Time Nick Message 00:19 hguewmLibrarian ok. back again koha ninja-gurus 00:19 hguewmLibrarian best way to script a ftp transaction? 00:22 hguewmLibrarian no takers? 01:58 Brooke kia ora 03:10 druthb o/ 03:25 phlunk3 o/ snail race!! 03:28 Oak hello druthb :) 03:29 Oak hello #koha 03:29 druthb hi, Oak! :D 03:29 Oak :) what's new? 03:31 druthb not much...workin' on this and that. :) 03:31 Oak good 03:31 Oak time for breakfast here 03:32 druthb :) 04:02 phlunk3 yay for 5pm :) seeyas 04:22 rangi evening 04:31 druthb hi, rangi! 04:36 rangi heya druthb 04:36 rangi where in the world are you now? 04:36 druthb Columbia, TN, just south of Nashville. 04:37 rangi ahh cool 05:05 cait good morning #koha 05:08 rangi hi cait 05:08 cait evening rangi 05:22 Oak morning 05:31 Jignesh hi 05:31 wahanui que tal, Jignesh 05:31 Jignesh talk in english 05:32 Jignesh hello 05:32 Jignesh any one is there 05:32 cait Jignesh: wahanui is a bot :) 05:32 cait he sometimes does that, greeting people 05:33 Jignesh hi 06:29 alex_a hello #koha 06:31 rangi hi alex_a 06:33 alex_a hi rangi 06:38 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:38 cait hi magnuse :) 06:38 magnuse guten morgen cait 06:38 rangi heya magnuse 06:38 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 06:39 magnuse hehe, hiya rangi 06:45 reiveune hello 06:46 rangi hi reiveune 06:46 ropuch Morning #koha 06:47 rangi cześć ropuch 06:49 cait hi all bye all :) 06:49 cait will be back 06:58 ropuch The "Limit to currently available items" link in opac search result shoul work out of the box? 06:58 rangi there were some bugs about it, i think they are fixed, but not sure 06:59 ropuch Ok, I'll look into bugzilla ;> 07:00 magnuse kia ora paul_p 07:04 paul_p kia ora magnus & al 07:09 kf good morning #koha 07:13 ropuch Hello kf [; 07:13 alex_a kf: \o 07:15 rangi hi paul_p and wb kf 07:16 kf hi all :) 07:16 paul_p hello rangi. is there some RWC11 matches in wellington ? Do you plan to go to see some ? 07:17 rangi i went to the usa vs australia game 07:17 rangi cant afford the quarter finals 07:18 magnuse :-( 07:18 rangi id go see england vs france 07:19 rangi but that is in auckland 07:19 rangi same as nz vs argentina 07:19 rangi ireland vs wales and south africa vs australia in wellington 07:19 rangi i dont want to pay 150 to see those games 07:20 alex_a rangi: and you'd want to pay 150 to see france ? 07:20 alex_a ;) 07:21 rangi they are due to bounce back, id love to see them beat england :) 07:21 rangi teams i always like to see lose in rugby are, australia, south africa and england 07:21 rangi :) 07:21 magnuse hehe 07:22 alex_a haha 07:22 paul_p rangi, so I fear you're right to save the 150bucks for FR-EN. Because i'm not sure at all that you would have seen frenchies winning... frankly, i wouldn't bet a penny on them... 07:22 alex_a but it seems unlikely 07:22 rangi yeah, not the way they are playing at the moment 07:23 paul_p what does newspapers say about french game ? 07:23 rangi mostly focusing on tonga, which i think is good 07:23 rangi they did play way above what they normally play 07:23 paul_p (here, they say things like "they are the worst team ever: no plan, no leader, no revolt,..." 07:23 paul_p ) 07:23 rangi dont want to detract from them by talking about french mistakes too much 07:24 rangi i think, its the forwards 07:24 paul_p well, we loose against italy 5 months ago too, so it's not only Tonga playing better than usual. 07:24 rangi yup 07:26 rangi i think the coach might be in trouble 07:27 paul_p I bet for a final England-New Zealand. And victory of new zealand by 20 points. 07:27 rangi hmm, i think wales nz 07:28 rangi but you might be right 07:28 rangi it will be boring rugby vs running rugby 07:28 paul_p I would be happy to see wales, but they may be feared by winning a semi-final for the 1st time ever. And miss their match. 07:29 paul_p boring rugby--, running rugby++, /me will be for NZ, definetly. 07:29 rangi england = kick, kick kick kick kick, run fall over lose the ball forward, kick kick kick 07:29 paul_p and even in case of France<>NZ final, i'm not sure I would be unhappy to see all blacks winning... 07:30 magnuse run run run fall down kick in the face 07:30 rangi lol 07:33 magnuse rea jr is my hero when it comes to sports commentary ;-) 07:34 rangi heh yes 07:34 magnuse ooh, i'm looking forward to hearing the results of the kohacon12 vote tomorrow! 07:39 rangi :) 07:39 kf :) 07:39 kf scotland! 07:39 wahanui rumour has it scotland is pretty wicked too 07:40 magnuse norway got it's koha co-op one week ago, while i was sitting in a ferry half way to lofoten, here's the google translate version of an article about the founding meeting: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bibliotekforum.no%2Farticle.php%3Fid%3D2654 07:41 rangi woo hoo 07:41 magnuse ouch, i see now that the link to koha is wrong 07:41 magnuse i'm on it! 07:42 rangi :) 07:42 rangi it happens 07:43 magnuse :-/ 07:43 kf big news magnuse! 07:43 rangi great news! 07:44 magnuse yup! 07:45 magnuse i'll ask thomas gramstad to introduce the organization properly on the list or in the newsletter 07:45 rangi awesome 07:46 rangi should send a press release to m breeding too 07:46 magnuse yeah, very good point! 07:46 magnuse and i'll remind everyone about which website we want to promote 07:46 rangi :) 07:48 kf magnuse++ 07:49 rangi thats awesome news 07:49 rangi go scandanavia! 07:52 kf donum++ 07:52 kf (hopes she got that right) 07:52 kf should start with some positive karma 07:53 magnuse kf: quite right! 08:00 rangi donum++ 08:01 magnuse yay! 08:09 magnuse the link in the article is fixed now 08:10 rangi wow that was fast 08:10 magnuse hehe yep 08:13 rangi man its cold tonight 08:13 rangi @wunder wellington nz 08:13 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 08:13 magnuse @wunder boo 08:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0�C (9:50 AM CEST on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Steady). 08:13 rangi heh 08:14 magnuse ;-) 08:15 rangi 8.5°C 08:15 rangi Feels like 4°c 08:15 rangi http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington 08:15 magnuse ouch 08:15 rangi thats more like it 08:16 magnuse at least you are heading towards summer 08:16 kf @wunder Konstanz 08:16 kf fog 08:16 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 13.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Fog. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising). 08:16 rangi like the rugby ball in the forecast? 08:16 kf need no crystal ball for that 08:16 magnuse heh 09:12 kf @wunder Konstanz 09:12 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0�C (11:00 AM CEST on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). 09:50 rangi https://www.multivio.org/main/ <-- interesting 09:55 magnuse yay 10:02 kf oh 10:02 kf I saw a presentation from them I think 10:02 kf e-lib.ch 11:30 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6879] Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6879> 12:25 kf nengard around? 12:25 nengard yup 12:25 nengard :) 12:25 kf ah hi :) 12:25 kf I had talked to mpelletier on the chat before he sent his bugfix :) 12:25 kf I think he is only repairing the datail page, not the summary page 12:26 kf but it's an improvement 12:26 kf (actual price thingy) 12:26 kf the second screenshot is when you edit an order line 12:27 nengard kf ? oh!!! I get it, so you didn't close the basket - i tested on a closed basket so I didn't see the edit option 12:28 nengard and I'll change the status to signed off then if that's just the first patch 12:28 kf it should still be noted 12:28 kf but happy to see it getting better :) 12:28 nengard oh wait - not i won't 12:29 nengard hang on i'll put new images up there 12:30 kf ok 12:31 nengard updated 12:31 kf hmpf 12:31 kf have you tried the javascript thing? 12:31 nengard also, there is another bug report out there with a patch about storing actual price 12:31 kf perhaps it's still in cache? 