Time  Nick            Message
00:02 eythian         @later tell NateC we had Abrakebabra for lunch. Just sayin'
00:02 huginn          eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:04 rangi           heh
01:21 wajasu          my master git pull, dev install, has koha-httpd.conf  with   ScriptAlias /search "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl"  in the opac section.  but what should it be for the Intranet section.  "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/search.pl"  or maybe "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/catalogue/search.pl"  (the 1st isnt there). or am i misconfigured.
01:22 wajasu          i was comparin my 3.4.4 install to the master dev install.
01:29 wajasu          and what should mt ScriptAlias be for /cgi-bin/koha/ in my intranet section?
01:30 jcamins_away    wajasu: what's wrong with the koha-httpd.conf that comes with Koha?
01:31 jcamins_away    It seems to me using the supplied one would be a lot easier and a lot less error-prone.
01:34 wajasu          i don't have the a2enmod, a2ensite apache tools (archlinux apache httpd server).  so i always have to teak my own.  i really have to add <Directory "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone ... ">   direftive the file to get access, since everything is denied by default.
01:35 jcamins_away    wajasu: couldn't you just do the traditional ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ?
01:37 wajasu          but when i was inspecting the ScriptAlias entries, i saw the intranet Virtualhost  had ScriptAlias /search "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/search.pl"  for my dev install.  i'm trying to do a patch tonight.   and archlinnux doesn't have /etc/apache2...
01:38 jcamins_away    You must have Apache configuration files somewhere...
01:39 wajasu          i have /etc/httpd/conf/...  but no sites-available or sites-enabled.
01:39 jcamins_away    Okay, just stick it in /etc/httpd/conf.
01:40 wajasu          i linked that up fine.( ln -s).
01:40 jcamins_away    Then enable mod_rewrite and you should be good to go.
01:40 wajasu          what i an saying is:  do you have /search working for intranet at :8080?
01:40 jcamins_away    Ah.
01:40 jcamins_away    Probably not.
01:41 eythian         No, I don't think that's required
01:41 jcamins_away    Nope.
01:41 jcamins_away    eythian: mod_rewrite isn't required?
01:41 jcamins_away    The instructions say to enable it.
01:41 jcamins_away    wajasu: that is, no, /search doesn't do anything.
01:41 eythian         rewrite is different
01:42 eythian         the /search thing isn't required
01:42 jcamins_away    Oh. Gotcha.
01:42 * jcamins_away  is a bit tired.
01:42 eythian         although I note it is set up for the staff client
01:42 wajasu          its an old vestigal organ from days gone by.
01:42 eythian         ScriptAlias /search "/usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/search.pl"
01:42 eythian         it allows things like: RewriteRule ^/isbn/([^\/]*)/?$ /search?q=isbn:$1 [PT]
01:44 wajasu          ScriptAlias /search "/home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/search.pl"   is what my dev install (master pull) has.  which points to nothing, unless a rewrite handle that.
01:45 eythian         ls: cannot access /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/search.pl: No such file or directory
01:45 eythian         same here
01:45 eythian         I suspect it's been long broken
01:45 eythian         and no one has ever tried to use it
01:45 wajasu          thats what i am saying!
01:46 jcamins_away    wajasu: sorry, I thought you were trying to write your own Apache config.
01:46 eythian         So I think you'd be fine not setting it at all.
01:46 wajasu          i'm about to run my master git pull, which will update, and was wiring up things and saw the discrepency.
01:46 eythian         oh, me too
01:46 wajasu          sorry. i just noticed it changed since 3.4.4
01:50 wajasu          i also notice when i do a single or a dev install, my zebra-biblios.cfg, zebra-authorites.cfg and zebra-authorities-dom.cfg don't change the ModulesPath with my prefix.  Is that OK. Probably typical.  I change them to  /home/koha344/usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules.  I wish they got the /home/koha344 prefix put before /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules lke everywhere else in the .cfg
01:50 rangi           hmm that line is there in the 3.4.4 as well, in etc/koha-httpd.conf
01:51 eythian         wajasu: the modules are defined by where you install zebra to, right?
01:51 eythian         so how could the koha installer change them?
01:51 wajasu          true
01:51 eythian         If I do a dev install, my modules are still in /usr/lib/...
01:53 eythian         it should really be defined by something in /etc that can be overridden on a case-by-case basis
01:55 wajasu          it could only handle that if we put another question in the installer, or assume if i have a different prefix, that it would be consistent.
