before release they updated it. 21:56 jcamins_away rangi: never mind, eythian answered. 21:56 rangi yeah maybe only lucid 21:56 eythian heh was just answering that 21:56 eythian jcamins_away: I'm not sure about Lucid, but in Debian it's not necessary 21:56 jcamins_away rangi: in what cases does one need to add the IndexData apt repository for installing Koha from packages? 21:55 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 21:55 eythian @later tell nengard your computer's clock is about 3 days out of date, just fyi 21:55 talljoy lol 21:55 talljoy i'll probably need it. 21:54 rangi good luck 21:51 talljoy thanks 21:51 talljoy ok. will try that. 21:50 rangi should help you find it in the db 21:50 rangi then you should get a line in the error log with the title in it 21:50 rangi f ($titletype eq 'a') { 21:50 rangi just before the 21:50 rangi warn "title of dodgy record is $title"; 21:49 rangi do a 21:49 rangi line 1219 21:49 rangi its a record that doesnt have an 008 21:49 rangi $pubyear = substr $record->field('008')->data(), 7, 4; 21:48 talljoy yes 21:48 rangi this is master right? 21:48 rangi 2 secs ill do a snippet of code for ya 21:48 rangi or better 21:48 rangi before line 1220 21:47 rangi C4/Biblio.pm 21:47 rangi is put a warn in 21:47 talljoy all ears, here. 21:47 rangi what id do 21:47 talljoy that's the 6 million dollar question 21:47 talljoy lol 21:47 talljoy which is? 21:47 rangi yeah so its the next one in the set :) 21:46 talljoy http://pastebin.com/8bt2kkd7 21:46 talljoy and it returns a number of marc records and then after the last one pfffft. quits 21:46 talljoy was running this command from the commandline... perl $PERL5LIB/opac/opac-search.pl q='french' 21:45 talljoy how can i see what is being returned if i only get an error in the opac? 21:44 rangi oen with a zillion items 21:44 rangi or it could be a really long record 21:44 rangi one in the first 20 returned 21:44 talljoy only takes one, i suppose. 21:44 talljoy they have pretty straightforward callnumbers, don't know if that's it 21:42 jcamins_away I have no idea why that's an issue, maybe sekjal can explain, but that screws things up majorly. 21:41 jcamins_away Yeah. 21:41 jcamins_away (if you have a limited number of possibilities it could be. 21:41 talljoy in the callnumber? 21:41 jcamins_away talljoy: look for a record with UTF-8 in the call number. 21:41 * rangi too 21:41 * talljoy wishes marc really was dead. 21:41 rangi a bad marcxml 21:40 talljoy thought so. any ideas on how to track it down? 21:40 rangi usually 21:40 rangi yup 21:40 talljoy is that referring to some bad marc? 21:40 talljoy i am getting a "software error" when running a keyword search from the opac. Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /home/load11/kohaclone/C4/Biblio.pm line 1220. 21:40 rangi sup talljoy ? 21:40 talljoy hi all! 21:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6977 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Support for repeated subfields when importing an authority into a biblio record field. 21:28 jcamins_away bug 6977 21:13 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6979] LDAP authentication fails during password comparison <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6979> 20:38 chris_n2 its amazing where emoticons pop up 20:38 rangi heh true 20:37 chris_n2 heh 20:37 chris_n2 we probably should remove H::T::P as a dependency in 3.6 20:35 rangi lets just reinvent everything, including the terms 20:35 rangi what is wrong with those kuali people 20:34 rangi community source? 20:34 rangi y 20:34 rangi seriousl 20:34 rangi hmm thursday alreday 20:27 cait bye magnus_away :) 20:27 * magnuse calls it a day 20:26 magnuse hiya Tyree! 20:26 Tyree ah good to know...... 20:25 cait hint: you can bribe rangi with chocolate and cookies 20:25 cait hi Tyree :) 20:23 Tyree Hi ya! 20:23 rangi just showing her round 20:22 paul_p_ thanks ! 20:22 rangi paul_p_: fixed 20:22 rangi Tyree has just started at catalyst, she is gonna be bossing me and robin around 20:21 rangi doh, i cant believe i typoed that 20:18 paul_p_ rangi, my name is Poulain, not poulan (cf the news on k-c.org) + we usually spell BibLibre (not Biblibre) 20:15 rangi :) 20:14 magnuse blocking cookies? 20:11 * oleonard quits before he gets into any more trouble 20:11 magnuse lol 20:10 rangi heh 20:10 * oleonard sends an in-depth, well-argued, meticulously-documented answer 20:10 rangi heh oleonard did :) 20:09 rangi email about 3.8 away 20:09 rangi im not touching that best ils email :) 20:07 chris_n k, time to head home 20:06 rangi random message to the mailing list 20:06 rangi incoming 20:06 * cait should have known that 20:06 rangi sweet 20:06 * chris_n posted the new channel info to the list 20:05 rangi looks like cookies was the way to get ppl to talk on the mailing list ;) 20:05 rangi heh 20:05 * chris_n gets a kick out of huginn's news announcement: "New commit(s) kohanews:" 20:04 magnuse yay! 20:04 rangi done 20:04 * rangi fixes 20:04 * rangi makes stuff up 20:04 rangi we do that 20:04 rangi thats nz english 20:03 cait finally :) 20:03 cait oh cookies on themailing list 20:03 magnuse rangi: this is nitpicking, but there seems to be two spaces here: "ownership of**a section" 20:03 rangi ill email the list too now 20:03 magnuse moahahah 20:03 rangi let the tweeting commence 20:03 cait why did noone stop me? :) 20:03 magnuse hehe 20:03 rangi lol busy cait 20:03 * cait feels like it finally sinks in 20:02 cait I actually volunteered to have 2 roles 20:02 cait ok 20:02 rangi hows that now? 20:02 rangi :) 20:02 magnuse many eyeballs etc ;-) 20:01 cait comma after druart 20:01 magnuse in the last sentence 20:01 rangi ta 20:01 magnuse ownership of [a] section 20:01 chris_n did someone say the word 'volunteer'? 20:01 cait rangi++ 20:01 rangi yeah ill update it to say that 20:00 magnuse hehe 20:00 rangi :) 20:00 rangi sshhh 20:00 magnuse i think chris_n only volunteered if no one else volunteers before 3.6 is released? 20:00 * rangi fixes 20:00 rangi i fail 20:00 rangi ohh bad grammar in first sentence 19:59 rangi http://koha-community.org/koha-3-8-0-release-team-elected/ 19:59 rangi proof read please 19:55 rangi awesome! 19:55 maximep rangi: thanks =). Yeah and we have a few more patches coming up soon! 19:52 rangi i agree magnuse 19:51 magnuse hoiw does that saying go? "be lenient in what data you consume and strict in what data you produce" or something? the norwegian national library is harvesting records and being very picky about what data should go where... they ought to be able to transform it themselves, i think 19:50 f18 the old ISIS system is dumb, because there was only the simplest way of book management and nothing more 19:48 f18 slef: thank you for your answer and sorry for my late response. But the records have the 952 tag, because I created it manually. 19:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6978] Notify the user on his account page when it is almost expired. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6978> 19:44 magnuse yay! 19:41 * rangi will write a blog post on koha-community and email links to it 19:40 magnuse moahaha 19:40 rangi dangit 19:40 * rangi realises that by asking he probably just volunteered 19:40 rangi so who is gonna write up the election results? 19:39 rangi some good stuff coming from libéo 19:39 magnuse and just the one who asked is benefiting from the answer 19:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6978 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Notify the user on his account page when it is almost expired. 19:38 rangi oh i like bug 6978 19:38 magnuse yeah, that's a bit of a shame 19:38 rangi so its less obvious that people are getting answers 19:38 rangi see thats the problem too, ppl answer offlist 19:38 oleonard magnuse: I just got onto the fulfillment-general list and it doesn't look like there's been any posts since Nov. 2010 19:37 magnuse got a direct one from texas too! 19:37 magnuse yay 19:35 rangi woo darla answered go alaska! 19:33 * magnuse hates grammar, loves english... ;-) 19:32 * magnuse 's eyes glaze over... 19:31 oleonard English suffers from the lack of a second person plural pronoun 19:31 rangi heh 19:30 magnuse or did you mean daft? ;-) 19:30 magnuse oleonard: how was that deft? 19:30 magnuse i have tried to join the mailinglist several times, but i never get the promised confirmation message 19:29 rangi heh 19:27 * oleonard applaud's magnuse's deft use of "y'all" in his list message 19:25 * oleonard wonders why the mailing list archive is private 19:25 * oleonard was just asked about that yesterday 19:23 magnuse someone might want to update http://fulfillment-ill.org/ a little - "When completed in about two years" - just sayin' ;-) 19:22 magnuse gmcharlt++ 19:21 chris_n huginn++ 19:21 chris_n nice 19:21 rangi cool 19:21 rangi hmm will someone answer magnuse I wonder ;) 19:21 gmcharlt ok, it should now be set up to announce website posts in #koha-news on FreeNode 19:20 magnuse yay 19:20 chris_n very 19:20 rangi cool :) 19:19 huginn gmcharlt: community.org/koha-3-4-2/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 6: June 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-6-june-2011/> 19:19 gmcharlt @more 19:19 huginn gmcharlt: Dates for 3.6.0 <http://koha-community.org/key-dates-3-6-0/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 7: July 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-7-july-2011/> / Koha 3.4.3 is now available <http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-3/> / KohaCon11 – programme ideas wanted <http://koha-community.org/kohacon11-programme-ideas-wanted/> / Koha 3.4.2 is now available <http://koha- (1 more message) 19:19 gmcharlt @more 19:19 huginn gmcharlt: Koha 3.4.5 is now available <http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-5/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 9: September 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-9-september-2011/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 8: August 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-8-august-2011/> / Koha 3.4.4 is now available <http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-4/> / Key (2 more messages) 19:19 gmcharlt @kohanews 19:17 ropuch There was third option to uploading file in pootle (beside Merge & add conflict as suggestions and Add all new traslation aas suggestion), right? 19:17 cait hi chris_n :) 19:14 * chris_n greets cait 19:04 cait :) 19:04 magnus_afk guten abend cait 19:04 rangi hi cait 19:03 cait hi all :) 19:02 * magnus_afk saw someone mentioning it in the scrollback... 18:58 rangi I was just trying to remember the name of it last night! 18:58 rangi how did the halva discussion come up? 18:54 * magnus_afk has 2 kinds of halva in his fridge 18:52 rangi hopefully im wrong 18:52 rangi I suspect not 18:52 rangi would have to look at the code 18:52 rangi right I guess we could page through them all? 18:52 oleonard I guess the question is whether you can pass a limit to the search and get only page two of the results 18:51 oleonard warn $numresults; -> 759 18:51 oleonard Well the z39.50 search definitely returns more than 20 results 18:42 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6975] OPACBaseURL called as OPACBaseurl in many templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6975> 18:38 slef bbl 18:38 slef f18: if not, use something to edit the file to map whatever you do have (852 most often; sometimes 942 or 999) to 952. 18:38 slef f18: check if your ISIS export has any 952 tags. 9xx fields are local use, layout specific to Koha. 18:32 rangi i know it probaby returns more results than it shows 18:32 rangi im not sure 18:31 oleonard Is it true that there *are* additional pages of search results? 18:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5044 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , should be able to page through z39.50 search results 18:31 oleonard Bug 5044 18:25 chris_n wajasu: the topic for that channel does that 18:19 f18 *too 18:19 f18 hi everyone! I'd like to import MARC21 records from an old ISIS-system and succeed, but I cannot find my records afterwards in the search/catalogue. I guess there is a problem with the 952 tag (LOCATION AND ITEM INFORMATION), because after the import I can "open" the record and view the tags (under the button "import this batch into the catalog") ... but 952 is missing? if my question is to weired, please tell me. 18:16 slef http://skoulikas.com/sesame.htm is the better one 18:14 sekjal jcamins_away: 6977 looks up your alley 18:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6977] Support for repeated subfields when importing an authority into a biblio record field. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6977> 18:08 slef Halva is nice, prefer to avoid the stuff from occupied territories that is on sale in the UK. 17:34 rhcl time to get back to MLA 17:33 * jcamins_away leaves for real this time. 17:33 jcamins_away Mostly very tasty. 17:33 jcamins_away There are tons of varieties, though. 17:33 jcamins_away (I can't find pictures of the latter two) 17:33 jcamins_away The balls with sesame seeds on them. 17:33 jcamins_away Semolina halva. 17:30 jcamins_away Tahini halva with pistachio. 17:30 jcamins_away (there are some pictures) 17:29 jcamins_away http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halva 17:29 rhcl here we go 17:29 jcamins_away The traditional varieties are... 17:29 rhcl see, what'd I tell ya? 17:28 jcamins_away Actually, that's just the Arabic word for candy. 17:28 jcamins_away Mmmm. Halwa. 17:28 rhcl Wolfram Alpha tells me EggD is 9�F below the optimal temperature for eating halavah. And jcamins is the Wolfram Alpha of food who can tell us what the heck halavah is. Firefox needs a jcamins search engine plugin. 17:24 huginn slef: The current temperature in Bicester, United Kingdom is 18.0�C (6:05 PM BST on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Falling). 17:24 slef @wunder EgBT 17:24 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found. 17:24 slef @wunder EgBV 17:23 huginn slef: The current temperature in Edinburgh Airport, United Kingdom is 15.0�C (5:50 PM BST on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). 17:23 slef @wunder EgPH 17:21 huginn slef: The current temperature in Bristol Airport, United Kingdom is 16.0�C (5:50 PM BST on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 17:21 slef @wunder EggD 17:20 huginn collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 22.8�C (1:18 PM EDT on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1025.6 hPa (Rising). 17:20 collum @wunder 41017 17:19 slef I actually think this is worse than facebook. At least people sign up for facebook, even if they have trouble resigning from it. 17:18 slef evil buggers creating pseuds for people without asking, trying to track us. 17:18 slef I get ranty about that. Freedom of association is a human right, including freedom not to associate. 17:14 slef I remember https://launchpad.net/~slef https://launchpad.net/~mjr and I think there are other accounts for me there, only one of which admits it's an autocreate. I don't remember what it does if you contact me through launchpad on any of them. 17:12 magnuse slef: noted 17:12 oleonard slef: sysprefs.sql sets the default minimum password length to 3 17:12 slef launchpad is bad because it creates accounts for developers without their consent, without telling them, without any way to opt out. 17:11 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 17:11 magnuse @later tell jcamins https://launchpad.net/~koha 17:11 slef boo launchpad 17:11 magnuse jcamins_away: here: https://launchpad.net/~koha PPAs for Stable and Development 17:10 slef yeah, but by default 17:10 oleonard the length of the suggested password is defined by your minimum password length system pref 17:10 slef oleonard: aren't they only 4-chars? 17:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5280 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Fix password field in members.pl so that the password is masked as it is entered 17:07 * oleonard is considering doing away with it in conjunction with changes related to Bug 5280 17:02 oleonard does anyone actually use the randomly generated password suggestions when updating a password? 17:01 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 17:01 jcamins @later tell eythian Is there any instance in which it is necessary to add the IndexData apt repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, or is that just stale information at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages? 17:01 magnuse i'm trying to find the link i'm thinking of... 17:01 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages 17:00 magnuse which instructions? 17:00 jcamins magnuse: yeah, but the instructions for installing the packages on Lucid say to add the apt line. 16:59 jcamins Hm. idzebra is on Lucid, too. 16:59 magnuse rangi has some packages for ubuntu... 16:58 jcamins Must just be on Lucid? 16:58 jcamins magnuse: oh... 16:57 magnuse jcamins: i don't think you have to worry about indexdata when you install from packages? 16:55 jcamins Well, it doesn't hurt anything to have that apt line in there, anyway. 16:54 jcamins Or just older versions? 16:54 jcamins Do you have to do that for all versions of Debian and Ubuntu? 16:53 wizzyrea prominent 16:53 wizzyrea you can make that online access link more prominint 16:53 wizzyrea and especially since we can now modify the css for xslt in opacusercss 16:53 jcamins Wait... when do you need to add the IndexData apt line? 16:52 wizzyrea you download it :P 16:52 wizzyrea there is a copy available for reference 16:52 wizzyrea yea i'm not sure how to deal with that exactly -- technically that's correct 16:52 magnuse yup, i know ;-) 16:52 oleonard Of course paul_p_ has been with us longer than Biblibre has existed 16:51 wizzyrea later paul_p 16:51 magnuse but happy birthday biblibre, anyway! and wow, that means biblibre was just 1 year old when i started to get involved with koha 16:51 paul_p_ so, good bye everybody & see you tomorrow ! 16:50 nengard_lunch maybe we need the authorized value to show on the results instead of the string 'reference' 16:50 paul_p_ magnuse, lol 16:50 magnuse paul_p_: probably a mixed blessing kind of a gift ;-) 16:50 nengard_lunch that's what she meant 16:50 nengard_lunch yup 16:50 nengard_lunch Copies available for reference: NEKLS HQ [eBook] (1). 16:50 wizzyrea copies available for reference 16:50 wizzyrea ah yea the same 16:50 oleonard http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=jane+eyre+gutenberg&limit= 16:50 nengard_lunch wizzyrea what does it say on the search reuslts 16:50 wizzyrea of download 16:49 wizzyrea yea, it's a not for loan value 16:49 magnuse jcamins: ah sorry, i was connecting your utterances the wrong way... congrats! 16:49 paul_p_ thx jcamins to remind me that it's BibLibre 4th birthday those days. Should I consider having been choosen as next RM as a birthday gift ? (Is it a gift at all in fact ?) 16:49 wizzyrea let me see how she did that 16:49 wizzyrea status "download: 16:48 jcamins magnuse: no, I got it working. :) 16:48 wizzyrea for example 16:48 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=464981 16:48 paul_p_ time to leave... bye & see you tomorrow (my) morning ! 16:48 magnuse jcamins: you'll get it right next time! 16:48 wizzyrea it's not reference, it's electronic 16:47 wizzyrea so you have a dummy item 16:47 jcamins rhcl: not nearly. 16:47 jcamins It has not. Not that this would have been wasted effort, anyway. Understanding what I'm doing is always a good thing. 16:47 * wizzyrea checks 16:47 wizzyrea or something 16:47 wizzyrea of "electronic" 16:47 wizzyrea nengard: i think NEKLS solved that with a new authorized value 16:45 magnuse i'm having trouble importing patrons - does anyone know off hand if Tools > Import Patrons handles windows line endings properly or not? 16:45 * jcamins checks the Ubuntu website, more-than-half-expecting to find that that Lucid has been replaced as the LTS. 16:44 rhcl jcamins is a puppet master then? 16:43 magnuse yay! 16:43 jcamins Woohoo! I think I just got Puppet to install Koha on Ubuntu Lucid from the packages! 16:41 magnuse and free software has some benefits that are far from philosophical 16:41 magnuse hehe 16:40 slef if you don't believe in sharing information on a philosophical level, why become a librarian? 16:39 slef worth stealing the quote rhcl mentined but bleah at the one magnuse gave 16:29 oleonard It could have easily been "Evaluating software" and talked about the factors which should be considered when evaluating proprietary *and* open source software. 16:27 oleonard Not much to that article. 16:26 magnuse "I�m still a big believer in open source software, but I don�t want to see libraries choosing software solely for philosophical reasons." 16:25 magnuse yay, thanks! 16:24 nengard Farkas, Meredith. ?Open Source, Open Mind.? American Libraries. Technology in Practice (September 27, 2011). http://americanlibrariesmagazine.org/columns/practice/open-source-open-mind. 16:24 rhcl magnuse: don't know, let me see if they have a link. 16:24 rhcl Quote: "Some open source projects, like Koha, have a strong community of open source developers who are improving the code..." 16:23 magnuse is it online? 16:23 rhcl Interesting article by Meredith Farkas in the Sept/Oct issue of American Libraries--ostensibly advocating OSS and mentioning Koha, but then quasi-promoting proprietary software "if it's better" 16:16 oleonard I'm not sure how you define the conditions under which the availability doesn't show 16:15 nengard right they don't want it to say 'reference' 16:14 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&idx=kw&idx=kw&limit=mc-ccode%3ADNLD&sort_by=relevance&do=Search 16:13 oleonard nengard: In the XSL view we get a "connect to title online" link, but we also have a "copies available for reference" line because we have a dummy item attached 16:12 oleonard that's an issue we face as well 16:12 jcamins Ah. 16:11 nengard the user has ebooks listed as 'not for loan' and so they say copies available for reference - i thought there was something about not showing 'no items available' and showing the link fro the 856 (I know that's a bit different but it was related) 16:10 nengard sorry - distracted 16:07 jcamins nengard: what are you trying to do? 16:06 nengard not sure ? 16:06 jcamins Ooh, IndexData's gpg key is about to expire. 16:02 jcamins nengard: you mean AlternateHoldings? 16:01 nengard hello all, i'm vaguely remembering a bug report (enhancement) about the availablilty note on the search results for online materials ? does anyone know the bug number on this? 15:58 reiveune bye 15:56 magnuse i'll write an intro to the mail list or the newsletter when i get the time... 15:55 slef magnuse: interesting. Thanks. I'll mention it sometime. 15:54 oakivil thanks yous 15:54 oakivil ok 15:53 jcamins oakivil: MARC authority records. 15:53 oakivil What kind of data* 15:53 oakivil What kind of daat does the bulkauthimport.pl eat? 15:53 oakivil Hello #Koha 15:52 * slef fires up the fish 15:52 magnuse http://www.bibliotekforum.no/article.php?id=2654 an article from one of the online library journals 15:50 magnuse not much there yet 15:50 magnuse donum.no 15:50 magnuse well, almost... 15:50 slef got link? 15:50 slef no, missed that while I was off ill! 15:49 magnuse did you hear norway got it's koha/free software for libraries organization about a week ago, and it's a co-op? 15:48 slef I think it's something like 10% of our resources went on that last year... in Italy, there's a legal requirement for co-ops to help co-ops but it's only 3% I think. 15:47 slef I think that's what it's for, anyway. Someone says to us "help co-ops?" and we often say "yes." 15:46 slef all the main political parties here say they love co-ops, including the coalition partners, but we've seen little support yet 15:46 magnuse ah 15:46 slef some co-op political promo I think 15:45 magnuse and what's the publication? 15:45 slef touch-typing doesn't mean I can spell. 15:45 magnuse hehe 15:45 slef the 15:45 slef (they letters are half-worn away) 15:45 slef heh, if you zoom in on the bamboo keyboard you can tell I touch type! ;-) 15:44 slef laptop keyboard is unavoidable, phone keyboard is for texting, bamboo keyboard is for when I'm only typing, cykey is for when I'm editing 15:43 magnuse ah, that should be ok then ;-) 15:42 slef magnuse: you can't see the fourth one because I'm in the way 15:42 magnuse btw: sure you have enough keyboards around? 15:42 slef photosharing websites defeat me 15:42 magnuse hehe 15:42 slef bleah 15:42 slef oh that's no better 15:41 slef oh and the i. 15:41 slef 3mb download oops. Delete the .jpg for a preview I think 15:40 magnuse slef: yay! 15:36 slef [off] http://i.imgur.com/uhVQz.jpg publicity shot of me for new publication 15:26 wizzyrea sorry :( 15:26 magnus_afk can't catch 'em all... 15:26 sekjal let this be a lesson: this is what happens when you rush testing 15:25 sekjal yeah, I should have done a better job QAing that 15:25 oleonard ...the patch of unintended consequences... 15:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data 15:19 wizzyrea bug 6576 15:18 sekjal I'm asking the original developer of bugfix 6576 15:17 * oleonard has no idea 15:15 sekjal not sure what the side effects are, though 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6974 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 Leader plugin no longer auto-fills the 000 field 15:15 sekjal oleonard: commenting out line 1041 of cataloguing/addbiblio.pl seems to fix bug 6974 15:10 magnus_afk yay! 15:09 paul_p_ french 100% done ! 