12:32 kf there is one for not showing it as spent correctly - I had signed off on it 12:32 kf you had filed it 12:32 kf so glad someone else is testing acq - hope to get the most evil things out of it before release 12:33 nengard i tried shift refresh on the order line and it's still wrong 12:34 kf looking at the patch it seems not to change the javascript really, only relabeling some fields? 12:34 kf hm. 12:34 oleonard Hi #koha 12:35 kf he puts the unit price in there 12:35 kf which seems wrong 12:35 oleonard paul_p_ around? 12:37 kf nengard: hmmm - which field in the database is actual price saved to? 12:37 kf perhaps it IS unitprice 12:37 nengard unitprice 12:37 kf I am checkign our database right now and it looks right 12:37 kf ok 12:37 nengard I checked the db when testing 12:37 kf and that's what the patch does 12:37 nengard hi oleonard 12:37 kf weird it#s not working 12:37 kf hi oleonard .) 12:37 nengard it's not working cause that field isn't queried in the pages I think 12:37 * oleonard hands kf an eye patch 12:38 kf lol thx 12:38 kf nengard: ? 12:39 nengard kf, he only updated the template for neworderempty.tt 12:39 nengard maybe the template for the other page doesn't actually look at the unitprice field in the database 12:39 kf yes, but it's not working there right? 12:39 kf oh, is the edit template different? 12:40 kf basket summary is wrong - his patch doesn't touch it 12:40 nengard oh ? duh 12:40 nengard no you're right 12:40 nengard it's the same template 12:40 nengard maybe the edit is in the wrong place 12:40 nengard i don't know 12:40 kf me neither 12:40 kf hm 12:40 kf oleonard might know 12:40 kf ... 12:41 kf bug 5516 12:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5516 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ybeddyj, RESOLVED FIXED, Error in instructions 12:41 kf ah, no not that one 12:41 kf bug 6879 12:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary 12:43 oleonard What's the question? 12:44 kf why it doesn't work 12:45 kf because it looks so logical 12:45 kf oh 12:45 kf maybe something else is overwriting it ? the javascript calculation thing maybe? 12:49 kf sorry for not making much sense today 12:49 oleonard @later tell paul_p_ We should add the source for the KOCT to git 12:49 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded. 12:49 * oleonard finds it's simple to hack the KOCT to remember the patron barcode between transactions 12:50 paul_p_ oleonard, true 12:50 paul_p_ (& good morning) 12:51 * paul_p was wondering wether we should add it to koha or to another git repo. We could have KOCT evolving with different timelines. For example, one could release KOCT v2.0 with a new design, i18n, ... in december 12:51 oleonard If I go to the funds page and I have no budgets, shouldn't I be warned that I have no budgets? 12:51 * paul_p vote for git.koha-community.org/koct.git project ! 12:52 paul_p oleonard, if you have no budgets in the database yes. But if you just have no bugdet applicable to your login/branch/permission, not sure 12:52 kf oleonard: yes? 12:53 kf paul_p: I think an extra project would be ok for that 12:53 paul_p should I add a topic to the irc general meeting ? 12:53 kf paul_p: making it work for different firefox versions for example 12:53 kf paul_p: not the same timeline as our koha releases :) 12:54 kf nengard: are you going to mark failed qua? 12:54 nengard kf i did 12:54 nengard yes 12:54 kf I see that now , - sorry 12:54 kf lots of things today 12:54 nengard no prob 12:54 nengard i totally understand 12:54 nengard it's only my first full week back at work, so i'm also trying to do too much at once :) 12:55 kf how is it gonig? 12:55 kf your hip and all :) 13:06 kf hi talljoy 13:08 talljoy hiya! 13:08 oleonard Was trying to test 6879 but I can't even create a new basket 13:09 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 13:09 oleonard Hi brad, jcamins 13:10 brad hello, Can anyone tell me what emailpro and phonepro are used for on the bulk patron import in Koha? 13:11 brad it is actually night here, Thailand 13:12 oleonard brad: They were originally defined as "work email" and "work phone" I think, but in the current version they're labeled "secondary" 13:12 kf oleonard: where are you stuck? 13:12 kf sometimes I wish you could edit your own comments in bugzilla :( typos-- 13:12 kf hi trea 13:13 brad not stuck, just wanted to put the right data in the right place 13:13 oleonard kf: I'm on booksellers.pl and the supplier id isn't coming through to the template. 13:13 oleonard "new basket" link looks like this: basketheader.pl?booksellerid=&op=add_form 13:13 brad i thought it might be for the proffesional gauranteer 13:15 kf hm 13:15 kf I always create from the start page, searching all vendors 13:15 kf and then clicking new basket from the result list 13:15 brad the current version is still labled emailpro, i think the csv template is the same as the version from 2 years ago 13:15 kf another template toolkit thing I bet :( 13:15 kf like I said, good to get more people testing there 13:16 oleonard brad: I mean the label in the patron add form. The database table is still named emailpro 13:16 oleonard table column, that is 13:17 brad that's cool i didn't see it on the patron add form 13:17 brad emailpro 13:18 oleonard kf: I assumed it must be working for others if you and nengard are able to test the bug. 13:18 kf different way to create the basket 13:18 kf is my guess 13:19 kf do you have more than one vendor? 13:19 nengard what bug are we talking about 13:19 nengard sorry was working 13:19 oleonard Working?! 13:19 * oleonard is outraged 13:19 kf oleonard: ok, I tested in 3.4.4 right now 13:19 kf vendor detail page > manage orders > new basket works for me there 13:20 brad just did a view source on the add patron page it is work email :-) 13:20 kf vendor search result list > new basket works for me too 13:20 kf oleonard: where have you been looking? 13:21 oleonard I'm working with a fairly fresh database, just added a my first vendor. It got added with a NULL id! 13:21 brad thanks 13:22 brad have a good night :-) 13:22 maximep good morning #koha =) 13:23 oleonard That's why I couldn't add a basket 13:23 kf ouch 13:23 kf you didn#t name it null right? 13:23 kf because I did that once to test something with empty fields and got weird results :) 13:25 oleonard No, didn't name it null. But even though I've corrected my vendor entry I still can't create a basket. I wonder if my database is just messed up. 13:25 kf :( 13:25 kf what happens when you create a second vendor? 13:25 kf anything in the logs? 13:26 oleonard Hm, yeah... tons. 13:27 oleonard basketheader.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha`.`aqbasket`, CONSTRAINT `aqbasket_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`booksellerid`) REFERENCES `aqbooksellers` (`id`) ON UPDATE CASCADE) at C4/Acquisition.pm line 188 13:32 kf huh 13:32 kf when creating a new vendor? 13:32 paul_p can anyone tell me how to activate Recent comments view for the OPAC (allow users to see recently reviewed) ? (which syspref probably ?) 13:32 paul_p I see that for the 1st time in 3.4.0 release notes ! 13:33 kf paul_p: I think this is a new featuer for 3.6 actually? 13:33 kf not aware of that in 3.4 - but might be wrong 13:33 paul_p kf, well, it's in the releases notes of 3.4.0 : http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/ 13:33 * paul_p not aware too ;-) 13:34 kf oh 13:34 paul_p kf, note in your agenda we will organize a European Hackfest #2 in Marseille in march 2012 ( exact dates tbd) 13:34 oleonard It's there and active, it just doesn't have a link 13:35 kf bug 4473 13:35 oleonard opac-showreviews.pl 13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4473 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Recent comments view for the OPAC 13:35 kf paul_p: ah, march? 