01:55 eythian         everyone has a different prefix for dev installs
01:56 wajasu          maybe another question in the installer for single and dev installs.
01:56 eythian         or just install your zebra into the system location and have it not be a problem :)
01:56 wajasu          true.
01:57 jcamins_away    @later tell nengard This may sound kind of obvious, but a video on how to change your own password in Koha might not be a bad idea.
01:57 huginn          jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
01:59 wajasu          if my DocumentRoot for opac is /home/koha344/prj/kohaclone/koha-tmpl   will that give them access to intranet-tmpl too?  I'll try.
02:02 eythian         they don't run the files in -tmpl.
02:02 wajasu          oh i see
02:02 wajasu          its the cgi-bin stuff that matters
02:02 eythian         yeah
02:04 wajasu          so the cgi-bin for the intranet is?  .../kohaclone?
02:05 wajasu          i get that the opac is .../kohaclone/opac
02:33 wajasu          trying to access the staff client, but get  Software error: Can't locate DBI.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/koha344/prj/kohaclone /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/share/perl5/site_perl   ...
02:34 jcamins_away    Sounds like you're missing some Perl modules.
02:34 * eythian       still thinks that running Debian would make life so much easier than Arch ;)
02:35 wajasu          its the same user account as my 3.4.4 install, with its ~/.cpan that perlbrew populated.  I have none missing, when i run koha_perl_deps.pl
02:35 jcamins_away    Heh.
02:35 * jcamins_away  agrees.
02:35 jcamins_away    In that case, sounds like you need to add something to PERL5LIB.
02:36 jcamins_away    No idea what.
02:36 wajasu          maybe the PERL5LIB in koha_httpd.conf
02:36 jcamins_away    Just speculating.
02:36 jcamins_away    Yeah, that was my thought.
02:36 wajasu          can i add multiple paths to that
02:36 jcamins_away    I don't know.
02:36 jcamins_away    Probably?
02:36 wahanui         Probably is mate, Im not running the latest version on here.
02:37 eythian         yes
02:37 wajasu          i'll try to add my perlbrew based cpan
02:37 * eythian       pats apt-get on the head. It's a good puppy.
02:38 wajasu          and include the current one so i can get kohaclone/C4
02:41 * jcamins_away  waves to sekjal.
02:42 sekjal          hi, jcamins_away
02:44 jcamins_away    Has anyone ever done an online survey for evaluating Koha?
02:45 jcamins_away    Like, some sort of usability evaluation type thing.
02:50 * jcamins_away  leaves everyone to ponder that thought, and goes to get some sleep.
02:50 jcamins_away    Good night, #koha
02:54 eythian         http://www.flickr.com/photos/volcanologist/5677820110/lightbox/
02:55 rangi           heh
02:55 rangi           http://haveyouseenthisflyer.com/
02:56 rangi           i still like the dog one
02:56 rangi           http://www.neatorama.com/2009/02/19/have-you-seen-this-dog/
04:27 * Oak           waves
04:53 rangi           hey cait
04:53 cait            evening rangi :)
04:54 * rangi         is on the bus home
04:54 * cait          is getting ready for work :)
06:18 liw             rangi, I might be possible to persuade to go to Edinburgh for KohaCon and give a brief talk on... Debian packaging?
06:19 rangi           perfect!
06:20 cait            :)
06:28 alex_a          hello :)
06:58 paul_p          good morning #koha
07:02 francharb       hi #koha
07:55 kf              good morning #koha
07:59 ropuch          hello kf [;
08:00 kf              hi ropuch!
08:00 kf              nice to see you
10:02 reiveune        hello
10:03 kf              hi reiveune
12:11 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6943] Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6943>
12:26 oleonard        Happy Friday #koha
12:33 oleonard        Hello to both paul_p's
12:33 paul_p_         hi oleonard ;-)
12:34 * oleonard      was just testing Bug 5877
12:34 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once
12:34 oleonard        No, not that one.
12:34 oleonard        Bug 5981
12:34 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5981 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , OPAC: Add limits to search history
12:49 kf              happy friday oleonard :)
12:51 * oleonard      could have sworn he fixed Bug 6947 once before
12:51 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6947 minor, P5, ---, ian.walls, NEW , OPAC top-issues doesn't respect item-level itypes
12:53 oleonard        Bug 3459
12:53 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3459 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, topissues doesn't take care of ccode.
