Time  Nick              Message
00:19 hguewmLibrarian   ok. back again koha ninja-gurus
00:19 hguewmLibrarian   best way to script a ftp transaction?
00:22 hguewmLibrarian   no takers?
01:58 Brooke            kia ora
03:10 druthb            o/
03:25 phlunk3           o/  snail race!!
03:28 Oak               hello druthb :)
03:29 Oak               hello #koha
03:29 druthb            hi, Oak! :D
03:29 Oak               :) what's new?
03:31 druthb            not much...workin' on this and that.  :)
03:31 Oak               good
03:31 Oak               time for breakfast here
03:32 druthb            :)
04:02 phlunk3           yay for 5pm :) seeyas
04:22 rangi             evening
04:31 druthb            hi, rangi!
04:36 rangi             heya druthb
04:36 rangi             where in the world are you now?
04:36 druthb            Columbia, TN, just south of Nashville.
04:37 rangi             ahh cool
05:05 cait              good morning #koha
05:08 rangi             hi cait
05:08 cait              evening rangi
05:22 Oak               morning
05:31 Jignesh           hi
05:31 wahanui           que tal, Jignesh
05:31 Jignesh           talk in english
05:32 Jignesh           hello
05:32 Jignesh           any one is there
05:32 cait              Jignesh: wahanui is a bot :)
05:32 cait              he sometimes does that, greeting people
05:33 Jignesh           hi
06:29 alex_a            hello #koha
06:31 rangi             hi alex_a
06:33 alex_a            hi rangi
06:38 magnuse           kia ora #koha
06:38 cait              hi magnuse :)
06:38 magnuse           guten morgen cait
06:38 rangi             heya magnuse
06:38 wahanui           magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
06:39 magnuse           hehe, hiya rangi
06:45 reiveune          hello
06:46 rangi             hi reiveune
06:46 ropuch            Morning #koha
06:47 rangi             cześć ropuch
06:49 cait              hi all bye all :)
06:49 cait              will be back
06:58 ropuch            The "Limit to currently available items" link in opac search result shoul work out of the box?
06:58 rangi             there were some bugs about it, i think they are fixed, but not sure
06:59 ropuch            Ok, I'll look into bugzilla ;>
07:00 magnuse           kia ora paul_p
07:04 paul_p            kia ora magnus & al
07:09 kf                good morning #koha
07:13 ropuch            Hello kf [;
07:13 alex_a            kf: \o
07:15 rangi             hi paul_p and wb kf
07:16 kf                hi all :)
07:16 paul_p            hello rangi. is there some RWC11 matches in wellington ? Do you plan to go to see some ?
07:17 rangi             i went to the usa vs australia game
07:17 rangi             cant afford the quarter finals
07:18 magnuse           :-(
07:18 rangi             id go see england vs france
07:19 rangi             but that is in auckland
07:19 rangi             same as nz vs argentina
07:19 rangi             ireland vs wales and south africa vs australia in wellington
07:19 rangi             i dont want to pay 150 to see those games
07:20 alex_a            rangi: and you'd want to pay 150 to see france ?
07:20 alex_a            ;)
07:21 rangi             they are due to bounce back, id love to see them beat england :)
07:21 rangi             teams i always like to see lose in rugby are, australia, south africa and england
07:21 rangi             :)
07:21 magnuse           hehe
07:22 alex_a            haha
07:22 paul_p            rangi, so I fear you're right to save the 150bucks for FR-EN. Because i'm not sure at all that you would have seen frenchies winning... frankly, i wouldn't bet a penny on them...
07:22 alex_a            but it seems unlikely
07:22 rangi             yeah, not the way they are playing at the moment
07:23 paul_p            what does newspapers say about french game ?
07:23 rangi             mostly focusing on tonga, which i think is good
07:23 rangi             they did play way above what they normally play
07:23 paul_p            (here, they say things like "they are the worst team ever: no plan, no leader, no revolt,..."
07:23 paul_p            )
07:23 rangi             dont want to detract from them by talking about french mistakes too much
07:24 rangi             i think, its the forwards
07:24 paul_p            well, we loose against italy 5 months ago too, so it's not only Tonga playing better than usual.
07:24 rangi             yup
07:26 rangi             i think the coach might be in trouble
07:27 paul_p            I bet for a final England-New Zealand. And victory of new zealand by 20 points.
07:27 rangi             hmm, i think wales nz
07:28 rangi             but you might be right
07:28 rangi             it will be boring rugby vs running rugby
07:28 paul_p            I would be happy to see wales, but they may be feared by winning a semi-final for the 1st time ever. And miss their match.
07:29 paul_p            boring rugby--, running rugby++, /me will be for NZ, definetly.
07:29 rangi             england = kick, kick kick kick kick, run fall over lose the ball forward, kick kick kick
07:29 paul_p            and even in case of France<>NZ final, i'm not sure I would be unhappy to see all blacks winning...
07:30 magnuse           run run run fall down kick in the face
07:30 rangi             lol
07:33 magnuse           rea jr is my hero when it comes to sports commentary ;-)
07:34 rangi             heh yes
07:34 magnuse           ooh, i'm looking forward to hearing the results of the kohacon12 vote tomorrow!
07:39 rangi             :)
07:39 kf                :)
07:39 kf                scotland!
07:39 wahanui           rumour has it scotland is pretty wicked too
07:40 magnuse           norway got it's koha co-op one week ago, while i was sitting in a ferry half way to lofoten, here's the google translate version of an article about the founding meeting: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bibliotekforum.no%2Farticle.php%3Fid%3D2654
07:41 rangi             woo hoo
07:41 magnuse           ouch, i see now that the link to koha is wrong
07:41 magnuse           i'm on it!
07:42 rangi             :)
07:42 rangi             it happens
07:43 magnuse           :-/
07:43 kf                big news magnuse!
07:43 rangi             great news!
07:44 magnuse           yup!
07:45 magnuse           i'll ask thomas gramstad to introduce the organization properly on the list or in the newsletter
07:45 rangi             awesome
07:46 rangi             should send a press release to m breeding too
07:46 magnuse           yeah, very good point!
07:46 magnuse           and i'll remind everyone about which website we want to promote
07:46 rangi             :)
07:48 kf                magnuse++
07:49 rangi             thats awesome news
07:49 rangi             go scandanavia!
07:52 kf                donum++
07:52 kf                (hopes she got that right)
07:52 kf                should start with some positive karma
07:53 magnuse           kf: quite right!
08:00 rangi             donum++
08:01 magnuse           yay!
08:09 magnuse           the link in the article is fixed now
08:10 rangi             wow that was fast
08:10 magnuse           hehe yep
08:13 rangi             man its cold tonight
08:13 rangi             @wunder wellington nz
08:13 huginn            rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
08:13 magnuse           @wunder boo
08:13 huginn            magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0�C (9:50 AM CEST on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Steady).
08:13 rangi             heh
08:14 magnuse           ;-)
08:15 rangi             8.5°C
08:15 rangi             Feels like 4°c
08:15 rangi             http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington
08:15 magnuse           ouch
08:15 rangi             thats more like it
08:16 magnuse           at least you are heading towards summer
08:16 kf                @wunder Konstanz
08:16 kf                fog
08:16 huginn            kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 13.0�C (10:00 AM CEST on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Fog. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
08:16 rangi             like the rugby ball in the forecast?
08:16 kf                need no crystal ball for that
08:16 magnuse           heh
09:12 kf                @wunder Konstanz
09:12 huginn            kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0�C (11:00 AM CEST on October 04, 2011). Conditions: Heavy Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
09:50 rangi             https://www.multivio.org/main/  <-- interesting
09:55 magnuse           yay
10:02 kf                oh
10:02 kf                I saw a presentation from them I think
10:02 kf                e-lib.ch
11:30 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6879] Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6879>
12:25 kf                nengard around?
12:25 nengard           yup
12:25 nengard           :)
12:25 kf                ah hi :)
12:25 kf                I had talked to mpelletier on the chat before he sent his bugfix :)
12:25 kf                I think he is only repairing the datail page, not the summary page
12:26 kf                but it's an improvement
12:26 kf                (actual price thingy)
12:26 kf                the second screenshot is when you edit an order line
12:27 nengard           kf ? oh!!! I get it, so you didn't close the basket - i tested on a closed basket so I didn't see the edit option
12:28 nengard           and I'll change the status to signed off then if that's just the first patch
12:28 kf                it should still be noted
12:28 kf                but happy to see it getting better :)
12:28 nengard           oh wait - not i won't
12:29 nengard           hang on i'll put new images up there
12:30 kf                ok
12:31 nengard           updated
12:31 kf                hmpf
12:31 kf                have you tried the javascript thing?