13:35 paul_p kf, yep 13:35 kf paul_p: have you seen kohacon might take place earlier next year? 13:36 kf I had hoped for something in autumn perhaps :) 13:36 paul_p april was a little bit too late. 13:36 paul_p kf, we saw (and I hope the KohaCon will take place un UK), that was the 2nd reason to set in march = 3 months before KohaCon 13:36 kf hm ok 13:37 paul_p we feel automn will be a little bit late/too far 13:37 kf I was thinking before the next release then 13:37 kf but first of all: great you are doing it again! 13:39 oleonard It's easy enough to add a "recent comments" link alongside "advanced search," "tag cloud," etc, but should it have a system preference? 13:39 paul_p oleonard, all other options have one, so I think yes. 13:40 paul_p I searched "recent" and "comments" in sysprefs, and could not find anything 13:41 kf paul_p: voting for a new system preference? ;) 13:41 kf but I agree - it's consistent 13:42 paul_p kf, yes, in french we say "exception confirm the rule" ;-) 13:42 ropuch Same in polish ;> 13:42 kf same in german too 13:42 kf 'ausnahmen bestätigen die regel' 13:43 ropuch I have some encoding issue on this terminal, so Ill spare you polish version in original ;> 13:43 jcamins In English that's "the exception that proves the rule." 13:46 jcamins :) 13:49 kf :) 13:50 maximep nengard: looking at your last comment on bug 6879. I have no idea of why it wouldn't work for you, unless the patch didn't apply :S 13:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary 13:51 maximep but if it didn't apply, it would show nothing. /me is confused 13:52 nengard hmm 13:52 nengard let me try a different browser 13:54 nengard maximep i just opened a new browser for the first time today and it's not showing ? i'm on mac and tested on FF7 and Chome 13:54 nengard Chrome 13:54 nengard not sure if that matters at all .. it shouldn't 13:54 maximep it's not showing ? 13:54 maximep still 99? 13:55 kf nengard: perhaps check your git log? 13:55 kf to see if the patch is there 13:56 * oleonard is scatter-brained this morning 13:58 nengard oh my ? i know what it is 13:59 nengard the patch wasn't a txt file when i first applied and didn't realize that bz apply didn't apply it :) hehe 13:59 nengard but my question is this - how does it work with the other actual price patch? 13:59 nengard do they clash? 13:59 maximep is there another? 14:01 nengard signed off 14:01 wahanui signed off is approval 14:01 nengard bug 4831 14:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4831 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Actual Price being ignored after receive 14:02 nengard maximep next time you attach a patch to a bug, check the box that says 'patch' so that bugzilla knows that it's a patch file and so that it works with git bz :) 14:02 maximep nengard: yeah, learned that. You have to show the advanced options to see that checkbox on the new bug page 14:02 maximep so didn't see it at first :/ 14:03 nengard no problem! 14:03 nengard i was sleepy this morning and didn't notice it wasn't checked so that's why the patch didn't actually apply 14:03 maximep I think my patch was made after 4831 14:03 maximep so it shouldnt clash 14:03 maximep but there's some stuff I don't understand in those parts of the code 14:03 nengard but 4831 hasn't been pushed ? has it? 14:04 nengard oh yes it has! 14:04 nengard awsome 14:04 nengard awesome 14:05 maximep nengard: should bug 6414 be marked as duplicate of 6879 ? 14:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6414 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , actual price not recorded when ordering 14:05 nengard i think so 14:05 nengard yes 14:07 kf oh 14:07 kf so you can do order and receive in one step then? right? 14:08 kf when you order and fill in the actual price at the same time? 14:08 kf because that would be neat :) 14:09 maximep my use case for doing the patch is after receiving the order 14:09 maximep there was no way to change the actual price 14:09 kf yep 14:09 kf we are getting there in acq 14:10 maximep we have so many more patches in that section :/ 14:10 kf maximep: do you have a repo for those? 14:10 kf new features or more bug fixes? 14:10 maximep no, but sending them in bug reports 14:11 maximep both 14:12 kf I was thinking with a public repo perhaps some people could help porting them 14:12 maximep we can't do a public repo of our code 14:12 kf ok 14:12 maximep client picks what we can send 14:13 kf on another thing: I had someone suggesting a way to create a suggestion from a z39.50 search 14:13 kf like: search the staff interface > found nothing > click on z39.50 > don't import the record into the catalog, but make a suggestion from it 14:14 kf good or bad idea? 14:14 kf do we have a way to do that? and I missed it? 14:15 oleonard Do we even have a way for someone to create a suggestion from the staff interface? 14:15 wizzyrea errm 14:15 wizzyrea kf that's quite brilliant 14:15 wizzyrea that's a good idea 14:16 trea ^^ 14:17 wizzyrea kf ,yes you can create a purchase suggestion 14:17 wizzyrea on /cgi-bin/koha/suggestion/suggestion.pl 14:17 wizzyrea "new purchase suggestion" 14:17 wizzyrea which you probably already found. 14:17 oleonard I'll bet you have to have suggestions management permission for that 14:17 wizzyrea probably 14:17 wahanui rumour has it probably is mate, Im not running the latest version on here 14:17 wizzyrea lol 14:17 wizzyrea forget probably 14:17 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot probably 14:18 * wizzyrea considers the word probably 14:18 kf wizzyrea: but using an existing record or one from the reservoir? 14:18 oleonard Not only that, suggestion management is locked into acquisition management 14:18 kf oleonard: you can do new suggestions, but you can't use an existing record for that I think 14:18 kf or a downloaded one 14:18 wizzyrea no, that isn't curerently possible I don't think 14:18 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/tXSGto4tDmiS 14:18 wizzyrea suggestion management should be locked to cataloging 14:18 wizzyrea instead of ac 14:19 kf oleonard: not necessarily I think, only if you want to inform about ordered and available. (being locked) 14:19 wizzyrea acq 14:19 kf perhaps we need both workflows 14:19 kf keep it flexible 14:19 wizzyrea *nod* 14:19 kf we are creating items in acq and cataloging 14:19 kf and both makes sense 14:19 kf depending on the library using it 14:19 kf I am filing an enh :) 14:19 kf yu can do another about unlocking hehe 14:19 oleonard kf: I don't see a granular permission for just suggestions 14:19 kf oleonard: I don't think there is one 14:20 oleonard right, I'm saying that significantly limits the ability of staff to make suggestions 14:21 kf bug 6967 14:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6967 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Create suggestion from z39.50 / existing records 14:21 wizzyrea making suggestions should be available to circ staff. 14:21 wizzyrea that's just how it is 14:22 wizzyrea patron says "hey do you have..." and staff says "no, let me put in your suggestion" 14:22 kf oleonard: not sure I can follow - what is the perm problem? 14:22 kf oleonard: do you need acq rights to access suggestions? 14:22 wizzyrea doh, I'm a circ clerk, i don't have perms 14:22 wizzyrea that's dumb. 14:22 kf ah 14:22 kf right 14:22 kf yep it should 14:22 wizzyrea we let patrons do that 14:22 wizzyrea PATRONS 14:22 kf or they would have to use the opac form 14:22 kf they could do that 14:23 kf or even be able to do a suggestion for a patron? 14:23 kf and what would be need to is add a hold for a book 14:23 wizzyrea right, but I don't think that's really fair 14:23 oleonard Hmm.... from suggestion.pl: flagsrequired => { catalogue => 1 } 14:23 wizzyrea to ask the staff to log into the opac 14:23 kf for the person suggesting it 14:23 wizzyrea just to make a suggestion 14:23 wizzyrea certainly the staff could train patrons to make suggestions 14:23 wizzyrea patron education is always good 14:23 kf wizzyrea: only thinking about a workaround for now - I agree it's not the best thing 14:23 wizzyrea right 14:23 wizzyrea i kno :) 14:24 kf wizzyrea: what about a checkbox 'place a hold for me on this suggeston'? 