12:54 oleonard        Different I guess.
12:56 oleonard        Hm, so Bugzilla now lists rel_2_2, rel_3_0, rel_3_2, rel_3_4, rel_3_6, and Rel_3_8. And now my teeth hurt.
13:01 rh_at_lita      @seen wizzyrea
13:01 huginn          rh_at_lita: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 15 hours, 51 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> the carrying capacity of an unladen african swallow
13:14 * oleonard      wonders how kf managed to collect so much gold
13:20 * oleonard      tries the KOCT in Firefox 7 but it doesn't appear to work
13:20 rh_at_lita      koct?
13:20 oleonard        https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/
13:21 kf              oleonard: gold digger genes?
13:21 kf              oleonard: but it was really hard to get that chocolate fish!
13:25 kf              s/gold digger/something nicer
13:25 kf              s/something nicer/gold miner
13:36 oleonard        KOCT works in FF3.6, but it's really annoying that it doesn't save the patron barcode between transactions
13:37 maximep         oleonard: thanks for the follow-up patch in bug 6945 =)
13:37 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6945 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view
13:37 oleonard        Sure. I liked the idea to add the preview, so I was happy to contribute.
13:47 kf              maximep: was happy to see the budget duplicate feature!
13:47 kf              hope to find time testing it
13:47 kf              lots of libraries have asked me about a feature like that when I was presenting acq
13:47 maximep         cool! :D
13:48 paul_p          oleonard, what do you mean by doesn't appear to work ?
13:49 oleonard        When I enter a patron card and item barcode and click "save" nothing happens.
13:49 oleonard        No message that anything has been added, nothing in the log
13:49 paul_p          mmm... strange works for me (just checked)
13:50 paul_p          I get the "1 row added", "2 rows added" ...
13:50 oleonard        Really? I'll have to check again. It may be a compatibility issue with one of my other addons.
13:50 paul_p          or mac ?
13:50 * oleonard      has a password-manager addon that causes all kinds of trouble
13:53 jcamins         Good morning, #koha
13:57 rhcl_lita       jcamins
14:01 jcamins         rhcl_lita: how's LITA?
14:01 jcamins         (I gather that's where you are?)
14:11 rhcl_lita       yep, at the preconference.  Session discussing cloud (Amazon AWS mostly), workshop on setting up instances and managing machines
14:11 rhcl_lita       discussion of vufind DSpace, etc
14:11 jcamins         AWS is pretty nifty. Learning anything useful?
14:12 rhcl_lita       Yep, I have been intending to setup something on Amazon for a while, and just haven't gotten around to it, but this session is encouraging me to do something.
14:14 jcamins         rhcl_lita: one of the features that I find really intriguing is RDS. Seems like a great way to manage a database.
14:14 rhcl_lita       Presenter just talked about that--does sound good
14:16 jcamins         Also nifty is the fact that they now offer a memcached server.
14:17 rhcl_lita       jineshvaria.s3.amazonaws.com/public/cloudbestpractices-jvaria.pdf
14:21 jcamins         They're up to Firefox 7? That was fast.
14:21 wizzyrea        ^^ this makes me annoyed.
14:21 * oleonard      too
14:23 trea            pushing minor revisions into a product, and giving said product a whole new version number is no bueno.
14:24 oleonard        Reminds me of something, it does.
14:35 nengard         can someone tell me the values that can be found in constrainttype in the reserves table and what they mean?
14:35 * wizzyrea      wishes the kiwis were up, I have a packaging question
14:36 wizzyrea        nengard, sec
14:37 jcamins         wizzyrea: a packaging question? I always find that asking my packaging question of the channel at large is a sure-fire way to realize my question had an obvious answer. ;)
14:37 wizzyrea        more to do with building packages
14:38 maximep         well firefox7 has big memory usage improvements. I don't even remember if ff6 had anything new :S
14:38 wizzyrea        recent benchmarks say that 7 is faster than chrome
14:38 wizzyrea        which would be great, because JEBUS firefox was a dog for a while
14:39 rhcl_lita       any lightning comments on vufind?
14:39 wizzyrea        an old dog. That couldn't see.
14:39 jcamins         wizzyrea: yeah, those are the questions that I always find the answer to immediately after revealing my ignorance.