12:31 nengard           also, there is another bug report out there with a patch about storing actual price
12:31 kf                perhaps it's still in cache?
12:32 kf                there is one for not showing it as spent correctly - I had signed off on it
12:32 kf                you had filed it
12:32 kf                so glad someone else is testing acq - hope to get the most evil things out of it before release
12:33 nengard           i tried shift refresh on the order line and it's still wrong
12:34 kf                looking at the patch it seems not to change the javascript really, only relabeling some fields?
12:34 kf                hm.
12:34 oleonard          Hi #koha
12:35 kf                he puts the unit price in there
12:35 kf                which seems wrong
12:35 oleonard          paul_p_ around?
12:37 kf                nengard: hmmm - which field in the database is actual price saved to?
12:37 kf                perhaps it IS unitprice
12:37 nengard           unitprice
12:37 kf                I am checkign our database right now and it looks right
12:37 kf                ok
12:37 nengard           I checked the db when testing
12:37 kf                and that's what the patch does
12:37 nengard           hi oleonard
12:37 kf                weird it#s not working
12:37 kf                hi oleonard .)
12:37 nengard           it's not working cause that field isn't queried in the pages I think
12:37 * oleonard        hands kf an eye patch
12:38 kf                lol thx
12:38 kf                nengard: ?
12:39 nengard           kf, he only updated the template for neworderempty.tt
12:39 nengard           maybe the template for the other page doesn't actually look at the unitprice field in the database
12:39 kf                yes, but it's not working there right?
12:39 kf                oh, is the edit template different?
12:40 kf                basket summary is wrong - his patch doesn't touch it
12:40 nengard           oh ? duh
12:40 nengard           no you're right
12:40 nengard           it's the same template
12:40 nengard           maybe the edit is in the wrong place
12:40 nengard           i don't know
12:40 kf                me neither
12:40 kf                hm
12:40 kf                oleonard might know
12:40 kf                ...
12:41 kf                bug 5516
12:41 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5516 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ybeddyj, RESOLVED FIXED, Error in instructions
12:41 kf                ah, no not that one
12:41 kf                bug 6879
12:41 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary
12:43 oleonard          What's the question?
12:44 kf                why it doesn't work
12:45 kf                because it looks so logical
12:45 kf                oh
12:45 kf                maybe something else is overwriting it ? the javascript calculation thing maybe?
12:49 kf                sorry for not making much sense today
12:49 oleonard          @later tell paul_p_ We should add the source for the KOCT to git
12:49 huginn            oleonard: The operation succeeded.
12:49 * oleonard        finds it's simple to hack the KOCT to remember the patron barcode between transactions
12:50 paul_p_           oleonard, true
12:50 paul_p_           (& good morning)
12:51 * paul_p          was wondering wether we should add it to koha or to another git repo. We could have KOCT evolving with different timelines. For example, one could release KOCT v2.0 with a new design, i18n, ... in december
12:51 oleonard          If I go to the funds page and I have no budgets, shouldn't I be warned that I have no budgets?
12:51 * paul_p          vote for git.koha-community.org/koct.git project !
12:52 paul_p            oleonard, if you have no budgets in the database yes. But if you just have no bugdet applicable to your login/branch/permission, not sure
12:52 kf                oleonard: yes?
12:53 kf                paul_p: I think an extra project would be ok for that
12:53 paul_p            should I add a topic to the irc general meeting ?
12:53 kf                paul_p: making it work for different firefox versions for example
12:53 kf                paul_p: not the same timeline as our koha releases :)
12:54 kf                nengard: are you going to mark failed qua?
12:54 nengard           kf i did
12:54 nengard           yes
12:54 kf                I see that now , - sorry
12:54 kf                lots of things today
12:54 nengard           no prob
12:54 nengard           i totally understand
12:54 nengard           it's only my first full week back at work, so i'm also trying to do too much at once :)
12:55 kf                how is it gonig?
12:55 kf                your hip and all :)
13:06 kf                hi talljoy
13:08 talljoy           hiya!
13:08 oleonard          Was trying to test 6879 but I can't even create a new basket
13:09 jcamins           Good morning, #koha.
13:09 oleonard          Hi brad, jcamins
13:10 brad              hello, Can anyone tell me what emailpro and phonepro are used for on the bulk patron import in Koha?
13:11 brad              it is actually night here, Thailand
13:12 oleonard          brad: They were originally defined as "work email" and "work phone" I think, but in the current version they're labeled "secondary"
13:12 kf                oleonard: where are you stuck?
13:12 kf                sometimes I wish you could edit your own comments in bugzilla :( typos--
13:12 kf                hi trea
13:13 brad              not stuck, just wanted to put the right data in the right place
13:13 oleonard          kf: I'm on booksellers.pl and the supplier id isn't coming through to the template.
13:13 oleonard          "new basket" link looks like this: basketheader.pl?booksellerid=&op=add_form
13:13 brad              i thought it might be for the proffesional gauranteer
13:15 kf                hm
13:15 kf                I always create from the start page, searching all vendors
13:15 kf                and then clicking new basket from the result list
13:15 brad              the current version is still labled emailpro, i think the csv template is the same as the version from 2 years ago
13:15 kf                another template toolkit thing I bet :(
13:15 kf                like I said, good to get more people testing there
13:16 oleonard          brad: I mean the label in the patron add form. The database table is still named emailpro
13:16 oleonard          table column, that is
13:17 brad              that's cool i didn't see it on the patron add form
13:17 brad              emailpro
13:18 oleonard          kf: I assumed it must be working for others if you and nengard are able to test the bug.
13:18 kf                different way to create the basket
13:18 kf                is my guess
13:19 kf                do you have more than one vendor?
13:19 nengard           what bug are we talking about
13:19 nengard           sorry was working
13:19 oleonard          Working?!
13:19 * oleonard        is outraged
13:19 kf                oleonard: ok, I tested in 3.4.4 right now
13:19 kf                vendor detail page > manage orders > new basket works for me there
13:20 brad              just did a view source on the add patron page it is work email :-)
13:20 kf                vendor search result list > new basket works for me too
13:20 kf                oleonard: where have you been looking?
13:21 oleonard          I'm working with a fairly fresh database, just added a my first vendor. It got added with a NULL id!
13:21 brad              thanks
13:22 brad              have a good night :-)
13:22 maximep           good morning #koha =)
13:23 oleonard          That's why I couldn't add a basket
13:23 kf                ouch
13:23 kf                you didn#t name it null right?
13:23 kf                because I did that once to test something with empty fields and got weird results :)
13:25 oleonard          No, didn't name it null. But even though I've corrected my vendor entry I still can't create a basket. I wonder if my database is just messed up.
13:25 kf                :(
13:25 kf                what happens when you create a second vendor?
13:25 kf                anything in the logs?
13:26 oleonard          Hm, yeah... tons.
13:27 oleonard          basketheader.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha`.`aqbasket`, CONSTRAINT `aqbasket_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`booksellerid`) REFERENCES `aqbooksellers` (`id`) ON UPDATE CASCADE) at C4/Acquisition.pm line 188
13:32 kf                huh
13:32 kf                when creating a new vendor?
13:32 paul_p            can anyone tell me how to activate Recent comments view for the OPAC (allow users to see recently reviewed) ? (which syspref probably ?)
13:32 paul_p            I see that for the 1st time in 3.4.0 release notes !
13:33 kf                paul_p: I think this is  a new featuer for 3.6 actually?
13:33 kf                not aware of that in 3.4 - but might be wrong
13:33 paul_p            kf, well, it's in the releases notes of 3.4.0 : http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-0-released/
13:33 * paul_p          not aware too ;-)
13:34 kf                oh
13:34 paul_p            kf, note in your agenda we will organize a European Hackfest #2 in Marseille in march 2012 ( exact dates tbd)
13:34 oleonard          It's there and active, it just doesn't have a link
13:35 kf                bug 4473
13:35 oleonard          opac-showreviews.pl
13:35 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4473 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Recent comments view for the OPAC
13:35 kf                paul_p: ah, march?