14:24 kf in the suggestion form? in opac especially 14:24 wizzyrea that is another great idea 14:24 wizzyrea or "if this item is acquired, place a hold" 14:24 wizzyrea but you'd have to be using acquisitions 14:24 wizzyrea or have a way to link the suggestion to an eventual bib outside of acquisitions 14:25 kf lol 14:25 kf and one I had before: bug 1887 14:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1887 enhancement, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW , Managing Suggestions - hold books for patron who requested 14:25 wizzyrea tee hee 14:25 wizzyrea 1887! 14:25 kf yep 14:25 kf oooold 14:25 wizzyrea that's old! 14:25 jcamins A good year! 14:25 wizzyrea keke 14:26 wizzyrea <3 I do that exact thing at the checkout lane at grocery stores: "Your total is 19.67" "oh, that was a great year" 14:26 wizzyrea get the funniest looks. 14:26 wizzyrea it would be even better if it was like 14:26 wizzyrea 20.34 14:26 wizzyrea "man that was a great year for wine" 14:26 wizzyrea "gotta go get in my tardis" 14:26 kf hehe 14:27 oleonard "Oh yay, date of the robot invasion!" 14:27 wizzyrea ^^ heeeee! 14:27 kf today is not friday! 14:27 kf back to work everyone 14:27 wizzyrea "oh man, you don't wanna know what happens then..." 14:27 wizzyrea sorry sorry 14:27 wizzyrea srs time is srs 14:27 * oleonard snickers 14:28 kf wizzyrea: I am quoting you on the bug 14:28 oleonard http://postimage.org/image/1uy3hltr8/ 14:28 wizzyrea suggestion.pl is one of those multi phase pages 14:28 wizzyrea kekeke 14:29 wizzyrea which bug 14:29 wizzyrea oleonard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/redhairs/4306112083/ 14:29 kf 1883 14:29 kf um 1887 14:30 wizzyrea o okies 14:30 kf on another thing 14:30 wizzyrea ic, cool. 14:30 kf i was told we are doing it all wrong 14:30 * wizzyrea gasps 14:30 kf because in koha you do vendor > basket > order line 14:30 kf > (items) 14:31 kf and it should be: items with a status ordered and a vendor and other inofrmation created 14:31 kf and create orders logically from that 14:31 kf by used fund or vendor 14:32 * wizzyrea ponders 14:33 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4473] Recent comments view for the OPAC <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4473> 14:33 oleonard Bam! 14:38 * jcamins goes to talk about teaching [with] Koha to library students. 14:38 kf oleonard is like batman :) 14:38 kf bam! 14:38 jcamins_away I feel like I've missed an important cultural thingy. This is the second time someone has referenced batman, and I really haven't gotten the reference either time (I know who batman is, but that's pretty much it). 14:39 oleonard jcamins_away: Never saw the 60's TV Batman? 14:40 maximep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onomatopoeia, right ? 14:40 * oleonard is actually referencing TV chef Emeril Lagasse via Chef Elzar on Futurama 14:40 wizzyrea spicy! 14:43 * oleonard wonders what the other Batman reference was 14:43 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6867] datelastseen is not imported from marc file <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6867> 14:47 * oleonard says "Bam!" on behalf of druthb 14:51 trea oh Elzar 14:52 trea you always knock it up a notch 14:52 wizzyrea keke 15:03 NateC Hi #Koha 15:03 oleonard paul_p, can I ask a question about the batch biblio mod tool? 15:04 paul_p oleonard, sure 15:04 NateC Say Hello to the New England Library Association Conference! 15:04 wizzyrea hiyas :) 15:04 oleonard paul_p: It's not clear to me how to add a whole new tag. Is it possible? 15:05 paul_p yes it is, but not in 1 step : 1st add a tag with 1 subfield, then add subfields 15:05 paul_p hi NateC 15:05 oleonard paul_p: Field [650], Subfield [Whole field], Action [Create field and subfield] ? 15:06 paul_p yep 15:06 oleonard What do I put in value? How does it know which subfield I'm adding? 15:10 oleonard paul_p: ? 15:14 paul_p oleonard, I can't answer now, working on something else & don't have the right branch at hand to test/check 15:14 * oleonard will wait 15:36 reiveune bye 15:41 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6966] Update Help Files for Koha 3.6 Release <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6966> 15:52 maximep Anyone is using tags ? Trying to use them in master in opac-detail.pl and they seem completly broken to me :S 15:53 nengard broken how, i use them on my test system fine 15:53 maximep looking at the code, it seems to always output Log in to add tags 15:54 maximep but the template is hard to read as it seems to be indented completly wrong 15:59 nengard oleonard did you look in to the highlighting on the z39.50 search page? the partner says he knows it was there - he says maybe in 3.0 .. anyway, just wondering what you found 16:00 oleonard 3.0? We didn't have that little inline menu in 3.0... 16:00 oleonard I tinkered with it yesterday and came up with some ideas, but nothing I'm satisfied with yet 16:00 kf maximep: only one library using it - in 3.2.2 - interested in problems you have found 16:05 nengard thanks for looking 16:16 oleonard Somehow the bix for Bug 6576 has broken auto-fill of the leader in the MARC edit screen. I wonder if it's also behind Bug 6959 16:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data 16:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6959 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page 16:17 hdl1 oleonard: what is the reason to store virtualshelves in C4::Auth session ? 16:17 hdl1 oleonard: it seems weird that when ppl delete a virtualshelf or add a new one, the session param is not updated. 16:18 hdl1 is there any reason I miss ? 16:18 oleonard hdl1: I don't know. I vaguely remember when that was done but I don't remember the reason. 16:23 kf hdl: making the var accessible in lots of templates? 16:24 kf only guessing :( 16:24 kf probably meaning something totally different, ignore me 16:24 wizzyrea git question: is there a way to make sure/retroactively apply tracking to a branch? 16:24 wizzyrea speaking of questions that don't make sense 16:32 hdl1 kf: it could be interesting if it could be updated when virtualshelves are updated. 16:32 hdl1 But the current behaviour is misleading. 16:33 oleonard Fun.... viewing source on addbiblio.pl crashes my Firefox :| 16:33 hdl1 ah:D 16:36 * Oak waves 16:36 kf hi Oak :) 16:36 Oak hello kf :] 16:36 kf seems the next shift is here... time to leave :) 16:36 kf bye all 16:38 oleonard Heh, almost crashed Chrome too. 16:38 wizzyrea O.O 16:40 oleonard This could be an indication that our MARC editor could slim down a bit 16:42 wizzyrea heh 16:44 wizzyrea how did I not know that you can batch edit from a list 16:44 * wizzyrea facepalms 16:49 oleonard Yeah, looks to me like the fix for Bug 6576 is the cause of Bug 6959. 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6959 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page 16:49 wizzyrea frownyface 16:49 wizzyrea can we fix both? 16:49 wizzyrea sorry that's a dumb question 16:49 wizzyrea are they mutually exclusive? 16:50 oleonard I assume not, but I haven't actually examined the changes in 6576, just isolated the offending commit 16:50 oleonard git_bisect++ 16:50 wizzyrea :) 16:54 sekjal oleonard: hmmm, if that's the case, this is my fault. will look into a solution 16:57 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6954] z39.50 results highlighting not sticking <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6954> 16:57 sekjal I think I found the problem with 6959 16:57 sekjal framework code 16:58 * wizzyrea probably had something to do with it too 16:58 wizzyrea oleonard: how do you even get to the batch bib edit 16:58 wizzyrea i'm looking at the patch, I'm mystified. 16:58 oleonard From the tools page 16:59 oleonard Just below batch item edit and delete 17:03 oleonard What makes a set of data (for instance, issues data) available to a notice? 