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23:58 wizzyrea wonder if they would...
23:58 wizzyrea hmm
23:58 jcamins Bibliocommons.
23:57 wizzyrea iluinar?
23:57 wizzyrea who
23:57 jcamins Wish they'd share their solr configuration.
23:54 wizzyrea keke
23:53 jcamins Yep.
23:53 jcamins Scroll just right and you can make the buttons at the top flicker in a seizure-inducing fashion.
23:53 wizzyrea oh are you looking at iluminar?
23:53 jcamins Ooh, love the fading!
23:52 jcamins Hey... I've seen these icons before.
23:52 wizzyrea and while it crashes your computer with poorly programmed flash
23:52 wizzyrea yes
23:52 jcamins Wait while it loads?
23:51 wizzyrea it's abysmal
23:51 wizzyrea we can learn how NOT to do it by looking at autographics' illuminar
23:51 wizzyrea yeap
23:50 jcamins But boy does it make a difference.
23:50 wizzyrea ya
23:50 jcamins Other than the social stuff, a lot of the formatting could be done with CSS.
23:49 wizzyrea mhm
23:49 jcamins NYPL just adopted Bibliocommons.
23:49 jcamins We sure do.
23:48 wizzyrea we really need to work on our opac
23:48 wizzyrea it is
23:48 jcamins From a user's point of view.
23:48 jcamins It looks surprisingly nice.
23:47 wizzyrea and I know someone who works there
23:47 wizzyrea a library in our system (not a nexpress library) uses it
23:47 wizzyrea e
23:47 wizzyrea i hav
23:41 jcamins Don't everyone answer at once.
23:36 jcamins Has anyone ever heard of BiblioCommons before?
22:56 eythian ah yep
22:56 jcamins Also, my EC2 server's running Lucid at the moment, so Puppet needs to handle it.
22:52 eythian ah, a good plan then :)
22:49 jcamins If it works on Lucid, which requires a list of special cases as long as my arm, that means that I'm starting to understand what I'm doing. ;)
22:48 eythian terrible! I mean, great! :)
22:48 jcamins On Lucid, no less!
22:48 rangi schweet
22:48 eythian awesomecross :)
22:48 jcamins eythian: I got Puppet to install Koha. :D
22:30 rangi :)
22:29 eythian I didn't see mtj spill anything either
22:28 wizzyrea can't be counted on.
22:28 wizzyrea but your barmates...
22:28 wizzyrea just sayin... YOU might not spill the beer
22:28 eythian It would be, yeah
22:27 jcamins That seems like a shameful waste.
22:27 eythian Only heathens spill beer
22:27 eythian I tend not to spill beer.
22:27 rangi hehe
22:25 wizzyrea works on vomit :P
22:25 wizzyrea you could put your transformer in a ziploc bag, that way drunken fllailing is guaranteed not to spill beer on it
22:25 * jcamins has all his meetings with wine, but the idea is the same. ;)
22:24 * jcamins agrees.
22:24 wizzyrea I suppose you're right
22:24 eythian with a pint is really the only way to do meetings :)
22:24 rangi :)
22:23 wizzyrea that would have been amusing
22:22 eythian well had I remembered I could have just IRCed from there.
22:22 wizzyrea keke
22:22 rangi he made it back for the last half of the meeting at least :)
22:22 rangi hehe
22:21 eythian he's one to talk :)
22:21 rangi chris_n2 ;)
22:21 rangi eythian: mtj told us of your drunken escapades
22:18 chris_n2 my particular form of insanity has struck again ;-)
22:17 chris_n2 rangi: I'll fix it in the morning; dmake is happy again
22:13 eythian yeah, I clean forgot about that too
22:09 Irma sorry I missed the Koha meeting yesterday
22:09 Irma G'day rangi
22:09 rangi git mv oughta fix that chris_n2 :)
22:08 rangi hi Irma
22:05 chris_n2 based on the naming pattern I think it should be 'archivalDVD.gif'
22:04 chris_n2 actually, that looks to be a typo
22:03 eythian chris_n2: spaces in filenames are fine, but they somtimes require special handling and are often best avoided.
22:03 chris_n2 if there are no objections, I'll send along a patch to replace the space with an underscore
22:03 chris_n2 and it sends dmake (win32) into a tail spin
22:03 chris_n2 archival lDVD.gif
22:02 chris_n2 but here is one: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tree;f=koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/img/itemtypeimg/Seshat;h=429d7cd836fe78135b1ad9a196fdd2a8fc380850;hb=HEAD
22:02 * chris_n2 did not think that spaces in file names were legal
22:00 eythian ah right
22:00 jcamins Wait, idzebra is not in lucid. It's in maverick.
21:59 jcamins Errr...
21:59 eythian yeah, but what version?
21:59 eythian not sure exactly
21:59 jcamins eythian: ah. idzebra is in Lucid.
21:59 eythian jcamins: idzebra, or something like that
21:58 jcamins Which package was it required for?
21:58 chris_n2 naughty space in a filename
21:57 jcamins Cool. I'll move that to the Ubuntu Lucid-only section of my Puppet config.
21:57 rangi heh
21:56 eythian rangi: heliosphere
21:56 jcamins Ah.
21:56 rangi it might be in the multiverse or cosmos or whatever the hell they call it
21:56 eythian debian had an out of date one, but just before release they updated it.
21:56 jcamins_away rangi: never mind, eythian answered.
21:56 rangi yeah maybe only lucid
21:56 eythian heh was just answering that
21:56 eythian jcamins_away: I'm not sure about Lucid, but in Debian it's not necessary
21:56 jcamins_away rangi: in what cases does one need to add the IndexData apt repository for installing Koha from packages?
21:55 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
21:55 eythian @later tell nengard your computer's clock is about 3 days out of date, just fyi
21:55 talljoy lol
21:55 talljoy i'll probably need it.
21:54 rangi good luck
21:51 talljoy thanks
21:51 talljoy ok. will try that.
21:50 rangi should help you find it in the db
21:50 rangi then you should get a line in the error log with the title in it
21:50 rangi f ($titletype eq 'a') {
21:50 rangi just before the
21:50 rangi warn "title of dodgy record is $title";
21:49 rangi do a
21:49 rangi line 1219
21:49 rangi its a record that doesnt have an 008
21:49 rangi $pubyear = substr $record->field('008')->data(), 7, 4;
21:48 talljoy yes
21:48 rangi this is master right?
21:48 rangi 2 secs ill do a snippet of code for ya
21:48 rangi or better
21:48 rangi before line 1220
21:47 rangi C4/Biblio.pm
21:47 rangi is put a warn in
21:47 talljoy all ears, here.
21:47 rangi what id do
21:47 talljoy that's the 6 million dollar question
21:47 talljoy lol
21:47 talljoy which is?
21:47 rangi yeah so its the next one in the set :)
21:46 talljoy http://pastebin.com/8bt2kkd7
21:46 talljoy and it returns a number of marc records and then after the last one pfffft. quits
21:46 talljoy was running this command from the commandline... perl $PERL5LIB/opac/opac-search.pl q='french'
21:45 talljoy how can i see what is being returned if i only get an error in the opac?
21:44 rangi oen with a zillion items
21:44 rangi or it could be a really long record
21:44 rangi one in the first 20 returned
21:44 talljoy only takes one, i suppose.
21:44 talljoy they have pretty straightforward callnumbers, don't know if that's it
21:42 jcamins_away I have no idea why that's an issue, maybe sekjal can explain, but that screws things up majorly.
21:41 jcamins_away Yeah.
21:41 jcamins_away (if you have a limited number of possibilities it could be.
21:41 talljoy in the callnumber?
21:41 jcamins_away talljoy: look for a record with UTF-8 in the call number.
21:41 * rangi too
21:41 * talljoy wishes marc really was dead.
21:41 rangi a bad marcxml
21:40 talljoy thought so. any ideas on how to track it down?
21:40 rangi usually
21:40 rangi yup
21:40 talljoy is that referring to some bad marc?
21:40 talljoy i am getting a "software error" when running a keyword search from the opac. Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /home/load11/kohaclone/C4/Biblio.pm line 1220.
21:40 rangi sup talljoy ?
21:40 talljoy hi all!
21:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6977 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Support for repeated subfields when importing an authority into a biblio record field.
21:28 jcamins_away bug 6977
21:13 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6979] LDAP authentication fails during password comparison <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6979>
20:38 chris_n2 its amazing where emoticons pop up
20:38 rangi heh true
20:37 chris_n2 heh
20:37 chris_n2 we probably should remove H::T::P as a dependency in 3.6
20:35 rangi lets just reinvent everything, including the terms
20:35 rangi what is wrong with those kuali people
20:34 rangi community source?
20:34 rangi y
20:34 rangi seriousl
20:34 rangi hmm thursday alreday
20:27 cait bye magnus_away :)
20:27 * magnuse calls it a day
20:26 magnuse hiya Tyree!
20:26 Tyree ah good to know......
20:25 cait hint: you can bribe rangi with chocolate and cookies
20:25 cait hi Tyree :)
20:23 Tyree Hi ya!
20:23 rangi just showing her round
20:22 paul_p_ thanks !
20:22 rangi paul_p_: fixed
20:22 rangi Tyree has just started at catalyst, she is gonna be bossing me and robin around
20:21 rangi doh, i cant believe i typoed that
20:18 paul_p_ rangi, my name is Poulain, not poulan (cf the news on k-c.org) + we usually spell BibLibre (not Biblibre)
20:15 rangi :)
20:14 magnuse blocking cookies?
20:11 * oleonard quits before he gets into any more trouble
20:11 magnuse lol
20:10 rangi heh
20:10 * oleonard sends an in-depth, well-argued, meticulously-documented answer
20:10 rangi heh oleonard did :)
20:09 rangi email about 3.8 away
20:09 rangi im not touching that best ils email :)
20:07 chris_n k, time to head home
20:06 rangi random message to the mailing list
20:06 rangi incoming
20:06 * cait should have known that
20:06 rangi sweet
20:06 * chris_n posted the new channel info to the list
20:05 rangi looks like cookies was the way to get ppl to talk on the mailing list ;)
20:05 rangi heh
20:05 * chris_n gets a kick out of huginn's news announcement: "New commit(s) kohanews:"
20:04 magnuse yay!
20:04 rangi done
20:04 * rangi fixes
20:04 * rangi makes stuff up
20:04 rangi we do that
20:04 rangi thats nz english
20:03 cait finally :)
20:03 cait oh cookies on themailing list
20:03 magnuse rangi: this is nitpicking, but there seems to be two spaces here: "ownership of**a section"
20:03 rangi ill email the list too now
20:03 magnuse moahahah
20:03 rangi let the tweeting commence
20:03 cait why did noone stop me? :)
20:03 magnuse hehe
20:03 rangi lol busy cait
20:03 * cait feels like it finally sinks in
20:02 cait I actually volunteered to have 2 roles
20:02 cait ok
20:02 rangi hows that now?
20:02 rangi :)
20:02 magnuse many eyeballs etc ;-)
20:01 cait comma after druart
20:01 magnuse in the last sentence
20:01 rangi ta
20:01 magnuse ownership of [a] section
20:01 chris_n did someone say the word 'volunteer'?
20:01 cait rangi++
20:01 rangi yeah ill update it to say that
20:00 magnuse hehe
20:00 rangi :)
20:00 rangi sshhh
20:00 magnuse i think chris_n only volunteered if no one else volunteers before 3.6 is released?
20:00 * rangi fixes
20:00 rangi i fail
20:00 rangi ohh bad grammar in first sentence
19:59 rangi http://koha-community.org/koha-3-8-0-release-team-elected/
19:59 rangi proof read please
19:55 rangi awesome!
19:55 maximep rangi: thanks =). Yeah and we have a few more patches coming up soon!
19:52 rangi i agree magnuse
19:51 magnuse hoiw does that saying go? "be lenient in what data you consume and strict in what data you produce" or something? the norwegian national library is harvesting records and being very picky about what data should go where... they ought to be able to transform it themselves, i think
19:50 f18 the old ISIS system is dumb, because there was only the simplest way of book management and nothing more
19:48 f18 slef: thank you for your answer and sorry for my late response. But the records have the 952 tag, because I created it manually.
19:46 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6978] Notify the user on his account page when it is almost expired. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6978>
19:44 magnuse yay!
19:41 * rangi will write a blog post on koha-community and email links to it
19:40 magnuse moahaha
19:40 rangi dangit
19:40 * rangi realises that by asking he probably just volunteered
19:40 rangi so who is gonna write up the election results?
19:39 rangi some good stuff coming from libéo
19:39 magnuse and just the one who asked is benefiting from the answer
19:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6978 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Notify the user on his account page when it is almost expired.
19:38 rangi oh i like bug 6978
19:38 magnuse yeah, that's a bit of a shame
19:38 rangi so its less obvious that people are getting answers
19:38 rangi see thats the problem too, ppl answer offlist
19:38 oleonard magnuse: I just got onto the fulfillment-general list and it doesn't look like there's been any posts since Nov. 2010
19:37 magnuse got a direct one from texas too!
19:37 magnuse yay
19:35 rangi woo darla answered go alaska!
19:33 * magnuse hates grammar, loves english... ;-)
19:32 * magnuse 's eyes glaze over...