14:40 maximep         firefox is so much better for my use case of opening hundreds of tabs in tab groups. Chrome couldn't do that
14:40 wizzyrea        speak to me of this "tab groups" feature
14:40 * wizzyrea      is also a zillions of tabs type
14:40 jcamins         maximep: that sounds like something wizzyrea could use.
14:40 sekjal          can anyone here change the maximum attachment size in bugs.k-c.org?
14:40 wizzyrea        ^^ see, they know me ;)
14:40 wizzyrea        gmcharlt might be able to
14:40 wizzyrea        ping gmcharlt
14:41 maximep         for every projct I work on I create a new tab group. This way it's all organized and doesn't need to open all the tabs every time
14:41 jcamins         Grr. I can't find this book.
14:41 sekjal          I want to attach an example for bug 6789 to make it easier to test, but the test by it's nature requires a file larger than the current 1000KB limit
14:41 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6789 minor, P5, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Biblios with many items can result in broken search results links
14:41 maximep         ctrl+shift+e is bery useful =)
14:42 wizzyrea        this seems compelling.
14:42 wizzyrea        sekjal - you could (temporarily) host it elsewhere and post a link?
14:42 wizzyrea        not optimal, but doable
14:43 rhcl_lita       @seen paul_p
14:43 huginn          rhcl_lita: paul_p was last seen in #koha 52 minutes and 31 seconds ago: <paul_p> or mac ?
14:43 wizzyrea        nengard the only constrainttype I'm seeing is 'a'
14:43 paul_p          rhcl_lita, you need me ?
14:43 wizzyrea        and as to what that means... good question
14:44 rhcl_lita       do you have any libraries running vufind (realizing you are a Solr promoter)?  A Bangladesh library is the only one listed running Koha and VUfind.
14:44 rhcl_lita       http://vufind.org/wiki/installation_status
14:45 jcamins         wizzyrea: by the way, what was your packaging question. I probably won't know the answer, but it's possible.
14:46 paul_p          rhcl_lita, nope, we don't have anyone running vufind
14:46 nengard         wizzyrea me too
14:46 nengard         do we know what 'a' is?
14:47 nengard         jcamins video idea added to my listr
14:47 nengard         list
14:47 * oleonard      gives these tab groups things a try
14:47 sekjal          wizzyrea:  done, added link on bug report back to ByWater site
14:49 wizzyrea        sekjal: it at least lets you get the work done :)
14:51 nengard         in the same table (reserves) any idea what goes in notificationdate and reminderdate? it's not when a notice is sent ? cause i just tried that
14:52 oleonard        I don't think those are used nengard
14:52 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6789] Biblios with many items can result in broken search results links <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6789>
14:54 nengard         and finally in that table ? lowestPriority appears to always be 0
14:54 nengard         any idea what it's used for?
14:54 oleonard        Is it for when you "pin" someone at the bottom of the holds list?
14:55 nengard         then wouldn't their priority number show that?
14:55 nengard         let me try
14:56 nengard         oleonard i'm not sure pinning even works
14:56 nengard         fyi
14:57 wizzyrea        certainly the buttons were messed up
14:57 wizzyrea        eythian was supposed to be coming up for a fix for it... I can't remember if that got in
14:57 * wizzyrea      checks
14:57 nengard         the buttons move the person to the bottom but if i add someone else that new person goes below them
14:58 nengard         pinning sounds like the bottom person shoould stay at the bottom
14:58 nengard         anyway that field never changes in the db
14:58 nengard         it's always 0 for me
14:58 nengard         phone call time
15:00 wizzyrea        same for me
15:06 oleonard        Left without saying goodbye!
15:07 wizzyrea        yay reiveune is back!
15:07 reiveune        not for a long time,
15:07 reiveune        :) I'll be back
15:08 reiveune        by
15:10 wizzyrea        oh there we go
15:10 wizzyrea        at least he said goodbye that time.
15:10 wizzyrea        :)
15:12 kf              nengard: I think priority number would now show because it should always resort them to be the last - so changing numbers
15:13 kf              hm scrolling down would be good... *sighs*
15:19 wizzyrea        hi kf :)
15:19 wizzyrea        glad you're back
15:22 Oak             hello #koha
15:22 rhcl_lita       hi hi
15:23 Oak             :) :)
15:24 slef            oh wow. Is my nick feminine, masculine, or neutral?