17:05 sekjal oleonard: depends on the notice 17:06 wizzyrea i feel like I'm taking crazy pills 17:06 wizzyrea I've applied the patch for bug 5725, plus owen's follow up 17:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Batch modifications for Biblios 17:06 wizzyrea and I don't see any of it 17:07 * wizzyrea blames sunspots 17:07 oleonard You don't have the link on the tools page? 17:07 wizzyrea no 17:07 * wizzyrea will try it again 17:07 wizzyrea i must have done something dumb. it's been one of those kind of days. 17:08 oleonard Works for me after applying the patches on a fresh branch 17:08 wizzyrea i'll do it again. 17:08 oleonard wizzyrea: Permissions problem? 17:08 wizzyrea no, my user is a superlibrarian. 17:09 cait hi again all :) 17:19 wizzyrea hi cait 17:20 wizzyrea well something has gone wrong on my test server apparently 17:20 * wizzyrea gives in to the universe and runs screaming 17:21 cait ? 17:22 wizzyrea seems like the tech gremlins are out in force this week 17:22 wizzyrea I've had about enough of it 17:27 sekjal patch for 6959 sent 17:28 cait bug 6959 17:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6959 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page 17:29 nengard_lunch oleonard do you want to test 6959? 17:29 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6959] Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6959> 17:30 * oleonard will 17:32 Brooke kia ora 17:33 nengard anyone have any strong opinions on bug 6954? 17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , z39.50 results highlighting not sticking 17:33 nengard hi Brooke 17:34 Brooke the only feeling I have on that 17:34 Brooke is that I don't think it properly counts as a new feature 17:37 Oak Brooke !!! 17:37 Brooke Oak! 17:37 Brooke What a nice surpise 17:37 Oak really? 17:37 Oak :) 18:07 veel28 hi, I would like to find out if 1) librarian can input chinese (& english) characters into koha, 2) can koha run on mac 3)can user access koha remotely? 18:08 wizzyrea re: 2, you mean the server can run on mac? or the user can use it from a mac? 18:09 wizzyrea 3. users can always access koha remotely, as long as they have access to the server. 18:09 veel28 server can run on mac 18:09 wizzyrea I'm sure it can be done, but it's probably not optimal. 18:10 veel28 what about chines characters? can the library input Chinese chracters onto Koha? 18:10 wizzyrea I don't see why not, but I'm definitely not an encoding/languages expert 18:11 veel28 Thanks so much for the quick response, by the way. 18:11 ropuch Why not? 18:11 ropuch ;> 18:11 * wizzyrea moans about how there are a zillion things to know about koha and one person can't know them all (except maybe rangi_ 18:13 jcamins_away veel28: I would recommend against trying to run the server on a Mac, although it's probably _possible_. 18:13 wizzyrea you would probably be better off running a virtualbox on your mac 18:13 wizzyrea with debian in it 18:14 sekjal veel28: running Koha on a Mac server would be.... VERY challenging 18:14 sekjal if you can get it working, we'd love to see your notes 18:14 veel28 Thanks. Good to know. 18:14 sekjal but some of the dependencies may have to be compiled from scratch 18:33 oleonard sekjal: Signed off. I guess I'll file another bug for the leader autofill bug. 18:39 Brooke do we draw our facets from GSAFD? http://alcme.oclc.org/gsafd/OAIHandler?verb=ListIdentifiers&metadataPrefix=z39_19 18:40 Brooke or are they pulled from the records themselves which either draw on that or our collective beans? 18:43 oleonard Brooke: facets are drawn from the records in the search results 18:43 Brooke ta 18:44 oleonard Bug 6970 is the weirdest bug I've seen in a whlie 18:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , logout not redirecting to login page 18:45 oleonard Wasn't Firefox 7 supposed to be a big improvement? Mine has been so sluggish... 18:49 * magnuse hasn't noticed any great differences, except http:// is hidden in the URL "field" 18:49 rangi morning 18:50 magnuse kia ora rangi 18:50 rangi ata marie magnuse 18:50 magnuse yay 18:51 rangi ohh some kiva credit available 18:53 rangi koha group has loaned out over 300 now 18:53 cait :) 18:59 * magnuse *should* get around to engaging with kiva some day soon 18:59 Brooke morena rangi 19:00 rangi heya Brooke 19:04 cait magnuse: it's easy - register, get money, loan 19:06 rangi hmm 19:06 magnuse cait: yeah, i know... but how do you figure out who to give loans to? 19:06 rangi isn't there a delete/edit link on news items? 19:06 rangi in the staff client? 19:07 oleonard Yes, if you have the right permissions 19:07 cait magnuse: that's the hardest part, but not so hard. you can do it. 19:07 * rangi fails to understand the mail to the mailing list 19:10 cait which? 19:11 oleonard Did you respond rangi? 19:11 sekjal anyone know why Koha's sessions don't expire? 19:11 rangi nope oleonard 19:11 * oleonard will 19:11 jcamins So I was just talking with Thomas Krichel. He thought that the packages were configured such that only one Zebra daemon was indexing multiple databases. Is this true? 19:12 rangi no 19:12 magnuse cait: maybe i'll ask for some advice one of these days 19:12 magnuse ;-) 19:12 jcamins rangi: okay, that's what I thought, thanks. 19:12 sekjal CGI::Session has an expire() function that will delete the server-side session after some period of time 19:12 rangi yep 19:12 rangi but we use an inactivity timeout 19:13 rangi does it check that? 19:13 rangi not an absolute timeout 19:14 * rangi uses memcached for sessions, inactive ones get cleaned up for free 19:14 rangi plus a lot less db noise 19:14 rangi bbiab 19:14 rangi my stop 19:17 sekjal rangi: CGI::Session->expire() uses relative timeout 19:21 rangi cool, the only issue with that then, would be it wont change the timeout if the syspref changes, but thats ok 19:22 sekjal rangi: perhaps setting it as a longer-term fallback value 19:22 sekjal like a day 19:22 sekjal just so the system doesn't clutter up 19:22 sekjal not an issue with memcached, I know 19:22 rangi yup 19:22 sekjal and we've got the cronjob for mysql 19:22 sekjal but for /tmp 19:23 sekjal one needs a separate cron that's not bundled with Koha 19:23 sekjal or regular restarts 19:23 rangi yep, couldnt hurt 19:23 rangi a day of inactivity seems like a decent fallback 19:23 sekjal and it looks like each time get_session is called, it creates a new session 19:24 sekjal oh, no 19:24 sekjal reading further 19:24 sekjal the second param always for reading existing 19:25 sekjal wow, it feels like 5 or 6 in the evening already, for some reason 19:25 rangi heh 19:26 * oleonard wonders what that disconnection was about 19:26 Brooke it's only half 8 in the morning. toughen up mate. ;) 19:27 magnuse sekjal: i betcha it is 5 or 6 in the evening somewhere... ;-) 19:27 sekjal Greenland? 19:27 Brooke it's beer o clock in Brasil 19:27 ibeardslee only 1/2 8, but still feel like I'm overdue on about 3 cups of coffee 19:28 magnuse sekjal: probably 19:28 oleonard I was able to log out just fine a moment ago, and now I can't once again. 19:33 Brooke "For instance, 1,970 fiction access points were employed by online bookstores: 1,005 by Amazon.com and 965 by Barnes and Noble. The two reader advisory databases used a combined total of 1,381 access points, and the two library OPACs only 1,104." 19:33 rangi man, theres a crapload of stuff on the agenda for the meeting 19:33 Brooke yep 19:33 Brooke yep there is 19:33 jcamins Wait, is there a meeting today? 19:33 Brooke tomorrow 19:33 wahanui somebody said tomorrow was pizza friday! 19:34 Brooke somebody lied, waha 19:34 magnuse i wish, wahanui 19:34 wahanui magnuse: what? 19:34 jcamins wahanui: tomorrow is also the day after today. 19:34 wahanui okay, jcamins. 19:34 rangi in about 15 hours 19:34 magnuse whoever is going to chair better do so with an iron fist... ;-) 19:35 jcamins Good thing Brooke is going to be doing that. :) 19:35 jcamins Very iron-fisted, is Brooke. 19:35 Brooke am I really driving the bus again? 