13:35 paul_p            kf, yep
13:35 kf                paul_p: have you seen kohacon might take place earlier next year?
13:36 kf                I had hoped for something in autumn perhaps :)
13:36 paul_p            april was a little bit too late.
13:36 paul_p            kf, we saw (and I hope the KohaCon will take place un UK), that was the 2nd reason to set in march = 3 months before KohaCon
13:36 kf                hm ok
13:37 paul_p            we feel automn will be a little bit late/too far
13:37 kf                I was thinking before the next release then
13:37 kf                but first of all: great you are doing it again!
13:39 oleonard          It's easy enough to add a "recent comments" link alongside "advanced search," "tag cloud," etc, but should it have a system preference?
13:39 paul_p            oleonard, all other options have one, so I think yes.
13:40 paul_p            I searched "recent" and "comments" in sysprefs, and could not find anything
13:41 kf                paul_p: voting for a new system preference? ;)
13:41 kf                but I agree - it's consistent
13:42 paul_p            kf, yes, in french we say "exception confirm the rule" ;-)
13:42 ropuch            Same in polish ;>
13:42 kf                same in german too
13:42 kf                'ausnahmen bestätigen die regel'
13:43 ropuch            I have some encoding issue on this terminal, so Ill spare you polish version in original ;>
13:43 jcamins           In English that's "the exception that proves the rule."
13:46 jcamins           :)
13:49 kf                :)
13:50 maximep           nengard: looking at your last comment on bug 6879. I have no idea of why it wouldn't work for you, unless the patch didn't apply :S
13:50 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6879 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Actual price should show correctly on order line and basket summary
13:51 maximep           but if it didn't apply, it would show nothing. /me is confused
13:52 nengard           hmm
13:52 nengard           let me try a different browser
13:54 nengard           maximep i just opened a new browser for the first time today and it's not showing ? i'm on mac and tested on FF7 and Chome
13:54 nengard           Chrome
13:54 nengard           not sure if that matters at all .. it shouldn't
13:54 maximep           it's not showing ?
13:54 maximep           still 99?
13:55 kf                nengard: perhaps check your git log?
13:55 kf                to see if the patch is there
13:56 * oleonard        is scatter-brained this morning
13:58 nengard           oh my ? i know what it is
13:59 nengard           the patch wasn't a txt file when i first applied and didn't realize that bz apply didn't apply it :) hehe
13:59 nengard           but my question is this - how does it work with the other actual price patch?
13:59 nengard           do they clash?
13:59 maximep           is there another?
14:01 nengard           signed off
14:01 wahanui           signed off is approval
14:01 nengard           bug 4831
14:01 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4831 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Actual Price being ignored after receive
14:02 nengard           maximep next time you attach a patch to a bug, check the box that says 'patch' so that bugzilla knows that it's a patch file and so that it works with git bz :)
14:02 maximep           nengard: yeah, learned that. You have to show the advanced options to see that checkbox on the new bug page
14:02 maximep           so didn't see it at first :/
14:03 nengard           no problem!
14:03 nengard           i was sleepy this morning and didn't notice it wasn't checked so that's why the patch didn't actually apply
14:03 maximep           I think my patch was made after 4831
14:03 maximep           so it shouldnt clash
14:03 maximep           but there's some stuff I don't understand in those parts of the code
14:03 nengard           but 4831 hasn't been pushed ? has it?
14:04 nengard           oh yes it has!
14:04 nengard           awsome
14:04 nengard           awesome
14:05 maximep           nengard: should bug 6414 be marked as duplicate of 6879 ?
14:05 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6414 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , actual price not recorded when ordering
14:05 nengard           i think so
14:05 nengard           yes
14:07 kf                oh
14:07 kf                so you can do order and receive in one step then? right?
14:08 kf                when you order and fill in the actual price at the same time?
14:08 kf                because that would be neat :)
14:09 maximep           my use case for doing the patch is after receiving the order
14:09 maximep           there was no way to change the actual price
14:09 kf                yep
14:09 kf                we are getting there in acq
14:10 maximep           we have so many more patches in that section :/
14:10 kf                maximep: do you have a repo for those?
14:10 kf                new features or more bug fixes?
14:10 maximep           no, but sending them in bug reports
14:11 maximep           both
14:12 kf                I was thinking with a public repo perhaps some people could help porting them
14:12 maximep           we can't do a public repo of our code
14:12 kf                ok
14:12 maximep           client picks what we can send
14:13 kf                on another thing: I had someone suggesting a way to create a suggestion from a z39.50 search
14:13 kf                like: search the staff interface > found nothing > click on z39.50 > don't import the record into the catalog, but make a suggestion from it
14:14 kf                good or bad idea?
14:14 kf                do we have a way to do that? and I missed it?
14:15 oleonard          Do we even have a way for someone to create a suggestion from the staff interface?
14:15 wizzyrea          errm
14:15 wizzyrea          kf that's quite brilliant
14:15 wizzyrea          that's a good idea
14:16 trea              ^^
14:17 wizzyrea          kf ,yes you can create a purchase suggestion
14:17 wizzyrea          on /cgi-bin/koha/suggestion/suggestion.pl
14:17 wizzyrea          "new purchase suggestion"
14:17 wizzyrea          which you probably already found.
14:17 oleonard          I'll bet you have to have suggestions management permission for that
14:17 wizzyrea          probably
14:17 wahanui           rumour has it probably is mate, Im not running the latest version on here
14:17 wizzyrea          lol
14:17 wizzyrea          forget probably
14:17 wahanui           wizzyrea: I forgot probably
14:18 * wizzyrea        considers the word probably
14:18 kf                wizzyrea: but using an existing record or one from the reservoir?
14:18 oleonard          Not only that, suggestion management is locked into acquisition management
14:18 kf                oleonard: you can do new suggestions, but you can't use an existing record for that I think
14:18 kf                or a downloaded one
14:18 wizzyrea          no, that isn't curerently possible I don't think
14:18 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/tXSGto4tDmiS
14:18 wizzyrea          suggestion management should be locked to cataloging
14:18 wizzyrea          instead of ac
14:19 kf                oleonard: not necessarily I think, only if you want to inform about ordered and available. (being locked)
14:19 wizzyrea          acq
14:19 kf                perhaps we need both workflows
14:19 kf                keep it flexible
14:19 wizzyrea          *nod*
14:19 kf                we are creating items in acq and cataloging
14:19 kf                and both makes sense
14:19 kf                depending on the library using it
14:19 kf                I am filing an enh :)
14:19 kf                yu can do another about unlocking hehe
14:19 oleonard          kf: I don't see a granular permission for just suggestions
14:19 kf                oleonard: I don't think there is one
14:20 oleonard          right, I'm saying that significantly limits the ability of staff to make suggestions
14:21 kf                bug 6967
14:21 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6967 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Create suggestion from z39.50 / existing records
14:21 wizzyrea          making suggestions should be available to circ staff.
14:21 wizzyrea          that's just how it is
14:22 wizzyrea          patron says "hey do you have..." and staff says "no, let me put in your suggestion"
14:22 kf                oleonard: not sure I can follow - what is the perm problem?
14:22 kf                oleonard: do you need acq rights to access suggestions?
14:22 wizzyrea          doh, I'm a circ clerk, i don't have perms
14:22 wizzyrea          that's dumb.
14:22 kf                ah
14:22 kf                right
14:22 kf                yep it should
14:22 wizzyrea          we let patrons do that
14:22 wizzyrea          PATRONS
14:22 kf                or they would have to use the opac form
14:22 kf                they could do that
14:23 kf                or even be able to do a suggestion for a patron?
14:23 kf                and what would be need to is add a hold for a book
14:23 wizzyrea          right, but I don't think that's really fair
14:23 oleonard          Hmm.... from suggestion.pl: flagsrequired   => { catalogue => 1 }
14:23 wizzyrea          to ask the staff to log into the opac
14:23 kf                for the person suggesting it
14:23 wizzyrea          just to make a suggestion
14:23 wizzyrea          certainly the staff could train patrons to make suggestions
14:23 wizzyrea          patron education is always good
14:23 kf                wizzyrea: only thinking about a workaround for now - I agree it's not the best thing
14:23 wizzyrea          right
14:23 wizzyrea          i kno :)
14:24 kf                wizzyrea: what about a checkbox 'place a hold for me on this suggeston'?