15:24 Oak             neutral I think
15:24 slef            I didn't pick it. I never even considered this before.
15:24 kf              I know the problem
15:25 wizzyrea        neutral, in both cases.
15:25 wizzyrea        :P
15:25 slef            ok, I've put that in
15:26 * oleonard      pondered for a moment what feminine names start with "O"
15:26 Oak             Olga
15:26 wizzyrea        Olivia
15:26 slef            Odd-job
15:26 wizzyrea        Octavia
15:26 slef            this is always one of two problems I have with gender/participation surveys... I don't really pay much attention to it
15:26 * jcamins       considers his neutral. He could be "Joan Camins." Actually, he keeps on getting e-mails for her.
15:27 slef            jcamins: I keep getting emails for a school near London.
15:27 rhcl_lita       I think slef is masculine - sounds like a Scandinavian mythical character
15:27 oleonard        Oh yeah, I've gotten emails for Orla Leonard
15:28 oleonard        In particular because she puts in my email address when trying to reset her passwords
15:28 kf              marc makes my brain hurt :(
15:28 jcamins         That is not a name I've heard before.
15:28 slef            rhcl_lita: actually, if you want to look at Scandinavians, SLEF is the Swedish Lutheran Evangelical Foundation; and I believe it's a word in Icelandic
15:28 jcamins         kf: as it does to everyone's brain. :(
15:29 slef            jcamins: there's a BBC reporter called Orla Guerin... was in the middle East last I remember
15:30 kf              yeah, but it doesn't help when 3 different fields from union catalog end up in the same marc field :(
15:30 oleonard        Uh oh, Orla hasn't updated her Twitter since August. Maybe because she can't reset her password?
15:30 kf              @marc 581
15:30 huginn          kf: A citation to or information about a publication that is a study or analysis of the described materials. (Repeatable) [a,z,3,6,8]
15:31 kf              jcamins: can you shorten that to a label for me? plz? :)
15:32 kf              jcamins: never mind, I think I found something
15:33 jcamins         kf: I'd have to think about that a bit.
15:34 kf              it's ok :)
15:34 kf              no reason to make your brain hurt - I will ask the library what they want
15:34 jcamins         :)
15:34 wizzyrea        she sends them to your acpl email?
15:34 wizzyrea        or your gmail
15:37 oleonard        gmail
15:37 slef            kf, jcamins: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd5xx.html calls it "Publications About Described Materials Note" - not sure what copyright licence that's under, though.
15:37 jcamins         slef: I think the problem is that it needs a _short_ label.
15:38 slef            like how short?
15:38 slef            Materials Publications Note?
15:38 * oleonard      thinks we need a Tags component for Bugzilla
15:38 slef            trouble is you lose meaning all the while
15:39 jcamins         slef: yeah, that's the problem.
15:39 jcamins         But I think that's the length kf was looking for.
15:40 Oak             give it a nickname
15:41 jcamins         Like "Ben"?
15:41 wizzyrea        "tickles"
15:41 Oak             how about Maria
15:41 Oak             hehe
15:41 Oak             tickles :)
15:43 jcamins         Oy. I have a 10am and a 6:30pm on Monday.
15:43 Oak             good luck!
15:44 jcamins         Oak: they're not daunting meetings, just widely spaced.
15:44 Oak             :) still, a meeting is a meeting
15:45 jcamins         True.
15:46 huginn          New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6716] Database Documentation <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716>
15:47 rhcl_lita       re: VUFind I love the 'text this' option in the catalog.
15:47 rhcl_lita       It saves paper, I don't have to find the scrap of paper I wrote on, and I don't have to wonder if I transposed the call number.
15:48 rhcl_lita       Wonder what that would cost for Koha?
15:49 jcamins         rhcl_lita: talk to sekjal about it. He was working on it.
15:50 sekjal          rhcl_lita:  we're looking at an SMS::Send::Driver-less way of doing SMS in Koha
15:51 sekjal          don't have the estimate yet; it would likely involve us tracking the patron's cell provider
15:51 wizzyrea        what i'm wondering
15:51 wizzyrea        is why don't we use email
15:51 * oleonard      thinks the scrap of paper would be cheaper, but he doesn't have a texting plan
15:51 wizzyrea        to email sms's to phones
15:51 rhcl_lita       why would you have to track the cell provider? Just have a pull down list and let the patron enter the cell phone number
15:51 wizzyrea        put the info in the subject, done.