19:35 rangi hmmm interesting 19:35 wahanui interesting is good 19:35 jcamins Brooke: apparently so. 19:35 rangi https://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?job_did=J3I3Z2757LG90M7P555 19:35 jcamins Someone just said that. 19:37 rangi also 19:37 rangi http://www.geeklawblog.com/2011/10/playing-with-koha-open-source-library.html 19:39 magnuse "Koha is an amazing Integrated Library System (ILS)" 19:39 magnuse agreed 19:40 * oleonard wonders if he has what it takes to be a CYBER CODER 19:41 * oleonard puts his resume on his Jazz drive and heads for CA 19:42 rangi hehe 19:42 phlunk3 morning o/ 19:42 rangi hey phlunk3 19:42 wahanui i guess phlunk3 is being asked if I want marc21 or unimarc, so I guess I need to go and look at the old server and see what was used there, does anyone know where I can see that info? 19:43 cait forget phlunk3 19:43 wahanui cait: I forgot phlunk3 19:43 phlunk3 :( don't forget me guys. 19:43 Brooke aww <3 19:43 wizzyrea how could we possibly ;) 19:44 phlunk3 I even came today without any stupid questions :) 19:44 * wizzyrea didn't realize that stupid questions existed 19:45 magnuse the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked ;-) 19:45 sekjal bug 6970: I think I know what it may be 19:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , logout not redirecting to login page 19:45 phlunk3 okay okay, I didn't come with a question I forgot the answer to after asking it just days ago (ie, I came, less stupidly?) 19:46 magnuse you came, that's all that matters ;-) 19:49 rangi what was for lunch melia ? 19:51 melia roasted veggies (potatoes, carrots, parsnip, beetroot), pattypan squash (breaded and fried), and a steamed vegetable medley of broccoli, yellow wax beans, and red capsicum 19:51 melia (lots of side item dinner leftovers) 19:51 Brooke mmmmm capsicum 19:51 magnuse wow, that's some lunch! 19:51 rangi yum 19:52 * magnuse just had the first lamb chops of the season for dinner :-) 19:52 * Brooke drools. 19:52 Brooke Balducci's had a squash stuffed with wild rice that I nearly got, but I was jonesin for my usual. 20:00 oleonard sekjal: Strange that the delBasket function didn't cause the error in previous FF versions 20:00 * magnuse wishes #koha a good time of the day 20:01 oleonard I wonder if the redirect to about:blank is an attempt to complete the cookie operation 20:12 oleonard Hmmm... I might pop in, but meeting time is getting kids ready for school time for me, so don't count on me. 20:12 wizzyrea same here 20:12 oleonard until then, 20:12 wizzyrea farewelloweni'mgoingtobeatyou 20:12 wizzyrea sigh 20:13 cait meetin is tomorrow, right? 20:13 cait around 14 hours away? 20:19 rangi brb, new person just started 20:22 sekjal cait: yes 20:22 sekjal egad, 5am EST 20:23 cait egad? 20:23 sekjal an expression of dismay 20:23 cait oh 20:23 cait I had worse 20:23 sekjal it's going to be a long Wednesday 20:23 cait worse time for me is 4 am 20:23 sekjal that would be worse, yes 20:24 sekjal though it's 2am for California 20:24 sekjal probably won't be seeing that end of the ByWater team in attendance 20:24 jcamins Not sure you'll be seeing me. 20:24 cait important meeting - hope people will get up 20:24 bg yeah no kidding 20:24 bg hi jcamins 20:24 bg heya cait 20:25 jcamins Hey there, bg. 20:25 * wizzyrea tries to decide if she's staying up, or getting up 20:25 cait hi bg 20:25 cait :) 20:25 cait wizzyrea: no matter what you do - I will wait with virtual cookied and coffee :) 20:26 bg jcamins I was in NY last week - I meant to see if you were busy - sorry about that -- but it was great to be there 20:26 wizzyrea hehe 20:26 bg I love NYC 20:26 wizzyrea bg? 20:26 wahanui I LIKE BREAKFAST BURRITOS AND I LOVE BASEBALL 20:26 wizzyrea keke 20:26 wizzyrea trea? 20:26 wahanui trea is the support in the darkness. The watcher of tickets. He is the fire that brings status updates, the light that illuminates customers, the horn that wakes the devs, the shield that guards the realms of nerds. 20:26 jcamins bg: oh, I'm sorry I missed you! 20:26 jcamins bg: get to do anything fun? 20:27 bg jcamins: it was a really busy week - and my friend has a new baby that I got to meet 20:27 bg yup I stopped by carnegie deli 20:27 bg ;) 20:27 jcamins Mmm. 20:27 * jcamins loves the Carnegie Deli. 20:27 bg I really miss the good jewish deli's out here 20:27 jcamins Stage deli is good too. 20:27 jcamins As is Ben's. 20:27 * jcamins wants a pastrami sandwich now. 20:27 bg and I got a great slice 20:27 bg been awhile on that 20:29 jcamins Yeah, there are definitely food benefits to NYC. 20:31 cait hm 20:33 ropuch Hm, anybody using Lokalize? I have script that shows translated entry in context (file in whicg term occurs opened with sepcific line), but cannot get rid of annoing 'Cannot open source files: no scripts to do so are currently loaded' 20:33 ropuch Which is poping even with script working ;> 20:33 bg well I hope all is well jcamins :) been a little while since I've been in channel 20:34 jcamins Yeah, things are going pretty well. Very busy dotting 'i's and crossing 't's, and introducing myself to all and sundry. :) 20:36 wizzyrea any idea what the holdup is on 6253? 20:37 jcamins bug 6253 20:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine 20:39 rangi cait: bug 6958 has a patch now 20:39 bg most likely testing? 20:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6958 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Missing spaces in translated templates 20:40 rangi wizzyrea: thats pushed 20:40 rangi in june 20:40 rangi oh no it isnt 20:40 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6958] Missing spaces in translated templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6958> 20:40 rangi im looking at the wrong 20:41 rangi wizzyrea: just waiting qa 20:42 wizzyrea cool. I'll poke the qa guy. 20:44 wizzyrea actually - can I get someone else to sign off on that 20:44 wizzyrea it's a plea, you know you want to 20:44 wizzyrea it'd be fuuuun 20:46 ropuch rangi: do you have any understanding of c/cpp? 20:46 rangi cpp? 20:47 ropuch c++ 20:47 rangi enough to not want to ever touch it again :) 20:47 ropuch hehe 20:47 ropuch Q_SCRIPTABLE void setSrcFileOpenRequestAccepted(bool a){m_srcFileOpenRequestAccepted=a;} 20:47 ropuch bool m_srcFileOpenRequestAccepted; 20:48 ropuch I think it must be set to something after setSrcFileOpenRequest is succes 20:49 rangi i think that variable name needs more letters 20:49 ropuch But I'm not sure what 'bool a' is 20:49 jcamins AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! It's that library that KDE is based on? 20:49 jcamins That would have been so much more dramatic if I knew what it was called. 20:49 ropuch jcamins: nah, I'm trying to script lokalize to show context of transted entry in po file 20:50 rangi ropuch: i just use poedit 20:50 ropuch And I've done that, but there;'s this annoing popup alert 20:50 ropuch rangi: I switched do Lokalize ;> 20:50 jcamins ropuch: I don't see any problem with that method definition. 20:50 rangi sekjal: fwiw i agree with owen 6954 can go in 3.6.0 20:51 eythian http://www.classnamer.com/ 20:51 rangi void ThisVariableHasTooManyWordsInItOMGWTFBBQ 20:51 ropuch Yea :) 20:52 sekjal rangi: cool, thanks. shall I mark it Passed QA, or give the community a little longer for a dissenting opinion? 20:52 rangi maybe give it a day 20:52 sekjal k 20:52 cait bug 6954 20:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , z39.50 results highlighting not sticking 20:53 cait wish you people would use the word bug more often :P 20:53 cait ah, that's nice to have yes 20:56 ropuch rangi: can poedit open src file for translated entry? 20:56 rangi probably not 20:56 rangi i havent tried 20:56 ropuch Lokalize is only kde app on my box and I would gladly get rid of it 20:57 ropuch Bah 20:57 rangi have you tried gtranslator? 20:57 rangi i dunno if that can either 20:57 ropuch yup 20:57 jcamins ropuch: if you're trying to understand QT source (I remembered!), you're pretty much on your own, at least as far as my help is concerned. 