15:09 paul_p_ strike : http://translate.koha-community.org/fr/34/ thx fredericd for taking care of what was still pending !!! 15:08 sekjal paul_p_: yes, it's in the queue for QA 15:08 paul_p_ sekjal, have you seen my mail about "fines in days" patch waiting for QA ? PLEASE QA it ! 15:07 paul_p_ pfiou... 5PM here, and I haven't started what I wanted to do today (except irc meeting) 15:07 sekjal ugh, no, that default 000 value was in there the whole time; the patch only altered the way the params were called 15:07 jcamins I'm not sure why I didn't think of it immediately, but sometimes it takes a moment. 15:06 jcamins Yeah, after a moment I realized how to do it. :) 15:03 slef for completeness 15:03 slef jcamins: if ($moo =~ m/^${stem}/) { ... } 15:02 jcamins Actually, never mind. 15:01 jcamins Okay... anyone know how to check if a string *starts* with another string in Perl? 15:00 sekjal TransformHTMLtoMARC getting called too early, thus creating a value, thus preventing the JS from working as intended 14:59 sekjal now that TransformHTMLtoMARC creates a default 000, perhaps it's an order of operations issue 14:59 sekjal ...idea 14:54 oleonard after: 00848 a2200313 4500 14:54 oleonard before: 00848nam a2200313 4500 14:54 oleonard After saving the existing record, the 000 field is similar to but not exactly what it was before 14:54 oleonard I made a note of the value of 000 in the existing record, then copied the auto-filled spaces from the blank record into the existing one 14:53 oleonard sekjal: Here's a test I just did. I opened both an existing record and a blank record for editing 14:49 sekjal oleonard: yes 14:49 oleonard Ah, I see... if you clear the field and click back into it? 14:49 oleonard Overwrites the existing data? 14:48 sekjal I'm also finding that it auto-fills if I EDIT a record (just not if I create a new one) 14:48 * oleonard didn't think it did... will test again 14:44 sekjal oleonard: the 000 field does seem to correctly generate on save 14:38 jcamins wizzyrea: ewww. I'm sorry. 14:38 wizzyrea yes, yes I did. 14:38 jcamins wizzyrea: did you just try this? 14:38 oleonard Man, Jane's Addiction played a terrible set at vomitpalooza. 14:37 trea checking now ;) 14:37 trea that was my next step jcamins, before vomitpalooza 14:36 wizzyrea problem solved. 14:36 wizzyrea the good news: it still works inside a ziploc bag. 14:36 wizzyrea the bad news, the kid puked on the tablet 14:36 wizzyrea getting puke on your tablet won't kill it 14:36 wizzyrea the good news, for you parents with tablets 14:33 kf bye all :) 14:32 wajasu chris_n: maybe someone can set the topic on the freenode koha to point them to connect to the irc.oftc.net koha. 14:32 wizzyrea I think this has something to do with the layout or the template 14:28 jcamins trea: have you checked whether the behavior is the same on Master? 14:21 trea I've checked the callnumbers of both items in question, and they are exactly the same. So i'm inclined to believe it may have something to do with the template as you've suggested. 14:20 trea http://screencast.com/t/tjM7k74vaC0T 14:18 trea stand by 14:18 wizzyrea (how is it doing it wrong) 14:18 wizzyrea what's the question 14:17 wizzyrea as it's marked fixed 14:17 wizzyrea but that may not be your issue 14:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3120 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Dewey call numbers not splitting correctly on spine labels 14:17 wizzyrea bug 3120 14:16 wizzyrea the label template 14:15 trea k 14:15 wizzyrea that *might* have to do with the template 14:15 wizzyrea 1s 14:15 wizzyrea hmm, possibly 14:15 trea adding too many spaces or anything like that? 14:15 trea anyone seen a bug with the label creator not splitting callnumbers correctly? 14:13 * oleonard tested in IE8 14:12 sekjal works on Chromium 12, too 14:11 sekjal at least, on FF7 14:11 sekjal okay, it works 14:10 sekjal whoops 14:09 oleonard did you shift-reload to make sure your basket.js was updated? 14:09 sekjal oleonard: still cannot log out 14:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6974 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 Leader plugin no longer auto-fills the 000 field 14:07 * oleonard files Bug 6974 14:06 sekjal thanks, oleonard, was just reading 14:05 oleonard Try that sekjal 14:05 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6970] logout not redirecting to login page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6970> 13:51 clrh hello magnuse and all 13:45 trea magnuse, hi. o/ 13:45 magnuse hiya clrh and trea 13:39 sekjal yes, a logoutBasket function, the same but for those two lines, would be a way to solve it 13:36 * oleonard will tinker 13:36 oleonard It doesn't mean we couldn't have a different function tied to logout 13:36 oleonard Yeah, commenting out those lines breaks the "empty and close" option in the cart 13:33 sekjal oleonard: sure will 13:33 oleonard sekjal: Are you willing to look at our leader auto-fill problem? 13:33 sekjal my testing showed that commenting out the lines did allow logout, and anything in the Cart when I logged out was gone when I logged back in 13:32 sekjal yes, any testing you can do would be appreciated. Not being able to log out is... bad 13:32 oleonard That's off the top of my head, but I'd be happy to test if you'd like. 13:31 oleonard And the redirect to about:blank I thought might have been put there to ensure there was an http transaction to set the cookie? 13:30 oleonard the window.close() is used by the cart popup isn't it? 13:30 oleonard I don't think we can just remove those lines if that's what you mean 13:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , logout not redirecting to login page 13:29 sekjal oleonard: do you have any comments on bug 6970? 13:29 oleonard Soon we will control the horizontal and the vertical 13:29 kf cool :) 13:27 chris_n we also control #koha on freenode now as a backup in case anyone missed the earlier announcement 13:27 chris_n mtj++ 13:25 magnuse mtj++ 13:25 mtj if anyone wants admin access...? ping me ;) 13:25 mtj http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-f3047917.subapps.html 13:24 mtj ... and will hopefully sort an historic mail-import very soon :) 13:23 mtj http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/ 13:23 mtj fyi: we now have admin access again - on the nabble Koha lists 13:19 magnuse yay 13:15 slef magnuse: http://www.solfest.org.uk too it seems 13:14 slef http://facet.me.uk/?p=246 is my favourite recent one 13:13 magnuse "solfest"? that's norwegian! ;-) 13:12 slef http://facet.me.uk/ is his personal homepage. 13:11 magnuse ah ha! 13:11 slef he's based in Edinburgh, which was part of the reason for proposing that city 13:11 magnuse ah, cool 13:11 magnuse (oops, accept the proposal, i mean) 13:10 slef another member of the co-op 13:10 magnuse mle? 13:10 magnuse i'm ready to propose a talk when you are ready to accept it ;-) 13:10 slef I like that step because mle is in charge of it. The later ones will be more work for me ;) 13:09 magnuse sounds like a good plan! 13:09 slef sure... first choice will be to nail down a venue to some dates 13:07 magnuse hehe, you can do it! ;-) 13:07 slef magnuse: scary! 13:05 magnuse slef: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 is all yours now ;-) 13:00 slef thd: see http://search.cpan.org/~shancock/Perl-Tidy-20101217/bin/perltidy#Line_Break_Control 12:59 thd ? 12:59 thd slef: what I meant is how are forced line breaks in an overly long line treated in terms of indentation or lack thereof. 12:59 magnuse slef: i don't see any harm in that 12:58 slef Wasn't the aim to start the 2013 process soon after kohacon 2011 has closed? 12:58 thd manguse: more vigorous discussion on the mailing list. 12:58 wizzyrea aight -- time to get ready 4 work nd stuffs 12:57 thd manguse: more lead time. 12:57 slef thd: 80 char I think 12:57 magnuse any suggestions for better publicizing? 12:57 oleonard We didn't have the whole Asian continent spreading the word ;) 12:56 thd oleonard: The ballot was not as well publicised as in the past and attracted few votes. 12:56 oleonard June would be fantastic for me: summer vacation for the family, they can all come along. 12:56 magnuse is looking forward to meeting oleonard and lots of other people 12:56 * oleonard is sad to miss two in a row 12:56 * magnuse does a little happydance 12:56 oleonard Excellent. I'm definitely trying to make that one. 12:55 thd oleonard: Yes overwhelmingly in favour of slef. 12:55 oleonard Oh slef, did you get the official nod for KohaCon 2012? 12:54 thd slef: how does the perl style treat long line wrapping? 12:54 slef go watch whatever pages you like 12:54 slef wiki pages updated 12:47 * Brooke can no longer resist the siren call of the nap 12:46 magnuse slef++ 12:46 slef ok I'm linking the minutes 12:46 jcamins Brooke: ah. I thought it was at 5am EST for some reason. 12:45 Brooke and the bulk in like 2h. 12:45 Brooke 2.75 jcamins 12:45 mtj well done all, we got there in the end :) 12:45 jcamins Did the meeting really last 3:40, or did I have the start time confused? 12:44 magnuse hear hear 12:44 oleonard thanks to all who stayed up late or got up early for this monster meeting 12:43 magnuse yay - 2 and 3/4 hour! 12:43 slef thd: no comment ;-) 12:43 * thd is not sensibly awake now. 12:43 paul_p_ ok, have a good morning, good afternoon, good night, good TV, good lunch, good breakfast, good whatever ! 12:42 slef thd: indeed. hard to be sensibly awake 2-4 and then 8-22 12:42 paul_p_ ++ 12:42 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-10-05-10.00.log.html 12:42 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-10-05-10.00.txt 12:42 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-10-05-10.00.html 12:42 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 5 12:41:42 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 12:42 Brooke #endmeeting 12:42 Brooke #agreed next meeting 16 November 2 UTC 12:42 Brooke going gone 12:42 thd slef: The hours would not conflict but I assume that your sleep would. 12:42 Brooke going twice 12:42 Brooke going noce 12:42 mtj paul_p_: omg - i am happy to reach a decision on this topic, thats all :) 12:41 Brooke 16 November 2 UTC 12:41 Brooke barring objections 12:41 slef but don't let that stop you 12:41 slef yeah, I won't make that. Big co-op planning meeting at 11 UTC, probably including kohacon2012 12:40 thd +1 16th 12:40 mtj paul_p_: just joking - i dont mind at all :) 12:40 paul_p_ 16th++ for me (not 9th pls, i'll be jet lagged !) 12:39 paul_p_ slef, yes :((( 12:39 Brooke given the pattern should be 12:39 slef is this the 2am UTC one? 12:39 Brooke that way it's after KohaCon? 12:39 Brooke how about 16thish Nov? 12:38 Brooke #topic time and date of next meeting 12:38 slef naughty no-one, double-voting 12:38 slef I think standings are: no-style: no-one; perlstyle: paul_p_, ColinC, slef, mtj; pbp: (some 2nd prefs); gnu: (some 2nd prefs); koha: no-one; (any style: oleonard, kf, sekjal, wizzyrea, jwagner) 12:38 mtj and perl-style it is!!!!!! 12:38 paul_p_ mtj, why omg ? 12:38 Brooke #agreed perl-style 12:37 mtj making perl-style the winner oMg?!? 12:37 paul_p_ ok, so all of you vote for the option that has the most votes already ;-) 12:37 magnuse any style so long as it's consistent is fine by me too 12:37 Brooke so then perl style has the most support, yes? 12:37 jwagner I'll go with any style if consistent 12:37 mtj ok, can i change to be perl-style? :p 12:37 wizzyrea any-consistent-style++ 12:37 sekjal slef: yes, any style so long as it's consistent is fine by me 12:37 slef any more mistakes/omissions? 12:36 slef as is sekjal I think 12:36 kf yep 12:36 slef ok, so oleonard and kf are any-style 12:36 kf sorry for causing confusion 12:36 kf not no-style - I agree with any style as long it's consistent 12:36 slef kf: how? 12:36 kf slef: wrong 12:36 slef have I missed anyone? 12:36 Brooke if we come up with a survey for it 12:36 slef I think standings are: no-style: kf, jwagner; perlstyle: paul_p_, ColinC, slef; pbp: mtj (+some 2nd prefs); gnu: (some 2nd prefs); koha: no-one 12:36 kf but irc might not be the right place 12:36 Brooke ooh cool idea 12:36 mtj and the winner is.... ? 12:36 Brooke that's what we're trying to do kf 12:36 kf to vote? like for the conference? 12:35 kf ok, perhaps we have to have a vote about this? using a tool? 12:35 * kf is confused 12:35 thd However, I really do not mean no-style. I mean some other style. 12:35 mtj if not... could slef calculate the winner, please? 