14:24 kf                in the suggestion form? in opac especially
14:24 wizzyrea          that is another great idea
14:24 wizzyrea          or "if this item is acquired, place a hold"
14:24 wizzyrea          but you'd have to be using acquisitions
14:24 wizzyrea          or have a way to link the suggestion to an eventual bib outside of acquisitions
14:25 kf                lol
14:25 kf                and one I had before: bug 1887
14:25 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1887 enhancement, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW , Managing Suggestions - hold books for patron who requested
14:25 wizzyrea          tee hee
14:25 wizzyrea          1887!
14:25 kf                yep
14:25 kf                oooold
14:25 wizzyrea          that's old!
14:25 jcamins           A good year!
14:25 wizzyrea          keke
14:26 wizzyrea          <3 I do that exact thing at the checkout lane at grocery stores: "Your total is 19.67" "oh, that was a great year"
14:26 wizzyrea          get the funniest looks.
14:26 wizzyrea          it would be even better if it was like
14:26 wizzyrea            20.34
14:26 wizzyrea          "man that was a great year for wine"
14:26 wizzyrea          "gotta go get in my tardis"
14:26 kf                hehe
14:27 oleonard          "Oh yay, date of the robot invasion!"
14:27 wizzyrea          ^^ heeeee!
14:27 kf                today is not friday!
14:27 kf                back to work everyone
14:27 wizzyrea          "oh man, you don't wanna know what happens then..."
14:27 wizzyrea          sorry sorry
14:27 wizzyrea          srs time is srs
14:27 * oleonard        snickers
14:28 kf                wizzyrea: I am quoting you on the bug
14:28 oleonard          http://postimage.org/image/1uy3hltr8/
14:28 wizzyrea          suggestion.pl is one of those multi phase pages
14:28 wizzyrea          kekeke
14:29 wizzyrea          which bug
14:29 wizzyrea          oleonard: http://www.flickr.com/photos/redhairs/4306112083/
14:29 kf                1883
14:29 kf                um 1887
14:30 wizzyrea          o okies
14:30 kf                on another thing
14:30 wizzyrea          ic, cool.
14:30 kf                i was told we are doing it all wrong
14:30 * wizzyrea        gasps
14:30 kf                because in koha you do vendor > basket > order line
14:30 kf                > (items)
14:31 kf                and it should be:  items with a status ordered and a vendor and other inofrmation created
14:31 kf                and create orders logically from that
14:31 kf                by used fund or vendor
14:32 * wizzyrea        ponders
14:33 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4473] Recent comments view for the OPAC <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4473>
14:33 oleonard          Bam!
14:38 * jcamins         goes to talk about teaching [with] Koha to library students.
14:38 kf                oleonard is like batman :)
14:38 kf                bam!
14:38 jcamins_away      I feel like I've missed an important cultural thingy. This is the second time someone has referenced batman, and I really haven't gotten the reference either time (I know who batman is, but that's pretty much it).
14:39 oleonard          jcamins_away: Never saw the 60's TV Batman?
14:40 maximep           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onomatopoeia, right ?
14:40 * oleonard        is actually referencing TV chef Emeril Lagasse via Chef Elzar on Futurama
14:40 wizzyrea          spicy!
14:43 * oleonard        wonders what the other Batman reference was
14:43 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6867] datelastseen is not imported from marc file <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6867>
14:47 * oleonard        says "Bam!" on behalf of druthb
14:51 trea              oh Elzar
14:52 trea              you always knock it up a notch
14:52 wizzyrea          keke
15:03 NateC             Hi #Koha
15:03 oleonard          paul_p, can I ask a question about the batch biblio mod tool?
15:04 paul_p            oleonard, sure
15:04 NateC             Say Hello to the New England Library Association Conference!
15:04 wizzyrea          hiyas :)
15:04 oleonard          paul_p: It's not clear to me how to add a whole new tag. Is it possible?
15:05 paul_p            yes it is, but not in 1 step : 1st add a tag with 1 subfield, then add subfields
15:05 paul_p            hi NateC
15:05 oleonard          paul_p: Field [650], Subfield [Whole field], Action [Create field and subfield] ?
15:06 paul_p            yep
15:06 oleonard          What do I put in value? How does it know which subfield I'm adding?
15:10 oleonard          paul_p: ?
15:14 paul_p            oleonard, I can't answer now, working on something else & don't have the right branch at hand to test/check
15:14 * oleonard        will wait
15:36 reiveune          bye
15:41 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6966] Update Help Files for Koha 3.6 Release <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6966>
15:52 maximep           Anyone is using tags ? Trying to use them in master in opac-detail.pl and they seem completly broken to me :S
15:53 nengard           broken how, i use them on my test system fine
15:53 maximep           looking at the code, it seems to always output Log in to add tags
15:54 maximep           but the template is hard to read as it seems to be indented completly wrong
15:59 nengard           oleonard did you look in to the highlighting on the z39.50 search page? the partner says he knows it was there - he says maybe in 3.0 .. anyway, just wondering what you found
16:00 oleonard          3.0? We didn't have that little inline menu in 3.0...
16:00 oleonard          I tinkered with it yesterday and came up with some ideas, but nothing I'm satisfied with yet
16:00 kf                maximep: only one library using it - in 3.2.2 - interested in problems you have found
16:05 nengard           thanks for looking
16:16 oleonard          Somehow the bix for Bug 6576 has broken auto-fill of the leader in the MARC edit screen. I wonder if it's also behind Bug 6959
16:16 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data
16:16 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6959 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page
16:17 hdl1              oleonard: what is the reason to store virtualshelves in C4::Auth session ?
16:17 hdl1              oleonard: it seems weird that when ppl delete a virtualshelf or add a new one, the session param is not updated.
16:18 hdl1              is there any reason I miss  ?
16:18 oleonard          hdl1: I don't know. I vaguely remember when that was done but I don't remember the reason.
16:23 kf                hdl: making the var accessible in lots of templates?
16:24 kf                only guessing :(
16:24 kf                probably meaning something totally different, ignore me
16:24 wizzyrea          git question: is there a way to make sure/retroactively apply tracking to a branch?
16:24 wizzyrea          speaking of questions that don't make sense
16:32 hdl1              kf: it could be interesting if it could be updated when virtualshelves are updated.
16:32 hdl1              But the current behaviour is misleading.
16:33 oleonard          Fun.... viewing source on addbiblio.pl crashes my Firefox :|
16:33 hdl1              ah:D
16:36 * Oak             waves
16:36 kf                hi Oak :)
16:36 Oak               hello kf :]
16:36 kf                seems the next shift is here... time to leave :)
16:36 kf                bye all
16:38 oleonard          Heh, almost crashed Chrome too.
16:38 wizzyrea          O.O
16:40 oleonard          This could be an indication that our MARC editor could slim down a bit
16:42 wizzyrea          heh
16:44 wizzyrea          how did I not know that you can batch edit from a list
16:44 * wizzyrea        facepalms
16:49 oleonard          Yeah, looks to me like the fix for  Bug 6576 is the cause of Bug 6959.
16:49 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data
16:49 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6959 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page
16:49 wizzyrea          frownyface
16:49 wizzyrea          can we fix both?
16:49 wizzyrea          sorry that's a dumb question
16:49 wizzyrea          are they mutually exclusive?
16:50 oleonard          I assume not, but I haven't actually examined the changes in 6576, just isolated the offending commit
16:50 oleonard          git_bisect++
16:50 wizzyrea          :)
16:54 sekjal            oleonard:  hmmm, if that's the case, this is my fault.  will look into a solution
16:57 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6954] z39.50 results highlighting not sticking <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6954>
16:57 sekjal            I think I found the problem with 6959
16:57 sekjal            framework code
16:58 * wizzyrea        probably had something to do with it too
16:58 wizzyrea          oleonard: how do you even get to the batch bib edit
16:58 wizzyrea          i'm looking at the patch, I'm mystified.
16:58 oleonard          From the tools page
16:59 oleonard          Just below batch item edit and delete
17:03 oleonard          What makes a set of data (for instance, issues data) available to a notice?
17:05 sekjal            oleonard:  depends on the notice
17:06 wizzyrea          i feel like I'm taking crazy pills
17:06 wizzyrea          I've applied the patch for bug 5725, plus owen's follow up
17:06 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Batch modifications for Biblios
17:06 wizzyrea          and I don't see any of it
17:07 * wizzyrea        blames sunspots
17:07 oleonard          You don't have the link on the tools page?