19:31 oleonard English suffers from the lack of a second person plural pronoun
19:31 rangi heh
19:30 magnuse or did you mean daft? ;-)
19:30 magnuse oleonard: how was that deft?
19:30 magnuse i have tried to join the mailinglist several times, but i never get the promised confirmation message
19:29 rangi heh
19:27 * oleonard applaud's magnuse's deft use of "y'all" in his list message
19:25 * oleonard wonders why the mailing list archive is private
19:25 * oleonard was just asked about that yesterday
19:23 magnuse someone might want to update http://fulfillment-ill.org/ a little - "When completed in about two years" - just sayin' ;-)
19:22 magnuse gmcharlt++
19:21 chris_n huginn++
19:21 chris_n nice
19:21 rangi cool
19:21 rangi hmm will someone answer magnuse I wonder ;)
19:21 gmcharlt ok, it should now be set up to announce website posts in #koha-news on FreeNode
19:20 magnuse yay
19:20 chris_n very
19:20 rangi cool :)
19:19 huginn gmcharlt: community.org/koha-3-4-2/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 6: June 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-6-june-2011/>
19:19 gmcharlt @more
19:19 huginn gmcharlt: Dates for 3.6.0 <http://koha-community.org/key-dates-3-6-0/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 7: July 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-7-july-2011/> / Koha 3.4.3 is now available <http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-3/> / KohaCon11 – programme ideas wanted <http://koha-community.org/kohacon11-programme-ideas-wanted/> / Koha 3.4.2 is now available <http://koha- (1 more message)
19:19 gmcharlt @more
19:19 huginn gmcharlt: Koha 3.4.5 is now available <http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-5/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 9: September 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-9-september-2011/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 8: August 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-8-august-2011/> / Koha 3.4.4 is now available <http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-4/> / Key (2 more messages)
19:19 gmcharlt @kohanews
19:17 ropuch There was third option to uploading file in pootle (beside Merge & add conflict as suggestions and Add all new traslation aas suggestion), right?
19:17 cait hi chris_n :)
19:14 * chris_n greets cait
19:04 cait :)
19:04 magnus_afk guten abend cait
19:04 rangi hi cait
19:03 cait hi all :)
19:02 * magnus_afk saw someone mentioning it in the scrollback...
18:58 rangi I was just trying to remember the name of it last night!
18:58 rangi how did the halva discussion come up?
18:54 * magnus_afk has 2 kinds of halva in his fridge
18:52 rangi hopefully im wrong
18:52 rangi I suspect not
18:52 rangi would have to look at the code
18:52 rangi right I guess we could page through them all?
18:52 oleonard I guess the question is whether you can pass a limit to the search and get only page two of the results
18:51 oleonard warn $numresults; -> 759
18:51 oleonard Well the z39.50 search definitely returns more than 20 results
18:42 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6975] OPACBaseURL called as OPACBaseurl in many templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6975>
18:38 slef bbl
18:38 slef f18: if not, use something to edit the file to map whatever you do have (852 most often; sometimes 942 or 999) to 952.
18:38 slef f18: check if your ISIS export has any 952 tags. 9xx fields are local use, layout specific to Koha.
18:32 rangi i know it probaby returns more results than it shows
18:32 rangi im not sure
18:31 oleonard Is it true that there *are* additional pages of search results?
18:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5044 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , should be able to page through z39.50 search results
18:31 oleonard Bug 5044
18:25 chris_n wajasu: the topic for that channel does that
18:19 f18 *too
18:19 f18 hi everyone! I'd like to import MARC21 records from an old ISIS-system and succeed, but I cannot find my records afterwards in the search/catalogue. I guess there is a problem with the 952 tag (LOCATION AND ITEM INFORMATION), because after the import I can "open" the record and view the tags (under the button "import this batch into the catalog") ... but 952 is missing? if my question is to weired, please tell me.
18:16 slef http://skoulikas.com/sesame.htm is the better one
18:14 sekjal jcamins_away: 6977 looks up your alley
18:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6977] Support for repeated subfields when importing an authority into a biblio record field. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6977>
18:08 slef Halva is nice, prefer to avoid the stuff from occupied territories that is on sale in the UK.
17:34 rhcl time to get back to MLA
17:33 * jcamins_away leaves for real this time.
17:33 jcamins_away Mostly very tasty.
17:33 jcamins_away There are tons of varieties, though.
17:33 jcamins_away (I can't find pictures of the latter two)
17:33 jcamins_away The balls with sesame seeds on them.
17:33 jcamins_away Semolina halva.
17:30 jcamins_away Tahini halva with pistachio.
17:30 jcamins_away (there are some pictures)
17:29 jcamins_away http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halva
17:29 rhcl here we go
17:29 jcamins_away The traditional varieties are...
17:29 rhcl see, what'd I tell ya?
17:28 jcamins_away Actually, that's just the Arabic word for candy.
17:28 jcamins_away Mmmm. Halwa.
17:28 rhcl Wolfram Alpha tells me EggD is 9�F below the optimal temperature for eating halavah. And jcamins is the Wolfram Alpha of food who can tell us what the heck halavah is. Firefox needs a jcamins search engine plugin.
17:24 huginn slef: The current temperature in Bicester, United Kingdom is 18.0�C (6:05 PM BST on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Falling).
17:24 slef @wunder EgBT
17:24 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found.
17:24 slef @wunder EgBV
17:23 huginn slef: The current temperature in Edinburgh Airport, United Kingdom is 15.0�C (5:50 PM BST on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady).
17:23 slef @wunder EgPH
17:21 huginn slef: The current temperature in Bristol Airport, United Kingdom is 16.0�C (5:50 PM BST on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
17:21 slef @wunder EggD
17:20 huginn collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 22.8�C (1:18 PM EDT on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1025.6 hPa (Rising).
17:20 collum @wunder 41017
17:19 slef I actually think this is worse than facebook. At least people sign up for facebook, even if they have trouble resigning from it.
17:18 slef evil buggers creating pseuds for people without asking, trying to track us.
17:18 slef I get ranty about that. Freedom of association is a human right, including freedom not to associate.
17:14 slef I remember https://launchpad.net/~slef https://launchpad.net/~mjr and I think there are other accounts for me there, only one of which admits it's an autocreate. I don't remember what it does if you contact me through launchpad on any of them.
17:12 magnuse slef: noted
17:12 oleonard slef: sysprefs.sql sets the default minimum password length to 3
17:12 slef launchpad is bad because it creates accounts for developers without their consent, without telling them, without any way to opt out.
17:11 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
17:11 magnuse @later tell jcamins https://launchpad.net/~koha
17:11 slef boo launchpad
17:11 magnuse jcamins_away: here: https://launchpad.net/~koha PPAs for Stable and Development
17:10 slef yeah, but by default
17:10 oleonard the length of the suggested password is defined by your minimum password length system pref
17:10 slef oleonard: aren't they only 4-chars?
17:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5280 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Fix password field in members.pl so that the password is masked as it is entered
17:07 * oleonard is considering doing away with it in conjunction with changes related to Bug 5280
17:02 oleonard does anyone actually use the randomly generated password suggestions when updating a password?
17:01 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
17:01 jcamins @later tell eythian Is there any instance in which it is necessary to add the IndexData apt repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, or is that just stale information at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages?
17:01 magnuse i'm trying to find the link i'm thinking of...
17:01 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Lucid_using_Koha_packages
17:00 magnuse which instructions?
17:00 jcamins magnuse: yeah, but the instructions for installing the packages on Lucid say to add the apt line.
16:59 jcamins Hm. idzebra is on Lucid, too.
16:59 magnuse rangi has some packages for ubuntu...
16:58 jcamins Must just be on Lucid?
16:58 jcamins magnuse: oh...
16:57 magnuse jcamins: i don't think you have to worry about indexdata when you install from packages?
16:55 jcamins Well, it doesn't hurt anything to have that apt line in there, anyway.
16:54 jcamins Or just older versions?
16:54 jcamins Do you have to do that for all versions of Debian and Ubuntu?
16:53 wizzyrea prominent
16:53 wizzyrea you can make that online access link more prominint
16:53 wizzyrea and especially since we can now modify the css for xslt in opacusercss
16:53 jcamins Wait... when do you need to add the IndexData apt line?
16:52 wizzyrea you download it :P
16:52 wizzyrea there is a copy available for reference
16:52 wizzyrea yea i'm not sure how to deal with that exactly -- technically that's correct
16:52 magnuse yup, i know ;-)
16:52 oleonard Of course paul_p_ has been with us longer than Biblibre has existed
16:51 wizzyrea later paul_p
16:51 magnuse but happy birthday biblibre, anyway! and wow, that means biblibre was just 1 year old when i started to get involved with koha
16:51 paul_p_ so, good bye everybody & see you tomorrow !
16:50 nengard_lunch maybe we need the authorized value to show on the results instead of the string 'reference'
16:50 paul_p_ magnuse, lol
16:50 magnuse paul_p_: probably a mixed blessing kind of a gift ;-)
16:50 nengard_lunch that's what she meant
16:50 nengard_lunch yup
16:50 nengard_lunch Copies available for reference: NEKLS HQ [eBook] (1).
16:50 wizzyrea copies available for reference
16:50 wizzyrea ah yea the same
16:50 oleonard http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=jane+eyre+gutenberg&limit=
16:50 nengard_lunch wizzyrea what does it say on the search reuslts
16:50 wizzyrea of download
16:49 wizzyrea yea, it's a not for loan value
16:49 magnuse jcamins: ah sorry, i was connecting your utterances the wrong way... congrats!
16:49 paul_p_ thx jcamins to remind me that it's BibLibre 4th birthday those days. Should I consider having been choosen as next RM as a birthday gift ? (Is it a gift at all in fact ?)
16:49 wizzyrea let me see how she did that
16:49 wizzyrea status "download:
16:48 jcamins magnuse: no, I got it working. :)
16:48 wizzyrea for example
16:48 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=464981
16:48 paul_p_ time to leave... bye & see you tomorrow (my) morning !
16:48 magnuse jcamins: you'll get it right next time!
16:48 wizzyrea it's not reference, it's electronic
16:47 wizzyrea so you have a dummy item
16:47 jcamins rhcl: not nearly.
16:47 jcamins It has not. Not that this would have been wasted effort, anyway. Understanding what I'm doing is always a good thing.
16:47 * wizzyrea checks
16:47 wizzyrea or something
16:47 wizzyrea of "electronic"
16:47 wizzyrea nengard: i think NEKLS solved that with a new authorized value
16:45 magnuse i'm having trouble importing patrons - does anyone know off hand if Tools > Import Patrons handles windows line endings properly or not?
16:45 * jcamins checks the Ubuntu website, more-than-half-expecting to find that that Lucid has been replaced as the LTS.
16:44 rhcl jcamins is a puppet master then?
16:43 magnuse yay!
16:43 jcamins Woohoo! I think I just got Puppet to install Koha on Ubuntu Lucid from the packages!
16:41 magnuse and free software has some benefits that are far from philosophical
16:41 magnuse hehe
16:40 slef if you don't believe in sharing information on a philosophical level, why become a librarian?
16:39 slef worth stealing the quote rhcl mentined but bleah at the one magnuse gave
16:29 oleonard It could have easily been "Evaluating software" and talked about the factors which should be considered when evaluating proprietary *and* open source software.
16:27 oleonard Not much to that article.
16:26 magnuse "I�m still a big believer in open source software, but I don�t want to see libraries choosing software solely for philosophical reasons."
16:25 magnuse yay, thanks!
16:24 nengard Farkas, Meredith. ?Open Source, Open Mind.? American Libraries. Technology in Practice (September 27, 2011). http://americanlibrariesmagazine.org/columns/practice/open-source-open-mind.
16:24 rhcl magnuse: don't know, let me see if they have a link.
16:24 rhcl Quote: "Some open source projects, like Koha, have a strong community of open source developers who are improving the code..."
16:23 magnuse is it online?
16:23 rhcl Interesting article by Meredith Farkas in the Sept/Oct issue of American Libraries--ostensibly advocating OSS and mentioning Koha, but then quasi-promoting proprietary software "if it's better"
16:16 oleonard I'm not sure how you define the conditions under which the availability doesn't show
16:15 nengard right they don't want it to say 'reference'
16:14 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&idx=kw&idx=kw&limit=mc-ccode%3ADNLD&sort_by=relevance&do=Search
16:13 oleonard nengard: In the XSL view we get a "connect to title online" link, but we also have a "copies available for reference" line because we have a dummy item attached
16:12 oleonard that's an issue we face as well
16:12 jcamins Ah.
16:11 nengard the user has ebooks listed as 'not for loan' and so they say copies available for reference - i thought there was something about not showing 'no items available' and showing the link fro the 856 (I know that's a bit different but it was related)
16:10 nengard sorry - distracted
16:07 jcamins nengard: what are you trying to do?
16:06 nengard not sure ?
16:06 jcamins Ooh, IndexData's gpg key is about to expire.
16:02 jcamins nengard: you mean AlternateHoldings?
16:01 nengard hello all, i'm vaguely remembering a bug report (enhancement) about the availablilty note on the search results for online materials ? does anyone know the bug number on this?
15:58 reiveune bye
15:56 magnuse i'll write an intro to the mail list or the newsletter when i get the time...
15:55 slef magnuse: interesting. Thanks. I'll mention it sometime.