12:34 thd perl style second 12:34 thd no-style yet first 12:34 slef thd: that's another option that no-one has yet proposed. Anyone could have, but I assume it has no advocate. 12:34 mtj ok...... anyone else?? 12:33 thd Brooke: none of the above would be a style which we have not yet considered. Some modified koha style. 12:33 slef thd: none of the above would be effectively for current practice, which we have to conclude from mtj's great work on the examples is no-style. 12:33 oleonard sekjal's point 2 is important considering the trouble whitespace changes cause patch comprehension 12:33 kf sekjal++ 12:33 mtj slef: oops! :p 12:33 paul_p_ wizzyrea, lol, but so true !!! 12:33 thd Brooke: none of the above would not be no style. 12:33 sekjal I don't particular care what styling we use, so long as 1) it's consistent in each script (so incoming patches follow existing style), and 2) any style-only changes are independently submitted from functionality changes 12:33 slef heh, php 12:32 wizzyrea pick-and-dictate++ 12:32 mtj php, then perl-style for me 12:32 oleonard some-style++, no-style-- 12:32 Brooke thd a bunch have said no style 12:32 kf is my vote, don't know enough to compare, but I am all for consistency 12:32 kf not no-style ? 12:32 thd slef: I still think there is a none of the above missing. 12:32 paul_p_ perl-style++, then pbp 12:32 slef mtj: I'm taking this as an approval vote, seeing as no-one wants a preference vote. 12:32 Brooke he called for a preference 12:31 mtj slef: thats 2 votes love ;) 12:31 jwagner no-style++ 12:31 slef (if we're going to do it approvalwise) 12:31 mtj ah, and option number 5 is ... no style!!!!! 12:31 slef gnu++ 12:31 slef perl-style++ 12:31 wahanui okay, thd. 12:31 thd I am also concerned that indentation styles which do not collapse in vim lead to overly long lines which cannot always be broken across multiple lines. 12:31 ColinC perl-style++ 12:30 Brooke one for pbp if you've got a favourite style please mod it up so we can get out of here 12:30 mtj options are: pbp, perl-style, gnu/gcs, koha-style 12:30 paul_p_ slef++ for figuring out transition later 12:30 slef Figure out transition later. 12:30 kf don't have no decision 12:30 mtj pbp++ 12:30 paul_p_ well, not sure until we don't know the options ! 12:30 kf but make thing smoving 12:29 kf perhaps we should have a vote 12:29 slef I move we take a preference vote for a style now, Condorcet with IRV. 12:29 sekjal sorry, was afk 12:29 Brooke propose summat to vote on 12:29 jwagner what is the motion on the floor? 12:29 kf if we can't come to a decision here 12:29 mtj ... everyone ready to vote now? 12:29 ColinC thd++ 12:29 paul_p_ sekjal, anytihng to say ? 12:29 thd I am a great advocate for consistency, however, I am concerned that systematic use of tidy without any other reason to modify a file will complicate tracing code changes. 12:29 * Brooke is subtle like a brick. 12:28 Brooke decide. 12:28 Brooke HINT 12:28 Brooke it's almost over owen 12:28 * oleonard boggles at the long meeting 12:28 slef I'd also need to tell it a method: Condorcet with IRC, UK Usenet and Schulze seem the most likely, but it might have your favourite. 12:28 paul_p_ ColinC, not everybody uses vim or emacs, & we want to lower the barriers ! 12:27 slef Just a note: I have voteengine working here. I can evaluate a preference vote if you wish, but I'd need to give instructions on how to vote :) 12:26 ColinC paul_p you can filter lines via perltidy easy to do in vim and emacs 12:26 paul_p_ thd, I would say yes, (but don't ask why ;-) ) 12:26 thd paul_p: Does consistency of indentation matter outside an individual file? 12:26 paul_p_ (ie: everything is blamed to the perltidy patch) 12:25 Brooke not a bad idea once a decade... 12:25 paul_p_ ColinC, not history, but make git blame being confused. 12:25 paul_p_ thd, that's my question 12:25 ColinC reformatting the entire code base loses history 12:25 paul_p_ ColinC, how can you run on changed lines only ? 12:25 paul_p_ Brooke, there were no rule for 10 years, so jwagner is right to ask. But I think it's good to have consistency though. 12:25 thd paul_p_: Will we be systematically reformatting the entire code base? 12:25 wizzyrea (and does tidying 40 lines of thousands make it better or worse?) 12:24 ColinC no you can run it on your changed lines only 12:24 thd paul_p_: I agree that consistency is important. However, how much consistency is important relative to other things. 12:24 paul_p_ sekjal, OK. But if I submit a patch of, say 40 lines, how can I perltidy those 40 lines only ? Should I send a patch updating all the script ? 12:24 Brooke jwagner: it will be if we continue not to act 12:24 mtj surely no-one disagrees on this basic point?!? 12:23 ColinC we should give some doc on how to use the tool 12:23 Brooke cause he's more knowledgeable 12:23 Brooke or what mtj said 12:23 jwagner I'm not really understanding why it's a problem. Consistency would be nice, but it is a crisis? 12:23 Brooke how about we recommend that developers use perlstyle 12:23 mtj ok, a vote on whether to use an offical perltidy style , please? 12:23 paul_p_ Koha is hard enough to hack already !!! 12:23 paul_p_ thd, not sure I agree with this idea. That's important to have consistency over coding style ! 12:22 sekjal I'd prefer not to spend QA time reformatting style: it would be better if it were up to the individual developer to make any fixes necessary 12:22 slef get the documentation sorted, get most of us using it and then we can look at a requirement. Viva Do-ocracy! 12:22 thd paul_p: I remember a discussion at Koha-Con 2009 where gmcharlt seemed to wisely state something to the effect of not forcing people to use any one style of indentation etc. avoided unnecessary religious strife. Consistency within the file is more important. 12:22 Brooke aye naught wrong with a strong suggestion 12:22 slef Brooke: recommendation not requirement first I think. 12:21 jwagner mtj, but part of the policy has to be enforcement of some kind, doesn't it? 12:21 slef I'd vote: gnu > perlstyle > koha > no-style > pbp # though 12:21 Brooke we're trying to make it policy, yes? 12:21 mtj jwagner: lets cross that very distant bridge *after* we decide on an offiical style 12:21 ColinC I suggest we start first with a recommendation that people use it 12:21 slef Brooke: not policy though? 12:21 * paul_p_ think it's not a good idea in fact... 12:21 Brooke and I think it was in the way back, too 12:21 paul_p_ updating all scripts 12:21 Brooke it was over the mailing list slef 12:21 paul_p_ other option (dunno if it's a good one), have a big patch at the beginning of 3.8 12:20 slef I don't think transition has been discussed at all yet, has it? 12:20 ColinC I'd agree with slef I think use defaults is easier than suggesting people use exceptions 12:20 jwagner Or have the QA person change them? 12:20 jwagner Are you proposing to reject patches that aren't written to style? 12:19 slef perlstyle-style and pbp-style are so close in disruptiveness, I'd really prefer we pick the more FOSS perlstyle-style 12:19 paul_p_ thd, I would prefer to have a rule ! 12:19 slef thd: we could consider it but I wouldn't advocate it strongly. 12:18 thd slef: Is the actual practise of continuing to not have an official style an option we are considering? 12:18 slef jcamins: also we could probably put vim and emacs tags into the files to trigger smart editors to adapt 12:18 slef jcamins: will do if I'm correct ;-) 12:18 jcamins slef: that should be documented somewhere. 12:18 mtj magnuse: yes and yes 12:18 slef jcamins: run perltidy OPTIONS FILENAMES before commit. 12:17 * magnuse has been following koha rather closely for 3 odd years, and can't remember seeing anything about any explicit coding styles... 12:17 mtj ok, so shall we vote on this issue? 12:17 mtj slef, yep 'koha-style' perltidy is not really offiical, so not enforced 12:17 jcamins FWIW, I have no idea how one would go about using this. 12:16 slef for comparison, Circulation.pm is about 3000 lines 12:16 * wizzyrea suspects there was not enough suggesting that people should use it, lately 12:16 paul_p_ I think so 12:16 ColinC I think at present no style is in operation 12:15 slef mtj: but all are bigger than I thought, so probably no-one uses koha-style explicitly either 12:15 magnuse mtj++ 12:15 slef mtj++ 12:15 slef 12:15 slef 15 Circulation.pm.perlstyle-style | 2045 +++++++++++++++++++++++----------------- 12:15 slef 12:15 slef 14 Circulation.pm.pbp-style | 2037 +++++++++++++++++++++++----------------- 12:15 slef 12:15 slef 13 Circulation.pm.koha-style | 1673 +++++++++++++++++---------------- 12:15 slef 12:15 slef 12 Circulation.pm.gnu-style | 1730 +++++++++++++++++----------------- 12:15 mtj slef: so koha-style has the least change from current 12:14 paul_p_ slef, dunno, we don't have an explicit rule 12:14 slef pbp is not documented in FOSS anywhere as far as I can tell. 12:14 thd :) 12:14 mtj http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=koha-perltidy/.git;a=blob;f=0001-applied-various-perltidy-styles-to-Circ.pm.patch;h=d4d6ee5d575f289d1f279757007eb7b5c6f0ab10;hb=95002157c25c04e104631bfc127fcec56e825cf3 12:14 slef paul_p_: do biblibre still code to 178-char line length? 12:14 paul_p_ why "except pbp" ? 12:13 paul_p_ good point (except i'm not sur all the script already have "koha-style") 12:13 slef in which case we might as well pick anything except pbp. 12:13 slef but it may be that no-one was using the perltidyrc any more anyway, so that will also be a disruption 12:13 slef if we switch to another style, it may be a big disruption for little gain 12:12 slef the perltidyrc (koha-style in mtj's examples) was an attempt to standardise what was already happening 12:12 slef ok, let me explain my concern 12:12 paul_p_ kf, yep, that's what I meaned ;-) 12:12 Brooke believe perltidy is what's on the table, yes/ 12:12 thd mtj: I think that consistency within each file is sufficient. 12:12 ColinC Agreed 12:11 * magnuse agrees with kf 12:11 kf choose an existnig style, not create one 12:11 paul_p_ My 2nd concern being : don't spend time reinventing the wheel, spend time hacking 12:11 slef from near the start of the patch file 12:11 kf and easy to use 12:11 kf yep, important, document it, make it easy to find 12:11 slef paste those lines 12:11 slef filename | 4 ++-- 12:11 slef that will show lines like 12:11 kf :) 12:11 kf oh wow 12:10 thd kf++ 12:10 wizzyrea (and publish it somewhere) 12:10 slef mtj: git format-patch -o .. 'HEAD^' 12:10 ColinC kf+ 12:10 wizzyrea kf++ 12:10 paul_p_ kf++ 12:10 kf I hve no strong opinion about the coding thing - make it consistent and choose one, change code not at once but bit by bit perhaps 12:09 slef that's not it... 1mo 12:09 * slef checks that here 12:09 mtj hmm, 1 tic... 12:09 slef mtj: git whatchanged -1 # IIRC 12:09 mtj slef: i dont know how to do that... 12:08 slef mtj: could you paste how many lines are changed (I think it's in the whatchanged output?) 12:08 mtj but regardless of my examples.... lets vote :) 12:06 mtj thd: but are now back up? 12:06 thd The examples of perl tidy in action are down. 12:06 Brooke take it away mtj, methinks 12:05 Brooke (last point in the agenda before setting the time and date! Woot!) 12:05 wizzyrea not that kind ofachievement 12:05 * thd caused a stack overflow in the circulation system. High score :) 12:05 Brooke #topic coding guidelines 12:04 thd Brooke: Yes, I understand that those are ideas for scoring points and not rules. 12:04 Brooke excellent idea. 12:04 magnuse yay 12:04 Brooke will put it there when I've got summat 12:04 magnuse Brooke: do it on the wiki and we can all chime in if we see fit? 12:04 * rangi has to go to sleep 12:04 wizzyrea thd: the features are completely optional 12:03 mtj magnuse: ta :) 12:03 paul_p_ Brooke, I keep silent because i've nothing to say (& i'm having lunch, i admit ;-) ) 12:03 kf back 12:03 thd Brooke: I see a strategy for gaming the library for achievement which would abuse the circulation desk. 12:03 wizzyrea yes, i'll help you 12:02 Brooke k I shall take thy silence as a sign of assent. 12:02 magnuse mtj: works for me! 12:02 mtj http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=koha-perltidy/.git;a=commit is back up? 12:02 magnuse what's not to like? ;-) 12:01 Brooke at least in one department. 12:01 Brooke we have a nice armature for the stuff we were gonna do anyway 12:01 Brooke if they don't like it 12:01 wizzyrea go for it 12:01 Brooke so I'm up for it 12:01 Brooke it's not actual coding 12:01 Brooke if they like it, then great 12:00 Brooke submit summat 12:00 Brooke here's what I have in my crazy head 12:00 Brooke so 12:00 Brooke (like 15th October) 12:00 Brooke they're do very soon 12:00 Brooke the bad news is 12:00 Brooke the proposals they're looking for run very close to the achievement stuff outlined 12:00 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gamifying_the_ILS 11:59 Brooke some Gamification achievement stuff was already proposed on the wiki 11:59 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea (NEKLS - apologies on the tardiness) 11:59 Brooke http://dmlcompetition.net/ 11:59 Brooke I wanted to draw attention to 11:59 Brooke #topic Gamification 11:58 Brooke #help think over the handling of bugs with no endorsement. 