20:58 ropuch jcamins: apart from creepy c source files, documentation on Lokalize simply does not exist ;> 21:07 wizzyrea cait: http://screencast.com/t/LLmbuIHX 21:07 cait hm? :) 21:07 wizzyrea lookie 21:07 cait aaaw 21:07 cait that was the idea -really :) 21:08 wizzyrea ppls here are pretty excited. 21:08 cait i did that once using jquery 21:08 cait it was terrible 21:08 rangi what bug was that? 21:08 cait adding css classes to the lables 21:08 wizzyrea the one that added css classes to the xslt 21:08 cait labels 21:08 rangi i really need to finish my openlibrary stuff, so it can pull in ebooks from there too 21:08 rangi ah cool 21:08 rangi yay cait ! 21:08 cait something easy :) 21:09 rangi easy but useful 21:09 wizzyrea extremely 21:09 jenkins_koha Starting build 454 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 21:09 wizzyrea everybody wants to poke at the way it looks 21:09 cait I pondered how to make it possible to hide the analytics links 21:09 cait and thought it might be better than adding yet another syspref 21:11 wizzyrea why can't you hide them with css if you want? 21:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6867: Date last seen ignored on import <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1e6aadf56fa8036eb9dc9e55b4bb6a50e5d26a8> 21:11 wizzyrea i mean, why can't you add a class to the analytics links 21:12 * wizzyrea ponders the need for a opacusercss library on the wiki 21:12 rangi seems like a good idea to me 21:12 wizzyrea intranetusercss too 21:12 rangi yes 21:12 rangi id love a heres some colour for the intranet css 21:12 rangi cos it makes me sad 21:12 rangi its all severe 21:13 rangi and DO YOUR WORK 21:13 cait wizzyrea: now you can :) 21:13 rangi at the moment 21:13 cait wizzyrea: that's the solution for my problem 21:13 cait analytics {display:none} :) 21:13 cait but this way it makes even more people happy 21:13 eythian http://blingee.com/ <-- just run the logo through this 21:14 cait ouch 21:14 * cait has gone blind 21:14 rangi heh 21:14 wizzyrea oh my lord eythian 21:14 wizzyrea please god no 21:14 cait where do you find stuff like that? 21:14 * wizzyrea scolds eythian heartily 21:14 wizzyrea don't make me get out my teacher finger. 21:15 cait germs? 21:15 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 21:15 eythian I memorised the internet 21:15 cait wizzyrea: can you scold him for that too? 21:15 cait if oyu are on it right now? 21:15 * wizzyrea gets out the teacher finger on eythian 21:15 * wizzyrea shakes it sternly 21:15 cait hehe 21:15 cait hi hguewmLibrarian 21:15 hguewmLibrarian dear koha ninja-gurus 21:15 * hguewmLibrarian waves at Cait 21:15 wizzyrea wb ;) 21:16 hguewmLibrarian yesterday i was having issue with automating a ftp script to auto-backup the koha database remotely 21:16 hguewmLibrarian i found a solution 21:16 hguewmLibrarian thought I'd share... 21:16 wizzyrea cait: I think the CSS hide is perfectly fine 21:16 wizzyrea oo yay 21:16 wizzyrea sharing! 21:16 * wizzyrea likes sharing 21:16 hguewmLibrarian there's a little program called ncftp 21:16 cait wizzyrea: hehe it IS - but that was the reason for my patch 21:16 hguewmLibrarian using the LCI 21:16 hguewmLibrarian you can automate it in one line 21:16 cait in german I would say 'wir reden aneinander vorbei' 21:16 * wizzyrea starts the opacusercss wiki page 21:17 wizzyrea ah yea I've seen that 21:17 hdl have a good night / day 21:17 eythian hguewmLibrarian: I just expose /var/spool/koha through the webserver and password protect it. 21:17 eythian every so often, script a wget of that 21:17 hguewmLibrarian :) 21:17 hguewmLibrarian ncftpput -u myname -p mypassword otherhost . foo upload files 21:17 hguewmLibrarian ncftpget -u myname -p mypassword otherhost . bar download files 21:17 hguewmLibrarian very cool eythian 21:17 wizzyrea poor hguewmLibrarian is trying to target a windows server 21:17 hguewmLibrarian all fixed. and targetted. 21:18 hguewmLibrarian nasty windows servers 21:18 wizzyrea i mean, he *has* targeted a windows server. 21:18 wizzyrea I have a target on my wall 21:18 wizzyrea that's got windows stickers on it 21:18 hguewmLibrarian there you go... knowledge for the masses 21:18 wizzyrea for my windows kills MUA HA HA HA HA 21:18 wizzyrea sorry. I'll be quiet now. 21:19 eythian yeah right 21:19 rangi heh 21:20 hguewmLibrarian so there you go 21:20 rangi http://interface-7.net/20030129/?Tuisays=Ill+be+quiet+now&Submit=Tui+Says 21:21 hguewmLibrarian muchas gracias koha ninja-gurus 21:21 wizzyrea lol, seems like you did it yourself 21:21 wizzyrea bother. 21:24 jcamins Didn't I fix bug 6971? 21:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6971 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order 21:24 rangi hmmm i seem to recall something liket hat 21:26 wizzyrea i wonder if we fixed it from ahb to abh 21:26 rangi git blame (or git log) will probably tell ya 21:26 jcamins wizzyrea: no, I would definitely have gone the other way. 21:27 jcamins Oh, I bet I know what happened. 21:27 jcamins I tried to fix it, then realized it was impossible without redoing the stylesheet, and gave up. 21:31 rangi :) 21:32 rangi meeting time, bbiab 21:34 maximep do you this would still work on master ? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS 21:34 maximep *do you think 21:35 phlunk3 got a question, when importing a marc record. "koha default item type" this should never get auto filled? Like, is the librarian expected to choose this each time they import, or is the system supposed to fill this due to knowing data from the marc record? 21:41 jcamins The librarian would have to fill it in. Item type might or might not correspond with any data instrinsic to the record. 21:44 jcamins Question: does anyone have any utilities for automagically pulling records into Koha using ISBN? Most of the time I work with materials that predate ISBN by, well, centuries, but every so often I'm asked to look at collections that have a significant percentage of new books, and for those original cataloging isn't really necessary. 21:45 wizzyrea our libraries do it using z39.50 21:45 jcamins wizzyrea: automagically, or by going through the z39.50 interface in cataloging? 21:45 wizzyrea ^^ that 21:46 jcamins Ah. Yeah, that's what I've been doing, but when we start talking about thousands of books, it gets silly. 21:47 wizzyrea well there's marcedit :P 21:47 jcamins Ooh. 21:47 jcamins Do you know, I hadn't thought of that. 21:48 wizzyrea i think it's got a handy dandy z39.50 interface in it 21:48 wizzyrea too 21:48 jcamins Yeah, I believe it does. 21:49 * jcamins considers a batch processor that works off-line, and associates a picture of the cover and a location/collection/callnumber/barcode with the ISBN, for a cross-check when processing the cataloging after the fact. 21:51 * jcamins dreams big. :) 21:51 jcamins Seems to me that shouldn't be so hard to do. 21:51 jcamins Name the pictures with the ISBN, easy peasy. 21:52 sekjal jcamins: there is a batch Z39.50 script which takes in a list of ISBNs 21:53 jcamins sekjal: that's a good start. :) Do you know where it is? 21:54 sekjal jcamins: looking 21:54 jcamins sekjal: thanks. 21:54 cait I think eythian has been working on somehting like that too 21:56 sekjal http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/en:documentation:perl_script_using_zoom_for_marc_records_from_z3950_server.html 21:57 jcamins Awesome, thanks! 21:57 jcamins sekjal++ 21:57 ropuch Awesome indeed, it'll save me ages of work [; 21:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #454: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/454/ 21:57 jenkins_koha ruth: Bug 6867: Date last seen ignored on import 21:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6867 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , datelastseen is not imported from marc file 22:17 phlunk3 on the marc record import system, can I set a default value for "koha default item type" so that it is always set? 22:17 rangi not that i know of 22:18 eythian phlunk3: it's by design 22:18 eythian (sorta) 22:18 eythian people don't change the default when they should if they aren't forced to 22:18 phlunk3 yeah I thought so as well, someone here was asking :) 22:19 phlunk3 or rather, spending an hour googling it instead of asking you guys lol. 22:19 phlunk3 irc-shy colleagues ;) 22:19 eythian heh 22:19 rangi heh most of them know me :) they dont need to be shy 22:20 phlunk3 btw, you guys are also in charge of koha.org right? 