15:54 oakivil thanks yous
15:54 oakivil ok
15:53 jcamins oakivil: MARC authority records.
15:53 oakivil What kind of data*
15:53 oakivil What kind of daat does the bulkauthimport.pl eat?
15:53 oakivil Hello #Koha
15:52 * slef fires up the fish
15:52 magnuse http://www.bibliotekforum.no/article.php?id=2654 an article from one of the online library journals
15:50 magnuse not much there yet
15:50 magnuse donum.no
15:50 magnuse well, almost...
15:50 slef got link?
15:50 slef no, missed that while I was off ill!
15:49 magnuse did you hear norway got it's koha/free software for libraries organization about a week ago, and it's a co-op?
15:48 slef I think it's something like 10% of our resources went on that last year... in Italy, there's a legal requirement for co-ops to help co-ops but it's only 3% I think.
15:47 slef I think that's what it's for, anyway. Someone says to us "help co-ops?" and we often say "yes."
15:46 slef all the main political parties here say they love co-ops, including the coalition partners, but we've seen little support yet
15:46 magnuse ah
15:46 slef some co-op political promo I think
15:45 magnuse and what's the publication?
15:45 slef touch-typing doesn't mean I can spell.
15:45 magnuse hehe
15:45 slef the
15:45 slef (they letters are half-worn away)
15:45 slef heh, if you zoom in on the bamboo keyboard you can tell I touch type! ;-)
15:44 slef laptop keyboard is unavoidable, phone keyboard is for texting, bamboo keyboard is for when I'm only typing, cykey is for when I'm editing
15:43 magnuse ah, that should be ok then ;-)
15:42 slef magnuse: you can't see the fourth one because I'm in the way
15:42 magnuse btw: sure you have enough keyboards around?
15:42 slef photosharing websites defeat me
15:42 magnuse hehe
15:42 slef bleah
15:42 slef oh that's no better
15:41 slef oh and the i.
15:41 slef 3mb download oops. Delete the .jpg for a preview I think
15:40 magnuse slef: yay!
15:36 slef [off] http://i.imgur.com/uhVQz.jpg publicity shot of me for new publication
15:26 wizzyrea sorry :(
15:26 magnus_afk can't catch 'em all...
15:26 sekjal let this be a lesson: this is what happens when you rush testing
15:25 sekjal yeah, I should have done a better job QAing that
15:25 oleonard ...the patch of unintended consequences...
15:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data
15:19 wizzyrea bug 6576
15:18 sekjal I'm asking the original developer of bugfix 6576
15:17 * oleonard has no idea
15:15 sekjal not sure what the side effects are, though
15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6974 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 Leader plugin no longer auto-fills the 000 field
15:15 sekjal oleonard: commenting out line 1041 of cataloguing/addbiblio.pl seems to fix bug 6974
15:10 magnus_afk yay!
15:09 paul_p_ french 100% done !
15:09 paul_p_ strike : http://translate.koha-community.org/fr/34/ thx fredericd for taking care of what was still pending !!!
15:08 sekjal paul_p_: yes, it's in the queue for QA
15:08 paul_p_ sekjal, have you seen my mail about "fines in days" patch waiting for QA ? PLEASE QA it !
15:07 paul_p_ pfiou... 5PM here, and I haven't started what I wanted to do today (except irc meeting)
15:07 sekjal ugh, no, that default 000 value was in there the whole time; the patch only altered the way the params were called
15:07 jcamins I'm not sure why I didn't think of it immediately, but sometimes it takes a moment.
15:06 jcamins Yeah, after a moment I realized how to do it. :)
15:03 slef for completeness
15:03 slef jcamins: if ($moo =~ m/^${stem}/) { ... }
15:02 jcamins Actually, never mind.
15:01 jcamins Okay... anyone know how to check if a string *starts* with another string in Perl?
15:00 sekjal TransformHTMLtoMARC getting called too early, thus creating a value, thus preventing the JS from working as intended
14:59 sekjal now that TransformHTMLtoMARC creates a default 000, perhaps it's an order of operations issue
14:59 sekjal ...idea
14:54 oleonard after: 00848 a2200313 4500
14:54 oleonard before: 00848nam a2200313 4500
14:54 oleonard After saving the existing record, the 000 field is similar to but not exactly what it was before
14:54 oleonard I made a note of the value of 000 in the existing record, then copied the auto-filled spaces from the blank record into the existing one
14:53 oleonard sekjal: Here's a test I just did. I opened both an existing record and a blank record for editing
14:49 sekjal oleonard: yes
14:49 oleonard Ah, I see... if you clear the field and click back into it?
14:49 oleonard Overwrites the existing data?
14:48 sekjal I'm also finding that it auto-fills if I EDIT a record (just not if I create a new one)
14:48 * oleonard didn't think it did... will test again
14:44 sekjal oleonard: the 000 field does seem to correctly generate on save
14:38 jcamins wizzyrea: ewww. I'm sorry.
14:38 wizzyrea yes, yes I did.
14:38 jcamins wizzyrea: did you just try this?
14:38 oleonard Man, Jane's Addiction played a terrible set at vomitpalooza.
14:37 trea checking now ;)
14:37 trea that was my next step jcamins, before vomitpalooza
14:36 wizzyrea problem solved.
14:36 wizzyrea the good news: it still works inside a ziploc bag.
14:36 wizzyrea the bad news, the kid puked on the tablet
14:36 wizzyrea getting puke on your tablet won't kill it
14:36 wizzyrea the good news, for you parents with tablets
14:33 kf bye all :)
14:32 wajasu chris_n: maybe someone can set the topic on the freenode koha to point them to connect to the irc.oftc.net koha.
14:32 wizzyrea I think this has something to do with the layout or the template
14:28 jcamins trea: have you checked whether the behavior is the same on Master?
14:21 trea I've checked the callnumbers of both items in question, and they are exactly the same. So i'm inclined to believe it may have something to do with the template as you've suggested.
14:20 trea http://screencast.com/t/tjM7k74vaC0T
14:18 trea stand by
14:18 wizzyrea (how is it doing it wrong)
14:18 wizzyrea what's the question
14:17 wizzyrea as it's marked fixed
14:17 wizzyrea but that may not be your issue
14:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3120 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Dewey call numbers not splitting correctly on spine labels
14:17 wizzyrea bug 3120
14:16 wizzyrea the label template
14:15 trea k
14:15 wizzyrea that *might* have to do with the template
14:15 wizzyrea 1s
14:15 wizzyrea hmm, possibly
14:15 trea adding too many spaces or anything like that?
14:15 trea anyone seen a bug with the label creator not splitting callnumbers correctly?
14:13 * oleonard tested in IE8
14:12 sekjal works on Chromium 12, too
14:11 sekjal at least, on FF7
14:11 sekjal okay, it works
14:10 sekjal whoops
14:09 oleonard did you shift-reload to make sure your basket.js was updated?
14:09 sekjal oleonard: still cannot log out
14:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6974 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 Leader plugin no longer auto-fills the 000 field
14:07 * oleonard files Bug 6974
14:06 sekjal thanks, oleonard, was just reading
14:05 oleonard Try that sekjal
14:05 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6970] logout not redirecting to login page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6970>
13:51 clrh hello magnuse and all
13:45 trea magnuse, hi. o/
13:45 magnuse hiya clrh and trea
13:39 sekjal yes, a logoutBasket function, the same but for those two lines, would be a way to solve it
13:36 * oleonard will tinker
13:36 oleonard It doesn't mean we couldn't have a different function tied to logout
13:36 oleonard Yeah, commenting out those lines breaks the "empty and close" option in the cart
13:33 sekjal oleonard: sure will
13:33 oleonard sekjal: Are you willing to look at our leader auto-fill problem?
13:33 sekjal my testing showed that commenting out the lines did allow logout, and anything in the Cart when I logged out was gone when I logged back in
13:32 sekjal yes, any testing you can do would be appreciated. Not being able to log out is... bad
13:32 oleonard That's off the top of my head, but I'd be happy to test if you'd like.
13:31 oleonard And the redirect to about:blank I thought might have been put there to ensure there was an http transaction to set the cookie?
13:30 oleonard the window.close() is used by the cart popup isn't it?
13:30 oleonard I don't think we can just remove those lines if that's what you mean
13:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , logout not redirecting to login page
13:29 sekjal oleonard: do you have any comments on bug 6970?
13:29 oleonard Soon we will control the horizontal and the vertical
13:29 kf cool :)
13:27 chris_n we also control #koha on freenode now as a backup in case anyone missed the earlier announcement
13:27 chris_n mtj++
13:25 magnuse mtj++
13:25 mtj if anyone wants admin access...? ping me ;)
13:25 mtj http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Koha-f3047917.subapps.html
13:24 mtj ... and will hopefully sort an historic mail-import very soon :)
13:23 mtj http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/
13:23 mtj fyi: we now have admin access again - on the nabble Koha lists
13:19 magnuse yay
13:15 slef magnuse: http://www.solfest.org.uk too it seems
13:14 slef http://facet.me.uk/?p=246 is my favourite recent one
13:13 magnuse "solfest"? that's norwegian! ;-)
13:12 slef http://facet.me.uk/ is his personal homepage.
13:11 magnuse ah ha!
13:11 slef he's based in Edinburgh, which was part of the reason for proposing that city
13:11 magnuse ah, cool
13:11 magnuse (oops, accept the proposal, i mean)
13:10 slef another member of the co-op
13:10 magnuse mle?
13:10 magnuse i'm ready to propose a talk when you are ready to accept it ;-)
13:10 slef I like that step because mle is in charge of it. The later ones will be more work for me ;)
13:09 magnuse sounds like a good plan!
13:09 slef sure... first choice will be to nail down a venue to some dates
13:07 magnuse hehe, you can do it! ;-)
13:07 slef magnuse: scary!
13:05 magnuse slef: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 is all yours now ;-)
13:00 slef thd: see http://search.cpan.org/~shancock/Perl-Tidy-20101217/bin/perltidy#Line_Break_Control
12:59 thd ?
12:59 thd slef: what I meant is how are forced line breaks in an overly long line treated in terms of indentation or lack thereof.
12:59 magnuse slef: i don't see any harm in that
12:58 slef Wasn't the aim to start the 2013 process soon after kohacon 2011 has closed?
12:58 thd manguse: more vigorous discussion on the mailing list.
12:58 wizzyrea aight -- time to get ready 4 work nd stuffs
12:57 thd manguse: more lead time.
12:57 slef thd: 80 char I think
12:57 magnuse any suggestions for better publicizing?
12:57 oleonard We didn't have the whole Asian continent spreading the word ;)
12:56 thd oleonard: The ballot was not as well publicised as in the past and attracted few votes.
12:56 oleonard June would be fantastic for me: summer vacation for the family, they can all come along.
12:56 magnuse is looking forward to meeting oleonard and lots of other people
12:56 * oleonard is sad to miss two in a row
12:56 * magnuse does a little happydance
12:56 oleonard Excellent. I'm definitely trying to make that one.
12:55 thd oleonard: Yes overwhelmingly in favour of slef.
12:55 oleonard Oh slef, did you get the official nod for KohaCon 2012?
12:54 thd slef: how does the perl style treat long line wrapping?
12:54 slef go watch whatever pages you like
12:54 slef wiki pages updated
12:47 * Brooke can no longer resist the siren call of the nap
12:46 magnuse slef++
12:46 slef ok I'm linking the minutes
12:46 jcamins Brooke: ah. I thought it was at 5am EST for some reason.
12:45 Brooke and the bulk in like 2h.
12:45 Brooke 2.75 jcamins
12:45 mtj well done all, we got there in the end :)
12:45 jcamins Did the meeting really last 3:40, or did I have the start time confused?
12:44 magnuse hear hear
12:44 oleonard thanks to all who stayed up late or got up early for this monster meeting
12:43 magnuse yay - 2 and 3/4 hour!
12:43 slef thd: no comment ;-)
12:43 * thd is not sensibly awake now.
12:43 paul_p_ ok, have a good morning, good afternoon, good night, good TV, good lunch, good breakfast, good whatever !
12:42 slef thd: indeed. hard to be sensibly awake 2-4 and then 8-22
12:42 paul_p_ ++
12:42 huginn Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-10-05-10.00.log.html
12:42 huginn Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-10-05-10.00.txt
12:42 huginn Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-10-05-10.00.html
12:42 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct 5 12:41:42 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
12:42 Brooke #endmeeting
12:42 Brooke #agreed next meeting 16 November 2 UTC
12:42 Brooke going gone
12:42 thd slef: The hours would not conflict but I assume that your sleep would.
12:42 Brooke going twice
12:42 Brooke going noce
12:42 mtj paul_p_: omg - i am happy to reach a decision on this topic, thats all :)
12:41 Brooke 16 November 2 UTC
12:41 Brooke barring objections
12:41 slef but don't let that stop you
12:41 slef yeah, I won't make that. Big co-op planning meeting at 11 UTC, probably including kohacon2012
12:40 thd +1 16th
12:40 mtj paul_p_: just joking - i dont mind at all :)
12:40 paul_p_ 16th++ for me (not 9th pls, i'll be jet lagged !)
12:39 paul_p_ slef, yes :(((
12:39 Brooke given the pattern should be
12:39 slef is this the 2am UTC one?
12:39 Brooke that way it's after KohaCon?
12:39 Brooke how about 16thish Nov?