15:52 wizzyrea        but you'd have to store that, right rhcl?
15:52 wizzyrea        hence, tracking.
15:52 jcamins         sekjal: ooh! I bet you left NYU before they implemented GetIt.
15:52 jcamins         sekjal: one moment while I get you a link.
15:52 sekjal          jcamins:  thanks
15:54 jcamins         Hm.
15:54 * oleonard      realizes if we added a Tags component to Bugzilla there would be no one to be default asignee
15:54 jcamins         This is a bit problematic.
15:54 jcamins         Oh, never mind, here's a short URL.
15:54 jcamins         https://getit.library.nyu.edu/go/2694595
15:54 jcamins         Note the "Send to phone" option on the right.
15:54 rhcl_lita       sekjal:  why store? let the patron enter it, send the sms, then >/dev/null it.
15:55 jcamins         Note that last I heard, the Send to phone service was _incredibly_ popular.
15:55 jcamins         Even without any way to link it to the patron's account.
15:55 sekjal          rhcl_lita:  that wouldn't be so bad; could control with an Auth Value
15:55 rhcl_lita       oops, should have been directed to wizzyrea
15:56 wizzyrea        meh
15:56 kf              rhcl_lita: I think the problem is that someone has to pay for the sms - usually the sender
15:56 wizzyrea        both, usually.
15:56 sekjal          jcamins:  yes, we could do it just like NYU Bobst is doing
15:56 jcamins         kf: in the US, it's possible to send it so that the recipient pays.
15:56 sekjal          their mechanism sends the SMS over email
15:57 jcamins         sekjal: exactly. It's really cool.
15:57 sekjal          that's why you need to know the provider, so you know the email domain
15:57 rhcl_lita       kf: humm, can't be nearly what ILL costs us.  And you could always email to sms via a gateway
15:57 wizzyrea        idk why we don't just do emails in the first place.
15:58 kf              rhcl_lita: not sure if things are different here
15:58 kf              rhcl_lita: I only know of one ils here that can send sms and it requires you to buy 'batches' of sms, like buy 10000 text messages to be sent out
15:58 kf              from a provider
15:58 rhcl_lita       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SMS_gateways
15:58 kf              at least it was like that when I asked a few years back on library congress
16:00 sekjal          brb
16:00 rhcl_lita       donno, seems pretty simple to me. Just get the input phone and service, pipe that into a script which creates an email and send.
16:02 kf              rhcl_lita: you might be right - would be very cool
16:12 slef            oh hell it's mailman day
16:17 rhcl_lita       time for chow @ the hyatt
16:20 oleonard        paul_p still around?
16:22 oleonard        Or anyone who is familiar with the offline circ tool?
16:22 * oleonard      is wondering about the buttons which say "Commit to Koha" and "Apply directly"...
16:22 jcamins         Argh! When did Portrayed become Depicted?
16:23 wizzyrea        oleonard the firefox addon?
16:23 oleonard        Yeah
16:23 * wizzyrea      has it installed
16:23 wizzyrea        where do you see that?
16:24 oleonard        The Log tab
16:27 oleonard        Where does it save the data?
16:28 wizzyrea        that is a very good question.
16:37 Oak             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Offline_circulation_firefox_plugin
16:39 oleonard        Yeah, that page shows a screenshot of a page in Koha which isn't actually in Koha as far as I can tell.
16:39 oleonard        "Process pending offline circulations?"
16:41 maximep         there's a ff plugin to do offline circ ? cool
16:41 maximep         no link to it on that wiki page ?
16:42 wizzyrea        it's called KOCT
16:42 wizzyrea        it's in the firefox plugin repository
16:42 oleonard        Cool except it doesn't seem to work maximep
16:42 jcamins         Koha Offline Circulation Tool?
16:42 jcamins         (guessing what the acronym is)
16:42 oleonard        Koha Offline Circulation Tool is https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/
16:42 jcamins         Ah, cool, I was right. :)
16:48 oleonard        Koha Offline Circulation Tool?
16:48 wahanui         Koha Offline Circulation Tool is https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/
16:48 oleonard        KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool
16:48 oleonard        KOCT?
16:48 wahanui         KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool
17:32 jcamins         nengard_lunch: cn_sort is a normalized form of the itemcallnumber used for sorting.