11:57 Brooke #idea list of bugs in a call for help or koha-devel mail 11:57 slef thd: QA or anyone watching koha-bugs to review/move it on when they get time. Could put a list of bugs in a call for help in newsletter or koha-devel mail. Lots of ideas. 11:57 wahanui Brooke: I forgot brooke 11:57 Brooke wahanui forget brooke 11:57 wahanui somebody said Brooke, was it summer now in NZ? 11:57 paul_p_ Brooke, ??? 11:56 Brooke let's mull this over more mebbe? 11:56 paul_p_ (many have patch pushed, maybe we could remove them) 11:55 slef #info change the 90 on the end for a different number of bugs 11:55 slef #info ^^ bugs that are unchanged more than 90 days 11:55 paul_p_ thd, have someone else endorsing it 11:55 slef #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=days_elapsed&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=greaterthan&value0-0-0=90 11:55 Brooke maybe we can feature them for adoption at GBSDs. 11:55 thd slef: What should happen after bugs are explicitly disowned? What action should be triggered? 11:54 paul_p_ yep 11:54 slef paul_p_: but you think it should be fixed, just not by you? 11:54 paul_p_ good, we agree on that ! 11:54 paul_p_ slef, well, atm, everybody think "paul will take care", but I won't 11:53 slef But for explicitly disowning bugs, OK. 11:53 slef I think a default assignment of TEAM (Toll! Ein Anderes Macht's! = Great, someone else will do it!) is an awful idea and I don't see how it addresses your problem. 11:53 paul_p_ assigning to koha-bugs what a given default assignee don't want to endorse sounds a good idea 11:52 paul_p_ slef, but if it's a real bug, I won't set "RESOLVE WONTFIX" !!! it's just that I want to say "ok, it's still here, but it's not for me" 11:52 slef paul_p_: koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org 11:51 paul_p_ slef, assign such a but to QA = you mean "QA mailing list" ? 11:51 slef or actually, RESOLVE WONTFIX 11:51 slef I mean, the answer to paul_p_'s question in that post seems simple: assign such a bug to QA. I don't see why defaults need change to do that. 11:50 slef #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-August/035984.html 11:50 slef thd: ok... I'd not got back that far yet. Thanks. 11:50 thd slef: The issue was raised on the koha-devel list in August. 11:49 paul_p_ the question I try to solve : how to detect non endorsed bugs & how to avoid having useless default assignees 11:49 sekjal I mostly use RSS for QA notifications 11:48 slef I don't understand what problem you are trying to solve here. I'm currently searching koha-devel for the thread. A link in the agenda would have been helpful. 11:48 slef I don't like that. QA have enough to do already. 11:47 paul_p_ idea : use koha-qa as default assignee & let QA contactbeing set by QA manager & assistants ? 11:47 paul_p_ default assignee being someone & default QA being koha-QA mailing list 11:46 paul_p_ oups, sorry I misunderstand you. We have 2 things : default assignee & default QA 11:46 slef paul_p_: abandoned bug = Last change > N months ago? 11:46 paul_p_ ? 11:46 slef no, kf was right - I was wrong. module maint is default assignee 11:46 paul_p_ maybe we could have no default QA and have koha-qa as default assignee 11:46 kf phone call 11:45 paul_p_ not assignee 11:45 paul_p_ kf, slef said koha-QA 11:45 slef #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/describecomponents.cgi?product=Koha 11:45 kf and cc bug list 11:45 kf module maintainer is 11:45 jcamins I don't think koha-devel is such a good idea. That would greatly increase the volume of e-mail. 11:45 paul_p_ slef, yep 11:45 kf no 11:45 slef kf: I think koha-qa is default assignee isn't it? 11:45 paul_p_ the big point being: "how to detect abandonned bugs ?" 11:45 kf as long as something is NEW noone is workign on it 11:45 kf I thought we do that 11:44 paul_p_ i've had 2 ideas : having koha-devel as default assignee & using NEW/ASSIGNED status to deal with real assignee 11:44 paul_p_ I think it differs, but not sure i'm right. 11:43 Brooke someone want to talk about this? is this summat that will be covered by Champions or is it different? 11:42 Brooke follow up on the koha-devel thread for bugzilla and default assignee 11:42 Brooke #topic Misc 11:42 mtj oops.. 11:42 rangi nope 11:42 mtj so, 11:42 magnuse not accoring to http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-09-07-18.00.html 11:41 Brooke did we have any actions from last meeting that neet to be seen to? 11:41 magnuse (other than to say having gbsd as a regular thing on the agenda might be unnecessary...) 11:41 Brooke #topic Old Business 11:40 magnuse not from me 11:40 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, PTFS/LibLime 11:40 Brooke anything else on bugs? 11:40 magnuse Brooke: agreed! 11:40 Brooke not that bugs need to wait for a GBSD :) 11:40 magnuse paul_p_: great!! 11:39 nengard 7 voted for Edinburgh for #2 and 58 for Reno as #2 and 23 didn't rank a #2 11:39 paul_p_ (magnuse and that will be the case for all GBSD : we concluded that half a day every 2 week was not the best, because when you've half a day, you need to start and ... it's done. So we switch 1 day every month, the GBSD) 11:39 nengard 2 didn't complete the vote 11:39 nengard 12 voted for Reno as #1 11:39 kf nice! 11:39 slef this GBSD is far enough into a month I may be able to take part... if my colleagues get moving with the month-start admin today/tomorrow 11:39 jcamins magnuse: ah. I have no objection to keeping them on Fridays for now, I was just wondering. 11:39 nengard 74 voted for Edinburgh as the first choice 11:38 magnuse biblibre++ 11:38 nengard 88 votes 11:38 magnuse jcamins: initally because biblibre have their community days on fridays, but it cn be changed, of course 11:38 kf biblibre++ 11:38 kf because fridays are for fun things? :) 11:38 paul_p_ magnuse: this time all BibLibre will join GBSD for all the day. 11:38 jcamins magnuse: why are they always on Fridays? 11:38 paul_p_ (number of votes, % ...) 11:38 paul_p_ hi nengard. Do you have some details about KohaCon12 vote ? 11:37 magnuse be there or be [] 11:37 magnuse there is a gbsd on this coming friday, as a last sprint to the string freeze http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-10-07_Global_bug_squashing_day 11:37 rangi thats my input on the subject 11:37 rangi they rule 11:37 jransom congrats slef 11:37 Brooke #topic Global Bug Squashing Days 11:36 jransom i'm going to head off folks - see some of yuou in Mumbai and maybe the rest in Scotland! 11:36 nengard #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions, Documentation Manager 11:36 rangi coolio 11:36 slef #info I thank all voters and koha-community on behalf of the co-op. We'll get moving and be in touch. 11:36 kf people have not agreed to make the data public 11:36 kf yes, important point 11:36 Brooke arright good point 11:36 nengard like last year 11:36 nengard before putting it on the wiki 11:35 nengard keep it anonymous 11:35 nengard Brooke you want to remove the names and such before making it public 11:35 jransom 30 june - but thats not a reason to influence date choice 11:35 wahanui thd: that doesn't look right 11:35 thd jransom: Change your financial calendar to suit. 11:35 Brooke we can make it public I suppose yes nicole? 11:35 Brooke paul ask nengard for good numbers there's a link here 11:35 sekjal slef: just so long as it's not late October; missing 3 Halloween's in a row is too much for my family! 11:35 slef jransom: when is your financial year break? 11:35 paul_p_ Brooke, some details about the votes ? 11:34 jransom but not sure i'll be able to swing 2 trips in same financial year 11:34 slef kf: yes, there are many festivals in Edinburgh which we cannot outbid for venues and so on. 11:34 kf trying not to make it the same time as other important things 11:34 kf I think the host decides 11:34 jcamins rangi: you'd be surprised. 11:34 jransom yay - i nve never been toscotland and my great grandads were scottish and irish andfrench and english 11:33 Brooke he chooses the one that's convenient to him as host. 11:33 slef thd: Unless there's a strong reason not to, we will got with best availability and weather, probably June. 11:33 rangi och aye the noo (and yes i know no one actually says that in scotland .., at least not as a phrase like that) 11:33 kf I think having it earlier next year was discussed - I like the idea 11:33 thd slef: How do you propose choosing a time? 11:33 jcamins Yippee! 11:33 kf slef++ coop++ (?) 11:33 kf whooohoooooo! 11:32 magnuse woohoo! 11:32 Brooke Congratulations Scotland :D 11:32 Brooke #topic KohaCon 2012 11:32 Brooke we've no one to address anything anyway on to 11:32 Brooke so 11:32 paul_p_ I hope that the lot of work time will occur whent i'm "low work needed" on managing my company 11:31 rangi thd: not steady amount, big lumps, then quiet 11:31 thd :) 11:31 Brooke fits and spurts 11:31 thd rangi: lumpy? 11:30 rangi lumpy 11:30 jransom kudos to those who take it on 11:30 rangi it comes and goes too 11:30 jransom its aery big commitment 11:30 thd rangi: That is good to know as a comparison for such an all consuming job. 11:30 rangi its pretty much a fulltime job, but the realities are, you have to do probably about half unpaid 11:29 rangi and 3 or 4 hours of my own time each day 11:29 jransom 16 more sleeps for me 11:29 rangi just fyi, i did on average about halftime of my working time 11:29 Brooke no other Indians in the house. 11:29 Brooke #topic KohaCon2011 11:28 paul_p_ (maybe i'll be able to do more, but i'm not sure at all) 11:28 thd paul_p_++ 11:28 paul_p_ enough I don't know. I can't promise doing more, and promise not doing less 11:28 Brooke #agreed Paul Poulain is the release manager. 11:28 paul_p_ enough I don't know. I can't afford doing more, and promise not doing less 11:28 sekjal +1 for paul for 3.8 RM 11:28 mtj slef, will fix that now 11:27 rangi +1 11:27 thd paul_p_ Is half time enough time? 11:26 slef mtj: point of info, your examples git is Server Temporarily Unavailable every time I tried so far 11:26 mtj ... just got back home, and remembered the irc meeting 11:26 kf celebrating your new roles I guess - because you got the jobs 11:26 rangi heh 11:26 kf lol 11:26 christophe_c +1 11:26 mtj i bumped into eythian, and we got sidetracked at a pub 11:26 kf +1 11:26 jransom +1 for paul 11:26 slef -1 no prejudicing the next release's roles 11:26 thd +1 11:25 paul_p_ just one point (already written iirc) = I plan to dedicate half of my time to the RM role 11:25 magnuse +1 11:25 jransom heya mj 11:25 Brooke well then go on and vote properly you cats! 11:25 Brooke morena 11:25 mtj morning all 11:24 Brooke any other unresolved issues? 11:24 Brooke I think so 11:24 kf ready to vote now? 11:24 christophe_c +1 paul_p 11:24 kf ok 11:23 magnuse paul_p++ 11:23 thd +1 paul_p_ sensibly sensing the community 11:23 magnuse rangi: sounds good to me 11:23 paul_p_ that's my hope too, although i'l bug ppl on koha-devel to point pending patches ! 11:22 jransom rangi: sounds that way 11:22 sekjal kf: that's my hope, too 11:22 kf paul_p_: with more people doing qa I hope we can catch up on things :) 11:22 rangi is that what ppl are concluding? 11:22 Brooke excellent to hear Paul 11:22 rangi #info stick with time based releases, if a release contains a change large enough to warrant a major version number we use it, otherwise keep on the 3.x one 11:22 paul_p_ kf, I think i've already said i've abandonned the idea, as it seems ppl are against it. 11:21 sekjal ^^ 11:21 kf on another question: can we discuss lowering the qa barrier for some time? I don't feel so comfortable with that, even if it's only for a limited amount of time 11:21 * oleonard must leave, is ready to give paul_p his vote knowing that it will All Work Out. 11:20 slef http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-October/036235.html 11:20 sekjal I'd like the opportunity to see if any other major features can be reasonably developed in time for our target 4.0 date, but that's really details as far as I'm concerned 11:20 slef magnuse: ta 11:19 magnuse slef: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-October/date.html 11:19 jransom so we preomise a releasae and whats ready is in it 11:19 paul_p_ sekjal, I think too 11:19 thd slef: today in koha-devel. 