17:07 wizzyrea          no
17:07 * wizzyrea        will try it again
17:07 wizzyrea          i must have done something dumb. it's been one of those kind of days.
17:08 oleonard          Works for me after applying the patches on a fresh branch
17:08 wizzyrea          i'll do it again.
17:08 oleonard          wizzyrea: Permissions problem?
17:08 wizzyrea          no, my user is a superlibrarian.
17:09 cait              hi again all :)
17:19 wizzyrea          hi cait
17:20 wizzyrea          well something has gone wrong on my test server apparently
17:20 * wizzyrea        gives in to the universe and runs screaming
17:21 cait              ?
17:22 wizzyrea          seems like the tech gremlins are out in force this week
17:22 wizzyrea          I've had about enough of it
17:27 sekjal            patch for 6959 sent
17:28 cait              bug 6959
17:28 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6959 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page
17:29 nengard_lunch     oleonard do you want to test 6959?
17:29 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6959] Can't import record via Z39.50 from MARC edit page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6959>
17:30 * oleonard        will
17:32 Brooke            kia ora
17:33 nengard           anyone have any strong opinions on bug 6954?
17:33 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , z39.50 results highlighting not sticking
17:33 nengard           hi Brooke
17:34 Brooke            the only feeling I have on that
17:34 Brooke            is that I don't think it properly counts as a new feature
17:37 Oak               Brooke !!!
17:37 Brooke            Oak!
17:37 Brooke            What a nice surpise
17:37 Oak               really?
17:37 Oak               :)
18:07 veel28            hi, I would like to find out if 1) librarian can input chinese (& english) characters into koha, 2) can koha run on mac 3)can user access koha remotely?
18:08 wizzyrea          re: 2, you mean the server can run on mac? or the user can use it from a mac?
18:09 wizzyrea          3. users can always access koha remotely, as long as they have access to the server.
18:09 veel28            server can run on mac
18:09 wizzyrea          I'm sure it can be done, but it's probably not optimal.
18:10 veel28            what about chines characters? can the library input Chinese chracters onto Koha?
18:10 wizzyrea          I don't see why not, but I'm definitely not an encoding/languages expert
18:11 veel28            Thanks so much for the quick response, by the way.
18:11 ropuch            Why not?
18:11 ropuch            ;>
18:11 * wizzyrea        moans about how there are a zillion things to know about koha and one person can't know them all (except maybe rangi_
18:13 jcamins_away      veel28: I would recommend against trying to run the server on a Mac, although it's probably _possible_.
18:13 wizzyrea          you would probably be better off running a virtualbox on your mac
18:13 wizzyrea          with debian in it
18:14 sekjal            veel28:  running Koha on a Mac server would be.... VERY challenging
18:14 sekjal            if you can get it working, we'd love to see your notes
18:14 veel28            Thanks.  Good to know.
18:14 sekjal            but some of the dependencies may have to be compiled from scratch
18:33 oleonard          sekjal: Signed off. I guess I'll file another bug for the leader autofill bug.
18:39 Brooke            do we draw our facets from GSAFD? http://alcme.oclc.org/gsafd/OAIHandler?verb=ListIdentifiers&metadataPrefix=z39_19
18:40 Brooke            or are they pulled from the records themselves which either draw on that or our collective beans?
18:43 oleonard          Brooke: facets are drawn from the records in the search results
18:43 Brooke            ta
18:44 oleonard          Bug 6970 is the weirdest bug I've seen in a whlie
18:44 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , logout not redirecting to login page
18:45 oleonard          Wasn't Firefox 7 supposed to be a big improvement? Mine has been so sluggish...
18:49 * magnuse         hasn't noticed any great differences, except http:// is hidden in the URL "field"
18:49 rangi             morning
18:50 magnuse           kia ora rangi
18:50 rangi             ata marie magnuse
18:50 magnuse           yay
18:51 rangi             ohh some kiva credit available
18:53 rangi             koha group has loaned out over 300 now
18:53 cait              :)
18:59 * magnuse         *should* get around to engaging with kiva some day soon
18:59 Brooke            morena rangi
19:00 rangi             heya Brooke
19:04 cait              magnuse: it's easy - register, get money, loan
19:06 rangi             hmm
19:06 magnuse           cait: yeah, i know... but how do you figure out who to give loans to?
19:06 rangi             isn't there a delete/edit link on news items?
19:06 rangi             in the staff client?
19:07 oleonard          Yes, if you have the right permissions
19:07 cait              magnuse: that's the hardest part, but not so hard. you can do it.
19:07 * rangi           fails to understand the mail to the mailing list
19:10 cait              which?
19:11 oleonard          Did you respond rangi?
19:11 sekjal            anyone know why Koha's sessions don't expire?
19:11 rangi             nope oleonard
19:11 * oleonard        will
19:11 jcamins           So I was just talking with Thomas Krichel. He thought that the packages were configured such that only one Zebra daemon was indexing multiple databases. Is this true?
19:12 rangi             no
19:12 magnuse           cait: maybe i'll ask for some advice one of these days
19:12 magnuse           ;-)
19:12 jcamins           rangi: okay, that's what I thought, thanks.
19:12 sekjal            CGI::Session has an expire() function that will delete the server-side session after some period of time
19:12 rangi             yep
19:12 rangi             but we use an inactivity timeout
19:13 rangi             does it check that?
19:13 rangi             not an absolute timeout
19:14 * rangi           uses memcached for sessions, inactive ones get cleaned up for free
19:14 rangi             plus a lot less db noise
19:14 rangi             bbiab
19:14 rangi             my stop
19:17 sekjal            rangi: CGI::Session->expire() uses relative timeout
19:21 rangi             cool, the only issue with that then, would be it wont change the timeout if the syspref changes, but thats ok
19:22 sekjal            rangi:  perhaps setting it as a longer-term fallback value
19:22 sekjal            like a day
19:22 sekjal            just so the system doesn't clutter up
19:22 sekjal            not an issue with memcached, I know
19:22 rangi             yup
19:22 sekjal            and we've got the cronjob for mysql
19:22 sekjal            but for /tmp
19:23 sekjal            one needs a separate cron that's not bundled with Koha
19:23 sekjal            or regular restarts
19:23 rangi             yep, couldnt hurt
19:23 rangi             a day of inactivity seems like a decent fallback
19:23 sekjal            and it looks like each time get_session is called, it creates a new session
19:24 sekjal            oh, no
19:24 sekjal            reading further
19:24 sekjal            the second param always for reading existing
19:25 sekjal            wow, it feels like 5 or 6 in the evening already, for some reason
19:25 rangi             heh
19:26 * oleonard        wonders what that disconnection was about
19:26 Brooke            it's only half 8 in the morning. toughen up mate. ;)
19:27 magnuse           sekjal: i betcha it is 5 or 6 in the evening somewhere... ;-)
19:27 sekjal            Greenland?
19:27 Brooke            it's beer o clock in Brasil
19:27 ibeardslee        only 1/2 8, but still feel like I'm overdue on about 3 cups of coffee
19:28 magnuse           sekjal: probably
19:28 oleonard          I was able to log out just fine a moment ago, and now I can't once again.
19:33 Brooke            "For instance, 1,970 fiction access points were employed by online bookstores: 1,005 by Amazon.com and 965 by Barnes and Noble. The two reader advisory databases used a combined total of 1,381 access points, and the two library OPACs only 1,104."
19:33 rangi             man, theres a crapload of stuff on the agenda for the meeting
19:33 Brooke            yep
19:33 Brooke            yep there is
19:33 jcamins           Wait, is there a meeting today?
19:33 Brooke            tomorrow
19:33 wahanui           somebody said tomorrow was pizza friday!
19:34 Brooke            somebody lied, waha
19:34 magnuse           i wish, wahanui
19:34 wahanui           magnuse: what?
19:34 jcamins           wahanui: tomorrow is also the day after today.
19:34 wahanui           okay, jcamins.
19:34 rangi             in about 15 hours
19:34 magnuse           whoever is going to chair better do so with an iron fist... ;-)
19:35 jcamins           Good thing Brooke is going to be doing that. :)
19:35 jcamins           Very iron-fisted, is Brooke.
19:35 Brooke            am I really driving the bus again?
19:35 rangi             hmmm interesting
19:35 wahanui           interesting is good
19:35 jcamins           Brooke: apparently so.