12:38 Brooke #topic time and date of next meeting
12:38 slef naughty no-one, double-voting
12:38 slef I think standings are: no-style: no-one; perlstyle: paul_p_, ColinC, slef, mtj; pbp: (some 2nd prefs); gnu: (some 2nd prefs); koha: no-one; (any style: oleonard, kf, sekjal, wizzyrea, jwagner)
12:38 mtj and perl-style it is!!!!!!
12:38 paul_p_ mtj, why omg ?
12:38 Brooke #agreed perl-style
12:37 mtj making perl-style the winner oMg?!?
12:37 paul_p_ ok, so all of you vote for the option that has the most votes already ;-)
12:37 magnuse any style so long as it's consistent is fine by me too
12:37 Brooke so then perl style has the most support, yes?
12:37 jwagner I'll go with any style if consistent
12:37 mtj ok, can i change to be perl-style? :p
12:37 wizzyrea any-consistent-style++
12:37 sekjal slef: yes, any style so long as it's consistent is fine by me
12:37 slef any more mistakes/omissions?
12:36 slef as is sekjal I think
12:36 kf yep
12:36 slef ok, so oleonard and kf are any-style
12:36 kf sorry for causing confusion
12:36 kf not no-style - I agree with any style as long it's consistent
12:36 slef kf: how?
12:36 kf slef: wrong
12:36 slef have I missed anyone?
12:36 Brooke if we come up with a survey for it
12:36 slef I think standings are: no-style: kf, jwagner; perlstyle: paul_p_, ColinC, slef; pbp: mtj (+some 2nd prefs); gnu: (some 2nd prefs); koha: no-one
12:36 kf but irc might not be the right place
12:36 Brooke ooh cool idea
12:36 mtj and the winner is.... ?
12:36 Brooke that's what we're trying to do kf
12:36 kf to vote? like for the conference?
12:35 kf ok, perhaps we have to have a vote about this? using a tool?
12:35 * kf is confused
12:35 thd However, I really do not mean no-style. I mean some other style.
12:35 mtj if not... could slef calculate the winner, please?
12:34 thd perl style second
12:34 thd no-style yet first
12:34 slef thd: that's another option that no-one has yet proposed. Anyone could have, but I assume it has no advocate.
12:34 mtj ok...... anyone else??
12:33 thd Brooke: none of the above would be a style which we have not yet considered. Some modified koha style.
12:33 slef thd: none of the above would be effectively for current practice, which we have to conclude from mtj's great work on the examples is no-style.
12:33 oleonard sekjal's point 2 is important considering the trouble whitespace changes cause patch comprehension
12:33 kf sekjal++
12:33 mtj slef: oops! :p
12:33 paul_p_ wizzyrea, lol, but so true !!!
12:33 thd Brooke: none of the above would not be no style.
12:33 sekjal I don't particular care what styling we use, so long as 1) it's consistent in each script (so incoming patches follow existing style), and 2) any style-only changes are independently submitted from functionality changes
12:33 slef heh, php
12:32 wizzyrea pick-and-dictate++
12:32 mtj php, then perl-style for me
12:32 oleonard some-style++, no-style--
12:32 Brooke thd a bunch have said no style
12:32 kf is my vote, don't know enough to compare, but I am all for consistency
12:32 kf not no-style ?
12:32 thd slef: I still think there is a none of the above missing.
12:32 paul_p_ perl-style++, then pbp
12:32 slef mtj: I'm taking this as an approval vote, seeing as no-one wants a preference vote.
12:32 Brooke he called for a preference
12:31 mtj slef: thats 2 votes love ;)
12:31 jwagner no-style++
12:31 slef (if we're going to do it approvalwise)
12:31 mtj ah, and option number 5 is ... no style!!!!!
12:31 slef gnu++
12:31 slef perl-style++
12:31 wahanui okay, thd.
12:31 thd I am also concerned that indentation styles which do not collapse in vim lead to overly long lines which cannot always be broken across multiple lines.
12:31 ColinC perl-style++
12:30 Brooke one for pbp if you've got a favourite style please mod it up so we can get out of here
12:30 mtj options are: pbp, perl-style, gnu/gcs, koha-style
12:30 paul_p_ slef++ for figuring out transition later
12:30 slef Figure out transition later.
12:30 kf don't have no decision
12:30 mtj pbp++
12:30 paul_p_ well, not sure until we don't know the options !
12:30 kf but make thing smoving
12:29 kf perhaps we should have a vote
12:29 slef I move we take a preference vote for a style now, Condorcet with IRV.
12:29 sekjal sorry, was afk
12:29 Brooke propose summat to vote on
12:29 jwagner what is the motion on the floor?
12:29 kf if we can't come to a decision here
12:29 mtj ... everyone ready to vote now?
12:29 ColinC thd++
12:29 paul_p_ sekjal, anytihng to say ?
12:29 thd I am a great advocate for consistency, however, I am concerned that systematic use of tidy without any other reason to modify a file will complicate tracing code changes.
12:29 * Brooke is subtle like a brick.
12:28 Brooke decide.
12:28 Brooke HINT
12:28 Brooke it's almost over owen
12:28 * oleonard boggles at the long meeting
12:28 slef I'd also need to tell it a method: Condorcet with IRC, UK Usenet and Schulze seem the most likely, but it might have your favourite.
12:28 paul_p_ ColinC, not everybody uses vim or emacs, & we want to lower the barriers !
12:27 slef Just a note: I have voteengine working here. I can evaluate a preference vote if you wish, but I'd need to give instructions on how to vote :)
12:26 ColinC paul_p you can filter lines via perltidy easy to do in vim and emacs
12:26 paul_p_ thd, I would say yes, (but don't ask why ;-) )
12:26 thd paul_p: Does consistency of indentation matter outside an individual file?
12:26 paul_p_ (ie: everything is blamed to the perltidy patch)
12:25 Brooke not a bad idea once a decade...
12:25 paul_p_ ColinC, not history, but make git blame being confused.
12:25 paul_p_ thd, that's my question
12:25 ColinC reformatting the entire code base loses history
12:25 paul_p_ ColinC, how can you run on changed lines only ?
12:25 paul_p_ Brooke, there were no rule for 10 years, so jwagner is right to ask. But I think it's good to have consistency though.
12:25 thd paul_p_: Will we be systematically reformatting the entire code base?
12:25 wizzyrea (and does tidying 40 lines of thousands make it better or worse?)
12:24 ColinC no you can run it on your changed lines only
12:24 thd paul_p_: I agree that consistency is important. However, how much consistency is important relative to other things.
12:24 paul_p_ sekjal, OK. But if I submit a patch of, say 40 lines, how can I perltidy those 40 lines only ? Should I send a patch updating all the script ?
12:24 Brooke jwagner: it will be if we continue not to act
12:24 mtj surely no-one disagrees on this basic point?!?
12:23 ColinC we should give some doc on how to use the tool
12:23 Brooke cause he's more knowledgeable
12:23 Brooke or what mtj said
12:23 jwagner I'm not really understanding why it's a problem. Consistency would be nice, but it is a crisis?
12:23 Brooke how about we recommend that developers use perlstyle
12:23 mtj ok, a vote on whether to use an offical perltidy style , please?
12:23 paul_p_ Koha is hard enough to hack already !!!
12:23 paul_p_ thd, not sure I agree with this idea. That's important to have consistency over coding style !
12:22 sekjal I'd prefer not to spend QA time reformatting style: it would be better if it were up to the individual developer to make any fixes necessary
12:22 slef get the documentation sorted, get most of us using it and then we can look at a requirement. Viva Do-ocracy!
12:22 thd paul_p: I remember a discussion at Koha-Con 2009 where gmcharlt seemed to wisely state something to the effect of not forcing people to use any one style of indentation etc. avoided unnecessary religious strife. Consistency within the file is more important.
12:22 Brooke aye naught wrong with a strong suggestion
12:22 slef Brooke: recommendation not requirement first I think.
12:21 jwagner mtj, but part of the policy has to be enforcement of some kind, doesn't it?
12:21 slef I'd vote: gnu > perlstyle > koha > no-style > pbp # though
12:21 Brooke we're trying to make it policy, yes?
12:21 mtj jwagner: lets cross that very distant bridge *after* we decide on an offiical style
12:21 ColinC I suggest we start first with a recommendation that people use it
12:21 slef Brooke: not policy though?
12:21 * paul_p_ think it's not a good idea in fact...
12:21 Brooke and I think it was in the way back, too
12:21 paul_p_ updating all scripts
12:21 Brooke it was over the mailing list slef
12:21 paul_p_ other option (dunno if it's a good one), have a big patch at the beginning of 3.8
12:20 slef I don't think transition has been discussed at all yet, has it?
12:20 ColinC I'd agree with slef I think use defaults is easier than suggesting people use exceptions
12:20 jwagner Or have the QA person change them?
12:20 jwagner Are you proposing to reject patches that aren't written to style?
12:19 slef perlstyle-style and pbp-style are so close in disruptiveness, I'd really prefer we pick the more FOSS perlstyle-style
12:19 paul_p_ thd, I would prefer to have a rule !
12:19 slef thd: we could consider it but I wouldn't advocate it strongly.
12:18 thd slef: Is the actual practise of continuing to not have an official style an option we are considering?
12:18 slef jcamins: also we could probably put vim and emacs tags into the files to trigger smart editors to adapt
12:18 slef jcamins: will do if I'm correct ;-)
12:18 jcamins slef: that should be documented somewhere.
12:18 mtj magnuse: yes and yes
12:18 slef jcamins: run perltidy OPTIONS FILENAMES before commit.
12:17 * magnuse has been following koha rather closely for 3 odd years, and can't remember seeing anything about any explicit coding styles...
12:17 mtj ok, so shall we vote on this issue?
12:17 mtj slef, yep 'koha-style' perltidy is not really offiical, so not enforced
12:17 jcamins FWIW, I have no idea how one would go about using this.
12:16 slef for comparison, Circulation.pm is about 3000 lines
12:16 * wizzyrea suspects there was not enough suggesting that people should use it, lately
12:16 paul_p_ I think so
12:16 ColinC I think at present no style is in operation
12:15 slef mtj: but all are bigger than I thought, so probably no-one uses koha-style explicitly either
12:15 magnuse mtj++
12:15 slef mtj++
12:15 slef
12:15 slef 15 Circulation.pm.perlstyle-style | 2045 +++++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
12:15 slef
12:15 slef 14 Circulation.pm.pbp-style | 2037 +++++++++++++++++++++++-----------------
12:15 slef
12:15 slef 13 Circulation.pm.koha-style | 1673 +++++++++++++++++----------------
12:15 slef
12:15 slef 12 Circulation.pm.gnu-style | 1730 +++++++++++++++++-----------------
12:15 mtj slef: so koha-style has the least change from current
12:14 paul_p_ slef, dunno, we don't have an explicit rule
12:14 slef pbp is not documented in FOSS anywhere as far as I can tell.
12:14 thd :)
12:14 mtj http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=koha-perltidy/.git;a=blob;f=0001-applied-various-perltidy-styles-to-Circ.pm.patch;h=d4d6ee5d575f289d1f279757007eb7b5c6f0ab10;hb=95002157c25c04e104631bfc127fcec56e825cf3
12:14 slef paul_p_: do biblibre still code to 178-char line length?
12:14 paul_p_ why "except pbp" ?
12:13 paul_p_ good point (except i'm not sur all the script already have "koha-style")
12:13 slef in which case we might as well pick anything except pbp.
12:13 slef but it may be that no-one was using the perltidyrc any more anyway, so that will also be a disruption
12:13 slef if we switch to another style, it may be a big disruption for little gain
12:12 slef the perltidyrc (koha-style in mtj's examples) was an attempt to standardise what was already happening
12:12 slef ok, let me explain my concern
12:12 paul_p_ kf, yep, that's what I meaned ;-)
12:12 Brooke believe perltidy is what's on the table, yes/
12:12 thd mtj: I think that consistency within each file is sufficient.
12:12 ColinC Agreed
12:11 * magnuse agrees with kf
12:11 kf choose an existnig style, not create one
12:11 paul_p_ My 2nd concern being : don't spend time reinventing the wheel, spend time hacking
12:11 slef from near the start of the patch file
12:11 kf and easy to use
12:11 kf yep, important, document it, make it easy to find
12:11 slef paste those lines
12:11 slef filename | 4 ++--
12:11 slef that will show lines like
12:11 kf :)
12:11 kf oh wow
12:10 thd kf++
12:10 wizzyrea (and publish it somewhere)
12:10 slef mtj: git format-patch -o .. 'HEAD^'
12:10 ColinC kf+
12:10 wizzyrea kf++
12:10 paul_p_ kf++
12:10 kf I hve no strong opinion about the coding thing - make it consistent and choose one, change code not at once but bit by bit perhaps
12:09 slef that's not it... 1mo
12:09 * slef checks that here
12:09 mtj hmm, 1 tic...
12:09 slef mtj: git whatchanged -1 # IIRC
12:09 mtj slef: i dont know how to do that...
12:08 slef mtj: could you paste how many lines are changed (I think it's in the whatchanged output?)
12:08 mtj but regardless of my examples.... lets vote :)
12:06 mtj thd: but are now back up?
12:06 thd The examples of perl tidy in action are down.