22:20 cait no,we are not 22:21 jcamins The Koha website is koha-community.org. 22:21 eythian wahanui: koha.org is <reply>the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about koha.org 22:21 rangi koha.org is controlled by a company hostile to the Koha project, and the community around it 22:21 wahanui ...but koha.org is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company... 22:21 rangi :) 22:22 eythian wahanui: literal koha.org 22:22 wahanui eythian: koha.org =is= old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company 22:22 phlunk3 ahh. which website is the official koha site? 22:22 rangi koha-community.org 22:22 wahanui koha-community.org is actually updated and right 22:22 jcamins koha-community.org. 22:22 wahanui i heard koha-community.org was actually updated and right 22:22 eythian no wahanui, koha.org is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company|controlled by a company hostile to the Koha project, and the community around it|<reply>the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about koha.org 22:22 wahanui okay, eythian. 22:23 jcamins koha.org? 22:23 wahanui koha.org is, like, old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company 22:23 jcamins koha.org? 22:23 wahanui rumour has it koha.org is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company 22:23 jcamins koha.org? 22:23 wahanui koha.org is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company 22:23 * jcamins stops. 22:23 eythian koha.org 22:23 wahanui the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about koha.org 22:23 eythian jcamins: you do it like that 22:23 phlunk3 thanks, anyway, am I fine to steal content explaining what koha is from that site and use it on my own site? I am just making a small site which will outline some open source projects briefly amongst over things and am really lazy with writing ;) 22:23 jcamins eythian: how did you do that? 22:23 eythian jcamins: magic 22:26 rangi phlunk3: yep just provide attribution, and a link back 22:26 phlunk3 ofcourse, txtx. 22:37 eythian "zcat ashs.sql.bz2 | sudo koha-mysql ashs" ... I wish I'd written that koha-mysql script ages ago, it's much more useful than I thought it would be. 22:37 eythian although I guess it should be bzcat 22:37 rangi yup 22:37 rangi that script is in the packages? 22:37 eythian yeah 22:37 eythian just the newer ones 22:37 rangi cool 22:40 jcamins eythian: ooh, brilliant! 22:40 eythian jcamins: I had one running the other day that used it to stream a dump from one machine, via my desktop over ssh, onto another. 22:40 eythian (the two machines can't talk to each other, but my desktop can) 22:41 eythian it saves the whole wait for the dump, wait for the reload process. 22:41 rangi *nod* 22:41 rangi trick 22:42 jcamins That's really cool. 22:42 jcamins Exceedingly, even. 22:47 cait hm 22:49 jcamins Grr. 22:49 jcamins The problem with it finally being cool out is that now butter won't soften. 22:50 rangi heh 22:50 rangi nuke? 22:50 jcamins The type of cookie I want to bake is very finicky, and they come out funny if you nuke the butter. 22:50 rangi ahh bummer 22:51 jcamins I may make a different kind of cookie instead. 22:51 rangi rest on top of the oven? 22:51 jcamins Or decide I don't care. ;) 22:51 jcamins Yeah, that's a possibility. 22:51 jcamins In fact, that's probably what I'm going to do, because I really want sandtarts. 22:51 rangi :) 22:52 cait mmmh 22:55 jcamins Oh my. The stock markets are predicting a recession. 22:55 jcamins I am shocked. 22:55 jcamins Truly, I thought the global economy was booming. 22:55 rangi heh 22:55 jcamins Is reporting as bad in NZ as it is in the States? 22:55 ibeardslee 'the stock markets' or 'the people manipulating the stock markets'? 22:56 ibeardslee worse .. we have an idiot PM that things all is well 22:56 ibeardslee s/things/thinks/ 22:56 rangi jcamins: yeah, its bad the world over afaict, a good article is the exception not the rule 22:56 rangi journalism is a dead art 22:56 ibeardslee .. .. of course that's giving him the benefit of the doubt that he actually thinks 22:57 rangi http://i.imgur.com/856Xz.jpg 22:57 rangi courtesy of eythian 22:58 jcamins Is it bad that I can't tell for sure whether that's a real tabloid cover or not? 22:58 rangi hehe yeah 22:59 jcamins It'd be hysterical, if it weren't for that bit of doubt that says "but, that could be real." 22:59 rangi unfortunately it kinda is real 22:59 rangi thats how this election is being run 23:00 rangi its about the quietest general election i can remember 23:01 jcamins Yikes. 23:04 eythian pity the main competing party can't campaign its way out of a paper bag at the moment, either. 23:04 rangi yeah 23:04 rangi ppl like its policies, the polls show 23:04 rangi hate all the ppl presenting them 23:05 rangi they have an easy run 23:05 rangi no asset sales, capital gains tax 23:05 rangi but everyone just goes, 'phill goff i hate that guy' 23:05 rangi (i do too) 23:06 jcamins And no one in the party noticed that they had an unpopular candidate when discussing the nomination? 23:08 rangi they seem to be a pretty retarded party 23:08 rangi and often seem to forget they are in opposition 23:08 rangi youre supposed to oppose things, not cave like a stack of cards on every damn issue 23:09 jcamins Really? Well, darn, I guess I got opposition wrong. 23:09 rangi :) 23:10 * jcamins goes back to the drawing board, and comes up with a new slogan for the opposition party: "We think you're probably doing it wrong, even if we proposed that bill." 23:11 ibeardslee they have shown themselves to be fairly impotent .. pretty sad really, Helen was a driver, but lost it by getting carried way with the nanny state 23:13 ibeardslee I think that has driven people towards the green party 23:15 ibeardslee The greens seem to have suddenly grown up .. not fully sure if it from having to grow up because they are now a viable alternative .. or if them being a viable alternative is because they have grown up 23:15 ibeardslee .. ... anyway, I should take that into #nzpolitics 23:15 rangi :-) 23:16 rangi this is the big issue at the election for me 23:17 rangi http://publicaddress.net/referendum/tool/ 23:18 eythian I don't get the fact it's an issue. It's only a small number of noisy people who want STV isn't it? 23:19 rangi i think quite a few want to go back to FPP 23:19 rangi hopefully not that many 23:20 eythian err 23:20 eythian yeah, FPP, not STV 23:21 ibeardslee that tool has some very tricky questions 23:22 ibeardslee Q6 .. one party is ideal .. but needs to represent the majority of voters 23:25 rangi yeah 23:25 rangi in the ideal world yeah 23:31 ibeardslee But I just can't find that option 'ibeardslee as Benevolent Dictator for Life" 23:32 eythian yeah, I was looking for that too. 23:33 eythian (in order to put "strongly disagree" on it) 23:33 rangi heh 23:38 rangi http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Feature-Articles/Linus-Torvalds-s-Lessons-on-Software-Development-Management/ba-p/440 23:38 rangi “The other thing—and it's kind of related—that people seem to get wrong is to think that the code they write is what matters,†says Torvalds. Most software development managers have seen this one. “No, even if you wrote 100% of the code, and even if you are the best programmer in the world and will never need any help with the project at all, the thing that really matters is the users of the code. The code itself is unimportant; the project is 23:38 rangi i like that bit