19:35 rangi             https://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?job_did=J3I3Z2757LG90M7P555
19:35 jcamins           Someone just said that.
19:37 rangi             also
19:37 rangi             http://www.geeklawblog.com/2011/10/playing-with-koha-open-source-library.html
19:39 magnuse           "Koha is an amazing Integrated Library System (ILS)"
19:39 magnuse           agreed
19:40 * oleonard        wonders if he has what it takes to be a CYBER CODER
19:41 * oleonard        puts his resume on his Jazz drive and heads for CA
19:42 rangi             hehe
19:42 phlunk3           morning o/
19:42 rangi             hey phlunk3
19:42 wahanui           i guess phlunk3 is being asked if I want marc21 or unimarc, so I guess I need to go and look at the old server and see what was used there, does anyone know where I can see that info?
19:43 cait              forget phlunk3
19:43 wahanui           cait: I forgot phlunk3
19:43 phlunk3           :( don't forget me guys.
19:43 Brooke            aww <3
19:43 wizzyrea          how could we possibly ;)
19:44 phlunk3           I even came today without any stupid questions :)
19:44 * wizzyrea        didn't realize that stupid questions existed
19:45 magnuse           the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked ;-)
19:45 sekjal            bug 6970: I think I know what it may be
19:45 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , logout not redirecting to login page
19:45 phlunk3           okay okay, I didn't come with a question I forgot the answer to after asking it just days ago (ie, I came, less stupidly?)
19:46 magnuse           you came, that's all that matters ;-)
19:49 rangi             what was for lunch melia ?
19:51 melia             roasted veggies (potatoes, carrots, parsnip, beetroot), pattypan squash (breaded and fried), and a steamed vegetable medley of broccoli, yellow wax beans, and red capsicum
19:51 melia             (lots of side item dinner leftovers)
19:51 Brooke            mmmmm capsicum
19:51 magnuse           wow, that's some lunch!
19:51 rangi             yum
19:52 * magnuse         just had the first lamb chops of the season for dinner :-)
19:52 * Brooke          drools.
19:52 Brooke            Balducci's had a squash stuffed with wild rice that I nearly got, but I was jonesin for my usual.
20:00 oleonard          sekjal: Strange that the delBasket function didn't cause the error in previous FF versions
20:00 * magnuse         wishes #koha a good time of the day
20:01 oleonard          I wonder if the redirect to about:blank is an attempt to complete the cookie operation
20:12 oleonard          Hmmm... I might pop in, but meeting time is getting kids ready for school time for me, so don't count on me.
20:12 wizzyrea          same here
20:12 oleonard          until then,
20:12 wizzyrea          farewelloweni'mgoingtobeatyou
20:12 wizzyrea          sigh
20:13 cait              meetin is tomorrow, right?
20:13 cait              around 14 hours away?
20:19 rangi             brb, new person just started
20:22 sekjal            cait:  yes
20:22 sekjal            egad, 5am EST
20:23 cait              egad?
20:23 sekjal            an expression of dismay
20:23 cait              oh
20:23 cait              I had worse
20:23 sekjal            it's going to be a long Wednesday
20:23 cait              worse time for me is 4 am
20:23 sekjal            that would be worse, yes
20:24 sekjal            though it's 2am for California
20:24 sekjal            probably won't be seeing that end of the ByWater team in attendance
20:24 jcamins           Not sure you'll be seeing me.
20:24 cait              important meeting - hope people will get up
20:24 bg                yeah no kidding
20:24 bg                hi jcamins
20:24 bg                heya cait
20:25 jcamins           Hey there, bg.
20:25 * wizzyrea        tries to decide if she's staying up, or getting up
20:25 cait              hi bg
20:25 cait              :)
20:25 cait              wizzyrea: no matter what you do - I will wait with virtual cookied and coffee :)
20:26 bg                jcamins I was in NY last week - I meant to see if you were busy - sorry about that -- but it was great to be there
20:26 wizzyrea          hehe
20:26 bg                I love NYC
20:26 wizzyrea          bg?
20:26 wizzyrea          keke
20:26 wizzyrea          trea?
20:26 wahanui           trea is the support in the darkness. The watcher of tickets. He is the fire that brings status updates, the light that illuminates customers, the horn that wakes the devs, the shield that guards the realms of nerds.
20:26 jcamins           bg: oh, I'm sorry I missed you!
20:26 jcamins           bg: get to do anything fun?
20:27 bg                jcamins: it was a really busy week - and my friend has a new baby that I got to meet
20:27 bg                yup I stopped by carnegie deli
20:27 bg                ;)
20:27 jcamins           Mmm.
20:27 * jcamins         loves the Carnegie Deli.
20:27 bg                I really miss the good jewish deli's out here
20:27 jcamins           Stage deli is good too.
20:27 jcamins           As is Ben's.
20:27 * jcamins         wants a pastrami sandwich now.
20:27 bg                and I got a great slice
20:27 bg                been awhile on that
20:29 jcamins           Yeah, there are definitely food benefits to NYC.
20:31 cait              hm
20:33 ropuch            Hm, anybody using Lokalize? I have script that shows translated entry in context (file in whicg term occurs opened with sepcific line), but cannot get rid of annoing 'Cannot open source files: no scripts to do so are currently loaded'
20:33 ropuch            Which is poping even with script working ;>
20:33 bg                well I hope all is well jcamins :)  been a little while since I've been in channel
20:34 jcamins           Yeah, things are going pretty well. Very busy dotting 'i's and crossing 't's, and introducing myself to all and sundry. :)
20:36 wizzyrea          any idea what the holdup is on 6253?
20:37 jcamins           bug 6253
20:37 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
20:39 rangi             cait: bug 6958 has a patch now
20:39 bg                most likely testing?
20:39 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6958 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Missing spaces in translated templates
20:40 rangi             wizzyrea: thats pushed
20:40 rangi             in june
20:40 rangi             oh no it isnt
20:40 huginn            New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6958] Missing spaces in translated templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6958>
20:40 rangi             im looking at the wrong
20:41 rangi             wizzyrea: just waiting qa
20:42 wizzyrea          cool. I'll poke the qa guy.
20:44 wizzyrea          actually - can I get someone else to sign off on that
20:44 wizzyrea          it's a plea, you know you want to
20:44 wizzyrea          it'd be fuuuun
20:46 ropuch            rangi: do you have any understanding of c/cpp?
20:46 rangi             cpp?
20:47 ropuch            c++
20:47 rangi             enough to not want to ever touch it again :)
20:47 ropuch            hehe
20:47 ropuch            Q_SCRIPTABLE void setSrcFileOpenRequestAccepted(bool a){m_srcFileOpenRequestAccepted=a;}
20:47 ropuch            bool m_srcFileOpenRequestAccepted;
20:48 ropuch            I think it must be set to something after setSrcFileOpenRequest is succes
20:49 rangi             i think that variable name needs more letters
20:49 ropuch            But I'm not sure what 'bool a' is
20:49 jcamins           AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! It's that library that KDE is based on?
20:49 jcamins           That would have been so much more dramatic if I knew what it was called.
20:49 ropuch            jcamins: nah, I'm trying to script lokalize to show context of transted entry in po file
20:50 rangi             ropuch: i just use poedit
20:50 ropuch            And I've done that, but there;'s this annoing popup alert
20:50 ropuch            rangi: I switched do Lokalize ;>
20:50 jcamins           ropuch: I don't see any problem with that method definition.
20:50 rangi             sekjal: fwiw i agree with owen 6954 can go in 3.6.0
20:51 eythian           http://www.classnamer.com/
20:51 rangi             void ThisVariableHasTooManyWordsInItOMGWTFBBQ
20:51 ropuch            Yea :)
20:52 sekjal            rangi:  cool, thanks.  shall I mark it Passed QA, or give the community a little longer for a dissenting opinion?
20:52 rangi             maybe give it a day
20:52 sekjal            k
20:52 cait              bug 6954
20:52 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , z39.50 results highlighting not sticking
20:53 cait              wish you people would use the word bug more often :P
20:53 cait              ah, that's nice to have yes
20:56 ropuch            rangi: can poedit open src file for translated entry?
20:56 rangi             probably not
20:56 rangi             i havent tried
20:56 ropuch            Lokalize is only kde app on my box and I would gladly get rid of it
20:57 ropuch            Bah
20:57 rangi             have you tried gtranslator?