11:19 sekjal paul_p_: okay, so then you and I are mostly in agreement. 11:19 paul_p_ I won't call it 4 just to beat chrome numbering speed ;-) 11:19 paul_p_ I won't call it 4 just to beat chrome numbering ;-) 11:18 paul_p_ 1st digit is updated on any major structural change being the rule 11:18 paul_p_ sekjal, 3.10 11:18 sekjal would the release then still be called Koha 4.0, if the major structural change isn't ready, or would it go to 3.10? 11:18 thd sekjal: So the issue may be merely whether the ready features merit the major version number. 11:17 sekjal ok 11:17 paul_p_ then no Solr in oct 12 ! 11:17 sekjal would you propose delaying 4.0, or not including Solr? 11:16 sekjal paul_p_: what if the Solr work cannot pass QA by Oct. 22nd, 2012, for whatever reason? 11:16 slef thd: got message-id or link handly? 11:16 paul_p_ sekjal, no ! definetly no ! (at least in my mind, seems I can't explain clearly my idea) 11:15 thd slef: On the koha-devel list paul_p_ tried to answer sekjal. 11:15 sekjal paul_p_: it's not just numbering, it's feature-based v. time-based 11:15 paul_p_ slef, right, couldn't find time 11:15 slef paul_p_: what late answer? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_paul_p_RM38 is unchanged since last meeting. 11:14 paul_p_ I think it's just a numbering question, that is really a minor question 11:14 kf but don't force features that are not ready 11:14 kf 3.10 11:14 kf when not - do a 3.01 11:14 kf hm perhaps say, when it's ready, do a 4.0, and aim for that 11:14 paul_p_ maybe I haven't be clear enough in my today mail. 11:14 Brooke I appreciate the idea of parallel development, but perhaps when we have two like releases: either two feature based or two time based. 11:14 sekjal and we can jump right from 3.8 to 4.0 11:14 sekjal hopefully, all the stuff we plan for in 1 year will be ready in 1 year 11:14 * oleonard too 11:14 Brooke I concur slef 11:13 magnuse sekjal: +1 11:13 slef -1 no role appointments for 4.0 yet, especially without any details. 11:13 sekjal I still hold that timebased releases on the 3.X line are the way to go, with a feature-based 4.0 being released when all its parts are actually ready 11:13 paul_p_ of course i'm for time based releases ! i was the 1st to use the term ! 11:13 paul_p_ or no ? 11:13 paul_p_ sekjal, and my -late- answer to this concern does fix your question ? 11:12 sekjal we tried that before with 3.2, and it.... didn't work so well 11:12 sekjal I don't believe it's reasonable to schedule feature releases on a timetable 11:12 Brooke and we have been quick for us so far. 11:12 Brooke I think they're both key 11:11 kf I think that's an important point 11:11 thd paul_p_ Do I understand that correctly that your plan for 4.0 will be whatever the collective community plan is? 11:11 magnuse should we do the whole timebased releases, which features are required for calling it 4.0 discussion again? ;-) 11:10 magnuse +1 11:08 Brooke release manager Paul Poulain 11:08 christophe_c +1 fo kf too 11:07 Brooke #agreed Frédéric Demians is the Translation Manager with cait assisting. 11:07 fredericd when could you scheduled that: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_Splitting_and_Shrinking 11:07 jcamins #info jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services. 11:06 paul_p_ if it's OK for you, then +1 11:06 kf translation is important for us 11:06 kf that's ok for me 11:06 fredericd magnuse: you can co-host... 11:06 magnuse +1 for kf ;-) 11:06 rangi kf it is 11:06 magnuse hm, i won't have time to do something like that in the foreseeable future... 11:06 kf +1 fpr fredericd as translation manager 11:06 paul_p_ hehe... good idea. you shouldn't have said it, they'll refuse to help you;-) 11:05 rangi +1 to either of them (or both) 11:05 christophe_c +1 11:05 fredericd in order to premare the transmission of this role to one of them 11:05 paul_p_ ( & +10 for the idea to remove translation from git repo !) 11:05 fredericd I've asked to associate cait to this role (or magnuse or both) 11:04 rangi fredericd: did you have an idea that kf might help out with translations also? 11:04 ropuch +1 11:04 paul_p_ +1 11:04 ColinC +1 11:04 magnuse +1 11:04 thd +1 11:03 Brooke Frédéric Demians for Translation manager 11:02 Brooke #agreed Nicole Engard is Documentation Manager and Documenter of DB 11:02 paul_p_ (for those who don't understand = private joke) 11:02 paul_p_ (too many things in english I mean) 11:02 Brooke ha! 11:02 paul_p_ Brooke, i promise i'll never apply as doc manager, or you'll have to learn me too many things :D 11:02 jransom +1 11:01 rangi +1 11:01 kf +1 11:01 sekjal +1 11:01 ColinC +1 11:01 oleonard +1 11:01 magnuse +1 11:01 Brooke oh fine, nengard for Documentation for this go 11:01 paul_p_ +1 for nicole (maybe not for life) 11:01 thd +1 next couple of releases at a time 11:00 kf one release at at time 11:00 Brooke Nicole for Documentation for life? 11:00 thd +1 everyone who shows up again 11:00 Brooke kf++ 10:59 kf not so many people, we will get some doubling up :) 10:59 rangi but he can do both :) 10:59 rangi i was gonna make oleonard a champion 10:59 slef +1 10:59 paul_p_ +1 for oleonard 10:59 kf +1 for oleonard :) 10:59 magnuse +1 for oleonard 10:59 Brooke #agreed and Oleonard wrangles too :D 10:59 christophe_c +1 for both 10:59 * oleonard would be glad to wear that badge 10:59 Brooke #agreed Bug Wranglers are KF and Magnus (not that this is limited.) 10:58 Brooke I'm gluing together Documentation Manager and Documentation of DB since they are the same highly competent individual, not that I'm biased ;) 10:58 kf oleonard: up to get a title? 10:58 kf true 10:58 ropuch +1 10:58 paul_p_ I think oleonard could also be elected, as he is BW, even if he don't has the role officially ;-) 10:57 * oleonard +1s kf, magnuse, and everyone he missed before 10:57 hdl +1 10:57 hdl +1 10:57 paul_p_ +1 for magnuse & +1 for kf 10:56 ColinC +1 both 10:56 sekjal +1 for kf, +1 for magnuse 10:56 rangi +2 (one each) 10:56 jransom +1 +1 10:56 kf +1 for magnuse 10:56 thd +1 everyone who shows up 10:56 magnuse +1 for kf 10:56 Brooke anyone else got a hankerin' to keep doggies movin? 10:55 Brooke Bug Wranglers we've KF and Magnuse 10:55 Brooke #agreed Ian Walls continues as QA Manager 10:55 Brooke Ian is too slow to escape so 10:54 thd +1 10:54 magnuse +1 10:54 kf +1 10:54 Brooke QA Manager is solely Ian 10:54 Brooke #agreed both Marcel de Rooy and Jonathan Druart will be Assistant QA managers 10:53 sekjal the more the merrier 10:53 hdl °1 10:53 kf +1 10:53 jransom me too 10:53 ropuch +1 10:53 ColinC +1 for both 10:52 christophe_c +1 too 10:52 slef +1 10:52 thd +1 many many volunteers 10:52 magnuse +1 for both 10:52 Brooke I believe it was said that it's okay for 2, yes Ian? 10:52 paul_p_ having 2 doesn't harm at all. so I vote +1 for both of them 10:52 Brooke we've Marcel de Rooy and Jonathan Druart on the slate 10:52 Brooke Assistant QA Managers 10:51 Brooke on we go 10:51 thd Even when I have had no other time for Koha, I have been fixing the wiki. 10:50 jransom it would sort out who was payng attention 10:50 Brooke #idea send to the list nominating Champions and if their reaction time is low the trap shuts. 10:50 kf +1 10:50 rangi :) 10:50 rangi they get the job 10:50 rangi and if they dont say no fast enough 10:50 rangi we should email the list nominating people 10:49 magnuse hehe 10:49 paul_p_ (some of us will soon look like USSR generals, with 80 medals :D ) 10:49 paul_p_ I think she's just lacking the name & badge ;-) 10:49 slef wizzyrea already has the websites module which is a bottomless pit. Is wizzyrea here? 10:48 Brooke #idea Module Champions hold no extra power save to cajole, bribe, and threaten 10:48 paul_p_ well, in fact, she already is a "module champion" ;-) 10:48 sekjal I nominate wizzyrea for one or more modules, then 10:48 kf make people talk to each other 10:48 kf more a coordinating role 10:48 rangi yup 10:47 sekjal an advocate for a module 10:47 kf because it's too much expecting that 10:47 rangi just caring 10:47 rangi i agree 10:47 paul_p_ right (imo) 10:47 rangi so no extra power, except the power to cajole, bribe, threaten 10:47 kf right? 10:47 kf necessarily 10:47 kf which does not mean fixing themselves 10:47 rangi their 10:47 paul_p_ yes, that's my idea ! 10:47 paul_p_ rangi, why not 10:47 rangi and making it there role to care about making sure bugs in that area get fixed 10:46 rangi how about calling them module champions 10:46 kf I think keeping things in order, like a bug wrangler does 10:46 Brooke so what is the community's pleasure? 10:46 sekjal would ModuleMaints have any particular privileges? a weightier signoff? QA passing? ability to commit code to a Koha branch? 10:45 * chris_n2 must excuse himself and get ready to head to work 10:44 paul_p_ helper for RMaint. testing/applying patches for a given module for example 10:44 sekjal for creating fixes? for testing incoming? for overall planning? 10:44 Brooke yee haw the devil is up 10:44 sekjal responsible in what sense? 10:44 paul_p_ responsible for a sub-part of koha maintainance. But we have no candidates, so... 10:43 kf to move forward tonight 10:43 paul_p_ for me module maintainer is a help for RMaint 10:43 kf and go through the modules at a separate meeting 10:43 sekjal ^^ 10:43 kf perhaps we need to clarify the role a module maintainer has 10:43 * chris_n2 apologizes to the chair 10:43 chris_n2 ouch 10:43 Brooke we are talking about roles paul 10:43 slef ok, shall I mail him and ask if that's OK? If no response in a week, we call for new 10:42 paul_p_ we arevoting for roles ;-) 10:42 kf wizzyrea would be good for circ - it's not about fixing, more like overseeing, right? 10:42 Brooke #idea trawl koha-devel for options 10:42 chris_n2 then the default assignee could set those bugs they do not intend to work on to the other 10:42 paul_p_ we're not on this part of this agenda ! 10:42 Brooke but I can hardly predict that with accuracy 10:42 kf +1 for optional 10:42 chris_n2 maybe not as the default, but as an option 10:42 Brooke I'm thinking that Ian might be inclined to pick those up 10:42 kf both very important 10:42 chris_n2 I think koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org is a good idea 10:42 slef Circulation and Patrons 10:41 kf yes, but he has more than one module 10:41 slef Kyle M Hall looks like the only default assignee I've not seen recently 10:41 slef #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/describecomponents.cgi?product=Koha 10:40 paul_p_ kf, it's also on the agenda, (misc section) 10:40 kf paul_p_: yes, the defaults on bugzilla - we can still vote on the other suggestion 10:40 magnuse kf: +1 10:39 paul_p_ kf, you mean default assignee on bugzilla ? 10:39 kf but perhaps we should do that at a separate meeting 10:39 kf not all are active in the community now 10:39 kf I think revisiting the current module maintainers might be good 10:39 paul_p_ Bueller ??? 10:38 kf bueller? 10:38 Brooke Module Maintainers? Bueller? 10:37 jransom yay 10:37 magnuse chris_n++ 10:37 * chris_n2 is trying to script it up anyway 10:37 Brooke Err Nighswonger. *duck* 10:36 paul_p_ wonderful chris_n2 ! 10:36 Brooke listen to Chris Christie darn it. 10:36 Brooke I've naught for this under Module Maintainers 10:36 chris_n2 as I say, if no one steps up before release date I'll do it again 10:36 jransom I vote for chris_n2 (if he wants it) - done an amazing job 10:36 paul_p_ maybe the best option is to call on the MLs and see if chris_n2 applies again or someone else save him ;-) 10:36 chris_n2 ouch 10:35 Brooke #help someone save Chris from Release Maintainer 10:35 Brooke chris_n++ 10:35 Brooke indeed 10:35 kf but chris_n++ for his good work so far 10:35 Brooke oh he's more than two options. He could move to the south of France. XD 10:35 paul_p_ chris_n2, I personnaly don't want to force anyone. But you're doing a good job so if you want to continue, i'll vote. 10:35 kf we can ask and wait if someone volunteers 10:34 paul_p_ chris_n2, you've 2 options : either you accept to continue or we ask publicly for someone else. 10:34 chris_n2 if no one volunteers by release time, ask me again :) 10:34 kf for life is a bit too scary, you have to make him do it one release after the other ;) 10:33 kf I was secretly hoping he would do it for 3.6 - because he is good at it :) 10:33 * chris_n2 runs and hides :-) 10:33 * Brooke was secretly hoping that Chris Squared would volunteer for life... 10:33 Brooke do we have a proper candidate for Release Maintainer? 