12:06 Brooke take it away mtj, methinks
12:05 Brooke (last point in the agenda before setting the time and date! Woot!)
12:05 wizzyrea not that kind ofachievement
12:05 * thd caused a stack overflow in the circulation system. High score :)
12:05 Brooke #topic coding guidelines
12:04 thd Brooke: Yes, I understand that those are ideas for scoring points and not rules.
12:04 Brooke excellent idea.
12:04 magnuse yay
12:04 Brooke will put it there when I've got summat
12:04 magnuse Brooke: do it on the wiki and we can all chime in if we see fit?
12:04 * rangi has to go to sleep
12:04 wizzyrea thd: the features are completely optional
12:03 mtj magnuse: ta :)
12:03 paul_p_ Brooke, I keep silent because i've nothing to say (& i'm having lunch, i admit ;-) )
12:03 kf back
12:03 thd Brooke: I see a strategy for gaming the library for achievement which would abuse the circulation desk.
12:03 wizzyrea yes, i'll help you
12:02 Brooke k I shall take thy silence as a sign of assent.
12:02 magnuse mtj: works for me!
12:02 mtj http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=koha-perltidy/.git;a=commit is back up?
12:02 magnuse what's not to like? ;-)
12:01 Brooke at least in one department.
12:01 Brooke we have a nice armature for the stuff we were gonna do anyway
12:01 Brooke if they don't like it
12:01 wizzyrea go for it
12:01 Brooke so I'm up for it
12:01 Brooke it's not actual coding
12:01 Brooke if they like it, then great
12:00 Brooke submit summat
12:00 Brooke here's what I have in my crazy head
12:00 Brooke so
12:00 Brooke (like 15th October)
12:00 Brooke they're do very soon
12:00 Brooke the bad news is
12:00 Brooke the proposals they're looking for run very close to the achievement stuff outlined
12:00 Brooke http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gamifying_the_ILS
11:59 Brooke some Gamification achievement stuff was already proposed on the wiki
11:59 wizzyrea #info Liz Rea (NEKLS - apologies on the tardiness)
11:59 Brooke http://dmlcompetition.net/
11:59 Brooke I wanted to draw attention to
11:59 Brooke #topic Gamification
11:58 Brooke #help think over the handling of bugs with no endorsement.
11:57 Brooke #idea list of bugs in a call for help or koha-devel mail
11:57 slef thd: QA or anyone watching koha-bugs to review/move it on when they get time. Could put a list of bugs in a call for help in newsletter or koha-devel mail. Lots of ideas.
11:57 wahanui Brooke: I forgot brooke
11:57 Brooke wahanui forget brooke
11:57 wahanui somebody said Brooke, was it summer now in NZ?
11:57 paul_p_ Brooke, ???
11:56 Brooke let's mull this over more mebbe?
11:56 paul_p_ (many have patch pushed, maybe we could remove them)
11:55 slef #info change the 90 on the end for a different number of bugs
11:55 slef #info ^^ bugs that are unchanged more than 90 days
11:55 paul_p_ thd, have someone else endorsing it
11:55 slef #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=days_elapsed&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&type0-0-0=greaterthan&value0-0-0=90
11:55 Brooke maybe we can feature them for adoption at GBSDs.
11:55 thd slef: What should happen after bugs are explicitly disowned? What action should be triggered?
11:54 paul_p_ yep
11:54 slef paul_p_: but you think it should be fixed, just not by you?
11:54 paul_p_ good, we agree on that !
11:54 paul_p_ slef, well, atm, everybody think "paul will take care", but I won't
11:53 slef But for explicitly disowning bugs, OK.
11:53 slef I think a default assignment of TEAM (Toll! Ein Anderes Macht's! = Great, someone else will do it!) is an awful idea and I don't see how it addresses your problem.
11:53 paul_p_ assigning to koha-bugs what a given default assignee don't want to endorse sounds a good idea
11:52 paul_p_ slef, but if it's a real bug, I won't set "RESOLVE WONTFIX" !!! it's just that I want to say "ok, it's still here, but it's not for me"
11:52 slef paul_p_: koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org
11:51 paul_p_ slef, assign such a but to QA = you mean "QA mailing list" ?
11:51 slef or actually, RESOLVE WONTFIX
11:51 slef I mean, the answer to paul_p_'s question in that post seems simple: assign such a bug to QA. I don't see why defaults need change to do that.
11:50 slef #link http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-August/035984.html
11:50 slef thd: ok... I'd not got back that far yet. Thanks.
11:50 thd slef: The issue was raised on the koha-devel list in August.
11:49 paul_p_ the question I try to solve : how to detect non endorsed bugs & how to avoid having useless default assignees
11:49 sekjal I mostly use RSS for QA notifications
11:48 slef I don't understand what problem you are trying to solve here. I'm currently searching koha-devel for the thread. A link in the agenda would have been helpful.
11:48 slef I don't like that. QA have enough to do already.
11:47 paul_p_ idea : use koha-qa as default assignee & let QA contactbeing set by QA manager & assistants ?
11:47 paul_p_ default assignee being someone & default QA being koha-QA mailing list
11:46 paul_p_ oups, sorry I misunderstand you. We have 2 things : default assignee & default QA
11:46 slef paul_p_: abandoned bug = Last change > N months ago?
11:46 paul_p_ ?
11:46 slef no, kf was right - I was wrong. module maint is default assignee
11:46 paul_p_ maybe we could have no default QA and have koha-qa as default assignee
11:46 kf phone call
11:45 paul_p_ not assignee
11:45 paul_p_ kf, slef said koha-QA
11:45 slef #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/describecomponents.cgi?product=Koha
11:45 kf and cc bug list
11:45 kf module maintainer is
11:45 jcamins I don't think koha-devel is such a good idea. That would greatly increase the volume of e-mail.
11:45 paul_p_ slef, yep
11:45 kf no
11:45 slef kf: I think koha-qa is default assignee isn't it?
11:45 paul_p_ the big point being: "how to detect abandonned bugs ?"
11:45 kf as long as something is NEW noone is workign on it
11:45 kf I thought we do that
11:44 paul_p_ i've had 2 ideas : having koha-devel as default assignee & using NEW/ASSIGNED status to deal with real assignee
11:44 paul_p_ I think it differs, but not sure i'm right.
11:43 Brooke someone want to talk about this? is this summat that will be covered by Champions or is it different?
11:42 Brooke follow up on the koha-devel thread for bugzilla and default assignee
11:42 Brooke #topic Misc
11:42 mtj oops..
11:42 rangi nope
11:42 mtj so,
11:42 magnuse not accoring to http://librarypolice.com/koha-meetings/2011/koha.2011-09-07-18.00.html
11:41 Brooke did we have any actions from last meeting that neet to be seen to?
11:41 magnuse (other than to say having gbsd as a regular thing on the agenda might be unnecessary...)
11:41 Brooke #topic Old Business
11:40 magnuse not from me
11:40 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, PTFS/LibLime
11:40 Brooke anything else on bugs?
11:40 magnuse Brooke: agreed!
11:40 Brooke not that bugs need to wait for a GBSD :)
11:40 magnuse paul_p_: great!!
11:39 nengard 7 voted for Edinburgh for #2 and 58 for Reno as #2 and 23 didn't rank a #2
11:39 paul_p_ (magnuse and that will be the case for all GBSD : we concluded that half a day every 2 week was not the best, because when you've half a day, you need to start and ... it's done. So we switch 1 day every month, the GBSD)
11:39 nengard 2 didn't complete the vote
11:39 nengard 12 voted for Reno as #1
11:39 kf nice!
11:39 slef this GBSD is far enough into a month I may be able to take part... if my colleagues get moving with the month-start admin today/tomorrow
11:39 jcamins magnuse: ah. I have no objection to keeping them on Fridays for now, I was just wondering.
11:39 nengard 74 voted for Edinburgh as the first choice
11:38 magnuse biblibre++
11:38 nengard 88 votes
11:38 magnuse jcamins: initally because biblibre have their community days on fridays, but it cn be changed, of course
11:38 kf biblibre++
11:38 kf because fridays are for fun things? :)
11:38 paul_p_ magnuse: this time all BibLibre will join GBSD for all the day.
11:38 jcamins magnuse: why are they always on Fridays?
11:38 paul_p_ (number of votes, % ...)
11:38 paul_p_ hi nengard. Do you have some details about KohaCon12 vote ?
11:37 magnuse be there or be []
11:37 magnuse there is a gbsd on this coming friday, as a last sprint to the string freeze http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2011-10-07_Global_bug_squashing_day
11:37 rangi thats my input on the subject
11:37 rangi they rule
11:37 jransom congrats slef
11:37 Brooke #topic Global Bug Squashing Days
11:36 jransom i'm going to head off folks - see some of yuou in Mumbai and maybe the rest in Scotland!
11:36 nengard #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions, Documentation Manager
11:36 rangi coolio
11:36 slef #info I thank all voters and koha-community on behalf of the co-op. We'll get moving and be in touch.
11:36 kf people have not agreed to make the data public
11:36 kf yes, important point
11:36 Brooke arright good point
11:36 nengard like last year
11:36 nengard before putting it on the wiki
11:35 nengard keep it anonymous
11:35 nengard Brooke you want to remove the names and such before making it public
11:35 jransom 30 june - but thats not a reason to influence date choice
11:35 wahanui thd: that doesn't look right
11:35 thd jransom: Change your financial calendar to suit.
11:35 Brooke we can make it public I suppose yes nicole?
11:35 Brooke paul ask nengard for good numbers there's a link here
11:35 sekjal slef: just so long as it's not late October; missing 3 Halloween's in a row is too much for my family!
11:35 slef jransom: when is your financial year break?
11:35 paul_p_ Brooke, some details about the votes ?
11:34 jransom but not sure i'll be able to swing 2 trips in same financial year
11:34 slef kf: yes, there are many festivals in Edinburgh which we cannot outbid for venues and so on.
11:34 kf trying not to make it the same time as other important things
11:34 kf I think the host decides
11:34 jcamins rangi: you'd be surprised.
11:34 jransom yay - i nve never been toscotland and my great grandads were scottish and irish andfrench and english
11:33 Brooke he chooses the one that's convenient to him as host.
11:33 slef thd: Unless there's a strong reason not to, we will got with best availability and weather, probably June.
11:33 rangi och aye the noo (and yes i know no one actually says that in scotland .., at least not as a phrase like that)
11:33 kf I think having it earlier next year was discussed - I like the idea
11:33 thd slef: How do you propose choosing a time?
11:33 jcamins Yippee!
11:33 kf slef++ coop++ (?)
11:33 kf whooohoooooo!
11:32 magnuse woohoo!
11:32 Brooke Congratulations Scotland :D
11:32 Brooke #topic KohaCon 2012
11:32 Brooke we've no one to address anything anyway on to
11:32 Brooke so
11:32 paul_p_ I hope that the lot of work time will occur whent i'm "low work needed" on managing my company
11:31 rangi thd: not steady amount, big lumps, then quiet
11:31 thd :)
11:31 Brooke fits and spurts
11:31 thd rangi: lumpy?
11:30 rangi lumpy
11:30 jransom kudos to those who take it on
11:30 rangi it comes and goes too
11:30 jransom its aery big commitment
11:30 thd rangi: That is good to know as a comparison for such an all consuming job.
11:30 rangi its pretty much a fulltime job, but the realities are, you have to do probably about half unpaid
11:29 rangi and 3 or 4 hours of my own time each day
11:29 jransom 16 more sleeps for me
11:29 rangi just fyi, i did on average about halftime of my working time
11:29 Brooke no other Indians in the house.
11:29 Brooke #topic KohaCon2011
11:28 paul_p_ (maybe i'll be able to do more, but i'm not sure at all)
11:28 thd paul_p_++
11:28 paul_p_ enough I don't know. I can't promise doing more, and promise not doing less
11:28 Brooke #agreed Paul Poulain is the release manager.
11:28 paul_p_ enough I don't know. I can't afford doing more, and promise not doing less
11:28 sekjal +1 for paul for 3.8 RM
11:28 mtj slef, will fix that now
11:27 rangi +1
11:27 thd paul_p_ Is half time enough time?
11:26 slef mtj: point of info, your examples git is Server Temporarily Unavailable every time I tried so far
11:26 mtj ... just got back home, and remembered the irc meeting
11:26 kf celebrating your new roles I guess - because you got the jobs
11:26 rangi heh
11:26 kf lol
11:26 christophe_c +1
11:26 mtj i bumped into eythian, and we got sidetracked at a pub
11:26 kf +1
11:26 jransom +1 for paul
11:26 slef -1 no prejudicing the next release's roles
11:26 thd +1
11:25 paul_p_ just one point (already written iirc) = I plan to dedicate half of my time to the RM role
11:25 magnuse +1
11:25 jransom heya mj
11:25 Brooke well then go on and vote properly you cats!
11:25 Brooke morena
11:25 mtj morning all
11:24 Brooke any other unresolved issues?
11:24 Brooke I think so
11:24 kf ready to vote now?
11:24 christophe_c +1 paul_p
11:24 kf ok
11:23 magnuse paul_p++
11:23 thd +1 paul_p_ sensibly sensing the community
11:23 magnuse rangi: sounds good to me
11:23 paul_p_ that's my hope too, although i'l bug ppl on koha-devel to point pending patches !