20:57 rangi             i dunno if that can either
20:57 ropuch            yup
20:57 jcamins           ropuch: if you're trying to understand QT source (I remembered!), you're pretty much on your own, at least as far as my help is concerned.
20:58 ropuch            jcamins: apart from creepy c source files, documentation on Lokalize simply does not exist ;>
21:07 wizzyrea          cait:   http://screencast.com/t/LLmbuIHX
21:07 cait              hm? :)
21:07 wizzyrea          lookie
21:07 cait              aaaw
21:07 cait              that was the idea -really :)
21:08 wizzyrea          ppls here are pretty excited.
21:08 cait              i did that once using jquery
21:08 cait              it was terrible
21:08 rangi             what bug was that?
21:08 cait              adding css classes to the lables
21:08 wizzyrea          the one that added css classes to the xslt
21:08 cait              labels
21:08 rangi             i really need to finish my openlibrary stuff, so it can pull in ebooks from there too
21:08 rangi             ah cool
21:08 rangi             yay cait !
21:08 cait              something easy :)
21:09 rangi             easy but useful
21:09 wizzyrea          extremely
21:09 jenkins_koha      Starting build 454 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
21:09 wizzyrea          everybody wants to poke at the way it looks
21:09 cait              I pondered how to make it possible to hide the analytics links
21:09 cait              and thought it might be better than adding yet another syspref
21:11 wizzyrea          why can't you hide them with css if you want?
21:11 huginn            New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6867: Date last seen ignored on import <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1e6aadf56fa8036eb9dc9e55b4bb6a50e5d26a8>
21:11 wizzyrea          i mean, why can't you add a class to the analytics links
21:12 * wizzyrea        ponders the need for a opacusercss library on the wiki
21:12 rangi             seems like a good idea to me
21:12 wizzyrea          intranetusercss too
21:12 rangi             yes
21:12 rangi             id love a heres some colour for the intranet css
21:12 rangi             cos it makes me sad
21:12 rangi             its all severe
21:13 rangi             and DO YOUR WORK
21:13 cait              wizzyrea: now you can :)
21:13 rangi             at the moment
21:13 cait              wizzyrea: that's the solution for my problem
21:13 cait              analytics {display:none} :)
21:13 cait              but this way it makes even more people happy
21:13 eythian           http://blingee.com/ <-- just run the logo through this
21:14 cait              ouch
21:14 * cait            has gone blind
21:14 rangi             heh
21:14 wizzyrea          oh my lord eythian
21:14 wizzyrea          please god no
21:14 cait              where do you find stuff like that?
21:14 * wizzyrea        scolds eythian heartily
21:14 wizzyrea          don't make me get out my teacher finger.
21:15 cait              germs?
21:15 wahanui           Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
21:15 eythian           I memorised the internet
21:15 cait              wizzyrea: can you scold him for that too?
21:15 cait              if oyu are on it right now?
21:15 * wizzyrea        gets out the teacher finger on eythian
21:15 * wizzyrea        shakes it sternly
21:15 cait              hehe
21:15 cait              hi hguewmLibrarian
21:15 hguewmLibrarian   dear koha ninja-gurus
21:15 * hguewmLibrarian waves at Cait
21:15 wizzyrea          wb ;)
21:16 hguewmLibrarian   yesterday i was having issue with automating a ftp script to auto-backup the koha database remotely
21:16 hguewmLibrarian   i found a solution
21:16 hguewmLibrarian   thought I'd share...
21:16 wizzyrea          cait: I think the CSS hide is perfectly fine
21:16 wizzyrea          oo yay
21:16 wizzyrea          sharing!
21:16 * wizzyrea        likes sharing
21:16 hguewmLibrarian   there's a little program called ncftp
21:16 cait              wizzyrea: hehe it IS - but that was the reason for my patch
21:16 hguewmLibrarian   using the LCI
21:16 hguewmLibrarian   you can automate it in one line
21:16 cait              in german I would say 'wir reden aneinander vorbei'
21:16 * wizzyrea        starts the opacusercss wiki page
21:17 wizzyrea          ah yea I've seen that
21:17 hdl               have a good night / day
21:17 eythian           hguewmLibrarian: I just expose /var/spool/koha through the webserver and password protect it.
21:17 eythian           every so often, script a wget of that
21:17 hguewmLibrarian   :)
21:17 hguewmLibrarian   ncftpput -u myname -p mypassword otherhost . foo   upload files
21:17 hguewmLibrarian   ncftpget -u myname -p mypassword otherhost . bar   download files
21:17 hguewmLibrarian   very cool eythian
21:17 wizzyrea          poor hguewmLibrarian is trying to target a windows server
21:17 hguewmLibrarian   all fixed. and targetted.
21:18 hguewmLibrarian   nasty windows servers
21:18 wizzyrea          i mean, he *has* targeted a windows server.
21:18 wizzyrea          I have a target on my wall
21:18 wizzyrea          that's got windows stickers on it
21:18 hguewmLibrarian   there you go... knowledge for the masses
21:18 wizzyrea          for my windows kills MUA HA HA HA HA
21:18 wizzyrea          sorry. I'll be quiet now.
21:19 eythian           yeah right
21:19 rangi             heh
21:20 hguewmLibrarian   so there you go
21:20 rangi             http://interface-7.net/20030129/?Tuisays=Ill+be+quiet+now&Submit=Tui+Says
21:21 hguewmLibrarian   muchas gracias koha ninja-gurus
21:21 wizzyrea          lol, seems like you did it yourself
21:21 wizzyrea          bother.
21:24 jcamins           Didn't I fix bug 6971?
21:24 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6971 minor, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order
21:24 rangi             hmmm i seem to recall something liket hat
21:26 wizzyrea          i wonder if we fixed it from ahb to abh
21:26 rangi             git blame (or git log) will probably tell ya
21:26 jcamins           wizzyrea: no, I would definitely have gone the other way.
21:27 jcamins           Oh, I bet I know what happened.
21:27 jcamins           I tried to fix it, then realized it was impossible without redoing the stylesheet, and gave up.
21:31 rangi             :)
21:32 rangi             meeting time, bbiab
21:34 maximep           do you this would still work on master ? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS
21:34 maximep           *do you think
21:35 phlunk3           got a question, when importing a marc record. "koha default item type" this should never get auto filled? Like, is the librarian expected to choose this each time they import, or is the system supposed to fill this due to knowing data from the marc record?
21:41 jcamins           The librarian would have to fill it in. Item type might or might not correspond with any data instrinsic to the record.
21:44 jcamins           Question: does anyone have any utilities for automagically pulling records into Koha using ISBN? Most of the time I work with materials that predate ISBN by, well, centuries, but every so often I'm asked to look at collections that have a significant percentage of new books, and for those original cataloging isn't really necessary.
21:45 wizzyrea          our libraries do it using z39.50
21:45 jcamins           wizzyrea: automagically, or by going through the z39.50 interface in cataloging?
21:45 wizzyrea          ^^ that
21:46 jcamins           Ah. Yeah, that's what I've been doing, but when we start talking about thousands of books, it gets silly.
21:47 wizzyrea          well there's marcedit :P
21:47 jcamins           Ooh.
21:47 jcamins           Do you know, I hadn't thought of that.
21:48 wizzyrea          i think it's got a handy dandy z39.50 interface in it
21:48 wizzyrea          too
21:48 jcamins           Yeah, I believe it does.
21:49 * jcamins         considers a batch processor that works off-line, and associates a picture of the cover and a location/collection/callnumber/barcode with the ISBN, for a cross-check when processing the cataloging after the fact.
21:51 * jcamins         dreams big. :)
21:51 jcamins           Seems to me that shouldn't be so hard to do.
21:51 jcamins           Name the pictures with the ISBN, easy peasy.
21:52 sekjal            jcamins:  there is a batch Z39.50 script which takes in a list of ISBNs
21:53 jcamins           sekjal: that's a good start. :) Do you know where it is?
21:54 sekjal            jcamins:  looking
21:54 jcamins           sekjal: thanks.
21:54 cait              I think eythian has been working on somehting like that too
21:56 sekjal            http://librarypolice.com/wiki.koha.org/en:documentation:perl_script_using_zoom_for_marc_records_from_z3950_server.html
21:57 jcamins           Awesome, thanks!