10:33 Brooke (this is what you get when you're not present. XD) 10:32 Brooke #agreed Robin is Packaging Manager with MTJ assisting 10:32 ColinC 1 10:32 thd +1 10:32 sekjal +1 10:32 christophe_c +1 10:32 jransom +1 10:32 paul_p_ +1 10:31 magnuse +1 10:31 Brooke okie dokie rangi has moved for Robin with MTJ as a helper 10:31 magnuse rangi: +1 10:31 chris_n2 rangi: +1 10:31 paul_p_ except if one packages for Debian, one for RedHat for example 10:31 kf rangi: agreed 10:31 * thd sleeps at the keyboard regularly 10:31 rangi i vote eythian in charge, mtj as sidekick 10:31 paul_p_ I think magnuse is quite right = 1 person make sense for packaging 10:31 Brooke #info need clarification on Packaging Manager; might have to wait for next meeting. 10:30 paul_p_ they're sleeping 10:30 Brooke indeed 10:30 kf only getting later for nz 10:30 kf not sure they will 10:30 Brooke yeah I'm skippin this for now until one or the other shows, hopefully both 10:29 magnuse i think it makes sense to have 1 person in charge of creating the official packages? 10:29 kf I think both are not here right now :( 10:28 paul_p_ will ask him privately 10:28 paul_p_ ok 10:28 Brooke Paul I'd rather not. 10:28 kf #agreed Brooke is elected to chair the meetings (Bus driver) 10:28 Brooke did this need to be a single person or is it valid to have both Mason and Robin? 10:28 paul_p_ Brooke, what about going back to 3.6 and ask the question to fredericd ? 10:28 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil 10:28 Brooke #info Packaging Manager 10:28 chris_n2 lol 10:27 Brooke #agreed I'm stuck with this for now. 10:27 sekjal +1 10:27 kf now we need an agreed :) 10:27 kf +1 10:27 chris_n2 +1 10:27 slef +1 10:27 ropuch +1 10:27 rangi +1 10:27 ColinC +1 10:27 paul_p_ +1 too 10:27 magnuse +1 then 10:27 jransom +1 for brooke being the shepherd 10:27 Brooke I don't feel like I was ever given it and it freaks me out 10:27 thd +1 Brooke driving on both sides of the road 10:26 jransom gets us places 10:26 Brooke I'd like community assent for chairing 10:26 jransom person in charge 10:26 Brooke nope 10:26 paul_p_ "bus driver" = is it just a joke, or there's some english subtilty i miss ? 10:26 magnuse #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.8 10:26 hdl slef: it says also that chris can... 10:26 Brooke votes for and again me for Bus Driver 10:25 Brooke doing this from the bottom to the top, cause I can. 10:25 Brooke okie dokie 10:24 paul_p_ #agreed paul suggest git.koha-community.org/koct.git as name 10:24 slef (bum! I don't have permissions on the directory plugin on the website at the mo, so I can't tell if we could use that for extensions - sorry) 10:24 Brooke let's go for low lying fruit 10:24 Brooke arright 10:24 kf #agreed create a new project on git.koha-community.org for the KOCT firefox plugin 10:23 Brooke moving on from the minutia of the agreed upon... 10:23 Brooke #topic Voting on Roles for 3.8 10:23 asaurat #info Adrien Saurat, BibLibre 10:22 asaurat thx kf :) 10:22 slef paul_p_: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#Host_and_administrators_4 says hdl can? 10:22 paul_p_ ok, i'll ask him if he don't read the logs of the meeting 10:22 rangi gmcharlt can 10:21 paul_p_ rangi, can you ? 10:21 paul_p_ I think it's OK. The remaining question being = who create git.koha-community.org/koct.git ? 10:21 kf welcome asaurat :) 10:21 Brooke we talked out on this bug? 10:20 hdl #info Henri-Damien LAURENT biblibre 10:20 paul_p_ wow ! wahanui is usesull ! great day !!! 10:20 Brooke ta 10:20 wahanui KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool or https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/ 10:20 oleonard KOCT? 10:20 paul_p_ please welcome asaurat, which is Adrien, new BibLibreros, that started on monday. 10:20 Brooke I smell a link. 10:20 hdl it is not certified though 10:20 oleonard Yes it is 10:20 paul_p_ (or i missed something) 10:20 paul_p_ kf, it's already in the ff directory 10:19 Brooke #idea listed on the firefox directory 10:19 kf having it in the official firefox plugin directory woudl be good too 10:19 kf paul_p: different repo is agreed on I think - presentation to be decided 10:18 paul_p_ (explain how to install it...) 10:18 paul_p_ chris_n, I think we need a different repo and a specific webpage to speak of the module 10:18 slef yeah, we used to have an independant website, but we're already a bit stretched for admins IMO 10:18 chris_n2 or just a different repo on git.kc.org? 10:18 paul_p_ (because iirc, we had an independant website) 10:18 slef I wonder if the directory plugin used on the main site for support directory could do a directory of extensions. I'll go look 10:18 chris_n2 are we talking about an entirely different project? ie different webpage, wiki, etc? 10:18 rangi yup, we can point the dns anywhere just need someone to set up the site and maintain it 10:18 paul_p_ not sure we need to bring back the extensions page, it could just be a page on koha-community.org (or was it what you were thinking of ?) 10:17 Brooke #idea bring back the extensions web page 10:17 christophe_c +1 10:16 kf I think that page needs someone to host it probably 10:16 slef +1 from me - any chance of bringing the extensions web page back in some form, for that sort of thing? 10:16 christophe_c hi 10:16 christophe_c #info Christophe Croullebois, BibLibre 10:15 paul_p_ +1 from me, of course ;-) 10:15 paul_p_ s/ne versions/new versions/ 10:14 paul_p_ kf, the plugin is very small, until now we had nothing to change, but it's the main reason = be able to release ne versions of the plugin when needed 10:14 chris_n2 +1 10:14 magnuse +1 10:14 kf so having it on the public repo but as a separate project does make sense to me 10:14 kf I think the firefox plugin might change with new versions of firefox, different timeline than koha has 10:13 kf :) 10:13 * chris_n2 gets to sleep in that saturday now ;-) 10:13 Brooke ty 10:13 kf no votes against ;) 10:13 kf #agreed delaying the 3.4.6 release a day or two in light of the 3.6.0 release on the 22nd 10:13 oleonard My suggestion was that it be in git somewhere, and having its own dedicated project is one option 10:12 paul_p_ oups, sorry, I missed that chris_n2 called for a vote. +1 for me 10:12 Brooke please use vote instead of suggest or message me or summat. I'll be barreling through this stuff. It's a long agenda. 10:12 thd +1 10:12 Brooke fine vote on then :) 10:12 paul_p_ owen has tested the bug, is probably about to signoff, and is suggesting to add KOCT firefox plugin to git. I agree it's a good idea, and was suggesting to have a dedicated git project for it 10:11 rangi Brooke: did we want to see if any more votes for delaying 3.4.6 ? 10:11 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens Count Public Libraries 10:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once 10:11 Brooke so let's see bug 5877 10:10 * clrh #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre 10:10 rangi +1 10:10 paul_p_ #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France, applied as QA assistant for 3.8 10:10 kf +1 10:10 * chris_n2 suggests delaying the 3.4.6 release a day or two in light of the 3.6.0 release on the 22nd 10:09 paul_p_ kf, right 10:09 rangi yep, as soon as after the 8th would be great 10:09 kf there are no 3.6 folders yet where you can upload your files 10:09 Brooke #help fredericd to update pootle 10:09 kf at this date 10:09 kf was wondering if fredericd can update pootle 10:09 paul_p_ kf, fredericd works on french translation like a mad ;-) 10:08 kf fredericd: around? 10:08 paul_p_ #info String freeze for 3.6 in 3 days (oct, 8th) 10:08 rangi bugs that dont introduce new strings will still be pushed, and any security ones 10:08 rangi 2 weeks for translators 10:08 rangi yup 10:07 kf soon was 8th? 10:07 paul_p_ I've added a specific point yesterday, about BZ5877, let me know when I start speaking of it 10:07 rangi if you want stuff in, get it signed off asap 10:07 rangi to be ready for the release on the 22nd 10:07 rangi we are in feature freeze, string freeze starts very soon 10:06 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6 10:06 kf chris_n++ 10:06 Brooke any questions? 10:06 Brooke everyone++ 10:06 chris_n2 and that's it 10:06 chris_n2 thanks to everyone for all of the good work! 10:05 chris_n2 the plan is to keep releasing as long as we have a flow of patches for 3.4.x 10:05 chris_n2 the 3.4.6 will move out on the 22nd of this month 10:05 chris_n2 everything is moving along well with 3.4 maintenance 10:05 Brooke chris squared? 10:04 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.4 10:04 Brooke apparently we have a placeholder on freenode 10:02 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT 10:02 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 10:02 ropuch #info Piotr Wejman, CSNE Library, Poland 10:02 paul_p_ #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre 10:02 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd 10:02 sekjal #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QAM 10:02 jransom #info Joann Ransom HLT, NZ 10:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 10:02 chris_n2 #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC, 3.4.x Release Maintainer 10:02 slef #info MJ Ray, http://www.software.coop 10:02 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 10:02 Brooke introduce yourselves using #info if you want the minutes to show you were here 10:01 Brooke Haere Mai! 10:01 ropuch #help 10:01 paul_p_ Brooke, ok 10:01 Brooke #topic Introductions 10:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 10:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 5 10:00:22 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:01 Brooke #startmeeting 10:01 Brooke #startmeetikng 10:01 Brooke no it means I'm chairing and don't feel like fishing through email 10:00 paul_p_ starts now isn't it ? 10:00 paul_p_ Brooke, ok. It means you wont be there for the meeting ? 10:00 Brooke because I've a bus to drive soon. 09:59 Brooke and I will mail you details after the meeting 09:59 Brooke it's meant to be a suite with an extra bed 09:59 paul_p_ (as we're 3 too, we may do like you) 09:59 paul_p_ Brooke, which email did you use ? 2nd question: did you book a suite with a supplementary bed for you 3 ? something else ? 09:57 Brooke I booked by email, but I also phoned at one point. 09:57 rangi eythian is all booked, i could ask him tomorrow, (he got all his confirmation stuff including a shuttle from the airport to the hotel) 09:57 paul_p_ Brooke, a private question before the meeting start. How did you do to book the hotel in mumbai ? I sent emails, but have no feedback (I try to book at the same hotel as you) 09:56 paul_p_ hi chris_n2 & Brooke 09:56 chris_n2 howdy paul_p_ 09:56 Brooke 0/ 09:55 chris_n2 ich 09:55 Brooke this was Albany NY to a parking lot in Springfield MA to Worcester. 09:55 Brooke that's rather good though :) 09:55 Brooke could be worse 09:55 chris_n2 Culpeper 09:54 Brooke from? 09:54 chris_n2 I did mine to Fairfax and Alexandria 09:54 Brooke "centrally located Worcester." 09:54 * chris_n2 remembers the 4am carpool thing :P 09:53 Brooke 4 AM carpool! 09:53 Brooke State Aid reprogrammed me 09:53 kf ? 09:53 Brooke I went from wanting to shoot things to wanting to do heavy duty maths 09:52 chris_n2 wow, that's pretty good for this time of the morning :) 09:52 * chris_n2 salutes 09:52 * Brooke salutes jransom. 09:52 jransom babe! 09:52 Brooke CRC Helman reporting for duty! Just do not let me call cadence! 09:44 * chris_n2 reaches for the coffee pot :-) 09:44 chris_n2 heya kf 09:44 kf hi chris_n2 :) 09:43 kf anything in the log file? 09:43 kf doubled up cardnumbers? 09:43 chris_n2 mtj: is kohaaloha having server problems? 09:42 magnuse one patron worked, then i replaced that with another, without touching the header, and it says it can't parse the header... 09:41 kf and your header? 09:41 kf could you show my 2 anonymized lines? 09:40 kf hmmm 09:40 kf magnuse: I don't think providing a borrowernumber makes any sense, but it's ilke it worked for me in the past 09:40 magnuse lines end with a " - yes, different borrowernumbers - yes same error 09:40 kf magnuse: yes, give it something 09:39 kf and still the same error message? 09:38 kf and you are using different borrowernumbers, right? 09:38 kf how do your lines end? 09:38 kf hmmm 09:38 magnuse kf: worked for the first one, but not when i tried with another patron... weird 09:33 magnuse so you just gibe it something and that's overwritten/replaced? 09:32 magnuse hm, that might have worked 09:30 kf I normally count from 1 to something 09:30 kf although it's not using it (don't ask me, it makes no sense) 09:30 joransom test 09:30 magnuse ok 09:30 kf not sure about current version, but 3.2.2 doesn't like no borrowernumber 09:30 kf magnuse: no, don't make it empty, give it something 09:30 jransom heya Katrin 09:30 magnuse the borrowernumber was empty, but i removed it - didn't help 09:30 kf magnuse: borrowernumber? 09:30 kf wb joransom :) 09:29 magnuse nope 09:29 kf are you providing a borrowernumber? 