11:22 jransom rangi: sounds that way
11:22 sekjal kf: that's my hope, too
11:22 kf paul_p_: with more people doing qa I hope we can catch up on things :)
11:22 rangi is that what ppl are concluding?
11:22 Brooke excellent to hear Paul
11:22 rangi #info stick with time based releases, if a release contains a change large enough to warrant a major version number we use it, otherwise keep on the 3.x one
11:22 paul_p_ kf, I think i've already said i've abandonned the idea, as it seems ppl are against it.
11:21 sekjal ^^
11:21 kf on another question: can we discuss lowering the qa barrier for some time? I don't feel so comfortable with that, even if it's only for a limited amount of time
11:21 * oleonard must leave, is ready to give paul_p his vote knowing that it will All Work Out.
11:20 slef http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-October/036235.html
11:20 sekjal I'd like the opportunity to see if any other major features can be reasonably developed in time for our target 4.0 date, but that's really details as far as I'm concerned
11:20 slef magnuse: ta
11:19 magnuse slef: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-October/date.html
11:19 jransom so we preomise a releasae and whats ready is in it
11:19 paul_p_ sekjal, I think too
11:19 thd slef: today in koha-devel.
11:19 sekjal paul_p_: okay, so then you and I are mostly in agreement.
11:19 paul_p_ I won't call it 4 just to beat chrome numbering speed ;-)
11:19 paul_p_ I won't call it 4 just to beat chrome numbering ;-)
11:18 paul_p_ 1st digit is updated on any major structural change being the rule
11:18 paul_p_ sekjal, 3.10
11:18 sekjal would the release then still be called Koha 4.0, if the major structural change isn't ready, or would it go to 3.10?
11:18 thd sekjal: So the issue may be merely whether the ready features merit the major version number.
11:17 sekjal ok
11:17 paul_p_ then no Solr in oct 12 !
11:17 sekjal would you propose delaying 4.0, or not including Solr?
11:16 sekjal paul_p_: what if the Solr work cannot pass QA by Oct. 22nd, 2012, for whatever reason?
11:16 slef thd: got message-id or link handly?
11:16 paul_p_ sekjal, no ! definetly no ! (at least in my mind, seems I can't explain clearly my idea)
11:15 thd slef: On the koha-devel list paul_p_ tried to answer sekjal.
11:15 sekjal paul_p_: it's not just numbering, it's feature-based v. time-based
11:15 paul_p_ slef, right, couldn't find time
11:15 slef paul_p_: what late answer? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_paul_p_RM38 is unchanged since last meeting.
11:14 paul_p_ I think it's just a numbering question, that is really a minor question
11:14 kf but don't force features that are not ready
11:14 kf 3.10
11:14 kf when not - do a 3.01
11:14 kf hm perhaps say, when it's ready, do a 4.0, and aim for that
11:14 paul_p_ maybe I haven't be clear enough in my today mail.
11:14 Brooke I appreciate the idea of parallel development, but perhaps when we have two like releases: either two feature based or two time based.
11:14 sekjal and we can jump right from 3.8 to 4.0
11:14 sekjal hopefully, all the stuff we plan for in 1 year will be ready in 1 year
11:14 * oleonard too
11:14 Brooke I concur slef
11:13 magnuse sekjal: +1
11:13 slef -1 no role appointments for 4.0 yet, especially without any details.
11:13 sekjal I still hold that timebased releases on the 3.X line are the way to go, with a feature-based 4.0 being released when all its parts are actually ready
11:13 paul_p_ of course i'm for time based releases ! i was the 1st to use the term !
11:13 paul_p_ or no ?
11:13 paul_p_ sekjal, and my -late- answer to this concern does fix your question ?
11:12 sekjal we tried that before with 3.2, and it.... didn't work so well
11:12 sekjal I don't believe it's reasonable to schedule feature releases on a timetable
11:12 Brooke and we have been quick for us so far.
11:12 Brooke I think they're both key
11:11 kf I think that's an important point
11:11 thd paul_p_ Do I understand that correctly that your plan for 4.0 will be whatever the collective community plan is?
11:11 magnuse should we do the whole timebased releases, which features are required for calling it 4.0 discussion again? ;-)
11:10 magnuse +1
11:08 Brooke release manager Paul Poulain
11:08 christophe_c +1 fo kf too
11:07 Brooke #agreed Frédéric Demians is the Translation Manager with cait assisting.
11:07 fredericd when could you scheduled that: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_Splitting_and_Shrinking
11:07 jcamins #info jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services.
11:06 paul_p_ if it's OK for you, then +1
11:06 kf translation is important for us
11:06 kf that's ok for me
11:06 fredericd magnuse: you can co-host...
11:06 magnuse +1 for kf ;-)
11:06 rangi kf it is
11:06 magnuse hm, i won't have time to do something like that in the foreseeable future...
11:06 kf +1 fpr fredericd as translation manager
11:06 paul_p_ hehe... good idea. you shouldn't have said it, they'll refuse to help you;-)
11:05 rangi +1 to either of them (or both)
11:05 christophe_c +1
11:05 fredericd in order to premare the transmission of this role to one of them
11:05 paul_p_ ( & +10 for the idea to remove translation from git repo !)
11:05 fredericd I've asked to associate cait to this role (or magnuse or both)
11:04 rangi fredericd: did you have an idea that kf might help out with translations also?
11:04 ropuch +1
11:04 paul_p_ +1
11:04 ColinC +1
11:04 magnuse +1
11:04 thd +1
11:03 Brooke Frédéric Demians for Translation manager
11:02 Brooke #agreed Nicole Engard is Documentation Manager and Documenter of DB
11:02 paul_p_ (for those who don't understand = private joke)
11:02 paul_p_ (too many things in english I mean)
11:02 Brooke ha!
11:02 paul_p_ Brooke, i promise i'll never apply as doc manager, or you'll have to learn me too many things :D
11:02 jransom +1
11:01 rangi +1
11:01 kf +1
11:01 sekjal +1
11:01 ColinC +1
11:01 oleonard +1
11:01 magnuse +1
11:01 Brooke oh fine, nengard for Documentation for this go
11:01 paul_p_ +1 for nicole (maybe not for life)
11:01 thd +1 next couple of releases at a time
11:00 kf one release at at time
11:00 Brooke Nicole for Documentation for life?
11:00 thd +1 everyone who shows up again
11:00 Brooke kf++
10:59 kf not so many people, we will get some doubling up :)
10:59 rangi but he can do both :)
10:59 rangi i was gonna make oleonard a champion
10:59 slef +1
10:59 paul_p_ +1 for oleonard
10:59 kf +1 for oleonard :)
10:59 magnuse +1 for oleonard
10:59 Brooke #agreed and Oleonard wrangles too :D
10:59 christophe_c +1 for both
10:59 * oleonard would be glad to wear that badge
10:59 Brooke #agreed Bug Wranglers are KF and Magnus (not that this is limited.)
10:58 Brooke I'm gluing together Documentation Manager and Documentation of DB since they are the same highly competent individual, not that I'm biased ;)
10:58 kf oleonard: up to get a title?
10:58 kf true
10:58 ropuch +1
10:58 paul_p_ I think oleonard could also be elected, as he is BW, even if he don't has the role officially ;-)
10:57 * oleonard +1s kf, magnuse, and everyone he missed before
10:57 hdl +1
10:57 hdl +1
10:57 paul_p_ +1 for magnuse & +1 for kf
10:56 ColinC +1 both
10:56 sekjal +1 for kf, +1 for magnuse
10:56 rangi +2 (one each)
10:56 jransom +1 +1
10:56 kf +1 for magnuse
10:56 thd +1 everyone who shows up
10:56 magnuse +1 for kf
10:56 Brooke anyone else got a hankerin' to keep doggies movin?
10:55 Brooke Bug Wranglers we've KF and Magnuse
10:55 Brooke #agreed Ian Walls continues as QA Manager
10:55 Brooke Ian is too slow to escape so
10:54 thd +1
10:54 magnuse +1
10:54 kf +1
10:54 Brooke QA Manager is solely Ian
10:54 Brooke #agreed both Marcel de Rooy and Jonathan Druart will be Assistant QA managers
10:53 sekjal the more the merrier
10:53 hdl °1
10:53 kf +1
10:53 jransom me too
10:53 ropuch +1
10:53 ColinC +1 for both
10:52 christophe_c +1 too
10:52 slef +1
10:52 thd +1 many many volunteers
10:52 magnuse +1 for both
10:52 Brooke I believe it was said that it's okay for 2, yes Ian?
10:52 paul_p_ having 2 doesn't harm at all. so I vote +1 for both of them
10:52 Brooke we've Marcel de Rooy and Jonathan Druart on the slate
10:52 Brooke Assistant QA Managers
10:51 Brooke on we go
10:51 thd Even when I have had no other time for Koha, I have been fixing the wiki.
10:50 jransom it would sort out who was payng attention
10:50 Brooke #idea send to the list nominating Champions and if their reaction time is low the trap shuts.
10:50 kf +1
10:50 rangi :)
10:50 rangi they get the job
10:50 rangi and if they dont say no fast enough
10:50 rangi we should email the list nominating people
10:49 magnuse hehe
10:49 paul_p_ (some of us will soon look like USSR generals, with 80 medals :D )
10:49 paul_p_ I think she's just lacking the name & badge ;-)
10:49 slef wizzyrea already has the websites module which is a bottomless pit. Is wizzyrea here?
10:48 Brooke #idea Module Champions hold no extra power save to cajole, bribe, and threaten
10:48 paul_p_ well, in fact, she already is a "module champion" ;-)
10:48 sekjal I nominate wizzyrea for one or more modules, then
10:48 kf make people talk to each other
10:48 kf more a coordinating role
10:48 rangi yup
10:47 sekjal an advocate for a module
10:47 kf because it's too much expecting that
10:47 rangi just caring
10:47 rangi i agree
10:47 paul_p_ right (imo)
10:47 rangi so no extra power, except the power to cajole, bribe, threaten
10:47 kf right?
10:47 kf necessarily
10:47 kf which does not mean fixing themselves
10:47 rangi their
10:47 paul_p_ yes, that's my idea !
10:47 paul_p_ rangi, why not
10:47 rangi and making it there role to care about making sure bugs in that area get fixed
10:46 rangi how about calling them module champions
10:46 kf I think keeping things in order, like a bug wrangler does
10:46 Brooke so what is the community's pleasure?
10:46 sekjal would ModuleMaints have any particular privileges? a weightier signoff? QA passing? ability to commit code to a Koha branch?
10:45 * chris_n2 must excuse himself and get ready to head to work
10:44 paul_p_ helper for RMaint. testing/applying patches for a given module for example
10:44 sekjal for creating fixes? for testing incoming? for overall planning?
10:44 Brooke yee haw the devil is up
10:44 sekjal responsible in what sense?
10:44 paul_p_ responsible for a sub-part of koha maintainance. But we have no candidates, so...
10:43 kf to move forward tonight
10:43 paul_p_ for me module maintainer is a help for RMaint
10:43 kf and go through the modules at a separate meeting
10:43 sekjal ^^
10:43 kf perhaps we need to clarify the role a module maintainer has
10:43 * chris_n2 apologizes to the chair
10:43 chris_n2 ouch
10:43 Brooke we are talking about roles paul
10:43 slef ok, shall I mail him and ask if that's OK? If no response in a week, we call for new
10:42 paul_p_ we arevoting for roles ;-)
10:42 kf wizzyrea would be good for circ - it's not about fixing, more like overseeing, right?
10:42 Brooke #idea trawl koha-devel for options
10:42 chris_n2 then the default assignee could set those bugs they do not intend to work on to the other
10:42 paul_p_ we're not on this part of this agenda !
10:42 Brooke but I can hardly predict that with accuracy
10:42 kf +1 for optional
10:42 chris_n2 maybe not as the default, but as an option
10:42 Brooke I'm thinking that Ian might be inclined to pick those up
10:42 kf both very important
10:42 chris_n2 I think koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org is a good idea
10:42 slef Circulation and Patrons
10:41 kf yes, but he has more than one module
10:41 slef Kyle M Hall looks like the only default assignee I've not seen recently
10:41 slef #link http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/describecomponents.cgi?product=Koha
10:40 paul_p_ kf, it's also on the agenda, (misc section)
10:40 kf paul_p_: yes, the defaults on bugzilla - we can still vote on the other suggestion
10:40 magnuse kf: +1
10:39 paul_p_ kf, you mean default assignee on bugzilla ?
10:39 kf but perhaps we should do that at a separate meeting
10:39 kf not all are active in the community now
10:39 kf I think revisiting the current module maintainers might be good
10:39 paul_p_ Bueller ???
10:38 kf bueller?
10:38 Brooke Module Maintainers? Bueller?
10:37 jransom yay
10:37 magnuse chris_n++
10:37 * chris_n2 is trying to script it up anyway
10:37 Brooke Err Nighswonger. *duck*
10:36 paul_p_ wonderful chris_n2 !
10:36 Brooke listen to Chris Christie darn it.