21:57 jcamins           sekjal++
21:57 ropuch            Awesome indeed, it'll save me ages of work [;
21:57 jenkins_koha      Project Koha_master build #454: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/454/
21:57 jenkins_koha      ruth: Bug 6867: Date last seen ignored on import
21:57 huginn            04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6867 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , datelastseen is not imported from marc file
22:17 phlunk3           on the marc record import system, can I set a default value for "koha default item type" so that it is always set?
22:17 rangi             not that i know of
22:18 eythian           phlunk3: it's by design
22:18 eythian           (sorta)
22:18 eythian           people don't change the default when they should if they aren't forced to
22:18 phlunk3           yeah I thought so as well, someone here was asking :)
22:19 phlunk3           or rather, spending an hour googling it instead of asking you guys lol.
22:19 phlunk3           irc-shy colleagues ;)
22:19 eythian           heh
22:19 rangi             heh most of them know me :) they dont need to be shy
22:20 phlunk3           btw, you guys are also in charge of koha.org right?
22:20 cait              no,we are not
22:21 jcamins           The Koha website is koha-community.org.
22:21 eythian           wahanui: koha.org is <reply>the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about koha.org
22:21 rangi             koha.org is controlled by a company hostile to the Koha project, and the community around it
22:21 wahanui           ...but koha.org is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company...
22:21 rangi             :)
22:22 eythian           wahanui: literal koha.org
22:22 wahanui           eythian: koha.org =is= old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company
22:22 phlunk3           ahh. which website is the official koha site?
22:22 rangi             koha-community.org
22:22 wahanui           koha-community.org is actually updated and right
22:22 jcamins           koha-community.org.
22:22 wahanui           i heard koha-community.org was actually updated and right
22:22 eythian           no wahanui, koha.org is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company|controlled by a company hostile to the Koha project, and the community around it|<reply>the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about koha.org
22:22 wahanui           okay, eythian.
22:23 jcamins           koha.org?
22:23 wahanui           koha.org is, like, old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company
22:23 jcamins           koha.org?
22:23 wahanui           rumour has it koha.org is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company
22:23 jcamins           koha.org?
22:23 wahanui           koha.org is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company
22:23 * jcamins         stops.
22:23 eythian           koha.org
22:23 wahanui           the first rule of Koha is that you don't talk about koha.org
22:23 eythian           jcamins: you do it like that
22:23 phlunk3           thanks, anyway, am I fine to steal content explaining what koha is from that site and use it on my own site? I am just making a small site which will outline some open source projects briefly amongst over things and am really lazy with writing ;)
22:23 jcamins           eythian: how did you do that?
22:23 eythian           jcamins: magic
22:26 rangi             phlunk3: yep just provide attribution, and a link back
22:26 phlunk3           ofcourse, txtx.
22:37 eythian           "zcat ashs.sql.bz2 | sudo koha-mysql ashs" ... I wish I'd written that koha-mysql script ages ago, it's much more useful than I thought it would be.
22:37 eythian           although I guess it should be bzcat
22:37 rangi             yup
22:37 rangi             that script is in the packages?
22:37 eythian           yeah
22:37 eythian           just the newer ones
22:37 rangi             cool
22:40 jcamins           eythian: ooh, brilliant!
22:40 eythian           jcamins: I had one running the other day that used it to stream a dump from one machine, via my desktop over ssh, onto another.
22:40 eythian           (the two machines can't talk to each other, but my desktop can)
22:41 eythian           it saves the whole wait for the dump, wait for the reload process.
22:41 rangi             *nod*
22:41 rangi             trick
22:42 jcamins           That's really cool.
22:42 jcamins           Exceedingly, even.
22:47 cait              hm
22:49 jcamins           Grr.
22:49 jcamins           The problem with it finally being cool out is that now butter won't soften.
22:50 rangi             heh
22:50 rangi             nuke?
22:50 jcamins           The type of cookie I want to bake is very finicky, and they come out funny if you nuke the butter.
22:50 rangi             ahh bummer
22:51 jcamins           I may make a different kind of cookie instead.
22:51 rangi             rest on top of the oven?
22:51 jcamins           Or decide I don't care. ;)
22:51 jcamins           Yeah, that's a possibility.
22:51 jcamins           In fact, that's probably what I'm going to do, because I really want sandtarts.
22:51 rangi             :)
22:52 cait              mmmh
22:55 jcamins           Oh my. The stock markets are predicting a recession.
22:55 jcamins           I am shocked.
22:55 jcamins           Truly, I thought the global economy was booming.
22:55 rangi             heh
22:55 jcamins           Is reporting as bad in NZ as it is in the States?
22:55 ibeardslee        'the stock markets' or 'the people manipulating the stock markets'?
22:56 ibeardslee        worse .. we have an idiot PM that things all is well
22:56 ibeardslee        s/things/thinks/
22:56 rangi             jcamins: yeah, its bad the world over afaict, a good article is the exception not the rule
22:56 rangi             journalism is a dead art
22:56 ibeardslee        .. .. of course that's giving him the benefit of the doubt that he actually thinks
22:57 rangi             http://i.imgur.com/856Xz.jpg
22:57 rangi             courtesy of eythian
22:58 jcamins           Is it bad that I can't tell for sure whether that's a real tabloid cover or not?
22:58 rangi             hehe yeah
22:59 jcamins           It'd be hysterical, if it weren't for that bit of doubt that says "but, that could be real."
22:59 rangi             unfortunately it kinda is real
22:59 rangi             thats how this election is being run
23:00 rangi             its about the quietest general election i can remember
23:01 jcamins           Yikes.
23:04 eythian           pity the main competing party can't campaign its way out of a paper bag at the moment, either.
23:04 rangi             yeah
23:04 rangi             ppl like its policies, the polls show
23:04 rangi             hate all the ppl presenting them
23:05 rangi             they have an easy run
23:05 rangi             no asset sales, capital gains tax
23:05 rangi             but everyone just goes, 'phill goff i hate that guy'
23:05 rangi             (i do too)
23:06 jcamins           And no one in the party noticed that they had an unpopular candidate when discussing the nomination?
23:08 rangi             they seem to be a pretty retarded party
23:08 rangi             and often seem to forget they are in opposition
23:08 rangi             youre supposed to oppose things, not cave like a stack of cards on every damn issue
23:09 jcamins           Really? Well, darn, I guess I got opposition wrong.
23:09 rangi             :)
23:10 * jcamins         goes back to the drawing board, and comes up with a new slogan for the opposition party: "We think you're probably doing it wrong, even if we proposed that bill."
23:11 ibeardslee        they have shown themselves to be fairly impotent .. pretty sad really, Helen was a driver, but lost it by getting carried way with the nanny state
23:13 ibeardslee        I think that has driven people towards the green party
23:15 ibeardslee        The greens seem to have suddenly grown up .. not fully sure if it from having to grow up because they are now a viable alternative .. or if them being a viable alternative is because they have grown up
23:15 ibeardslee        .. ... anyway, I should take that into #nzpolitics
23:15 rangi             :-)
23:16 rangi             this is the big issue at the election for me
23:17 rangi             http://publicaddress.net/referendum/tool/
23:18 eythian           I don't get the fact it's an issue. It's only a small number of noisy people who want STV isn't it?
23:19 rangi             i think quite a few want to go back to FPP
23:19 rangi             hopefully not that many
23:20 eythian           err
23:20 eythian           yeah, FPP, not STV
23:21 ibeardslee        that tool has some very tricky questions
23:22 ibeardslee        Q6 .. one party is ideal .. but needs to represent the majority of voters
23:25 rangi             yeah
23:25 rangi             in the ideal world yeah
23:31 ibeardslee        But I just can't find that option 'ibeardslee as Benevolent Dictator for Life"
23:32 eythian           yeah, I was looking for that too.
23:33 eythian           (in order to put "strongly disagree" on it)
23:33 rangi             heh
23:38 rangi             http://h30565.www3.hp.com/t5/Feature-Articles/Linus-Torvalds-s-Lessons-on-Software-Development-Management/ba-p/440
23:38 rangi             “The other thing—and it's kind of related—that people seem to get wrong is to think that the code they write is what matters,” says Torvalds. Most software development managers have seen this one. “No, even if you wrote 100% of the code, and even if you are the best programmer in the world and will never need any help with the project at all, the thing that really matters is the users of the code. The code itself is unimportant; the project is
23:38 rangi             i like that bit