17:34 nengard_lunch   thanks
17:34 nengard_lunch   i'll add it
17:36 jcamins         You're welcome. Enjoy lunch.
17:39 slef            KOCT is also https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/koct/
17:39 wahanui         okay, slef.
17:43 cait            hi #koha
17:43 slef            hi cait
17:44 cait            hi slef :)
17:44 * slef          prods this migrating Koha
17:46 cait            ?
17:47 slef            it's being a bit slow.... it's only 6kbiblios
17:51 cait            not a lot
17:51 cait            should load quickly?
17:51 slef            yeah... I think I can see why they want a new server!
17:51 slef            this is getting the data out which is being slow
18:05 * oleonard-away idly wonders whether slef has ever been identified as S. Lef.
18:06 slef            oleonard: NAFAIK
18:06 * cait          wears her feminine nick tonight
18:30 oleonard        I might be nice to have a database update log for keeping track of what updates have been applied via updatedatabase.pl
18:31 cait            hm, would not be hard probably?
18:32 oleonard        It would be relevant to only a small subset of users, but useful for developers and testers
18:32 cait            yes
18:45 slef            oleonard: like a table listing all update UUIDs, with updates just being SQL files added to a directory and maybe a tracking file.
18:50 maximep         how do I make translatable strings in a .pl ?
18:50 maximep         is there a way ?
18:50 maximep         there's so many strings not translated that are in .pl files :/
18:50 oleonard        Move them to the template
18:53 cait            yep
18:53 cait            maximep: all that should be in templates, not in the pl files
18:54 maximep         C4::Letters::EnqueurLetter takes a parameter with the title and content of the message
18:54 maximep         I don't know how I could pu that in a template
18:55 cait            hm
18:55 cait            notices
18:55 cait            normally it should be a template from tools > notices
18:55 cait            that defines the subject and content
18:55 oleonard        maximep: Consider filing a bug, "Move untranslatable strings into templates" and then create blocking bugs for each instance
18:55 cait            are we talking about the address change mail?
18:56 maximep         cait: ah, I see
18:56 maximep         yeah I remember using that
19:00 maximep         I have never sent a patch with a database change (well, adding a new line in the letter table in this case) before
19:00 maximep         is there something on a wiki on this ?
19:01 cait            there is
19:01 cait            let me get the link for you
19:01 cait            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Tutorial_for_Updating_Database_Files
19:02 cait            what you have to do
19:03 cait            create a patch with kohastructure.sql changed
19:03 cait            and updatedatabase.pl with a new entry
19:03 cait            leave version number at XXX in updatedatabase
19:03 cait            for testing your patch yourself, change the xxx to be the next number and change kohversion.pl (I think) accordingly
19:04 cait            when starting your koha it will compare the number from kohaversion to the number in your database and start the update
19:04 * cait          hopes she explained that right
19:07 maximep         yes you did
19:07 maximep         ok, then I will send a patch soon
19:07 maximep         or maybe several patches
19:08 maximep         just looked at that wiki page. You were a *lot* clearer than it lol
19:09 cait            I tried :)
19:09 cait            looked at it myself and decided I should try..,
19:10 cait            what you can also do is find a nice easy patch to copy from - like a new syspref being added
19:10 cait            to see which files have to be touched
19:18 * slef          curses ISBD principles and all who sail in them.
19:18 jcamins         slef: are they so bad as all that?
19:18 slef            jcamins: yeah when people follow 95% of them.
19:19 slef            they're just enough to cause trouble
19:20 jcamins         Heh.
19:20 slef            "Why haven't you converted these records correctly? We used ISBD punctuation rules." "Not on that one you didn't" "Oh"
19:24 cait            lol
19:25 cait            so give them a list to correct manually?
19:25 slef            yeah... 5% of 6k is 300...
19:25 jcamins         Pfft.
19:25 slef            I'll give them a list. Doubt they'll correct them.
19:26 * slef          leaves the import churning
19:28 wizzyrea        does anybody know what the standard field for fines data is in SIP
19:28 wizzyrea        it needs to be added to the output, apparently
19:29 wizzyrea        (and yea, I know it puts fine data in the screen note - that's not the right place)
19:29 wizzyrea        patron expiry, for the record, is in the wrong place as well.
19:29 wizzyrea        (also in the screen note)
19:32 cait            you mean the date?