10:36 Brooke I've naught for this under Module Maintainers
10:36 chris_n2 as I say, if no one steps up before release date I'll do it again
10:36 jransom I vote for chris_n2 (if he wants it) - done an amazing job
10:36 paul_p_ maybe the best option is to call on the MLs and see if chris_n2 applies again or someone else save him ;-)
10:36 chris_n2 ouch
10:35 Brooke #help someone save Chris from Release Maintainer
10:35 Brooke chris_n++
10:35 Brooke indeed
10:35 kf but chris_n++ for his good work so far
10:35 Brooke oh he's more than two options. He could move to the south of France. XD
10:35 paul_p_ chris_n2, I personnaly don't want to force anyone. But you're doing a good job so if you want to continue, i'll vote.
10:35 kf we can ask and wait if someone volunteers
10:34 paul_p_ chris_n2, you've 2 options : either you accept to continue or we ask publicly for someone else.
10:34 chris_n2 if no one volunteers by release time, ask me again :)
10:34 kf for life is a bit too scary, you have to make him do it one release after the other ;)
10:33 kf I was secretly hoping he would do it for 3.6 - because he is good at it :)
10:33 * chris_n2 runs and hides :-)
10:33 * Brooke was secretly hoping that Chris Squared would volunteer for life...
10:33 Brooke do we have a proper candidate for Release Maintainer?
10:33 Brooke (this is what you get when you're not present. XD)
10:32 Brooke #agreed Robin is Packaging Manager with MTJ assisting
10:32 ColinC 1
10:32 thd +1
10:32 sekjal +1
10:32 christophe_c +1
10:32 jransom +1
10:32 paul_p_ +1
10:31 magnuse +1
10:31 Brooke okie dokie rangi has moved for Robin with MTJ as a helper
10:31 magnuse rangi: +1
10:31 chris_n2 rangi: +1
10:31 paul_p_ except if one packages for Debian, one for RedHat for example
10:31 kf rangi: agreed
10:31 * thd sleeps at the keyboard regularly
10:31 rangi i vote eythian in charge, mtj as sidekick
10:31 paul_p_ I think magnuse is quite right = 1 person make sense for packaging
10:31 Brooke #info need clarification on Packaging Manager; might have to wait for next meeting.
10:30 paul_p_ they're sleeping
10:30 Brooke indeed
10:30 kf only getting later for nz
10:30 kf not sure they will
10:30 Brooke yeah I'm skippin this for now until one or the other shows, hopefully both
10:29 magnuse i think it makes sense to have 1 person in charge of creating the official packages?
10:29 kf I think both are not here right now :(
10:28 paul_p_ will ask him privately
10:28 paul_p_ ok
10:28 Brooke Paul I'd rather not.
10:28 kf #agreed Brooke is elected to chair the meetings (Bus driver)
10:28 Brooke did this need to be a single person or is it valid to have both Mason and Robin?
10:28 paul_p_ Brooke, what about going back to 3.6 and ask the question to fredericd ?
10:28 fredericd #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil
10:28 Brooke #info Packaging Manager
10:28 chris_n2 lol
10:27 Brooke #agreed I'm stuck with this for now.
10:27 sekjal +1
10:27 kf now we need an agreed :)
10:27 kf +1
10:27 chris_n2 +1
10:27 slef +1
10:27 ropuch +1
10:27 rangi +1
10:27 ColinC +1
10:27 paul_p_ +1 too
10:27 magnuse +1 then
10:27 jransom +1 for brooke being the shepherd
10:27 Brooke I don't feel like I was ever given it and it freaks me out
10:27 thd +1 Brooke driving on both sides of the road
10:26 jransom gets us places
10:26 Brooke I'd like community assent for chairing
10:26 jransom person in charge
10:26 Brooke nope
10:26 paul_p_ "bus driver" = is it just a joke, or there's some english subtilty i miss ?
10:26 magnuse #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.8
10:26 hdl slef: it says also that chris can...
10:26 Brooke votes for and again me for Bus Driver
10:25 Brooke doing this from the bottom to the top, cause I can.
10:25 Brooke okie dokie
10:24 paul_p_ #agreed paul suggest git.koha-community.org/koct.git as name
10:24 slef (bum! I don't have permissions on the directory plugin on the website at the mo, so I can't tell if we could use that for extensions - sorry)
10:24 Brooke let's go for low lying fruit
10:24 Brooke arright
10:24 kf #agreed create a new project on git.koha-community.org for the KOCT firefox plugin
10:23 Brooke moving on from the minutia of the agreed upon...
10:23 Brooke #topic Voting on Roles for 3.8
10:23 asaurat #info Adrien Saurat, BibLibre
10:22 asaurat thx kf :)
10:22 slef paul_p_: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#Host_and_administrators_4 says hdl can?
10:22 paul_p_ ok, i'll ask him if he don't read the logs of the meeting
10:22 rangi gmcharlt can
10:21 paul_p_ rangi, can you ?
10:21 paul_p_ I think it's OK. The remaining question being = who create git.koha-community.org/koct.git ?
10:21 kf welcome asaurat :)
10:21 Brooke we talked out on this bug?
10:20 hdl #info Henri-Damien LAURENT biblibre
10:20 paul_p_ wow ! wahanui is usesull ! great day !!!
10:20 Brooke ta
10:20 wahanui KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool or https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/
10:20 oleonard KOCT?
10:20 paul_p_ please welcome asaurat, which is Adrien, new BibLibreros, that started on monday.
10:20 Brooke I smell a link.
10:20 hdl it is not certified though
10:20 oleonard Yes it is
10:20 paul_p_ (or i missed something)
10:20 paul_p_ kf, it's already in the ff directory
10:19 Brooke #idea listed on the firefox directory
10:19 kf having it in the official firefox plugin directory woudl be good too
10:19 kf paul_p: different repo is agreed on I think - presentation to be decided
10:18 paul_p_ (explain how to install it...)
10:18 paul_p_ chris_n, I think we need a different repo and a specific webpage to speak of the module
10:18 slef yeah, we used to have an independant website, but we're already a bit stretched for admins IMO
10:18 chris_n2 or just a different repo on git.kc.org?
10:18 paul_p_ (because iirc, we had an independant website)
10:18 slef I wonder if the directory plugin used on the main site for support directory could do a directory of extensions. I'll go look
10:18 chris_n2 are we talking about an entirely different project? ie different webpage, wiki, etc?
10:18 rangi yup, we can point the dns anywhere just need someone to set up the site and maintain it
10:18 paul_p_ not sure we need to bring back the extensions page, it could just be a page on koha-community.org (or was it what you were thinking of ?)
10:17 Brooke #idea bring back the extensions web page
10:17 christophe_c +1
10:16 kf I think that page needs someone to host it probably
10:16 slef +1 from me - any chance of bringing the extensions web page back in some form, for that sort of thing?
10:16 christophe_c hi
10:16 christophe_c #info Christophe Croullebois, BibLibre
10:15 paul_p_ +1 from me, of course ;-)
10:15 paul_p_ s/ne versions/new versions/
10:14 paul_p_ kf, the plugin is very small, until now we had nothing to change, but it's the main reason = be able to release ne versions of the plugin when needed
10:14 chris_n2 +1
10:14 magnuse +1
10:14 kf so having it on the public repo but as a separate project does make sense to me
10:14 kf I think the firefox plugin might change with new versions of firefox, different timeline than koha has
10:13 kf :)
10:13 * chris_n2 gets to sleep in that saturday now ;-)
10:13 Brooke ty
10:13 kf no votes against ;)
10:13 kf #agreed delaying the 3.4.6 release a day or two in light of the 3.6.0 release on the 22nd
10:13 oleonard My suggestion was that it be in git somewhere, and having its own dedicated project is one option
10:12 paul_p_ oups, sorry, I missed that chris_n2 called for a vote. +1 for me
10:12 Brooke please use vote instead of suggest or message me or summat. I'll be barreling through this stuff. It's a long agenda.
10:12 thd +1
10:12 Brooke fine vote on then :)
10:12 paul_p_ owen has tested the bug, is probably about to signoff, and is suggesting to add KOCT firefox plugin to git. I agree it's a good idea, and was suggesting to have a dedicated git project for it
10:11 rangi Brooke: did we want to see if any more votes for delaying 3.4.6 ?
10:11 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens Count Public Libraries
10:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once
10:11 Brooke so let's see bug 5877
10:10 * clrh #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre
10:10 rangi +1
10:10 paul_p_ #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France, applied as QA assistant for 3.8
10:10 kf +1
10:10 * chris_n2 suggests delaying the 3.4.6 release a day or two in light of the 3.6.0 release on the 22nd
10:09 paul_p_ kf, right
10:09 rangi yep, as soon as after the 8th would be great
10:09 kf there are no 3.6 folders yet where you can upload your files
10:09 Brooke #help fredericd to update pootle
10:09 kf at this date
10:09 kf was wondering if fredericd can update pootle
10:09 paul_p_ kf, fredericd works on french translation like a mad ;-)
10:08 kf fredericd: around?
10:08 paul_p_ #info String freeze for 3.6 in 3 days (oct, 8th)
10:08 rangi bugs that dont introduce new strings will still be pushed, and any security ones
10:08 rangi 2 weeks for translators
10:08 rangi yup
10:07 kf soon was 8th?
10:07 paul_p_ I've added a specific point yesterday, about BZ5877, let me know when I start speaking of it
10:07 rangi if you want stuff in, get it signed off asap
10:07 rangi to be ready for the release on the 22nd
10:07 rangi we are in feature freeze, string freeze starts very soon
10:06 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.6
10:06 kf chris_n++
10:06 Brooke any questions?
10:06 Brooke everyone++
10:06 chris_n2 and that's it
10:06 chris_n2 thanks to everyone for all of the good work!
10:05 chris_n2 the plan is to keep releasing as long as we have a flow of patches for 3.4.x
10:05 chris_n2 the 3.4.6 will move out on the 22nd of this month
10:05 chris_n2 everything is moving along well with 3.4 maintenance
10:05 Brooke chris squared?
10:04 Brooke #topic Roadmap to 3.4
10:04 Brooke apparently we have a placeholder on freenode
10:02 rangi #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT
10:02 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
10:02 ropuch #info Piotr Wejman, CSNE Library, Poland
10:02 paul_p_ #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre
10:02 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd
10:02 sekjal #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QAM
10:02 jransom #info Joann Ransom HLT, NZ
10:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:02 chris_n2 #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC, 3.4.x Release Maintainer
10:02 slef #info MJ Ray, http://www.software.coop
10:02 kf #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
10:02 Brooke introduce yourselves using #info if you want the minutes to show you were here
10:01 Brooke Haere Mai!
10:01 ropuch #help
10:01 paul_p_ Brooke, ok
10:01 Brooke #topic Introductions
10:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
10:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct 5 10:00:22 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:01 Brooke #startmeeting
10:01 Brooke #startmeetikng
10:01 Brooke no it means I'm chairing and don't feel like fishing through email
10:00 paul_p_ starts now isn't it ?
10:00 paul_p_ Brooke, ok. It means you wont be there for the meeting ?
10:00 Brooke because I've a bus to drive soon.
09:59 Brooke and I will mail you details after the meeting
09:59 Brooke it's meant to be a suite with an extra bed
09:59 paul_p_ (as we're 3 too, we may do like you)
09:59 paul_p_ Brooke, which email did you use ? 2nd question: did you book a suite with a supplementary bed for you 3 ? something else ?
09:57 Brooke I booked by email, but I also phoned at one point.
09:57 rangi eythian is all booked, i could ask him tomorrow, (he got all his confirmation stuff including a shuttle from the airport to the hotel)
09:57 paul_p_ Brooke, a private question before the meeting start. How did you do to book the hotel in mumbai ? I sent emails, but have no feedback (I try to book at the same hotel as you)
09:56 paul_p_ hi chris_n2 & Brooke
09:56 chris_n2 howdy paul_p_
09:56 Brooke 0/
09:55 chris_n2 ich
09:55 Brooke this was Albany NY to a parking lot in Springfield MA to Worcester.
09:55 Brooke that's rather good though :)
09:55 Brooke could be worse
09:55 chris_n2 Culpeper
09:54 Brooke from?
09:54 chris_n2 I did mine to Fairfax and Alexandria
09:54 Brooke "centrally located Worcester."
09:54 * chris_n2 remembers the 4am carpool thing :P
09:53 Brooke 4 AM carpool!
09:53 Brooke State Aid reprogrammed me
09:53 kf ?
09:53 Brooke I went from wanting to shoot things to wanting to do heavy duty maths
09:52 chris_n2 wow, that's pretty good for this time of the morning :)
09:52 * chris_n2 salutes
09:52 * Brooke salutes jransom.
09:52 jransom babe!
09:52 Brooke CRC Helman reporting for duty! Just do not let me call cadence!
09:44 * chris_n2 reaches for the coffee pot :-)
09:44 chris_n2 heya kf
09:44 kf hi chris_n2 :)
09:43 kf anything in the log file?
09:43 kf doubled up cardnumbers?
09:43 chris_n2 mtj: is kohaaloha having server problems?
09:42 magnuse one patron worked, then i replaced that with another, without touching the header, and it says it can't parse the header...
09:41 kf and your header?
09:41 kf could you show my 2 anonymized lines?
09:40 kf hmmm
09:40 kf magnuse: I don't think providing a borrowernumber makes any sense, but it's ilke it worked for me in the past
09:40 magnuse lines end with a " - yes, different borrowernumbers - yes same error
09:40 kf magnuse: yes, give it something
09:39 kf and still the same error message?
09:38 kf and you are using different borrowernumbers, right?
09:38 kf how do your lines end?