09:29 kf do you have patron attributes? 09:29 kf magnuse: hmmmm 09:28 jransom irc app 09:28 jransom maybe i need an ircr the android .. 09:28 magnuse jransom: time to consider getting a "proper" irc client, perhaps? ;-) 09:28 jransom yes! 09:28 jransom this time maybe 09:26 magnuse lots of "Header row could not be parsed" 09:25 kf or only taking forever 09:25 kf errors? 09:24 magnuse wow, Patron Import does not want to be my friend today... 09:23 rangi nekls use it in production, as do some of our libraries, havent heard anything from them 09:21 kf hdl: I didn't notice any problems in our tests, we are testing with 3.4.5 right now 09:21 magnuse hdl: i have 3.4.2 in production, but have not heard of any problems 09:21 kf hdl: no we haven't - 3.2.2 still - once the i18n things are fixed we plan to update 09:20 hdl It appears that when editing an item, modzebraqueue is not called any longer. 09:20 hdl Don you have problems with checkin checkout status ? 09:20 hdl magnuse: kf do you have 3.4 or 3.6 in production ? 09:18 jransom gone again 09:18 kf ah, my scrolling is broken 09:18 jransom oh nuts - 09:18 kf uhoh 09:18 magnuse cool! 09:18 jransom hello Magnus 09:17 jransom yes :) 09:17 magnuse better now, jransom? 09:16 jransom and cant see my typing 09:16 jransom this is interesting - I can't read anything (though it says someone mentioned my name) 09:15 magnuse jransom: how's te takere coming along? 09:15 magnuse kia ora jransom! 09:15 ropuch Hi jransom 09:14 jransom evening all 09:11 ropuch Such time saving 09:10 ropuch [; 09:10 ropuch Huh, if only I had found this batch marc retrieve script 08:57 sekjal I'll be back in an hour, then 08:57 kf and you got up too early? :( 08:57 kf oh 08:57 sekjal this is not the first time daylight savings time has pulled one over on me. 08:56 sekjal ah 08:56 wajasu 4am here 08:56 magnuse in an hour 08:56 sekjal meeting's happening soon, right? 08:55 sekjal morning, magnuse 08:55 magnuse good morning sekjal 08:55 wajasu yeah. i saw web based css might be a doable these days. 08:54 kf and there might be work in progress somewhere you could built on 08:54 kf to html 08:54 kf i think the big plan is to move away from pdf 08:54 kf wajasu: you should talk to chris_n about it 08:53 wajasu maybe my pdf viewer, which is linux okular, doesn't have some sort of mapping table from C3BC -> FC, too many point of conversion (browser->apache->perl->DB->perl->pdf) 08:51 wajasu anyway the PDF had two bytes C3BC and showed as two chars. but after the patch, the C3BC becomes FC -> ü 08:49 wajasu maybe i should export my marcxml record, and attach it to the bug? tommorrow. 08:48 wajasu i converted to marcxml, then imported. I had to add holding, etc. Things show fine in the web browser. 08:47 wajasu i think i used a marc4j library when i wrote the import program from the old DOS based proprietary library software. 08:46 kf the dots are not right above the u but a little bit too much right 08:46 kf shows wrong in some browsers like firefox too 08:46 kf making it u + dots 08:46 kf wajasu: often the normalization form is different than 08:45 wajasu I'll look into editing a bib with jürgen to see if thats a problem. my problem is with records that are already imported from 2 years ago and that were pulled from z3950 servers initially. 08:43 wajasu maybe i should export a marc record to see how it gets encoded in marcxml. 08:40 kf you could try copying 'jürgen' 08:40 wajasu it was a computer program that converted to marcxml, then imported. 08:40 kf perhaps worth a test 08:40 kf could be 08:39 kf if you use u + .. for typing, it might be different 08:39 wajasu maybe my database holds encoded U+C3BC and thats what is passing through, so the latin1 mapping wasn't working. 08:39 kf perhaps it's a different character - I am using a german keyboard of course 08:38 wajasu maybe its how my data got imported into koha from a legacy pc library system. 08:38 wajasu i am trying to understand why my umlauts weren't working. 08:37 wajasu yeah. i see 08:37 kf comment 8 08:36 kf yeah, I put a comment into the bug 08:36 wajasu really. for barcode labels? 08:36 kf like your example: Jürgen 08:36 kf other thigns like cyrillic failed for me, but the umlauts I had tested 08:35 kf becasue to my knowledge umlauts work 08:35 kf wajasu: I commented - I am a bit confused 08:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters 08:35 wajasu ok. i sent a patch for bug 2246. my code change(1 line) to comments ratio is pretty high though :) 07:37 kf hi Oak :) 07:35 Oak hello #koha 07:35 Oak Guten Tag kf 07:30 kf mtj: around? 07:16 kf yep 07:15 magnuse meeting in 3 hours minus 15 minutes, right? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_5_October_2011 07:15 rangi wb kf 07:14 magnuse guten morgen kf and #koha 07:13 kf good morning #koha 06:53 magnuse kia ora rangi 06:52 rangi morning magnuse 06:50 reiveune hi rangi 06:50 rangi hi reiveune 06:38 reiveune hello 06:31 wajasu i had tried my 3.02 library labels, and also with3.4.4 and HEAD, and it seems the 1st line in my librarians template is missing. does anyone remember something like that happening. where after an upgrade the label templates needed rework. 06:28 cait kulps: http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ 06:27 cait it's a koha support provider 06:26 kulps cait, is bywater a koha consulting group? 06:24 cait :) 06:24 ropuch cait: bookmarks updated ;) 06:24 kulps I'm not sure I'll be strong at ldap by the time I'm done integrating everything with it, but I'll certainly be beter 06:23 kulps thanks 06:22 cait http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/09/08/how-ldap-connections-work-in-koha-3-4/ 06:21 cait kulps: there is something on the bywater blog 06:21 cait ropuch: tidied it up a little, the page is here:http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_an_OPAC_screen_keyboard 06:20 cait ropuch: :) 06:19 eythian there's guides around, I'm pretty sure 06:19 kulps maybe I found something 06:19 kulps wait 06:19 kulps hmm 06:17 kulps also, the wiki doesnt mention how to configure Koha for LDAP authentication, is there a seperate guide somewhere? 06:16 ropuch cait: I stil have the code from you somewhere [; 06:16 cait ropuch: I have put the code for the screen keyboard on the wiki :) 06:15 wajasu my library is academic and lots of german, swedish, jewish, arabic authors. 06:15 wajasu now that I've read the pdf spec and know way too much, i might give it a shot, embedding the trutype font. 06:15 alex_a hello #koha 06:14 cait ropuch: yes, they have hebrew records 06:13 wajasu so even if I patch the diacritics for latin1 (iso8859-1) folks want their own diacritics. 06:13 ropuch cait: but afair it's your libraray with this nice virtual keyboard solution? 06:13 kulps ropuch, thanks very much. I'll give it a whirl. 06:13 eythian I'm a little surprised there's no standard unicode font for PDF 06:12 cait this is a blocker bug for lots of people 06:12 ropuch kulps: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/6574 06:12 cait yeah, koha is very international 06:12 cait hebrew 06:12 rangi arabic too 06:12 kulps ropuch, do you maybe have a link? 06:12 cait we have hebre and all that, french have lots of diacritics 06:12 cait not sure about the question? 06:11 wajasu since utf8 supports more 1112064 codepoints (1-4 8bit bytes), maybe the pdf creators should just embed a unicode font. Are we restricting chars to be <256 ascii code? do may marc21/xml records contain foreign language characters? 06:11 ropuch kulps: an there was Nicholas van Rheede van Oudtshoorn (huh) post on koha-devel 06:07 wahanui owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ 06:07 cait owen's blog 06:07 cait hm i think oleonard's blog has one solution 06:06 kulps hmm, where should I start looking? In the forums or the wiki, somewhere else? 06:05 eythian *do 06:05 eythian kulps: there's scripts floating around to show new stuff, a bit of hacking they could to random stuff. 06:03 wajasu true. 06:03 kulps Hey folks, I've finally started to import our books to the hackerspace's library and was wondering if there is a way (either built in or by extension) to show random books on the OPAC main screen? Or to be able to browse all books? 06:03 rangi theres no reason it can't support both and users choose 06:02 rangi for those who want 06:02 rangi to still be able to use zebra for indexing 06:02 wajasu to support the z3950 services? 06:00 rangi thats the bit that is waiting 06:00 rangi what needs to be done for it to go in koha, is it needs to not break zebra support 06:00 ropuch cait: I'v got Lokalize plugin that properly display file:line in which translated term is [; 06:00 wajasu ok. 06:00 rangi its just using the api 05:59 rangi dont think it requires any hacking of java, and its in one of biblibres branches already 05:58 wajasu i'm wondering if you are really looking to support solr. i am a java guys and could knock that out for ya. 05:57 wajasu I could try coding a new label-create-pdf.pl that supported truetype, which i also got working but i need to draw the text differently, plus i'd need a new column to support the path to be used to embed. 05:51 cait hi ropuch :) 05:48 ropuch Morning #koha 05:48 wajasu the original bug2499 really describes supporting foreign languages in PDFs. my patch would just let current Latin1 standard fonts in the PDF spec work better. 05:44 eythian It's still worth submitting so that it gets tested and follows the patch workflow stuff properly 05:43 wajasu i did a git clone against git master. i am going to try to submit a patch, but its basically the same 1 line change: adding utf8::downgrade($line); before the $pdf->Add($line); so that the 2 byte unicode C3BC will get written as FC and the todays Latin font based PDFs will map the FC to udiaresis. 05:22 cait hehe 05:22 cait and how's things on the other side? 05:22 eythian still light outside. Not used to that either. 05:21 cait not used to the shorter days yet 05:21 cait hm still dark outside 05:13 eythian how's things? 05:12 cait evening 05:12 cait ah sorry 05:12 cait morning mr robin :) 05:12 eythian hi cait 05:12 cait good morning #koha 03:50 * druthb likes lil patches. 03:50 druthb :) 03:50 rangi was easy to test 03:50 rangi no worries 03:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6867 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , datelastseen is not imported from marc file 03:49 druthb rangi: thanks for the push on Bug 6867. :) Glad to get that one whipped. 03:43 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6895] Diacritics in Pootle/po files are broken in source text <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6895> 03:41 * eythian is having no botluck today 03:41 wahanui eythian: excuse me? 03:41 eythian wahanui: you heard me 03:41 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian. 03:41 eythian no wahanui, \you heard me is <reply>Doesn't mean I was paying attention, $who 03:41 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian. 03:41 eythian wahanui: \you heard me is <reply>Doesn't mean I was paying attention, $who 03:41 wahanui eythian: huh? 03:41 eythian wahanui: you heard me 03:41 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:41 eythian wahanui: you heard me is <reply>Doesn't mean I was paying attention, $who 03:26 eythian :) 03:26 rangi ta 03:26 rangi that works :) 03:26 eythian compose-e-' 03:26 rangi cut and paste 03:26 eythian like that 03:26 eythian � 03:26 rangi an e with one 03:26 rangi how do a i type an acute 03:25 rangi hmm 03:24 eythian hiya 03:24 eythian hrm 03:24 * druthb waves to rangi and eythian 03:24 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:24 eythian wahanui: literal \where is he 03:24 eythian odd 03:24 wahanui well, he is gone again 03:24 eythian where is he 03:24 wahanui he is gone again 03:24 eythian where is he? 03:24 wahanui he is gone again 03:24 eythian where is he? 03:24 wahanui OK, eythian. 03:24 eythian wahanui: \where \is he is also <reply>He \is INSIDE the computer! 03:17 rangi yeah 03:15 eythian http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/10/04/searching-for-mark-pilgrim/ <-- Mark "Dive Into *" Pilgrim seems to have pulled a _why. 03:13 rangi heya druthb 03:01 druthb hi, mtj. :D 03:01 mtj heya druthb 02:59 druthb o/ 02:56 mtj spread the aroha round... 02:55 rangi oh cool 02:55 mtj Koha repo on bitbucket -> https://bitbucket.org/koha/koha/overview 01:22 rangi sleep well 01:22 rangi :) 01:21 chris_n2 ok, off to sleep so I can stay awake during the meeting in a few hours :-) 00:55 rangi figured :) 00:55 chris_n2 too busy 00:55 rangi heya chris_n2 :) hows things? 00:55 chris_n2 heya rangi 00:53 rangi mtj: i concur 00:30 mtj its very relevant to the Koha project 00:30 mtj rangi: yeah, thats my favourite bit too