19:32 cait            and the fine amount?
19:34 wizzyrea        yea
19:35 sekjal          wizzyrea:  do you mean fee paid messaging?
19:41 wizzyrea        as an example
19:45 pastebot        "wizzyrea" at pasted "SIP response example" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/65
19:45 wizzyrea        that Patron owes $10.00
19:45 wizzyrea        there's supposedly a field for the $10
19:46 wizzyrea        so in envisionware
19:46 wizzyrea        they have a rule you can make
19:46 wizzyrea        fine owed equals
19:46 wizzyrea        | greater than | less than
19:46 wizzyrea        but that won't work
19:46 cait            hm there is field with 10.00 in it
19:46 wizzyrea        because the data isn't in the field EW is looking for
19:46 cait            y|BLY|CQN|BV10.00|CC10|
19:47 wizzyrea        cait++
19:47 * wizzyrea      missed that
19:47 * wizzyrea      tries the rule again
19:47 wizzyrea        i will laugh so. very. hard. if this works.
19:48 oleonard        Happy weekend all
19:48 cait            bye owen
19:48 cait            wow, I managed to say bye to owen before he left!
19:48 * cait          tries again
19:48 cait            have a nice weekend oleonard
19:48 cait            ok, now the world is back to normal :)
19:49 wizzyrea        can I kiss you if this works, cait?
19:49 cait            um
19:49 cait            k?
19:53 * wizzyrea      kisses cait
19:53 * cait          blushes
19:53 * wizzyrea      bounces and squees
19:53 wizzyrea        you know that feeling, when someone gets huffy with you and you know you tested it, and it worked the last time
19:53 wizzyrea        and you think that you did it wrong or something, but it turns out you didn't
19:54 rangi           no you can go
19:54 wizzyrea        and you were right all along?
19:54 rangi           "IN YOUR FACE!!!"
19:54 wizzyrea        yes. That.
19:54 rangi           yep i know that well
19:54 rangi           :)
19:54 cait            of course
19:54 cait            now you are showing up
19:54 wizzyrea        thanks cait :)
19:54 cait            when all the work is done :)
19:54 cait            yvw liz :)
19:55 wizzyrea        cait++ for her usual brilliance
19:55 cait            hmpf
20:02 wizzyrea        so, just in case you are wondering
20:02 wizzyrea        for envisionware
20:02 wizzyrea        http://screencast.com/t/yRm9nsmA
20:03 wizzyrea        that's how you set up rules for patron expired, and block over x fines owed
20:47 rhcl_lita       koha in the cloud mentioned @lita - twittag #libcloud
20:51 jcamins         rhcl_lita: wave to Heather Moulaison for me. :)
20:52 rhcl_lita       yea, ok.
20:52 jcamins         Thanks.
20:52 jcamins         Oh, Edward's the other speaker?
20:52 jcamins         Wave to him, too.
20:53 rhcl_lita       Huh, OK.
20:54 jcamins         Thanks. :)
20:54 rhcl_lita       they will know you by name presumably?
20:54 jcamins         Yup.
20:54 cait            wizzyrea++ :)
20:54 cait            good night all!
20:55 jcamins         Good night.
20:55 wizzyrea        cait is sneaky
20:55 wizzyrea        gnite :)
20:55 jcamins         It's always exciting to discover that I know the speakers at conferences. :)
20:56 rhcl_lita       u should be her
20:56 rhcl_lita       here
20:56 jcamins         I'm getting out of technology. Didn't you know that? :P
20:57 rhcl_lita       well, no, I guess I didn't
20:57 * jcamins       waits for the laughter to die down. ;)
20:59 rhcl_lita       who knows, you might want to go meditate in a Buddhist monastary in nepal for a few years. It happens.
20:59 jcamins         rhcl_lita: that does sound tempting...
21:00 rhcl_lita       I hear the chow isn't that great.
21:01 jcamins         rhcl_lita: yeah, but are you distracted by the thought of buying real estate?
21:02 rhcl_lita       ? non sequitur?
21:02 rhcl_lita       session over, gotta move...
21:02 jcamins         rhcl_lita: yeah, I just happen to be distracted by the thought of buying real estate. Enjoy the rest of LITA. :)
21:22 rhcl_lita       jcamins: both presenters pleased to hear from you; returned greeting
21:23 jcamins         rhcl_lita: thanks. :)