09:38 kf hmmm
09:38 magnuse kf: worked for the first one, but not when i tried with another patron... weird
09:33 magnuse so you just gibe it something and that's overwritten/replaced?
09:32 magnuse hm, that might have worked
09:30 kf I normally count from 1 to something
09:30 kf although it's not using it (don't ask me, it makes no sense)
09:30 joransom test
09:30 magnuse ok
09:30 kf not sure about current version, but 3.2.2 doesn't like no borrowernumber
09:30 kf magnuse: no, don't make it empty, give it something
09:30 jransom heya Katrin
09:30 magnuse the borrowernumber was empty, but i removed it - didn't help
09:30 kf magnuse: borrowernumber?
09:30 kf wb joransom :)
09:29 magnuse nope
09:29 kf are you providing a borrowernumber?
09:29 kf do you have patron attributes?
09:29 kf magnuse: hmmmm
09:28 jransom irc app
09:28 jransom maybe i need an ircr the android ..
09:28 magnuse jransom: time to consider getting a "proper" irc client, perhaps? ;-)
09:28 jransom yes!
09:28 jransom this time maybe
09:26 magnuse lots of "Header row could not be parsed"
09:25 kf or only taking forever
09:25 kf errors?
09:24 magnuse wow, Patron Import does not want to be my friend today...
09:23 rangi nekls use it in production, as do some of our libraries, havent heard anything from them
09:21 kf hdl: I didn't notice any problems in our tests, we are testing with 3.4.5 right now
09:21 magnuse hdl: i have 3.4.2 in production, but have not heard of any problems
09:21 kf hdl: no we haven't - 3.2.2 still - once the i18n things are fixed we plan to update
09:20 hdl It appears that when editing an item, modzebraqueue is not called any longer.
09:20 hdl Don you have problems with checkin checkout status ?
09:20 hdl magnuse: kf do you have 3.4 or 3.6 in production ?
09:18 jransom gone again
09:18 kf ah, my scrolling is broken
09:18 jransom oh nuts -
09:18 kf uhoh
09:18 magnuse cool!
09:18 jransom hello Magnus
09:17 jransom yes :)
09:17 magnuse better now, jransom?
09:16 jransom and cant see my typing
09:16 jransom this is interesting - I can't read anything (though it says someone mentioned my name)
09:15 magnuse jransom: how's te takere coming along?
09:15 magnuse kia ora jransom!
09:15 ropuch Hi jransom
09:14 jransom evening all
09:11 ropuch Such time saving
09:10 ropuch [;
09:10 ropuch Huh, if only I had found this batch marc retrieve script
08:57 sekjal I'll be back in an hour, then
08:57 kf and you got up too early? :(
08:57 kf oh
08:57 sekjal this is not the first time daylight savings time has pulled one over on me.
08:56 sekjal ah
08:56 wajasu 4am here
08:56 magnuse in an hour
08:56 sekjal meeting's happening soon, right?
08:55 sekjal morning, magnuse
08:55 magnuse good morning sekjal
08:55 wajasu yeah. i saw web based css might be a doable these days.
08:54 kf and there might be work in progress somewhere you could built on
08:54 kf to html
08:54 kf i think the big plan is to move away from pdf
08:54 kf wajasu: you should talk to chris_n about it
08:53 wajasu maybe my pdf viewer, which is linux okular, doesn't have some sort of mapping table from C3BC -> FC, too many point of conversion (browser->apache->perl->DB->perl->pdf)
08:51 wajasu anyway the PDF had two bytes C3BC and showed as two chars. but after the patch, the C3BC becomes FC -> ü
08:49 wajasu maybe i should export my marcxml record, and attach it to the bug? tommorrow.
08:48 wajasu i converted to marcxml, then imported. I had to add holding, etc. Things show fine in the web browser.
08:47 wajasu i think i used a marc4j library when i wrote the import program from the old DOS based proprietary library software.
08:46 kf the dots are not right above the u but a little bit too much right
08:46 kf shows wrong in some browsers like firefox too
08:46 kf making it u + dots
08:46 kf wajasu: often the normalization form is different than
08:45 wajasu I'll look into editing a bib with jürgen to see if thats a problem. my problem is with records that are already imported from 2 years ago and that were pulled from z3950 servers initially.
08:43 wajasu maybe i should export a marc record to see how it gets encoded in marcxml.
08:40 kf you could try copying 'jürgen'
08:40 wajasu it was a computer program that converted to marcxml, then imported.
08:40 kf perhaps worth a test
08:40 kf could be
08:39 kf if you use u + .. for typing, it might be different
08:39 wajasu maybe my database holds encoded U+C3BC and thats what is passing through, so the latin1 mapping wasn't working.
08:39 kf perhaps it's a different character - I am using a german keyboard of course
08:38 wajasu maybe its how my data got imported into koha from a legacy pc library system.
08:38 wajasu i am trying to understand why my umlauts weren't working.
08:37 wajasu yeah. i see
08:37 kf comment 8
08:36 kf yeah, I put a comment into the bug
08:36 wajasu really. for barcode labels?
08:36 kf like your example: Jürgen
08:36 kf other thigns like cyrillic failed for me, but the umlauts I had tested
08:35 kf becasue to my knowledge umlauts work
08:35 kf wajasu: I commented - I am a bit confused
08:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
08:35 wajasu ok. i sent a patch for bug 2246. my code change(1 line) to comments ratio is pretty high though :)
07:37 kf hi Oak :)
07:35 Oak hello #koha
07:35 Oak Guten Tag kf
07:30 kf mtj: around?
07:16 kf yep
07:15 magnuse meeting in 3 hours minus 15 minutes, right? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_Meeting,_5_October_2011
07:15 rangi wb kf
07:14 magnuse guten morgen kf and #koha
07:13 kf good morning #koha
06:53 magnuse kia ora rangi
06:52 rangi morning magnuse
06:50 reiveune hi rangi
06:50 rangi hi reiveune
06:38 reiveune hello
06:31 wajasu i had tried my 3.02 library labels, and also with3.4.4 and HEAD, and it seems the 1st line in my librarians template is missing. does anyone remember something like that happening. where after an upgrade the label templates needed rework.
06:28 cait kulps: http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/
06:27 cait it's a koha support provider
06:26 kulps cait, is bywater a koha consulting group?
06:24 cait :)
06:24 ropuch cait: bookmarks updated ;)
06:24 kulps I'm not sure I'll be strong at ldap by the time I'm done integrating everything with it, but I'll certainly be beter
06:23 kulps thanks
06:22 cait http://bywatersolutions.com/2011/09/08/how-ldap-connections-work-in-koha-3-4/
06:21 cait kulps: there is something on the bywater blog
06:21 cait ropuch: tidied it up a little, the page is here:http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/How_to_add_an_OPAC_screen_keyboard
06:20 cait ropuch: :)
06:19 eythian there's guides around, I'm pretty sure
06:19 kulps maybe I found something
06:19 kulps wait
06:19 kulps hmm
06:17 kulps also, the wiki doesnt mention how to configure Koha for LDAP authentication, is there a seperate guide somewhere?
06:16 ropuch cait: I stil have the code from you somewhere [;
06:16 cait ropuch: I have put the code for the screen keyboard on the wiki :)
06:15 wajasu my library is academic and lots of german, swedish, jewish, arabic authors.
06:15 wajasu now that I've read the pdf spec and know way too much, i might give it a shot, embedding the trutype font.
06:15 alex_a hello #koha
06:14 cait ropuch: yes, they have hebrew records
06:13 wajasu so even if I patch the diacritics for latin1 (iso8859-1) folks want their own diacritics.
06:13 ropuch cait: but afair it's your libraray with this nice virtual keyboard solution?
06:13 kulps ropuch, thanks very much. I'll give it a whirl.
06:13 eythian I'm a little surprised there's no standard unicode font for PDF
06:12 cait this is a blocker bug for lots of people
06:12 ropuch kulps: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/6574
06:12 cait yeah, koha is very international
06:12 cait hebrew
06:12 rangi arabic too
06:12 kulps ropuch, do you maybe have a link?
06:12 cait we have hebre and all that, french have lots of diacritics
06:12 cait not sure about the question?
06:11 wajasu since utf8 supports more 1112064 codepoints (1-4 8bit bytes), maybe the pdf creators should just embed a unicode font. Are we restricting chars to be <256 ascii code? do may marc21/xml records contain foreign language characters?
06:11 ropuch kulps: an there was Nicholas van Rheede van Oudtshoorn (huh) post on koha-devel
06:07 wahanui owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/
06:07 cait owen's blog
06:07 cait hm i think oleonard's blog has one solution
06:06 kulps hmm, where should I start looking? In the forums or the wiki, somewhere else?
06:05 eythian *do
06:05 eythian kulps: there's scripts floating around to show new stuff, a bit of hacking they could to random stuff.
06:03 wajasu true.
06:03 kulps Hey folks, I've finally started to import our books to the hackerspace's library and was wondering if there is a way (either built in or by extension) to show random books on the OPAC main screen? Or to be able to browse all books?
06:03 rangi theres no reason it can't support both and users choose
06:02 rangi for those who want
06:02 rangi to still be able to use zebra for indexing
06:02 wajasu to support the z3950 services?
06:00 rangi thats the bit that is waiting
06:00 rangi what needs to be done for it to go in koha, is it needs to not break zebra support
06:00 ropuch cait: I'v got Lokalize plugin that properly display file:line in which translated term is [;
06:00 wajasu ok.
06:00 rangi its just using the api
05:59 rangi dont think it requires any hacking of java, and its in one of biblibres branches already
05:58 wajasu i'm wondering if you are really looking to support solr. i am a java guys and could knock that out for ya.
05:57 wajasu I could try coding a new label-create-pdf.pl that supported truetype, which i also got working but i need to draw the text differently, plus i'd need a new column to support the path to be used to embed.
05:51 cait hi ropuch :)
05:48 ropuch Morning #koha
05:48 wajasu the original bug2499 really describes supporting foreign languages in PDFs. my patch would just let current Latin1 standard fonts in the PDF spec work better.
05:44 eythian It's still worth submitting so that it gets tested and follows the patch workflow stuff properly
05:43 wajasu i did a git clone against git master. i am going to try to submit a patch, but its basically the same 1 line change: adding utf8::downgrade($line); before the $pdf->Add($line); so that the 2 byte unicode C3BC will get written as FC and the todays Latin font based PDFs will map the FC to udiaresis.
05:22 cait hehe
05:22 cait and how's things on the other side?
05:22 eythian still light outside. Not used to that either.
05:21 cait not used to the shorter days yet
05:21 cait hm still dark outside
05:13 eythian how's things?
05:12 cait evening
05:12 cait ah sorry
05:12 cait morning mr robin :)
05:12 eythian hi cait
05:12 cait good morning #koha
03:50 * druthb likes lil patches.
03:50 druthb :)
03:50 rangi was easy to test
03:50 rangi no worries
03:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6867 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , datelastseen is not imported from marc file
03:49 druthb rangi: thanks for the push on Bug 6867. :) Glad to get that one whipped.
03:43 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6895] Diacritics in Pootle/po files are broken in source text <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6895>
03:41 * eythian is having no botluck today
03:41 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
03:41 eythian wahanui: you heard me
03:41 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian.
03:41 eythian no wahanui, \you heard me is <reply>Doesn't mean I was paying attention, $who
03:41 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian.
03:41 eythian wahanui: \you heard me is <reply>Doesn't mean I was paying attention, $who
03:41 wahanui eythian: huh?
03:41 eythian wahanui: you heard me
03:41 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:41 eythian wahanui: you heard me is <reply>Doesn't mean I was paying attention, $who
03:26 eythian :)
03:26 rangi ta
03:26 rangi that works :)
03:26 eythian compose-e-'
03:26 rangi cut and paste
03:26 eythian like that
03:26 eythian �
03:26 rangi an e with one
03:26 rangi how do a i type an acute
03:25 rangi hmm
03:24 eythian hiya
03:24 eythian hrm
03:24 * druthb waves to rangi and eythian
03:24 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:24 eythian wahanui: literal \where is he
03:24 eythian odd
03:24 wahanui well, he is gone again
03:24 eythian where is he
03:24 wahanui he is gone again
03:24 eythian where is he?
03:24 wahanui he is gone again
03:24 eythian where is he?
03:24 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:24 eythian wahanui: \where \is he is also <reply>He \is INSIDE the computer!
03:17 rangi yeah
03:15 eythian http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/10/04/searching-for-mark-pilgrim/ <-- Mark "Dive Into *" Pilgrim seems to have pulled a _why.
03:13 rangi heya druthb
03:01 druthb hi, mtj. :D
03:01 mtj heya druthb
02:59 druthb o/
02:56 mtj spread the aroha round...
02:55 rangi oh cool
02:55 mtj Koha repo on bitbucket -> https://bitbucket.org/koha/koha/overview
01:22 rangi sleep well
01:22 rangi :)
01:21 chris_n2 ok, off to sleep so I can stay awake during the meeting in a few hours :-)
00:55 rangi figured :)
00:55 chris_n2 too busy
00:55 rangi heya chris_n2 :) hows things?
00:55 chris_n2 heya rangi
00:53 rangi mtj: i concur
00:30 mtj its very relevant to the Koha project
00:30 mtj rangi: yeah, thats my favourite bit too